I think a lot of the reason that so many women feel pressure to do
the things to their faces is as a result of watching Hollywood, and so
they see the impossible beauty standards that are upheld by Hollywood. They see Hollywood
actresses doing things to their faces, and then they're like, okay, well
that they're the ones that are sort of setting the culture. Welcome to another
deep dive addition of the Chicks on the Right podcast today, because it's been
some months now that I think that we talked about people needing to stop with
their faces and we played some builder clips because there's so many women that are
turning into cats and it's not okay. It's not it's not okay. And
so you saw recently sort of the opposite viewpoint with Justine Bateman, who people
know from such things as Families Love Love That show. I love miss shows
like that. Just side note, I totally miss sitcoms like that, Like
we need to bring back sit comes again that actually were sitcoms and not reality
shows. Continue Are there sitcoms like a thing as a sitcom anymore? I
just missed that. So I don't think that people have the attention span anymore
for sitcoms. I think they only have the attention span for like five minute
chunks of video if that, maybe thirty second chunks and that's it, and
then they have to move along because they're like fleas. Yeah, yeah,
you're right, but man, in the eight Day of sitcoms, there were
some good ones. And Mallory, who Justine played on Family Time, was
a great character and gorgeous. And so now she is a director, writer,
producer person. She's behind the camera instead of on camera, and she's
calling the shots and a lot of shows that she's producing and directing and she
likes it that way. And but apparently, like some time ago, years
ago actually because she's fifty seven now, but like in her early forties,
she was putting together some sort of some thing and needed a bio, like
she needed to have her memory triggered about something that she had done. So
she googled herself and saw that the auto phil on the Google search bar,
when you said Justine Bateman, it automatically put the words looks. Can you
imagine? Like that's and that that's what came up for her as she searched
for herself. Yeah, and she's like, wait a secs and you know,
then she started, you know, she started talking about it more and
more, and she's like, I think I look rad you know, I
think I look really great, and she and we have a couple clips of
her that she's you know, she's become very outspoken about the fact that she
has not put any she has not fed with her face at all. The
only thing that she fs with is her eyes, and in my view,
she wears way too much island and honestly, I think she would look gorgeous
without it. But that's, you know, whatever She's gonna do her and
her whole point is that people should just do them and they shouldn't feel pressure
by society and culture to like f with her faces. And so I can't
remember what well, the first clip is her. I think she was just
this was part of the sixty minute special that they did with her. She
wrote a book. I believe the book is called Face if I'm not mistaken,
And so she's talking, she talks about this and it's a it's a
pretty quick clip, but it just gives you kind of the gist of how
she feels about her face. So here's that is there, beauty and aging?
Aren't you really saying, do you think it's possible for other people to
find aging beautiful? And like, I just don't give it, Like I
think I look rad I think my face represents who I am. I like
it. And so that's basically the end of the road. I love that
so much. I love it. And then she and she talked about how
if she did a bunch of crap to her face, it would erase the
authority that she has, which I think is interesting because you know, you
look around and you see some of these women who have like, you know,
the puffy, stretched out catlike faces, and do they command authority?
I don't know. You look at Madonna, like with the with the Grammy
debacle, and I you know, I don't know do people respect her more
because she has that face and she doesn't even look like Madonna anymore. She
barely looks umine at this point. She looks like an alien. Like I
made fun of her. I don't, okay, I didn't really make fun
of her. I don't want to say that. I put a picture of
her on my Facebook wall and I said, can we make aging grade again?
Maga mega? I put can we make aging grade again? On my
Facebook all and I put a picture of her right after, like the day
after the Grammys, because I was like, what is going on with Madonna?
As was like seventy five percent of the country. I mean, we
all were like wait, especially gen xers, because we remember Madonna as being
Madonna and not a you know, some feline alien, and so we were
like, what the Hell's going on with Madonna's face? So I put her
picture on my Facebook wall, and so many people were like, Oh my
god, Yeah, what's going on with their face? Like what is the
deal? Like she should just you know, be kind of normal. It'd
be so great if she would just you know, age kind of normally and
gracefully, and wouldn't that be need to be so refreshing. And then I
had a couple women who I know from high school and college who were really
but heard about that because they took it personally because they do the things things.
