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The Federalist dot Com as well. You know, it brings me so
much pleasure to say Bedford was making noise during the introduction, because this time
it's not Chris Bedford, it's Sarah Bedford, who's like crinkling rappers, like
an old woman in a movie theater getting her caramels out. Sorry, I'm
only just cold open started in the middle of a conversation we were having me
a little bit by surprise. So ever, ready for an investigations editor at
the Washington Examiner. You recently became an editor, Sarah, which listen,
Chris and I have been editors, Chris longer than me because he's an old
man. But welcome to the club. Thank you. I'm not sure if
I'm a worthy member, but here we are. Editing is a totally different
ball game. That's something I'm learning. It is a completely different pace of
work and almost a different skill set in some ways than being a reporter.
So it's been a learning curve, but it's excellent. And you've got this
to be an editor who's been a reporter first. Oh yeah, Like that's
important because I've worked with some editors are who are like, aren't good reporters,
never were And it stinks, it's tough, But you've got this because
and now I love it because all of the things that make me angry that
I'm like, you should report on this to Sarah and she's like, I
don't have the time to do that. Comp make a Gabe do it.
Gabe Covinski, who, by the way, has nothing but good things to
say about your tenure so far, your young tenure as investigations, other that
he is a rising star for sure. He's a hard working guy. All
right, Sarah, Well, now that you're an editor, we are going
to lean on you for the editorial perspective, by the authoritative perspective on what's
going on with the Biden family in twenty twenty four and the Biden crime family,
the Biden crime family and Democrats you know, I didn't say either of
this. I was just going to say Sarah is a better reporter than either
of us have ever been. No offense, Chris, No, No,
we're both better. We're both fine. She's just good. She's really good,
and she always has been really good, very kind. Yes, you're
you're so welcome, Sarah. You didn't thank me, but I was.
I was preempting it. Yeah, you're well, your heart. Yeah,
but that is to say the a lot of this Hunter stuff you have been
on top of for a long time, and there's so much to keep track
of that I actually don't think I am doing a very good job of keeping
track of how sort of the scale of the investigations into the Biden crime family
are. They should probably be much broader. But that said, in twenty
twenty four, what can we expect. They're still appending, they're depending cases.
What could happen to Hunter Biden in twenty twenty four, Well, it's
an election year. It's an election year, and he could, in theory,
face two different criminal trials, one in Delaware and one in California.
OK, but you know all of the bureaucratic red tape that has kept Hunter
Biden from being indicted until, in some cases more than five or six years
after the alleged misconduct took place. Could also prevent those trials from moving forward.
I think a lot of the double standard argument when it comes to Donald
Trump is because none of that your cratic red tape has existed in Donald Trump's
prosecutions. You know a lot of like what David Weiss and other DOJ people
who are involved in the investigation have told Congress is like, well, there
are all these rules. When you're going to charge someone in a politically sensitive
case, you have to get approval from this bureau, in this department,
all the way up through the layers of the Justice Department. If you're going
to do anything, it's very important to slow walk it past the Statute of
Limitations, one of the most important rules, right, that's actually in the
guidebook. But none of those processes applied to Donald Trump's investigation. So I
think a lot of the Democrats are able to say where the dj was just
following its rules. They didn't break the law. What they did wasn't illegal,
and that's actually true, but they just only followed these rules. In
the Hunter Biden investigations and those rules did not seem to apply in Donald Trump's
situation. But we know it's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. It's they're in
charge. They get to make these calls, and just like we're going to
see Republicans go, but your arrest is Steve Baden for contempt of Congress,
and the DOJ is like, yeah, yeah, but this is different.
We're not going to do it. In both cases, they're technically following their
rules. It's just that the rules are selectively applied. Okay, So,
and is there any another story that you were on top of, like right
away, is there any parallel between how they used those rules in the probe
of Hillary Clinton and how they're using them in the probe of Hunter Biden.
Well, I think yes, yes and no. Right. I mean,
in the Hillary Clinton case, she was never charged with anything, but there
wasn't as much scrutiny on the DOJ's processes at that time. I think this
was before a lot of the skepticism of the FBI and the DOJ emerged.
