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Welcome back to everyone. Doing a
new episode of You Were Wrong with Molly

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Hemingway and David Harsani. Just a
reminder, if you'd like to email the

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at the Federals. We love hearing from

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you. Molly, welcome back.
It's great to be here with you.

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David. I hope you had a
nice holly season Christmas. Yeah, Christmas

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has been wonderful. We still have
a few more days left before the end

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of the Christmas season, which lasts, as you may have heard, twelve

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days. I hear about it quite
often from you, So there's two more

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days. You said, Yeah,
a couple of days left. That's nice.

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And you were a little bit under
the weather, right, I am

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under the weather, but I'm better
ish I have. I've been sicker than

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I can remember being ever. Did
you have you had COVID? Right at

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one point it did. Yeah,
this is worse than see, this is

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COVID like it. I never I
always felt COVID was just like a less

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bad than a normal flu. It
just stayed longer. That was my experience

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with it. This feels like a
flu, although I went to the doctor

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and it's apparently not the flu.
And it's not COVID, and I don't

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know what it is, but it
feels it just feels like a flu.

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And I've been down for the count. I have had so much work to

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do and I have done basically nothing
for the last week. I've just laid

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in bed and slept a lot.
So this is very exciting beginning to our

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podcast. I think, yes,
I'm happy you're back. I'm happy you're

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feeling better. You know. It
just hit me that I don't know if

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I ever had COVID. I don't
think I ever tested for it or anything,

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just had some colds. Anyway,
I always thought to myself, it

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doesn't really matter, right, there's
something I can do about it once I

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have it. Yeah, I'm I
kind of opposed to testing, except you

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know, when you go to the
doctor they do it. But sure,

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I feel like, what do they
treat you with? Also, you should

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treat the symptoms really anyway, I
think, right? So right? Also,

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I stay isolated as much as possible
diseases. Okay, so listen,

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Molly, today we have the I
think, yeah, happy, want you

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as well? Yeah, yeah,
I forgot to mention that, right,

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do you do resolutions? No?
But I had to do one for Fox

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News. I did like the last
special report of the year, and they

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asked us to do New Year's resolutions. And I know enough about television to

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know that saying I don't do resolutions
is not an appropriate answer. So I

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had recently decided to. So,
you know, I've been reading my Bible

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since April. We've talked about it, and then I kind of got so

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busy with book stuff that I just
stopped doing it, and I decided,

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you know what, this isn't working
for me to not do. I really

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enjoyed doing it every morning. I
liked that part of the routine, and

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so I decided I would get back
to it. So that's what I told

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everybody was my New Year's resolution,
although it would just kind of happen to

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coincide with that timing. And I
got the nicest responses from people about how

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they do that, and you know, the manner in which they do it

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and all that. So, anyway, do you do New Year's resolutions?

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Not really, you know, not
very specific ones. I just try to

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it when people are talking about resolutions, I'm reminded of the things that I

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need to do better in life.
You know, both on a personal level,

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but professionally, and I try to
just remind myself of those things.

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I don't really have any specific resolutions
now. I don't. Yeah, I

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feel like if you want to do
something, you just do it, and

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if you want to change something about
the way you're doing something, just change

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it. You don't need a new
year as a timing mechanism. And it

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just seems like designed for failure anyway, exactly. So I feel like these

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things I need to do get into
better shape whatever, they're a continuum.

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Like just giving yourself this goal just
because it happens to be the first of

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a new month is kind of a
way to set yourself up for failure and

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as you say, and also just
sort of arbitrary in a weird way.

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Right. There is this one thing
that in religious circles where people just pick

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a period of time to do some
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either physical work or prayer or devotion. And I like that idea because you

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can always do like a forty days
of something or other, and then you

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frequently find that once you've done it, you're just locked in and you do

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it more. It's like a little
trick. It's a little spirit trick anyway.

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Absolutely, yeah, No, when
I do something it becomes part of

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my It's just habitual and you do
it right. So those yeah, Clauding

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claudiing Gay should have a new Year's
resolution to stop plagarizing. What do you

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think? I think? So that's
an excellent segue. I was going to

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say, we have the ultimate gotcha
store bouncing story of all time. Probably

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anyway, for people who don't know
Claudie Gay, I think this week,

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I know this week resigned from her
post as Harvard president. This all start

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a little bit about who she is
for star. Yeah, so she's the

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president of Harvard. I don't think
she's been president for long. I don't

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exactly know how long, but it's
the shortest tenure of any president ever at

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Harvard. But can we go back
first to how this all started. So

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Harvard the day, you know,
the day I believe, the day of

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the attacks on October seventh in Israel, a bunch of people, the student

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group so so onsite some kind of
letter which where they said it was all

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this is before any retaliation, but
for anything that they signed this letter where

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they blamed Israeli's for their own death. I guess, and there's a lot

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of antisemitic stuff going on, I
believe. And someone asked, who asked?

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Who asked her this question? LEAs
Stephonic asked her if people are shouting

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or one genocide of jewses, is
that against like Harvard policy or something?

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Right, I forget the exact framing
of it, but whatever it was,

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she couldn't answer it. She was
ridiculous. And then people started looking into

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her in her academic work, which
I have to say is quite slight,

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right. I think she's like published
like eleven academic papers. Christopher Rufo again,

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I hope I'm pronouncing his name right. I believe was the first person

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to point out that there were there
was some plagiarism there. I would say

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that there were some light plagiarism,
and there were some I think consequential plagiarism

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in those in those examples, and
then it kind of grew and I believe

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basically everything she's written has some level
of plagiarism in it. I think there

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are fifty separate examples of plagiarism.
Anyway, So there was a lot of

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pressure. What did you want to
say about her personally? Did you have

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something to say? It felt like, I don't know much about her history.

