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grant I hope that you're doing well. Are you doing well well? Hot
or not? I still never know if I was supposed to say it's hot
or not if I agree with the statement. So I'm doing well, and
it is not a hot take to say I'm doing well, So I guess
I guess not. This is you know, we'll do better. We're gonna
work up to it, to the smoothness of our hot or not verdicts,
So yeah, we'll get there. Some great questions are some great they're not
really questions. They are more like statements that we judge the hotness or not
noness of right. That's that's the way we're framing this. And as we
wait for stragglers to come in here, I think we're gonna go through I
don't know who this person is, but definitely still not Danny Fabs twenty thirty
three. They gave us a bunch, and so while we're waiting for actual
live viewers more of them to come in, we will we will go through
this one because I feel like this person is just basically irrelevant, but they
really seem to have like an astute observation and grasp of what constitutes a worthwhile
hot take. That's all. That's all. I don't know who this person
is, but they really, they really seem to grasp the nature of this
exercise. Yeah, let me throw this first one to you here, since
this is all new to you and you're unfamiliar with any of these. So
the first one we have is the Kings are more likely to win a playoff
series than the Grizzlies, hot or not. But at this point, and
it's not the John Morant stuff, which I discussed on an earlier podcast if
you want to hear more in detail, and you also shouldn't want to hear
more from mister white Dude depth of Valley on the matter anyway. But there's
of course the John Morant aspect of it. Brandon Clark tearing his achilles.
We still don't have a timeline for Steven Adams's return. By the way,
they've been dog shit. When Luke and Ard is playing on the floor with
them, we're shooting the ball well, but he's being targeted on defense.
Doesn't help that he's mostly playing with one of Jaron Jackson Junior or Dylan Brooks
or neither of them. I don't see it from this team. They had
very clear, glaring flaws. Lukenard address some of them without papering over enough
of them to, you know, to make them a real playoff threat in
my mind. And now the Kings are two matchups. It's all about matchups.
We know this. If they have to run into a full strength lanker
squad in the first round, people pick the Lakers if the Clippers or Mavericks
drop that low. But I think at this point, even if we're talking,
let's just say a team faces the Timberwolves, where they face the Lakers,
if it's I'm picking the Kings to beat those teams before I'm picking the
Grizzlies at this point, I don't know how you feel about that. Yeah,
So really it sounds like what you're it's more that you just don't have
faith in the Grizzlies winning a series almost full stop, as opposed to,
Oh, the Kings are just you know, objective, because I don't think
either of us has a ton of faith in the Kings winning a playoff series
either. But it's just kind of the Grizzlies. Every every arrow is like
just going in the wrong direction for them right now. I don't think that.
I think that's probably not a hot take. I think that's that's accurate,
although like you know, we we are we are maybe just ignoring because
there's all these really conspicuous things that are wrong with Memphis and they've lost three
straight and all this other stuff. But we can't just pretend like the Kings
are going to stop anybody, right like that. That's like, that's just
the real factual flaw with that team that you know, Yeah, it's a
problem that Memphis is coming off, you know, is coming and glued a
little bit in so many ways. But like the Kings have been super healthy,
super cohesive all year, and they just are atrocious defense. So I
don't know, I don't have a lot of faith in either of them,
which is wild to say about the second and third seed, but but yeah,
the trend lines are going the wrong way for Memphis for sure. Hot
or not, Grant Hughes, a tend seed will win one of the play
in tournaments. That's so tough. I think I think that's probably too hot.
And that's just because I, like, you know, for example,
Miami is in the play tournament in the East right now, So I'm putting
them in. And then you've got I like Atlanta and Toronto better than Washington.
Who's tenth, although like who's to Saint Like what if Atlanta falls to
ten? It's it's a little early, but I just the bottom of each
play in range start is starting to look like really suspect to me. Now,
if Portland or something managed to come in at ten and you got two
hot games from Dame Lillard, maybe that changes it. But it feels a
little too hot for me. I'm more so this one feels more directed towards
the Western Conference because you could, in theory, think of the ten SEE
candidates, the Pelicans of Zion comes back even though thunder just like if they're
the ten see, they're they're scrappy as hell. And then what if the
Lakers are just there the ten seed, but they have Lebron and DiAngelo Russell.
Those feel like teams that could we have. We haven't even seen the
ten seed win one play in game yet, by the way, So it's
definitely it's hot. I just don't think it's irrationally hot. Looking at the
tenseee candidates in the West. I don't see the Wizards. Like maybe if
the if it were the Raptors or the Hawks that collapsed and fell to ten,
But like if it's the Wizards, I, you know, that's really
uninspiring to predict a tenseee when there but in the West, I just feel
like, Okay, there's the margins between three and we're four and thirteen or
so small to begin with that is it really outside the Roman possibility? If
you know, if it's the Blazers, no, I wouldn't predict it.
If it's the Jazz, we're actively trying not to be the ten see would
be like the thirteen seed. No, I wouldn't predict it. But like,
just under the context of some of these teams, I could see it
happening this year. Yeah, Okay, I love this one. I'm just
so glad that not still not. Danny Fabbs twenty twenty three thought of it.
Damian Lillard will make First Team All NBA And just for some context,
like I don't think either of us had him on as a starter in the
All Star Game. I think he sort of had to get in as like
as a as a wild card. Maybe I think that's how I got him
in So the fact that we're asking this question or raising this this idea right
now is kind of wild considering, uh, you know, where he was
like in our estimation a month ago or a little a little less than that.
Really yeah, and I I kind of skew is it not hot?
Because when you look at so when you look at the first team guard discussion,
it's Lucatan Chich just has one of those spots up. So there's one
to doll out. And I think for the longest time that was Steph's to
lose, and I think that his injury made him lose it. So I
don't know. Then it becomes between Dame and Shay Gil just Alexander here.
To me, I don't know if you would throw anyone else into that discussion.
I will say Dame is having like one of the most quiet, historically
awesome seasons in recent memory. So I was looking this up. Eighty three
including this year, there's been eighty three times. Actually surprised it's this low,
but eighty three times a players averaged over thirty points per game. Damian
Lillard true shooting percentage this season among that group ranks fourth. There's the two
Steph seasons that rank out of him and then one from Adrian Danley that's fucking
wild. So he's just been and he's shooting a career high from two point
range, getting the free throw line more than ever. He's just been absolutely
incredible, and with Shay, who's been incredible himself. The Thunder did say
they're gonna monitor and manage his minutes with that ab strain. I know a
lot of people took it as oh, that they're tanking, and I misspoke.
