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Colonel Beans, y'all security, a
good evening, a good evening, a

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party people. I'm back with you
as a DJ, and I want to

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tell you it's a show calling out
beans. You know the stuffs that are

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gonna talk about now, okay,
And I want to introduce everybody here to

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my guy. He's a smart guy. He knows all kind of stuffs about

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UFO. You can ask him,
and he knows a lot of days are

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very very intellectual. No, so
let me tell you something. Okay.

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I want all your people, UFO
Twitter put your hands together, right,

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and I want you to welcome my
guy, my brother, my other half,

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an effaity, anathion. Yes,
suh give it that an son a

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bunch of said a senior Anythian.
Wow, that is There's no way I

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can top that. I can't believe
that level you into that. It's incredible,

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incredible, but I'm gonna try.
So here we go the man with

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the biggest heart, my brother from
New York, UFO Twitter's own DJ stand

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Marco. Thank you, Nathan.
That was an amazing, amazing run.

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I know that if I'm having some
learning us issues that you are all over

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this like gravy on rice yes,
so that would be the end of my

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intros from henceforth. No, No, we can't, Nathan, and we're

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nine episodes in, you know,
I mean that's like saying that that Singularity

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Mike isn't gonna grow hairback. You
don't know that. You don't know that

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he could Yeah, touched by an
Angel's hair comes back touched. Yeah,

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I mean he could go with ANGELI
come back with a full head of hair,

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look like Brad Pitt in seven.
You never know. Wow. So

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well, No, we We've got
an extra guest here as well. There's

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somebody in the background, a huge
celebrity in the community that we are blessed

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to have with us this evening.
I'm gonna bring her on. Hold up,

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hold up, man, this,
hold up man, No, this

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this this is a legend. We're
talking about the most positive force on UFO

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Twitter bar none. Okay. We
are so excited for this woman bringing it

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every day artistically, making people laugh, making people feel love, part of

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people. Put those hands together.
Fuck Texas own Acshi, Chris, I

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don't even know what to say.
Cash was like after that issue. I

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think yes, like Linda Richmond from
New York, I'm fuck clubbed to pop

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I love you, Mama love Okay, So anyway, the show, the

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energy of this show is far surpassing, not a farm, so excited to

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have you with. You're on mute
too, so hopefully we can uh yeah,

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you're on mute. But but everybody, when you say the word Akashi,

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I want you to put your hands
up like this. Okay, right,

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Nathan, can we see you?
Just can you just do a test

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run? I'm like a Bram Stoker. Yes, thank you, Yeah,

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Akshi, there you go, all
right, there we go. Yeah,

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we're doing and it's all right.
So we got all this pop references.

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Mute you see if this works?
Okay, see if I can unmute her.

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Let's see. I can't unmute your
mat unfortunately, Akashi. I want

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you to know that technical issues.
All I got a calling. I'm like,

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not a problem, welcome, all
right, excited? All right,

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now, it's enough foolishness. Okay, you guys are really immature. You're

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not like me, okay, because
I am together mature, an adult like

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you're like the example, yes,
alt together the people. Oh there's Grant,

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Oh my god, well Grant,
why are you not here? Blurry's

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in the house. What's up?
Girlfriend? And James and Lara? Lara,

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we spoke. No, it's all
good. I spoke with you down

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there. What's up Lara? Welcome
Ben buzz Glide. What's up? Homes

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Grant? I can't believe your brother's
here? Grant? This is he should

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be on right now? Why are
you not on? Grant? Log on?

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What are you doing? All right? So Yoda you know where you

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Yoda? All right, we gotta
do some serious UFO talk, guys,

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So it's time to adult it up. Button it up like I only have

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one more button anyway, Uh,
button it up? Nathan smoking pipe?

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Please all right? Sherlock Holmes in
the house, Arthur, Sir, Arthur

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Conan Doyle. Let's get something Nathan. Start off with our first topic.

