1 00:00:07,879 --> 00:00:15,839 Good morning, Mother? Good morning male sphere of the Board. Welcome to 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,120 a new episode of the Good morning podcast Mother Wait You know that in each 3 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:26,920 episode we try to approach you themes, people, projects, initiatives, books 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,480 that may interest you, can help you, can entertain you in this intense 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,079 and so beautiful and intense task. Yes, let' s say intense with 6 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:40,520 all its nuances, which is parenting and education. And today we are going 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,920 to bring you a theme, a theme and above all, now that you 8 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,200 look at what time we are just passing the exams. There are people who 9 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,880 are still going through it. Final exams. The extraordinary ones are coming, 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:59,560 the repetitions are coming that have stayed for June for July and it is a 11 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,400 topic that can worry us families very much when they go forward according to how 12 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,319 old our sons, our daughters. Today we' re going to talk about 13 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,920 how we study, how we learn. And that moment so feared that it 14 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,760 is in which we remain blank and blank is precisely what is called the book 15 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,599 that we are dealing with today and that has written Juan Fernández, who has 16 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,319 already been here with us, since I welcome him again, Juan, how 17 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,280 you are hello. Good morning, Obanica you forgot to say that the prologue 18 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:37,120 is very good, that writing them is very good. I didn' t 19 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,920 remember that. I don' t know. I don' t know whose 20 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,719 it' s from? I don' t know whose it' s from? 21 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,680 I don' t know that since readers look at it, right and 22 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:53,640 you find out. Juan Fernández, professor, you were with us a couple 23 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:00,519 of years ago with your first book, precisely talking about education, about educating 24 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:06,560 in complexity, more specifically devoting yourself to the part of parenting more related to 25 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,800 the world, parenting, motherhood from a slightly more generic approach. And we 26 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:20,280 take up the writing chapter with you again, because you come with this new 27 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,599 book to see if it comes closer, to see if I get it here 28 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:30,879 blank, how to focus the attention, memory and motivation to learn published by 29 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,639 current platform and that it is a guide for teaching families, opponents and apprentices 30 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:40,759 of all kinds to optimize their effort. And yes, indeed, the prologue 31 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:49,479 is bio. He tells me it' s the last thing you can leave, 32 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 because the book is a jewel. Friends. This is the first thing 33 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,919 I have to say, and not because I' ve read it many times, 34 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,560 which is true, because I' ve read it a lot of times, 35 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:02,159 but it' s really very useful and it' s very good. 36 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,240 Juan Congratulations, well, thank you very much. The idea was that. 37 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,879 Let' s get people reading it and finding out that they can learn to 38 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,520 learn, that they can become more and more apprentice and also, especially thinking 39 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:21,199 about that in moms and dads who often have those concerns. No and how 40 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:28,479 we can help to study with very concrete clues and also with a general framework, 41 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,039 because, to infect that mentality that you can always do things to learn 42 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,360 that you are not born knowing how to learn or that you are not good 43 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,520 at learning or bad from the beginning and you can no longer do anything. 44 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Many things can be done, which is a little of what the book is 45 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,919 about, of what things you can do, especially to improve on that task 46 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:57,159 that lasts a lifetime. Actually and also, you tell us from your teaching 47 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,960 perspective, but also as a student, because you continue to study, you 48 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,000 continue to train, you are doing a PhD in psychology. Yeah, with 49 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:12,319 the credit that' s got that at this point in our lives, yeah 50 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:19,800 with family cons so rusty like that and that' s why it' s 51 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,839 so interesting and it seems to me that you write it from a place that 52 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:31,519 maybe has removed you a lot, not to say that and if I' 53 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:31,519 m not studying so much invested time and if I' m not doing it. 54 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:36,360 Good. Yes, that' s when I look at my student life, 55 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,160 because I do think I missed it, because that' s the reflection 56 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:46,920 we talked about at the beginning and that' s why I saw myself as 57 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,600 encouraged to write this book. Not because I was a good student and I 58 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:55,839 or another time I was a very bad student. So, for me, 59 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,480 of course, it' s not something continuous, there' s no continuity. 60 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:00,759 But I, as I live with a lot of people who live themselves 61 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,199 as bad or good students, as if it were something fixed and stable and 62 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,160 going over that personal story of mine. Well, of course, I thought 63 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:13,800 it would have been nice to read, that there was something that would have 64 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,920 done me, to think that it would have provoked me a little bit to 65 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:23,600 change my habits or to think that I was doing wrong As for the schedules, 66 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,759 the habits, a little, what is, like the most everyday thing, 67 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,360 I think the day- to- day is super important, super important. 68 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,600 And then, there, I talk a lot about habits. Throughout the 69 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:41,399 whole book. There are like a kind of habits that are often ways of 70 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:44,920 doing and sometimes are ways of thinking, because I think there are like habits 71 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,600 of action and then there are habits of thinking. Then he' s on 72 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,759 both tracks. So, well, I propose some ideas that are things you 73 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,000 can do to organize yourself, not to distract yourself, and then there are 74 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,000 other proposals that are more dedicated to thinking habits, to thinking in voice. 75 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Lack of starting to rely a little on different strategies like that thought, and 76 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,680 I think that' s what I lacked in my time of failure, those 77 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:18,079 thinking habits, like standing up and saying to see this thing that you' 78 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:24,399 re doing doesn' t work, stop doing it and look for alternative ways 79 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:28,240 to do it, because if you keep doing the same thing, it' 80 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:32,240 s likely to be the same And in the end, that really affected my 81 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:39,240 self- esteem and my own experience as a student and as I see it 82 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,399 in other people, because it was also like launching that reflection and saying hopefully 83 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:44,920 this will help you, as it has helped me later and after many years. 84 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Hey, and considering that this is so common, this is what you 85 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:54,439 ' re commenting on later, every listener will move him into his personal experience. 86 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:00,360 But I am convinced that each one of us has lived that one way 87 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,560 or another. No, because it is very common how it is possible that 88 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:14,079 there is no more awareness that we are not taught to study or not taught 89 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,920 or teachers do not know if you are trained in this. No, because 90 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,800 in general it' s not true that in elementary school. Yeah, in 91 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,959 elementary school, you have an infantile, primary career. So, but look, 92 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,319 I' m also a parent of elementary school kids and I think it 93 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:35,399 ' s very important that during primary school they' re forming as their own 94 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:39,480 vision of themselves as students. I find it super interesting and it seems to 95 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,920 me that we should be much more careful, because they end up childish and 96 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:49,959 which is a phenomenal place where they have fun and in primary they start to 97 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,519 have experiences that sometimes they don' t do well and many times that takes 98 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,360 them. The idea is that this is not good for me, is that 99 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,120 of course I live it at home too jo and there are these subjects that 100 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:09,360 cost me a lot and there are like the beginnings of what can then happen 101 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:15,000 in high school. No blocks, no stories, and it' s very 102 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,079 important. I' m telling you how to rework verbally. I think that 103 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,959 ' s very important. It' s like good, but what exactly happened 104 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,279 to you, because you' ve lost your mind. Well, let' 105 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,000 s see why you' ve lost your mind, because you' re out 106 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,480 of your mind. Because, well, we can try to keep this from 107 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,519 happening the next time or, uh, not happening and so maybe. If 108 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,080 you don' t get rid of this one the next time you do it 109 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,080 better, it' s not going to be magic, you' re not 110 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:39,679 going to make it perfect, but it' s okay. Let' s 111 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:45,679 see what' s distracting you. Try to change it Talk to the teacher 112 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,840 or the teacher and see if the next time we do it a little better. 