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She's she's the child of Haitian immigrants, and she went to Phillips Exeter

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Academy. So I just think about
it like she's a black woman, and

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that's a big part of, you
know, the story, is that you're

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not allowed to point out plagiarism allegations
against a black woman. But when you

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hear like, oh, Haitian immigrant
black women, you're kind of like thinking

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of a certain type of person and
just knowing she went to literally the best

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schools in this country, including Phillips
Exeter, which is, you know,

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such an elite situation. She is
the child of extremely wealthy, an extremely

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wealthy family, but she didn't work
her way up from the streets of Kingston

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or anything like that, right,
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hue of her skin, you're supposed
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when in fact she's, you know, one of the most privileged people in

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this country is just, to me
an interesting part of the story. Yeah,

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for sure, for sure. And
I want to get more into that

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a bit more, because I think
this story actually touches on a bunch of

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issues that are important right now.
In any event, finally, after weeks

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of you know, more and more
coming forward by the way, you know,

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also her colleagues, you know,
some of her colleagues found, meaning,

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other academics found, you know,
instances of plagiarism as well. Wasn't

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just conservative activists who did this,
and obviously the you know what this does

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to an institution of higher learning where
there are students who cannet but just point

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to the president when they're called I
think saying it's okay for her, it's

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got to be okay for me.
It's just completely corrodes, you know,

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just standards in that place. But
anyway, she finally stepped down, and

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the reaction is just amazing. I
don't even really know how else to explain

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it. So this AP story is
the best. It's the best, and

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here it goes. Harvard president's resignation
highlights new conservative weapon against colleges colon slagiarism.

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Now, let's unpack this. First
of all, there is this thing

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that goes on in media, goes
on on every level, these stories where

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Republicans pounce, Republicans do this,
Conservatives do that. It is so weird

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to me. It's not weird.
Actually it is wrong. It is unjournalistic,

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if that's a word for journalists when
they're writing a story to focus on

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who the accuser is first as the
main thrust of the story, and then

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talk about what the people did wrong
second. Do you know what I'm saying,

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Like all this Pounds story are all
just trying to frame it as conservatives

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doing something that is abnormal or wrong, or finding victims or hunting for people

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to hurt, rather than talking about
what the person actually did. Like that

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that's for all the pouncing stories that
you see. Yes, that's true that

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you should focus on the main story, and little truism of his writing is

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that you focus on the main thing
and then you fill in the details later,

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like that's a sidebar. That's a
sidebar to talk about the accuser.

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It's also worth noting that like one
hundred percent of every story about a conservative

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being taken down, one hundred percent
of those times it's some like highly paid

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left wing activist that found the dirt
that brought them down, And you never

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ever hear like Soros funded outfit brings
down you know. So, and so

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it's because you know, the news
is whether you what the substance of the

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story is but not for Claudine Gay. Well, let's just mention, like,

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you know, just to pick it
back on what you just said.

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Every story that you see about like
Clarence Thomas, all these BS stories about

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how he's you know, corrupted or
whatever, they all come from highly you

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know, activist groups that are paid
probably by Sourus in the end or whoever.

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No one ever mentions that when they're
writing about it in the New York

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Times. Excepa. Actually that's a
great note. That's a great example.

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So the all these like made up
stories, this potemkin journalism, as you

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put it, for trying to take
down Clarence Thomas, one of the greatest

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living Americans and a really remarkably principled
Supreme Court justice. There are literally teams

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of like hundreds of researchers and reporters
digging through every aspect of that man's life,

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harassing neighbors, associates, people who
ever knew, people who did know

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Clarence Thomas. And they are highly
funded at a level like we would never

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I would dream of having this type
of resources at the Federalists. It's like

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unimaginable amount of billionaire fun going into
the attempt to destroy the Supreme Court,

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and they don't even come up with
anything, and it's all left wing,

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and nobody mentions that. And the
situation with the allegations against Claudine Gay,

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they didn't actually originate with conservatives.
So that's, by the way, a

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lie that comes from these ap stories
and otherwise they were circulating on academic message

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boards for years. People knew that
she had no academic rigor or intellectual rigor,

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and yet had become the president of
Harvard University despite one of the thinnest

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publishing records of any academic, even
at like a junior college. And so

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there was a lot of complaining about
just how weak she was, in addition

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to how so much of her work
was plagiarized. And it was an associate

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of Christopher Rufo, and I'm forgetting
his name, and I apologize for that

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who first discovered this on these message
boards and communicated with Christopher Rufo and then

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with Aaron Samaram of the Free Beacon
to kind of get more of this out

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there and to start looking into her
all of her many eleven articles and PhD

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dissertation and realizing that all of it
was full of plagiarism. But it didn't

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originate with conservatives. It originated with
academics themselves who were upset by her being

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again, so what if it did so?

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What if it was only conservatives who
did it? So what The journalistic

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work done by the Freebeacon and Ruffo
was excellent and if a newspaper had looked

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into this, it would be a
completely legitimate story. It's just that they're

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not doing their jobs. That conservatives
have to do this, you know,

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I mean, David, did you
see where someone said, you know what

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to show that this isn't racism that
went after the privileged clouding gay we should

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look into every university head and see
what their academic you know, situation is.

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And it was hilarious because of course
conservatives are like, no, absolutely

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we should because there terms are acceptable
and they're all awful, so we would

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be happy to look into any one
of them. Now, this isn't some

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listen, I think again, a
lot of times I do think the plagiarism

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flame has been weaponized to use a
term of like the activists left, but

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this is not one of those cases. It was rampant in all the things

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she did, and they're like,
well, none of her ideas were stolen,

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but her ideas were just gibberish nonsense. And you know, you can't

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simply take big chunks of other people's
work and not attribute it. It's just

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it's one of the key you know, it'll get you fired from any use

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to be able to you know,
you get fired from any news, maybe

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you get fired from you know,
any university for that kind of transgression.

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sometimes been annoyed by how I think we

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even maybe talked about this a couple
of weeks ago, about how someone will

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describe something very in a very similar
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but there aren't really that many ways
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people, oh, plagiarism. It's
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we're talking about. But the examples
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whole chunk of someone else's thesis and
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the CNN guy said it wasn't that
she plagiarized, it's that she took other

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people's work without attribution. Yeah.
I was like, does this man know

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what plagiarism? How to define plagiarism? Well, yeah, well let's get

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into that. In a moment,
I quickly wanted to mention something, just

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one last word on the whole Clarence
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those two. When they write those
stories, there's nothing there most of the

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time or all the time, but
they use this performative, overwrought language to

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make it sound like it is something, Whereas at the same time, when

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they write about Claudine Gay or whoever, they purposefully either deflect or minimize everything.

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And this is a kind of bi
it's not even a bias. It's

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an activism that you should not be
doing but for the AP. But you

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know, if you're younger, you
might not realize, like AP was the

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gold standard in straightforward journalism ten years
ago, twenty years ago, thirty for

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I don't know if they were always
that great. They always had a bias,

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yes, but they were more straightforward
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Times or the Washington Post. At
least that was my I actually worked at

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AP for a little bit earlier my
career. But now, like that's a

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new story. That was a new
that headline was on a new story.

