1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,000 What is krack Lack and fellow thermonuclear a appers. I am Damp Valley, 2 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,920 joined by my certified fintabulous co host, Grant Choose Grant Hughes. Grant choose, 3 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,519 Grant choose on what I don't know? I don't know Grant Grant Hughes 4 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,479 Happy, Hot or Not? Three point zero day. This is the third 5 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,200 edition we've done with this. We have a ton of submissions that we will 6 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 get to and well if there are any good live ones, this is hot 7 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:42,520 or Not. We're not answering random mail, bad questions like if you have 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,600 a hot take you want to run by us. There's basically no one watching 9 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:48,280 right now since we just started. You can feel free to run it by 10 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:51,679 us and we will try to get to it before we get started. Look, 11 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,600 if you haven't subscribed, this is your first time checking us out Apple, 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,119 Spotify, on YouTube, subscribe across all platforms. If you've done all 13 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,240 those things, please tell people about us, Retweet our promo, shout us 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,759 out on Twitter, pole quote us. We will retweet you if you tag 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,560 us, or at least I will. Grant probably checks Twitter once every millennia, 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,719 so we appreciate that and join our discord. The link to that is 17 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:14,159 in the podcast and YouTube description. This is not a hot take, but 18 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:19,519 grant I hope that you're doing well. Are you doing well well? Hot 19 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:25,359 or not? I still never know if I was supposed to say it's hot 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,760 or not if I agree with the statement. So I'm doing well, and 21 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,280 it is not a hot take to say I'm doing well, So I guess 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,519 I guess not. This is you know, we'll do better. We're gonna 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,280 work up to it, to the smoothness of our hot or not verdicts, 24 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:44,159 So yeah, we'll get there. Some great questions are some great they're not 25 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:48,000 really questions. They are more like statements that we judge the hotness or not 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,879 noness of right. That's that's the way we're framing this. And as we 27 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:53,959 wait for stragglers to come in here, I think we're gonna go through I 28 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:57,280 don't know who this person is, but definitely still not Danny Fabs twenty thirty 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,040 three. They gave us a bunch, and so while we're waiting for actual 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,120 live viewers more of them to come in, we will we will go through 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,840 this one because I feel like this person is just basically irrelevant, but they 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,479 really seem to have like an astute observation and grasp of what constitutes a worthwhile 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,360 hot take. That's all. That's all. I don't know who this person 34 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:20,080 is, but they really, they really seem to grasp the nature of this 35 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:24,120 exercise. Yeah, let me throw this first one to you here, since 36 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,960 this is all new to you and you're unfamiliar with any of these. So 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,599 the first one we have is the Kings are more likely to win a playoff 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,639 series than the Grizzlies, hot or not. But at this point, and 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,080 it's not the John Morant stuff, which I discussed on an earlier podcast if 40 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,840 you want to hear more in detail, and you also shouldn't want to hear 41 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,680 more from mister white Dude depth of Valley on the matter anyway. But there's 42 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:51,439 of course the John Morant aspect of it. Brandon Clark tearing his achilles. 43 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:53,479 We still don't have a timeline for Steven Adams's return. By the way, 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,759 they've been dog shit. When Luke and Ard is playing on the floor with 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,360 them, we're shooting the ball well, but he's being targeted on defense. 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,560 Doesn't help that he's mostly playing with one of Jaron Jackson Junior or Dylan Brooks 47 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,719 or neither of them. I don't see it from this team. They had 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:14,039 very clear, glaring flaws. Lukenard address some of them without papering over enough 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,319 of them to, you know, to make them a real playoff threat in 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,400 my mind. And now the Kings are two matchups. It's all about matchups. 51 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,599 We know this. If they have to run into a full strength lanker 52 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,680 squad in the first round, people pick the Lakers if the Clippers or Mavericks 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,319 drop that low. But I think at this point, even if we're talking, 54 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,280 let's just say a team faces the Timberwolves, where they face the Lakers, 55 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,639 if it's I'm picking the Kings to beat those teams before I'm picking the 56 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,240 Grizzlies at this point, I don't know how you feel about that. Yeah, 57 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,240 So really it sounds like what you're it's more that you just don't have 58 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,560 faith in the Grizzlies winning a series almost full stop, as opposed to, 59 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:50,039 Oh, the Kings are just you know, objective, because I don't think 60 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,240 either of us has a ton of faith in the Kings winning a playoff series 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,960 either. But it's just kind of the Grizzlies. Every every arrow is like 62 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:59,879 just going in the wrong direction for them right now. I don't think that. 63 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,840 I think that's probably not a hot take. I think that's that's accurate, 64 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:10,879 although like you know, we we are we are maybe just ignoring because 65 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:14,479 there's all these really conspicuous things that are wrong with Memphis and they've lost three 66 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,759 straight and all this other stuff. But we can't just pretend like the Kings 67 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:20,160 are going to stop anybody, right like that. That's like, that's just 68 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,160 the real factual flaw with that team that you know, Yeah, it's a 69 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,959 problem that Memphis is coming off, you know, is coming and glued a 70 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,439 little bit in so many ways. But like the Kings have been super healthy, 71 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:35,439 super cohesive all year, and they just are atrocious defense. So I 72 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,399 don't know, I don't have a lot of faith in either of them, 73 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,079 which is wild to say about the second and third seed, but but yeah, 74 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,240 the trend lines are going the wrong way for Memphis for sure. Hot 75 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:49,879 or not, Grant Hughes, a tend seed will win one of the play 76 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:59,240 in tournaments. That's so tough. I think I think that's probably too hot. 77 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:03,920 And that's just because I, like, you know, for example, 78 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:09,319 Miami is in the play tournament in the East right now, So I'm putting 79 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,199 them in. And then you've got I like Atlanta and Toronto better than Washington. 80 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:16,040 Who's tenth, although like who's to Saint Like what if Atlanta falls to 81 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,639 ten? It's it's a little early, but I just the bottom of each 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,120 play in range start is starting to look like really suspect to me. Now, 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,480 if Portland or something managed to come in at ten and you got two 84 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,079 hot games from Dame Lillard, maybe that changes it. But it feels a 85 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:36,800 little too hot for me. I'm more so this one feels more directed towards 86 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:41,839 the Western Conference because you could, in theory, think of the ten SEE 87 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:46,439 candidates, the Pelicans of Zion comes back even though thunder just like if they're 88 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,319 the ten see, they're they're scrappy as hell. And then what if the 89 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:54,439 Lakers are just there the ten seed, but they have Lebron and DiAngelo Russell. 90 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:56,959 Those feel like teams that could we have. We haven't even seen the 91 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:59,920 ten seed win one play in game yet, by the way, So it's 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,240 definitely it's hot. I just don't think it's irrationally hot. Looking at the 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,959 tenseee candidates in the West. I don't see the Wizards. Like maybe if 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,759 the if it were the Raptors or the Hawks that collapsed and fell to ten, 95 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,560 But like if it's the Wizards, I, you know, that's really 96 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,279 uninspiring to predict a tenseee when there but in the West, I just feel 97 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:24,040 like, Okay, there's the margins between three and we're four and thirteen or 98 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,759 so small to begin with that is it really outside the Roman possibility? If 99 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,920 you know, if it's the Blazers, no, I wouldn't predict it. 100 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:31,639 If it's the Jazz, we're actively trying not to be the ten see would 101 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,879 be like the thirteen seed. No, I wouldn't predict it. But like, 102 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,120 just under the context of some of these teams, I could see it 103 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:44,399 happening this year. Yeah, Okay, I love this one. I'm just 104 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,959 so glad that not still not. Danny Fabbs twenty twenty three thought of it. 105 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:53,120 Damian Lillard will make First Team All NBA And just for some context, 106 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,600 like I don't think either of us had him on as a starter in the 107 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,480 All Star Game. I think he sort of had to get in as like 108 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:03,360 as a as a wild card. Maybe I think that's how I got him 109 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,319 in So the fact that we're asking this question or raising this this idea right 110 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,839 now is kind of wild considering, uh, you know, where he was 111 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,040 like in our estimation a month ago or a little a little less than that. 112 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:21,720 Really yeah, and I I kind of skew is it not hot? 113 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:27,040 Because when you look at so when you look at the first team guard discussion, 114 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 it's Lucatan Chich just has one of those spots up. So there's one 115 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,399 to doll out. And I think for the longest time that was Steph's to 116 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,600 lose, and I think that his injury made him lose it. So I 117 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:44,959 don't know. Then it becomes between Dame and Shay Gil just Alexander here. 118 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:46,680 To me, I don't know if you would throw anyone else into that discussion. 