Then the shore, the shot of the slats and one of the four of
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everybody. Today we're doing, um, a little bit of a different film
analysis. We haven't done anything. Why is this all? Scoot over,
scoot up and scoot over. Get in the middle. Here we are.
We've not done a lot of film no whir yet, so let's get into
it. We wanted to do the villain joker archetype because we realized as we
were watching some of these old Noah films that you can't really have the modern
villains that you have today without some of these predecessors in film. Right.
Yeah, And you also did a book report that we'll talk about that overlapped
because you went into Anton LaVey's life not because you're interested in that, but
because you wanted to see the worldview that he had. And since he was
in many ways influential in pop culture, what were the Hollywood things that he
found relevant for his philosophy and then what movies and shows reflect the philosophy of
his system, right, Yeah, his idea basically a kind of social Darwinism,
which we'll get into. Yeah, so let's talk about that a little
bit. First. We'll talk about your live stream that you did on rock
Fan, which will promote here in a second. But well, part of
the aesthetic that he had in the Church of Satan was taken from German expressionism,
yes, and film noir, which he loved. The is influenced by
that, Yeah, and just the theatrical performance. Part of the rituals that
he would do dramaturgy, yes, liturgy and dramas. Dramaturgy self transformative psychodrama.
So the dramas are very important, even going back to the beginning of
drama, which I talk about in my talk, our live talk that we're
going to be doing in la But so he was at. He was popular
during the sixties and seventies when horror was popping off, and a lot of
yes, a lot of that drew from vil noir expressionism, early horror movies.
And like you said, you can totally see when an actor is influenced
by a very old movie or a classic each actor, right, so you
look very bright and shine you here like an internet angel woman. Okay,
and you're covering that here in your rock fin right. Yeah, satan is
not going anywhere in pop culture unless we just can we do mystery science data
on ourselves and you can sit here and comment and riff on you. Okay,
I'm joking here, I'm gonna give If you guys want to support Jamie,
you can follow her on her streams right here in the super chat and
go ahead. So he influenced a lot of horror movies from that era.
Everybody knows about Rosemary's Baby. But I have a quote here if you mean
to read it, says no occultists has had a direct and impact upon formulate
cinematic presentations of Satanism, as has Anton Leavey. Ritual and esoteric symbolism are
central elements in leaves Church and the film in which he has had a hand,
contained detail portrayals of Satanic rights and are filled with traditional cult symbols.
So we watched a bunch of those today, I mean today, I mean
over the last week. We did one today we reviewed Psycho. Yeah,
and M. We'll be talking about M too. So you said then that
he listed a bunch of characters that and people in films that really reflect his
philosophy. Yeah, and it's not just the We're going to do like the
normal kind of villain first, the classic Darwinian self interested, screw the world
kind of villain, and then we're going to transition over into the cho So
we'll be talking about archetypal villains that are sociopaths, psychopaths, and then the
pure chaotic evil joker archetypes. So we found some interesting figures in old films
that didn't I did not expect we would see. I didn't think that you
could find rich symbolism in a lot of these forties era films, So you
kind of have to go back to a little bit of the thirties era,
which we'll do with when we get to Chris Langs M. But which one
do you want to well, why don't you mention the films that he mentions,
and then we'll talk about why he thought those were interesting, and then
the ones that we chose. Well, he loved the since the Hoodlum anti
hero that was also kind of sincere, which he felt sympathy for the devil
in certain ways. So he loved the original Scarface, m Scarlet Street,
the Heart of They Fall, the Asphalt Jungle, and The Gangster, which
he says opens and ends with a satanic statement. And that one's really hard
to find to watch. We try to find it, but we couldn't.
Yeah. The and the idea here is that I am an individual, I
am not under any constraints, a very libertarian, an arco individualism that we
find echoed in a lot of these figures, and that, as you pointed
out, does go back to right, the archetype of Satan in the Garden,
because his whole program is, according to Milton right, be better to
rain in heaven than to better to rain in hell than to serve in heaven.
Yeah, and I think Milton comes up sighted in one or two of
the films. I think, oh, it's he sided in Seawolf because the
captain played by Edward g Robinson, who has an interesting dark past that we'll
talk about, well, dark connections, I should say, particularly to the
Black Dahlia. He embodies this satanic rebellion revolution in himself as this weird sea
captain that basically just sits and reads lit all day tortures his crew. Well,
Edward g Robinson was one of his favorite actors because he played this character
over and over again. Like you said, the Capttla Bay his favorites.
Yeah, the Captain and Seawolf. And that's a book by Jack London,
right. Who we are we going to say about him. We're gonna get
to his socialism in a minute. Okay, well we can do that now.
Well, we got to go through the different I wanted you to list
the movies. Movies Seawolf, Key Largo, Hell on Frisco Bay, The
Night Has a Thousand Eyes, which is another one that was hard to Yeah,
we're trying to find that one, Nightmare Alley, which they made the
remake with Bradley Cooper. Yeah, I did a podcast on Nightmare Alley if
you missed that one. Because there's a lot of symbolism and connection to the
circus, the idea of the freak show. The freak show and the circus
come up in a lot of ways in literature, particularly in Southern Gothic.
They make quite a bit of an appearance. And I'll be covering that when
I do Wise Blood in the coming week or two. So be done with
it here a little bit. It's it's not a very long read, but
it has a lot of symbolism in it, and actually Anton Lavay, for
whatever reason, found curious parallel with this. Now. Flannery Alconnor, if
you don't know, is the most famous, along with Faulkner, of the
Southern Gothic writers, and she was a committed Catholic. She read the Suma
Theologic of Aquinas every day and would sort of load her humorous short stories with
all kinds of deep symbolism. So there's a lot of esoteric stuff. There's
a lot of Jansenist themes. There's I mean, I had to write a
grab paper on all of her shorts. I read all of her short stories
in college, had to write a grab paper on it. So I remember
a lot of that in terms of like dualism, Manicheanism, basically all of
that stuff comes up in her stuff. But in Wise Blood, it's going
to be. It's prophetic because she's basically predicting the new Atheists. So she
has this character who's the new atheists before the new Atheists, and he starts
the Church of Jesus without Jesus, and he goes on this quest to basically
create a christ less religion that he runs, so he's basically starting a colt.
She wrote that in nineteen forty nine, which is, you know,
again way ahead of the times in terms of the new atheism. But why
did uh Anton like this? It's a film version too, But with Brent,
he grew up working in the carnival, yeah ca and he learned that
people are easily conned and that he was aligned with the intelligent people who were
the cont men. So there's two types of people in his paradigm that you
know, the dupes and the dupers. And that is also like Colonel Tom
is handler the snowmen, right, So everybody has their weaknesses and he tried
to teach people how to read them so that you can con them. And
that's a big part. Well, ch that's why it's called wise blood,
right. Wise blood is it's symbolic for those that are not stupid. Right,
we're smart enough. We don't fall for the Jesus religion like those other
people. And that's exactly what Anton LaVey thought of himself, right. And
it also is the term that mobsters and gangsters use to be a wise guy,
meaning that you're not like the Norman work you're not a working stiff because
you realize the system is rig so you're going to go against the system because
the system is just another criminal structure. Right, So that's a wise guy.
That's why they're talking about having wise Blood and they're not fool but the
irony is throughout the novel, she has hay Motes essentially getting and even enoch
Emory getting demonically possessed as the novel progresses. But why did he Why did
you say he liked it? He liked wise Blood? Yeah because of the
cult aspect. Oh so it's kind of like the Church of Satan prior to
it. Yeah, yeah, because his group is quasi atheistic, right right,
Yeah, he loved um. The Great Flamerion and the Great Gabbos so
two more movies about magicians. And The Great Flamrion has Eric vun Stroheim,
who plays the cab driver husband butler to Norma Desmond and Sunset Bolevard. Yeah,
that's another one that was in his collection, Treasure of Sierra Madre because
of the greed. He liked Vincent Price and Peter O'Toole in the movie called
The Ruling Class, which looks really weird for visuals. For the proper Satanic
visuals, he liked the Black Cat and the Seventh Victim is an example of
the way that Satanists behave. And then there was the last movie I wrote
down was The Brotherhood of Satan Children being inhabited by dying Satanists. Yeah,
so kind of a reincarnation idea of that movie is terrible, like not in
a moral sense, but it's just unwatchable. It's really no good. We
got about twenty minutes into it and turned it off just because it's you can't
even watch it. But we're also going to be covering another novel that fits
onto this fits in with this idea of confidence men, and that's the Melville
Confidence Man. Because this is really deep novel. It's hard to explain it,
but it's basically a bunch of rascals on a steamboat and they're all a
bunch of different con men and it's con man conning con men and who's the
real con man? And ultimately it's kind of the devil, right, The
Devil's kind of the ultimate con man. That's part of film noir too.
Yeah, And there's always some kind of insurance scam going on or they think
that that's how what's happening. Well, a lot of the guys are,
yeah, insurance investigators investigating scams and frauds. There's always a fem fatale.
There's always really contrasted white and dark lighting. There's always, you know,
a hard bowl detective of some kind. There's blinds, you had to have
blinds, and a gas fat Yeah. And well she can't be a broader,
she canna be fem fatal. She's not. She has she have gams.
So that goes with the territory. No such thing as a non gam
fem fatal girls dams. By the way, you guys would hit like a
share. Uh, it's civic holiday. Are all the Americans partying on their
steamboats? Um, they're out there with the confidence men carnival barkers. So,
and that's the thing that Anton Lavay was really into, because he saw
religion as really just a bunch of Carnival Barkers, right, Well, he
also saw the revival tent preachers that would come and they were fraudsters, yeah,
and they were openly with the Carnies, but just part of the show.
And they were on the lowest totem pole because nobody liked them. And
they call them a lot lie like a lot lizard, yeah, but tinier
and just in your hair wait, a lot life. Yeah. So the
Jesus Carnival uh tent preachers, revival preachers of the Carnivals, What does a
lot likes mean? That's what they called them, because they were like vermin,
because they were the lowest of the low, because they're using religion to
scam people. I say, so, here is a documentary that we're going
to be doing soon that's kind of a classic. It's a lot of people
know this documentary. It won awards and it's about this guy Marjoe. If
you don't know who was a faith healer I that got exposed or eventually,
I don't know, maybe he exposed himself right as eventually being a fraud and
he came out admitted it, and U you'll see what we mean because this
fits into what we're talking about today. So when when he thinks of church,
right, he thinks of these people get meetings or you don't get booked
back unless you have a gimmick, or as the evangelists say, it's a
it's a ministry like that. It's incredible. They'll see, Oh, brother
so and so he's got the ministry of laying on him hands, or he's
got the ministry of prophecy. But that's a gimmick. And the guys that
have the gimmicks get the big meetings and do good halleluiave thank you Jesus,
what thank you Jesus. Right there, at the age of four, I
had a decision to make. I said, yes, Lord, I would
thank you Hallelujah, and I dedicated my right to God Praise the Lord Holy.
