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Wade Killer Pro Wrestling podcast ten years
ago. This week, Travis Bryan from

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the Kilt Tortis postcast joined me on
the flagship and we talked about whether Ross's

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final angle helped or hurt Daniel Brian
helped or hurt Randy Orton. Also did

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triplations, Stephan and McMahon have their
best night yet We're being sarcastic. Listen

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to find out. Also, what
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We had live calls and emails sprinkled
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on October first, twenty thirteen,
and it is today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling

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Podcast ten years ago Flightship Flashback for
Monday, October two, twenty twenty three.

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Here we go, Welcome to the
p Wtrch Live Cast. I am

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Wade Keller, editor and publisher of
the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter since nineteen eighty

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seven and also pwtorch dot Com since
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two thousand and eight on iPhone,
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host of THEPW Torch Livecast since late
two thousand and nine. I host on

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Tuesday's End Friday's Friday's Our Interview Friday, where we have a special guest every

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Friday. Last last Friday, we
had Alex Greenfield, former WWE creative team

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member, who spent nearly two hours
with me discussing fascinating behind the scene stories

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on WWE, including his experiences with
Triple H and Stephanie McMahon back in the

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mid two thousands. Nearly two hours, including by the way, the VP

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after Show. Some of the best
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as VP members have been buzzing about
that since Friday. This coming Friday,

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by the way, Matt Morgan our
scheduled guest. He is a return guest.

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Last time he was on the show, he was with TNA, and

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I'm not saying he held back,
but you know, you get a different

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interview when someone is with the company
versus feeling free to speak a little more

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openly because there's not a PR person
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a student of the industry and in
the news. Where will he land

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next or is he a victim of
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paying anyone but WWB doesn't want anyone
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a lot of good stuff. This
Coming Friday starts sending your email questions in

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Wrestling dot Net on Tuesday's Jason is
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I am excited to present your co
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normally co hosts Mondays with Bruce Mitchellan
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at Travis twavet right East coastcast dot
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Yeah, it's great to have you
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we only done Tuesday live cast together
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live cast end of nine, beginning
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on Mondays because of Bruce, welcome
to Welcome to Tuesdays. Uh, and

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you listen on Tuesdays, it'll be
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we encourage you to check out the
East Coast Cast. It is not a

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a PG show like like the live
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if you, uh, Travis,
if you describe what it is about the

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East Coast Cast for people who aren't
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them to the show. How do
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week? It's completely unfiltered. It's
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We take any and all calls,
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take fun of them. But we
we just talk wrestling, and we invite

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anybody to talk about any topic,
and we mean any topic, and wrestling

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kind of is just a bit of
a backdrop at times. But no,

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but when we do talk wrestling,
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it's it's just from from the perspective
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You know, at the moment what
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like guys. No, you know, no, no one's listening in except

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you know, hopefully hundreds are thousands
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uh we keeps it. Uh absolutely
one hundred. Who who's this? Uh?

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Who's this co host? You speak
of? Bar dre Pernell, the

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uh the soft spoken Uh, he's
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u a great co host and a
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follow him at pernell b by the
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my impersonation of him is yeah,
as far as it goes all right,

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dre is that you? Yeah?
All right? Well let's uh, let's

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shift. Oh. By the way, Travis Bryant also is a participant in

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torches on all our platforms. We
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up or flipping it around. So
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now going to be an app exclusive
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Star Panel is going to be a
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flip back in November. But we
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and same thing. People who are
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get them over to our website and
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if you're used to reading Travis's answers
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it on the web, you have
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you, freeloaders, we you're gonna
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the website. As always, tread
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Travis. Let's let's shift gears to
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which is last night's edition of Monday
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Raw leading to Battleground. There's a
lot of ways we can go with this.

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We're gonna get to call soon,
but I want to hit two or

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three talking points first, the first
one being Travis, did the final angle

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at the end do more good or
more harm to a selling Battleground b Daniel

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Bryan and see Randy Orton your thoughts
on that. I thought Rady Orton came

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out looking very strong. I mean, how could he have not. I

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think Battle Brown is going to do
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do. It's going to be historically
low buy rates. And it was the

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first all in Daniel Brian look and
no he was just a chump. I

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thought he had a pathetic showing.
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a lot of things to dissect,
and I did forty minute a forty minute

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recap of Raw last night, and
I'm not going to go in as much

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detail as they did for VP members
last night on this But the main issue

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that I had with Daniel Bryan,
among several and the way he was presented,

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is that the show ended with the
message to fans being Daniel Bryan is

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determined to win a match to win
the title on Sunday. We got that,

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I mean, he turned up the
volume, he seemed intense, and

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that was good, but but two
things were missing. One the sense of

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Daniel Bryan can actually beat Randy Orton, because Daniel Bryan took it to Orton

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at first, but then Orton,
with no heel, cheating, no nothing,

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just a straight up and up ring
sidebrawl, got the better of Daniel

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Bryan, got way the better of
Daniel Bryan. So it didn't exactly communicate

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the fans that you should be cheering
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What it kind of told fans is, yeah, Randy Orton's a tougher

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guy, but if you love Daniel
Bryan, maybe he'll get lucky on Sunday,

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which brings us to the second problem
Travis, which is, even if

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he gets lucky on Sunday and somehow
beats the guy who just beat the crap

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out of him on rawn a one
on one, even Stephen fair fight,

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even if he gets lucky and wins, because you know, he did win

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last month, that he did pin
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about that, Daniel Bryan didn't address, nor did the announcers, nor did

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anybody the elephant in the room,
which is, if Daniel Bryan wins,

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will it beat the third month in
a row that management Tripleach and Stephanie decide

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they don't want him to be the
face of their company and they're going to

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find a way to get the title
off of him again. How does that

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not get talked about the last two
weeks by Daniel Bryan, who's just kind

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of happy, go lucky. Hey, I'm just gonna try again, ignoring

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the fact that even if he succeeds
Travis, there's a history that Tripleach will

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find a way to get it from
him, and the announcers aren't even talking

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about it. And to me,
maybe it's a positive because they've realized it's

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a bad storyline. They don't want
to draw attention to it, but it

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is a gaping storyline hole, and
I think viewers needed something better to transition

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away from having no hope than we
just deciding we're just gonna drop it and

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not talk about it and hope people
forget right. I think people just assume,

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well, there's going to be something
wonky and it's finished. Why wouldn't

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it be, That's why. And
again that's going to go into the historically

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low by rate that I'm predicting.
Yea, and I just I don't,

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I don't get again, I'm I'm
a bit baffled myself. Like people at

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home, they're sitting there, were
waiting for this obvious issue to be addressed.

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And again, for two weeks,
we only had three weeks to build

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this damn thing. But for two
weeks he doesn't even say anything, and

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then this week his comeback is about
motivation. And I don't need anyone to

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be motivated to get the title.
Not I'm going to you know, even

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without even addressing still without even addressing
yeah, if I win, they could

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take it away from it at any
time, but just push I mean you

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could have just push through that.
They'll take it from me and I'll beat

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you again because I beat you.
That's what I do. I beat you,

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Randy, and I'm going to pop
your little shoulder out of its socket

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and you're going to tap out,
and I'm going to beat it three time

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champions and then if I need to
beat a four times hit. But none

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of that, none of it,
not a bit. And it pissed me

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off watching and he didn't even touch
on anything, and he went off into

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this thing about motivation, and yeah, it came across and what we got

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two references to viril in one show. And when you see a word that

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you normally don't hear talked about,
it's because the same writer probably promo for

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two guys and just use the same
word. This felt like the writer sat

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down and said, Okay, how
are we going to have Randy Orton talk

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about what you know, Triple Ahi
not giving him the title? How does

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that make sense? You know?
Because they're trying to they plant their flagpole,

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which is well, Triple agis trying
to prove that he's objective. He's

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really not, but he'll do little
things now and then to kind of show

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he does what's best for business and
is objective and that he is trying to

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convey to fans. I'm going to
be even handed, but there's always an

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ultraior motive, and the ultraior motive
their storyline is that Triplachi didn't just give

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Randy Orton the title back because well
we kind of saw with Stephanie they wanted

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to bring the killer instinct out in
him. So Daniel Brown was playing off

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that last night, and I understand
it. I don't think it's a great

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storyline, but it just it did
come across as kind of clunky, and

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I don't again, I see these
storylines that involve Orton, Bryan and de

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facto Triplachian steph being done through this
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keep Triplachian Stephanie making sense but not
really thinking how do we keep Daniel Bryan

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himself strong? And the things you
said, Travis are what fans of Daniel

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Bryan want to hear, and that's
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just like common sense, like why
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you on raw leading up to this, like in this summer, I've beatn

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you. Excuse me, I've beatn
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Fast count. You know nothing he
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count? Yeah, and why hasn't
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Brian touched on this maybe a week
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we supposedly Brian and he not Hevner
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Triple Chian and stuff said it.
They disgraced themselves, disgraced the company,

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disgraced the industry. But he got
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beat up every week. Ye,
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disgraces, I mean, that's a
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trying to win. He's a he's
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too too logical and and and I
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well, we kind of want some
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you know, honest. We can't
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do and maybe this is this would
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satisfy the board of directors, and
they don't really talk about them. They

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don't act like Stephanie and Triple Aachi
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That just varies. If they don't, that's quarter and quarter. Well,

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no, they don't talk about it. But if the if, the

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implication is, and I'm giving them
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What you what I talked about last
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own story That was the number one
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East Coast cast WW, making their
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maybe Triple just being dubious here,
but that's ridiculous. Yeah, no,

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you're you're right, and you're about
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more credit than I mean, it's
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to do is find the motivation for
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the with the conclusion being they need
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not leave it to the to the
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it. But I'm just trying to
think where in Triple h's mind. Does

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he come why does he want to
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that well, I need to create
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best for business because the board of
directors is overseeing things and we ultimately do

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on occasion answer to them. If
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it. If it's not the story, what they're doing does not make sense.

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Let's let's talk about something else real
quick in that, and then we'll

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go right to calls after that.
See them right back and Paul Hayman very

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odd, memorable, but very odd. Uh, all kinds of subtexts,

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some speculative. I can't even begin
to go into some of the things that

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I think they're trying to do with
this storyline. Did you hate it?

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Did you find it so absurd?
It was actually kind of funny? Where

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did you fall on this one?
I didn't hate it. I found it

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so absurd that it was absurd.
I didn't think it's funny. I mean

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I was kind of like, that
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Yeah, exactly creative. Okay,
I get it because you're guys right,

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you know, I got okay.
But besides that, it was just absurd

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and like what the hell? But
again, I didn't hate it. It

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was just like, okay, that
was that was a different Now remember that,

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Yeah, because it was good,
But I don't, like you said

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it was memorable? Is the point
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wait, but the line will you
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wondering, like, what's he going
to ask him? Yeah, because he's

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not going to ask him to marry
him it, yes, you know,

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but okay, so that it was
kind of like, oh that was cute.

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Yeah, they had to go somewhere
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is the idea to just I mean, is this just getting heat on Paul

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Hayman for uh my how to get
I think I think people are going to

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be like, look, oh shucks, Like Hayman went out there and entertained

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us with the with the you know, thanks man. I think that's kind

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of weird. Do you think we're
supposed to believe, Travis that Paul Hayman

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is really infatuated with Rybeck and kind
of a a straight man gay for him

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type way? Like literally, I
mean I guess. I mean that's a

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fine. I mean, I could
I could buy the storyline, but but

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not No, No, I'm supposed
to believe Paul Hayman picked but but again

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he saved him. And it's like, hey, you know, okay,

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that's a that's a somewhat logical you
know, emotion or you know, whatever

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it to have Okay, you can
play off that. That's different. That's

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fine, that's cool. But no, I'm I don't think to answer the

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question. We're not supposed to believe
it. It's fine, it's kind of

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Kafavid. Yeah, sure, all
right, Yeah, I just want to

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make sure I don't go a full
twenty minute. I can't believe I had

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it got in eighteen minutes. It's
flying by. I don't want to go

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full twenty minutes, just without saying
breaking bad. Okay, I got all

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the way the chat room wanted that, Travis. Do you watch that show?

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By the way, I do not. Okay, you gotta watch it.

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Then here comes the lecture. Now
that's it. You just gotta watch.

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It's good. All right. Ratings
are in and Raw last night did

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a two point Have you seen the
rating? Strad No, but now I

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know they did a two point something. Yep, I don't know. I

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didn't guess because Bruce didn't ask.
I don't know what's your guests. From

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my prediction, I think they would
have done what they did the week before.

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The two point eight one was last
week slightly off to eight eight six,

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Yeah, two point six eight,
so they were down a little bit

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more than you thought. Not a
great deal. But it is the lowest

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rating since Memorial Day. It's lowest
rating I having my chart going back to

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May. That sounds bad in a
way. It is bad. If you

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would have asked me when they started
three hour raw where they'd be on a

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you know, September thirtieth, twenty
thirteen, I mean I would have said

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probably in the two point five range. I mean just I thought, you

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know, the three hour raw is
gonna water down the rating. I know

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you don't like talking about ratings,
but it's no, no, no,

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no, no, no, I
actually have no I love ratings. So

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and I bring this question. I
mean, viewer versus viewership. You like

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viewership nuver spending? Right? Oh
yeah, you know I'm a viewership No,

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but still the whole thing. I
like it. But why do we

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still talk about ratings? Wait?
I just want to ask that question,

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you know, and there's not the
Monday Night Wars anymore. Why does it

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matter? No? No, no, I no, I'm gonna answer it.

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Because we yet more access across the
board demographically historically and source to source

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to source, we get more rating
numbers than we do viewership numbers. So

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in order to be able to present
a comparison in terms of demographics when we

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do the key demo numbers, and
in order to have consistency from source to

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source, because sometimes you get ratings
from one place before another. In some

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places give us just ratings, other
sources give us ratings and viewership. Why

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is it news? But why do
we That's on my point, why the

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whole thing? Why do we talk
about it like in comparison to what?

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And again it's and it's it's coming
out of that question. Well, there

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is no more nitro to compare it
with. So why is it even something

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we look? You know, if
it goes up five percent, it's like,

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that's not a news story, Like, shut up about it? Just

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kind okay. So you're not asking
why do we talk about ratings as opposed

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to viewership. You're saying, why
do we talk about ratings and viewership period

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the idea as a story rating?
It's because everybody in the wrestling industry cares

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about it. I mean, it's
the death. I mean, yes,

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we could only talk about it once
every three months if we wanted to,

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and we'd cover the same territory.
But we cover wrestling every single day,

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and the fact that it did at
two point six eight and not a two

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point two point nine six, says
the trend is a little bit down to

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stead of a little bit up.
I mean, I don't think we should

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blow it out of proportion, but
right now the rating is in, and

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right now it's the top story of
the hour in you know, two days,

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rods doing you know, between two
point six and two point nine most

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weeks, same thing with Impact.
It's a story for a day. But

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generally speaking it's the larger issue is
what it's the long term trend. But

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I think we cover both, you
know, at the Torch pretty fairly,

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and we try to give the big
picture of you speaking a big picture,

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Travis. A year ago they did
a two point five four ratings, so

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they're actually up from where they were
a year ago on the same episode of

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Ross. So in that sense,
it's a big three because they're a year

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further into doing three hour format and
they've managed, even without John Cena,

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to be above year ago numbers.
So if ww E just looking to pat

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themselves on the back, that's actually
a legitimate reason to pack them pat themselves

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on the back. Sure, yeah, all right, let's let's go to

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the phone lines and see what callers
have to say. Got number of people

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on hold? You can get in
line six four six, seven, two

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one nine eight two eight if you
joined us Midstream Live. Travis Bryant is

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my guest of the East Coast Cast, a PU Torch contributor for how many

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years have you been doing the East
Coast Castle? Five year? Oh for

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the East Coast Cast? Yeah?
Oh crap, Well it's like this three

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years this September. Yeah, I
thought you got just celebrating anniversary. So

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well it's five years as East Coast
Audio with the Torch period and in three

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years on blow Talk Radio. Now
awesome, very cool. So Travis usually

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co hosts Bruce on Mondays and sometimes
he talks a lot, and sometimes Bruce

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doesn't let him talk much at all. Just depends on the week. And

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if I if I, if I'm
if I allow Bruce to spell, we

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roll you. Yeah. All right, well let's let's go phone up phone

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our phone calls first and begin with
there it codes six five one on deck

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five six one and two O two
six five one. Please state your name

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and where you're from. Hey,
wait, this is Mike from Woodberry.