119 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,160 I will say Dame is having like one of the most quiet, historically 120 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:57,800 awesome seasons in recent memory. So I was looking this up. Eighty three 121 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,040 including this year, there's been eighty three times. Actually surprised it's this low, 122 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,759 but eighty three times a players averaged over thirty points per game. Damian 123 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,839 Lillard true shooting percentage this season among that group ranks fourth. There's the two 124 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,160 Steph seasons that rank out of him and then one from Adrian Danley that's fucking 125 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,839 wild. So he's just been and he's shooting a career high from two point 126 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:22,040 range, getting the free throw line more than ever. He's just been absolutely 127 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,759 incredible, and with Shay, who's been incredible himself. The Thunder did say 128 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,319 they're gonna monitor and manage his minutes with that ab strain. I know a 129 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,279 lot of people took it as oh, that they're tanking, and I misspoke. 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,279 I forgot that his extension started. He doesn't get the max extension if 131 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,039 he makes the All NBA team, So I apologize to anyone who was listening 132 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,799 to the NIXT Film School podcasts in which I said that. But just like, 133 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,720 I think they've graduated from subtly tanking to like, that's not what they're 134 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,279 doing. It's a real injury. But he played his past two games, 135 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,399 he's been spectacular, and he's played a bunch of minutes. So I think 136 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,200 this comes down to unless you would add anyone there, would you have Dame 137 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,440 or Shay in that second All UMBA first team guard spot or do you think 138 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,159 there's enough time for Steph Curry to reclaim it. So I don't think there's 139 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,320 enough time it is. I think it is Dame. I think I think 140 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,720 it's like you, it's a rebuttable presumption at this point, like you have 141 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,080 to have some really compelling evidence to say it is not Dame. Because he's 142 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,919 fourth in the league. In EPM, he's third, just behind Luca and 143 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:24,679 Raptors you know, total and then and their cumulative as well, and wins 144 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,519 above replacement. So it's just like there's the statistical case. It's pretty much 145 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:33,440 ironclad. So if SGA goes on some crazy run, maybe because SGA has 146 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,360 played just like, you know, roughly one hundred more minutes, so the 147 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,279 volumes there and really their teams are you know, in lockstep in the standings 148 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,200 too, so if one or the other were to go make some crazy surge 149 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,799 and that would sway uh, some people's opinions towards Shay maybe if if that 150 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,320 team is the thunder that you know, climbs into the higher spots in the 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,480 play. But like Courageous hasn't played enough, the Warrior's record when he has 152 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:00,960 played has been just way worse than it has been and almost in any other 153 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,279 season it used to just be the splits were off the charts crazy, and 154 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,879 now I'm pretty sure their record is better without him than with him. This 155 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,240 year, there's no credible argument to be made that the Warriors are better without 156 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,960 Steph Curry on the court. But just if you're looking for reasons to elevate 157 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,840 him over someone like Lillard that's had just an objectively better year, that's not 158 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,679 there. So you mentioned this, I think the way I'm looking at Dame 159 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:28,279 season this year, just to kind of pile on the praise. He's thirty 160 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,080 two and this is the best season he's ever had. He's true shooting percentages 161 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,120 and never been higher, never gotten to the line more, box plus minus, 162 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,159 has never been higher. Scoring average for anyone that still cares about that, 163 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,960 even though we're kind of apples and oranges in it, because scoring is 164 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,240 up everywhere, has never been higher. This is just like, this is 165 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,440 wild because it was not that long ago that it turns out he was injured 166 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,279 and that was the reason. But it was kind of like, oh man, 167 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,759 last year before they shut him down and he had surgery on that adductor, 168 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,039 it was like he's slipped. Now, you know, this happens to 169 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,759 smaller guards. It's too bad. You know, sometimes it goes quickly and 170 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,679 just not only has he not slipped, he's he is better than he's ever 171 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,639 been, which is wild because he's, you know, before it's all done, 172 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,039 he's probably gonna make ten All Star Games and seven or eight All NBA, 173 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,120 and he's gonna be sure he probably is a surefire Hall of Famer if 174 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,159 he stopped right now. And this is as good as he has ever been. 175 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,759 So he's got to be on that first team. So it's not hot, 176 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:30,080 then, No, that's the correct take h this one. Let's do 177 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,799 a live one. This one's interesting from Peto. Next year's Rookie of the 178 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,799 Year race is going to be way better than the Mobley Barnes cade. They 179 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,720 have Chet versus versus Wemby versus Scoot and who else I forgot? I forgot 180 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:46,519 about Chet. Yeah, So is that hot or not? Next year for 181 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,519 year race will be better than twenty twenty two? Is Rookie of the Year? 182 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,159 Raise that's a little hot because it presumes there's going to be a race, 183 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,000 and I think there's a good chance that Wemby just kind of Pollo Bank 184 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:01,639 harrows it and within like the first three in Houston. What's that even if 185 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,919 he's in Houston, if he's anything close to what he's supposed to be, 186 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,519 this shouldn't be a competition. And like I just you know, we can't. 187 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,960 We can't spend an entire year. It will be well, not quite 188 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,159 a year, but basically since October when that G League Knight had that showcase 189 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,639 game against his team, back to back games where he went from he's the 190 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,159 number one, pick two, he's the best prospects since and then you'd throw 191 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:30,639 out whatever you know, mega super duperstar you wanted to Tim Duncan or Lebron 192 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,679 or Anthony Davis or however far back you want to go. So I think 193 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,080 there is a chance that if Scoot ends up in like a perfect situation, 194 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,559 maybe that's close. But I'm gonna need to see Holmegrin looking pretty good before 195 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,960 I before I get on board with that. Yeah. Unbiased Pistons fan notes 196 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,679 Brandon Miller could be a high volume of scorer. He might belong on that 197 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,600 list as well. But if Wemby is like what he's supposed to be, 198 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,120 this shouldn't be. It would be a surprise to me if it were a 199 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,919 competition at all, let alone a close one. So it's a little too 200 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,480 hot for me. Grand Hues. Hot or not, the MAVs or Clippers 201 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:09,320 will miss the playoffs. And by this, I mean they can get to 202 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,840 the play in and they will, but they won't make it to a first 203 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:20,080 round series. So what does that look like? You gotta have? So 204 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,720 Dallas is gonna have to slip. The Clippers are gonna have to stay where 205 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,399 they are or slip. Dallers almost lost to a Jazz team that is actively 206 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,320 trying to lose. Yeah, it took a lot of points from Kyrie down 207 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,639 the stretch of that one too. And I love all these stats about how 208 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:37,320 Luca and Kyrie are the first teammates to each score one hundred points over three 209 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,039 games in a row, and it's just like, well, yeah, I 210 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:43,200 mean, no one else is going to score on that team. What are 211 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,320 they supposed to do? So I'm gonna say that's a little too hot, 212 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:56,080 and it is because I just think even with the Clippers having so many issues, 213 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,759 and even with the MAVs having so many issues, I can't if you 214 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,440 only Lebron is gonna be healthy for the Lakers, then that's different. But 215 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,360 like New Orleans has falling apart the Thunder and Blazers are just are not in 216 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,519 it right now. I don't know you're giving me the ore though it's close, 217 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,320 because I can pick one or the other. It's a little too hot, 218 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,279 so like a little like five degrees too hot for me. I'm just 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,480 gonna call it. I think one of them is gonna fuck up in the 220 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,679 play in I don't. I mean the MAVs being five right now, I 221 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,720 guess really bozes well for them, but that just I mean that just means 222 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,440 they have two more losses than the twelfth place too fewer losses than the twelfth 223 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,399 place Blazers, and I don't trust their defense. I think that's the team 224 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,600 I'd be more worried about, actually. But also the big thing with the 225 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,559 Clippers is they appear bent on tanking because the whole it's and it's not Russ's 226 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:48,320 fault, but the fact that they decided to play Russ and Eric Gordon and 227 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,919 Marcus Morris more than Batoum and Terrence Mann. And you have Gordon and Westbrook 228 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,879 now closing games. I just like Russ starting over Terrence Mann is one thing, 229 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,480 But like Gordon and Russ closing game over Terrence Man, unless they like 230 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,240 sort of wake up. The offense has been bad when Russ plays with Kawhi 231 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,159 Leonard and Paul George, Like that's where's how many more red flags do you 232 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,960 need? And so I almost want to say it's so obvious they will change 233 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,559 things around. But if they're just gonna try and continue to make this work, 234 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,519 maybe they're the more likely answer. But I could just see. Look, 235 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,000 I mean when you look at the teams that Dallas, so they get 236 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,120 two playing games and they're gonna I mean like they could wind up having to 237 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,360 face the Clippers technically in the play in, and then there's the Lakers and 238 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,000 the Pelicans, who, yeah, they probably won't have Zion. So just 239 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,559 like if it falls right, maybe the Timberwolves are in there, Like I 240 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,120 could see them losing just two one off games. This is absolutely a team 241 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 that could lose two one off games. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 242 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,279 Let's see, I'm gonna throw one to you now here. Oh perfect 243 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:48,399 the hot or not, the Knicks will win more than fifty games, So 244 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,759 they gotta go twelve and three or better the rest of the way, which 245 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:54,279 doesn't seem that hard for a team that won what ten in a row. 246 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,000 Nine in a row before that street ended against the Hornets. I might add 247 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,320 and schedule loss. Yeah, you have the jail. Yeah, they've been 248 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,320 playing so many just epic games that Manuel quickly locked fifty five minutes and that 249 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,720 double O team win against Boston, it was sort of just like they did 250 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,000 have a big lead, but they were gassed by the end. I don't 251 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,159 it's hot, because twelve and three is like really hard to do, but 252 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,080 their schedule is not that bad the rest of the way. We know tips 253 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:25,120 isn't gonna rest anybody when especially when there's like first round home court advantage on 254 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:27,840 the line. The jail and Brunson injury is it worries me a little bit, 255 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:30,799 but it feels like they were just like, oh, okay, we're 256 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,679 gonna give him a night off here. The way that Brunson's been playing, 257 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Randall's been playing, Heart's been playing, Emmanuel Quickly has been playing. This 258 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,360 absolutely feels like a team that, when it doesn't have that difficult of a 259 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,840 schedule, could win twelve of their next fifteen games. And so I'm gonna 260 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,600 say that it's hot, but it's like it's like plausibly hot. It's it's 261 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:52,600 just a little tepid, it's like nice, it's ready to eat, it's 262 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,440 it's the perfect temperature. I really think it is what it is. Yeah, 263 00:16:55,639 --> 00:17:00,679 I think I'm with you on that. I think like fifteen does feel 264 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,759 like a real factor for me, especially if Brunson continues to miss time and 265 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,160 you're relying so much more on on some of the reserve guards and just kind 266 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,200 of moving everybody up the pecking order a little bit, both in terms of 267 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,519 playing time and just your responsibilities. That Hornet's loss was one hundred percent because 268 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:19,000 the team was tired, in my opinion, and that's just going to happen. 269 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,640 And I think maybe they had more than enough to win. Come on, 270 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:26,559 yeah, oh for sure, Well they always do. Uh gosh, 271 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,000 how many times did you pull quote that back in the day with from TIBs. 272 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,319 I used to refer to that all the time. Yeah. Same, 273 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,759 I just look, it's progress that he realizes players shouldn't be playing on one 274 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:41,079 foot and that he gave Jald Brunson the night off. That's that's a lot 275 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,319 of growth, a lot of real progress. Okay, Yeah, that's I 276 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,559 think I'm with you. There's such a thing as peeking at the right time 277 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,160 and even with Brunson out, the Knicks definitely seemed to be doing that. 278 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,000 So and that's not really true of some of the other kind of four or 279 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:59,839 five six ers, you know, seven seeds in the East. Our final 280 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,440 one from still not Dandy fabs twenty at thirty three, Grant Hughes hot or 281 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:08,240 not. The betting favorites for Defensive Player of the Year, which is Jared 282 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:15,359 Jackson Jr. And Most Improved Player lowry marketing will not win the awards. 283 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,160 This wasn't an or, this was an end. So was that too hot? 284 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:23,440 So I think the Jackson one for me, I could see the momentum 285 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,200 just going to Brook Lopez, who I think is second right now or at 286 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,119 least as in the conversation in terms of the odds. I mean, Jackson's 287 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,400 a pretty heavy favorite still, but it's just hard to sort of feel good 288 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,759 about anything, you know, any sentiments towards the Grizzlies going forward. And 289 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,640 there was like the Bucks have just put on the full court press for Lopez 290 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,640 to win Defensive Player of the Year all season, and I could see voters 291 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,960 just kind of souring on Memphis in general. So that one I could see 292 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:56,839 most improved is tough. I feel like last time I looked, SGA was 293 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,680 not was it like third or fourth I think or something and odds I should 294 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,759 I think he might be second now or Brunson was third and SGA was second 295 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,559 last time I checked. So with just those two guys, I don't think 296 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:14,160 that's too hot market and seems to have a lot of momentum. But I 297 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,039 think, like what if the Nick, if the Knicks go twelve and three 298 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,519 were just to tie back to the last question or you know, ten and 299 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,440 five or something and they secure, say the fourth seed. If Cleveland slips 300 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,000 and Brunson has a lot to do with it, I think Brunson could definitely, 301 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,920 uh, you know, at least push marketing for it, and then 302 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,079 Sga, like what if he ever just forty for over, you know, 303 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,279 over the rest of the season. Not ridiculous. So this is not sewn 304 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,799 up. I'm gonna say that's that is not too hot. I'm just curious 305 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,279 and shout out to Chris Curtis. If I get fired for chatting live on 306 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:48,960 the pot, it's worth it's worth of it. If Grant or I get 307 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,319 fired for chatting on the podcast while we're supposed to be filing, so I 308 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,839 think it's it's definitely not worth it. IM gonna let everybody know that right 309 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,640 now. I don't think it's too hot in theory, but I do believe 310 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:03,240 the defensive play of the Year discussion, it's weird that Jackson so many people 311 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:06,640 have him just sewing it up. The Grizzlies don't have the best defense in 312 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,920 the league anymore, which isn't a prerecords. I want to make that clear. 313 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,240 The bigger thing for me is he's averaging fewer than twenty eight minutes per 314 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:17,960 game. There have been two defensive Players of the Year who have averaged fewer 315 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,759 than thirty minutes per game, only one of whom who has averaged under twenty 316 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:25,880 eight. And it hasn't happened under thirty minutes per game since Michael Cooper and 317 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,440 eighty six eighty seven. And I'm just like, aren't voter is gonna look 318 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,839 at that and see that Jannis or Brook Lopez or Bam Matabayo. Maybe even 319 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:36,880 I still think Draymond Green deserves more consideration. I almost placed a bet on 320 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,079 him via via a friend because New York doesn't let you bet on player futures, 321 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,920 which is just a fucking weird distinction when we're looking at legal sports betting. 322 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,039 Plus eight thousand for Draymond Green on Defensive Player of the Year just feels 323 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:51,799 like he would be my pick. I think right now, I'm not gonna 324 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:56,160 lie, so I think not that that is in the bag is Jaren Jackson 325 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,720 Junior. Won't win, but that feels like it has a high probability of 326 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:02,440 happening. I'm more rocky on most improved player. I think when you look 327 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,240 at the lowry market in numbers, I haven't seen this material change in his 328 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,720 game. Yes there's some like you know, he's been pretty efficient out of 329 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:12,279 isolations, but he just doesn't use them very often. He's still mostly a 330 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,240 play finisher who gets set up. The way he moves is important, the 331 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,480 way he moves uses his size, excuse me, is important. I think 332 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,000 he's played more like a wing these past two seasons than ever than not just 333 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:27,039 some like you know, straightforward and that's a big deal. But to me, 334 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,200 my pick would be shakekill just Alexander because the hardest leap to make, 335 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,200 in my opinion, is from fringe star or actual star to MVP candidate, 336 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,319 and that's what he's done. The thunder of outscored opponents by more with shakekill 337 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,680 just Alexander on the court than the Mass have with Lucadachis on the court. 