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They were changing marijuana laws in Kentucky, and also a suburbanites reflection on what's

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happening in downtown Cincinnati. But joining
you and I now is the great Missy

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Powers, the Hamley County Prosecutor and
Melissa Powers. Welcome again to the Bill

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Cunningham Show. And let's kind of
begin with going back in time a little

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bit, because you have been in
law enforcement for twenty five to thirty years

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and I think spent about twelve years
in juvenile court. And when you were

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a judge in juvenile court, you
saw it all, you did it all.

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You understand this isn't about stealing potato
chips from Walmart. This is serious

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stuff going on. And what have
you seen changing in juvenile court since you

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and Judge John Williams were there.
And there were several state national awards given,

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there were programs and diversion programs.
John Williams was recognized by the Bar

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Association as the most competent judge in
Hamilton County and he was kicked out in

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twenty twenty because I guess there was
a revolution going on with George Floyd and

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all that. But kind of addressed
the issue about juvenile court ten to fifteen

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years ago. What was happening then
as opposed to what's happening now. Well,

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first let me correct you. I've
got thirty two years now, experienced

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three decades and in the courtroom and
criminal justice. The amount of time I

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spent in Juneile Court as a judge
was six years before I retired and then

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took this position as prosecutor. So
I have a wide range of experiences and

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a depth of knowledge through with that
three decades. You have to have great

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compassion, but you also have to
have being able to have great strength.

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It's not easy to say you're going
to lock the child up and remove them

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from their family and their loved ones. That's a very difficult thing to do.

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But you have to be able to
do that in the appropriate cases.

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We never in juvenile court. When
I worked with Judge Williams and many great

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people such as Carla Gunn who was
the court administrator forever, they're you know,

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for a very long period of time. We instituted many, many programs

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to be able to help children,
help families, and while I was there

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as the administrative judge the last two
years, opened an assessment center that's now

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being used I'm not sure which direction
it's going in, but the purpose of

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that was and when you have a
child in crisis, when they're coming into

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juvenile court, no matter how small
or inconsequential the case may be, such

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as say truancy, chronic truancy,
we know there's a behavioral problem going on

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and there's an issue, and we
wanted to be able to provide services immediately

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to the children and make families also
have access to their services. There was

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a residential treatment program that we used. You know, in juvenile court,

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you're the focus was always rehabilitation balanced
with public safety. So you use rehabilitation

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efforts and graduated sanctions for children that
come into the courtroom or through our doors,

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and to treat everybody equally and fairly. That to be able to develop

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effective programs where we had success rates, and we had a number of those

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programs to redirect children so that they
could have a productive life, to graduate

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from high school, to make sure
they were out of the criminal justice system,

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no matter what background that came from, and we had some great success

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stories. I'm very proud of our
record. The court now is that it

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has the views that are coming from
the East Coast from the Ivy League from

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New York where they believe anybody walking
just walking through the door of juvenile court

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is so damaging, so it causes
so much trauma to the child that they

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shouldn't even come through the doors,
that if they come through the doors,

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they'll ever say in that court system. So we're seeing cases being dismissed and

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categories now of statute that are not
being enforced. Just like what you see

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in some of these major cities of
with prosecutors not prosecuting crime. We now

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have a judge excuse, we now
have a judge that is not prosecuting entire

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categories of crime, unruly, truancy. These are the first steps that when

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somebody comes into juvenile court, you
can get services immediately before they start escalating

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and staying in the system with this
court, I think, and if anybody

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I know, there's community members out
there that is trying to you know,

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what is the solution. But the
solution really needs to start with there's so

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much trauma, earlihood, childhood,
trauma that is causing multiple adverse you know,

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experiences in their life that puts them
on a course that enters into the

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criminal justice system. And if you're
not addressing that, you're not fixing the

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problem. And we have many people
that are focused on fixing the problem,

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focusing on public safety, and that's
the direction of the court. It has

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completely lost its way, in my
opinion, there is no emphasis on protecting

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victims or protecting the community, protecting
our small businesses in downtown Cincinnati. There's

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also, in my opinion, of
failure of transparency, and they hide behind

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the cloak we're dealing with children.
We want to keep all that information private,

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but there is information, you know
that we have problems with records upon

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a dismissal or not guilty finding.
They don't do it's not guilty and its

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inn of court. They don't use
that language. But the records immediately sealed,

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immediately sealed, and no one has
access to that information. There's policies

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that are being set unilaterally, not
without any input. They'll they'll talk to

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us and tell us, but we
have no input whatsoever, such as this

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recent policy on assault charges not being
it will not be prosecuted, will be

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dismissed. Excuse me, And in
fact you're notified prosecutor's office not even notified.

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Kind of the big term today is
restorative justice and social justice, and

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that is that. I listened to
one of the community activists and a government

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square yesterday and one of the TV
news shows who talked about the kids themselves

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are not responsible, that they are
victims of a society, and you don't

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hold children responsible for their criminal misbehavior. They're being manipulated by the system.

