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Jeff Grubb and with me is Mike Manatti. In today's episode, people
seem to like that their final Fantasy seven rebirth. We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about some news a whole bunch more, But first, Mike,
how are you doing? Good? Good? A guy on nappy nap.
It's kind of fun. It's been a long time since I kind of I
don't want to use the crunch word, but you know what I mean.
Did you did a sprint? I did a sprint. Iked really hard,
making sure I can beat a very big game in time for the embargo.
Man, that's hard. I'm alwayst like shocked when I wake up and then
like I see a metric one hundred reviews, I'm like, man, how
did you all messed to do that? Because it was very hard for me
and I don't have things like children or like what so what I think the
big difference is that a lot of other people seem to maybe do even more
of a mainline path than you did. And I say even more as if
you did like a very mainly you like played a lot of these side quest
until I did take the very end I was. I was doing everything until
basically two days ago, and I kind of looked at the clock here and
I talked to Sean, who did be to get a sense how far away
I was, and I was going, oh right, we got to kind
of get through this a little bit now. Yeah, so uh, but
yeah, it was really worth it. You know a lot of times,
I'm just I'm not that worried about reaching the embargo, but I kind of
kind of felt a connection to this game immediately, so I wanted to I
wanted to do it. I wanted to be there. I am. I'm
excited. So many people seem to be into this game. It is the
kind of thing where a big game like this comes along, it could easily
disappoint people, and there's some of that going around, but I think actually,
once most people are playing the game, most of that stuff seems like
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So thank you everybody out there. Yeah, I mean, let's get the
big topics of the week, and the biggest one is going to be Final
Fantasy seven rebirth across the boards. So someone who hasn't spent much time with
it, really any time with it, I've been focusing on like a dragon
when I wake up and then I see the reviews and I see, Okay,
it's got a ninety three. That's a really hard score to get on
Metacritic. Like this is like the base level, like video game reaction stuff,
where I'm like, okay, I see the Metacritic. I'm going to
look at some of these headlines and then I'll start reading some of the reviews.
I'll start looking at some bottom scores on Metacritic. I was surprised that,
like the bulk of the bottom scores was a very small fraction, and
they were eighties. They weren't like seventies and sixties. There was no like
three thrown in there out of nowhere. Sometimes happens as happens with like a
Breath of the Wild or something like that. You'll see a couple like sixties
and sevens in there spicing things up. Everyone seems to think this is a
very good and fun video game to play. Your response to it, Mike,
was, it's fantastic, is that right? This? Yeah, this
is top of the line stuff for me. It's special for me because you
know, I love Final Fantasy, and I just never thought we would actually
get a new Final Fantasy game like this again, one that was sort of
spread out across this big world with all this extra stuff to do, with
this much content in this destiny. All the other recent single player Final Fantasies
have had to make a lot of compromises to still sort of maintain that triple
A presentation. That kind of goes hand in hand with being a Final Fantasy,
right. Thirteen very linear, like like no real Talents, the Real
Exploration fifteen. It's okay, it's an open world, it's not a huge
one. You can only play as one character, and there's there's kind of
no Act three because they ran out of money, right you know, sixteen
kinds of constant with the other things, just not a whole lot of actual
content there. You play as one character, even though I'm seven remake.
You know, it's like in one city, there's not a whole lot of
like exploration there. And this is like the first fan fantasy that is like
those PS one games again where it's just wow, there is a lot to
do. Even though it's technically just a third of one of those PS one
games. They expand stuff, so it still feels like this massive venture.
I mean, you know, Original fifty seven took me thirty hours to beat.
This one took me seventy just to beat part two here, And I
know I've see some people like some of like the complaints, and again,
like the complaints are from people who still like really like this type, so
it's not like yeah, but like, oh it's kind of stretched out a
little bit. I really like that stretching out. That sounds gross, but
I do, you're filthy, I know, I though, But like I
love that things get to be expanded upon. I love that characters like Kate
Sith, you know, they're there and in the Result Fantasy seven they have
some stuff, have a lot more to do here. There's a lot more
character development, there's a lot more new characters getting developed. Still, locations
that you spend like ten seconds in in the original, like Costa del Soul
have a ton going on there. So yeah, I think that's a big
part of me is I'm actually just stunned to get a Final Fantasy and you
like this again well, because I mean, I think you are right to
point out that that is stunning. That is something that kind of feels like
a byproduct of game development gone by, where you can get all of this
variety, all of this extra stuff in there and it can be big and
expansive because they were working on a two D plane with sprites that had seven
different phrasing animation. Yeah, exactly right, And it's like they could reuse
taile sets and stuff like that, and obviously they find ways to do that
a little bit, but you can only do so much of that when you
are working in a four K world and so and then creating four K assets
requires so much more time and effort. I think that that has always been
the most exciting thing about the prospect of a Final Fantasy seven remake. It
is like, hey, they believe in this, they know fans want this,
so they can kind of go all out and it sounds like from what
everyone has said about this game, they definitely went all out kind of no
holds barred, and I think that's really I mean, we don't get that
from very many games, so the fact that we are getting it from this
is very exciting. And even if it's like sort of almost the exception that
proves the rule that these kinds of games aren't really possible in a lot of
other ways, because like even Square INNX won't do this for Final Fantasy seven
team. We kind of talked about this on BCR today over on Giant bumb
where it's like Square Innox is going to keep making a bunch of these like
this. This is like the one where they're going to be able to get
away with it, and they are getting away with it, and that's nice.
Now you mentioned some of the complaints. What are the complaints that you
see out there that that surprise you, and like what would you kind of
why didn't they bother you? Or did they bother you? Yeah? Very
few of them did, Like you know, some people, you know,
I love how many mini games there are, and again that harkens back to
original File Fantasy seven and there's even more here honestly, even though a few
of them are missing from the original here because I presume they're sitting them for
the part three. There's other new stuff here, like Queen's Blood, that
incredible new card game that is super fun, maybe even better than Triple Triad,
which is which is kind of nuts. Sometimes they make you play the
minigame and like, I don't like. That didn't even occur to me as
a problem. I was doing it because I was just I don't know,
I was just fully on board with that. But I seeing a few people
say, oh, I don't like, like, oh, the pacing is
killed, and like, yeah, sometimes the story reason for why you're doing
one of these mini games is very dumb, and it makes those sense and
I kind of don't care. Yeah, I mean, let's let's let's be
clear. Like, for as long as I've known you, you are someone
who said I don't mind grinding because that's part of the game and I like
playing in the game. And I will say that comes to mind because I've
been playing like a Dragon and I'm in a section where I'm like going through
a dungeon and just the grind levels, and I'm having a pretty good time.
Because it's just the game, and I like playing the game, Like
go ahead on, Mike Manatti sometimes knows what he's talking about as I'm playing
that to hear that. The way Final Fantasy seven elongates all this stuff is
by giving you all these different options in mini games that also are ways for
you to gain XP. That sounds like an improvement to me. I don't
know, I have to play it myself, but the way you've described it
sounds very promising to me. Right, It's like it's sead of like grinding
in that oh, just going to run around the open world for a while,
Like well, now this is when you do those kind of open world
map icon missions and things like that, and like some of them are really
long side quest chains that give you a ton of other awards, including sort
of affinity with your party members and materia and this other currency that helps you
unlock some of those Team centergy moves. So it's just a very good loop.
And at the very core again the game here is that combat system from
Fantasy seven remake, which is the best, like the best combat system the
way that it manages to both feel like an action RPG but still have that
turn based element because of the way you charge your ATB meter and then issue
commands. It's incredible. I love it. And now you have all these
new characters here that add a lot of different spice to it. And all
these characters are a ton of fun to play, and you get a chance
to see all of them shine. We did talk about a lot about this
game earlier today, so I don't know how much you want to repeat all
that stuff. But in terms of the stuff where you know, we talked
to Tam, we talked to Sean. They had some issues with the ending.
I'll say it a million times, probably while we're having this conversation.
We can't talk about specifics in Bargoed, so don't worry about that. We
are not going to be spoiling anything pretty much, but especially not the ending.
I get the sense that that stuff mostly worked for you. Do you
if when people say, well, that's because you're a Kingdom Arts fan,
do you think that's the case or what I mean? Look, I don't
necessarily love it when Kingdom Hearts gets it's most Kingdom Hearts like it does this
day, and it's like I don't want people can maybe read into a million
ways, you know, I've seen a few people say, oh, that
ending, I don't know, it's excessive, right, and that is very
much a style of I don't mean to like pin it all on no more
specifically, but games made from that man's team definitely have excess Like Kingdom Hearts
three was a very excessive way to put it. Yeah, right, right,
and like it bothered me more Kingdom Hearts three in a lot of ways,
and the ending is maybe indulgence and excessive. And you know, if
you're reading it to how you think, I'm like telling you what the ending
means, you don't just wait till you see it. I don't know.
It wasn't anything that really shocked me necessarily, and I'm kind of so well,
I guess we have to see how this plays out in part three,
because there is a part three, and I still don't really know where it's
all going. So I don't want to say I was surprised that, like
a lot of people seemed like like that was kind of like the main takeaway,
and that happens. That's the thing with endings, right, is that
that is the last impression you get of a game. Yeah, and they
can really kind of clarise with things for you. So if you're not feeling
that ending, it kind of can be this sort of weird final note to
end this sixty seventy hour experience on But nah, I was was fine with
it, and to be clear, lots of stuff about it that I really
like, specific about the boss fights, a lot of stuff about the ending
that you like, right yeah, because the boss fights themselves at the final
few really cool, awesome, awesome stuff and some very good beats also,
So I just want to say that, like because I'm gonna try to come
out like like I don't want to like fight with people who don't like the
ending. That's fine, But because I had a little bit of this where
I was hearing from some of my peers about that and I was kind of
dreading it. Its like, oh no, because I'm really loving this game,
and then at the end, I'm gonna like turn on it or get
bummed out that didn't happen to me. I don't think that's gonna happen too
necessarily a lot of people. So I don't want other people to kind of
worry about that. I guess while they're playing a game like look like having
some kind of sets of dread about the ending a couple more things, and
then I might look through some of these super chats that are about Final Fantasy
seven. We've got a lot of a lot coming in, so if anyone
wants to ask a question, the super chats is the best way to ensure
that your question gets asked. I think there's a lot of people who are
going to look at this game, see the buzz and have actually missed most
Final Fantasy seven content, whether it was the original game or remake. Will
they be able to jump into this game the way that Square Enix suggests,
is possible that this is a standalone game, not in the way that they
suggest where it's totally fine to just start here, like there is a recap
video that's pretty good, and yeah, you can read your own stuff whatever,
and you'll probably be fine. I think, in an even slightly ideal
world, what you do at least play Final Fantasy seven or remake, which
isn't nearly as long a game as this anyway, Yeah, I mean it
is. It is really weird, Jeff, and I understand, like,
I get why they're making that a big marketing beat, because they probably are
really worried because it is such a direct sequel. But yeah, again,
in an ideal world where we all have if at time, I'm like,
you should probably play the original or at least like become familiar with that.
