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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Hello,
it is I Alejandro, and unfortunately I

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am all by my lonesome today,
so Jason is not going to be able

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to make it. However, we
have a great show still because this is

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our Phoenix Lights special. We have
Lin Katai will be joining us, who

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created the best Phoenix Lights documentary you
will ever see. She has a list,

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just a ton of witness is talking
about all the events that had happened.

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She herself had experienced the lights and
in fact had filmed similar lights on

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several different occasions, so we'll talk
about that. That's really exciting. She

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also spoke at the UFO Congress recently, and then just yesterday she showed her

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documentary as she does every year since
she's created her documentary at the Shay Harkins

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Theater here in the Phoenix area,
which always draws a big crowd, and

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that was a lot of fun to
see everybody and to you know, she

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sells out the theater and we get
to watch this stuff, and usually a

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lot of the witnesses and other people
involved with the filming are there, and

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so it was a lot of fun. So we'll be talking with her in

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a little bit as this is as
tomorrow will be the fifteenth anniversary of one

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of the best documentary, the largest
mass UFO sightings ever in history, so

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it was a significant event and we'll
talk to her more about that. However,

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as usual, of course, we
want to talk about the news.

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Of course I'm more familiar. We'll
talk about a couple news stories out there

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on UFO Daily News. A couple
of things I've written about recently are some

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of the strange lights filmed over and
near Phoenix. So in fact, there

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was some blue blinking lights filmed here
about a week or so ago. This

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was in the Cave Creek area,
So if you're familiar with Phoenix at all,

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this is an area that is north
of Phoenix. It's kind of been

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the very outskirts of suburbia and there
are some blue lights filmed. This made

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a lot of news. Jim Mann
from the local move On group was interview

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dude, and he said he got
calls from media all over the world or

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at least all over the country asking
him about these lights. So it made

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lots of news. He has discovered
that the lights were LEDs on a kite

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and you can kind of see that
on there. But they did make a

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big stir and the media covered it
pretty well. You know, they said,

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hey, we don't know what this
is. What do you think,

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Jim, And at the time,
you know, Jim wasn't sure. He

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just said, you know, we're
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we shall see. However, more
mysterious was a few days later in the

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Phoenix area when a strange light was
filmed by a local news organization, the

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local Fox News. So what happened
here, and this is kind of crazy,

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is in the early morning last Thursday, about nearly five o'clock in the

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morning, they were doing their usual
traffic talk, you know, and they

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put up the traffic cam behind the
reporter as she's talking about the traffic and

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they're showing the highway and in the
background you see this big flash of light

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from the ground, like this big
explosion of light. And they have not

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been able to determine what that is. They contacted the local power companies.

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The power company said no, there
was no transformer that exploded or anything.

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We don't know what this was,
and so it still remains a mystery.

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They said they didn't get calls of
you know, people telling them what it

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was, and they were hoping,
you know, later on that day they

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reshowed it and said, you know, what do you guys think this is?

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Did anybody see this? We're looking
for information, but they have yet

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to receive information on what that flash
of light was. Very strange, and

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of course all of this kind of
gets amplified as it is the anniversary of

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the Phoenix Lights and all of these
local news organizations. Of course, I

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had a lot to do with the
Phoenix Lights. They were receiving all of

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these phone calls. They were running
out signed to see the lights. Some

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of these people did. If you
saw the interview I did with the Congress

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recently with one of the local stations, you know, they were talking about

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how they got a bunch of calls
and everything when the Phoenix Lights happened.

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That was with the local CBS affiliate. Paul Horton was a guy interviewing me,

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and he said, yeah, you
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and all these calls came in and
I think these reporters take this step

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fairly seriously because it was a important
event. A lot of people, a

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lot of serious people had seen the
Phoenix lights. And now even the governor

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at the time says, hey,
I saw those lights and I don't know

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what the heck that was. And
I even think it's extra treastrall I being

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Vice Simington who was governor at the
time, So very strange stuff. Another

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story is from Openminds dot TV where
Antonio Jhuneus, you know, the guy

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who we've had on the show.
This guy's all right, you know,

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he's very knowledgeable UFO fella. We've
had him on the show several times because

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of course he's with Open Minds,
and he we've talked about the general who

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came to the Congress from Chile and
how he runs a UFO research organization that

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is backed by their government. In
fact, it's an arm of the FAA,

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the Chilean FAA. So he came
and he talked and we talked.

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We've been talking about this because we
were all excited. But Antonio wrote a

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pretty long story called UFO Disclosure Chilean
style on his whole talk and how he

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got involved in the different things that
he said on the talk, so you

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could see that at open Minds TV. There's a little bit of a video

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clip that shows some of what the
general was talking about. Really, it

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goes more over the audio files from
pilots who had seen UFOs, and then

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there's some other pictures of an amazing
video case. So I kind of picked

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this up. I wrote up on
my UFO Daily News, but I also

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just posted a Huffington Post blog on
this to try to get the word out

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there, and the Whopington Post blog
luckily looks like it's doing pretty well,

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which it should because it's this big
news. Now. I focused on this

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video and this is pretty cool because
the general showed and I think we talked

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about it a little bit last week, but I'll review it again real quick.

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Here for you, which was a
video that was taken at a military

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parade, And this parade was in
November of twenty ten, and they have

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a parade when the head of the
military you know, is leaving and new

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guy is taking over. So at
this parade, they have lots of jets

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flying around and they have kind of
an air show going on, and there

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are a lot of important people there, the President, the head of the

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military, you know, the whole
cabinet, all the important people are there

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for this big celebration. Well,
nothing really happened during nobody noticed anything during

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the celebration. But afterwards, the
CEPHA, the group that does the UFO

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investigations, started getting some videos,
and in total they got seven videos from

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all different witnesses who said, hey, we caught something strange in our videos.

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When you look at the videos,
you don't see much. You see

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these things flashing by and maybe you've
seen this when you're filming and a bug

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flies by the screen, so you
know, they thought at first, I

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think a lot of people probably assume
they were bugs, but CEFA slowed them

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down and what they got are is
this little round, silver domed objects.

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So it's more almost gum drop like
really weird. So we don't have the

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video up. He showed the video
at the Congress and you can see that

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if you get the DVD. But
the video isn't really you don't see much.

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Like I said, there's just a
flash. What's more shocking, or

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at least more important, is the
actual photos. So we have posted those

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photos and you can see the steals
of the photos and the close ups and

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what read about the investigation that Cepha
did. And behind the stage, you

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know, the General told me he
was very excited to show me the video,

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and I was very excited to see
it, of course. So backstage

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when we're getting ready for his talk
to make sure that all of his av

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works, he was telling me that
he was a skeptic about UFOs himself until

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he saw these videos, and these
videos are what convinced him that there's something

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real, that there's something anomalous and
it's a real mystery and something's flying around

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there, and that he thinks it's
very important that we continue to investigate this

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subject. And of course we open
minds and at UFO Daily News vigorously agree

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with him, so very it's a
great case you'll have to check out.

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There's also links to the CFI site. If you speak Spanish then you'll be

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able to read all of their investigations. If you don't, you know,

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luckily you can, you know,
use a Google Translate and it'll translate the

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site for you. But there are
a lot of really interesting cases that they've

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looked into, you know, lots
of them are pilots. Of course,

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being a branch of the FA who
are reporting things, in some cases things

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that are near misses that fly at
them or or fly near them. But

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pilots who are seeing, you know, UFOs flying around, surprise, surprise.

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So it's wonderful you know that there's
a country out there. There's not

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many that are out there that are
doing real UFO investigation and have a transparency

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to those investigations. So we're very
privileged to have the General Ricardo Bermudez at

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the conference, and now you can
get a glimpse into more of what he

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talked about by reading our stories.
Get the word out there, because it's

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so important that you know, there
are these governmental organizations who are investigating.

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They're spending a lot of money,
they're having their astronomers and other scientific organizations

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come over this information to see,
you know, try to figure out what

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it is. And you know,
it's great because they are finding out that

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this is credible, that there are
things out there flying around that we cannot

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explain, and of course that's what
we all feel is really important and that

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needs further investigation. So those are
a few of the stories that happened last

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week. A few more that you'll
be able to find on Openminds dot tv

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will be you'll be able to see
the highlights of the EB Film Festival also,

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so that's kind of cool because of
course you're going to be able to

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see who the winners were and then
check out the films that did win because

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they're really good. Obviously they won
because people really like them. There's one

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on the Legends of the Flatwoods Monsters. There's one on the UMO Files if

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you're familiar with that, one in
General Craft of Unknown general or unknown origin,

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that was a winner. Some great
graphics and it was done by a

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three D animation guy, really cool
graphics. There was also The Truth Is

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Out There, which is a documentary
that was put together by Dean Hagland,

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or at least he stars in it. And Dean Hagland was one of the

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guys on the X Files. We've
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he talked about all the behind the
scenes on the X Files. He was

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one of the lone gunmen, the
guy with the long bond hair and who

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believed and who didn't believe in UFOs. Interesting enough, you know, there

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were a lot of people, especially
Chris Carter. He liked to call this

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not fiction but reality because he believed, you know that a lot of the

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X file stuff was real. One
called the Montauk Chronicles, and then the

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winner was actually it could happen tomorrow
Disclosure Dialogues, and these are a lot

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of interviews between UFO researchers. So
what they did with these disclosure dialogues is

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they had a lot of researchers,
many of which, if not all of

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which we've had on the radio show, but kind of cool where they kind

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of interview each other and have discussions
with each other, and there's hours and

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hours and hours of these. So
they just submitted one volume which was about

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two hours long, but they have
something like ten hours of these videos.

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So if you go to the Open
Minds page, it's right now, it's

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on the front page where you'll be
able to get to link the twenty twelve

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ebe UFO Film Festival winners, and
there you'll be able to read about these

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and also they'll be links to where
you can purchase these DVDs because a lot

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of times people will go to the
festival or to the Congress and they'll watch

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these movies and then they want to
know, hey, you know, where

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can I buy these, So that's
why we put up the links as soon

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as possible so you can go figure
that out. So there you go.

