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exclusive podcast looking back at the career
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what WWE would be like without John
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and getting Shawn's wrestler's eye perspective on
that. Sandbaging is when you're not helping

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your opponent look good and you're making
them rely on their strength to execute moves

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and it makes them look weak.
Also, Sean talked about his biggest pay

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days and his biggest earnings during his
years of wrestling. Also Curtis Axel's progress.

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Sean was real close with Curtis's dad, Kurt Henning. Also the Triple

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H Wade Keller controversy from that week. Also Scott Hall, Steve Boston,

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AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, the
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Friday, August twenty third, twenty thirteen

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is Sean Waltman, also known as
XPOC and six and the Lightning Kid back

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in the day. All Right,
and Sean, are you there? Yes?

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I am. I think we've maybe
maybe gotten ourselves, both you and

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I connected and on the air take
three or take four? What a miracle.

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I'm gonna ask the chat room if
we are live and if they can

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hear us, and they're saying yes, So that is good. Welcome to

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the show, Sean, welcome back. Oh thanks, it's always good.

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It's always good to join you.
It's absolutely good to have you on the

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show. We've always good to talk
to all your listeners. All were educated

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listeners, well most of them.
Well there's a couple. There's a couple.

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Which ones aren't the ones that disagree
with you know, the ones who

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asked the same questions every week or
you know, well, I don't know.

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You know what I'll do, I'll
just point them out as they call.

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Okay, how's that? Okay?
So let's start out first of ball,

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real quick, what's well, not
real quick, but what's happening?

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What's happening with you these days?
Keeping out of trouble man. You know

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obviously you know the injury, uh
that that I sustained, Uh, you

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know in Minneapolis there for Jerry Jerry's
retirement match put me out of commission for

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several months, and so you know, uh, things have been slow for

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for the last couple of months.
But starting like the thirty first, Uh,

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things are I'm gonna be busy,
like like like I'm gonna be really

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busy with appearances or matches both both
both on the thirty first quorn Pasadena,

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which is a basically Houston, Texas
It's Clutch City Promotions, I think is

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the name of the group, but
uh, it's Kevin Scott and I uh

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the Wolfpack, uh headline and uh
and and a whole cast of characters like

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you know, basically who's who of
guys you know on the on the convention

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circuit sou and I think they might
even be having a match later in the

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night, I don't know. But
and then you know, I got tons

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of stuff. I mean, I
got a new story. Like here's the

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thing, wait is every time I
come on your show, I always just

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come on just you know, because
I love talking wrestling, and I never

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I never really have anything to plug, but but uh, nWo wolfpac dot

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com actually uh has some has some
stuff up if anybody's uh wants to support

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the cause. And nWo wolfpack dot
com. Yeah cool. And have you

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uh have you been hanging out with
at WW developmental at all keeping an eye

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on things or have you been busy
with other stuff or actually I haven't even

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been to the new facility yet.
Wow, And that was that. And

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I was just in Philly for for
money in the bank, and uh,

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you know, a hunter was even
telling me, Hey, I'm sorry.

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You know I've been meaning to get
you, get you over there, and

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just uh, you know, you
know how it is. Yeah, yeah,

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they're busy and uh you know,
I'm not the most important thing on

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their list. So yeah, yeah, I can't understand why, Well what

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I want to do and I got
a million things I can talk to you

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about, but we can save some
of that for the BIP after shure what

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I'd like to do some sweet have
colors on hold who have been patiently on

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hold as we worked through our technical
issues. Our conference line is after two

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years. It's never not worked like
that, And I'm gonna not blame you.

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Sean and I'm not gonna blame me
even though there's a ninety nine percent

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chance it's your fault for my fault, and I usually it's my fault.

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Well, I'm not I'm not distributing
that ninety nine percent publicly. I'm just

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saying between us it's probably ninety I
ever said, but there's a chance the

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conference line was the problem too,
It's not. It wouldn't be the first

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time ever. So we did leave
our callers on hold for a while,

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so a little quicker than normal.
I want to move to them and see

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what they have to say. Vipears, if you're on hold, you know

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what to do to move to the
front of the line. We talk about

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it on the VP audio shows.
So do that. And one person who

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did that was Brian calling from Minneapolis
from Eric nine five two. Yeah homeboys,

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Yeah, Brian, what if?
Please? Uh tell us what's city?

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And many in the Mineapolis Saint Paul
area you're from? I am from

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Bloomington, home of high voltage radio. You can I teams it and the

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Kennedy Eagles, Wow, right down
the street from you. Wade. Yeah

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of my old my old stopping groups. Yeah yeah, friend, sorry to

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talk over you speak up just a
little bit, where a more trouble than

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usual hearing you? All right?
Am I better now? Yeah? Yeah?

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Okay? Cool? Uh two quick
questions toyon and I'll let you kind

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of go over them. You were
speaking about Jerry Lynn, and Jerry's one

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of my favorite wrestlers. I got
to see him so many times in ECW

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take on some of his uh some
patriots that were more his style, and

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Sean wrestled people that so much worn't
his style. More often. He'd be

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in the sixth man tag versus macho
and I would never turn down an ultimost

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sixth match, but I didn't get
it often. So what's the difference between

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you and Jerry that landed two guys
in different spots at the end of your

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career and throughout you know, you
guys are considered counterparts by many, especially

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in your early part of your careers. And then question do you want me

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to answer that the second part?
That's a great question too, by the

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way, I think, Uh,
there is a bit of difference in our

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styles, uh, because I mean
we worked so good together, you know,

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Uh, I mean I can't even
explain to you. It's hard to

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explain to somebody that's not that's not
a professional wrestler. Like what it's like

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when you get in there with somebody
and you just you just feel like,

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uh, the magic right away,
Like I mean you just know, I

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mean you can just feel the chemistry
and uh. And we were on the

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same page and we were both welling
to put you know, put it all

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out there for the people. I
mean, I mean, Wake can vouch

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for it. I mean he's been
he's been to some of these shows that

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we worked in back in the day
where we beat the live in hell out

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each other, like, you know, uh, for the people, and

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and just you know, I think
a lot of it. I Mean,

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the I'm gathering what you're asking me
is like, how come like uh uh,

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I I'd be you know, I
was able to become more quote unquote

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successful or whatever. I wasn't I
mean in that way somewhat goshan somewhat more

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successful. But for me, it
was just the career paths you never obtained

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like that. Jerry, Jerry don't
have enough asshole. That's the bottom line

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is Jerry Jerry doesn't have enough asshole
on him. He's way too nice of

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a guy. And sometimes you got
to be an asshole, you know.

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And uh and and and I mean
it's a it's it's a it's an industry

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bowl of uh some really good people
and some are really bad people and some

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real dicks. And I learned that
firsthand. Yeah, you know. And

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so I just uh and and plus
I you know, I was fortunate enough

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to be aligned with with some very
powerful friends, you know. I mean,

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the five of us stuck together like
uh, like super I mean you

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couldn't you know, you couldn't you
couldn't you know, you couldn't get in

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between us. So you know,
but uh, style wise, I I

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I know Jerry, Jerry's uh,
I don't know. I always thought he

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was a harder worker than me,
to be honest with you, I always

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thought he was like where where I
was looking to be more efficient, Like

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he wasn't afraid to do to do
more, you know. And I'm not

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saying I'm not I'm not calling myself
lazy. I'm just saying, you know,

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uh, you know, I I
don't know what I'm trying to say.

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You wrestled like w W E style, and that's fine. I don't

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it's marked you for it. Yeah, it's it's it's hard to explain sometimes

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you know, to to to the
to the l a person. But hopefully

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I did an okay job. You
know. It was that charing from your

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perspective acceptable, especially from someone who's
been around is in the industry so long

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as you have. Which leads me
to my second question, which is,

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uh, pick some wrestlers that you
didn't get to work programs with or ever,

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or maybe just short ones in your
prime And as a caveat, I'd

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like to throw on some current people
in developmental like a Leo Krueger and such,

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who you'd like to work with in
your prime today in their primer,

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but you know what I mean,
together in your primes. Who would you

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like? Yeah? We Krueger,
Yeah, Leo Krueger has been on my

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list for a while now, for
a way over a year. He's been

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on my Uh keep an eye out
for this guy list him. You know.

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Uh, I only had I only
had the pleasure of working with Daniel

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Bryan twice. Once was at the
Aoki Dojo in Santa Monica, California,

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at a time when I was still
in a relationship with China and I was

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doing a lot of drugs in no
shape to be in the ring, and

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we still had a hell of a
match. And uh the second one,

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I just blew my knee out completely
and was barely able to walk. And

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uh, but I couldn't take time
off like I was down in Mexico and

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we had a tour of Australia and
I was I was fortunate enough to work

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with Bryan, with Daniel Bryan over
and uh and in Perth, Perth,

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Australia, And in spite of the
fact that I could barely walk, like

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good to help a match actually and
it was, it was, it was,

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it was, it was great and
uh, Daniel Brian even actually said

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I was the first guy that he
ever worked with that uh, that would

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like work a hole like like like
when like when he had me in a

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head box, like I would come
up out of it into a top wrist

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lock, but I would really work
it and get the people behind me and

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and and you know, and and
it was surprising to him how easy,

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like like, oh wow, that
was simple, you know, I mean

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you always did effectively though, was
you know, getting smaller guys you know

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in WWFF at the time, and
how to use that kind of workability to

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get yourself more of it, especially
in like your Cuban razor, you know,

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I mean, because I believe it
as a kid, this little guy

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is gonna take down Goliath. And
my golly, you did it. I

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went crazy. Yeah. Yeah,
And Vince was real smart on how he

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used me, because like he still
he still had me do jobs, he

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still had me lose. And and
at the time I didn't understand it,

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but it was for a good reason, you know. You know, if

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if all of a sudden, I'm
beating everybody who I'm not, I'm not

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really much of an underdog, then
you know, so I even though it

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for Sunday hurt me in terms of
Daniel Bryan in that aspect, yeah,

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yeah, and and and and try
to look at it this way. That

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means it worked. Yes, I
know. That means it works because even

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though even though you got even though
uh, the fans are are are smarter

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today and they're hip to you know
that it's a work and this and that

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like it's still pissed that it's still
pissed Daniel Bryan fans off, you know.

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left him laying, Uh, I

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thought that was fantastic. You know. I mean, yeah, there's some

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holes in it, like yeah,
we could pick certain things apart about it,

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but overall I thought that was great. I thought that was great for

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for for Brian, Yeah, great
match for both him, Yeah, Daniel,

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Bryan and John seen as well as
the cmpung Frock Weasner match that match

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with absolutely, I dare say I
love this. I watched it again.

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Well. Thank you so much,
Sean. It was a pleasure talking at

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other people, talk to you and
ask you questions and look forward to what's

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that next time I'm in Minnesota.
Hope you come up to see me.

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I will come up to see you. We'd love to have you on High

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Voltage Radio sometime. Absolutely, Sean, thank you and you guys have a

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dot com. Pwtorch Livecast at gmail
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call, I'm going to work in
an email question. This is from Cody.

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He says, I know Xbox teams
with ten years ago. Did you

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have a good relationship with Glen Jacobs? What do you think about his career

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up to this point? Are there
any road or locker room stories you could

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share about the Big Red Machine?
Thanks Cody from Iowa. Yeah. Sure,

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I had a fantastic relationship with Glenn. First of all, Uh,

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we've both come from the same dojo, from the we both have the same

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maestro, the great Malenko, and
uh, you can't get you can't get

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much better than that. When uh, when you talk about teaching and uh

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and you know, learning from somebody. So uh so we already had that

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in common. And when when they
put us together, I mean, mind

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you, we got along uh really
good in general. But when they put

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us together, I uh, I
just I uh I loved it. Man.

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I loved having him as as a
partner. And uh, he's he's

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a real he's a quiet guy,
you know, like and and he doesn't

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like to rock the boat. And
so you know, they would ask they

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would want to do things, and
they would suggest things like you know,

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uh that that weren't fitting for for
Kane to do. And like he's did

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not rock the boat type of guy. And I am and so like I

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would be like, no, Kane's
not doing that, you know, and

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that was why, that was why
it you know, he didn't speak for

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such a long time, which was
which was a good thing. Uh and

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uh, you know, and also
he lost a little bit of weight for

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for for a while, and some
of the agents slash producers were like,

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well he's not that big anymore.
I'm like, it doesn't matter. He's

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still came. Everybody still has to
sell form the same and the people react

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accordingly. And uh and I was
right, So I I just I see

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him, I see like I saw
the team, you know. Uh,

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I don't know what they called the
team again, Hell yeah, team hell

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yeah, hell no, or something
with Brian team hell it's a team hell

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no, I think. But I
always get these mixed up. Yeah.

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Well, I mean it's hard not
to compare the two, you know,

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it's hard not it's hard not to
compare Kane and I and and and and

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Darie O'Brien and Kane and I thought
both our team and and their team are

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both equally great, very cool and
fresh stories go like he he was a

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world champion at one point and they
still had him sitting and coach and he

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was so pissed off one time.
Uh he actually ripped the end off off

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of the seat and in the in
the airplane and uh and uh I actually

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used that line to him too,
I said, I said, Glenn,

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you know, sometimes you got to
have a little asshole and you you know,

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and uh, you guys too,
like I'm like, your world champion,

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you're a world champion and your your
main inventor here like and I even

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said to some the higher up,
So I'm like, come on, man,

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just because the guys you know,
uh uh plays Paul you know,

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don't do him like that. Man, he needs to be in first class.

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He's six foot ten for crying out
loud. Yeah, all right,

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uh the let me see here,
okay, cool, just making sure everything's

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working here, Let's go to let's
go to another phone call. I think

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we covered the Glen Jacobs situation,
although I did want to ask is he

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Glen Jacob's a big show? Paul
White and Mark Henry are the most tenured

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wrestlers who still go out on the
road. Which of those guys is is

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a locker room leader? And in
what way are they a locker room leader

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from what from what you've seen develop
over the years. I know you're not

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on the road right now, but
I think you're plugged in enough to kind

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of knows those three personalities because you've
been around so long. Man, it's

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hard. It's hard to say because
the guys don't The camaraderie isn't the same

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as it was when I was full
time there, you know, And I've

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talked about this before, but you
know, everybody has their own bus now,

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and if they're not you know,
if they have downtime, they're usually

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chilling in their bus. And you
know, there's not you don't see a

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lot of locker room situations where everybody's
in the locker room just chilling and bullshitting

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with each other and and you know, having a good time and friendly ribs

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and you know, all that the
kind of stuff that builds camaraderie really,

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you know amongst your car weeks.
Yeah, that's being said, like uh

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uh, don't believe it or not? Mark Henry, Uh, the Big

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Show, I'd have to say,
are probably a tie for that. Yeah.

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And Glenn is more more laid back
or or interested introverted. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, except for like, uh, you know he uh he's

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politically active and uh you know when
he when he's when he speaks uh uh

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you know on politics, he's not
introverted at all. Yeah. And about

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libertarian absolutely absolutely, much like myself. Yep, C on Punk on Monday.

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I'm gonna ask my own question and
then we'll go back to phone lines.

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The phone number, by the way, six four six seven two one

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ninety two eight. If you're on
hold, hold tight, got several of

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you on hold, living on hold
a while. But a quick question on

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CM punk. He got to the
ring day after Summer Slam. A guy

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in the crowd shout something and then
he turns and and just focuses on that

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guy, called him a fat boy, challenges them to come in the ring.

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Uh you saw that right Monday,
of course. Did that ring to

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you as something that when you're watching
it live, did you think, oh,

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that's a plant, it was part
of the script, or do you

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think, oh, punks in a
mood or he went out there looking for

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someone? And you know what,
what was your take on that situation in

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terms of how it came about?
And also is that something you think management

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liked the way it was handled.
I I it wasn't a plan. I

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im I'd almost bet my life it
was. It wasn't a planned Yeah.

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It says that's too much. That's
too much. We're being put into something

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so insignificant, you know what I
mean. Yeah. Uh As far as

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his actions, I don't have a
problem with it whatsoever. It's just like

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when you go, uh see a
comedian and uh if you if you,

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if you choose to called the comedian, you get you know, and he

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lamb based, sit, you get
what you got coming to you? Yeah,

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you paid and he even said you
paid your price for your ticket.

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So you have the right to to
boom me. But you know, at

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the same time he has the right
to uh rak him over the coals too.

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Is that is that a Is that
a move that top level made?

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Event? Heels? Do? I
mean? I just don't think it's usually

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not, Yeah, usually not.
But honestly, like he was, I

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think that, you know the nature
of of the the promo he was cutting

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and the ray emotion, I think
that I think that it was fine.

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Yeah, And I'm of mixed feelings
on it, you know, because I

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don't have a strong feeling. I
have a wide range of conflicting feelings,

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because when he did that, it
was novel because you don't see that a

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lot, you know, you can
see that happen. And to what you

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just said, John, it fit
the mood of the moment, the mood

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that he was in he lost to
Lessener. He's still mad at Hayman,

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and you could just we've all been
there. We've all been in that mode

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where it just took one trigger in
somebody who isn't the person at falls gets

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all the stress built up inside of
us unleashed at them, you know.

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And and you know, Eric Bischoff
used to joke that Terry Taylor was the

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guy who no matter if Eric had
a bad day, it would all get

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let let loose on Terry Taylor.
Yeah, for Terry, he used to

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take the print from everybody. Oh, Scott Scott Hall used to be fish

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brutal on Terry sometimes, yep,
yep. And so I get that,

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And it worked in the sense that
the crowd went nuts. That's our CM

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punk. He's chewing out that fan
and you know, it's like its fist

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punk characters. So I agree with
all I for all those reasons. I

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don't have a strong opinion against it. But I have my reservations, which

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is, like you said, making
a lot of spending a lot of time

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on something that maybe didn't deserve it. And two, should he be challenging

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a fan to enter the ring when
you open that door? I just think

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as a corporation and legally, what
if the fan and stepped over the railing?

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What then then what? You know, what if well, then you

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have to beat their ass yea or
hopefully hope you know, Hope it's scary,

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you know, gets in the middle
of it. Yeah, I've had

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shit like that backfire on me.
Ye And you know, you go back

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to see him Punk when he swung
his arm backwards at a fan who he

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thought was hitting him on the back
when he was doing a promo in the

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crowd, and then he ended up
hitting the wrong fan. You know,

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Punk has a temper of some type, and you know, and but I

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don't know. He might have gone
out there with the idea being I'm gonna

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find a fan who's giving me hard
time, and this is what I have

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in mind. It's not scripted,
but highly I highly doubt it. Yeah,

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yeah, highly doubt it. And
as far as management, like,

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uh, they might have said something
to him, but I doubt that too,

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really, I doubt it. Yeah, I mean I think the piece

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of business was was good enough that
uh that they you know that that that

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wasn't quite that was that wasn't half
you know, Yeah, it was big

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for too. We forgot about that. And bus. I'm sure that guy

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was drilled. I mean, that
guy had something something to talk about for

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the rest of his life. Oh, absolutely, yeah, I don't it's

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I don't think the fan has any
I'm sure that made the fan's day.

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Absolutely yeah. I mean I saw
some people's Twitter comments, you know,

407
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:26.680
oh that's bs and you know,
I just like, you know, like

408
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.039
not you know, I told you
you don't get it, and and you

409
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.359
get to go to a show and
the only I mean, I would disagree

410
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.519
a little bit in terms of it
being a perfect analogy between stand up comedy

411
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.279
and wrestling, because wrestling is meant
to be your cheer, your boo.

412
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.920
It's established with sena you're you're there
to engage and you're encouraged to boo and

413
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.599
heckle and cheer and jeer and whatever. And I thought punk came across even

414
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.759
though across pop for it. I
think there's a level of thin skinness that

415
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.440
said, look at what John Cena
has taken for the past eight years,

416
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.799
and Punk gets one guy in row
three heckling. I mean, he loses

417
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.920
it. It's like thinking, you
know, get a little tougher than not

418
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.039
everybody's gonna love use Sam Punk.
And I thought that was a potential backlash

419
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.200
if it seemed like he couldn't handle
even a heckler. But I but I

420
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.759
get the circumstance. The day after
Lessner, I think fans like that he

421
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:18.200
tore into the guy. Heh,
here's a ding too, see him Punk.

422
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.079
In my opinion, he's not a
baby face. He's see him Punk,

423
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.839
right, So he can be booked
with Rock Lessner, he can be

424
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.000
booked with John Cena. He could
be booked you know, yeah whoever,

425
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.559
I think the great thing about c
him Punk is that he doesn't change,

426
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.279
don't matter which no matter whether he's
used as a heel or a face.

427
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:47.079
But what you don't like about Punk
is that he's not a thin skinned woos

428
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.160
who's going to freak out anytime somebody
dares to question his perfect his perfectness.

429
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.160
And that's and that came across like, oh, how dare you boo me,

430
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.759
I'm the great Sam Punk. You
know, there's there's a chance of

431
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.160
that. It's like everybody gets tackled
a little bit, but not everybody completely

432
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.440
has a meltdown like Punk, And
I think there's a danger for his care.