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You got some lists today or you
want me to rock this? I want

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you to take the first one.
Okay, okay, Oh, how Nathan

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came into the UFO space. So
I'm sorry, unfortunately, Nathan, this

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one is you. So that's the
first question. Okay? Great from de

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deb a study of UFOs and u
aps. Deb. Yeah. Shout out

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to Deb who's doing amazing things with
research in this space. Her diligence going

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through all those records and archives.
I mean incredible. So how did I

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get into this? You know,
I've always had a little bit of an

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interest in the sci fi kind of
thing, but you know, probably I

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don't know, five or six years
ago, just started hearing about little rumors

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here and there about Tom DeLong and
some kind of crazy, uh you know,

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sort of theory that he had that
UFOs were real, that he was

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talking to people, and like a
lot of folks that kind of shrugged that

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off, not thinking too much about
it. But then December twenty seventeen happened

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with the New York Times and the
videos that we are all familiar with.

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It just sucked me right in.
Wanted to be a part of this conversation

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and really kind of just started following
folks in the Twitter space just to get

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a sense of what the Twitter you
know, vibe was with UFOs and found

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so many interesting people kind of like
a second tribe, if you will,

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of folks that are really interested in
these big topics. And you know,

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there's a huge spectrum of thought in
UFO Twitter, as you know, DJ

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talking to lots of different folks,
and Akashi also like seeing the wide spectrum

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of voices that are out there,
and I find that really exciting because it's

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not you know, we're not all
on the same page. We've got a

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lot of different ideas, a lot
of different you know, kind of hopes

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or thoughts wrapped up in this topic. And for me that's really energizing.

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I like kind of things and fears
and fears, no, man, definitely

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tons of fears, and I think
that's very human, right, that's kind

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of who we are, and ippreciate
that that, you know, we're like

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one human family tackling this topic together. Yeah, And I want to say,

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just to follow up with Nathan,
I also was a sci fi person.

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I grew up watching the original Star
Trek and when my parents told me

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what time I was born at night, I was like, oh wow,

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I I was alive in time for
Star Trek because that's how much I was

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into that series. So I was
also watched consumed everything sci fi, just

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like Nathan been fascinated with Star Wars
Blew Me Away. Obviously. I saw

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that in the theater in seventy seven. I was ten exactly ten years old,

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and it was just like, wow, we'll get into like how we

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came together, but you know what
since we got a celebrity up in this

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joint, Goshi Chris. Really,
you see, I thought I was gonna

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ask can you hear me? Yes? Mess Okay, I thought I was

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gonna ask questions. But you are
okay, you are? Yeah, this

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is cool. So my background,
so I'm from Puerto Rico and I grew

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up in Puerto Rico and until I
was seventeen. So as far as my

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background, I mean, I always
believe that I'm not an experiencer. I

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haven't seen anything, but I don't
need to see to realize what's happening around

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me, you know, and I'm
looking at things and I'm not gullible in

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any way. But I've always believed
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out there and in being in Puerto
Rico. It's funny because you get the

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threat of we're gonna take you do
a doom key and the aliens are going

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to kidnap you. That's just part
of a narrative. It's like a family

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thing. You know, everybody talks
about it. Zoom guys. Just you

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know at Chupacaba is in prime you
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like in the six o'clock news.
I remember last time I visited and whenever

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I talked Puerto Rican started getting an
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naturally. Love it, love it. I mean, things like that were

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very natural. So and then in
the last I think it was pandemic.