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Now let me read you another line
from this new story. I have always

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sort of oscillated between thinking people are
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one. Maybe they're both sometimes.
But there's a line in here that is

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great. So this is in the
middle of the story on X formerly Twitter.

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This is about Christopher Rufo. He
wrote quote scalped as if gay was

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a trophy of violence, invoking a
gruesome practice taken up by white colonists who

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sought to eradicate Native Americans. So
before we even talking about this, that

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story went through an editor, and
that story went through a copy editor,

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and that story someone put up on
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And none of those people knew that
scalped. All those people thought white colonists

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were scalping. I mean, I'm
glad you can laugh about probably at Clouding

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Gay's academic institutions. That's what they
teach, you, know, when they're

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doing your land acknowledgment about like the
unbelievable peacefulness of the Native tribes that were

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completely peaceful until the white man came
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that's what they're being taught. They
don't realize, No, I actually think

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you're onto something. I don't know
that they taught them to that that,

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but they definitely teach them that because
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your cultural history, or you're just
your history, you are prone to doing

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the bad things. While the people
who have the other kind of color skin

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and come from you know, poorer
places than poor have are the victims all

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the time. So you when you
hear something bad happening, you immediately your

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reflex is to just assign that bad
thing to the white people. And that

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is actually like the core of this
problem in a way that everyone talks about

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skin color like it is some you
know, like it defines you in some

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way. You know, it defines
your work, or it defines anything about

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you that that's worth thinking about.
And you can see just like I've got

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who it was saying, you know, we have to name another black woman

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now as president of Harvard, you
know, and then when people pointing out

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that it should be some conservative,
he's like, yeah, to you people,

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black people are all interchangeable. No, to you, they're interchangeable.

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So let's just talk about this for
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Well, how about this, I'll
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understand the defense of this at all. Like basically a bunch of leftists are

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now like this is a hit job. This is like are they saying that

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lagiarism's okay if you're black. I
don't really understand even what they're arguing exactly

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like you what I'm saying. I
think there was someone who published something about

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how critiques of plagiarism or white supremacy, But I'm losing track of what people

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are mocking in terms of critical race
theory and what's actual critical race theory.

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So I, I don't know.
It's been very interesting to see just how

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upset people are that the president of
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This does remind me. I was
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and Harvard Law, and he was
saying, he was joking, this isn't

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actually true, but he was like
loving what was happening, even though he

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was saying, this material materially decreases
the value of his degrees, but he's

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so enjoying what's happening to Clauding Gaye
that he feels like it's worth it.

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He was joking that his politics were
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I think, how quickly just quickly
say interject there. It literally took fifty

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instances of for her to get to
step down. She wasn't even fired,

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do you know what I'm saying?
Like, or you know, maybe she

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was pushed out, but it literally
you had to find that many just to

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get her. And even then she
is like put up as this victim of

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some kind of conservative you know,
loot to undermine universities actually one of the

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worst things. I know, it's
really wrong to steal other people's work,

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so I don't want to belittle that, but I thought her resignation letter was

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one of the most appalling things I
had seen, where she blames racism for

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her theft of other people's work.
She doesn't even say that, She just

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basically says, like, calling me
out on my theft of other people's work

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is racism, and I've been subjected
to racism. The letter was the letter

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yet to not say, to not
say you've been chastened, that you'll be

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more careful that you you know,
and to speak well of everybody involved,

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but to lash out. And again, she's not some like child of poverty.

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She's a child of a wealthy family
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And to play this race victimhood is
just obscene to me. Well, Harvard

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is like the apex of supposed to
be the apex of American you know,

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education, right, Harvard matters like
a lot of our leaders and a lot

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of our you know. Yeah,
go on, No, I think they

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I think that's why people are upset. I think they realize like they've been

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able like the the leftist elite has
been able to lord over everybody using this

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like belief that Harvard educated people are
worthy of ruling over us, and that

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they have better ideas and better policy
ideas, and that they're more moral and

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they're more just, and so taking
down the president of Harvard is during an

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era when people are starting to see
so so in so many places that the

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emperor has no clothes. It is
really humiliating to the left because they they

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kind of sense that maybe they're idiots
and that they're not very well educated,

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and that they're not very smart,
and they that it's all like a web

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of lies that they should have any
authority over the normal people. They're the

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ones who, for instance, you
know, pushed all of the COVID hysteria

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while the people that they look down
on looked at those rules with skepticism.

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And then the people they looked down
on turned out to be right and they

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turned out to be the fools.
And then this is sort of like a

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really credential example, the credential example
of it for them, and it's very

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humiliating. I think they're embarrassed,
they're humiliated, they and they feel insecure

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and now everybody's like pointing and laughing
at them and it's glorious. Yeah.

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At some point, I think in
our debate, credentialism sort of trumped actual

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knowledge because a lot of these people
who go to these schools are educated in

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kind of like pseudo intellectual gibberish of
intersectionality of whatever, and they don't make

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much sense to me at all.
Let's talk a little bit about the reaction

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again. Now this is Jonathan Shape. He says, this is what kind

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of trap repos specializes in exploiting.
The rufo's trap was that he went back

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thirty years and he got Claudine Gay
to plagiarize over and over again, so

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that later on, when the time
was right, he could trap, you

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know, he could get her,
Like it's how's this a trap? But

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anyway, he tax targets with high
ethical standards, which he himself doesn't care

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about at all, forcing them to
choose between maintaining their standards and resisting his

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nakedly, his nakedly political agenda.
I made this argument many times. I

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don't care if you have a political
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is true, Like that's what matters. People went after Nixon had a political

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agenda. People went after Clinton had
a political agenda, but the things they

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were talking about were real and you
know or you know whatever. So I

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don't understand why that matters so much
now in this in this scenario, is

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it Harvard that had the high ethical
standards, because it's certainly not because she

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doesn't make sense, you're right,
But also Harvard never never asked for her

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resignation publicly, So where are these
high ethical standards that they had, I

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mean, according to the public knowledge, she simply resigned of her own volition

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through no pressure from Harvard. Harvard
stood behind her, stood beside her at

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the entire process, even just like
hiring her showed not the best standards,

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certainly not good academic standards. Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. It's

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just anger that that RUFO won in
a way. I mean, of course