433
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.960
He's somebody who I think is cool
and fans like him because he's cool,

434
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:10.839
and maybe brushing that off or not
for un attention to it makes more

435
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.799
sense than letting some average do in
the crowd get to him and then picking

436
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.599
on him for his weight, which
you know, it's just I don't know,

437
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.519
it's just I, like I said, I got mixed feelings. Ultimately,

438
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.920
the crowd pop huge for it,
so that's kind of the verdict.

439
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:30.119
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look to the coline I've promised and go

466
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to Erico three one nine next three
one nine takes a colin. Please state

467
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.719
your name and where you're from.
This is Andrew from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

468
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.000
Andrew, Thanks Colin. What have
you got? Did you say Xandrew?

469
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.280
Andrew? Andrew, Andrew? What's
up? Maham? Now? Mind?

470
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.960
I've called you like this is like
the fifth time we should like hang

471
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:43.440
out sometimes, like call me like
every one nine just season. Oh that's

472
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.599
right, because we were talking about
how NW has sold out pay per view

473
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:51.599
was from there. Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. I got a question.

474
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.320
The w WS talked about you being
in the Hall of Fame. With

475
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.480
DX. Triple HS right now is
not in the Hall of Fame. Do

476
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.119
you think it would make sense if
next year Triple H is inducted into d

477
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.519
X and also inducted by himself,
because even when he's by himself, he's

478
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.159
going to talk about d X anyways. So I was thinking, like,

479
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:14.679
what if DX can be inducted and
then later that night he can just do

480
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:22.039
his own thing. Uh, that's
I'd have to say, you know,

481
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:27.880
I think he deserves to be uh, to be inducted on his own first,

482
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:35.480
you know, I mean that's you
know, Uh that that means I

483
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:42.599
have to wait an extra you know, however long if I'm inducted as a

484
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:46.000
as a group for d X,
but I could also be inducted uh with

485
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.639
MWO, which might be a little
harder since there was so many people they

486
00:35:51.679 --> 00:36:00.800
put in MWO. Uh, I
don't know. I mean, Uh,

487
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:07.920
Paul deserves it. He deserves his
own night. He and UH and I'm

488
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.840
and I'm fantastic come first, doesn't
If you want your first Hall of Fame

489
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.639
to be for your singles career,
and then later a year or two three,

490
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:16.800
whatever, you know, then then
you come in, go in as

491
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.719
a group absolutely. Yeah, and
and you might get inducted as a singles

492
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.760
wrestler first before d X or I
and and I can't. I mean I

493
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:31.360
might be just because it's me and
you know, and that I might.

494
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.039
This might come across, you know, wrong to some people. But I

495
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:46.440
think my career as a singles uh. If you look at all the other

496
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:53.119
inductees, uh since the Hall of
Fame was started. I I think I

497
00:36:53.639 --> 00:37:00.280
can. I could be inducted on
my my merits as a singles You're at

498
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:09.159
least Coco beware. Thanks Andrew,
What have you got for us anything?

499
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.920
I got another question? Okay,
I got one more question. Let's say

500
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.199
that you were at home and you
were streaming in a pay per view.

501
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.519
How would Triple H spiel if you
came to your house and saw you not

502
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.400
order the pay per view? Like, would that ruin anything? Steal it?

503
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.039
You mean, yeah, yeah,
I just watch it. He just

504
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.920
comes to your house and you're on
in your laptop being hey, I'm watching

505
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:37.559
backlash. I don't think he would. I don't think you can make walboards

506
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.599
three out of it, but it
probably think it was kind of lame.

507
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.840
He might he might hand you some
money and go you must need money,

508
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:49.760
right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Help brother. If you got the

509
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.239
money to do something legally and legit, and there's out you do that way,

510
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:59.039
that's just that's you know, Yeah, that's lame as hell many honestly,

511
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.800
if you can afford it's it's really
lame to be uh. You know

512
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.119
the shop if the shopkeeper in a
in a business goes into the back to

513
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.199
look for some merchandise for you,
when you start loading your pockets with craft

514
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.280
and you feel good about it,
you know, that's what you're doing when

515
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.079
you're taking a pirate feet because you're
taking I mean, there's all kinds of

516
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.679
rationalizations and people have them and everybody
makes their own decisions, but you know,

517
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.000
when you're stealing, you're stealing,
and you can rationalize it ever you

518
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.320
want, but there's a price.
Take good on it, and guys like

519
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.719
you, Sean, but give so
much for that. And the more money

520
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.360
the pay per view makes, the
more money the wrestlers make. Yeah,

521
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.159
it's not yeah, I mean,
i it's it's hard for for the average

522
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:46.119
person to to imagine just what goes
them to, uh to putting to putting

523
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:52.000
a live raw on, let alone
a pay per view the countless number of

524
00:38:52.159 --> 00:39:00.199
semi trucks, uh, the countless
uh number of of uh people that they

525
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:08.039
have uh working for them that make
that thing happen. Uh. You know,

526
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:15.880
the preparation that goes into it,
from from the writers to uh to

527
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.440
to the boys, you know,
the performers, and uh it's it's stealing,

528
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.440
you know, I mean, it's
I can I can't even begin to

529
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:34.199
imagine how how much money is lost
uh due to piracy, you know,

530
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.679
of that nature. Money in the
bank came in under two hundred thousand buys.

531
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.599
I bet, I bet there were
hundreds of thousands of people watching pirate

532
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.800
feeds, you know, and yep, and uh in that you know,

533
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:45.599
I mean, every little thing counts. I mean, I don't want to

534
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.599
get into a lecture for people.
And there's worse things in the world and

535
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.880
all that, but it's you know, you're you're wrestler. You know how

536
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.920
much of a difference it makes your
pocketbook if everybody who could afford it paid

537
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.800
for instead of stealing it. It
makes a real difference for the price you

538
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.760
pay and and and the sacrifice you
made. Not you know, there's a

539
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.000
lot of wrestlers were on around their
kids growing up as much as they'd like

540
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.679
and having all kinds of injuries and
all kinds of sacrifices, and every fan

541
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.960
who who who goes legit watches it
on their TV on and I Death on

542
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.920
big screen and gets the full experience
but pays for it. It's a fair

543
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.960
exchange with what wrestlers go through.
But like I said, get through preachy

544
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.800
because some people hate when we do
this. But no, bro, I

545
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.440
mean you know, yeah, he
asks the question, so exactly. Anyway,

546
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.760
Andrew, thanks for the call.
Yeah, thanks, funny, Yeah,

547
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:42.159
you're welcome. Hopefully Andrew's not sheepishly
walking away from the Uh No,

548
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.519
I'm sure Andrew's on the up and
up on everything. Yeah, I mean

549
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.159
too, wink wink. Yeah,
all right, next up, I'm gonna

550
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.440
bounce back and forth. Email the
phone call. Just be sure to emails

551
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.840
here because I did hype it all
week. Chris from Warner Robbins Georgia says,

552
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.920
do you guys think mentioning Daniel Brand's
size is a way of the come

553
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.400
but he owning it, much like
how music manager or what music managers will

554
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.679
have clients with something that might be
seen as a deficiency by others, but

555
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.400
they pointed out first to take away
that power from naysayers, basically like saying,

556
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:14.840
hey, this might be this blank, but he beat seen it and

557
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.559
he can beat anybody here. And
I'll add to that, Sean. I

558
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.079
think it was Robert Kennedy going way
back to the sixties who said the policy

559
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.360
for politicians should be hanging a lantern
on your problems. In other words,

560
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.400
don't let somebody else point out your
problem. You know, your deficiency or

561
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.559
shortcoming. Hang a lantern on it. And this was not a Wyatt family

562
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.679
reference, but shine a light on
it and make sure everybody sees it before

563
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.039
someone else points it out. Is
that what ww's doing or does this have

564
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.519
to do more with bensick Man and
Triple H and the culture of WWE over

565
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.639
the years, feeling kind of insecure
having a guy as short as Daniel Bryan

566
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.320
be their quote top guy. I
just think they're pointing out the obvious.

567
00:41:52.679 --> 00:42:00.320
Yeah, you know, I mean, that's I think I think to be

568
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.480
foolish to think that people don't look
at those two guys standing across from each

569
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:15.559
other and uh and not think about
the size difference that being said, Like,

570
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.400
I mean, that's like, okay, what you were saying about Robert

571
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.320
Kennedy, Uh, you know,
saying, you know, shine a lantern

572
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.079
on your problems. I I like
to live by that. By that,

573
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.679
you know, by that, I
I think it's a good I think it's

574
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:37.079
I think it's a good thing.
But is calling him a little troll?

575
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.239
Who who needs to start? Who
needs to learn to lift weights? Daniel

576
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.840
Brian walks down the street, any
average street. He's the most muscular guy

577
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.400
walking down the street, including when
he's walking past most gyms and most health

578
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.800
loves this guy. You know,
he's a he's a weightlifter by any other

579
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.320
standard. Sure. And so when
you do that and call him a troll

580
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.639
and all these things, I think
collectively, there's there's such a thing of

581
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.440
shining lantern on your problems, and
then there's a you know, and then

582
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.519
they're just holding a microscope up to
it and shining a spotlight on it and

583
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.440
announcing it constantly. It did seem
weird to me, like it almost was

584
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.079
apologizing that the best guy they've got
is so small. But then again,

585
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.840
it turns out they're all heels,
and maybe that helps rally that. Yeah,

586
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.320
yeah, I look, I look
at it completely different. I think

587
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.199
that's that's where, that's how,
that's where you have to go now in

588
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:30.519
this day and age to be an
effective heel. You know, I mean,

589
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.320
the old stuff, the old fagg
of tricks doesn't work anymo anymore,

590
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.639
you know. And and look look
it pissed me off. And I'm you

591
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:44.960
know, I'm in the industry.
Yeah, So I think I think it

592
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.719
worked now and I think I think
it does work. I mean I was,

593
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.679
I was that you know a lot
of the stuff that that that Paul

594
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.480
said, you know in that last
segment, it got under my skin,

595
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.440
it really did. You know.
I want to I want to challenge challenge

596
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.559
you a little bit on the the
you're saying. It's just obviously have to

597
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.519
point it out. You know,
Daniel Bryan standing opposite of of John Cena.

598
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.920
Is there a bigger size difference between
Brian and Sina or cum Punk and

599
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:24.239
brock Lesner overall, or is it
relatively comparable. I think there's a bigger

600
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:32.280
size difference between between Brian and and
Seen. I probably yeah, it's and

601
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:38.519
I and I and I kind of
agree because because Punk is is thin by

602
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.039
almost all wrestling standards, thinner than
Daniel Bryan. But he's tall, but

603
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.320
Brock is a beast. I mean, yeah, that's in her nickname.

604
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.719
But nobody ever talks about CM punk
having thin arms and he needs to hit

605
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.960
the gym. You don't have Trip
Blache take and swipes at him like he

606
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.920
did. Chris Masters of Suits doesn't
fit you anymore. It's fallen off you.

607
00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.039
Like Punk seems immune from that,
and I think it helps Punk to

608
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.360
not every week at people pointing out
that this guy is so rail thin relative

609
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.320
to every other top guy who's come
along and held a world title. Right,

610
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:15.199
yeah, And I mean look,
I mean we've already been down that

611
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:16.559
really with him. I mean,
you don't need to keep doing it.

612
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:25.440
He I you know, I mean
he's got he's one of the top three

613
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:35.800
merchandise sellers. Yeah, which that
that right there, that to to management,

614
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.320
that that is is is is huge. Yeah. Yeah, you're talking

615
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:45.239
about punk punk. Yeah, that's
what I thought and though too, you

616
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.920
know, and and and I thought
that, you know, the the the

617
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:57.639
promo that Brock Luster cut on on
Daniel, the teleprom t promo, which

618
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:04.679
I thought was great. But yeah, I'm I'm uh, I'm pretty sure

619
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:13.639
that Paul Hayman had a lot had
a lot of input in Matt. Yeah.

620
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.960
And and that's a great thing that
Paul Hayman makes Brock, Welshner and

621
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.119
w Wade. I mean you've seen
his career from the beginning too, or

622
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:30.880
you know, he is absolutely unbelievably
good right now. Yeah, yeah,

623
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.480
totally. And you know what,
I'm happy to say that, like you

624
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.360
know, him and I we weren't
we weren't always you know, on the

625
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.760
same side of the tracks, if
you know what I mean. Uh and

626
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.760
uh uh I'm happy to say we
have a good relationship relationship now and uh,

627
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.119
I have a lot of good,
good talks with Paul. And he's

628
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.360
he's uh, he's he's a change
guy too, man. I mean he's

629
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.159
a father now and stuff. But
back to the back to there's just like

630
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:07.559
you know, Punk doesn't need a
mouthpiece, right and and so like I

631
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.599
thought it was I thought it was
it was great that that they brought Paul

632
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:20.360
in to be to be uh Brock's
mouthpiece because at first when Brock got in

633
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.599
got in there and they were doing
that contract signing and and they gave Brock

634
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.000
to Mike, I was like I
was texted, I was on on my

635
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:34.199
phone text and uh, texting my
buddy, I'm like, don't ever give

636
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:39.400
him a live mike again like that, you know, I mean, because

637
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.760
really that could have killed it.
Yes, you know, it really could

638
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.360
have. But it was just rambling
and all that. But like with with

639
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:59.119
Paul Hayman, brock Lessner's awesome commodity
happened ww right now with Paul Hayman.

640
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.360
Yeah, so I know, I
I know I veered off the subject here,

641
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.039
but we were talking about, you
know, the size difference. Yeah,

642
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.079
you know between You're a good person
to ask because I mean you were

643
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.920
you were you were head good height, but you were thinner obviously the most

644
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.159
wrestlers too, and and you you
know, you faced it to a certain

645
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.760
extent. And yeah, so I
wanted your perspective. It is more than

646
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.079
most people you can see, And
I'll take height. I'll take height over

647
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:29.480
over size, like any day of
the week. Yeah, any day of

648
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.320
the week. Yeah, I can
always I can always pack on you know,

649
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.519
so uh the pounds of muscle,
you you know, unless you put

650
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.159
the Herman monsters on, you mean, the Chris Jerichos. Yeah, unless

651
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.719
you do that, you're not gonna
get any taller. Yeah, yeah,

652
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.679
I I I shouldn't take on Chris
like that. It's but I mean,

653
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.440
he's must It's true though, I
mean, it's true, and he's over.

654
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.519
I mean he wrestles on his tiptoes. He wrestled his entire w w

655
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.880
E career on his tiptoes. That's
why he gets so much. He at

656
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.239
first was because people didn't realize that. Yeah, you know, and and

657
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.360
he was. He was kind of
a little bit clumsy. Yep, I

658
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.599
need potato, guys, and he
hurt him. Yeah, you know,

659
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.880
but yeah, I said something.
I mean, it's, you know,

660
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.559
just pulling the curtain back a little
bit. But you know, Steve Boston

661
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.920
and Rick Flair and Steve Boston's podcast
are talking about blazing and where you hide

662
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.719
a razor blade. So I guess
everything's open now. If you got those

663
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.800
two guys talking openly about that.
Sure, yeah you know, but but

664
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:31.760
yeah, I mean it's it's like, you know, Jericho did what he

665
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.440
had to do to make up that
difference. But you're right, a tether

666
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.000
a pack on some weight. So
but the thing is is, you know,

667
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.400
w wat you know Vince in Triple
HS Takekead for size fiends, But

668
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.360
when you look at Eddie Guerrero,
Chris Benwa, Daniel Brien and in different

669
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.159
ways seem punk. I mean there
are, and there's a lot of exceptions

670
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.519
to the first place they look,
which is the Batistas and the Rybacks,

671
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:57.639
and Rybak right now is essentially a
mid carter and Daniel Brownson made an enter

672
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.599
and you know that that shows something
else that's going into evaluating who gets the

673
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.639
main events than just being massive.
Yeah, I invite you to email the

674
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.239
show with feedback or questions or comments. That email address is Wade Keller Podcast

675
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.639
at pewtorch dot com. That's Wade
Keller Podcast at pwtorch dot com. Also

676
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:21.519
welcome your feedback on Twitter. You
can follow us on Twitter at pw torch

677
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.519
and follow me at the Wade Keller. That's at PW Torch and at the

678
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:35.000
Wade Keller. I'm actually I'm actually
kind of a fan of right Back.

679
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.880
I mean, I mean, he
has his uh, there's obviously there's you

680
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:45.639
know, he has his his faults, No, no, no doubt about

681
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.719
it. But I'll be honest with
you, and I like Chris Jericho,

682
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:57.519
like I'm a huge fan and everything, but I think you sambag right Back

683
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.800
at money in the bank. Really, yeah, and why would he do

684
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:01.840
that? What? What? Whe
w? Why? I think he's stick

685
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:08.239
of doing jobs if I do guess, yeah, yeah, and and is

686
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:13.039
that something? I mean, come
on, right back, schoolboy, come

687
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.000
on, yeah, yeah, you
know, and then he shoots him across.

688
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:21.000
He shoots him from corner to corner
and just like just doesn't even take

689
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.840
a step out, shoot dry back
to the other corner and right backs got

690
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.719
a fucking tiptoe across the across the
ring to the other. I mean,

691
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.840
but that's something that's that's something Jericho
has done his whole career though, too.

692
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.800
I mean, yeah, come on, that's that's Those are a little

693
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:42.199
those are little tricks that that green
guys don't realize are being pulled brown him.

694
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.760
Yeah, yeah, no, I
it's a good observation. I certainly

695
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.119
wouldn't I certainly wouldn't disagree with that. And I think that actually crossed my

696
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.400
mind a little bit watching that too. But I thought, Jerry, I

697
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:53.480
mean, Jericho says all the right
things publicly. You know, he's there

698
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.400
to put guys over and he's honored
to do it. And he helped make

699
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.280
Fon Dongo and he helped make right
back. But if he doesn't really believe

700
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.599
that, that's one way of I
guess, making himself feel better. Well,

701
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.519
I think and I think he just
figured, well, like I put

702
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.039
all these guys over, how about
the bone in? You know, at

703
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.519
least in between guys you want me
to put over? Do you think management

704
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.960
notices that kind of thing? Or
do you think you all right? Guarantee

705
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.199
you hunter? I'm noticed too?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right?

706
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.280
Cool? Does he does? I
mean? Look at the match yeah

707
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:29.280
with RVD the next night, I
don't even I don't even remember. It

708
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.440
had hell of a match, but
right in the middle one to drink?

709
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.400
Oh gotcha? Yep, yep,
makes sense. All right, Let's let's

710
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.719
jump to another phone call here.
Let's go to four oh one. Next,

711
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.639
four h one. Thanks for holding, we stay your name and where

712
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.320
you're from? Eric Island? Hey? Eric, thanks for calling. What

713
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.239
have you got for Sean? Oh? First of all, holy crap,

714
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.000
I can't believe him. On Welcome
to show, Welcome, thank you,

715
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.760
hey we got thank you for having
me on the call on and congratulations and

716
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:07.840
get w e comments from Triple this
week? Yeah, but uh it lads

717
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:13.440
to have Triple name drop you I'll
take it. I'll take great line dot

718
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.800
com set you know, put put
my you know, clarification in there and

719
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.440
a link to my longer explanation.
I was totally fine with it. I

720
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.440
mean, you know, we haven't
gotten into it yet on the show,

721
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.320
but I was on with James Caldwell
yesterday and went over it. You know,

722
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:27.800
it was just just triple h doing
remembering a story you know, wrong

723
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.079
enough to make me look bad,
but you know, it was twenty years

724
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.239
ago. I don't think he had
malice in mind, althoughways trying to make

725
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.840
me look bad, but you know, yeahlicious person, Yeah, yeah,

726
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:44.719
it is awesome, Sean. By
the way, I think it would be

727
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:55.039
the stable of the wach community.
That's awesome. You know much for you've

728
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.639
done great. You've been awesome listening
to UH, including a I jacking that

729
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.400
Scott Hall's interviews a couple of months
back. It was so great to UH.

730
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.679
It was a great interview to start, but you completely added to it.

731
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:17.239
It's very fun to listen to.
By the way, I had a

732
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.559
good time listening to it, and
I positive to take too long. But

733
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:28.039
since you guys brought that Daniel Brien's
knee snatched at the face for finish was

734
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:32.079
incredible, Like the knee it is
such hard hitting, effective and a basic

735
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:37.599
move we're talking about. No,
yeah, we just like've seen U set

736
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:42.800
up boom need in the face one. I couldn't believe it, you know,

737
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.920
and I thought that was a great
like surprise finish like it was just

738
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.079
amazing to be honest with you,
and uh, I agree with you,

739
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.000
Sewan see him punk is not a
beauge chase. Uh. He doesn't look

740
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.360
like a skinny wolverine, but he's
acting on a big, big face.

741
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.559
But my question is sewn to you, it's actually not redd maybe personal,

742
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:06.000
but I heard an interview with Lead
before that you had Chris smoking, and

743
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.480
I was curious to see, oh
cigarette, Oh yeah, yeah, okay,

744
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.239
reason no, that's often books.
But as far as like a cigarette's

745
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.480
go, I just want to know
how it went and if you still don't

746
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.840
smoke, and if what program is
any uh that you did it, or

747
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.079
if you just had a mental attitude
to say just no and not by cigarettes.

748
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.760
It's fine because I really was like, uh, I mean you were

749
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.679
coming up today and I was waiting
to, like, you know, ask

750
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.079
you like a besting reading question.
But I bought a pack of cigarette's like

751
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.679
an idiot. But I thought,
you know, back you mentioned that you

752
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.360
Chris smoking. I just want to
find out how it went. Well.