I don't know how much other people are excited about playing PS one RPG's like
I am, and you really should play remake. Also, maybe Integrated.
I didn't get to play Integrate. That didn't really bother me. I just
read a story synopsis of that. That's like that UFI d NC that we
got that I always meant to get around to. And then is intermission The
thing with UPI and Integrate is the name of the yeah game story, Yeah,
exactly, Okay, Yeah, I always complained it, so I get
it back similar words. Yeah. Yes. The other thing, I am
someone who likes games to be pretty stupid, I think from the outside,
I look at him, I look at this game. I'm like, hey,
it looks like it might be taking it stuff pretty seriously. That's fine.
Games are allowed to do. That Is that the case? This game
is very stupid? Like hell yeah, just and I think that's part of
you know, so Dan Record's liking this game a lot, and which is
a little surprising me. But hearing about why he likes like a dragon infinite
wealth. I think a lot of that stuff you like there is going to
translate here. This is a game that can be very goofy and very silly.
I'm not necessarily somebody who's laughing out loud at my video games. There
were parts there that were just so ridiculous and funny that I was absolutely chuckling
and just laughing to myself. And you know, me and Penny are having
a good time over there, you know, I mean, right, And
like maybe that comes at the expense of it. Was something else Tam said
during the thing, where like, oh, video game storywriting has gotten more
sophisticated than back in the day when we did have kind of like silly,
goofy minigames, stoppy things and not a man paying words into his mouth there.
And I'm not trying to like make it like I'm not trying to put
Tam on trial here. For give you the game an eight that's insane a
part of it, and now again I have more me I've gotta like,
ah good, I'm glad that it's not as sophisticated as may be a Final
Fantasy sixteen or a lot of like, you know, again not to put
the PlayStation games under fire, but like you know that, like sixteen definitely
felt a little bit more like, oh, we'll get be one of those
you know, all that game of frozization that was in the pjuiciness that they're
going for. Yeah, right, that seems to be the goal of a
lot of those games, and this game doesn't seem like it's trying to fall
into that pitfall. Yeah yeah, you know, so I'm is it really
stupid? Like their plot at one point to like, hey, we need
to talk to this person and figure out what he's doing. Uh, why
don't we'll do that by dressing up as soldiers and going into a parade and
then we'll get an award from him. And it's like it's real stupid.
And when the plan works, they're like, oh no, now we have
to go talk to him in front of everybody. But you get to do
this awesome minigame. And again some people are like I don't want to be
forced to play this video game. But the MIDI game is so stupid and
fun. It is so goofy. It is such a silly, silly on
time. All right, A lot of questions came in about Final Fantasy.
Let's get to some of these. Jacob Bench, who is sending his twentieth
of super chat Jay Bench, thank you so much. Man, Hey dogs.
How big are the open zones in Rebirth? And does it feel worth
it to go off the beaten path and explore? I can't wait for Thursday.
There is a ton a ton of real estate in this game. I
get you. The open zones is pretty big, and there's like several of
them, so there's a lot to export. Now, when I say like
explore a lot of it is kind of more going to like a point in
your map, like going to those towers so you really know where you go.
It is more making the way point to the important thing and less like
at tiers of the key of like I'm going to just go in this direction
and see what I find. You'll find some stuff still, for sure,
but it is it is more of a this is the word you're going to
traverse around to go these different sign missions and things like that. Oh,
let's see. Feel free to just answer this with a one word response or
a boiler plate response. Nick asks, did cephrov do the thing? Yes?
Yes, cephrof does called cloud a puppy. Adam Gesz says, just
stick Final Fantasy seven rebirth in my veins. Already you this was your most
anticipated game, right, were you like of the year? Were you like
very happy to get in there? And it lived up to the to the
expectations, exceeded expectations. It is a stupid thing to say in February,
but the first two months of this year have been so ridiculous that it is
worth saying that this is my favorite game of the year so far. And
I think of all the games with the words Final Fantasy seven in the title,
this is the best one. Another really weird thing to say, encompasses.
It's a lot of videos. I get what you're saying, weird.
It's a better the dish of you saying surper surch of surprise. They're just
they're just surpres was my me and my buddy's code word for a long time
when we thought party was layman wanted to leave. People like Dirge Cerberus.
Yeah, we would just bring bring up Dirgi Cerberus and then we know that
I here, that's that's incredible. And Panada Eater says, I always meant
to play o G. Final Fantasy seven and after loving remake and just never
did. But listening to Mike and Sean on today's BombCast re Vengeance convinced me
to get get it on switch and try to beat it before rebirth next week.
Thanks what wait? Wait? Wait? What? No? I don't
play the original seven. That's crazy. Really, that is such a huge
game. He's so like old thirty hours. It's not as big as you're
thinking. Yeah, it's fine game. It is a very good game.
It's very old though, Like, I can't play it. Your final fantasy
opinions are not welcome here. I can't play. I tried to play a
couple of times, I guess. I was like, oh, I can't
rush it you. I don't have time. I don't have patience anymore.
Oh no, I can't kick them from the call because he's recording this form
me too. Oh my god, these children, Oh my god. That's
where we're at, where people are like, I won't play a placeation one.
Oh no, Hey, did you see my slack message? I hope
you dad, it's a it's a good one. All right, let's see.
Wait did we do we answer that? I can't remember. Oh that
was the question. It was just like, thanks about playing og Fantasy seven.
Yeah, you're welcome. I mean, listen, that's a good way
to play. It's got the fast forward button and stuff like that, so
hey, you'll have a fun time. That's a good video game. Still.
Oh let's see here. Uh, this one's tangentially related. Big Jambo
Ryan says, Mike Death is Stranding is clearly the best PS five game now.
I think this is a response to when we were saying Ratchet and Clink
was the best PS five game, But do you have a new best PS
five game now? Ooh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty safe.
Yeah. I mean, look, I think maybe Ratchet and Clake is
maybe there's there's something still very different but very different games. It is weird.
Yeah, it may be more impressive technically in a lot of ways still
because this is still such a big game. That's that sometimes there's a little
jake not glitches, very unglitchy game for how big it is, but like
a specimage of Jink here and there, and Ratchet Quake Grit the Parts one
of the unjinkiest games you could ever play. Uh. Derachi says, and
I feel like the answer to some of these questions is gonna be yes.
Yeah, but does Final Fantasy seven Rebirth have don Doko Island or Sujimon League
or the diaper Guy? Didn't think so there's a diaper guy. Isn't there
a diaper guy? Yeah? If you play the OG, you know about
Dio. Dio is ridiculous. In this game. There are so many minigames,
and some of them are just absolutely surprising and wild what they are.
I don't want to spoil all of them, and some of them are really
in depth. And you know, I think people heard about Queens by which
I talked about that new card game. It really is so much fun.
You get access to that immediately, and it starts off so simple, and
then as you kind of like get more cards, you get build decks.
You can build different kind of decks, or you can kind of just stick
with like a base deck. Like I had a pretty simple buff deck that
I used throughout the entire game. Works fine, but there were opponents who
were using weird decks that were destroying friendly cards to buff their other cards.
I will like get into the whole thing of how it works. It'll sound
more complicated than it is, but it was kind of a bold thing because
we had Triple try it if I'm SC eight, which was incredible, and
then if obviously nine had Tetra Master, like we can make a new one
and it did not work. So ever since then, whenever they need a
card game, they just bring back Triple Try it and we're usually pretty happy
about it. So the fact that they were like, now we're going to
try again and it actually really works here, that's pretty cool. Uh.
Let's see Jacksontention says, I'm going to have time to finish remake and uv
DLC by rebirth release. Am I going to be prepared? Or do I
need to play the og slash Crisis Core et cetera? Uh? I mean
Crisis Core isn't like supermandatory like for stuff like that, like seriously like og
A crisis Core or weird things like ever crisis like go find if you want
to just go find a good YouTube video. It's going to wrap that stuff
up. You be fine. But definitely the most important thing here is to
have played Final Fantasy seven remake. Oh, let's seem to make sure I
mark that one so I know which ones I have answered? Uh? Big
Jimbo Ryan is back and I lost track of that there it is, Uh,
I like you, that's that's unrelated. So we'll go to this one.
Big Fresh thirty seven is rebirth worth buying if I don't like Final Fantasy
seven, but I do like Tifa's breasts. Tifa's breasts are very good in
this video game. I just want to make sure we got a clean reader,
right, Okay, thank you, got it? Got it? Okay,
cool, cut it, cut it and get it up on the soundboard
it. Uh yeah, I hey, I saw some screenshots looking pretty good
over there. You know, you know what. Every character in this game
is looking very very good. I'll say that, yeah, I mean yeah,
yeah, Like the beachy inter swimsuit. It was kind of like the
uh like the Ace venture a pet detecta thing right, was like, you
know a little bit. Uh. Power Glover says, that's a good name,
especially if your name is Glover. Power Glover says, how many zippers
and or straps do these fucking people wear in this video game? Rufus Shinro
really goes wild and remake love you guys and wolf Fluff will Fluff Power Glover.
Well, I will say, you know, Kate Sif'smoughle pet has like
that big zipper on the back because it's supposed to kind of look like a
costume. So that's this that's the only zipper I really seasons. You're looking
at that guy's back quite a bit. Oh see, where's that one?
Uh? Oh? Brian Corlis says with the with this release, is Japan
back on top as being the kings of gaming, Capcom, Nintendo, Square,
Sega, et cetera, all putting out bangers persistently. I think so.
Yeah. I think that the companies that have finally figured that out,
and a lot of it is the one that never really gave up even when
they struggled, like a like a Konami and a Square Enix or a Sega,
and they had their struggles. Capcom also had its struggles, and you
know, like they didn't just kind of give up like a Konami did for
a while. And now Kadambi is hoping that they could sort of just jump
back in like they never left, and we'll see how that goes. But
I think the persistence for a lot of these bigger studios that have stuck it
out, saying with the Vandy namcos is really paying off. Yeah, it
was just like there was a period there where there's a little bit of headaches
for Japanese developers where they were just not sharing like their lessons quite as much
as like was happening in like the West with GDC, and Japan was not
quite as president for that. So like switching over to HD gaming caught them
by surprise, got very expensive, and it scared off some companies and there
was like a lot of developers looking around going like, wait, we are
you guys still serious about this? They figured it out actually pretty quickly,
and they have consistently been making the best games for quite some time now.
I think from Soft really has been the like the leader there. But then
when you put we list, Capcom, Nintendo, Square Sega kind of all
continuing to figure out more and more each and every day. That's yeah,
definitely impressive. And like, I don't think I don't feel that way about
American studios right now. It's like there's a handful that have some good games
coming out, have good track records, but a lot of them are also
like hey, Bethesda, they seem lost at sea right now. I mean
Europe, it would be Soft there seem to be and you know, obviously
they're all still making some good games, also having some pretty big struggles lately.
