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You know, it brings me so

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much pleasure to say Bedford was making
noise during the introduction, because this time

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it's not Chris Bedford, it's Sarah
Bedford, who's like crinkling rappers, like

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an old woman in a movie theater
getting her caramels out. Sorry, I'm

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only just cold open started in the
middle of a conversation we were having me

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a little bit by surprise. So
ever, ready for an investigations editor at

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the Washington Examiner. You recently became
an editor, Sarah, which listen,

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Chris and I have been editors,
Chris longer than me because he's an old

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man. But welcome to the club. Thank you. I'm not sure if

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I'm a worthy member, but here
we are. Editing is a totally different

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ball game. That's something I'm learning. It is a completely different pace of

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work and almost a different skill set
in some ways than being a reporter.

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So it's been a learning curve,
but it's excellent. And you've got this

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to be an editor who's been a
reporter first. Oh yeah, Like that's

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important because I've worked with some editors
are who are like, aren't good reporters,

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never were And it stinks, it's
tough, But you've got this because

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and now I love it because all
of the things that make me angry that

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I'm like, you should report on
this to Sarah and she's like, I

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don't have the time to do that. Comp make a Gabe do it.

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Gabe Covinski, who, by the
way, has nothing but good things to

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say about your tenure so far,
your young tenure as investigations, other that

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he is a rising star for sure. He's a hard working guy. All

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right, Sarah, Well, now
that you're an editor, we are going

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to lean on you for the editorial
perspective, by the authoritative perspective on what's

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going on with the Biden family in
twenty twenty four and the Biden crime family,

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the Biden crime family and Democrats you
know, I didn't say either of

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this. I was just going to
say Sarah is a better reporter than either

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of us have ever been. No
offense, Chris, No, No,

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we're both better. We're both fine. She's just good. She's really good,

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and she always has been really good, very kind. Yes, you're

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you're so welcome, Sarah. You
didn't thank me, but I was.

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I was preempting it. Yeah,
you're well, your heart. Yeah,

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but that is to say the a
lot of this Hunter stuff you have been

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on top of for a long time, and there's so much to keep track

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of that I actually don't think I
am doing a very good job of keeping

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track of how sort of the scale
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are. They should probably be much
broader. But that said, in twenty

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twenty four, what can we expect. They're still appending, they're depending cases.

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What could happen to Hunter Biden in
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an election year. It's an election
year, and he could, in theory,

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face two different criminal trials, one
in Delaware and one in California.

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OK, but you know all of
the bureaucratic red tape that has kept Hunter

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Biden from being indicted until, in
some cases more than five or six years

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after the alleged misconduct took place.
Could also prevent those trials from moving forward.

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I think a lot of the double
standard argument when it comes to Donald

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Trump is because none of that your
cratic red tape has existed in Donald Trump's

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prosecutions. You know a lot of
like what David Weiss and other DOJ people

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who are involved in the investigation have
told Congress is like, well, there

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are all these rules. When you're
going to charge someone in a politically sensitive

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case, you have to get approval
from this bureau, in this department,

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all the way up through the layers
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to do anything, it's very important
to slow walk it past the Statute of

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Limitations, one of the most important
rules, right, that's actually in the

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guidebook. But none of those processes
applied to Donald Trump's investigation. So I

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think a lot of the Democrats are
able to say where the dj was just

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following its rules. They didn't break
the law. What they did wasn't illegal,

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and that's actually true, but they
just only followed these rules. In

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the Hunter Biden investigations and those rules
did not seem to apply in Donald Trump's

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situation. But we know it's not
hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. It's they're in

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charge. They get to make these
calls, and just like we're going to

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see Republicans go, but your arrest
is Steve Baden for contempt of Congress,

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and the DOJ is like, yeah, yeah, but this is different.