So while there was scrutiny on James Comey as an individual and the decisions that
he made to speak out, there wasn't as much attention as to the DOJ's
press right in the Hillary Clinton case. One of the big problems that you
know, I was writing about and other people were covering, was that every
witness that the DJ interviewed, basically everyone that mattered, was given immunity.
And then Hillary Clinton wasn't charged because she was able to sort of evade the
intent statute surrounding classified documents. The but people who should have potentially been charged,
who helped her knowingly helped her concealed classified documents from the State Department and
from the Foyer process were all given immunity. Cheryl Mills, for example,
one of her top aides, who haven't heard that name in so long.
No right, all of this Clinton knowledge that I had in my head became
useless in November twenty sixties. You think, just keep it going. I
mean, the American Spectator basically has like a Clinton themed gala once a year.
Still you read that magazine. Is that going to keep funny, you
know, in perpetuity or eventually? Is it like Bob Terrell, great guy,
all of his jokes about the Clinton White House whitewater corruption, and you'd
noticed less laughs than the audience each year because less people, people are aging
out of the people are like really remember, yeah, but you so you
said it became irrelevant in twenty sixteen, But like a contraire, it became
more relevant than either ever because the DOJ had already been engaged in the spring
of twenty sixteen in the Russia collusion investigation. I think a key difference that
just came to me so my brain is lagging apparently between the Hunter Biden investigation
and the Hillary Clinton investigation, is that in Hillary Clinton's case, they fast
tracked it to get her exonerated before the election. In Hunter Biden's case,
they sort of did the opposite, and they slow walked it passed when his
father would be elected. And now they've sort of, you know, it
seems tried to slow walk it even past the statute of limitations. At least
that's what the whistleblowers and some of the witnesses have. Now what are they
doing? I mean, his twenty twenty four looks grim more than I would
have I think, more than a Hunter Biden hunters of both. Yeah,
I mean, Joe Biden might lose a job. It doesn't know he has,
like Hunter Biden might go to prison, Frank Biden, James Biden,
James is never going down. Well, so yeah, on that point,
sir, you mentioned two particular potential cases California Delaware. Could you walk us
through what could come in both of those? Sure? So. In Delaware,
Hunter Brden is facing three criminal charges related to this alleged illegal gun purchase
from October twenty eighteen. Stay strong, brother, that's right. I mean
part of the criticism of the DJ You got a team on so many of
these. You want to be on Hunter Brighten's side. Yeah, it's like,
yeah, dude, crack get guns. Well, the interesting thing is
that they're actually making a pretty conservative argument in the defense in that case.
They're making a bruined defense, citing the Supreme Court's president in Bruin versus New
York State Rifle Association that happened last year, basically the most important gun case
has happened in modern America, and people don't really talk about it, No,
not at all often. Sarah talks about it a lot. Well,
because it's now it's extremely relevant. It was being used by Hunter Biden.
But you know what, if the Justice Department had not slow walked this so
much, Bruin would have occurred after Hunter Biden was charged. I mean,
this could have been handled before Bruin was even a thought. And so that's
part of the criticism is that Hunter Biden's strongest defense against those charges is only
possible because it took five years for the Justice Department to bring these charges and
what seems to be a pretty open in chetcase. And what are they challenging
when it comes to Bruin? What is the Hunter Biden defense here? So
Bruin basically held that gun laws have to fit into the historical tradition of the
Second Amendment and the way that it was originally intended to operate, and then
the way that it was applied in the eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,
before gun control became a thing, and so before Chris got to high school,
right exactly, very very long time ago, so hard to remember.
And so Hunter Biden's attorneys are arguing that it infringes upon Hunter's rights to say
that he shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun just because he was an
active substance abuser. And there have been similar cases that have challenged things like
whether felons can have their Second Amendment rights stripped away indefinitely that have been successful
in the lower course. So that's a challenge that is politically awkward for Joe
Biden because Joe Biden called the Bruin case travesty. He's been really critical of
efforts to roll back gun rights under that framework. But that's the best defense
Hunter Biden has in that case. It's not the only one, because they're
also challenging David Weiss's legitimacy as a special counsel on the statue under which he
was given that status. David Weiss, and again this is something you've reported
on, is, if anything, a protector of Hunter Biden. So Sarah's
got an interesting theory on this. I like what he's actually interested in protecting.