113 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,759 It' s not like this idea of cause effects. Things have a 114 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,159 cause of effect, because sometimes the sense of uncontrollability that children have is very 115 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,200 strong. It' s how I got a good tutor, because everything' 116 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:01,720 s going to be great. I got a bad tutor. I can' 117 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,600 t do anything anymore. I' m not doing anything anymore. I can 118 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,519 ' t do anything. And uncontrol is the most discouraging thing there is, 119 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,399 because it' s impossible to be motivated by something you feel you have no 120 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,159 capacity for action. If you think something is like this and it' s 121 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:20,519 never going to change, because that doesn' t motivate you to do anything. 122 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,759 So that verbal reworking is the first step to get motivated and to start 123 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:31,720 to have those habits of action that I told you or the habits of thought 124 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,440 lead to the habits of action, we take measures and then we collect the 125 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:43,600 results, always with a mondosa look and with a perspective already clear. You 126 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:48,519 talk about motivation as if it came up and besides this, you talk in 127 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,480 the book and there' s also a lot. Whenever you talk about motivation, 128 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,440 there' s how there' s a cloud of murmurs. We do 129 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,039 not motivate ourselves, we are motivated by others. We have to motivate our 130 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,519 children. We do not motivate them, because if we motivate them too much, 131 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,600 that is already the case. Yeah, there' s a middle ground. 132 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Motivation is born, it grows to reproduce to see what in motivation, 133 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:22,759 to learning really has like two ideas that for me have helped a lot to 134 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:30,000 simplify like two legs. The first is that there is no intrinsic motivation or 135 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:31,919 trisite, as if it were day or night. In the background there is 136 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,720 a whirlwind, there are things, then it is important to live in that 137 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,159 balance and that motivation, the hysterical motivations, that is, the motivations of 138 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:45,919 the outside, always become regulatory. No, the important thing is not that 139 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,240 it is intrinsic stringsec, but that regulation is increasingly internal. I mean, 140 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,120 I can say or you, for example, that you' re holding all 141 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,919 this talk for me, because say look, I do it and then, 142 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,639 because I' m going to give a prize, I' m not going 143 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 to buy a crossan, but you manage. Basically, that is an internal 144 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,960 regulation. Butma would say good, because you' re doing this, because 145 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,320 then I' ll give you cros for interviewing me. So the important thing 146 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,279 is that regulation is internal, and that' s why those good talks are 147 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,879 important. That' s like your management, your frustration, your own resources, 148 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,039 your way of rewarding you in a constructive way. Listen, what do 149 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:31,320 you want to do good one thing that you want to do not be very 150 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,679 beast, because that is very important. And the second idea of motivation is 151 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,919 that motivation is almost always a consequence of achievement. I mean, it' 152 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,840 s really hard to get motivated for something you haven' t gotten. That 153 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:50,879 is why we teachers should ensure very high, very high initial success rates always 154 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,480 to build. From there motivation is always oriented towards actions. It' s 155 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:05,600 a motivation to focus energy on a goal, because we think we can achieve 156 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,879 that goal. If we think we' ll never be able to achieve that 157 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,879 goal, it' s impossible. Then of course, I talk a lot 158 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:15,120 about targets. These are the targets. I develop it a lot in the 159 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,240 book, because if my goals are super distant, I see them more unattainable. 160 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,679 A very good way to increase motivation is to set goals that are more 161 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,960 affordable and closer, so that we can verify that we are achieving what we 162 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,320 have set out to do and encourage this belief, this habit of thinking, 163 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:43,320 as I say that we really, effectively, may not be where we are 164 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,200 yet in the end, but we are on the road to that goal. 165 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:52,679 So we are moving because we follow the path of that objective and sometimes clear 166 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,320 if the objective places in September, for example, by setting a practical example, 167 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,600 the objective is to approve mathematics, because that is a very little motivating 168 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,200 objective, because in the background buvte to, namely, until June or sometimes 169 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:13,120 what happens. No, because the aim is to approve all of them, 170 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,240 from September to June. It' s just that it' s really hard 171 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,159 to get motivated. That' s why you have to gradually set more affordable 172 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,399 goals than, in addition, by getting them, because it allows you to 173 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,039 say hey look at this I' m getting it. Then we would help 174 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,399 a lot if we didn' t set ourselves those goals, sometimes so great 175 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:41,240 and go a little more looking for close goals that are affordable and that we 176 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:46,360 can all feel like we' re going there. Of course, what happens 177 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,080 here is that it would imply that we all had the same goal as from 178 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:56,000 school and from the family and from the moon to the moon we agreed, 179 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:00,039 we all had the same goal that you usually give us. That' s 180 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,360 why it' s important to transmit, and that' s why the book 181 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,799 is written in a broad language, because ideally we should all share the goal 182 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,480 that the goal is learning, because something else that isn' t the same 183 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,759 happens here again. Motivate to get something, to motivate yourself to avoid something? 184 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:18,399 Motivating to avoid something is often very bad. Yeah, why are you 185 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,200 going to this meeting? I' m going because I want to be and 186 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:22,200 I want to learn why you' re going to this meeting? I' 187 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 m going so I don' t get fired by defensive motivation. No, 188 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,960 or why you did this. I don' t do this so they don 189 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:33,120 ' t put a negative on me, so they don' t punish me, 190 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,159 so they don' t laugh at me. That, too, is 191 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,840 very unmotivating. Our goals do not have to be to try to avoid circumstances, 192 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:46,600 which have to be objectives of achieving things and we should share, at 193 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,159 least the objective of learning, that in the end we are learning, regardless 194 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:58,279 of other things that are then bureaucracy or certification or good, the system itself. 195 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,519 But let us at least share this objective. I mean, the important 196 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,759 thing is that people learn at any formative stage of their life and of course, 197 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,840 as sometimes you' re going to meet people who aren' t going 198 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,480 to do that you have to go internalizing that' s what your goals are. 199 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,759 You have to ask yourself that question, how much earlier you get used 200 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,759 to asking yourself that question better, because then you' re clear, despite 201 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,600 what they tell you outside. That' s another thing I' m looking 202 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:35,080 at doing the PhD. This I sometimes say what I do, what I 203 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,320 ' m doing. Good times very good question what I' m doing. 