I forgot that his extension started. He doesn't get the max extension if
he makes the All NBA team, So I apologize to anyone who was listening
to the NIXT Film School podcasts in which I said that. But just like,
I think they've graduated from subtly tanking to like, that's not what they're
doing. It's a real injury. But he played his past two games,
he's been spectacular, and he's played a bunch of minutes. So I think
this comes down to unless you would add anyone there, would you have Dame
or Shay in that second All UMBA first team guard spot or do you think
there's enough time for Steph Curry to reclaim it. So I don't think there's
enough time it is. I think it is Dame. I think I think
it's like you, it's a rebuttable presumption at this point, like you have
to have some really compelling evidence to say it is not Dame. Because he's
fourth in the league. In EPM, he's third, just behind Luca and
Raptors you know, total and then and their cumulative as well, and wins
above replacement. So it's just like there's the statistical case. It's pretty much
ironclad. So if SGA goes on some crazy run, maybe because SGA has
played just like, you know, roughly one hundred more minutes, so the
volumes there and really their teams are you know, in lockstep in the standings
too, so if one or the other were to go make some crazy surge
and that would sway uh, some people's opinions towards Shay maybe if if that
team is the thunder that you know, climbs into the higher spots in the
play. But like Courageous hasn't played enough, the Warrior's record when he has
played has been just way worse than it has been and almost in any other
season it used to just be the splits were off the charts crazy, and
now I'm pretty sure their record is better without him than with him. This
year, there's no credible argument to be made that the Warriors are better without
Steph Curry on the court. But just if you're looking for reasons to elevate
him over someone like Lillard that's had just an objectively better year, that's not
there. So you mentioned this, I think the way I'm looking at Dame
season this year, just to kind of pile on the praise. He's thirty
two and this is the best season he's ever had. He's true shooting percentages
and never been higher, never gotten to the line more, box plus minus,
has never been higher. Scoring average for anyone that still cares about that,
even though we're kind of apples and oranges in it, because scoring is
up everywhere, has never been higher. This is just like, this is
wild because it was not that long ago that it turns out he was injured
and that was the reason. But it was kind of like, oh man,
last year before they shut him down and he had surgery on that adductor,
it was like he's slipped. Now, you know, this happens to
smaller guards. It's too bad. You know, sometimes it goes quickly and
just not only has he not slipped, he's he is better than he's ever
been, which is wild because he's, you know, before it's all done,
he's probably gonna make ten All Star Games and seven or eight All NBA,
and he's gonna be sure he probably is a surefire Hall of Famer if
he stopped right now. And this is as good as he has ever been.
So he's got to be on that first team. So it's not hot,
then, No, that's the correct take h this one. Let's do
a live one. This one's interesting from Peto. Next year's Rookie of the
Year race is going to be way better than the Mobley Barnes cade. They
have Chet versus versus Wemby versus Scoot and who else I forgot? I forgot
about Chet. Yeah, So is that hot or not? Next year for
year race will be better than twenty twenty two? Is Rookie of the Year?
Raise that's a little hot because it presumes there's going to be a race,
and I think there's a good chance that Wemby just kind of Pollo Bank
harrows it and within like the first three in Houston. What's that even if
he's in Houston, if he's anything close to what he's supposed to be,
this shouldn't be a competition. And like I just you know, we can't.
We can't spend an entire year. It will be well, not quite
a year, but basically since October when that G League Knight had that showcase
game against his team, back to back games where he went from he's the
number one, pick two, he's the best prospects since and then you'd throw
out whatever you know, mega super duperstar you wanted to Tim Duncan or Lebron
or Anthony Davis or however far back you want to go. So I think
there is a chance that if Scoot ends up in like a perfect situation,
maybe that's close. But I'm gonna need to see Holmegrin looking pretty good before
I before I get on board with that. Yeah. Unbiased Pistons fan notes
Brandon Miller could be a high volume of scorer. He might belong on that
list as well. But if Wemby is like what he's supposed to be,
this shouldn't be. It would be a surprise to me if it were a
competition at all, let alone a close one. So it's a little too
hot for me. Grand Hues. Hot or not, the MAVs or Clippers
will miss the playoffs. And by this, I mean they can get to
the play in and they will, but they won't make it to a first
round series. So what does that look like? You gotta have? So
Dallas is gonna have to slip. The Clippers are gonna have to stay where
they are or slip. Dallers almost lost to a Jazz team that is actively
trying to lose. Yeah, it took a lot of points from Kyrie down
the stretch of that one too. And I love all these stats about how
Luca and Kyrie are the first teammates to each score one hundred points over three
games in a row, and it's just like, well, yeah, I
mean, no one else is going to score on that team. What are
they supposed to do? So I'm gonna say that's a little too hot,
and it is because I just think even with the Clippers having so many issues,
and even with the MAVs having so many issues, I can't if you
only Lebron is gonna be healthy for the Lakers, then that's different. But
like New Orleans has falling apart the Thunder and Blazers are just are not in
it right now. I don't know you're giving me the ore though it's close,
because I can pick one or the other. It's a little too hot,
so like a little like five degrees too hot for me. I'm just
gonna call it. I think one of them is gonna fuck up in the
play in I don't. I mean the MAVs being five right now, I
guess really bozes well for them, but that just I mean that just means
they have two more losses than the twelfth place too fewer losses than the twelfth
place Blazers, and I don't trust their defense. I think that's the team
I'd be more worried about, actually. But also the big thing with the
Clippers is they appear bent on tanking because the whole it's and it's not Russ's
fault, but the fact that they decided to play Russ and Eric Gordon and
Marcus Morris more than Batoum and Terrence Mann. And you have Gordon and Westbrook
now closing games. I just like Russ starting over Terrence Mann is one thing,
But like Gordon and Russ closing game over Terrence Man, unless they like
sort of wake up. The offense has been bad when Russ plays with Kawhi
Leonard and Paul George, Like that's where's how many more red flags do you
need? And so I almost want to say it's so obvious they will change
things around. But if they're just gonna try and continue to make this work,
maybe they're the more likely answer. But I could just see. Look,
I mean when you look at the teams that Dallas, so they get
two playing games and they're gonna I mean like they could wind up having to
face the Clippers technically in the play in, and then there's the Lakers and
the Pelicans, who, yeah, they probably won't have Zion. So just
like if it falls right, maybe the Timberwolves are in there, Like I
could see them losing just two one off games. This is absolutely a team
that could lose two one off games. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Let's see, I'm gonna throw one to you now here. Oh perfect
the hot or not, the Knicks will win more than fifty games, So
they gotta go twelve and three or better the rest of the way, which
doesn't seem that hard for a team that won what ten in a row.