I mean, people aren't people don't even really have the energy to clown
on skull and Bones, Jeff. That yeah came out, and at least
with suicide Squads, like there's some energy to beat the risk of like the
rubout it or whatever it's calling Billons. Everyone's just like I don't even want
it. Yeah, We're just gonna go play hell Divers and not even engage
with this. And that's yeah, there's there, all right, CJ.
How long till this didn't meet squares expectations? We've talked about Final Fantasy seven
remixed sales in the past five million, probably a little underwhelming in terms of
what Square wanted, although I don't think they ever said so. I'm sure
it has sold better since then, especially coming to PC and going on sale
a bunch of times and having Integrate. I'm sure it got up quite quite
a bit higher. It feels like Rebirth should be doing much better than that,
right, I mean it feels like it. The one that throws me
off is like, to me, it's like, man, how many people
are going to buy this who didn't buy remake? Which is there maybe seven
million people. Well, I mean to be fair, now, at this
point, remake has like been in probably like PlayStation plus yeah for a long
time and stuff. You know, that wouldn't count towards those sales. So
hopefully a lot of people have played that game. Yeah, but you know,
hey, there will be people do especially Metacritic doesn't necessarily always have an
impact on sales. I do think once you get to ninety and higher that
has to have some kind of impact that makes people. I mean, that
was kind of my boulders Gate three point. That was the game I thought
I wasn't going to play until its medicric score was like in the nineties.
And that's like, well, I guess I do need to actually pay attention
a bit. I think that's right. All right, So we've read that
one resrected the uncharitye Wolf. Is there a trophy for beating the game on
hard? You know what, I'm curious. I'm not sure. I hope
not, because there is so much to do here. There's a great in
game system for kind of one hundred percent of the game, beyond trophies that
frankly I would care more about anyways, And I'm so curious to see what
that reward is, because I think that was the thing in the last game.
I do hate that, where like maybe I do want to get a
platinum, so I'm playing game and I'm doing all this stuff, and then
I find out to get a plat to I have to play the whole game
again on hard not because I might play on hard mode. I just don't
really want to play the whole game again right now. I'm not sure.
It's definitely stuff like that that broke me on achievements and trophies, Like,
no, that's completely the opposite of how I want to engage with these games.
Give me a leader board and I'll play with that instead. And then
Kurt Pyres says, Mike, your positivity about this game has got me,
somehow even more excited. Where did you end up landing on Final Fantasy sixteen?
Yeah, you know what, I still never really kind of went back
to I never beat it, though, And when I went back to a
during the holidays, that session was a little rough because I was like,
I guess I gotta do some of these side missions. Side missions in that
game are not very good. Fall Fantasy sixteen is not a bad game.
I think it's a lot about that's fun. But again, that's what I
was talking about. They had to make kind of a lot of compromises to
make this sort of big, expensive looking game in terms of the actual scope
of the gameplay, the characters and the world. Yeah, like these really
awesome boss fights and these really high moments and things like that. Another thing
too, And this was kind of my worry from the beginning, and I
even like tried to I was in denial about it. The Game of Thrones,
this of it. Do not care for it. I don't. It
takes itself very seriously and everything is kind of a bit drab and dreary looking,
you know that kind of like that kind of medieval you could smell the
peasants from here aesthetic, Jeff, just not necessarily my thing. I still
do need to go and bef on business and have like a real in a
better informed opinion on it. But like, look, obviously I did it,
absolutely love it all right, would have beaten it by now clearly,
yes. And I mean it's a very good game for about the first five
to ten hours, I think, and then after that it's like, oh,
maybe this is wearing out. It's welcome I think that's what Final Fantasy
sixteen is. There's something there. It's just not a well seen out game
in terms of the doll for seeing out what they what they had and making
it fun the entire time, at least in my opinion. All Right,
that does it for the super chets that our Final Fantasy related. Let's get
to some of these other topics. If anyone else has any other Final Fantasy
seven rebirth questions, though Mike's going to be here the entire time, feel
free to throw them at him as now, oh shit, oh god,
leave me here. No, that Xbox stuff happened. That's my next thing
here before games, it's the four games everyone said they were going to be
a high fi rush, Grounded, Sea of Thieves, and Pentiment. Two
of those were announced at the Nintendo direct that we talked about on nintend Dogs
yesterday. Was Pentiment, which got stuck into a sizzle reel, and then
it was it was Grounded, surprising me a little bit. And then the
other two are on PPS five. The guy ounce that later that day in
YouTube videos and hey, and now we're past that, and here we are.
It's a whole different world and it doesn't feel all that different, but
it definitely is like a step in a direction, a new direction a little
bit for Microsoft after all of that hubbabaloo. Mike, how are you feeling
about all that stuff at this point? Yeah, it's a little weird,
like, yeah, we are just kind of on the other side of it
and here we are. I don't know, Jeff, I guess the question
is still Okay, so what is the next step here? Right? Is
it going to be like when we got you know, orient Cuppad where they
did that and then for a few years they kind of just did it again,
or is this really floodgates opening. It's it's hard to say. We
still need to see exactly where that is going to go. I mean,
it doesn't immediately solve all of Xbox's problems though, that that's for sure.
No, I mean the problems are only going to be solved if they put
out great games. I mean, that's the only thing that can work.
And even then they are in a situation where I think some people are like,
I don't want to get an Xbox just to play that game. Then
they might start thinking I'll just wait or I'll just play it on PC,
and that you know, whatever. If they're playing on PC and if they're
playing Microsoft's games, Microsoft really doesn't care. They really actually do not care.
But yeah, if they can get if they can put out some good
games that people can't miss, that will just solve all the issues right there.
And they haven't done that. So that's why we continue to be in
this situation where we're like, oh, how are they When are they going
to figure this out? Well, we know when they just haven't actually done
the thing to do that. I you know, I think there's a lot
of Xbox fans who were concerned beforehand, then the news happened and they're like,
oh, this is it, and then I think it's settled back in
as like, oh no, this is still that thing I was mostly worried
about, which is this is them testing the waters and things are going to
keep coming out. This is not the end of it, and I just
I kind of just want to say, like, yeah, this is the
reality. It's been this way for a long time, and this is them
just kind of seeing it through and recognizing it. I don't know what else
to tell you other than enjoy what you have and probably if you, if
you keep supporting Xbox, keep buying Xbox stuff. They're probably going to still
give you all the stuff you had before. Game Pass is still going to
be a focus for them, all the things you liked about Xbox are still
going to be Xbox. So kind of maybe just accept it and move on.
I don't know. Yeah, it's all true, and that Elbaiti's a
silly and maybe this is wrong things up. You put a gun in my
head, you know, like, do you think Xbox is much of a
thing, say, fifteen years from now. I wonder what my answer would
be. I wonder if what my answer would be. It's not no guaranteed
thing. I mean as a I mean, they will definitely still be putting
out games under something called Microsoft Gaming by that point, and definitely maybe maybe
even Xbox, but uh, the as we know it today, I would
not say yes necessarily shift and then yeah, go ahead. Well what do
you think about like how they treated pentiment, because like that's crazy to me.
They showed that but asked ugly version of they give it like five seconds
of pentiment, Like that's crazy to me. Yeah, I mean a lot
of people feel that way. I just I don't because I mean, I
maybe this is my self flagellation that I always do, Mike, you always
accuse me of of like like not believe in my own opinions. I adore
Pentiment. I love it. I think it's one of the best things ever.
And I'm like, that's just me. Fine, it looks fine,
fine. I think it's a little while person. I don't think it's a
big deal, but if if for nothing else, because it is the thing
that you know, it's it's a big deal that another Xbox game is coming
to switch it is. That's a very good game. And there were other
games that got their own segments that just words much at all. It's like,
look, I'm not saying that it needed like a minute, but give
it fifteen seconds of like its own voiceover and its own thing. At least.
It was a little weird to be Let's Ockham's Razor it though they just
announced Ground It has twenty million players. Pentiment does not, and it was
like, hey, what are these fucking games, because it's they don't know
what ground it is even if as twenty million players, let alone Pentiment,
and Microsoft goes well, Ground has twenty million players and Pentiment does not,
and they're like okay, well, ground It gets this featured slot and we'll
throw Pentiment into the sizzle reels. That's what happened. Do you think Xbox
is maybe a little bit less than thrilled about that? Are they in a
position? I mean probably, but I mean they're not in a position to
do much about it. I mean, you're you're ask you another company of
advertiser games for you. But yeah, I don't know. Yes, in
a perfect world, pentom It gets a slot that is worthy of its quality,
which is featured right there, and they make a big deal about it.
To me, it's such a good game. It could have been a
one last thing. That's how much I loved that game. That's what Brilli
It's that was never going to be on the table for that game. It
just wasn't. Eldern Ring DLC June twenty first Shadow of the Air Tree.
It's forty dollars. They had a trailer kind of all I needed to see
was that three minute video showing that off. Although Miyazaki hit a talk of
Miyazaki's out there doing some interviews talking about it, saying it's like, yeah,
it's a whole new place, it's a it's really big. I made
another poison Swamp. They had this great quote about He's like, you know
what, I did make another poison Swamp, and I was making him like
a moment of self reflection. I just really like making these things, and
I hope when people play it they can feel that retrospection. I'm like,
fuck, yeah, made me exactly feel it. We absolutely feel it.
I'm very excited about this. I I've been like, hey, looking for
a reason and maybe go back and play Elden Ring. Not gonna be able
to justify it until this happens, And now in June, I'm going to
be doing exactly that. So this is very cool, are you. It's
just something like you are going to make time for this year? Oh yeah.
Like saying this again, it's like, man, Older Ring did Rule
did in And it's almost like it's almost been hard for me to even think
about it because we've had a lot happens. It's Older came out, even
though it's only been a couple of years, if like a completely different reality
ago. But looking at this and knowing that it is all this new content
I'm super ready for. I don't really know how like it works with these
the DLC, so I just pick up like an old character. Do I
make a new character for these kind of things? I don't know either.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I have my either, I have my
save in the cloud on Steam, so I'm gonna be good whatever they need
it for me. So yeah, then the old in other games they used
to, like the DLC used to like unlocked after a certain point in this
story. So sure, it's probably the same here. Like maybe you like
you're like level fifteen and you get to this boss and you be this boss
and then you get like a branching path to that deal. S uh real
quick, We're going to take a break here in a second. But I
just don't like going back to the Xbox stuff just for a second. When
I'm getting ready for these shows, usually what I'll do is I'll throw on
YouTube and I'll see some other like podcast are live, and uh, you
know, I got a whole collectic mix in there, because I've guessed on
a bunch of podcasts and I've listened to those and I've and I'm always checking
stuff out, and so I turn on one that I know is kind of
a PlayStation leaning one and to hear them still talking about like and like these
are people who like lean PlayStation. To hear them still talking about how much
like game passes a problem and all this, and it's still talk about Xbox.