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We're not going to do it.
In both cases, they're technically following their

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rules. It's just that the rules
are selectively applied. Okay, So,

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and is there any another story that
you were on top of, like right

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away, is there any parallel between
how they used those rules in the probe

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of Hillary Clinton and how they're using
them in the probe of Hunter Biden.

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Well, I think yes, yes
and no. Right. I mean,

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in the Hillary Clinton case, she
was never charged with anything, but there

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wasn't as much scrutiny on the DOJ's
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was before a lot of the skepticism
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So while there was scrutiny on James
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he made to speak out, there
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press right in the Hillary Clinton case. One of the big problems that you

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know, I was writing about and
other people were covering, was that every

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witness that the DJ interviewed, basically
everyone that mattered, was given immunity.

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And then Hillary Clinton wasn't charged because
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intent statute surrounding classified documents. The
but people who should have potentially been charged,

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who helped her knowingly helped her concealed
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from the Foyer process were all given
immunity. Cheryl Mills, for example,

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one of her top aides, who
haven't heard that name in so long.

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No right, all of this Clinton
knowledge that I had in my head became

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useless in November twenty sixties. You
think, just keep it going. I

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mean, the American Spectator basically has
like a Clinton themed gala once a year.

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Still you read that magazine. Is
that going to keep funny, you

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know, in perpetuity or eventually?
Is it like Bob Terrell, great guy,

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all of his jokes about the Clinton
White House whitewater corruption, and you'd

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noticed less laughs than the audience each
year because less people, people are aging

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out of the people are like really
remember, yeah, but you so you

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said it became irrelevant in twenty sixteen, But like a contraire, it became

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more relevant than either ever because the
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of twenty sixteen in the Russia collusion
investigation. I think a key difference that

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just came to me so my brain
is lagging apparently between the Hunter Biden investigation

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and the Hillary Clinton investigation, is
that in Hillary Clinton's case, they fast

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tracked it to get her exonerated before
the election. In Hunter Biden's case,

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they sort of did the opposite,
and they slow walked it passed when his

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father would be elected. And now
they've sort of, you know, it

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seems tried to slow walk it even
past the statute of limitations. At least

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that's what the whistleblowers and some of
the witnesses have. Now what are they

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doing? I mean, his twenty
twenty four looks grim more than I would

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have I think, more than a
Hunter Biden hunters of both. Yeah,

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I mean, Joe Biden might lose
a job. It doesn't know he has,

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like Hunter Biden might go to prison, Frank Biden, James Biden,

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James is never going down. Well, so yeah, on that point,

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sir, you mentioned two particular potential
cases California Delaware. Could you walk us

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through what could come in both of
those? Sure? So. In Delaware,

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Hunter Brden is facing three criminal charges
related to this alleged illegal gun purchase

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from October twenty eighteen. Stay strong, brother, that's right. I mean

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part of the criticism of the DJ
You got a team on so many of

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these. You want to be on
Hunter Brighten's side. Yeah, it's like,

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yeah, dude, crack get guns. Well, the interesting thing is

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that they're actually making a pretty conservative
argument in the defense in that case.

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They're making a bruined defense, citing
the Supreme Court's president in Bruin versus New

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York State Rifle Association that happened last
year, basically the most important gun case

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has happened in modern America, and
people don't really talk about it, No,

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not at all often. Sarah talks
about it a lot. Well,

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because it's now it's extremely relevant.
It was being used by Hunter Biden.

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But you know what, if the
Justice Department had not slow walked this so

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much, Bruin would have occurred after
Hunter Biden was charged. I mean,

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this could have been handled before Bruin
was even a thought. And so that's

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part of the criticism is that Hunter
Biden's strongest defense against those charges is only

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possible because it took five years for
the Justice Department to bring these charges and

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what seems to be a pretty open
in chetcase. And what are they challenging

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when it comes to Bruin? What
is the Hunter Biden defense here? So

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Bruin basically held that gun laws have
to fit into the historical tradition of the

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Second Amendment and the way that it
was originally intended to operate, and then

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the way that it was applied in
the eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,

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before gun control became a thing,
and so before Chris got to high school,

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right exactly, very very long time
ago, so hard to remember.