Nine in a row before that street ended against the Hornets. I might add
and schedule loss. Yeah, you have the jail. Yeah, they've been
playing so many just epic games that Manuel quickly locked fifty five minutes and that
double O team win against Boston, it was sort of just like they did
have a big lead, but they were gassed by the end. I don't
it's hot, because twelve and three is like really hard to do, but
their schedule is not that bad the rest of the way. We know tips
isn't gonna rest anybody when especially when there's like first round home court advantage on
the line. The jail and Brunson injury is it worries me a little bit,
but it feels like they were just like, oh, okay, we're
gonna give him a night off here. The way that Brunson's been playing,
Randall's been playing, Heart's been playing, Emmanuel Quickly has been playing. This
absolutely feels like a team that, when it doesn't have that difficult of a
schedule, could win twelve of their next fifteen games. And so I'm gonna
say that it's hot, but it's like it's like plausibly hot. It's it's
just a little tepid, it's like nice, it's ready to eat, it's
it's the perfect temperature. I really think it is what it is. Yeah,
I think I'm with you on that. I think like fifteen does feel
like a real factor for me, especially if Brunson continues to miss time and
you're relying so much more on on some of the reserve guards and just kind
of moving everybody up the pecking order a little bit, both in terms of
playing time and just your responsibilities. That Hornet's loss was one hundred percent because
the team was tired, in my opinion, and that's just going to happen.
And I think maybe they had more than enough to win. Come on,
yeah, oh for sure, Well they always do. Uh gosh,
how many times did you pull quote that back in the day with from TIBs.
I used to refer to that all the time. Yeah. Same,
I just look, it's progress that he realizes players shouldn't be playing on one
foot and that he gave Jald Brunson the night off. That's that's a lot
of growth, a lot of real progress. Okay, Yeah, that's I
think I'm with you. There's such a thing as peeking at the right time
and even with Brunson out, the Knicks definitely seemed to be doing that.
So and that's not really true of some of the other kind of four or
five six ers, you know, seven seeds in the East. Our final
one from still not Dandy fabs twenty at thirty three, Grant Hughes hot or
not. The betting favorites for Defensive Player of the Year, which is Jared
Jackson Jr. And Most Improved Player lowry marketing will not win the awards.
This wasn't an or, this was an end. So was that too hot?
So I think the Jackson one for me, I could see the momentum
just going to Brook Lopez, who I think is second right now or at
least as in the conversation in terms of the odds. I mean, Jackson's
a pretty heavy favorite still, but it's just hard to sort of feel good
about anything, you know, any sentiments towards the Grizzlies going forward. And
there was like the Bucks have just put on the full court press for Lopez
to win Defensive Player of the Year all season, and I could see voters
just kind of souring on Memphis in general. So that one I could see
most improved is tough. I feel like last time I looked, SGA was
not was it like third or fourth I think or something and odds I should
I think he might be second now or Brunson was third and SGA was second
last time I checked. So with just those two guys, I don't think
that's too hot market and seems to have a lot of momentum. But I
think, like what if the Nick, if the Knicks go twelve and three
were just to tie back to the last question or you know, ten and
five or something and they secure, say the fourth seed. If Cleveland slips
and Brunson has a lot to do with it, I think Brunson could definitely,
uh, you know, at least push marketing for it, and then
Sga, like what if he ever just forty for over, you know,
over the rest of the season. Not ridiculous. So this is not sewn
up. I'm gonna say that's that is not too hot. I'm just curious
and shout out to Chris Curtis. If I get fired for chatting live on
the pot, it's worth it's worth of it. If Grant or I get
fired for chatting on the podcast while we're supposed to be filing, so I
think it's it's definitely not worth it. IM gonna let everybody know that right
now. I don't think it's too hot in theory, but I do believe
the defensive play of the Year discussion, it's weird that Jackson so many people
have him just sewing it up. The Grizzlies don't have the best defense in
the league anymore, which isn't a prerecords. I want to make that clear.
The bigger thing for me is he's averaging fewer than twenty eight minutes per
game. There have been two defensive Players of the Year who have averaged fewer
than thirty minutes per game, only one of whom who has averaged under twenty
eight. And it hasn't happened under thirty minutes per game since Michael Cooper and
eighty six eighty seven. And I'm just like, aren't voter is gonna look
at that and see that Jannis or Brook Lopez or Bam Matabayo. Maybe even
I still think Draymond Green deserves more consideration. I almost placed a bet on
him via via a friend because New York doesn't let you bet on player futures,
which is just a fucking weird distinction when we're looking at legal sports betting.
Plus eight thousand for Draymond Green on Defensive Player of the Year just feels
like he would be my pick. I think right now, I'm not gonna
lie, so I think not that that is in the bag is Jaren Jackson
Junior. Won't win, but that feels like it has a high probability of
happening. I'm more rocky on most improved player. I think when you look
at the lowry market in numbers, I haven't seen this material change in his
game. Yes there's some like you know, he's been pretty efficient out of
isolations, but he just doesn't use them very often. He's still mostly a
play finisher who gets set up. The way he moves is important, the
way he moves uses his size, excuse me, is important. I think
he's played more like a wing these past two seasons than ever than not just
some like you know, straightforward and that's a big deal. But to me,
my pick would be shakekill just Alexander because the hardest leap to make,
in my opinion, is from fringe star or actual star to MVP candidate,
and that's what he's done. The thunder of outscored opponents by more with shakekill
just Alexander on the court than the Mass have with Lucadachis on the court.