That night which she went holder that cancer had dissolved and run completely down
her face. She was healed by the power of God, and the only
thing that was left was a little irritation mark, a little pink skin.
But the skin was knew like a baby. Hallelujah Holy because she believed,
Hallelujah. When I would go to a pastor's church where hadn't preached before,
and they had sort of looked me over and wonder, you know, what
was I really going to say? What was I really like? And I
just sort of have to just cool it till I got up on the platform
and they saw that I did say all the things they wanted to hear.
Would some of you get out five dollars or ten dollars, bring what you
would for Jesus tonight, come on, my master felt for I can't really
think of a time that I ever believed in God or in you know,
and I've ever thought that it was a miracle of God that I preached.
I don't think even with all the people gathering around me, you know,
thousands of people saying this has to be a miracle. Surely you know,
God has calls you and all that. I don't think with all that,
I just, you know, knew that I could do it well, and
my parents had trained me. But I never really tripped out and thought that
I was some real miracle child of any kind. I think nowadays people have
seen so much and see so much happened, they can they can tell one
of these Schiss when they come from they learn everything, you know, they'll
listen a couple of nights and they won't say anything, you know, but
they can tell after a while. Yeah, they're not dumb. And you
know, people are in challenging Nowdaysay, there's there's one guy that gets into
it so heavy that he's into he prophesies. And he told me how he
did it. He said, right, I mean, he looked right across
the table, back and forth at me, and he told me how.
You know, how he confiscates money. He says, he's on this station,
is over forty states, and he'll go on there and he'll get on
the race. You know, say, I know that listening to my little
boys tonight, that there's some lady out there and you've got ten dollars put
away in a cookie jar. Now, God spoke to my heart and told
me to go and tell you to get that ten dollars and get it in
the mail and send it to me, and God will bless you. God
will give you a reward such as you have never known before. And then
he comes back to me. He tells me, he says, if you're
on the radio and you're going over forty states and you're on a prime time
and got thousands of people listening, the chances are that there are at least
two or three hundred little old ladies who've got a ten dollars build on a
cookie jar. And so if you even get you know, oh, pay
piggie that he was, he was getting pay piggies the scheister way. I
don't approve of this method of paypigain a couple hundred go over and get it
and send it to you. That's two grand that you've made just like that.
And so you know, if you're going to get into big time religion,
this is with the games. You've got to play things like that.
It's a it's a you go into it as a business and you work it
as a business. You know, as they make the way up into the
upper room, oh hallelujah, they shut the windows, they locked the doors.
Will tell their lives. But I see them as they got down on
the knees and they they them to play you, and I see the holy
golds to ask coulding tongues of fire were upon them? Hallelujah? And oh
my, but holy Noster finally found up pull on a resting place for you.
He's gonna do it right now. Say thank you Jesus. M gee
he's the name. Get out, Speak it out till all of a sudden
danger they're not saying anything. Then after a while, but four or five
more will gather around and they'll start doing the same thing. You come on,
speak it out, Speak it out till all of a sudden the person
will be you know, he's wearing tide. He looks like Richard Simmons.
He looks like Bill Walton mixed with Richard Simmons mixed with Matthew McConaughey. He's
sweating to the oldies while he's smoking a doobie while he's right. I think
that you should do the next level of impressions called fusions. Fusions. Yeah,
that's good. Matthew McConaughey, he's, um, that's too hard.
But he's uh, he's meeting cool people. And wait, what is it
he's doing. He's doing new things. Meet Cooper, No, meeting new
people, do cool things. That's what Old mar Joe's f two. Old
mar Joe's over there doing cool things. Gets so over well by the thing
that they struggling. I thought, you know, and the next thing,
that's it. You've got it like to feel good. We got another one.
You know what Peter Shift showed up. How's what's he doing there?
He's a he's a machine. What is an Americans kind of god? The
wine no questions, Jesus. I mean, if I was going to pick
a religion of there's a specific point. I'm trying to go to her where
he throws all the money out, That's what I'm looking for. Look at
his records. He's got like Dewey Brothers over there water you know, Christian
type religion that I had to go into one of them, I mean,
thank god I don't have to, But if I had to go into one
of them, I would, you know, pick the penny cost of Faith
because some of the churches the music is just great and the people are interesting,
you know, they're kind of weird, and it's okay, you know,
it's whatever you bowed every guy closed, hallelujah. I just want to
see the hands tonight. There we thank you Jesus. Are you washed in
the blood of the land. Halleluh. So there we go. I just
wanted to go to the part where he's throwing out that big fat wad of
cash on the hotel bed. Anyway, that's a famous documentary from the seventies,
and it fits perfectly with the characters in Wise Blood, and it fits
perfectly with the characters Inconfidence Man by Melville. And if it's perfectly with all
the stuff that Levey was talking about as his exposure to Christianity, right,
this is what turned him to Satanism, this kind of witnessing these type of
characters. Yeah. In other words, if religion is just a bunch of
hucksters and shysters and rascals, right, then it doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter what you do. So was there any more movies that he thought were
really important embodying these these archetypes. He was involved in Rosemary's Baby, which
they had recruiting posters for the Church of Satan at the premiere of Rosemary's Baby
in the theater. Do you know that? Well no, but I've heard
that people say that it wasn't true that he consulted, But actually I think
it is true. Well, he was in He has an idd there's two.
I can't remember put that down, but he was like in two movies.
Also, he was friends with Kenneth Anger, he met Marjorie Cameron.
Well, I mean he was hanging around and didn't he he's with Jay Mansfield
and yeah, he's hanging out with Sammy Davis Junior. And so I mean
he's hanging out with Hollywood people. It's not implausible. He had a love
affair with Marylyn Monroe when they were both young. Oh, that's right.
You read that in that biography, right, Yeah, and he said he
predicted that she was going to be the Satanic Madonna of the twentieth century.
Yes, and he also you talked about that. He was talking about sex
spots way before anybody else. Oh, hey, yeah, we're gonna do
a whole another show on rock. And just on that part, well,
I think that he was in the circles of people in power and people who
knew, you know, he's he And there was a connection too with organized
crime that is covered in the article I sent you. Do you remember that,
Yeah, yes, The first people that were joining this church were like
baronesses and lawyers and doctors and San Francisco elite, not goth kids in the
basement listening to tool. Right. So here you see this article I was
talking about the FBI, the mob, Satanism, satan FBI that you can't
see the whole title, but here it is I'll put in the chat for
you. And this gets into Ted Kennedy. Oh yeah, Devil's Rain.
I think that's when he was in Okay. But this article gets into the
Satan, the FBI, the mob, the forgotten plot to go after Ted
Kennedy. So the Kennedy's are besieged not just by the CIA, but also
by the pseudo occultists because Anton LaVey's group is not I mean, they're kind
of occultists, but they all so don't really believe in the supernatural things,
right, not really, but he did believe in different dimensions and spirits in
other planes exist. But it's kind of like a it's like a buffet style,
right, like he picks and chooses, but he's not invoking an actual
entity. And to what degree is he an atheist? Right? He doesn't
believe there's there's a god. Right, We'll try and make sense of it
because he can't. So you just kind of have to report what they were.
But does he have a system, Well, his system is atheistic,
yeah, and that you just worship yourself, yeah, and Satan is the
representation of the anti god within you. He becomes an archetype of the individual
and self worship. Yeah, yeah, so, but then other groups like
supposedly, I don't know how serious even a Keino was about, but supposedly
that's theistic Satanism where there is an actual entity, right supposedly, although I
don't know if Keo they believe that or not, but I think he did
well. He was big on set in Egyptian and he they're trying to contact
things from other dimensions. Yeah, well, certainly more likely. But I
just I just mean that these military people you can never know that. I
mean, they're trained liars, people that work in military intelligence, that's central
intelligence. They're just liars. So you can never really know if what they're
telling you is the real philosophy that they have, right, because all the
people that graduated and come out of the Krolean schools, right if you remember
right, they're all learning to create their own cults. That's where Krolianism is.
That teaches you to create your own cult, to be your own god.
Exactly. And he would have no problem if everything he said was BS
because that's part of the Khan and that's the root of his philosophy. Yeah,
exactly. So these things are not antithetical. Let's talk you want to
about Seawolf first, let's get into that, because this was a fun one
that I wasn't familiar with. It's written by Jack London. I've not read
the book and I didn't even know it was a Jack London story until you
know, we started watching the film. Everybody, I'm sure familiar with his
the one with you know the Disney movie that is based on the sled Sled
all the while, Yeah, with Ethan Hawk. Remember that I grew up
with that, with that era. So this star wars Edborgene Robinson. If
you don't know, it's kind of a staple of the nineteen thirties and forties
gangster and Noah dark crime thrillers, and he usually plays this kind of of
a character. Now sometimes he's the protagonist who's kind of swept up in things
that he doesn't deserve to be swept up in. Um. But we'll watch
some of this trailer by guys if by the way, if you guys would
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want to get into some discussions of archetypes in Noah. What we're gonna say,
since we're talking about Edward G. Robinson, this book says that he
was the inspiration for the Um. Remember that devil in Fantasia, the Chernobog
they call him Um was supposed to be based on him in real life or
his character speak up, just his likeness and his character. Oh okay,
yeah, Well he's always parodied in The Bugs Bunnies too, together with Peter
Lorie. Ya don't know if I get made a cop up, say,
and then uh, Peter Lorie's always portrayed, right, Reek Reeky hailed me
Reek do Sydney green Street. I can't do him, are you? I
can't. He's just a big fat guy. Yeah. He just like yeah,
oh you mean his laugh? Okay, yeah, I was like,
I can't do his voice. But uh so this is uh Edward Robbs,
by the way, According to the Black Dahlia Book, which is interesting,
right, he's in the circles of the Black Dahlia people too. So he
was hanging out with George Hoddell, as you know we've discussed in the Exquisite
Corpse Book, which is the Black Dahlia Avenger, George Hoddell being the father
of Steve Hodel, and Steve Hoddel says, yeah, I think it was
my dad This book obviously gets into that too, but discusses the circles that
were that we're running together in the open face of the What do you call
this page in a book? I forget what it's called. There's a name
for the for this page when you first open it. Anyway, it lists
everybody in their connections with man Ray, and with George Hodell and Elizabeth Short
who is the black Dahlia killer? And John Houston the director? And where
is Ewargie Robinson's here he is, so you'll notice here at the bottom.
See if I can show you this, So here Edwardgie Robinson actor patrons together
with Vincent Price, Paul that Goddard, Fanny, Bryce, Edwargie Robinson,
his friends with John Houston and man Ray say the line connecting to man Ray.
Ah, I can barely see that. What do you think? Also
Barrymore? What about him? The granddad Barrymore was in a Satanic click.