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And so Hunter Biden's attorneys are arguing
that it infringes upon Hunter's rights to say

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that he shouldn't have been allowed to
own a gun just because he was an

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active substance abuser. And there have
been similar cases that have challenged things like

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whether felons can have their Second Amendment
rights stripped away indefinitely that have been successful

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in the lower course. So that's
a challenge that is politically awkward for Joe

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Biden because Joe Biden called the Bruin
case travesty. He's been really critical of

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efforts to roll back gun rights under
that framework. But that's the best defense

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Hunter Biden has in that case.
It's not the only one, because they're

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also challenging David Weiss's legitimacy as a
special counsel on the statue under which he

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was given that status. David Weiss, and again this is something you've reported

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on, is, if anything,
a protector of Hunter Biden. So Sarah's

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got an interesting theory on this.
I like what he's actually interested in protecting.

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I have a theory of the case
that he is very much a career

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oriented people pleasing and I don't have
your own butt guy. Yeah right,

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And I don't mean that pejoratively,
but he's a Delaware guy, right,

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He is a Delaware guy. And
I think that is a sort of I

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want to mess with the family in
Delaware, the family capitalized, right,

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Well, there is no family more
prominent in Delaware than Biden family. And

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that's a consideration you know, he
had some sort of professional ties to Bo

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Biden, who was the Attorney General
of Delaware, so he's no stranger to

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the Bidens, and he cooked up
that original plea deal that was incredibly friendly,

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right, Yeah, But I think
that the incentive structure was totally different

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for that before the whistleblowers came out, because a lot the extent of the

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evidence that investigators had covered hadn't come
to light yet, and so protecting the

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Justice Department's reputation and perhaps more importantly, protecting his own reputation, looked like

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not charging a head too aggressively and
following the DJ's guidelines. Yes, when

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the whistleblowers came out and exposed all
of this, all of a sudden,

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I think David Weiss's incentive structure really
changed, and protecting his own reputation and

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the Justice Department's reputation no longer looked
like going easy on Hunter Biden. It

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looked like charging him aggressively. Interesting, and so that's why David Weiss shifted

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in a way that has seemingly upset
the rest of the Justice Department and Biden

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himself. Sarah introduces these glimpses of
optimism into my life, and it's it's

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hard for me to hold on to
it because I'm so pessimistic on a lot

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of these things. But she'll say
something like that, and then I'll log

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on and like read the federals and
they'll be like the opposite, the opposite,

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take I hear a lot of times
because people learning and this is never

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going to happen, it is so
far. And then and then he actually,

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all these charges are broad that could
put Hunter Biden in prison for years,

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and people are still naysane. So
like, if Sarah proves wrong on

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this, all those people will be
able to say, like I told you,

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there's no justice, and if she
proves right, they'll, I mean,

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it'll be a good thing. It'll
be interesting to see some actual accountability

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there. Well, the one thing
he hasn't charged, it's been moving that

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direction, by the way. I
mean, it is like the most obvious

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crime that Hunter Biden committed is a
felony. There's a violation of the Foreign

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Agent Registration Act, and he has
still not been charged with PHAROH violations,

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despite the fact that that is what
Paul Manifort was charged with. I think

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Michael Flynn was charged with lots of
people in the Trump orbit have been charged

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with Farah violations in ways by the
way that people who were doing parallel ops

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like Tony Podesta parallel to Paul Manifort, just basically skated on Phara violations.

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And Hunter Biden is sort of very
obviously like the entire work he was doing

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for Barisma, the entire work he
was doing for all of these different clients,

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whether it's in in Ukraine, whether
it's in Mexico, Kazakhstan. I

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mean, you could play like,
where in the world is Karmen seint Leego

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three favorite countries with the Pharaoh violations. David Whye still has not charged Hunter

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Biden with any of that. Is
it possible that he still does because that

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the latest indictment that was rolled out, to your point was seemingly much tougher

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on Hunter Biden, and your theory
actually makes so much sense, but there's

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still no faar in it. It
Could that come in twenty twenty four.