It's like, guys, you won Can you just move on? Final
Fantasy seven Rebirth is coming out, Just go talk about that instead. How
are you still having these same arguments at a certain point, there is a
sickness here that needs to be addressed. I just I don't get it.
So it's still gonna be weird out there. Don't expect that all the Kumbayas
are going to last through Hell Divers too. All that stuff's a lie.
That's only on TikTok. The real freaks out there still be an absolute fucking
free hold. Divers two is piece. Piece is democracy. It's happening.
It's happening, all right. We are going to take a break. When
we get back, we'll hit the rest of these super chats, and then
we'll get what we're gonna do for the rest of this show, including the
mount rushmore of j RPGs into that right after this and we're back, Mike.
We got a bunch of super chats. I favorited the ones that I
read. I don't know if that shows up for you in YouTube. If
not, I could just read the ones that I know have not been read
so far. Let me know. Yeah, maybe you should take care of
it this time. I will take care of that this time. Okay,
So let's go back here to l Grugg, who says, I know it
goes against the Minati moral code, but Mike should really look up some of
the bosses. At the end of Mortal Kombat Mythologies. There is some BS.
I'll let you answer this because I think you're you wouldn't. No,
Look, well, how many more are there? God Jesus. Now,
look, he's not gonna do it before he sees him initially. We'll get
to a point where it becomes a problem, we'll deal with it. That's
what happened with Fudjin. Like I gave it a good try that after a
while, I was just like, Jeff, you got it. Somebody's gotta
tell me what to do here. I just don't know. It's insane.
Imagine if I never told you to hang on the edge. I knew I
had, like for one thing I wanted to tell you, but I knew
as soon as we got out of there, there would be five thousand righteous
people just rushing to tell you what to do because they would be like,
no, this is completely unfair, we have to do something. It is
still definitely the most bullshit thing in that I mean, I can't believe it.
Like there are bullshit like Mario Maker Levels, Super Mario Brothers two is
like a game like Japanese one is like nothing but bullshit, And none of
that stuff matches that moment in that game because it's just completely bespoke. It's
unhinged, is and I like that word gets through. I use that word
a lot. I mean it here like there is something deeply wrong with the
people that made that part of that game. Yes, it's insane. Uh
justin Cheryl says, have you checked out American Arcadia puzzle platformer with a story
of Truman Show plus Epcot, Slash Walt Disney, My Hit and Jim of
twenty twenty three Next Game Club? What's it called again, American Arcadia?
I've heard about this, I haven't checked that. I've got my brother Chris
a little like that. By the way, Happy fortieth birthday to my older
brother aj About Happy birthday, Ash Guy Mark character, You're you're the true
star of the game mess whenever you're on true it's true. Conall Woods says
Suicide Squad, I dipped below five hundred Steam users. Yikes, man,
what up? Yeah? How worried are you? Because I am definitely at
is rock Steady And I don't mean to like speculate wildly of this. I
am at is rock Steady going to be okay levels of worried. I mean,
yeah, listen, we don't know, and it does feel it feels
insensitive in callous to be like, Okay, now let's speculate about the fate
of these people's livelihoods. But I mean to be a little callous. I
think that they will probably get a chance to get a rebound game in there,
whether or not that's actually seen through by a company as fickle as WB
I just don't know. And really, the people who did not get out
when while the getting was good, where we saw several people leave that studio
in the last couple of years, who's going to stick around? Really,
if they can leave, they're gonna leaves. It sucks. It sucks.
It's a terrible thing that happened with that studio. All right. A bunch
more funnel fantasy questions big Jim o' ryan says, as I said last summer,
I don't know where Ridge Racer six is. All right, well this
I'll be coming back over your house this summer and we'll talk about it then,
all right, Jim, Jim, we made a six. We made
a seven also. Then you don't even know where we are in this series.
If you need to, I know you were doing a lot of research
on on Ridge Racer. You know what the last number was. You could
tell us, all right, now the last number was? I would I
would probably just guess seven. Well, that's right. It's funny that you
framed as a guest because you're so sure. Yeah that's seven. Yeah,
I'm just so sure. Listen, don't want to let on on what I
know and don't know. Mike, I'm sorry, I get that position.
Yeah, thank you. Uh Toto Dio says, Hello, Spicy Bully or
Spicy Boys. Thanks for all your hard work and the hard work you guys
do. Here's for Mike's trip to Universal. We all demand pictures of Spider
Man when you are there. I'll get you a picture Spidery. Yeah,
to get me pictures of the Spider Man. Mike. He's been a busy
boy. I'm sure I'm looking forward to going to Universal and just having some
fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, i mean, like from my
position, like you've been kind of going NonStop for months now. I mean
not that you all have hard working Yeah you are. You are man.
Yeah, and it's been because you're always there to drop that when I'm like,
hey, last minute, could you do this thing? Kind of always
yes, So yeah, take some time to yourself. Uh ah right,
not that I won't need you that way, I'm sure I'll still ask you
to be on stuff. Ta Bucket twenty three says, have you guys seen
men Max's Thirst console video series? It's their Nintendo Waifu and Husbondo episode moment,
but they tier list their communities video game character crushes. No, that's
a good idea. I mean, that's that's where the real money's at.
Yeah, we should go back and watch that segment someday react to our own
content. Yeah, let's do it. Jedi Moss through us a super chat
they got retracted. That's always a good sign, Jedi Moss. If you
want to like put something in chat right now, we'll see if we can
grab it. Illuminati eighty five, says Jeff and Mike. Am I supposed
to be sad about old games coming to a company that just lost ten billion
dollars in market value seems more like a lifeline to me. Microsoft is not
trying to help Sony here, They're trying to help themselves. Microsoft Xboxes needs
to make more money. That's what the this is about. We've since we've
been saying, we've been saying for weeks and years. Even Yeah, Sony's
not in some great position, PlayStation's not in like some unas saleable position.
They also are facing market headwinds and issues, and here it is, and
that's there's nothing new there. If you've been listening to the show, there
was a bay Leaf Boon superchap from like the beginning, ish, I don't
know if you, uh god, I will let me, let me,
let me have it right here. You want me to say it? Yeah,
yeah, hit it please. Bailey's been said super hype for psv R
two PC support Half Life Alex will be incredible on that hardware. I did
miss that. Yeah, I'm glad they are doing that. I it's kind
of the opposite of what I want, not the opposite what I really want.
Is just astro bought on all the other headsets and not the PlayStation headset
being to play every other game of sites from astrobot. Finally, Yeah,
good point. Yeah, I mean listen, that's it is good hardware.
If you already haven't and you get to connected to your PC, uh,
that'll be great. You probably you'll probably have to buy a dongle'll probably be
the third party dongles that we'll work for it. It will I doubt just
an off the shelf dongle would work. I think that we heard from the
guy that did the PSVR hack and he was like, no, this is
gonna be a lot more work than even I thought it would be. Now,
Sony would obviously be able to figure something out there, but you are
going to have to plug it into something and won't be able to plug right
to your GPU. Collin says in Final Fantasy seven Rebirth, can you drive
slash fly vehicles around a map or is it just through set paths that you
can do these things? You can ride everywhere? You know, because I
I know, like in fifteen you unlock like pure free flying after a certain
point. I didn't do anything like that. There might be something in that
game. I'm not sure there is, Like there are chocobos that kind of
do gliding or like very base ish sort of Super Mario sixty four kind of
flying, but in limited places. So at least what I saw nothing like
complete free roaming flying, but it might be there. I might have missed
it. Kyle Barton says, happy birthday, Ash Guy, Happy birthday,
Buddy. Uh robo. Jim says, hey grubbing, Mike giving the weird
spot Sony seems to be in. Do you think Naughty Dog taking over the
Last of Us Part one remaster was ultimately a mistake. I thought it was
a mistake at the time. I get I mean, I get why Naughty
Dog wanted it. It's like, hey, we have all these people on
staff. It would be nice if we gave them something to do, and
that is our game. We should be the ones to do that. But
I think overlooking the potential of bolstering another studio like Visual Arts Group was probably
a mistake. Yeah, Alex says, accidentally Bilatrode myself last night started a
game. Then the next thing I knew, it was six in the morning.
Jeff, please don't play this one while driving. Fucking stop me.
Then I've been playing a little bit of Blutcher when I can. It's really
fun, but like not a ton so is. My time has been fun
on Fancy Sevin, But I'm excited to play. I'll play while driving.
I saw you sneaking in some games today when I was on Steam. I
was like, oh, there's Mike playing Bulatrum. Uh. Big Fresh thirty
seven says Suicide Squad numbers looking rough, but at least it's way stronger than
Grounded. The play Captain Toad Okay, yes, look look. Grounded is
definitely probably a more successful game than Suicide Squad. That's probably true. Uh
yes, Growded is not like a sixty dollars game if you were to buy
it by it outright right. I don't think anything. I have zero,
probably not. I can't imagine. And Banada Eaters back says, what do
we get first? New Ridge Racer or Diddy Kong Racing on Nintendo switch online?
Hey listen, just like imagine this Ridge Racer x Diddy Kong Racing.
Oh my god, there it is, everybody. Yeah, well, well
are you are you teasing something from your investigations that you know something? Moving
on, Christian says, why the super chats didty Kng's happening first? Yeah,
Kung's happening first. Uh yeah, because Jeff those which ones were already
read, because he read a bunch of them already about fom Fantasy b Tradeing
says, are console exclusives is anti competitive? Why do I need several pieces
of small, similar hardware that are all capable of playing the same set of
games. I mean, they're definitely not anti competitive, because they are about
the byproduct of competitiveness. Like that's why they happen. So I will say
when, like when Xbox was tweeting, like the blog post about the four
games, like when games are available in more places, we all win,
it's more fun to play together. I was doing some grounded esque I rowing
a little bit like, look, of course it's actually about money, and
of course everything is they're not gonna say, but I still, like,
you know, I was like, yeah, good, good, Yeah,
you guys are real hero. Uh. I'm just I'm just glad to be
overrun Nintendo right now in a time where they're in a good position and it's
like, okay, they have of course my games are over here, and
I don't have to worry about these other things. Like we were I had
Lord Cognito, who is like he's got an Xbox guy on. He was
on Game this Morning this week and he was about to say something negative about
Nintendo. Nintendo would switch online the app and he's like, listen, I
almost to step on your toes. So I'm like, oh no, you
don't understand. We hate that shit too. Like if you as a Nintendo
podcast person, that we yell at Nintendo way more than we ever yell about
Sony or Microsoft. So it's like yeah, and that's It's like, I'm
glad to be in that position. I'd much rather just be mad at Nintendo
than some other company. Uh all right? And then Christian is back,
when was this discussed the super chat thing? I mean you just weren't listening.