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There's some of the news. Actually, I think probably that was the big

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news. I don't think I'm missing
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think these stories I talked about were
the biggest ones. Funny enough, mostly

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being in Phoenix. I guess one
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up there, which you probably can
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alignment and at the same time right
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at least here where I am,
you know, there's Mars, Jupiter,

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and Venus in the sky all at
the same time. So that's really cool.

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That's something to check out, and
that's kind of fun. But anyway,

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we'll be we'll have Jason back next
week where we'll talk a lot more

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about news. However, I want
to go ahead and get right into our

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interview. And lucky for you all, we're actually calling link it Tai.

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And why are you lucky? Because
what that means is that you always get

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some dialing music. Do do doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo there's no

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place like home. My home,
of course, is right now the Phoenix

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area where they're the Phoenix Lights.
So a lot of uh doo doo doo

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doo, there's no look. Hello, it's Alejandro and you'r Hony. How

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are you good? How are you? I am terrific. I'm still flying

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high from yesterday. Yeah, that
was a lot of fun. And I'm

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sure you're busy, busy, and
I believe you were on Coast to coast

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last night, right, I was
in the midst of everything. They were

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curious about the mysterious light, which
we can talk about today if you want.

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Yeah, oh right, that that
mysterious splash of light. In fact,

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before you came on the air,
I was talking a little bit about

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that and how they still haven't figured
out what that was. No. Actually,

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it's it's interesting because I was doing
the morning show, the Fox TV

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Morning Show on Saturday morning and they
asked me and I said, well,

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what have you found out? And
they they actually, right then, we

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called SRP and the other utilities as
well as look Air for space and they

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said that they had nothing to do
with it. I mean, there was

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just absolutely no answer. Right now, it's still a mystery. And what's

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really interesting, yesterday we had Navajo
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was describing that just recently in January
January twenty first, it was a Saturday

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evening, a mother and daughter were
driving in the Navajo Nation and saw what

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they described as a string like a
pearl necklace of lights across which suddenly in

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large did you hear them talk him
talking about that, yes, yes,

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enlarge, three stories and they were
like flashing lights in what seemed to be

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windows. And actually the daughter tried
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her camera, which was fully her
battery was full, actually went dead and

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she couldn't take a picture of it. And suddenly there was a big flash

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and she saw that They both saw
that there was a black domed craft hovering

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there for a few minutes and then
it disappeared. So you know, that

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just happened recently on the Navel Nation, which is interesting. And also I

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was speaking to Steve Blonder today.
You know there's four of us that captured

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video around ten o'clock two videos or
before ten o'clock. My video of the

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three points of light, which are
the end points of a giant vay or

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triangle, and Steve Blonder actually was
seeing them as I was for days before,

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these orbs in different formations. And
he actually saw on March tenth a

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flash of light just like this new
flash of light, and he was describing

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that to me today. And he
actually called mouf on up to his roof

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on the night of March thirteenth,
and a group was standing there, Bill

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Hamilton and Tom King and a couple
other people when they happened to see this

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massive formation of lights and it actually
his video looks like an arrowhead. It's

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really unusual. And when you look
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Those lights seemed to be attached to
something or there's a force field holding

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them rock solid. And you would
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on March thirteenth, for anybody that
doesn't not familiar with what happened here fifteen

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years ago. Tomorrow, while thousands
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for a glimpse of the Helpbob Comet, they also caught a glimpse of a

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mile to two mile wide formation,
the formation of these orbs, these bulls

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of light that seemed to be attached
to something many people would described that or

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craft. Actually, there were many
events happening for many, many hours.

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We have reports as early as three
pm in the afternoon daylight sighting of these

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objects to five point thirty. It
was seen in New Mexico by Native Americans

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seven point fifteen in California eleven thirty
by an aircraft. A crew, a

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commercial crew and one hundred and forty
passengers saw this mile wide formation of lights

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v formation over Las Vegas, covering
all of Las Vegas. And that's a

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very interesting story. In fact,
I tell more of it in my book,

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which was really interesting. You might
find this amusing because they didn't know

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what it was. I mean,
they see this thing hovering over Las Vegas,

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and they were alarmed, and they
called the radar, the closest radar

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station to report it. And suddenly
another airlines pilot call in and he was

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all frantic because it was real close
to him. And suddenly there was a

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strange voice on the intercom saying,
you tell me exactly what you're seeing right

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now, and just very authoritative and
freaked them out a little bit, and

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they backed off and said, you
know, we don't see it anymore.

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We must be mistaken. They were
a little bit trazen by this new voice

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that came on the intercom, and
they continued towards California from Phoenix, by

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the way, and as they were
about a half hour outside of California,

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suddenly they see this big ball of
light like about a mile away, and

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they looked at it and realized that
it was a flare. And suddenly,

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on the opposite side of the of
their craft, there just with afterburners on,

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was a military jet coming very close
to them. In fact, one

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of the pilots said that, you
know, they jumped out of their seat,

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it was that close. They could
not believe that they came that close,

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and in their estimate, they felt
that somebody was warning them not to

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say anything. I mean, they
were really freaked by that. And when

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they landed, they called their spouses
and said, don't open the door,

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don't answer the phone, just you
know, I'll talk to you later about

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what has happened. I mean,
they were really freaked by that. Very

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telling in and of itself. And
then we have the report at three am

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in the afternoon from an alleged crewman
trum Luke Air Force Base, who we

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all recorded very detailed. We have
had a documentary yesterday part of it,

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and it's also in the book of
this crewman who called Peter Davenport at the

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National UFO Reporting Center and reported that
a mile wide object was hovering over Seventh

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Avenue and Indian School right in the
middle of Phoenix, right in central Phoenix

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about eight twenty eight thirty in the
evening, and military jets were sent out

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to intercept or get gun, camera, film, whatever, And as they

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got close about a mile away,
the instrumentation in their cockpit went haywire,

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and as they got closer, the
object just blinked out and disappeared. And

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this crewman said that he actually helped
one of the pilots out of his own

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aircraft because he was so shaken up
by it. So there were many things

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happening. And I also had a
report by the way from a Boeing crewman

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who was coming into work at five
point thirty the next morning and this object,

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one of the objects, was hovering
right over their tarmac. So there

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were many, many things happening for
many hours throughout the entire state. It

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wasn't just Phoenix. Yeah, it's
interesting. I mean, there were so

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many people that had witnessed these lights, that this story doesn't go away.

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I mean, it doesn't seem as
though the buzz around the Phoenix Sights has

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really died down much. Especially it's
kind of been really neat to see at

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least the local media picking this up. And it's not like they really have

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to tell a lot of backstory because
people know what the Phoenix Lights are here

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in Phoenix, and the media has
been very positive this last week covering this

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anniversary. They've been amazing, they
really have. I applaud them. They've

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really stepped up to the plate.
And I have to say it's personally been

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cultivating that through the years because when
I came forward Alejandro in two thousand and

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four, and I stayed anonymous for
seven years looking for a logical explanation for

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what I had witnessed and photographs up
close and personal two years before the mass

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sighting, and I have pictures that
today cannot be explained or denied, and

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they're really pretty spectacular of these orbs
that were close to our home and the

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same exact object. If you look
at those pictures on our website, the

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Phoenix Lights dot Net, you have
a link on your page to that and

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go to the photo page. You'll
see that the same exact phenomena is in

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the background in the same exact location
as would also have and I would also

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capture pictures. Two months before the
mass sighting, I actually caught this phenomenon,

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this mild wide formation of lights equidistant
from each other head on turning into

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a V shape, and it was
so unnerving. I got six pictures in

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a row of it. And actually
the second picture is pretty dramatic because if

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you look at it, it's five
lights and the center one is the brightest,

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and it looks like there was two
underneath it. Well. On March

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thirteenth, two months later, thousands
of people would describe seeing either a craft

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or these lights that seemed to be
attached to something. Five lights in a

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V formation with two trailings, and
my second picture two months before is exactly

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of that. But at any rate, it was so unnerving this sighting two

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months before the mass sighting that I
called around found air traffic controllers the next

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morning at Sky Harbor International Airport who
saw the same thing at the same time.

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In fact, they were a bit
alarmed because it was about one thousand

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feet altitude and class be restricted airspace. There was about a thirty mile radius

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around the center of the airport.
Or anyone that comes into that airspace,

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particularly a thousand feet altitude, must
call into the tower, and no one

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did. So they looked on their
radar, did not show up on radar,

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picked up their binoculars to look,
and they described them as six points

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of light totally equidistant from each other, massive span that turned against the wind.

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And I happened to catch pictures exactly
at that time, and one of

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them was a meteorologist, so he
really was very verse and all this,

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and after it turned, they said
that it moved as a unit right upwards

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and then over South Mountain. And
when I said, so, what was

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it? There was silence, and
then finally one of them said it's me.

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I said, you're an air traffic
control you're supposed to those It was

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in our airspace and you didn't know
what it was. And it absolutely was

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not flares. It wasn't any anything
known to them, and they're skywatchers,

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and we kept in contact. You'd
photographing these things up into an including March

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thirteenth, and going back to the
video, I actually saw one light appear

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about eight twenty or so, and
that's when the first official call. And

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you have to understand, I mean, as I mentioned earlier, this is

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happening for many hours, but most
people were outside after it got dark about

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eight o'clock or so, and we're
looking up at the sky at the Hilpop

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comet or out and about doing whatever
they were doing. And so that's when

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the bulk of people were outside between
eight and ten, so the bulk of

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the calls obviously or at that point. But about eight twenty I see one

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loan light far north and that that
was the first call, the first official

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call from a police officer officer,
a retired police officer in pauled In,

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Arizona, up north, and then
as it traveled down. In fact,

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we have a nine to one to
one police operator. She was wonderful in

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the documentary. Who came up to
me a couple of years ago after her

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presentation, is that I I heard
that the police said that they only got

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a few calls on March thirteenth,
nineteen ninety seven. I said, well,

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that's what they said, and I
said, and she says to me,

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well, I just retired and I
was on that night as a police

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Phoenix Police operator and I won one
operator, and if you want to know

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the true story, I'm ready to
tell it. And I say, you

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kidding me. Meanwhile, she's fabulous. She's in the documentary and she one

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of the objects that came straight through
Phoenix. I mean she was getting calls

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as it was coming down and going
from north to south, and it's so

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intriguing to hear her tell how the
people were just so in awe and so

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excited and you know, wanted to
know what was going on. But there

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was no historia, no, no
one was frightened. In fact, that

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that in itself was very telling because
in fifteen years there has not been one,

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not one report of harm, threat
or abduction with the Phoenix Lights.