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It's still possible, and prosecutors have
left the door open for that, but

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I'm less I think that's less likely
because Gary Shapley, one of the Irs

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whistleblowers, testified to Congress that the
strongest component of their fare case that they

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were building died when the Statute of
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That's when hunter Biden was doing the
bulk of his work with Barismat got

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it Okay, there's a much weaker
body of evidence for some of the other

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foreign clients that hunter Biden had,
I mean, the lobbyists that he brought

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on from a firm he was connected
to Blue Star Strategies, were also investigated

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for Farah violations. And unlike any
of the Trump associates you mentioned, they

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were allowed to file Farah disclosure form
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It's what Tony Pedesta did. What
nobody else is allowed to file Farah

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disclosures retroactively. But because the Bearisma
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on that one, it's a weaker
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I didn't realize that the statue.
So the Statute of Limitations is another important

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part of this that you had already
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Shapley And what's the name of the
other whistleblower, it's such as z Rightes

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Ziegler. Right, okay, that
was the name of one of my Spanish

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teachers in middle school. So very
easy remembering and chappily and Ziegler talked about

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the let's not get Spanish. Really
yeah. I helped John Daniel Davidson a

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little bit in Mexico how to talk
with Professor Ziegler about your proficiency. My

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favorite thing is that in and you're
gonna Hobbler in Wisconsin, all of your

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Spanish teachers, it's like Senora Ziegler, Senora Weber. They're all being German

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name, like Senora Schuster was getting
Spanish lessons in Argentina. Yes, yes,

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that Argentinian bastion of so yeah.
They many people call Waukesha County the

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Argentina anyway, Moving right along,
uh, Sarah. That was like a

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hugely important part of their testimonies that
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around July or August. Okay,
well, no, it all that they

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said the slow walking past the Statute
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joking about earlier. I thought that
wasn't just related to fair There were slow

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walking other charges that have since elapsed, right, that are the Statute of

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limitations has elapsed on other charges?
Were those again remind me? So there

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were some tax related charges iertained in
twenty fifteen because Hunter Biden was allegedly take

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listing his income from Barisma as a
loan and they were the IRS for one

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of his own companies. Yeah,
they were the irs, guys. And

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so they were saying, basically,
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right, that family love loans,
right, I've written about that.

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And so that part of the case
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expired and then the faira piece I
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some slow walking into the Blue Star
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the case said they couldn't there was
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so Gary Shapley and Jesseph Ziegler said
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Star Strategies because Blue Star Strategies,
as we now know, and as they've

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now admitted, we're conducting outreach on
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to the Hillary Clinton campaign and textbook
all of that. Yeah, right,

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But the prosecutors and David why Office
said, and Leslie Wolf, the now

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former she's since departed the DJ but
the now former prosecutor said, you can't

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get that search warr And they said
that really dealt a blow to the Pharah

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investigation. And actually, now that
I'm thinking about it, that's what I

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was talking about. They said that
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the denial of the search warrant for
the bloo Star strategies. I'm actually a

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little fuzzy. Might have like a
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the Pharaoh charges for that's a really
good question. The uh long long plans

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to retire that long predated all of
this, of course, and that happened

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last month. You didn't know she
about a timeshare like five years ago,

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right, obviously she knew. I
know, you know that. I don't

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know that, but it was it
was a long time, but she was.

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She was running like the pension because
no one leaves. I don't want

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to complain, but I don't.
I feel like, Sarah, you should

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really know that, you should.
I know, it's great, it's fun.

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She was pulled off the case in
the May June timeframe. Right before

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the Plea deal went forward. But
she left the bureau altogether like a week

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ago, very recently. Yeah,
so the DJ is basically a racket.