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It started making me think and looking
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Ufo, Twitter and into you see
r in Ufo Jane, and from there

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it just kind of took off.
And I am obsessed because you don't know

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how great the puzzle, how big
the puzzle is, and how minute the

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pieces of that puzzle are. So
if anything from that from that perspective,

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you don't know how WU is WU
anymore. You know, the things they

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talked about before are just kind of
normal now. So that's that, and

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I'm I'm My concern for the future
is the people that don't think anything is

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out there and how they will do. And I think that that's where we

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play a role, that we can
help people kind of, you know,

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kind of bridge the gap between people
that think that there's nothing outside and us

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that we kind of we're a little
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looking into it and more and more
open minded. So anyway, so that's

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why I'm here, And because you
asked me, dj I love did you

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make it? We love you?
Good to have you with us. What

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is it inside you that makes you
want to make so many people in our

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community feel loved? I mean I
come in with with pure heart and intention.

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That's all I can say. And
I'm here to help and I love

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you know when when you make somebody
laugh, that makes my day just as

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much. And laughter to me,
it's like the greatest therapy of them all.

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You know. It's like you could
have a really crappy day and I

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could look down and look at you
know, Flair's Twitter and just laugh my

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And I'm not gonna curse because I'm
trying to be cool, but I love

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my butt off and it just makes
everything go away. And it's like if

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you can connect with somebody, or
if I can reach out to a politician

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and maybe maybe have somebody listen,
you know, one person listen. If

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we don't try, we're never gonna
get anywhere. And we can only try

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in little bits and pieces. So
I'm also going to be recruiting some people

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to the cost. Yeah, I've
got some. I came from kind of

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politics, which I don't get into
but my group of activists are dying for

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or chumping at the bit for some
activism. So I'm like, hmm,

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maybe maybe I recruit them. So
anyway, that there are many people in

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this space that will ascribe a certain
importance to you know, and I'll tell

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you that I can't think of many, and even I can include myself,

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Nathan, but I can't think of
many that are as important as you.

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For that very reason, I realize
you diverged away from the positivity. That

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was pretty slick. But but yeah, well that's okay. You know what,

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we'll celebrate you. No, I
just want to be real and nice

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and kind and promote an environment where
we don't cancel each other out because I

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seen it be so bad in another
area. So it's just you know,

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I try to promote that. So
that is something I try to promote because

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I just think it's healthy. We
only listen to each other, you know.

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You share our vision, You share
our vision of what Nathan I have

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to bring. And maybe we'll get
into that later, Nathan, but I

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want to get into the UFO talk
now and we can circle back to how

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we came together. But I think
people are going to want to hear some

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meat and potatoes right now, So
let's get into it. Nathan, did

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you have something that or Akashi,
did you want to ask your question first

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or would you like to wait?
I think I want to wait because I

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want to hear a little bit more
about your backstory, and then my question

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kind of comes at the end.
Okay, I know, Nathan, Nathan,

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my brother, what do you got, man? What's the first thing

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you that on that list that really
jumped off the page at you? Because

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there was some great questions from Lucy
Bell and deb and Rodney. Yes,

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you know, there's been a lot
of we're in a bit of a some

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might say we've been in a bit
of a lull in terms of real sort

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of tangible information that has come out
in UFO twitter land. And as you

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guys know, when we hit these
lulls, we kind of like there's a

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disturbance in the forest and the community
starts kind of getting into a lot of

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arguments. You know, we kind
of we kind of devolve into some of

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these, you know, very simplistic
stances, and you know, DJ,

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I'd love to get your thoughts on, you know, how do you kind

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of see the diversity of viewpoints in
the community, and what is your kind

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of philosophy on like maintaining some diversity, but you know, also kind of

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keeping the peace and and you know, how do you have you approach that?

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I think I like to use the
black, white, gray metaphor,

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and you guys have heard me use
it on spaces. And there are so

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many interesting opinion and people that have
different types of intelligence, because there isn't

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one type like Nathan and I don't
have the exact same type of intelligence,

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and Akashi and many, you know, literally hundreds of people in our community.