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That we might get back to that
if we have time. But quite the

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contrary, as we talked about yesterday, people were just very touched, I

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mean deeply touched, and as you
just mentioned, till today, and not

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only that, the media has really
come on board as well and taking this

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very seriously. But anyway, about
a little after nine o'clock, I saw

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one loan light for our south,
which computes because that's when people were seeing

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these objects down south and then right
before ten o'clock, about ten to ten,

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when they do the ads for the
upcoming news, suddenly I see the

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six flights pop up again, just
like two months before. My husband does

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too. He just grabbed the camera
and I grabbed. I got up.

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We were already in bed, and
I got because we lived pretty high on

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a mountain in Paris Valley and have
a panoramic view of the city skyline,

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so we know what planes and helicopters
and streetlights and car lights and even flares

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occasionally look like very different from the
unknowns. And when these popped up,

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I just jumped to attention and grab
my camera. After I got my robe

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on and it wouldn't focus, and
I finally get it out there and the

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six had turned to three. And
that's the video that I got. And

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about the same time is when Steve
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About fifteen twenty minutes later, about
ten after ten or so is when

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the two boomerang videos were captured,
and one of them I have to admit

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I have never used in any production
because it does look a little haphazard,

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which happens with flares. I mean, flares have a special kind of characteristic.

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I mean, they cannot keep exformation, They drift and drop with the

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wind haphazardly and in minutes, and
they have huge smoke trails that are illuminated

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by the flare itself. And not
one person, I have to tell you,

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are not one person till today,
and I'm pretty intimately involved with the

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investigation, has described any of that. If anything, it's quite the contrary.

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And the other boo the other boomerang
is really impressive, I have to

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tell you. I mean, even
though it's been under fire for being flares,

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I mean, just look at it. I mean, those lights are

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so lock solid and equidistant from each
other. But you know, people can

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decide for themselves from the data.
But that's the only explanation, by the

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way, that ever came forward was
that the Phoenix slights were flares. And

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when I came forward in two thousand
and four, it was very frustrating because

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those of us who saw the real
deal knew that the Phoenix lights were not

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flares inside, and that's what the
people in the public don't realize. I

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mean, I've seen the flares and
they are very impressive now that I live

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out Maracopa, because they do it
so often. But what people don't realize

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is people saw this going over their
head and they saw these reports came from

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Needles all the way up north,
all the way down to Tucson. It

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was tracked and then like that was
great, the nine to one to one

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women. You have it in your
documentary because she talks about, you know,

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all parts of town and these things
going over their heads. I mean,

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these descriptions are certainly not flairs flares. They don't drop them, you

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know, north of town and they
float, you know, all the way.

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Oh well, that's the point.
You make such a great point.

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I mean here, you know,
first of all, there was no investigation,

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no explanation at all for months,
and when you look how the puzzle

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pieces fit together, it is so
clear that they had to come up with

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something because until the USA Today article
came out on June eighteenth, nineteen ninety

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seven, there was not a peep. In fact, Councilwoman Francis Barwood,

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who spoke yesterday she was wonderful,
was the only elected official who spoke up

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innocently, and she didn't see it, but her constituents called her and asked

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her, why isn't their investigation as
you said, it went over people's heads.

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I mean people very low altitude.
Some people said it was rooftop altitude,

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00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.839
and they were looking up in these
giant wells of swimming gassest light.

409
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.599
I mean, it was just extraordinary
what they were seeing out of this world

410
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.160
type thing, and yet there was
no investigation. And she innocently asked them,

411
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.319
may in may you know if they
could look into it, and she

412
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.720
was playastered to the wall. I
was so glad. I stayed anonymous actually

413
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.119
for seven years, but at that
point, when I saw what was happening

414
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.519
to other people who came forward,
it wasn't pretty. And then the USA

415
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.599
Today article came out June eighteenth,
And this is really significant because when you

416
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.279
look at the data and you see
how the timing of this. The very

417
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:31.400
next day and just as this burst
of light went viral overnight, the same

418
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:36.480
thing happened when the USA Today article
came out, I'm talking overnight. It

419
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:42.079
was unbelievable worldwide. We were deluged
by media from all over the world.

420
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.839
And when they started talking to the
witnesses, as you just said, their

421
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.359
descriptions were so detailed and so heartfelt. That day two were saying why isn't

422
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.079
there an investigation? Why isn't there
an explanation? And that very next day,

423
00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.880
late morning, there was an announcement
by the former governor Simon that he

424
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.599
was calling a press conference in the
afternoon, an unscheduled press conference to reveal

425
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.280
the culprit of the Phoenix lights.
All of a sudden they found the culprit

426
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:13.199
okay, the day after the USA
the racle without a peep before then,

427
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.719
and he comes marching out one of
his aids with a giant alien head off.

428
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.840
Anybody who seeing that on TV,
I have to tell you it offended

429
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.320
a lot of people, especially Aarons
who were with kids that you know,

430
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:30.639
I mean, they couldn't believe that
he made a joke out of it when

431
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.760
they were taking it very seriously.
And you know, that's it was what

432
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.599
it was. And about a month
later I get a call and I had

433
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:44.599
checked around, really tried to do
my homework or not only took my thirty

434
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:50.519
five millimeter pictures to great lengths to
find a logical explanation. At the University

435
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.440
of Arizona Optical Science Department and Conscience
of Study Department, and ASU Geology,

436
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.519
Anthropology, Mathematics, and astronomy departments
as well as they were now Brooke Institute

437
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.880
of Photography and Navy optical physicist doctor
Bruce mcabean across the board. Nobody could

438
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.519
give me an answer to what these
were. They could tell me what they

439
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.320
were, but they couldn't tell me
what they were. And in the meantime,

440
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.039
you know here, I called every
military base too, and they were

441
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:21.280
more interested in seeing my data than
giving an explanation for it. They didn't

442
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.960
know either. I have some of
their conversations in my books. It's quite

443
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.599
comical. I mean, they were
just curious as everybody else. And suddenly

444
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.119
I get a call about a month
after the USA Today article, actually July

445
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.440
twenty fourth, from one of the
heads of pr at the Air National Guard

446
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:38.480
and she says, oh, doctor
Lynn, I think we know what those

447
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.880
lights were back in March. And
I said you do, And I was

448
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.320
looking for any logical explanation and she
says, oh, do you believe that

449
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.719
nobody ever looked at the log for
visiting Air National Guard? And the Maryland

450
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.159
Air National Guard was in town sending
off flares and Operation Snowbird, which I

451
00:35:54.280 --> 00:36:00.920
came to learn means diversionary tactical maneuvers
in military terms, so I actually wouldn't

452
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.960
be surprised if they were sending off
flares to divert people attention away from the

453
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.119
unknowns. But again, there's not
one person that has told me characteristics of

454
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.920
flares. But anyway, I said
to her, when we're the Marilnair and

455
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:19.119
Ashibar in town, she says,
March first to the fifteenth, I said,

456
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.079
with a in town in January,
she says, oh no, I

457
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.360
said, are you sure she's absolutely
they were not here. I said,

458
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:29.360
well, I have thirty five millimeters
pictures of the same exact phenomena in the

459
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.920
same exact location, confirmed the next
morning by air traffic controllers as hovering over

460
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.880
class BE restricted airspace one thousand feet
altitude. She says, Univer told me

461
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.239
that, and then I said,
I'm besides that you're trying to say that

462
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.239
it's flares. And by then I
had educated myself to what flares do,

463
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.039
especially military illumination flares. It flares
that cannot keep reformation, that drift and

464
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.800
drop haphazardly with the wind in minutes, have huge smoke trails illuminated by the

465
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.400
flare, and the flare illuminates the
area around it, not this square by

466
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.199
one person actually traverse the entire state
for many hours in a rock solid,

467
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.079
equidistant V formation mile wide. She
said, I have a call coming in.

468
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.320
I'll get back to you. Well, I'm still waiting s fifteen years

469
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.920
tomorrow. Now, I want to
get into a couple of things that you've

470
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.639
talked about, some cool stuff,
including Francis Barwood. You talked about her

471
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.039
for a minute, how she was
a city councilwoman and she was approached in

472
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.519
May by the media about the Phoenix
Light several months after it was done,

473
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.079
and she didn't know much and she
went into to investigate that. If you

474
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.559
could talk a little bit about that, And I thought it was interesting what

475
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:44.360
you shared yesterday, how it was
kind of her effort that helped to get

476
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:50.800
you kind of moving towards talking about
your experiences yourself. Well, yeah,

477
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.440
I mean I had to tell you. I mean, she was so brave

478
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.880
to you know, and I don't
think she knew what she was getting herself

479
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:02.599
into initially, but certainly once this
is out of the bag, and she

480
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.679
really was ridiculed, I mean,
with jokes made in the paper and all

481
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.280
this, and I felt really bad
for her. I mean here, I

482
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.079
had data that I kept private for
you know, a bunch of it I

483
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.599
let out and the only person that
I had met, actual people that I

484
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.320
had met, was Jim Delatoso and
Michael Tanner and Village Laves and asked them

485
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.360
to please keep my anonymity while we're
researching this. I mean, I wanted

486
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:29.639
to make sure what I had wasn't
a hoax or military or whatever. But

487
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.519
I wanted to do my homework and
they were so kind of For seven years

488
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:39.199
they kept my identity or the identity
of what they called doctor X, private,

489
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.559
and Doctor X was the person that
let out the video and pictures and

490
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:45.599
so forth, which I was happy
to do. It wasn't about me,

491
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.920
It was about the data. People
could see what we saw. I was

492
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.719
very happy to share it, and
I wanted to share it with her too,

493
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.320
And I gave her a call and
I said, I just wanted you

494
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.880
to know that you know, we're
analyzing data here that's very real and cannot

495
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.119
be explained, and I just want
you to know that you know I'm behind

496
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.360
you all the way, and that
you know we really need to meet,

497
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.039
which we did, and actually I
had I had also documented I'm telling you

498
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.159
when I found out that a thousand
people, a thousand, thousands of people

499
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.960
I had seen what I had seen
on March thirteenth and was documenting for the

500
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:29.880
two year period. And then a
week later and I had given my my

501
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.039
video already to an investigator, I
walked in. I mean, it's very,

502
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.280
very a lot of serendipitous things if
you want to hear them. I

503
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.079
mentioned yesterday, six months before the
mass sighting, which was very a very

504
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.440
interesting aside. I was invited to
present my substance abuse prevention education program.