Oh, that's right, according to your book, ye, the Church of
Satan. This is Drew Barrymore's grandfather, right, says The famous deathbed sketch
of John Barrymore was drawn by John Deck here on a piece of brown wrapping
paper. Decker and Barrymore were part of a couple of Hollywood writers, actors
and Bombay vaunts, which included W. C. Fields, Ben Heck and
Gene Fowler, who wrote odes and omage to Satanic forces and took on the
names of various depths. Do you want to show the picture on that over
there if you want like that? Yeah, and that's a drawing. This
here is the drawing of John Barrymore, and here's Anton McBay next to it.
And then that's okay. I just gonna show you the other page about
his androids. Oh, that's the pre android android characters that Love came up
with. Yeah, well, he would play with these mannequins, right,
He had a whole like he called it a den of iniquity in his basement,
like a set up like a bar with mannequins that he would interact with.
But and he thought that Disney was really good for beginning with experimenting with
the animatronic. He was grateful to Walt Disney for introducing the synthetic to children.
The animatronics of Disney is a preparation for the coming a on of the
sexpot. YEA, So we'll play a little bit of this abergy Robinson clip
here from Seawolf. Because he's an archetype of the kind what would what we
would call this just anti hero? He's not well, he's not an anti
hero because he's a villain. But he is not a he's not an associate
bath or a psychopath. He's not chaotic evil. Um, he's just sort
of a classic villain, wouldn't you say? I mean, what is the
reason that he says he's a villain? Um? Satanic attitudes and like you
said, Dante and that also came up in that Oh, that's right,
because he's reading Milton. Yeah, yeah, that came up in that one
last night. What do we watch last night? The woman about the sister
seventh victim? They mentioned Milton, No Dante, the restaurant that she rented
the thing. We'll get there. Okay, So the ship. If you
don't know the story here, I'll just summarize it. It's it's worth watching.
It's a really engaging and exciting forties movie. But they end up on
a ship. This guy stows away, he's a crook on the run from
the cops. Another woman stows away on this ship who's also on the run.
On the Lamb and they find out that basically everybody on this crew is
a gaggle of crooks and criminals that he's recruited and he keeps them trapped there.
Yeah. So basically, yeah, it's the ship is a symbol of
hell. It's right, like, so imagine, you know, the Church
is the ship, the arc the icon you've all seen, I'm sure,
the orthodox icon of the Church as the ship with Christ steering the ship.
This is the anti version of that. You know what I'm talking about.
We have we have the big icount, right, y'all know the icon I'm
talking about, the icon of the Church as the ship. That's perfect for
this movie because this is the opposite of that, right yeah, rightly,
this one, so you guys can see that, right yeah. So this
is the literally the inverse of that. And what I didn't expect was that
he has a library on his ship and all he does is really study all
of the great characters of literature and scripture and everything who are the villains to
figure out how to rule. So he's over there reading Dante's Inferno to figure
out how to be like Satan. He's reading Milton to figure out how to
be like Satan. That's where he gives the quote, you know, the
better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven, And so the whole
allegory, it's a great allegory for on many levels, for being imprisoned in
the kingdom of the world, being subject to the devil. You might even
read it as a Gnostic thing, and he's the demiurge. He's the you
know, socialist revolutionaries version of the Biblical God, the way that the Gnostics
view the Old Testament God, the Father. You can see him in a
lot of these ways because Jack London turns out had a flip from being a
radical individualist, a rugged Americanist individualist, to completely flipping and becoming this radical
Marxist socialist. And I don't exactly know what the trigger for that was.
I read a little bit of his biography, but it's odd because I don't
know if he wrote this when he was still like an Americanist individualist. But
when he wrote this, you get the impression that the protagonist and his girlfriend,
so that basically, the guy who's the crook on the run hooks up
with the girl who's on the run from her women's penitentiary and they have an
intimate love together that is the thing that saves him. So love right and
being willing to sacrifice at all is ultimately how they're the only two that get
away. Everybody else ends up dead and Edwards E. Robinson is the type
of evil evil that is happy to bring down everybody else with him. So
he all he wants to do, even if he's going to even if he's
not going to win in the end, like he wants to take everybody with
him. One thing I noticed about this character is that he fails to take
accountability for anything, which is kind of a satanic attitude. Yes, his
psychology is fascinating, that's a great point. Well, nothing is ever his
fault. That's a very narcissistic attitude. And also the whole sympathy for the
devil, which Anton the Vay said, the poor me. You know,
everyone just dumps on me, so I must be evil, um self fulfilling
type of person. Yeah, this comes up towards the end when there is
a dialogue between one of the characters. Who's the writer, right? I
think the writer. He's not He's not a crook, but he's you know,
obviously represents the Jack London character. There's an author who ends up on
the crew, on an unfortunate member of this crew, and he decides he's
going to write the story. So because of the narcissism of the captain,
he's always asking, you know, the author, how are you gonna write
me? How are you going to portray me? And he's always saying,
well, I'll portray you, you know, the way I actually see you,
the way you really are, and and he's he's always trying to convince
the author remember that. He's like, well, but you don't really know
my story because you know, it was always me against the world and I
was always screwed over, And like you're saying, it's not my fault.
You know everything made this way. Yeah. Yeah, but then but then
at the end, you miss this hard. At the end, I think
you dozed off. But they had the part where they had an exchange where
he's like, no, actually, I'm gonna write you as a really weak,
fragile person, and that's what that's what actually what causes his narcissistic ego
to crack because he knows that this guy's going to write a book about him
and make fun of him and This causes him to crack at the end,
and then he just sort of like goes down with the ship, just sort
of staring off into you know, the distance, which is ironic because the
author gets shot, so he doesn't he's not really sure he doesn't. He
doesn't know because he's blind. He has these periodic blindnesses that he goes through
when he gets these um migraines, right, so he doesn't see that the
random gunshots actually did hit the author that's on board, but he doesn't really
know that. So he's afraid that the book's going to be written about him
as this fragile character who when reality spills in to the narcissist, it causes
them to snap and they lose it and they go off into other dimensions in
their head, right, or they do something crazy like you know, mass
violence events, you know what I mean. He did have a chance to
redeem himself, which he totally messed up when the doctor came out of his
drunkenness and was like a respectable character again, and he could have given him
the you know, respect in front of the crew that he deserved, but
he made a fool of them instead and caused him to kill himself. Remember
that. So there was a definite like turn that he took for the dark
side in this movie where he could have he had just done a good deed,
he could have continued with that, right, but he went back to
his old ways. Yeah, there's a lot of parallels to to things like
novels that, like I said that, I just happened to be covering like
Confidence man. Right, everybody knows Melville and maybe Dick. But and there's
a I think people have made parallels to you know, Ahab and that having
gnostic themes in Melville's novel too. Maybe I don't know if that's the case.
I'm I'm not sure. But in Confidence, man, it's the same
thing where the things that are happening on the ship are kind of an allegory
for life, for civilization, for you know, the Kingdom of Satan.
The ship is called the Ghost, right, I mean, it's it's telling
you that it's a bunch of dead guys, and you know from the beginning
that they're doomed. In fact, we're told that the captain, the captain's
brother has been hunting him across the sea for years and when he finds him,
he's going to sink his ship, so you know that that's coming,
right, and eventually it does happen. His brother, who's the righteous brother,
sinks the evil brother, sort of a cane enable thing. But the
question is, and who's going to go down with the ship? Who's going
to get away? And it ends up being only the couple that find love,
right, So that's the Jack London interjecting classic literature stuff to make it
a good story. But yeah, it was really a good character study in
basically fundamental pure satanic evil, right, not chaotic evil, because there's a
method to the system of ever g Robinson's character, but we're gonna look at
some archetypes of evil that are not ultimately that methodical, but just sort of
chaotic. And I remember too that we're thinking about archetypes of evil in literature,
and I covered the chapter in nineteen eighty four that I think it's one
of the I think he's the most he's the wickedest villain of all the villains,
and that's O'Brien. So if you didn't watch my video on that,
go check that out. But also whether it's O'Brien or whether it's mustapha'mon,
I mean these are villains that are methodical, and they're definitely psychopathic. They're
not sociopathic. And I think probably Evergy Robinson's character is psychopathic because he's able
to get along and run the business of the of the ship. But sociopath
they're more like the brute criminals who are can't control themselves. Right, They're
not They're not rational, They're not Patrick Bateman, right, They're like I
was given the analogy to you know, Tony Soprano is a psychopath, Paully
Walnuts is a sociopathead. You must start with white heat. Yes, so
let's get to our next villain, who is chaotic evil? This is where
it gets different, right, Yeah, we get a different and this is
wild because there's not really chaotic evil. And except for maybe some of those
older German expressionist films maybe some of the villains in that, which we'll talk
about, this is camp. But James Cagney, Yep, we've never covered
a James Cagney films, So I think this is neat to finally do it.
Character could be an archetype of a joker. Yes, you had a
great insight on it. I think you're spot on just evil for evil's sake.
Um. So what it is is he's the boss of a robbing what
do you call him? A bandit group, A small time gang of bandits?
Ye gang, um, And we're gonna have to give you a thesarus.
I know. They start off robbing this train, and you see right
off the bat that these are like psychos or whatever because they don't have to
cause as much chaos. They already were gonna get the money, and they
shot the guy after they had already got the money. Then the um one
of the guys gets scalded and be all right, let's just go on,
all right, So no concern at all, right, like for human life,
which is the true of many villains. But what's interesting about James Cagney
and this movie is that he just progresses to greater and greater levels of madness
and we get the Freudian and even perhaps young Yan like, there's a lot
of Freudian stuff because the relationship that he has to his mom. In this
movie and the nineteen forties and fifties, they loved Freudian stuff. And you
can even see that, you know, the joker, I mean, he
definitely influences Jack Nicholson's joker, any of the you know Heath Ledger where the
joker's burning money for the sick of burning money. I mean, you couldn't
have that without James Cagney and White heat. I think he did such a
good job too, because you were scared of what he might do, because
he's just he's chaotic, like there's no rhyme or reason to it, and
he'll do crazy stuff out of nowhere, right. Like one of the best
parts is when they've kidnapped a guy and they've got they've got him in the
trunk and the guy's like, I can't breathe and he walks away. Was
like, oh, you can't breathe that and he shoots that much of holes
in the trunk it kills the guy. It's like, can you break now?
Yeah, So the only person he can trust is his mom. Yes,
this is a weird dynamic, which we'll see what Norman bates as well,
because everybody around him is a liar, a thief, a murderer.
His wife and his number two were cheating together. Oh, this movie had
some crazy technology, the way that they triangulated his position and car phones.