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So what I try to look at
is that we can have go in

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all these diverse directions and entertain things. But we also want to try to

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see if we can look at some
some some facts and some events that have

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occurred, like what you know,
you saw what Dan Warren posted today about

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several people getting behind the Gilibrand resolution
in the Senate, not the least of

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which is Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Roy Blunt. And forgive me if

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I don't remember all the co sponsors
of that legislation. But if we can

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look at a set of facts and
entertain the possibility of how we got here,

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and perhaps leave our our prejudices aside
and say, okay, I can

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I can feel this about this set
of circumstances that happened, but I can

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also look and say, you know
what, that is a day fact.

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That is a fact of what happened
and what led up to that. And

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I may not be comfortable with all
the tangents that surround that, but we

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can agree that it happened and what
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So I like to say life is
in the gray. If we say one

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side is black and one side is
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all that. Really, it's the
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be someone in our community that's controversial
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a significant amount of facts and meaning
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because it is perfect metaphor. Yeah, it's a very prevalent and sort of

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image that we have going around with
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think a lot about our show,
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we would touch on it later,
and I think, you know, this

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makes me want to touch on it
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just kind of happened. They fell
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I met really kind of by accident
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Andy from that you and you know, a huge, huge podcast there and

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a great guy, and he put
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you know, kind of hit it
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call the show, and we came
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the great idea of using the taxi
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that's honestly, it's a great image
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you know, we've all had like
great cab rights. We've all had

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those cab rights that are a little
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in a cab or an uber or
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me, it's a chance for me
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only going to know for fifteen twenty
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when I'm asking questions like they just
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me about their life, where they've
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I'm just really there to listen and
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ride. And that's what we're all
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on a ride together, and I
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want to know where they're from,
what they're interested in, what drives them,

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and for me, the truth,
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DJ, the truth is really sort
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different stories, and we need all
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to that truth because it's not no
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you know, be pretty skeptical of
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going on here. Nobody knows.
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your point there, Nathan, And
it is a symmetry of people coming together.

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I think it's very painful for Nathan
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a Tim McMillan arguing with the Joe
Mergia, or we see John forgive me

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the researcher gentleman yet John Greenwald arguing
with with with somebody else or Stephen green

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Street and and and uh and Ross
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we find that painful because we see
value in what every one of them brings

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and says in the community, and
we see no value and then picking at

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one another. So we we kind
of wish that people would try to see

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if they can extract some value and
then you know, and then step away

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from something that maybe they do find
slightly objectionable, which is as human nature

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after all. Yeah, Yeah,
And to provide a platform for us to

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really have a conversation. I think
the Twitter. As great as it is

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for really kind of just getting there, seeing lots of different thoughts at once,

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and getting little news bites that come
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a long form discussion and argument of
any kind. It's it really brings out

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the worst in people when it kind
of goes in that direction. So to

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have folks on our show who may
have different opinions and we can have a

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chance to chat it out and see
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a maybe an agree to tod disagree, but in a civil way. That's

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what I want to be able to
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people down and say, well you're
not you're not you don't meet my purity

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test for this community, and therefore
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a little bit more about us.
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him, you know I said this
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almost like Andy and I were just
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man, listen to this guy talk. Can you believe this? I mean,

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he's amazing. I was like I
was immediately I want to DM you

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know, I told him, please
DM me after the show and I want

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to talk to him, and not
knowing that he was going to be my

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partner yet, we were just going
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the guy's amazing. I mean,
let's face it, everybody knows that

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we both agree on when you come
on this program, we want you to

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feel more loved than you thought you
could feel coming on a show that you

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know, you're welcome here, You're
loved here, and that's our goals to

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make you feel really super comfortable and
you guys saw when we had Rick on.

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You know, Rick is a older
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of tough interviewer. Nathan and I
spent hours apart and then at least an

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hour together studying up for that of
how we would approach it, and we

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really wanted to feel a kinship with
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You know, we weren't going to
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we could be the really cool,
you know, interviewer Morey Safer, Mike

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Wallace sixty minutes guy, because that's
going to get, you know, with

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a trained interrogator. And so you
know, that's just an example. We

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want everybody to come here and feel
love. So we philosophically we agree on

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all those things about how to treat
other humans, even if our approach to

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it is slightly different. I obviously
take the meadhead humor approach. Nathan takes

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the serious approach, but he loves
people the same way. He speaks glowingly

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of all of you when we're on
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text is very impersonal. So when
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communication according to the beings that she's
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think in my mind that that refers
to now we want to text people.