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This is insane. It's it's always
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like when you take a step back
with the Biden stuff, the Trump stuff

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and the Clinton stuff, this is
all just in the last ten years.

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Like listen, our heart's all bled
from Martha Stewart, but just in the

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last ten years. I was much
more of a trained free Martha. I

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was never on the free Brittany train
with all y'all. Yeah, okay,

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but actually, Sarah, where do
you stand on free Brittany bro I was

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pro actually I still am you.
What if you want to be a lunatic

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in public? That is this is
America, go crazy, dance with knives

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on Instagram. Yeah, shave your
head, It's fine. Yep. These

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are all ideas for Christ of the
New Year. But the other yeah,

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so should we? I don't know. I'm deciding whether or not to go

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down a free Britney tangent. We
probably shouldn't, Sarah. I want to

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imprison half the people on the streets
of DC who act half as crazy as

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Brittany acting free Hunter, Right,
This is a man who's been unjustly penalized

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for trying to protect himself and his
family. So when we printed out that

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sign that's in the bathroom that says
they're not after me, they're after you,

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just in the way, Yeah,
with Hunter Biden on it, it

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was ironic and funny. Yeah,
but that was kind of a speech he

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gave in front of the US Capital
today. It was like, they're not

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after me, Yeah, they're after
you. That's my family. That's a

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good point because clearly the Biden strategy
going into a presidential election year where Biden's

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approval ratings are abysmal his own party, pulling from his own party shows that

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most Democratic voters wish they had another
option that was not Joe Biden. Who

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who Yeah, right, just a
real struggle for him. They seem to

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be rolling out a new strategy which
I'm actually surprised that they didn't sort of

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embrace earlier, which is Hunter Biden
emotionally confronting his problems in person. He

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obviously avoided testifying at Congress last week, and as Christians alluded to, gave

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this defiant speech on the steps of
the Capitol. This seems to be a

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pretty clear strategy for the new year. But Sara's had a couple of good

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pieces on this. His PR strategy
is basically the opposite of the strategy he

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needs in the legal system. So
I'll let you make the case. But

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right, well, I think that's
I mean, this is all a part

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of a PR campaign, right to
soften Hunter Brighton's edges. He's not a

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very sympathetic figure. And I don't
mean that in like a subjective way.

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I just mean he's a very privileged
white man, Yale educated, had an

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enormous amount of wealth. You don't
have to bring race into it, but

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go on, I'm just saying for
anyone who comes for me for democratic standards,

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Yeah, I'm just saying that he's
not a naturally sympathetic figure. And

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so I think part of this PR
strategy is to soften his edges and make

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him look less like a villain and
at least muddy the waters, at the

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very least make him seem like a
complicated figure. And that pure strategy is

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at odds with what would one would
think would be a fact based defense,

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and particularly in the tax charges,
the most serious felonies of everything that he's

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facing relate to the twenty eighteen tax
year and in the twenty eighteen tax year,

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which he didn't end up filing his
returns on it till twenty twenty.

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But when he did file the twenty
eighteen returns during the presidential race, he

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lied about business deductions that he lots
and lots of expenses. All the frivolous

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headlines you've seen. I'm sure you
are so good women calling for them frivolous

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does not do them justice, right, it's salacious, yes, selatious or

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frivolous holidays purchases, but I did
not buy and a couple of hookers matchings

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writing frivolous, Oh you didn't.
I not for Buster, I'm sorry,

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matching sweaters with myself. Oh.
I thought it was matching swords for the

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both cats so that they could match, But it was so the cat you

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don't match with so much worse,
who doesn't like swetters cats? Yeah?

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No they don't. The only thing
I said, she was like, can

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I get these? And I said, just not for Buster. He's the

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cat that I came into the marriage
with and I must protect him. Yeah.