204 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,480 But that question is very important because of course now I am living it in 205 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,879 another way, because deep down, my goal is exclusively to learn. I 206 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,639 don' t do it for anything, I mean, I don' t 207 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:54,960 do it either because I have the title or for later, I don' 208 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,279 t do anything but learn. It' s true that everything is like looking 209 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,679 at life with different glasses. I say I' m glad because I' 210 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:04,960 ve been to another PhD program before, when before I started teaching, I 211 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,840 was in the research world and clearly the goal was not to get kicked out, 212 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,039 I mean, the goal was to get funding so that it doesn' 213 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,039 t stain and clear change the whole film. I' ve been to the 214 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:19,759 congresses for seminars. It has nothing to do with it because deep down, 215 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,559 my entire attention is devoted to learning, while other times my attention is in 216 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:30,039 this. But at the same time remember that you have to fill this out, 217 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,279 because if you don' t do this, the other thing happens. 218 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Not then, the more we clarify in that sense as well, the more 219 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:44,399 all the people around a boy or a better girl, because if there is 220 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,320 not a little bit of objective then the BICI and the holidays, the suspense, 221 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:57,440 the punishment and then what a mess I have to declare myself among hundreds 222 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,360 objectives, of course, it is true, and everyone has entered this game, 223 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,879 all in this game. Yeah, yeah. And then, in addition, 224 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:11,920 the goal agrees that, for example, you were talking about institutions how 225 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:18,759 that learning is corrected or how it is shown that what you have learned is 226 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:25,880 or that you have learned something that implies that evaluation is well done and that 227 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,599 it really conforms to what has been taught and what you should know. Sure. 228 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,839 Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I' ve written two solo 229 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,200 books and then I' ve written another one with work area on formative evaluation. 230 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:41,839 Sure, of course it is, but because deep down, when you 231 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,680 talk about evaluation, you talk a lot about motivation. And so in elementary 232 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,200 school, for example, what do you need to write notes? To be 233 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,000 clear, what need do you have to put notes on? Yeah, be 234 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,720 a first grader, who' s five or six years old, you' 235 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,279 re getting a note and everything' s focused on the note, you' 236 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,480 re getting used to it going to work in a certainly behavioral way. I 237 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,240 mean, a six- year- old needs notes, not the notes for 238 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,319 who they' re for his parents. Then we enter into a game that 239 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:15,799 clearly, when it arrives secondary, because it is already fully rooted and we 240 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,119 also do other things wrong in secondary, of course. Eh, but of 241 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,839 course there part of all this to the extent that we can act, because 242 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:32,599 in those conversations, no, because it' s important not to be me, 243 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,599 if I see my son playing the flute and see him practice more than 244 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,720 in the second trimester, for me something changes that puts him a five a 245 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:47,119 seven on the flute. It hasn' t been a nightmare to listen to 246 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,640 him the same way, yes, but not now seriously, but they won 247 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,680 ' t change five a seven. So what am I going to do to 248 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,119 look at the number that gives him frustration because it is a five instead of 249 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,720 a seven, or to notice what, instead of rehearsing twice in the whole 250 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,559 quarter, because from time to time he took the flute and practiced, because 251 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,640 it is already if it is that what you want, since you get used 252 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,279 to it or that you do not live as a horror, because at home 253 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,759 to take five minutes, to play the score and that' s it. 254 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,839 Because deep down, that' s the habit and that' s it, 255 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,000 no, no, you already see that what interests you, what you try 256 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,440 to improve, what you think about what does wrong. Of course, that 257 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,640 is also very important, because you are sowing for the future. That' 258 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,440 s it. I think that too. Sometimes we put the focus on processes 259 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:40,960 and I, as a system, should put the processes into effect. Well, 260 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:42,000 if you' re there, you' re getting more autonomous. You 261 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,519 notice, you realize when you play a bad note or so it' s 262 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,920 done. You don' t have to go crazy either. No, it 263 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:56,440 doesn' t have to be Vivaldi playing the first and last flute. No. 264 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:59,640 But, well, what' s the point, because maybe practical from 265 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,759 time to time, I know the same and why do you do it? 266 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,240 You do it because I care, or you do it because you care? 267 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,680 And why do you care? Because good, because you want to do it 268 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,119 right. That' s very good. That' s very good to want 269 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,680 to do it right. That' s very good, so come on, 270 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:18,400 let' s practice, but not because they' re going to give you 271 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:18,839 more notes, but because of your desire. It' s good, so 272 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,599 do it right. Or then you know that' s gonna lead you to 273 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,079 be told that you' ve done better than to be congratulated. I say 274 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:33,480 regulation always as internalizing. It' s not at least. These talks go 275 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,480 like the surface of motivation, which I think is sometimes not what you said 276 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:42,759 where we move. Sometimes to motivate him we' re going to give him 277 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,319 prizes, to motivate him we' re going to do punishments, we' 278 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,839 re going to put him a day and we' re going to put a 279 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:52,880 zero to a deeper thing, which has to see what your goal is, 280 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:55,799 why you do it, because this is important to you, what it tells 281 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,759 you yourself and things like that. And well, that' s an example. 282 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,119 Evidently, language or conversation cannot go the same way with a second grader 283 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,720 as with an opponent. But the opponent also needs to ask himself those questions, 284 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,200 because if he' s not going to be able to study a topic 285 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,400 six months, why do you do it. Because this is important, apart 286 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,160 from practical things dedicated to study techniques. But it seems to me that part 287 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,200 does, that there are other books that develop it very well. So I 288 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,839 have left a central part of the book which is like a kind of good 289 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:36,920 This is important and we are going to devote time to it, but above 290 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,880 all I develop more habits of attention and motivational habits, because it seemed to 291 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,279 me that this is where there may be more confusion in general about what exactly 292 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:51,480 that means. It is true that, in addition, you approach it with 293 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,160 a lot of study base, scientific basis. There is much work done on 294 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,640 this subject, although to families in many cases, for these things hear many. 295 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,559 If you don' t do this, then you don' t have 296 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,480 to know. It' s not something that you' re interested in specifically 297 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,759 this topic, but it' s true that there' s science about it, 298 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:11,839 not and that' s being studied. How you study, that is, 299 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,519 how you study, how you study, how you do not, how 300 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,799 you learn and, for example, on the subject of attention now you are 301 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:26,279 talking a lot, Juan, because it seems that we have a Houston problem 302 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,880 with attention and that I, on a particular personal level, experiment too, 303 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,640 that is, yes, yes, I also think it is something that is 304 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000 totally protected. Yeah, yeah, and that show' s already a first 305 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,279 idea. No. I think you don' t have to panic with the 306 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:48,279 attention of the children, because the problem is really global. Yes, I 307 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,640 have the luck or the experience, but not for me is the luck of 308 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,920 being able, for example, to go out sometimes to the theater. You 309 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,400 don' t have class groups and or or or or or general. I 310 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,720 notice and see it is obvious that they look at the mobile are distracted, 311 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,000 but I don' t think that more than adults and what the studies tell 312 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,480 us about attention is that our attention capacity is as encoded in the way it 313 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,799 has to function our brain and that our brain doesn' t change for a 314 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:21,759 hundred years. It doesn' t change