753
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.280
It was just one of those things. Man, Here's it's like you you're

754
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.239
just not You're not gonna quit anything
until you want to. I mean,

755
00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:00.320
that's all that's all I was to
it. And I just got sick it.

756
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:06.119
Man. I got sick of just
smoking one cigarette after another. I

757
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.760
got sick of stinking the high heaven, you know. I got sick of

758
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:17.079
women being turned off by me smelling
like cigarettes. I got sick of spending

759
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:23.440
hundreds of dollars a week on smoking
freaking cigarettes. I mean, and and

760
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:30.280
I just one day just quit buying
them. And and I and uh,

761
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.320
you know, I just something else, something else got me distracted to where

762
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.199
where I didn't even think of it. Son, you wanted to sound better

763
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:46.559
on the live cast. That's really
your main motivating. That's why what's smoking

764
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:55.800
weed? Yeah? But there's a
but there's a really good book that uh

765
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.800
that Wade could tell you the name
of uh that that if you're really having

766
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.400
a hard time quitting smoking, a
Wade could tell you the name of the

767
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.199
book, and I've heard nothing but
good about it. Yeah you can.

768
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:12.199
You can look it up. It's
called The Easy Way by Alan Carr.

769
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.119
It's sold through Amazon. It's got
one of the highest ratings of any book

770
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.880
sold on Amazon. And the review
I don't have to say anything, just

771
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.159
read the reviews from people who read
the book. I read it because I

772
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.239
had some loved I haven't been a
cigarette smoker, but I have what I

773
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.559
had loved ones who were and wanted
to you know, I'd heard good things

774
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.719
about it, and I wanted to
read the book instead of just you know,

775
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.960
handing it to them blindly. I
read it and I didn't hop but

776
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.519
work or not. But I thought
it was really well done. It's it's

777
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:42.519
it's hard to describe why quote a
book would work. It's like shot said,

778
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.800
you have to be ready and no
one preaching you or showing you pictures

779
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.480
of lungs, you know, ugly, you know, lung that's not gonna

780
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.559
that's not gonna do it. That's
not that's the moment. Yeah, that's

781
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.880
not enough. And this book and
I don't want to give it away because

782
00:57:53.960 --> 00:58:00.360
I would do a bad job.
It's like you say, yeah, you

783
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.559
know, I'm really see that you
read a book that eat that's awesome.

784
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.480
Yeah, and I was. I
was blown away by it. And all

785
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.840
I can say, though, is
when people who were smokers, who who

786
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.840
wanted to quit but didn't know how, and they read that book, they

787
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:21.360
excitedly as the book instructed, decided
when they were gonna have their last cigarette,

788
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.280
and for most people, it wasn't
until they read the last page of

789
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.960
the book. Because that's what Alan
Carr recommends is keep smoking during every chapter

790
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.599
of this book. Don't quit until
you get to the last page, because

791
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.599
he sets you up for success.
And people they read that last page,

792
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:37.320
they went outside, they had their
last smoke, and boom. Almost everybody

793
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.119
who read that that I know,
and every it just was kind of My

794
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.039
friends recommended it to their friends and
I don't. I probably can name it

795
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.199
people who've quit smoking and not gone
back because of that book, which I

796
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:50.519
think is awesome. So I'm not
sitting here saying, because I'm a no

797
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.079
one wants to hear of someone who
never smoked tell them this is what you

798
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:58.000
need to do to quit, simply
relaying that I heard good things about it,

799
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.119
I read it, I passed it
on to people who family and friends

800
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.599
who smoked and it worked, and
that's all I'll say. And then read

801
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.880
the reviews on Amazon The Easy Way
by Alan Carr. I just I love

802
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.280
talking about it because I know I've
gotten emails from people because I mentioned it

803
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.000
on the show and they've emailed me
and said it worked for them and they're

804
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:20.559
grateful. So that's great. Yeah, it is a it is man.

805
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:25.400
I mean, smoking cigarettes is terrible, you know. I mean I can't

806
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:30.599
like Okay, let me just put
this guy tell you how bad I think

807
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:37.599
about cigarettes. I'm more embarrassed to
met uh that's a cigarette smoker than I

808
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:43.440
am to shooting up crystal meth in
my in my veins. So that's kind

809
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:52.800
to tell you how what I think. Uh. Well, Eric, if

810
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.679
if you get the book and you
read it, whether you like it or

811
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:58.920
don't like it, email me or
call us back let us know. Oh

812
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.440
absolutely, thank you, thank you
so much. I you know, I

813
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.440
hate for the asking like a non
wrestling question, but I remember Sean,

814
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.320
like you know, in a couple
of visis. I like talking about non

815
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.760
wrestling stuff because you get the same
stuff a lot over and over again when

816
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.960
you do interviews, not with Wade, but like your average you know,

817
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:21.519
show that that you do, which
I don't do really hardly any uh,

818
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.280
to be honest, like you know, I'll do Wade and and a couple

819
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.320
of others here and there, but
I just don't you know, I mean,

820
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.719
you know, you get to what's
your who what was your favorite match?

821
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:38.199
Who's your toughest opponent? You know
what I mean? But anyways,

822
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:44.360
Yeah, well you've got a lot
of matches other whatever. I'm sorry,

823
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.480
d I believe that it's hard.
Thank you so much for it. Don't

824
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.679
be so sorry. You're great.
You're great. I appreciate the call.

825
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.639
Good topics. Let me uh,
let me see who's been on the whole

826
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.920
the longest year and try to bring
them in. Nine one seven you're up

827
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.800
next. Nine seven. You're on
with Sean Waltman on the tw take Live

828
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.920
Tests. Please stake your name.
Nine one seven. That sounds familiar.

829
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:08.039
Yeah, Hello, this is Christian
New York. Hey man, what's going

830
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:15.199
on? How are you doing?
I'm doing fantastic, Chris. Thanks.

831
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.239
I have two questions. The first
one is about Hulk Hogan. Did you

832
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:23.760
see w legns deal in the future
or is he says it to sign it

833
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:34.559
because he doesn't want to give over
his wrestling name to VisiC Man. I

834
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:43.280
I foresee Hulk Hogan finishing his career
under the w W E umbrella and as

835
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:51.079
far as at some point eventually,
and as far as the issue about him

836
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.760
worrying about owning the name, No, no, I don't think that's an

837
01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:01.519
issue at all, Chris. Question
number two, the second one is about

838
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:07.559
TNA. Do you think that TNA
has hit a ceiling or do you ever

839
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:13.440
see them coming becoming a close competitor
of Insect Man, it's kind of hard

840
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:21.360
to touch the ceiling when you're in
the basement, man. I mean,

841
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.840
you know what though they're on they're
on Spike TV, which is a second

842
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:28.960
tier. Yeah, that was huh. They're drawn U you know, million

843
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.400
to two million people a week watching
their show, you know, somewhere in

844
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:37.599
between there. I mean, they're
and any other, uh like TV type

845
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.840
of show that would be considered a
success. Yeah. I mean, w

846
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.239
WB is so successful. I mean
they've been doing a twenty years ago they

847
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:45.639
did they popped a three point four
rating on RON. That was a big

848
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.199
rating early in Rod's history. Is
I think it was? It was the

849
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.559
I think it was a week before
you headline or wrestled Petty Biassi on the

850
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.320
show. We did a three two. Okay, So I think we did

851
01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:01.159
a three two because I talked about
it in the locker room and from that

852
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.559
point on for quite a while,
I was the three two kid. Oh

853
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.480
okay, it was our it was
our return match, me versus Razor for

854
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.960
the ten thousand dollars. Oh yeah, six weeks because I had to go

855
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:19.039
to New Japan to the Super Junior
Tournament. Oh okay, So I had

856
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.800
six weeks of promos I cut,
you know, turning them as offers down

857
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.760
anyways. Yeah, so so yeah, I'm saying about that is Row's been

858
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.719
doing from you know, early stages
of ROW twenty years ago, and they

859
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.760
had some peak runs, but you
know, three point o plus ratings most

860
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.360
of the time, sometimes a little
more ons lass. That is the kind

861
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.280
of the number that you judge as
to quote successful wrestling show on TV.

862
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:43.239
You know, one point over them
is better than average. The demographics aren't

863
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.000
great, but they know if they
want t NA, it's gonna be around

864
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:49.840
long past some of these reality shows
having expiration dates. So it's not horrible,

865
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:52.880
but I think what people do is
they look at all the mistakes that

866
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.719
are made and all the money that's
wasted, and yeah, and that that's

867
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:59.000
what frustrates. You've bought TNA and
yeah, no, I mean, and

868
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:04.079
I have some I my issues with
them are are how they treat uh uh,

869
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:11.639
certain people like like what you know, just people like they'll pay for

870
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.880
you know, And I know it's
it's not a Sari world made. You

871
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.280
know, it's not a perfect world. But you know, I think they

872
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:21.800
could have handled Jesse Swarrenson thing a
bit better. You know, if if

873
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:27.559
if it's true like that that his
mother went bankrupt over it, that's that's

874
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.400
that's the s I mean, I
mean, you know what I mean,

875
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:33.639
I come on, at least,
I mean, you don't have to get

876
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.599
the guy's job for the rest of
his life. Come on, that's that's

877
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:42.880
that's a little much. But I
mean at papers, papers, goddamn medical

878
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.960
bills. You know that you got
hurt working for you. Yeah, Dixie,

879
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.760
Dixie isn't a cold hearted promoter who
said, hey, we hire guys,

880
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.599
we tell them get medical insurance.
But they're grown men. It's their

881
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.360
job to pay the you know,
a couple hundred bucks a month as a

882
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.239
healthy twenty year old to get medical
insurance and and you know, they should

883
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.920
do that before, even before they
get into wrestling, because it'll just you

884
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.599
know, carry over, and they'll
have it and then none of this happens.

885
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:09.320
That's not Dixie's attitude. And if
a promoter had that attitude, you

886
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.840
could decide whether that was good or
bad, but at least it be consistent

887
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.320
not paying Jesse. I think the
issue that people have with Dixie is that

888
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:20.800
the claim that she said to the
you know, to Jesse in the hospitals,

889
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.039
pack carry you. You know,
we'll always make sure you are right,

890
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.320
combined with the fact that Dixie Carter
she said the same type of thing

891
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.920
to me about the hepatitis. That's
why I know it's true. Yep.

892
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:41.400
In twenty twelve, NXT transitioned into
the developmental system and ultimately the brand you

893
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:45.920
see today. On the Torch VIP
podcast NXT Eight years Back, we'll be

894
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.880
taking a weekly look at this page
in NXT's early history. Joey, Kelly

895
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:56.599
Wells and me Tom Stout from PWT
talks NXT every Saturday as we go eight

896
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:00.480
years back to the day to track
NXT's rising talents and why they did or

897
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:10.400
didn't work out exclusively for PW Torch
VIP members and what I was can d

898
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.679
to then what I was gonna add
also to that Sean is Dixie Carter is

899
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:19.519
not Joe Penicino. She's not She's
not somebody who isn't well off. You

900
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.760
know, Dixie Carter could go well, you know, pen Energy won't pay

901
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:29.199
for us. I'm gonna sell one
of my seventeen cars or go without you

902
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:31.280
know, made service for a day, and I'll pay for Jesse. It's

903
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.400
like, I think people have that
perception that she could do it, and

904
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:39.079
why the health can't pan the Energy
paid for it. They're a billion dollars

905
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:43.199
company. I know they're a very
rich company. Wouldn't it wouldn't even I

906
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.679
mean, it wouldn't make no difference
to them. It's a write off.

907
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:49.119
But even if Panda won't, I
think because Dixie said what she said,

908
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.480
people are like she could even write
a checkout and privately do it and make

909
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.320
it go away and do what's right, even if she disagrees with the corporate

910
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:00.239
decision. Right, and I'm not
those things she's obliged to do. But

911
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.639
if she's gonna cover Jesse and then
she does, and she's gonna take heat

912
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.360
for it, and people are going
to think less of that company. And

913
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.280
you're right, and and you know
what, I kind of I started to

914
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:13.480
feel bad recently, Like god,
I was really hard on Dicksie on Twitter

915
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:17.159
recently, and you know, and
and and I kind of was, but

916
01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:20.159
like, I mean, it just
gets so frustrating, you know, like

917
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.119
uh, watching people and it's not
even me, you know, it's like

918
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:30.639
seeing other people get treated like that, you know, And and uh,

919
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:35.039
you know the kid, the kid, Uh he's got a medical clearance to

920
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:40.599
works now, that's the thing.
Yeah, he's cleared medically to work,

921
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.000
So why not at least book him? For Christ's sakes? Ye, he's

922
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.159
got no more. I mean,
I mean they're they're using Curt. I

923
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.719
mean, mind you, Kurt's you
know, taking care of it. His

924
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.800
his deal right now. But uh, you know, I mean he's got

925
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.360
Kurt angle and and she's got you
know a lot of guys they're with that

926
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:04.960
kissues. Yeah you know, I
mean that you learned how to work better

927
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:10.719
when you when you have an injury
like that. Yeah, yeah, all

928
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:14.519
right, Chris appreciate the call.
Let's jump to uh seven seven, oh,

929
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.039
next, and then eight six two
after that our phone number six four

930
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:18.640
six seven two one ninety two eight. We're down to our final minutes of

931
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:24.199
taking phone calls. Were already Yeah, yeah, time flies by. We're

932
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.079
we're over and hour, we're over
an hour under the show. Well,

933
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.479
I mean, I'm you know,
I mean, do you want to go

934
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.720
longer? I'm I'm I'm down.
Well, we got a lot of emails,

935
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.640
but I'm not sure our switchboard is
gonna let us go more than eleven

936
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.319
more minutes. So okay, that's
that's the challenge. You're so, I'm

937
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.600
gonna prioritize calls if they come in. Had a couple of people drop off

938
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:44.720
because it just they couldn't hold on
any long. Sure, and I apologize

939
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.760
to all those people. Oh yeah, and it's it's mostly Chris's fault.

940
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:54.600
Let's band Christ from New York eating
all right? Uh seven seven uh eight

941
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.560
seven seven? Oh you're up?
Next? Stop? We state your name

942
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:00.119
and what part of Atlanta area you're
from? Sorry, yeah, Laric from

943
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.680
Atlanta? Right there, Emory,
what's up? What's going on? Man?

944
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:09.039
And then it's going good, you
know, always glad to hear you

945
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:14.079
Sean on the live cast. My
question I gets, oh, you're welcome.

946
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:18.000
My question kind of ties into the
deally with kind of weight and Triple

947
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:23.520
A in the Grand Land situation,
and I'm just kind of wondering. I

948
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.319
guess they brought into the spotlight a
little bit more sort of the dynamic between

949
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.399
wrestling journalists and you know, the
wrestlers being covered, you know, religions,

950
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.439
sort of those interpersonal relationships, and
yeah, I thought, wait,

951
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:40.159
I thought your rebuttal was was really
good. I mean, I know,

952
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.720
when I was reading it, I'm
kind of like, oh, well,

953
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.479
you know, DDP wasn't that great
in ninety four ninety five, and he

954
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.199
was kind of coming up, and
I thought, maybe there's a great at

955
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:53.640
truth to what Triple Ate was saying. And when I read your rebuttal and

956
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.600
You're like, well, you know, I've I've been critical of, you

957
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.560
know, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Sean Waltman, you know at

958
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.239
times where I'm like, yeah,
and you know, I've been vi IP

959
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.520
for about four years now, and
I've I've heard so much audio and I'm

960
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.720
just like, you know what,
He's totally right. I mean, now

961
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:14.840
that I think about it, I
can't remember you holding your tongue about you

962
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.079
know, different guys. So so, Sean, I guess my question to

963
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:24.520
you is, you know, how
does sort of that that interpersonal dynamic work

964
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:29.479
between you and you know a journalists
like Wade when it's you know, obviously

965
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:31.359
you guys are friendly, you know
you have that history, but at the

966
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.479
same time, Wade, you know, make criticize something that he's seen,

967
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:39.000
like you know, a promo or
how you've treated another wrestler or you know

968
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:45.399
what you've said you know online or
something like that. Uh is that is

969
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:53.399
that? Is that? The gist
of that question is that that, Yeah,

970
01:10:53.399 --> 01:11:00.079
okay, how do you handle all
that? It's it's funny, uh

971
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.680
I I And this is this is
a case by case thing because there's some

972
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:10.159
guys that are ultra sensitive, some
guys that can't look into mirror and see

973
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:17.159
what's really there. Uh. You
know a lot of things I've I've never

974
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:23.920
ever had a problem with it.
I can maybe even go one thing and

975
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.680
it was just something I told Wade, and and that I thought I'd told

976
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:35.880
him incompetent and maybe I didn't,
you know, I wasn't as clear as

977
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:39.920
I should have been. And uh, it might. I think it made

978
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.840
it, you know, made it
into the news letter or something. Uh,

979
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:53.079
but like like Waight Keller's probably uh
not probably as far as I'm concerned,

980
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.800
he has the most integrity of any
journalists and uh and back covers wrestling

981
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:02.319
and so uh he can't help but
take me the task for you know,

982
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:08.760
when I'm not in La showing my
ass, you know, running around with

983
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:15.640
China, making stupid sex tapes and
you know, doing uh ridiculous amounts of

984
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.199
drugs and act like an idiot?
Uh? How does he not? How

985
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:25.800
does he not take me the task
for that and keep this credibility? Uh?

986
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.600
You know he's never done He's never
written anything that hurt my feelings.

987
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:36.760
I might have gotten a little like
but hurt like uh uh with some of

988
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:42.800
the three and three quarters star ratings
instead of a four, it's like,

989
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.239
Jesus, do I get like do
I get do I get punished for being

990
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:50.840
your friend? Like? Do I
get a quarter star? Like taking off

991
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.359
of my deal just because I'm your
friend? What do I overcompensate? So?

992
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:00.920
But it's really so I just cobducted. Well, and that's that's that's

993
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.800
the thing, Larry, that that
was you know, rough about one Hunter

994
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.920
said is I know, if that's
all anybody hears about me, I mean,

995
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.000
I think there's twenty five years of
evidence saying the opposite. And you

996
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:15.800
know, first of all, he
was wrong. DDP didn't call me about

997
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.560
what I wrote. He called what
about what Bruce wrote? Because as people

998
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.159
know who've heard me and Bruce,
Bruce is a lot less of a fan

999
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.960
of what DDB contributed to W s
W than I was, and even early

1000
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.600
on I was. Maybe I was
just more privy to how hard DP was

1001
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.880
working and and how dedicated he was, and I kind of had a soft

1002
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.159
spot for the fact that he started
off as this manager in the AWA,

1003
01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.520
and I had seen his career and
I knew where he came from. But

1004
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.399
I was hearing good things about him
and and how hard he was working,

1005
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.399
and maybe Bruce was commenting and just
saying, you know what, that doesn't

1006
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.119
matter. What matters is what I
see on the air, not how much

1007
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.640
the guy's doing. And we just
had a different lens we saw him through.

1008
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.520
But you know, Bruce's job is
not for me to edit him and

1009
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:58.680
say be nice to everybody. I
let I let the call him this as

1010
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:03.359
long as they're being fair and not
malicious, right bluntly, and I did.

1011
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.640
And DDP. You know, he's
not the only wrestler who's called me

1012
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:10.600
over the ears and said, hey, this this is in your newsletter.

1013
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:12.920
Why do you let this guy write
this about me? But the idea that

1014
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.600
that Hunter portrayed in the article was
that I was ripping on DDP. And

1015
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.159
he quote he quoted me saying Dallas
Page is a waste of human skin.