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it has a political agenda, but
you know, his target. He's not

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targeting some you know, professor of
biology who's teaching normal things. He's targeting

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someone who a is guilty. And
there's no First of all, I would

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love to ask these people, is
plagiarism okay? Is it okay for the

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president of Harvard to plagiarize and if
so, wise because she's black, is

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because she's a one. And don't
you think that it's racist to think to

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believe that black people can't achieve or
do the same things that a white president

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would. I mean to me,
that seems racist, I mean legitimately because

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it is. Yes, yeah,
And this is a whole affirmative action argument,

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right, And there is now this
woman who cheated her way to the

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top. In some ways, she
has ruined the reputation of a lot of

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good academics who are black, because
a lot of people now look at high

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achieving African Americans and universities and say, are they there because of affirm you

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know, this kind of affirmative action, and that's unfair to them, but

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they don't care, right, they
will defend the person who who is who

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is a plagiarist. So did you
see that race hustler Ibram x Kendy he

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had, Oh yeah, yeah,
what did he say? He was saying

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he was he was saying, he
was saying that. I mean, listen,

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he's an identitarian, he's a true, true racist. So his view

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is that any one who goes after
a black woman is doing it because of

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the color of her skin. Now, let me ask you something doesn't even

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make sense to me, Like we're
you know, conservatives are out there going

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after Joe Biden. He's not black. I mean, I just is there.

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It's not like conservatives are who is
that guy? Who is that?

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I read it. When a racist
mob attacks a black person, it finds

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a seemingly legitimate reason for the attack
that allows for it to accrue popular support

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and credibility, and which allows the
growing mob to deny they are attacking the

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person in this way because the person
is black, and it goes on from

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there. I just think what's funny
about it is. Of course, what

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actually got Clouding Gay in trouble was
her testimony where she said that depending on

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the context, it's okay to call
for the genocide of Jews on the Harvard

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campus. And she's not the first
president to get attention from people. The

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University of Pennsylvania president was already five
or the same disastrous congressional testimony performance.

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So the idea that and by the
way, that University of Pennsylvania president is

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not a black woman, white woman. So the Ibram x Kenny does not

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even know enough about the context in
which attention was brought to cluding Gay to

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understand that his thesis doesn't bear free. First of all, a person who

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writes a sentence like that should not
be in academia at all, or maybe

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they need to be an academia.
I don't know. You know, Kenny

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was the guy who said that Amy
Coney Barrett adopted kids to like, adopted

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Haitian kids to like further slavery or
something. I forget what it was.

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Listen, I don't know why anyone
takes them seriously. What they do is

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a best selling author and so on. Anyway, it kind of surprises me

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how big this story is in the
sense of the reaction being so passionate,

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because I feel like if this was
some conservative, even someone I liked,

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you know, some academic, I
wouldn't feel the need to protect them over

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the plagiar I'd say, listen,
you know, they had good ideas or

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whatever. I'm sorry that they did
this. I wouldn't feel the need to

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protect them or defend them over bad
behavior. So it's almost like I don't

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think that they I think they deserve
different standards than other people or something.

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Do you know I'm saying like they
don't believe in neutral principles. They don't

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believe in neutral standards anymore. I
don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

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I do think that tribalism is not
the worst. This is something I

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think you and I disagree about quite
a bit. I do not view tribalism

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as like a dirty word. And
there is something good about wanting to defend

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your own people. There is a
virtue in that, wanting to protect and

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defend the people in your in group. Conservatives are very bad at that.

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They're like, the moment trouble comes
to someone in their in group, they

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like toss that person over board.
And the left shows the other extreme error

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here, I think, which is
to defend it at all costs and to

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have no principles that you hold to
in this case. I'm not saying that's

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like universal for either group. It's
interesting. I'm probably naive here, but

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I think that the reason as many
conservatives don't view power in the same way

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maybe, and they view like they
like process. They like let's say,

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constitutional process. So for them,
it's more about less about people in positions

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than a system let's say, you
know, or something like that. But

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I don't know. I don't know
if this relates. But I do remember

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when the allegations came against Brett Kavanaugh, I was in a I think I

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think I just talked about this too. I was in a group of people

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where some of the journalists on the
right were like, boy, this sounds

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serious. And my first instinct was, this sounds a lot like what they

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tried to do against Clarence And I
don't trust the Washington Post. So if

407
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,480
they're going to prove to me that
Brett Kavanaugh, a federal judge for twelve

408
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,400
years, is a serial gang rape
or you know, as a rapist,

409
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:17,440
I'm going to demand a hell of
a lot more than whatever this thinly like

410
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,599
weirdly written Washington Post story is.
That was like my initial instinct, and

411
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:29,039
you could you could view that as
bad, like I should have just you

412
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,839
know, taken the Washington Post at
face value and that I was being too

413
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,599
tribalistic. But I also just think
the context of the battle is important too.

414
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,680
I think the fact that Christopher Ruffo
telegraphs that he's coming after Clouding Gay

415
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:51,599
because she is advancing dangerous ideology like
DEI racism, gives people on the left

416
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:59,519
this belief that they can therefore defend
her on the same grounds. Yeah,

417
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,960
what do you think. I think
that's right. I just going back to

418
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:06,839
Kavanaugh and stuff like that. A
long time ago, when I was a

419
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,400
young person, like there was bias
in papers. But if the Washington Post,

420
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,599
let's say, came forward with the
story and said they knew something had

421
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720
happened, you know they had sources
that said that, you would have to

422
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,920
trust that that was true, because
there's no way you'd think in your mind

423
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,720
that they would publish this if someone
hadn't said it or if it wasn't true.

424
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,880
But that is no longer the case. It's the opposite, right,

425
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:31,559
But it's also in a sense unfalsifiable. Like the Russia collusion hopes. When

426
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,880
it first happened, you're like shell
shocked a little bit. You're like,

427
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,519
I don't know, it sounds pretty
crazy, right, Like, but would

428
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,240
all these papers, would all these
people in government say it's true if it

429
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,200
wasn't, Well, yeah they would. But at that time, you know,

430
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,720
it was a little you know,
and I know that you were quickly

431
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,319
skeptical of it, and I was
skeptical a little later. But initially for

432
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,119
a normal person, it's like,
whoa, you know, this is a

433
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:59,759
big deal, and they wouldn't move
forward with this without it being true.

434
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,359
I think now we don't trust papers
at all, so I wouldn't trust them.