Yeah, what do you want us to do? You were You're playing
Bulloch or something and not listening. Now you want to ye at us.
I mean you're giving the money to go. I already pay for you this
month. You gotta fucking behave thank you for your super chests, Christian,
thank you. Christian is like this is like Jeff guy, Yeah, do
I have to pay you back for these yeah, this buck you a quarter.
He's not some saints. Look, I don't know what this Argentinian money
is that could be like. So that's how it's a little confusing because like
the gold ones, the gold background ones usually indicate that it's worth about like
ten dollars or something at all. It's definitely not boy oh boy, it's
it's very much not that sorry about your currency. Bro. All right,
it's gonna do it for the super chats. Cool. Uh now, Vample,
I get the thing. Well, you know what, let's just take
a break. Take a break, we'll come back and we'll do the Mount
Rushmore JRPGs. Thanks for sticking with this cloud show, everybody. It's been
help and we're back and we're doing the Mount Rushmore JRPGs. This is where
we put up four faces that are indicative of a certain idea or genre or
Thing'm a bob. This time it's j RPGs. Mike. I'm excited about
this. Even if someone has never been like, oh, the j RPG
guy. I've known a lot of g RPG guys. You're a j RPG
guy. I've always I've been fond of them from not afar, but at
least a safe distance arms length. I keep them there, but I still
have, like always been paying a p attention to them because I think it's
an important genre, one that I, like, I said, have a
lot of fundness for. We are coming off of a big new JRPG release.
I'll say it right now, it's hard to put a brand new game
in here. I bet you're not even going to try to put Final Fantasy
seven rebirth on here. No, but I mean, you know, and
you know your perspective is gonna be helpful because it's Mount rushmore, right,
I don't necessarily want just the like presidential historians experts on like Mount Rush.
The point of Rush Boy is everyone knows who at least of those four guys,
Like, yes, yeah, if you were going to make a tourist
trap, who what would you put up there to attract the tourists? Like
that's what this is. Yes, and it's not just like most popular,
but it's a born factor here, you know. But we're also going to
like, look, we're not going to put like three Final Fantasy games on
here. It's we're going to try to do one per franchise for sure.
That's very likely true, all right, so the mount rushmore of JRPGs,
I know which one that I think I would put up there as like the
standout, And it's probably because it's it has technically has sequels, but like,
let's be real here, Crono Trigger kind of stands alone in a lot
of ways, as like I think a lot of people's ideal of what a
JRPG can be. Yeah, I think that's right. I think credit Trigger
still kind of gets brought up a lot of time as this like the the
ideal especially of like that classic version of what a jar PG can be in
that sixteen bit sense or that dominated the genre for all the time. It
really is the ideal of that. It was at the time that this like
incredible coming together of all these masterminds of the genre in you know, the
two company square Enix before the merger, and it still holds up. It's
still it's got everything that you want. It's got everything that you want from
a really good j RPG. Right, it looks beautiful, the soundtrack is
amazing, you have this really fun group of characters, fun battle system.
Yeah, it is, it's the ideal. And then I mean, should
we just get into the final fantasy stuff. Now, Yeah, I guess
I'm curious, like, like, what do you think would be the one
final Fantasy game, Mike, I'm forty Well, it's Final Fantasy six.
I mean it's interesting. It's interesting you said six because I thought, I
think in terms of Mount Rushmore, because I like six more than seven.
I do. I think in terms of Mount Rushmore, it's seven. I
think I think today, based on the continued adoration for Final Fantasy seven,
you are probably right. Yes, I think Final Fantasy seven has won that
war. And I'm I'm like at a point where I'm like, oh,
I'm ready to admit that. I think that probably five years not even five
years ago, even after Final Fantasy seven remake came out. I'm like,
well, of course the doing that one, they know that you're a bunch
of suckers, will play it for that game again. And now, of
course it was a good game. But I think I still would have argued
basically is what I'm saying today. I'm I'm not going to argue it.
Really, I think you're probably right. If we're talking about indicative iconic of
that franchise, it probably is Final Fantasy seven. And there are other fun
facies that I like more than although I still like it a lot. But
six was important for RPGs for sure. But the crow trigger is like very
much of that oak anyways, and then seven was important for all of gaming
in a lot of way. It was mainstream. There are a lot of
people that I know who don't even play that many video games, never played
another JRPG again, who got like really into breeding a gold chok upon in
that game. It was a giant mainstream thing. It's a game that if
I think if we were to go to Jeff Bakolar and say start naming some
important games, I think he would get the Final Fantasy seven relatively quickly.
I mean, it's a big part why a PlayStation took off, really,
righteah. I mean it's the marketing was the tone was so different than everything
else was happening, and they it was cool. It was cool. It
took itself seriously in a way that's like, you know, it doesn't even
necessarily do anymore. But at the time, it's like, no, this
is a big budget marketing campaign that's going to be in primetime television because it's
just that important. And I believed them, and like this is like not
a big deal now, but at the time, the fact that it wasn't
a super pure fund like fantasy setting was really interesting, right, more steampunky,
more sci fi. I yeah, I do think in terms of Mount
Rushmore, it's got to be seven as the representative for the franchise, all
right, got it up there? Uh listen, I I hope there's not
too much pushback here, but I maybe there could be. I think Super
Mario RPG SHO should be up there, of course, yeah, because like
it's almost to me, Super Mario RPG's almost the Abraham Lincoln where it's like,
oh, like yeah, sure there were presidents before that, but this
is the one that made them fun. You know, Abram Lincoln, Free
the Slaves, super Bowl RPG made RPG's fun, basically the same thing.
You get what I'm saying, Yeah, Uh, I get it. I
don't dismiss it out right. It's a it's a little hard for me because
there's gonna be a lot of games we're not gonna be able to get on
here, and it's like, man, even in the j RPG thing,
we got to make room for Mario. But look like you're right, the
kind of like time hits thing is still in a lot of RPGs to this
day. It was a lot of people's first rpg and it's it is a
very good game. I think as we're considering, I think it might be
it might be tough. It's also going to be like, it's gonna be
Square Enix heavy in here already. That would be the third Square the next
game. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, what are we what
are we supposed to do about that? It's certainly not because it's like,
what are we gonna replace this with? Well, I mean Square, We're
gonna a Square Enix game. We're gonna replace the Dragonquaces is probably gonna go
up the right. You're right, So that's the That's kind of my next
question, which is definitely at least some more on the Enix side. I
suppose you could argue, but Marbigi is a little bit on the side we're
spreading love. It's a little hard for me to say which Dragon quest because
I think, yeah, go ahead, what do you think? I mean,
it's it's tough because you're right, because like I think at this point,
if we could get away with just putting uh eleven up there, But
it feels like, man, that one seems like it's such a culmination of
everything came before, So maybe we need one from before that. But because
it's yeah, I don't know, maybe just Dragon Quest one. Yeah,
that's I'm kind of I have three thoughts. It could be eleven because it
is a culmination, it's the best one for sure. Could be one because
it's it's the first j RPG. It really is like that, that's where
we get everything else. It's even before the first Model Fantasy. Or it's
three, which is the ideal of that kind of original vision of it and
was the one when the series like really kind of became I think, a
big, mega mega hit. I see I see a lot of people suggesting
three, eleven or one in chat. We could maybe just put the three
options for now, but it would be one of those three, I think.
And then I think there should be a persona and I think I think
you probably do do Persona three, which I think that I revitalized the Jerechy
genre to me in alarm of Sorry, yeah, I mean that gave it
seemed like it was sort of dwindling a bit, and it was kind of
in for rough times in that PS three era in a lot of ways.
And I know it's a PS two game, but it was a late PS
two game, but a time where jerezes were feeling stagnant. All of a
sudden, this, for instance, that wasn't new necessarily but suddenly came out
and became popular and kind of became this new pillar for the genre. That
was a pretty big deal to me. I think four is better. I
see a lot of people say four in chat, but I mean, it's
just four is so similar to three and three is It's not like it's not
quite like, oh, I'm trying to say this in a way. It's
not gonna make people max. That's I'm not trying to do it. Just
this is just illustrative, illustrative like Far Cry four. It feels like a
continuation of Far Cry three. It's not Persona four is not quite that to
Persona three, but persona three. Persona Foor's idea and identity definitely started with
three. And I think it's if we're talking about like, what do you
say is indicative of this idea, it's persona three. I want to ask
you so now, because I see a lot of people chesting this, I
know how I feel about it. How do you feel about including Pokemon in
this category? Yeah, it's kind of hard to argue against in terms of
sure, me, what are they? What's like? Yeah, what is
the argument against it? I didn't like the last couple very much. I
don't know my argument it gets it is that I think a lot. I
don't know, Like what if if I did like like one of those like
word graph things, like what the words you identify it with? Pokemon definitely
is a j RPG. I think the words JPG would not would be very
small if on there at all. It does feel like it's sort of superseded
the genre and it kind of is its own thing in some ways. But
yeah, if people are like want to be a stickler about it, I
understand that at the very least, I'll say, like, oh, if
we we left it off, and it does feel like super MARPG is going
to get the gun to the head here pretty soon, and what we have
here is Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy A cron Trigger Final Fantasy seven, Dragon
Quest, and Persona three. Uh poke, Pokemon being left off of that,
it doesn't wouldn't look that shocking to me. No, No, I
mean, yeah, again, there's something about it's not it's not it's not
a very j RPG. Yes, j RPG right, sure, yeah,
yeah, Like you look at you, you don't really have your your party
and the found family stuff and all the stuff you associated. I mean maybe
it's just that's a me thing and maybe like a lot of people are like
obviously a lot of people in chat think Pokemon rates here, and of course
it does. But like I said, I just don't think I would be
if I looked at that list and I saw someone else doing it and I
saw those four games and Pokemon wasn't up there. I don't know if Pokemon
would occur to me anytime soon. It's be like, oh, well where's
Pokemon? Yeah, I think, yeah, exactly, it's it's I don't
say it's being pedantic, because I do get it, but it's just I
don't know, you know, you know, you know what when you see
a kind of thing, I'm like, no, I don't I don't see
Pokemon not being on here being a problem. Uh we did. I don't
think we did a discord for the podcast producer. So people are just throwing
stuff out. I don't know how many more really weird. We're even gonna
be able to consider because people are throwing out like Xeno Bladant, Zeno Gears,
and just know, Zeno Gears is like the one that I think of
as like, well, yeah that came out and people paid attention to it
because they Final Fantasy seven and they were looking for something to fill in that
gap or they were like, when they're not playing one of the Final Fantasies,
they wanted to be playing Zeno Gears. It's like that lives in those
games. It's a shadow and not that it doesn't surpass it for some people.
But again, we're talking about the rush more worthy games here and that's
not Zeno Gears. Yeah, what are you gonna say, Christian? Yeah,
we have a thread going on if you want to check it out.