I have a theory of the case that he is very much a career
oriented people pleasing and I don't have your own butt guy. Yeah right,
And I don't mean that pejoratively, but he's a Delaware guy, right,
He is a Delaware guy. And I think that is a sort of I
want to mess with the family in Delaware, the family capitalized, right,
Well, there is no family more prominent in Delaware than Biden family. And
that's a consideration you know, he had some sort of professional ties to Bo
Biden, who was the Attorney General of Delaware, so he's no stranger to
the Bidens, and he cooked up that original plea deal that was incredibly friendly,
right, Yeah, But I think that the incentive structure was totally different
for that before the whistleblowers came out, because a lot the extent of the
evidence that investigators had covered hadn't come to light yet, and so protecting the
Justice Department's reputation and perhaps more importantly, protecting his own reputation, looked like
not charging a head too aggressively and following the DJ's guidelines. Yes, when
the whistleblowers came out and exposed all of this, all of a sudden,
I think David Weiss's incentive structure really changed, and protecting his own reputation and
the Justice Department's reputation no longer looked like going easy on Hunter Biden. It
looked like charging him aggressively. Interesting, and so that's why David Weiss shifted
in a way that has seemingly upset the rest of the Justice Department and Biden
himself. Sarah introduces these glimpses of optimism into my life, and it's it's
hard for me to hold on to it because I'm so pessimistic on a lot
of these things. But she'll say something like that, and then I'll log
on and like read the federals and they'll be like the opposite, the opposite,
take I hear a lot of times because people learning and this is never
going to happen, it is so far. And then and then he actually,
all these charges are broad that could put Hunter Biden in prison for years,
and people are still naysane. So like, if Sarah proves wrong on
this, all those people will be able to say, like I told you,
there's no justice, and if she proves right, they'll, I mean,
it'll be a good thing. It'll be interesting to see some actual accountability
there. Well, the one thing he hasn't charged, it's been moving that
direction, by the way. I mean, it is like the most obvious
crime that Hunter Biden committed is a felony. There's a violation of the Foreign
Agent Registration Act, and he has still not been charged with PHAROH violations,
despite the fact that that is what Paul Manifort was charged with. I think
Michael Flynn was charged with lots of people in the Trump orbit have been charged
with Farah violations in ways by the way that people who were doing parallel ops
like Tony Podesta parallel to Paul Manifort, just basically skated on Phara violations.
And Hunter Biden is sort of very obviously like the entire work he was doing
for Barisma, the entire work he was doing for all of these different clients,
whether it's in in Ukraine, whether it's in Mexico, Kazakhstan. I
mean, you could play like, where in the world is Karmen seint Leego
three favorite countries with the Pharaoh violations. David Whye still has not charged Hunter
Biden with any of that. Is it possible that he still does because that
the latest indictment that was rolled out, to your point was seemingly much tougher
on Hunter Biden, and your theory actually makes so much sense, but there's
still no faar in it. It Could that come in twenty twenty four.
It's still possible, and prosecutors have left the door open for that, but
I'm less I think that's less likely because Gary Shapley, one of the Irs
whistleblowers, testified to Congress that the strongest component of their fare case that they
were building died when the Statute of Limitations expired for twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen.
That's when hunter Biden was doing the bulk of his work with Barismat got
it Okay, there's a much weaker body of evidence for some of the other
foreign clients that hunter Biden had, I mean, the lobbyists that he brought
on from a firm he was connected to Blue Star Strategies, were also investigated
for Farah violations. And unlike any of the Trump associates you mentioned, they
were allowed to file Farah disclosure form actively six years after they did that work.