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I don't have time to call you. I don't want to talk to you.

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I want to get like twenty characters
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you later. To me, this
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can have other than being in person. When I get to look in your

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eyes, I get to feel the
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your metaphors uh that that are lost
uh in digitization. So that's that's

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what we hope to bring, is
to be able to interact. And everybody

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knows that because there's probably more people
on UFO Twitter that have my phone number

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than you would believe. And I
don't care. I've had people call me

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from all over and I'm happy to
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I mean you've been more than welcoming. You guys have been just I

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mean, I have felt so much
love from you guys. So that was

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your mission and mission accomplished because that's
definitely something that that comes across with your

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interactions with you know me, and
and the way that I see you guys

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treat other people. And I mean, that's really what it's all about.

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Most of the arguments, when you
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splitting hairs because we're still all on
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It's like, that's the unity,
that's the book. You know,

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we all are on the side that
believes in something that others might not even

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care, you know, might not
believe it or care about, you know,

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honestly, so you know, for
whatever it's worth. So if that's

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what you were doing, then then
bravo because you did it. Thank you,

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ma'am. And I just want to
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just pointed this out perfectly. There
might be one hundred and seventy five million

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people in this country that don't believe
that there is a different intelligence that's interacting

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with us. But of the rest
of the of the other one hundred and

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twenty five million, Joe Mergia and
Tim McMillan are two of them, and

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they agree on that. And it's
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people go, you're a nutcase,
like, get out of my face.

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I mean they could go to you
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you know what I'm going to see
up over there. So yeah, they

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should celebrate that they can agree on
those basic facts. They can have that

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conversation and not feel like, oh, they're going to go laugh at the

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hippie. You know, you know
it's what level of hippie? Because what

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level of woo is woo? We
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for whatever, I mean, Louise
and I should agree on what's better,

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you know, your traditional Cuban sandwich
or media not. I mean we should

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be able to talk about this,
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you're a little bit Italian Puerto Ricana. All right, all right, let's

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get with some questions and let's go
with some UFOs. You tighten it up,

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tight shoes up. Oh my question, my questions? Oh you're gonna

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do yours? Okay, all right, Oh, did you ask me a

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question? To ask you a question? Misunderstood the assignment. So I'm going

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to ask you guys a question.
So you know, in looking at you

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guys, you guys are obviously very
aligned, But what if you had to

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kind of identify one thing that you're
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things that make you go hmmm.
So Nathan, I'm going to give you

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I was I thought we were going
to have like a timer and stuff.

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I was just I'm just joking.
That's for the round. We'll get that

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for you a grant and I'm scared. I'm just kidding. Grant no time,

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you got so, Nathan, So
let's start with you. So what

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is you know, when when you
guys talk, it's like, what was

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the one thing that you're like,
Yeah, well, we, as DJ

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mentioned, we have I think we
share a similar spirit, you know,

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so even if we didn't do a
disagreement, we we don't let that go

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very long before we start kind of
like, you know, we need to

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come to kind of come back together
on the on the big things. But

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I will say that, you know, it's try the right way to frame

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this. DJ. The one topic
that we've both kind of gotten into a

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disagreement on and I can't think of
really any others, to be honest,

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but it's the tik tac and kind
of you know, entertaining different theories and

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and I don't think we're going to
spend a lot of time on it on

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this chat because we could literally spend
two hours on it and we have.