O we do, Okay, I'll pop over there and then Fire and Bloom
Awakening, which I believe you don't even think it's a j RPG. Well
look it is, but like I think of strategy games is kind of a
different thing. It definitely are strategy games that are much more on that j
RPG side. If you motherfuckers put a fire Emblem game house list and not
pokem on right now, Yeah, this game. Those are they just dragon
quest? I kept my mouth shut during that slander, but we should really
move on to that thread right now. Yeah, there's one more I want
to bring up before we go to the thread as a maybe possibility here is
weak It in two, which I think is like probably the most talked about
like j RPG for j RPG fans, right, like the real j rpg
s. J RPG It's like when you decide I want to I want to
become more serious about my my opinions of j RPGs, Like some a man
and a cloak will go to your door and say, all right, time
to play sweak It in two. That's like your mission, right. He's
the like when you're through the Gateway drugs, Like it's the same guy that
sells you heroin when you're done with marijuana, he also gives you sweak it
In when you're done with Pokemon. All right, podcast producers, guys,
I'm gonna get through these. Like I said, I'm not feeling too great,
so we're gonna probably bounce through these pretty quick. Tonight, Joyz mentions
Persona and then it's this persona five. That's fine. Yes, the red
one right is five, right is five? Okay? Casual says like a
Dragon infinite wealth Yakuza games were beat them up for a long time and then
the recent like a Dragon games have been straight up j RPGs, very inspired
by a future Mount Rushmore Resident Dragon Quest. Yeah so yeah, uh Velocity
Prime Sys Corono Trigger Jamie H. Christmas Eve says Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
Yeah, it's just not the final Fantasy game that's gonna get up there.
Dan Fiasco says Final Fantasy six sweaking in two Zeno gears in Chrono Trigger Corona
trigger Mount was we say chronoo chronological? I got a chronic illness, yeah,
and I only a trader can curate like a Dylan Infinite Well says Final
Fantasy six. Bench j C says Trails into Reverie the Legend of Hero series.
Yeah, that's the newest one. I mean, if there was going
to be a trophy for me, a probably into this guy. I think
all series. There's a ton of entries. There's still an obscureness about it
that isn't quite Mount Rushmore level for me. Very good. It's a fun
series, though it's a very j RPGs like JRBG super fan kind of series
for sure. Final Laya seven re E says, I have many thoughts,
but let's say this, and I believe this might be Lea's a joker tattoo
for Persona five. Yes, more Persona five. People love Persona five.
Man, that's a good tattoo. Matt Raremukey says, Skies of Arcadia legends
that like Ruther B. Hayes, so not going to be up there,
but there you go. Or often worth mentioning is Cleveland, the guy who
was like elected, lost in and came back. It's like this is the
Cleveland of sure exactly, and you're thinking of Trump. That's a Jeremy Biff
says Zeno Blake Chronicles Two Crashes, We Crashes Basketball says it fucking counts Paper
Mario the thousand Year Door. Listen, we're doing any of the Mario RPGs,
it would be super Mario rpg. Uh and even that's not gonna make
it always be Clothing Slash Corgy says a poignant, poignant story about sacrifice,
family trauma, and intentionally awkward laughter on top of an incredible combat. Syst
to Boot Final Fantasy ten Adam Juice says Tails to Simponia, that would probably
be the Tails game is Symphonia just in terms of kind of like it's endearing
popularity, although I like Vesperia more, but yeah, that would be the
Tails representative. Simponi is the one that you just hear about the most,
for sure. Yeah, people talk about all the time. Boptol Bop to
see Bob and Rebop says Pokemon Heart gold and Soul silver. He says it's
an ARPG dammit. So yeah, that's part of my problem with the like
an argument against these games making on the mount rest woar, you all keep
having to remind me it's a j RPG for some reason. Well, maybe
they just know you well enough that they know they're gonna have to yell at
you. Maybe this is you thing. Maybe it's a b thing he sptical
possibility. The tecnd Will five says earth Bound. Maybe I know we're not,
I mean, you aren't, like we are not people for it,
but it's like, I bet it's more influential than I even realize. I
bet that's for sure. Yes, Tommy Pencils, says elden Ring, which
is an interesting poll. I think sure. I mean once you start getting
more like action RPGs is just kind of a different thing to me. Like
I wouldn't put Kingdom Hearts on here things like that. It's that's just a
different thing, uh, Alex A Go Go says sweak it in two Yeah,
yeah, it's important. Alex's please be one of the four marpgs are
going to put on here and give the spots. That is kind of how
I feel. I'm like, I just don't know if I could put a
Mario game on here and like be like, yeah, we kept sweaking in
two off so that we can give Mario this spot. I just think I
could do it. I get it. They just you should tell the other
RPG developers to make their games better. Uh. Screaming Batten says like a
Dragon, Yeah, Yakuza like a Dragon. Uh, definitely a great j
RPG. Alex says Kingdom Hearts. Jeff God, I don't give a ship
again. Like, action rpg is kind of a different thing than me.
Two x ko apologist Eden says Dragon Quest eight. That's maybe that's one that
we should go with, because that's definitely what I do think of pretty early
on when I start thinking of dressing. Yet you know when I was like
in my big dragon quest like face, this was the one I played,
and there was so much hype with it that after like you know, like
seven hours, that's when I stopped. Actually I was like, well maybe
three then. I don't know, we'll see. It might be three,
It might be three. DMC depressed me crying, says In Kirby Star Allies,
you form a party and can add a stronger party members as you progress,
level up your moves with different elemental styles, and at the end of
it then goes on for quite some time, and I think we're just gonna
say, nice try valiant effort has for the first sane person, says super
Mario RPG. Corley pussays Golden Sun the Lost Age. You're gonna get to
that anytime soon, Mike, Yeah, I do still want to. There's
some other things I'm definitely doing first, Like there's a lot of Persona three
I still have to play. I liked the first Golden Sun. I imagine
that I'm sure it's better, but I'm sure it's still pretty similar. I
don't know if the storytelling, which was my big hang up in the first
one, is going to Sully make such an improvement that. I think it's
like one of the four most essential JRPGs ever. Doctor Ryan says Final Fantasy
seven. Octo says, oh, Moon, God man, it's the one
I hadn't thought about in a couple of years since that was it a remake
or remaster or re release got came out. I know a lot of people
like this game. What's my I don't even know if I I kind of
basically remember this game. Moon is the one I like the undertail person called
out right and I'm interesting like and then everyone like started playing it because of
that, I thought, I know there's a lot of fondness for this in
certain scenes. Uh. Michael Riley says, Final Fantasy seven is a lock.
I know you're going to want to pick six, but six, Mike,
but think of the children. Now, I was the one that wanted
to do was reasonable. Don't worry. I know what's up. Which game
is this? Is? This? Is this Rebirth? That's Rebirth game?
A yeah, yeah, sorry for audio for audio listeners. There's a picture
of Tifa in cleavage and that and then Mike went away, look at that
over the shoulder boulder holder. Christian became a stereotypical heyday, happy birthday,
but come on, yeah, ye and the two time Champie Faber said Final
Fantasy nine. Hey, that's your favorite, right, that's my favorite.
And he also said he thought that I would pick six. That's interesting.
But yeah, I'll tell you what I know. There's a rumor of a
nine remake. I don't think it's going to be on the scale of what
we're getting with seven. But boy, if they did that, you want
to see a grown man cry right look out chaos. Buckerus is firing them
three houses. Very good, but again, strategy, it's like a different
it's a subgenre. Tears of the boomer Pal twenty seventy seven says Grandia too.
I like Grondia too. It's just it's not like, man, that's
so funny that was published by I was just thinking the same thing. I
see that USOP log on there, I'm like, what the fuck that's so
messed up. It's a weird one too. It's it's not like it's not
a first round draft pick for me. It's a very good, like second
third round the air feature draft pick, but it's not like super tough.
You don't how to scroll up every time you go down. Will I forget
see that will Will David says, a mount rushmore of various Pokeman's uh yeah,
but understood. Isaac Clark says Dragon Quest five invented capturing monsters and using
them as party members well before Pokemon. This game is legendary. Five would
be like the other one I would consider because of that. It's also very
good. I also love that's my favorite hero design in the dragon Quest games.
I love the way the dragon Quest five protagonist looks. I'm sad that
he wasn't an option in Smash Brothers. Uh weeze man apparently channeling your brother.
Chris says Eternal Sonata. It's so the funniest thing in the world to
me that my younger brother, who does not like JRPGs or very like like
like anime schemes at all for some reason, fucking look because he's chopon pilled.
He's chopon pilled. He was like he had a weird old soul period
during college. He really got into Charlie Chaplin films in a hard way.
It was pretty funny. Domino Crossing says Nac Dude, we forgot about that
too. Ah shit, all right, well let's go get rid of Final
Fantasy seven. Yeah s WSP says Final Fantasy nine. Lily Woe Lee Wu
says Final Fantasy eight. Uh. Super Harmon says Dragon Quest nine eight.
That's eleven eleven is excuse me, you're right, I was still thinking of
Final Fantasy eight for second. No one's really brought this up yet, and
I know a lot of people like it, but it's like at that point,
it's kind of the thing where it's like, no, it's it also
lives in Final Fantasy seven's shadow, and though I know many people do prefer
eight for various reasons. No, there's a lot about it that's nice,
and I think it's been reconsidered in a much more positive light in recent years.
But I don't think anyone's going to argue it's a more important game than
Final Fantasy seven. Wong Gift says Final Fantasy seven, but not the remake.
I hate that they turned the awesome Wee pop Eye Cloud into Chad Michael
Murray input name here says Shimagami tense noc turn. Yeah. I mean,
uh, that Remeisser came out, I wasn't able to get super far and
so again, like the mainline SMT series isn't super for me, but still
like that's kind of it comes this Persona and I just think we're gonna do
a Mount Rushmore. A Persona game is going to get in there instead of
a mainline SMT game. You need hard feature art from the Devil Mike Rice
series. That's pretty true. It does feature him. Interesting. H T
money Og says the beginning of a phenomenon. Pokemon Red and Blue, Mitsugary
Mitsurugi says, Dragon ball Z Boo Fury for the Game Boy Advance, is
this one of the better ones for real? Because I always want to play
these RPGs. Yeah, the Down Bowl RPGs are pretty good, most of
them. I don't know. You play Trucks. Trunks is cool, Trunks
is great. I like think Trunks is very cool. Absolutely, he's cool.
Last the Ship out of Prisa, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's
such that is I think I think about that's like the most og the most
incredible Chad move in media history was this character just showed up and killed the
villain and that villain's father in like two seconds. The villain from like the
last one hundred episode arc. Incredible shoot Hot American Summer has this looks like
Dragon Quest three. I'm gonna guess that is a game Boy color port of
it. Yeah, DrAk Look, I played Dragon Crest three for the first
time just a few years ago, and that is ANYS game, and it
is still very, very good. There's definitely a little like any s obtuseness
about it. Just play as a guide. It is still really impressive to
me. I like three a lot. Laser Wolf says, like a Dragon,
Infinite Wealth, great g RPG. He got Days, says Persona five
Paper, Mario, the Thousand Year Door, Pokemon Red and Blue, and
Final Fantasy seven, A fair Mount Rushmore you have there, and Panada Eater.