It's what Tony Pedesta did. What nobody else is allowed to file Farah
disclosures retroactively. But because the Bearisma work is now really prosecutors are time barred
on that one, it's a weaker case. So it's unclear, Geez,
I didn't realize that the statue. So the Statute of Limitations is another important
part of this that you had already brought up, and that was part of
Shapley And what's the name of the other whistleblower, it's such as z Rightes
Ziegler. Right, okay, that was the name of one of my Spanish
teachers in middle school. So very easy remembering and chappily and Ziegler talked about
the let's not get Spanish. Really yeah. I helped John Daniel Davidson a
little bit in Mexico how to talk with Professor Ziegler about your proficiency. My
favorite thing is that in and you're gonna Hobbler in Wisconsin, all of your
Spanish teachers, it's like Senora Ziegler, Senora Weber. They're all being German
name, like Senora Schuster was getting Spanish lessons in Argentina. Yes, yes,
that Argentinian bastion of so yeah. They many people call Waukesha County the
Argentina anyway, Moving right along, uh, Sarah. That was like a
hugely important part of their testimonies that came out. It was the summer right
around July or August. Okay, well, no, it all that they
said the slow walking past the Statute of Limitations, which we were kind of
joking about earlier. I thought that wasn't just related to fair There were slow
walking other charges that have since elapsed, right, that are the Statute of
limitations has elapsed on other charges? Were those again remind me? So there
were some tax related charges iertained in twenty fifteen because Hunter Biden was allegedly take
listing his income from Barisma as a loan and they were the IRS for one
of his own companies. Yeah, they were the irs, guys. And
so they were saying, basically, it's you can't loan yourself your own money,
right, that family love loans, right, I've written about that.
And so that part of the case died last year when the statute of limitations
expired and then the faira piece I believe has expired. But also there was
some slow walking into the Blue Star Strategies investigation. One of the prosecutors on
the case said they couldn't there was another whistleblower. There was another whistleblower well,
so Gary Shapley and Jesseph Ziegler said they wanted a search warrant for Blue
Star Strategies because Blue Star Strategies, as we now know, and as they've
now admitted, we're conducting outreach on behalf of Barisma to the State Department and
to the Hillary Clinton campaign and textbook all of that. Yeah, right,
But the prosecutors and David why Office said, and Leslie Wolf, the now
former she's since departed the DJ but the now former prosecutor said, you can't
get that search warr And they said that really dealt a blow to the Pharah
investigation. And actually, now that I'm thinking about it, that's what I
was talking about. They said that the bulk of their Farah case died was
the denial of the search warrant for the bloo Star strategies. I'm actually a
little fuzzy. Might have like a little bit more time on the clock for
the Pharaoh charges for that's a really good question. The uh long long plans
to retire that long predated all of this, of course, and that happened
last month. You didn't know she about a timeshare like five years ago,
right, obviously she knew. I know, you know that. I don't
know that, but it was it was a long time, but she was.
She was running like the pension because no one leaves. I don't want
to complain, but I don't. I feel like, Sarah, you should
really know that, you should. I know, it's great, it's fun.
She was pulled off the case in the May June timeframe. Right before
the Plea deal went forward. But she left the bureau altogether like a week
ago, very recently. Yeah, so the DJ is basically a racket.
This is insane. It's it's always been pretty bad, I know. But
like when you take a step back with the Biden stuff, the Trump stuff
and the Clinton stuff, this is all just in the last ten years.
Like listen, our heart's all bled from Martha Stewart, but just in the
last ten years. I was much more of a trained free Martha. I
was never on the free Brittany train with all y'all. Yeah, okay,
but actually, Sarah, where do you stand on free Brittany bro I was
pro actually I still am you. What if you want to be a lunatic
in public? That is this is America, go crazy, dance with knives
on Instagram. Yeah, shave your head, It's fine. Yep. These
are all ideas for Christ of the New Year. But the other yeah,
so should we? I don't know. I'm deciding whether or not to go
down a free Britney tangent. We probably shouldn't, Sarah. I want to
imprison half the people on the streets of DC who act half as crazy as
Brittany acting free Hunter, Right, This is a man who's been unjustly penalized
for trying to protect himself and his family. So when we printed out that
sign that's in the bathroom that says they're not after me, they're after you,
just in the way, Yeah, with Hunter Biden on it, it
was ironic and funny. Yeah, but that was kind of a speech he
gave in front of the US Capital today. It was like, they're not
after me, Yeah, they're after you. That's my family. That's a
good point because clearly the Biden strategy going into a presidential election year where Biden's
approval ratings are abysmal his own party, pulling from his own party shows that
most Democratic voters wish they had another option that was not Joe Biden. Who
who Yeah, right, just a real struggle for him. They seem to
be rolling out a new strategy which I'm actually surprised that they didn't sort of
embrace earlier, which is Hunter Biden emotionally confronting his problems in person. He
obviously avoided testifying at Congress last week, and as Christians alluded to, gave
this defiant speech on the steps of the Capitol. This seems to be a
pretty clear strategy for the new year. But Sara's had a couple of good
pieces on this. His PR strategy is basically the opposite of the strategy he
needs in the legal system. So I'll let you make the case. But
right, well, I think that's I mean, this is all a part
of a PR campaign, right to soften Hunter Brighton's edges. He's not a
very sympathetic figure. And I don't mean that in like a subjective way.