That is not a perfect you know, we can't use that as a definitive
case, but it also kind of matters. I just don't know voters are
going to look at it that way. I think Lowry Market in not the
narrative, but it's just you look at the eye popping jump in numbers itself
will cause it. Like he went from fort keen points per game last year
to twenty five this year. But he also had seasons in Chicago where I
think he got his high as eighteen or nineteen points per game. So I
don't think it's too hot between my ears, but I think in practice it's
gonna end up being too hot because I feel like Larry Market is just gonna
win the Most Improved Player award. Yeah, I think. So that's a
great point about the like the different types of leaps I think for Marketing in
I do think he's better. I think his game has changed a little bit,
but maybe it's I don't know what you put it at, like because
the guys we don't want to give this award to. Are the ones that
just play more or guys you know that are in their second year in the
league that suddenly are you know, a starter now or whatever. They just
get more opportunity. I think it's probably like sixty forty than sixty percent,
being like market is just in a bigger role on a worst team playing more.
But it's like the forty is like he's you know, demonstrably better at
certain things. Like but I think you've really clinched it for me? Is
the SGA is wasn't isn't you know, top whatever fringe MVP guy was in
the top five I think for decent stretches earlier in the year and it's basically
been as good as he was then. It's just like the serious contenders and
just solidified themselves. So I think I think I might almost be like annoyed
if Marken and won it, became an All Star, right, like that's
great, he's really good. You talk should feel awesome about that. But
I think SGA is just that different type of guy where you know, we
like we used to think of Trey Young or you know, Karl Anthony's howns
even all this is different where it's like, well, you have a top
ten offense if he's on the floor. Basically, I think I think SGA
is like not exactly that type of player, but it's there's no question about
who you're concerned about hanging forty on you, then you know he's just he's
like a different level of player and the highest level. So that that that's
compelling, good argument by you. That is when I throw you a curveball
because you just inspired one. Yes, he's hot or not. Grant Hughes,
Bamian Lillard or Shane go just Alexander will receive more MVP votes than Jason
Tatum. Dame Dame or SGA will get more than Tatum. Uh, that's
a little that's a little hot, because I think team success still is a
huge factor for for voters, and just like best player best, you know,
if the Celtics may not wind up as the best team, they've kind
of lost that mantle over the last couple of weeks. But I think I
think Tatum has the most conventional case that like you're never gonna I think you're
gonna have to explain yourself just hypothetically, if you're a voter and you vote
either of those two guys over Tatum just because of how myself then I'm not
saying you'd be wrong, but you'd have something explaining to you. Okay,
Uh, can I can we jump to this is still? This still is
not Dan? I swear? Why don't we do another person's wanted? Is
that one of the Jordan Pool one? Actually? Uh, we could do
that one, or we could you know what, You're right, Let's let's
serve the people here. Let's go to the first non the first non not
Dan question, which is from Kerrigan. You're ready for that one? I
can give it to you. Yeah, I'm scared, all right. The
Utah Jazz have the brightest future in the NBA hot or not that's too hot,
just because who in house right now is a part of their future is
at Bagi Walker Kessler and then you know, are really that high on fontechio
or what Chris Dunne has been doing. Like so they have all those picks,
but they need to turn into something first and look Larry Market and I
think that's the is kind of the key here is you have this twenty five
year old all star basically under contract for another couple of seasons and yeah,
that matters, but it almost now you're at a point where I think other
teams as picks are more valuable than your own picks, and that's just a
little not concerning but challenging because you have control over your own picks, you
don't have control over other teams's picks. And so you know, even this
season, there's kind of this mid season tank job, but you're not gonna
be able to take nearly enough to have premo top lottery odds. I think
you just look at other teams wells of assets, and then also you know,
looking at Orlando, looking at Oklahoma City, I think or we have
we have another one from t bloom one seven hot or not that Brooklyn Nets
have the brightest future in the NBA. I would say that's definitely just hot
because you're kind of in the same situation as the Jazz, whereas you have
all these really good players. But no, like I guess Mchaal Bridges could
still be the caps lock Star or Lowry Market. It can still be the
caps Lock Star. But the fact that you're like so reliant on not your
own picks and Broolin even more so because you don't have them, I think
that just makes it way too iffy and what would be more interesting question.
We're not more interesting, but I think is you know, I'm not sure
if you would take okay see Orlando over Eile of these two teams. So
that's my first question to you. But also secondly, it might be more
of an instructive exercise to be would you rather have sort of the blank slate
that a team like the Spurs has or the future of Utah? Yeah?
No, I would take Orlando and okay See. Those are my two that
I would just, you know, knee jerk say I like their their outlook
better than Utah. But but to that to your second question, if I
if if the Spurs or even say the Pistons get wem Bin Yama, then
suddenly I think you have to say either of those teams. I don't know
if it would do the same thing for Houston because it seems like just such
a catastrophe there. Maybe you'd even still have to say Houston's future was brighter
than Utah's if they got wim Bin Yama. But I think the Spurs and
Pistons both like suddenly, you know, we like Kelton Johnson and we liked
Devon Vassell and we like some of them, you know, de Vassel,
We love Devin Vassell. And then those guys are now the second and third,
you know, and Jeremy so like, you'd do the same thing for
Detroit, Like now, it doesn't depend on Kate Cunningham staying healthier, Jade
and Ivy you know, figuring out how to slow down, or Jalen Durn
you know being you know, figuring out how to garden space and do all
the centers. Now those guys are like, yeah, it'd be great if
they did all that, but we have one ban Yama and there's just he's
the best prospect since you know, prospects were invented. Type of stuff like
that totally reorganizes that that question in favor of whoever has him. So yeah,
you but you thought does have It's not like you saw his outlook is
bleak. I mean that you would put them five right. People have about
this team. Let's get to this one from it's Alan Uh. They say,
if the Lakers have all their guys healthy, they should be the favorites
to get out of the Western Conference. Their matchups against the Nuggets, Slash
Sun Slash Warriors are all excellent, too hotter and hot grant. I mean,
first of all, that's one of the biggest ifs that you could lay
out there. Start start from there, because even if Lebron does just miss
the three weeks from that initial diagnosis, like he's you know, him and
Davis are both just about as likely to get get injured again as anybody.
But let's not let's not fight the hypothetical if they're all healthy. I can't
it's it's too hot. I can't get to them being better than in it.
So I could see them beating like either Denver or Phoenix or whatever other
team you want to throw in there. I don't think they have enough to
get all the way through all those teams, Like it wouldn't blow my mind
if they upset somebody, But I don't see it happening over to take three
series to come out of the West. That that is like just the health.
