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Welcome, We're back to where she
has to sit on five pillows to feel

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like she's more important than me.
Taul again, you have a Napoleon complex.

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I need my what's that called,
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seat? Ye, what's that called? You don't know? Basic chair chair?

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There is a small you don't know
what a booster seat is. Welcome

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everybody. Today we're doing, um, a little bit of a different film

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analysis. We haven't done anything.
Why is this all? Scoot over,

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scoot up and scoot over. Get
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We've not done a lot of film
no whir yet, so let's get into

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it. We wanted to do the
villain joker archetype because we realized as we

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were watching some of these old Noah
films that you can't really have the modern

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villains that you have today without some
of these predecessors in film. Right.

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Yeah, And you also did a
book report that we'll talk about that overlapped

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because you went into Anton LaVey's life
not because you're interested in that, but

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because you wanted to see the worldview
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in many ways influential in pop culture, what were the Hollywood things that he

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found relevant for his philosophy and then
what movies and shows reflect the philosophy of

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his system, right, Yeah,
his idea basically a kind of social Darwinism,

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which we'll get into. Yeah,
so let's talk about that a little

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bit. First. We'll talk about
your live stream that you did on rock

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Fan, which will promote here in
a second. But well, part of

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the aesthetic that he had in the
Church of Satan was taken from German expressionism,

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yes, and film noir, which
he loved. The is influenced by

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that, Yeah, and just the
theatrical performance. Part of the rituals that

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he would do dramaturgy, yes,
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So the dramas are very important,
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drama, which I talk about in
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going to be doing in la But
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during the sixties and seventies when horror
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yes, a lot of that drew
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And like you said, you can
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by a very old movie or a
classic each actor, right, so you

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look very bright and shine you here
like an internet angel woman. Okay,

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and you're covering that here in your
rock fin right. Yeah, satan is

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not going anywhere in pop culture unless
we just can we do mystery science data

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on ourselves and you can sit here
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I'm joking here, I'm gonna give
If you guys want to support Jamie,

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you can follow her on her streams
right here in the super chat and

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go ahead. So he influenced a
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Everybody knows about Rosemary's Baby. But
I have a quote here if you mean

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to read it, says no occultists
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cinematic presentations of Satanism, as has
Anton Leavey. Ritual and esoteric symbolism are

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central elements in leaves Church and the
film in which he has had a hand,

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contained detail portrayals of Satanic rights and
are filled with traditional cult symbols.

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So we watched a bunch of those
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over the last week. We did
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and M. We'll be talking about
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he listed a bunch of characters that
and people in films that really reflect his

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philosophy. Yeah, and it's not
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normal kind of villain first, the
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kind of villain, and then we're
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we'll be talking about archetypal villains that
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pure chaotic evil joker archetypes. So
we found some interesting figures in old films

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that didn't I did not expect we
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could find rich symbolism in a lot
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kind of have to go back to
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which we'll do with when we get
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do you want to well, why
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the ones that we chose. Well, he loved the since the Hoodlum anti

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hero that was also kind of sincere, which he felt sympathy for the devil

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in certain ways. So he loved
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the Heart of They Fall, the
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he says opens and ends with a
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to find to watch. We try
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am not under any constraints, a
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find echoed in a lot of these
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out, does go back to right, the archetype of Satan in the Garden,

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because his whole program is, according
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rain in heaven than to better to
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captain played by Edward g Robinson,
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Black Dahlia. He embodies this satanic
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captain that basically just sits and reads
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Edward g Robinson was one of his
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over and over again. Like you
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right. Who we are we going
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to his socialism in a minute.
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Well, we got to go through
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the movies. Movies Seawolf, Key
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Night Has a Thousand Eyes, which
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we're trying to find that one,
Nightmare Alley, which they made the

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remake with Bradley Cooper. Yeah,
I did a podcast on Nightmare Alley if

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you missed that one. Because there's
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circus, the idea of the freak
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come up in a lot of ways
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I do Wise Blood in the coming
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it here a little bit. It's
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it has a lot of symbolism in
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whatever reason, found curious parallel with
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you don't know, is the most
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Southern Gothic writers, and she was
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Theologic of Aquinas every day and would
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all kinds of deep symbolism. So
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a lot of Jansenist themes. There's
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grab paper on all of her shorts. I read all of her short stories

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in college, had to write a
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a lot of that in terms of
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to be. It's prophetic because she's
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has this character who's the new atheists
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the Church of Jesus without Jesus,
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create a christ less religion that he
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again way ahead of the times in
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did uh Anton like this? It's
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he grew up working in the carnival, yeah ca and he learned that

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people are easily conned and that he
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the cont men. So there's two
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is handler the snowmen, right,
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to teach people how to read them
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that's a big part. Well,
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right. Wise blood is it's symbolic
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we're smart enough. We don't fall
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people. And that's exactly what Anton
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it also is the term that mobsters
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meaning that you're not like the Norman
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you realize the system is rig so
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the system is just another criminal structure. Right, So that's a wise guy.

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That's why they're talking about having wise
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irony is throughout the novel, she
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Emory getting demonically possessed as the novel
progresses. But why did he Why did

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you say he liked it? He
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cult aspect. Oh so it's kind
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it. Yeah, yeah, because
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two more movies about magicians. And
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who plays the cab driver husband butler
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that's another one that was in his
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of the greed. He liked Vincent
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The Ruling Class, which looks really
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visuals, he liked the Black Cat
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the way that Satanists behave. And
then there was the last movie I wrote

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down was The Brotherhood of Satan Children
being inhabited by dying Satanists. Yeah,

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so kind of a reincarnation idea of
that movie is terrible, like not in

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a moral sense, but it's just
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got about twenty minutes into it and
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even watch it. But we're also
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onto this fits in with this idea
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Confidence Man. Because this is really
deep novel. It's hard to explain it,

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but it's basically a bunch of rascals
on a steamboat and they're all a

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bunch of different con men and it's
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real con man? And ultimately it's
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that that's how what's happening. Well, a lot of the guys are,

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yeah, insurance investigators investigating scams and
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a hard bowl detective of some kind. There's blinds, you had to have

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she canna be fem fatal. She's
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So that goes with the territory.
No such thing as a non gam

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fem fatal girls dams. By the
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share. Uh, it's civic holiday. Are all the Americans partying on their

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steamboats? Um, they're out there
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and that's the thing that Anton Lavay
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religion as really just a bunch of
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also saw the revival tent preachers that
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And they were on the lowest totem
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they call them a lot lie like
a lot lizard, yeah, but tinier

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and just in your hair wait,
a lot life. Yeah. So the

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Jesus Carnival uh tent preachers, revival
preachers of the Carnivals, What does a

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lot likes mean? That's what they
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because they were the lowest of the
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scam people. I say, so, here is a documentary that we're going

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to be doing soon that's kind of
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know this documentary. It won awards
and it's about this guy Marjoe. If

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you don't know who was a faith
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I don't know, maybe he exposed
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he came out admitted it, and
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fits into what we're talking about today. So when when he thinks of church,

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right, he thinks of these people
get meetings or you don't get booked

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back unless you have a gimmick,
or as the evangelists say, it's a

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it's a ministry like that. It's
incredible. They'll see, Oh, brother

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so and so he's got the ministry
of laying on him hands, or he's

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got the ministry of prophecy. But
that's a gimmick. And the guys that

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have the gimmicks get the big meetings
and do good halleluiave thank you Jesus,

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what thank you Jesus. Right there, at the age of four, I

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had a decision to make. I
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thank you Hallelujah, and I dedicated
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That night which she went holder that
cancer had dissolved and run completely down

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her face. She was healed by
the power of God, and the only

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thing that was left was a little
irritation mark, a little pink skin.

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But the skin was knew like a
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Hallelujah. When I would go to
a pastor's church where hadn't preached before,

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and they had sort of looked me
over and wonder, you know, what

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was I really going to say?
What was I really like? And I

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just sort of have to just cool
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and they saw that I did say
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Would some of you get out five
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would for Jesus tonight, come on, my master felt for I can't really

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think of a time that I ever
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and I've ever thought that it was
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I don't think even with all the
people gathering around me, you know,

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thousands of people saying this has to
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God has calls you and all that. I don't think with all that,

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I just, you know, knew
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my parents had trained me. But
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I was some real miracle child of
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seen so much and see so much
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of these Schiss when they come from
they learn everything, you know, they'll

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listen a couple of nights and they
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they can tell after a while.
Yeah, they're not dumb. And you

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know, people are in challenging Nowdaysay, there's there's one guy that gets into

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it so heavy that he's into he
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did it. He said, right, I mean, he looked right across

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the table, back and forth at
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You know, how he confiscates money. He says, he's on this station,

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is over forty states, and he'll
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the race. You know, say, I know that listening to my little

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boys tonight, that there's some lady
out there and you've got ten dollars put

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away in a cookie jar. Now, God spoke to my heart and told

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me to go and tell you to
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the mail and send it to me, and God will bless you. God

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will give you a reward such as
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he comes back to me. He
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on the radio and you're going over
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and got thousands of people listening,
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two or three hundred little old ladies
who've got a ten dollars build on a

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cookie jar. And so if you
even get you know, oh, pay

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piggie that he was, he was
getting pay piggies the scheister way. I

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don't approve of this method of paypigain
a couple hundred go over and get it

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and send it to you. That's
two grand that you've made just like that.

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And so you know, if you're
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this is with the games. You've
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It's a it's a you go into
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as a business. You know,
as they make the way up into the

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upper room, oh hallelujah, they
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Will tell their lives. But I
see them as they got down on

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the knees and they they them to
play you, and I see the holy

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golds to ask coulding tongues of fire
were upon them? Hallelujah? And oh

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my, but holy Noster finally found
up pull on a resting place for you.

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He's gonna do it right now.
Say thank you Jesus. M gee

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he's the name. Get out,
Speak it out till all of a sudden

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danger they're not saying anything. Then
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more will gather around and they'll start
doing the same thing. You come on,

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speak it out, Speak it out
till all of a sudden the person

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will be you know, he's wearing
tide. He looks like Richard Simmons.

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He looks like Bill Walton mixed with
Richard Simmons mixed with Matthew McConaughey. He's

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sweating to the oldies while he's smoking
a doobie while he's right. I think

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that you should do the next level
of impressions called fusions. Fusions. Yeah,

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that's good. Matthew McConaughey, he's, um, that's too hard.

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But he's uh, he's meeting cool
people. And wait, what is it

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he's doing. He's doing new things. Meet Cooper, No, meeting new

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people, do cool things. That's
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mar Joe's over there doing cool things. Gets so over well by the thing

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that they struggling. I thought,
you know, and the next thing,

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that's it. You've got it like
to feel good. We got another one.

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You know what Peter Shift showed up. How's what's he doing there?

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He's a he's a machine. What
is an Americans kind of god? The

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wine no questions, Jesus. I
mean, if I was going to pick

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a religion of there's a specific point. I'm trying to go to her where

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he throws all the money out,
That's what I'm looking for. Look at

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his records. He's got like Dewey
Brothers over there water you know, Christian

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type religion that I had to go
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thank god I don't have to,
But if I had to go into one

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of them, I would, you
know, pick the penny cost of Faith

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because some of the churches the music
is just great and the people are interesting,

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you know, they're kind of weird, and it's okay, you know,

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it's whatever you bowed every guy closed, hallelujah. I just want to

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see the hands tonight. There we
thank you Jesus. Are you washed in

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the blood of the land. Halleluh. So there we go. I just

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wanted to go to the part where
he's throwing out that big fat wad of

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cash on the hotel bed. Anyway, that's a famous documentary from the seventies,

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and it fits perfectly with the characters
in Wise Blood, and it fits

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perfectly with the characters Inconfidence Man by
Melville. And if it's perfectly with all

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the stuff that Levey was talking about
as his exposure to Christianity, right,

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this is what turned him to Satanism, this kind of witnessing these type of

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characters. Yeah. In other words, if religion is just a bunch of

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hucksters and shysters and rascals, right, then it doesn't matter. It doesn't

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matter what you do. So was
there any more movies that he thought were

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really important embodying these these archetypes.
He was involved in Rosemary's Baby, which

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they had recruiting posters for the Church
of Satan at the premiere of Rosemary's Baby

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in the theater. Do you know
that? Well no, but I've heard

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that people say that it wasn't true
that he consulted, But actually I think

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it is true. Well, he
was in He has an idd there's two.

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I can't remember put that down,
but he was like in two movies.

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Also, he was friends with Kenneth
Anger, he met Marjorie Cameron.

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Well, I mean he was hanging
around and didn't he he's with Jay Mansfield

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and yeah, he's hanging out with
Sammy Davis Junior. And so I mean

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he's hanging out with Hollywood people.
It's not implausible. He had a love

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affair with Marylyn Monroe when they were
both young. Oh, that's right.

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You read that in that biography,
right, Yeah, and he said he

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predicted that she was going to be
the Satanic Madonna of the twentieth century.

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Yes, and he also you talked
about that. He was talking about sex

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spots way before anybody else. Oh, hey, yeah, we're gonna do

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a whole another show on rock.
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I think that he was in the
circles of people in power and people who

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knew, you know, he's he
And there was a connection too with organized

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crime that is covered in the article
I sent you. Do you remember that,

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Yeah, yes, The first people
that were joining this church were like

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baronesses and lawyers and doctors and San
Francisco elite, not goth kids in the

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basement listening to tool. Right.
So here you see this article I was

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talking about the FBI, the mob, Satanism, satan FBI that you can't

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see the whole title, but here
it is I'll put in the chat for

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you. And this gets into Ted
Kennedy. Oh yeah, Devil's Rain.

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I think that's when he was in
Okay. But this article gets into the

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Satan, the FBI, the mob, the forgotten plot to go after Ted

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Kennedy. So the Kennedy's are besieged
not just by the CIA, but also

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by the pseudo occultists because Anton LaVey's
group is not I mean, they're kind

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of occultists, but they all so
don't really believe in the supernatural things,

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right, not really, but he
did believe in different dimensions and spirits in

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other planes exist. But it's kind
of like a it's like a buffet style,

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right, like he picks and chooses, but he's not invoking an actual

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entity. And to what degree is
he an atheist? Right? He doesn't

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believe there's there's a god. Right, We'll try and make sense of it

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because he can't. So you just
kind of have to report what they were.