I just mean he's a very privileged white man, Yale educated, had an
enormous amount of wealth. You don't have to bring race into it, but
go on, I'm just saying for anyone who comes for me for democratic standards,
Yeah, I'm just saying that he's not a naturally sympathetic figure. And
so I think part of this PR strategy is to soften his edges and make
him look less like a villain and at least muddy the waters, at the
very least make him seem like a complicated figure. And that pure strategy is
at odds with what would one would think would be a fact based defense,
and particularly in the tax charges, the most serious felonies of everything that he's
facing relate to the twenty eighteen tax year and in the twenty eighteen tax year,
which he didn't end up filing his returns on it till twenty twenty.
But when he did file the twenty eighteen returns during the presidential race, he
lied about business deductions that he lots and lots of expenses. All the frivolous
headlines you've seen. I'm sure you are so good women calling for them frivolous
does not do them justice, right, it's salacious, yes, selatious or
frivolous holidays purchases, but I did not buy and a couple of hookers matchings
writing frivolous, Oh you didn't. I not for Buster, I'm sorry,
matching sweaters with myself. Oh. I thought it was matching swords for the
both cats so that they could match, But it was so the cat you
don't match with so much worse, who doesn't like swetters cats? Yeah?
No they don't. The only thing I said, she was like, can
I get these? And I said, just not for Buster. He's the
cat that I came into the marriage with and I must protect him. Yeah.
The other one's you know, you're under Sarah' jurisdiction. Did you get
Chris a sweater to match with you? And okay, okay, I'm sorry
that I'm a mid thirties woman. I'm early thirty. You're not in your
mid thirties. I'm thirty one, and my biological clock is telling me to
dress my cat up. So that's who cannot blame nature on dressing up a
cat, especially when we got a seven year old locked up in the kitchen
right now. Yeah, he's not, He's not exactly the word doesn't lock.
He did not like the smell of video espresso machine though, No,
he did not, which is fair. But anyway, Sarah's so, man,
we are going down so many different roads. It's really beautiful when you
think about it. But the legal strategy of Hunter embracing is the emotional trauma
and whatever else I think when people do see him. This is part of
the reason I'm surprised and embrace it earlier, is that he's for all the
things you hear about him writing off the flights for his hookers on his taxes
incredible. But he's surprisingly well spoken because if you just know the kind of
caricature of Hunter, Biden which I don't think is even a caricature. I
think it's actually probably accurate. We've all seen the man naked on water slides
at this point, but unfortunately, yes I'm not. But I did see
him like obviously tweaking on coke at the July fourth party at the White House.
Yeah, yeah, well you haven't seen the video of him on the
water slide. I wouldn't like to either, no one. I also haven't
seen the Henry Rogers Dailey collar video. We didn't talk about that yet.
I have different Internet habits than you. I think I know what I'm going
to send you on Christmas Day. It'll be a link. It'll be a
link to like an E card, and when you click on, it'll just
be a wonderful Christmas present, a sweaty Christmas present. But Sarah, the
legal implications of Hunter Biden spending the next year in the public eye defending himself.
That is different than the fact that there's tension between his dad being in
an election year with bad poll numbers and him needing to actually beat these cases
right right, And I mean in the strict legal sense for him to go
out and sort of play up his personal battles with addiction and claim that he
wasn't in control of his actions, and they're going after me to try to
exploit mistakes I made. Doesn't really fit with a fact based defense that would
require him to go to court and say, no, your honor, these
were business expenses I was doing business in twenty eighteen, because they can't be
both right, and so that's a really business on coke, but not crack
bisness. You can do business business on crack in a lot of ways.