338 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,400 That is not a perfect you know, we can't use that as a definitive 339 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,119 case, but it also kind of matters. I just don't know voters are 340 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,960 going to look at it that way. I think Lowry Market in not the 341 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:56,799 narrative, but it's just you look at the eye popping jump in numbers itself 342 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,160 will cause it. Like he went from fort keen points per game last year 343 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,279 to twenty five this year. But he also had seasons in Chicago where I 344 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,960 think he got his high as eighteen or nineteen points per game. So I 345 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,160 don't think it's too hot between my ears, but I think in practice it's 346 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,799 gonna end up being too hot because I feel like Larry Market is just gonna 347 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,319 win the Most Improved Player award. Yeah, I think. So that's a 348 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,440 great point about the like the different types of leaps I think for Marketing in 349 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,599 I do think he's better. I think his game has changed a little bit, 350 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,480 but maybe it's I don't know what you put it at, like because 351 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,960 the guys we don't want to give this award to. Are the ones that 352 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,759 just play more or guys you know that are in their second year in the 353 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:36,480 league that suddenly are you know, a starter now or whatever. They just 354 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:41,000 get more opportunity. I think it's probably like sixty forty than sixty percent, 355 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,119 being like market is just in a bigger role on a worst team playing more. 356 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,200 But it's like the forty is like he's you know, demonstrably better at 357 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,359 certain things. Like but I think you've really clinched it for me? Is 358 00:22:52,400 --> 00:23:00,279 the SGA is wasn't isn't you know, top whatever fringe MVP guy was in 359 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,599 the top five I think for decent stretches earlier in the year and it's basically 360 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,480 been as good as he was then. It's just like the serious contenders and 361 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:12,599 just solidified themselves. So I think I think I might almost be like annoyed 362 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:18,319 if Marken and won it, became an All Star, right, like that's 363 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,119 great, he's really good. You talk should feel awesome about that. But 364 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,359 I think SGA is just that different type of guy where you know, we 365 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,880 like we used to think of Trey Young or you know, Karl Anthony's howns 366 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,279 even all this is different where it's like, well, you have a top 367 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:36,400 ten offense if he's on the floor. Basically, I think I think SGA 368 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:41,400 is like not exactly that type of player, but it's there's no question about 369 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,839 who you're concerned about hanging forty on you, then you know he's just he's 370 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,839 like a different level of player and the highest level. So that that that's 371 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,079 compelling, good argument by you. That is when I throw you a curveball 372 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,920 because you just inspired one. Yes, he's hot or not. Grant Hughes, 373 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,799 Bamian Lillard or Shane go just Alexander will receive more MVP votes than Jason 374 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:10,880 Tatum. Dame Dame or SGA will get more than Tatum. Uh, that's 375 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,119 a little that's a little hot, because I think team success still is a 376 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 huge factor for for voters, and just like best player best, you know, 377 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,359 if the Celtics may not wind up as the best team, they've kind 378 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,160 of lost that mantle over the last couple of weeks. But I think I 379 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,200 think Tatum has the most conventional case that like you're never gonna I think you're 380 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,799 gonna have to explain yourself just hypothetically, if you're a voter and you vote 381 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:38,519 either of those two guys over Tatum just because of how myself then I'm not 382 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,319 saying you'd be wrong, but you'd have something explaining to you. Okay, 383 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,920 Uh, can I can we jump to this is still? This still is 384 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,160 not Dan? I swear? Why don't we do another person's wanted? Is 385 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,519 that one of the Jordan Pool one? Actually? Uh, we could do 386 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,519 that one, or we could you know what, You're right, Let's let's 387 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,279 serve the people here. Let's go to the first non the first non not 388 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,799 Dan question, which is from Kerrigan. You're ready for that one? I 389 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,680 can give it to you. Yeah, I'm scared, all right. The 390 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:11,720 Utah Jazz have the brightest future in the NBA hot or not that's too hot, 391 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:17,799 just because who in house right now is a part of their future is 392 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:22,839 at Bagi Walker Kessler and then you know, are really that high on fontechio 393 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:29,279 or what Chris Dunne has been doing. Like so they have all those picks, 394 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,559 but they need to turn into something first and look Larry Market and I 395 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,960 think that's the is kind of the key here is you have this twenty five 396 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:42,720 year old all star basically under contract for another couple of seasons and yeah, 397 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,119 that matters, but it almost now you're at a point where I think other 398 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,359 teams as picks are more valuable than your own picks, and that's just a 399 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,079 little not concerning but challenging because you have control over your own picks, you 400 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,880 don't have control over other teams's picks. And so you know, even this 401 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359 season, there's kind of this mid season tank job, but you're not gonna 402 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,640 be able to take nearly enough to have premo top lottery odds. I think 403 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,880 you just look at other teams wells of assets, and then also you know, 404 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,279 looking at Orlando, looking at Oklahoma City, I think or we have 405 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,920 we have another one from t bloom one seven hot or not that Brooklyn Nets 406 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,680 have the brightest future in the NBA. I would say that's definitely just hot 407 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,519 because you're kind of in the same situation as the Jazz, whereas you have 408 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:34,240 all these really good players. But no, like I guess Mchaal Bridges could 409 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,759 still be the caps lock Star or Lowry Market. It can still be the 410 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,599 caps Lock Star. But the fact that you're like so reliant on not your 411 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,880 own picks and Broolin even more so because you don't have them, I think 412 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,599 that just makes it way too iffy and what would be more interesting question. 413 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,160 We're not more interesting, but I think is you know, I'm not sure 414 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,559 if you would take okay see Orlando over Eile of these two teams. So 415 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,880 that's my first question to you. But also secondly, it might be more 416 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,839 of an instructive exercise to be would you rather have sort of the blank slate 417 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,000 that a team like the Spurs has or the future of Utah? Yeah? 418 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,880 No, I would take Orlando and okay See. Those are my two that 419 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,799 I would just, you know, knee jerk say I like their their outlook 420 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,079 better than Utah. But but to that to your second question, if I 421 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,279 if if the Spurs or even say the Pistons get wem Bin Yama, then 422 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,079 suddenly I think you have to say either of those teams. I don't know 423 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,799 if it would do the same thing for Houston because it seems like just such 424 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,359 a catastrophe there. Maybe you'd even still have to say Houston's future was brighter 425 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,119 than Utah's if they got wim Bin Yama. But I think the Spurs and 426 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,319 Pistons both like suddenly, you know, we like Kelton Johnson and we liked 427 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,000 Devon Vassell and we like some of them, you know, de Vassel, 428 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,559 We love Devin Vassell. And then those guys are now the second and third, 429 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,519 you know, and Jeremy so like, you'd do the same thing for 430 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,759 Detroit, Like now, it doesn't depend on Kate Cunningham staying healthier, Jade 431 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,400 and Ivy you know, figuring out how to slow down, or Jalen Durn 432 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,680 you know being you know, figuring out how to garden space and do all 433 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,759 the centers. Now those guys are like, yeah, it'd be great if 434 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,920 they did all that, but we have one ban Yama and there's just he's 435 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,680 the best prospect since you know, prospects were invented. Type of stuff like 436 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,880 that totally reorganizes that that question in favor of whoever has him. So yeah, 437 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,839 you but you thought does have It's not like you saw his outlook is 438 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,559 bleak. I mean that you would put them five right. People have about 439 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:30,240 this team. Let's get to this one from it's Alan Uh. They say, 440 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,599 if the Lakers have all their guys healthy, they should be the favorites 441 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,400 to get out of the Western Conference. Their matchups against the Nuggets, Slash 442 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Sun Slash Warriors are all excellent, too hotter and hot grant. I mean, 443 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,759 first of all, that's one of the biggest ifs that you could lay 444 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,079 out there. Start start from there, because even if Lebron does just miss 445 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:57,400 the three weeks from that initial diagnosis, like he's you know, him and 446 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:03,799 Davis are both just about as likely to get get injured again as anybody. 447 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,039 But let's not let's not fight the hypothetical if they're all healthy. I can't 448 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,359 it's it's too hot. I can't get to them being better than in it. 449 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:18,240 So I could see them beating like either Denver or Phoenix or whatever other 450 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,839 team you want to throw in there. I don't think they have enough to 451 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,720 get all the way through all those teams, Like it wouldn't blow my mind 452 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:30,440 if they upset somebody, But I don't see it happening over to take three 453 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,920 series to come out of the West. That that is like just the health. 