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But does he have a system,
Well, his system is atheistic,

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yeah, and that you just worship
yourself, yeah, and Satan is the

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representation of the anti god within you. He becomes an archetype of the individual

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and self worship. Yeah, yeah, so, but then other groups like

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supposedly, I don't know how serious
even a Keino was about, but supposedly

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that's theistic Satanism where there is an
actual entity, right supposedly, although I

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don't know if Keo they believe that
or not, but I think he did

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well. He was big on set
in Egyptian and he they're trying to contact

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things from other dimensions. Yeah,
well, certainly more likely. But I

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just I just mean that these military
people you can never know that. I

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mean, they're trained liars, people
that work in military intelligence, that's central

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intelligence. They're just liars. So
you can never really know if what they're

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telling you is the real philosophy that
they have, right, because all the

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people that graduated and come out of
the Krolean schools, right if you remember

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right, they're all learning to create
their own cults. That's where Krolianism is.

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That teaches you to create your own
cult, to be your own god.

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Exactly. And he would have no
problem if everything he said was BS

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because that's part of the Khan and
that's the root of his philosophy. Yeah,

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exactly. So these things are not
antithetical. Let's talk you want to

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about Seawolf first, let's get into
that, because this was a fun one

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that I wasn't familiar with. It's
written by Jack London. I've not read

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the book and I didn't even know
it was a Jack London story until you

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know, we started watching the film. Everybody, I'm sure familiar with his

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the one with you know the Disney
movie that is based on the sled Sled

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all the while, Yeah, with
Ethan Hawk. Remember that I grew up

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with that, with that era.
So this star wars Edborgene Robinson. If

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you don't know, it's kind of
a staple of the nineteen thirties and forties

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gangster and Noah dark crime thrillers,
and he usually plays this kind of of

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a character. Now sometimes he's the
protagonist who's kind of swept up in things

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that he doesn't deserve to be swept
up in. Um. But we'll watch

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some of this trailer by guys if
by the way, if you guys would

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hit like I share, also support
the show by the super chats if you

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want to get into some discussions of
archetypes in Noah. What we're gonna say,

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since we're talking about Edward G.
Robinson, this book says that he

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was the inspiration for the Um.
Remember that devil in Fantasia, the Chernobog

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they call him Um was supposed to
be based on him in real life or

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his character speak up, just his
likeness and his character. Oh okay,

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yeah, Well he's always parodied in
The Bugs Bunnies too, together with Peter

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Lorie. Ya don't know if I
get made a cop up, say,

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and then uh, Peter Lorie's always
portrayed, right, Reek Reeky hailed me

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Reek do Sydney green Street. I
can't do him, are you? I

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can't. He's just a big fat
guy. Yeah. He just like yeah,

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oh you mean his laugh? Okay, yeah, I was like,

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I can't do his voice. But
uh so this is uh Edward Robbs,

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by the way, According to the
Black Dahlia Book, which is interesting,

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right, he's in the circles of
the Black Dahlia people too. So he

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was hanging out with George Hoddell,
as you know we've discussed in the Exquisite

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Corpse Book, which is the Black
Dahlia Avenger, George Hoddell being the father

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of Steve Hodel, and Steve Hoddel
says, yeah, I think it was

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my dad This book obviously gets into
that too, but discusses the circles that

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were that we're running together in the
open face of the What do you call

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this page in a book? I
forget what it's called. There's a name

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for the for this page when you
first open it. Anyway, it lists

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everybody in their connections with man Ray, and with George Hodell and Elizabeth Short

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who is the black Dahlia killer?
And John Houston the director? And where

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is Ewargie Robinson's here he is,
so you'll notice here at the bottom.

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See if I can show you this, So here Edwardgie Robinson actor patrons together

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with Vincent Price, Paul that Goddard, Fanny, Bryce, Edwargie Robinson,

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his friends with John Houston and man
Ray say the line connecting to man Ray.

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Ah, I can barely see that. What do you think? Also

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Barrymore? What about him? The
granddad Barrymore was in a Satanic click.

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Oh, that's right, according to
your book, ye, the Church of

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Satan. This is Drew Barrymore's grandfather, right, says The famous deathbed sketch

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of John Barrymore was drawn by John
Deck here on a piece of brown wrapping

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paper. Decker and Barrymore were part
of a couple of Hollywood writers, actors

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and Bombay vaunts, which included W. C. Fields, Ben Heck and

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Gene Fowler, who wrote odes and
omage to Satanic forces and took on the

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names of various depths. Do you
want to show the picture on that over

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there if you want like that?
Yeah, and that's a drawing. This

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here is the drawing of John Barrymore, and here's Anton McBay next to it.

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And then that's okay. I just
gonna show you the other page about

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his androids. Oh, that's the
pre android android characters that Love came up

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with. Yeah, well, he
would play with these mannequins, right,

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He had a whole like he called
it a den of iniquity in his basement,

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like a set up like a bar
with mannequins that he would interact with.

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But and he thought that Disney was
really good for beginning with experimenting with

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the animatronic. He was grateful to
Walt Disney for introducing the synthetic to children.

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The animatronics of Disney is a preparation
for the coming a on of the

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sexpot. YEA, So we'll play
a little bit of this abergy Robinson clip

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here from Seawolf. Because he's an
archetype of the kind what would what we

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would call this just anti hero?
He's not well, he's not an anti

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hero because he's a villain. But
he is not a he's not an associate

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bath or a psychopath. He's not
chaotic evil. Um, he's just sort

402
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,320
of a classic villain, wouldn't you
say? I mean, what is the

403
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,119
reason that he says he's a villain? Um? Satanic attitudes and like you

404
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,639
said, Dante and that also came
up in that Oh, that's right,

405
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:59,039
because he's reading Milton. Yeah,
yeah, that came up in that one

406
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:04,199
last night. What do we watch
last night? The woman about the sister

407
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,000
seventh victim? They mentioned Milton,
No Dante, the restaurant that she rented

408
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,639
the thing. We'll get there.
Okay, So the ship. If you

409
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,400
don't know the story here, I'll
just summarize it. It's it's worth watching.

410
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:24,159
It's a really engaging and exciting forties
movie. But they end up on

411
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,599
a ship. This guy stows away, he's a crook on the run from

412
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,920
the cops. Another woman stows away
on this ship who's also on the run.

413
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,239
On the Lamb and they find out
that basically everybody on this crew is

414
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,280
a gaggle of crooks and criminals that
he's recruited and he keeps them trapped there.

415
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,000
Yeah. So basically, yeah,
it's the ship is a symbol of

416
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,480
hell. It's right, like,
so imagine, you know, the Church

417
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,800
is the ship, the arc the
icon you've all seen, I'm sure,

418
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,599
the orthodox icon of the Church as
the ship with Christ steering the ship.

419
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,000
This is the anti version of that. You know what I'm talking about.

420
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:00,920
We have we have the big icount, right, y'all know the icon I'm

421
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,599
talking about, the icon of the
Church as the ship. That's perfect for

422
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:15,599
this movie because this is the opposite
of that, right yeah, rightly,

423
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:27,679
this one, so you guys can
see that, right yeah. So this

424
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,519
is the literally the inverse of that. And what I didn't expect was that

425
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,559
he has a library on his ship
and all he does is really study all

426
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,480
of the great characters of literature and
scripture and everything who are the villains to

427
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:47,199
figure out how to rule. So
he's over there reading Dante's Inferno to figure

428
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,760
out how to be like Satan.
He's reading Milton to figure out how to

429
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,760
be like Satan. That's where he
gives the quote, you know, the

430
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,920
better to reign in hell than to
serve in heaven, And so the whole

431
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,880
allegory, it's a great allegory for
on many levels, for being imprisoned in

432
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,639
the kingdom of the world, being
subject to the devil. You might even

433
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:13,920
read it as a Gnostic thing,
and he's the demiurge. He's the you

434
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,360
know, socialist revolutionaries version of the
Biblical God, the way that the Gnostics

435
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,320
view the Old Testament God, the
Father. You can see him in a

436
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,159
lot of these ways because Jack London
turns out had a flip from being a

437
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:35,400
radical individualist, a rugged Americanist individualist, to completely flipping and becoming this radical

438
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,079
Marxist socialist. And I don't exactly
know what the trigger for that was.

439
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,280
I read a little bit of his
biography, but it's odd because I don't

440
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,159
know if he wrote this when he
was still like an Americanist individualist. But

441
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,000
when he wrote this, you get
the impression that the protagonist and his girlfriend,

442
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,519
so that basically, the guy who's
the crook on the run hooks up

443
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,360
with the girl who's on the run
from her women's penitentiary and they have an

444
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,559
intimate love together that is the thing
that saves him. So love right and

445
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:13,599
being willing to sacrifice at all is
ultimately how they're the only two that get

446
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:19,639
away. Everybody else ends up dead
and Edwards E. Robinson is the type

447
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,840
of evil evil that is happy to
bring down everybody else with him. So

448
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,519
he all he wants to do,
even if he's going to even if he's

449
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:31,599
not going to win in the end, like he wants to take everybody with

450
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:37,800
him. One thing I noticed about
this character is that he fails to take

451
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,280
accountability for anything, which is kind
of a satanic attitude. Yes, his

452
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,039
psychology is fascinating, that's a great
point. Well, nothing is ever his

453
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:54,119
fault. That's a very narcissistic attitude. And also the whole sympathy for the

454
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,480
devil, which Anton the Vay said, the poor me. You know,

455
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,239
everyone just dumps on me, so
I must be evil, um self fulfilling

456
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,239
type of person. Yeah, this
comes up towards the end when there is

457
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,840
a dialogue between one of the characters. Who's the writer, right? I

458
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,320
think the writer. He's not He's
not a crook, but he's you know,

459
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,679
obviously represents the Jack London character.
There's an author who ends up on

460
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,639
the crew, on an unfortunate member
of this crew, and he decides he's

461
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:30,280
going to write the story. So
because of the narcissism of the captain,

462
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,039
he's always asking, you know,
the author, how are you gonna write

463
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,679
me? How are you going to
portray me? And he's always saying,

464
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,039
well, I'll portray you, you
know, the way I actually see you,

465
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,480
the way you really are, and
and he's he's always trying to convince

466
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,320
the author remember that. He's like, well, but you don't really know

467
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,800
my story because you know, it
was always me against the world and I

468
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
was always screwed over, And like
you're saying, it's not my fault.

469
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:58,480
You know everything made this way.
Yeah. Yeah, but then but then

470
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,719
at the end, you miss this
hard. At the end, I think

471
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,199
you dozed off. But they had
the part where they had an exchange where

472
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,519
he's like, no, actually,
I'm gonna write you as a really weak,

473
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:13,480
fragile person, and that's what that's
what actually what causes his narcissistic ego

474
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,559
to crack because he knows that this
guy's going to write a book about him

475
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,760
and make fun of him and This
causes him to crack at the end,

476
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,559
and then he just sort of like
goes down with the ship, just sort

477
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,800
of staring off into you know,
the distance, which is ironic because the

478
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,440
author gets shot, so he doesn't
he's not really sure he doesn't. He

479
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,679
doesn't know because he's blind. He
has these periodic blindnesses that he goes through

480
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,760
when he gets these um migraines,
right, so he doesn't see that the

481
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,639
random gunshots actually did hit the author
that's on board, but he doesn't really

482
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,840
know that. So he's afraid that
the book's going to be written about him

483
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:58,599
as this fragile character who when reality
spills in to the narcissist, it causes

484
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,480
them to snap and they lose it
and they go off into other dimensions in

485
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:07,440
their head, right, or they
do something crazy like you know, mass

486
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:12,280
violence events, you know what I
mean. He did have a chance to

487
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:19,639
redeem himself, which he totally messed
up when the doctor came out of his

488
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,199
drunkenness and was like a respectable character
again, and he could have given him

489
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,159
the you know, respect in front
of the crew that he deserved, but

490
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,320
he made a fool of them instead
and caused him to kill himself. Remember

491
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,119
that. So there was a definite
like turn that he took for the dark

492
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:43,920
side in this movie where he could
have he had just done a good deed,

493
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,400
he could have continued with that,
right, but he went back to

494
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:51,599
his old ways. Yeah, there's
a lot of parallels to to things like

495
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,639
novels that, like I said that, I just happened to be covering like

496
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Confidence man. Right, everybody knows
Melville and maybe Dick. But and there's

497
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:07,440
a I think people have made parallels
to you know, Ahab and that having

498
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,920
gnostic themes in Melville's novel too.
Maybe I don't know if that's the case.

499
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,960
I'm I'm not sure. But in
Confidence, man, it's the same

500
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,480
thing where the things that are happening
on the ship are kind of an allegory

501
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:22,800
for life, for civilization, for
you know, the Kingdom of Satan.

502
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,920
The ship is called the Ghost,
right, I mean, it's it's telling

503
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960
you that it's a bunch of dead
guys, and you know from the beginning

504
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,559
that they're doomed. In fact,
we're told that the captain, the captain's

505
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,559
brother has been hunting him across the
sea for years and when he finds him,

506
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,960
he's going to sink his ship,
so you know that that's coming,

507
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:47,400
right, and eventually it does happen. His brother, who's the righteous brother,

508
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,039
sinks the evil brother, sort of
a cane enable thing. But the

509
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,440
question is, and who's going to
go down with the ship? Who's going

510
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,840
to get away? And it ends
up being only the couple that find love,

511
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:05,159
right, So that's the Jack London
interjecting classic literature stuff to make it

512
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:10,119
a good story. But yeah,
it was really a good character study in

513
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:19,039
basically fundamental pure satanic evil, right, not chaotic evil, because there's a

514
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:23,960
method to the system of ever g
Robinson's character, but we're gonna look at

515
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,280
some archetypes of evil that are not
ultimately that methodical, but just sort of

516
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:35,400
chaotic. And I remember too that
we're thinking about archetypes of evil in literature,

517
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:42,360
and I covered the chapter in nineteen
eighty four that I think it's one

518
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,760
of the I think he's the most
he's the wickedest villain of all the villains,

519
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,360
and that's O'Brien. So if you
didn't watch my video on that,

520
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,960
go check that out. But also
whether it's O'Brien or whether it's mustapha'mon,

521
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:01,639
I mean these are villains that are
methodical, and they're definitely psychopathic. They're

522
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:10,519
not sociopathic. And I think probably
Evergy Robinson's character is psychopathic because he's able

523
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,440
to get along and run the business
of the of the ship. But sociopath

524
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:20,840
they're more like the brute criminals who
are can't control themselves. Right, They're

525
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,960
not They're not rational, They're not
Patrick Bateman, right, They're like I

526
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,199
was given the analogy to you know, Tony Soprano is a psychopath, Paully

527
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:37,599
Walnuts is a sociopathead. You must
start with white heat. Yes, so

528
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,280
let's get to our next villain,
who is chaotic evil? This is where

529
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,039
it gets different, right, Yeah, we get a different and this is

530
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,719
wild because there's not really chaotic evil. And except for maybe some of those

531
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:59,280
older German expressionist films maybe some of
the villains in that, which we'll talk

532
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,280
about, this is camp. But
James Cagney, Yep, we've never covered

533
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,719
a James Cagney films, So I
think this is neat to finally do it.