biologically, it' s very difficult 315 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,519 to change a kind of a hundred years. Keep changing the environment. Evidently, 316 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:29,319 the environment can be more or less distractive. And the good news is 317 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,440 that, like your internal wiring, it doesn' t change, but what 318 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,720 changes is the environment. You have acting power over the environment. Then you 319 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:45,720 can make less distracting environments and where they help focus, and you can make 320 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:52,359 environments where there is a trend or as a ramp, like a rung slide 321 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,920 from your brain, slide smoothly into total distraction. So, that' s 322 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:03,039 why, also in the book he develops some techniques that are basic to order 323 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,240 to leave the mobile always in a place and my idea always puts it to 324 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,039 charge, for example, in a place where you don' t go to 325 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,440 study, where you know that, well, so that it has battery is 326 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,640 there. It uses the airplane mode that the devices themselves often have ways to 327 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:25,680 manage how it can be in airplane mode to play with notifications. I get 328 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:33,079 deleted when I need to concentrate I delete the Twitter apps and so on and 329 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,720 I get them not to remember my password, that is, to put on 330 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,640 the hard stuff. It' s true you' re not the same fan. 331 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,599 Yeah, I' m going to count because it' s the way 332 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,000 to generate environments. I can' t affect it. I can' t 333 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:47,160 affect that. But if I have to say look in two hundred days, 334 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,279 I have to finish. I have to write so much, because if I 335 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,599 don' t get there and those two days. The first thing you do 336 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,039 is delete the app and this is really true. I delete the Twitter app. 337 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,799 I get into the softwarrimes device. If I say delete it, it 338 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,799 ' s all over and don' t remember it, my mother, because 339 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,400 deep down I have to type Twitter and say my queue was my password and 340 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,799 I don' t remember. I have to look it up on the keychain 341 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:15,680 this is passwords, well, but that' s what we all do, 342 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:19,519 so you' ll just have to think it through, I mean, no. 343 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,960 But yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, with you, that 344 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,519 it' s an exercise like in the book there' s a phrase I 345 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,680 read, I don' t remember who. But the people who seem to 346 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:37,319 have the most willpower are the ones who use it the least. It' 347 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,000 s true. It' s because he has the strength to make it difficult 348 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,200 for him and then he says mara, pass, already, this is complicated, 349 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,400 that and I go around, but not now he arrives at the end 350 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,440 of course, for example, and I and I would be eating chocolate or 351 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:53,240 cookies, all the time, because if I don' t buy them there 352 00:25:53,240 --> 00:26:00,079 isn' t. Well, that' s why. Many times we act 353 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,000 as an automatic pilot, and especially since it is the children, the teenagers, 354 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,680 when we are stressed, when the opposition exam is already that you stress, 355 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:12,880 is that it is normal and when you stress your brain will work by 356 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,240 automatisms, because it is the way it has to deal with the stress to 357 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,799 go to the known thing and at least, the most comfortable thing is to 358 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,839 run the automatic pilot. Then you like it all to be that way. 359 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,440 You don' t spend time thinking about superficial things, because get ready because 360 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,759 when that time comes, as you' ve prepared, the terrain is going 361 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,799 to make it easier or harder for you to manage your attention, which in 362 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,440 the end is the topic. For me, the issue is managing attention. 363 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:48,680 Attention is a resource to be managed. And the more you manage your attention 364 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:56,640 and don' t depend on external management, the better you get used to 365 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,079 managing your attention, because your attention is like good, like a jug of 366 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,200 o. This is the example I set then. If you have twenty plants 367 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,039 to water at home, you have the pitcher, if you have one plant, 368 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,319 you have the pitcher. You will see, if it is winter and 369 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:14,359 summer, if it is an orchid, if it is not you can live 370 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,319 the attention as something spontaneous, that that is also another of the mistakes that 371 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,839 I made very frequently as something spontaneous that is born to me. I' 372 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,119 m born to watch, I' m born to be distracted. It depends 373 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,200 on a lot of things that you have a certain ability to act on. 374 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:34,200 Take advantage of that certain acting ability to make it easy for you to attend. 375 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,960 It seems to me to be an exciting subject, but we barely reflected 376 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:48,839 on it. John, I mean, it' s funny, but we 377 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,839 all have a certain amount of intellectual activity, at least basic education. No, 378 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,440 yes, how many opportunities we have to reflect on how we learn. 379 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,400 It' s just that there isn' t. We don' t have 380 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:11,279 that habit. In families there is no talk about how you study, how 381 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:18,680 you do it as beyond the physical approach. But if we base ourselves on 382 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,440 what we said before the note and the result and maybe also more or less, 383 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:27,279 how the children wear it, if they look good or they look bad 384 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:33,559 with the result and depending on whether they suffer or not, then, if 385 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,720 there the alarms jump, no, but if it' s not like we 386 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:44,759 give it, like it comes naturally, like it' s coming. Sure, 387 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,319 yeah, yeah, sure is true. And that' s where if 388 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,759 you ask me, I think that teachers, especially those who haven' t 389 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,799 received specific previous training, should be trained because the problems we manage are supposed 390 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:06,279 to depend on your professional ability being able to solve problems. What are the 391 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,240 problems you find, because there are kids who don' t understand mitosis. 392 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,319 I' m kids who don' t understand evolution, or what. But 393 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,079 there are other underlying, cross- cutting problems about which we have to read 394 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000 a lot and that' s why I also propose the book. And there 395 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,200 you read yourself for teachers. Looks like it' s like everybody else reading 396 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:29,960 my book, please, everybody. But yes, but good. But it 397 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,279 ' s because if this is read by a teacher, even if he doesn 398 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,000 ' t have children or doesn' t have children, it' s going 399 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,039 to work for him. I believe, I humbly believe. I think it 400 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:42,640 might do him good because deep down there are things that I see in class 401 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960 that can happen to him, that maybe not, but what can happen, 402 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,400 and that it' s okay to have these clues and then go working on 403 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,400 these things in class, because if it' s not what you say we 404 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:04,200 should work explicitly how we learn in class, because it would help a lot, 405 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,559 especially that to make people feel more, because that' s like having 406 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:11,920 the ability to make decisions, not that it doesn' t seem natural. 407 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,119 To me that' s like the leit motive of the whole book is that. 408 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200 This can' t be a natural thing for you, because then, 409 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,880 if you' re lucky, you' re going to do very well, 410 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,559 but if you' re not lucky, you' re going to have a 411 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,440 good time. Then no. No, this is not a natural thing. 412 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:33,079 I' m telling you, I' ve gone better and worse in various 413 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:38,039 fields. This isn' t natural. You can do actions that change a 414 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:45,279 little bit, that I always say a little or enough, of course, 415 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,839 of external factors, that is, and you have your own talents, you 416 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:56,000 have a family partner context, that that' s very important and you can 417 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,279 ' t write a book of these happy Landia control to your life either. 