435
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,079
But at the time in the past, it was a little bit different.

436
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,799
So even with Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh was
the moment I think that broke me

437
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:15,559
completely, Like I just was so
angry about it because it was exactly what

438
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,880
happened to Clarence Thomas. Like even
the way they unfolded the whole thing was

439
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:27,680
almost the same, except the difference
was the charges were so odious and despicable.

440
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,680
They were worse than what they said
about Clarence Thomas. And they still

441
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,079
run around saying that there are two
sexual predators on the court, like all

442
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,839
I see it all the time anyway, Yeah, I think it all ties

443
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,039
in, It all ties into each
other. And it's my point was only

444
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,160
that they can't even take a loss
when it's so obvious. You know,

445
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:51,160
this is just a clear loss.
She's obviously not a good academic. And

446
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880
by the way, is this true, because I couldn't really find it's she

447
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,799
still works there, she's still pulling
in a nine hundred thousand dollars check.

448
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:05,200
Yeah, I think so. I
believe that's the case. I do think

449
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:13,000
the DEI thing is interesting. It's
also not just Harvard that has been brought

450
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,400
low through its devotion to DEI.
This is the Diversity, Equity Inclusion racism

451
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:27,840
program. So they rebranded racism as
DEI to advantage what they called disadvantage groups

452
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,559
and to disadvantage what they call advantaged
groups. And it has been just a

453
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,920
complete you know, just this is
a great way to show what kind of

454
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,760
failure it is when you pick people
for racist reasons instead of academic performance or

455
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,280
leadership ability, you have problems like
this arise. Corporations are also feeling the

456
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,239
crunch during the BLM insurrection. By
the way, I just want to say

457
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,800
a listener was pointing out that the
BLM riots of twenty twenty were so much

458
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,840
more of an insurrection than anything that
happened on the afternoon of January sixth,

459
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,960
which is undoubtedly true. It was
nationwide, it was coordinated, it was

460
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:13,119
done to unseat a you know,
a political party, and it worked quite

461
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,360
well actually, through violence, arson, murder, attacks on the White House,

462
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,519
attacks on the Federal Courthouse, a
tax on police precincts. Anyway,

463
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,960
after the BLM insurrection, of twenty
twenty, corporations gave more than like one

464
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:37,840
hundred billion dollars in in bribe money
to BLM groups and causes, And they

465
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:45,360
also instituted DEI programs where they would
put the racism directly into the corporations.

466
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:52,000
They would have racist hiring practices,
racist promotion practices, racist groups built into

467
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,480
the corporation. They invested a lot
of money, and this was at a

468
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:59,199
time when there was a lot of
money to be had, and now the

469
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,880
money is a little and they're starting
to let go some of these DEI people,

470
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,159
people who were hired based solely on
identity reasons, racist, sexist,

471
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:16,400
or other identity based discrimination reasons.
And you read the Wall Street Journal,

472
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,880
a lot of people are starting to
let some of these people go or look

473
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,639
for ways to cut out their DEI
programs, which have not resulted in any

474
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,360
net gain for the company. And
so I think the clouding gay firing happening

475
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:35,199
at the same time that corporations are
kind of softening the blackmail money that they

476
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,800
were paying to the BLM rioters also
relates. Yeah, I wonder if things

477
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,400
are going to change because of this
kind of skeptical they will. I think

478
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
this is kind of thinking so ingrained
now that it's just tough. And these

479
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,119
are the people, by the way, from Harvard who go on to work

480
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
at newspapers, who go on to
work in the State Department, who go

481
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,639
on and work in banks, and
our lawyers and all this stuff. So

482
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,039
you know, it's actually spreading,
not being contained. True, But there's

483
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:08,079
it's also true that the American people
don't love racism. And there's just no

484
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:13,800
question that the left and DII is
just like horrifically racist stuff. And like

485
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,239
when you look at normal people in
day to day operations, they don't they

486
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,440
aren't racist, they don't like racism, they don't have racist interactions with their

487
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,599
neighbors. This is true regardless of
people's skin color, black, white,

488
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,679
Asian, Hispanic people aren't big fans
of racism. Harvard is a big fan

489
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,960
of racism, and the elite left
are big fans of racism. And yes

490
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,039
they are very powerful, but I'm
not I don't think it's like a lost

491
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:43,800
cause to fight against racism, even
if they have all the power, anymore

492
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,239
than it was a lost cause to
fight against the racism of you know,

493
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:52,480
the slave holders, and they're agents
of power in a previous era. That's

494
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,119
a good point, I do think, and I've said this and people laugh

495
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,519
when you say it, but with
the least racist place on earth, for

496
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,639
sure, and most Americans don't act
that way, even I think Americans who

497
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:10,400
maybe just repeat slogans a BLMA writer
actually in the real world probably don't act

498
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:16,079
that way. So maybe there's hope. It's such a down I just don't

499
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,840
think. Let me buy this way. I don't think in our best schools

500
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,159
there's much hope. And that's fine. Harvard doesn't have isn't you know,

501
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,000
It isn't the Holy Temple. You
know, it's just the school. It

502
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,199
can crumble and new things can rise
that are better, you know, because

503
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,440
I just I wouldn't trust this is
book in the seventies called social Science is

504
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,960
sorcery that I love, And I
just feel like that institution has been taken

505
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,519
over by sorcery. Like I'm not
talking about the hard sciences but the rest

506
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:45,800
of it. So don't we need
better schools? Yes? Do I think

507
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,320
better schools will emerge? I do
actually think that. I think you saw

508
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,400
there are stories about people holding back
their kids from going to Harvard. Now

509
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,639
they don't want their kids there,
So maybe that's a good sign. I

510
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,400
don't know. I think you go
to a state school and probably get a

511
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,239
better education, and then you can
at Harvard right now when it comes to

512
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:12,920
political science or you know, any
kind of social science. Okay, let's

513
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,679
move on to culture, because I
think we've had enough of the dour situation

514
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,719
out the real world escapism? What'd
you do? What you want? Would

515
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,280
I have done nothing but watch television. I don't even remember all the things

516
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,000
I've watched. Should I just go
through some of it? Yeah? I

517
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,079
just say so. Many emailers are
like, your culture sections the best part

518
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,320
of your show. Sometimes I'm like, what are we even talking about the

519
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,000
serious stuff? To go on?
Yeah, I want to hear this.

520
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:38,880
We hold on, let me get
my pen, all right, go okay.