In nineteen forty nine, the police had like car phones. What do you
think that could have been like a walkie talkie system or something. Well,
they even talk about triangulation. So there is a weird element to where this
movie interjects the attempts of the police to have technology to track and surveil criminals
on the lamb. Right. Um, it makes me think of like the
Boston bomb I NNG, Like how they shut down the whole city because of
those guys and oh, this is great, we got them, we got
them, right, But it was like total violation of the ideas of American
rule by law. Oh but the auspices were the t R R O R
I S t R on the loose, And you get the same idea in
this movie that oh, well, you see the serial killer is on the
loose, So everybody has to be under house arrest, everybody has to be
subject to the police surveilling and basically you know, coming anybody's house that they
want under Yeah, well that will set the stage for all future serial killer
movies. That in the Cabinet of Kalighari set the stage for the methodology of
the police and what's called the police procedural in movies in literature, and it
also sets the stage for how every true crime slash serial killer movie will be
done. But now you're going through the things really quick, like you went
to the tech, which this is. It is presaging a lot of surveillance
in terms of local police technology and all that, which is really odd.
Never seen that in any movie anywhere near this timeframe of nineteen forty nine.
Um, but it's a very important part in the film. Oddly enough,
it plays. They keep referencing it, right, The cops keep having in
they keep showing these giant gadgets that they've got, right, and they've all
got car phones, which I assume, like Jamie said, is walkie talkies
to the other cop cars. But we're watching this and we're like, they
got car car phones and nineteen forty nine they're over there like yeah, shah
behind him. They had a thing on the car like a satellite. It
was some kind of a yeah, a little U radio receiver on the cop
car, which was which was wild. And anyway, um, back to
the mom thing, because you jumped from that mom thing that the Freudian elements
here are interesting because it's like a I n C. E ST what do
you call it? Emotional emotional I n C. E. St which is
a you know, psychology idea of an improper relationship between a parent and a
child, or perhaps other siblings as well. But in this case, you
know, it's it's kind of like Norman Bates that what has caused James Cagney
to be who he is is that he's had this ridiculous mother figure. Right,
And so while it's true that she's the only person who can trust,
she's also the cause and the enabler of his insanity because she's raised him to
be a criminal. She is basically the mastermind of the criminal gang, not
him, because she's the one who's like, well, I know who you
can trusty, here's what you need to do. Get rid of him,
right, okay, ma, ma right? You basically whatever Moss says,
right, yeah, right, right. And even when he dies, everybody
knows, like even if you've never seen this movie, everybody knows top of
the World. Ma right, Yeah, that's his line when he blows up
the chemical factory. But this is Freudian stuff too, because, as we
said, in the nineteen forties, like Freudian stuff and film was just everywhere
like it was ninety thirties and forties they loved it, Spellbound, Hitchcock,
Spellbound, I mean it's everywhere. But there's also Jungian psycho analysis stuff as
well in a lot of these films. Well, at one point in the
movie, a policeman has to go undercover in jail and become friends with him
to get some information from him, right confidential formula, and the undercover guy
starts to like him and become friends with him, but ends up betraying him
in the end. So he the one person that he kind of like opened
his heart up to a little bit ended up being a police formative. Right,
So he's like he liked him as a brother, and so basically every
single person betrayed him from beginning to like Tommy us. And this is what
causes his psychological break in the very end, where he's like laughing at his
demise instead of you know, he's cracking up at the Yeah. So Edward
g Robinson goes down with the ship and he just sort of has he has
a psychotic break and he just sort of stares off into the distance because he
knows that the legend that he wanted to cultivate for himself as this great revolutionary
you know, satanic rebel like Satan and Milton's Paradise loss. He now he's
going to be made fun of, and so he just has a psychotic break
and he's just sort of like a zombie, right, he's catatonic. But
James Cagney is total chaotic evil joker level where it's like the crazier and the
worse it gets for him, the more he's enjoying it. And so it's
like he wants to go out in a blaze of glory. Right, Yeah,
So the white heat is like it just gets hotter and hotter and hotter
and hotter, and he throws more on the fire, like the crazier it
gets. If you think at the end, when he's at the chemical factory,
like there is no hope. He's got to give up. I mean,
there's no way for him to get away from the cops that have completely
surrounded this giant, bizarre chemical factory. And instead of giving up, when
he's got snipers pointed at him, he literally just shoots the giant epcot sized
chemical balls that he's standing on. The whole place goes up white heat.
Yeah, and his last line was top of the world. So even to
his last breath, right. It was all about the relationship to his weird
psycho mom, as we'll see, is very similar to um Norman Bates.
But there's a point too that's interesting in the film where he seems to kind
of have a psychotic break as well. And it's when they tell him his
mom's dead and he flips out in the prison and he does this like wild,
just he goes nuts on the the cafeteria table and he's just flopping around
and acting crazy. And then a couple of scenes later he's standing out in
the woods and he's talking to his mom in his head. Right, So
it's kind of foreshadows even maybe in cinema what happens with Norman Bates. Do
you remember that party and somebody says, somebody walk up to him, They're
like, who are you talking to? And he's like talking to Maya,
I'm talking to mash What do you think? Who else want to be talking
to him? But even his girlfriend, right, he can't trust the girlfriend
because she's sleeping with his you know underboss. Yeah, and then you know
Ma is the only one who told him right that, Um, you know
I can't trust him. You can't trust her or she's sleeping with him.
So, but he is a pretty clever crook, Like he's like a master
crook, like he can arrange every one of their ordeals that's really elaborate,
you know, heists and their busts. I mean, they're super elaborate.
But he's really crafty. So he's a joker, archetype. But he's the
cunning, chaotic joker. He's not the fool, right, I mean he's
a fool in the sense that he's yeah, he's willing to go down with
his ship, but he's not a fool in the sense of being a clown.
I mean he's always laughing and smiling though. I think when you see
villains constantly chuckling, and you know, they have that that smirk, that
grin and that happy face when they're doing you know, crazy stuff. So
if you've never seen White Heat, it's it's a musty. What do we
got next, sard? What's the Maybe we should do one of these ones
that are not we did? What's that one? Let's do this one?
Because it wasn't that good my view, I don't really care for this.
I thought it was going to be more, you know, a cult slash
cult stuff going on and there wasn't much to it. Seventh Victim, nineteen
forty three. And why did mister Anton think this was something important? An
example of the way that Satanists actually be Oh that's right, that's right.
So this was a true or portrayal of what covens are up to and how
they do business and take care of the Yes, that's right, I forgot
that. So this she's got our turf banks. So there's a recruiting turf
banks into their witch coven. She looks like Christina Vishi right there, she
does exactly. And the weird part of this movie is that they made her
this character who's recruited and mind controlled in this cult. She seems to have
been chosen by the coven because she wants to die. Now, she's not
actually suicidal, but she has this she has ideation, weird fixation on thinking
about doing it. Yeah, And her sister's like, well, is she's
suicidal because she goes missing and they're like, no, she's not. In
fact, she bought she bought the noose because she just wanted to remind herself
of death. And it's like yes, but she's also sort of under mind
controlled by this coven. Right, So this one starts out at a religious
girls school and her sister Mary is informed that her sister has been missing.
The dark haired girl's missing, yeah, named Jacqueline. So Mary has to
go looking for Jacqueline, and this is how this movie unfolds. She finds
out Jacqueline rented a room and all it had was a now cent a chair
And that's what I was talking about couple of minutes ago. The room that
she rented was above a restaurant called Dante's. Oh interesting, yeah exactly.
Yes, you have the Dante Inferno reference there, right, and these are
all in film and literature, right, you're a she's proto golf for sure.
You're going to constantly have Milton and Dante referenced, Yeah, I mean
endlessly and Shakespeare. So the sister Mary goes to the Missing Persons bureau and
it's super busy. So there's something they're saying right there, like this is
kind of a thing that happens. Yeah, this cult is getting rid of
victims, and you think it's it's not what you think. You think it's
going to be. This you know, mind controlled satanic coven existing in a
you know estate, somewhere, but it's actually a bunch of people that gather
in a condo in a city, and it's a bunch of prominent people in
the city, but it's in it like thirteen people. It's like it's like
it's like an actual coven. Yeah, and they're recruiting people, bringing them
in and finding people who want to go along with their cult ideology, even
to the point of wanting to die. So I thought this was interesting.
The whole thing centers around this cosmetics company. Yes, the cult runs a
cosmetics company and has trapezoids as their symbol, which are parallelograms rather is a
now I'm now almost all fei is a triangle with the top cut off and
a parallelogram I think is like a okay, but the rectangle that has.
The reason I'm saying that is because I think Lavay says that trapezoids are satanic
because because they're incomplete, right, they represent the unfinished Ashlar and the you
know, incomplete, the great work is incomplete. Yeah, and it also
supposedly attracts the demonic and whatever because of their because it's not right. It's
like all cause it a frustrum. Yeah. So the so that's what was
in the movie. Yeah, and that's what he talks about. So they
used but one of their it's two different symbols. One of them is a
triangle and one of them is a parallelogram. Right, so there's a mysterious
psychiatrist claims to be taking care of her um. Come to find out,
the one of the coven people took the cosmetic company from her, and they
were using their satanic logo as the logo of the cosmetics. So wait,
it wasn't the cosmetics wasn't connected to the cult. It was after well she
okay, so she owned the cosmetics company and they she got wrapped up in
this cult. Jacqueline okay, the dark haired girl, right, her and
this other lady and this, like several people from the cosmetics company were in
the cult. And Jacqueline starts going crazy. All of the forties ladies look
like the same lady. I mean, this this is the only one that
you can distinguish because you've got her turf bangs. Like everybody else is just
a forties lady. And they're all the same, right, they all look
the same. So the cult is taking over the cosmetics company. Jacqueline's going
crazy, yes, and it just gets worse from there. It has a
very bad ending. Um, but the cult is trying to get Jacqueline to
kill herself because they voted on non violence. It's a non violence so they're
like get her in the room and be raiding her for like all day and
night, trying to get her to drink her own poison. That's right,
yeah, But I mean if you're trying to get a person to do something
suicide, as you know, un aliving themselves, I mean that's you're still
involved in murder. Yeah, it's still right. Yeah. So I guess
they had done this to six other people in the cult, right, and
she's the seventh and so she already wanted this and she ended up using the
room with the new Senate at the end. Gotcha. So let's move on
now to Um. Yeah, this have some interesting elements, but I did
not think it was that good of a film. It's a stupid ending,
and um, we'll stud Fritz Laying next. Okay, what were you gonna
say? By the way, guys, if you want to, if you
if you would support the show through the super chats, everybody is sting you
today. We're not getting I'm gonna have to start doing some Marjo preaching over
here. And if I if I preach like Marjo, what I get like
giant pay piggy stacks of cash Marjo Bucks. So the plot does sound great,
but the problem is that the ending of the film, the way it's
executed, it's it's silly. You'll see if you watch I haven't picked them.