534
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,960
Character could be an archetype of a
joker. Yes, you had a

535
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:13,440
great insight on it. I think
you're spot on just evil for evil's sake.

536
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Um. So what it is is
he's the boss of a robbing what

537
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:25,119
do you call him? A bandit
group, A small time gang of bandits?

538
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:31,280
Ye gang, um, And we're
gonna have to give you a thesarus.

539
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,679
I know. They start off robbing
this train, and you see right

540
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:43,320
off the bat that these are like
psychos or whatever because they don't have to

541
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,679
cause as much chaos. They already
were gonna get the money, and they

542
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,440
shot the guy after they had already
got the money. Then the um one

543
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,920
of the guys gets scalded and be
all right, let's just go on,

544
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,599
all right, So no concern at
all, right, like for human life,

545
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,320
which is the true of many villains. But what's interesting about James Cagney

546
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:14,079
and this movie is that he just
progresses to greater and greater levels of madness

547
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,239
and we get the Freudian and even
perhaps young Yan like, there's a lot

548
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,119
of Freudian stuff because the relationship that
he has to his mom. In this

549
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:29,119
movie and the nineteen forties and fifties, they loved Freudian stuff. And you

550
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,920
can even see that, you know, the joker, I mean, he

551
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:38,280
definitely influences Jack Nicholson's joker, any
of the you know Heath Ledger where the

552
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,039
joker's burning money for the sick of
burning money. I mean, you couldn't

553
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,400
have that without James Cagney and White
heat. I think he did such a

554
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,480
good job too, because you were
scared of what he might do, because

555
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:52,320
he's just he's chaotic, like there's
no rhyme or reason to it, and

556
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,039
he'll do crazy stuff out of nowhere, right. Like one of the best

557
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,880
parts is when they've kidnapped a guy
and they've got they've got him in the

558
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,360
trunk and the guy's like, I
can't breathe and he walks away. Was

559
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,840
like, oh, you can't breathe
that and he shoots that much of holes

560
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,360
in the trunk it kills the guy. It's like, can you break now?

561
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:19,679
Yeah, So the only person he
can trust is his mom. Yes,

562
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,800
this is a weird dynamic, which
we'll see what Norman bates as well,

563
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,239
because everybody around him is a liar, a thief, a murderer.

564
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:37,639
His wife and his number two were
cheating together. Oh, this movie had

565
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,360
some crazy technology, the way that
they triangulated his position and car phones.

566
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,400
In nineteen forty nine, the police
had like car phones. What do you

567
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,199
think that could have been like a
walkie talkie system or something. Well,

568
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,239
they even talk about triangulation. So
there is a weird element to where this

569
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:01,119
movie interjects the attempts of the police
to have technology to track and surveil criminals

570
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:05,360
on the lamb. Right. Um, it makes me think of like the

571
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,159
Boston bomb I NNG, Like how
they shut down the whole city because of

572
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,159
those guys and oh, this is
great, we got them, we got

573
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,440
them, right, But it was
like total violation of the ideas of American

574
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,519
rule by law. Oh but the
auspices were the t R R O R

575
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,440
I S t R on the loose, And you get the same idea in

576
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:28,480
this movie that oh, well,
you see the serial killer is on the

577
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,119
loose, So everybody has to be
under house arrest, everybody has to be

578
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:37,800
subject to the police surveilling and basically
you know, coming anybody's house that they

579
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:45,599
want under Yeah, well that will
set the stage for all future serial killer

580
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:52,440
movies. That in the Cabinet of
Kalighari set the stage for the methodology of

581
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,400
the police and what's called the police
procedural in movies in literature, and it

582
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,920
also sets the stage for how every
true crime slash serial killer movie will be

583
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,840
done. But now you're going through
the things really quick, like you went

584
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,960
to the tech, which this is. It is presaging a lot of surveillance

585
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:14,559
in terms of local police technology and
all that, which is really odd.

586
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:19,440
Never seen that in any movie anywhere
near this timeframe of nineteen forty nine.

587
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,480
Um, but it's a very important
part in the film. Oddly enough,

588
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:27,159
it plays. They keep referencing it, right, The cops keep having in

589
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
they keep showing these giant gadgets that
they've got, right, and they've all

590
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,840
got car phones, which I assume, like Jamie said, is walkie talkies

591
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,440
to the other cop cars. But
we're watching this and we're like, they

592
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:43,320
got car car phones and nineteen forty
nine they're over there like yeah, shah

593
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:49,679
behind him. They had a thing
on the car like a satellite. It

594
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,400
was some kind of a yeah,
a little U radio receiver on the cop

595
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,920
car, which was which was wild. And anyway, um, back to

596
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,679
the mom thing, because you jumped
from that mom thing that the Freudian elements

597
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,559
here are interesting because it's like a
I n C. E ST what do

598
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,960
you call it? Emotional emotional I
n C. E. St which is

599
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:19,559
a you know, psychology idea of
an improper relationship between a parent and a

600
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,280
child, or perhaps other siblings as
well. But in this case, you

601
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,719
know, it's it's kind of like
Norman Bates that what has caused James Cagney

602
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,559
to be who he is is that
he's had this ridiculous mother figure. Right,

603
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:37,679
And so while it's true that she's
the only person who can trust,

604
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:45,320
she's also the cause and the enabler
of his insanity because she's raised him to

605
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,119
be a criminal. She is basically
the mastermind of the criminal gang, not

606
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,280
him, because she's the one who's
like, well, I know who you

607
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280
can trusty, here's what you need
to do. Get rid of him,

608
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,360
right, okay, ma, ma
right? You basically whatever Moss says,

609
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,679
right, yeah, right, right. And even when he dies, everybody

610
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,639
knows, like even if you've never
seen this movie, everybody knows top of

611
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:09,400
the World. Ma right, Yeah, that's his line when he blows up

612
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,079
the chemical factory. But this is
Freudian stuff too, because, as we

613
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:22,239
said, in the nineteen forties,
like Freudian stuff and film was just everywhere

614
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,920
like it was ninety thirties and forties
they loved it, Spellbound, Hitchcock,

615
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:34,480
Spellbound, I mean it's everywhere.
But there's also Jungian psycho analysis stuff as

616
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,920
well in a lot of these films. Well, at one point in the

617
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,360
movie, a policeman has to go
undercover in jail and become friends with him

618
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,360
to get some information from him,
right confidential formula, and the undercover guy

619
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:52,480
starts to like him and become friends
with him, but ends up betraying him

620
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,280
in the end. So he the
one person that he kind of like opened

621
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,960
his heart up to a little bit
ended up being a police formative. Right,

622
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,719
So he's like he liked him as
a brother, and so basically every

623
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:12,719
single person betrayed him from beginning to
like Tommy us. And this is what

624
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,559
causes his psychological break in the very
end, where he's like laughing at his

625
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,480
demise instead of you know, he's
cracking up at the Yeah. So Edward

626
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,519
g Robinson goes down with the ship
and he just sort of has he has

627
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:28,239
a psychotic break and he just sort
of stares off into the distance because he

628
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,679
knows that the legend that he wanted
to cultivate for himself as this great revolutionary

629
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,840
you know, satanic rebel like Satan
and Milton's Paradise loss. He now he's

630
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,199
going to be made fun of,
and so he just has a psychotic break

631
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:44,760
and he's just sort of like a
zombie, right, he's catatonic. But

632
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:51,599
James Cagney is total chaotic evil joker
level where it's like the crazier and the

633
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,239
worse it gets for him, the
more he's enjoying it. And so it's

634
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,880
like he wants to go out in
a blaze of glory. Right, Yeah,

635
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:04,239
So the white heat is like it
just gets hotter and hotter and hotter

636
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,599
and hotter, and he throws more
on the fire, like the crazier it

637
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,320
gets. If you think at the
end, when he's at the chemical factory,

638
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,880
like there is no hope. He's
got to give up. I mean,

639
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,039
there's no way for him to get
away from the cops that have completely

640
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:24,119
surrounded this giant, bizarre chemical factory. And instead of giving up, when

641
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:30,679
he's got snipers pointed at him,
he literally just shoots the giant epcot sized

642
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:36,079
chemical balls that he's standing on.
The whole place goes up white heat.

643
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,519
Yeah, and his last line was
top of the world. So even to

644
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:45,519
his last breath, right. It
was all about the relationship to his weird

645
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:51,079
psycho mom, as we'll see,
is very similar to um Norman Bates.

646
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:58,280
But there's a point too that's interesting
in the film where he seems to kind

647
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,559
of have a psychotic break as well. And it's when they tell him his

648
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:06,960
mom's dead and he flips out in
the prison and he does this like wild,

649
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:13,559
just he goes nuts on the the
cafeteria table and he's just flopping around

650
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,000
and acting crazy. And then a
couple of scenes later he's standing out in

651
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:21,639
the woods and he's talking to his
mom in his head. Right, So

652
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:30,719
it's kind of foreshadows even maybe in
cinema what happens with Norman Bates. Do

653
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,039
you remember that party and somebody says, somebody walk up to him, They're

654
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,119
like, who are you talking to? And he's like talking to Maya,

655
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,800
I'm talking to mash What do you
think? Who else want to be talking

656
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,679
to him? But even his girlfriend, right, he can't trust the girlfriend

657
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:51,920
because she's sleeping with his you know
underboss. Yeah, and then you know

658
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,639
Ma is the only one who told
him right that, Um, you know

659
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,280
I can't trust him. You can't
trust her or she's sleeping with him.

660
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,079
So, but he is a pretty
clever crook, Like he's like a master

661
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,400
crook, like he can arrange every
one of their ordeals that's really elaborate,

662
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,559
you know, heists and their busts. I mean, they're super elaborate.

663
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:22,280
But he's really crafty. So he's
a joker, archetype. But he's the

664
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,480
cunning, chaotic joker. He's not
the fool, right, I mean he's

665
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,159
a fool in the sense that he's
yeah, he's willing to go down with

666
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:36,119
his ship, but he's not a
fool in the sense of being a clown.

667
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,920
I mean he's always laughing and smiling
though. I think when you see

668
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:43,920
villains constantly chuckling, and you know, they have that that smirk, that

669
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,800
grin and that happy face when they're
doing you know, crazy stuff. So

670
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,159
if you've never seen White Heat,
it's it's a musty. What do we

671
01:02:53,199 --> 01:03:01,159
got next, sard? What's the
Maybe we should do one of these ones

672
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:07,519
that are not we did? What's
that one? Let's do this one?

673
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,719
Because it wasn't that good my view, I don't really care for this.

674
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,440
I thought it was going to be
more, you know, a cult slash

675
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:22,119
cult stuff going on and there wasn't
much to it. Seventh Victim, nineteen

676
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:29,039
forty three. And why did mister
Anton think this was something important? An

677
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:34,039
example of the way that Satanists actually
be Oh that's right, that's right.

678
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,840
So this was a true or portrayal
of what covens are up to and how

679
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,519
they do business and take care of
the Yes, that's right, I forgot

680
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:49,639
that. So this she's got our
turf banks. So there's a recruiting turf

681
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,039
banks into their witch coven. She
looks like Christina Vishi right there, she

682
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:58,440
does exactly. And the weird part
of this movie is that they made her

683
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,440
this character who's recruited and mind controlled
in this cult. She seems to have

684
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,840
been chosen by the coven because she
wants to die. Now, she's not

685
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:13,360
actually suicidal, but she has this
she has ideation, weird fixation on thinking

686
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,760
about doing it. Yeah, And
her sister's like, well, is she's

687
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,559
suicidal because she goes missing and they're
like, no, she's not. In

688
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:26,280
fact, she bought she bought the
noose because she just wanted to remind herself

689
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,400
of death. And it's like yes, but she's also sort of under mind

690
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,920
controlled by this coven. Right,
So this one starts out at a religious

691
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:43,039
girls school and her sister Mary is
informed that her sister has been missing.

692
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,599
The dark haired girl's missing, yeah, named Jacqueline. So Mary has to

693
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:51,639
go looking for Jacqueline, and this
is how this movie unfolds. She finds

694
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:57,079
out Jacqueline rented a room and all
it had was a now cent a chair

695
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,320
And that's what I was talking about
couple of minutes ago. The room that

696
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,920
she rented was above a restaurant called
Dante's. Oh interesting, yeah exactly.

697
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:12,159
Yes, you have the Dante Inferno
reference there, right, and these are

698
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:15,280
all in film and literature, right, you're a she's proto golf for sure.

699
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,599
You're going to constantly have Milton and
Dante referenced, Yeah, I mean

700
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:25,960
endlessly and Shakespeare. So the sister
Mary goes to the Missing Persons bureau and

701
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:30,800
it's super busy. So there's something
they're saying right there, like this is

702
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,320
kind of a thing that happens.
Yeah, this cult is getting rid of

703
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,119
victims, and you think it's it's
not what you think. You think it's

704
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:45,920
going to be. This you know, mind controlled satanic coven existing in a

705
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,239
you know estate, somewhere, but
it's actually a bunch of people that gather

706
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,960
in a condo in a city,
and it's a bunch of prominent people in

707
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,800
the city, but it's in it
like thirteen people. It's like it's like

708
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,079
it's like an actual coven. Yeah, and they're recruiting people, bringing them

709
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:08,039
in and finding people who want to
go along with their cult ideology, even

710
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:11,280
to the point of wanting to die. So I thought this was interesting.

711
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,760
The whole thing centers around this cosmetics
company. Yes, the cult runs a

712
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:24,719
cosmetics company and has trapezoids as their
symbol, which are parallelograms rather is a

713
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,679
now I'm now almost all fei is
a triangle with the top cut off and

714
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,400
a parallelogram I think is like a
okay, but the rectangle that has.