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And I listen to that, I'm
going, what are you talking about that

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a sixteen seventeen year old they're not
responsible. It doesn't make sense. No,

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it does not make sense. And
then again they think they're helping these

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kids, So what they're doing is
they're keeping them still. They go right

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back to the community, the most
vulnerable communities, high risk communities, and

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then they're left on their own,
so there's no court intervention with services,

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there's no trying to read you these
children. They think, you know this

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restorative justice, you get the parties
together. They think that if you take

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them, they walk. Like I
said, it is so it's so traumatic,

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so damaging to the child walking through
the doors of the courthouse that they

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shouldn't even be going into the courthouse, that alone being entertained. I mean,

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that's basically what it is. And
on these assault cases, which makes

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no sense to me whatsoever. They're
considering this a minor offense, so these

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can be offenses of violence. And
when they say, you know, I've

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read in the paper while we're doing
it, because the prosecutors aren't doing their

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job, I mean our office,
we do everything possible to prosecute every case

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to the fullish extent. When we
need to have compassion and to work with

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a child, we do. If
it's a school fight sometimes you know those

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things. Matters can be resolved with
disorderly conducts, you know, where it's

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not anything significant, but you want
to be able to take each case and

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review it before you just throw the
cases out. Now, if a charge

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is brought down to juvenile court,
it goes to the clerk's office, and

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then the clerk puts gives it to
a social worker and the charge is dismissed.

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We don't even see it. The
prosecutor's office doesn't even see it.

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The victim isn't notified. And when
we say, you know, they said

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you can object it, it won't
matter. A victim can object, it

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won't matter. We are dismissing these
charges. That's the policy. We've answered

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the policy in writing, we haven't
received it. I doubt we'll ever get

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anything in writing about their policy.
So what happened in the there's been too

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recent and there's been many more that
have been caught on video, some of

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which have been on TV. Last
night I watched another woman who had our

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son had the crap kicked out him
in Washington Park and terrible circumstance. But

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on Sixth Street, two of the
kids had assault charges were simply summarily dismissed,

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and restorative justice essentially means let's get
the victim together with the perpetrator,

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let's talk and see what we can
do to resolve the problem. But there's

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not prosecution. What happened on Sixth
Street? Was it terrible incident? And

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if you had been still a juvenile
court judge, you would have treated it

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differently. And is it true that
two of those charges assault were simply they

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were released on bond and the charges
were dismissed. But you're not even sure

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about that, are you? Am? I understanding the first two that got

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arrested for the first incident, and
one was an adult, so that's going

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through the adult system, and right
now, it's my understanding, it's in

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the grand jury at some point will
be presented the juvenile and I don't know

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what the charges are yet because I
haven't seen him yet. But he was

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released on an ankle bracelet, I
believe, So that's all I know about

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that. Now that'll go through the
system. Now whether or not that charges

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dismissed. I would think that because
of the public outcry, that that's not

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going to happen in this case.
But I don't know. I don't know

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what's going to happen when these cases
are being dismissed. We don't even know

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they were filed, so we can't
track it. We can't we don't have

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a list, we can't contact a
victim. There's nothing we can do.

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They claim this is the purpose behind
it is to teach the children conflict resolution.

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Well, how do they get taught
anything when the charge is being dismissed?

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How do they learn anything when there's
no accountability? How do you how

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do you intervene on a serious case
that needs intervention, It needs so that

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we don't see these of revolving door
and so that we can get services to

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a child that needs it that might
be in crisis. How do we even

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give any kind of assessment on that
when it's just automatically dismissed. So it's

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flawed. They're failing our children,
they're failing the most vulnerable communities, and

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they're and they're failing the general public. I mean you could say, I

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can I know the mayor and a
lot of people are saying downtown safe that

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I bet you see, you know, and and maybe people do feel that

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that. I think after seeing that, especially that second video of that violent

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attack on a juvenile, do would
think they're safe? I mean, you

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can understand people that may don't frequent
down there, that that might be a

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place you might not want to go. And then how does that affect all

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of our businesses, you know,
that have been made an investment in our

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city. And then you can just
see how this despiraling of a demise of

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any thriving city. People move out, people will leave, and then you've

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got then if businesses move out and
leave, then you've got the people that

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are living down there, they'll move
out and leave. I mean, so

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this is just a disaster and in
so many ways. But what also really

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gets me upset is they claim they're
helping the child when they're failing the child,

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and it's so apparent, and and
and they're failing the very communities that

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need to help, And I just
don't know. I'm glad that the public

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is starting to see this. The
prosecutor's office, we've been citing it every

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single day in the courtroom over dismissals. There are cases where had a child

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been held, they would not there
would be no retaliatory like digital anti type

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of justice between with their konum groups
of people our office refers to him as

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gangs. The people would be alive. And so there is I mean there

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are this is life and death consequences
in some of these situations. And speaking

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of that, I guess there's a
fourteen year old in commonplace court on trial

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for murder. A fourteen year old
after when I was fourteen years old,

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I was worried about stupid stuff like
the who will a girl look at me?