It's just not that good of a movie. But it's very glorifying of
death. So all throughout the movie that one of the neighbors was a dying
woman. The lady who lived next to the news was dying, and at
the very end she goes out on the town for one last like hurrah before
her death, and the healthy lady just killers all. No, I mean,
I was just this movie didn't cut keep my attention. I don't think
it was any good, but I did enjoy M. Now, if you're
not seeing chrish Lang's m it's one of the most important films. Most lists
will list it, as you know, top one hundred, and it has
Peter Laurie as the serial killer in nineteen thirty one, and this movie influences
from henceforth all serial killer, all true crime, all police procedurals in movie
and lit, so it's based on an actual series of serial killers. According
to Lange in various interviews, the most relevant is the character named I looked
all this up the Vampire of Duschdorf, Peter Kutin. Peter Cutin is the
vampire of Dusseldorf, and he also has the hallowed title of quote king of
sex perverts. He's a puvert, as Theoban. As the Obann would say,
yeah, guilty of nine counts of bad things. So you can look
up Peter Cutin the vampire anyway, So he goes into this, but according
to Fritz Lang, there was also three other serial killers in Germany that influenced
this figure. But what I really liked about this movie, if you haven't
seen it, we'll look a little bit of the trailer here. I think
this is out of copyright so it should be okay, it's that old.
I think this one was genuinely creepy and done very well. Yeah, it's
a classic Janice Films and Nero Films working with Fritz Lang on this. Well,
it was produced by Nero, but Janice is a later i think British
company that owns it. But what is weird that Jamie notice, first of
all, is that this movie doesn't really have a protagonist, all right,
This movie has basically Peter Lauria as the protagonist. But there's no other characters.
Is not that you've followed throughout the whole thing that you obviously yeah,
obviously, I mean there's no characters. I'm saying there's no major lead characters.
Yeah. The only constant, there's only one. You see the police
chief every now and then, but he's not a character. Like, we're
not involved in any other character other than the serial killer. And everyone,
you know, getting whipped up into a tizzy, right, just like with
James Cagney. The whole city's got to be basically shut down over this guy
because we can't find him, and you know what's going on. And so
after several children end up missing and going unalived, the police are in a
tizzy and they decide that they're going to have the resort to any and every
mean means, and this means going after all of the underground crime syndicates,
and going after all the underground crime syndicates makes the gangsters mad. Now the
gangsters are mad at m and they want to find it because there's too much
heat on the gangsters. They can't run their rackets when the police are constantly
on the lookout for anything and everything. So this movie influenced Battle on Berlin
totally right, I think so. And it's like nineteen thirties Berlin looks so
cold and shabby, it does not look like a very prosperous places. Well,
they got hoboes and balloons though. Look at those happy balloons that will
instill nightmare fuel forever. When when the hobo gives you his balloon, don't
take candy from strangers. He's literally lori hip into his trap by buying them
balloons in candy. Yes, classic creeper move right. And also, um,
what we've not seen with the villains that we've looked at with Cagney and
Robinson. Now we're getting into a different type of weirdo creep villain, which
is the collector, right, so a branch of the serial killers. They're
collectors. This actually gets novelized by John Fowls in his novel The Collector.
And if you don't know, we've covered John Fowls as the Megas tons of
times. I'm kind of tired of covering Jamie and I even did them.
Okaye Magash movie Domagash Dash Magic, Black Magic Foe, Black Fool Magic,
The Mega Us with Michael Caine. The movie is okay, it's not as
good as the book. The book's really good. And you have this Illuminati
figure. Literally the novel mentions the Illuminati. You have this Greek zillionaire who's
basically just messing with people for fun, right um staging things, etcetera,
etcetera. But John Fowls is famous also for writing this novel for The Collector,
which became a movie in nineteen sixty five, which is about the creeper
who has to not just collect women, but even when the women pass away,
he collects. He collects whatever he can. He might he might do
what Norman Bates does and taxiderm them well to collect, to collect. Yeah,
I got a bunch of girl friends. They over there with my taxidermy
right there. That also comes up in The Black Cat. I was gonna
say, Yeah, Boris Karloff in The Black Cat is a collector, and
so it would seem that m has an element of this too, and will
notice that he I think he's possessed. And that's interesting because chritz Lange I
don't think had any religious views unless he was some kind of an occultist.
I think he was a socialist, and he supposedly wasn't happy about the socialism
of Tiny Mustache Man, but he was a socialist still. I don't think
it was a Bolshevik, but maybe some other kind of just normy socialist.
And you see the socialism obviously in the Metropolis, which we've talked about.
I have a chapter on Metropolis in my book that's very platonic, with the
elites being the brain of the city and the workers being the body in the
heart of the city. So there's some interesting socialism in that. But of
course Metropolis also has the cult satanic satanic elements with the bringing to life of
the girl right of the Ai. So there's a lot of esoteric prophetic stuff
in fritz Langforsure. And again I just don't know if he was into anything
a cultic. I haven't read biographies on him. But if you guys don't
know, everybody for sure has seen Right. That's probably the most classic expressionist
occult film. Yeah, and it predicts right Metropolis. Yeah, it predicts
the aim and the sex bot right as the result of satanic science basically.
Yeah, and sci fi too, m it's expressionists more sci fi. Yeah,
but I'm talking about the predictive, predictive elements. It predicts um,
the rise of Satanism, it predicts Ai transhuman is m tech right, because
doesn't he have a mechanical hand? Yeah? Yeah, Rot Rot Wang?
What's his name? Yeah. So the point is that obviously Fritz Laying matters
in film because when he does M, what year was Metropolis nineteen twenty seven?
Yeah, so just a few years later he does M and M is
again serial killers before serial killers. I mean black Cat is what you're because
that's a serial killer. Okay, so this is prior to to Black Cat?
And what year is um Caligary that's the only one that's prior to this,
right, the only serial killer film pric in his cabinet, what his
victim's collectibles? I think? So, yeah, he's a collective. Yeah,
he's a collector. And then he's a serial killer who collects these angles.
I'm sure they would have something to say about those surrealist angles and those
expressionists. Yes, it's surrealism expressionism together. That's why you see man Ray
and salvad Or Dolly continue a lot of this stuff in there artworks. But
you even in Manray, right, you get this idea of being a quote
collection because he's collecting women's parts, and women are in parts in man Ray's
art. It's it's super satanic obviously, right um. And part of the
notion of surrealism too, which you should which I've talked to I couldn't find.
I have a book on Surrealism in film, and I couldn't find it,
but it's really good because it talks about the notion of the surrealist philosophy
being that there's there's no dividing between the waking state and the dream state.
And if you come to that realization in as a surrealist, you know,
artists or filmmaker, then you're going to realize that you're not guilty for any
of your actions. And this plays into the Black Dahlias story because the idea
is that George Hoddell and the people's inner circles were into this kind of ritual
crime because they justified it by their belief that, well, I'm not guilty
because there's no difference between the waking state and the dream stay. So if
I'm not guilty of doing nasty things in my dreams, and how can I
be guilty in this life? Because this life, it's a dream state,
that's the reasoning. But all of this time period is secretly, you could
say, influenced by a lot of the satanic and occult stuff in the kind
of underground way, because this is prior to the Hayze Code. Once the
Hayze Code comes in I think in the late thirties, and it goes all
the way until those sometime in the sixties, you get now you can't show
right husband and wife in the same bed, this kind of stuff because in
Black Cat, like the honeymooners have the same bed because it is prior to
the Hayes Code. Oh okay, So in m in Berlin in nineteen thirty
one, this whole crime spree is making it so that nobody can trust each
other because it could be anyone, and uh, the kids can't trust the
adults. The adults don't trust each other. And the killer is writing into
the police and the press. So a lot of movies draw from this,
well, not just that, like so actual serial killers, I mean,
like the Zodiac killer writes into the news. Aha, you can't catch me.
Here's my code of you know, Zodiac symbols decode it, right,
which and he's using like military code and cipher's which is partly why people thought,
oh, this is somebody you know in terms of involved in the military.
Right. Have you heard when the Zodiac guy supposedly calls on the radio
show in real I mean in real life. No, yeah, this is
a famous, famous event where he calls into a radio So that was in
the movie. Yeah, but it's real I mean supposedly, right, yeah,
Jim Dunbar show. So let's see, this is supposedly the Zodiac.
This is not the movie. This is in real life, right, And
I'm showing you this because Peter Laurie, as the murderer m writes in his
code letters to the police. Off to the police station, Bella, accompanied
by police and newsman, waited forty five minutes. Today, the keeper rendezvous
with Sam Francisco as the Zodiac killer of five persons. Avano made the appointment,
never showed up. Meeting was arranged this morning when I called her,
identifying himself as Sam, reached Bella on a KGOTV talk show and whether this
is him or not, No, obviously nobody knows. But it's interesting that
he's calling himself Sam, given the fact that Sam plays in the Berkowitz right,
son of Sam. But now suddenly the Zodiac killer is calling in as
Sam. Suppose he said he was the Zodiac killer. I needed help.
Here's how it looked and sound talk. Just tell us what's going on inside
you right now? So please? I have headache? Right? How long
have you had those headaches? That Sam? In a long time? If
I killed a kid? Right, wasn't the poor the summer that you have
the headaches? Were you in service that you might have had an injury in
service? Would you ever fall out of a tree or downstairs? We're ever
unconscious? Did you ever? Did you ever have an injury in the service?
Maybe you fell out of a tree. Did you fall in your head
when you're a baby when the general told you to get up in that tree?
Son, you fall out of a tree in the service? No,
you don't remember. Has aspend me any good? No, it doesn't do
any good, Sam aspiring to you when I'm a serial killer. I'm calling
in, by the way, and I have headaches. Have you tried aspiring
stuff? Never did me? Goodbye? To what I had said. Let
me ask you a question. Did you, um, did you tend to
call this program one other time when mister bell I was with us and you
go, did you try to call us one other time about two two or
three weeks ago, and when mel bell I was with us? Yeah,
and you well, and we wouldn't get through and we didn't get tie of
the phones were tied up. Was at it? Yeah? So let me
ask you this. There's some reason why you go to a particular doctor or
a particular priest. For some reason why apparently you wanted to talk to me
or lead. Is it that you feel that we have compassion for people who
get in trouble, or is it you feel that if we can do something
for you, or is it you feel that we're have enough integrity and if
we promise you something that we're going to stick to it. Well, let's
find out why wanted to talk? Why did you want to use mister Belli?
Sam, I don't want to be heard, ready to teach, So
there's that. I just thought it was interesting. Um, this notion of
right calling into the cops and leaving the clues. We think of that as
a you know, Hannibal Lecter or a modern basically every serial killer movie.
But it's Peter Laurie right, sending in his letters. Did you notice what
the new the letters said, Um, no, part of their narcissism.
Well, there's a different thing going on with Lorie though, because he I
mean, I'm sure he is a kind of a narcissist, but um,
he's possessed, like to the extent that he's not in control of his faculties.