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The other one's you know, you're
under Sarah' jurisdiction. Did you get

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Chris a sweater to match with you? And okay, okay, I'm sorry

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that I'm a mid thirties woman.
I'm early thirty. You're not in your

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mid thirties. I'm thirty one,
and my biological clock is telling me to

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dress my cat up. So that's
who cannot blame nature on dressing up a

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cat, especially when we got a
seven year old locked up in the kitchen

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right now. Yeah, he's not, He's not exactly the word doesn't lock.

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He did not like the smell of
video espresso machine though, No,

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he did not, which is fair. But anyway, Sarah's so, man,

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we are going down so many different
roads. It's really beautiful when you

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think about it. But the legal
strategy of Hunter embracing is the emotional trauma

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and whatever else I think when people
do see him. This is part of

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the reason I'm surprised and embrace it
earlier, is that he's for all the

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things you hear about him writing off
the flights for his hookers on his taxes

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incredible. But he's surprisingly well spoken
because if you just know the kind of

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caricature of Hunter, Biden which I
don't think is even a caricature. I

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think it's actually probably accurate. We've
all seen the man naked on water slides

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at this point, but unfortunately,
yes I'm not. But I did see

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him like obviously tweaking on coke at
the July fourth party at the White House.

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Yeah, yeah, well you haven't
seen the video of him on the

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water slide. I wouldn't like to
either, no one. I also haven't

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seen the Henry Rogers Dailey collar video. We didn't talk about that yet.

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I have different Internet habits than you. I think I know what I'm going

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to send you on Christmas Day.
It'll be a link. It'll be a

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link to like an E card,
and when you click on, it'll just

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be a wonderful Christmas present, a
sweaty Christmas present. But Sarah, the

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legal implications of Hunter Biden spending the
next year in the public eye defending himself.

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That is different than the fact that
there's tension between his dad being in

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an election year with bad poll numbers
and him needing to actually beat these cases

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right right, And I mean in
the strict legal sense for him to go

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out and sort of play up his
personal battles with addiction and claim that he

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wasn't in control of his actions,
and they're going after me to try to

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exploit mistakes I made. Doesn't really
fit with a fact based defense that would

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require him to go to court and
say, no, your honor, these

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were business expenses I was doing business
in twenty eighteen, because they can't be

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both right, and so that's a
really business on coke, but not crack

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bisness. You can do business business
on crack in a lot of ways.

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They kind of have him dead to
rights on this. I mean, he

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wrote about specific trips in specific months, on specific years that drugs, and

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his memoir Side of the Hotels wrote
about exactly what he was doing there and

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then later tried to claim those of
business expenses. So those two things are

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really at odds with each other.
And I think Hunter Biden's got some new

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people around him advising him that being
more aggressive might help him in the court

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of public opinion, and that sort
of tends to bleed into the courts of

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law in some ways. That doesn't
necessarily help Joe Biden, I mean Hunter

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Biden. Whenever Hunter Biden is in
the news or front and center and people

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are talking about this. It's not
a good thing for Joe Biden. And

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so you know, Hunter Biden's own
interests are also kind of at odds with

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Joe Biden's political interests right now.
I mean, you guys both cover campaigns,

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and I guess I'm curious just on
the political level and if we stay

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purely on the public relations level,
because the cases are so tangled and interesting,

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but just politically, I do think
the public is tuned out to a

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lot of these details, just because
there's so many of them, and they've

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never talked about on Good Morning America. They never really talked about any morning

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shows a lot of people get their
news from except for Fox and Friends,

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right and I talked about and the
local news. You have to basically search

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for it to find it. But
I do think that there has been a

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quieting of the look, how corrupt
the Trump family, the Trump kids are

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so like just politically talking about it. Well, but that's why I think

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the Hunter Biden defense, I'm surprised
that they didn't embrace it earlier, because

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again, if your top line is
Hunter Biden on the steps of the Capitol

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defending his addiction, and that's what
the media is obviously going to run with

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way more that they're going to than
they're going to run thing. Yeah,

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they're not supposed to go after the
president's children, Yeah, when they're suffering.