454 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,039 We have to circle back to the health factor there too, Like do 455 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,599 you do you think that it's likely that everybody stays healthy through those three series? 456 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,480 And then even if they do, you can't pop there's no way you're 457 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,759 you're going to favor them to win three series straight, right, it depending. 458 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,519 You know, even if they get like a hypothetically easy path through the 459 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,480 West, I can't get there, can you? No? I can't. 460 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,920 I mean it's if you want to say that they're gonna win a playoff series, 461 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,839 if they're sure, but I mean, and I will say, Look, 462 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 they've been even with the Lebron injury, the deal injury, they've been 463 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,279 a lot more watchable. The offense is still sloggy, but hey, it's 464 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:15,440 almost like that's what happens when you're missing your two best shot creators playmakers and 465 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,440 two of your best shot like makers. In general, they have the league's 466 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,759 best defense since the trade deadline. Did you know that Anthony Davis is playing 467 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,599 againspired basketball. I know that you've known that. So if you wanted to 468 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,519 say the Lakers will win the play in definitely not too lot. If you 469 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:32,000 want to say they'd win a playoff series, I think it's hot, but 470 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,160 it's not, you know, incoherently hot. I think this is, with 471 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:41,559 all due respect, of course, incoherently hot. All right, this is 472 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,240 from Jake from State Farm. Anthony Davis never deserved to be on the top 473 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,960 seventy five NBA players list. Get him off. Get him out of there. 474 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:55,119 Hot or not. I'm like, that's too hot, right, Like, 475 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:56,839 that's just I know that he gets a bad rap for injuries. But 476 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,640 if we're gonna put someone, I do believe it. If you're gonna say 477 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,559 that Anthony Davis didn't belong on that list, then Kawhi Leonard didn't belong on 478 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,759 that list. Because what is your rationale behind putting Leonard over Davis? Is 479 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,599 it you value wing play more? Is it Kawhi Leonard's been a finals MVP, 480 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,799 okay fair, he's won one more championship as well, But like it, 481 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,799 why are you leaving Davis off? Is it just because of the availability 482 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,839 or is it something about his play style? And if you're then saying, 483 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,119 well, he can't be the best player on a championship team, there's a 484 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,559 shitload of people that need to come off that top seventy five. So I 485 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,720 think this is too hot. What about you? I mean, it's so 486 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,279 I can't pull up everybody's resume, but you can't. I think a lot 487 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,359 of people are compelled by the fact that, yeah, like he's for most 488 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,519 of his career he's been either the best player on the teams that weren't great 489 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,279 or outside of the bubble, the second best player on teams that are pretty 490 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,160 good. But like, just go through he's got. He's got four top 491 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,599 ten finishes and MVP voting the highest was third. He's got just scanning through 492 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:05,160 it. He's been All NBA First Team one two three, four times Defensive 493 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,359 First Team one two, three times First Team All Rookie, like eight All 494 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,640 Star games. I think, like, I think it can be true that 495 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,240 you can sort of be skeptical about his ability to be the best player on 496 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,839 a team that goes really far right now, but you can't ignore that this 497 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,599 guy, like for stretches of his career, has been the best defensive player 498 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,319 in the league, the you know, the best player on a title winner. 499 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,240 You know, there's all these little blips, and then the resume itself, 500 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,880 I think is ultimately go to gonna justify it. So that's a little 501 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,119 too hot for me, even if, like, if you really care about 502 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,000 durability and like all that other stuff, then I guess. But you know, 503 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160 I don't think it's crazy that he's on the list. Just to answer 504 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,440 Philips Who's question, the Pelicans will get two attery picks this year. That 505 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,319 is indeed too hot because they only have one draft pick this year. They 506 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,240 have the ability to swap with the Lakers. They do not have the Lakers 507 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,680 pick out right, so the real one would be hot or not. The 508 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,720 Pelicans will have the pelicans own pick will be better than the Lakers pick. 509 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,519 And that's just not hot at this point because it seems like uh and uh 510 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,759 anthy Davis. It seems like Zion Williamson won't be playing again this season. 511 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,799 The magic you're gonna have to though, and that team is gonna get real 512 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,880 good, you know again, they're gonna load up. I want to blow 513 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,920 through this one because from Jake from State Farm because I don't think it's it's 514 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,799 hot enough. But hot or not, Mike Brown should be Coach of the 515 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,480 Year. I'm good with it, not too hot. I think that's I 516 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,119 think that's fine. I was. I was kind of on board with like 517 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,839 Joe Mazoula has had a high degree of difficulty, but I think there there's 518 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,119 been some fair criticism of him lately and Boston has slipped. I don't know 519 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,359 where else you'd like to go with that award, But I mean, the 520 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,480 freaking Kings are the second seed in the West and they've been horrible for twenty 521 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,680 years. Like it's like we're not talking. There's not there's a very thin 522 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,440 margin for error in the West, but like the Kings have a larger one 523 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,880 than most teams. Now they are they are still six losses ahead of the 524 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,839 fifth place Dallas Mavericks. So like there's a separation between them in the middle 525 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,400 of the West, which to me matters. And the other thing with Mike 526 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,159 Brown the Kings, we've talked about this. The King's defensive shot profile is 527 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:10,360 a plus plus plus plus yea and to do that with this personnel is a 528 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,039 big deal. They feel like, I don't want to say one player short, 529 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:15,119 but it feels like they could sort of futs and fiddle and if you 530 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:21,599 just get some another interior defensive presence or a interior defensive presence on this team 531 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,639 and then just another wing defender, you're you're going to be in business. 532 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,039 So I think it's him someone who's not getting enough love. And there wasn't 533 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,320 interested in this discussion. In our discord about this is that we might just 534 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,480 be drawn towards new coaches or unproven coaches. I still feel like Mark dagnell 535 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,079 Is needs to be in this mix. I mean, if especially the Thunder 536 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,679 make the play in. I don't know if it could ever go to a 537 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,400 team that's gonna finish below five hundred and Mike Brown is my pick right now. 538 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,519 I want to make that absolutely clear. I am wondering if Tom Thibodeau 539 00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,639 could get some last minute love as well if the Knicks finished like fourth or 540 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,760 third or something. I think people, much like Julius Randall's most Improved All 541 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,079 NBA campaign, they'll be reticent. They'll be reticent to do that. But 542 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,840 I'm just curious if he ends up finishing in the top five or something. 543 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,000 Yeah, I think Jack Vaughan might get some votes to like, not gonna 544 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:15,360 win it, but season just surviving. Yeah, I think it's if Brown 545 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,159 doesn't win it, I think it's gonna be pretty pretty shocking. Let's see. 546 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,039 I wanted to ask you because I love I love the trade ones. 547 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,239 This is still from Jake from State Farm. The Heat should trade Jimmy and 548 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,840 Kyle if they can get anything back for Kyle, which is dubious at this 549 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,159 point, and focus on Bam and Tyler. This is really just in the 550 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,280 Minambi. He should trade Jimmy Butler. This offseason. I just I can't 551 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,800 get there because he's We've talked abut him. He's basically like a top five 552 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,159 player in the playoffs. Like that's just the way he plays and his style 553 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,719 translate to the postseason. This isn't a merchant of foul shots who can't get 554 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,400 foul shots in the playoffs. And look in the playoffs, he just decides 555 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,880 to take and make more threes too. What would like? I think I 556 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,320 would feel differently if you told me they were in the situation of the Lakers 557 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,960 the Clippers where they were so asset strapped, but like they can trade up 558 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,719 to three first round picks this summer, and so I'm looking to augment what 559 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,039 I already have. I think this is. I do think you could get 560 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,719 a Capslock haul, Capslock, a Talent Italics bold Tex haul for Jimmy Butler. 