418 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,279 I totally don' t believe in that at all, but there is a 419 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,839 margin. I do think there is a margin, because let us take advantage 420 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,160 of that margin because, perhaps, the margin is the difference between success and 421 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:18,079 failure. Then that margin there are things to do. It does seem to 422 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:25,720 me that everyone should read it, because I insist, that is, from 423 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:30,119 your own experience, when it comes to facing a study, an opposition, 424 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:37,559 an exam, a learning of any kind. It invites you to reflect in 425 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:44,200 a way that we have never done before and that is true and helps you 426 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,480 understand better. How your brain works the time to learn and how you work 427 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,119 How you behave and how you can then transfer it to your children, how 428 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:57,680 you can help them understand that they don' t like anything, what they 429 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,599 have to do, that those who have to do by obligation are obliged. 430 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:06,799 Yeah, yeah, because there' s no such thing as you and I 431 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,960 studying because we like it at this point in life. We don' t 432 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,559 need anyone to tell us Juan go to class, we like him. We 433 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:21,880 already have that earned, but our sons, our daughters and our students at 434 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:29,279 all have that and clear is to face that with a base like your book, 435 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,440 which also tells it in a very simple way for people who with a 436 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:42,599 basic knowledge, even the part of the most sensitive, denser knowledge, you 437 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440 explain it in a very simple way that I also love. No. This 438 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,319 is about the units of knowledge that we learn on the basis of units of 439 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,039 knowledge and not on the basis of everything that besides I' ll tell you 440 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,920 that relaxes also no yes, it' s true that you' re going 441 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,759 to put all that in. No, I' m not going to go 442 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:07,519 unit to a bandage and it' s going better, it' s going 443 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:08,960 better, and that' s why I recommend it to our entire audience. 444 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:15,119 Whether you have or not, have sons and daughters, have students be more, 445 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,640 mayan, older, less, even for yourself, as an act of 446 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,559 reflection and self- learning, because in the end, how you concentrate on 447 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,119 something is also how you are and how it is one more way in which 448 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,599 you are. Yes, it' s true, and we each do it 449 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,720 in a different way. Not you carry that implicit suffering of taking away the 450 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,839 password that I will never do. I mean, I took off my Willy 451 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,519 Juan Ah. Well, look, I' m right there That' s 452 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,400 radical, not that. Besides, my friend Melisa, your 20- minute 453 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,160 journalist, told me that to write her books, she would take the WiFi 454 00:33:54,359 --> 00:34:00,680 off the Chinon computer and Mira you don' t have to go through the 455 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,559 ordeal of taking away the consan that. Okay. I, moreover, could 456 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:09,880 not study thinking that I am not going to recover that other matería that we 457 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:22,000 are different, but I did want to thank you for the effort and to 458 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,760 bring all this process, this knowledge and this reflection to all the public and 459 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,360 especially, to the families, because I think it can help the creatures a 460 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,400 lot. Well, I hope so I thank you very much for the words 461 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,719 the truth, but I already tell you that that' s why I think 462 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,159 of a broad audience, because it seems to me that if this goes only 463 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,280 for teachers, it stays lame and if it' s just for families, 464 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,000 I also probably know that lame, because we need to better understand the nuances 465 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,519 of all these issues there is in the part of memory. There' s 466 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,440 an idea that I really like, which has to do with what you' 467 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,440 re talking about, which is called desirable difficulties. Desirable difficulties, that is, 468 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,840 of course you have to make it difficult, but in a way, 469 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:15,679 in a constructive way, ay clear and then clear if what they are asking 470 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,000 you for is recognition. I mean, I mean to recite things, and 471 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,920 what they ask of you is to recite clearly. Evidently, the best way 472 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,199 to study is to put everything in it like a funnel and regurgitate it at 473 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:36,039 the hour. But they' re not asking you for that and in the 474 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,280 long run. Besides, what you want is to retain and be able to 475 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,440 use the things you' ve learned. That strategy is not the best. 476 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,639 The thing is, he doesn' t want to. Say it' s 477 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,719 not hard for you. At first, you don' t just have to 478 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,519 focus on performance, nor should teachers just focus on performance, because short- 479 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:02,079 term performance isn' t always an indicator of learning. Rather, sometimes it 480 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,599 ' s just the opposite. We have to go to process, of course 481 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,079 that' s what I was talking about before. So there are times that 482 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,039 because in the book I say there are times that you will get bored, 483 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,119 but look at the people that have studied, the footballers, the professional violinists, 484 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,599 the most creative professionals that you can imagine, the artists, the chefs 485 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:28,039 these, not all those people that have studied how everyone works, those people 486 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,320 that have the most creative work you can imagine, says that there is a 487 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:37,239 part that is boring, a part of practice that is boring. Then of 488 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:43,079 course. That' s why the important thing is how to arm yourself, 489 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280 to have weapons to be able to withstand that plain of boredom, which is 490 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,320 normal in anything complex, that you do, to be able to come to 491 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,360 a time when you say oysters that I' m going alone and I' 492 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,400 m starting to handle myself. Anyone who has learned to play an instrument, 493 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960 for example, knows what I' m talking about, because there' s 494 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:07,840 a part where that' s like running over a cat, killing a cat, 495 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:13,719 and then you have to put up with that barrier, because it' 496 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,320 s probably the same with math or equations. There is not a phase in 497 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:22,800 which you have to practice and that is why you have to arm yourself with 498 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,199 motivational strategies in order to survive that part and reach the phase in which you 499 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:34,320 have finally consolidated the part, you have automated some parts, you have become 500 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,559 procedures. A complex idea and by turning it into procedures, is like a 501 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,599 scaffolding that you have put on to keep learning and continue ascending and of course, 502 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:51,440 you reach higher levels with some tranquility, because the scaffolds are well placed. 503 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,599 And that reflection is also sometimes important that sometimes it seems that it is 504 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,079 not productive in the short term, but that we must look at the long 505 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,079 term, in the medium term, how this can help us in the long 506 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:15,199 run to learn new things, to integrate it and to go about overcoming that 507 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,559 first barrier that is sometimes difficult and suffering. I' m remembering when you 508 00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:28,079 said it for example, when you run and go for a run and the 509 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:35,679 first few minutes are hateful and you want to leave it alone, you want 510 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:43,559 to leave you, you want to stop until you already pass that barrier of 511 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:47,480 extreme suffering and suddenly, everyone finds it in a way and in writing, 512 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:53,119 also in writing it takes them a lot to enter that moment in which things 513 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,719 flow and suffer. You suffer, you suffer a lot than people who think 514 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,760 it is not that the creative moment has come to you and what happiness. 