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So again, that's why when you
have the sort of such a tangled

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and broad scope and all of these
legal details going on with Hunter Biden and

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the racket, that is a Department
of Justice completely like Soprano style level corruption

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broader than that. I don't know, I don't think it actually hurts prwise

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to have Hunter Biden out there.
You know, I think that the polling

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shows that people aren't buying what he's
selling on The polling does show that people

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think he ought to be convicted of
crimes that people think. Most people believe

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that Joe Biden had some level involvement
in this. The problem is that Joe

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Biden made such definitive denials during the
twenty twenty race. Right if he had

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said then what he's saying now,
he be insulated from a lot of this

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because technically he wasn't in business like
he did. His name wasn't on the

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masthead of the Hunter Biden business website, you know, he didn't have business

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cards like that. Denial covers a
lot of the stuff that we've had Keys

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to the office. Well, that's
yeah, he did. He did,

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but beautiful and made such definitive denials
in twenty twenty that it's very clear he

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lied to the American people. And
because of that, all the explanations that

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are coming out now the Democrats really
want to buy is that what they started

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with? Right? The goalposts have
moved so far from my number once discussed

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business, didn't even talk about it, didn't even know he had a business,

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all right, So what is the
worst case scenario for Hunter Biden legally

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in twenty twenty four, assuming the
tax trial gets underway in twenty twenty four,

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I mean, I think he's he's
legally vulnerable to a conviction at this

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point. The evidence is very very
strong, and it's pretty clear from everything

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we've or if it wasn't very very
strong, if they didn't essentially have him

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dead to rights, they would never
have brought it. They were essentially at

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times looking for ways not to bring
it. But the evidence was too strong,

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and that can happen within the next
year, and then what is the

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what could he be facing like how
he could be facing him seventeen years in

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prison if he's convicted on all of
the tax charges, and technically I think

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something like twenty five years in prison
in Delaware, but sentencing guidelines, I

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mean he's probably looking at a lot
less than that and possibly no jail time.

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But the tax charges are a lot
more serious, and specifically the lying

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to the irs charges related to the
twenty eighteen situation. And I think that

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he's also in a bit of trouble
here because Weiss was willing to avoid a

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trial and play ball with the plea
deal in Delaware, and I sort of

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expected to see another plea deal in
California, maybe a more serious one,

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maybe one that included him even spending
a couple of months behind bars. But

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we didn't see any offer of that. We saw an indictment, which signals

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that David Weiss seems like he's interested
in taking this to trial and proving the

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strength of his case rather than getting
criticized for another plea deal. And that

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was an option that was on the
table. There could have been a plea

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deal, but there wasn't one,
and that means I think that the Justice

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Department, or at least David Weiss, isn't necessarily interested in shielding Hunter Biden

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anymore. What he's shielding is the
Justice Department's reputation because I do think he's

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a career minded prospect. I don't
think he's a Republican or conservative like the

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way that Hunter Ridings attorneys are trying
to make him out to be. I

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also don't think that he's this like
liberal cover up artist, that he's a

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company man and all of a sudden, protecting the DOJ looks like bringing the

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case forward. Yeah, I think
that theory is actually clarified a lot of

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things for me, and it will
be helpful to carry into the new year.

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Also because the Biden's if you're a
Delaware man, right now, the

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Biden name has been sullied so much
that they you'll recognize that in the next

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couple of decades next the immediate post
presidency for the Biden. If Joe Biden

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has a post residency, I don't
mean to sound morbid. They can't do

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much for you. I mean their
reputation has been pretty sully. Yeah,

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and it's not like Joe Biden's going
to leave office like Bill Clinton left office,

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right. Yeah, A young person
relatively with a wife, with the

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political future. Yeah, Doc don't
count out doctor Jill the next surge.