You know, they're the ones who have the lip injections and the you
know, the real housewives work on their face. You know what I'm saying
that when I say the housewives work, you know, they have the stretch
and the pool and they have the look. They have that look. You
know what look, and everybody knows the look you do. You know the
look. It's like the Kardashian A five look. And there's always a couple
that you know from like high school or college that have done the things and
they it's like they ever, it's that look, and it's becoming so commonplace.
Like when and that started what, Like, I don't know, in
the mid to late two thousands, I think is when everybody, I say
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and younger and younger, and now like twenty somethings and thirty some things are
doing all of that crap to their face and they claim it's preventative, like
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want to? And I think that's why I said, let's let's make it.
Let's make aging great again, because you know, when everybody starts looking
the same, then nobody is unique anymore. And that's weird, you know
what I mean, That's funny, that's just weird. They never like,
I don't want to look like Kim Kardashian at all, and I don't.
I definitely don't don't want to look like Madonna looked at the Grammys. So
if I'm gonna have like some wrinkles and stuff, I'd much rather I don't
know, I'd rather look like that than look like an alien. I don't
know. There's so there's something to be said for aging it. And I
do like some of the things that Justine Bateman says, which is, you
know, having the authority on your face and like living a life. And
then there's this one clip that she you know, she when she was interviewed
about her book and about the sixty minutes interview. This clip was really cool
because I just liked the things she said in it and it spoke, um,
it hit a nerve with me. I just thought like, Wow,
this face, fully functional face right has smelt from my whole life, from
in the womb to out, has smelt everything I've smelled, has said everything
I've said, has cried every moment I've cried, has laughed everything every time
I've laughed. And so am I now gonna go, Yeah, thanks for
all that, Thanks for everything you've ever did for me. Whatever, Now
I'm going to cut you up because I don't like you. Isn't that kind
of neat? Yeah? I kind of love that. I guess it's like
the same reason that you, you know, I get really pissed off nowadays,
because you know, when you go through the menopause, you get really
pissy because you all of a sudden you've gained ten pounds overnight, and you're
like, what the hell is this? What is this garbage? But then
you have to you have to take pause and no pun intended and you have
to go, Okay, Well, this body has done a lot of good
things for me, you know. I mean, it's taken me through three
pregnancies, one that actually came to fruition. It's like, I've had a
lot of surgeries. I've been through a lot of crap in this body.
I've been through a lot of journey. I hate the word journey, but
I have been through a lot of crazy journeys in this body. And it's
gotten me through some crap. And so you have to be grateful for the
and I you know, and I have all my limbs, you know,
I've I've made It's like I look at the stuff that you've been through in
your body and like you're we're still alive. We're on the We're on the
right side of the dirt man. So right, well, that's why I
mean, as as difficult as aging can be, it sure as hell beats
the alternates, that's the thing. And so you know, I remember like
hanging out with my grandma, because you know, both of my grandma's and
obviously my great grandmother's they're gone now. And I remember hanging out with my
great my great grandmother in particular, and her skin was so paper thin,
and she was very wrinkly, and I there was something endearing about that,
something about like her life was so lived, like she had been through so
much and like the and she was wise, and you know, obviously she
was old. She was freaking old, and she had lived a life,
and like you look to her to tell you stories and and give you advice
and be this, you know, person that had been through so many years
of living and it you know, she wasn't stretched and puffy and waxy.
And can you imagine, like if she looked like a car I don't know,
would just be so different like going to her and asking just I just
can't imagine her being a person that had all that work done to her face,
or if she didn't want to embrace aging. I just I feel like
she probably felt beautiful because she had lived a life and not because of crap
that she did to her face or and or her body. You know.