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How are you doing today doing good. Haven't heard from you in a while.

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What's up? What do you got
for us? Well, yeah,

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I'm finally available this time of day, so that's good. Yeah. A

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couple a couple of questions for you, and one I think i'd like to

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hear your thoughts. And this might
be a better question for an online audio

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or a article on the Torch,
But you were really gung ho about right

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around WrestleMania time, thinking the next
six weeks are going to be very pivotal,

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and coming out of it the six
weeks after WrestleMania, and I actually

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had three very good pay per views
in a row kind of between WrestleMania and

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then in the Summer Slam. It's
all kind of come to a screeching halt,

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obviously, And I want to know
where you kind of see some of

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the lower card guys like the Wyatt's
and Fandango who had a lot of backing

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at first and they cooled off considerably. I want, I wanted your thoughts

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on where some of those lower mid
card guys are at right now and where

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you see Dusty Rhodes involvement this Sunday
at the pay per view as well.

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Cool? Yeah, good, topics, Tarvis, I gotta throw to you

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first. How do you think ww's
done with? I don't even know if

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mid Carter's right. Were new characters
like Fon Donggo and the Wyatt who happened

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to be you know, Fondango's certainly
a mid Carter. Your thoughts on how

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ww's done since April and may with
anybody look this up last night with Bruce

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that we're a year into this talent, this use infusion. I think,

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you know with the starting if you
want to started with the Shield. They

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showed up in like October and and
here we are a year later, and

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who are these guys? Who are
these people? Like the why it's I

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mean they've only been around four months
or so, but still, who who

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are these people? What's their motivation? Why are they here? Why do

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they care about being in this structure
of pro wrestling? We don't know who

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We just don't know who they are. And that's where they really would have

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boiled down to. And I think
that's kind of that's going to be the

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norm. We're not gonna I mean, because do we really even know who

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John Seena is? I think we
know who John Seena is, well,

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character yeah, No, that's why
I'm yeah, but he's well, yeah,

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they've hadn't didn't have much choice with
when they push and push and push.

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You got to kind of flush those
things out. But we don't know

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00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.240
who these these people are, and
and become WrestleMania thirty, they're just going

406
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.839
to be a few of them,
not all of those guys are going to

407
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.599
be on WrestleMania, and they're going
to just be cogs in that opening hour

408
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.240
that opened in two hours of WrestleMania. And I don't think they're going to

409
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.319
mean anything. Yeah maybe the shield. The shield meant something at WrestleMania twenty

410
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.920
nine, and they'll mean something,
yeah, but that's it. Do you

411
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.759
think Fondegos has gotten the appropriate push, Travis since his you know EBB and

412
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.759
flow since his debut? Yes,
yeah, I kind of do too.

413
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.880
You know, I know some people
thought because of a big crowd reaction after

414
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.119
Assomania, and I just yeah,
I think because of some of the crowd

415
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.240
reactions to Fondogo, people have thought, well, he should get a bigger

416
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.240
push, And I mean, you
know, watching him on Total Deep you

417
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.240
watch Total devis right, Travis,
and you've got your opinions on the show,

418
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:52.079
I thought Mark Curtis or what's Fondago's
real name, Johnny Johnny Curtis,

419
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.839
thank you, Yeah, I was. I always think Mark Curtis and always

420
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.640
trot myself up. What do you
think of how he came across on that

421
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:07.000
show? He came across like well, in the early stuff he was just

422
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.400
kind of backstage, but then when
he got the one episode he was a

423
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.599
featured a little bit in he was
a you know, some scum bad guy.

424
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.400
Yeah. Like, I just not
really fault him for that. He's

425
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.279
just trying to score with the hot
chick right right ad at him. Yeah,

426
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.400
if the way he went about it, like, gee, that's your

427
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:32.039
that's what you do. Yeah,
I guess with with with his character,

428
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.079
I mean it is it's just kind
of a one note gimmick and until well,

429
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.880
his gimmick in the n XT though, Wait, he was the creepy

430
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.400
I mean, and that's like who
he is. That's I think that's how

431
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:47.759
why he came across. When I
saw the Hilda Deeva stuff, I'm like,

432
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.359
oh, no, wonder the creeper
gimmick and the n HT works so

433
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.960
well because it's just him and he's
like Oh, I can do it these

434
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.039
like fantasy things or I'm like smelling
girls feet and coming up from behind him

435
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.319
and crying it on him. Oh
yeah, sure, I can put my

436
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:07.279
all into that absolutely. So I
guess my point is is Fondango's character,

437
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.640
the Fandango character is somewhat limiting,
and it has a certain spot, and

438
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:17.400
it's kind of likes Los Metadores with
El Tardo. It's there to play a

439
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.559
certain role. It's kind of the
broadest play spot. You know. You're

440
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.839
there to add a little zas,
a little collar, a little circus like

441
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.920
atmosphere to www house shows, so
that it, you know, but but

442
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.240
there's a certain spot for it,
and there's a certain limit on it,

443
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.759
and it takes something special to break
away from it. And I just don't

444
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.079
think Fondango has shown me that he
should be much higher on the cards.

445
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.880
So I'm actually fine with where I'm
fine, not great, but fine with

446
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.559
what they've done with with with him, and actually even the shield. I

447
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.160
know, people, I have a
bigger problem with Dolf Siegler and and Uh

448
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.559
and Daniel Bryan. I don't think
they should have turned Dolf unless they were

449
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.839
ready to really go all out with
him as a baby face, because I

450
00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.480
think they've lost the lightning bolt of
energy get from turning somebody if you turn

451
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.519
them and you're not ready to push
them. And I know the concussion screwed

452
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.440
it up and that would be their
excuse. But that's to me the biggest

453
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.240
loss since then. But I mean, just looking at the Rosterman, they

454
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.720
lost John Cena. I don't think
the tribes had the wide family lost momentum

455
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.680
or are they just kind of treading
water until the next stage and whatever the

456
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.279
next thing you're done, Well,
I think just I think just by almost

457
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.599
by default they've had they had no
choice but to lose momentum. They aren't

458
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.599
gonna come in with those in those
vignettes, and then the whole mystique,

459
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.839
I oh, what are they going
to look like in the ring? Okay,

460
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.119
well what were you going to look
like? In singles? What are

461
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.559
they gonna look like? Beating up
people are gonna look like? Selling?

462
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.839
And so yeah, sure they've lost
momentum, but they've lost it, and

463
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.000
then they're still they're still getting featured. They're still they're kind of in in

464
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.480
their spot. They're not going up, they're not going down. They're you

465
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.759
know, they'll beat up three and
B every week or you know, I

466
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.519
wonder it'll be interesting to see what
they do when they if they put him

467
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.640
in there with Lows Matadors, or
will they you know, keep them apart.

468
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.319
Not because I think Lewis Madadors has
some kind of drawing power or ability

469
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.680
to get over in the future.
I just it would be interesting if they

470
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.599
just to see it's like immediate squash
these guys, all right, just established

471
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.279
him as a joke Mattador thing with
the little guy in the in the silly

472
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.680
suit, in the Philly full thing. So yeah, I mean, I

473
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.720
think when they decide to turn up
the White Family and get him in a

474
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.039
full fledged program and not just kind
of have them in they're kind of treading

475
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.480
water introductory phase. They did the
thing with Kine that's going to resolve itself

476
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.160
at some point. And you know, I mean the fact that the announcers

477
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.720
aren't talking more about it and talk
a little bit about it, but it's

478
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.759
kind of weird. Well, I
was just watching it. Oh it was

479
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.240
what I was watching the Nitro from
nineteen ninety seven yesterday while doing some bookkeeping

480
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.279
for the business, and uh,
and it was like Tony Schmony's like,

481
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.200
we haven't seen Sting for six weeks. Where is he? Everyone's talking about

482
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.039
it, and it reminded me of
the Kane storyline. Kane's gone missing,

483
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.839
and it's just it seems like it's
it, but who cares. When he

484
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.079
comes back, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, they kind of

485
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.880
dropped the thing on his head sort
of, And I just think, yeah,

486
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.240
I know all about that clap for
this because it's Kane and he's back.

487
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:24.079
I guess I didn't really realize he
was going, but okay, yeah,

488
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.839
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489
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.359
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sign up for him. Hey,
Mike, remind me of your second question.

499
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.280
Uh, where you guys see Dusty
Rhodes involvement Sunday. There have been

500
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.840
rumors that he was going to be
in the match. I'm really glad to

501
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.880
see he's not because of his advanced
age, and I'd like to see him

502
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.239
not wrestful because of what happened to
Jerry Ler quite frankly, but I want

503
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:44.000
to see I want to know what
you guys think coming this Sunday, Travis.

504
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.639
I just watching Dusty roll into the
ring last night. I mean it's

505
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.000
clear that they're just from watching him
move and then the way that the Shield,

506
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.400
you know, they've they've prevented him
big show hugging him so we don't

507
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.159
take a bump, the Shield stomping
on him from a down position, not

508
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.840
having him take a bump. They're
being very careful with Dusty. They don't

509
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:01.079
want, you know, an issue, and I mean Jerry Lawler in a

510
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.880
way was an isolated incident. But
it also isn't in the sense that people

511
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.920
even without Jerry Lawler, I don't. Yeah, you want, but these

512
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.119
are the same people that put may
Young out there in those situations. So

513
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.920
I still I still have that image
Travis made almost fell through the rose bad

514
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.039
was right there, which you on
edge of my seat, like only crad

515
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.280
somebody grabber no no yeah, no, yeah yeah. And more than just

516
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.159
getting thrown through the table and all
that stuff, the the image of her

517
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.599
almost all looking backwards through those groups. I mean, and we haven't seen

518
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.320
her do anything since then. I
think w E was like, okay,

519
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.239
we that was that was true.
She's on someone's arm every two people are

520
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.880
like walk with her every time she's
on camera. And so yeah, even

521
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.840
without Lawler, you don't have Dusty
doing anything. And I think they officially

522
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.119
said he wants. His stipulation is
I want to be in their corner so

523
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:58.519
they'll provide typical kind of you know, rallying cries for the baby faces and

524
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.079
some distraction, you know, and
a thing for the camera to focus on

525
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.679
during the match. Do we get
a b I think we have to get

526
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.519
a bone elbow. Don't we do
the shield charge at them one at a

527
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.960
time and take some bone elbows.
Would that get a pop or is that

528
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.400
two n WA or what? I
don't think. I don't think even I

529
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.639
don't think it would Buffalo. I
don't know, but it's a pay per

530
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.559
view audience. I still I think
the pop would be tepping at best.

531
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.079
Uh. But even if even if
they knew we could over, I don't

532
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.320
think they would he would do it. What would you? I don't think

533
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.320
they would allow they would. I
don't think they would script that to happen.

534
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.519
No. As a sidebar to Mike's
main question, what do you think

535
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.800
of of of Triple H's a portrayal
of Dusty as you know, not making

536
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.840
it outside of that, that little
n WA thing that he was part of

537
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.320
it, the little Florida things,
Florida mad even well he said Florida and

538
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.800
that n w A but liked he
okay, yeah, he said, you

539
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.760
know, you're bitter because you didn't
make it outside of Florida. And I

540
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.239
think he said something like that,
that n WA thing, you know that

541
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.880
you're probably it was just it was
because Triple H. By the way,

542
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.800
I mean, there's times where Triple
A Harley race enthusiasts, and yeah,

543
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.400
yeah, Triple H knows his history
and he knows the end up with the

544
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.440
A was big. I know that
Stephanie may not know that because he grew

545
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.119
up in the McMahon could you know, Bubble. I mean, you know,

546
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:16.800
there's a sense if you're in New
York and you're in the Northeast and

547
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.079
you're part of the company that you
know won the eighties, won the nineties

548
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.679
and is dominant in the two thousands, you know you think, well,

549
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.280
we were always the biggest and by
far, and they just weren't. In

550
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.079
the end of WA was was huge. In fact, we have a asked

551
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.320
the Torch All Star panel question of
regarding who is bigger than a w A

552
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.960
or the n w A on Today's
on Today's post on the website that historians

553
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.320
Greg Oliver and George Shire responded to. But yeah, I mean the Triple

554
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.840
H knows better. He did that
to get heat with basically historian n WA

555
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.840
fans. He knows better. Do
you think Wait, if he could go

556
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:57.039
back and change, like if he
could go back twenty years or whenever he

557
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.719
started letting people know Harley Race was
his guy, and you just say,

558
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.400
you know, Bruno is my guy. So when all those DVDs when he's

559
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.679
talking about you know, he's like, oh yeah, Bruno grew up.

560
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.000
You know, I was raising you
know, the Northeast because it was my

561
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.119
guy every Saturday whatever, you know, instead of Harley R. I mean

562
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.920
that's kinda like, you know,
Vince is like, oh yeah, now's

563
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.719
your guy. Huh. It doesn't
matter at this point, but I just

564
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.840
wonder if he thinks about that.
Yeah, well yeah, so Mike,

565
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:30.760
did we cover your topics well?
And then some oh absolutely a great discussion.

566
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.639
Uh. The only two points I'll
leave you with that I kind of

567
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.679
have is, uh, you know, I think Triple H would have if

568
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.840
Killer Kowlowski was alive and needed to
be involved in an angle, somehow Triple

569
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.280
H would make fun of his two
pay I mean, there isn't anybody that's

570
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.239
safe from his rap. So I
just kind of brushed that up. I'm

571
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.079
not offended, but I wasn't offended
by that comment or anything any other kind

572
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.440
of sidebar comment I have is if
over the years, we're going to establish

573
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.400
that Daniel Bryant is a troll over
that a watch TV who is a vegan

574
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.000
and is weird and reads books and
stuff like that. If that's work,

575
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.320
if that's what we're going to establish, then uh, all that gets you

576
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.199
one of the Bellat twins at the
end of the day, then I'm gonna

577
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:22.159
stop watching television, quit eating meat, and grow facial hair because I because

578
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.360
whatever he has it, it obviously
worked. So I was kind of off

579
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.519
put by including one of the Bellat
twins and that kind of I don't know

580
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:35.960
which is which, to be quite
honest with you, Yeah, but nois

581
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.280
well one of them has plastic surgery
and the other one has it. I

582
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.559
don't know which is which. Okay, I'm just saying all that, But

583
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.280
but you're not saying you don't you
don't notice a difference. Just I don't

584
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.159
know who's okay, gotcha? Ah
yeah, yeah, okay, But that's

585
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.440
all. That's all. That's all
I'm saying. That's all. Leave you

586
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.599
with guys, Scot Daniel Bryant,
Thanks, thanks, Mike, appreciate it.

