WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.720 Hey, Gravy's, thanks so much for joining us this week for another episode 2 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:16.760 of Great Girls Podcast. As always, it's me or host Hawthorn and Hazel. 3 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.519 This week we're attempting another minisode, so it's going to be pretty short 4 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:26.480 obviously. It's what minisod means mini episode. Our movie this week was The 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.199 Turning. It came out in January of this year. It's really stupid, 6 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.799 Hazel, what did you think of the movie? Without giving anything away and 7 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:38.359 not reading it yet, what do you think about it? What are your 8 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.600 thoughts? I would not see it again or buy it. It was not 9 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.640 good, and if the second one comes out, I would wait until red 10 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:52.399 Box or Netflix. I agree. It was almost as bad as our second 11 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:57.600 episode. That movie caught that weird British horror movie we watched. It just 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.520 wasn't a good movie. It kept all almost getting there. Yeah, like 13 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.680 you just kept waiting, like okay, maybe this is just a really long 14 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.640 movie that took a long time to get off the ground, and it just 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.560 never really took off. It was two hours too long. The ending was 16 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.599 stupid. Oh yeah, really dumb. I don't like when I have to 17 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.760 go online to read about what did this movie tell me so since the movie 18 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.359 was so bad, we're not even going to go over it. We spoke 19 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.640 for like probably the last forty five minutes trying to pick favorite parts of the 20 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:33.040 movie because we didn't have really fair parts. But we did decide and honestly, 21 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.079 if you just watch a few trailers, that was scarier than the whole 22 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.040 movie. Yep, they made it better than it. The movie was, 23 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.920 for sure. I'm just gonna read the synopsis from Google because they I guess 24 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.879 they'll explain it better than we could. Kate Mandel takes a job as a 25 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:53.000 nanny for two young orphans at an isolated Gothic mansion in the main countryside. 26 00:01:53.599 --> 00:02:00.200 She soon learns that the children, Miles and Flora, are emotionally distant and 27 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:06.519 unstable. When strange events start to play Kate and the siblings, she begins 28 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:13.639 to suspect that the estates dark corridors are home to a malevolent entity. No 29 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.759 Dune. So, if we have to say it, the movie starts out 30 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.159 with a woman like running for her life and we find out that's the old 31 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:27.759 nanny, and you see her attempts to open the big you know, the 32 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.000 gates at the edge of a mansion like they always have, and before she 33 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:37.360 can do it, man comes up and tacks her and spoiler alert because this 34 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:44.080 movie sucks and we don't care. It's the groundskeeper named Quint, and he 35 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:50.400 becomes obsessed with Miss Jessel. He takes pictures over while she sleeps, makes 36 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:57.719 unwanted compliments, and advances to her, and he eventually rapes her, strangles 37 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.400 her to death, and hides her body in the pond on the property, 38 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:06.360 hoping it would never be found. Miss Gross the like chef in a way 39 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.400 I don't know, because she's not the nanny. She does everything the housekeeper, 40 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:14.840 I guess. Yeah. She kills Quint after finding out what he did 41 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.520 to Miss Jessel, and that's where Kate comes in. Now she has to 42 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:22.960 watch the seven year old girl named Flora, and she's super cute, but 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.479 you can tell some things are wrong with her. And then the house is 44 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.919 basically haunted by Quint, who's the evil demon, and Jessel, who's a 45 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.639 good ghost, but she just wants her body found so she can be laid 46 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:45.080 to rest. And Miles it kind of seems that he's possessed by mister Quint. 47 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.759 Yeah, there's certain parts in the movie where it kind of fades into 48 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.240 Quint into Miles. Yeah, like he starts treating Yeah, like, if 49 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.680 anything, that's what I think is the turning. Yeah, but he starts 50 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.479 to look at Kate while she undresses. While she's sleeping, he calls her 51 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:12.039 sexy, just really inappropriate things. And Miss Jessel's ghost is protecting Flora from 52 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.400 leaving the property, Like, yes, she's protecting her, but she's also 53 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:20.199 kind of hindering her from getting over her parents' death. The movie's really flattened, 54 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.560 boring. There's like maybe two or three jump scares, but they're not 55 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:29.120 even that good. Hawthorn, What was your favorite part if I had to 56 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.759 pick one, because I really didn't want to because this movie is so stupid. 