515 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,840 And of course, then you have to talk to the writers. And the 516 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,000 example you set of running seems very good to me, because you go out 517 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,039 for a run to enjoy, but not all the time you' re enjoying 518 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:20,920 it. So, to enjoy running you have to somehow practice yes, not 519 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:25,559 have converted procedures, have somehow rutinized a beginning that allows you to get to 520 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,519 that point of enjoyment Let' s say the sooner or get to that point 521 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,639 of enjoying at some point. Sure at first, of course there are people 522 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,119 who put on podcasts, there are people who put on music. I, 523 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,280 for example, put on music. So I try to put on something that 524 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,519 I like a lot and that' s how that happened before and then I 525 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,400 already get a little bit more the same, but that' s what everyone 526 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,639 has tried or taken a route that you like a lot, so whether it 527 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:53,280 ' s the one you start with or not. It costs up, for 528 00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:01,440 example, those tricks that you also mention in book, because those tricks that 529 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,119 are used, things that we do well, things that we do wrong, 530 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,079 such as the theme, for example, of the schemes that everyone pulls from 531 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:10,719 if if I' m going to make schematics, I' m going to 532 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,480 copy the notes. Oh, of course, but it' s not all 533 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,960 that good. It' s not that clear. Sure. Of course, 534 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,039 in the end, to learn, you have to think. So I say 535 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,079 it a lot and I think that for the book it seems that the unit 536 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:28,159 of measurement of the study is not the time, that is, the time 537 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,239 to study. I don' t know how to measure minutes or hours. 538 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:37,559 That' s what you' ve noticed, Juan, because you can spend 539 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,159 an hour thinking about nothing or you can be 20 minutes focused. It happens 540 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,599 a bit the same with the idea of writing notes clean. It' s 541 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,880 just writing one thing a thousand times I' m gonna find out and it 542 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,360 doesn' t happen. You can write a thing a thousand times in autopilot, 543 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,039 without thinking about what you' re writing and not knowing anything. So 544 00:40:55,199 --> 00:41:00,440 there are times that we do, we have reused, there are routines that 545 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,559 are good, but there are other times that we have used things that don 546 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,800 ' t work and we haven' t stopped to think if that really meets 547 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,360 the goal. That' s why it' s important and the book starts 548 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,119 with the goals, because all the time you have to be remembering what the 549 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,039 goal is and if your goal was, as you say, if your goal 550 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,760 was to run for so many minutes or run a marathon that usually is to 551 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,280 participate the wild or races. That' s how it' s usually a 552 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,599 visual target. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not total. People often put 553 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,679 it on, because that has to be your goal and you have to practice 554 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,159 based on that goal. You can' t tell me I' m gonna 555 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,320 do 20 sprint series. I' m gonna end up suffocating in the first 556 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,920 15 minutes and I' m not gonna be able to run anymore. If 557 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:46,199 you want to run ten kilometers at a pace, you' ll have to 558 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,199 practice this way. And so it happens that sometimes it' s good, 559 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,280 because I catch the solved exercises of mathematics and I copy them in the notebook, 560 00:41:54,519 --> 00:42:01,039 because I don' t know you' re copying numbers that to what 561 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,079 extent it works, because you' ll have to think about it, because 562 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,119 what is the goal of this that you' re doing? And sometimes it 563 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,840 seems like the goal is to cover the file and stay calm. And sometimes 564 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719 many times you realize that people who use the clean- up thing, do 565 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,960 schematics. Deep down, he' s trying to gain security. This is 566 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,440 very interesting. It' s just that this gives me peace of mind, 567 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,239 because we' re going to reflect on that, because deep down, you 568 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,840 ' re spending a lot of time for something that you realize doesn' t 569 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,119 help you learn either, but the only thing you do is that, like 570 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:31,800 you' ve always done, you' ve got it all cleaned up and 571 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,559 said I' m already calm. I say it calmly, because in general 572 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,280 it' s usually quiet. So, since everything is perfect, when everything 573 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,480 is, what could be published in a lettering book. In fact, I 574 00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,159 remain calm, because the problem then is not and that is why it is 575 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:51,719 important to reflect. The problem is not so much whether you learn or not 576 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:58,360 to learn this, but what you need to feel prepared, to be able 577 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,880 to respond or to be able to perform an activity. Many times these activities 578 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,320 become as anchors and can serve. But of course, when the time comes 579 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,440 when you have twenty- seven zero note sheets that passed clean maybe, you 580 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,519 ' ll get a lot of suffering, because they' ve become kind of 581 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,039 superstition. You' ve always studied like this and then you always have to 582 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,079 do the same. Then I just have to pass it all clean, because 583 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,719 it' s that if they haven' t become a superstation. If you 584 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,719 haven' t had it clean, but I haven' t studied it ink 585 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,280 people, how many people we know. So there is truth, is that 586 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,639 of course, in all generations there have always been six people who study with 587 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:43,079 the same music or examine you with the same bolling. What. Yeah, 588 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,760 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 589 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,079 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 590 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:49,079 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 591 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:49,079 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 592 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,400 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I realized it gave you the 593 00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:58,199 same thing, but you hang on to things. Yes, yes, it 594 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,719 happened to me, for example, it seems to me. In addition, 595 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,760 he laughed a lot because I already liked how to open the book, to 596 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,960 have the book open, to finish the lebro de la biliote, to leave 597 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,519 it open and then, maybe he was playing with computer. But the book 598 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:15,239 was open there. It gave you and there was a feeling. But deep 599 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,239 down, yes, really, it gave that feeling that it evaporated into ideas 600 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,760 and I breathed them while playing other things. But deep down is what I 601 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,360 ' m telling you about regulation. It' s not the feeling of if 602 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:37,079 I do this externally, I' ll pass and it doesn' t work 603 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,679 So, learning is internal regulation. He reminded me now he takes less, 604 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,840 but in a very good time when it took a lot to say that if 605 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,920 you put your notes on at night, you learned them by sleeping you remember. 606 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,400 That' s what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got 607 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,480 sick of English, uh, I let myself see it, but it didn 608 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:58,719 ' t get any better and I tried it. We' ve tried it. 609 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:05,320 I spore them on a waltman who I hope you know what I was, 610 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480 and then there' s no audience. You don' t say. 611 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,519 I' d put them on a Waltman and but it' s but yes, 612 00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:14,400 but deep down, that' s funny to us. But I' 613 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,880 m telling you, there' s a lot of people studying the same way. 614 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,639 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean. I mean, 615 00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:22,440 either I lie down in bed and then I' m there with seven blankets, 616 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,280 little guy in bed, with the flippers to see, maybe I' 617 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,760 m more. I mean. I don' t want to generate the feeling 618 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,480 that it never works, but in principle, to learn you have to be 619 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,199 active. No, then it' s better to go asking questions or solving 620 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,039 activities than just passing the leaves while you' re there lying down your father 621 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,000 for a wand of blankets. It' s so nice there. We' 622 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:51,320 re reading each other, but there' s a lot about this there' 623 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,760 s even a market, uh, of course, but basically, those people, 624 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,639 what you have to tell them is that if it doesn' t work, 625 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,280 it doesn' t work, but it reflects on whether that' s 626 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,599 the right way, and if it doesn' t, another idea would be 627 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,480 better. I, for example, for laughing at myself, because this really 628 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,840 has to be taken like this. But I was going to study at the 629 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000 faculty and the faculty library was in the basement of a very tall building. 