715
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:39,039
The reason I'm saying that is because
I think Lavay says that trapezoids are satanic

716
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:45,960
because because they're incomplete, right,
they represent the unfinished Ashlar and the you

717
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:50,800
know, incomplete, the great work
is incomplete. Yeah, and it also

718
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,880
supposedly attracts the demonic and whatever because
of their because it's not right. It's

719
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,559
like all cause it a frustrum.
Yeah. So the so that's what was

720
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,440
in the movie. Yeah, and
that's what he talks about. So they

721
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,119
used but one of their it's two
different symbols. One of them is a

722
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:18,440
triangle and one of them is a
parallelogram. Right, so there's a mysterious

723
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:28,679
psychiatrist claims to be taking care of
her um. Come to find out,

724
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:36,840
the one of the coven people took
the cosmetic company from her, and they

725
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,159
were using their satanic logo as the
logo of the cosmetics. So wait,

726
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:49,440
it wasn't the cosmetics wasn't connected to
the cult. It was after well she

727
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:54,360
okay, so she owned the cosmetics
company and they she got wrapped up in

728
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,320
this cult. Jacqueline okay, the
dark haired girl, right, her and

729
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,119
this other lady and this, like
several people from the cosmetics company were in

730
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:06,559
the cult. And Jacqueline starts going
crazy. All of the forties ladies look

731
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:10,320
like the same lady. I mean, this this is the only one that

732
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,440
you can distinguish because you've got her
turf bangs. Like everybody else is just

733
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:15,079
a forties lady. And they're all
the same, right, they all look

734
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:21,479
the same. So the cult is
taking over the cosmetics company. Jacqueline's going

735
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,680
crazy, yes, and it just
gets worse from there. It has a

736
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,119
very bad ending. Um, but
the cult is trying to get Jacqueline to

737
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:36,479
kill herself because they voted on non
violence. It's a non violence so they're

738
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,479
like get her in the room and
be raiding her for like all day and

739
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,479
night, trying to get her to
drink her own poison. That's right,

740
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,680
yeah, But I mean if you're
trying to get a person to do something

741
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:56,000
suicide, as you know, un
aliving themselves, I mean that's you're still

742
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:01,199
involved in murder. Yeah, it's
still right. Yeah. So I guess

743
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,479
they had done this to six other
people in the cult, right, and

744
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:11,720
she's the seventh and so she already
wanted this and she ended up using the

745
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,359
room with the new Senate at the
end. Gotcha. So let's move on

746
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,960
now to Um. Yeah, this
have some interesting elements, but I did

747
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:21,880
not think it was that good of
a film. It's a stupid ending,

748
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:30,399
and um, we'll stud Fritz Laying
next. Okay, what were you gonna

749
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,039
say? By the way, guys, if you want to, if you

750
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:38,880
if you would support the show through
the super chats, everybody is sting you

751
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,439
today. We're not getting I'm gonna
have to start doing some Marjo preaching over

752
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,079
here. And if I if I
preach like Marjo, what I get like

753
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:53,680
giant pay piggy stacks of cash Marjo
Bucks. So the plot does sound great,

754
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,560
but the problem is that the ending
of the film, the way it's

755
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,600
executed, it's it's silly. You'll
see if you watch I haven't picked them.

756
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,840
It's just not that good of a
movie. But it's very glorifying of

757
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,720
death. So all throughout the movie
that one of the neighbors was a dying

758
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:14,920
woman. The lady who lived next
to the news was dying, and at

759
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,279
the very end she goes out on
the town for one last like hurrah before

760
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:25,720
her death, and the healthy lady
just killers all. No, I mean,

761
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,279
I was just this movie didn't cut
keep my attention. I don't think

762
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:33,119
it was any good, but I
did enjoy M. Now, if you're

763
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:39,439
not seeing chrish Lang's m it's one
of the most important films. Most lists

764
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,039
will list it, as you know, top one hundred, and it has

765
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:50,800
Peter Laurie as the serial killer in
nineteen thirty one, and this movie influences

766
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:58,960
from henceforth all serial killer, all
true crime, all police procedurals in movie

767
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:03,800
and lit, so it's based on
an actual series of serial killers. According

768
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:13,000
to Lange in various interviews, the
most relevant is the character named I looked

769
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:20,399
all this up the Vampire of Duschdorf, Peter Kutin. Peter Cutin is the

770
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:27,119
vampire of Dusseldorf, and he also
has the hallowed title of quote king of

771
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,279
sex perverts. He's a puvert,
as Theoban. As the Obann would say,

772
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:38,840
yeah, guilty of nine counts of
bad things. So you can look

773
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:47,640
up Peter Cutin the vampire anyway,
So he goes into this, but according

774
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,800
to Fritz Lang, there was also
three other serial killers in Germany that influenced

775
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,720
this figure. But what I really
liked about this movie, if you haven't

776
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,760
seen it, we'll look a little
bit of the trailer here. I think

777
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,680
this is out of copyright so it
should be okay, it's that old.

778
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:12,000
I think this one was genuinely creepy
and done very well. Yeah, it's

779
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:17,239
a classic Janice Films and Nero Films
working with Fritz Lang on this. Well,

780
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,359
it was produced by Nero, but
Janice is a later i think British

781
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:27,920
company that owns it. But what
is weird that Jamie notice, first of

782
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,000
all, is that this movie doesn't
really have a protagonist, all right,

783
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:38,119
This movie has basically Peter Lauria as
the protagonist. But there's no other characters.

784
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,960
Is not that you've followed throughout the
whole thing that you obviously yeah,

785
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,279
obviously, I mean there's no characters. I'm saying there's no major lead characters.

786
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,359
Yeah. The only constant, there's
only one. You see the police

787
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,760
chief every now and then, but
he's not a character. Like, we're

788
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:58,680
not involved in any other character other
than the serial killer. And everyone,

789
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,159
you know, getting whipped up into
a tizzy, right, just like with

790
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,399
James Cagney. The whole city's got
to be basically shut down over this guy

791
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,479
because we can't find him, and
you know what's going on. And so

792
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:17,159
after several children end up missing and
going unalived, the police are in a

793
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,000
tizzy and they decide that they're going
to have the resort to any and every

794
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:28,439
mean means, and this means going
after all of the underground crime syndicates,

795
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:33,159
and going after all the underground crime
syndicates makes the gangsters mad. Now the

796
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:38,279
gangsters are mad at m and they
want to find it because there's too much

797
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:43,039
heat on the gangsters. They can't
run their rackets when the police are constantly

798
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,279
on the lookout for anything and everything. So this movie influenced Battle on Berlin

799
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,960
totally right, I think so.
And it's like nineteen thirties Berlin looks so

800
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,760
cold and shabby, it does not
look like a very prosperous places. Well,

801
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,239
they got hoboes and balloons though.
Look at those happy balloons that will

802
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:10,600
instill nightmare fuel forever. When when
the hobo gives you his balloon, don't

803
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,079
take candy from strangers. He's literally
lori hip into his trap by buying them

804
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:21,960
balloons in candy. Yes, classic
creeper move right. And also, um,

805
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:29,079
what we've not seen with the villains
that we've looked at with Cagney and

806
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,600
Robinson. Now we're getting into a
different type of weirdo creep villain, which

807
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,279
is the collector, right, so
a branch of the serial killers. They're

808
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:43,479
collectors. This actually gets novelized by
John Fowls in his novel The Collector.

809
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:47,640
And if you don't know, we've
covered John Fowls as the Megas tons of

810
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,880
times. I'm kind of tired of
covering Jamie and I even did them.

811
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:58,680
Okaye Magash movie Domagash Dash Magic,
Black Magic Foe, Black Fool Magic,

812
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,680
The Mega Us with Michael Caine.
The movie is okay, it's not as

813
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:08,479
good as the book. The book's
really good. And you have this Illuminati

814
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,720
figure. Literally the novel mentions the
Illuminati. You have this Greek zillionaire who's

815
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,760
basically just messing with people for fun, right um staging things, etcetera,

816
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,000
etcetera. But John Fowls is famous
also for writing this novel for The Collector,

817
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:30,800
which became a movie in nineteen sixty
five, which is about the creeper

818
01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:38,640
who has to not just collect women, but even when the women pass away,

819
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:45,079
he collects. He collects whatever he
can. He might he might do

820
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:51,840
what Norman Bates does and taxiderm them
well to collect, to collect. Yeah,

821
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,680
I got a bunch of girl friends. They over there with my taxidermy

822
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,880
right there. That also comes up
in The Black Cat. I was gonna

823
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,920
say, Yeah, Boris Karloff in
The Black Cat is a collector, and

824
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:13,359
so it would seem that m has
an element of this too, and will

825
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:18,439
notice that he I think he's possessed. And that's interesting because chritz Lange I

826
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,279
don't think had any religious views unless
he was some kind of an occultist.

827
01:16:23,359 --> 01:16:28,880
I think he was a socialist,
and he supposedly wasn't happy about the socialism

828
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,960
of Tiny Mustache Man, but he
was a socialist still. I don't think

829
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,319
it was a Bolshevik, but maybe
some other kind of just normy socialist.

830
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:44,920
And you see the socialism obviously in
the Metropolis, which we've talked about.

831
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,479
I have a chapter on Metropolis in
my book that's very platonic, with the

832
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,760
elites being the brain of the city
and the workers being the body in the

833
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:58,119
heart of the city. So there's
some interesting socialism in that. But of

834
01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:04,159
course Metropolis also has the cult satanic
satanic elements with the bringing to life of

835
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:11,680
the girl right of the Ai.
So there's a lot of esoteric prophetic stuff

836
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,359
in fritz Langforsure. And again I
just don't know if he was into anything

837
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:18,880
a cultic. I haven't read biographies
on him. But if you guys don't

838
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:27,479
know, everybody for sure has seen
Right. That's probably the most classic expressionist

839
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,439
occult film. Yeah, and it
predicts right Metropolis. Yeah, it predicts

840
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:43,239
the aim and the sex bot right
as the result of satanic science basically.

841
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:49,000
Yeah, and sci fi too,
m it's expressionists more sci fi. Yeah,

842
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:53,960
but I'm talking about the predictive,
predictive elements. It predicts um,

843
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:00,680
the rise of Satanism, it predicts
Ai transhuman is m tech right, because

844
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:06,319
doesn't he have a mechanical hand?
Yeah? Yeah, Rot Rot Wang?

845
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:13,960
What's his name? Yeah. So
the point is that obviously Fritz Laying matters

846
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:19,439
in film because when he does M, what year was Metropolis nineteen twenty seven?

847
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,279
Yeah, so just a few years
later he does M and M is

848
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:31,039
again serial killers before serial killers.
I mean black Cat is what you're because

849
01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:36,239
that's a serial killer. Okay,
so this is prior to to Black Cat?

850
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:43,479
And what year is um Caligary that's
the only one that's prior to this,

851
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:53,439
right, the only serial killer film
pric in his cabinet, what his

852
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:58,359
victim's collectibles? I think? So, yeah, he's a collective. Yeah,

853
01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:05,600
he's a collector. And then he's
a serial killer who collects these angles.

854
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:12,479
I'm sure they would have something to
say about those surrealist angles and those

855
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:18,079
expressionists. Yes, it's surrealism expressionism
together. That's why you see man Ray

856
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:26,000
and salvad Or Dolly continue a lot
of this stuff in there artworks. But

857
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,920
you even in Manray, right,
you get this idea of being a quote

858
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:38,039
collection because he's collecting women's parts,
and women are in parts in man Ray's

859
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:43,680
art. It's it's super satanic obviously, right um. And part of the

860
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,119
notion of surrealism too, which you
should which I've talked to I couldn't find.

861
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:49,239
I have a book on Surrealism in
film, and I couldn't find it,

862
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:55,680
but it's really good because it talks
about the notion of the surrealist philosophy

863
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,720
being that there's there's no dividing between
the waking state and the dream state.

864
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,720
And if you come to that realization
in as a surrealist, you know,

865
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:09,600
artists or filmmaker, then you're going
to realize that you're not guilty for any

866
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:14,439
of your actions. And this plays
into the Black Dahlias story because the idea

867
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,079
is that George Hoddell and the people's
inner circles were into this kind of ritual

868
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:23,159
crime because they justified it by their
belief that, well, I'm not guilty

869
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:26,520
because there's no difference between the waking
state and the dream stay. So if

870
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,399
I'm not guilty of doing nasty things
in my dreams, and how can I

871
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:31,319
be guilty in this life? Because
this life, it's a dream state,

872
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,560
that's the reasoning. But all of
this time period is secretly, you could

873
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:41,840
say, influenced by a lot of
the satanic and occult stuff in the kind

874
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,159
of underground way, because this is
prior to the Hayze Code. Once the

875
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,600
Hayze Code comes in I think in
the late thirties, and it goes all

876
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:53,359
the way until those sometime in the
sixties, you get now you can't show

877
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,680
right husband and wife in the same
bed, this kind of stuff because in

878
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,439
Black Cat, like the honeymooners have
the same bed because it is prior to

879
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:05,800
the Hayes Code. Oh okay,
So in m in Berlin in nineteen thirty

880
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:11,520
one, this whole crime spree is
making it so that nobody can trust each

881
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,720
other because it could be anyone,
and uh, the kids can't trust the

882
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:20,560
adults. The adults don't trust each
other. And the killer is writing into

883
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,239
the police and the press. So
a lot of movies draw from this,

884
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,479
well, not just that, like
so actual serial killers, I mean,

885
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,840
like the Zodiac killer writes into the
news. Aha, you can't catch me.

886
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,000
Here's my code of you know,
Zodiac symbols decode it, right,

887
01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:43,199
which and he's using like military code
and cipher's which is partly why people thought,

888
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:47,479
oh, this is somebody you know
in terms of involved in the military.

889
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,800
Right. Have you heard when the
Zodiac guy supposedly calls on the radio

890
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:56,239
show in real I mean in real
life. No, yeah, this is

891
01:21:56,279 --> 01:22:00,960
a famous, famous event where he
calls into a radio So that was in

892
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:05,439
the movie. Yeah, but it's
real I mean supposedly, right, yeah,

893
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:11,319
Jim Dunbar show. So let's see, this is supposedly the Zodiac.

894
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,600
This is not the movie. This
is in real life, right, And

895
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:19,920
I'm showing you this because Peter Laurie, as the murderer m writes in his

896
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:25,079
code letters to the police. Off
to the police station, Bella, accompanied

897
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:29,319
by police and newsman, waited forty
five minutes. Today, the keeper rendezvous

898
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:33,520
with Sam Francisco as the Zodiac killer
of five persons. Avano made the appointment,

899
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,840
never showed up. Meeting was arranged
this morning when I called her,

900
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:45,159
identifying himself as Sam, reached Bella
on a KGOTV talk show and whether this

901
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:47,319
is him or not, No,
obviously nobody knows. But it's interesting that

902
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:55,239
he's calling himself Sam, given the
fact that Sam plays in the Berkowitz right,

903
01:22:56,279 --> 01:23:00,479
son of Sam. But now suddenly
the Zodiac killer is calling in as

904
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,239
Sam. Suppose he said he was
the Zodiac killer. I needed help.

