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show. I'm David Young. Once again, I've got another extra show for
you. I hope it's not all too much for you now for this particular
show, I've got Karen Elfrey making a second visit to the show, which
is very welcome. You may have heard me speaking in the past about the
Festival of the Unexplained, which I'm very much looking forward to later this year.
Well, Karen is one of the originators of the festival. Without her,
there wouldn't be one, and they just seem to be getting better every
year. So on this special extra show, let's get right into it,
and I'm very pleased to welcome back Karen. They'll pray. Oh, Karen,
welcome to the show. Hello, and good evening, if you're right,
all right? Thank you as Actually I should say welcome back to the
show because you were on the show or just over a year ago, I
believe it was, and i've met you since they had again. But I
know you've been very busy, and I'm not talking in your normal life.
I'm talking about in your paranormal life as well. Oh, lots going on.
I know it's been a lot going on. We're all looking forward to
the Festival of the Unexplained for twenty twenty four. I mean, would you
like to outline who the guests are? Maybe you could go through them and
tell us all their specialties and everything for the people out there. Okay,
So first off, we are very very fortunate to have these three guests from
the same TV show. They have never done a convention in the UK together,
to be their first time, and I believe they haven't done a convention
together even in the States for about ten years. Oh that's fantastic, isn't
it. So we have got Dave Schrader, Shane Pittman and Cindy Kayser from
the Holes of Files, brilliant. I love that show, brilliant. I
know, I wish they'd bring it back, but so I think it's going
to happen. Yeah, it's really sad because there's loads more headsholes of files
to go through, isn't it. There's loads of them and touched early,
sort of touched on, like a very small faction of them, really,
I know. So that we've got the three of them joining us this year,
obviously those who don't know. We had Dave with us last year,
but this year we've been fortunate enough to get Shane and Cindy on board as
well. Brilliant. We've also got Danny moss Is coming back from demand from
my Haunted hotel and now also my Haunted mansion in the US manner. So
are we not mantioned haunted manner? I should say held up with Darryl.
Wasn't he who was over here? Yep? So he met Daryl at the
festival last year and we took Daryl to my Haunted oad health and investigated that
myself and Rachel with Daryl there, and now Daryl is in charge of my
Haunted manner over in the US. Yes's brilliant and obviously Danny has just released
his Paranormal Investigator show that he's doing himself as well, so we've got him
coming back this year. We've also got Neil Stories coming back because him and
Dave are doing the Mysterious Adventure Tours a group of Americans again. They are
yep, that is correct, they are doing that again this year. We've
also got Daniel Class from the Hinsdale House and also from Death Walker and Ghost
Finders and lots of the TV shows he's been on. He wanted to come
up. He couldn't make it last year, which was very sad, but
it's great to see that he's coming back this year. Yeah, so he's
coming back this year, so he's joining us. We've also got the wonderful
Penny Griffith Morgan our resident historian now because this is she's coming back yet again
this year to I know, bless her. She's probably fed up of first,
I should think by now. So yeah, so she's coming back again
this year as well. So those are those are our returning guests. We've
all also got doctor Kate Cheryl. She's joining us this year as well,
so she's going to have some interesting things to talk to us about as well.
And then we have Lordes Gonzales and Ron Jacovetti from the US which have
developed the static on YEA fascinating, it's wow, it's I cannot wait for
them to bring that piece of equipment over here because it's the only one in
existence and we're all going to get to witness it firsthand over here in the
UK, which is going to be amazing. They both are so knowledgeable about
the paranormal and obviously their device they have created, so I can't wait for
that. That's going to be It's blown my mind already because they have They
have done some live recordings where Ron was asking, he was saying the names
of the speakers over here, and the static arm did come back, while
spirit came back, I should say, because it's sort of on white noise,
so there's no radio frequencies or anything else on it. And it did
come back with Danny Moss. I know, I saw this was absolutely mrazy.
He actually said me that recording. I couldn't believe it. Danny Moss
in England and the fact that he was speaking also was it just blew my
mind literally. So yeah, so we're going to get first hand experience off
the static arm here in the UK, and it's the only convention in the
UK that's going to have it this year. And then also on top of
that, we have got Dan Sprague and Adam Oakley from ghost Rip Investigations.
Those guys are more known for their TikTok investigations, live investigations they do.
They've done so many different investigations in the UK, They've been over and done
so many locations in America. It's I can't even keep up with them.
Yeah, I didn't too much. I didn't know too much about them,
and I think when it was first announced it was announced as Dan and Adel,
and nobody seems to know what the second names were. Because when I
had your two cohorts on here, Nikki and Rachel, so far, yes
you have, they had nothing but good things to say about you. I
believe you both completely Nazi, of course, but I'll say that very fondly.
That's why we all get on. That's what you're going to hear it
here first. Also, Ron and Lord, is that you were just talking
about. Rod Jacovetti is actually going to do a show with me in a
little while, so you'll be hearing a show from them as well on this
network, So I'm looking I'm looking forward to that. So yeah, I'm
sure you won't give too much away, you won't spat his trip over,
but I'll get enough out of him. I'm sure you will. But I'm
certainly looking for because I mean, the thing is also we all go out
through and it's an evening if you're if you're on that trip, and also
a day trip on the Friday, isn't it Yeah, which we don't know
where we're going. It's another mystery trip again. There is another mystery history
tour, magical mystery history tour, yeah, which I'll try to get out
of Rachel and Nicky and tell me one neither of mine, So I expect
that anyway, but nice try. As I understand it, it's two places
we go to on the Friday. Is that great? Yeah? So,
as you were aware, the first year we did too local on the Friday,
and then the last year afore we only did the one location. So
we've chosen to do another two location, change it up a bit and do
two locations again this year. Now that is the plan. Now the thing
is, there's a Friday, there's a there's a Thursday night investigation as well,
Notingham Galleries of Justice or Halls of Justice or whatever you call it.
Yeah justice, Yeah, always getting rexed. Thatsed to what they call it.
They've changed it a few times, haven't they they have. Yeah,
we decided because the last two years the investigation has been at Bosworth Hall Hotel
itself that this year we wanted to give because people wanted the investigation back.
So we decided to go to alternative location this year because as much as Bosworth
is fantastic, we always get something. It would be good for those returning
guests to get to go and do a different location. And also, obviously
we have got a couple of returning speakers, so it's good for them also
to go to a different location as well. Sure, yeah, it will
be interesting for them. And also I mean, am I right in saying
that? Will they be on that trip or Cindy? Yes, so that
will be them. So really that will be the whole Sophiles taking and doing
an investigation the Goers of Justice, yep, which is going to be fantastic.