We have to circle back to the health factor there too, Like do
you do you think that it's likely that everybody stays healthy through those three series?
And then even if they do, you can't pop there's no way you're
you're going to favor them to win three series straight, right, it depending.
You know, even if they get like a hypothetically easy path through the
West, I can't get there, can you? No? I can't.
I mean it's if you want to say that they're gonna win a playoff series,
if they're sure, but I mean, and I will say, Look,
they've been even with the Lebron injury, the deal injury, they've been
a lot more watchable. The offense is still sloggy, but hey, it's
almost like that's what happens when you're missing your two best shot creators playmakers and
two of your best shot like makers. In general, they have the league's
best defense since the trade deadline. Did you know that Anthony Davis is playing
againspired basketball. I know that you've known that. So if you wanted to
say the Lakers will win the play in definitely not too lot. If you
want to say they'd win a playoff series, I think it's hot, but
it's not, you know, incoherently hot. I think this is, with
all due respect, of course, incoherently hot. All right, this is
from Jake from State Farm. Anthony Davis never deserved to be on the top
seventy five NBA players list. Get him off. Get him out of there.
Hot or not. I'm like, that's too hot, right, Like,
that's just I know that he gets a bad rap for injuries. But
if we're gonna put someone, I do believe it. If you're gonna say
that Anthony Davis didn't belong on that list, then Kawhi Leonard didn't belong on
that list. Because what is your rationale behind putting Leonard over Davis? Is
it you value wing play more? Is it Kawhi Leonard's been a finals MVP,
okay fair, he's won one more championship as well, But like it,
why are you leaving Davis off? Is it just because of the availability
or is it something about his play style? And if you're then saying,
well, he can't be the best player on a championship team, there's a
shitload of people that need to come off that top seventy five. So I
think this is too hot. What about you? I mean, it's so
I can't pull up everybody's resume, but you can't. I think a lot
of people are compelled by the fact that, yeah, like he's for most
of his career he's been either the best player on the teams that weren't great
or outside of the bubble, the second best player on teams that are pretty
good. But like, just go through he's got. He's got four top
ten finishes and MVP voting the highest was third. He's got just scanning through
it. He's been All NBA First Team one two three, four times Defensive
First Team one two, three times First Team All Rookie, like eight All
Star games. I think, like, I think it can be true that
you can sort of be skeptical about his ability to be the best player on
a team that goes really far right now, but you can't ignore that this
guy, like for stretches of his career, has been the best defensive player
in the league, the you know, the best player on a title winner.
You know, there's all these little blips, and then the resume itself,
I think is ultimately go to gonna justify it. So that's a little
too hot for me, even if, like, if you really care about
durability and like all that other stuff, then I guess. But you know,
I don't think it's crazy that he's on the list. Just to answer
Philips Who's question, the Pelicans will get two attery picks this year. That
is indeed too hot because they only have one draft pick this year. They
have the ability to swap with the Lakers. They do not have the Lakers
pick out right, so the real one would be hot or not. The
Pelicans will have the pelicans own pick will be better than the Lakers pick.
And that's just not hot at this point because it seems like uh and uh
anthy Davis. It seems like Zion Williamson won't be playing again this season.
The magic you're gonna have to though, and that team is gonna get real
good, you know again, they're gonna load up. I want to blow
through this one because from Jake from State Farm because I don't think it's it's
hot enough. But hot or not, Mike Brown should be Coach of the
Year. I'm good with it, not too hot. I think that's I
think that's fine. I was. I was kind of on board with like
Joe Mazoula has had a high degree of difficulty, but I think there there's
been some fair criticism of him lately and Boston has slipped. I don't know
where else you'd like to go with that award, But I mean, the
freaking Kings are the second seed in the West and they've been horrible for twenty
years. Like it's like we're not talking. There's not there's a very thin
margin for error in the West, but like the Kings have a larger one
than most teams. Now they are they are still six losses ahead of the
fifth place Dallas Mavericks. So like there's a separation between them in the middle
of the West, which to me matters. And the other thing with Mike
Brown the Kings, we've talked about this. The King's defensive shot profile is
a plus plus plus plus yea and to do that with this personnel is a
big deal. They feel like, I don't want to say one player short,
but it feels like they could sort of futs and fiddle and if you
just get some another interior defensive presence or a interior defensive presence on this team
and then just another wing defender, you're you're going to be in business.
So I think it's him someone who's not getting enough love. And there wasn't
interested in this discussion. In our discord about this is that we might just
be drawn towards new coaches or unproven coaches. I still feel like Mark dagnell
Is needs to be in this mix. I mean, if especially the Thunder
make the play in. I don't know if it could ever go to a
team that's gonna finish below five hundred and Mike Brown is my pick right now.
I want to make that absolutely clear. I am wondering if Tom Thibodeau
could get some last minute love as well if the Knicks finished like fourth or
third or something. I think people, much like Julius Randall's most Improved All
NBA campaign, they'll be reticent. They'll be reticent to do that. But
I'm just curious if he ends up finishing in the top five or something.
Yeah, I think Jack Vaughan might get some votes to like, not gonna
win it, but season just surviving. Yeah, I think it's if Brown
doesn't win it, I think it's gonna be pretty pretty shocking. Let's see.
I wanted to ask you because I love I love the trade ones.
This is still from Jake from State Farm. The Heat should trade Jimmy and
Kyle if they can get anything back for Kyle, which is dubious at this
point, and focus on Bam and Tyler. This is really just in the
Minambi. He should trade Jimmy Butler. This offseason. I just I can't
get there because he's We've talked abut him. He's basically like a top five
player in the playoffs. Like that's just the way he plays and his style
translate to the postseason. This isn't a merchant of foul shots who can't get
foul shots in the playoffs. And look in the playoffs, he just decides
to take and make more threes too. What would like? I think I
would feel differently if you told me they were in the situation of the Lakers
the Clippers where they were so asset strapped, but like they can trade up
to three first round picks this summer, and so I'm looking to augment what
I already have. I think this is. I do think you could get
a Capslock haul, Capslock, a Talent Italics bold Tex haul for Jimmy Butler.
Still, yeah, that's being said, And I know I know that
some people might not like his contract. Looking at the Heat, probably from
a ten thousand fo of view, I don't think Heat fans want to get
rid of him, Like, what are you getting for Jimmy Butler? And
bam at a bio on top of here are good enough? Now that you're
not really you're rebuilding then around what you get in them. It's not,
oh, we're gonna have a top end draft pick to pair them with after
And so I'd say, I mean, no here, I think or I
believe it's it's just too hot. I agree, like I get it.