Right. So, like Edwardy Robinson and James Cagney, both of them
have blinding migraine headaches. Remember they both do, oh and but they never
dissociate. The closest thing that happens with Cagney is that he starts talking to
his dead mom, but he doesn't really dissociate. But they both have blinding
head and the blinding headaches are the like they're blinded. You see, they're
blind He said the same thing, kind of who and his like pleading speech
at the end. Well, but what I'm saying is that when Peter Laurie
gives his speech and says I can't help it, he's saying I'm He's saying,
I'm possessed. The compulsion within me, screams and it takes over.
Yeah, that's what Psycho said. Who the psycho? At the end?
Oh, Norman bates so many commonalities. You thought his name was Psycho.
Jamie just thinks that the name of every movie is the name of the character,
and his name is well, he kind of is. He's murderer.
So okay, who's your favorite actor star Wars? Well call is that Luke?
Or is that Chewbacca? Who star Wars? Han Solo is Star Wars?
We call Everard g Rods and Keys because they couldn't remember his real name,
but that he was in Key largot hoods right by the way. I
put Key Largo in the movie, and I forgot we don't have notes on
Key Largo. But I'll fix that. I'm gonna we'll flip out Key Largo
with Fritz Ling's M because M is much more important film than Key Largo.
But although Key Largo is pretty good. Um, So, the crime bosses
have to band together to catch him because the police are overwhelmed going house to
house. They're making up um, domestic spying, see something, say something,
neighborhood watch type stuff. They set up neighbor neighbor watches everybody's supposed to
spy on their neighbors over this one killer, right, which the when the
serial killer phenomenon pops off in the seventies. This is Dave McGowan's critique of
the serial killer phenomena. Remember Dave Dave McGowan made the point that that was
to get everybody in society atomized and no longer connected with other people, which
seems a word. And then they have to recruit the beggars to be spies.
Yeah, well this is an idea. Interestingly, that the criminal underclass,
the organized crime figures decide that they will have the network of beggars.
That's actually not new though, that was done by the British Royals were doing
that back in the day. So like the Queen Elizabeth Right, she had
a giant spy network that wasn't just professional spies like she would hire street urchins
to spy for her. And this is also if you read Star Arthur Conan
Doyle, who, by the way, it turns out, was a Fabian
socialist. Conan Doyle has Charlock Holmes has a network of hobos. So the
hobo network is also an untapped spy network. But the criminals in em are
aware of that, so they recruit the hobos. Yeah, and that's how
m gets caught, is the hobos. It's not the police, it's the
criminal underground that it's up catching him. Yeah. Um, he compulsively whistles
the same tune. Yes, that was interesting because yeah, the eighteen twelve
overture. Yeah, oh, I'm gonna get triggered. I'm gonna start.
You're gonna be singing at anton dots and songs here in a little bit.
Hi'd your kids? How'd your wife? Because they everybody out here, you
don't have to come and confess you noticed that maybe kill bills the whistles,
and of course it is. Yeah, so this is why Tarantino has Daryl
Hannah come in to kill Beatrix kiddo, and she's whistling that. Um.
Yeah, So this is an homage to Peter Laurie as the killer who is
triggered by his whistling. So for whatever reason, whenever he's about to do
it, he starts compulsively whistling that overdure. Well, there's some interesting imagery
like Okay, so he's walking through town and he's not thinking about killing and
then he sees in a window of a knife store, the reflection of a
little kid with the knives, and he gets a weird triggers him. Yeah,
and he has like a weird pleasure moment and he gets triggered. And
the next store that he walks by is a bookstore with a hip like an
old timey hypnotic trance spiral spiraling right, and a thing there it is behind
him, so it is definitely talking about like hypnotism trance. Well, he's
in a trance state when he's triggered by the sight of youth, right,
when he sees the youth out and he thinks of like knives and like this
triggers him and he starts to go into this dissociative state. So he really
does dissociate and he talks about it later on, and you see the spiral
spinning behind him just symbolic of his trance state. And that's why he explains
to the to the criminal court, because he actually gets kidnapped by the crime
syndicate and they hold an underground crime criminal mafia court. It's no, it's
a mafia court, and they convict him and they're like, you're not going
to get away with your insanity plea right, yes, because he knows that
if they know, if he's tried in the normal courts, he'll plead insanity
and he might get off. And they're like, the state will have to
pay for you. And the mobsters are like, you shouldn't be a ward
of the state being pampered up there in the wherever prison. They mentioned one
of those famous German prisons, but I forgot which one it was. I
remember studying that in German class. But um, they're like, no,
you're you're we'll give you mafia justice. He has a monologue about how he
operates, and he's begging for mercy. He's saying, I have a cursed
thing inside me. He's possessed, he's always running from himself. He doesn't
remember the killing when he's done. Yeah, So he dissociates and says,
I didn't realize the paper says this is me doing this, and he's like,
and I couldn't believe it when I read in the paper. And then
he said, but if I tried to tell people that, you know,
there's somebody else doing it with inside him or something like, He's like,
nobody will believe me, right, And Norman Bates says the same thing,
doesn't Yeah, oh did he say that at the end? Yeah? Interesting.
So here he is at the mafia criminal court where the mobster's all decide
he's guilty, and then the police bust in and then they take him to
the normal court and we don't exactly know what the verdict is, but we
think he probably is guilty. But yeah, this film basically sets the stage
for every future serial killer movie. What did you think of him? It
is good and creepy. There's some other really interesting Fritz Lang Edward g.
Robinson films that we did we're not going to cover tonight. There's, um,
the one about the paintings. Um, actually there's two. I think
I think Fritz Lang did the other one too, that you where he's like
the beta simp. Yeah, so in Scarlett Street, edwardgie Robinson plays the
beta simp who is like totally duped by this chick that he trusts a white
knight. Remember that. But yeah, that is a Fritz Lang movie that's
mentioned don la bas List, Yes, because what because he's a yeah so
she yeah, there it is. She cons Edward g Robinson right there,
and that's a it's a pretty good movie. But I actually thought the the
other one about the painting the woman in the window, I actually thought this
was a better film. So this is another Fritz Laying film where and both
of those though, have a really important place for artwork. Icons and paintings
like paintings play a key role in both of these films. Did you did
you notice that? Because he's a painter and he thinks he's gonna win over
this hood chick, right, this ratchet hood chick right with his paintings,
not in this one, but in the other one. And in this one
he goes off into a dream state and then he the girl that's in the
painting shows up and says, oh, come with me on this you know,
adventure, and he gets all wrapped up and all this film fatal stuff.
And but this is a surrealist film because he's he's lost in this dream
state for most of this movie. Following this you know babe that wraps him
up in this drama. You gotta watch out for the game. The broads
with the Gams, Right, the Broads with the Gams will be your undoing
if you're in a nineteen forties film, for sure, Yes, so is
that good? We gotta do suns at Boulevard right, one of the most
important films also of all time, I think. Okay, um Gloria Swanson,
she's interesting in character because she's kind of playing herself, Yes, because
she actually was a well she was a silent movie star. Yeah. And
it also it's a this is a meta film because it also includes um cecil
be the mill Right as himself Norman Desmond Glaris. Swanson is playing a silent
film erastar, which she was, and I didn't even realize until this time
watching it that she also has a psychotic break and associates to an altar where
she was. She's a younger version of her in one of her early films,
remember at the end. Yeah. So, by the way, if
you haven't seen some Sense of Bullard, you you must see this. It
is one of the most important I think. Like one of the cool things
about these shows is that we don't know when we pick them, like they're
in the James genre. Yes, but there's so many common themes in them
that you don't you wouldn't recognize unless you wash them all in a clump like
we do. That's a good point, yeah, I mean, unless you're
doing a study of film. No whir you won't. You won't notice these
things in particular like the now. I mean, I think people that study
film know these things because you have to. You'll take a class on film
the while and you'll watch a bunch of these. But we watched a few
of these in some of my film classes in my university, and that kind
of introduced me to this stuff. But I'm, by no means any kind
of expert in this, but I mean sends that Boulevard is famous not just
for being really weird and ahead of its time in terms of the dark kind
of film that is, but it's also a very famous screenplay. Um,
it's a hallowed, respected dialogue and all that. So you know, at
this time you have to have the snappy dialogue or that's a huge part of
the film. It doesn't, it's not really. I mean, I think,
who's William holding? Yeah, I mean he was a big draw.
But the main draw at this time, right is stars and dialogue, and
then everything else is kind of after that, Like people didn't really care so
even so much about the plot. I mean, the plot matter, but
I'm saying that for the Hollywood studio system, they're concerned with the star and
the money, right, the story and the art and all that's down down
the road. They're not as so that's not what drives a lot of these.
And that's different from the nineteen thirties with the silent films, because before
the Hayze Code and all that, they were very experimental. They were interested
in doing film for art purposes. But by the time of the studio system,
now it's star driven, it's money driven, and there's all there.
You have the Hayes Code and all that, so you can't show a lot
of things and do a lot of things that you could in the silent era.
So this is in nineteen fifty, so a little bit later, but
still has the same feel of the other guys. And there's a murder in
Hollywood and the main characters is a penniless writer for a paramount and he's the
one murder and he's telling you the story of his murder, right, and
he can't get a break. The repoman's after him. He ends up at
Lauras Swanson's house by accident. By accident, right, he's trying to get
away from the repo man are going to take his car away, and he's
he's actually a good writer, right, Like he did a couple screenplays that
got him famous, but he's got writer block and he can't figure out anything
good, and so you know, he's out of work. So now he's
on the lamb from the repo man and he ends up parking in her garage,
just some giant old Hollywood estate right in the hills, and he ends
up wrapped up in this just insane nonsense from which she has built around her.
Her and her butler, who is Eric von Stronheim, who Levy was
a fan of his movies too. So he's an old famous director playing a
butler who was an old director. Yeah, playing himself. So again a
bunch of meta you know elements to this movie. Yea with Cecil b de
Mill again playing himself. M One of the weirdest things about this movie was
the scene with the dead monkey. So this is what the writer comes upon
when he knocks on her door a night, you know, just wanting to
use the phone or whatever, and they're about to have a funeral for a
monkey. Remember that. Yeah, Because she's basically like Jacko, remember Jacko
with bubbles, right, Yeah, I mean, just totally insane, but
it was such a big star at one point that they just went nuts.
Right. I mean we all know this, right, the big A listers
that gets they just go crazy, like icons in monkeys, like Elvis had
a monkey, Jackson had a monkey. I think that it's just it's a
thing that people would do back in the day to be quirky and weird to
say that they had it, and people would talk about it. Right,
So it's another thing to do to get people talking about you. So it's
like viral marketing back in the day. Right, makes sense. But because
remember in that movie about the Aliens, the subplot of that was a sitcom
family got murdered by their pet monkey or something. Nope, yeah, yeah,
so there's something about that that throws back to old Hollywoo would in their
monkeys. Well, it's like when Tony Montana like just buys a big ass
lion, yeah and puts it out back right, Yeah, you have my
lion. I got a tiger um lions, tigers bears. Who cares?