It's going to be like being in a CV show. I know,
I just yeah, I'm that little big too. Excited every year. Just
can't imagine it, can you. It's it's fantastic. That's that's my hard
light of the year. I know that. Apart from the whole festival itself,
it's I think it's been a medium myself. The fact that I'm going
to get to meet and work with Cindy is an honor. Yeah, anywhere
could describe it is an honor to work with all of them, to get
me wrong, but because we do the same thing, it's for me,
it's like mind blowing that I'm going to get to work with this incredible medium
that I've seen on the TV for these years and aspired to. To actually
finally get to meet her and work with her, I just wow. Yeah,
she's very highly thought. You know. Well, for last year twenty
twenty three, a lot of people were talking Todave about the wholes of Falls
and saying or they'd love to get to see Cindy together again and we're along
with Shane and hopefully do a new series. But did he did he at
that time know there was talk about her coming over this year? No,
he didn't know anything about it. No, nobody did, right, So,
but you must have been in negotiations with them that we myself, Rachel,
Nikki and Gemma are very good at being very secretive. I know you
are, so we don't tell it. So basically until all of the speakers
are confirmed and everything else. Then what we do is, because we're so
kind to them, we throw them all into a Facebook and then they all
find out who each other is in that chat. Ah. That that's how
we do it, so everyone finds out at the same time. Yeah,
yeah, it's brilliant. I know. The way you do it is it's
actually very very crafty, but it works anywhere. And it also means they
all get to chat to each other. Those that don't know each other,
they all get to speak to each other prior to the convention, so by
the time the convention comes around, they all feel like they know each other
already anyway, which is good for all of them, especially those ones coming
from the US. You know, they some of them are already part of
the festival family, but some of them aren't. So now they are part
of the family and everyone gets to know each other first. Yeah. Absolutely.
It would be great if they come back again at some point another year,
won't it. It would be yeah, yeah, brilliant. I don't
know if you want to talk a little bit about the festival, mean I
asked the I asked Nicki and Rachel the same question. I'll ask you now
about the Fest of the Unexplained twenty twenty three. What was I know it's
very difficult to pinpoint it, but what do you think it was your favorite
part of it? Blind me? I know it's a difficult question as it
was all good. That's the trouble. It was all good, not favorite
part, but for me I did. I did my mental health talk on
the Sunday, which was a massive thing for me to do because people wouldn't
be aware at that the reason I chose to do it obviously, it's because
of personal experiences and everything else and everyone you know everyone, but you know,
personal things that have gone in the last couple of years. But what
people wouldn't have been aware of was actually at that time I was signed off
work with my mental health and had been for months, but I didn't make
it publicly known, and that is why I chose to do the mental health
talk on the Sunday and actually be open and honest and say, well,
actually, guys, you know I've not been at work since June. It's
now September, and this is what's been going on, and this is what
it's led to in what's So for me, I think it was doing that
and actually opening up being honest and truthful were people, and some of those
people were even my family members, and even they weren't aware of some of
the things I talked about, and it was the first time they were hearing
about it was when I did my talk at the convention. So that was
a bit eye opening and a bit frightening for them to be hearing what I
was talking about. And you know, I've been open about that, they
weren't even aware of it. And then my nearest and dearest because I kept
it even quiet from them. So for me, I think it was that.
And it's because not just about talking about myself in person experiences. It
was also the fact that it gave other people an opportunity to raise the handle.
Not when I said, have you experienced this? Do you know someone
that's experienced this? You know? And so other people actually spoke publicly in
that room about their own person experiences, and they said that if I hadn't
have done what I did, and I hadn't have stood up there and you
know, be brave. So people think they wouldn't have actually spoken up either,
and it gave them the opportunity in a closed space to actually speak up
to and talk about their own person experiences. And a couple of those people
have never actually talked talked to anyone. Yeah, you brought them out of
the shield basically. Yeah, and they said, you know, thank you
for doing it, because we never would have I never would have told anyone
otherwise. Yeah. So yeah, that was probably a little bit of a
highlight for me because that was towards where I was. That was very personal
to you, wasn't it. Yeah. I mean I guess we ought to
sort of in case it doesn't know what you're talking about, maybe just you
very sadly lost your husband, you know, just before the last show.
We did it, and that's what you're talking about. Basically, it was
the mental anguish that you were going through, and you sort of when you
gave a talk about it, basically what you were going through. Yeah,
I talked about. Yeah, I didn't talk about what any of that doesn't
know. Festival didn't explained was actually originally company was actually owned by myself and
Eddie. We set it with. It was our company, we set it
up, and he he was with me for the first convention. He was
a massive part of that. He was a massive part of all the online
conventions we did prior to all of that. And so, you know,
I wanted to because we raised money for Calm during Lockdown for the as you're
aware, the online conventions we did, and what people weren't aware is obviously
and he was suffering with his mental health at that time. And you know,
as we said, he ended his own life in twenty twenty two prior
to the convention and everything. But then, obviously I've suffled my mental health
since I was a teenager, on and off, and obviously with circumstances,
it triggered a lot of things for me. So yeah, So from personal
experiences I taught, I stood up and I talked about my not about him
so much, but about my own personal struggles with my mental health in everything
else, in how difficult it is to get the important help and waiting list
and everything else, in you know, letting people know that as much as
it doesn't matter who you are, you might seem like this crazy, bubbly
happy excited everything else person I was on Saturday evening, and a lot of
people did say to me, you're very hyperactive and a bit mad and all
the rest of it, with all my running around and dancing and everything.
But everyone saw that side of me on Saturday evening. But then when people
came to my talk on the Sunday, they saw a whole different version of
me, and they saw the raw, I suppose, real version of me
that I don't put out there to the public. I think that happens a
lot actually with someone's going through sort of some sort of mental anguish, be
it very serious or not so serious. It's a lot of people cover it
up by being funny and a bit like what you've been doing? Really yeah,
So so yeah, you get you get the different versions of me as
you see yourself. You know, you get the Saturday night Karen that I
was. Everybody thought I was drunk. I was actually drinking water Saturday night.
I didn't have one alcoholic drink at all. I never had one out.