630 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,800 Then the boiler was about forty- five degrees. I was going to study 631 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,880 at school, I, who was hot by myself, sat down, started 632 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,920 sweating, I got a dream, and sometimes I fell asleep. But to 633 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:36,199 sleep that I think is snoring because and of course, but I went to 634 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,199 the library, because everyone went to the library and in the end I went 635 00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,760 to study, I was not going to talk or anything. But how long 636 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960 have I taken advantage of so many mornings in there that deep down I would 637 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,000 come back as if I hadn' t done anything. Things sounded to me, 638 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,599 it reminded me of the form of the pages, but I didn' 639 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,320 t understand anything, because I had to think to see that everyone does this. 640 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,320 But this is good for you. You' re serving this, maybe 641 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,559 not or maybe. You just have to find yourself another college on the coolest 642 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,280 campus and this other place where there' s more, because it was also 643 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,679 closed. I' m telling you, it was a basement. I remember 644 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:16,280 saying, trying to study and now I see it later and I say but 645 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,880 why I didn' t think of going to another is that it' s 646 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,280 as simple as why I didn' t think of going to another place to 647 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,039 study how many mornings of my life, of my best age, of the 648 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:40,239 flower of life, how many mornings I' ve spent, I' ve 649 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,079 supposedly got in to give me security or to stay calm, because deep down 650 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:45,880 I thought that maybe this was what, like everyone else, was good for 651 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:52,599 him and how many people would be there like me, without thinking clearly now 652 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,920 that I would be in another flower of life, because I think that the 653 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,639 flowers of life changes, but always one is the flower of life. This 654 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,159 helps me a lot and I, because there will be people who help him 655 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:06,000 write in this way that what you tell me, because I try it, 656 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:12,679 but I try it always asking myself if it really works and those habits is 657 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,320 what I talked about at first. That doesn' t seem to me to 658 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:22,519 be the fundamental thing, like leaving the autopilot and seeing that well, because 659 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,320 maybe my friends could use it or maybe not even they could serve them. 660 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,880 But this has to be considered. And now that, for example, it 661 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,280 comes from bau and, at least in the context where I move, almost 662 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,800 everyone goes to libraries and it seems to me that many times there is little 663 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,559 reflection on what happens in libraries. And if it' s good for you 664 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,400 or it' s not good for you, everybody' s quieter, because, 665 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840 like you say you' re going to life, man, you don 666 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,639 ' t say you' re going to the club, you say you' 667 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,760 re going to the library now, but deep down, you can go to 668 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,280 the library and be late and do a lot of things and you have to 669 00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,280 think if that' s bringing you closer to your goals and that' s 670 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,000 why I' m telling you how much more. If I leave he saw 671 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840 if I, in the library of my faculty would have said look rather than 672 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,960 study in general, I will try to understand this and at the end of 673 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,440 the session I will ask myself if I have managed to understand it or not. 674 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,440 And if I don' t understand, I' m going to say 675 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,599 well, because today didn' t work. Of course on the fifth day 676 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,400 it didn' t work. That' s when you have to consider whether 677 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,239 I have any close objectives. But I was going there to the library. 678 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,840 Well, everyone was going to pick up the genetic notes that were, so 679 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,559 come six months into genetics. Well, he was passing the leaves, doing 680 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,519 what everyone was doing, not everyone was calmer. Well, I' ve 681 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,679 been to the library He' s studying genetics, because it' s not 682 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,079 good. That' s what you' re supposed to be doing, because 683 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:45,800 you came in and said you didn' t forget anything. Sure, it 684 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,119 ' s a shame if you felt like you were taking advantage of the time 685 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:52,280 and we' ve all been through it. No, and you' re 686 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:58,000 fine with yourself, but we don' t measure whether we' ve learned 687 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,360 or not. Sure, John, in the future I had to give John 688 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:07,960 from the past of the book, this announcement of other people have taken a 689 00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:14,559 gift. Okay. I want to change, Juan, if you had read 690 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:20,159 your book in here, I know, I don' t know, but 691 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,280 I do think I would have at least gained in self- esteem and that 692 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:30,440 ' s why my book goes with a lot of faces mine, many faces 693 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:38,119 many many faces of girls, of boys that I mean, squeal as with 694 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:39,719 an identity you know of life. I' m not very good at it 695 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,559 and I' m very sorry because there are circumstances, obviously, as already 696 00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:52,239 said, but I do not know if something had changed, maybe not, 697 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,119 but if I had changed something from a part that I lived as this is 698 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,719 not good for me. I' m pawning on something I' m not 699 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,599 good at. And deep down, that thing I' m not good at 700 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:10,039 is now things I do now that I' m not bad at. Then 701 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:17,199 of course it would have changed like that introversion, that fear of being wrong 702 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,880 and that fear of expanding. And now I' m more expansive, but 703 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,039 for a much more introverted time. This is precisely why I want to think 704 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,480 that maybe because that' s why it' s written, someone helps or 705 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,840 someone helps help someone is not like the second, helping your son, your 706 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:45,679 daughter live with a little more confidence. And that will also help you, 707 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:52,719 to expand a little bit and discover that you can get things that you might 708 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:59,199 not think a priori, because deep down there are things that you can get 709 00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:06,000 by changing small, making small decisions. Well, listen to that already from 710 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,360 what you lived and that could have been otherwise, a book comes out that 711 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,440 can help change a lot of people. So yes, yes, well, 712 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:19,760 well, we take advantage of it or not. I mean, I' 713 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,280 m very clear about that, but it' s true that that time would 714 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,280 probably have enjoyed more in that superficial sense, deep down, I mean, 715 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:35,880 I would have lived as more in my skin, I would have lived more 716 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,679 in my shoes and less in the shoes of someone else who wasn' t. 717 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,840 Also, especially at certain stages of life. When you' re there, 718 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,760 you put so much weight on the study and the identity goes along with 719 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,000 that study and if you' re not having that result, you' re 720 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,039 no longer worth it. Not to mention, it' s a bit similar 721 00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:00,559 to when in the professional era we drag it a little bit if you notice 722 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,119 if in the job, in your professional career you don' t have the 723 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,920 performance or you don' t have the recognition expected or not, because it 724 00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:20,920 also affects your identity and you are no longer valid if you don' t 725 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,000 have valid results at work, which should be separated and, perhaps, even 726 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,280 implied that reflection. What a goal I have with honesty that I do and 727 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,760 where I want to go and what it brings to me and where I put 728 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,400 the satisfaction. No yes and in fact, even look at the concept of 729 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,920 the motherosphere itself. That is not to say that parenting is also a place 730 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,800 of personal realization where I cannot make decisions, reflect, you do not have 731 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,599 to replicate exactly, not go on autopilot, doing what one lived, but 732 00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:58,519 also put those goals in the short term, not to be frustrated or not 733 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,519 to live like in the shoes of another. I have to get this, 734 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,480 this I live it I also do, as a father, I have to 735 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,559 get this then there, then if you don' t do this, if 736 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,719 this doesn' t happen, well, well, then reflect on why this 737 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,320 affects me so much, because this is important to me because it hurts me 738 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,480 when my son happens to this. That also helps to go, learning, 739 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,480 to be, accompany the children, because deep down, it is not worth 740 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:30,760 going on autopilot, because on autopilot this does not work. You have to 741 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:36,320 think a little, set yourself goals, think why things affect you more or 742 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:42,800 less, and that you are trying to get with a conversation or a punishment, 743 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:49,320 with a decision and without being burdened also and say well, because why 744 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,280 it burdenes me this, because it frustrates me, because I feel impotent with 745 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,760 this clear question, of course and one thing and with this I will finish, 746 00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:04,960 but one thing that unites everything both the upbringing and the study that is 747 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,199 necessary for that reflection, which is the time. Sure, yeah, it 748 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:19,559 ' s black, yeah, it' s time. In the book I 749 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:23,679 try to put some strategy of this, of time management, but I like 750 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,320 it, that is, for me it is very important as dedramatizing as experiences. 