905
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:11,840
Here's how it looked and sound talk. Just tell us what's going on inside

906
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,800
you right now? So please?
I have headache? Right? How long

907
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:21,319
have you had those headaches? That
Sam? In a long time? If

908
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:26,920
I killed a kid? Right,
wasn't the poor the summer that you have

909
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:32,560
the headaches? Were you in service
that you might have had an injury in

910
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,920
service? Would you ever fall out
of a tree or downstairs? We're ever

911
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:42,239
unconscious? Did you ever? Did
you ever have an injury in the service?

912
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,479
Maybe you fell out of a tree. Did you fall in your head

913
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,560
when you're a baby when the general
told you to get up in that tree?

914
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:53,600
Son, you fall out of a
tree in the service? No,

915
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:58,359
you don't remember. Has aspend me
any good? No, it doesn't do

916
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,039
any good, Sam aspiring to you
when I'm a serial killer. I'm calling

917
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:05,079
in, by the way, and
I have headaches. Have you tried aspiring

918
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,600
stuff? Never did me? Goodbye? To what I had said. Let

919
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,439
me ask you a question. Did
you, um, did you tend to

920
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,079
call this program one other time when
mister bell I was with us and you

921
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:20,199
go, did you try to call
us one other time about two two or

922
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:24,800
three weeks ago, and when mel
bell I was with us? Yeah,

923
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:28,399
and you well, and we wouldn't
get through and we didn't get tie of

924
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,880
the phones were tied up. Was
at it? Yeah? So let me

925
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,079
ask you this. There's some reason
why you go to a particular doctor or

926
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:41,800
a particular priest. For some reason
why apparently you wanted to talk to me

927
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:45,319
or lead. Is it that you
feel that we have compassion for people who

928
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:49,079
get in trouble, or is it
you feel that if we can do something

929
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:55,399
for you, or is it you
feel that we're have enough integrity and if

930
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,800
we promise you something that we're going
to stick to it. Well, let's

931
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,880
find out why wanted to talk?
Why did you want to use mister Belli?

932
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:10,520
Sam, I don't want to be
heard, ready to teach, So

933
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,920
there's that. I just thought it
was interesting. Um, this notion of

934
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,600
right calling into the cops and leaving
the clues. We think of that as

935
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:23,319
a you know, Hannibal Lecter or
a modern basically every serial killer movie.

936
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:27,239
But it's Peter Laurie right, sending
in his letters. Did you notice what

937
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:32,560
the new the letters said, Um, no, part of their narcissism.

938
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,760
Well, there's a different thing going
on with Lorie though, because he I

939
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,319
mean, I'm sure he is a
kind of a narcissist, but um,

940
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:48,199
he's possessed, like to the extent
that he's not in control of his faculties.

941
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:54,359
Right. So, like Edwardy Robinson
and James Cagney, both of them

942
01:25:54,479 --> 01:26:00,199
have blinding migraine headaches. Remember they
both do, oh and but they never

943
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:05,319
dissociate. The closest thing that happens
with Cagney is that he starts talking to

944
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:10,000
his dead mom, but he doesn't
really dissociate. But they both have blinding

945
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,319
head and the blinding headaches are the
like they're blinded. You see, they're

946
01:26:14,319 --> 01:26:19,920
blind He said the same thing,
kind of who and his like pleading speech

947
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,800
at the end. Well, but
what I'm saying is that when Peter Laurie

948
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,760
gives his speech and says I can't
help it, he's saying I'm He's saying,

949
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,000
I'm possessed. The compulsion within me, screams and it takes over.

950
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:35,840
Yeah, that's what Psycho said.
Who the psycho? At the end?

951
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:42,319
Oh, Norman bates so many commonalities. You thought his name was Psycho.

952
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,159
Jamie just thinks that the name of
every movie is the name of the character,

953
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:53,920
and his name is well, he
kind of is. He's murderer.

954
01:26:54,119 --> 01:27:00,760
So okay, who's your favorite actor
star Wars? Well call is that Luke?

955
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,760
Or is that Chewbacca? Who star
Wars? Han Solo is Star Wars?

956
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:08,159
We call Everard g Rods and Keys
because they couldn't remember his real name,

957
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:12,399
but that he was in Key largot
hoods right by the way. I

958
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,680
put Key Largo in the movie,
and I forgot we don't have notes on

959
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,159
Key Largo. But I'll fix that. I'm gonna we'll flip out Key Largo

960
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:24,239
with Fritz Ling's M because M is
much more important film than Key Largo.

961
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:28,159
But although Key Largo is pretty good. Um, So, the crime bosses

962
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:30,600
have to band together to catch him
because the police are overwhelmed going house to

963
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:38,199
house. They're making up um,
domestic spying, see something, say something,

964
01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:42,199
neighborhood watch type stuff. They set
up neighbor neighbor watches everybody's supposed to

965
01:27:42,199 --> 01:27:45,359
spy on their neighbors over this one
killer, right, which the when the

966
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:50,560
serial killer phenomenon pops off in the
seventies. This is Dave McGowan's critique of

967
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:56,479
the serial killer phenomena. Remember Dave
Dave McGowan made the point that that was

968
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,880
to get everybody in society atomized and
no longer connected with other people, which

969
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:09,159
seems a word. And then they
have to recruit the beggars to be spies.

970
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,479
Yeah, well this is an idea. Interestingly, that the criminal underclass,

971
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:18,159
the organized crime figures decide that they
will have the network of beggars.

972
01:28:18,279 --> 01:28:23,840
That's actually not new though, that
was done by the British Royals were doing

973
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:28,640
that back in the day. So
like the Queen Elizabeth Right, she had

974
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:33,520
a giant spy network that wasn't just
professional spies like she would hire street urchins

975
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:38,640
to spy for her. And this
is also if you read Star Arthur Conan

976
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,520
Doyle, who, by the way, it turns out, was a Fabian

977
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,680
socialist. Conan Doyle has Charlock Holmes
has a network of hobos. So the

978
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,520
hobo network is also an untapped spy
network. But the criminals in em are

979
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:57,039
aware of that, so they recruit
the hobos. Yeah, and that's how

980
01:28:57,279 --> 01:29:00,319
m gets caught, is the hobos. It's not the police, it's the

981
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:05,199
criminal underground that it's up catching him. Yeah. Um, he compulsively whistles

982
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:10,840
the same tune. Yes, that
was interesting because yeah, the eighteen twelve

983
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:18,279
overture. Yeah, oh, I'm
gonna get triggered. I'm gonna start.

984
01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:24,000
You're gonna be singing at anton dots
and songs here in a little bit.

985
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,359
Hi'd your kids? How'd your wife? Because they everybody out here, you

986
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,760
don't have to come and confess you
noticed that maybe kill bills the whistles,

987
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:38,479
and of course it is. Yeah, so this is why Tarantino has Daryl

988
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,680
Hannah come in to kill Beatrix kiddo, and she's whistling that. Um.

989
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:54,920
Yeah, So this is an homage
to Peter Laurie as the killer who is

990
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,199
triggered by his whistling. So for
whatever reason, whenever he's about to do

991
01:29:58,319 --> 01:30:03,039
it, he starts compulsively whistling that
overdure. Well, there's some interesting imagery

992
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:08,680
like Okay, so he's walking through
town and he's not thinking about killing and

993
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:14,039
then he sees in a window of
a knife store, the reflection of a

994
01:30:14,079 --> 01:30:16,600
little kid with the knives, and
he gets a weird triggers him. Yeah,

995
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,640
and he has like a weird pleasure
moment and he gets triggered. And

996
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,199
the next store that he walks by
is a bookstore with a hip like an

997
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:31,239
old timey hypnotic trance spiral spiraling right, and a thing there it is behind

998
01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:38,199
him, so it is definitely talking
about like hypnotism trance. Well, he's

999
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:45,159
in a trance state when he's triggered
by the sight of youth, right,

1000
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:49,760
when he sees the youth out and
he thinks of like knives and like this

1001
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,439
triggers him and he starts to go
into this dissociative state. So he really

1002
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,840
does dissociate and he talks about it
later on, and you see the spiral

1003
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,359
spinning behind him just symbolic of his
trance state. And that's why he explains

1004
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:08,760
to the to the criminal court,
because he actually gets kidnapped by the crime

1005
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:15,600
syndicate and they hold an underground crime
criminal mafia court. It's no, it's

1006
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,560
a mafia court, and they convict
him and they're like, you're not going

1007
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,920
to get away with your insanity plea
right, yes, because he knows that

1008
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,720
if they know, if he's tried
in the normal courts, he'll plead insanity

1009
01:31:29,119 --> 01:31:30,640
and he might get off. And
they're like, the state will have to

1010
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,560
pay for you. And the mobsters
are like, you shouldn't be a ward

1011
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:40,520
of the state being pampered up there
in the wherever prison. They mentioned one

1012
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,279
of those famous German prisons, but
I forgot which one it was. I

1013
01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:46,520
remember studying that in German class.
But um, they're like, no,

1014
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:55,039
you're you're we'll give you mafia justice. He has a monologue about how he

1015
01:31:56,039 --> 01:31:59,600
operates, and he's begging for mercy. He's saying, I have a cursed

1016
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,119
thing inside me. He's possessed,
he's always running from himself. He doesn't

1017
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:09,680
remember the killing when he's done.
Yeah, So he dissociates and says,

1018
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:13,840
I didn't realize the paper says this
is me doing this, and he's like,

1019
01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:15,119
and I couldn't believe it when I
read in the paper. And then

1020
01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:20,239
he said, but if I tried
to tell people that, you know,

1021
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,640
there's somebody else doing it with inside
him or something like, He's like,

1022
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:30,880
nobody will believe me, right,
And Norman Bates says the same thing,

1023
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,600
doesn't Yeah, oh did he say
that at the end? Yeah? Interesting.

1024
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,760
So here he is at the mafia
criminal court where the mobster's all decide

1025
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,159
he's guilty, and then the police
bust in and then they take him to

1026
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:48,920
the normal court and we don't exactly
know what the verdict is, but we

1027
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:54,439
think he probably is guilty. But
yeah, this film basically sets the stage

1028
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:59,760
for every future serial killer movie.
What did you think of him? It

1029
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:08,520
is good and creepy. There's some
other really interesting Fritz Lang Edward g.

1030
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,800
Robinson films that we did we're not
going to cover tonight. There's, um,

1031
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:18,079
the one about the paintings. Um, actually there's two. I think

1032
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,600
I think Fritz Lang did the other
one too, that you where he's like

1033
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:29,039
the beta simp. Yeah, so
in Scarlett Street, edwardgie Robinson plays the

1034
01:33:29,079 --> 01:33:33,520
beta simp who is like totally duped
by this chick that he trusts a white

1035
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:40,159
knight. Remember that. But yeah, that is a Fritz Lang movie that's

1036
01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:46,520
mentioned don la bas List, Yes, because what because he's a yeah so

1037
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,640
she yeah, there it is.
She cons Edward g Robinson right there,

1038
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:57,920
and that's a it's a pretty good
movie. But I actually thought the the

1039
01:33:58,039 --> 01:34:02,920
other one about the painting the woman
in the window, I actually thought this

1040
01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:10,760
was a better film. So this
is another Fritz Laying film where and both

1041
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,840
of those though, have a really
important place for artwork. Icons and paintings

1042
01:34:16,039 --> 01:34:19,800
like paintings play a key role in
both of these films. Did you did

1043
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,960
you notice that? Because he's a
painter and he thinks he's gonna win over

1044
01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:31,079
this hood chick, right, this
ratchet hood chick right with his paintings,

1045
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:33,880
not in this one, but in
the other one. And in this one

1046
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:39,079
he goes off into a dream state
and then he the girl that's in the

1047
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:44,079
painting shows up and says, oh, come with me on this you know,

1048
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,560
adventure, and he gets all wrapped
up and all this film fatal stuff.

1049
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:51,199
And but this is a surrealist film
because he's he's lost in this dream

1050
01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:57,439
state for most of this movie.
Following this you know babe that wraps him

1051
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,159
up in this drama. You gotta
watch out for the game. The broads

1052
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:04,760
with the Gams, Right, the
Broads with the Gams will be your undoing

1053
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:12,039
if you're in a nineteen forties film, for sure, Yes, so is

1054
01:35:12,079 --> 01:35:15,439
that good? We gotta do suns
at Boulevard right, one of the most

1055
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,920
important films also of all time,
I think. Okay, um Gloria Swanson,

1056
01:35:21,159 --> 01:35:27,960
she's interesting in character because she's kind
of playing herself, Yes, because

1057
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:35,520
she actually was a well she was
a silent movie star. Yeah. And

1058
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:42,119
it also it's a this is a
meta film because it also includes um cecil

1059
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:47,520
be the mill Right as himself Norman
Desmond Glaris. Swanson is playing a silent

1060
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:53,560
film erastar, which she was,
and I didn't even realize until this time

1061
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:59,800
watching it that she also has a
psychotic break and associates to an altar where

1062
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,720
she was. She's a younger version
of her in one of her early films,

1063
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,319
remember at the end. Yeah.
So, by the way, if

1064
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:09,960
you haven't seen some Sense of Bullard, you you must see this. It

1065
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:12,960
is one of the most important I
think. Like one of the cool things

1066
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:17,279
about these shows is that we don't
know when we pick them, like they're

1067
01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:21,640
in the James genre. Yes,
but there's so many common themes in them

1068
01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:27,079
that you don't you wouldn't recognize unless
you wash them all in a clump like

1069
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:30,000
we do. That's a good point, yeah, I mean, unless you're

1070
01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:33,000
doing a study of film. No
whir you won't. You won't notice these

1071
01:36:33,039 --> 01:36:38,479
things in particular like the now.
I mean, I think people that study

1072
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,279
film know these things because you have
to. You'll take a class on film

1073
01:36:42,359 --> 01:36:45,520
the while and you'll watch a bunch
of these. But we watched a few

1074
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,800
of these in some of my film
classes in my university, and that kind

1075
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,319
of introduced me to this stuff.
But I'm, by no means any kind

1076
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:55,560
of expert in this, but I
mean sends that Boulevard is famous not just

1077
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,279
for being really weird and ahead of
its time in terms of the dark kind

1078
01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:03,960
of film that is, but it's
also a very famous screenplay. Um,

1079
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:10,319
it's a hallowed, respected dialogue and
all that. So you know, at

1080
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:13,439
this time you have to have the
snappy dialogue or that's a huge part of

1081
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,520
the film. It doesn't, it's
not really. I mean, I think,

1082
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:23,439
who's William holding? Yeah, I
mean he was a big draw.