I think the Heat do need to find ways to one, you know,
pay players that are actually helping them a little a little more effectively, and
you know, get off of some of these contracts. But Butler's I just
would not start with Butler because like there's a real case that he's been a
top ten player in the league all year and even better than that. He
like he's third in EPM and he's eighth in raptor. Like, you know,
he has his flaws and the durability is a concern, but like,
if you're trying to win a championship, there are not that many guys you'd
rather have than Butler, even at his price point over the next like two
three years. So and that's that's always what the heater trying to do.
So I don't think, sure if you can move lowry, like you have
to say with you know, Duncan Robinson, But like I just don't think
any any rational path towards getting better if you're the heat begins with or involves
trading Jimmy Butler this offseason. Can't get there? Can we get to this
live line from Brett Burnett. The grizz are better off without Jaw, could
win a series, but it'll be more about matchups. Okay, that's too
hot, But there's a lot of evidence going the other way. You know,
last season, whatever they were, you know, eighteen and two at
one point, it didn't the record didn't end that well because they lost like
two or three in a row late. But you know, Tias Jones just
winning more games with the rest of the Grizzlies than Jaw last year. It
was a real thing. And I think you saw too in the playoffs when
Jaw got hurt. You know, the Warriors were they won that series anyway,
But it's very clear that teams target Jaw on defense or at least force
him to be involved, and then in a playoff series that's you know,
he's impossible to guard on his own, but if you're giving teams an out
on the other end, like that's a problem. So I'm not gonna say
I just still I'm not gonna say that they're better without him. But if
you're in that camp or and or you're just kind of fed up with him,
or you're you're you know, this is like a real niddier for like
his general public perception. You've got some evidence, you've got some hima,
but like I don't, I'm I'm not ready to say that they're better without
their you know, max supermax salary. You know, was was the face
of the league like two weeks ago. Point they're also just not better off
without him. They don't have anything to do in the half court aside from
Desmond Bane And we saw it just now in the just now the other night
in the last night in the Lakers game, that just you need you need
John Moran. And also I do think there's something too this isn't I think
it's talked about enough, but not so much as all of this extracurricular stuff
is going on. He is a really good leader, or at least selfless
to the point of it seems like teammates genuinely enjoy playing with him. Very
loyal and enthusiastic about the city of Memphis and about staying in Memphis. That
shit matters and this. We know that stuff has been going on off the
court now for over a year, but like the vibes are only sort of
starting to trick out into the public now or maybe impacting the team where Steven
Adams had that player's only meeting recently. So I do think that there's something
to the effect of not just his play, but his leadership and the way
he carries himself for his teammates and giving the Grizzlies that high profile player with
attitude on the court, where yeah, there's I don't want to have the
off court discussion with him again. I also don't want to be dismissive of
it and people. Chris Herron had a great piece on why we can't just
look at this and say, oh, you know, hopefully his mental health
is okay, because that's dismissive of people that actually have mental health problems.
So we can't just describe everything too oh he needs time away two games or
whatever for to deal with his mental health. And there's a chance he has
to come back this season. I think Mark Spears said that, and if
he doesn't, I think you're really good to see the impact of Oh,
what the Grizzlies look like without John it's just it's not going to be pretty.
Yeah, I think too, Like I was just kind of looking for
more evidence that, Oh, but maybe he's not helpful because the Grizzlies half
court scoring is their biggest issue. They score better in the half court when
he's in the game, So that's it's not if you're looking for like the
magic, Oh, this proves it that he's not helping it. That's not
there. Weirdly, they're way worse than transition when he's in the game,
which makes no sense at all considering just what he can do athletically. But
yeah, I'm not ready to get there. Let's see, let's go to
I'm trying to look for one though, can we Let's hit this one real
quick? Should be this is still from Jake State Farm. Victor Wimenyama is
not as good as people are making him out to be hot or not hot.
I mean, what is the evidence that he's not. I would need
probably more of an explanation as to why he's not as good as people thinking
it, unless you're just worried about his durability, which I don't know if
he read that long profile. Brian wynhorson Jonathan Givoni did ESPN the fact that
we focus so much on old players need to like bulk up, and they're
going to completely opposite direction with Wemby, where it seems like they're trying to
tailor make his body to grow organically, not too quickly, and also just
a ton of rest that Hey, you're gonna be lean and that's just what's
gonna happen. You're gonna survive that in the NBA. I'm more encouraged by
that than oh, he needs to pack on the muscle. There's always okay,
he's nine foot five and super skinny, you worry about his lower body.
But I just having from what I've seen of him, the hype feels
like it might not even be high enough at this point, just because I've
never seen anyone like him. I'm gonna I'm gonna parse it and and really
lawyer this question. So I think I think that there's really no argument against
his ceiling being, you know, as high as anybody's, just you sort
of can't overstate it. But his most likely outcome is not that he's gonna
be Lebron James or whatever. Like. Chances are he won't do that,
and so I guess if you're saying this is not a hot take, that's
the that's the way you're framing it. But like so, his most likely
outcome is probably something short of the greatest prospect in the generation, because it's
just like, there aren't that many of those. But his upside is just
you can't put, you can't cap it. I don't think. I think,
you know, potential wise, his ceiling is as high as literally any
player we've ever seen at this point, Peter hot or not. Wemby's a
three and not a four or five. I don't, I mean, maybe
maybe hot and so he's not a five, but I think he could play
some five eventually. But a three instead of a four, I guess the
way he works on the outside in that's probably not too hot, right I
think. I think, well, we've talked about this a little bit.
I think he's going to be a different player on either end of the floor.
I think defensively he has to be a five just because he'll destroy every
team's you know, field will percentage and a temperate in the lane. But
I think offensively he very much looks like a wing or like a stretch big,
I guess to me, I just he's That's part of why this package
is so intriguing, is he can kind of be all things. Did you
need to go? Do we need to hop off here? No, let's
do ten more minutes. Okay, so let's stick with the Wemby stuff from
unbiased Pistons fan who was watching before. So it's only right that we get
to theirs. The league, with the league will should rig the draft lottery
to place Wemby in a good market that provides the best chance for his success.