This is this is the misconception. Everybody thought that I was so wild
and hyperacticed because I was actually drinking. No, that's just me. That's
just how I am when I enjoy myself. I was actually drinking water on
the Saturday night. So when everyone kept coming to me on Sunday saying,
oh, you must have a horrendous hangover, how you're feeling that vodka drinking,
yeah, I was like, actually, I was sober. I didn't
have one alcoholic drink on Saturday at all, I believe it or not.
Ye, the girls can back me up. Yeah I think they were.
But so you no, I don't know. But anyway, how you are,
you feel a lot better than yourself now? Yeah, much better,
much better now, A much better place than I was back then. That's
good. So yeah, everything you know? So I was on the up
day by day. No, two days are the same. No, oh
that's good. You can only go upwards. Cuntly, You've got to not
let these things destroy you. But anyway, we won't well on that.
But we're so looking forward to twenty twenty four. Anyway. I guess when
you mentioned talking to Cindy about your own mediumship, I haven't actually experienced your
mediumship bit. I mean, even though I've been to a couple of your
festivals and we're coming to the third one. Are you going to give any
demonstrations of your own mediumship or if you've already done it, I've just missed
it. No, I never have and I never will. Oh right?
Why why is that? The only reason being is is because with the Convention
we do all the hard work and we do everything else to put it together
and to make sure everything runs as smooth as possible over the weekend. And
for me, the same as Jem and Nikki and Rachel, our priority is
to look after all of our paying guests and to look after our speakers and
make sure everybody has everything they need and everything runs as it should. And
it's also giving a platform to you know, all of our speakers, our
exhibitors and everything else. It's it's about them, not about us, right,
and what we do I can understand that. Yeah, So and get
and I get to get and I get to sit there and watch this incredible
woman do a gallery reading for us on the Friday evening. Who wants to
come and see Karen Fray psychic medium from the Midlands when they can go and
see Cindy Casor from the using No, no, don't down yourself, because
I think that's that's not really fear doing that because you know, because I'm
sure you're just You're probably just as good. It's just that you don't put
it out there. No, I don't know, not as much as I
should. In this year because things are on the up this year, I
will be putting myself out there more, and I do want to warn readings.
I do platform medium ship nights, psychic suppers, I do online readings,
you know. I do go to people into their homes and whatever and
do events for other people. I am actually guest medium for the Boo Brothers
ladies. I'm actually doing an event for them next month on their guest medium
on their weekend investigations that they're doing. They're doing a whole weekend and I've
been invited along as guest medium. So I'm actually putting myself out there again.
Are their tickets available for that still? If you want, you could
advertise it there for them? Oh yeah, yeah, I think they've got
a I'm not sure how many've got left, but yeah. It is a
weekend in Wales, two locations, one Friday, one Saturday, bed and
breakfast and everything. It's and it's the Boo Brothers. So if you go
on to Facebook and you research them. You will find them on there and
there's a link on there for you to be able to get tickets. I've
also got on my Karen Fray Psychic Medium Facebook page. There is a link
on there also if anybody is interested in attending that. I actually put a
link on the prayer Leble Dimensions pages all Facebook as well. Thank you.
They have the boom not boob boos as in boob. Yeah, it's Sarah
and Lynn that has come to the last two inventions, right, Okay to
scripting it down so I don't forget myself. That's brilliant. So with your
mediumship, Karen, can you actually can you turn it on and off?
I mean when you're when you're at these events and you're not actually doing readings
for anybody, but are you actually just visualizing stuff? It's stuff coming through
to you all the time. I when I do investigations and things like that
in Bosworth, I'm quite affiliated with the spirits there now because I've stayed there
so many times. It's ridiculous when I go on investigations, depending who I'm
going with and who I'm working with, and if I'm there as the medium,
I will get information and I will get things. Sometimes I share it,
sometimes I won't. It depends what capacity I am at that investigation.
As So, if I'm on someone else's investigation and I'm there as a member
of the pub lick, unless they ask me, I won't tell them anything,
right because I choose not to. Because if I'm there on someone's investigation,
I'm there as a member of the public. I'm there like everybody else.
I'm not there to work. But if they ask, then I'm more
than happy to share things with them. But a lot of the time I'll
keep things to myself and allow the other people within my group to cooperate things
for me, so I know about it, and I'll let them go off
and they say, oh, well we got this, and we got this,
we got that, And I'm like, thank you for that. You
just cooperated something I picked up on earlier, but I won't share It's so
when I go and do when I go out with Jem and Nikki and Rachel
the Lost Soul paranormal girls, so when we go out with I go out
with them. I don't go out with them as a medium. I go
out with them as an investigator because as much as I love doing the mediumship
is as much as I am very fortunate to be able to do it.
I do like to go out and I do like to use KIT as well.
I don't like to just use my skills then I like to go out
and use kit and everything else and learn from other people in how they work.
What age were you really you discovered that you were a medium or a
clear boo? I'd say about four or five. I had, what I
thought at that time and an imaginary friend. Fast forward sixteen seventy years.
I went for a one to one reading with somebody and it turned out this
imagining friend that I thought I had wasn't an imagining friend at all. She
was actually a spirit that I was playing with and sharing my toys with and
my dolls with and everything else. Because she came through on this reading and
has been with me ever since. And yeah, I kind of that was
my first thing. And then I realized, so is she actually a spirit?
Glad you think? Or s is just someone? Yeah? So once
I started developing and realizing it's time to do something about this and learn how
to do it properly and to protect myself and everything else. Yes, so
she's still around. She's still around, she still helps me and everything else.
But yeah, when I got into my teenage years, I realized that
actually, this isn't normal for everyone. So I kind of shied away from
it and didn't really do anything about it. And then as I got a
bit older, I was like, actually, you know, I started going
to church, spiritual church. I started going to platform events and wander and
readings and everything else. I was like, you know what, I can
do this, and they every time they're like, you can do this.
Why are you not standing here talking to this audience? Why are you sitting
there? In the amount of times I used to get told it, and
I was like, you know what, They're right, It's about time I
thought myself out. So I did in my early twenties, and it's stemmed
from there. Basically, Yeah, did you get any sort of stage for
it, go to your front of an audience? Yes, big time.
It's still scared of the life out of me now, I'll be honest.
I thought, what you may stand in front of people talking. It's not
easy, is it? No? And the thing is I do it,
and I'm I do do it and everything now. But I still get my
moments, you know, I still get my I still get my moments.