1083
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:33,279
But the main draw at this time, right is stars and dialogue, and

1084
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:38,199
then everything else is kind of after
that, Like people didn't really care so

1085
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:40,920
even so much about the plot.
I mean, the plot matter, but

1086
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,000
I'm saying that for the Hollywood studio
system, they're concerned with the star and

1087
01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:49,119
the money, right, the story
and the art and all that's down down

1088
01:37:49,159 --> 01:37:53,239
the road. They're not as so
that's not what drives a lot of these.

1089
01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:58,239
And that's different from the nineteen thirties
with the silent films, because before

1090
01:37:58,279 --> 01:38:01,079
the Hayze Code and all that,
they were very experimental. They were interested

1091
01:38:01,159 --> 01:38:06,319
in doing film for art purposes.
But by the time of the studio system,

1092
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:12,439
now it's star driven, it's money
driven, and there's all there.

1093
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,279
You have the Hayes Code and all
that, so you can't show a lot

1094
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:17,319
of things and do a lot of
things that you could in the silent era.

1095
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,600
So this is in nineteen fifty,
so a little bit later, but

1096
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,600
still has the same feel of the
other guys. And there's a murder in

1097
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:36,000
Hollywood and the main characters is a
penniless writer for a paramount and he's the

1098
01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:40,439
one murder and he's telling you the
story of his murder, right, and

1099
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:45,560
he can't get a break. The
repoman's after him. He ends up at

1100
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,079
Lauras Swanson's house by accident. By
accident, right, he's trying to get

1101
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:53,239
away from the repo man are going
to take his car away, and he's

1102
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,760
he's actually a good writer, right, Like he did a couple screenplays that

1103
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,760
got him famous, but he's got
writer block and he can't figure out anything

1104
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,239
good, and so you know,
he's out of work. So now he's

1105
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,960
on the lamb from the repo man
and he ends up parking in her garage,

1106
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:16,640
just some giant old Hollywood estate right
in the hills, and he ends

1107
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:25,159
up wrapped up in this just insane
nonsense from which she has built around her.

1108
01:39:25,399 --> 01:39:30,880
Her and her butler, who is
Eric von Stronheim, who Levy was

1109
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:38,399
a fan of his movies too.
So he's an old famous director playing a

1110
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,359
butler who was an old director.
Yeah, playing himself. So again a

1111
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:47,439
bunch of meta you know elements to
this movie. Yea with Cecil b de

1112
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:53,039
Mill again playing himself. M One
of the weirdest things about this movie was

1113
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:57,720
the scene with the dead monkey.
So this is what the writer comes upon

1114
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,800
when he knocks on her door a
night, you know, just wanting to

1115
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,319
use the phone or whatever, and
they're about to have a funeral for a

1116
01:40:03,399 --> 01:40:09,359
monkey. Remember that. Yeah,
Because she's basically like Jacko, remember Jacko

1117
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,479
with bubbles, right, Yeah,
I mean, just totally insane, but

1118
01:40:14,039 --> 01:40:16,720
it was such a big star at
one point that they just went nuts.

1119
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,439
Right. I mean we all know
this, right, the big A listers

1120
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,439
that gets they just go crazy,
like icons in monkeys, like Elvis had

1121
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:30,800
a monkey, Jackson had a monkey. I think that it's just it's a

1122
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,680
thing that people would do back in
the day to be quirky and weird to

1123
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,840
say that they had it, and
people would talk about it. Right,

1124
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,880
So it's another thing to do to
get people talking about you. So it's

1125
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,840
like viral marketing back in the day. Right, makes sense. But because

1126
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,920
remember in that movie about the Aliens, the subplot of that was a sitcom

1127
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:55,520
family got murdered by their pet monkey
or something. Nope, yeah, yeah,

1128
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:00,640
so there's something about that that throws
back to old Hollywoo would in their

1129
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:05,039
monkeys. Well, it's like when
Tony Montana like just buys a big ass

1130
01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:09,399
lion, yeah and puts it out
back right, Yeah, you have my

1131
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:15,880
lion. I got a tiger um
lions, tigers bears. Who cares?

1132
01:41:16,039 --> 01:41:20,079
So she's crazy because she was displaced
by the talkies. Yeah. So,

1133
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:27,119
but the reason we chose this also
is that she is a villain who is

1134
01:41:27,399 --> 01:41:36,880
an archetype prophetically speaking of today's narcissistic
social media person, especially the narcissistic female

1135
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:45,279
on social media, she's the perfect
prophetic prediction of this delusional and well,

1136
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,840
just the way that this woman again, so she's a rare case in the

1137
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:55,119
nineteen twenties, thirties and forties,
right, How many people in nineteen twenty

1138
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:59,479
thirties and forties would be seen by
millions of people almost nobody, right,

1139
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:09,439
So she represents the the fragile psychosis
of a narcissist produced by the Hollywood machine

1140
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:14,920
at that time. But nobody could
have imagined what if everybody had this phony

1141
01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:18,039
offer that they could be the star
of their own story. They could be

1142
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:21,399
an a lister, they can be
everybody can be famous on the Internet.

1143
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:31,760
And the offer there of endless,
infinite pseudo attention online is what Norma Desmond

1144
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:40,159
represents. Right. Today's people on
Instagram or whatever seeking Internet fame are the

1145
01:42:40,279 --> 01:42:45,640
embodiment of what she is, and
she goes nuts and snaps. So she's

1146
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:50,359
another one of these characters that eventually
dissociation snaps. And it has to do

1147
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:58,119
with the way that the narcissist constructs
his delusion and then at a when there's

1148
01:42:58,119 --> 01:43:03,199
a time when reality crashed in so
hard that the delusion collapses and they have

1149
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:09,239
a breakdown. And this is actually
what the psychiatrist says at the end of

1150
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:14,319
Psycho about Norman Bates. What I
just said is exactly what he said about

1151
01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:16,920
Norman Bates. But in this it
happens in the exact same way where Norma

1152
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:24,199
Desmond flips out when her world crashes
and she dissociates, and her being led

1153
01:43:24,359 --> 01:43:28,039
off to go to jail is for
her the next movie, because all the

1154
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:30,760
press is there for her, right
even though she's just killed this guy.

1155
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,520
Yeah, and so she thinks she
can make comeback, and she's using the

1156
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:42,359
writer to write her movie so that
she can relive her glory days. Her

1157
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,680
whole life is a movie. She
is the director and the star of her

1158
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,399
own movie, and everyone else is
an actor in her personal play. And

1159
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,399
her house is a shrine to herself
and also her prison. It's both,

1160
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,039
and William Holden when he's there,
describes it like it's a prison, and

1161
01:43:59,079 --> 01:44:01,600
in fact, there's several scenes where
when he's dressed up in a tuxedo like

1162
01:44:02,039 --> 01:44:06,119
Rudolph Valentino, she starts dressing him
right too, because she wants him to

1163
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:09,920
play the part of when she used
to date you know, the A listeners

1164
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,520
back in the nineteen twenties, right, And so he's got this tuxedo on

1165
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,359
and he's in the people his age
are all like, why are you dressing

1166
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,760
like this? Why are you acting
like this? Riding around and like these

1167
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:27,640
giant leopard skin limousines, and uh, He's like, look, I gotta

1168
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,680
do what I gotta do, right, And I think he thinks that he'll

1169
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,600
get her money, right because she
has all this money and she talks about

1170
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,840
she's always she's always buying him stuff. She's like, I have all the

1171
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:43,520
money. At one he's trying to
write Salomy for her. Her life story

1172
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:48,119
is this horrible story that she's written
as Salome, and so this reminds us

1173
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:55,560
of Oscar Wilde and Salome is,
of course the person who had John the

1174
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,800
Baptist be headed, right. Yeah, It's it's funny because there's a bit

1175
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:08,239
of truth in her ridiculous story because
her dance is not Salome's sexy dance.

1176
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:14,439
Her dance is all of the glitz
and the glam that she's leading William holding

1177
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:18,119
down this uh primrose path to his
doom, right, and he's gonna be

1178
01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:23,600
He's gonna be the John the Baptist. It ends up dead and everybody in

1179
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:28,199
her orbit is part of her play, but they're also in her prison,

1180
01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:32,880
like her butler slash ex husband.
She's cocked and imprisoned Eric von Stroheim,

1181
01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:38,760
who yeah, is always over there. She put him in the butler zone.

1182
01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:43,600
He like, like Calisi put what's
his name in the captain friends zone,

1183
01:45:44,279 --> 01:45:51,159
she butler zone. I mean,
I'd rather be in the friends zone

1184
01:45:51,159 --> 01:45:55,800
in the butler zone, right,
because you're still you're basically a servant.

1185
01:45:55,880 --> 01:46:00,479
But he's serving her because he is
part of what damaged her because he said

1186
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,319
that he's the one that put her
in the movies when she was sixteen.

1187
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,159
Well, and you almost feel like
he might be a handler at one point

1188
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:11,760
because at the at the at the
end scene even though he's like a he's

1189
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:16,319
a he's a cuckler, the cuckler, uh, he's her butler. At

1190
01:46:16,359 --> 01:46:20,159
the end, he has to like
get her to come downstairs when all the

1191
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:27,159
cops and the and the press show
up, and he's like, trust me,

1192
01:46:27,279 --> 01:46:29,960
I know how to do this.
Let me handle it. And he's

1193
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:34,640
like, Norma, are you ready
for the scene action, and she's like,

1194
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,239
is it all? I know,
the kind of all right? Yeah,

1195
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:44,920
And so then she she goes back
into thinking that she's on the set

1196
01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:49,279
of her like nineteen eighteen film when
she played Salome, because I think she

1197
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:58,000
did place she played some kind of
elaborate Yeah. Remember she's wearing I showed

1198
01:46:58,039 --> 01:47:04,680
you the pictures of her and her
real remember, yeah, she's wearing a

1199
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:12,600
peacock right, Yeah, when she
was a silent This is real film that

1200
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,880
she's in, right with this giant
peacock a dress. So she might have

1201
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,359
actually played like a salom A figure, right, this this is what I'm

1202
01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:26,199
trying to find, right, go
ahead, I'm just making this point that

1203
01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:30,960
was from a like a notable movie
that peacock address. It's some old silent

1204
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:35,239
film, yeah, and it's people
get stranded on a on an island and

1205
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:40,000
there's like a primitive tribe there and
she's like the queen of the tribe or

1206
01:47:40,039 --> 01:47:44,720
something. Right, So anyway,
okay, um. Oh, she's also

1207
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:50,520
has a unliving ideation. Yeah,
she has tried three times too unlive.

1208
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,439
Um, but we don't know if
she really because she's such a narcissist that

1209
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:00,119
we don't know that. She she's
an actress, so is she acting right?

1210
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:04,359
She's manipulated. She's manipulating everybody,
right, because every time he wants

1211
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:08,039
to strike out on his own a
little bit, she's like, she's like,

1212
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:15,439
right, do your eyes you're doing
good? Yes, that's every scene

1213
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:20,239
is She's like Joan Crawford before drunk. Joan Crawford basically didn't she Yeah,

1214
01:48:20,239 --> 01:50:00,760
because Joe Crawford always plays that's crazy. A short in the chord. So

1215
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:05,159
if you're wondering why it froze there
all these comments yesterday, I was like,

1216
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:09,960
I'm gonna have to buy a new
microphone. I know that, So

1217
01:50:10,119 --> 01:50:13,920
I'm sorry. I don't have a
new microphone between yesterday today, so I

1218
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:16,239
know. I know. There's So
we're doing a silent film, so there's

1219
01:50:16,279 --> 01:50:19,039
no there's no sound on purpose.
Get it. It's a silent film.

1220
01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:21,760
Get it with your eyes. There's
a short in the chord, so if

1221
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:26,520
you barely touch it, it goes
out. And then everybody's like, no

1222
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,800
sound, no sound, No,
I know, we're doing a silent movie.

1223
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:33,920
Okay, so what next we are
we doing? With sense I like

1224
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:42,840
her extreme beauty treatments are amusing her
over the top and when she shot him

1225
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,520
in the back, he just keeps
walking like he was that determined to leave

1226
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:50,600
her all the nineteen forties. Well, this is fifty but gunshots, they

1227
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:57,039
shoot from down. It's very dramatic, and you keep walking and like you

1228
01:50:57,079 --> 01:51:03,399
get herkey jerky motion going and then
fall over. So and she's got that

1229
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:10,880
main character energy. Well, she's
an narcisstic psychopad delusional, you know,

1230
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:17,560
slay queen who has a mental break
and associates m One thing that was interesting.

1231
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,399
I don't know if this is real
or not, but there was a

1232
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:24,359
scene when all of the news cameras
were going to her house after the guy

1233
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,760
was murdered, and it said Paramount
News on it. So did the studios

1234
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:32,920
produce news also? I don't know. That would be interesting when it comes

1235
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:39,279
to FAKA news. Yeah, I
don't know. Um, I don't know

1236
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:43,399
why I said Paramount News, but
that's a good point. Maybe in the

1237
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:49,039
nineteen fifties there was a Paramount news
channel, but the next you know,

1238
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:58,439
do you know what I just realized
too what the final scene of Sunset Boulevard

1239
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:05,520
is very similar to the final scene
of To Die For. Do you remember

1240
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:12,000
when they catch Nicole Kidman as a
killer, and it's all the presses there

1241
01:52:12,079 --> 01:52:15,399
and she acts just like Norma Desmond. She's like, she's like, this

1242
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:18,920
is my big moment. Yeah here
it is right here. So the weather

1243
01:52:19,039 --> 01:52:24,039
reporter who wants to be like the
star, right, Nicole Kidman is literally

1244
01:52:24,119 --> 01:52:28,359
playing another Norma Desmond figure, right, a person who's willing to, you

1245
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:32,760
know, do anything to be famous
in media, including murder. And then

1246
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,640
when she gets caught and she's just
happy that all the cameras are there on

1247
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:40,760
her right. So the police are
there and they're like, did you were

1248
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,479
you involved in all this? Oh? Yeah sure. By the way,

1249
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:48,800
I'm a star now. Um,
there's another Nightcrawler with the Jake Jillenhall,

1250
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:57,680
same thing, right, Jake,
Jake Jillenhall is a stringer you see Nightcrawler.