505
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.800
I've dedicated my life's work as a
medical doctor not only in private practice,

506
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.400
but the community education of the reality
of lital health issues. And I have

507
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.320
an age and Team pregnancy and subst
abuse prevention education program for schools district by

508
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.639
Discovery Education that I thought oblige once
I educated myself to this because I knew

509
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.559
nothing about this topic at all before
we had our closed sighting, and certainly

510
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.519
when thousands of people saw what I
saw, I wanted to educate myself.

511
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.199
And about six months before the mass
sighting, I was asked to present my

512
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.480
substance abuse program at the Heel of
River Indian Reservation, which is in between.

513
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.960
It's the basin in between South Mountain
and the Estraya mountain range. And

514
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.400
if you go on the Phoenix Flights
Network website to the Soto page, you'll

515
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.519
see my unique collection of the Phoenix
lights. But the first picture shows the

516
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.000
topography and you can see that there
is an area where South Mountain and the

517
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:50.119
Austraya Mountain range intersect, and not
basin in between is the Austraya is the

518
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.719
heel of Bend in the Indian Reservation. And I presented to them and after

519
00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:01.000
the Mas sighting, I started noticing
that the propos undrance of my photographs was

520
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:07.519
showing that these phenomena were popping up
right in that area where South Mountain and

521
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.440
the Austra austray Is intersect. And
I thought maybe they saw something on March

522
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.679
thirteenth. So I called them up
and I said, did anybody see any

523
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.679
strange lights on March thirteenth? And
they said, are you kidding? And

524
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.280
they started giggling, and I said, is that funny? They said,

525
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.119
We've been looking up at them for
centuries. We called them skyful light beings.

526
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.719
I had no idea that not only
did they see them above their heads

527
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.679
on March thirteenth, but it's part
of their culture. In fact, the

528
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.920
Hope right here in Arizona have protocols
to invite these intelligences in and they believe

529
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:43.920
that there are other intelligences out there, other dimensions and so forth it come

530
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.440
and visit them, particularly these orbs
something or ancestors that come to give them

531
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:55.559
comfort and peace and motivation and inspiration. It's so fascinating when you look at

532
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.559
that side of this. In fact, worldwide, indigenous peoples believe that there

533
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.079
are other intelligence for centuries. And
by the way, the Estrays got its

534
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.840
name from the spin Spantish word for
star because of the history of the area.

535
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:16.760
And there's Petroglyss. There's actually Petroglyss
on South Mountain that look exactly like

536
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.679
the triangle the pyramid of orbs that
my husband and I saw right outside our

537
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.840
bedroom window. It was uncanny when
I first saw that. It was like

538
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:30.480
really bizarre, and these triangle formations
of orbs and what I took on March

539
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.800
thirteenth, what I caught on video
the three lights and a v formation.

540
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.360
At any rate, they also feel
that the estrays are a gateway to the

541
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:45.239
stars and that there is a gateway
or portal in that very area. And

542
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.480
again, if you just look at
my data, it might be so,

543
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.960
it might be so right. And
I get to drive past those every every

544
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.039
day, actually twice a day,
and I get to watch like knights,

545
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.480
like tonight, the scent they go
down behind them, which is always really

546
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:07.360
nice, beautiful. Speaking of the
Native Americans, you touched on this a

547
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.360
little bit, but it was really
cool that you had a couple of these

548
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.960
guys last night at your presentation,
the Navajo Nation Rangers, and these are

549
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:22.719
law enforcement, the Navajo Law Enforcement
Agency, and it's really cool. There's

550
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:30.079
a story recently in the news in
the local CBS, but they have taken

551
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:36.880
the whole paranormal very seriously. And
these guys do investigations. I mean they

552
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.280
not like the police who kind of
ignore it. These guys go out there

553
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.960
and investigate all types of paranormal,
including UFOs, And like you said,

554
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.440
those flashes of lights that they had, they do. I mean, I

555
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.159
was so impressed when I first was
introducing them. Actually, they came up

556
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:58.960
to me at the International UFO Congress
and last year, and you know,

557
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.239
it said to me that they had
some information about the Phoenix lights and they

558
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.719
wanted to share some uh some other
information with me, which I was.

559
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.760
I felt so honored that they would
really, you know, be forthright and

560
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.119
and talk about this. And they've
actually joined forces with Muffon Mutual UFO network

561
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:21.679
in studying these phenomenon, really doing
a top notch job of investigating with equipment

562
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:28.719
and really taking witness testimony very seriously
and not not a haranganation. And there

563
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.960
is so much going on up there. I mean, there was even a

564
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:36.559
sighting the day before our mass sighting
up there. Now Steve Blonder and I

565
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.280
were both photographing these things for days
before, but there was actually a big

566
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:45.639
sighting up there. He described it
yesterday, where the whole town went outside,

567
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.599
turned off their house lights and turned
off as many lights as they could,

568
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.639
went out with their launch chairs and
was watching these lights dancing around the

569
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.400
sky in a counterclock wife information for
about a half an hour. I mean,

570
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.599
there was there was, you know, and they thought that would be

571
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.599
big news, and then it was
eclipsed by by the mass sighting the next

572
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.199
day. But there was there's activity
going on up there all the time.

573
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.000
And you mentioned, by the way, the sunsets are so beautiful here.

574
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.559
If you go to the photo page. The last two pictures are of sunsets

575
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.000
because I collect sunsets. That's why
I had my camera on the ready,

576
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:23.679
right right by the by the door
on when I first started photographing these things,

577
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.880
because we do have such beautiful sunsets. And in two different roles,

578
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.360
in two different months, November and
December of two thousand, I caught an

579
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.719
object that I did not see when
I was looking at the sunset, but

580
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.360
it's very unusual, and it's in
the same spot in both pictures. It's

581
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:47.320
a rod shaped or cigar shaped object
masses, and I've had it all analyzed.

582
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:53.800
And you've probably heard about sightings over
as Superstition Mountains and around about these

583
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:04.760
areas of these cigar shaped craft then
actually have orbs or discs coming out from

584
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.840
them, and they've had that also
happen up in the Navajo Nation. Yeah,

585
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.760
those pictures are really cool, and
like you said, they're on your

586
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.920
website and the photos the last two
and by this time, I mean prior

587
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.639
to ninety seven or actually before that, because you had taken what photos in

588
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:27.679
nineteen ninety five. Prior to that, did you really think much about this

589
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.519
subject? Nothing? I mean I'm
telling I stayed away from it because of

590
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.400
all the scary stories and movies and
all that, and I address that in

591
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.840
the documentary. I think that's really
important for people to realize that we are

592
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:45.199
so inundated with media scare tactics and
Hollywood scare tactics. I mean, almost

593
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:52.880
every movie out there associated with ets
or aliens or UFOs or whatever. And

594
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.239
certainly they want to sell the movie
and it's part of their business, but

595
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:04.079
it instills in us a scared test
scared, a fear of these unknowns,

596
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.639
of these of these things you would
think, okay. And what happened on

597
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.840
March thirteenth, which is really interesting, is it six months before the mass

598
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.800
sighting. You brought up a really
good point because six months before the mass

599
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.960
sighting, the movie Independence Day came
out. And when children, who interestingly

600
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.679
were usually the first people to see
in a family, this mass of formation

601
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.840
coming of lights coming towards them or
craft and there were multiple crafts too.

602
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.400
I'll get to that in a minute, they were scared, and rightly so.

603
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.800
It's just like what doctor Gary Schwartz
says in the in the in the

604
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.480
in the film, if you're scared
of something and you see something you're afraid

605
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.159
of, how do you think you're
going to react? And they have something

606
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.199
up and down Independence Day? Independence
Day. But as it got closer,

607
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.519
and this is so interesting and I
dare say important, as the object got

608
00:47:53.599 --> 00:48:00.400
closer, a calmness came over everyone, even adults, and a connect goodness

609
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.559
to the object, to the phenomena
that when it passed, the kids want

610
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.039
to go running after it, and
they wanted their parents to get in the

611
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.239
car and drive as it was going
away. I mean, that's that's a

612
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.039
transformation, a positive transformation in real
time, which is so interesting. And

613
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.679
that doesn't happen with flares or blimps
or whatever, you know what I mean.