I did a platform night last year. It was literally a last minute thing.
They phoned me at two o'clock in the afternoons, do you free at
seven? And I was like, oh what tomorrow? And then I know
today when it's really sprung on, you're like that, yeah, yeah,
okay, then yeah, no problem, I'll do it. And that's what
transpired for me to start advertising myself again, setting set up my website and
everything else. Mm hmm. So you didn't see that. You didn't see
that coming? Then sorry, that's all right. I get it at work
all the time. You have to see you know what I like. I'm
sorry, I've got stupid says of you. You will always think I'm stupid
myself. So, I mean, I know it's got quite a few ghosts
here, but I mean, how many would you say there are in all?
Roughly? Wow? Is there a lot? Yeah? Obviously you've got
the Dixes and everything else, which not obviously, but you know they are
spoken about quite a bit. But it was because it's not always been a
hotel. Obviously, it was a manor house and it was other things prior
to that, and obviously It's like any building, there was always something there
before on the ground, so it was always something at some point, you
know. So there's there's so many layers there it's ridiculous. This reason being
I've investigated it. I couldn't tell you how many times. I've lost count
how many times. And the reason I went to Bosworthorn the first place is
because it was Andy actually, Andy and Paul from Haunting magazine. Obviously they're
Haunted Live, and they put a Halloween investigation and Eddie and I went along
to that. We bought tickets and we booked a room and we went along
to that, and then every time they did one, we went back again
and again and again, and we got something different every time, or we'd
have the same people come through again, but it'd be more snippets of information
on top of what we'd had previously, so you could kind of put a
picture together and a story together. So I honestly couldn't say how many are
there that place. Definitely going to go back and investigate it again at some
point. I'll tell you one thing, I'm not going back to the same
room this year. I always have the same room every time I stay there.
Children, Yeah, so I always have the I always have the Norfolk
Suite, which is the Bridal Suite, which is the most haunted room in
the hotel, reason being because we investigate there every time for the festival,
whereas this year, because we're not investigating there, I'm actually hopefully and they
get some sleep and stay in a different room. That's the plan anyway,
because I am I'm very well acquainted with the spirits in that room, and
I am sick of having missus Dixie standing over me whilst I sleep every night.
Is that what happens? Yeah, So I'm kind of fed up with
him. I don't really want to talk to him anymore, to be honest,
So I'd rather just go and stay in another room and just hope he
doesn't follow me. Yeah. Well, do you know any other guests that
get their experience if they're not if they're not clear, boy, do they
as you see? Do you know of anyone that's seen ghosts or feeling them?
Yes, there is his daughter. I can't remember her name now it's
gone. Penny will slap me, but yeah, his she's been seen.
I won't say by who, but she has been seen in the lounge of
the room. Of that bedroom, and there has been other there has been
mentions of things, but obviously the hotel don't advertise the fact of it being
haunted because you know, it's a wedding venue first and foremost. But I
am aware of lots of investigations that have gone on there and different people have
had experiences in that room. M hmm. Interesting, I mean, has
anyone. I mean, we've had Rob Thompson, who's a good paypork and
medium. He came up with a couple of different names. Were you aware
of those particular names that he came up with? To be quite honest,
I can't even remember what names he came up with. There was a there
was a nurse, I believe. I can't remember the name. Yes,
there's the matron and that's right, mm hmm. And I think he's come
through before when I've been there with Haunted Live. Yeah, so she has
come through previously. It's interesting when when you get different mediums coming up with
the same people that come out, you know, it's that's actually quite fascinating.
It's actually evidence, isn't it. Yeah. I mean I would say
I would think that some people out there who don't actually believe it'll probably just
picked up with what somebody else has done previously. But you know, when
they start coming up with the descriptions of these people as well, it's not
quite as straightforward as that, is it. No, not at all,
because obviously he would not have known that that had happened previously, and this
time around he yeah, he brought through different things then what he brought through
the time before. M hmm. So it's interesting. I do find it
very interesting watching other medium's work and what information they get and to see if
it corporates the information I've got, or a snippet of their information adds to
my story or vice versa. Because I used to work and I don't really
I don't really go out that much. I haven't really got out investigated much
in the last couple of years, to be honest. But prior to that,
I used to go out a lot with Gary Fields from our scouse friend,
and you're still a lot of investigations with Joline and Jackson Lockwood as well,
and the three of us together we would literally we'd put a whole story,
scenario, everything together between the three of us because we work so well
together that one would give some information then the other one would continue, and
then the other one could continue, and then we would actually the three of
us, we'd actually get to the bottom of the story the by the end
of it between us. It's and that happened the first night I met them
both, and I've never met them before, and we worked together, that
we worked together, and it was just wow, it's just mind blowing the
fact of how well we work together, considering we'd never met before. Obviously,
Gary and Joe already knew that they were friends already. Sure, yeah,
Gary is actually another name or what to get than this show. Actually
at some point, well since since I've met him, I've actually done a
lot more trance figuration work, and I've done a lot more channeling as well,
really because I wasn't really I could do it, and I've always been
able to do it, and I know I can do it, but it
was kind of I didn't really know how to channel, not channel correctly,
but how to make them leave and you know, how to stop it in
the transfiguration where I used to find a little bit on the frightening side to
it can be, can't it? You know? I've actually I'm actually experiencing
the transfiguration medium and it just blew my mind. I didn't think I was
going to see anything, and I think I'm what told you just before.
A friend of mine, Frank Willis, is a transfiguration medium and he just
blew out blew our minds when we see him doing it. You know,
his face changed into like a well they had the Chinese and isn't the shape
we know? Started changing and it just there were three of us that were
watching it, and we were all looking at each other saying, now you
see what what I'm seeing, and you know, it was just amazing,
you know, so, yeah, exactly what you mean by that. But
yeah, now I'm like, I'm done, totally opposite. I'm like,
well that's let do it. Yeah. Can you do transfiguration mediumship as well?
You can? Mm hmm, well yeah that's I'll tell you. Something
else that used to give me the creeps a little bit is when you look
into the mirror describe. Yeah. Well, I was on the investigation once
and somebody said to me, do you want to sit in front of the
mirror and it's sort of going and I don't get creeps that. I don't
get the creeps very very often you know, but this I really didn't want
to do it because I thought of something that have come through. But I
think I should should try it out one of these days. Yeah, you
should, you can, You should give it a go because I found out
by accident. Sounds crazy, but I found it back so that I could
do it because I was actually doing a one to one reading for for someone
and she just burst into tears and I was like, oh, are you
okay? And afterwards she said to me, how did you do that?