587
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.360
And way to shoe horn their relationship
in there and leave and then not

588
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.400
only so she can run out there
and boo, stop it, stop it,

589
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.480
you know, make him look even
more pathetic and weak. They got

590
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.960
beat up in front of his fiance
now not even his Carol is what a

591
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.920
chump? Why would I pay to
see him even if I know he's gonna

592
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.599
win? Like I don't whatever people
want fans, Yes, they like an

593
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.599
underdog, but they like an underdog. And Bruce has been sounding do you

594
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.800
have to end every statement with yes, yeah, or you know, like

595
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.639
every big like yeah. You know, it's like almost like what do you

596
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.480
like let the crowd pop themselves like
you don't have to. It's every instance,

597
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.760
it's it's popular, it's over now. You don't need to force it

598
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.400
to the point where it seems kind
of kind of clicheated, and it was

599
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.480
just weird, like you wouldn't say
yes at the end of what you just

600
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:57.719
said. Yeah, the does I
have almost my brain just doesn't want to

601
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.199
try to figure out what's going on
in the Diva's division on Raw and try

602
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:06.239
to meld that into what's going on
on Total Diva's. Try to explain to

603
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:13.039
me to help me understand. Does
what happened last night with Nikki and and

604
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.719
Daniel Bryan Brie and Daniel Bryan.
I think I was just thinking it's easy

605
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:22.920
to remember because it's anyway with Brian
and Dania Bryan. Does it make any

606
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.199
sense compared to what happened the last
three four weeks on Ross since they started

607
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.079
doing the Total Diva storyline, even
though they never really told people much about

608
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.079
enough to well, they hugged last
week, so that was your in,

609
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.559
Yeah, that was your you know, and I think, but how about

610
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:37.519
this in relation to a j and
what they're trying to do with that,

611
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.519
Well, Bree still was a heel. She's like doing the l and her

612
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.199
fourhead like loser. You know,
she's still a freaking jerk, you know,

613
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:51.199
and care as I'm Bree Bey,
you know, as Brie Bella,

614
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:59.000
the the Diva, the wrestler.
She's still you know, So it's yeah,

615
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:00.960
no, totally it. Yeah.
I mean this guy who like is

616
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:07.360
so socially conscious you would assume and
read books, how dare he and you

617
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.880
know takes care of his body inside
and now uh, he's like why would

618
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:17.639
he be with this, you know
exactly this lady? I know, yeah,

619
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.719
no it did. It's a mess
and it's just you know, they

620
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.280
they booked W W E books for
convenience on a week to week basis,

621
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:31.119
and they don't care about uh going
backwards, like and there's no spoilers here,

622
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.079
but I will do a breaking bad
reference because I did listen to Vin

623
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.639
skill against uh near hour and a
half plus, you know, like hour

624
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:38.800
and a half podcast yesterday. I
think he was on Colbert. I was

625
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.840
pretty good last night. Yeah,
yeah it was. And uh, you

626
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.519
shouldn't be watching any of any spoilers, Travis. You gotta watch the show

627
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.800
start to finish, a trial void
spoilers. The best show on television in

628
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.559
history, probably all right, the
but nevertheless, Vin Skilling was talking about

629
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.000
how when they when they are writing
scripts week to week, because they didn't

630
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.840
plan this whole series out start to
finish, there was not an outline for

631
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.199
the show they I mean the last
night on the podcast yesterday, Breaking that

632
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.480
Insider, he went over all these
different scenarios that they brainstormed, and I

633
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.519
mean, they clearly settled on the
best finish compared to all the other options

634
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.119
they thought of. But he said, what they would do is they go

635
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.519
back and think about what the actors
did at a little facial expression, a

636
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.000
little reaction that was just the actor
just being in the moment, and they

637
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.039
would look at that detail from two
seasons ago and go, we're going to

638
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.079
use that as a launching point for
this new direction for this character, because

639
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.519
fans of the show who pay attention
to detail will appreciate that rewarded them for

640
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.760
noticing that two years ago, and
that the actor was in the character felt

641
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.360
it reacted to the situation organically.
We're going to use that as a springboard

642
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.280
for this this season's direction that this
character goes in that rewards a viewer.

643
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.000
W w E is the opposite they
go Vincent Man's attitude is, well,

644
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.159
if it happened in the past,
nobody remembers, so we don't have to

645
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.079
worry about it. And by past, maybe that's even two or three weeks

646
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.960
ago. And if someone paid he's
really close attention to things, they're a

647
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.840
mark and they're stupid, and that's
not the business we're in. We're forward

648
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.400
thinking. It's like, it's such
different approaches to writing. And I know

649
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:12.599
there's somewhat different genres, but and
I said this on the Keller Hotline,

650
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.280
if you could make pro wrestling better
by simply being less lazy, being more

651
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.440
professional, and having a better attention
to detail and all other things are equal,

652
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.079
and you end up better, why
not do that? Because I think

653
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.360
there is a benefit to being consistent
with your narrative and caring week to week

654
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.920
about consistency and drawing from your history
in a way that makes sense. I

655
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.719
think that helps drive storylines. I
mean, Vince Gilligan went the first episode

656
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.639
of this season five. He did
two things where he had no idea where

657
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.519
they were leading, but there were
flagpoles he put in there, and he

658
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.880
says, we're going to have to
write with these things in mind to have

659
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.960
them make sense. And they weren't
so specific. He didn't know. He

660
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.800
wouldn't have lots of options, but
he had lots of directions. He could

661
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.480
have gone with it, but it
helped. It helped steer him. It

662
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.920
gave him a direction, goes,
we have to end up resolving this in

663
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.880
the end, he'll lead up.
We just sticks flight pulls in the ground

664
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.159
and they don't. They don't actually
care about whether they're going. It's gotten

665
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.519
to the point where not you don't
you're not getting the you're not getting the

666
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:20.440
typical it's just wrestling yeah kind of
attitude. Now it's like it's almost like,

667
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.840
uh, you know, like what
do you expect? Like you're looking

668
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.760
too much into it. The Internet's
like like Why is it an Internet thing?

669
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.039
Why? Like, Okay, this
is the platform to like bitch and

670
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.679
moan about it. Sure, but
it's not an Internet issue. It's like

671
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:42.960
a storytelling thing in you know.
So I think it's even it's even getting

672
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.519
more pervasive because it's like not even
just it's you know, just I come

673
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.599
on, it's just wrestling. It's
like now it's like you're looked at.

674
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.519
It's like, oh, you're in, and you're gonna complain about it too,

675
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.000
which you know, I guess I
understand because we could just not watch,

676
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.719
but there's nothing else to watch.
I want they want, They just

677
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:06.119
want us to eat, eat what
they serve us and not complain because they're

678
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:12.760
the royal great McMahon family and the
last surviving relevant wrestling promotion and and that

679
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.079
should that should tell us all we
need to know. So just you know,

680
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.239
eat what they serve us. And
you know, I mean, we

681
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.360
could do a five minute show and
just say how great they are, but

682
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.320
like I say, we're not.
We're not Triple H's mom and dad.

683
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.400
You know, we're not here to
just worship him. We're not fanboys for

684
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.800
w W who just go yeah,
you know, I mean I can be

685
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.760
somewhat of a fan boy for a
couple of my local sports teams, but

686
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.840
I don't disrespect. In fact,
I look to the reporters who are objective

687
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.280
and aren't you know, they're not
their worse for the team. You know

688
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:44.159
that in every other in every other
genre, that's expected. Camp Root,

689
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.400
you can't clamp your hands, Larry
Fitzgerald, Dan can't even you know,

690
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.280
pump his fish horse son. You
know, the press pause is in the

691
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.119
press box because there are reasons,
and in wrestling it's that's none of that

692
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.159
is respected. Yeah, absolutely,
all right, Well, let's try to

693
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.519
go to color number two forty five
minutes. Is in the show Travis our

694
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.719
number six or six seven, two
one, nine, eight two eight.

695
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.679
We are taking VIP members first on
the VIP Express line. If you're not

696
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:08.920
sure what that is, what we
tell you about it all the time on

697
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.559
vi IP audio, and we can't
say the secret on the air or people

698
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.079
would line cheat and steal to get
ahead and line. So let's go to

699
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:21.280
h air code five six one.
Next. Please stay to name and where

700
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.320
you're from. This is maps,
North Carolina. How's it going doing good?

701
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.679
Matt? Thanks for letting us know
you were calling ahead, What have

702
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.719
you got for us to stay?
Absolutely? I got three questions for you.

703
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.760
First, with the Breaking Bad talk
no spoilers, no spoilers, and

704
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:42.880
no spoilers just step okay, spoilers
all right, Breaking Bad and PW Torch

705
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.920
fans want to know what is Wake
Kellor. Star rating for the Breaking Bad

706
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:52.440
finale? Oh, five stars,
five starts awesome? Yeah eight I first

707
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.480
words out of my mouth, first
words out of my mouth, start Travis.

708
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.239
After it was over that the first
words were a plus. I mean,

709
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.519
I just I there's not I mean, there's a couple of things I

710
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.800
knitpicked on the Keller hotline, not
I talked about it. I did a

711
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.159
normal length Keller hot line on Sunday
night, and then I did like eight

712
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.760
minutes talking about Breaking Back because people
asked me to do that, you know,

713
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.400
and so you can tune out before
then. It's not like it was

714
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.960
in place of wrestling coverage. I'd
one email complaining going what you know?

715
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:22.679
But I was a spoiler spoiler running
all that. But yeah, I like

716
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.719
there are two or three little coincidences
that I think we're relatively unavoidable, not

717
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.280
a big deal. And if you
can kind of talk your way into seeing

718
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.760
how you know, Walter White probably
had alternate plans and things didn't work out

719
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.719
perfectly. And even even Vince Gilligan
acknowledged that on his podcast. Yeah,

720
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:38.639
you know, you kind of have
to if that didn't work, he could

721
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.320
have done this and that. But
yeah, A plus five stars absolutely greatest

722
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.440
finale to any series that I've seen. There's a lot of great series I

723
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.559
haven't seen. I haven't watched the
Sopranos yet, believe it or not.

724
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.800
But people who whose podcasts I listened
to watch all the series and rank them

725
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.000
all and love the Wire and the
Sopranos have justified the ones that have had

726
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.400
finales, the ones that are that
they believe are great, great series.

727
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.920
The Shield odds on and on there, and I know it's it's sort of

728
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.800
like, you know, when there's
a great USC fight, it's like greatest

729
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.800
fight ever. And Dana White kind
of makes fun of people at the press

730
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.320
conference going in three months, this
is going to blend in with all the

731
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.679
other great fights. You've just got
the adrenaline rush, and I get all

732
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.360
that. But the people who really
are critical the show when they think they

733
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:22.000
should be all Matt Unison in Unison, saying this was probably the greatest final

734
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.599
episode to one of the great all
times TV series. It just really came

735
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.719
together. Vince Kelligan's really happy with
it too. I mean you can just

736
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.199
tell he's proud of himself and the
staff. But that's it. I'm sorry

737
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.599
I'm gushing too much, but it's
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738
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:37.519
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even more benefits through Patreon. Go
ahead back, Yeah, I agree,

745
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:13.000
I loved it. Yeah. Two
more quick topic. It seems like the

746
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.000
storylines in WW are kind of going
backwards, like becoming more watered down instead

747
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.239
of you know, building up like
the CM punk thing like it started with

748
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.320
the Big Nats with Brock Glasmer and
then got watered down to Curtis Axel,

749
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.639
and now it's getting water down the
right back. No, right back,

750
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.880
Bryan, right back to step up
from Curtis. I disagree with you on

751
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.599
that, but it's clad's close,
all right. Well, someone on the

752
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.639
cham room sit there watering down the
Paul Hayman guy. Gimmick was right about,

753
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.599
you know, and I say,
Paul Hayman's life in the storyline.

754
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:45.880
So, I mean, my god, if you're gonna be Paul, if

755
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.480
you're not, if you save Paul
Hayman's life from a guy who wants to

756
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.920
break your face and you don't become
Paul Hayman guy from that, I can

757
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.639
I have storyline wise, I can
deal with that. But if you're if

758
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.920
you're one of those Internet smarts like
t Blache would snidely say, yeah,

759
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.079
right back, certainly isn't a Paul
Hayman guy in that rest. I don't

760
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.719
think Paul sat around a year ago
going, oh man, if I could

761
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.880
have just had him in ecor bys
and control of TNA, I try to

762
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.480
higher Ryback. I mean, I
don't think Ryback qualifies as a genuine Paul

763
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:14.679
Hayman guy. But I think Paul
Hayman had something something to say about him

764
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.920
being his next guy as opposed to
Big Ee or you know, somebody else.

765
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.159
Yeah, it just seems like the
storylines is going backwards, like like

766
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.880
even with Danie O'Brien, the belt
and the Jaws confetti and he beats John

767
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.440
Cena on the Big Gastommers plan on
stage, and now it's like it's just

768
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.199
becoming watered down with all this Randy
Orton Triple H stuff. It just seems

769
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.159
like their storylines are going in reverse, like all the big moments happened,

770
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.119
and now we're getting the water down
version rather than building up to those moments.

771
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.960
I totally hear that, Travis,
What do you think I mean,

772
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.840
I think he's I think he's on
the Sun's in a Yeah, Paul the

773
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.679
fuse. Yeah, if you're looking
at the like you know a graph or

774
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.320
a chart, yeah, it's peaking
around me. But but I would say

775
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.960
this in their defense that WrestleMania,
they booked to peak at Mania, they

776
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.480
booked to peak at SummerSlam, and
now we're kind of in the all season

777
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.639
where you know, like you said, you know it's NXT in the shield,

778
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.760
it's when they kind of try to
debut new new gimmick sometime you know,

779
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.719
between you know, sometime in September
and October tends to be when they

780
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.719
try to start some new stuff up. They've got the three pay per views

781
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.480
in a row rapid fire, so
they can't really do full fledge finishes.

782
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.719
I mean, there's just a lot
of things kind of seasonally working against this

783
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.800
being a peak period. They're going
to downshift a little bit headed into January

784
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:36.000
and March, and that's just that's
the nature and the ebb and flow of

785
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:37.920
w w E. They don't have
seasons, but they do, and this

786
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.239
is in a way a down season. So in that respect, I wouldn't

787
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.159
expect them to top rock Lessner or
to not be I mean, there's I'm

788
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.159
not saying there aren't better ways to
keep Daniel Bryan hot. But we shouldn't

789
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.000
be shocked that this isn't that we're
not seeing the Paul Hayman Punk feud growing

790
00:52:53.639 --> 00:53:00.039
Travis is them. Is CM punk
himself losing any ground in the way that

791
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.119
this storyline is going. Yeah,
I don't think he can say anything,

792
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:09.599
but yeah, yeah, but again
it's now losing ground. You want to

793
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.800
be a little more. I don't
know is is he is? He's spinning

794
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.920
his wheels a lit all? Is
he are? But that happens. I

795
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.960
mean you have to you know,
that's one of those things. It's like,

796
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.079
Okay, well you're not going to
be you know, you just look

797
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.760
at you know, you just look
at the last six you know, he's

798
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.599
just started January. You know,
Rock Rock, Undertaker, Brock. How

799
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.000
can you keep that? How can
in October? What could he do in

800
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.599
October that would make you say anything? But he's, uh, he's kind

801
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.079
of not really doing anything, Like
whoa look at what he at the first

802
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.280
half of this year, the first
two thirds of his year was like yeah,

803
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.559
you know, yeah, I mean
go Undertaker, right, no,

804
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.519
Rock Rock, then Undertaker, in
the Undertaker then Brock. Yeah, that's

805
00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:00.119
the ridiculous stretch of you know,
the main event talent working with yeah,

806
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.239
I mean Matt. With that in
mind, it would be tough to not

807
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:07.280
have to get the perception that Punk
is downshifting a little bit. I'm not

808
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.519
quite sure what they could have done
from a star Power standpoint to not make

809
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.480
it look like he's kind of moving
down an ouch with kurtif Axel and Rabbick,

810
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.800
which I just think those storylines should
have peaked with those moments rather and

811
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.920
then after those moments they should have
shifted to something totally new with Daniel Bryan

812
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.320
and Kayme Punk Raban starting with the
big moment and then watering down the storylines,

813
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.239
you know, like this stuff should
have been happening before, and then

814
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:34.400
those big moments with Lessner and and
you know, Brian winning and confetti,

815
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.599
they should have kind of that SummerSlam, is what I guess I'm saying,

816
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.440
and then they should have moved on
to something totally new with those characters.