614
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:29.199
Data it speaks for itself. It
reminds me of like a giant whale

615
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.559
shark or or a whale itself.
How you know, even though they're gigantic

616
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:39.079
and scary, we get this fascination
and we can somehow identify that these are

617
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.280
are passive animals and that we don't
have to fear it. And that's the

618
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.960
kind of sense I get, you
know, when like watching your documentary and

619
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.920
when you go over that near documentary, is this this idea of these people

620
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:59.000
not having fear, but more of
a fascination and connection exactly, which is

621
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.519
really really I don't know. To
me, that was one of the most

622
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:09.159
interesting and again probably very important part
of this whole thing. And I'm actually

623
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:14.039
studying this with doctor Gary Schwartz,
who's the head of the country of the

624
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.800
Study Department of the University of Arizona. We're now doing a very important groundbreaking

625
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.480
study on how the Phoenix sites affected
people, both in real time and long

626
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.840
term. And when you look at
that data and you really see what's happened

627
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.880
to people, I mean you saw
yesterday. I mean, people are still

628
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.079
craving answers, People are still fascinated
with the subject, want to learn more.

629
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:38.960
I mean, look what it did
for me. It diapers my entire

630
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:44.679
medical career. Aside to try to
find a logical explanation. I was a

631
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.000
healthy skeptic. One must be open
to things when you're a physician, of

632
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:52.320
course, but up to today,
I mean I'm still open to any logical

633
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.719
explanation. What's really interesting. And
I have to tell you, the people

634
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.519
either outside of the Phoenix are that
weren't involved with this, and certainly those

635
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.400
that didn't read my book have no
idea that this happened three years after the

636
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:13.760
fact, when many people were saying
when they came out with that flair explanation,

637
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.480
which by the way, has never
been proven. Okay, but they

638
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.239
had to come up with something for
the only hard evidence. There's only a

639
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.199
handful of videos that from March thirteenth, and people asked me that all the

640
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:29.400
time, why wasn't there anymore pictures
than that? Well, first of all,

641
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.320
not many people had cell phones to
begin with, but they were huge

642
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.920
that in ninety seven they did not
have cameras in them, and you don't

643
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.320
go out and about carrying a camera
with you. But those people that did

644
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:45.440
try to take pictures, the object
was so massive and blocked out the stories

645
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.280
that the pictures didn't turn out.
So what we ended up with was a

646
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.039
handful of videos that were the only
hard evidence that could be debunked because they,

647
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.599
of course they could blow off people's
stories and say they didn't know what

648
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.760
you were looking at, it was
a mirage, it was guess whatever.

649
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:06.840
But they couldn't they couldn't deny that
there were videos. And I have to

650
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.639
say that the videos don't do it
justice. In the videos, the lights

651
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:14.360
are much smaller, they're flicker,
they're white, but the formation they're really

652
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:19.039
compelling. If you really look at
the video, you can see these lights

653
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.519
seem to be attached to something or
they're a force field in between. So

654
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.920
anyway, that was the only hard
evidence that they could debunk. And whoever

655
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.719
thought of the flare thing was brilliant, I have to tell you, because

656
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.239
they certainly in video could be mistaken
for flares because they flicker and all that.

657
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.960
But at any rate, after they
came out with the explanation, we

658
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.440
said, fine, if it's flares, do it again. Now I knew

659
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.000
I had photographs thirty five millimeters.
They can't be denied. There's negatives,

660
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.559
okay, prior to, during and
after. We've had wonderful fightings after as

661
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.760
well. And so whoever did it
did it at least three times. Do

662
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.559
it again. If it's military,
I'm open to it again. Well,

663
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:06.840
finally, right before the third anniversary. In fact, at that time,

664
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:13.800
the former councilwoman Vice Mayor of Francis
Barwood was running for Secretary of State on

665
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:16.440
a platform to get answers for the
Phoenix lights, and one of the things

666
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:22.480
she was really pushing for was a
reenactment. Okay, And finally they announced

667
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.800
publicly big time the three Air National
Guards I believe it was California, New

668
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.480
York and Michigan. We're going to
be sending off flares to show everybody the

669
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:36.559
Phoenix Lights. And everybody was open
to it. Everybody was ready with their

670
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.079
cameras. And I have to tell
you all you have to do is look

671
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:43.360
at the footage. It was a
joke. If you go on the news

672
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.239
page on the Phoenix Flights Dot network, on the Phoenix Lights network, you

673
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:52.840
go to the news page, I
think it's a second column down the first

674
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.239
block that you see, it's his
Asy Family three. A wonderful report done

675
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:06.760
by Jason Banneker there who shows the
flare footage that they deployed and they tried

676
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.400
to make a triangle. It was
upside down, it fell apart immediately and

677
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:15.400
had huge smoke trails. Nothing,
nothing like the Phoenix Flights is true unknowns.

678
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.760
And when they did that flare deployment, I had to say, more

679
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:24.440
than anything that proved to the witnesses, including myself, that what we saw

680
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:30.119
and certainly what I documented on film
was definitely not flares. So to this

681
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:35.800
day, the Phoenix flights have never
been re enacted, and interestingly too right

682
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.960
before the tenth anniversary, because we're
pretty high and we do see flares deployed

683
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.920
occasionally. There was a line of
flares deployed and I could tell in a

684
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:47.840
heartbeat, because I have a trained
eye now that they were flares. I

685
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:54.280
mean they started going haphazardly within seconds, and through the viewfinder on my camera

686
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.679
you could see that they were smoke
trails immediately. And the next morning I

687
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.079
got calls from all the saying,
doctor Lindn did you see the sighting last

688
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.360
night. We're getting so many calls
about this sighting last night, And I

689
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.239
said, don't get so excited.
It was flares, but this is a

690
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:15.039
perfect opportunity to let the public know
the difference between flares and the true unknowns.

691
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.800
And they did do a report that
was terrific. So Scott Davis is

692
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.760
you know, he's been so supportive
And I had to say through the years

693
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.039
when I first came forward in two
thousand and four, and I have to

694
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.440
applaud the media here. I mean, they've just been incredible. When I

695
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.320
first came forward, I had done
health reporting in the early eighties, actually

696
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.480
in the seventies for NBC in Philadelphia, Philadelphia with Jessica Savage. But I

697
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:45.599
did health reporting here in the eighties
and Channel twelve NBC here, and some

698
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.679
of the people that were working there
that I got friendly with, were just

699
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.239
starting out. And when I came
forward in two thousand and four, which

700
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.320
was many years later, they were
now, you know, the head of

701
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.280
the news department or head of production
or whatever. And when they found out

702
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.320
that I was doctor, they were
very excited because they knew, you know,

703
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:07.840
I'd already set the foundation of my
credibility years back, and they knew

704
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.360
I wouldn't have done this and I
wouldn't have given up my medical career if

705
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.920
I wasn't serious about this and there
wasn't something to it. I mean,

706
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.880
this is this is not a joke. And they take it very seriously too,

707
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.440
And I feel really blessed that they
did take it seriously, and they've

708
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.559
been so supportive and really helped to
get the information out there. Because when

709
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.719
I came forward in two thousand and
four, after seven years of anonymity,

710
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.800
and I had a seven hundred and
fifty page journal by that time of incredibly

711
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.000
credible data. I mean, I
know you're so well informed, Alejandro,

712
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.880
that you know, you know that
the history of this is since human documentation

713
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.400
began, and even in Sumerian writings
and in the Bible, and we have

714
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.960
paintings in fifteen and sixteenth centuries with
people on the ground looking up at the

715
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.320
skuy at what we would say as
a UFO today. And certainly the food

716
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.960
fighters in World War Two, which
I was really impressed when I showed my

717
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:08.760
close photographs to doctor Richard Haynes,
who is very renowned in the field not

718
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:15.719
only investigating pilot sightings thousands of pilot
sightings of these sonomnomalies, but also the

719
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:21.920
food fighters, and he said that
they're just what the different sides were seeing

720
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.760
during World War Two around their planes, and each side thought that these orbs

721
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:31.239
and rock solid formations of twos or
threes were actually spy technology. And it

722
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:36.679
wasn't until after the war that each
side tried to study at Germany and Japan

723
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.960
and the United States and found that
nobody had been by technology, and they

724
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.039
called them food fighters at the time. And certainly we have a plethora of

725
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:52.559
similar sightings from the Lublic Lights and
Hutton Valley in the sixties as well as

726
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:58.599
in the eighties and nineties UK and
Belgium, and Belgium was so I mean

727
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.000
when you look at what they did
when they had their similar sightings, I

728
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:10.880
mean they joined forces with the military
and civilians and the university and government to

729
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.480
try to find out what these things
were. I mean, they really joined

730
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.480
forces, which is what should happen, don't you think Galahadra right, definitely

731
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.239
kind of like we talked about a
little earlier, and I know you you

732
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.039
probably met him, but the Chilean
general who runs the UFO group out there.

733
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.320
Now one thing now that you're talking
about multiple different craft at least in

734
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:37.199
general, you know, a little
known fact and something that you you've reviewed

735
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:45.360
is there were multiple craft sided during
the Because that's really dramatic. I mean,

736
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.519
I have to tell you that blew
me away when I found out because

737
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.599
from a twelve year compilation of hundreds
and hundreds of reports in the National UFO

738
00:57:53.679 --> 00:58:00.239
Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington and
village Labs Arizona, MoveOn and France as

739
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:09.639
Barwood, Michael Tanner and investigator Bill
Hamilton compiled similar craft that people were describing,

740
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:16.960
that multiple people were describing seeing throughout
the state and Larry Lowe beautifully illustrated

741
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.800
them in what we call gap page
on the website, the Phoenix Sites Network

742
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:28.599
website, which is geospatial animation project, to show that there were about eight

743
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:32.400
or nine different craft that were traversing
and some of them, Michael Tanner believes

744
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:37.400
there was a parade of different craft. Now, whether it was one craft

745
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:44.400
that could morph into looking differently or
a parade of different craft as Michael Tanner

746
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:49.920
believes and others by the way,
or it was a perspective from where the

747
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.320
person was standing and just seeing them
from a different angle, we may never

748
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.840
know. But the fact is that
some of them are so different from each

749
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.800
other. I mean, there's one
that really blew me away. And I

750
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:04.800
put on the cover of our latest
edition of the Phoenix Flights documentary, which

751
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.519
by the way, is one of
a dozen International Film Festival wards, which

752
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.719
an unheard of for a documentary,
certainly one of the genre. We're so

753
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:15.440
proud and we've worked so hard,
and I really give Steve Lance, who

754
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.559
was my collaborator. I mean,
you saw the documentary yesterday. He did

755
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.159
such an incredible job of editing and
music and filming, and I mean just

756
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.480
it's been a labor of love for
both of us, and I noticed he

757
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.599
composed the music and the music was
great. I didn't realize that before.