1016
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:27.239
It's like, that's just not my
style. And then well he did,

1017
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:29.800
but it was a paraphrase that doesn't
sound like anything. I would say,

1018
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:31.000
no, no, it doesn't.
And then he said, well, after

1019
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.680
Dallas called him, then you know
he he completely changed and started writing in

1020
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:38.199
and I think about him, it's
like, well, sorry, Dallas Page

1021
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:43.479
one from Wrestling Renegade in the opener
to having four star matches give or take

1022
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:47.359
maybe three three quarter with Randy Savage
and really having standout matches and w s

1023
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:51.039
W desperately needed a baby face and
Dallas Page was one of the key guys

1024
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.920
who helped give them that opposing course
to the nWo. So if my if

1025
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:58.960
their star ratings and one I wrote
about Page one up, I wasn't alone,

1026
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:00.760
and Dallas didn't call everybody, you
know, it's not like you put

1027
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.079
in a called everybody. Everybody was
saying, wow, look at DDP and

1028
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.159
what he's doing. Now, this
has really come up. So I thought

1029
01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:09.760
it was just unfair to say,
well, if your opinion changes about somebody,

1030
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.159
it must be because of a phone
call. Because A, my opinion

1031
01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.520
didn't change. There was someone else's
who wrote that, and B everybody was

1032
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.560
you know, Eric Bishop included thought
Dallas Page you know, was deserving of

1033
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:23.000
a move up the car. Actually
it was actually Eric was the hardest on

1034
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:28.359
him, Like Eric because they were
friends, like like like uh, you

1035
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:33.720
know, Scott Kevin had to had
to like really really push Eric and the

1036
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:39.039
letting, you know, letting him
get to them, because that's what really

1037
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.800
did it for Dallas was when he
got to the Mwoh yeah, you know

1038
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.720
I should say as but the main
two were Kevin and Scott. Yeah,

1039
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:53.920
you guys might if to follow off
about Okay, yeah, I really and

1040
01:15:54.039 --> 01:16:00.439
I pause because I forget which WW
creative team member mentioned this, But I

1041
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.039
kind of was wondering both of your
perspectives, mostly Shawn again since he's a

1042
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:08.760
guest, but about, you know, Triple Asia's influence. I'm potentially holding

1043
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:12.439
the guys back. Now. I'm
not like a big conspiracy theorist about how

1044
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:15.279
that works, but I just remember
the example that stood out was the I

1045
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:20.000
think the two thousand six Royal rumble
when Raymond Siria went over after Eddie Guerrero's

1046
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:25.359
death, and that's been up to
the day of Triple As like, ah,

1047
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.840
you sure you want to have ready
to win? I can win,

1048
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.399
you know how, I'm right here, and so I'm kind of wondering what's

1049
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:35.880
the extent that was that? Was
that the story? Yeah? I mean,

1050
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:39.479
yeah, the story was that Way
was an underdog and had kind of,

1051
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.640
you know, the spirit of Eddie
you with I'm not like that,

1052
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.720
but you know what I mean.
But I mean, was that the story

1053
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.960
was that the rumor going around that
that thought that Paul was was the writer

1054
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:53.760
the writer the writer who said that
said he explained, I mean, he

1055
01:16:53.840 --> 01:17:00.520
said he explicitly saw Hunter. Yeah. So I'm getting your perspectives on how,

1056
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.520
I mean, do you think the
reputation is unjustified or do you think

1057
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:06.560
it's kind of somewhere in the middle, because Hunter basically said I never do

1058
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:13.119
that what are you talking about?
You know, I mean if the guy

1059
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.720
really believes that that was what's best
for the company. And uh, and

1060
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:25.960
you know he's not doing to you
know, burry the other guy like maybe

1061
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.680
he's wrong, but I wouldn't,
you know. It's hard for me.

1062
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:32.079
It's hard for me. I try
to be really objective and I answer questions

1063
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:36.840
like you know about about that.
It's hard too though, because I mean,

1064
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.680
I mean, not you know about
any of my friends. Well,

1065
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.760
and Sean, let me tell you
running and remember your thought and I'm sorry

1066
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.640
later. But is a fan of
Triple h. He believes in himself he

1067
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:55.560
would not be absolutely guy if he
did not have a massive ego. Ego

1068
01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:00.039
drives people to do the things that
it takes to be good at the E

1069
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:06.359
W E style entertainment, at wrestling. And so Triple did Triple Huh.

1070
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.720
Like you said at the beginning of
this interview, was he he got to

1071
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:13.720
have a little asshole in you.
You have to have You've got to be

1072
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.159
your number one proponents could coach.
When I interviewed Hogan ten eleven years ago

1073
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.560
for the Torch newsletter and did the
longest insider interview he's ever done, I

1074
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:25.920
think, and I challenged on some
of the stuff, and he didn't apologize

1075
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:29.079
for it. He goes, it's
a dogg eat dog world. I mean,

1076
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.880
I'm paraphrasing, but he said,
I'm not going to apologize for looking

1077
01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:34.319
out for me and doing what I
needed to keep myself on top and fight

1078
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.600
off threats and and you know,
so he'll deny the micro you know,

1079
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:41.720
Oh, I didn't sabotage Brent Hart
when he came to w W. I

1080
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.279
don't know anything about that. But
on a macro sense, Hogan admitted,

1081
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.520
yeah, that was this policy.
So if Hunter was doing that, it

1082
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:49.840
doesn't mean objectively somebody might not look
and go, you know what, I'm

1083
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.039
not Hunter's mom, and I'm not
Hunter's brother, and I'm not his best

1084
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:58.079
friend. I think Great should have
gotten that spot, but Hunter. But

1085
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.520
Hunter is a guy who for his
own push and advocated for it and he

1086
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:05.399
was effective at it. And if
he owned it and said, everyone else

1087
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.960
should have been doing the same thing, and ultimately it was insect man's decision.

1088
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:12.159
I don't think he has a lot
more to apologize for. No,

1089
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.760
I agree, I agree with with
you on that. I just like you

1090
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.680
know, I mean, if you're
not, and this is one of my

1091
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:25.720
favorite expressions. Actually it's funny,
So it's funny that you brought it up.

1092
01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.439
I always tell somebody like, I'll
take a guy on my team that

1093
01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:33.279
is a mark for himself any day
of the week. I'm like, if

1094
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.159
you're not a family of yourself,
why the fun Why the hell should anybody

1095
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:40.279
else be be family yours? You
know? Yeah, sorry, I almost

1096
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:44.560
dropped the f that's right, no
problem, all right, I'm gonna I'm

1097
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:46.800
gonna try in our remaining seconds here
to squeeze in one more call and then

1098
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.800
we'll go off the here. I
have so much good stuff. Yeah,

1099
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.000
sorry, I couldn't give you a
longer answer on that. It's just you

1100
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:58.800
know, for you know it on
time. I do want to let people

1101
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:00.560
know if you're not VIP and you
I want to go VIP because we're gonna

1102
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.159
get into a lot of good stuff
with Sean, including talking about SummerSlam and

1103
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.279
the Row the next day and all
kinds of good stuff. I mean,

1104
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:13.000
I've taken notes throughout. Go to
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1105
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1110
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All right, let me try to
squeeze in here our eight six two

1117
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.880
era code off plea stick your name
and where you're from? Kayland from Nework,

1118
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.039
New Jersey. Hey, Kylin.
We got about twenty seconds, so

1119
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.479
I gotta hold you to one question
because we were going off the air.

1120
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:30.039
Hey there, does Cassius oh No
really have a bad attitude as he's been

1121
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:40.159
labeled as heaven. No. I
just think he's very misunderstood. That's that's

1122
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:45.279
my that's my that's my. Uh. If there's any I didn't even know

1123
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:51.399
that that was like what was what
was being said. But no, he's

1124
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:57.760
just he's just misunderstood. He's a
very very very very humble guy. And

1125
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.760
uh and that he's you know,
he's excited, he wants it. He

1126
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:04.680
wants to go out there in that
great match. All right, maybe they

1127
01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:08.680
take that drong way. John Woman, Thank you so much for being my

1128
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:14.199
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1129
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1130
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1131
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:28.520
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1132
01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:32.119
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1133
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.079
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1134
01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:39.760
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1135
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:42.880
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1136
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.760
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1140
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:20.640
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01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:24.399
are now in the v IP have
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1142
01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:28.520
Sean, thanks for doing the black
cast. Yeah, it's fun. I

1143
01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:30.239
always like doing that. Yeah,
it's cool. I thought it was great

1144
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.960
when you're on sucks when the sucks
when you have time constraints. So like

1145
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:40.560
that last question while the guy was
actually was a little more than a question.

1146
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:48.279
He was kind of getting himself over
on on yours. Huh, we

1147
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.159
got some callers to do that.
That's cool though he was. I mean,

1148
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:56.640
he had good stuff to say.
Uh, but like I didn't have

1149
01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:59.680
time to give him a really good
answer because it was a good question.

1150
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.399
Go ahead and expand for VIP members, that's what they paid for. I

1151
01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:10.039
just you know, like in general, uh, it's just Hunter Hunter as

1152
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.880
a friend and traveling down the road
with him, you know, and business

1153
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:20.680
wise because they were really intertwined.
You know. Uh, he has that

1154
01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:25.880
more in him than I do,
you know, to where he's willing to

1155
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:30.199
maybe do more like like he was
he was in on the screw job thing,

1156
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:33.680
you know, uh, you know
that type of thing. I don't

1157
01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:38.119
know if I could have been in
on that, yeah, you know,

1158
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.199
And you know that's that's just he's
got and that's why he's more successful too.

1159
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:55.560
Yeah, you know, but I
just I don't I don't see Paul's

1160
01:24:55.920 --> 01:25:00.640
Paul's all. He's about what's best
for business. He really truly, yeah,

1161
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:04.800
and honestly, like he's one of
the few things that's really really good

1162
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:09.039
for I mean not one of the
few. There's a lot of things around

1163
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:14.840
there now that are good are gonna
be good for business, but you know,

1164
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.920
he's he's he's one of those guys
that you can pull out of the

1165
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:25.439
shelf for WrestleMania, you know,
and be one of the top matches.

1166
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:30.319
Speaking of just kind of philosophical changes, you've got. You've got Steve Austen

1167
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.399
on his podcasting agreeing Rick Flair,
and they're talking about, you know,

1168
01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:35.640
all kinds of insight stuff and it's
great. I mean you, you know,

1169
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.640
when you and Dustin Rhodes are on
for a few minutes and I just

1170
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:41.159
sat back earlier this year and listen
to you guys talk. It was,

1171
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:44.439
you know, flying the Wall too. It's funny because I didn't even think

1172
01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.199
anything of it. That was I
thought we were born people, right,

1173
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:53.319
But that feeling of oh wow,
two wrestlers talking to each other with their

1174
01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:57.600
guard down, they're comfortable. Most
fans don't experience that. They experience the

1175
01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.359
rest is maybe at a Q and
A talking to them, but it's the

1176
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:05.119
wrestler to fan style of converse thing, and it's different when two wrestlers who

1177
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:08.720
respect each other talk. And that's
what's cool about the Austen podcast. I

1178
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.439
don't know if you've heard many of
them, but he's great. Yeah,

1179
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.479
So my question is more specifically here, I'm gonna do one too, you

1180
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:17.680
know well, that was one of
the email questions people want to know when

1181
01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:24.880
you're gonna be on since Paul I
MSH have done it. Well, I'm

1182
01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.640
looking forward to that one. Oh
No, I like, I don't know

1183
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:29.640
when I'm gonna do. I don't
know if I'm gonna do one. A

1184
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.399
ski box, I'm gonna do my
own podcast. Oh okay, well we'll

1185
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:34.760
stay with the awesome thing then for
another thing. Well let me get my

1186
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:39.920
question off before we get Mark Henry
on the pay per view on Sunday.

1187
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:42.760
I don't think they showed it on
Raw. But Mark Henry was in some

1188
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.560
Dorito's contest where a fan one a
contest got picked out. He got to

1189
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:47.439
move up, you got to get
extra tickets or something if he allowed Mark

1190
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.600
Henry to splash him. And they
put the fan in the ring and Mark

1191
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:54.520
Henry splashes them and then Mark Henry
helps him up, and everybody's all smiles

1192
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.159
and all the corporate people are winking
and you know, high five and it's

1193
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.920
like, oh, this is a
great promotion. And they show it during

1194
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:04.520
the pay per view that this average
schmo takes the Mark Henry splash and then

1195
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:09.279
stands up and you know, a
little nervous but basically totally fine. It's

1196
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:13.520
like seeing the fucking excuse me,
sorry, yeah, It's like it's like

1197
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.840
seeing the boom mic on the top
of the screen right when you're watching a

1198
01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:20.520
movie. John, How does that
make the airways or is I you know,

1199
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:28.239
they are willing at times. I've
seen it in the task to to

1200
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:31.840
to be on the tip of one
of these big corporate sponsors, because you're

1201
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:40.119
talking about millions of dollars to do
something like that, you know, and

1202
01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:44.840
on on a on a lesser scale. Uh. You know, they had

1203
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.479
Captain Kirk with no big old red
whiskey knows and he was and he was

1204
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:55.079
hebriated, you know, throwing road
dog around the ring, you know.

1205
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.000
And in Houston, you know,
just to appease the star, they're like

1206
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:04.560
to appease the Sidy group and WCW. They'd bring the celebrity and make him

1207
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:09.680
do a job, you know,
the football player or whatever. And and

1208
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:14.640
I just don't want some schmuck from
Doritos marking out and that's offensive to me.

1209
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.960
Yeah, I was offended watching it. I mean, I just you

1210
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.800
know, and I you know,
but it's not if it's Henry Etta blade

1211
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:25.399
it in. I know, seriously, man, I would have laid them

1212
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.439
just enough to where that guy had
a hard time getting up, yep.

1213
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:33.359
And I'm not kidding. Or just
have it obviously be different, you know,

1214
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:38.399
have Henry do be really bad book
him, yeah, or do a

1215
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:41.319
press slam and hold a guy in
the air and then set him down gently

1216
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:43.600
and go, yeah, I don't
want to break this guy. You know

1217
01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:45.720
this guy, you know, like
there's a way to do it, and

1218
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.520
just get way to kill markoff in
that in that building. Yeah yeah,

1219
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:53.119
So anyway, I just want to
make sure I wasn't missing something. I

1220
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:58.439
love Mark Henry, Yeah, I
love that guy. He's great. He's

1221
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.119
great. So that's what made be
sad too. And it was like when

1222
01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:02.840
Mark Henry and del Rio were heels, I think it was late last year,

1223
01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:06.399
and they showed him at a charity
function smiling with kids and hugging them,

1224
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:10.159
and I'm like, no, if
you want them to do charity,

1225
01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:12.359
I would even disagree with that,
but go ahead and do it, because

1226
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:13.920
if you do it, don't you
do it, but don't show it on

1227
01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:15.880
TV. Don't show on TV.
And you know what, kids should be

1228
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:16.960
scared of them if you're doing your
job, and if they're not scared of

1229
01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.520
them, and if they're scared of
them, they shouldn't be at the charity

1230
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:23.439
apparances. I don't know. I
told them I wouldn't do then I wasn't

1231
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:26.239
gonna do. I made a big
stink. This is what a pain in

1232
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:28.359
the ass. I was all the
time, I was like a thorn.

1233
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.800
Right, Yeah, when nine to
eleven happened, I was like, if

1234
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:38.399
this is gonna be a media freaking
stunt just to get fucking pr I don't

1235
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.640
want any part of it, Like
I don't want a bunch of cameras and

1236
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:45.760
that going to the different fired stations
and yeah, you know, and they

1237
01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:49.840
didn't. I mean they still did
at ground zero though, Yeah, but

1238
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:55.680
like they didn't make a huge It
wasn't like totally exploit exploitive, you know.

1239
01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:00.800
Yeah, well, all right,
I had to get that option chest

1240
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:04.960
because I need I need, I
need your assurances that I'm not the only

1241
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:09.239
person who sees a problem with that. No, I bet you there was

1242
01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:13.279
a lot of people in that building
that we're not happy about that. Triple

1243
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:15.520
H has power now. And he
didn't like he didn't like tough enough at

1244
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:18.760
first because it showed too much,
it pulled the curtain away too much,

1245
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.479
And he said in the grant Land
interview, he's like, you know,

1246
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:28.079
I was a Chris uh some some
famous magician who offered to take him backstage,

1247
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:30.520
and yeah, an Angel, Yeah, Chris Angel. Yeah, I

1248
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.520
thought it was him. And he's
like, I don't want to know.

1249
01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:35.479
I just want to enjoy the show. And so, yeah, we don't

1250
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:41.279
have very we have very few things
that actually entertain us. Right, Yeah,

1251
01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:43.800
that's that's a good way to put
it. Because yeah, and so

1252
01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:47.640
why can't why why can't that apply? Why can't Triple H see that that

1253
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:51.520
should apply to me? And every
view were out there. We don't want

1254
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:55.279
to see somebody get up from the
mark Henry Splash, who's right, brilliant,

1255
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:58.000
Yeah, we don't want to see
the wires. Yeah, there's a

1256
01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:01.319
million ways to satisfy some schmuck from
Gritos. Then letting the first bad idea

1257
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:03.039
be the way. That was one
of the worst. That's one of the

1258
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.800
worst ideas I've ever heard of.
Yeah, yeah, all right, well,

1259
01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:11.520
let let's get some other stuff here. Got email questions marked. This

1260
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:15.640
is Julian who says where should aj
Styles go when his contract with TENA expires?

1261
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:18.039
And I'll add to that, Sean, two things, what do you

1262
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:24.199
think of aj Styles as a worker? And also did you read the Triple

1263
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:30.079
at Grantline interview? I didn't like
It's not embedded in my in my brain.

1264
01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:32.880
It's just that I wanted to be
familiar with what was said, yeah,

1265
01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:36.359
and so all he'd One thing he
said is he wants in a couple

1266
01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:41.479
of years everybody on WrestleMania to have
gone through developmental. He wants everybody to

1267
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.640
be a developmental guy. And and
the way I read that, plus other

1268
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:48.960
things I'm hearing, plus other things
independent wrestling. No, but there's it's

1269
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:51.920
nuanced. And I want to tell
you the nuance that I interpreted because I

1270
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:54.920
want to know if this sound's fair, and I think it does. I

1271
01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:58.800
still agree. I think what Trip
later saying is we're not going to take

1272
01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:02.159
somebody like Bobby Roots, Game Storm
aj Styles out of CNA and shoot them

1273
01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.279
out of our TV right away without
putting him through developmental and making sure they

1274
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:11.199
know how we do things here and
kind of setting a message to everybody,

1275
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:14.920
you gotta go through this turnstile and
spend some time here before we get the

1276
01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:17.800
main roster. That doesn't apply to
Rob Vandam, Rob Vandam or Christian or

1277
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.520
the Dudleys. No, they've already
been dead. Sorry, yeah, they've

1278
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:25.640
been They've been through the process.
They need to stop. But if you're

1279
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.840
Robert Rude, James, Storm,
j AJ Styles, even anybody like that,

1280
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:30.960
he's saying you're gonna go through developmental
first and we're gonna hubble you a

1281
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:33.920
little. We're gonna make sure they
know. And I don't have a problem

1282
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:39.199
with that either, not at all. But if I'm a TNA guy and

1283
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:42.479
that takes away a lot of it's
gonna be a big ego hurt, like

1284
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:45.000
spruce to the ego. Not only
that, Sean, but if you have

1285
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.119
to sign, if you're negotiating with
TNA, TNA now knows what you're negotiating

1286
01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:51.760
against. Is the twenty five thousand
dollars downside contract. Yeah, at least

1287
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.880
for a year or two, you
know, at least first spaces or something.

1288
01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:57.279
And that hurts the guy's negotiating a
leverage, but you know, it

1289
01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:00.439
is what it is. I mean, but does that to me? I

1290
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:02.520
don't see a huge problem with Triple
H saying that, but I am it

1291
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.279
does hurt ages Styles, Robert Rue, James Storman, you know a number

1292
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:10.159
of other guys who are TNA,
you know original well from a business standpoint,

1293
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:16.000
then I think that it worked perfectly. Yeah, I mean, let's

1294
01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:20.880
be honest with you, Like he's
he's like being groomed and basically running a

1295
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:28.840
publicly traded company. Yep, you
know, I just I mean, he

1296
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:32.520
has to answer to stockholders. I
don't want to be that guy that's like

1297
01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:38.920
just given the toe and you know, given the BS talking points, right,

1298
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:43.319
you know, I don't want it
to be that at all, but

1299
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:47.760
it really is. You if you've
never been to w w E, I'm

1300
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:54.680
sorry you need to. Why do
you think Chris Jericho had such a hard

1301
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:58.920
time when he first came. He's
taught read his book. Yeah, I

1302
01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:00.600
know, I had to teach.
I had to tell tease him out to

1303
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.640
do you know w w E's playing
event style, Yeah, you know,

1304
01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:11.680
and he he was a lot of
people who thought Jericho was just all you

1305
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:14.640
know, had learned everything he needed
to learn before two three or two thousand.

1306
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.439
None of that was timmy thing.
Actually yeah, yeah, they did.

1307
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:23.640
It's but Jericho, you know,
over time admitted he had a lot

1308
01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:26.960
to learn, and what worked elsewhere
or what was good else rose in there.

1309
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.560
But there does seem Yeah, so
anyway, that's that's fair enough.

1310
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:32.479
I just wanted to because I don't
know, I don't think trip La should

1311
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:34.520
take heap for that. That's the
thing that bugging me about Triple H has

1312
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:39.319
taken that you know, inaccurate,
and I thought kind of unfair dig such

1313
01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:43.239
as it was is I'm reading this
nodding along. I agree, there's like

1314
01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:45.520
five ten percent. I vehemently disagree
with him on but I might be wrong,

1315
01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:49.159
you know what, But I my
my position is no, don't do

1316
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:51.760
that. But maybe there's an whole
you know, more details the story and

1317
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:54.960
it's not his fault. And he
doesn't think that. But when I read

1318
01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:57.800
that interview with him, I'm like, wrestling has been pretty good hands,

1319
01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:00.000
you know what I mean. He's
a yeah, sure, I think he's

1320
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:04.600
got He's one of the smartest guys
that you would want in charge. And

1321
01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:09.920
I think he's all so flexible enough
that when necessary to change a little bit,

1322
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.800
if he needs to that, you
know, he will change his mind

1323
01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:15.199
on some things if it seems like
that's what has to happen. There was

1324
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:20.119
something I had a major issue,
well what I thought was a major issue.