They kind of have him dead to rights on this. I mean, he
wrote about specific trips in specific months, on specific years that drugs, and
his memoir Side of the Hotels wrote about exactly what he was doing there and
then later tried to claim those of business expenses. So those two things are
really at odds with each other. And I think Hunter Biden's got some new
people around him advising him that being more aggressive might help him in the court
of public opinion, and that sort of tends to bleed into the courts of
law in some ways. That doesn't necessarily help Joe Biden, I mean Hunter
Biden. Whenever Hunter Biden is in the news or front and center and people
are talking about this. It's not a good thing for Joe Biden. And
so you know, Hunter Biden's own interests are also kind of at odds with
Joe Biden's political interests right now. I mean, you guys both cover campaigns,
and I guess I'm curious just on the political level and if we stay
purely on the public relations level, because the cases are so tangled and interesting,
but just politically, I do think the public is tuned out to a
lot of these details, just because there's so many of them, and they've
never talked about on Good Morning America. They never really talked about any morning
shows a lot of people get their news from except for Fox and Friends,
right and I talked about and the local news. You have to basically search
for it to find it. But I do think that there has been a
quieting of the look, how corrupt the Trump family, the Trump kids are
so like just politically talking about it. Well, but that's why I think
the Hunter Biden defense, I'm surprised that they didn't embrace it earlier, because
again, if your top line is Hunter Biden on the steps of the Capitol
defending his addiction, and that's what the media is obviously going to run with
way more that they're going to than they're going to run thing. Yeah,
they're not supposed to go after the president's children, Yeah, when they're suffering.
So again, that's why when you have the sort of such a tangled
and broad scope and all of these legal details going on with Hunter Biden and
the racket, that is a Department of Justice completely like Soprano style level corruption
broader than that. I don't know, I don't think it actually hurts prwise
to have Hunter Biden out there. You know, I think that the polling
shows that people aren't buying what he's selling on The polling does show that people
think he ought to be convicted of crimes that people think. Most people believe
that Joe Biden had some level involvement in this. The problem is that Joe
Biden made such definitive denials during the twenty twenty race. Right if he had
said then what he's saying now, he be insulated from a lot of this
because technically he wasn't in business like he did. His name wasn't on the
masthead of the Hunter Biden business website, you know, he didn't have business
cards like that. Denial covers a lot of the stuff that we've had Keys
to the office. Well, that's yeah, he did. He did,
but beautiful and made such definitive denials in twenty twenty that it's very clear he
lied to the American people. And because of that, all the explanations that
are coming out now the Democrats really want to buy is that what they started
with? Right? The goalposts have moved so far from my number once discussed
business, didn't even talk about it, didn't even know he had a business,
all right, So what is the worst case scenario for Hunter Biden legally
in twenty twenty four, assuming the tax trial gets underway in twenty twenty four,
I mean, I think he's he's legally vulnerable to a conviction at this
point. The evidence is very very strong, and it's pretty clear from everything
we've or if it wasn't very very strong, if they didn't essentially have him
dead to rights, they would never have brought it. They were essentially at
times looking for ways not to bring it. But the evidence was too strong,
and that can happen within the next year, and then what is the
what could he be facing like how he could be facing him seventeen years in
prison if he's convicted on all of the tax charges, and technically I think
something like twenty five years in prison in Delaware, but sentencing guidelines, I
mean he's probably looking at a lot less than that and possibly no jail time.
But the tax charges are a lot more serious, and specifically the lying
to the irs charges related to the twenty eighteen situation. And I think that
he's also in a bit of trouble here because Weiss was willing to avoid a
trial and play ball with the plea deal in Delaware, and I sort of
expected to see another plea deal in California, maybe a more serious one,
maybe one that included him even spending a couple of months behind bars. But
we didn't see any offer of that. We saw an indictment, which signals
that David Weiss seems like he's interested in taking this to trial and proving the
strength of his case rather than getting criticized for another plea deal. And that
was an option that was on the table. There could have been a plea
deal, but there wasn't one, and that means I think that the Justice
Department, or at least David Weiss, isn't necessarily interested in shielding Hunter Biden
anymore. What he's shielding is the Justice Department's reputation because I do think he's
a career minded prospect. I don't think he's a Republican or conservative like the
way that Hunter Ridings attorneys are trying to make him out to be. I
also don't think that he's this like liberal cover up artist, that he's a
company man and all of a sudden, protecting the DOJ looks like bringing the
case forward. Yeah, I think that theory is actually clarified a lot of
things for me, and it will be helpful to carry into the new year.