561 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,039 Still, yeah, that's being said, And I know I know that 562 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,000 some people might not like his contract. Looking at the Heat, probably from 563 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,280 a ten thousand fo of view, I don't think Heat fans want to get 564 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,880 rid of him, Like, what are you getting for Jimmy Butler? And 565 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,880 bam at a bio on top of here are good enough? Now that you're 566 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,239 not really you're rebuilding then around what you get in them. It's not, 567 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,880 oh, we're gonna have a top end draft pick to pair them with after 568 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,000 And so I'd say, I mean, no here, I think or I 569 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,719 believe it's it's just too hot. I agree, like I get it. 570 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,119 I think the Heat do need to find ways to one, you know, 571 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,440 pay players that are actually helping them a little a little more effectively, and 572 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,559 you know, get off of some of these contracts. But Butler's I just 573 00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:06,119 would not start with Butler because like there's a real case that he's been a 574 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,199 top ten player in the league all year and even better than that. He 575 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,480 like he's third in EPM and he's eighth in raptor. Like, you know, 576 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,679 he has his flaws and the durability is a concern, but like, 577 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,960 if you're trying to win a championship, there are not that many guys you'd 578 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,039 rather have than Butler, even at his price point over the next like two 579 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,360 three years. So and that's that's always what the heater trying to do. 580 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,480 So I don't think, sure if you can move lowry, like you have 581 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,159 to say with you know, Duncan Robinson, But like I just don't think 582 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,320 any any rational path towards getting better if you're the heat begins with or involves 583 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,079 trading Jimmy Butler this offseason. Can't get there? Can we get to this 584 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,920 live line from Brett Burnett. The grizz are better off without Jaw, could 585 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,239 win a series, but it'll be more about matchups. Okay, that's too 586 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,480 hot, But there's a lot of evidence going the other way. You know, 587 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,599 last season, whatever they were, you know, eighteen and two at 588 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,920 one point, it didn't the record didn't end that well because they lost like 589 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,039 two or three in a row late. But you know, Tias Jones just 590 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,719 winning more games with the rest of the Grizzlies than Jaw last year. It 591 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,679 was a real thing. And I think you saw too in the playoffs when 592 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,920 Jaw got hurt. You know, the Warriors were they won that series anyway, 593 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,360 But it's very clear that teams target Jaw on defense or at least force 594 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,760 him to be involved, and then in a playoff series that's you know, 595 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,400 he's impossible to guard on his own, but if you're giving teams an out 596 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,880 on the other end, like that's a problem. So I'm not gonna say 597 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,039 I just still I'm not gonna say that they're better without him. But if 598 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,719 you're in that camp or and or you're just kind of fed up with him, 599 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,039 or you're you're you know, this is like a real niddier for like 600 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,280 his general public perception. You've got some evidence, you've got some hima, 601 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,280 but like I don't, I'm I'm not ready to say that they're better without 602 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,079 their you know, max supermax salary. You know, was was the face 603 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,119 of the league like two weeks ago. Point they're also just not better off 604 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:04,679 without him. They don't have anything to do in the half court aside from 605 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,679 Desmond Bane And we saw it just now in the just now the other night 606 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,559 in the last night in the Lakers game, that just you need you need 607 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,360 John Moran. And also I do think there's something too this isn't I think 608 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,119 it's talked about enough, but not so much as all of this extracurricular stuff 609 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,880 is going on. He is a really good leader, or at least selfless 610 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,960 to the point of it seems like teammates genuinely enjoy playing with him. Very 611 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,880 loyal and enthusiastic about the city of Memphis and about staying in Memphis. That 612 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,239 shit matters and this. We know that stuff has been going on off the 613 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,400 court now for over a year, but like the vibes are only sort of 614 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,000 starting to trick out into the public now or maybe impacting the team where Steven 615 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:49,800 Adams had that player's only meeting recently. So I do think that there's something 616 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,440 to the effect of not just his play, but his leadership and the way 617 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,320 he carries himself for his teammates and giving the Grizzlies that high profile player with 618 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,960 attitude on the court, where yeah, there's I don't want to have the 619 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,639 off court discussion with him again. I also don't want to be dismissive of 620 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,119 it and people. Chris Herron had a great piece on why we can't just 621 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,719 look at this and say, oh, you know, hopefully his mental health 622 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,840 is okay, because that's dismissive of people that actually have mental health problems. 623 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239 So we can't just describe everything too oh he needs time away two games or 624 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,679 whatever for to deal with his mental health. And there's a chance he has 625 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,760 to come back this season. I think Mark Spears said that, and if 626 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,000 he doesn't, I think you're really good to see the impact of Oh, 627 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,920 what the Grizzlies look like without John it's just it's not going to be pretty. 628 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,079 Yeah, I think too, Like I was just kind of looking for 629 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:37,400 more evidence that, Oh, but maybe he's not helpful because the Grizzlies half 630 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,119 court scoring is their biggest issue. They score better in the half court when 631 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:44,079 he's in the game, So that's it's not if you're looking for like the 632 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,119 magic, Oh, this proves it that he's not helping it. That's not 633 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,000 there. Weirdly, they're way worse than transition when he's in the game, 634 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,679 which makes no sense at all considering just what he can do athletically. But 635 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,639 yeah, I'm not ready to get there. Let's see, let's go to 636 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,639 I'm trying to look for one though, can we Let's hit this one real 637 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,039 quick? Should be this is still from Jake State Farm. Victor Wimenyama is 638 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,039 not as good as people are making him out to be hot or not hot. 639 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,559 I mean, what is the evidence that he's not. I would need 640 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:17,039 probably more of an explanation as to why he's not as good as people thinking 641 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,960 it, unless you're just worried about his durability, which I don't know if 642 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,480 he read that long profile. Brian wynhorson Jonathan Givoni did ESPN the fact that 643 00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,280 we focus so much on old players need to like bulk up, and they're 644 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,639 going to completely opposite direction with Wemby, where it seems like they're trying to 645 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,079 tailor make his body to grow organically, not too quickly, and also just 646 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,639 a ton of rest that Hey, you're gonna be lean and that's just what's 647 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:44,920 gonna happen. You're gonna survive that in the NBA. I'm more encouraged by 648 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,000 that than oh, he needs to pack on the muscle. There's always okay, 649 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,360 he's nine foot five and super skinny, you worry about his lower body. 650 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,079 But I just having from what I've seen of him, the hype feels 651 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,559 like it might not even be high enough at this point, just because I've 652 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:05,719 never seen anyone like him. I'm gonna I'm gonna parse it and and really 653 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,280 lawyer this question. So I think I think that there's really no argument against 654 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,719 his ceiling being, you know, as high as anybody's, just you sort 655 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,079 of can't overstate it. But his most likely outcome is not that he's gonna 656 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,800 be Lebron James or whatever. Like. Chances are he won't do that, 657 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,039 and so I guess if you're saying this is not a hot take, that's 658 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,000 the that's the way you're framing it. But like so, his most likely 659 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:36,199 outcome is probably something short of the greatest prospect in the generation, because it's 660 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,159 just like, there aren't that many of those. But his upside is just 661 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,280 you can't put, you can't cap it. I don't think. I think, 662 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,960 you know, potential wise, his ceiling is as high as literally any 663 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,800 player we've ever seen at this point, Peter hot or not. Wemby's a 664 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,280 three and not a four or five. I don't, I mean, maybe 665 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:54,320 maybe hot and so he's not a five, but I think he could play 666 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,400 some five eventually. But a three instead of a four, I guess the 667 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,519 way he works on the outside in that's probably not too hot, right I 668 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:02,880 think. I think, well, we've talked about this a little bit. 669 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,880 I think he's going to be a different player on either end of the floor. 670 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760 I think defensively he has to be a five just because he'll destroy every 671 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,119 team's you know, field will percentage and a temperate in the lane. But 672 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880 I think offensively he very much looks like a wing or like a stretch big, 673 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,000 I guess to me, I just he's That's part of why this package 674 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,320 is so intriguing, is he can kind of be all things. Did you 675 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,840 need to go? Do we need to hop off here? No, let's 676 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840 do ten more minutes. Okay, so let's stick with the Wemby stuff from 677 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,079 unbiased Pistons fan who was watching before. So it's only right that we get 678 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:42,320 to theirs. The league, with the league will should rig the draft lottery 679 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,760 to place Wemby in a good market that provides the best chance for his success. 