1325
01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:30.279
I get. I texted him and
it was a big marathon text like

1326
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.960
and I'm sure he gets you know, I know how many texts I get

1327
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:38.960
for Christ's sakes, you know,
So I mean, you know, he's

1328
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:42.479
got a million things to worry about
and uh, you know, I get

1329
01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.960
a call like from the Legends guy, and uh you know he said,

1330
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:50.159
I got and he's got Summer Slam
going on and everything. He's like,

1331
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:55.479
I got three different text messages from
Hunter to take care of this, and

1332
01:35:56.079 --> 01:36:00.039
you know what I mean. Yeah, So, I mean he's he's really

1333
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.359
got a lot on his plate,
man, Yeah, a lot. And

1334
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:09.520
he's really the only guy that can
do it. He's the only guy there

1335
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:15.800
is. I feel like I feel
I'm hearing the PW Torch livecast theme song

1336
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.119
in the background. I don't know
why. How are you hearing some You're

1337
01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:21.479
hearing some limb charms? Oh okay, well that's some people would say that

1338
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:27.840
would be an improvement. Not me. I'll say it because somebody else is

1339
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:34.199
thinking it. But do you remember
when Hulk Hogan shocked the world and formed

1340
01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:38.800
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1341
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:43.399
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1342
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:47.479
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1345
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01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:28.880
and sign up for all. Right, what's uh, let me go another

1350
01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:32.319
email. Well, let me make
sure we answer that adequately. Oh but

1351
01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:35.199
aj what Yeah, what do you
think we do? Yeah, let's get

1352
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:44.079
back them. Well, I would
if if you can get into the into

1353
01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:47.960
the development, if that's what Honter
want, if that's if that's that's the

1354
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:53.920
policy, then I think he should
go there because honestly, you that the

1355
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:59.159
contract is is just a piece of
paper. Yeah, they can fire you

1356
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:09.279
anytime they want, you know.
So he's he's great enough to go in

1357
01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:15.399
there and uh and get everything on
his merits you know, coming in the

1358
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:20.199
door. Once he gets established and
becomes you know, becomes successful there and

1359
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:29.039
gets emotional equity with the with the
w w E universe. I's saying that

1360
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.520
at all, he's universe thing you
know with the fans. Uh. Actually,

1361
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.960
the universe thing kind of has grown
on me a bit, a little

1362
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:40.479
bit. I mean I get it
still, I get it. If it

1363
01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:45.520
wasn't part of the kind of I
think it's just forced too much. It's

1364
01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.720
the George Orwellian language control aspect of
it that is a little bit of a

1365
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:53.840
turn off. It feels a more
corporate than wrestling. Yeah, we all

1366
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.840
kind of want wrestling to be,
but it is the new reality. Yeah,

1367
01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:01.159
yeah, yeah. What do you
think of Aha as a Worker's he

1368
01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:04.680
guy having been through Jericho's went through
and you've seen enough of his work in

1369
01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:09.680
CNA obviously and worked with him.
Where where is he as an overall worker?

1370
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:13.039
Is he somebody at his age mid
thirties now, who who you think

1371
01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.119
would be able to step into w
w E with very little turnaround time and

1372
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:24.479
be sure valuable? Guys? Sure? I just as far like his like

1373
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:32.079
his talent and his ability, and
is uh his wrestling acumen? I I

1374
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:40.359
pro wrestling actman. I think uh, I think uh he can adjust and

1375
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:45.720
he will He'll comprehend, you know, uh, just Finn, you know,

1376
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:49.800
he'll excel. Yeah. I just
think that his look stands in the

1377
01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:56.479
way. It's because it's hard,
like you know, him walking down down

1378
01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:59.640
the street. It's it's you know, you don't you're not seeing A.

1379
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:08.600
He doesn't project like outside the ring. He doesn't project the star, right,

1380
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:11.720
I think superstar saying yeah, No, I thought he's been an issue

1381
01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:14.520
with him. That's why you know
he's wearing the ball cap. And you

1382
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:16.920
know, I always thought AJ's best
gimmick was, you know, but best

1383
01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.920
gimmick would be to be the kind
of the everyman, you know, like

1384
01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:29.039
the Petty Haskell yeah, or doesn't. I thought I was always thinking the

1385
01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:33.720
character or in a in a superhero
movie, who before he puts on the

1386
01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:38.560
superhero outfit, he's the average everyday
guy. And and to me, AJ

1387
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.439
becomes a superhero when he steps through
the ropes. But he is and he's

1388
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:45.720
your neighbor, you know, before
then and something happened Peter Parker, That's

1389
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:47.880
exactly it. Yeah, Evin,
I always thought that was you know,

1390
01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:51.039
they bounced AJ around a t anda
with so many awful gimmicks, and to

1391
01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.000
me that that made to me like
he shouldn't be a He shouldn't be a

1392
01:40:56.039 --> 01:41:00.479
gimmick. He's AJ styles Yeah,
yeah, Well we'll see where he goes.

1393
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:02.520
It's tough. You know, if
T and A's not paying, if

1394
01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:06.119
they're cut splashing there. Oh and
if they know that, they're gonna really

1395
01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:11.960
really stick it to the boys exactly. But you know what if that's what

1396
01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:15.399
it pays, you know what if
they're not really if they're not if they're

1397
01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:21.239
not uh, if they're not drawing
numbers, if they're not uh, you

1398
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:26.880
know, making revenue, you know, earning revenue for the company, and

1399
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:31.760
then really like you should like you
should be paid on on on what you're

1400
01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:39.239
you know, what you draw,
you know, I mean, like Jerry

1401
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:43.239
Jarrett used to say this, He's
like, guys are complaining about fifty dollars

1402
01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:46.239
payoffs, but look at the grad
look at the house, like, you

1403
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:49.119
know, nobody's drawn anything, but
they want to be paid. Like you

1404
01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:54.119
know, No, you took the
words out of my mouth, Sean when

1405
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:56.800
you really interrupted me, because that's
where I was going. Did I really

1406
01:41:56.880 --> 01:42:00.159
only interrupt you? No, Actually
wouldn't be a verse time. You know

1407
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:02.800
you were. You were quite polite
and interrupting me. But I've politely and

1408
01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:08.239
rudely interrupted you on the show too, So I'm just I don't keep scoring.

1409
01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:11.039
I got my little hashtakes here.
I'll let you know how it is.

1410
01:42:11.079 --> 01:42:15.920
All right, let me do another
question here. Oh, this is

1411
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:19.199
a comment from someone John from Greensboro. I'm a VIP member and I don't

1412
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:23.199
have a question for Sean Walman.
I just wanted you to tell him how

1413
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.560
much I appreciate his thoughtfulness in his
candor when he appears on your show.

1414
01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:30.119
His interviews are always interesting, informative
and insightful. My triple word construction copyright

1415
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.399
Paul Hayman. You know, Paul
always does that, sure three words in

1416
01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:36.159
a row to start with the same
stuff. But he's interesting, informative,

1417
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:41.359
and insightful. So a nice later
that's really cool, Like you know what

1418
01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:45.239
though, that kind of stuff that
means a ton to me, you know,

1419
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:55.479
I mean, honestly, you know, there's your there's your stereotypical wrestling

1420
01:42:55.640 --> 01:43:00.399
van that can be annoying or or
I don't know if that's your word do

1421
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:02.039
you use? Yeah, but you
know what I mean. Yeah, I

1422
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:10.039
hope you do. Uh. And
and then you have you know, I'm

1423
01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:15.039
great, probably a majority of the
people that are really really cool like that,

1424
01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:18.760
yeah, yeah, you know,
and and you have a lot of

1425
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:25.600
smart you have a lot of smart
callers. Yeah, we do. We

1426
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:30.039
do a good job at educating our
callers. We we uh we are our

1427
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:32.520
emailers, our readers. We make
sure that uh that that we kind of

1428
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.159
brainwash them into being very smart torque
round. Well, they're they're they are

1429
01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:40.800
taking it. Like when they when
they you know, when they ask me

1430
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:45.000
a question, it blows me away. Sometimes. Yeah, the uh,

1431
01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:46.560
well that's cool. I'm just so
used to being so awesome. I don't

1432
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.920
even notice anymore. And you know, so thank you to that guy.

1433
01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:54.520
Yeah, it means a ton,
It means a lot to me. Yeah.

1434
01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:58.880
No, that that's very cool.
All right, let's uh go to

1435
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:00.920
this question I alluded to this.
This is VIP member Tommy Steve from Detroit,

1436
01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.359
big fan of the Kid, and
I was wondering, since you are

1437
01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:08.560
friends with Sean Kevin Scott and they've
all done Stone Cold podcast, when are

1438
01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.199
we going to hear from you on
his show? And he pants off talking

1439
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:15.720
Triple H into doing Steve Boston show
or this show. Hope to hope to

1440
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:16.920
see continue success. We'll love to
see the click return at the Hall of

1441
01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:18.960
Fame. But I'll try to wait, but try to wait for us.

1442
01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:21.359
Maybe thirty two because Detroit's on the
short I want to see it there.

1443
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.720
I don't know about Detroit getting man. Yeah, you know what's else there's

1444
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:30.560
a story you know that could be
something that could help that down out though,

1445
01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:32.880
you know, and it should.
It should be thirty three, so

1446
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:38.039
it would be the twentieth the thirtieth
anniversary of WrestleMania three, and it should

1447
01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:42.880
be a big deal about look at
what Yeah, and then you say,

1448
01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:45.760
look what we did for this community. We've been to New York, then

1449
01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:47.920
we went to New Orleans and helped
you know, we're an injection into that

1450
01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:53.079
that economy after a Hurricane Katrina.
But imagine all the cool pieces they could

1451
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.600
do about about Detroit and be,
you know, go on the streets,

1452
01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:59.600
go to go to some of the
tougher areas and the schools with the wrestlers.

1453
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:01.199
I mean it to be a real
feel good year. Yeah, but

1454
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:03.680
why wait? Why wait two years? Three years? Though? Also just

1455
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:08.520
for the anniversary do it asap?
They could use it, Yeah, I

1456
01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:11.680
mean they don't. You know,
it's that's you know, it's not w

1457
01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:18.560
w e's uh responsibility to help dig
Detroit out of the But I'm just saying

1458
01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:23.039
if it's a good idea now and
it makes sense either this year or next

1459
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.079
year or the year after. I'm
just saying that town, could you know,

1460
01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:28.560
use it sooner than later. But
you're right, they got to do

1461
01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.960
its best for their themselves. And
obviously the chocolate I think so you know

1462
01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:38.199
tells Telly's a good good, a
good you know, a good city for

1463
01:45:39.319 --> 01:45:43.279
that. They got the hell of
a stadium there, Yep. They haven't

1464
01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:47.520
had WrestleMania there since I were at
wrestled Chaney on what would I guess what

1465
01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:51.640
went down? Is not one of
the better WrestleManias, right yeah, but

1466
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:57.319
all right, our Matt is pretty
damn good. Yea. So all right,

1467
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:00.159
you can elaborate on this if you
want. It covers a topic.

1468
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.159
Oh I never answered the stone cold
thing. Oh you're right, I'm just

1469
01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:09.600
jumping all overs. Go ahead.
Yeah. Uh you know I'm not one

1470
01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:12.520
to call somebody and go hey,
can I be on your podcast? You

1471
01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:15.920
know what I mean? Right?
Yeah? You know when he asked me,

1472
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.520
I'll be, I'll do it.
Yes, yes, you know I

1473
01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:23.760
would love to. I'm a he
He's always been really good to me.

1474
01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:31.399
Uh. We we've always gotten along
really well. Uh we we uh we

1475
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:35.960
had good chemistry in the ring is
you know, didn't get to lock up

1476
01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:41.399
with them too much, but what
a machine, you know, and and

1477
01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:47.960
just uh a great conversationalist. Is
there anybody who is a bigger star who's

1478
01:46:48.039 --> 01:46:53.800
as big of a fan of pro
wrestling after his wrestling years than Steve Austin

1479
01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:56.960
was? I mean, you know, Kevin Nashville loves wrestling, Scott Hall

1480
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.000
still. But like there's it's it's
weird. You get to see the people

1481
01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:05.640
who succeed in wrestling during their peak
years, more often than not, are

1482
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:09.840
bigger fans of wrestling when they wrestling
days are over than the guys who didn't

1483
01:47:09.880 --> 01:47:13.840
make it. And I think that
says something. Yeah, you know Brett's

1484
01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.840
like that, he's a big fan
of today's crop, Bret Hart. Yeah,

1485
01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:21.159
yeah, yeah, And I and
I heard him say that on Steve's

1486
01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:27.720
Fuck Steve's Show. I just think
if you are a fan of wrestling before

1487
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.399
you get into wrestling, if you're
still a fan of wrestling when you're in

1488
01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:32.560
it, you're more likely to succeed, and you're also more likely than to

1489
01:47:32.640 --> 01:47:35.000
keep watching it when you're done.
That's not one hundred percent true. You

1490
01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:38.560
know, not everybody who was a
big star wants to go watch it when

1491
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:41.840
they're done. But you don't listen
to Steve's podcast and he just I mean

1492
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:44.119
not that he watches Robbery week start
to finish. I'm not saying that,

1493
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:46.479
but he's talking about how he watches
you know, Luca Livery watches him.

1494
01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.319
Hey, he's just like he can't
get enough of it and it's just in

1495
01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:56.000
his blood. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, Scott's getting Scott now is like

1496
01:47:56.720 --> 01:48:01.439
Scott's the guy that Scott Hall for
those of don't know who I'm talking about,

1497
01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:08.399
Uh, is the guy that was
found an ice and uh looking up

1498
01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:14.920
like our Buck Rogers style like like
and all now all this technology like you

1499
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:18.880
know, uh, he hadn't no
idea that all of this was that was

1500
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:24.439
was there for him, like YouTube
and you know, the Internet and like

1501
01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:29.039
all of just every like every match
you can think of you can almost find

1502
01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:33.680
on on online. Yeah, you
know, and uh and he's and that's

1503
01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:39.960
you know what, that's a that's
a big part of of of him keeping

1504
01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:45.479
healthy and uh clean headed, clear
headed. Yeah, yeah, absolutely he

1505
01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:48.000
I talked to him today. We
were talking about that just that very subject.

1506
01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:53.439
Yeah, we were talking about getting
the you know, doing the like

1507
01:48:53.479 --> 01:48:59.119
because we're doing the Wolfpack thing.
This this on the thirty first in Pasadena.

1508
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:03.079
Watched City Productions, I think's the
name of it. Yeah, but

1509
01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:09.680
you know, uh to take that
on the road and uh and and do

1510
01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:15.279
you know Q and A's and you
know, uh even the Mike Tyson type

1511
01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:17.239
show because I went to Mike's show
and when he was here in clear Water

1512
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:25.279
and he did a fantastic job.
At the same time, it was it

1513
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:27.920
was something that any one of us
could have done too, you know.

1514
01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:32.039
Yea, and we have some fantastic
stories for the people that are into us.

1515
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:40.399
Cool. Let me bring this next
one up. This is Robert from

1516
01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:43.920
every PA. Question for Sean if
you feel comfortable speaking about it. Which

1517
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.279
pay per view did you received your
highest payoffs for? What's your highest grossing

1518
01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:49.279
year in w w E. Thanks
Wade baf came over here and as usual

1519
01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:56.279
loving all the audience. Is that
to have a good deal, I mean

1520
01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:03.760
uh, I mean figures. I'll
say that for one mat for for my

1521
01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:10.159
match versus Shane WrestleMania. Oh cool, well, yeah, I'm I've made

1522
01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:20.000
uh for for the Osaka Dome fifty
thousand dollars. Uh Jesus, Uh,

1523
01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:27.119
my years were my best years on
paper? Well, I shouldn't say this,

1524
01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:31.239
don't want I arrest of it.
I'm listening. A million and a

1525
01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:38.159
half A million and a half million
and a half was you know, that's

1526
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:43.000
before hotel and travel and road expenses. Yeah, that's gross. Yeah.

1527
01:50:43.279 --> 01:50:45.199
I just want people to know that
a lot comes out of that because you

1528
01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:48.960
guys be very contracted. So yeah, exactly. Do you have a sense

1529
01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:53.880
of the pay scale today compared to
Sannon? No, No, I really

1530
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:57.720
don't. And I guess there's some
guys that are making some good scratch.

1531
01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:01.399
I think it's I think there's a
really wide and then there's some guys that

1532
01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:04.600
ain't aren't making dick. Yeah,
there's a really wide discrepancy. Now a

1533
01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:09.039
lot of ranges. The Randy Orton
divorce proceedings and you know, the wife

1534
01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:11.800
and her the ex wife and her
attorney are gonna, you know, take

1535
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:15.119
the best years you ever had and
add everything together and not take road expenses.

1536
01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:18.319
But I mean they were talking about
you know, they claimed Orton app

1537
01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:23.000
was averaging like three million a year
and or four or more than that maybe.

1538
01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:25.000
Oh yeah, No, I can
see that for sure. Yeah,

1539
01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:28.680
yeah, but that's I mean,
you know what Austin is best year made

1540
01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:31.199
eight ten million Hogan and w s
W. You know, not far from

1541
01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:34.119
that in w s W that you
know people top out at that. I

1542
01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:36.279
don't know what John seeing a top
down I but I bet it's in that

1543
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:42.119
range because the merchandise, it's it's
probably a little more with John, yeah,

1544
01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:45.560
just because he is the guy.
And yeah, because when you're the

1545
01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:49.640
man like you, you get you
get that that pay slot. Yeah.

1546
01:51:50.199 --> 01:51:56.199
Yeah. One way that you can
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1547
01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:59.960
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1548
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:02.600
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01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:06.079
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01:52:06.159 --> 01:52:11.600
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1551
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.720
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01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:21.680
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1554
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:25.239
you can add a few comments about
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1555
01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:32.760
comments section, thank you so much. But yeah, you know, then

1556
01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:36.039
there's a big drop off for developmental
guys. And I mean you got to

1557
01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:40.279
earn money to make money. It's
like, yeah, I remember my first

1558
01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:44.119
year, my first six months,
I mean thirty grand yep, and that's

1559
01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:46.600
grows yea. Bob Holly wrote about
that too. You know, he was

1560
01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:49.159
just like, you know, in
his book, he's just shocked that it's

1561
01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:53.279
hard to make. It's like,
damn man, you get that, you

1562
01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:57.760
get that draw and then you get
your check and it says zero or negative

1563
01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:01.479
or with a minus sign. And
you know, I mean, hey,

1564
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.880
that was all the Florida those all
the Florida towns and you know some of

1565
01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:09.600
the Canada towns back then. Hey, is always going up and down,

1566
01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:12.680
up and down if you're not in
a salaried position, you know, whether

1567
01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:15.359
you run your own business, I
know what it's like. There's been ups

1568
01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.560
and downs for a wide variety of
reasons over the last twenty five plus years.

1569
01:53:18.119 --> 01:53:25.720
And uh and the uh if you
work for somebody but you're on a

1570
01:53:25.800 --> 01:53:29.520
percentage pay basis, you know,
like you know, ostensibly w W E

1571
01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:34.640
is if there's a talking about incentive
based the what's the minimum guarantee type situation.

1572
01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:38.399
Yeah, I mean you're gonna have
ups and downs, and like UFC,

1573
01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:40.479
you know, people like, oh
do they pay enough? And some

1574
01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:44.000
of these guys are working for a
thousand bucks or you know freels. Yeah,

1575
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:46.840
that pisses me off. Well if
some of them, I mean,

1576
01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.399
come on, man, it's you
know how much it costs just to train

1577
01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:53.720
for a fight. That's the thing. It's one thing to say I made

1578
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:57.119
three thirty thousand dollars or six months
before expenses, but you know, you

1579
01:53:57.239 --> 01:54:00.279
could get by on that. But
if you're fighting once every eight months and

1580
01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:03.479
you're having to quit your job and
pay for the gym, pay for trainers,

1581
01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:06.119
you know, all that stuff,
and you're getting a thirty five hundred

1582
01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:10.319
dollars payoff for winning a fight on
a pay per view, that does you

1583
01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:15.079
know three hundred or eight hundred thousand
buys at sixty bucks a shot. I

1584
01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:19.239
would like to see USC stay.
We're going to make sure everybody who fights,

1585
01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:23.479
you know, full time for US
can make at least a decent downside

1586
01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:26.159
with the money they're making. And
but you know, what can you do?

1587
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:28.399
I mean, you know, I
don't get far from that. For

1588
01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:32.920
for for for what I you know, for my independent booking, Yeah,

1589
01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:36.880
I know, yeah, and I'm
doing you know, and we're we're out

1590
01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:41.680
there telling us putting on a show. Yeah, and you're not preparing six

1591
01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:44.880
months for that one fight, and
you know there's exactly and you know,

1592
01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:49.319
there's five hundred or a thousand or
actually when I'm there is usually a lot

1593
01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:56.079
more than that. But I'm just
kidding, you know. Actually, you

1594
01:54:56.199 --> 01:55:00.880
know, I feel real fortunate people
still seem to come on and watch us,

1595
01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:03.640
you know, yeah, you know, whether it's just me or Meek

1596
01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:09.399
Evan and Scott or I mean Scott
or you know, I'm real grateful for

1597
01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:13.520
that. Or when I when Billy
and Bart and Dog were before they got

1598
01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:17.960
rehired, we were doing six man
hell, we were doing thousand people on

1599
01:55:18.079 --> 01:55:25.039
night all day long. Yeah,
that's a lot of independent shows. Let

1600
01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:28.399
me see if I can get Marity
on Kashisono because this is uh, what

1601
01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:30.920
do you think Catchasono and NXT is
our specific reason he's been in developmental for

1602
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.520
three years or is it a case
of just having to wait his turn if

1603
01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:35.319
he was brought up to the main
roster. Do you think he'd be a

1604
01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:39.439
good spit to team with Hayman and
Axel, to work with Punk in order

1605
01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:43.159
to tell a good story and get
using that psner at Mania. Thanks for

1606
01:55:43.239 --> 01:55:45.520
taking time for my questions. V
I remember Ryan from Scottsdale, Arizona.