57 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.399 When Miles comes from from boarding school, we find out he is home 58 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:40.040 from boarding school because he tried to strangle another student, just like Quint strangled 59 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:45.360 Miss Jessel, And when she starts to try to discipline him, he and 60 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:50.360 Flora start pulling pranks on Kate. And one of the pranks they pull is 61 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:56.079 they get like this really creepy looking mannequin and they throw it in not the 62 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.639 quipond, but another pond they have on the property and when eight looks out 63 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.800 the window, she thinks that the mannequin because it has dark brown hair, 64 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.480 it's in like a white dress. She thinks it's the seven year old Flora 65 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.839 drowning. So she runs out of the house and her like nightgown. It's 66 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.720 freezing, you know, this is main so you know, it's fucking cold, 67 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.680 and she dives in the water. And this is probably the only part 68 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.079 that I did, Like, that's why I'm mentioning it. The mannequin actually 69 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.040 kind of comes alive and like tries to like touch her. She screams, 70 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.040 and then when she realizes it, or when she looks at it again, 71 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.120 she realizes it's just the mannequin, but it definitely moved. She comes up 72 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.519 out of the water, you know, gasping for air. She was just 73 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.319 scared into the water, probably swallowed some growth, yea. And the kids 74 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.199 are just laughing at her, and she's like, what the fuck. I 75 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.000 know your parents are dead, but that doesn't give you the rid to treat 76 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:53.040 me bad, you know, it doesn't let you be monsters. And it's 77 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.680 also weird too, because missus Gross has been with the family for like her 78 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.480 whole fucking life, but she doesn't discipline the children at all at all. 79 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:05.319 I hated that and then tells her not to do it. I'm like serious, 80 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.319 So that was my favorite part of the movie. So, Hazel, 81 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.120 what was your favorite part if you had to pick one of the movie. 82 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:17.439 The Turning. Okay, Miles, Flora, and Kate are all walking by 83 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:21.439 a Koi pond. They see a fish out of the water, which is 84 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:27.360 Flora's favorite fish, and a crow looks like it's eating it. Once they 85 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:33.040 walk by, Miles stumps in the fish's head and We're like, damn like 86 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:36.279 that And he was right in front of his sister and like, that's your 87 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:42.279 favorite fish. He was just insensitive about it. Yeah. Kate's like Miles, 88 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:45.720 like are you serious. He's like, no one should have to suffer 89 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.680 through that, through pain. And I wonder if he's saying that because is 90 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:53.879 he possessed by quint who you know, maybe he hurt miss Jessel so bad 91 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:58.160 that he had to end her life to stop suffering, or if this kid 92 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.319 is just you know, the beginning of like a serial killer or something. 93 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.800 You know, one of the first signs is torturing animals. And I mean 94 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.879 he didn't torture it, but like that is weird to see a child do 95 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:12.040 that, you know, it's like he had saw it before before. So 96 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.879 the movie continues with all this weird stuff like you see ghosts blah blah blah 97 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.800 blah blah. So we're just gonna skip to the end, which actually was 98 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.600 the only part we liked. But we can't pick the end as our favorite, 99 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:28.399 even though we loved when it's over. So it's really weird because stuff 100 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.240 only happens at night, and she tries to sleep with the lights on. 101 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.720 Miles even comments like the light's not going to save you, hinting that he 102 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:41.399 has seen the ghosts too. Kate decides to adventure through the part of the 103 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.680 house that no one wanted to go on too. And this is a weird 104 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.759 part because like we see a ghost rape. You don't actually see any rape, 105 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.759 but you can like hear it and like see the bed move and stuff. 106 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.480 But then you do see miss Jessel get killed. And then when she 107 00:07:55.519 --> 00:08:00.800 turns around, Miles is there and he's like you shouldn't be in here, 108 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.360 and she's like what, and then all of a sudden, Quint tries to 109 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.199 kill her and then she runs away. Missus Gross is there. She's like 110 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.839 what the fuck is wrong with you? So Kate gets a package in the 111 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:18.160 mail and it's from her mom, who is like mentally ill, and what 112 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.720 does missus gross or it's like hella bitchy. Yeah, she's like, hopefully 113 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.279 it's not genetic. And I also don't like we didn't really get to see 114 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.839 the painting that her mom sent her. That really pissed me off. That 115 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.799 could have tied everything in. Yeah, so you see what I just said. 116 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.320 And then you see Quint throw missus Gross off of the stairs and kills 117 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.639 her, and then she gets Miles and Flora into the car and tries to 118 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.759 leave. So that's what you think it ends. And you're like, okay, 119 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.159 decent ending whatever. But then all of a sudden, you're taken right 120 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.399 back to the moment that Hazel just said, with miss Gross commenting about her 121 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.039 mother's mental illness, but you don't hear the words this time. Instead, 122 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:07.120 you see Kate hear the children talking about her saying she's crazy, and it 123 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.240 offends her, doesn't She run in and she's like, I'm not crazy. 