So she's crazy because she was displaced by the talkies. Yeah. So,
but the reason we chose this also is that she is a villain who is
an archetype prophetically speaking of today's narcissistic social media person, especially the narcissistic female
on social media, she's the perfect prophetic prediction of this delusional and well,
just the way that this woman again, so she's a rare case in the
nineteen twenties, thirties and forties, right, How many people in nineteen twenty
thirties and forties would be seen by millions of people almost nobody, right,
So she represents the the fragile psychosis of a narcissist produced by the Hollywood machine
at that time. But nobody could have imagined what if everybody had this phony
offer that they could be the star of their own story. They could be
an a lister, they can be everybody can be famous on the Internet.
And the offer there of endless, infinite pseudo attention online is what Norma Desmond
represents. Right. Today's people on Instagram or whatever seeking Internet fame are the
embodiment of what she is, and she goes nuts and snaps. So she's
another one of these characters that eventually dissociation snaps. And it has to do
with the way that the narcissist constructs his delusion and then at a when there's
a time when reality crashed in so hard that the delusion collapses and they have
a breakdown. And this is actually what the psychiatrist says at the end of
Psycho about Norman Bates. What I just said is exactly what he said about
Norman Bates. But in this it happens in the exact same way where Norma
Desmond flips out when her world crashes and she dissociates, and her being led
off to go to jail is for her the next movie, because all the
press is there for her, right even though she's just killed this guy.
Yeah, and so she thinks she can make comeback, and she's using the
writer to write her movie so that she can relive her glory days. Her
whole life is a movie. She is the director and the star of her
own movie, and everyone else is an actor in her personal play. And
her house is a shrine to herself and also her prison. It's both,
and William Holden when he's there, describes it like it's a prison, and
in fact, there's several scenes where when he's dressed up in a tuxedo like
Rudolph Valentino, she starts dressing him right too, because she wants him to
play the part of when she used to date you know, the A listeners
back in the nineteen twenties, right, And so he's got this tuxedo on
and he's in the people his age are all like, why are you dressing
like this? Why are you acting like this? Riding around and like these
giant leopard skin limousines, and uh, He's like, look, I gotta
do what I gotta do, right, And I think he thinks that he'll
get her money, right because she has all this money and she talks about
she's always she's always buying him stuff. She's like, I have all the
money. At one he's trying to write Salomy for her. Her life story
is this horrible story that she's written as Salome, and so this reminds us
of Oscar Wilde and Salome is, of course the person who had John the
Baptist be headed, right. Yeah, It's it's funny because there's a bit
of truth in her ridiculous story because her dance is not Salome's sexy dance.
Her dance is all of the glitz and the glam that she's leading William holding
down this uh primrose path to his doom, right, and he's gonna be
He's gonna be the John the Baptist. It ends up dead and everybody in
her orbit is part of her play, but they're also in her prison,
like her butler slash ex husband. She's cocked and imprisoned Eric von Stroheim,
who yeah, is always over there. She put him in the butler zone.
He like, like Calisi put what's his name in the captain friends zone,
she butler zone. I mean, I'd rather be in the friends zone
in the butler zone, right, because you're still you're basically a servant.
But he's serving her because he is part of what damaged her because he said
that he's the one that put her in the movies when she was sixteen.
Well, and you almost feel like he might be a handler at one point
because at the at the at the end scene even though he's like a he's
a he's a cuckler, the cuckler, uh, he's her butler. At
the end, he has to like get her to come downstairs when all the
cops and the and the press show up, and he's like, trust me,
I know how to do this. Let me handle it. And he's
like, Norma, are you ready for the scene action, and she's like,
is it all? I know, the kind of all right? Yeah,
And so then she she goes back into thinking that she's on the set
of her like nineteen eighteen film when she played Salome, because I think she
did place she played some kind of elaborate Yeah. Remember she's wearing I showed
you the pictures of her and her real remember, yeah, she's wearing a
peacock right, Yeah, when she was a silent This is real film that
she's in, right with this giant peacock a dress. So she might have
actually played like a salom A figure, right, this this is what I'm
trying to find, right, go ahead, I'm just making this point that
was from a like a notable movie that peacock address. It's some old silent
film, yeah, and it's people get stranded on a on an island and
there's like a primitive tribe there and she's like the queen of the tribe or
something. Right, So anyway, okay, um. Oh, she's also
has a unliving ideation. Yeah, she has tried three times too unlive.
Um, but we don't know if she really because she's such a narcissist that
we don't know that. She she's an actress, so is she acting right?
She's manipulated. She's manipulating everybody, right, because every time he wants
to strike out on his own a little bit, she's like, she's like,
right, do your eyes you're doing good? Yes, that's every scene
is She's like Joan Crawford before drunk. Joan Crawford basically didn't she Yeah,
because Joe Crawford always plays that's crazy. A short in the chord. So
if you're wondering why it froze there all these comments yesterday, I was like,
I'm gonna have to buy a new microphone. I know that, So
I'm sorry. I don't have a new microphone between yesterday today, so I
know. I know. There's So we're doing a silent film, so there's
no there's no sound on purpose. Get it. It's a silent film.
Get it with your eyes. There's a short in the chord, so if
you barely touch it, it goes out. And then everybody's like, no
sound, no sound, No, I know, we're doing a silent movie.
Okay, so what next we are we doing? With sense I like
her extreme beauty treatments are amusing her over the top and when she shot him
in the back, he just keeps walking like he was that determined to leave
her all the nineteen forties. Well, this is fifty but gunshots, they
shoot from down. It's very dramatic, and you keep walking and like you
get herkey jerky motion going and then fall over. So and she's got that
main character energy. Well, she's an narcisstic psychopad delusional, you know,
slay queen who has a mental break and associates m One thing that was interesting.
I don't know if this is real or not, but there was a
scene when all of the news cameras were going to her house after the guy
was murdered, and it said Paramount News on it. So did the studios
produce news also? I don't know. That would be interesting when it comes
to FAKA news. Yeah, I don't know. Um, I don't know
why I said Paramount News, but that's a good point. Maybe in the
nineteen fifties there was a Paramount news channel, but the next you know,
do you know what I just realized too what the final scene of Sunset Boulevard
is very similar to the final scene of To Die For. Do you remember
when they catch Nicole Kidman as a killer, and it's all the presses there
and she acts just like Norma Desmond. She's like, she's like, this
is my big moment. Yeah here it is right here. So the weather
reporter who wants to be like the star, right, Nicole Kidman is literally
playing another Norma Desmond figure, right, a person who's willing to, you
know, do anything to be famous in media, including murder. And then
when she gets caught and she's just happy that all the cameras are there on
her right. So the police are there and they're like, did you were
you involved in all this? Oh? Yeah sure. By the way,
I'm a star now. Um, there's another Nightcrawler with the Jake Jillenhall,
same thing, right, Jake, Jake Jillenhall is a stringer you see Nightcrawler.
No, So he's a stringer. And then he realized that he can
start arranging the new scene, the crime scenes to get a better reaction.
And then he like climbs his way up right and steps on anybody in his
way to be a media mogul. So multiple films again with this this idea
ahead, what's next? Psycho Psycho? By the way, if You're not
seen to Die for It's a great movie making this point about media and now
social media. Right, we were just talking about Sunset Boulevard and To Die
for It. Now we're going to talk about Psycho. You got your Psycho
notes. Now I assume everybody's seen Psycho, so I'm not We're not gonna
rehearse all the plot again, but the most reliv will be Norm Bates and
his Norman Gilbates and his uh dissociation? Can you not find it? Okay?
So this is the first neo noir, right, So Nowah takes a
break I think, uh, I forget the exact date, but late fifties,
and then makes a comeback in nineteen sixty Psychos nineteen sixty, right is
it? Yeah? That comeback is neo nowa. She starts off breaking all
of the horror movie tropes that you can't break if you want to live,
which is uh shacking up. She started out up shacking it up with a
boyfriend somewhere in a hotel, robbing her employer. Then she realizes that she
can take it. I forget how much money it is. Yeah, So
her boyfriend can't support her and they have a little discussion about how they can't
have a normal life because he's just a roused about. Yeah, he lives
in the back of a dime store and he works there or something. And
so she has an opportunity to steal forty thousand cash and she takes it and
flees out west and she's gonna go to Vegas and make a new life for
herself. And there's a great continual layers and levels of suspense, right because
when she's on the run, right, she immediately starts getting followed and tracked
by the police, And it's actually done really well where you're you're you're starting
to root for her, right, You're like, oh, can't you do
it? Can't you get away? And then she goes and buys a new
car, super suspicious, and she's like, yeah, she is the what
did I say? It's like it's a case study in how to be sus
so if you're looking to be shady and sus right, like, she's the
worst version of it. When she's on the run and she ends up at
Bates motelstel, Yes it is a Mulder motel. Um she's in there with
I would argue he's he's kind of like the first in cell. I mean,
this is like straight up in cell and he doesn't act. Another thing
we noticed too when you watch this film is that he doesn't act like even
other actors in the nineteen sixties acted. He's a lot more natural. Yeah,
I mean he comes off like a real he's like a modern actor.
Yeah. And he does a very good sheepish like nice guy, super nice
dude. Yeah. But he has a meal with her, and you said
this evil recognizes evil, So he's got the evil touch and he sees that
in her that she realizes that she's on the run from something, and so
he notices that she's done something right because he can see the same type of
guilty conscience between the two of them. And he's trapped there like one of
his taxidermy animals. Yeah, and he's obviously got a super creeper you know,
nation habit with. He's a collector. So we were talking about serial
killers who are collectors, which was a real thing, right, And Norman
is a collector because in the taxidermy represents for him right away to collect and
control death, having power over life and death. Right, And we know
that he's killed his mom and her husband eventually we find that out right,
and so there is this weird again connection to the mom much like James Cagney
had very Freudian a lot of Freudian stuff in this. And Hitchcock, by
the way, made movies for British Ministry of Information, so it's basically he
was doing British intelligence work. Right. So the taxidermy thing is is interesting
because it's really symbolic for not just his weird fascination, but other serial killers
have a similar approach. So if you remember, Dahmer basically does the exact
same thing, right, I mean, this is very much a Dahmer kind
of thing. Although I don't think Dahmer was like into cross dressing or anything
like that, but he's a lot of Dahmer in him. With the collecting
the dead carcasses, well, um, inspiration from this had to come from
Edgeene. Yeah. Edgeine was the guy who made like she uh couches out
of skin and bone. He would dig up bodies like Norman did. Oh
yeah, he digged up his mom. He dig up his digging in the
dirt to find the dead mamas that you hurt digging in the dirt. Also,
Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs. Yes, there's very, very
much silence of the Lambs elements in this. And by the way, when
are they going to ban this movie? Right? Because Norman is a dang
he thinks he's a Gale. Well, he identifies what's wrong with that?
You can if I want to identify as my mom, who are you to
tell me I ain't my own mom? Yeah? Are you a bigot?