1607
01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:55.159
I'm a Methanic of of Christ of
Kashasano. Yeah. I don't know what

1608
01:55:55.319 --> 01:55:59.880
to say about about that. I
really don't. Man. You know,

1609
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:02.319
there's a lot of guys that have
been there. Biggie Langson was there for

1610
01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:09.039
four years. Yeah, I remember, and came and left and came.

1611
01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:12.479
Yeah. Yeah, I was just
I was just BSk and with Rip Rogers

1612
01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:16.600
about that. Oh yeah, yeah, because Rip kind of help train uh,

1613
01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:21.279
sand Out. But that's why sand
Out wears the pink trunks. Oh,

1614
01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:29.239
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, so hell man, Uh,

1615
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:35.520
I'm I'm a little bit lost now
where we're just past. Yeah. How

1616
01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:39.079
would he how would he fit in
if they moved him to the main roster

1617
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:45.640
and would he be a good Paul
Hayman guy. M quite possibly. I

1618
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:49.920
mean I was always like I like
this stuff him and him in Claudio you

1619
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:56.920
know, in r O H.
I'd like to see Claudio move up to

1620
01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:00.359
the next level as far as work
wise, I'm a huge I'm a huge

1621
01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.960
fans, but like step it up. Yeah, main event, you know,

1622
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:09.640
get that main event feel, you
know, and that main event flow?

1623
01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:13.760
No to me? To me,
tell me, because I obviously respect

1624
01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:18.720
your opinion on this huge How does
to me? Uh, he's he works

1625
01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:24.720
kind of a slow, deliberate,
all set the pace pace that doesn't he

1626
01:57:24.760 --> 01:57:28.119
doesn't switch gears enough. Yeah,
And like Steve Austen was talking about that

1627
01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:31.800
with Samoa Joe and in as podcast
last week about how they're like, you

1628
01:57:31.880 --> 01:57:35.520
know what, you can't do that
anymore. It's twenty thirteen. It sucks,

1629
01:57:36.039 --> 01:57:40.239
but you need to work at the
pace of the business, not have

1630
01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:43.159
the business slow down to your pace
because you want to tell a story old

1631
01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:45.039
school And it seems like he's kind
of stubborn that way. Triple Age,

1632
01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:47.399
by the way, in the late
nineties I thought was kind of stubborn about

1633
01:57:47.399 --> 01:57:50.159
that, and he kind of learned
to switch gears and that's when he took

1634
01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:54.119
off. And is there a comparison
there and what does it take to get

1635
01:57:54.319 --> 01:58:01.039
somebody to think that way and break
from their instincts Like, okay, I'll

1636
01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:05.600
use an example. We uh,
it was road Dog and I were teaming

1637
01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:11.680
and the Dubis came in and the
Dublies came in, and they had a

1638
01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:16.920
lot of heat because Bubba Wash you
know or eight time ECW champions, and

1639
01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:19.960
he was telling people's stuff like that
in the locker room. Guys, he

1640
01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:24.720
was working with them, mark you
know, that kind of thing. And

1641
01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:27.520
I think he'd probably be the first
to admit that's how he was back then.

1642
01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.800
And uh, and then we'd put
you know, we tried to put

1643
01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:34.560
a match together with them, and
uh because we we hadn't we you know,

1644
01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:36.760
we didn't angle it. Don't know, we were working with them on

1645
01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:44.560
when they came in. Uh uh, and they just were intent and it

1646
01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:49.880
was mostly Bubba because he was he's
pretty much the leader of the team and

1647
01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:59.000
the spokesperson. Uh. But they
were just so intent on doing so much

1648
01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:05.960
and and not waiting for the you
know, you know, just I know,

1649
01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:09.960
I'm kind of bumbling my words here
because I'm trying to figure out how

1650
01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:14.960
to put it so people can understand
it. But uh, but what just

1651
01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:20.039
let me just just go to this
point. Once once they listened, once

1652
01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:27.600
we we finally said, look,
just trying our way tonight and and and

1653
01:59:27.920 --> 01:59:30.880
if and if it doesn't work,
okay, we'll try it your way.

1654
01:59:30.720 --> 01:59:33.760
And they come back from the ring
and it was like, oh my god,

1655
01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:40.840
I had no idea, you know, and they had no idea how

1656
01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:45.560
to work a proper tag match,
and they they they caught on, you

1657
01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:50.880
know, and and uh and they
ended up obviously doing great. Yeah,

1658
01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:57.880
you know, they were very formulaic, which is fine with me. You

1659
01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:01.680
know. Uh made it easier easy
to work with them every night. So

1660
02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:04.560
yeah, yeah, and hey,
if the crowd's responding, I mean,

1661
02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:08.880
why why do you have to change
something up if it's nothing else, nothing

1662
02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:12.680
else matters? Yeah, or a
very few other things matter. Well,

1663
02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:15.359
what the what the dirt cheats say
about you? You know that matters?

1664
02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:18.319
Yeah, that does. If you're
getting big pops and making a lot of

1665
02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:23.800
money but a little not getting great
reviews and the cheats are you know that

1666
02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:27.760
that's very really a failure. Hey, you know what it does? It

1667
02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:32.560
does have an effect what is written
about you? Yeah, yeah it does.

1668
02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:36.600
I mean people can say what they
want, but it does. People

1669
02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:41.720
people would say you to did cheat
this? And then yeah they're sitting that,

1670
02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:45.000
you know, they got one coming
to their house. Yeah, you

1671
02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:51.159
know, uh, for Chraist's sakes, another one of your competitors was actually

1672
02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:58.920
on their payroll, ye for Christ's
sakes. Yeah yeah, well, uh,

1673
02:00:59.439 --> 02:01:02.720
development wise, you haven't been to
the Performance Center, but from what

1674
02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:04.800
you heard about it, I mean, you spend so much time down at

1675
02:01:04.840 --> 02:01:09.039
SCW, and what's the previous set
up? Are you? Are you a

1676
02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:13.199
fan of what you've seen and heard? And I like you. I'll add

1677
02:01:13.239 --> 02:01:16.239
this big picture thought bubble to this. I'm watching I watched Total Divas.

1678
02:01:17.199 --> 02:01:24.199
I'm seeing WrestleMania twenty nine was essentially
as much for the for the corporate sponsors

1679
02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:26.840
was for the fans. You know, all the look at how great we

1680
02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:29.039
are, look at all the great
things we do for the world, all

1681
02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:32.000
those videos in between the matches.
They were entertaining their corporate sponsors as much

1682
02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:34.600
as they were entertaining the fans.
So you've got that, you've got the

1683
02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:39.800
George Orwellian speak, you've got Total
Divas pulling the curtain back and showing this

1684
02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:43.239
whole other side. It just on
and on and on and now the Performance

1685
02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:45.039
Center and tripolates saying we want one
hundred percent of our guys to be developmental

1686
02:01:45.079 --> 02:01:54.560
we're not. We're almost divorcing ourselves
from anything that pre existed as as the

1687
02:01:54.640 --> 02:02:00.199
wrestling industry, and we're now becoming
a corporation that happens to promote what used

1688
02:02:00.199 --> 02:02:03.840
to be known as pro wrestling.
That's kind of what it's that's kind of

1689
02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:12.199
what it's become. It feels like
man, Yeah, but it's still foresighted

1690
02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:19.279
ring. Yep. And just like
the other night, the word wrestling was

1691
02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:24.159
used at least half a dozen times, if not more. Yep. And

1692
02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:28.319
I like that. That counter well, good good, that's good enough.

1693
02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:31.279
I'm not glad he's not totally on
that on that you know, creo light

1694
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:36.000
but the or at all for that
matter. But nevertheless, it does seem

1695
02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:42.039
like w w E the mcmahn family
dream, which they've been. You know,

1696
02:02:42.119 --> 02:02:44.399
sometimes you've got to fake it before
you make it, the old saying.

1697
02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:47.880
Sometimes that's a speaker. Yep.
And I and I believe it.

1698
02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:50.039
I believe in that. I think
that works a lot, and you can

1699
02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:53.520
find exceptions, but I think it
works a lot. But but you have

1700
02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:55.920
to have a game plan and do
the homework and work hard and all that

1701
02:02:55.960 --> 02:02:58.159
stuff and still a little luck.
But take it till you make it does

1702
02:02:58.319 --> 02:03:01.960
is a good step. But anyway, what I want to say is WWE

1703
02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:05.680
faked that they weren't pro wrestling,
going back to the late eighties when vincego

1704
02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:10.479
our competition is not WW and Jim
Crockett Promotions, it is Walt Disney and

1705
02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:14.119
Disney on Ice. And if people
just roll their eyes, but they really

1706
02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:17.159
have. It took thirty years,
but he's kind of gotten to the point

1707
02:03:17.239 --> 02:03:23.119
now with a performance center and all
this corporate sponsorship and the total Leava's reality

1708
02:03:23.199 --> 02:03:28.039
show. WWE is. I think
this year, this year more than any

1709
02:03:28.119 --> 02:03:35.119
other, was a tipping point where
WWE is almost completely disconnected, is almost

1710
02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:41.520
completely cut the cord from what from
the from wrestling being a genre of which

1711
02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:45.680
they're a brand in it. They
are now WWE with no need for any

1712
02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:53.479
wrestling to exist outside of their bubble. Yeah that was a long question,

1713
02:03:53.640 --> 02:04:00.119
but yeah, okay, yeah they
can do that, but it's still a

1714
02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:05.479
bubble, still gets sucked down at
suck to a vacuum. Yeah. I

1715
02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:09.600
don't know if if that made any
sense to let me, in one sentence

1716
02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:14.640
say that if everything that wasn't WWE
but was related to pro wrestling or was

1717
02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.199
pro wrestling in the United States went
away. By the end of the year,

1718
02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:20.640
every indie want shut down. It
was out loud. Whatever TNA shut

1719
02:04:20.720 --> 02:04:25.840
down, every training school that exists
that wasn't the Performance Center shut down.

1720
02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:30.840
Wwe would not be largely impacted over
the next five years by that relative to

1721
02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.960
any time in history, by wide
margin. Yeah, well, it wouldn't

1722
02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:38.079
affect them at all. I mean, well it would, but like you

1723
02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:41.920
know, very little, Yeah,
very little. And I and I think

1724
02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:45.359
that, and I think that's that's
smarter of them as a company. Yeah,

1725
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.479
yeah, and I but they've I
think they've wanted to be there for

1726
02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:51.079
a long time. But I think
the Performance Center was a huge moment for

1727
02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:57.520
them opening that, because it really
did I think for the last time for

1728
02:04:57.800 --> 02:05:00.279
you know, was that final step
to saying we really are fine if DNA

1729
02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:03.119
doesn't send us talent, if we
don't get talent from our wage, if

1730
02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:06.800
we don't have guys on the indie
And I think that is in a way

1731
02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:12.119
liberating for them. And I think
in a weird way, then go ahead

1732
02:05:12.279 --> 02:05:15.000
say yeah, in a weird way, I think it'll make them more open.

1733
02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:17.600
It'll take a couple of years more
open to being to looking at the

1734
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:21.399
INDEC and looking at TNA and looking
to Japan for talent, because they won't

1735
02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:25.720
feel they need to. So when
they do it, it'll feel like it's

1736
02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.960
by choice, and so in a
weird way, it might kind of have

1737
02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:31.319
a reverse psychological effect and there might
be more open than to bring in people

1738
02:05:31.319 --> 02:05:34.279
in from the DC and instead of
resenting the fact that they started outside of

1739
02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:38.119
their bubble. No, I don't
think that's going to be the case.

1740
02:05:38.199 --> 02:05:45.079
All I think that they're gonna embrace
good talent from the indies. But like

1741
02:05:45.199 --> 02:05:50.199
they've done with Jennerico, Yeah,
yeah, you know, I think that's

1742
02:05:50.239 --> 02:05:58.760
gonna it's gonna continue to go like
that hungry. His words to me back

1743
02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:04.199
when like things were still pretty bad
at Developmental H was that you know he

1744
02:06:04.479 --> 02:06:13.840
had he had just just just taken
over the developmental UH system, and you

1745
02:06:13.920 --> 02:06:20.720
know he told me that, like, of the problem is that there's no

1746
02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:27.199
there's no new talent. The talent
that we have. When they're done,

1747
02:06:27.279 --> 02:06:32.399
there's nobody to replace them, and
that should be their number one priority and

1748
02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:39.359
and until now it hasn't been.
They've treated they've done it. His poor

1749
02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:47.720
job until now of of of developing
new talent and triple they might as well

1750
02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:50.880
let him stay on the endies and
then they wouldn't have had to pay guys

1751
02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:57.399
full time salaries to learn their craft. Well but Hunter's Hunter's argument was,

1752
02:06:59.560 --> 02:07:01.000
and I agree, I agree,
it's a lot of it is. There's

1753
02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:04.520
a lot of guys who have had
trouble because of bad habits formed on the

1754
02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:09.479
NDCAM working in front of seventy five
people or two hundred people, understanding how

1755
02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:12.880
different and accepting how different you have
to be when you're working in front of

1756
02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:17.239
fifteen thousand people. That's right,
and that sometimes to unlearned things, to

1757
02:07:17.279 --> 02:07:20.199
get people on learn things can be
more effort than just starting with a blob

1758
02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:24.239
of clay and molding it from scratch. Yeah, so I don't know you

1759
02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:27.960
want it's a constant tugle war.
I think, Yeah, I've told I've

1760
02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:32.000
told agents before, like I'll take
the worst guy you have as long as

1761
02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:35.439
he listens to me. Then that
guy right there that thinks he knows what

1762
02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:45.880
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1763
02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:50.199
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1764
02:07:50.279 --> 02:07:54.159
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02:07:54.199 --> 02:07:57.640
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02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:01.000
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02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:11.840
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02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:15.159
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02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:39.479
in America every Sunday, Pwtorch Dailycast
dot com. Yeah, Curtis Axel A

1773
02:08:39.520 --> 02:08:43.880
few months in, Uh, how
you feeling about him? Good? Yeah?

1774
02:08:45.119 --> 02:08:48.640
Good. I mean I'm gonna be
honest with you, like, I

1775
02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:52.000
don't think he has had a grand
slam. Yeah, but I think he

1776
02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:56.439
had a good solid double Yeah.
Uh. You know, I mean he's

1777
02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:05.239
you know, I when you you
know, he's been in developmental he hasn't

1778
02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:09.920
been you know, to the big
well. He did the mcgilla cutty thing

1779
02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:13.520
and all that. But you know, when you get your first real push,

1780
02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:20.479
like, you get nervous sometimes.
Yeah, you know, I mean

1781
02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:24.239
said like I think it's I like
it. I think he's feeling good.

1782
02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:31.479
I think he'll sharpen up on the
mic as he gets older. Yea,

1783
02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:37.319
yeah, you know its sometimes like
sometimes you just don't have anything to talk

1784
02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.680
about, yeah, because you haven't
done anything that you know. Yeah,

1785
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:48.960
but I don't know, what do
you think I'm nervous about whether he's uh

1786
02:09:48.479 --> 02:09:56.399
got top guy inherent, top guy
in factor charisma. Now I am not

1787
02:09:56.600 --> 02:09:58.840
ruling it out, but it was
funny last Friday on SmackDown. You know

1788
02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:03.199
answers, we're talking and I really
my ears perked up when I heard this

1789
02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.399
because JBL was saying, you know, I think Paul Hayman's been spending too

1790
02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:09.079
much time thinking about brock Lessner and
not giving Curtis Axel enough time. And

1791
02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:13.399
they were like, maybe after Summer
Slime that will change because Curtis Axel deserves

1792
02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:16.000
more Paul Hayman's attention. He's obsessed
with them punk in that match with Lesner

1793
02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:20.279
and I kind of, you know, I listen to that under two different

1794
02:10:20.680 --> 02:10:24.720
you know, of two different minds. One is storyline, but the other

1795
02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:26.720
is I wonder how much is true. I wonder how much Paul thought I

1796
02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:30.000
need to get. You know,
they're they're thinking Paul is going to work

1797
02:10:30.039 --> 02:10:33.359
his magic on Curtis Axel after Summer
Slim when he has to, because I

1798
02:10:33.520 --> 02:10:37.760
just I haven't seen the mightas touch
on Axel's on air persona yet. I

1799
02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.560
don't. He can't be mister Perfect
Junior or Larry the ax Junior. He's

1800
02:10:43.560 --> 02:10:48.000
got to be his own guy.
And I see something different personality wise in

1801
02:10:48.079 --> 02:10:52.439
him than Kurt. I don't see
a real resemblance to what I saw it

1802
02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:54.079
Kurt at a younger age in the
a w A much less, you know,

1803
02:10:56.079 --> 02:11:00.399
really, yeah, because I kind
of thought he was doing doud He

1804
02:11:00.520 --> 02:11:05.920
was like kind of uh, you
know, probably right where he you know,

1805
02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:09.439
would be at that point in the
game. Like well, I mean,

1806
02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:13.439
you know, Kurt was really young
when he was a w A champion

1807
02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:18.399
compared to Curtis now, who's into
you know, into his thirties, and

1808
02:11:18.479 --> 02:11:20.279
I bes way easy. But but
they didn't start at the same age,

1809
02:11:20.319 --> 02:11:22.960
you know, right. But at
the same time, I think if you're

1810
02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:26.399
in your thirties, you should kind
of know who you are and I don't

1811
02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:31.560
sense And again I'm just totally speaking
of watching him on TV. Sense Curtis

1812
02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:35.199
Axel knows who he is yet,
and I think fans sense that sure,

1813
02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:41.560
And I think they're waiting to get
all those everything SYNCD up. I understand

1814
02:11:41.640 --> 02:11:45.720
exactly what you what you're saying.
Yeah, and and and it's funny your

1815
02:11:45.840 --> 02:11:50.319
your your spot on on that.
It's tough, man. People know when

1816
02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:56.119
when when you're not sure of yourself, yeah, you know, uh they

1817
02:11:56.239 --> 02:12:00.439
know, yeah, they know.
Man, Uh, you don't have the

1818
02:12:00.479 --> 02:12:05.079
greatest catch phrases in the world or
anything like that, but you gotta believe

1819
02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:11.760
in yourself and and and you know
project that to the people and and uh

1820
02:12:11.399 --> 02:12:16.600
you know, hopefully you get better
with that. You know. It's hard

1821
02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:20.039
for me to not be biased,
of course, you know, I hopefully

1822
02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:28.640
people understand that that are listening to
this. But uh, I'm I'm happy.

1823
02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:35.399
I'm happy for him. Yeah,
you know, uh, maybe maybe

1824
02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:41.279
they shouldn't just get you know,
uh, let him go along at a

1825
02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:46.279
at a different pace, you know, and not shove them up so fast,

1826
02:12:46.520 --> 02:12:52.399
because when you shove somebody too fast, people are bound to spit it

1827
02:12:52.479 --> 02:12:56.640
out, you know what I mean? Yea, yea. So hopefully that's

1828
02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:01.760
not the case, but you know
I would, you know, I just

1829
02:13:03.279 --> 02:13:05.560
just let him throw them out.
It's like throwing somebody in the pool and

1830
02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:11.520
let him swim, think or swim. Yep. You know. Nice to

1831
02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:16.119
have Paul Hayman as your mouthpiece,
that's for damn sure. It should take

1832
02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:18.840
some pressure off, but you also
want him to feel pressure to figure out

1833
02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:20.079
what his voice is too. Yeah, not just you know, rely on

1834
02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:24.920
him two months. Okay, this
is a fun question, Josh Mustachio to

1835
02:13:24.039 --> 02:13:28.159
your VFQ member, big Fan.
Shown always wondered when you and d X

1836
02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:30.760
went to Nitro and they didn't let
you in the building, what was the

1837
02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:37.319
plan if they did let you in
nothing and we didn't have one, we

1838
02:13:37.479 --> 02:13:43.800
were gonna we were gonna just do
something off the cuff. The thing is

1839
02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:48.960
is as and I've said this a
million times, I told Bruce Pretcher,

1840
02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:52.000
we need to go down the ramp
first. If we do all this other

1841
02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:56.119
bs first, they're gonna know we're
coming. And when we go down that

1842
02:13:56.319 --> 02:14:00.399
ramp, they're gonna shut the door
on us. And that's exactly what they

1843
02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:05.039
did. Ye yeah, And we
would have we it would have been and

1844
02:14:05.159 --> 02:14:09.760
maybe that's fine. Maybe that's as
far as it should have gone, because

1845
02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:13.960
I'd hate to put anybody in a
situation working for them where they think they

1846
02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:16.520
actually got a fight if there's something
stupid like that. Exactly. Yeah,

1847
02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:24.079
you know, uh, because obviously
our problem wasn't with any of the talent,

1848
02:14:26.039 --> 02:14:31.640
you know, it was with it
was a w C W and you

1849
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:37.800
know and Vince's uh obsession with Ted
Turner. Right, Yes, I got

1850
02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:41.119
a couple of phone calls from Vince
during that era, which was which was

1851
02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:45.720
funny, which like, okay,
if if if you can, if you've

1852
02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:48.840
had that kind of relationship in the
past, I can't see why you can't

1853
02:14:48.880 --> 02:14:54.720
get an interview with Paula vac in
two thousand and thirteen. Yeah, yeah,

1854
02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:56.840
it was. It was funny about
Vince, would you know call me

1855
02:14:56.960 --> 02:15:03.279
up and I swear there eat you
us said, I am surrounded by quotes

1856
02:15:03.680 --> 02:15:07.960
from Ted Turner by you know,
and my assistant gathered them. Wait do

1857
02:15:07.000 --> 02:15:09.840
you want to believe how crazy this
guy is? And he starts reading me

1858
02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:13.119
crazy things Ted Turner had, Ted
Turner is crazy but anyway, Yeah,

1859
02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:16.840
but it was just funny He's like, wait, I just you need to

1860
02:15:16.880 --> 02:15:20.680
know about Ted Turner and how crazy
is my My secretary gathered all the stuff

1861
02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:22.039
for me. Listen to this ten
years ago he said this, you know,

1862
02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:24.520
and then this magazine just six months
ago we said this. It was

1863
02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:28.600
he was obsessed with him. Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting time.