This is Persona three four four four Yeah, if you know, you
know Shooji coodos Final Fantasy nine. JD. Camp says, Mario golf for
the game Boy color. That's that's actually probably the best j RPG. You
are, right, Judy Camp Man Let Camelot cook again, Nintendo, Come
on. Klink says I guess I should have known because this has got some
yellow in it, and I think Persona four is the yellow one, right,
Yes, three is blue, fours yellow and five is right, and
for some reason, I spend way too much time wonder, really too much
time wondering what six is color is going to be? You are your team
purple right? No, Hi, a'ms the purple one. I think that
my be right green is a possibility, though we still have had a green
Clink says percent of four Golden zoube Mer says paper and Mario h sarahs Kane
says Residence of Fate is criminally underrated. That's one of yours. Uh,
I read, yeah, I want to the other like one that people usually
bring up us an underrated. I'm surprised I seeing it is Lost Odyssey.
I definitely want to play at some point, but also it might kind of
like maybe they'll remaster that soon or at some point. I don't know,
that would be a cool move. Uh. Redfish says dark Souls, which
you know, very important game, but I just it's not indicative of the
j RP genre genre to me, we named this genre after it. It's
so different, right exactly. Yes, it's a souls like brought this monster
says the Legend of Dragoon, which I know people like, but I think
aren't they wrong? No? I mean it's fine people. You're right though,
people. Some people still carry a very big torch for this game.
Yeah, Cryoris says Chrono Trigger. Buggadillos is Mother three Vision forty nine says
Mario Luigi Superstar Saga, which is just a phenomenal game. Really highly recommend,
but not going to make this list. Lenny Cool Dick Denver says Mario.
RPG Legend of the Seven Stars, Razzle Jazzle says Dragon Quest or Dragon
Warrior as it was known here at the time. Game Cube Chris as Monster
Hunter Stories, two Wings of Ruin. Do you ever play any of these
stories games? Now? I know people actually did like this one, and
like if I was gonna play what it'd be this? And I know they
just announced a remester the first one during the partner wrec but I don't know.
There's a lot of other things higher up on my priority list of backlog.
JRPGs. What is this fifth Christian's persona, say Mitsudu. Baby,
she's the like seventeen years old weeks Like, still need to talk about this,
Mike. We never had that discussion about your problem with them, Atsuru.
That's not a problem, but it is. She she has the both
like thirty eight year old like she's your boss, like like not like sexy,
like literally she is your boss at your place of work. Enter she
uh, and it's she's a big character. But I do, I do
laugh at her. But Jeff, get a hand out of I put a
different Tifa right below that with the fuck okay, okay, all right,
there we go Sean as a picture of Tifa saying he's probably thinking about other
women with a little picture of an earth there, and then Cloud's actually thinking,
why doesn't Tifa wear her cowboy hat anymore? What's what's better Tifa's cowboy
hat or knuckles ova hat? I mean it's the knuckles hat. I mean,
come on, we all know. Yeah, she just had to close.
Second though, I saw people. I saw all the people chappering up
Fantasy Star four, which I do like a lot, but it was always
kind of like, hey, look, Sega's got one of them j RPG's
also, and isn't that great. It's like, yeah, it is very
good. Yeah it sounds good as crams, but it's very good. Yeah.
That's always been that game's place, and even people that like like it,
like, well, I'm not gonna play that vanilla. It takes a
long time. I'm gonna like or to play it on an emulator so I
can fast forward through all that. What's one of the games where I was
very happy to have fast forward because it's also not translated very great, Like
it's one of those games that's for some reason when they translated it, they
did it on like a second grade reading level, and it's kind of weird,
but it's a fun game. I like Fantasy Star four a lot,
all right, So what we have right now is Corono Trigger Final Fantasy seventh,
Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest three Persona three. I will delete Super
Mario RPG under protest, and I will name the dragon Quest game to be
Dragon Quest three, And then I believe that is our Mount Rushmore And it
looks right. Do you think that's it? I think that's it. I
think it is Grown Sugar f Office, Yeah, grow Tugger FOMF seven,
Drag Quest three Persona three, something about threes. Listen, if we were
going to knock something off of here, I don't know what we would knock
off, and but we would probably replace it with Pokemon. I honestly probably
would do that. But Dragon Quest is just Pokemon before Pokemon, So wh
wouldn't we keep it there? Good point, Sean, when you brought that
up, that's a very good thing you made that. We can make it
five if it makes people feel better, I guess, yeah, it's our
honorary number. Five doesn't make them out but there it is, no no,
I mean, we can make it Dragon Quest five, the one that
had the monster collecting stuff. Oh sure, sure, sure, thank you
all you want to do that, you want to say Dragon Quest instead,
there's a compromise. Sure, yeah, there you got everybody. See I'm
looking at how for you Pokemon people? Do me a favorite Roman numeral V
please sure give me a second me bring this back. Hey, look,
obviously there's a lot of very good Jerry, And there's some subjectiveness to this
for sure, Like I do feel bad not getting I think, so we
can to choose the one I feel the most bad about not getting a spot
on there. But hey, it's four games, it is. It is
tough out there to make it there. Yeah, the like these are definitely
all super essentials to me in a lot of ways. So there's some stuff
that even bring up, like the Lunar games, right, other things like
that, Radiant Historia, some other kind of hidden gems, lots and lots
of lots of big, big, big fun stuff. But boy, I
do man, I do like this, jenre Jeff. I still spend a
lot of time playing j RPGs, and it's always, you know, I
laugh at like cozy games. This is what like is a cozy game to
me is something like this. That's where I mean. I think a lot
of a lot of cozy games, especially the farming sim ones, are trying
to evoke the feeling of like being in a j RPG village or something like
that. I think a lot of times. So uh, there is definitely
a lot of coziness inherent to this genre. Our mount rushmore of g RPG
is one last time Here is Corono Trigger, Final Fantasy seven, Dragon Quest
five, and Persona three, And I think that list looks correct now.
Dragon Quest five also has a kind of where you get to pick your wife,
which is like, you know that, So isn't that so important in
jerrpgs? Now? It's very important. It's probably the most important, the
most of the why Yeah, it's the original WIFU picker. All right,
I'm gonna post that well, we took a quick break. When we get
back, we'll talk about what we've been playing right after this. All right,
we are back, there's say goodbye to our Mount Rushmore list. It
was great while it lasted, but you know, we don't have to talk
about anymore because now's it's carved into stone, it's there forever. Mike,
what have you been playing, I suppose other than Final Fantasy seven Rebirth if
anything. Yeah, Look, I've been playing a bit of Blotcho and it's
super fun, and still been having fun playing a bit more Persona three,
mostly at bedtime when I can, And I was kind of in JRPG Heaven
playing Rebirth and Persona three. But no, I mean, I guess the
kind of like one last thing on Rebirth. I know, I say,
it's just incredible to have a game like this again, But man, it
was such an important time when I was like early in college and I had
actually just like changed colleges. I actually like bounced around a couple of times
I was direction with I was back home. I was like, Okay,
maybe maybe I can be a video gain journalist. I don't know, And
I just started my first gaming podcast with my brother Agy actually exploiting barrel.
And it was like during then that I went in Godfou on Phasty twelve when
it was new because my friend my friend just wanted me to go with him
to the midnight launch. I was like, sure, I'll pick it up
and actually did fall in love with it, and then I was like,
I'm going to go play all the other ones and it was just that's just
an incredible thing, like doing this marathon esque playthrough of one through ten.
And then I had that problems of time, so I was just talking about
it every week. It was It was really important in terms of like kind
of where I am now in a lot of strange ways, I don't I
don't really like to be that kind of like this video game changed me kind
of person, but it was important and playing Rebirth was the most I felt
like I did in that original marathon again, because it really does way more
than A sixteen, a fifteen, or even a thirteen. It feels like,
yeah, wow, we are kind of back to this game feeling like
one of those again, and that's incredible. That yeah, that is that
is incredible and it's encouraging and it's nice to hear I'm glad that this game
has hit for you. That is, it's nice to anticipate something. We
talk about like, you know, setting of expectations and sometimes setting them high,
and it's like, well, what's the worst that can happen, You'll
be disappointed. Well, the best thing that can happen is setting your expectations
high and then having them overcome. That just feels like man, putting your
faith in something and having it be like you were right to do that,
and let's let's go on a fun journey together. Boy, that feels great.
So I'm glad. I'm glad you got to experience that. For me,
it's been like over the weekend, I was playing some Bilatro more than
I intended to, and then I did get back onto like a Dragon,
and I am I think I'm kind of beginning to wrap it up now.
I am what I am assuming is the final grind session I'm gonna be doing.
And I did look and see in my inventory that I because I have
the Special Edition, I did have like twenty like level up things could have
used instead of grinding. Yes, and I pop those And then yet I'm
still grinding because I'm enjoying it. I like going through these dungeons and getting
to the end and seeing how much money I'm gonna get, and also having
that money so i can go buy some better gear that I've been eyeing for
the whole game. Well, now I'm gonna be able to afford It's all
that's like fun. And I'll go in, you know, to some parts
of the map that have had the enemies that have been too high level for
me to mess with. I'll go mess with them a couple of times,
and then I'll go through this last part of the game. It's probably a
little bit more than what I'm expecting because i think I'm on like chapter twelve
and I think there's sixteen chapters. I think that's right. But I'm still
like, I'm ready to see it through. Just still really like it.
And I know I like it because I am doing the grinding and I'm not
like, oh, this is obnoxious and this is annoying. And even when
it like I am like a little bit distracted, I'm like, oh,
I need to do something else. I said to auto battle every once in
a while and let it just play itself. And that's totally cool too.
I'm glad that's encouraging here apparently fourteen chapters, so you're close than anything.
Fantastic okay, alsopteen chapters than I really am at the end weird fourteen chapters
in the Rebirth also, so I already thought these games were maybe similar.
So that's funny. Do you think you are going to like dive into Rebirth
or does it seem a little exhausting effort because you don't normally play a really
big charpg like this is the idea of going from one of those right into
another one of those kind of a lot for you. It feels like a
lot for me. Yes, there's also Hey, I'm eyeing that Expedition's mud
Runner game, Like I have my eyeset on that, and it's like I
would like to kind of just throw myself into one of those again, so
I might see about like mixing some other stuff in before I go right to
Rebirth. But I mean, people have been talking it up, so you
know, I'm at least gonna start it. I'm gonna start it and we'll
see what happens. Cool beyond that, though, like I said, a
lotro the kids have been playing a bunch of stuff. I got Emmy the
two Hotel Transylvania games that they made. Because she's beent, like she is
all on Hotel Transylvania right now, we had to get her a Mavis costume.