124 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:18.919 Yeah, And then Kate accidentally breaks Flora's like favorite toy, and then Miles 125 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.720 says, you're delusional. And then this was the weirdest part. We don't 126 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.200 know how she got there, but Kate is all of a sudden at her 127 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.799 mom's mental institution and approach to someone who we guess as her mom. You 128 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.679 don't get to see their face, and when the figure does turn around, 129 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.200 they don't show the face, like I just said, and then Kate screams, 130 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.759 and that's the end of the movie. It didn't make any sense and 131 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.080 we didn't like it. Yeah, so why do you write the movie out 132 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.879 of five? I rate it a two? How could it have been better? 133 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.440 They could have made some kind of concept. They should have tied something 134 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.519 up. I understand that they want to impossible simply make a second one, 135 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.919 and that second one can tie everything up. But the movie was like two 136 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.759 hours long. They didn't tie anything up at all. They left you guessing 137 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.960 about every part that happened. What about you, paulth Thorne, who do 138 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.600 you write it? I'm going to write it a one, and that's probably 139 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.080 the worst writing I've ever given a movie on this whole show. I don't 140 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.600 like movies that you have to like do research to see. I'm watching a 141 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.600 movie and it should be clear. I understand going online to get little tidbits. 142 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.120 It's like confirmation. But we had to do a lot to even understand 143 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.039 what was happening. And I wish they would have chosen mental illness or ghosts, 144 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.639 because obviously there was fucking ghosts. There's no question about that. Yeah, 145 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.799 for sure ghosts. So the fact that they tried to end it being 146 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.879 like, nope, she's just crazy, that doesn't work. It doesn't work 147 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.440 at all because they barely explained the mom. They didn't show the paintings the 148 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.440 ending. Why they show the mom's face? Was she scary? Was the 149 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.639 mom dead? Did she cut her face off? Was it her own face? 150 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:07.799 Was it missjustle space? Like? Too many questions at the end, 151 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.320 And I don't like that kind of stuff. I understand that then you want 152 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.559 a cliffhanger for a second, but I don't like when nothing is clear. 153 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.080 The whole movie is a cliffhanger. It doesn't go together well, it's not 154 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.320 cohesive. Honestly, the ghost we'ren'ting that well done, especially being in like 155 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.279 a twenty twenty movie like come On to step your shit up, And I 156 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:30.159 honestly don't really recommend it. Maybe if you're bored and you want to run 157 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.000 on a red box. Sure, but don't see it in theaters, you 158 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.559 guys, and do not go on a date and watch this because they will 159 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:43.639 break up with you. Right there. We're now to the best part of 160 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:50.159 our show, where we link a real life crime and a real life survival 161 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.799 story to the movie in a creative way. So Hazel, would you like 162 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.600 to go first? Yes, all right, I'm so excited. Here we 163 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:05.679 go for this Survived story is from YouTube. It is just show I Survived. 164 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.559 However, Netflix or Hulu does not have all of the episodes on there. 165 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.879 It is season five, episode twenty one, but you can't go to 166 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.639 YouTube. And I'll even tweet it, so if you want the link, 167 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.919 it'll be on my Twitter or on our Facebook. In March of nineteen ninety 168 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:24.480 three, in Central Africa, Ken the project manager and Sandy was a nanny 169 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:30.720 and tutor of two daughters about four and eight of environmental researchers. Sandy, 170 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:35.480 Ken and the two kids were bathing in a river. Ken and the two 171 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.519 kids are heading back up. Sandy goes back into the water to rinse her 172 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:45.120 hair out. She fills a heavy, large blunt object of some kind smashed 173 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.559 up against her. She knows right away it's a crocodile. She didn't feel 174 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.679 it bite her, just felt like it bumped into her, you