Also because the Biden's if you're a Delaware man, right now, the
Biden name has been sullied so much that they you'll recognize that in the next
couple of decades next the immediate post presidency for the Biden. If Joe Biden
has a post residency, I don't mean to sound morbid. They can't do
much for you. I mean their reputation has been pretty sully. Yeah,
and it's not like Joe Biden's going to leave office like Bill Clinton left office,
right. Yeah, A young person relatively with a wife, with the
political future. Yeah, Doc don't count out doctor Jill the next surge.
In general, it's my favorite. It's my favorite. Whoope Goldberg quote would
be an easy swap actually, speaking of Well, okay, so guys,
you need to indulge me in this hypothetical. You are, let's say,
Chris is Hunter Biden, Sarah you're married to him. Next year's looking bleak.
I think a lot of us are looking ahead at twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty five and feeling down about the country. How are you going to
celebrate Christmas and New Year's? How are you going to decorate? How are
you going to cook? How are you going to approach the trappings Hunter?
Yeah, if you are Hunter Biden and Sarah is married to you, I'm
Melissa Cohen in this. Yeah, you're Melissa Cohen, and you have to
you It is your job. And Chris, it's your job too, to
have a happy Christmas, to make Mary be festive, and to lift your
spirits going in Oh good quese. No, obviously, where would our children
go in this scenario? Well, see this is a look after that.
Well, no, this is a great question. So I approached the hypothetical
to say children because what we wanted to talk about was we got Sarah.
Sarah came in and made everything serious and forced us so sorry, I'm a
very boring serious person. It was just like very very serious journalists. We
have other things to talk about, Sarah. We wanted to talk about cocktails.
We'll get We'll get to that in the air of grievances. Okay,
well, yeah there. What is the best way to incorporate cocaine in a
holiday meal? Oh you're the baker Chriss experience with that, so I would
really know gingerbread house. Yeah, like cookies, Yeah, just dust.
I like dusting. But you guys are both very good at actually being that.
A partially hypothetical part of what we want to talk about was how you
celebrate Christmas in the Bedford housholds. You guys do a good job. How
are you approaching Christmas in New Year's in terms of cooking, decorating, and
all of them. We've I think worked out a happy medium where I get
to be in charge of sides and he gets to be in charge of meats,
and I take my side game very seriously. So I've been planning my
Christmas Pinterest since July, so I'm all over this. It wasn't until I
married Sarah that I had ever seen Halloween themed appetizers like spooky hot dogs.
How did you never seen that before. I didn't grow up in the Midwest.
She didn't grow up in the Midwest. It seems normal to you there.
I grew up in a place with like old names and old traditions and
spooky ghosts. Yeah, I would describe our Christmas VI was like pin interest
meets old folks home and how we're celebrating Christmas. Someone taught your grandmother to
use a laptop. That's thee She thinks. Colonial carollers are kind of creepy.
Creepy. I think they're right. Yeah. In fact, I was
just in Massachusetts at a wedding and they incorporated colonial carollers in the middle right
in Boston Port. That's part of the god rest you married, gentlemen.
But Sarah's gonna be a lot of freedom on the meat. I'm really excited
to see what soup she's making this year. She does great appetizers, great
size. The only hard part, because I've given up a lot of controlling
different things. The only hard part this year is we're doing a steakhouse night,
a few nights before. Actually not, that's oh, that's actually not
accurate. Stumble those to something uncomfort making a steak and I will be making
the sides of my choosing that don't necessarily conform to a menu. Add an
old person, steakhouse would look like cream spinach. She's like stakhouse mushrooms.
And no, we're going to end up with like Santa Claus themed characters on
that Claus carrots just make Halloween appetisers for the take out. That's all right,
keep complaining, all right, you two crazy kids. Thanks so much
for joining us. Sarah Bedford, investigations editor over at the Washington Examiner,
and Christopher Bedford, executive editor of the Common Sense Society. We appreciate it.
Thanks for having me. Great to be here. Of course you've been
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then, be lovers of freedom, anxious for the frame