817
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.920
Well, I mean there's yeah,
there's no doubt that. I mean,

818
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.440
Daniel Bryan peaked at SummerSlam during the
celebration and it was all Downhill winter Blache

819
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.880
glombed onto the Daniel Brown's popularity and
and you know became the story, and

820
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.639
Orton became the story, not Daniel
Bryan. And then I mean we've been

821
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.440
through all that, so yeah,
he's been heard about it anyway, Matt,

822
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.280
thanks for recall. Appreciate it.
I had one more, Oh sure,

823
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.880
go ahead. Sorry, yep,
just about just with all the talk

824
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.039
about heels and the effectiveness of playing
a heel and stuff like that. A

825
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.199
lot of stuff going on with Triple
H and Randy Orton stuff. Who do

826
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:15.880
you think has been the best deal
in the past fifteen years? The criteria

827
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.679
being who played their role the best, not who drew the most money,

828
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.679
who won the belt, but who
do you think has been the most effective

829
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:27.440
heal? Not counting characters you know, like Paul Hayman Evince, but in

830
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.639
the past fifteen years, what wrestler
do you think it's say their role the

831
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.239
best is a heal? That's that's
another thank again. Okay, Matt,

832
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:36.440
Matt, don't go. Don't go
because that's the type of question that I

833
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:38.239
like sent to, like you know, for the way Keller hot line,

834
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.320
because I can read the question,
I can think about it and that kind

835
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.960
of thing. Give give me a
few candidates that you had to mind because

836
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.320
you've thought about this since it's your
question. Give Travis and I a few

837
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.920
candidates kind of pick from, not
that we won't come up to somebody you

838
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.039
don't mention, but throw through three
four names at that. Do you think

839
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.519
our candidates? Yeah, I was, I was actually having some trouble,

840
00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:00.559
like you know, yeah, I
don't know anything off the top, somebody

841
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.519
that popped, somebody that just popped
in my mind, as far as just

842
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.880
the way they cleared a role and
they need stand out, Like he really

843
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.480
gets food. I know he hasn't
like had any BIG's user and cues or

844
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.480
anything, but he goes out there
and he does a good job at making

845
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.719
the crowd hate him and wanting him
to be penned. So so your criteria

846
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.360
pretty good, Yeah, Matt,
So your criteria is not sssarily being a

847
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:25.400
main event draw your criterias who actually
is a genuine heel who gets heal heat.

848
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.280
Yeah, I mean, I mean
you have to do runs because it's

849
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:37.639
you know, Jared Code eight to
twenty ten, age three oh four to

850
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:44.159
oh six, Like he's like that
brock Lesner currently JBL. Definitely when he

851
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.280
came back a year or so ago. And yeah, yeah, I guess

852
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.280
Rock was Brock was kind of an
important guy when Rock left and then Rock

853
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.159
totally, but yeah, you know
that's not his Uh again, you're that's

854
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.880
not his criteria? Oh no,
no, I know I'm kind of answering.

855
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:04.079
I guess sure by way and then
and then JBL that was really good.

856
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.400
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean
when you when you kick a Mexican

857
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.920
in the ass across back across the
border. I mean, how do you

858
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:14.239
not love that guy? Yeah,
so, Matt, I again, that's

859
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:20.239
the topic, probably not best for
this format to cover adequately, but maybe

860
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.519
send it in too, both me
and Bruce, uh, you know,

861
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.480
for for the VP shows, because
we like to do ten fifteen minutes and

862
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:28.239
sometimes with Bruce an hour on that
kind of stuff. And it's a good

863
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.079
topic. So yeah, send that
in. Appreciate the call. Let's uh,

864
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:36.039
let's go to our next call with
another VIP Express color here Eric code

865
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.800
six two three six two three.
Thanks for holding so on. Please stay

866
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.320
your name and where you're from.
Bie. This is born in Austin.

867
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.239
Comments from Seeings Arizona. Hey Brian, good from you. What's going on?

868
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.000
Good to you? Hear from you
and travels on a Tuesday. Yeah,

869
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.920
by way way, this is and
that's so much Travis. By the

870
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.079
way way, this is the first
time you and I fasted to each other.

871
00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.280
Oh really, well, I feel
I know you well from all your

872
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.159
emails, and it's great to talk
to you. I absolutely genuinely appreciate your

873
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.679
support and your membership, and every
time I see an email from you.

874
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.639
I know it's gonna be a good
one. So enough enough kissing, but

875
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:15.320
though go ahead, correct, I
agree, I agree about that first.

876
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.719
First of all, normally I'm not
here at home at this time, but

877
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.880
I'm a victim of the government shut
down. I'm a contractor that I've worked

878
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.440
for the Air Force and you know
we're basically told not to come to work

879
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.519
today. So that's really want I'm
calling now. Unfortunately. Yeah, I

880
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.039
love the story the World War two
veterans who showed up at the war memorial

881
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.199
in DC today and got turned away. You know, sorry, you can't

882
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.480
go in, And I mean it's
just yeah, it's go go out.

883
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.159
Those are just a bunch of thought
liberal stop stories. But yeah, putting

884
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:44.039
a camera on those poor bar it's
a whole saint. The whole thing's in

885
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:45.920
a barratt. It's it's funny.
It's I'm not getting into politics state because

886
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:51.920
I have my opinions aren't always predictable, and I don't think anyone else tune

887
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.559
into here, but it is.
It's on a lighter note. I guess

888
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:57.880
it's kind of somewhat comical when when
you're on Facebook and you get to see

889
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:02.119
when stuff like this happens the bubbles
different people live in and the pride some

890
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.400
people take and not living in a
bubble and just acting like there's false equivalency

891
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.599
across the board. It's it's quite
the day. I've I've It's hard,

892
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.079
but I've I've been. I've been
not trying to be zero political on Facebook

893
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.239
anymore because I took Bruce's advice on
that, and I think it's good advice.

894
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:21.079
But just for me, maybe a
round election time will change. I

895
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.639
would agree, Yeah, go ahead, I'd agree, and we'll get off

896
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.280
the Yeah, we'll get off policies, gonna go back to wrestling or breaking

897
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.039
back, and I have and this
is yeah, this is more. This

898
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:30.159
is like a little more in the
week old. But about the Shield,

899
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.800
And I've heard about this on all
the Torch shows, the p w P

900
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:37.559
Torts Live Cash shows, Left to
say about the Shield eleven on three,

901
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:42.079
the thing that and then some people
complaining that, well they're trying to either

902
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.400
term face or they might become facial, or we're they're going to become faces.

903
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:47.360
Then one thing I think that everybody
should remember that and they showed it

904
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.960
last night twice, is that for
the most part, the Shield has won

905
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.719
by you know, cheating or triple
teaming. Yeah, they've gotten a lot

906
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:59.440
of clean tense, but then the
majority of their their work has been either

907
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.920
jumping people or you know, a
legal tag or maybe the replents fly by

908
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:07.079
and something happens. So they're never
it's in me except for that. Yeah,

909
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:09.960
like you said, way how they
coming lamps back? And Triple late

910
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.599
said it will be eleven on three. Yeah, But other than that they've

911
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.480
been total heeled completely forgot about that
last night or not forgot about it,

912
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:22.159
but forgot like or not forgot,
but it was just like, yeah,

913
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:27.000
nothing, I'm not We're not better
over the eleven on three. No,

914
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.880
not even a week later. Is
there any ramifications from that? Nobody's I

915
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.719
know, you know not. Yeah, I told Bruce last night, like

916
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:37.400
that's what's going to happen. They're
not even going to bring it up in

917
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.760
that context of artist shield like manage
Triple H or is Triple H still going

918
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.679
to is he still out to punish
his sheep? Nope, don't even talk

919
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.000
about it's not even well it's it's
and I kind of I kind of do

920
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:53.679
this as a technique and sometimes it
gets like lost on Bruce, but I

921
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.519
gotta bring him up. But like
I said last week, well you know,

922
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.719
if the shield is turning baby face, you know, maybe this,

923
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:00.519
you know, it might be a
better way to do it. But this

924
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.320
is planning the seed for their baby
face turns. So it totally makes sense.

925
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.840
But if that's not the intent,
it's Ludacris, it's ludacristen onjust fible

926
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:13.159
and you know amateur hour and blah
blah blah and indictment of triplagianisic man.

927
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:19.800
And look again again with the with
the how people like view you know,

928
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.880
wrestling now fans, the people that
you know that they count on, they

929
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.920
just have them trained. Last night
on the chat room off, I don't

930
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.679
have to hear about this eleven on
three match again, like it was the

931
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.519
main event for the show last week, and you're like pitching like, oh,

932
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:40.000
shut up about it. It's for
crying out loud. It just happened.

933
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.480
It's a topic of discussion and just
move on. This is why we

934
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:51.400
get abused and treat it like we
do as fans. We don't deserve really

935
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.440
long term storylines and breaking bad type
suspense and they don't deserve that. We

936
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.960
crap all over it. Anyway,
we as a whole, as the internets,

937
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.960
you know, it's like, yeah, people give me a hard time,

938
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.159
like Wade, you're being so hard
on Triple ch Why are you so

939
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:07.679
obsessed with him? And it's like, no, I'm not obsessed with them.

940
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.239
He's the central heel on the number
one show in the industry I cover

941
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.760
full time, who also happens to
be air apparent to Vince McMahon, the

942
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.800
most dominant promoter in history. He's
married to the daughter of Vince McMahon,

943
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.440
and he is the initiative, the
initiator of the Performance Center, and he's

944
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:27.559
putting himself out there like he never
has before. With a grant Land interview.

945
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.679
It's like, he's what we call
in the news and worthy of incredible

946
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.239
day to day scrutiny and coverage,
and so you know, I'm sorry,

947
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.760
but I'm I'm not gonna switch to
talking about ro O Wah at length because

948
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.159
instead of Triple H. When Triple
H keeps making news because he's the central

949
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.440
figure in TV and obviously the driving
force behind a lot of the top storylines

950
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.719
and happens to be co running the
top company. So yeah, exactly,

951
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.800
it's like drive us is our job, and because something happened more than seventy

952
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.199
two hours ago doesn't mean we have
to drop it and move on. Sometimes

953
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.639
we do when I would do too
often in this age, I think about

954
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:07.280
how differently I cover wrestling now and
how much less reflective I am to a

955
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.480
fault than in the pre Internet days. Doing the Progressing Torch newsletter, I've

956
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.840
done that since nineteen eighty seven.
We didn't start a website till nineteen ninety

957
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:19.039
nine. The first twelve years,
first twelve years and two months of this

958
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.760
it was I mean I was doing
daily nine hunder lines for a long stretch

959
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.920
of time in the nineties, but
it was do a newsletter, step back,

960
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.960
exhale for thirty six hours, kind
of start planning the next thing,

961
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.480
reflect spend a couple of days writing
an article talking about you know we used

962
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.599
to do. I did a Midsummer
annual for the first sever years of the

963
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.920
Torch where we would do six month
awards, like through the mid year while

964
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.679
the leading candidates for Match of the
Year wrestl or the Year Top Heel,

965
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.679
and there was so much more time
for reflection, and part of that was

966
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:51.119
we didn't have three hour raws and
to our Impacts and to our smackdowns and

967
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.039
NXT on Hulu, and totally it's
like there's so much coming at you so

968
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:58.679
fast there isn't time for reflection.
But it's all the more reason to make

969
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.599
sure that we don't drop topics after
seventy two hours. And when something relatively

970
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.800
ludicrous in every fundamental way, like
an eleven on three match with eleven baby

971
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:10.119
faces against three heels, including several
main event baby faces on that team,

972
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.920
happens, it's drives. You don't
just let them off. The oak can

973
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.519
go well. Seventy tours went by. It's kind of like the political cycle.

974
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.840
Now. If a politician just lies, lies for whatever kind of corrupt

975
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:24.039
reason, once twenty four hours goes
by, they know they're off the hook

976
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:28.639
because the whole new cycles onto something
else and somebody tweet a picture of their

977
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.840
parts and you know they'll talk about
that, or some stupid pop tart will

978
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:45.960
yea sugar butt and yeah. Every
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979
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:50.199
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980
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:54.039
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981
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:57.599
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982
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983
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.320
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989
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.360
Brian, well back back to you. Well, Anny, I don't even

990
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.440
know if we addressed fully your topic
yet, so let's know if you're happy

991
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:48.000
or you gotta follow up. Did
we lose fridverment shut them down? Yeah?

992
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.079
Well, Brian, it was good
to hear from you. I don't

993
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:55.360
like the circumstances of our first time
talking on the phone. You know,

994
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.119
it sucks that we're told not to
go to work today, but appreciate your

995
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.920
support over the years and it's great
tiar from you. All right, let's

996
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:06.800
go to our next VIP call here. I'm it's good to put your the

997
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:12.039
key in the subject lines so we
can find find you right away. I

998
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.079
can't see anybody else jumping out.
I gotta look again. Let's just go

999
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:16.320
to the person who's been on hold
the longest area code two or three,

1000
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.599
two or three. Thanks for holding. Please state your name and where you're

1001
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:28.960
from. Two oh three? Hold
on, block talk's churning, hold on,

1002
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:31.599
n blame the switch blue right now, I'm gonna blame Bruce. He

1003
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:38.400
did something wrong. Better. Yeah, it's still spinning, still spinning,

1004
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:41.199
still spinning. Oh now he's on
all right, two l three, Sorry

1005
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.840
about that. Please state your name
and where you're from two or three.

1006
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.920
After all that, you gotta be
there. Ah lost him? All right,

1007
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:54.599
I got other callers on hold,
so I will put you on hold,

1008
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.199
and in fact, i'll hang up
on you so if you call back,

1009
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.480
i'll know that you're actually wanting to
be on the show. Let's go

1010
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.599
next to uh Eric code eight six
five eight six fively states name and where

1011
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:15.280
you're from eight six five. Oh, don't make me blame blog talk now

1012
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.880
all right, I'm going to uh, let me look up in an email

1013
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:25.440
question here in case there is an
issue going on with UH with blog talk.