know. 175 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.320 But she did have a feeling it was a crocodile. It was a fourteen 176 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.639 foot crocodile. Oh my god, how are they bathing in the river though 177 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.279 they didn't have any showers? Okay, yeah, just was wondering, was 178 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.480 okay, Oh yeah, they didn't have any showers where they were at where 179 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.480 she was tutoring the kids. Because I thought the same thing, like, 180 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.159 and they got the kids. I don't know. Rivers are very dangerous and 181 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.679 I'm a little scary, so I definitely would not be doing that. The 182 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.879 crocodile pulls her under the water. It was trying to drown her. It 183 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.519 grabbed her left forearm. Ken still doesn't know she's under the water because he's 184 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.080 taking care of the kids. The first thing she thought about was the kids. 185 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.879 If there was a whole pack of crocodiles, they would all be done. 186 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.879 She was able to put her mouth over the water and say crocodile. 187 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.200 Ken turns around, thinking she's joking. She's like, I'm not. She 188 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.759 goes back under the water. Crocodiles will do a death roll and tear off 189 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.039 any arm or like to get flesh from their praise body. Sandy was able 190 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.480 to be about waste up in the water. She grabs the snout of the 191 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.879 crocodile and yells, see it's a crocodile. Kenn' is like, oh shit. 192 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.279 Instead of running away with the kids to get help, he runs towards 193 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.480 her to help Sandy. He's thinking he can just grab her out of the 194 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.759 water and then it's over. He ends up grabbing the snout of the crocodile. 195 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.000 I would have shipped right there. M He's punching him in the neck, 196 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.480 trying to poke his eyes out, doing anything to irritate the crocodile to 197 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.759 let go of Sandy. Nothing is working. He didn't want to pull her 198 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.440 because he didn't want to rip her arm off. Rip my arm off, 199 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.159 dude, I don't go fuck dude. And I was thinking that too, 200 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.039 like I could have ripped your arm off, pulled you up, and then 201 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.320 we would have dipped. Ken takes a step back and doesn't know what to 202 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.240 do. He lets Sandy go. The crocodile tries to do another role again 203 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:54.120 with Sandy. The crocodile repeatedly does his death roll, dragging her under water, 204 00:14:54.399 --> 00:15:00.399 each time, going further and deeper in the water. Sandy is doing 205 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:05.039 a tuck and roll wherever the crocodiles spins her. She's going with it. 206 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.919 She's like, I'm not giving up. Before each role, a crocodile will 207 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.679 try to drown its prey each time. Each time, she was able to 208 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.600 breathe and hold her breath. But the crocodile started doing it more than five 209 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.759 times, and she was not able to hold her breath as much as she 210 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.240 was able to do earlier. Each time it stops spinning, Ken would grab 211 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.000 her and try to help her breathe. It was as much as over twelve 212 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:31.679 rolls, and she was thinking to herself, I'm not gonna be able to 213 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.919 survive this. I would have drowned. I cannot hold my breath for long. 214 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.879 I think about that too. For twenty five minute, Sandy and Ken 215 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:46.600 tried to maneuver the crocodile to the shallow or water. The crocodile kept trying 216 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.080 to keep them go deeper. At this point, the water is up to 217 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.679 Ken's neck. He keeps trying to pull her out. He sees that she's 218 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.919 getting weaker. He sees that it's getting harder for her to breathe. Ken 219 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:02.879 is looking at Sandy, not sure what to do. The girls are at 220 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:07.440 the river bank watching this happen. Daylight is disappearing rapidly. Ken was having 221 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:12.799 trouble finding her. Sandy throws herself up, tries to grab Ken. He 222 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:18.480 grabs her. She gets one good breath, then the crocodile grabs her again, 223 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:23.240 does his death roll spin makes Sandy hit some wood. The wood splits. 224 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.000 The crocodile spins her again, makes her hit her back in the wood. 225 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:32.600 The crocodile shows no sign of giving up. It hits sand. Finally, 226 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.159 Sandy is thinking, cool, this is my element. I'm able to 227 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:41.399 breathe. The crocodile rolls again one more time. She's on top. She 228 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.240 looks at Kennon is like, this is it. He pulls her out of 229 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.759 the water and it clicks in both of their heads. Her arm was off. 230 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:55.120 Sandy looks at the crocodile. It swallows her arm. Hohle swings right 231 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.440 back into the water. Damn. I was like, this is mine, 232 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:00.480 and I was thinking what was she going to do? Go back and get 233 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.799 