758
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:35.440
Oh yeah, I mean he did
such a contribution. He also did the

759
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.159
website. I mean, the website
is outstanding. If you get to our

760
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.519
website. We really wanted to get
something out there that was free, that

761
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:45.639
people could, you know, inspect
on their own at their leisure. And

762
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.320
there's so much data, and I
keep saying that data speaks for itself.

763
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.239
I just hope people look at it. And that's one of the reasons I

764
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.679
came forward. After seven years.
I condensed the seven hundred and fifty page

765
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.000
journal into two hundred and thirty pages. The first book, The Phoenix Flights,

766
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.639
a Skeptics that we sceptic discovery that
we are not alone. And I've

767
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.480
kept that book. I've just added
to it in the past year, a

768
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.920
new chapter of new Sightings of Stephenville
Sightings. In fact, I'm going to

769
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:19.000
be speaking UH in May May nineteenth
at the first Woman's UFO Symposium organized by

770
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:25.119
Paula Harris, and I'm very excited
about that. We have wonderful UH female

771
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:32.239
speakers, Carol Rosin and Angeliae Joiner
actually was the journalist who broke the story

772
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:37.360
for the steven Villelites and some other
wonderful people. I hope you look that

773
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:39.960
up because that should be a really
yeah. We've had Paula on recently to

774
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:46.599
talk about that, and also the
host, the lady who's going to be

775
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.960
the host, whose name will lose
me right now, even though she's a

776
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.440
friend, be really yeah, it's
going to be really exciting. And uh,

777
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:55.559
you know, men are in it
too. We have the witnesses,

778
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.239
uh, some of the male witnesses
of Pilot that they saw these things very

779
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:05.079
similar to the phoenix sights by the
way. They had verbs. They also

780
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:09.440
had these shaped objects, and interestingly
enough, the same thing happened there too.

781
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:13.519
First, the military kept changing their
story they weren't in the air,

782
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.719
than they were in the air,
and they started sending off flares for weeks

783
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:21.480
afterwards to confuse the issue. It's
interesting how they react to these things.

784
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:25.039
But when I came forward in two
thousand and four, and it was very

785
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.719
precarious to do so, by the
way, Alejandro, I mean, I

786
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:30.760
did a lot of soul searching.
I did not want to come forward,

787
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.920
but I know if I didn't the
rest of the story would sit on a

788
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.280
shelf, and there was so much
more to the story, and they accepted,

789
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.079
you know, the official and accepted
for anybody but the witnesses, and

790
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:46.440
the investigator's explanation for the phoenix sights
was that it was just flares. I

791
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:52.400
mean, you can only imagine how
frustrating that was for the witnesses and for

792
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.519
myself personally that knew that there was
so much more to the story, right,

793
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.760
So, you know, I really, in good conscience, especially as

794
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.360
an cater, couldn't stick what I
had in the drawer, especially when I

795
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:06.280
continued taking pictures of these things,
and one of the pictures one of the

796
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:10.599
craft I was starting to say,
I discovered that one month before our mass

797
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:15.559
sighting, there was another mass slighting
in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and one

798
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.639
of the fellows. In fact,
I just showed it that the International USO

799
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:25.199
Congress last month. The video that
someone had captured is exactly like one of

800
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.880
the craft of those eight or nine
craft that they discovered people were seeing throughout

801
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.800
the state here too on March thirteenth, So you know, these things have

802
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.679
been around and interestingly, one of
the other crafts, if you read the

803
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:47.880
side notes split into another craft shot
straight up. There was also a disgoyed

804
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:53.519
shaped craft as well, So there
were many many incidents happening, many a

805
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:59.159
novelies happening at the same time.
It was really a parade throughout the state

806
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:04.000
on March thirteenth, So you know, how can you keep that in a

807
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.199
drawer? Right? We had to
get this information out there, so I'm

808
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.079
so happy that we did. And
the media again has been so kind and

809
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.280
really has has covered this quite professionally. And I think if people go on

810
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:23.159
Facebook, the Phoenix Lights Network Facebook
page, you'll see I've posted most of

811
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:30.119
the current reports and they're they're outstanding, I have to tell you. I

812
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.519
mean, they really get into the
subject and they really do a great job.

813
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.760
So we're lucky here, aren't We
all hadro to be definitely, and

814
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:42.039
especially when the weather's like it is
that has been But I wanted to ask

815
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.360
you, and you talked about how
it was frustrating and how you know,

816
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.320
one of the things that prompted you
to come out and talk was that you

817
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:53.480
saw people calling flares and other things. How did you fill then in two

818
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:58.960
thousand and seven, when you talked
about how Fice Simington and brought this guy

819
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.000
out dressed like an a And when
fIF Simington came out and said he had

820
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:08.840
seen the Phoenix lights and he believed
that they were huge and incredible, and

821
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:12.000
he even believes that it was technology
beyond what we can do, and that

822
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.599
they're extraterrestrial. How did you feel
when that happened. Well, you know,

823
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.679
he calls them otherworldly, and you
would hear that over and over and

824
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:25.360
over again from people throughout the state
on March sixteenth, so you know,

825
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.079
and I can certainly relate to that. I saw it up close and personally

826
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.599
myself, and I really I have
to say I was so pleased and so

827
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:38.000
excited that he did come forward.
I I you know, it's very courageous

828
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:43.679
to get out there and to say
that you saw something that is extraordinary.

829
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.440
And most things can be explained by
the way, only a small percentage cannot.

830
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.039
But just because they don't have the
technology yet to definitively define what these

831
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:55.800
things are, it doesn't mean they're
not real. And when you see something

832
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.800
that is so out of the realm
of our reality, to you, it's

833
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.199
real. And as a physician,
I know that there's millions of people worldwide

834
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.199
that have had experiences that are real
to them, even though maybe they could

835
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:11.800
be explained, it's real to them, and it's important that we get this

836
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.239
out in the open. And as
you said, I mean the ridicule and

837
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.360
the snickering and the discrediting. It's
enough already. It's enough already. And

838
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:24.840
when people like the former governor come
forward and actually admit that they've seen something

839
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:31.079
that's otherworldly, it lends more credibility
to the whole subject and the more credible

840
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.840
people that come forward, And that
was another reason that I had to come

841
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:39.800
forward if I can be a credible
voice, as precarious as it was and

842
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:45.719
still is, coming forward with this
information. It's so important that people just

843
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.760
have the facts out there if they
care to look at them. It is

844
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.960
a choice because you know some people, you know, everybody comes from a

845
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.480
different background, from a different upbringing, from different belief system, and some

846
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.519
people can't deal with this. Some
people don't want to deal with it,

847
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.119
and that's okay. That's okay if
they need to feed into a flare explanation

848
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:09.800
because it's logical and it gives them
comfort, so be it. Everyone in

849
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.559
their own time. But now the
information is out there, and we've come

850
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:15.000
such a long way, and it's
not just me, it's people like the

851
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:19.519
Governor coming forward and like the Francis
forward coming forward, and so many witnesses

852
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:26.079
coming forward and sharing their stories that
have really gotten this out there big time

853
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.880
worldwide. And now with you know, the Internet and social networking and just

854
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.039
these kinds of instances. I want
to tell you that's too. I mean,

855
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:38.800
we talked about coincidences. It's it's
very serendipitous, and call it what

856
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:43.000
you will, or ironic or whatever, but the very I mean, this

857
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:47.199
is planned months in advance April twenty
second, two thousand and eight, for

858
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:54.840
the release from Vanguard Cinema of our
documentary, our first distribution, and it

859
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.960
was on a Tuesday. And I
even said to the to the head of

860
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.880
Vanguard, why on Tuesday, And
he said, because it's it's good for

861
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.880
the Blockbuster which was open at that
time and other stores to be able to

862
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:11.519
put the documentary DVD on their shelves
on Monday, and they're ready to go

863
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:16.880
for Tuesday when it's released publicly.
Right well, the very night before April

864
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.639
twenty first, two thousand and eight, we had a big sighting here remember

865
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:25.039
that one in the Northwest, right, Yeah, okay, of these of

866
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:30.280
these orbs and different formation overnight,
just like this flash of light overnight.

867
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.199
The next morning, it was the
top story on the Drudge Report. It

868
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:38.079
was uncanny, it was unbelievable.
And people were, you know, equating

869
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.039
that with the Phoenix Flights again,
and it was out there on the Internet

870
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.159
big time, equating it with the
Phoenix flights. And I tell you,

871
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.079
our documentary was flying off the shelves. It was unow it was such a

872
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.199
gift. It was such a gift. And even with this, with this

873
01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.360
new event that just happened, with
the flash of light, the fact that

874
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.239
it's so close to the anniversary,
whatever it is, and this problem a

875
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.440
prosaic explanation, although I have to
tell you Steve Blander saw you know,

876
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:08.880
the slash of light on March tenth, and the Navajo Nation saw it up

877
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:13.559
there as well in January, so
it could be something anomalist, and there

878
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:17.239
is still no explanation at this point, but it doesn't matter the fact that

879
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.800
it happened, and as being equated
worldwide, I mean, this has going

880
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:27.199
really viral with the Phoenix Lights fifteenth
anniversary is really exciting. I mean,

881
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.880
it's amazing. Yeah, And you
know, at least I always feel and

882
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.640
maybe we're looking for it, but
I don't think so that the most important

883
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:40.760
projects that we work on, that
we really put our heart into, there

884
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:46.000
always seems to be serendipitous happenings around
them. It's amazing. I think that's

885
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.319
what I felt through my life.
Well, when you open, like,

886
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:53.239
you bring up a really good point, Alejandra, because one of the things,

887
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:55.760
and my book is so much more
than just the phoenix flights, by

888
01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.600
the way, because as I was
interviewing different witnesses, and I don't even

889
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:04.279
address this in the documentary. The
documentary is an overview of the whole topic.