Also leather phrase from Texas chainsaw masker. He's ed Gaine influenced. Yes,
I remember that. So, but you'll know the Freudian stuff is all through
all these movies because it's always a question of how they relate to the father,
right, James the mother and the father. James Cagney no father figure,
and his mom is this controlling gangster psycho. Norman Bates basically no father
figure, but he's guilty of mattreside, which produces this bizarre what'd you call
it emotional I nc st Yeah, yeah, with his mom and then he
has a psychotic break and basically the mom is his altar. Well, listen
to this about ed Gaine you ready, Yeah, he would go to the
graveyard in a day's life state and would sometimes come out of it in the
middle of the act and go home empty handed. Other times he dug up
the graves of recently buried women who he thought resembled his mother. Soon after
his mother's death, he began to create a woman's suit so that he could
literally become his mother and crawl into her skin. Nothing wrong with that.
You can identify as your mom and wear a mom's suit of actual mom.
It's just good. We were in men in black the alien's were skin suit.
Yes, who are you to judge this? By the way? Yeah,
so, yeah, I understand that the full split comes because he couldn't
deal with the guilt. Yeah, And so the psychiatrist at the end explains
that there was a splitness in his psyche and doesn't Norman say that he doesn't
know what he's doing, and that so there is a loss of time,
right, which happens with the bull mpdd id. So he's like uh,
Peter Laurie in that regard. He's also a voyeur with his peeping hole.
He has the peeping going on, which, by the way, that comes
up in this that's a big part of Wise Blood because um, they engage
in peeping. There, Oh, you asked me something about the handwriting,
and I forgot to say about the handwriting and m when he was writing,
they were, um, what do you call that? Yeah, analyzing it
and they said it looks like a sex offender. So I don't know,
let's remember to wait. Oh, they said that about Peter Laurie. You're
saying, yeah, they said his writing for simple avert. Yes, man,
you got that dang perverting. You got that handwriting a dang pervert over
there. So that means every doctor is a pervert, because the doctor ain't
right. So if you'll notice, Nor and Base's house, not the motel,
but the actual house is their classic haunted house with the shape of the
fresh from the anton. The basin has the trapezoid root, which he in
his hypothesis and his studies and stuff of haunted houses and all those things,
he had these theories that architecture could affect your psychosis. Well, that comes
up in Black Cat. Actually, do you remember that? In even though
this is kind of a primitive movie, Black Cat, Um, they actually
make a big deal about the bizarre Frank Lloyd Wright Ballhouse architecture of the facility
that Boris Karloff inhabits. Yeah, that's pretty wild. Yeah, I think
absolutely. Architecture. That's why that's the whole theology behind the structure of the
church. Right, the architecture of the church is going to affect your mindset,
so sound plus architecture could have a healing or a damaging psychosis effect.
Let's see, the sister and the boyfriend are looking for the main girl who
was on alive in the shower. You actually come to find out that he
killed his mom and his mom's husband. I just mentioned that because of the
emotional you said that, right, yeah. Oh, and the house is
his psyche. Yeah, there's the He constantly refers to his mom living in
the house, but then we find out later on that she's living in his
head, and so when we when you rewatch the film, you'll notice a
lot of the discussion about oh, I could never leave this place because my
mom can't leave, right, she's in there forever he's talking about it in
here. And that's a common symbol, right is the house is the psyche.
The rooms in the head I represent different compartments of the brain, alters.
The basement is the subconscious. This is again pretty common in movies and
lit I didn't notice that until this time watching it. This time, by
the way, I mean, that's the function of the house, but that
wasn't evidence to me until this time. So this Ma is like the Maw
in White Heat I just mentioned, And at the very end, the maw
personality is the one that takes over and he becomes Ma and no longer Norman.
Yeah, Norman basically quote dies, right, and it's only Ma there.
And then we have that weird monologue at the end of Ma talking in
Norman's head as if she planned this all along. So I think maybe that
we're supposed to think that in Norman's mind, Oh, it wasn't me,
It was Ma that did this the whole time. Right, He's justifying this
as she's really the one that did all this. And it gets even weirder
because it says if he felt attraction to another woman, the jealous mother,
to kill the woman. This reminds me of you know, if you've watched
Millennium, which is a great show, right, Frank Black in season one,
he's always doing the same diagnosis, right, Yeah, which we've talked
about. Right. The killer has a problem with his mother. He sees
himself as an avenging angel to get out upon all women. Yeah, the
killer always has this complex motive, the killer's sexual frustration close into secre revenge
upon his mother. Yeah right, um, black Hat. So he's a
bad boy, black Cat. But you'll notice that in a lot of the
evil figures that we've studied tonight, in our study of archetypal evil, they
the pattern we keep seeing is that they kind of have a break, right,
um black Cat. This was one of my favorites of the bunch,
I think, just for the classic horror. I had not seen those,
Yeah, I believe it or not, I had not seen this. And
one of the things that made me, I hit the stupid Chordian now made
me want to see it was Nick Cage as Boris Karloff Renfield Dracula. Oh
yeah, he did look like him. So this is a karl Lemoley Bella
Legosi, Boris Karlov you said, as Edgar Allen post Ory. I didn't
know that says that at the beginning of the movie. Okay, So it's
about some honeymooners on the Orient Express come across a Hungarian doctor, Bella Legosi.
Doctor. We's a gast or something like that. Weird or gas weirder
gas yeah, and he there's an accident and they end up at the house
of his old general, who is a Einer architect, right, and also
the head of a Satanant colt. And this is a pre pre haze code
movie, so a lot of this stuff can be mentioned more openly, I
guess you could say. Right, So bors house is built on a giant
graveyard from World War One, and part of his house is built on a
fort or like a it's an armament armament yeah, yeah, and by the
way, it's it's a it's an occult power center because of the it's the
place where the most World War One soldiers died. Yes, So the Carlow
figure who runs the Satanant Coult decided that that would be a great place to
build his giant estate, which is all ugly and well, that's what I'm
said. It's a giant bow house, Frank Lloyd, right, structure,
and it's brutalist. It's yeah, it's it's so if there's a picture of
it, it's gross. The what's it called the mansion, I don't know
what. It looks like a giant mental institute. I noticed that both Lavay
and Michael Laquino took some inspiration from the looks of these guys in this movie
with the Widow's peak, and yeah, he actually looks like LaVey and absolutely
m but I can't there's not here. It is. You can barely see
it though it's not a very good picture. But it's bouhouse. Like I
said, and again I was, I didn't expect that in this movie.
This is not not at all what I expected. So now the Black Cat
is the what is internal life of the Satanic oven? And you can try
and kill it, but it will always come back. Yeah, and that's
what doctor, That's what Bella ghosts he's afraid of. Right, he can't
just kill Karloff yet because he has to wait until the right time for some
reason. So the honeymooners get an accident. They end up at this creeper's
house with the other doctor who has beef with him, and they give her
some drugs and she becomes kind of like a medium. Well, yeah,
Boris Karloff is basically drugging people and mind controlling them, right, and he's
he's collecting ladies and this is really wild and edgy. For so again,
the only reason you could have that in a movie is that is before the
Hayze code, and so he we don't know exactly what, but he basically
does Norman Bates taxidermy on the Ladies and he's got a collection. And if
you read analyzes of this film, they'll say that this is actually hinting at
like Necro stuff. And it doesn't say it, but it's like kent it
at right, and it freaks Belaegosi out when he sees his daughter, his
wife, well his ex wife in the lady collection. And then his daughter
is basically married to Boris Karlov. Now, yeah, who's part of the
coven? So pretty wild stuff for nineteen what is it thirty four? This
is crazy. So also he's an architect, so that's like gnostic in Mason.
Well he designed the facility. Yeah, this date um I like his
uh bedtime stories. Remember he was going to bed. He's just casually reading
Writes of Lucifer. Oh yeah, the book is called Writes of Lucifer.
It's like a giant prayer book that says writes a very simple uh to the
point. A lot of really wild architecture too, And that's like the scenes
the set are really that's some of are Yeah, that's some of the best
parts of this movie is the SETI in the Satania church they talk about like
the angles as the ang angels and weird angles can um allow spirits to come
through? And this is in lovecrafty and stuff right. He also played the
keyboards like LaVey. There's his lady collection. Yeah, so he's a collector
like the rest of the cercleer m h, will you be cool with me
cryogenically putting you on a giant glass case if you pass away? Um?
Only if I do you want your hair? Do you want your hair?
Operate on it down? If I look like our wrinkle granny, I don't
want to be well. He preserved him young ums the hair up though.
I don't get that he's waiting for a dark moon ritual. He wants to
steal the honeymoon lady. The oh there's they're gonna sacrifice her the shape.
Yeah, he wants to sacrifice yeah. Um. I thought it was interesting
that Boris Karloff has to play Bella Legosi a game of chess for the lady.
Yeah. One thing I don't understand is that why does Boris carl Why
does Bella Legosi keep capitulating to the rules of Boris Karlos because he had to
wait for just the right moment, just straight, That's what I'm saying.
Why like, why is he playing along with this? And I think the
reason he's doing it is because Boris Karlov knows uh Legosi's weakness, which is
the cat, and so all he's got to do is bring out that Dan
cat every every time, you know, and he and basically Belle Leegosi freaks
out. They didn't explain why he's afraid of cat. He just has a
superstition of phobia, which is ironic because he's a psychiatrist, right, the
bell Legosti character is a ychiatrist, but he has a phobia of cats,
so it's just supposed to be irony. You'll notice the X shaped altar in
the Satanic ceremony, which is a lot like eyes Why Shut or Eye of
the Devil. There is a little bit of an eye white shut Ei the
double Yeah. I thought maybe this trailer would have a clip of it.
But down there underneath the military base, which is interesting, right in this
armament underground military base is where they have the coven meeting and the Lady Collection
this year's Collection of Ladies twenty twenty three, he ends up getting skinned.
Yeah, they don't show any of this because I mean, just because it's
pre haze code doesn't mean it's going to be like human centipede or some nonsense.
Like, they don't show any of that. But it's it's hinted at,
and it's a lot of it's told through shadows, right, like the
scenes are told through shadows. Right. But this is another one of those
movies that basically influences every film afterwards. And I think you you pointed this
out because Levey said that the was what was his comments about this movie?
I don't remember. Why do we like? Why did we want to watch
this? Um? The visuals? Yeah, very influential visually speaking, but
plot wise, it's kind of goofy, and they weren't that concerned with continuity
in terms of editing back in the thirties. So there's a lot of things
that won't make sense and it'll jump to different things. Um, but anyway,
we'll get some super chests. You want to read these, Nicholas John's
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I've seen obviously a lot of Dario Argento, we've seen all. We did
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thought, at first, oh, this is gonna be great for an analysis.
Started good, and then it just got really silly and kind of bizarre
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I mean. It's just definitely worth watching. The more all the movies start
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Yeah, I mean it's They're just hard to watch, some of these old
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