Well, I mean, the whole thing about Justine is is great because I
think a lot of the reason that so many women feel pressure to do the
things to their faces is as a result of watching Hollywood, and so they
see the impossible beauty standards that are upheld by Hollywood. They see Hollywood actresses
doing things to their faces, and then they're like, okay, well that
they're the ones that are sort of setting the culture right. So then regular
everyday women are like, well, crap, if this is the standard,
I gotta hold myself to that. I gotta get with the times and f
with my face. And so it's I think it's more impactful when someone like
a Justine Bateman or I know we've got a clip too of any McDowell,
when other actresses, other people in Hollywood, other influential celebrity types are taken
a stand against all the FFing with our faces, so that regular people can
be like, well, if they can do it, then I can do
that too. I can age just like a regular person instead of trying to
beat a clock that I'm never gonna beat. I'm never gonna win that fight,
So what's the point of even engaging in the battle, you know.
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We're on camera every single day, and so you know, I mean
that people will pick at your looks. I mean, you get like,
we're just normal everyday people, but we get it. I mean people will
be like, you're ugly, you're this, your nose is big, your
hair is this, your eyes are this? You you know, you look
like crape. We get the insults, you know, so, and we
didn't have this when we were growing up. You didn't. Social media in
itself is just this medium where people are cruel and they say things about your
appearance. Whereas you didn't get that when you were you know, when you
were growing up or even your twenty even in our twenties, like in college,
we didn't have that. There was no forum for people to pick you
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a huge gaggle of people looking at you every single day and and and critiquing
all of the flaws that you already know that you hate, you know what
I mean. And so it's it's totally different now. And I listen,
it's not just us, it's everybody you put yourself you just everybody's on social
media. Everybody is putting their pictures on social media, so everybody's opening themselves
up to critique, and so there thereby we're just like, it's just this
weird um circular, awful mess that we've gotten ourselves into where it's like,
okay, well look at me, Okay, then hate me or look at
me, critique me. And it's like it just sucks for everybody. It's
not just it's not just celebrities, just regular everyday people who are like,
I feel like crap about myself. I got to do something about it.
And so that falls into the whole bucket of aging two, where it's like,
well, I can't age, I can't. I got to look the
same way I did when I was thirty, when I'm thirty five, when
I'm forty, and it's like, but I'm not the same person that I
was when I was thirty. I don't want to be the same person I
was when I was thirty, you know, and there therefore I shouldn't look
the same as I was when I was thirty. I'm not the same and
I don't want to be the same. So, um, it's like right
now, I'm it's it's funny you and I talk about this a lot because
I hate my hair and I'm growing and I'm growing because I and I've lost
a lot of hair because menopause will do that. Menopause is an evil horrors,
an evil, evil bitch and so and and I've lost a lot of
hair, and so that's just part of at least that's for me. That's
what part of menopause has done, like not for everybody, but at least
for me, that's part of what the hell whole process has been. And
so I'm like, well, I'm just gonna grow it out and like grow
the gray out. And it's it's weird because you know, when you start
growing the gray out, like gray hair is for some people, it's like,
well that just makes you look old, you know, And it kind
of does, like because sometimes there are days where I'll be like, Okay,
well Gray, I don't want to do it, and then some days
wrong, I'm gonna die it. And then some days I'm like, well,
gray is cool because some of the twenty and thirty something's like gray,
right, and then Gray's empowering and Gray's becoming like the thing now. But
then other days I'm just like, f this, I'm just gonna die it,
you know. So it's really interesting. And Andy McDowell has a she
talks about that. She talks about the whole gray hair thing, and I
love what she has to say about that. You are people saying good for
you right on every it's great about it. Everybody's wonderful about it, and
I it just it makes me laugh. One said. Someone says, it
makes me look older? What do you think I look? How do you
think I look? I'm you know, I'm giving sixty five. What do
you think I look seventy five? Just because I'll let my mirror go.
But I mean, I do know there is something that happens with our in
our brain, with women with silver here. It is true it happens,
But I don't care. I want to be I want to be old.
I'm tired of trying to be young. I don't want to be young,
a thin young, and to be an I old a person trying to be
young. What an effort. There's a lot of effort. I mean,
I'm already working on stain in shape, keeping good care of my body,
nourishing my skin, working on my brain. How much can I possibly do?