1251
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,479
No, So he's a stringer.
And then he realized that he can

1252
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:06,640
start arranging the new scene, the
crime scenes to get a better reaction.

1253
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,720
And then he like climbs his way
up right and steps on anybody in his

1254
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:18,680
way to be a media mogul.
So multiple films again with this this idea

1255
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:24,800
ahead, what's next? Psycho Psycho? By the way, if You're not

1256
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:31,640
seen to Die for It's a great
movie making this point about media and now

1257
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:41,439
social media. Right, we were
just talking about Sunset Boulevard and To Die

1258
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:45,760
for It. Now we're going to
talk about Psycho. You got your Psycho

1259
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:55,760
notes. Now I assume everybody's seen
Psycho, so I'm not We're not gonna

1260
01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:02,000
rehearse all the plot again, but
the most reliv will be Norm Bates and

1261
01:54:02,199 --> 01:54:11,159
his Norman Gilbates and his uh dissociation? Can you not find it? Okay?

1262
01:54:11,279 --> 01:54:14,880
So this is the first neo noir, right, So Nowah takes a

1263
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:18,000
break I think, uh, I
forget the exact date, but late fifties,

1264
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:25,840
and then makes a comeback in nineteen
sixty Psychos nineteen sixty, right is

1265
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:31,319
it? Yeah? That comeback is
neo nowa. She starts off breaking all

1266
01:54:31,399 --> 01:54:35,000
of the horror movie tropes that you
can't break if you want to live,

1267
01:54:35,159 --> 01:54:42,840
which is uh shacking up. She
started out up shacking it up with a

1268
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:47,279
boyfriend somewhere in a hotel, robbing
her employer. Then she realizes that she

1269
01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:53,199
can take it. I forget how
much money it is. Yeah, So

1270
01:54:53,319 --> 01:54:57,159
her boyfriend can't support her and they
have a little discussion about how they can't

1271
01:54:57,319 --> 01:55:01,680
have a normal life because he's just
a roused about. Yeah, he lives

1272
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,800
in the back of a dime store
and he works there or something. And

1273
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:09,760
so she has an opportunity to steal
forty thousand cash and she takes it and

1274
01:55:10,279 --> 01:55:15,600
flees out west and she's gonna go
to Vegas and make a new life for

1275
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:23,239
herself. And there's a great continual
layers and levels of suspense, right because

1276
01:55:24,439 --> 01:55:29,760
when she's on the run, right, she immediately starts getting followed and tracked

1277
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,199
by the police, And it's actually
done really well where you're you're you're starting

1278
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:34,079
to root for her, right,
You're like, oh, can't you do

1279
01:55:34,119 --> 01:55:36,119
it? Can't you get away?
And then she goes and buys a new

1280
01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:41,319
car, super suspicious, and she's
like, yeah, she is the what

1281
01:55:41,439 --> 01:55:44,720
did I say? It's like it's
a case study in how to be sus

1282
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:47,199
so if you're looking to be shady
and sus right, like, she's the

1283
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:53,600
worst version of it. When she's
on the run and she ends up at

1284
01:55:53,800 --> 01:56:00,239
Bates motelstel, Yes it is a
Mulder motel. Um she's in there with

1285
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,279
I would argue he's he's kind of
like the first in cell. I mean,

1286
01:56:03,359 --> 01:56:08,720
this is like straight up in cell
and he doesn't act. Another thing

1287
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:13,039
we noticed too when you watch this
film is that he doesn't act like even

1288
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:17,399
other actors in the nineteen sixties acted. He's a lot more natural. Yeah,

1289
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:23,399
I mean he comes off like a
real he's like a modern actor.

1290
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:28,279
Yeah. And he does a very
good sheepish like nice guy, super nice

1291
01:56:28,359 --> 01:56:34,159
dude. Yeah. But he has
a meal with her, and you said

1292
01:56:34,199 --> 01:56:41,439
this evil recognizes evil, So he's
got the evil touch and he sees that

1293
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,840
in her that she realizes that she's
on the run from something, and so

1294
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:49,000
he notices that she's done something right
because he can see the same type of

1295
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:54,399
guilty conscience between the two of them. And he's trapped there like one of

1296
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:58,760
his taxidermy animals. Yeah, and
he's obviously got a super creeper you know,

1297
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:03,039
nation habit with. He's a collector. So we were talking about serial

1298
01:57:03,079 --> 01:57:06,760
killers who are collectors, which was
a real thing, right, And Norman

1299
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:14,680
is a collector because in the taxidermy
represents for him right away to collect and

1300
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,920
control death, having power over life
and death. Right, And we know

1301
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:23,760
that he's killed his mom and her
husband eventually we find that out right,

1302
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:29,479
and so there is this weird again
connection to the mom much like James Cagney

1303
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:32,840
had very Freudian a lot of Freudian
stuff in this. And Hitchcock, by

1304
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:38,359
the way, made movies for British
Ministry of Information, so it's basically he

1305
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:47,239
was doing British intelligence work. Right. So the taxidermy thing is is interesting

1306
01:57:47,239 --> 01:57:53,800
because it's really symbolic for not just
his weird fascination, but other serial killers

1307
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,800
have a similar approach. So if
you remember, Dahmer basically does the exact

1308
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,479
same thing, right, I mean, this is very much a Dahmer kind

1309
01:58:00,479 --> 01:58:03,680
of thing. Although I don't think
Dahmer was like into cross dressing or anything

1310
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,600
like that, but he's a lot
of Dahmer in him. With the collecting

1311
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:14,000
the dead carcasses, well, um, inspiration from this had to come from

1312
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:20,159
Edgeene. Yeah. Edgeine was the
guy who made like she uh couches out

1313
01:58:20,199 --> 01:58:26,720
of skin and bone. He would
dig up bodies like Norman did. Oh

1314
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,920
yeah, he digged up his mom. He dig up his digging in the

1315
01:58:30,119 --> 01:58:36,199
dirt to find the dead mamas that
you hurt digging in the dirt. Also,

1316
01:58:38,199 --> 01:58:41,520
Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs. Yes, there's very, very

1317
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,199
much silence of the Lambs elements in
this. And by the way, when

1318
01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:49,439
are they going to ban this movie? Right? Because Norman is a dang

1319
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:56,479
he thinks he's a Gale. Well, he identifies what's wrong with that?

1320
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:00,640
You can if I want to identify
as my mom, who are you to

1321
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,640
tell me I ain't my own mom? Yeah? Are you a bigot?

1322
01:59:04,399 --> 01:59:12,319
Also leather phrase from Texas chainsaw masker. He's ed Gaine influenced. Yes,

1323
01:59:12,359 --> 01:59:21,760
I remember that. So, but
you'll know the Freudian stuff is all through

1324
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:26,279
all these movies because it's always a
question of how they relate to the father,

1325
01:59:26,479 --> 01:59:30,319
right, James the mother and the
father. James Cagney no father figure,

1326
01:59:30,479 --> 01:59:36,680
and his mom is this controlling gangster
psycho. Norman Bates basically no father

1327
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:45,479
figure, but he's guilty of mattreside, which produces this bizarre what'd you call

1328
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:50,119
it emotional I nc st Yeah,
yeah, with his mom and then he

1329
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:56,319
has a psychotic break and basically the
mom is his altar. Well, listen

1330
01:59:56,439 --> 02:00:00,000
to this about ed Gaine you ready, Yeah, he would go to the

1331
02:00:00,039 --> 02:00:03,079
graveyard in a day's life state and
would sometimes come out of it in the

1332
02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:06,399
middle of the act and go home
empty handed. Other times he dug up

1333
02:00:06,399 --> 02:00:11,680
the graves of recently buried women who
he thought resembled his mother. Soon after

1334
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:15,079
his mother's death, he began to
create a woman's suit so that he could

1335
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:17,760
literally become his mother and crawl into
her skin. Nothing wrong with that.

1336
02:00:18,359 --> 02:00:23,840
You can identify as your mom and
wear a mom's suit of actual mom.

1337
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:30,800
It's just good. We were in
men in black the alien's were skin suit.

1338
02:00:31,159 --> 02:00:35,560
Yes, who are you to judge
this? By the way? Yeah,

1339
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:43,359
so, yeah, I understand that
the full split comes because he couldn't

1340
02:00:43,439 --> 02:00:46,680
deal with the guilt. Yeah,
And so the psychiatrist at the end explains

1341
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:54,199
that there was a splitness in his
psyche and doesn't Norman say that he doesn't

1342
02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:58,680
know what he's doing, and that
so there is a loss of time,

1343
02:00:59,079 --> 02:01:01,880
right, which happens with the bull
mpdd id. So he's like uh,

1344
02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:05,720
Peter Laurie in that regard. He's
also a voyeur with his peeping hole.

1345
02:01:06,199 --> 02:01:09,720
He has the peeping going on,
which, by the way, that comes

1346
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:15,920
up in this that's a big part
of Wise Blood because um, they engage

1347
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:17,920
in peeping. There, Oh,
you asked me something about the handwriting,

1348
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:21,880
and I forgot to say about the
handwriting and m when he was writing,

1349
02:01:23,279 --> 02:01:30,119
they were, um, what do
you call that? Yeah, analyzing it

1350
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:33,119
and they said it looks like a
sex offender. So I don't know,

1351
02:01:35,239 --> 02:01:45,359
let's remember to wait. Oh,
they said that about Peter Laurie. You're

1352
02:01:45,359 --> 02:01:50,960
saying, yeah, they said his
writing for simple avert. Yes, man,

1353
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:56,560
you got that dang perverting. You
got that handwriting a dang pervert over

1354
02:01:56,640 --> 02:02:00,279
there. So that means every doctor
is a pervert, because the doctor ain't

1355
02:02:00,399 --> 02:02:02,880
right. So if you'll notice,
Nor and Base's house, not the motel,

1356
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:08,600
but the actual house is their classic
haunted house with the shape of the

1357
02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:15,800
fresh from the anton. The basin
has the trapezoid root, which he in

1358
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:20,199
his hypothesis and his studies and stuff
of haunted houses and all those things,

1359
02:02:21,479 --> 02:02:30,840
he had these theories that architecture could
affect your psychosis. Well, that comes

1360
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:33,680
up in Black Cat. Actually,
do you remember that? In even though

1361
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:40,079
this is kind of a primitive movie, Black Cat, Um, they actually

1362
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:45,880
make a big deal about the bizarre
Frank Lloyd Wright Ballhouse architecture of the facility

1363
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:51,640
that Boris Karloff inhabits. Yeah,
that's pretty wild. Yeah, I think

1364
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:56,640
absolutely. Architecture. That's why that's
the whole theology behind the structure of the

1365
02:02:56,760 --> 02:03:00,279
church. Right, the architecture of
the church is going to affect your mindset,

1366
02:03:00,399 --> 02:03:06,479
so sound plus architecture could have a
healing or a damaging psychosis effect.

1367
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:13,920
Let's see, the sister and the
boyfriend are looking for the main girl who

1368
02:03:14,039 --> 02:03:20,319
was on alive in the shower.
You actually come to find out that he

1369
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:29,960
killed his mom and his mom's husband. I just mentioned that because of the

1370
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,159
emotional you said that, right,
yeah. Oh, and the house is

1371
02:03:33,239 --> 02:03:39,039
his psyche. Yeah, there's the
He constantly refers to his mom living in

1372
02:03:39,159 --> 02:03:42,079
the house, but then we find
out later on that she's living in his

1373
02:03:42,199 --> 02:03:45,039
head, and so when we when
you rewatch the film, you'll notice a

1374
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:48,000
lot of the discussion about oh,
I could never leave this place because my

1375
02:03:48,119 --> 02:03:51,560
mom can't leave, right, she's
in there forever he's talking about it in

1376
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:57,840
here. And that's a common symbol, right is the house is the psyche.

1377
02:03:58,439 --> 02:04:01,800
The rooms in the head I represent
different compartments of the brain, alters.

1378
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:06,279
The basement is the subconscious. This
is again pretty common in movies and

1379
02:04:06,359 --> 02:04:13,000
lit I didn't notice that until this
time watching it. This time, by

1380
02:04:13,039 --> 02:04:16,680
the way, I mean, that's
the function of the house, but that

1381
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:23,039
wasn't evidence to me until this time. So this Ma is like the Maw

1382
02:04:23,279 --> 02:04:29,039
in White Heat I just mentioned,
And at the very end, the maw

1383
02:04:29,159 --> 02:04:32,960
personality is the one that takes over
and he becomes Ma and no longer Norman.

1384
02:04:33,239 --> 02:04:36,960
Yeah, Norman basically quote dies,
right, and it's only Ma there.

1385
02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:43,159
And then we have that weird monologue
at the end of Ma talking in

1386
02:04:43,279 --> 02:04:48,199
Norman's head as if she planned this
all along. So I think maybe that

1387
02:04:48,319 --> 02:04:54,359
we're supposed to think that in Norman's
mind, Oh, it wasn't me,

1388
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:57,640
It was Ma that did this the
whole time. Right, He's justifying this

1389
02:04:58,079 --> 02:05:01,640
as she's really the one that did
all this. And it gets even weirder

1390
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:06,279
because it says if he felt attraction
to another woman, the jealous mother,

1391
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:12,560
to kill the woman. This reminds
me of you know, if you've watched

1392
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,800
Millennium, which is a great show, right, Frank Black in season one,

1393
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,119
he's always doing the same diagnosis,
right, Yeah, which we've talked

1394
02:05:18,119 --> 02:05:21,000
about. Right. The killer has
a problem with his mother. He sees

1395
02:05:21,079 --> 02:05:26,439
himself as an avenging angel to get
out upon all women. Yeah, the

1396
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:31,279
killer always has this complex motive,
the killer's sexual frustration close into secre revenge

1397
02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:36,840
upon his mother. Yeah right,
um, black Hat. So he's a

1398
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:42,159
bad boy, black Cat. But
you'll notice that in a lot of the

1399
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:49,520
evil figures that we've studied tonight,
in our study of archetypal evil, they

1400
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:55,359
the pattern we keep seeing is that
they kind of have a break, right,

1401
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:00,479
um black Cat. This was one
of my favorites of the bunch,

1402
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:05,520
I think, just for the classic
horror. I had not seen those,

1403
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,560
Yeah, I believe it or not, I had not seen this. And

1404
02:06:10,079 --> 02:06:15,399
one of the things that made me, I hit the stupid Chordian now made

1405
02:06:15,399 --> 02:06:24,159
me want to see it was Nick
Cage as Boris Karloff Renfield Dracula. Oh

1406
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:29,960
yeah, he did look like him. So this is a karl Lemoley Bella

1407
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:33,680
Legosi, Boris Karlov you said,
as Edgar Allen post Ory. I didn't

1408
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:38,159
know that says that at the beginning
of the movie. Okay, So it's

1409
02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:45,800
about some honeymooners on the Orient Express
come across a Hungarian doctor, Bella Legosi.