1864
02:15:30.399 --> 02:15:37.279
Yeah, well, I mean,
you know it's Jens was in trouble man,

1865
02:15:39.279 --> 02:15:43.399
Yeah, you know, I was. I never doubted that he would

1866
02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:46.640
that he would be okay though,
yeah, because you can only take so

1867
02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:50.920
many guys, right, you know, And that's all that was what I

1868
02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:54.800
mean. We were having some good
shows too, That's not lie, you

1869
02:15:54.880 --> 02:16:00.359
know. I mean, it wasn't
all about us just stealing talent, steal

1870
02:16:00.399 --> 02:16:03.640
on talent, but definitely not.
I don't know, man, all right,

1871
02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:13.600
darnielle uh announces he's gay. And
what's the history of that in the

1872
02:16:13.640 --> 02:16:16.039
wrestling industry as you experienced it.
Do you think in the in the mid

1873
02:16:16.199 --> 02:16:20.840
nineties or throughout the nineties that a
wrestler, how would a wrestler have been

1874
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:26.319
if he answered a media question like
that, whether management knew ahead of time

1875
02:16:26.399 --> 02:16:28.560
or not, how would that have
been taken in the locker room? If

1876
02:16:28.560 --> 02:16:31.760
somebody was open about it, as
opposed to you know, a small circle

1877
02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:35.520
knew or nobody knew. It's hard
for me to say that because it was

1878
02:16:35.719 --> 02:16:41.000
it was, It's never been,
has never been something that's happened. Yeah,

1879
02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:48.280
you know, God, I I
think it's one of the best things

1880
02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:54.840
that's happened in a while, to
be honest with you. And Uh,

1881
02:16:56.559 --> 02:17:03.760
it's it's it's somebody that's that's a
talented guy, you know. Uh,

1882
02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:09.920
he's there on his merits because he's
you know, he's good. Uh.

1883
02:17:09.559 --> 02:17:16.719
He came out the people I was
worried about, you know, some dear

1884
02:17:16.159 --> 02:17:22.600
like vocal minority of assholes Tanton faggot
or some bullshit like that, you know,

1885
02:17:22.440 --> 02:17:26.760
which you never know, he might
get some of that down South unfortunately.

1886
02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:33.879
Uh. And that's something that people
should be mindful of. You know,

1887
02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:41.280
there are the ignorant assholes left in
the you know, even in the

1888
02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:50.280
business. You know. Uh,
he'll I think that Uh, in the

1889
02:17:50.399 --> 02:17:58.799
past, people would have been just
I mean we're talking about wrestling here.

1890
02:17:58.879 --> 02:18:03.680
Man, We're a weird bunch of
people. Anyways, man, you know,

1891
02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:09.200
uh, I mean people knew if
Pat was I mean, he never

1892
02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:15.520
came out and said, and uh, you know, and in public because

1893
02:18:15.559 --> 02:18:18.520
he was like an idol for the
women. Yeah, you know, he's

1894
02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:22.000
good looking guy. The women loved
him. Yeah, you know, he's

1895
02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:31.879
got the good the women, so
he get the guy. But are you

1896
02:18:31.079 --> 02:18:35.280
asking me, like what their attitude
would have been about him coming out publicly?

1897
02:18:35.600 --> 02:18:39.200
Well, how would how would he? How would a wrestler have been

1898
02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:43.159
accepted in the locker room if he
were open about it, if he wanted

1899
02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:46.239
to bring his his partner, his
boyfriend backstage at a pay per view and

1900
02:18:46.319 --> 02:18:48.360
be treated like everybody else. Is
that something that that could have been done

1901
02:18:48.360 --> 02:18:52.639
in nineteen ninety seven, Yeah,
totally, yeah, yeah for sure.

1902
02:18:52.879 --> 02:19:00.360
Yeah yeah. And were there wrestlers
that you knew of in major company w

1903
02:19:00.520 --> 02:19:05.920
W, w WWF Global whatever,
were who everybody knew and they you know,

1904
02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:09.079
went in they you know, checked
out guys and talked about guys they

1905
02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.360
liked in front of other wrestlers.
Are there a guy and other words,

1906
02:19:11.399 --> 02:19:13.079
other wrestlers who were open about their
sexuality if they were gay in the past,

1907
02:19:15.719 --> 02:19:18.120
well down in Mexico for damn sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

1908
02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:22.600
that doesn't even count. That's funny. Why it was just culturally because there's

1909
02:19:22.639 --> 02:19:28.120
so many of them. Yeah,
yeah, there's so many of them,

1910
02:19:28.239 --> 02:19:33.120
and like some of the bigger even
some of the bigger uh, even some

1911
02:19:33.239 --> 02:19:35.239
of the guys that like women are
like, you know an other way too.

1912
02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:41.399
Yeah, you know, like until
Kabla and uh and Triple A,

1913
02:19:41.520 --> 02:19:45.920
he was known for being pains you
know, yeah, pains boy. Yeah,

1914
02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:50.159
uh in that way. But he
was and the women loved him,

1915
02:19:50.360 --> 02:19:54.200
yeah, you know, and the
guys knew what he was doing, he

1916
02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:56.319
knew why he had he was he
was a he was a chippendale dancer.

1917
02:19:56.639 --> 02:20:00.799
Yeah, so he had some heat
with the guys. Put still treat them

1918
02:20:01.159 --> 02:20:07.000
like fine. It wasn't nothing,
you know, homophobic bull crap. It

1919
02:20:07.159 --> 02:20:13.120
was just it was just like somebody
sleeping with the bus and a heterosexual relationship.

1920
02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:18.879
Get moving up now, Yeah that's
all. But yeah, no,

1921
02:20:18.399 --> 02:20:24.319
they got the drag queens down there, and they ain't afraid and they'll whip

1922
02:20:24.399 --> 02:20:31.680
your ass too, and they can
go pimp. And La Scarlatta is one

1923
02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:37.200
of the is one hell of a
wrestler. Yeah, but uh, there's

1924
02:20:37.239 --> 02:20:43.399
never been. I mean, most
of the guys, like I think I

1925
02:20:43.600 --> 02:20:50.600
honestly are you know, are married
too. Yeah. A lot of a

1926
02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:54.760
lot of those guys. Yeah,
but that just without I'm not asking the

1927
02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:58.239
name name, but are during your
times in w WF, did you or

1928
02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:01.440
the other guy just go yeah,
he's not admitting it, but we know,

1929
02:21:01.799 --> 02:21:05.200
you know who he's gone. We
know sometimes he's walking into the hotel

1930
02:21:05.280 --> 02:21:09.319
room with something, you know,
with a guy, or he's you know,

1931
02:21:09.639 --> 02:21:13.040
noticing the guy. Is that something
that just from up percentage point one

1932
02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:16.440
or two or three guys at any
given time a couple of times, and

1933
02:21:18.159 --> 02:21:20.840
some of it wasn't I mean,
everybody knew about Orlando, yeah, you

1934
02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:28.120
know, yeah, not really.
We had some we had you know,

1935
02:21:28.680 --> 02:21:33.520
we had a lot of employees,
like like the merchandising guy was you know,

1936
02:21:33.879 --> 02:21:37.719
openly gay, and yeah, you
know everybody. I mean, it

1937
02:21:37.879 --> 02:21:41.079
was just it was it's it's just
really was never an issue. Yeah,

1938
02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:46.440
nobody was ever like I am working
with that guy, right, you know,

1939
02:21:46.760 --> 02:21:48.959
Well Scott was Scott was nervous about
gold death, you know, working

1940
02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:54.079
Yeah, but that was the perception
of the people he was worried about.

1941
02:21:54.239 --> 02:21:58.760
Yeah, exactly, and he's you
know he's look, I looked wait and

1942
02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:03.000
and you know he I can't talk
about Scott's past. I can't talk about

1943
02:22:03.040 --> 02:22:09.639
mine. Uh. I was sexually
abused by by more than one man.

1944
02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:15.719
Uh so when I was younger,
Even when I moved to Minneapolis, I

1945
02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:22.360
had instilled in the homophobia. Yeah, you know, I didn't learn until

1946
02:22:22.399 --> 02:22:28.239
I moved to Minneapolis that gay people
are just is the same as as anybody

1947
02:22:28.319 --> 02:22:33.639
else, right, you know?
Uh? And I mean I remember one

1948
02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:39.719
time who who you know? I
lived with a guy named Marvin Reuben and

1949
02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:45.159
like I walked across I took him, walked across the street with him across

1950
02:22:45.239 --> 02:22:48.040
hennep In Avenue because I didn't want
to be seen walking with him. Uh.

1951
02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:54.000
By the gay nineties. Yeah,
that was my ignorant you know what

1952
02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:56.559
I mean. Yeah, it sucks
to tad to admit that, but I

1953
02:22:56.639 --> 02:23:01.799
mean I had experience that made you
know, you know what I mean,

1954
02:23:03.040 --> 02:23:05.559
Yeah, being abused it made me
think that, you know, and it

1955
02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:11.920
was bullshit, all right? Shift
shifting gears. Uh but odd Scott,

1956
02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:16.879
all have you seen Cody wrestle much? And are you uh you can see

1957
02:23:16.920 --> 02:23:18.520
some real prospect and we're having you
had a chance to see Aim money,

1958
02:23:18.840 --> 02:23:22.879
of course I've seen him. I've
seen everything he's done. Good. Yeah,

1959
02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:28.719
yeah, I'm I'm one of his
mentors. Yeah, so you're still

1960
02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:33.120
watching his progress absolutely, yeah,
even though he's been Yeah for sure.

1961
02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:37.799
Yeah, we're tagging together, coming
up soon. Oh yeah, Scott's going

1962
02:23:37.879 --> 02:23:41.479
to be in the corner. Yeah, and uh, you know, we'll

1963
02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:46.399
hopefully we'll do some Scott, no, some you know, myself, Kevin

1964
02:23:46.479 --> 02:23:50.319
and Cody who's Scott, you know, so we can have like kind of

1965
02:23:50.360 --> 02:23:56.159
the Wolf kind of like Jason Bonham
played John Bonham's part and read Zeppelin's Yeah,

1966
02:23:56.680 --> 02:24:01.120
you know it's up. Thank god, Scott still alive. Yeah,

1967
02:24:03.440 --> 02:24:07.520
No, he's gonna be He's gonna
be a huge star man, possibly the

1968
02:24:07.639 --> 02:24:13.159
man. Yeah, cool, cool. A couple of quick ones and then

1969
02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:16.719
we'll wrap up Samoa. Joe might
be in a similar spot as aj Styles

1970
02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:20.399
at some point unless TENA, you
know, decides to really hold on him.

1971
02:24:20.639 --> 02:24:24.200
Is Joe? Do you think Joe
would work in WWB? Is there

1972
02:24:24.239 --> 02:24:28.399
anything about him that would cause triple
a spensic man, Kevin done, anybody

1973
02:24:28.440 --> 02:24:33.920
of influence to go. We don't
want this guy. I don't let it

1974
02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:41.360
give him an opportunity, man,
you know, yeah, you know,

1975
02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:46.360
there's there's a lot of Samoans in
WW right now though. Yeah, but

1976
02:24:46.760 --> 02:24:50.959
you know, Joe's not Joe.
It sounds weird to say this, but

1977
02:24:50.040 --> 02:24:54.479
Samoa Joe, there's something about him. It looks more like an American Indian

1978
02:24:54.479 --> 02:24:58.479
than the Samoan. Yeah, he's
not he's not Fumaga, he's not off

1979
02:24:58.559 --> 02:25:01.479
of He's not. No, there's
just something he's like. I'm listening to

1980
02:25:01.559 --> 02:25:05.920
him on Austin Pocket. He's just
a cool dude. Yeah, he's just

1981
02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:11.639
a cool guy. He just is. He's real. But you don't cross

1982
02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:15.440
him, like if you I almost
think, like if mislic Man has never

1983
02:25:15.520 --> 02:25:18.920
seen his work, I think Ben
should just listen to if you could strip

1984
02:25:18.959 --> 02:25:22.360
out the name Samoa Joe from the
promo and Evans just listened to this wrestler

1985
02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:26.840
named Joe talk and they edited the
audio and he listened to him. He'd

1986
02:25:26.840 --> 02:25:28.479
be like, Oh, I can
do some of this guy. What does

1987
02:25:28.479 --> 02:25:31.360
he look like? Like, Well, he's a bigger guy. You know,

1988
02:25:31.440 --> 02:25:33.079
he's kind of a bigger guy.
But he's got that mm A credibility

1989
02:25:33.079 --> 02:25:35.079
to the way he works, and
you know, he's kind. I don't

1990
02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:37.239
know if you want to say that
to Vince, but you know what I

1991
02:25:37.360 --> 02:25:39.040
say, he's he's a bigger guy. He's not real muscular, but he's

1992
02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:41.760
got you know, good solid height, a little bit above average. And

1993
02:25:43.239 --> 02:25:45.879
he carries himself like he's a badass. Yeah, and he can go toe

1994
02:25:45.959 --> 02:25:48.559
to toe like he can he can
get he can be in there with the

1995
02:25:48.600 --> 02:25:50.879
biggest of him. You know.
That's something Austen said, is Joe's unique

1996
02:25:50.920 --> 02:25:56.799
in that he can have a credible
match with Daniel Bryan or uh sem punk

1997
02:25:56.200 --> 02:26:00.879
or right back and everyone's gonna believe
all three, all three levels a guy.

1998
02:26:01.319 --> 02:26:05.920
Yeah exactly. Yeah. So I
I just think, you know,

1999
02:26:05.200 --> 02:26:11.399
he get I'm all about like the
guy getting the opportunity, you know,

2000
02:26:11.559 --> 02:26:13.959
bring a guy into what he's got. Yeah, you know, I mean

2001
02:26:15.520 --> 02:26:20.239
what against him? Besides, he
doesn't have the you know, certain body

2002
02:26:20.319 --> 02:26:26.479
type. Nothing Yeah, nothing,
yeah, nothing except for maybe the fact

2003
02:26:26.559 --> 02:26:30.799
that he's a TNA guy. Yeah
yeah, I don't know, he should

2004
02:26:30.799 --> 02:26:35.479
be seen as an ROH guy.
And sure de tour at TNA. Sure

2005
02:26:35.559 --> 02:26:41.200
he should probably lead TNA and and
UH and go to Japan for a couple

2006
02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:45.239
of years. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's not fair, it's not great,

2007
02:26:45.319 --> 02:26:48.200
but just so wash the TNA off
of it. Yeah, because I

2008
02:26:48.239 --> 02:26:52.239
mean I just don't think Vincent Hunter
want to think that TENA is their feet

2009
02:26:52.239 --> 02:27:03.159
A promotion for that accounts for something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You

2010
02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:05.000
don't have to wait for the weight
Keiller Pro Wrestling post show to find out

2011
02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:07.799
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2012
02:27:07.920 --> 02:27:13.440
check out my reports that are updated
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2013
02:27:13.479 --> 02:27:16.959
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you what's happening in detail in case you

2014
02:27:18.040 --> 02:27:22.040
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2015
02:27:22.079 --> 02:27:26.159
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2016
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2017
02:27:31.639 --> 02:27:35.680
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2018
02:27:35.719 --> 02:27:39.280
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2019
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2020
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2021
02:27:48.120 --> 02:28:03.239
Written reports are cool and then uh
is zach Ryder. I get emails

2022
02:28:03.239 --> 02:28:05.079
on this all the time, so
I gotta throw it to you. He

2023
02:28:05.239 --> 02:28:09.559
gotta push In part this is my
answer to people. He got to push

2024
02:28:09.639 --> 02:28:13.639
above what management things he deserved because
he initially he took such initiation on social

2025
02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:18.040
media. Then after he they sampled
him in a promocina, they started to

2026
02:28:18.120 --> 02:28:20.559
really see the things about him that
they felt. This the guy's not a

2027
02:28:20.639 --> 02:28:24.399
top tier guy's a second tier you
know, just utility guy. They put

2028
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:28.040
him back there. He started complaining
publicly about it. I think they probably

2029
02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:31.600
got a little irked, but for
the most part just said we got more

2030
02:28:31.639 --> 02:28:33.000
things for worry about whatever, and
they just haven't thought about him since.

2031
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:39.440
Is that probably about what happened pretty
much? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2032
02:28:43.959 --> 02:28:48.239
excuse me, I got a bug
in my mouth. I he really was

2033
02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:54.719
like at that level, and he
did what Hunter was saying was lacking in

2034
02:28:54.799 --> 02:28:58.559
the guys today. Nobody is rolling
to dude, go that extra mile or

2035
02:28:58.680 --> 02:29:05.440
do something extra special. Fuck,
you know, go out on the limb,

2036
02:29:05.600 --> 02:29:11.639
you know, uh thing that you
have to do to set yourself,

2037
02:29:13.399 --> 02:29:16.399
you know, make you stand out. Yeah, oppose all the rest of

2038
02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:24.000
him, you know. Yeah,
we're running to Bob Holly. Transcript from

2039
02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:26.799
his couple appearances on the Live cast
that in VF. You have to show

2040
02:29:26.360 --> 02:29:30.719
you about it right now. I
just enjoyed that out of talking with him.

2041
02:29:30.719 --> 02:29:33.120
You know, I've heard people,
you know, I've heard people say,

2042
02:29:33.120 --> 02:29:35.399
oh, he was an awful guy
in w W E total you know,

2043
02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:39.280
total jerk, volly, he's totally
in denial and maybe maybe some guys,

2044
02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:43.079
but he was always good to me. Yeah. And the thing about

2045
02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:46.120
him that I'm wondering again, because
we're running the transcript, I get more

2046
02:29:46.200 --> 02:29:50.600
questions about this is what do you
think is you're around for most of his

2047
02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:56.239
time there? What happened was he
just not quite stone called Steve Austin,

2048
02:29:56.360 --> 02:30:00.440
but kind of of the same mold, a little bit stuff other and a

2049
02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:03.760
little bit ball, a little bit
badass, a little chip on the shoulders,

2050
02:30:03.879 --> 02:30:07.559
but he just wasn't at Austin's level. So he completely got lost in

2051
02:30:07.639 --> 02:30:11.719
the mid card Or do you do
you think he got the career he deserved.

2052
02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:16.079
I think he was successful. Yeah, we talked about this before.

2053
02:30:16.360 --> 02:30:20.200
Yeah, somebody asked stump somewhere before. Yeah, I think he was successful.

2054
02:30:20.600 --> 02:30:24.280
Not everybody can be Steve Austin.
Yeah, you know, I mean

2055
02:30:26.799 --> 02:30:28.920
people say, oh, they they
should have done more with you when they

2056
02:30:30.159 --> 02:30:33.120
when they're talking to me, I'm
like, they did a lot with me,

2057
02:30:33.280 --> 02:30:35.440
man, yeah, you know,
I mean I gave them a lot

2058
02:30:35.520 --> 02:30:39.559
of reasons not to do anything with
me, and they did a lot with

2059
02:30:39.760 --> 02:30:43.479
me. Yeah, and they really
did. You know, they would have

2060
02:30:43.559 --> 02:30:48.000
given if I would have been,
you know, played ball better, that

2061
02:30:48.200 --> 02:30:52.319
I could have been way way higher. Yeah, I mean I was even

2062
02:30:52.399 --> 02:30:54.760
I was told bad as you know. I mean, so I can only

2063
02:30:54.799 --> 02:31:01.959
blame myself. But like you know, you know, it's like sediment,

2064
02:31:03.159 --> 02:31:07.520
you know, everything falls into its
into its level, you know. Yeah,

2065
02:31:07.399 --> 02:31:16.079
And uh, I always thought people
like liked Loob. I mean they

2066
02:31:16.120 --> 02:31:20.120
knew he wasn't the main event guy. Yeah, is there anything he could

2067
02:31:20.120 --> 02:31:24.159
have done in the locker room that
that would have no? Man, it

2068
02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:28.159
was on the ring, yeah,
and what was on it was I think

2069
02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.600
he could have been had more fire
in the ring like at times, or

2070
02:31:33.239 --> 02:31:37.760
just let it hang out a little
bit more, man, you know,

2071
02:31:39.040 --> 02:31:43.639
just just just give it to him, you know, give it to people.