1014
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:33.760
Efron emailed and uh Efron emailed and
uh, he wanted to know if

1015
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:39.280
we were okay with the heels wearing
the breast cancer t shirts last night on

1016
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.559
the show, and if you would
have had any different thought, any differently

1017
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.760
about it if it was a child
abuse prevention month. Yeah, it was

1018
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.480
a kind of a bit of an
issue last year when they did it,

1019
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:55.000
because I think only the baby faces
did it. They mean, you know,

1020
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.880
for for that month, Damian sand
Out changed it. He didn't wears

1021
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.800
like his pink kneepad and Dolph Ziegler, you know, bore more the past

1022
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:08.760
out blues and you know he stayed
away from the pink for for for October

1023
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.920
and then literally November first they were
back in their pink stuff and their pink

1024
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:17.239
rope was gone and that was over
This year, different approach. I don't

1025
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:23.680
have a problem with it. It's
why would I have a problem or even

1026
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.159
think twice I could just be like, oh, they were told here's this

1027
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:31.159
year you're going to wear on the
air, and they put their head down

1028
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.880
and was like Okay, thank you, missus mcmaheron, And yeah, you

1029
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:38.239
know that's that's my problem with the
travises. I think if a feel walks

1030
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:42.760
out like like, uh, the
real Americans and they're wearing a breath cancer

1031
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.680
wearing a T shirt, I look
at them as corporate cogs doing some corporate

1032
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:49.800
you know, the corporate gagov And
I mean, it's it's nice. Obviously

1033
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:54.560
it's better corporations charity work than if
they don't. But obviously corporations do charity

1034
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:58.159
work and flaunt it because they want
to feel good about themselves and justify other

1035
01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.359
things. It's just it's just what
corporations do. It's better that they do

1036
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:01.600
it then they don't. But let's
not pretend it's out of the goodness of

1037
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.520
their heart. The goodness of their
heart is quietly giving a ton of money

1038
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:08.000
to charity and not drawing attention to
them, patting themselves on the back.

1039
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.560
And as we know how and WW
is just they're they're like every other corporation.

1040
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.800
There's good and bad with it.
But when wrestlers outlaw wrestlers heels are

1041
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:20.239
out there wearing the T shirt that
management tells them to wear, it's it's

1042
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:25.159
similar but different than you know,
the Wyat's having official T shirts for sale.

1043
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:30.279
It's just it takes away part of
the different than those guys wearing because

1044
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.279
they work for the company. Companies
sell whatever they want, put their faces

1045
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:38.199
on whatever they want, button smugs. They don't have to come out sipping

1046
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:45.159
out of a you know, Wyatt's
family, you know service yea or what

1047
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.840
have you. Yeah, Yeah,
I just I'm glad, I mean put

1048
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:50.479
this. I'm glad Randy Orton didn't
wear a pink T shirt. I think

1049
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.159
that would have just I mean,
I think that the fact that he didn't

1050
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:59.319
tells us that ww at least was
aware or Randy Orton was self aware that

1051
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.520
that's would be I'm not saying a
gimmick killer, but it really it's just.

1052
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.640
But in a way, you can
also make the case Randy Jordon of

1053
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:09.399
all people should be Yeah, I'm
I'm it's that's a promo whole narrative of

1054
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.920
Triple Hi and Stephanie. These jerks
running this company that we're supposed to financially

1055
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.880
spor feel good about even though all
the profit goes into their pockets and they're

1056
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.359
you know, just awful people.
And now, but We're supposed to think,

1057
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:21.159
well, ww is a good company
because Stephanie and Triplat are initiating this

1058
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:25.520
breast cancer awareness campaign. So it's
like, what should Randy Orton do?

1059
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.880
I don't know. It's it's why
having the faces of your company be awful

1060
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:33.600
people is a problem. It leads
to and doubly awful when you go into

1061
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:40.079
ue and talk about faces of companies. Yes, yes, absolutely, it's

1062
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.319
Triple A and Stephanie. All they
think about in their lives is the corporation

1063
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.960
of WWE, how they're perceived on
Wall Street, how they're perceived in the

1064
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.920
corporate community. There there. I'm
trying to think of the analogy, but

1065
01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:53.520
they're they were part of this,
this shunned industry, and no matter how

1066
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.560
successful they were, people just snidely
looked at, oh, you're a pro

1067
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.239
wrestler, you're in the pros industry. Instead of embracing that, it's want

1068
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.199
to know, I want to be
that so bad. I want to be

1069
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:08.079
something that I'm obviously not. They
let me know every time, these corporate

1070
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:13.319
snooty old money people, you know, they let you kidding, They let

1071
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.520
those they let them make mands,
and that's why they feel the way they

1072
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.119
do. They let they feel that
when they're around all that old money,

1073
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:25.680
that legacy money that never go and
broke money. You know, they feel

1074
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.039
that and they just want to be
that so bad. I mean that works

1075
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.119
on I mean, it's just societally, it's when you see it over and

1076
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:36.840
over with everyone. I mean just
yeah, well then and that is a

1077
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:40.760
thing. I mean, And and
so they they are they come across as

1078
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.520
new money in the sense that they
were so excited to be taken seriously as

1079
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:46.520
a corporation now and we and we
just you know, and then also just

1080
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.039
the people they hire are from outside
the wrestling of the stry now and they

1081
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:51.119
come in they go, this is
how things are done, you know.

1082
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:56.039
You know, the more you know, NBC and NFL cares, you know

1083
01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.279
whatever. I mean, it's just
all that. It's just they're doing what

1084
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.640
corporations do. But he just comes
across as big marks for being accepted in

1085
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:05.479
the corporate community after being shunned and
part of this underground, you know thing

1086
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:09.319
for so long. And it's it's
just from a distance that you kind of

1087
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.159
look at and go, well,
if that makes you feel good about yourself,

1088
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.000
fine, but it hurts the product. But even worse is when the

1089
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.880
storyline on a storyline on air just
is so contradictory within the same show.

1090
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:21.560
You know, Triblachian stuff for awful
people, but we want you to be

1091
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:26.159
aware of breath cancer and the real
Americans you should boo them. But they

1092
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.439
care enough to wear a T shirts
or they're forced too, so they're not

1093
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.920
really independent minded people. They're just
corporate cogs. It just plays into the

1094
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.239
whole thing of do not cross the
line or you're fired, and everyone hanging

1095
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.920
their head and big show crying because
he has no job options other than you

1096
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:43.039
know, being a dorman. So
it's just it's all right, let's let's

1097
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:45.720
let's give a shot to seven or
two. It's a VIP Express caller.

1098
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:54.479
Uh seven o two, Please state
your name and where you're from seven o

1099
01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:58.359
two. That seems like we might
have a problem with the phone lines with

1100
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.800
log talk. My apology to everybody. This happened a week ago Friday,

1101
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:10.760
where let me ask a chet Hopefully
they can't. Let's see, I'm gonna

1102
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:15.319
ask a chat room. Can you
hear the callers? Well, because when

1103
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.800
I went a week ago, you
mean, if they hear the caller saying

1104
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:19.119
hello, hello, Hello, yeah, and like we can't because that actually

1105
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:24.199
happened with Jerry Jarrett on the Jerry
Jarrett Interview a week and a half ago

1106
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:26.720
on Friday, blog talk had a
technical problem. It turned into a big

1107
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:28.640
deal, and I was the first
one to bring them more. But they

1108
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.720
could hear the callers couldn't death hosts. But chat room says no, sorry,

1109
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:35.199
uh seven or two. I don't
know what's going on, but we

1110
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:41.359
may have to just shift email questions. I'm gonna try a couple more callers,

1111
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:44.279
just to be double shure. Seven
seven Oh, I'm gonna bring you

1112
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:50.920
on here. Seven seven oh are
you there? Seven seven? Have you

1113
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:56.560
tried unplugging it and plugging it back
in? Very good? No? No,

1114
01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.960
if you refreshed, I mean not
that you'd haven't tried, but if

1115
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.760
you've refreshed to switch the whole page. Yeah, I'm hearing that. Now

1116
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:08.680
give it a shot. Anybody who's
on hold, feel free obviously to email

1117
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:14.840
a question to us seven seven h
h after hitting refresh, can you hear

1118
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:19.960
us? All right? Well,
I think we're officially in a in a

1119
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:26.159
technical problem zone. Let's go eight
six two final chants to see if phone

1120
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:31.000
line's work eight six two. Are
you there all right? Yeah, things

1121
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.359
are not working on the phone banks, So apologize for that. Nail.

1122
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:39.319
Kylan's day is completely ruined. Well, Kylan can email us a question right

1123
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:45.039
now? So uh yeah, yeah, Stephen said it. I called and

1124
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.800
the show today and it said I
was unmuted, but you couldn't hear me.

1125
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:50.239
Same with a call before you got
to me. We could hear you,

1126
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:53.720
but you couldn't hear us. So
blog talk got some issues again,

1127
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:56.920
so we apologize for that. Let's
go to an email. This comes from

1128
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.039
Danny from San Jose, California.
I've noticed whenever someone grows popularity to be

1129
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.039
even close to John Cena, wwe
will try to do a storyline that has

1130
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:06.199
their momentum and drastically. Why do
you think they do that? Do they

1131
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:10.720
not want anyone to Surpassina? Ever? What's the deal in the case of

1132
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:14.079
Brian Danielson. I eat Daniel Brian
he was the man in the Indies.

1133
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:15.399
People paid to see him Russell,
he was the main event. He could

1134
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:18.840
have easily Surpassena with the right booking. He already has wrestling ability. He's

1135
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.720
better at promos that aren't scripted.
They make him look stupid when his speeches

1136
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.880
are scripted. He's been the closest
to Surpassena and they pretty much made him

1137
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.640
look bad last night. Why does
WWB sabotage their talent? Travis, you

1138
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.119
don't agree with everything he said,
but maybe you do. But on a

1139
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:35.359
big nure we was just a line
where he said, did he say Daniel

1140
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:42.279
Brien could have easily surpassed I don't
like John Cena, but like, come

1141
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.319
on, he has an intangible and
not that Brian doesn't have it, but

1142
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.479
there's a reason why I Seen has
been on top for seven eight years,

1143
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:54.920
right, you know, the idea
that someone could just easily surpassed John Seen

1144
01:15:55.119 --> 01:16:00.479
is like just this like of course, like let's like easy there, Like

1145
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.760
we all love Brian and he's great, you know, and you would think

1146
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:09.079
with some competent, you know,
real writing and you know, people that

1147
01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.680
can write for the guy. But
we don't have that. So it's like

1148
01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.680
hold it with the easily surpassed stuff. Yeah, but for him, but

1149
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.960
I get the tone of his uh
of his email? Yeah, So so

1150
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.880
is there is there a pattern there? Did we see it with Rye back?

1151
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:27.039
Have we seen it with punk?
Have we seen it with Daniel Bryant?

1152
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:30.079
Have you seen with anybody else where? There does seem to be almost

1153
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.479
a calculated, deliberate attempt if someone
gets too hot, to make sure they

1154
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:39.279
know seen as the guy. Sure, I think so just in general,

1155
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.600
like innately, that's just that's our
guy. We're gonna we're gonna push him

1156
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.920
as our guy. We have no
no plans on I mean, they can

1157
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:53.159
back to like just wrestling being that
special kind of entity that does things in

1158
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:58.520
a different way. It's the only
what other industry like stomps out their young

1159
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:02.479
talents flame where they can, you
know, because he might threaten the old

1160
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:06.680
guard. I mean that's a theme
in life. But you at least let

1161
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:11.199
him like make money for you.
Yeah, you know, they don't even

1162
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.239
let these guys get to the point
where they could be draws, and it's

1163
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:17.840
like all right if they're legitimately.
I don't know, maybe I'm just two

1164
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:25.279
eyes wide open ideological thinking when it
comes to like how to you can run

1165
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:29.640
a wrestling company sitting here on my
couch, never you know, have run

1166
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:34.760
anything, let alone a multinational conglomerate. But it's just like simple storytelling and

1167
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:40.439
creativity. You don't need I don't
know. I think I've veered all off.

1168
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:45.159
That's all right, it happens.
Let's uh, let's go the next

1169
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.039
question. John from Greensboro, I
wonder what you thought of Gold's being in

1170
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:51.640
the ring last night in a suit
and face painted. I did not have

1171
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.479
the same problem you did with running
last week in gold Us being in makeup,

1172
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.159
although I understood your point. That's
so nice to someone disagree but understand

1173
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.479
your point, because that's that's nice. That happens to me a lot.

1174
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.760
I disagree with people, but I
get their points. In my opinion,

1175
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:08.199
he is goldest and not Dustin Rhodes. They referred to him as Dustin less

1176
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:11.119
often than they were for Dusty Rhodes
Versua Runolds. Dustin Rhodes would have looked

1177
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:15.560
awkward and face paint well, stand
well in the stands waiting to attack the

1178
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.239
shield, But since gold dust is
not usually seen without its face paint,

1179
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:20.119
it made sense to me. Thanks
for the great show every Tuesday. Jarvis

1180
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:23.439
Bruce is kind of, you know, just kind of brushed off the notion.

1181
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:24.960
No, he was fine in face
paint, and that's fine. I

1182
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.079
mean, it's not like I'm not
gonna you know, rant about it for

1183
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:30.920
two straight weeks or anything. But
to me, I think when it became

1184
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:38.039
an issue of jobs in wrestling,
and when the dad was humiliated, and

1185
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:43.119
when they're acknowledging that gold dust is
dustin Runolds Dustin Rhodes the son of Cody,

1186
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.720
and they're talking about Cody's real life
marriage. Just to me, when

1187
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:50.039
you get into that realm and you
want to do you want to sneak into

1188
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:53.880
the building, and even though you're
not you're fired, and you're not officially

1189
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.840
supposed to be there, covertly run
in and attack somebody. It's not like

1190
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.680
it's not like, you know,
ree mysterio. I'm expecting it to come

1191
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.880
in without his mask. I just
think gold dust is dust. He's wrestled

1192
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.159
as dust and they talk about his
dust and they say he's Cody's brother.

1193
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.560
I just thought it was a little
kind of corny and cheesy, and it

1194
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.640
did take me out of the moment
a little bit. To me, it

1195
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:16.199
would have said a lot more if
dustin, if gold dust was dustin,

1196
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:18.760
and he's like, this is this
is about families, this isn't about the

1197
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:25.439
gimmick. I had initially the same
kind of issue, like all right that

1198
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.399
I'm I'm supposed to believe this.
You know, six four, two hundred

1199
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.720
and fifty pound guy was like,
you know, at this wrestling event,

1200
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.359
didn't get mobbed. But you know, even though he's in the hoodie,

1201
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:41.840
I mean, how weird and suspicious
is this guy? But because because we

1202
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:44.239
had an email or a caller last
night with Bruce, he said, I

1203
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.800
think I thought that thing happened way
too quick. It was just over and

1204
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:53.000
and it kind of made me realize
why gold dust Dustin had to have the

1205
01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:56.640
makeup on, because in order to
make that segment work, it had to

1206
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:00.000
happen quick. You don't want bumbling
security that they're doing with their job.

1207
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:05.359
They shouldn't be able to pound on
and pound on and pound on wrestlers,

1208
01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:11.560
guys that are supposed to be protected
from fans. That that's dangerous in a

1209
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:15.520
lot of ways. So of course
security should be. You need those guys,

1210
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.600
you need them to be the most
recognizable, and Cody isn't exactly you

1211
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:23.039
know mister. You know, I
know he's got a great smile and he's

1212
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.720
handsome in everything, but in a
two second, you know, two to

1213
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.359
eight second kind of quick thing,
you want fans and instantly dust and sold

1214
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:33.479
that obviously it's Cody or Dust.
The gold does so that's obviously Cody.

1215
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:38.119
Lets all cheer and react. You
don't want people thinking about it and the

1216
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:42.199
murmur because it because that murmur in
the time it takes for them to murmur

1217
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:45.800
and wonder, the angles over and
the securities dragged them off and you're like,

1218
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.399
wait, were they fans? Was
that in it? You know?

1219
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.399
I't sure you'd get a replay and
you'd figure it out, but you don't

1220
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:54.920
want that. You wanted foone boom
in the moment people reacting. So I

1221
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.960
was like, you know what,
he probably really had to have that pain

1222
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.640
on in order for that to work. And so I kind I forgave it,

1223
01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:05.600
like I forgate it, and you
know, but I didn't really feel

1224
01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:11.520
like so hard about it anymore.
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much. And yeah, I mean
it's not a huge deal, but I'm

1235
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:55.039
just personally to me, sure took
me out of the moment a little.