Example Orlando, okay, seat for development or Atlanta for a large market
hot or not too hot. I think you know, it's pretty important that
the league retain the appearance of integrity of the draft and the lottery because we
still talk about the frozen envelope from like almost what forty years ago now,
so that would be a bad look. Cannot get on board there, I
could look, will they No? Should they? Yes? I can get
on board with saying let's not let him get to Houston, will develop him.
The market stuff is weird because he would be fun in Atlanta, but
just like I don't really want to see him trying to develop around Trey Young
to be honest with you, and like, I would want to see him
in Utah or San Antonio. So do I think that it should be market
based? No, that would be from a business perspective that would make the
most sense. Let's get him. Let's get him in Atlanta, because you
can't get him in LA. They don't on their own pick where you forced
the Pelicans to not swap picks with the Lakers, that the Lakers win the
dre the Lakers win the lottery, and then the Pelicans decide not to swap
the pick. But yeah, I would. I don't want to see his
career just get derailed because I do think that the organization you wind up with
has a lot of say in how you turn out as a player, hot
or not. Future Houston Rocket James Harden would actually be a good thing for
women Yama's development because all he does is feed All he does is feed the
ball to Joel Embiid right now. I mean, I can imagine he could
do the same for women Yama. Uh my god, could you imagine like
what he would be showing victor Or Miyama who needs twelve hours to sleep a
night right now and he's in the strip clubs with James Harden until four o'clock
in the morning and they got shoot around at Nah. Yeah, you might
want someone else offering lifestyle and fitness advice. Do you how is? Oh
man? This is? This is spicy from JT Alexander. Are you ready?
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Hot or not, Franz
Wagner is more important in Orlando's future than Palo ban Caro way too hot,
and I think we both love h Franz. I think he's continued to improve.
I think he plays a position that you always want, just a big
He's basically a big wing, but he's like the size of what power forwards
used to be so super valuable. Gonna be a good player, probably makes
some All Star teams, but bank Carro is just like he's just your He's
the number one option, you know, shot creator, high volume scorer that
has the size and really like I think Wagner showed up with way more craft
than we expected based on his collegiate career. But bank Carro already just has
just so many ways to score, and he's so it's hard to speed him
up. Like he can be inefficient as a jump shooter. I think that's
gonna come around, just because he has such good feel and instincts and just
skill in so many other areas. So like, I feel like I don't
know, I've probably already said more than is necessary to say that Bank Caro,
who's gonna has had Rookie of the Year sewn up since like late October,
is more valuable long term. Any other one stand this one is,
let's get to it very quickly. I'm sorry to come and deer this,
but thor hot or not, the twenty ten, two thousand and eleven an
MVP should have went to Lebron instead of Derrick Rose well or Dwight Howard Howard.
Sorry, that's like I think Zach Low has like championed that over the
years. I don't know, man, you know I did go down the
old the Derrick Rose YouTube rabbit hole, like within the last couple of weeks,
and when you see all those old Bulls highlights, it's just like I
think even I think even Prime Westbrook athletically could not touch Derrick Rose, just
the sheer violence of like how athletically he moved laterally verdict, he was just
he was just a different type of guy. Yeah, I don't know.
I guess you could always I think Howard, though, you do the same
thing with Howard. You go down the Howard YouTube rabbit hole and like no
one his size has ever moved like that. I don't think. I mean,
there's maybe a handful of guys, so I think you could give it
to anybody. I sort of enjoy the Derrick Rose MVP so and I don't
want that taken away. I don't think this is too hot because it should
have gone to Lebron or Dwyne Howards, someone who actually wrote about this a
few years ago. I believe that it should have gone to Lebron or the
statistical cases like Ironclad that Rose should not have won it, right, Yeah,
So I mean, if you're basing it on athetics, I guess,
okay, but Dwight Howard was still Superman at that point, right. I
want to get to there was one I saw here that I thought would be
good. No name for god Nick's end up in the Eastern Conference finals.
That's too hot because I think you need to You're gonna have to beat Boston
or Philly to get there. That would be too hot. I guess if
you don't. Actually, I'm gonna say it's not too hot, because if
you don't have to play Milwaukee, if the bracket sets up that you can
get to the Eastern Conferensations. But I'll play Milwaukee. You've already shown that
you could beat Boston. Obviously, a series is different. I think Philly
is just vulnerable. Their transition defense is better, but weird, and they
go through these laws. There's the James Harden playoff track record. Of course,
I'm gonna say not too hot. What say you? Yeah, it's
hard. I think the how the matchup shake out are just the only thing
they matters here because if you, as it is right now, say they
win the four or five against Cleveland and then you just you got Milwaukee.
I don't see that happening. But if you can figure out how to slip
a little lower or even climbed to third, then I think maybe we're in
business. That's a long way to third though, so they basically have it's
just the path is tough. Like just logistically I'm not sure they can they
can get where they need to. But like that's not to say that they're
just objectively not on the level of you know, even Cleveland, but I
think the matchups really are important for getting them that far. This one is
all sorts of spicy from HP Burgie, says Jaden McDaniels, and Edwards will
be a better version of Jason Tatum than Jail Brown. We are saving the
hottest ones for last way too hot, I mean, I mean really like
Edwards, I mean Tatum. Tatum's on a different level. Like Edwards will
hopefully someday be in the MVP conversation as often as Tatum is. But like
I think right now there's a decent case to be made that Brown is is
as good or better than Edwards just today. So like, that's that's a
tough Like McDaniels has got a pretty heavy lift to reach where where Brown is
right now. And that's assuming that this is only a conversation than if Edwards
becomes as good as Tatum and or better, I guess so, uh that
that's that's a that's a little too hot for me going to just to respond
to James here. Hot or not, Clippers miss the playoffs if they don't
kick Ross. We actually basically already did this one. Head to the twelve
forty nine mark of this podcast, James after after we're done, so appreciate
the question. Uh, can we get to some of these? Uh?
I have to ask you the Jordan Pool one? Can I ask you?
Can I ask you the Jordan Pool one? Hot or not? Jordan Pool
will be traded over the off season. I can just see your inner monologue
conflicting itself, contradictorial. I think I think that is that is not a
hot take at all. I think I think actually we've probably talked about this
a little bit, maybe it was off air. If they could have traded
him this year, I think he would have been one of the biggest names,
like in the rumor mill. I mean, they could have, but
but the poison pill situation with this contract just made it just not feasible.