I said, what the reading? I said, giving you the information?
You mean? No, she said, how did you look like my husband?
Oh? Well, I said, sorry. I didn't know what to
say to and and I was like, oh well, sorry, what what?
Because I was like dumbfad. I didn't know what to say to her.
And I was like what And she said, the more you were talking
to me, she said, your mannerisms changed, said, your facial expressions
change, and she said, then your face and then eventually your facial features
changed, and honestly it was and then you reached out and you were holding
my hand. I'll never forget. I don't remember the reading, but I
remember obviously the conversation afterwards. Because it's always stuck with me ever since.
You held my hand in the way you held my hand was the way he
held my hand, and she said, and it was the way you were
It was I was talking to him. It was like you weren't even here
anymore. You weren't here. And she said. The only way I can
explain it, she said, is that you were him. She did everything
about you, your features, your mannerism, she's like, I said,
she said, even your voice completely changed. You were him, she said,
And I have never experienced that, she said. I can't thank you
enough for it. And I'm so sorry. I was crying so much,
she said, and sobbing. She's but it's because I never thought i'd get
to see him again. And I was sat there thinking, oh my blimeing
what I've I been doing to this poor woman. She's literally I said to
her more than once. You know, I thought i'd asked her if she
wanted to stop, And I said to Hell, I did ask you if
you wanted to stop a couple of times. You didn't, But obviously I
thought I did, but I didn't. So I wasn't even in the room
physically, I was, but nothing else. Yeah, I think that's something
we've always got to consider. Things that come through are not well, they're
normally not all horror and everything like that. It's just normal people that have
lived on this on this world, and they're just coming through just just like
you and me and everybody else. They're not They're not all demons and evil
ghosts and evil spirits and everything. No, I think you get the impression
sometimes it's something like that's going to come through, but normally it's just normal
people coming back to say hello, and and it's kind of as basic as
that, isn't it. Yes, it is. Yeah, it is as
basic as that. And it's like, yeah, that was my first experience
of it, and I was like, wow, how how do I not
do this in future? So that made me go back to circle again because
I wanted to learn how not to do it, or at least stop it
when I wasn't ready. And then obviously all started again because of mister Fields.
I blame him. Yeah, there's a bit of a characters. And
you've been here a couple of times. I've not really had a conversation with
you, but I've been around when he's been around, and he's a bit
of a character. I must I must get I must get to talk to
him on the next or maybe before that. I'll probably get one the show
before that. Yeah, you're after he's a good guy. Yeah, he's
great. You know, we were talking about the scrines just now. Yeah,
some people have mentioned that it's like a portal that you're actually looking into.
It acts like a portal. Is that the way you see it?
See, everyone has their own beliefs. I will be everyone could you know,
everyone has their own beliefs. But I do believe that mirrors do act
as a portal. I generally do believe that. So you're basically looking into
another dimension through it, or you can it acts like that? Yeah,
I think it acts. I think it acts like a portal. That they
can use it as a tool. Spirit can use it as a tool,
and we're using it as a tool. We're using it as a tool together.
The only way I could explain it. Yeah, yeah, that's how
I look at it. Well, I think it's fascinating because I think that's
why it kind of gave me the creeps a little bit, because if you
make it, you think you're looking into another dimension and you never know what's
to come out of it. Yeah, yeah, basically because it could be
Wow, who knows. Yeah, I mean that's what saying. Even when
I would when I saw my friend doing it, even though it was nothing
evil in it, it just it just seemed creepy, you know, and
to to actually see his face changing, you know, Like I say,
is anyone listening this out there if you've heard a transfiguration mediumship but think it's
all a lot of rubbish. Take it from Karen and myself. We've seen
it, and Karen's Karen could do it. I've seen it and it actually
is a true Ethni believe me. When I used to when I used to
work for the Jane and sorry Harris, when I used to work for them,
it's ht paranorl Well. Eddie and I worked for them. SI is
quite skeptical and because of that we we used to always have to be running
jokes that we used to husband swap on investigations. No, a husband's swap.
So Eddie would work with Jane and I would work with Sy because he
was kept because of him being a little bit skeptical. So on one occasion
we went and did the toilets of all places I think it was in Draco
tunnels. So we had all these little candles and everything set up in the
mirrors and all of that, and we had the public doing mirror scrying,
and let's just say it changed his perception on mirror scrying and if it was
real or not. Mhmm. I didn't do it. He didn't do it.
We just watched the public do it, and so that changed his perception
on it. Not completely, but he he found it very interesting. Mm
hmm. There's not something he'd experienced before. Did you get any shocked public
who weren't expecting anything so happened? Also? Yeah, we had one lady
was quite freaked out. Yeah, so there are going that's another thing that
something will happened that you're not expected. No, she didn't think it would
actually nothing would happen. And her partner he was like, he thought it
was lett of rubbish until he gave it a go himself and he was like,
well, he couldn't believe it. He was he literally could not believe
it because he actually had his own experience. Yeah. I think the thing
is that you could think that it's something going on in your own head,
But what the thing is if you've got people around you today are actually seeing
what's happening as well. Yeah, you could actually were able to corroborate it,
yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, it was very fascinating stuff. But
tell you on this on the on the Festival video explained twenty twenty four,
which is coming up. I don't know too much about doctor Kate Cheryl was
coming. I know she's putting on a few TV shows and things, and
she's like a paranoral historian. Tell me a little bit more about her,
because I like to. I'm more interested to find that was. I know
quite a bit about the other people as much as you can know. Well,
I originally the first time I spoke to her was No, that was
during Aaronline conventions, all right, and I came. I came across like
Burials and Beyond, which is her website and everything, and she does a
blog and all of that as well, and she's she does a podcast and
everything as well, and she was this lady is really interesting. I need
to, like, I need to talk to her. I need to know
who she is and what she does and you know, and find out more
about her. And since then, she's been on TV shows and all sorts.
Yeah, she's been on The Unexplainedable on Camera and Jack Jacksbourne's Haunted,
I believe. Yeah, I'm hoping that I might see her on a few
of the TV shows before actually beat her on at the festival. I may
want the saial things actually, but not actually realized it. I guess.