her arm? I'd be like keep it. Sandy says, there's a chance 234 00:17:03.839 --> 00:17:07.480 that the crocodile can come back. They are out of the water, Ken 235 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.119 seize her other arm. Her elbow is barely intact, so it got both 236 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.880 of her arms, both of her arms. Oh my god. They only 237 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.640 thought it was the one. But he's like it was her a gentleman, 238 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.960 you know, So why he takes his shirt off, ties it around her 239 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.359 elbow and arms so she doesn't bleed to death. They both climbed a steep 240 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.880 hill from the river to the car. They drove to a nurse that was 241 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.759 in the village. The nurse wasn't able to do a lot but give her 242 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.599 antibiotics. They leave and go straight to the hospital. It's dark outside. 243 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.680 It's very endangerous to drive at night. A lot of animals can attack. 244 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.119 It took three hours. Sandy said that she didn't feel pain until the adrenaline 245 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.839 went away. She was in a scruciating pain when they reached the hospital. 246 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.039 They had to ampitate her arm. Sandy insist on going to a restaurant, 247 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:02.079 and she asked for crocodile, and she wanted a whole arm. She just 248 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.640 wanted it was like her payback, like the collidl ate mine, I'm going 249 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.640 to eat his literally an arm for an armed situation. Yeah, that was 250 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:17.039 good. She got to go back to the US for a year for surgeries 251 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:21.640 and to recuperate. After she decides to go back to Africa to do the 252 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:26.720 same job. Her employers built a shower so she didn't have to bathe in 253 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:33.079 the river. She survived because she didn't quit. I linked that this case 254 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:38.559 because Kate was a nannie trying to She promised Flora she wouldn't she wouldn't quit 255 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.799 when it leaves. She was trying to also save her life too, And 256 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.279 in my case, she was a nannie also trying to fight for her life 257 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:49.640 as well. And she went in the water and the crocodile attacked her, 258 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.799 and then in the movie like she jumped in the water after the mannequin and 259 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.559 it like Loki tried to attack her. Okay, So I was thinking, 260 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:03.359 what if that was like Quinn's spirit there was water. Yes, that's exactly 261 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.759 what I was thinking. Okay, Hawthorne, please tell us your story. 262 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:17.000 The murder I will be sharing this week is the murder of Julie Riley. 263 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.160 Julie Riley was a forty seven year old woman who needed help with activities of 264 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.400 daily life due to a brain injury she suffered from her injury hindered her ability 265 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.759 to make decisions, as well as no one who to trust. She thought 266 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.799 that everyone was her friend. One day, she met a man named Andrew 267 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:40.079 Wallace around December twenty seventeen. He told her a sob story about how he 268 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:44.480 had recently had his heartbroken by a sex girlfriend. That they just broke up, 269 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.440 and Wallace and Julie came to an agreement that he would move into her 270 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.200 house and help take care of her, but in reality, Andrew was just 271 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.279 looking for someone to take advantage of. The last time Julie was seen alive 272 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:02.079 was on February sixth, two thousand eight, at a store on the security 273 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:06.279 footage. Wallace is seen in the video with her. When Julie failed to 274 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:11.079 show up to her appointments, her family reported her missing February fifteenth, twenty 275 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.839 eighteen. So she didn't even know this guy like two months until he decided 276 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:21.400 to kill her. That's crazy. The exact date of her death isn't clear, 277 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:26.480 but this is what happened. In early February of twenty eighteen. Julie 278 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.000 had asked Wallace to leave her home, and she was so afraid of him 279 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.279 that she tried to protect herself with a knife and told him leave my home. 280 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.599 But Wallace easily took the knife from Julie and stabbed her in the chest. 281 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.400 After he killed Julie, he cut off her legs with a knife and 282 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:47.319 dismembered the rest of her body. He placed the pieces of her body in 283 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:52.400 plastic bags and then put those in two big suitcases. In the days after 284 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.559 the murder, Wallace attempted to get away with the crime. He asked his 285 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.680 friends if you could store the suitcases in their homes, and had many different 286 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.079 stories for what these suitcases were. He told one friend flat out, I 287 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:08.039 need help getting rid of a body. He told another one, I got 288 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:12.400 kicked out by Julie, and this is all my dirty laundry. I'm guessing 289 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.720 he said that due to the smell of the decomposition. He also told someone 290 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.519 that he had hit a deer and placed the meat into the suitcases, and 291 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:25.759 he wanted to sell the meat. Once he couldn't find someone to take the 292 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.680 suitcases for him, he decided to bury the evidence. He buried her legs 293 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.319 in a nearby garden and the two suitcases in a different location. Then he 294 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.240 began to clean up Julie's apartment. Wallace thought that he had gotten away with 295 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:42.759 murder. That was until April nineteenth, twenty eighteen, when a passer by 296 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.799 saw a leg bone with flesh on it, sticking out of a garden. 