1236
01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:58.159
And and like, I have less
of an issue with him coming out in

1237
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.279
the suit, wearing the makeup last
night because he you know, he wasn't

1238
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.039
trying to be covert. He had
time to prepare it is. It's just

1239
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:05.600
kind of his stick. It's what
he does. And yeah, the idea

1240
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.319
that he spent a half hour hour
long it takes some probably longer in the

1241
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:15.359
mirror putting it on to do a
secret sneak attack was a little bit absurd.

1242
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.840
But don't if you don't think about
it, right, did it wasn't,

1243
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:23.880
So just don't think about it.
Yes, all right, let's wrap

1244
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.840
up the free part of the show
here. We'll go into the VIP after

1245
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:31.000
show and talk about more things from
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1246
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.279
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1248
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1249
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:46.760
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1250
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1251
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1252
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1303
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1304
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are there at pwtorch livecast dot com. Travis, give some plugs to what

1312
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.359
you're doing, and uh, thank
you for coasting today for Jason. I

1313
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:50.479
enjoyed it absolutely. Thanks for the
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Oh uh, like us on Facebook, Facebook, dot com, slash,

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1318
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under the umbrella, so we'll show
up and I think that's about it,

1319
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:20.039
so yeah, listen to us tomorrow
right after Pat McNeil. Do you know

1320
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:23.800
who he has on pads on?
Wait? I remember he texts or he

1321
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:28.199
I AM's me. It's like loady
and somebody. Yep, he's got a

1322
01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:31.840
All Star Panel on tomorrow. I
think he's changing the name since we took

1323
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.359
his name, but I'm looking up
sext on. Yeah, Adam Colan,

1324
01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:39.439
Michael Elgan from Ring of Honor are
his guest stol Nope, not All Star

1325
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:44.159
panel, but so check that out. Pat McNeil every Wednesday's interviews this Friday.

1326
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:45.880
I've got Matt Morgan last Friday.
You gotta listen to it if you

1327
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:50.439
haven't yet. Alex Greenfield ex Creative
Team member two thousand five through seven,

1328
01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:55.039
I think or fourth through six,
really good guests, Lots of good feedback

1329
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:59.359
on Twitter and an email from that
interview. VFP member's got some really good

1330
01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:03.119
stuff in the BP after show from
Alex also, so the FP members definitely

1331
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:08.199
checked out that out if you haven't
yet. And h Yeah, good show,

1332
01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.640
Thanks Travis, Thanks to all the
callers. My apologies again for the

1333
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:14.760
technical issues of not getting to the
other callers, but we'll end the show

1334
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:16.479
there. Kids on Vigils of Play
us out and on the other side of

1335
01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:18.760
the music VP members, stay tuned. We've got more to talk about,

1336
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:23.119
a lot more going on on Role
last night, and we'll look ahead to

1337
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:33.039
that a Bruno all right, right, now to the the a the after

1338
01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:35.560
show portion of the show, Travis, just on a lighter note, we

1339
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:41.359
talked a little bit about loss Mattador's
a little bit passively, but what did

1340
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:46.079
you think of their introduction and also
l L Tis. I think if they

1341
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:50.399
tighten up that intro, it could
be really you know, like one of

1342
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:55.680
those fun things is the crowd gets
into but the priests. The build up

1343
01:28:55.720 --> 01:29:01.199
to the dude running through the capes
are our old lad capes. It was

1344
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.960
a little a little much, but
that's the first one and that's probably that's

1345
01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:09.159
fine, But just tighten up that
intro, it could be a fun little

1346
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:14.760
thing. I don't think they have
anything necessarily like Brod his clay. He's

1347
01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:20.479
a you know, big fat guy
would have you know, mohawk and you

1348
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:27.880
know, dances around and you know, he's kind of special. These guys,

1349
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.159
I don't know if they they're not. It's not like it's Paul London

1350
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:35.399
and Brian Kendrick h three under those
masks and they're gonna like do fly around

1351
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:40.800
and really energize. It's premo and
ethical. They had premo and ethical matches,

1352
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:45.520
or they're gonna have premo and ethical
matches yeah, yeah, well I

1353
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.039
am high on this, not as
a main event act, but I think

1354
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:53.600
El to Rito is a good thing
for what w w E is and and

1355
01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:57.439
the house show experience, and it's
it's what WW is. Some people long

1356
01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:01.359
for the nineteen seventies and eighties territory
house and and I understand stand that,

1357
01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:04.159
and especially if you've experienced it.
I talked about that yesterday. And the

1358
01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:08.560
Keller Hotline is kind of as a
sidebar. I mean, they're just I

1359
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:10.640
feel, you know, feel a
little bad for people who never get to

1360
01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:14.800
actually be present in an old smoke
filled building with the old old ladies on

1361
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:16.840
the front shake, you know,
shaking their their canes at the wrestlers and

1362
01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:20.479
everyone believing it's real, and the
you know, and the gritty atmosphere.

1363
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.640
It's it's it's great, but wrestling
is different and there's definitely things about it

1364
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:26.840
now that are way better. I
mean, there were some awful, awful

1365
01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:30.479
undercards that I saw with a wa
just longside headlocks and born. I mean,

1366
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:33.439
it's just so what it is today
and what w w E stay.

1367
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:35.920
It's not for everyone, but for
what WWE wants to do. I think

1368
01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:40.079
El Torito has a chance to be
a big hit. I think he's something

1369
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:44.000
he's you know, like it's it's
it's almost blasphemous to say it, but

1370
01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:46.119
he could be in a way the
new Ray Mysterio in the sense of something

1371
01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:49.520
that that younger kids see and they're
attracted to right away and go, oh,

1372
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:53.680
this is funny, this is fun
this is interesting. But as kind

1373
01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.079
of a side character to a mid
card tag team, it doesn't get in

1374
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.520
the way of anything else. And
so I think they're onto something with this.

1375
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:01.800
And I thought they did a good
job. I mean, it's very

1376
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:05.079
much in the tradition of the Minis
in Mexico and and uh, and there's

1377
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:10.680
a there is a culture to draw
from that can go well beyond just people

1378
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:13.560
who have you know, slowly with
luch Lieber, wha, wait, is

1379
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.279
Hornswoggle looking over his shoulder now,
yes, you know, so I think

1380
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.680
he is. Somebody asked recently if
they're going to bring in somebody, you

1381
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:23.640
know, to work with Hornswoggle or
you know, play off of him or

1382
01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.600
whatever. And I don't know if
El Torito and Hornswoggle will cross past,

1383
01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:30.840
maybe we'll have a Hornswoggle He'll turn
at rest before Restimania thirty and we'll have

1384
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:34.720
a El Torito versus Hornswoggle match the
Evil Left team. Why why did you

1385
01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:41.800
play that? Well? Because you
know I can. You can take a

1386
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.399
bathroom break, go to the kitchen
when that happens. But you know you

1387
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:48.000
don't have to watch it. But
I said it first. Actually I'm sure

1388
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:51.520
I didn't. I bet somebody else
out there if you did a search Hornswoggle,

1389
01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:55.560
El Torido resty a thirty, I
bet there's a message board post of

1390
01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:59.720
somebody thinking that was a genius idea. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1391
01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:09.359
let me jump to another email question
here, Sony email dot question for the

1392
01:32:09.439 --> 01:32:12.399
live cast, and he has it's
like four paragraphs and he says, please

1393
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.600
read this out loud. It took
an hour to write on the iPad.

1394
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:21.399
Yes, I'm gonna just just gonna
grab one aspect of this because the other

1395
01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:25.439
one's teena related. So I'll say
that for the Keller hot Line. VFP

1396
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:29.039
member Martin from Norwich in the UK
says, I have an opinion I want

1397
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.279
to get your view on despite being
a proven drawn capable of four star matches,

1398
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:34.520
do you think recent ross have actually
benefited from being John Cena free And

1399
01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:38.439
my opinion as bad as Triple Agent
Stepson can be, and as all over

1400
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.720
the place as booking wise as this
Brian versus Management storyline is. Imagine how

1401
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:44.800
much worse it would be seen a
switching between smiling John's stand up comedy road

1402
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.680
show mode and no selling the gravity
of situations left right and center and shouty

1403
01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:54.520
Seena make serious where he bangs on
and bangs on and on to an unseen

1404
01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:58.079
entity called Jack about how he's the
first in the building the afternoons in the

1405
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:00.439
last to leave in the evening,
whether it's relevant to the draw at hand

1406
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:01.479
or not? Do you agree?
Try it's a good one to you.

1407
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:09.119
Uh. And I was gonna get
on him about bangs along the UK guy,

1408
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:16.560
this unknown entity called Jack. Oh, what a good line. I

1409
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:21.359
think they wouldn't have been able to
do the storyline we've seen around. I

1410
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.800
agree, different changes everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

1411
01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:30.880
totally. He's set up to be
the guy to come back and a

1412
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:32.479
lot of them. I'm not taking
it no more. Jack, John seen

1413
01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:36.359
it's back, you know whatever.
Yeah, And then I guess we're supposed

1414
01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:39.800
to be like, you know,
yeah, he's seen it, and the

1415
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:45.479
almost almost will be just a genuine
like, oh well, okay, like

1416
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.000
at least someone can legitimately and they're
going to like treat them, you know,

1417
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:54.479
with some halfway decent uh, you
know, more than halfway decent respect

1418
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.279
level. And you know he's gonna
he's gonna get That's he's the comeback.

1419
01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:02.680
That's really what it is. John's
even it will be the comeback. Do

1420
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:06.119
you think ratings would be higher with
John seen or is it totally dependent upon

1421
01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:13.119
what they did with him or John
A given ratings would be back. I

1422
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:15.760
think yeah, I think there would
be a nud jump, there would be

1423
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:20.520
a little bit more. Yeah,
yeah, I think he deserves that much.

1424
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:30.279
Yeah. Yeah. Longing for some
nostalgia or maybe you want to learn

1425
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:35.119
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1426
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:40.960
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1427
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.920
past by taking you through the Torch
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1428
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:49.359
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1429
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1431
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:14.319
this is okay, here's a better
question, or I'll say it's a better

1432
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:16.720
question because I said the first question. I think this is a better question.

1433
01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:21.359
Is Daniel bron If Daniel Bryan had
been pushed coming out of the Summer

1434
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:26.159
Slam win, without Triple H involved, without you know, the ridiculous power

1435
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:29.399
Trip storyline, without the Big show
crap and all that. If Daniel Bran

1436
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.159
just got to be the new hot
star and they used him as if their

1437
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.319
business dependent on maximizing him, and
they had no this a lot of this,

1438
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:39.279
but they had no crutches, They
had no objections to his size and

1439
01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:41.319
how embarrassing it would be to bring
him to a corporate meeting and say this

1440
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:43.720
is our top star and all that
stuff. If they just went with Daniel

1441
01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:45.640
Bryan like an old time promoter would
when a wrestler gets hot, would that

1442
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:53.960
be better than John Cena being used
Ideally at this point, yeah, because

1443
01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:56.920
it'd be He'd be fresher and the
fans stood. They fans chose him.

1444
01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:00.840
They didn't know Seene it was going
to necessarily you know, be yep,

1445
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:03.279
you know, so the fans still
chose him. So so so. Yeah,

1446
01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:09.239
but one thing about you know he
brought up you know, not objecting

1447
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.439
to a size and everything they do. Know, yes, they can say

1448
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.439
they can have you know, they're
on their continue to turn their nose up

1449
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:23.000
at five eight two hundred pounds,
but he's still like in the main event,

1450
01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:27.000
like they can like kind of do
it with their nose turn but he's

1451
01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:31.199
still there. People still see them
see him. It's not like somehow saying

1452
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:38.479
that the people's eyes and things are
are are clouded or glazed over. I

1453
01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:42.640
don't know if I'm making the point, but they they're still You're still featuring

1454
01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:45.520
this guy, like you say all
this bad stuff about the wall, take

1455
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:49.920
them off the TV. I know
you feel this way, and you've really

1456
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:55.079
you know, maybe not trust so
hard and evil about it, but yeah,

1457
01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:59.359
sure this is a genuine, genuine
feelings you and the management have,

1458
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:04.119
uh, take the guy off TV
like you're you're the idiots for featuring the

1459
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:08.760
guy. It's like the guy who
complains and still pays the money to do

1460
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:12.520
something. I think, all right, well here the dumb asses that are

1461
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.720
losing money by featuring them. If
you if you think he's so bad and

1462
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.920
people don't take them seriously. Yeah, yeah, but I guess that would

1463
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:21.359
be their answer. Well, we're
trying, don't you see? He was

1464
01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:26.279
trying to underhand them, and so
I guess it actually works everyone. Yeah,

1465
01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:29.600
all right, Well let's do another
email here, VIP member Brandon for

1466
01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:32.640
Michigan with the rumor of Vince versus
h If you going to WrestleMania thirty,

1467
01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:35.239
who do you think will be or
should be Vincu surget the face Hunter at

1468
01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:39.319
Mania? And how should the story
end considering Hunter as has to at some

1469
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:44.079
point take over for good for real. Man. That's that's where John Singer

1470
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:49.359
comes in. So what's your WrestleMania
prediction. I've I'm going back and forth.

1471
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:54.039
I've said both matches are going to
happen, which they can't. That

1472
01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:57.720
could be where you finally get your
I don't think it's going to happen.

1473
01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:01.720
I think the likelihood is going to
be seen at versus Triviola as Vince's reluctant,

1474
01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:04.239
you know, well I gotta fight, you know, I gotta accept

1475
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:10.119
this. I guess him and Vince
haven't really had any on air issues until

1476
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.039
all of a sudden he turned on
him and hated him. A couple of

1477
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:17.760
months ago. But who cares.
We forgot about that. Vince will be

1478
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:24.680
pick Sena and that'll be it'll be
Triple H Sena or again if you know,

1479
01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:28.760
if if they have some sense and
go, wait, Vince just said,

1480
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:30.039
I don't. I'm sick of you. You act like you run in

1481
01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:32.119
the place. I'm sick of you, be in the face. We want

1482
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:35.880
someone else. If they stick with
that, which would make sense, then

1483
01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:41.319
you could still get your Brian Triple
H match at WrestleMania. But I still

1484
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:45.319
lean towards Triple hsina because it's Triple
A Sena, not Brian Triple Ate.

1485
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:51.960
But at some point we get Daniel
Bryan against Triple H two. I think

1486
01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:56.760
you would have to. Yeah,
but didn't where what show Royal rumble.