Yeah, she's she's very much into the Victorians and the old ways are doing
things, and she does love a cemetery and and she's very much into like
the death history and all that sort of thing. So you know, she
likes she likes all that side of things. But like I said, yeah,
she's been on Haunted Homecoming with Jack Osborne, and she's been on other
TV shows as well, and she does a podcast and she's writer in She's
a very very interesting lady. Yeah. Yeah, from what I've looked at
since I've sort of saw her name, she does look very interesting actually,
So she's coming to the right place anyway, if she's interested that sort of
thing jumping about well, will you go on your ghost yourself? Do you
what you're talking about? Kit? What sort of kit you're talking about?
Do you take meters and things? Oh? Yeah, yeah, so because
I know he used that he used to make some. Yeah, he made
what which lovingly got named the Eddie Box by Nigel Webster, which is unfortunately
alonger with us from Spectra. Yeah, so he he made the Eddie Box,
so it was Spirit Radio and he only ever made seven. It basically
gave him something to do drawing lockdown. So he made seven of those.
I have two of them and I refuse to sell them. All part with
them or each one is unique, They're all different. There's the Willow's team
have got one, Dennis Glen's got one, Jolene's got one, Nigel had
one. He made an individual one for Lee as well. Lee's got one.
So yeah, there's I think anities have got one. Off the top
of my head. They're the ones I can think of. So yeah,
he made seven of them. There's there's five out there in existence that get
used. I hope still. So yeah, I do love the Spirit Radio.
I also like using the Ovulus. I know a lot of people don't.
The only reason I do is because we've got three and we've I've said
it now, we've got a three and a five. We were lucky enough,
actually, I say we Eddie was lucky enough to purchase the obvious three
off Barry. Actually it was the one that was used on the first series
of Mouse Has Haunted, So I like using the five, but then we
got the three and it was good to have them both go in to see
if they cooperated each other or it was just completely random. We have had
a couple of vacasions where they have corroborated each other and they've come out with
the same words, but he's been very rare it has happened. So from
I'm very skeptical about them, but I also love using them as well,
because I'm also very interested to see what comes out when you've got them both
on together, you know, emf meters and that sort of thing. We
when we see our investigations. Rather than using cat balls like a lot of
people do, Eddie had the idea of purchasing autism balls instead because they're much
harder to set up. They are difficult to set off. But they have
gone off. Actually that was a Derby and Richard Felix's place. They all
actually went off on the table and there's this lady didn't believe it. Well,
you know, pick it up, have a look at it, and
all the rest of it and you can oh wow, she's you have to
really like be forceful with it, don't you for it to go off?
And we said, well, yeah, that's why I had the idea of
getting them and using them, because it's different than a catboard. Then they're
not very sensitive at all. And yeah, all sorts of bits and pieces
I like to use. Oh I like I like Rachel's flur camera as well.
I like that a VP amazing which when we meet Ron and Lord,
is that we should get some good ones from there. I would hope,
Yes, I should. I should hope to, especially after you know what
they've got already and they're not even over here yet. It's amazing. We
don't know what it's going to be coming up with during the next few months
before before it all kicks off, well exactly anything would happen when you watch
Do you watch most of the TV shows I used? Well, if I
work the hours I work. Now, I know your your work roat is
not very easy as it well, I do the rotor, which makes it
worse, But yes I do. I do as much as I can,
not as much as I used to. You know, I used to watch
all of them years ago. I have My House is Haunted. I watch
Dead Files, Holes of Files, Kindred Spirits. You know that. You
literally just watch twenty eight Days Haunted. Oh wow. I think the thing
is, there's so many of that now. I can't keep up with them.
You know. Obviously, I think we probably will watch the most popular
ones or help my House is Haunted and all things like that. But I'll
just wonder what your opinion of some of the American ones were. You know,
I like the fact that they are quite diverse, aren't they. So
you've got the dead files, You've got you've got the wholes of files.
Then you've got like Kindred Spirits. Everyone works. I'll just like I like
to work about and Project Fear because it's not Destination Fear anymore. And death
Walker, so it's interesting watching it go out and do his thing. I
just find it and taps it. You know, all these different I find
it really interesting to see how they all work, because no, they all
work quite differently from each other. Yeah, it's true, you know,
you've got they're more versatile as well, because obviously you've got you've got dead
files, you've got wholes of files in Yeah, you mentioned as I understand
it. They've actually stopped making dead files, but they or for some reason
because I know Cindy started doing the dead files. Yeah, they're not doing
that from what I read and what I saw on social media that they're not
doing them anymore. No, and I'm pretty sure. I'm sure it's not
because of Cyndy. I think it's I think it's just the way it's panned
out that I don't know. Who knows. There might be different new share
in the pipeline. We don't know. Yeah, I think apparently, I
know a network might pick it up or something. But that's a wait and
see what happens there. Maybe Cyndy can enlighten when she comes over. Yeah
that's wow. If she's allowed. Well that's the point. Yeah, that's
so. That's the thing there when they're contracted for all these different things,
so they have to be very careful what they're allowed to talk about. Yeah.
Yeah, but i'd like to think they bring it back. I'd love
the Holes of Files to come back, so many people would. Actually,
I'm actually going to watch them again. They were so good, you know
what I have. There's certain shows that I have I'm not going to name
names. There are certain shows that I have actually rewatched on many occasions,
like they've finished and I've gone back a couple of years later and rewatch them
all again. Yeah. Well, I think especially, I think they've got
editing interest now because after watching them and knowing what we're going to meet them
all. Well, hopefully it all comes off and that it goes wrong,
but so we're going to meet them all later this year, so that's it's
more interesting to see in the show game, I think. Yeah, I
think that's as in when and if if, but maybe get time then you
know, I would like to go back and revisit some of the shows that
I've watched before. Yeah, because then even though you've watched them before,
you're still like, oh wow, I don't remember that, and there's almost
something you're going to pick up one. Yeah, there's always something that you
think, oh wow, old on a minute, I don't remember that the
first time I watched it, and you will notice different things. And when
the show that The Devil's Purchase was pretty good as well. Yeah, I
have rewatched that. I have watched that. Have you already? Yeah?
It's very good? Yeah, have you watch it? And the oh the
Lizzie Board is Lizzie Borden. Yeah, of what, you watched that as
well, So yeah, I do go back. I have got my I
have got my steaky little favorites. I like that. I'm like, all
want to go back and rewatch that because I'm sure there's things that I probably
missed the first time around. And I think there is a lot of the
time with a lot of these shows, as much as a lot of them
get a lot of stick and they do get a lot of bad press and
whatever else. Also, if you do go back and rewatch them, it's
quite surprising that you do notice things that you didn't know it's the first time.