751 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,719 So, that' s why I wouldn' t want anyone reading the 752 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,480 book like I give urgent clues. I don' t believe in urgency. 753 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:45,079 I already tell you for me the ordinary, the extraordinary, the day- 754 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,360 to- day, the everyday, the everyday. So it' s more 755 00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:58,800 important how to live, so to have the feeling that there' s a 756 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,639 very good book called Stephen' s first thing covid that of the seven habits, 757 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,440 and then he said to separate the urgent from the important thing is the 758 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,960 whole book. There' s like three chapters half a book. It' 759 00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:15,599 s urgent to separate him from the important. Yeah, yeah, and that 760 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:17,719 idea comes back several times and it' s true. I believe that there 761 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,480 are things that are important, but they are not urgent. But in autopilot 762 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:29,480 I take you the urgency, because yes, we have to give time to 763 00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,679 upbringing, to study, to reading, to everything in general, because we 764 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,159 go very quickly and that affects us in every way and we always demand from 765 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,519 here, from our podcast and in general, we have always demanded to stop 766 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:49,559 a little and go spend the time that is needed for everything and to read 767 00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,480 this book. It' s not that you need to see that I focus 768 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,920 it well, it' s that I have a filter on and then it 769 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,440 doesn' t look. It' s okay. Here it is on top 770 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,360 of my face like that. Yeah, the book Se Lee isn' t 771 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,039 a snugly book I' ve tried. Come on, it' s not 772 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:06,920 a book. I don' t doubt I appreciate it. I also tell 773 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:14,719 you no, because we have a lot and life is its people. Also 774 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,079 have or be clear and then that, which is what You say, that 775 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,760 is also true, that is, that the time of the maid is to 776 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,480 be. The thing is, it' s true that reading, reading is 777 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,280 very important to me, uh, because reading is ruminating, reading, and 778 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:30,239 it doesn' t cost you. But now that you' ve said it, 779 00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:37,639 read yes, foundation stone. Reading is ruminating also helps you set goals, 780 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,880 because it' s saying it' s clear. It is how to 781 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360 stop is to think of slow Chamber yes, yes, and ours to see 782 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,320 what they say that boys, girls read more less, but then they reach 783 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:57,440 certain ages and you have to fight to read, to read and not read 784 00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:01,199 it because it serves them for something, please read for the pleasure of reading, 785 00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:07,559 which seems like a juan utopia, but it is true. But the 786 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:13,960 act of reading itself is revolutionary reading by reading and then still in the attention 787 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,519 part, I defend the exercise of reading. Precisely as this is clear, 788 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,119 i e that at the bottom of the reading is a very good exercise to 789 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:29,519 focus attention. You' re used to focusing attention. The book is full 790 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,519 of advice, but not Council- like Do this because that' s not 791 00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,880 how these advices are. Hey, it' s not thinking, it' 792 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,960 s thinking how you do it. It' s because you do this like 793 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:43,039 this, how you could do it differently. You have thought about how you 794 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,599 can do it with examples of people, of cases, those of John, 795 00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:52,719 who puts himself there in his own skin and I encourage everyone who listens to 796 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,000 you to give him a little while. Yes, it is true, it 797 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,960 is easy to read, it is easy to read, and besides, it 798 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:04,760 is pleasant and you can apply it in many aspects of your life. I 799 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,039 ' ve already told you that at any moment, we all have that moment 800 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:14,559 to come across a more intellectual environment than the other, our children, our 801 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,519 students, our surroundings. And you' re going to make the most of 802 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:23,400 it, Juan. Thank you very much for time, time to spend on 803 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:31,079 interviews to promote your book. I thank you for the time, and you 804 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,039 have given me that it is not only today' s, but that of 805 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,320 reading them describe the pro after you accompanied the presentation of the book, which 806 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,000 was past people. I also loved what you said, what Jorge uv Da 807 00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,239 said. I think it' s very important. And also in this because 808 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,320 I kind of feel very attuned to this mission, that is, let' 809 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,039 s approach teaching families, let' s approach? Let' s get close? 810 00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:54,519 Let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 811 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 812 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 813 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 814 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 815 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 816 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 817 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk, 818 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:54,519 let' s talk, let' s talk, let' s talk. 819 00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:01,079 That' s because we' re in that part together. I feel 820 01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:06,400 that' s very linked. You also know all this, because with that 821 01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:12,559 I stay because it is our total desire also to find the positions and John 822 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:21,920 nothing that I encourage with the doctorate Ale above all lacks all our support. 823 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:29,719 We demand with the coffee what Rosales made me. You give him hard there 824 01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:34,320 the motivation you tell him. We don' t send it to you, 825 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,159 don' t take your password off Twitter. Please don' t do this 826 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,480 to yourself. That then it' s one day the on mus suddenly doesn 827 01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:49,559 ' t give it to you again that we make fan don' t do 828 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:53,840 it and come back with the next book that I' m sure you will 829 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:54,480 and I don' t know, I don' t know. You' 830 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,199 ve got to set targets by playing games You said it. That' s 831 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,320 why I' m always with Dr Good Vale. Yes, it seems to 832 01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:06,400 me that my writer' s journey is going to take a descarshad. Well, 833 01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:09,559 it' s okay. We' ll let you do it later. 834 01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:15,119 Good days of two bullfighting, we' ll tell you something that thank you 835 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:16,800 so much for visiting us again. We will leave you all in the lights 836 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,679 of the program, the information of the book, the formation of the books 837 01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:25,480 of Juan Vale, of his wonderful blog, of his blog that you can 838 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:32,760 consult, where you also continue to write, which is like a revolutionary act 839 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,320 also in your blog. I will leave it to you so that you can 840 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,599 consult him and follow what he is reading and tell us his reviews, his 841 01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:45,280 books, his analyses and his reflections, very sudden and very useful and that 842 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:51,280 it is always a pleasure to listen to you. Juan, Thank you Bonica 843 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,519 for everything, and thank you very much to the people who have listened to 844 01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:57,000 us, who have heard us at any time. I thank you, like 845 01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,480 everything in the icauta type to see you listen to this interview. Guys, 846 01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,039 we' re leaving We' ll be back in a new episode of good 847 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,440 morning more waiting and it' s a lot of good- bye. Bye.