1487
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:05.800
That's gonna be interesting all so yeah, I didn't. It's gonna how that

1488
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:10.840
how that match happens, and the
subtext and how Triple H. You know,

1489
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:14.520
does Triple H go out there and
pull a Shawn Michael's Whole Hogan where

1490
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:16.479
Triple Hi says, all right,
all you people who say that I'm you

1491
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:20.760
know, egotistical, you know,
because there's not evidence of that, you

1492
01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:24.039
know, like that's up for debate, and you know that I don't know

1493
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:26.720
what's really best interest in mind for
Daniel Brown. And he goes out there

1494
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.840
and he pulls the Michaels and just
sells you know, not not obviously in

1495
01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:31.760
a cartoonis Shawn Michael's way because he's
not physically capable of it. But you

1496
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:34.479
know, just goes overboard and taking
a beating from Daniel Brien to just you

1497
01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:38.279
know, spite the fans. But
he can't do that. If if that

1498
01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:41.640
comes before the John Cena matchup Mania
thirty, if that's direction they go,

1499
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:44.560
so, you know, then Triple
Hi gets go, well, I would,

1500
01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:45.359
you know, put Danny Bran over. But I'm in the main of

1501
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:49.319
m Mania thirty, so I got
it. Stay strong, Yeah, I

1502
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:54.159
gotta stay strong. Yeah, I
don't know. It's interesting, all right,

1503
01:39:56.479 --> 01:39:58.960
Yeah, But the Vincina dynamic,
I mean, I don't I don't

1504
01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.680
know if that helps or hurts seen
or makes a difference at all if he

1505
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.960
shows up. I mean, obviously
this is a big enough storyline. I

1506
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:08.479
mean, it's not just a rumor. It's just the obvious logical direction this

1507
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:10.560
is going. You know, they're
not gonna But again, how do you

1508
01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:14.920
get around and do they do just
classic WWE? So what or say,

1509
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:16.880
head, Vince go, I was
going through some some things. But how

1510
01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:21.760
do you get around the fact that
this whole thing started Because Vince didn't all

1511
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:25.520
of a sudden hates seeing you,
hate all the money, seeing it made

1512
01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:30.119
him gonna lay at a tacade.
I don't know. Yeah, all right.

1513
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:36.960
He had a a second second part
of his question, but that email

1514
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:44.720
is down, so I need to
walk over here and get it where it's

1515
01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:46.720
up, all right. His second
question is what is the direction of the

1516
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:50.800
wyatts? They seem installed already.
I guess we covered that earlier. Sure,

1517
01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.479
I mean, what what what would
you have done differently with the Wyatts

1518
01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:57.600
to this point? Or are you
okay with the way they're pacing there?

1519
01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:03.119
There? Integrating? So I'm okay
with it because I don't see much pass.

1520
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.439
I mean, the two big guys
aren't going to go after the tag

1521
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:14.479
titles until the shield drivel, so
they're even thinking about that. That's so

1522
01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:16.000
they're kind of in a holding pattern. That's why I said they just beat

1523
01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:19.960
up three MB and you know,
justin Gabriel every week, I guess and

1524
01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:26.840
and Bray isn't going to go after
either of these singles titles because again there

1525
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:31.159
held by heels the two ic in
us. So I think by default they're

1526
01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:35.800
just in a holding pattern. Put
a good holding pattern where you get featured

1527
01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:40.199
on TV and you still get to
do your cool intro. That's over.

1528
01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:46.239
You don't want vinsc. Manning gets
super excited about somebody and he gets it

1529
01:41:46.359 --> 01:41:49.439
when when vinc managroduces people, he
gets him over. And then if he's

1530
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:53.279
not ready to push him to the
top, people get really reckless. And

1531
01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:57.199
I understand that, but that led
to Dulphigger being turned prematurely. You know,

1532
01:41:57.279 --> 01:42:00.560
dulalp Sigger should have been a mid
card heel waiting turn baby face when

1533
01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:03.159
they were ready to really launch him
in the main events. And with the

1534
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.680
Wyatt's, I mean, I'm they're
just hardcore fense. I don't understand the

1535
01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:10.640
word. The people who watch every
week and are just you know, all

1536
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:13.600
into it. They're at one end
of the spectrum. But Vince books to

1537
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:16.239
the median, the median fan,
the one who needs that reinforcement, who

1538
01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:18.840
needs to see them for a long
time before they buy them as stars.

1539
01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:21.960
That's his approach. Now, if
there's time. There's absolutely times to make

1540
01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.439
exceptions, especially when there's just something
obvious to make money on waiting for you.

1541
01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.439
But from what I have seen,
I don't see him souring on the

1542
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:32.720
YS. I see him waiting for
the right time to rev them up.

1543
01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.520
But right now he's got his top
two or three storylines with Punk Cayman.

1544
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:43.600
And I'd rather be stalled in the
Wyatt family than stalled and be Curtis Axel

1545
01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:47.760
then installed in what be Curtis Axel. Oh curt oh, yeah, yeah,

1546
01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:53.640
yeah. Curtis Axel is probably better
being the guy reacting to the Hayman

1547
01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:57.079
being weird with Raybeck and Raybeck being
the new Elpha in that relationship. I

1548
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:59.760
mean, there's actually somebody for Curtis
Axel to playoff. And now I think

1549
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.399
I'm not saying he's been great,
but I think he's been better, more

1550
01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:08.760
interesting than reacting to Hayman and right
back than he has been just as himself.

1551
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:13.520
By the way, did you think
Stephanie and Hunter were better last night

1552
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:17.920
than they have been? Better?
In what says? Well, better in

1553
01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:21.439
the sense that, like Stephanie wasn't
either crying or yelling at the top of

1554
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:27.000
her lungs. I actually thought as
a power couple being jerks, they actually

1555
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.640
were played off each other. They
played off each other well. I if

1556
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:31.840
this is what they had been like
from the beginning. I'm not saying I'd

1557
01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.720
like the booking, but I went
to ben as hard because Triple H wasn't

1558
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.880
trying to be the snarky stand up
comedian. Stephanie wasn't trying to show her

1559
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:42.199
her acting chops and just kind of
embarrassing herself and making you want to turn

1560
01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:46.840
the channel. I thought they pulled
back to the right tone and played off

1561
01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:49.159
each other as equals, and they
didn't overdo it, and they didn't tear

1562
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:54.159
tear people that I don't know.
I just I thought last night was there's

1563
01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:56.479
no rant there. It was like, Okay, Stephanie was actually good in

1564
01:43:56.520 --> 01:44:00.479
a role. Triple ch was good
in a role, and we quick try

1565
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.640
when when I mentioned this, when
especially like when Triple chose, we've given

1566
01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:08.640
you what three four chances is at
four steps should leave oh at least like

1567
01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:12.119
I laughed. I thought her delivery
was great. The dynamic between them was

1568
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.319
good. If if it's just if
they find their stride and can do can

1569
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.640
do this? I I mean again, it doesn't mean the storyline makes sense,

1570
01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:20.560
but on a on a performance character
level, I would be okay with

1571
01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:25.600
that. Yeah. No, once
she stopped being the caught in the middle

1572
01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:31.239
wife and daughter, it's over my
daddy. Yeah she got really good,

1573
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:35.319
Like, oh, she can just
be if she can just just be a

1574
01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:41.319
mean, nasty bitch without going with
the octaves like when she got all you

1575
01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:45.960
think you are, like pull back
a little bit too stuff like but if

1576
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:49.840
she if she's not crying being the
Tweeners stuff between the rock and har place

1577
01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:56.479
and not being the yelling, screeching
stephinitely got you know, with her new

1578
01:44:56.560 --> 01:45:00.840
booze and oh to the Alliance stuff. You know, she just literally she

1579
01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:05.199
couldn't cut a promo without screeching.
She keeps that calm down. She's good,

1580
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:10.760
She's been fine, Like really,
like I hate her in a way

1581
01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:13.760
that I'm supposed to hate. Well, I can't stand her, but I

1582
01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.760
don't, you know, it's a
good hatred. Yeah, it doesn't make

1583
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:21.800
you like dread watching Raw. Like
people don't dread watching Raw because of Paul

1584
01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:26.399
Hayman. They want to watch Paul
Hayman get what he's got coming. And

1585
01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:28.800
you know, as Stephanie. You
want her in a position you do.

1586
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:31.000
Biggie Langston's return last night. You
know, people have been wondering how they're

1587
01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:33.039
gonna use him, Will he be
Paul Hayman's a new guy to take on

1588
01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:38.680
Punk. All these speculation and he
comes back to do a quick TV job.

1589
01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:41.279
I mean you can almost tell body
language wise when he came out,

1590
01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:44.199
he was kind of stumbling over his
words a little bit. They're just there's

1591
01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:47.439
kind of that that powdy body language
that doesn't do you any favors that guys

1592
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.159
have when they're about to do the
job. I call it the van Hammer

1593
01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:53.319
look and the nature. I never
called it before this, but I'm calling

1594
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:56.319
it the Van Hammer look on Nitro
And when he was brought back and he

1595
01:45:56.359 --> 01:45:58.960
would just walk out and he you
know, just he had that look on

1596
01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:00.279
his face of Oh, I'm just
here to do a job, and I'm

1597
01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:02.760
I should be getting a big push. Why am I not the next Ulton

1598
01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:09.760
Orio. It's a bit of a
boo boo face he's I mean, he's

1599
01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:14.359
what twenty in it's mid twenties.
Yeah, you look like you do.

1600
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:19.319
Come on, pal, You're going
to get your chances and you're actually pretty

1601
01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:25.600
good and you're going to be a
decent baby face one day. So you

1602
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:29.720
know, yeah, I know you
think you should be you know, not

1603
01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:32.199
job in the seeing punk. But
this works with the story and it's like

1604
01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:36.319
one of those things like, oh
this actually booking kind of makes sense with

1605
01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:42.119
the whole body st sized thing and
the announcers. That wasn't wasted on the

1606
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:45.520
announcers, and so what you go
out there and you lose to the number

1607
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:51.439
one or two baby facing you know
on the roster, shut up? Yeah,

1608
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:54.680
yep. I just think when you're
off TV for a while, you

1609
01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:58.239
kind of hope there's some build up
anticipations when you do return it it means

1610
01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:00.560
something. And I could see him
being dis point in that. But he

1611
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:01.920
you know, yeah, he's got
along because look how he was bought up.

1612
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.439
I mean, let's start, you
know, like they set the tone

1613
01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:09.199
with It's not like that you got
bought up with this splash, You just

1614
01:47:09.319 --> 01:47:12.720
kind of got brought ups. Is
heavy in the background for two people,

1615
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:18.720
and you ran interference and you know
again you were heavy. Now you're losing

1616
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:24.319
to the number two one or two
baby race. All right, so let's

1617
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.680
let's wrap up with and I'll check
email one more time here too, But

1618
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:32.560
let's rop up with battleground on Sunday, Rob Vandam and albertoo Rio. I

1619
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:38.319
sat on the Color hot Line that
I think the top ten moves of Rob

1620
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:41.000
van Dam and making it a hardcore
match, even though whenever they make it

1621
01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:42.840
a hardcore match, it's a way
of saying, it's a short cut because

1622
01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:45.479
the guy doesn't want you know,
guys can't work, don't want to work

1623
01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:46.199
the match. They're just going to
do a stand up rawl and a couple

1624
01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:49.199
of big spots to make up for
it. But I think WWB holds back

1625
01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:54.119
from doing it just indiscriminately on TV
now where when they do announce it there's

1626
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:57.279
some equity, and I think with
Rob van Dam there's more than usual.

1627
01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:00.359
And I thought the top ten move
video, even though people are raising their

1628
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:03.880
expectations probably higher than what ww WE
can deliver on, I think that's going

1629
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.359
to sell some pay per views.
I think some people are gonna go WHOA,

1630
01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:10.119
you know, especially fans who either
haven't seen that a long time or

1631
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.640
never saw it or only saw it
on YouTube, Like I get to see

1632
01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:15.439
this in a contemporary WWE, and
I could see Rob Bandam do these moves

1633
01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:17.640
to del Rio? Yeah, I
think that adds a layer that to what

1634
01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:21.119
to what Battle Run would have been
otherwise. So I don't know if I

1635
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.960
thought that they actually added added a
little to the pay per view with what

1636
01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:28.960
they think a little bit. I
think they had they had to do something,

1637
01:48:30.279 --> 01:48:32.960
you know, what that match get
somebody guided about it. So if

1638
01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:38.520
there's a you know, handful or
whether that handfuls you know, thousand or

1639
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:41.479
ten thousand people that don't go,
oh yeah, I mean, you know

1640
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:45.079
by this show now or something,
you know, I'm more or at least

1641
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.640
I'm really really going to consider it
because at least this is another you know,

1642
01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:55.560
spice in the soup. But I
just I think as far as the

1643
01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:59.560
match goes, it'll be a bunch
of crunches and you know, you'll get

1644
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:04.520
that you know, take tempered you
know, twenty thirteen hardcore style, which

1645
01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:10.000
to fine, I'm not complaining.
U you know, maybe a van Terminator,

1646
01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:14.479
but something's gonna happen and Van Dam's
gonna end up getting getting injured because

1647
01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:15.960
he's you know, he'll be going
for three months. He's not gonna flip

1648
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.640
dive into the crowd. No,
and you said something about if you've reached

1649
01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:24.479
into the crowd, it's like a
fine or something. Yeah. Yeah,

1650
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:27.800
it's like yeah, they actually I
think it was actually done that weekly.

1651
01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:31.239
They were talking about it. Oh
last week, Chris and Jason state commissions.

1652
01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:34.039
No, no, no, w
w E. Like they have like

1653
01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:41.119
apparently a rule that you get fine
seventy or seventy five thousand bucks. They

1654
01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:43.960
tell wrestlers if you reach over the
ring barry there's too many lawsuits, put

1655
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:47.199
too much potential for lawsuit if you
do that. So unless it's a prescribed

1656
01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:49.520
gimmick, like you know the sunglasses, Yeah, to say, what about

1657
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:57.159
the shield? And I think that's
the unpump is in the over to barcade.

1658
01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:00.039
Yeah right, but you as a
wrestlad doing your own, you can't

1659
01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:03.039
do it on your own exactly.
It's it's very and I obviously you know,

1660
01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.000
see him punk, I don't think
just when of the crowd on his

1661
01:50:05.079 --> 01:50:08.359
own, But that was very unfortunate, you know when he hit the wrong

1662
01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:13.760
guy. That's a humbling moment and
hit a guy period. Absolutely, But

1663
01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:16.479
it's as bad as that is,
it's exponentially worse when you hit the wrong

1664
01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:19.960
guy. Yeah, No, totally
and hopefully kind of humbling, you know,

1665
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:23.640
to to Punk a little bit.
I mean, Punk is still worshiped

1666
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:27.119
that I'm you know, sometimes find
myself trying to balance it out a little

1667
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:30.800
bit. But you know that that
was a temperamental moment and indicative of maybe

1668
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.199
needs time off. It's the defenders
that came out for that, I know.

1669
01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:43.640
I know. You don't have to
wait for the weight Keller Pro Wrestling

1670
01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:45.840
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thought of Monday Night Raw SmackDown. Each

1671
01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:50.079
week you can check out my reports
that are updated live throughout Raw and SmackDown

1672
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:56.119
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report we'll tell you what's happening in detail

1673
01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:59.680
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and it will also analyze key segments and

1674
01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:03.119
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1675
01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:08.960
check it out every Monday night and
Tuesday night at pewtorch dot com. That

1676
01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:13.399
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1677
01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:15.640
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star ratings. And of course you can

1678
01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:20.439
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1679
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:25.399
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1680
01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:41.520
stop for TV and pay per view
written reports. So anyway, yeah,

1681
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.640
but is there any downside? Now? It's only is there any downside to

1682
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:47.159
Rob and dam showing all those spots
when you can't even come close to delivering

1683
01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:51.640
some of those on Sunday? Yeah, so either yeah, whatever you do

1684
01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:57.840
with the downside after you got their
money. Also, so yeah, although

1685
01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:00.319
you know, I mean the net's
come bag pro motor kind of way.

1686
01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:03.800
It's like, well whatever, I'm
what we're gonna worry that he can't get

1687
01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:08.479
you know that he's mister would you
call him mister three stars? You know,

1688
01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:12.000
and it's not you know, there'll
be a lot of slinging of Cando

1689
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:16.720
sticks and maybe get some smushy trash
cans in there. Yeah. Yeah.