She looked very cute, yes, and she like, you know,
she's not super into games anymore, but she saw this and she's like,
well, I'm gonna figure this out. And the reason she's not in the
games she gets frustrated pretty easily, so I have to kind of I'm there
for her, helping her out and stuff. But that was fun. And
then Emmy her at excuse me, was like, I want to play inc.
I'm like, oh, okay, you want to play Zelda? All
right, you want to plays link. I think she heard I had music
playing. I think Zelda music was playing, and she's like, oh,
yeah, Zelda, I've been meaning to play that. So I turned on
Tears of the Kingdom and she's been playing that for the last two days and
she's I think she's like slowly figuring things out. And I did like show
her how to begin piecing things together and how to use a send and she's
like mostly like, well I know that stuff can happen, can you come
do it for me right now? It's kind of actually where we're at.
But she's exploring the world and running around and she like, I killed a
wolf and it turned into meat. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty cool,
right, and she loves it, and every time she sees a wolf
now she's like, oh, kill it so we can get more meat.
And then I tried out to start like cooking food, and she's like,
well, this is great. Look what I made. Look what I made.
Look what I made. And she made dubious food, and that like
just tickled her so much. She's like, this is really funny. So
yeah, it's it's very interesting to see a kid get on board with a
game like that, where like you can kind of things work the way you
expect, which is I think always went been the magic of Breath of the
Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. When she chopped down a tree and it
just turned into this big log, She's like, oh my god, I
chopped out a tree. How does how did that work? That never works
in a game. I'm like, yeah, that's what this game is.
So it's been fun to kind of like experience that game again through her eyes.
I really like Tears of the Kingdom. It turns out it's some reason.
Randomly, I came across the clip of you, I mean you were
playing Pokemon Legends, and Addie was watching you, and you like you like
knocked out some kind of Pokemon that sort of looks like a lobster. So
she got upset and started hitting herself and crying. Oh God, yes,
but yes, that's she does that. If she gets very upset, she'll
still hit herself. It turns out, apparently I asked, that's a normal
behavior for a little girl, like really fun because it gets you or something.
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely yep. Probably all right, that is
it for me, though I am looking forward to seeing like a dragon through
I you know, if someone were to like tell me the things that I'm
experienced right now were like pacing issues for them, and I think people have
said that, I would be like, yeah, I believe you. But
I think this is why I'm like, I think I'm with you on what
you're saying about Final Fantasy vin Rebirth is. I bet once I'm in that
stuff too, I'll be very glad that, especially if it's like fun stuff.
I'm like, I don't care about the pacing issues with that stuff.
Because if I'm having a good time, I'll be fine. So yeah,
cool. It's cool to have so many good video games right now, and
there's a whole bunch more all happening at the same time in the first two
months, like Prince of Persia Lost Crown feels like a lifetime ago. Yes,
it does, absolutely. I did just uh, let's send that game
to someone who sent me the VCR so Creaky Legs actually, so I was
like, yeah, here here's the cop the game. I said I would
get you for sending me a vc R. So I was thinking about a
little bit souse. I'm like, yeah, that game is so good.
You give stuff to people an ici. I feel like I owe Joisy something
out there that Mortal Combat needs. I was like, I'll pay for it,
and they were like, well no, I mean just like, maybe
just give me a game on so I'll say on Steam. And then they
said they wanted to play this game, like, I'll just I'll get that
for you right now. So it worked out. All right, Mikey,
let's get out of here. I'm gonna hit the button that's the wrong button.
Yeah, we might have more super Chats. How many more do we
have? Yes? Let's hit these Our truth says Chris and Turtle Sean,
what's up? My nomination for two thousand and six Game of the Year is
Terminator to Judgment Day. Thank you, our Truth. I think this is
someone in the character of Our Truth right here and confused about the subject of
the week. Our Truth. You're welcome here anytime. Achievement says I was
sad when PERSONA three didn't let me f the old couple. Wow. Wow,
Wow, he's it, but it's a balid, it's a valley complaint.
Mikey O'Leary says that Sora amiebo I mentioned the other day is all yours
Mike's packs. That'd be incredible. Yeah, actually I think I did you
realizing those plans actually right after this. Oh fantastic. Yeah, you kid.
If you want to ship it to me too, we can do that
because then I have to get that thing home anyway. So we'll talk.
We'll talk, but thank you. Yeah, and he won't get you something
nice in return. Can we discovered tonight? Uh? Thanks for hanging out
tonight, Mikey O'Leary, always so good to see you. All right,
let's see here. I think that is going to do it. Let's hit
the button for real this time. Uh, Like, now you're gonna play
more Final Fantasy seven Rebirth? What's up next time? Yeah? Because like
because like when I was playing it for a while doing everything and then I
kind of you know, mainline the quest for a while, there's a lot
of stuff I still really want to see through. I don't know if I'm
going to like one hundred percent, but there's a lot of stuff I definitely
want to wrap up. So not right away. He's a little break.
I played like thirty hours of it the last couple of days, but yeah,
I'm definitely gonna jump back in there pretty pretty soon. Yeah. I
think I'm going to make a deliberate effort to once I get through it like
a dragon, to spend a couple of days just playing nothing but hell Divers.
And that's what I want. Yeah, I want to play democracy together.
Let's go spread some democracy. I did what I did rewatch Starship Krueper's
because of all the conversation. Yeah, and I forget. It's like he's
just that Michael Ironside's just there teaching class. He's like this is why democracy
failed. And I'm like, oh shit, I like I forget about that,
Like, oh, they live in a not non democratic society and all
that stuff. It's a god, it's a good movie. Yeah. I
am going to play some hell Divers mor Bilatro for sure. Looking forward to
geting to Expeditions when that comes out. A whole bunch of other stuff all
happen, and a ton of good games so far this year. Cool?
Cool, Like you got any plans for the weekend other than that there's a
kid's birthday party. I have to go too. I don't know if I'm
watching Lemination Chap or probably guys. I definitely want to. Well, I
just want to. I don't know if anybody wants to watch it with me,
so I have to figure that out. I want to sleep. I
want to sleep. I don't sleep till seven pm, but I want to
sleep. Yeah, I'm gonna be cleaning up the house. Might pop on
on that two hundredth episode of Xbox Era, hang out with them for a
few mill Yeah, I pop into like got invited that. I know when
you pop in there maybe again, Yeah, we'll I'll look in there.
Yeah that sounds good. But you want to clean up the house a little
bit and kind of getting out of hands because we've been so busy. And
then and then yeah, sleep, that sounds real good. Maybe recovery even
Uh, but we will have stuff on on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Upf I'm
probably gonna be playing Super Mario Maker. That seems to be the plan now,
so look out for that. It should be a good time playing some
old Dan levels. All right, everybody, thanks for listening, have a
good one. To take care of yourself, and goodbye your force. Someone
says no smt ain't it, and I'm gonna reply to them with no comma
s MT ain't it. I'm a dick. You are bye bye, all
right, we're out. I'm gonna lower my heat. Do you get you
get? You get the runs? I think it's the fucking crime that they
gave fucking fifteen one thousand minutes to that ugly ass fucking video game of Grounded,
and they gave him five seconds to pantamen one of like ground It was
made by a small team. All right, you know you want to attack
it? Okay, furious the universe is out of balance now and are going
to play Grounded, And you guys are going to be so jealous when you're
not invited. I like I'm going to say anything about that. Thank you,
Mike, you're doing it. That's big of you. Oh my god,
I forgot it's your thing. That really feels like a game that has
that's twenty millions, the twenty million super engaged players. Sure, I love
it, he said. Look, I just always laugh at like that player's
number. I mean we know that that player's number is people who turn it
on once? Right, Yes, I know you know now that doesn't mean
well a certain person matters. I understand it's still but my iye rolling,
still is it? That's a little bit Mike. We hear guys doing their
thing, doing mathematics on his friend. Okay, let's go. Yeah,
we get back, we're gonna do super chats and then I can get set
up fromunt Rushmore and we'll just go right into that. Is that right,
that's what we're doing rushmore of j RPGs. Correct. Okay, yes,
that's right. Let's guess we can. We can bang that out and then
talk about what we've been playing other than Final Fantasy because I am starting to
feel sick again, so let's let's go right, I'll be all right,
are you guys alive in here. How's it going? No? Fuck,
no, I might I might have died earlier today, and this could all
just be like a flash before the end. Bro, I think I'm getting
sick. I feel like it's probably Zeka. I told you, Yeah,
I told you, I'm going to give it to your mother. No,
don't give Zeke to my mother. Okay, let's see ill. You have
no idea. The value of that is like a hundred thatsh It is a
fucking goal, bro, I love it. You know how to cheer me
up. I always just figured, like YouTube would like calculate that based on
current exchange rates. It's like, no, clearly it does not. You
can't. How do you calculate this fucking money that's just like constantly fluctating.
Is like crazy, to be fair, I type that into Google another Google
process. It's probably not like accurate either. Yeah, but but it definitely
should know that a hundred Argentina and Argentine paties. It ain't. It has
never been close to anything like maybe in the nies maybe then no, no,
yeah, thirty years ago for sure. Oh no, it's way worse
than Yeah, it's a it's a monetary crisis, yes, it's really bad.
She's hitting the she's hitting the fun around here. Uh. I say,
oh, I had to do something, and I stepped out. And
maybe that's when you talk about the super chest thing. Probably I was gonna
say. I got here like thirty minutes later, and I know that they
were talking. I was very confused because it was like, just like,
all right, Mike, you want me to reach super chats Like, yeah,
I want you to do for both they beat Christian chats like White Jeffrey.
I wasn't angry. I was just asking what was going on. I
just bro just. I wasn't yelling at nobody. I know you would like
to feel like a victim this in in Ah. An American would feel that
way. Why are you attacking us? All right? I think I am
good to bring us back in. Let me just get this up on the
screen. I also watching cap Cup copy. Oh thanks, I'll talk to
you Gus about that later. That. It's the name of the Perfect the
fighting game we s called two x k O. I think they didn't like
it. It's a good name, but I kind of like weird. It's
weird. I think they didn't want. They didn't want because every other game
is like Legald Listen Lessien's on Rutter riffs fucking apart. I don't know the
other name of the other game, but the hell yeah no don't Yeah,
it's legal Leschen. But we're kind of we're gonna like detached a little bit
of a maybe the name. I think it's okay, where the hell did
my face go? All right, let's do this. I think we can
bring it back. That was fun. Yeah, it was great. Good.
I amologize to the map and the Pokemon fans. Yeah, no,
we get it. You hate us. Never apologies. Okay, all right,
that's posted. Let's bring it back in and we'll get through this pretty
quick because a final Fantasy seven rebirth. I'm sure it's been taking up most
of your time. Yes, absolutely,