890
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:08.520
But this is something else that I
go into in the book is that

891
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:13.279
there were a number of witnesses who
shared that they had had near death experiences

892
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:18.000
as children that was reawakened by the
mass sighting. And I found that really

893
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:23.279
curious because I did too, and
I go into detail of that a very

894
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:28.239
profound and life changing experience when I
was eight years old, near death experience,

895
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.880
and I thought, jeez, could
there possibly be a connection between all

896
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.520
unexplained phenomena? And here when I
started looking again, I started finding such

897
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:44.840
credible data. There was a very, very detailed study done at the University

898
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.439
of Connecticut called the Omega Project by
doctor Kenneth Ringham. In the book is

899
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:51.880
like four inches stick. I couldn't
even go through it, but it really

900
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:58.800
establishes the fact, along with many
other professors across the United States, that

901
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.680
explained phenomena, be it near death
experience, out of body experience, or

902
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:11.159
unexplained aerial phenomena that have a mystical
light associated with the experience are very similar,

903
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.319
not only in the experience itself,
with feeling the time has stopped that

904
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:20.239
there's other kinds of intelligence is there
along with you. I mean I lay

905
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:25.239
it out very simply in the book, and there's many more details. But

906
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.760
the thing that really hit me,
and once you start waking up to this

907
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.680
is the positive after effect. I
mean, you saw other people yesterday.

908
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:41.359
I mean, everybody gets so excited
and it's just it's just an experience,

909
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.479
just to be together with like people
that have had similar experiences. The after

910
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:50.000
effect is so positive. The awakening, the enlightenment, whatever you want to

911
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:56.359
call it, the connectedness that one
feels when you have an unexplained phenomena experience,

912
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.920
whatever it is, and I started
calling them all ups because they are

913
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.960
they are so positive, there are
so they change your worldview to know that

914
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.880
we're not alone in this universe,
that we're connected to the universe and to

915
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:15.119
the Earth and to each other so
much more intimately than we ever imagined,

916
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.039
and all these unexplained phenomenon As you
look into the literature of near death experiences

917
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:26.560
as well as contact ees et cetera
that have these unexplained phenomenon experiences have this

918
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:31.159
positive after effect that that stays with
them forever, and many of them not

919
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.399
only like myself when to get to
the bottom of it, but also know

920
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:43.159
that we're not alone in the universe
and also know that with their eyes open,

921
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.479
that there's so much more that we
haven't learned yet, and that we're

922
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.680
just we're just in our infancy.
Actually we're probably just getting out of our

923
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:57.199
husbands, starting to mature, and
our DNA is changing at a rapid speed,

924
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:00.960
and our consciousness is changing as well. To let us know that there

925
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.880
is so much more out there,
so much more of a reality, and

926
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:09.680
even in ourselves, we have so
much capability, so much more capability,

927
01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:14.479
the more being told, and we
know we only use a small percentage of

928
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.760
our brain anyway, but you know, when you're talking about consciousness and really

929
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:23.319
evolving our consciousness. That's why I
think it's so important to get this topic

930
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.960
out in the open and address it, accept it, and study it,

931
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.159
get science on this so that we
can move forward and not only find out

932
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.399
who's driving these things, but also
move forward in our own evolution. And

933
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:40.279
when you wake up to this,
like you said, you start noticing serendipities,

934
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:43.960
you start noticing and being open.
It's just like you know, now

935
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.000
I'm sharing for the first time,
and I don't know if you're even aware

936
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.880
of this, Halla Hunter. But
in the new edition of the book,

937
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:55.239
and I never thought I would ever
share this data, but doctor Bruce mcabee

938
01:12:55.279 --> 01:13:00.399
analyzed my very close sighting in ninety
five, the first and the last picture,

939
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.199
and I won't get into detail all
that people enjoy it in the book,

940
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:08.000
but he actually presented the case because
we thought it was only a few

941
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:11.880
minutes, but the pictures speak for
themselves, and he did a very detailed

942
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:17.039
study of the skyline in those pictures, and there's many lights on in the

943
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:20.920
first picture, groups of lights that
are off in the last picture, and

944
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:25.720
when he finally analyzed it, he
said, could I present this case at

945
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:30.800
the Muffin International Symposium in nineteen ninety
nine, and I, you know,

946
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:35.000
I said, hey, doctor mcavee, I would have never noticed this detail,

947
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:39.439
and this is your baby. Go, you know, do whatever you

948
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.000
think is appropriate, just keep my
name out of it, which he did,

949
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:46.640
and he presented it as the first
authenticated photographic evidence ever of missing time.

950
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.239
Now this was his whole report,
by the way, the twenty one

951
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:55.760
page report is on the website.
And I couldn't wrap my head around it.

952
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.560
I had no idea what he was
talking about. I couldn't even go

953
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.840
there because what I remember is my
husband calling me to the window. We

954
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:06.560
saw three orbs and a pyramid information
went on top and too closely aligned underneath.

955
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.800
I tried to take everything in Mentally, I didn't want to move.

956
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.439
You would hear that from a lot
of people that have sightings. They just,

957
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:15.600
you know, don't want to budget. They just try to take everything

958
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:17.840
in, and that's what I tried
to do. They were about three to

959
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:24.279
six feet each, depending on how
close they were. They were oval shaped

960
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:29.560
actually on their side, very closely
aligned. The amber color within each orb,

961
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:31.479
and I called them an orb because
the light did not extend outside the

962
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:36.520
edge was an amber color throughout.
It didn't glare at all. It didn't

963
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.800
have like a hot spot in the
center with a uniform color, and every

964
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:43.319
other laid out there glared. And
I thought, if I don't get a

965
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:45.000
picture of this, nobody's gonna believe
it. So I run to the closet

966
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.479
to get my camera that I have
ready for sunsets, and my husband calls

967
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.279
me back. He says, get
over here quick. One of them is

968
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:56.000
disappearing. And as we watch,
and this is really significant a one hundred

969
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.800
because I always go back to this
sighting as we watch, and these were

970
01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:00.399
pretty close. They were about one
hundre feet away, and they were below

971
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.439
us because we're pretty high on the
mountain, and they were on top of

972
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:11.880
a gated you know, it's residents
behind their home. It was very treacherous

973
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:19.159
incline. And as we watched,
the top orb without budging, started to

974
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:23.319
dim. But it was more like
it's very hard to explain, more like

975
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:29.279
an imploding very very slowly, like
mechanically like it there was an intelligence behind

976
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:33.920
it, and very very slowly until
it was a small dot and then out,

977
01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:36.960
but it felt like it was still
there. Where did it go?

978
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:41.560
Okay, maybe to another dimension.
I don't know, I get you know,

979
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.079
you just can't even imagine such a
thing happening. But it felt like

980
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:46.920
it was still there, but we
didn't see it anymore. I stepped out

981
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:51.319
on the balcony and immediately noticed,
in eerie silence, I click a picture

982
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:55.159
of the two lower orbs, and
that's the second picture on the photo.

983
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.359
Okay, so that's the first picture
of the close sighting that I took.

984
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.520
And it was really eerie. I
mean it was if time had stopped.

985
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:06.760
There was not a sound, and
as intently as I was looking at these

986
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:12.319
two lower orbs, it felt like
something was watching me and going through my

987
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.439
head. And I didn't admit this
to anyone. In fact, Jim Deltosa

988
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.319
was the first person I admitted it
to after the mass sighting a couple of

989
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:21.079
years later. Going through my mind, I was thinking, who are you?

990
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.000
What are you? Do you know
that I'm here? I'd love to

991
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:27.960
meet you. And the next thing
I remember, the left bottom warp started

992
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.399
to disappear, and I quickly shot
a picture of that, and that was

993
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:32.319
the only one that turned out at
the time, but for me it was

994
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:39.479
confirmation that we did see something unusual. I caught one of them half disappeared.

995
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.640
I mean, you can see it. It's right there. Dada speaks

996
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.359
for itself, and one's still there. And I didn't even know who to

997
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.880
show it to. And you know, I wondered for two years what this

998
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:54.600
advanced technology was doing outside our bedroom
window. And that's about all that I

999
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.439
remember. I vaguely remember the last
one going out. I do not remember

1000
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.880
going inside or going to bed that
night. I just don't remember. But

1001
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:06.520
at any rate, he presents the
case in nineteen ninety nine. I was

1002
01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:10.640
never going to tell a soul about
it. I never mentioned it in the

1003
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:15.079
first book or the second edition.
I mean, I just couldn't go there

1004
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:19.199
because it's just so bizarre, and
you know, I just didn't even want

1005
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:24.079
to go there. But this last
latest edition, I thought, you know

1006
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:29.840
what, finally quantum physics and quantum
mechanics is catching up. Not only is

1007
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:35.319
our time linear time probably primitive,
And maybe this stat is important. You

1008
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.960
know, I don't believe in coincidence
anymore, I have to tell you,

1009
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.079
so maybe I have this data for
a reason. And you know, if

1010
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:46.399
it's to show that linear time is
primitive, the past president in the future

1011
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:50.840
is not really what time is.
Or you know when we talk about in

1012
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:56.640
quantum physics now the bubble theory and
string theory that there could be ten or

1013
01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:01.239
eleven different dimensions. Well, if
there's other time and spaces along with ours,

1014
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:06.159
why is it such a leap to
think that there might be other intelligences

1015
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:11.800
in those other times in spaces that
we get glimpses of, if we're open

1016
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.319
to them or invited. And that's
why I'm sharing that information now. It's

1017
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.720
data that hopefully science will take a
look at. I welcome it, I

1018
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:25.840
invite them, and maybe it'll help
us move forward, as I said,

1019
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:30.239
in our own evolution, and realize
that the time isn't what we really think

1020
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:36.000
it is, and that we are
being visited, whether it's interstellar time travelers,

1021
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:41.239
spiral world, interdimensional, which I
do believe that whatever happened to us

1022
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:45.600
here is interdimensional. And that's why
sometimes we see them and sometimes they disappear,

1023
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:50.439
and in those sunset shots, why
I didn't see them when this long

1024
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:55.159
rod cigar shape thing when I was
taking the picture, But it's there in

1025
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.880
the same spot in two different roles, in two different moods, right,

1026
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:03.479
So you have to take that onto
consideration and hopefully the data will help move

1027
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.880
this forward a little bit. So
that's why I'm sharing it now. But

1028
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:11.640
yes, I do not believe in
coincidence anymore. So you know, once

1029
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:14.319
you get to that point, your
eyes are open and your mind and your

1030
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:18.800
heart is open to what comes before
you. You know, you start experiencing

1031
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:25.000
things that that are very soreendipitous,
and you know, you start taking note

1032
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.920
of it. I think it's it's
fun. Now. I know you've got

1033
01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:32.039
your you've got to run, So
I guess I'll make this my last question,

1034
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.279
but it would be, is that
what you think the sightings are about?