521
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:45,679
I saw Cinderella man Oh with Russell
Crowe. Yeah, I thought that

522
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,320
was joy directed by Ron it's his
name, Ron Howard, Ron Howard,

523
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,519
and she was good and it was
I don't I mean, there's not much

524
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,480
more to say that. It was
a it was a nicely done film.

525
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,199
A zell Wigger. I'm not a
bulan of her. It was good,

526
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239
okay, great depression era movie.
I saw the Red Shoes. Have you

527
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,199
seen that? It was a Powell
and Pressburger film. One of the listeners

528
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,599
had recommended it after I talked about
a previous Powell and Pressburger film. And

529
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:22,559
it is so good. It's first
of all, they're just amazing directors,

530
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,800
and they also did the screenplay.
And it's kind of based on this Hans

531
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:35,079
Christian Anderson fairy tale called The Red
Shoes, which is about a young girl

532
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,880
who gets adopted and puts on red
shoes and then like it kind of controls

533
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,960
her life. So this movie is
about a ballerina who has to choose between

534
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,679
her love of dancing and love,
and it is it's just it's otherworldly and

535
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,320
it's really great and I would highly
recommend it, and I can't stop thinking

536
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,199
about it. So that's from like
the forties or something, that movie Old

537
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:06,519
One. Yeah, and there's this
like scene in it that goes on for

538
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,400
like twenty minutes of a ballet,
which is just breathtaking. Everything about what

539
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,880
you just said does not sound like
it's up my alley, but I will

540
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,960
give it a shot. Ballet,
I will tell you, well, I

541
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,960
do like ballet, that's true.
But Mark liked it too, okay,

542
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:28,480
okay. I made it about twenty
five minutes into a movie called Deck the

543
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:32,559
Halls, and then I had to
stop because it was so bad. I

544
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:38,320
don't know what that is. Who's
in it? It was, oh gosh,

545
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:45,280
who's Sarah, Jessica Parker's husband,
Matthew Broderick, Yeah, and Danny

546
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,000
Devado and Kristin Davis and Kristin Chenowick. And it was just it just had

547
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,920
no there's no reason to watch it, okay. So then I watched again

548
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,679
Muppets Most Wanted, which is a
solid Uppets movie. I like the Muppets

549
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:05,840
a lot. I pretty much like
everything the Muppets have ever done. And

550
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:14,079
this is a movie about Kermit getting
kidnapped and put into a Soviet gulag and

551
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,800
then Constantine, this other frog that
looks just like Kermit, replacing Kermit on

552
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,199
a world tour of the Muppets,
and it's just great. It has Ricky

553
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,199
Gervas in it, and Tina Fey
and a bunch of other people. I'm

554
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,119
a fan of the Muppets, so
okay, great, And then and it

555
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,800
has great songs that my kids and
I like to sing. I also watched

556
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:44,440
Ricky Gervay's's new comedy Special. Yeah, I didn't think it was that great.

557
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:49,480
Also, I feel like he thinks
he's really transgressive, but it was

558
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:54,360
pretty weak. In my mind.
He does it in a way somehow that

559
00:42:54,559 --> 00:43:00,440
seem is careful, right, a
little bit more careful than people giving credit

560
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,119
for being I think I haven't seen
that special though now. Yeah, so

561
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,239
I don't know. There's just something
that I didn't And then I was gonna

562
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,679
watch the Dave Chappelle one, but
I haven't done that yet. Oh I

563
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:16,480
did watch. I mentioned I've done
nothing but lay in bed twenty four hours

564
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,440
a day. I watched a little
bit of The Dave Chappelle Show. I

565
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,639
revisited that. It's just great.
I love Davelle. That's funny. Okay.

566
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:30,000
I also watched The Big Sleep with
Bogart and Bacall. That was excellent.

567
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:36,000
I really liked it. Okay,
have you seen it a long time

568
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,079
ago? Yeah? I think it's
their first movie they did as a married

569
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:44,400
couple. I watched the Wham documentary
and I have to say it was fantastic.

570
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,960
I watched it. Oh did you
Netflix? Yeah? Did you like

571
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:51,679
it? Yeah? Just a thing. I will watch any documentary about any

572
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,360
music, band anything, and I
did. I thought it was good.

573
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,199
I mean, the music is just
insufferable, but this story was kind of

574
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:06,880
interesting. So I liked WHAM,
I liked George Michael, and I Andy

575
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,639
Ridgeley. Yeah, I thought that
was really fascinating to see the evolution of

576
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:19,039
George Michael. And of course it
ends so horribly sadly like that was like

577
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,920
the nicest part of George Michael's life
in one way, but so narcissistic,

578
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,920
so driven to success in a you
know, clearly a genius and I mean

579
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,360
even seeing how he was writing these
songs and producing these songs, like truly

580
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,360
a brilliant mind. But it was
interesting how little of an ego the other

581
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,960
dude had. In a way,
he was just along for the ride and

582
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,159
he kind of knew it and he
was okay with it, it seemed to

583
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,239
me. And he just lived had
fun in his life, which didn't seem

584
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,280
like George Michael did. Yes,
he seemed to have a sense of himself

585
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:57,159
that George Michael did not have.
And Mark was telling me that George Michael's

586
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,280
dad is a legit communist. I
don't know if that's true or not.

587
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,679
Interesting and but with George Michael ending
up with the drugs and the anonymous sex

588
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,159
and the like failures and love and
all that. It was just anyway.

589
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:16,119
Okay, I rewatched The Godfather,
and I want to say again that is

590
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:22,840
a fantastic film. Have you heard
about this film called The Godfather? Of

591
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,079
course? Yeah. I like to
watch it once a year. And I'm

592
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,159
kind of sad about what al Pacino
became because he's just like a revelation in

593
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,559
that movie, as is Marlon Brando. He was a revelation in a lot

594
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,320
of movies, especially in the seventies. Yeah, yes, but then you

595
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,840
know how now he's like, I'm
al Pacino. You know, it's just

596
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:46,360
like boring and he is like in
his eighties, still making children. Okay,

597
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,639
I saw Runaway Jury. You would
know Gene Hackman's in it. I

598
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:55,960
think yes, no, no,
John Cusac maybe both, Okay, And

599
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,119
it's I'm just showing off my recall
on these things. It's this anti gun

600
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:06,000
fantasy. It's like anti gun porn. Basically I probably saw years ago and

601
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,199
forgot. Remember in the nineties,
like every movie was about like a courtroom

602
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,239
drama or whatever, so they all
kind of bleed into each other. Well,

603
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,079
speaking of I also saw the Verdict. Have you seen that? Yeah?