680 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,960 Example Orlando, okay, seat for development or Atlanta for a large market 681 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,480 hot or not too hot. I think you know, it's pretty important that 682 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,440 the league retain the appearance of integrity of the draft and the lottery because we 683 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,599 still talk about the frozen envelope from like almost what forty years ago now, 684 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,239 so that would be a bad look. Cannot get on board there, I 685 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,360 could look, will they No? Should they? Yes? I can get 686 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,639 on board with saying let's not let him get to Houston, will develop him. 687 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,480 The market stuff is weird because he would be fun in Atlanta, but 688 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,360 just like I don't really want to see him trying to develop around Trey Young 689 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,159 to be honest with you, and like, I would want to see him 690 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,159 in Utah or San Antonio. So do I think that it should be market 691 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:35,159 based? No, that would be from a business perspective that would make the 692 00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,000 most sense. Let's get him. Let's get him in Atlanta, because you 693 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,679 can't get him in LA. They don't on their own pick where you forced 694 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,119 the Pelicans to not swap picks with the Lakers, that the Lakers win the 695 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,119 dre the Lakers win the lottery, and then the Pelicans decide not to swap 696 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,840 the pick. But yeah, I would. I don't want to see his 697 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,440 career just get derailed because I do think that the organization you wind up with 698 00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:58,280 has a lot of say in how you turn out as a player, hot 699 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,840 or not. Future Houston Rocket James Harden would actually be a good thing for 700 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,440 women Yama's development because all he does is feed All he does is feed the 701 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,119 ball to Joel Embiid right now. I mean, I can imagine he could 702 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:13,000 do the same for women Yama. Uh my god, could you imagine like 703 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,480 what he would be showing victor Or Miyama who needs twelve hours to sleep a 704 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,199 night right now and he's in the strip clubs with James Harden until four o'clock 705 00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,599 in the morning and they got shoot around at Nah. Yeah, you might 706 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:30,760 want someone else offering lifestyle and fitness advice. Do you how is? Oh 707 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,159 man? This is? This is spicy from JT Alexander. Are you ready? 708 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,320 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Hot or not, Franz 709 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,960 Wagner is more important in Orlando's future than Palo ban Caro way too hot, 710 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:50,360 and I think we both love h Franz. I think he's continued to improve. 711 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,679 I think he plays a position that you always want, just a big 712 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,320 He's basically a big wing, but he's like the size of what power forwards 713 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,639 used to be so super valuable. Gonna be a good player, probably makes 714 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:06,360 some All Star teams, but bank Carro is just like he's just your He's 715 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,960 the number one option, you know, shot creator, high volume scorer that 716 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,639 has the size and really like I think Wagner showed up with way more craft 717 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:21,039 than we expected based on his collegiate career. But bank Carro already just has 718 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,719 just so many ways to score, and he's so it's hard to speed him 719 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,320 up. Like he can be inefficient as a jump shooter. I think that's 720 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,440 gonna come around, just because he has such good feel and instincts and just 721 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,920 skill in so many other areas. So like, I feel like I don't 722 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000 know, I've probably already said more than is necessary to say that Bank Caro, 723 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,800 who's gonna has had Rookie of the Year sewn up since like late October, 724 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:49,079 is more valuable long term. Any other one stand this one is, 725 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,639 let's get to it very quickly. I'm sorry to come and deer this, 726 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,199 but thor hot or not, the twenty ten, two thousand and eleven an 727 00:46:54,239 --> 00:47:00,760 MVP should have went to Lebron instead of Derrick Rose well or Dwight Howard Howard. 728 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,440 Sorry, that's like I think Zach Low has like championed that over the 729 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,280 years. I don't know, man, you know I did go down the 730 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,400 old the Derrick Rose YouTube rabbit hole, like within the last couple of weeks, 731 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,079 and when you see all those old Bulls highlights, it's just like I 732 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:21,559 think even I think even Prime Westbrook athletically could not touch Derrick Rose, just 733 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,159 the sheer violence of like how athletically he moved laterally verdict, he was just 734 00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,840 he was just a different type of guy. Yeah, I don't know. 735 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,480 I guess you could always I think Howard, though, you do the same 736 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,519 thing with Howard. You go down the Howard YouTube rabbit hole and like no 737 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,239 one his size has ever moved like that. I don't think. I mean, 738 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,519 there's maybe a handful of guys, so I think you could give it 739 00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:50,800 to anybody. I sort of enjoy the Derrick Rose MVP so and I don't 740 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,239 want that taken away. I don't think this is too hot because it should 741 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,440 have gone to Lebron or Dwyne Howards, someone who actually wrote about this a 742 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,159 few years ago. I believe that it should have gone to Lebron or the 743 00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:05,440 statistical cases like Ironclad that Rose should not have won it, right, Yeah, 744 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,639 So I mean, if you're basing it on athetics, I guess, 745 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,440 okay, but Dwight Howard was still Superman at that point, right. I 746 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,400 want to get to there was one I saw here that I thought would be 747 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:22,920 good. No name for god Nick's end up in the Eastern Conference finals. 748 00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:29,320 That's too hot because I think you need to You're gonna have to beat Boston 749 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:34,079 or Philly to get there. That would be too hot. I guess if 750 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,519 you don't. Actually, I'm gonna say it's not too hot, because if 751 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,480 you don't have to play Milwaukee, if the bracket sets up that you can 752 00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:43,800 get to the Eastern Conferensations. But I'll play Milwaukee. You've already shown that 753 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,519 you could beat Boston. Obviously, a series is different. I think Philly 754 00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:51,119 is just vulnerable. Their transition defense is better, but weird, and they 755 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,679 go through these laws. There's the James Harden playoff track record. Of course, 756 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,559 I'm gonna say not too hot. What say you? Yeah, it's 757 00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,119 hard. I think the how the matchup shake out are just the only thing 758 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:04,800 they matters here because if you, as it is right now, say they 759 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,599 win the four or five against Cleveland and then you just you got Milwaukee. 760 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,559 I don't see that happening. But if you can figure out how to slip 761 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:14,599 a little lower or even climbed to third, then I think maybe we're in 762 00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,360 business. That's a long way to third though, so they basically have it's 763 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,079 just the path is tough. Like just logistically I'm not sure they can they 764 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,360 can get where they need to. But like that's not to say that they're 765 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,559 just objectively not on the level of you know, even Cleveland, but I 766 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,559 think the matchups really are important for getting them that far. This one is 767 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:42,119 all sorts of spicy from HP Burgie, says Jaden McDaniels, and Edwards will 768 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,960 be a better version of Jason Tatum than Jail Brown. We are saving the 769 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,760 hottest ones for last way too hot, I mean, I mean really like 770 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:59,599 Edwards, I mean Tatum. Tatum's on a different level. Like Edwards will 771 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,519 hopefully someday be in the MVP conversation as often as Tatum is. But like 772 00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:06,719 I think right now there's a decent case to be made that Brown is is 773 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,239 as good or better than Edwards just today. So like, that's that's a 774 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,239 tough Like McDaniels has got a pretty heavy lift to reach where where Brown is 775 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,960 right now. And that's assuming that this is only a conversation than if Edwards 776 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,800 becomes as good as Tatum and or better, I guess so, uh that 777 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,679 that's that's a that's a little too hot for me going to just to respond 778 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:31,440 to James here. Hot or not, Clippers miss the playoffs if they don't 779 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,519 kick Ross. We actually basically already did this one. Head to the twelve 780 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,480 forty nine mark of this podcast, James after after we're done, so appreciate 781 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,239 the question. Uh, can we get to some of these? Uh? 782 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,679 I have to ask you the Jordan Pool one? Can I ask you? 783 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:50,880 Can I ask you the Jordan Pool one? Hot or not? Jordan Pool 784 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,400 will be traded over the off season. I can just see your inner monologue 785 00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:00,199 conflicting itself, contradictorial. I think I think that is that is not a 786 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,199 hot take at all. I think I think actually we've probably talked about this 787 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,079 a little bit, maybe it was off air. If they could have traded 788 00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,920 him this year, I think he would have been one of the biggest names, 789 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,119 like in the rumor mill. I mean, they could have, but 790 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,480 but the poison pill situation with this contract just made it just not feasible. 