I think he's kind of the He's kind of the lever to poll or the
card to play if you're if you're trying to change the makeup of this team,
because you just, you know, not trading Curry Clay Thompson makes too
much slash year not trading him. Draymond might be a free agent anyway,
and if you bring him back, it'll be on a cheaper deal. Wiggins,
are you I don't think they're gonna trade Wiggins because when he's right,
he offers them something they don't get from anyone else on the roster. So
Pool is the guy that feels duplicative in Pool is like I just I think
the lows are so low that I imagine that And maybe this is tying all
the way back to the Draymond Green punch. There's just a lot of guys
in and around that team that are you know, that have had it,
but you know, or at least you know week to week or game to
game. There's just moments. I mean, Draymond Green about walked off the
floor last night against the Thunder when Pool missed him cutting middle and Green just
quit on the offensive play, walked away while the Thunder ran down and scored.
And like, I think that's emblematic of how some of the players feel
about the way Pool plays sometimes. And just he hasn't been productive, He
hasn't been good enough this year. So I don't know who around the league
is going to say because this is a type of player he has to be.
He has to be the guy I think that has the ball a ton
and is driving your offense. Because he doesn't do enough well in other areas
to be like a role player or like a support piece. So I don't
know what team is going to say this is our guy to run the show
or at least, you know, be a huge piece. But I think
the Warriors will at least explore it and should and they should because there just
aren't a lot of other options to change, you know, the makeup of
the team. I'm with everything you said there. Do we want to alternate
through We'll make this the final and the contract one from this is still not
Dan, I swear yes, I'll give you the first one here. So,
uh, these players hot or not? These players will get twenty five
million or more average anual value in new contracts or extensions over the off season.
The first one, Darling and current six man leader after ridiculous games Lately
is Emmanuel Quickly. I'm gonna say not too hot, because four for one
ten for Manuel Quickly is like less than twenty five percent of the salary new
salary caps. I'm gonna say not too hot. Yeah, I'm with you
on that one. Hot or not, so this player will receive more than
twenty five million dollars in the next contract per year in the next contract HoTT
or not Gary Trench Junior. I don't know why, just Gary Trench Junior.
Yeah, that's hot. I think I think twenty maybe, but I'm
not sure I could see getting all the way up to twenty five. He's
been better than RJ. Barrett, who well or for one oh seven guaranteed
you don't think heves that, and he's he's only twenty four, by the
way he is. Do you think do you think around now this is a
separate question from what the feeling around the league should be, But do you
think people around the league think Trent Junior is a more valuable player than Barrett?
Yes? Right now? You think so? Yeah? I think Barrett
still has the weird like high draft pick prospect sheen, even though I don't
think he deserves it. But is that too hot? Is that too out
of a take to say Barrett does not deserve to be regarded the way he
is now? I mean the guys the floor to close games sometimes. Still,
Yeah, that's I guess that's hot. It's just really funny you're afraid
in that Barretts catching strays? Sorry? Okay, uh, Well, Devin
Vassel more or less hot or not? Gonna get twenty five million a year
on his next deal. Not too hot, Yeah, agree, Desmond Baine.
He's gonna get thirty like he's gonna get the He might be a max
player, I think, And that wouldn't be ridiculous to me. Harrison Barnes,
I think that's too hot. He's just getting a little up there in
age. But he just keeps walking into these twenty plus million dollars a year
contracts basically, so I wouldn't put it past them. We're gonna get to
the end of his career and look back and be like that guy made four
hundred million dollars. Believe it. You ever do that on Basketball Reference,
Just go down there and look at like, holy shit, like these guys
have made so much more. Barnes is gonna be a half billionaire by the
time you've done all right? Oh yeah, you have to give me the
next one. Kyle Kuzma. Uh, the Wizards are gonna do it,
aren't they. They're gonna twenty five you think he gets that's Baally doubling his
salary right now from thirteen to twenty five. That's how the Wizards operate.
They just what we're gonna broadcast to the league that we pay our guys,
even though no one around the league actually gives a shit about that that he's
they would have traded him if they weren't ready to just pay what it's gonna
cost. So I think that is not too hot. I think Kuzma is
gonna get overpaid and make more than twenty five I think you're on the next
one right at my eln Okay, Cam Johnson, I think that's too hot.
He seems like he's gonna end up in the eighteen to twenty two million
dollars range, maybe even less because of his injury and just he has he's
been fine, Like he hasn't been spectacular in in Brooklyn. You're looking at,
regardless, this complimentary player. And I think he's gonna, you know,
the closing kick this year, he's gonna continue shooting hundred thirty five percent
from three is probably not a red flag, but something to monitor. And
he's older too, I mean that's been that's been a topic since the draft.
So you're you're you're not necessarily you know, if you're gonna go four
years with him, that's a little different than going four years on a guy
that's like twenty two or twenty three for a second contract, our final one,
D'Angelo Russell, Oh Man, can't you just see I don't think that's
I don't think that's too hot. I think he just feels like a three
for one hundred guy or something like that, you know. I just I
can see that deal getting done on the button. Yeah, just like three
for seventy five, which would be less that he's making right now, by
the way, right, That's the thing is, I think that's why I
went to three, you know, three for one hundred or three for ninety
or something like that feels feels in the neighborhood to me, And like,
I mean, it may have a lot to do with how he looks with
the rest of the Lakers, assuming everybody's on the floor. I mean,
you know, I think this is a situation where if he can be like
a real value add like positive on a team that has two other stars on
it, like this sort of and just I don't know. I don't think
people in Minnesota were sorry to see him go necessarily, so that gives me
some pause. But I think if he plays well with Lebron and Davis,
the Lakers will just be like yeah, whatever, we're committed. Well,
if they can't go get Kyrie, there's a lot of ifs involved in No.
I mean, first all, they shouldn't go get Kyrie. They should
Risan Delo, Keith Vanderbilt and keep Beasley and then Kyrie want to take a
discount, that's the route to go. I don't think that's too hot.
Did you want to take us out? Yeah? Thanks for the questions everybody
except for definitely still not Danny Fabbs twenty twenty three and this still is not
Dan, I swear and not Dan promise. You're really just monopolizing these these
hotter nuts. Good questions, though, I'm looking at it now. We
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