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But uh, you know, DJ
brings a ton of knowledge when it comes

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to flight, and uh, and
you know, our our engineering and the

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level to where we what we've achieved
with flight. He's got some great anecdototes

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about that as well. And uh, you know, he looks at the

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tic tac H. You know,
I think from that perspective, and it's

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it's there. It really is the
right perspective to look at that object in

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terms of this does not seem like
something that we as humans you know,

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have engineered that we could even you
know, pilot whether we would pilot it,

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like are someone inside the object or
even remotely, It'll be very challenging

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for us to be able to do
that because of the high level of performance

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and many other reasons why. And
so he approaches it from that lens.

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And for myself, I tend to
entertain a lot of speculation because in part

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because I guess I I'm already talking
about aliens to begin with. So I

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sort of say, like, well, what else is anything else is possible?

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of he kind of reels me back
in sometimes from entertaining too many different theories,

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you know, because you really can
I think This is a good lesson

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for all of us. You know, when you've kind of opened one box,

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you can be like, well,
there's there's a million boxes I can

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open. Any theory is possible,
What about this? What about that?

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it's helpful to kind of revisit your biases

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and kind of say, look,
maybe it's maybe I don't need to entertain

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every single theory that is plausible,
man, and'll narrow this down a little

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bit more. And uh and say, you know, right now, based

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on what I know now, I
don't think that this is a theory worth

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chasing. I think that's probably the
best, the best way I can put

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it without us, you know,
like really getting into it. Yeah.

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I'm not trying to start something.
I'm just serious. What do you guys?

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What you know? What theories you
guys are not? You know,

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Nathan, Uh, he can textualize
my position basically perfectly. You know.

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The only thing I would add to
it is I say, I try to

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take what our knownes are and I
try to build out from there and look

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very realistically based on that, because
I know how technology that ends up.

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Uh. First of all, I
know what we're buying right now. As

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a military, I know what we're
spending money on. I know what's in

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test, I know what's not in
test, and what's in procurement, all

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these sorts of things. So I
kind of will extend out from there and

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see, okay that, but and
then I'll say, okay, so from

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where we've come from the beginning a
flight until now, this is and what

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I'm seeing, and based on how
long it takes to go from the military

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to civil, I'll say, Okay, this is probably possible. And then

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I'll look at something like that and
just be like, there's so many aspects

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of it that you would have to
understand. How we fly, and when

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I say the word fly, I
mean all that goes into that navigation,

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traffic avoidance, how we start,
stop turn, you know, the basics

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that you all know, and that's
where I've I'll come to that. So

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I'll try to find a position where
I haven't known. I'll try to build

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out from there, and then beyond
that, like when we start talking about

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the phenomenon, jeez, I'm open
to everything. I mean, I start

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talking Nathan about ultraterrestrial and we start
talking about historical things like that that Chris

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is very passionate about that. Archaeologically
speaking, there may be some significant things

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that are under the Earth right now
that would look like it's several thousand years

409
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.400
in our future today, but may
have been buried there several thousand years ago.

410
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.599
And then we start, you know, Nathan and I will talk about

411
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:15.920
you know, extraterrestrial and interdimensional and
I'm just so open and interested in all

412
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.480
those things. And all the time, you have your James, you know,

413
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:25.319
I and dollies with this his meta
perspective, and folks like Dan and

414
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.599
folks like Nathan, and folks like
Mike from the Singularity Lab, and folks

415
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.640
like Rather Be Squitting, you know, that have all these really uh interesting

416
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:40.680
ideas that provoke me to think in
ways that I hadn't thought of. So

417
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.359
that's that's the beauty of it.
That's why this works. The reason why

418
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.279
I ask about the things that you
don't agree on is because it actually brings

419
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:55.920
up the best in how you compliment
each other. That's awesome. He's going

420
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.720
to be Nathan's going to be a
really big person in the space. I

421
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.119
think there's some people that know him
now. I think there are some people

422
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.880
that are becoming aware of him.
But a lot more people exo Academia.

423
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.160
I forgot to mention him. Sorry, X, I love you. But

424
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.880
yeah, there's a lot of people
that are going to become aware of Nathan.