1690
01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:24.199
Oh so prediction for right back end
Punk, How does that match go?

1691
01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:36.039
I wouldn't be surprised if through lots
of Shenanigans, right back wins. Yeah,

1692
01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:42.159
yeah, to set up a hell
and a cell, to just set

1693
01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:45.720
up just Perry and I mean he
goes in and lose that match. Yeah,

1694
01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:48.479
Yeah, I don't think you can
have robeck loose to punk and have

1695
01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:51.359
people take right back seriously as a
threat. And then you need Hayman to

1696
01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:54.439
gloat, you know, have something
to gloat about, and punks, well,

1697
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:58.159
he'd be rounding off his his year
as a paper as on a pay

1698
01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:01.600
per view. Wasn't his first pay
per view last October? And until like

1699
01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:05.399
May he was a over pay per
view. Yeah that's right, yep,

1700
01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:09.239
yeah, you know, so I
you know, if he go, you

1701
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:13.239
know, he'll be if he wins, I think he'll only be three in

1702
01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:19.000
uh three in uh nine or something
like that. So if he loses,

1703
01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:24.800
he'll be two and ten. That's
just swoof. Not that they keep right,

1704
01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:28.039
you know that they even would even
dare put that over or even out

1705
01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:33.159
there. But I have a memory. I remember things, so uh and

1706
01:53:33.359 --> 01:53:40.039
finally the main event, Uh what
what sneigans lead to uh Danny Bryan not

1707
01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:43.520
being champion or did he come out
with the belt? No? I think

1708
01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:48.279
this is one more one more thing
set up the uh and I think it's

1709
01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:51.439
gonna I I think I said it's
gonna be a big, big time schmas

1710
01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:57.000
to send it to in the show's
just going to be one of those locker

1711
01:53:57.159 --> 01:54:01.279
room uh, pouring. You know, it's just I predict the show going

1712
01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:10.039
off with just may him and uh, you know, you know everybody's out

1713
01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:13.319
there. This will be a test
of if people care. Everybody's out there,

1714
01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:16.439
and you know, the locker room's
not taking anymore to shale the locker

1715
01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:19.800
room. This guy and that guy
and I don't know, maybe even have

1716
01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:24.880
Stephanie and Triple H kind off to
the side like, oh Jesus is not

1717
01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:28.279
good. How we're gonna and then
well, here coming, you know,

1718
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:30.359
and I go, okay, well
here, it'll be a perfect opportunity.

1719
01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:35.560
I see if people would would you
know, well, if people care for

1720
01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:39.920
a big show, I don't think
they do. I think they'll go,

1721
01:54:40.039 --> 01:54:43.239
is he gonna come out and go
please guys stop fighting? The locker room

1722
01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:46.520
coming together everybody, you know.
But I think it just ends in the

1723
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:50.359
Schmas and the big, big old
brew. H. Here here's my bold

1724
01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:54.479
prediction, and it sets up logically, sets up the cell. That's what

1725
01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:57.520
I said yesterday. This is my
bold prediction. And if you ask me

1726
01:54:57.560 --> 01:55:00.520
in two days, my prediction will
be different because I don't I'm not saying

1727
01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:03.319
put money on this because there's one
hundred hundred options that are all, you

1728
01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:06.800
know, relatively equally viable with all
the moving parts. I think Daniel Brian

1729
01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:14.000
wins a world title and keeps it
in part because I think it's best for

1730
01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:16.199
business based on what I'm going to
predict after that, and too because it'll

1731
01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:18.359
be Triple Agio's way of quieting critics
a little bit. I mean, I

1732
01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:21.239
think he's gonna I actually think he's
would care enough to do that, and

1733
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:24.640
so I see all these people are
all worried, and we gave him,

1734
01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.680
actually let him hold the title for
more than a day or more than five

1735
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:30.039
minutes. So Brian wins, and
I think he wins clean. I think

1736
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.079
part of that relatively clean for pretty
much clean. And I think part of

1737
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:35.760
that is, you know, based
on what we saw on Monday, I

1738
01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:40.199
think they're I can owing. Maybe
I'm getting more credit than I should,

1739
01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:42.600
but I think they wanted or to
look really strong because they're gonna have a

1740
01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:45.600
lose on on Sunday. And then
Helen a Cell or Daniel Brian with big

1741
01:55:45.640 --> 01:55:50.359
show was referee like a special winforce
of referee and Helen a Cell that that's

1742
01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:54.039
that's my prediction, because what are
they gonna do with Big Show otherwise,

1743
01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:56.680
and then the question is will Big
Show knock out Daniel Brian to help Orton

1744
01:55:56.720 --> 01:55:59.359
get the belt, or well,
Big Show call it down the middle,

1745
01:55:59.439 --> 01:56:04.239
or well he even Daniel Bryan.
That's that's my prediction. That's that's that's

1746
01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:08.680
uh. I think you could do
both. I think you get ended in

1747
01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:11.399
it. Well not, I think
you could ended in the schmas. Have

1748
01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:14.840
Big Show be the last guy to
kind of come down and you know what's

1749
01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:18.640
he gonna do, and then still
still in abeyance and then okay, one

1750
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:21.760
on one hill in the sale.
You want to be you want to get

1751
01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:26.239
it, you want to you want
to make an impact. Big Show,

1752
01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:30.479
Fine, we want to. Here's
your final test, you know or whatever.

1753
01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:34.000
An in eery inside enforcer like you
said. And I think giving Brian

1754
01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:39.039
the title and letting him relish in
it for a month even I think even

1755
01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:45.720
Triplet and Stephanie would would think we
need to give fans of a sense it's

1756
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:49.840
only three weeks turnaround. Kind yeah, that's the thing we want. We

1757
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:55.640
want. It's it's like I can
think of a crude, cru cruder analogy,

1758
01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:59.600
but it's like it's like we want
to give somebody access to their dream

1759
01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:03.319
cause here to cruder analogy. Yeah, well no, no, because it's

1760
01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:06.920
it's not even as good as this
one. But it's I'm trying to get

1761
01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:11.319
a good analogy, not just the
cruder only come on, but the someone

1762
01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:14.479
get instead of giving some letting someone
test drive their dream card that they can't

1763
01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:16.560
afford, it's more cruel to give
it to them for three weeks and then

1764
01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.439
take it away, you know,
And that's kind of you can So that's

1765
01:57:20.520 --> 01:57:25.279
what I'm You can come up with
any other analogies that might work, but

1766
01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:28.680
gives fans a taste of Daniel Brian
a champion for three weeks and let them

1767
01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:30.920
enjoy it and get even given get
used to it. It's like, and

1768
01:57:31.039 --> 01:57:33.760
I'm gonna enjoy what when it comes
out there. I know I might be

1769
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:40.640
lute, ugly faced, beardy,
whatever troupe, but I'm a champion.

1770
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:44.039
Mighty wants to hear that crap.
I certainly don't. I want to hear.

1771
01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:46.840
I told you I'm the best.
No one can beat me. If

1772
01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:49.640
you think you can beat me,
come get your ligaments torn out of the

1773
01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:54.199
socket and all that's you know,
that got Hi perfectly, But I so

1774
01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:57.359
if Brian gets three weeks a champion
and the fans get you get actually used

1775
01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:00.239
to Dan and Brian being their champion. However they push them aside. There's

1776
01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:02.479
good and bad ways to do it. Then Triple HS basically saying, hey,

1777
01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.000
fans, yeah, Danna Brand left
your champion, but don't get used

1778
01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:10.760
to it. Randy Orton has a
has an automatic rematch and he's getting it

1779
01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:14.119
and we're gonna put it in LSL
and we're gonna make sure that that Shenanigans

1780
01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:15.960
Scott Armstrong doesn't happen again. And
we can't trust in a hell and to

1781
01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:21.000
sell a regular meatily referee to handle
this kind of pressure. Big Show is

1782
01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:26.039
a special referee, so I'll make
him the full on ref. He's got

1783
01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:29.560
to make the three count not even
I think you make him the full on

1784
01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:30.319
ref because really, I mean,
in hell in a cell, there's not

1785
01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:33.680
much to do but count three because
there's no rules, So I think you

1786
01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:36.840
can do that, and well they'll
do. They'll probably do what they did

1787
01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:44.199
with fully when he special ref tripulation
Kevin Nash because the idea was of regular

1788
01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:47.640
ref can't officiate, so they had
him take these bumps and yeah, get

1789
01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:51.800
like elboated by accident by I wanted
to, you know, like our normal

1790
01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:56.520
ref would be damn for fifteen minutes, but fully say I'm okay, yeah,

1791
01:58:56.760 --> 01:58:59.520
I got it, you know.
Yeah, So maybe big show will

1792
01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:04.039
be in a hot or two where
he takes a inadvertent kick or something,

1793
01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:06.960
but he's tough and he can shake
it off. I was like, I

1794
01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:11.720
always hate when I don't see the
email question where someone gives a nice plug

1795
01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:14.760
to VIP and I don't read it
on the Free show. But we'll end

1796
01:59:14.800 --> 01:59:16.960
with this email from Jason from Long
Island and he actually sent the sin six

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hours ago. He says, unlike
the people speaking openly and honestly about Hunter

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on as DVD, I will gladly
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Now you'll be glad you did so call

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her. Did say that for Friday, David for next Tuesday. I guess

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yeah. But his question is is
there any way that trip Lah would have

1803
01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:43.640
ever allowed himself to be booked as
poorly as the way Daniel Bryan and Delphigler

1804
01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:45.600
have been booked in recent months.
Is there any way that this booking can

1805
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:49.319
be looked at as it was nineteen
ninety five or ninety six. He wouldn't

1806
01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:54.159
have a choice, but you know, triple late of the last ten years

1807
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:57.880
or twelve years, Well, let
me let me go, he puts,

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01:59:57.960 --> 02:00:00.920
Okay, Oh yeah, good.
Maybe is there anyway because he's, you

1809
02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:02.000
know, the FFP member, he's
got to be here. Is there any

1810
02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:04.960
way that this booking can be looked
at as anything other than an outright burial

1811
02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:09.199
of both of these men? Possibly
since the fans, not the w WB

1812
02:00:09.279 --> 02:00:12.199
machine selected both of them. In
the past, fans selected Daniel Peuter and

1813
02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:14.760
Loki as winners are tough enough,
both men were promptly buried as the company's

1814
02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.880
parent disdain for fans ever catch up
with them. Well, I will first

1815
02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:23.800
say that Daniel Peuter and low Key
are not Daniel Bryan and dal Siegler.

1816
02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:29.119
There's there are some very very legitimate
reasons that they didn't want to get deal

1817
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:33.159
with low Key being over and having
to deal with his weird way of thinking,

1818
02:00:33.439 --> 02:00:36.840
you know, how business has done, and Daniel Peuter just wasn't ready

1819
02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:41.359
And there's a lot of political reasons
but they could have made money with both

1820
02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:45.039
of them. But I trust,
but Dalpziggler and Daniel Brown are much much,

1821
02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:48.520
much more qualified in every way on
and off camera, over with fans,

1822
02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:51.560
competence in the ring behind them,
like everything. But I get his

1823
02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:56.920
point too, But these it actually
makes the Daniel Bryan and Dalp Siggler situation

1824
02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:00.119
more egregious because Travis, these guys, we're picked by the fans, and

1825
02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:05.119
they really are ready and responsible enough
and good enough employees where they could have

1826
02:01:05.159 --> 02:01:11.079
made money in the long run with
him. No, it's it's uh,

1827
02:01:11.359 --> 02:01:13.760
yeah, if I had mine,
if I had to pick two guys,

1828
02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:18.960
it wouldn't be or I'd pick Brian
and Zigler and a Pewter and the other

1829
02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:23.159
one and low key. But no, I get his point, and I

1830
02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:28.800
don't think it's a see it was
Brian. It's not a burial because in

1831
02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:33.960
a way we should be grateful.
No, No, I'm serious. I

1832
02:01:33.960 --> 02:01:40.640
don't even mean in the start,
but we really should be grateful that he's

1833
02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:45.479
in a position that he's in.
Yeah, I know the fact that it's

1834
02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:47.399
like all right, but he's there. Danny only got to treat him like

1835
02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:51.840
crap at every turn. It's that
feeling. But but it's like it's like

1836
02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:56.279
you're you're with you end up getting
to date the hottest girl in the world

1837
02:01:56.319 --> 02:01:59.079
that you never dreamed of, and
you're just like, holy crap, and

1838
02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:03.560
you actually got the sex with her, but she's like just impossible to live

1839
02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:08.000
with you in front of your friends. Yeah, you know, it's like,

1840
02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:11.640
but you know what, I don't
deserve a girl this good looking.

1841
02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:15.319
I'm married up, so even though
I'm miserable and she buries me in front

1842
02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:17.800
of my friends and she doesn't tell
me where she goes on weekends on Friday

1843
02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:21.119
and Saturday nights. But hey,
you know, I gotta settle for being

1844
02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:26.199
treated like crap because she's better looking
at me. That's I'm not sure we

1845
02:02:26.239 --> 02:02:28.319
should be that kind of thankful.
But I know what you're saying, because

1846
02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.199
five years ago, you know,
I mean that's a you know, Daniel

1847
02:02:30.199 --> 02:02:34.039
Bryan sixty minute match with Anijel McGinnis
said an R eight show back in two

1848
02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:38.319
thousand and seven, and I would
not have predicted that Daniel Bryan would be

1849
02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:43.159
headlining in the fall of twenty and
thirteen. No chance. Yeah, so

1850
02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:48.560
yeah, uh well, very good. Well, and on that note,

1851
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:50.800
I don't want to completely You've got
a lot more you can talk about.

1852
02:02:50.800 --> 02:02:55.079
On the East Coast cast. We
didn't cover every everything, but tune in

1853
02:02:55.520 --> 02:02:59.359
VFP members for the East Coast cast
on Wednesday and or listen. If you

1854
02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:02.960
can't listen to Lie listen on delay
and tune in Friday for Matt Morgan and

1855
02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:05.840
James and Greg will be by on
Thursday and Pat we already talked about his

1856
02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:10.079
guests tomorrow. So I think we
covered our bases and traving thinks it's and

1857
02:03:10.439 --> 02:03:15.039
if anybody uh wants to get get
a crew or join my crew, my

1858
02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:21.560
PSN thing is Travington. So I'm
I'm I'll finished the game. I'm all

1859
02:03:21.560 --> 02:03:26.119
about GT five online. So as
soon as rock Star gets their servers right

1860
02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:29.520
and gets their stuff, hit me
up and we'll like go rob some banks.

1861
02:03:29.560 --> 02:03:31.600
And so see that's what you're doing
instead of watching Breaking Bad, You're

1862
02:03:32.119 --> 02:03:35.720
plan Yeah, I'm actually yeah,
I'm doing real I'm blowing up meth labs

1863
02:03:35.800 --> 02:03:41.159
and trailer parks and stuff. Yeah. Well, very very cool, Travis,

1864
02:03:41.279 --> 02:03:45.279
been a pleasure. Just you've been
the Daniel Bryant to Jason's John Cena.

1865
02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:47.600
You've proven how expendable. He is, Oh wait, what if ratings

1866
02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:54.079
are down though? Oh crap?
All right, well, Jayson be back

1867
02:03:54.119 --> 02:03:56.800
next week and you'll be back in
eas Coastcasting the next Monday with Bruce.

1868
02:03:56.880 --> 02:03:59.840
So for the second, third,
or fourth time? How many times have

1869
02:03:59.880 --> 02:04:03.359
been tough for at least four?
Okay? Thank you, Travis, awesome.

1870
02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:25.199
Thanks, We appreciate you. Bet
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