It's like when you do an investigation yourself and you and you have evidence
and you go back and you well, okay, So Eddie and I and
my routine. Would we get back from investigation. You'd have a kind of
cider, I'd have a glass of wine, and we would watch the footage
from the investigation. Yeah, and then we would then rewatch it. Then
on a Sunday afternoon, we rewatch it all again to see if we missed
nything the first time. See, I mean things can be going on that
you don't see with your own eyes, isn't it. Yeah, were used
to always do that. That was our kind of that was our investigation routine.
And so I do the same with TV shows. I you know,
after a certain period of time, I'll go back and rewatch them, because
with those it's exactly the same. You watch the investigation the first time,
but you're noticing that the second time around you didn't even see the first time
around. Yeah, you completely missed. Yeah. I mean, I know
Most Haunty comes in for a bit of stick sometimes, but I still,
I mean, really, without Most Haunted, I don't see a lot of
these ghost shows will actually be on the air anyway, because that was the
one that was the one we started it all. I agree. I totally
agree, as much as the most haught to get a lot of stick for
a lot of things over the years, not the rest of it. You
know, if that wasn't a thing, you know, I remember what watching
the live. I used to couldn't wait for the Halloween live they used to
do. You know, I used to watch all these paranoral shows. That's
probably I don't watch it so much because I used to watch all these paramore
shows from my mum when I lived at home, and then I watched them
all with Eddie, and so I don't really watch them so much now.
I suppose it's a bit on my own really, but oh yeah, we
couldn't wait. We used to love it. My mum and I used to
sit there and we'd stay up and we'd watch the whole thing, the live
show. We used to I used to love it. We've got loads of
one DVD still. Well, I think I've got about about fourteen seasons on
DVD. But it's like you said, it is true that as much as
people give it stick and everything else and everyone has their opinion on it,
if it wasn't for that show, then no, there probably wouldn't be as
many shows in the UK as there is now. I think definitely. Not.
No, that was really the that was really the touch paper for it,
Or wasn't it as much as people don't like to hear it, it
was I that's were children. We were booked to see the most haunted show
actually in the South End. Oh yeah, I amazed. Yeah, we've
got front row seats as well. So you boarded it blaming it. That
is good. Just before we go to America. Two days before we go
to America. Yeah, or I started rubbing it in. You're going to
America. You're going to America. Rachel's going, Pennies going, Everyone's going.
General and Nikki have been. I'm not jealous in the slightest one bit,
to be honest, I've been. I've been quite so many times.
It's it don't really. I haven't been for a few years obviously because of
all the nonsense that was going on. But we're looking for to go for
I've been for seven years now. It's amazing, well, I do.
I was planning on going this year, but obviously things change, life changed
in the last couple of years so much that it's unfortunately it's not going to
be a thing this year. But you're still young, Ali, You'll you'll
make it still young. I definitely, definitely definitely plan to go next year.
I would love to go and experience Hara Con one of the trips.
Well, I did. Actually, we did have a chat with Danny last
week about the festival. We had him on and had a chat about the
festival. When you know, it's tripped for America and everything, and I
have invited myself to go with him when he goes back again. You do
that when the matter happened or not is well, who knows. But I
have invited myself to go with it because I want to go and see Dan,
and I want to go into the Hinsdale House obviously, and I'd love
to go and see Chris, Mike and Brannan because I investigated with them with
the Lost Paranormal Girls. And hopefully you see Aryl again as well. And
I want to go and see Darrel again. And you know, there's other
people over there that I want to see again and that obviously still in contact
with and you know, not even it's not even so much go and investigate
with them, it's just have a catch up, have a coffee and have
a you know. Yes, like you say, it's the festivally unexplained family,
isn't it? It is? And I hope I hope that everybody else
sees it, you know that that does join us sees it like that,
because the thing is, as you know yourself, a lot of our our
guests are returning guests, and they do come back every year and they do
support us, even if it's they only come for the day rather than come
for the weekend or vice versa, you know, and it's really from myself,
Rachel, Nicky and Jammer. It's so so important to us, you
know that everybody has a great time, that everyone's looked after, you know,
And it does take a lot of hard work. It is a lot
of man hours woman were women, but there's a heck of a lot of
woman hours goes into this. Prior to it, we'd already started organizing this
year is before we'd even done last year's, So we were already onto it
before we'd even even last year had even started. Yeah, well, chill
and I feel part of the family anyway. And I've got the dinner suit
ready for this year. Oh brilliant, Yes, this year. Jill's got
an address as well ready for it. So we're sewing up. We're not
towing up in jeans this year. You're all prepared to me. Last year,
mine was a lot of last minute ordering online because I had to quickly
order stuff that I didn't have and realize the girls, have you got this?
You got that? I was like, no, do you not think
you should not? Like a year? I will do it now and hope
and pray it turns up. Yeah, well that's it. Don't worry if
it's the last minute, do you yeah, because this year it is a
red carpet gala. Yeah, that's what I've got, the dinner suit and
a bow tie. Ye. Danny was like, I just can I just
dress what I wore last year. We're like, yes, Danny, you
can wear what you wore last year. As as you speak of the cleaners,
Yeah, please ideally, but yeah, we've got the festival awards as
well. I'm sure you spoke to Nicky about that when she was on that's
her domain. Yeah. I don't know anything, but I don't know much
about them. To be honest, this all being kept secret. You see,
I've always been the secret. It seems just difficult for me because prior
to Nikki general and Rachel becoming part of the team and Rachel becoming co owner
of the company and everything else, I used to keep seeing secrets from them,
and now I can't. I need to know everything. But it was
like when we interviewed Dave and we were bringing Dave last year, the first
they knew about it was when Dave popped up at the bottom of stream Yard.
They didn't even know that's who they were interviewing and chatting and announcing things
like that because that's how I am basically. But this year they're getting their
own back because they're doing the festival awards. I'm having no involvement at all
with any of it. It's all Nicky and Jemma, so I'm not involved.
So yeah, it's all a bit weird for me this year. There's
certain things I'm not involved with, which obviously from the beginning I was involved
in absolutely everything. You're really the big bossier, so you shouldn't be involved
in no, no, no, no, no, not at all.