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In general, it's my favorite.
It's my favorite. Whoope Goldberg quote would

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be an easy swap actually, speaking
of Well, okay, so guys,

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you need to indulge me in this
hypothetical. You are, let's say,

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Chris is Hunter Biden, Sarah you're
married to him. Next year's looking bleak.

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I think a lot of us are
looking ahead at twenty twenty four,

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twenty twenty five and feeling down about
the country. How are you going to

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celebrate Christmas and New Year's? How
are you going to decorate? How are

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you going to cook? How are
you going to approach the trappings Hunter?

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Yeah, if you are Hunter Biden
and Sarah is married to you, I'm

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Melissa Cohen in this. Yeah,
you're Melissa Cohen, and you have to

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you It is your job. And
Chris, it's your job too, to

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have a happy Christmas, to make
Mary be festive, and to lift your

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spirits going in Oh good quese.
No, obviously, where would our children

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go in this scenario? Well,
see this is a look after that.

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Well, no, this is a
great question. So I approached the hypothetical

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to say children because what we wanted
to talk about was we got Sarah.

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Sarah came in and made everything serious
and forced us so sorry, I'm a

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very boring serious person. It was
just like very very serious journalists. We

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have other things to talk about,
Sarah. We wanted to talk about cocktails.

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We'll get We'll get to that in
the air of grievances. Okay,

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well, yeah there. What is
the best way to incorporate cocaine in a

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holiday meal? Oh you're the baker
Chriss experience with that, so I would

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really know gingerbread house. Yeah,
like cookies, Yeah, just dust.

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I like dusting. But you guys
are both very good at actually being that.

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A partially hypothetical part of what we
want to talk about was how you

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celebrate Christmas in the Bedford housholds.
You guys do a good job. How

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are you approaching Christmas in New Year's
in terms of cooking, decorating, and

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all of them. We've I think
worked out a happy medium where I get

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to be in charge of sides and
he gets to be in charge of meats,

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and I take my side game very
seriously. So I've been planning my

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Christmas Pinterest since July, so I'm
all over this. It wasn't until I

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married Sarah that I had ever seen
Halloween themed appetizers like spooky hot dogs.

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How did you never seen that before. I didn't grow up in the Midwest.

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She didn't grow up in the Midwest. It seems normal to you there.

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I grew up in a place with
like old names and old traditions and

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spooky ghosts. Yeah, I would
describe our Christmas VI was like pin interest

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meets old folks home and how we're
celebrating Christmas. Someone taught your grandmother to

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use a laptop. That's thee She
thinks. Colonial carollers are kind of creepy.

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Creepy. I think they're right.
Yeah. In fact, I was

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just in Massachusetts at a wedding and
they incorporated colonial carollers in the middle right

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in Boston Port. That's part of
the god rest you married, gentlemen.

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But Sarah's gonna be a lot of
freedom on the meat. I'm really excited

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to see what soup she's making this
year. She does great appetizers, great

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size. The only hard part,
because I've given up a lot of controlling

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different things. The only hard part
this year is we're doing a steakhouse night,

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a few nights before. Actually not, that's oh, that's actually not

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accurate. Stumble those to something uncomfort
making a steak and I will be making

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the sides of my choosing that don't
necessarily conform to a menu. Add an

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old person, steakhouse would look like
cream spinach. She's like stakhouse mushrooms.

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And no, we're going to end
up with like Santa Claus themed characters on

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that Claus carrots just make Halloween appetisers
for the take out. That's all right,

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keep complaining, all right, you
two crazy kids. Thanks so much

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for joining us. Sarah Bedford,
investigations editor over at the Washington Examiner,

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and Christopher Bedford, executive editor of
the Common Sense Society. We appreciate it.

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Thanks for having me. Great to
be here. Of course you've been

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listening to another edition of The Federalist
or a radio hour. Emily Kashinsky,

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culture editor here at The Federalist.
We'll be back soon with more. Until

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then, be lovers of freedom,
anxious for the frame