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A fourteen year old is being a
contract killer in order to kill other

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people, and that we don't have
a verdict yet. It might be later

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this afternoon or tomorrow, but isn't
in sixteen seventeen year olds being recruited because

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there's a sense if you have someone
under eighteen commit the crime for you that

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the juvenile court system until recently dealt
with it harshly. But our juvenile court

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system doesn't do that anymore. And
so the reason the gang bangers recruit a

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fourteen year old on a contract killing
because there's a sense not much is going

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to happen to the fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old. And if you

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go through juvenile court with Judge Kerry
Bloom's going to be a restorative justice,

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there's going to be social justice,
it's going to be conflict resolution, in

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which case there won't be any charges
filed and not a kid will not be

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separated from society. Can you briefly
tell us what's happening in that case before

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Judge Louver's The verdict is coming out
sometime today or tomorrow. We think there's

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no doubt the message is loud and
clear to those that are high risks,

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youth that may commit crime, and
even adults that know that the juveniles will

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not be held accountable and that know
there are no consequences. That is loud

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and clear, and they know that
that's not a deterrent, and they also

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know the older ones can take recruit
or take advantage of the ones. So

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that's the case that you're talking about, is the murder for higher case,

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and that was a gang that was
a murder for higher gang operate in our

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city. And then during a period
of time, I forget how many months,

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they were responsible for thirty percent of
the homicides in Cincinnati, thirty And

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these juveniles, these are the type
of kids that must be They're dangerous,

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that must be removed from the streets
of our city. And I don't know

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how anybody can look at that in
any different way. They deserve to be

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treated and receive the penalties in at
all court because the juvenile system could never,

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never serve those children, no,
never. And Joe Dieters often we're

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talking about I'm sorry, Joe Dieters
often said that if he could separate five

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hundred to one thousand of young folks
in Hambleton County the city of Cincinnati,

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that the crime rate would go down
by seventy percent or more. We're not

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talking about systemic problems. We're talking
about a small number, small percentage committing

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disproportion of crimes, having disproportion and
impacts. That's the problem. Do you

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buy into that too, That's a
small number of people doing it. Really

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it is. It is a very
small number. And that's why the state

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legislature, and I hope people understand
what's happening and how this is. The

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state legislature is trying to put forward
a bill or a law that there will

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be no longer juvenile bindovers. And
again, this is a pervasive philosophy that

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is sweeping our country. And you
can see how that policy will fail,

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will fail our communities and make us
less safe and makes us dangerous. Because

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the juvenile system only goes until the
age of twenty one. So we have

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a juveniles that are responsible for thirty
percent of the murders, but if they

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reach the age twenty one, they're
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At least they're subject to fifteen years
to life on a murder charge.

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On a murder charge, and the
rehabilitation can could occur within the prison system.

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And that's another area. Why don't
you reform there to give you know,

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occupation or educational opportunities, whatever it
may be. Do the rehabilitation reform

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there. Well, Melissa Powers,
we have a prosecutor now that knows exactly

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what juvenile court should be and it's
not that way. And I think that

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George Floyd's situation in the summer of
twenty twenty calls many in Hamlety County to

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say, let's get rid of the
current system we have in juvenile court.

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Let's change it. And it's changed
for the worst. And I can't imagine.

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I don't want our city and you
and I are like lifelong Cincinnatians Hamley

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County residents to go the way of
Detroit or Chicago or Atlanta, Washington,

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d C. Because I've always thought
we were special and unique. And if

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we give up, if we say
we stop, okay, let Judge Carrie

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Bloom and others do exactly what they
want to do with conflict resolution or restorative

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justice. We got to We're going
to look like Toledo, Detroit, We're

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gonna look like Portland that declared the
ninety day state of emergency because the gangs

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have taken over the streets. Well, Melissa Powers, we have to run.

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I thank you, and I know
you're going to stay strong. The

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fight continues every day, and this
isn't this isn't your grandfather's juvenile court anymore.

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When one part of gangs are creating
thirty percent of the murders, and

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those murders aren't living in Indian Hill. They're living in Avondale and they're living

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in Evanston, and that's the difficulty. Melissa Powers, I'm glad you're there.

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Keep stay strong. The wind beneath
your wings are the hundreds of thousands

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of residents that are behind you in
this fight. Good luck, and keep

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doing exactly what you're doing. Thank
you, Thank you. Bill. I'm

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going to continue to fight to save
our county. I don't want our beautiful

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city to become one like we see
so many other cities in our country.

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They have been destroyed by these philosophies, these radical activists type judges and the

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philosophy. So I'm here to save
our county. That's why I accepted the

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position and the job, and also
to do the right thing to protect our

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community. Melissa, thank you very
much. Thank you. All right,

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Let's continue with more and to have
community activists like I iris roly say the

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kids aren't responsible, they're victims of
our society and they need to be treated

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as victims. No, they're the
perpetrators that are causing victims. Let's continue

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with more. Bill Cunningham, News
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