297 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:52.559 The police arrived to investigate. Upon checking their files, they realized how close 298 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:57.480 the location of the severed leg was to an existing missing person's residence, Julie 299 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:03.240 Riley. Wallace tried to lie about his involvement. He told police that Julie 300 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.519 had just moved into a new home, but that didn't make sense to anyone. 301 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.680 Julie needed help and wouldn't be able to just move, and she wouldn't 302 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:15.640 move without telling her family and friends. The police arrested Andrew Wallace. He 303 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.359 had a previous murder on his record. When he was just fifteen years old, 304 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.359 he stabbed fifty one year old Caroline Packard to death, and he served 305 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.759 twenty eight years for the murder. Now, about forty three years old, 306 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:32.759 here he is again stabbing an innocent woman to death. The police examined Julie's 307 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.319 home and found traces of blood everywhere. It was in the hallway, in 308 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.759 the kitchen, the bedrooms, and the living room. On February eighth, 309 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:45.359 twenty nineteen, about one year exactly from the day that he murdered Julie Riley, 310 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.759 Andrew Wallace was sentenced to life imprisonment with twenty eight years minimum due to 311 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.839 pleading guilty. At first, Julie's legs were the only part of her body 312 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:59.920 that they had ever found, But three months into his prison sentence, Wallace 313 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.480 gave directions to the police to uncover the rest of Julie's remains. The police 314 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.680 did find them, and her family was finally able to put her to rest. 315 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.240 My sources for this case are from BBC dot com and Scotland Judiciary dot 316 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:18.799 org. I chose this case because Andrew Wallace was a murderer since he was 317 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.599 a teen, yet somehow got out and was able to kill again, and 318 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.880 in the movie, if Miles continues down his path, he will become a 319 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.400 murderer like quint. I also chose it because at first Julie's legs were the 320 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.880 only part of her body found, so her soul couldn't be laid to rest. 321 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:40.279 In the movie The Turning, Miss Jessel's body was discovered at the bottom 322 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:45.079 of a lake and her soul was unable to be set free. I like 323 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.480 it. I like it a lot. So he had stabbed somebody before, 324 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:53.079 and they are only giving him twenty five years minimum, twenty eight or twenty 325 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.680 eight years minimum, Why he's just gonna leave and do it again? If 326 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.839 they appealed and if he got out, was just say yeah, like, 327 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.680 if you already have one murder conviction on your record, I don't think you 328 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.160 should be getting out. Ever. That's just me, No, I agree 329 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.640 with you. That's why I said that. Yeah, I think that's ridiculous. 330 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.160 So why he can You don't think he's gonna stab somebody at what seventy 331 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.359 five eighty years old? I think we don't stop. He'll be seventy if 332 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.119 he can get out, I don't think he will. He got out and 333 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.720 then killed right after. He literally just served twenty eight years and he played 334 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.400 guilty when he was fifteen. I really think he kind of learned that I 335 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.400 can kill someone and if I plead guilty, then I'll get twenty eight years, 336 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.920 which really isn't that long. No, it's really not. Obviously he 337 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.599 just served it. Yeah, So yeah, that's our episode. Me and 338 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.799 Emrellas will be doing an episode on the movie The Ruins, so definitely watch 339 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:51.720 it by then, and Hazel and I will be doing The Invisible Man. 340 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:55.799 Yeah, can't wait. We'll be watching it next week, so it'll probably 341 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.680 be in about a two weeks two weeks around there, so definitely check out 342 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.960 The Rule and The Invisible Man and we'll catch you back when we're done recording 343 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.440 those. Yep, we love you all in case we die bye. Thank 344 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.559 you all so much for listening to this week's episode of Grave Girls Podcast. 345 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.079 If you want to support our show, please rate and write us a review 346 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.519 on iTunes. We're also available wherever podcasts are found. 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