I mean I can't. I just can't keep up the charade. You
know, it's totally reminding you and you're always like it sounds like a lot
of work. When I saw that quipe, I was like, oh my
god, that's so much. It seems like a lot of work. I
can only do like four things, not eight. Okay, come on.
Yeah, you know what I was thinking about. And I do love that.
I love that clip of her, and I do think you should go
completely silver because you have the pretty kind of silver, like it's the good
guys. We'll see. Yeah, I was thinking about how there was a
shift and I can't tell you when it happened, but do you remember back
in the way day, like when people used to buy magazines, celebrity magazines,
like even if it was just people or or whatever. Yes, Oh
totally I was. I had so many subscriptions, and back in the day,
you would get the magazines and you would see celebrities at their absolute best.
That was all you would see. And then at some point there was
the shift to where it was stars, they're just like us. They have
cellulite, they have wrinkles, they have and it would literally the paparazzi changed
into getting these glamorous shots into these wolves that went after celebrities to get the
worst sides of them and there, and I feel like that had a huge
impact on the whole culture. And they're her line of thinking, like the
way they thought of themselves. When they would recognize that people were seeing them
as they actually are, they were like, well, we can't have that.
Got to do a nip here, a tuck there, or whatever.
And I just I don't know why that shift occurred, because that was I
don't think it coincided with the Internet. It just seemed like it happened in
print magazines and then of course it carried over to the Internet. And then
what do you think that that made people more apt to be forgiving of themselves
or do you think it made them more apt to not be forgiving of themselves.
That's the thing I don't know, man, I just remember, do
you remember when we made fun of that episode of the Kardashians. We did
a video about it where Kim Kim Kardashian was shot on a beach without her
knowledge, and her giant massul of area with all of its bumps and cellulite
was on display and she was she was living, yeah, because there was
no there were no filters, there were no professional photographers to take pictures of
her in a flattering light, and so she was kissed about it because she's
like, I couldn't control that that imagery. Yeah. Yeah. And so
now not only do we have to deal with people like the Kardashians doing all
the stuff to their faces, but then on top of doing the stuff to
their faces, they also filtered the loving god out of that. So you
don't ever know what to photoshop it to the point where fingers are missing.
You're like, wait a second, one of your fingers is gone. Like
it's like, we know that this was photoshop to hell? What this isn't
right? Yeah, So I mean it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Yeah,
we know it's I mean, you we know a lot of us know that
it's not real, but we still look at the image, the imagery is
still in our faces, and it's still you're just kind of are rolling your
eyes. And then you have people like their their mother Chris Kardashian who has
aged like you know, I mean, like not a normal person. She's
not aging normally. None of those women age normally. You don't see a
lot of the only person that I've really seen in Hollywood, Like, there's
maybe a handful. There's like the Emma Thompson's, the Helen Mirren's maybe you
know, she's genetically gifted and aging normally. But there's a couple. There's
like a handful of those women that are out there. Maybe um Meryl Streep
is sort of Jamie Lee Curtis is one of them. I mean, there's
a handful of them that I have decided I'm not gonna put a bunch of
shit in my face. I'm just gonna, yeah, I'm gonna age like
a normal human being. And then we're just gonna We're gonna go with it
because I've got a ton of money and I don't care. What do I
care? You know's And it just seems like it just seems like a lot
of work a lot of upkeep, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna go with
it, and I'm gonna be photographed on a beach with all my cellulight hanging
out and I just don't care, you know, I'll do I'm gonna stay
as in shape as I can, and there's gonna be some gravity. And
that is just the way that life deals me a hand, you know,
And that's that is that's reality. It's I'm not gonna be perfect. And
I think it's cool that some of them are doing that, and because that
is reality. And so when I when I put on my Facebook page,
you know, like make aging great again, and there are actual people that
I know in my life, I got pissed about that. I was like,
well, I feel like that's your problem and not mine, you know
what I mean. I was sorry that that struck a rb with you,
But I mean, you know, take that up with somebody else, because
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