2072
02:31:43.760 --> 02:31:46.879
And I'm really you know, like
when I go out there and I

2073
02:31:48.000 --> 02:31:52.840
just start going, you know,
you know, really getting into and you

2074
02:31:52.920 --> 02:31:58.280
know, moving around and stuff,
and like the people they feel they start

2075
02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:05.719
getting with that, like you know, uh, he never like he was

2076
02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:09.680
he oh he he was kind of
like, you know, not bland,

2077
02:32:09.799 --> 02:32:16.319
but he only kind of like I
said about not switching gears. Yeah,

2078
02:32:16.799 --> 02:32:20.159
he like that's how he was,
like like talking wise and stuff. Yeah,

2079
02:32:20.360 --> 02:32:24.239
you know, not that you got
to talk too much. But when

2080
02:32:24.280 --> 02:32:30.799
he was real now like like like
like the tough enough stuff, he's way

2081
02:32:30.879 --> 02:32:35.879
better. Yeah, I know,
that's the thing some guys. He's gotta

2082
02:32:35.920 --> 02:32:39.760
be You gotta be able to make
yourself believe it's think it's real, and

2083
02:32:39.040 --> 02:32:41.639
like to be able to cut a
good promo like Ken Shamrocks, a guy

2084
02:32:41.680 --> 02:32:46.680
who was always better and more money
when he couldn't agree more on MMA on

2085
02:32:46.799 --> 02:32:48.479
USC than when else on the LA
came on and wrestling he said, it

2086
02:32:48.479 --> 02:32:52.040
don't have to be a wrestler.
It's like Tito and uh and what do

2087
02:32:52.079 --> 02:32:56.719
you call it right now? Rampage? Yeah. Yeah, they look so

2088
02:32:56.200 --> 02:33:01.280
out of place. Yeah, like
kind of like nervousness, you know,

2089
02:33:01.639 --> 02:33:05.000
yeah here in the head bites type
of look you know, yeah, or

2090
02:33:05.040 --> 02:33:07.959
I have to be something other than
what I am because it's wrestling, right

2091
02:33:09.319 --> 02:33:11.319
Yeah, No, no, they're
right end to be like to be Tito

2092
02:33:11.479 --> 02:33:16.920
or Ts and Rampage Jackson. Yeah. And if they start doing spots it's

2093
02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:18.799
going to kill him. Oh god, I know they need to work like

2094
02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:24.479
black Lusters figured his style out good. You don't see him doing any tackle

2095
02:33:24.600 --> 02:33:28.559
drop down, get it? You
know? Well you know what I mean?

2096
02:33:28.719 --> 02:33:31.680
I know, yeah, yeah,
you can't do that. Come in

2097
02:33:31.799 --> 02:33:35.959
like that and all of a sudden
be a doing pro wrestling, you know.

2098
02:33:35.239 --> 02:33:41.000
Yeah? All right? My final, uh final topic is John Cen

2099
02:33:41.159 --> 02:33:43.280
is out now for you know,
three five six months? Wow? What

2100
02:33:43.680 --> 02:33:46.079
what? How much of an impact
does this have? And do you think

2101
02:33:46.120 --> 02:33:50.040
they have from watching you know,
Rob and just WW in general and knowing

2102
02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:54.920
the roster? Is it Daniel Bryan
cm punk Uh? You know Ray comes

2103
02:33:56.000 --> 02:33:58.920
back? Uh? Like? Do
they have Rob and Damn challenging for the

2104
02:34:00.000 --> 02:34:05.200
world titles? Is that enough baby
face power and charisma and bramatos to kind

2105
02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:07.600
of carry the brands at the end
of the year. Yes? Yeah.

2106
02:34:09.239 --> 02:34:13.399
Is it good for WWE and John
Fita to have him out of the out

2107
02:34:13.399 --> 02:34:15.959
of the way for a while and
other people you know fill in that gap?

2108
02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:20.719
Very good question. Yes, yeah, it's a terrible thing like that.

2109
02:34:20.079 --> 02:34:24.200
He got injured so bad. It
does suck for their you know,

2110
02:34:24.479 --> 02:34:28.600
as far as their plans go.
But it's going to give a lot of

2111
02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:35.159
people a big opportunity to try to
move up. And and let's see how

2112
02:34:35.239 --> 02:34:39.600
hungry guys are and and and let's
see what guys have right now. Yeah,

2113
02:34:41.159 --> 02:34:43.920
you know what I mean. Yeah, obviously they don't want to take

2114
02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:48.159
a big hit in attendance or ratings, or they won't because their brand is

2115
02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:54.079
is what sells their shows. Yeah, for the most part in my in

2116
02:34:54.200 --> 02:35:00.799
my opinion, Yeah, they announced
WWE and uh, they don't even announce

2117
02:35:00.840 --> 02:35:05.000
a card, I know, you
know, and they sell they sell a

2118
02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:07.799
lot of ticket. It's kind of
a different world in that respect. Well,

2119
02:35:07.879 --> 02:35:13.239
that's they did a lot of work
and and and getting that brand over.

2120
02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:16.639
Yeah, you know, that brand
is the is the most valuable thing

2121
02:35:16.719 --> 02:35:22.120
they have. Yep. Were you
were you surprised that Danny Bryan got a

2122
02:35:22.239 --> 02:35:26.440
clean pit on seen at the time
or especially knowing in retrospect he was going

2123
02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:30.280
to be out for a while.
Nope, Yeah, not surprised at all.

2124
02:35:30.520 --> 02:35:35.200
Yeah, I think they would have
done it anyways. Yeah. Uh,

2125
02:35:35.319 --> 02:35:39.440
and Randy Orton is he is he
ready to be the more than anyone

2126
02:35:39.479 --> 02:35:41.959
else the centerpiece guy for the rest
of the year, because I think I

2127
02:35:41.040 --> 02:35:46.399
think it will be a heel centric
Uh, They'll build a brand in a

2128
02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:48.559
kind of a heal centric way.
Because Randy's just still good. I think

2129
02:35:48.639 --> 02:35:54.040
that he needs to act like his
heel self, and I think the people

2130
02:35:54.479 --> 02:35:58.680
can't help but cheer him. And
I think they should not let him,

2131
02:35:58.040 --> 02:36:01.959
not have him age a bit,
but still have him work with heels.

2132
02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:07.680
You want him to work. I
want him to be Randy Orton, uh

2133
02:36:09.440 --> 02:36:13.000
in that baby face spot, but
kind of like punk because is in a

2134
02:36:13.040 --> 02:36:18.760
baby face the same The same goes
for Randy and because I just the way

2135
02:36:18.879 --> 02:36:20.520
Randy and I don't what's money in
the bank and that's the gimmick. But

2136
02:36:20.840 --> 02:36:24.760
the way he won that title and
the way he would was unapologetic about the

2137
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.159
way he won the title. How
can how can people in my people are

2138
02:36:28.239 --> 02:36:31.920
gonna like him? Anyways? Well, I'm not saying, I'm saying if

2139
02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:33.760
they do the promotion and Randy Orton
aren't doing their job, I think they

2140
02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:37.159
should get Randy over as a heel. I think they need him to be

2141
02:36:37.239 --> 02:36:41.719
okay, then then then that's awesome
too. Yeah, But you're right.

2142
02:36:41.760 --> 02:36:45.200
I mean Randy's the biggest star on
that show. I mean he's a bigger,

2143
02:36:45.360 --> 02:36:46.959
bigger star in a lot of people's
eyes and Punk and Brian. So

2144
02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:50.040
people are going to just cheer for
a star, and I get that,

2145
02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:56.440
but I think the new smart fan
is booing the heels that they respect and

2146
02:36:56.559 --> 02:37:01.520
love, not cheering the lead the
heels that they respect and love. That's

2147
02:37:01.520 --> 02:37:05.639
the best way to enjoy wrestling is
to be a fan and not just go

2148
02:37:05.840 --> 02:37:09.079
against everything just to proof our smart
yard. It took a while to get

2149
02:37:09.120 --> 02:37:13.200
people to start getting with that too, you know. And I think it's

2150
02:37:13.280 --> 02:37:16.319
I think Randy Orton is so good
at what he does, and I think

2151
02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:20.280
there's there might be a way to
get people to say to get the fact

2152
02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:22.600
that when you cheer a guy you'd
like and he's a heal, you're you're

2153
02:37:22.600 --> 02:37:26.559
pissing on him, okay, And
and I'd like I just think of twenty

2154
02:37:26.600 --> 02:37:31.639
thirteen, it's time for fans.
But the baby face doesn't, that doesn't

2155
02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:35.000
bring it. It's not gonna happen. That's true. That's my whole that's

2156
02:37:35.079 --> 02:37:39.479
my whole fear of that. Yeah, that's a good point too. I

2157
02:37:39.559 --> 02:37:41.879
mean Yeah, you're right. Fans
are going to cheer for the guy who's

2158
02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:46.840
got the most confidence in the most
admirable traits and the guy that you know,

2159
02:37:46.920 --> 02:37:50.079
the fans look up to the most, the biggest star yep, yep,

2160
02:37:50.159 --> 02:37:52.840
the guy who pairs himself like he
is a star and and and can

2161
02:37:52.920 --> 02:37:56.719
back it up with great work and
a rest. Yea cool, Sean,

2162
02:37:56.000 --> 02:38:01.520
thank you. I hopefully went long
enough where he sounded disappointed an hour and

2163
02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:03.200
fifteen minutes ago on the show when
the Life of Many, I ain't even

2164
02:38:03.200 --> 02:38:07.639
been counting a cool we're going on. I wouldn't even tell you all two

2165
02:38:07.639 --> 02:38:13.920
and a half hours. It's great. Catch it up tells you what kind

2166
02:38:13.959 --> 02:38:18.159
of life I lead these days.
Friday night, it just happens everything.

2167
02:38:18.360 --> 02:38:22.319
You're forty now, so forty one
buddy, Yeah, you're in your forties

2168
02:38:22.360 --> 02:38:28.040
now. Yeah, so you know, nobody expects you to be out partying

2169
02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:33.399
nor even apologizing for not being our
party. Yeah yeah, I just you

2170
02:38:33.479 --> 02:38:35.559
know, every now and again,
I go out, and you know,

2171
02:38:35.200 --> 02:38:39.120
for an occasion, but not just
for the sake of going out. Yeah

2172
02:38:39.559 --> 02:38:41.479
yeah, yeah, I don't want
to be around a bunch of drunks when

2173
02:38:41.479 --> 02:38:46.319
I'm not drunk. I don't like
drinking or just a bunch of you know,

2174
02:38:46.879 --> 02:38:48.719
people who are at a different place
in life. And sure, yeah,

2175
02:38:48.840 --> 02:38:52.920
you know, sure I go to
concerts and stuff like that. Yeah,

2176
02:38:54.000 --> 02:38:58.520
you know, uh like I went
saw Corrigan when when Smashing Pumpkins were

2177
02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:01.639
We're here and you know, they
had a big music festival and stuff and

2178
02:39:03.520 --> 02:39:07.559
you know, cow Heads band played
and you know things like that. You

2179
02:39:07.639 --> 02:39:11.000
know, that's the active in the
community of that. Ye. So you

2180
02:39:11.079 --> 02:39:16.639
know I do at charity stuff.
Well it's cool that you might be doing

2181
02:39:16.680 --> 02:39:18.879
a podcast too, so keep us
up there. Yeah man, yeah,

2182
02:39:18.920 --> 02:39:24.399
I just you know, it's finding
the right people to to be on on

2183
02:39:24.559 --> 02:39:28.079
board with you on something like that. Yeah, Like I mean I can't

2184
02:39:28.120 --> 02:39:31.200
do that that alone. I don't
have that ability. Uh. And I

2185
02:39:31.319 --> 02:39:37.000
know there's a lot of great Uh, there's a lot of really talented people

2186
02:39:37.319 --> 02:39:39.719
people out there on the internet,
Wade, Like somebody just sent me.

2187
02:39:41.399 --> 02:39:46.040
I mean, just you know,
the the you're you're fans, I mean,

2188
02:39:46.159 --> 02:39:52.559
you're you're subscribers, the people just
the people out there like that are

2189
02:39:52.719 --> 02:39:56.120
on the internet like that that pay
attention to us. They are So there's

2190
02:39:56.319 --> 02:40:03.280
some of those people are so talented
at like graphics or video producing or things

2191
02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:05.959
like that. I mean, it's
crazy some of the stuff people have made

2192
02:40:05.040 --> 02:40:09.520
me. Yeah, yeah, you
know, so, Like I just i'ld

2193
02:40:09.559 --> 02:40:13.600
like to get somebody to like,
uh, to do that, to do

2194
02:40:13.760 --> 02:40:16.280
that with the podcast thing. Yeah, no, I the readers of The

2195
02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:20.879
Torch over the years, in so
many different ways have they're they're stepping up

2196
02:40:20.920 --> 02:40:24.079
and saying, hey, I got
a special skill and I know you're a

2197
02:40:24.120 --> 02:40:26.760
small business and I want to help
you in this way. It's like the

2198
02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:28.840
great things for my business. So
I know what you're talking about. That's

2199
02:40:28.920 --> 02:40:33.360
cool. Here's my dilemma on it, Wade. Yeah, you know how

2200
02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:39.920
like everything is so you know,
add society, short attention span, all

2201
02:40:39.000 --> 02:40:43.399
this crape, Like, Okay,
we just did two hours in thirty minutes.

2202
02:40:45.760 --> 02:40:48.639
Do you think that that's less people
are going to be likely to listen

2203
02:40:48.639 --> 02:40:54.559
to that being that long? Like
or should I like, I mean,

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if it's it's just hard, like
one question for me takes a half an

2205
02:40:58.479 --> 02:41:01.719
Hourady answered to christ say, yeah, we are only on question five.

2206
02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:05.559
No, No, I don't think
that's in it. I think it's all

2207
02:41:05.559 --> 02:41:09.360
about format and it's all about what
people respect. I think if you're going

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02:41:09.399 --> 02:41:11.319
to go on YouTube and do a
YouTube show, I think if you're at

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02:41:11.319 --> 02:41:15.639
three minutes and fifty seconds, that's
probably about the right length for a YouTube

2210
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show. But if you're going to
but if if you want to do a

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podcast, or someone's going to put
it in their car, uh, you

2212
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know, on their MP three flare
in the car for a road trip.

2213
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They're gonna take it on the jog, They're gonna take it to the health

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club, they're gonna put it on
while they're doing some housework. Uh,

2215
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that that format works. I mean
two and a half is you know hours

2216
02:41:35.719 --> 02:41:39.760
is an exception. But I think
when you know we are depends on who

2217
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you're doing it with, like who
your guest is too. Well, it

2218
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does And I said we by definition, our audience is the Torch audience expects

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an in depth interview, and we've
driven away the people who don't want it

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02:41:52.280 --> 02:41:56.440
and we've attracted the people who do. So it's just kind of an evolutionary

2221
02:41:56.520 --> 02:41:58.959
thing. You know, people who
are people who come to the Torch are

2222
02:42:00.120 --> 02:42:01.120
going to listen to a long interview. If that's what you're good at,

2223
02:42:01.200 --> 02:42:03.440
that's what you want to do,
then that's what you have a passion for

2224
02:42:03.520 --> 02:42:05.520
it, and then you do a
long one and the audience there will be

2225
02:42:05.559 --> 02:42:07.799
an audience for it. If that's
not what you're going to be good at,

2226
02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:11.319
then don't do it. But I
don't think you should do only you

2227
02:42:11.360 --> 02:42:13.840
know, a twenty minute now.
I don't think it's possible to be honest

2228
02:42:13.879 --> 02:42:18.280
with you. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. So Yeah, I just I

2229
02:42:18.559 --> 02:42:20.840
believe you do what you do,
what you think you're good at, and

2230
02:42:20.920 --> 02:42:24.520
what you have a passion for,
and then try to find, you know,

2231
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try to make sure the audience that'll
that'll like it can find you.

2232
02:42:28.000 --> 02:42:31.040
Yeah. Cool. Thank you for
the advice. I'm that sure. Thank

2233
02:42:31.079 --> 02:42:35.559
you. Thanks for all your time
today too. Don't worry about it,

2234
02:42:35.639 --> 02:42:37.520
man, it's always fun, very
good. Well, thanks to all the

2235
02:42:37.600 --> 02:42:41.680
VAT members for sending in your topics
and your emails and also sending for calling

2236
02:42:41.760 --> 02:42:46.840
the show earlier in and yeah,
everybody can go to NWL wolfstac dot com

2237
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too. And according to in according
to Sean, buy the damn paper you

2238
02:42:50.959 --> 02:42:54.360
quit stealing it. Yeah, that
would be a good idea. Yeah.

2239
02:42:54.920 --> 02:43:01.559
Well here's my thing. Get some
friends and chip everybody chipped them for Christ's

2240
02:43:01.559 --> 02:43:03.879
sakes, yeah, you know,
or to go to the Waiting House or

2241
02:43:05.079 --> 02:43:07.680
Buffalo Wild Wings or whatever the hell
the name of the place says, that

2242
02:43:07.799 --> 02:43:13.440
shows it for free and you know, can buy your soda and nurse your

2243
02:43:13.520 --> 02:43:16.200
soda the whole time, and don't
tip the lady before you leave. No,

2244
02:43:16.399 --> 02:43:18.440
you got a tip too. That's
don't be one of those rests.

2245
02:43:18.479 --> 02:43:22.399
Well, that's a whole. That's
a whole wrap on rests at those places.

2246
02:43:22.559 --> 02:43:26.040
Yep. Well, and that's kind
of what I feel about paper.

2247
02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:28.280
If you're if you would go to
a restaurant and and if you think you

2248
02:43:28.319 --> 02:43:31.840
could get away with walking out without
paying the bill, or even more so

2249
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because you feel all the food is
marked up so much and they throw so

2250
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much away in the back, they're
not going to really miss anything. So

2251
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you don't tip, and you don't
pay the bill and you walk out,

2252
02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:41.719
you know, or you have even
if you pay the bill but you don't

2253
02:43:41.760 --> 02:43:46.559
tip. That's I mean, it's
it's a it's an anonymous crime and you

2254
02:43:46.600 --> 02:43:48.840
can get away with it, but
it's kind of dick it. It's flame

2255
02:43:48.920 --> 02:43:52.719
of shit, man. Yeah,
it really is, like people should be

2256
02:43:52.719 --> 02:43:56.719
ashamed of theirselves that do that kind
of stuff. Yeah, I mean I

2257
02:43:56.760 --> 02:44:01.200
don't you know, I mean they
really should. Yeah. I My comeback

2258
02:44:01.239 --> 02:44:07.319
to that too is it's my old
Sam Goody analogy. If Sam Goody hadn't

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raised a price of CDs from eleven
ninety nine to twenty six ninety nine for

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a new release right before the bubble
burst on CDs and that after came around,

2261
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then people want to ben looking for
something reasonable. And my counter argument

2262
02:44:18.920 --> 02:44:22.879
everything you said and I've said so
far is WS be careful and ufcs to

2263
02:44:22.879 --> 02:44:26.120
be careful when people feel gouged,
when they feel that they love a product

2264
02:44:26.159 --> 02:44:28.000
and they feel an ownership in it, and they feel that the corporation has

2265
02:44:28.040 --> 02:44:31.440
taken advantage of it just to please
Wall Street and they're gouging them in order

2266
02:44:31.479 --> 02:44:35.719
for them to see their favorites and
something that they're invested in, then they

2267
02:44:35.799 --> 02:44:37.520
rebel and they look for free places
to see it. And so my counter

2268
02:44:37.639 --> 02:44:43.840
argument to that is the promoters and
the corporations that run these shows, they

2269
02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:48.319
have to keep the price as low
as they can. Well, well they

2270
02:44:48.360 --> 02:44:50.239
have to give him as Losy can
will still making a healthy profit, but

2271
02:44:50.799 --> 02:44:56.600
don't test the fans by gouging them
because they will rationalize at that point finding

2272
02:44:56.639 --> 02:44:58.920
other means to get it and the
technologies out there. So that's my counterar

2273
02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:03.239
give it to it speak and it's
a good one. And speaking of which,

2274
02:45:03.159 --> 02:45:09.600
I gotta give it up to Kid
Rock for for his dance like on

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the on the Rolling Stones with their
with their outrageous concert ticket prices and and

2276
02:45:16.000 --> 02:45:20.639
you know his are like fifteen dollars
or something crazy like that. Yeah,

2277
02:45:20.840 --> 02:45:26.520
you know, I mean, I
just think that's is how much money more

2278
02:45:26.559 --> 02:45:30.879
money the Rolling Stones need for Christis? I know, I know, I

2279
02:45:30.959 --> 02:45:33.799
know what you're saying. Yeah,
all right, man, cool, Thanks

2280
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Sean, Thanks the IPP members.
Hopefully Sean will be back soon when we've

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