1410
02:06:45,079 --> 02:06:49,279
Doctor. We's a gast or something
like that. Weird or gas weirder

1411
02:06:49,319 --> 02:06:56,079
gas yeah, and he there's an
accident and they end up at the house

1412
02:06:56,159 --> 02:07:01,840
of his old general, who is
a Einer architect, right, and also

1413
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:05,560
the head of a Satanant colt.
And this is a pre pre haze code

1414
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:11,680
movie, so a lot of this
stuff can be mentioned more openly, I

1415
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:15,600
guess you could say. Right,
So bors house is built on a giant

1416
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:20,079
graveyard from World War One, and
part of his house is built on a

1417
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:28,039
fort or like a it's an armament
armament yeah, yeah, and by the

1418
02:07:28,119 --> 02:07:32,520
way, it's it's a it's an
occult power center because of the it's the

1419
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:40,920
place where the most World War One
soldiers died. Yes, So the Carlow

1420
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,760
figure who runs the Satanant Coult decided
that that would be a great place to

1421
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:48,560
build his giant estate, which is
all ugly and well, that's what I'm

1422
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:53,119
said. It's a giant bow house, Frank Lloyd, right, structure,

1423
02:07:53,399 --> 02:07:58,680
and it's brutalist. It's yeah,
it's it's so if there's a picture of

1424
02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:05,439
it, it's gross. The what's
it called the mansion, I don't know

1425
02:08:05,479 --> 02:08:13,760
what. It looks like a giant
mental institute. I noticed that both Lavay

1426
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:20,359
and Michael Laquino took some inspiration from
the looks of these guys in this movie

1427
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:28,680
with the Widow's peak, and yeah, he actually looks like LaVey and absolutely

1428
02:08:30,279 --> 02:08:31,960
m but I can't there's not here. It is. You can barely see

1429
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,680
it though it's not a very good
picture. But it's bouhouse. Like I

1430
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:41,560
said, and again I was,
I didn't expect that in this movie.

1431
02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:48,600
This is not not at all what
I expected. So now the Black Cat

1432
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:56,079
is the what is internal life of
the Satanic oven? And you can try

1433
02:08:56,119 --> 02:08:58,000
and kill it, but it will
always come back. Yeah, and that's

1434
02:08:58,119 --> 02:09:03,479
what doctor, That's what Bella ghosts
he's afraid of. Right, he can't

1435
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:09,479
just kill Karloff yet because he has
to wait until the right time for some

1436
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:13,399
reason. So the honeymooners get an
accident. They end up at this creeper's

1437
02:09:13,439 --> 02:09:18,520
house with the other doctor who has
beef with him, and they give her

1438
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:22,479
some drugs and she becomes kind of
like a medium. Well, yeah,

1439
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:28,880
Boris Karloff is basically drugging people and
mind controlling them, right, and he's

1440
02:09:30,119 --> 02:09:37,000
he's collecting ladies and this is really
wild and edgy. For so again,

1441
02:09:37,159 --> 02:09:39,439
the only reason you could have that
in a movie is that is before the

1442
02:09:39,479 --> 02:09:46,479
Hayze code, and so he we
don't know exactly what, but he basically

1443
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:52,760
does Norman Bates taxidermy on the Ladies
and he's got a collection. And if

1444
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,760
you read analyzes of this film,
they'll say that this is actually hinting at

1445
02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:03,239
like Necro stuff. And it doesn't
say it, but it's like kent it

1446
02:10:03,319 --> 02:10:09,840
at right, and it freaks Belaegosi
out when he sees his daughter, his

1447
02:10:09,239 --> 02:10:15,479
wife, well his ex wife in
the lady collection. And then his daughter

1448
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:18,840
is basically married to Boris Karlov.
Now, yeah, who's part of the

1449
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:26,239
coven? So pretty wild stuff for
nineteen what is it thirty four? This

1450
02:10:26,399 --> 02:10:31,159
is crazy. So also he's an
architect, so that's like gnostic in Mason.

1451
02:10:31,359 --> 02:10:37,720
Well he designed the facility. Yeah, this date um I like his

1452
02:10:37,079 --> 02:10:43,680
uh bedtime stories. Remember he was
going to bed. He's just casually reading

1453
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:46,560
Writes of Lucifer. Oh yeah,
the book is called Writes of Lucifer.

1454
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:52,159
It's like a giant prayer book that
says writes a very simple uh to the

1455
02:10:52,279 --> 02:10:58,000
point. A lot of really wild
architecture too, And that's like the scenes

1456
02:10:58,079 --> 02:11:03,199
the set are really that's some of
are Yeah, that's some of the best

1457
02:11:03,279 --> 02:11:07,800
parts of this movie is the SETI
in the Satania church they talk about like

1458
02:11:09,159 --> 02:11:15,680
the angles as the ang angels and
weird angles can um allow spirits to come

1459
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:20,920
through? And this is in lovecrafty
and stuff right. He also played the

1460
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:26,119
keyboards like LaVey. There's his lady
collection. Yeah, so he's a collector

1461
02:11:26,279 --> 02:11:35,840
like the rest of the cercleer m
h, will you be cool with me

1462
02:11:35,319 --> 02:11:39,199
cryogenically putting you on a giant glass
case if you pass away? Um?

1463
02:11:39,399 --> 02:11:41,479
Only if I do you want your
hair? Do you want your hair?

1464
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:45,439
Operate on it down? If I
look like our wrinkle granny, I don't

1465
02:11:45,439 --> 02:11:52,840
want to be well. He preserved
him young ums the hair up though.

1466
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:56,199
I don't get that he's waiting for
a dark moon ritual. He wants to

1467
02:11:56,279 --> 02:12:01,800
steal the honeymoon lady. The oh
there's they're gonna sacrifice her the shape.

1468
02:12:03,399 --> 02:12:07,960
Yeah, he wants to sacrifice yeah. Um. I thought it was interesting

1469
02:12:07,039 --> 02:12:13,279
that Boris Karloff has to play Bella
Legosi a game of chess for the lady.

1470
02:12:13,479 --> 02:12:18,840
Yeah. One thing I don't understand
is that why does Boris carl Why

1471
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:26,960
does Bella Legosi keep capitulating to the
rules of Boris Karlos because he had to

1472
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:30,720
wait for just the right moment,
just straight, That's what I'm saying.

1473
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:35,000
Why like, why is he playing
along with this? And I think the

1474
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:41,039
reason he's doing it is because Boris
Karlov knows uh Legosi's weakness, which is

1475
02:12:41,079 --> 02:12:43,600
the cat, and so all he's
got to do is bring out that Dan

1476
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:48,319
cat every every time, you know, and he and basically Belle Leegosi freaks

1477
02:12:48,359 --> 02:12:52,880
out. They didn't explain why he's
afraid of cat. He just has a

1478
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:58,479
superstition of phobia, which is ironic
because he's a psychiatrist, right, the

1479
02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:01,800
bell Legosti character is a ychiatrist,
but he has a phobia of cats,

1480
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:07,560
so it's just supposed to be irony. You'll notice the X shaped altar in

1481
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:11,960
the Satanic ceremony, which is a
lot like eyes Why Shut or Eye of

1482
02:13:11,039 --> 02:13:13,359
the Devil. There is a little
bit of an eye white shut Ei the

1483
02:13:13,439 --> 02:13:16,600
double Yeah. I thought maybe this
trailer would have a clip of it.

1484
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:22,640
But down there underneath the military base, which is interesting, right in this

1485
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:30,039
armament underground military base is where they
have the coven meeting and the Lady Collection

1486
02:13:31,800 --> 02:13:37,079
this year's Collection of Ladies twenty twenty
three, he ends up getting skinned.

1487
02:13:37,239 --> 02:13:41,079
Yeah, they don't show any of
this because I mean, just because it's

1488
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:43,920
pre haze code doesn't mean it's going
to be like human centipede or some nonsense.

1489
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:46,600
Like, they don't show any of
that. But it's it's hinted at,

1490
02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:50,920
and it's a lot of it's told
through shadows, right, like the

1491
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:54,600
scenes are told through shadows. Right. But this is another one of those

1492
02:13:54,680 --> 02:14:01,399
movies that basically influences every film afterwards. And I think you you pointed this

1493
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:05,760
out because Levey said that the was
what was his comments about this movie?

1494
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,119
I don't remember. Why do we
like? Why did we want to watch

1495
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:15,560
this? Um? The visuals?
Yeah, very influential visually speaking, but

1496
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:24,239
plot wise, it's kind of goofy, and they weren't that concerned with continuity

1497
02:14:24,279 --> 02:14:26,520
in terms of editing back in the
thirties. So there's a lot of things

1498
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:31,000
that won't make sense and it'll jump
to different things. Um, but anyway,

1499
02:14:31,039 --> 02:14:39,760
we'll get some super chests. You
want to read these, Nicholas John's

1500
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ten dollars. Appreciate y'all. We
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1501
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appreciate you, Big Bala. Five
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1502
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lottery? You uh, I don't
give you moral and spiritual advice, but

1503
02:14:56,520 --> 02:15:00,399
you're kind of dumb if you participate
in the lottery, because not gonna,

1504
02:15:00,439 --> 02:15:05,399
it's a rip off. But I
don't think that necessarily it's inherently wrong to

1505
02:15:05,479 --> 02:15:11,520
buy a lottery ticket. But go
ask your priests. Mickey Mouse, five

1506
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:18,800
dollars. Have you seen Italian oh, Italian Giallo films or Italian horrors like

1507
02:15:18,039 --> 02:15:22,039
Mario Bava's Black Sabbath, lots of
a Call and satanic stuff in the Italian

1508
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:26,000
film industry in the sixteen and seventy
I've seen a little bit of those.

1509
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:31,159
I've seen obviously a lot of Dario
Argento, we've seen all. We did

1510
02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:37,279
a hold the Mothers of Darkness trilogy
analysis, but I've not dulled really deep

1511
02:15:37,359 --> 02:15:43,079
into a lot of the Italian horror
film. But maybe we should thank you

1512
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for that, Mickey Mouse, what
is it? Truelow? Ten dollars,

1513
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:50,680
Thanks for all the content, hard
work, Jane Jamie. Have you seen

1514
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:54,920
Archive eighty one on Netflix? Yes, starts good, gets bad quickly,

1515
02:15:54,039 --> 02:15:58,960
but the soundtrack is great, has
a satanic film or nineteen twenties undercurrent correct

1516
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:03,000
today's show theme. Yeah, I
felt the same way. I mean I

1517
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,159
thought, at first, oh,
this is gonna be great for an analysis.

1518
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:11,640
Started good, and then it just
got really silly and kind of bizarre

1519
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:16,640
and not in a good way.
Bizarre but had potential. I just didn't

1520
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:20,720
think it was that interesting to do
an analysis. So but I appreciate that

1521
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:26,680
super shot Josh Garrett ten dollars.
Many things can look great and b in

1522
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:33,799
WUT and definitely helps the modern audience
perceive content differently. We all need to

1523
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:37,520
use a noir filter every now and
then, especially on our black mirror de

1524
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:43,120
ice cream. Yeah, I mean
there is a unique esthetic that you can

1525
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,159
create right with black and white,
and I definitely think like Black Cat is

1526
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:50,319
great for that. I mean,
it's just so many scenes in this movie

1527
02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:54,280
could be like Posters. Obviously,
I don't mean the Lady Collectors, the

1528
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:58,520
Late Collections, but like every scene
is lit like this, you know what

1529
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:05,760
I mean. It's just definitely worth
watching. The more all the movies start

1530
02:17:05,799 --> 02:17:09,600
to look the same as CGI and
all that appreciate exactly you appreciate this kind

1531
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:13,079
of stuff, especially like, I
want to watch that caligary because that looks

1532
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:18,799
Yeah, I mean it's They're just
hard to watch, some of these old

1533
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:20,520
ones that are not very good.
Yeah, some of them are hard to

1534
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:30,079
watch. But yeah, just fascinating
lighting and contrast. Anyway, I want

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1583
02:21:22,159 --> 02:21:26,680
a stream with Father Zechora Lynch Sneck
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1584
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:31,399
articles on patristic fate. Sure,
yeah, I mean pretty much open to

1585
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:35,639
any streams with people in our circles
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1586
02:21:35,719 --> 02:21:41,000
for that, Rachel. By the
way, we did a really good show

1587
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:48,520
with Brittany Selner yesterday and that it
is not getting that many views. I

1588
02:21:48,559 --> 02:21:50,559
don't know if it's an algorithm or
what. I did have a little bit

1589
02:21:50,559 --> 02:21:54,440
of sound trouble at the beginning,
but then it got ironed out. But

1590
02:21:54,520 --> 02:21:58,760
we actually got into some of these
same points so about archetypes and literature and

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the toxifying and destroying of literature,
right, And I want to remind you

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guys to go watch that because we
did a good, good coverage, We

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had a good conversation. I've getting
tired some of my mind we've been streaming

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for so go watch that show.
It was a great show and if you

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would share that. We got into
yeah, good points about literature that nobody

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else talks about. I mean,
who else is talking doing podcasts on esoteric

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Noah films? Like come on,
we're giving you guys gold here, and

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I mean I've seen the other podcasts
on YouTube. Dude, it's garbage city.

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I'm not talking about people in our
circles. I'm talking about the rest

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of the YouTubers and podcasters out there. Now, you guys, it's like,

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what, like, what is this
She's I mean, she's better than

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all the stuff that's out there now, Like it's just garbage out there,

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right, I mean, do people
not want to learn stuff? At least

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we're trying to give you information that
nobody talks about. Learn stuff infotainment in

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the truest sense. Does you want
to learn? So get your learn on

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right, yep, I'm trying to
get some learned up in here.