791 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,320 I think he's kind of the He's kind of the lever to poll or the 792 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,639 card to play if you're if you're trying to change the makeup of this team, 793 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,159 because you just, you know, not trading Curry Clay Thompson makes too 794 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,400 much slash year not trading him. Draymond might be a free agent anyway, 795 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,760 and if you bring him back, it'll be on a cheaper deal. Wiggins, 796 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,559 are you I don't think they're gonna trade Wiggins because when he's right, 797 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:44,639 he offers them something they don't get from anyone else on the roster. So 798 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,960 Pool is the guy that feels duplicative in Pool is like I just I think 799 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,599 the lows are so low that I imagine that And maybe this is tying all 800 00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:57,400 the way back to the Draymond Green punch. There's just a lot of guys 801 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,320 in and around that team that are you know, that have had it, 802 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,840 but you know, or at least you know week to week or game to 803 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,480 game. There's just moments. I mean, Draymond Green about walked off the 804 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,880 floor last night against the Thunder when Pool missed him cutting middle and Green just 805 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,960 quit on the offensive play, walked away while the Thunder ran down and scored. 806 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,079 And like, I think that's emblematic of how some of the players feel 807 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,400 about the way Pool plays sometimes. And just he hasn't been productive, He 808 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,559 hasn't been good enough this year. So I don't know who around the league 809 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,480 is going to say because this is a type of player he has to be. 810 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,440 He has to be the guy I think that has the ball a ton 811 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,440 and is driving your offense. Because he doesn't do enough well in other areas 812 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,800 to be like a role player or like a support piece. So I don't 813 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,079 know what team is going to say this is our guy to run the show 814 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,159 or at least, you know, be a huge piece. But I think 815 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:50,599 the Warriors will at least explore it and should and they should because there just 816 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,400 aren't a lot of other options to change, you know, the makeup of 817 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,639 the team. I'm with everything you said there. Do we want to alternate 818 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:02,039 through We'll make this the final and the contract one from this is still not 819 00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:06,320 Dan, I swear yes, I'll give you the first one here. So, 820 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,719 uh, these players hot or not? These players will get twenty five 821 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:15,039 million or more average anual value in new contracts or extensions over the off season. 822 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,960 The first one, Darling and current six man leader after ridiculous games Lately 823 00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:27,079 is Emmanuel Quickly. I'm gonna say not too hot, because four for one 824 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,239 ten for Manuel Quickly is like less than twenty five percent of the salary new 825 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,599 salary caps. I'm gonna say not too hot. Yeah, I'm with you 826 00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,039 on that one. Hot or not, so this player will receive more than 827 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,480 twenty five million dollars in the next contract per year in the next contract HoTT 828 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:45,159 or not Gary Trench Junior. I don't know why, just Gary Trench Junior. 829 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,320 Yeah, that's hot. I think I think twenty maybe, but I'm 830 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,760 not sure I could see getting all the way up to twenty five. He's 831 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,719 been better than RJ. Barrett, who well or for one oh seven guaranteed 832 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,800 you don't think heves that, and he's he's only twenty four, by the 833 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:05,360 way he is. Do you think do you think around now this is a 834 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,880 separate question from what the feeling around the league should be, But do you 835 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,599 think people around the league think Trent Junior is a more valuable player than Barrett? 836 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,039 Yes? Right now? You think so? Yeah? I think Barrett 837 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,480 still has the weird like high draft pick prospect sheen, even though I don't 838 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,159 think he deserves it. But is that too hot? Is that too out 839 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:29,519 of a take to say Barrett does not deserve to be regarded the way he 840 00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,679 is now? I mean the guys the floor to close games sometimes. Still, 841 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,519 Yeah, that's I guess that's hot. It's just really funny you're afraid 842 00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,920 in that Barretts catching strays? Sorry? Okay, uh, Well, Devin 843 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,320 Vassel more or less hot or not? Gonna get twenty five million a year 844 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:51,480 on his next deal. Not too hot, Yeah, agree, Desmond Baine. 845 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,920 He's gonna get thirty like he's gonna get the He might be a max 846 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:59,480 player, I think, And that wouldn't be ridiculous to me. Harrison Barnes, 847 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,119 I think that's too hot. He's just getting a little up there in 848 00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:06,320 age. But he just keeps walking into these twenty plus million dollars a year 849 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,000 contracts basically, so I wouldn't put it past them. We're gonna get to 850 00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,840 the end of his career and look back and be like that guy made four 851 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,320 hundred million dollars. Believe it. You ever do that on Basketball Reference, 852 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,039 Just go down there and look at like, holy shit, like these guys 853 00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,719 have made so much more. Barnes is gonna be a half billionaire by the 854 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,639 time you've done all right? Oh yeah, you have to give me the 855 00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:32,039 next one. Kyle Kuzma. Uh, the Wizards are gonna do it, 856 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:37,440 aren't they. They're gonna twenty five you think he gets that's Baally doubling his 857 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,639 salary right now from thirteen to twenty five. That's how the Wizards operate. 858 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,679 They just what we're gonna broadcast to the league that we pay our guys, 859 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,000 even though no one around the league actually gives a shit about that that he's 860 00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,840 they would have traded him if they weren't ready to just pay what it's gonna 861 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,519 cost. So I think that is not too hot. I think Kuzma is 862 00:55:54,519 --> 00:56:00,079 gonna get overpaid and make more than twenty five I think you're on the next 863 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:05,840 one right at my eln Okay, Cam Johnson, I think that's too hot. 864 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,480 He seems like he's gonna end up in the eighteen to twenty two million 865 00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:13,840 dollars range, maybe even less because of his injury and just he has he's 866 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,360 been fine, Like he hasn't been spectacular in in Brooklyn. You're looking at, 867 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,239 regardless, this complimentary player. And I think he's gonna, you know, 868 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,159 the closing kick this year, he's gonna continue shooting hundred thirty five percent 869 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,360 from three is probably not a red flag, but something to monitor. And 870 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,679 he's older too, I mean that's been that's been a topic since the draft. 871 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,599 So you're you're you're not necessarily you know, if you're gonna go four 872 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,000 years with him, that's a little different than going four years on a guy 873 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:42,400 that's like twenty two or twenty three for a second contract, our final one, 874 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,559 D'Angelo Russell, Oh Man, can't you just see I don't think that's 875 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,599 I don't think that's too hot. I think he just feels like a three 876 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,159 for one hundred guy or something like that, you know. I just I 877 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:59,079 can see that deal getting done on the button. Yeah, just like three 878 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:00,760 for seventy five, which would be less that he's making right now, by 879 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,679 the way, right, That's the thing is, I think that's why I 880 00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,400 went to three, you know, three for one hundred or three for ninety 881 00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,280 or something like that feels feels in the neighborhood to me, And like, 882 00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:14,039 I mean, it may have a lot to do with how he looks with 883 00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:15,800 the rest of the Lakers, assuming everybody's on the floor. I mean, 884 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:21,800 you know, I think this is a situation where if he can be like 885 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,800 a real value add like positive on a team that has two other stars on 886 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,599 it, like this sort of and just I don't know. I don't think 887 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,880 people in Minnesota were sorry to see him go necessarily, so that gives me 888 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,599 some pause. But I think if he plays well with Lebron and Davis, 889 00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,000 the Lakers will just be like yeah, whatever, we're committed. Well, 890 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,760 if they can't go get Kyrie, there's a lot of ifs involved in No. 891 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,679 I mean, first all, they shouldn't go get Kyrie. They should 892 00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,920 Risan Delo, Keith Vanderbilt and keep Beasley and then Kyrie want to take a 893 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,559 discount, that's the route to go. I don't think that's too hot. 894 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,039 Did you want to take us out? Yeah? Thanks for the questions everybody 895 00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:59,159 except for definitely still not Danny Fabbs twenty twenty three and this still is not 896 00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:04,159 Dan, I swear and not Dan promise. You're really just monopolizing these these 897 00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:07,519 hotter nuts. Good questions, though, I'm looking at it now. We 898 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:12,039 thought through, like Tawny, Yeah, I know. And thanks to everybody 899 00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:14,920 that checked in with us on the live. As Dan said at the top, 900 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,400 please if you have not followed, subscribed, told everybody about this podcast 901 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280 at this point, please do so. We really appreciate it and we're trying 902 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,960 to grow the community. 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