604
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:20,599
I think we spoke about this recent
David Mammott with yea, yeah,

605
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,719
you're right, okay. And then
our family tradition, which we don't want

606
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,400
anyone to know because it's so we've
talked about this before too. But we

607
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,159
watched Trapped in Paradise, which is
my favorite Christmas film with excellent messages.

608
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:39,599
I will say some listeners wrote in
either that they loved it or they hated

609
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:45,880
it, and that seems to be
the reaction of one hundred percent of watchers

610
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,079
of this film. They either love
it or they hate it. So no

611
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,519
one's like, man, it was
okay, no worry, passionately into it,

612
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,280
or I think scarbage. So let
me remind me. So this is

613
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:04,039
Nicholas Cage John love it. It
was that comedian uh I forget his name.

614
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,880
You mean he was on Saturny Live. Yeah, it's a Dana Carvey.

615
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,360
And Dan Carvey is definitely like the
most annoying part of the film.

616
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,840
He's contentionally annoying, but it,
to me does the best job of giving

617
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:30,679
actual theological Christmas messages. Really Christmas
film really particularly about forgiveness of sins.

618
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,320
No, it's I'm pretty I have
to watch it now. This seems that

619
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,639
it just doesn't seem like the type
of movie that's going to give sound theological

620
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:44,039
advice. But I will definitely check
it out and about Christian living and how

621
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:50,440
we are transformed through faith in Christ. Very bad all that. You see

622
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,440
that kind of thing in a lot
of shows, because you take out the

623
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,719
best parts of them and you're like, oh, you're like, you're like

624
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,559
that. I'm trying to think of
some crazy You're like scar face. It's

625
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:07,079
all about you know, redemption or
whatever. So like, what was it?

626
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,880
Girls? Like it's like the most
conservative show ever? And I put

627
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,159
it on, Oh it is.
It was like pornography. It's but okay,

628
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,480
right, okay, sorry that I've
just told you like twelve things,

629
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,599
and I don't even think I got
half of what I have watched. I

630
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,840
don't even remember all of that I
watched. Or I watched a little like

631
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,360
half hour Christmas special by the people
who made Chicken Run. Oh yeah,

632
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,760
yeah it was on Netflix. Yeah, I like those claimations before Christmas.

633
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,760
Yeah, Wallace and Gramat was that
what they did? Yeah? That was

634
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:47,320
good, totally my speed. It's
it's a tale about the redemption of Do

635
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,920
you is that it or do you
have more? I think so for now.

636
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:53,920
I watched a few things i've I
was not sick, but I was

637
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,440
a little busy working on my book. But I did take time to watch

638
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:04,559
Barbie finally, and I thought it
was fine. Like I didn't hate it

639
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,480
and didn't love it. Did you
hate it? I forget I did.

640
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,199
I neither hated nor loved it.
I thought it was way over sold,

641
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,199
but I didn't hate it. I
wasn't one of these people who was like

642
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,840
that was awful. I did realize
that if you watch it, so you

643
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,239
know that like really annoying America.
What is her name? America? Oh

644
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:27,880
yeah, like the monormy in the
movie Who's Yeah, she gives a speech

645
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
about how awful it is to be
a woe. Oh right, yeah,

646
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,559
yeah. Yeah. Hated it,
And I hated the idea that my daughters

647
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,000
would get a negative view of being
a woman, because I love being a

648
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,239
woman and I think it's a wonderful
gift from God, and I hate it

649
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,320
when people are like down on it, and it sort of like instructs people

650
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,519
in hatred of their own sex.
But I thought if you understood that speech

651
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:57,559
as an anti feminism speech, like
feminism does these things to women, it

652
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,239
goes over much better. That's interesting. I did not view it like that

653
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,800
when I was listening to it,
but now that you're saying that, it

654
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,159
makes sense. I felt like a
lot of that speech and other things like

655
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:14,280
that were very cliche. They'd been
in movies before. We've heard women complaining

656
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,039
about them before. It didn't seem
very revolutionary to me. I just felt

657
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,239
like they wanted to make a Barbie
movie, but they needed to infuse it

658
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,079
with something more serious to sell it
to people. But it really was just

659
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:27,960
a Barbie movie, you know,
and it just had a lot of tropes

660
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,639
about men and women that simply aren't
really true most of the time. But

661
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,159
it was entertaining enough to watch,
I thought so. One of my daughters

662
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:38,039
said that her favorite part of the
film was when Ken discovered the patriarchy and

663
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:43,679
dragged it back to barbieland so I
feel like that was good. My problem

664
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,480
with the patriarchy was that he didn't
make it work right. I mean,

665
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,239
they all just were lazy. They
weren't doing anything constructive when men obviously are

666
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,599
very constructive when they have power and
build a lot of things. I thought

667
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,360
it was funny that he had to
like go back to the nineteen eighties for

668
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,320
examples of patriarchy, because we have
we have long housed our way into the

669
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,360
for the last thirty some years.
And you know, it's annoying too.

670
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,760
There are a lot of women CEOs
out there. I don't know what the

671
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,320
number is, but there. You
know, when they showed the board there,

672
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,079
it's just all stupid men and they're
all dumb. Oh. Also,

673
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,639
there were they in their world.
There were no female Supreme Court justices in

674
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,719
the real world. It was like
since the one we've had you. Anyway,

675
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,760
there was one scene where they mentioned
in the background Steve Malcamus a pavement

676
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,280
for some reason. So I like
that anyway. I thought it was fine.

677
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,880
I mean, I just I didn't
get what all of hubbub was about.

678
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,840
I watched Rebel Moon. Have you
heard about this? I I've only

679
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,519
heard of it. I don't know
what is it? Like? What is

680
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:45,519
is it a book that became a
TV series or what's the So the guy

681
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,400
you made, oh my gosh,
I'm gonna forget his name. He directed

682
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,000
three hundred and some other movies.
And he pitched some Star Wars movie and

683
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,920
they rejected him. So he basically
took that story and built out this thing.

684
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,280
It's going to be I think a
trilogy. Rebel Moon spent a lot

685
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,719
of money on it. It's on
Netflix. Everyone thinks it's like the worst

686
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,039
thing possible, and I kind of
liked it, so, I don't know.