You're the king pin. We were all as equal as each other. Everyone
puts in just as much effort as everyone else. And you know, I'm
very, very very thankful to them and for everything they do, because you
know, there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that they obviously, as
you see at the festivals, you pretty much see myself from Rachel mainly because
we do pretty much mostly introductions of the speakers in all of that type of
thing, but nick and Jemmy do a lot of them behind the scenes things
and you know that people don't see them doing, so you know, I
am very we are very thankful for both Nicky and jenvor and extremely thankful for
Rachel and everything she does to helpen you know, and we are a team.
I did actually saw that to Nicki actually the last time when she was
on the show, I did say to her, I think actually quite realized
that she was actually part of the team because she is a bit sort of
under the radar. But of course I know n Yeah. So last year,
nick with the the ballroom and everything, Nicki and my family basically put
well, Niki did all the organizing of all the decorations and everything else.
She ordered everything and she organized all of that and then on the day,
Nicki and my family put it all together. But well we wrote them and
basically blow balloons up. Nicki did pretty much everything else. Yeah, So
that's why we think it's important, you know, to give credit where credits
due. That they do do a lot, it's just the fact that it's
all behind the scenes stuff and people don't actually see them doing it. They're
not aware, which is why I made sure last year that when we renewed
the website and everything, that all of them had a bio and a picture
on the website properly, so everyone knew exactly what they did and who they
were it's really you know, it's important that everyone knows they are basically working
their socks off as well. And it's not all just myself and Rachel.
No, you all work really hard. I know you do. I've got
to ask you. Are you actually you must be in the throes of planning
for twenty twenty five, now, are you? Ermmm not yet? You're
not. Yeah, you're not going to tell me any guests or is that
you've got lined up for. I wouldn't tell you anything. I wouldn't I'd
say no even if I wouldn't tell you anything anyway. That's why I'm asking,
because I don't just to hear that. No, I'm not telling you.
No, No, I'm going to ship myself off to America for six
months and no one's going to see me next year. No, don't do
that. In an ideal world, I would going explore. Yeah, I
think you need more than six months. I think you'd need I don't know
about sixty years or yeah, chill the ninety just three months traveler around?
Wow? Well no, wow, I'm going to Maybe I should put myself
on to come with you guys. Yeah, maybe you should. Yeah,
No, thanks ever so much. For tonight. No, no, thank
you, thank you for Kevin all, thanks for a foining the time.
It's been great talking to Carol, and as I said, I'm certainly looking
forward to seeing you in September, which is the nineteenth of September to the
twenty second. It is, yeah, Thursday to the Sunday. Are there
still tickets available limp pickings. We I don't even know that. I don't.
Oh, I didn't even that's my own fart. I should have got
a look. I'm I'm not sure we actually got any of the ghost unt
tickets left, but it will tell you on the website, so they won't
let you purchase them. The IP tickets, they are very slim pickens now
as well. But then we also have the create your own package, so
they create your own packages. If you just want to do the ghost Hunt,
you book a ticket for that. If you just want to come on
Saturday, data left it, yeah you can just you can just book that.
If you want to come to the gallery reading with Cindy on the Friday
evening, you won't have dinner with all the VIP ticket holders. They get
to have dinner with all the speakers, but you can purchase a separate ticket
just to come to the Gallery reading later in the evening. You can purchase
a ticket to come and join us at the gala on the Saturday night.
You said Friday evening. That is that Thursday evening. You mean Thursday's the
Ghost right, Friday evening is the Gallery Friday? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
So so you can pick and choose. You can do the Ghost on
Thursday, you can, you can do the galleryed on Friday night. You
can have a day ticket for Saturday, or a day take it for Sunday.
You could you could purchase to come to the party, but just be
advised that if you do book to come to the Friday evening or the Saturday
evening, your meal is not provided. You are joining us after we've eaten
after dinner fish. The dinners are for VIPs only. Yeah. Yeah,
I've got to say the last meal, it was very very nice. Oh
no, it was very very good. I did really enjoy that. It
was certainly better than the first one. And I'm not everyone was saying us
it was. Yeah, I totally agree with you. I mean were also
I'll actually I can give you a little exclusive here. Actually we will be
for anyone, because we understand that for a lot of people, they do
their children are interested in all of this, and I know a lot of
people unfortunately have not been able to attend the day tickets and come join the
day previously because of having children in childcare and whatever else we have, And
we will be, we'll be on the website. We are actually going to
do a family day tickets. Obviously, it's parent parental advisory guidance and all
the rest of it because of them. Don't know what's going to be said
in the talks or whatever, so please just be advised of that. But
there will be an age limit obviously. But yes, we are actually going
to distribute a family ticket for those people that do want to bring their children
to the daytime only. That's good, Yeah, it's quite nice. Actually
nice idea. Can we bring out dogs? You can put your dog in
your room. Dogs are allowed in your room, not in the hotel,
not around that, not in the convention itself, unless it is a disability
dog. Yeah. No, I was only joking. We're putting with the
Kennles a breakaway from them, actually thro the ben Moses right anyway, I
guess we better leave it there. It's been great talking to again, Karen.
And I'll put all the links I can on the Paranormal Dimensions page.
I'll put all the links on cane for the festival on there, and well
any any information and put on or put on there. And if you want
to send me any leaks or do you think anything special you like to be
put on there, os will do so okay, yeah, we'll do,
thank you right anyway, I'll do it, Aaron, Thank you very much
for coming on. Karen. Take care of yourself all right and you ye
cheers bye by thanks bye, Yes, there we are. That was Karen
Frey. Take you Karen. Right. Next week we're back on schedule,
so Monday, Marster Falls will be the next show. And the guest is
another ghost hunter and paranormal investigator and her name is Angie Shelley. Yes,
you're another female guest, as has been commented on its sees this year.
So far, I've only had female guests son, which is fine with me.
The only male guest I've had on this year so far is Nick Kyle,
but there are there are male guests lined up. Don't worry anyway.
That's Marster Force and the guest is Angie Shelley. Of course, there's always
if you'd like to get in touch with me before then. My email address
is David Young two q in at yahoo dot co dot uk. That's David
Young to q in at yahoo dot co dot uk. So until Marster Pulf
that's Monday, of course, as always with Angie Shelley. Take care everyone
and I'll speak to you that well. Bye ah. That's foolish of you
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