1035
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:41.239
Why they kind of open themselves or
displayed themselves in a way that's practically

1036
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:48.720
unprecedented to a large group like Phoenix
to open our eyes in the similar ways

1037
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:55.359
that people experience and their near death
experiences. I think that's that's what it's

1038
01:19:55.399 --> 01:20:00.239
about. I think that not only
and I'm open to anything, by the

1039
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.600
way. I mean, like I
said, I'm a healthy skeptic, and

1040
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.720
you know, somebody showed me these
things and said their military shame on them

1041
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:12.439
for doing it over people's heads and
not admitting it. But I'm open.

1042
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.199
But I have to say, when
you really look at the after effect and

1043
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.399
even the effect in real time as
we described earlier, you know, something

1044
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:25.479
really happened here, and it's happening
worldwide. These phenomena are touching one person

1045
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.479
at the time, and that's why
I hope my book and my documentary you

1046
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:30.960
do too. And now I'm working
on a curriculum for kids fifth grade through

1047
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:36.920
twelfth grade to really an overview to
help kids learn and grow. They thirst

1048
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.279
for this knowledge. There's nothing in
our schools, so I'm working on that

1049
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:45.000
now. I'll keep you posted on
that one. But yeah, I think

1050
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.720
that whatever these phenomena are, whoever
they are, wherever they're from, not

1051
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:54.279
only are they trying to wake us
up in a very gentle and non threatening

1052
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:58.359
way. Again, there has not
been one, not one report of harm,

1053
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.359
threat or abduction association with the Phoenix
Lights event. I can't speak for

1054
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:05.279
other things, but I can speak
for the Phoenix Lights and not only are

1055
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:10.680
they waking us up to their presence, but also they're waking people up.

1056
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:13.840
And if you look at the data, it just shows it over and over

1057
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:15.640
again, and all you need to
do is study the data. You don't

1058
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:19.159
even have to have the experience.
But if you really open yourself up to

1059
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:24.560
study it and be open to the
possibility, you can also have this positive

1060
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:29.720
transformation what I call an up because
that's what's happening to people. It has

1061
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:34.199
changed people's lives forever here, don't
you think, Alejandra? For sure?

1062
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:42.840
I mean to have a large one
of the largest populations in the country all

1063
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:48.119
have sharing common this extraordinary event that
happened in nineteen ninety seven, and for

1064
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:54.199
it to be in the public's conscience
to where if you say the phoenix lights

1065
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:58.600
out here, they know what that
is. And many people I was surprised

1066
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:02.520
to see how many people will share
either a family member or themselves or them

1067
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.800
I mean, the first lady who
cut my hair had had seen it and

1068
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:13.680
she called everybody when I bought my
house that the sales guy, the customer

1069
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.399
service guy, had seen it and
he knew of Travis Walton and he knew

1070
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:23.840
those people out there. So yeah, I think it's certainly changed the way

1071
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:29.279
people in this area, and people
who hear about this their views on the

1072
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.920
world right, well, they don't
they don't laugh anymore. And the media

1073
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.000
here isn't laughing. It's not a
joke. I mean, they're taking it

1074
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:39.680
seriously. And that's that's what needs
to happen elsewhere. And we know other

1075
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:45.000
countries are much more open to these
phenomenas being unearthly. And you know,

1076
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.479
just the release of the files from
UK and France and Belgium and Brazil and

1077
01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:55.680
whatever the last few years is just
indicative of how things are changing and becoming

1078
01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:00.760
much more open to the possibility,
the reality that we are being visited,

1079
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:09.159
whatever it is, by advanced technologies
intelligences that are not of our world.

1080
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:12.359
And you know, that's the main
thing here and I think, you know,

1081
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.000
if I can leave, I can
leave you with the message it's being

1082
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:19.000
given around the world too, is
that these phenomena are waking people up.

1083
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:24.720
And it's not just contact, it's
not just aerial phenomena. It's near death

1084
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:29.520
experience and other out of body experiences
to wake up to what we're doing to

1085
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:33.479
our planet and to ourselves before it's
too late. And it's a consistent message

1086
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:39.800
when you read near death experience research, consistently, they're coming back with that

1087
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:43.399
same message. And many people here
got that message. I have to tell

1088
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:47.319
you there were people that change their
eating habits they don't need beat anymore,

1089
01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:53.000
or they went into the peace movement
or the environmental movement. It really wakes

1090
01:23:53.079 --> 01:23:56.119
people up to what's important. And
we have such a beautiful planet, and

1091
01:23:56.159 --> 01:24:00.439
we have such potential, positive potential
as human beings to make this world a

1092
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.720
better world. And you know,
that's what I hope and I want to

1093
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:08.439
believe that these phenomena are doing that, one person at a time, and

1094
01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:14.000
people around the world now instead of
thinking the Phoenix Lights were just merely illumination

1095
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:18.760
flares military illumination flares as they sit
in two thousand and four when I came

1096
01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:24.479
forward. Now, when they see
similar sightings, whether it's these orbs or

1097
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:29.479
a mile wide triangle or V shaped
craft, they'll point and say, there's

1098
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.119
the Phoenix flights. Well, you
know you can't get better than that,

1099
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:36.000
right. He'll raise awareness, And
I appreciate you having me on today to

1100
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:43.199
raise awareness to your audience, because
the Phoenix Lights is really a major major

1101
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.760
event in the minds and the hearts
and the consciousness, not only here in

1102
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:50.680
Arizona, but it's becoming that way
worldwide. We see it now with what's

1103
01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:58.359
happening with just this new flash of
light, it's making most major news worldwide.

1104
01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.680
So I hope that it continues and
one day we find out who's driving

1105
01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:06.000
these things. But in the meantime, keep looking up right. Well,

1106
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:09.680
thank you so much for taking the
time to be on the show. I

1107
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.760
know you're real busy, and you're
you're going to be on Coast to Coast

1108
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:16.000
again tomorrow night, is that correct? I will at ten o'clock to celebrate

1109
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:20.159
the fifteenth anniversary of the Phoenix Flights
the Mass Hours. I'm in a mass

1110
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:25.439
lighting, very excited about that.
I'll be talking with George Norri and we'll

1111
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:30.479
be getting into the rest of the
story of the Phoenix Lights, because many

1112
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.880
people don't know. I mean a
lot of people here locally, because they

1113
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.359
come to our event every year,
are learning more and more of the inside

1114
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:40.359
story. And I hope people pick
up the latest edition of the book,

1115
01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:43.880
The Phoenix Flights, a skeptics Discovery
that we are not alone, and the

1116
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:48.439
documentary as well, and take a
peek at the website. It's tacking interesting,

1117
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:53.680
intriguing information and thank you for letting
me share it. Thank you,

1118
01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:57.000
thank you so much. For being
on the show. We'll talk to you

1119
01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.439
soon, talk to you later.
Bye bye. Now, oh right,

1120
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:05.199
well, that is the Phoenix Lights
dot net is her website. That's where

1121
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:10.720
you can go get the book and
see the documentary. It's a great documentary.

1122
01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:14.479
If you haven't seen it, you
really need to, and trust me,

1123
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.119
it is one that is certainly worth
purchasing because the number of witnesses,

1124
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:25.079
the credible witnesses that the actual descriptions
of what they saw. Certainly people across

1125
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.840
the state were not just seeing flair. So it's a great documentary that documents

1126
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:32.520
all of this, and it documents
I think better than anything else Francis barr

1127
01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:38.960
Wood and her experience as a city
councilwoman actually championing the subject and trying to

1128
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:43.399
get answers for the citizens who were
wondering what the heck did I see?

1129
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.039
And I think you know rightly so
that the government ought to be interested in

1130
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:50.279
looking into it, so Francis Barwood
being one of the only officials who actually

1131
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:55.720
did something to try to figure it
out. So definitely check out the documentary.

1132
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:58.319
Really, if you google Phoenix Lights, her link is one of the

1133
01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:01.159
first that comes up. So it's
great to have have her, especially on

1134
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:08.319
the twelfth when the anniversary is tomorrow, fifteenth anniversary of that incredible event.

1135
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:15.119
Thank you all so much for listening. We will have those gentlemen who served

1136
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.760
in the Navajo Nation rangers on soon. Actually I've known them for a while.

1137
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:21.760
I don't know why I haven't gotten
them on the show. I guess

1138
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:25.960
I know they're real busy guys,
but we'll get them on soon to talk

1139
01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:30.319
to them about their investigations in the
Navajo Nation, which is very interesting.

1140
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:33.439
Some wonderful people. So it was
great to see them again and we'll talk

1141
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:39.760
to them soon, So stay tuned. We will be back next week with

1142
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:46.680
more amazing news and UFO stories and
I'm just so excited to talk to you

1143
01:27:46.880 --> 01:28:45.920
every time. You people. Have
a wonderful week. Audio got going, Cho Cho