687
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,719
I thought it was fine. It's
just science fiction y. It's very

688
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,440
similar to Star Wars. Maybe it's
a little more grown up, like a

689
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,679
grown up Star Wars kind of thing, which doesn't you didn't like you're not

690
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:20,400
a Star Wars person right when I
was six and seven. I feel like

691
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,880
that's a way to insult me.
I don't know how, but I feel

692
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,920
like you're saying that I shouldn't be
into this sort of thing. But I

693
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,760
do like science fiction and good science
fiction moving be honest with you, they're

694
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:35,039
quite rare. Have you ever watched
this thing on YouTube called Tasting History?

695
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,679
No, So this guy, I
think his name is Max Miller. Max

696
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,039
Miller, he will take recipes from
the ancient world and make them or he'll

697
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,639
like he made like Babylonian beer and
he made you know, he does the

698
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,599
best approximation of these things that he
can, but he doesn't use as the

699
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,199
process they use then, so he'll
make what's in rome. They all ate

700
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,920
this fish sauce condiment. I forget
what it's called. Yeah we made that,

701
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,320
or he may mead, you know
whatever. And so I really enjoy

702
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,599
that show. It's a good one, so I thought I would recommend it.

703
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,880
I watched sort of watching Reacher season
two on Amazon, and I think

704
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,519
it's better than season one. I
like it. That's another thing. I

705
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:19,480
finished Slow Horses me too. I
love that show, and I thought season

706
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,159
three was the weakest. But I
love that show. So at the end

707
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:24,960
they show scenes for next season,
so we're always like, I know it's

708
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,840
in the bag already, and I
just saw it got renewed for season five.

709
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,719
So I like everyone in that show. Actually, but I obviously I

710
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:38,639
love Ary Oldman is so amazing and
as you say, his commitment to his

711
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,719
character, he's all in on that. Yeah. I thought season three was

712
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,039
kind of ludicrous, like in terms
of plot, but Mark was pointing out

713
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,800
that for however ludicrous it was,
it's a very well directed show, like

714
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,320
you never lost track of what they
were claiming was happening and right, it's

715
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,079
somewhat complex in the way those spy
books are complex. But yet Yeah,

716
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:05,360
you can follow a long and there's
a bit of there's enough like action,

717
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,079
but it's not too much. It's
just it's just the right balance. And

718
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,360
then Gary Oldman just shows up every
few scenes and you're like, yeah,

719
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:16,119
and he's funny and h gross.
Yeah. Yes, I also find it

720
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:23,320
annoying though, how insecure their location
is. It's just a it's just a

721
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,880
building on the road where anyone to
walk in, and they put like files

722
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,119
in there of great import yes,
national security. And then to get into

723
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:36,079
the other place, like he's really
got to jump through hoops to get in

724
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,800
there. Yeah, it's kind of
ridiculous. The whole thing I mean is

725
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,400
it's not like season one was plausible
or see, like, none of nothing's

726
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,559
plausible without it at all. But
it's just fun, right, it's just

727
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,719
escapist. Yeah, anyway, REATA
has nothing to do with that. But

728
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,719
it's not a bad show. It's
okay. Oh. I also started one

729
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,159
no Go this is why we're here
this week I took off was really amazing.

730
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:07,880
Louder Milk, We've talked about this
years ago. I love that show.

731
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,199
I absolutely love that show. Yeah, he is so funny. I

732
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,840
think so he's it's a story about
an ex a music critic. I guess

733
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,800
he's just this grouchy gen x or
I think it might be a Canadian show.

734
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,360
I'm not sure, but it is. You know, it's funny.

735
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,360
It's the guy from Office Space.
I guess he was in like Sex in

736
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,840
the City or whatever as well or
something. I don't know follow him in

737
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,400
those shows, but yeah, his
character. My husband's not an ex addict,

738
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,039
but he's grouchy, and so his
character reminds me of my husband trying

739
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:50,400
to like learn how to be less
grouchy. It's funny seeing people that you

740
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,000
watched when you were young be older, but not having seen them in between,

741
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,239
do you know what I mean?
So, like, this actor just

742
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,719
shows up in my life. But
what's funny is I was telling my wife

743
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,679
the other day how I like people
ask me, like, I hurt my

744
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,239
arm right, and they how'd you
hurt your arm? And I'd say sleeping,

745
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,199
Like I hurt myself sleeping. You
know you're old when your injuries occur

746
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:13,679
when you're doing nothing. And he
has a whole skit on that anyway,

747
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,719
Okay, so I just want to
point out to bring things round. So

748
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:22,199
his name is Ron Livingston. Yeah, he is married to Rose Marie de

749
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:29,599
Witt. Who's that. She's an
actress who was in Cinderella Man playing like

750
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:35,280
a character who's like a friend of
the Renees Elwiger character. She is also,

751
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:43,280
however, the granddaughter of the real
Cinderella Man or the great granddaughter.

752
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:47,639
Oh, I think that's it,
the great grandletter. Interesting she was in

753
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:53,559
the movie about her own ancestor.
Wow, everything really came together there.

754
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:55,960
I have other stuff, but I
don't even think I should say anything.

755
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,639
Perfect wrap up. And I did
watch Shane Gillis finally that show that was

756
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:09,679
funny, and I started reading this
is such a bad way. And but

757
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:15,639
I started reading Kissinger's memoirs because I'm
so into him right now. I read

758
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,320
his one of his biographies. He's
took. I had such So there are

759
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,079
people in history I have the wrong
conception of completely, and he's one of

760
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:27,440
them. I just think that he
probably was one of the smartest men to

761
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,320
ever like work in our government.
You know, just such high views and

762
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,840
then not high views of him,
don't get me wrong. Yeah, he's

763
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,519
a complicated figure for sure. Yes, but his memoirs are so well written,

764
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,280
and there's I just there's three.
I think I forgot what they're called

765
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,400
exactly. One of them is The
White House Years, and his just uh,

766
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,920
you really get inside the White House
and it's just really interesting if you're

767
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,920
into that sort of thing. I
doubt I'm going to finish it. Beca's

768
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:02,480
like five thousand pages. That's a
for me. And uh, yeah,

769
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,440
well it was nice seeing you.
Missed you last week and we'll be back

770
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:37,400
next week. Until then, Beuve
was a freedom and anxious for afraid. Yeah,