425
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.119
Yeah. Well, you know we
to me, it's like, this

426
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.160
is a good topic to discuss,
you know. So the somebody mentioned today

427
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:30.079
reminded us about how I think it
was. Oh it was Curt Jamongl on

428
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.240
his Yeah, on his chat with
with Mike Mattaloney. Yeah, well,

429
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.880
but he mentioned that, you know, if this topic kind of does break

430
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:45.279
more to the mainstream and becomes not
officially acknowledged by our government in a way

431
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.960
that it hasn't done thus far,
you know, we're going to have a

432
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.319
lot of folks that are going to
flood into the space that that are going

433
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.279
to want to study it and treat
it with a lot of seriousness, the

434
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.759
seriousness that we've all actually wanted it
to be treated with for a long time.

435
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.119
You know, we're hoping that we
get a lot of the best minds

436
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.640
working on this issue and helping us
understand what it is. And you know,

437
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.119
Kurt's point, I think was that
you know, when that day comes

438
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:15.519
that the folks in this little microcosm, the UFO Twitter folks, you know,

439
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.480
we're not going to get any you
know, sort of applause. We're

440
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.720
not going to get any you know, gold stars for the work that we

441
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.680
did to try to push this topic
forward. You know, we're going to

442
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.680
have to sort of be ready or
comfortable with the fact that that we may

443
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.480
have to step step aside. And
and honestly I'm okay with that, but

444
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.680
I do want to get your ear
thoughts. DJ. I mean, if

445
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.839
that day comes and that does happen, and you know what, where do

446
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.680
you see the community going? Uh, if it becomes just a thing that

447
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.920
everybody is now like this is just
a fact of life and the world is

448
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.359
acknowledged that this is real. Do
you see this community kind of dissolving or

449
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.119
do you see it growing? What
kind of you see for it in the

450
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.200
future. For two reasons, I
don't see it dissolving. In fact,

451
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.160
it may grow. And the reason
I believe that if I look at the

452
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.599
m m A community when m m
A and the UFC got really popular,

453
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.679
when uh, there were people who
were were ogs. So you know,

454
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.639
for in our space, you could
look at people like James, like Linda

455
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.000
Moulten, Howe, like Grant Cameron, like Martin Willis, Uh, people

456
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.320
that have been around for not you
know, like two years or a year,

457
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:27.960
but decades. Uh. And and
so then you you know, you

458
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.000
could look at all the guys out
like Andy and and and UCR and all

459
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.119
these people, you know, Amy, all these people that are building up

460
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:42.079
audiences and that trust them. And
I don't think that will go away if

461
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:47.440
newsperson X from NBC or ABC or
CBS or whatever come into the space.

462
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:53.320
I don't think because the credibility,
the fact that they're having to cover a

463
00:34:53.400 --> 00:35:00.360
myriad of topics that the entire spectrum
of news. I I don't think that

464
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:07.000
that our I don't like to say
the word followers, I like to say

465
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.199
friends. So I would like to
say that our friends from UFO Twitter that

466
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.960
we're engaging with every day are still
going to be there because they know that

467
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.039
we're more engaged on the topic than
people that are covering all of life.

468
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.159
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I
hope you're right. I mean, I

469
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.639
do think that, you know,
those of us who brought a passion to

470
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.000
this want to continue to be part
of that conversation in some way. And

471
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.280
you know, and even if we're
not. You know, I do think

472
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.000
about the role that UFO Twitter plays
in the topic generally. I mean,

473
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.199
I think, I know, for
fact, there are lots of folks that

474
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.199
are maybe not actively tweeting, but
they're observing the content that is produced by

475
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.679
this community that is trying to draw
attention to this topic. And so I

476
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.519
do see us as a kind of
like an energy drink, if you will,

477
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.519
for this topic for those that are
out there kind of doing work that

478
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.800
we may not be seeing. You
know, there may be a lot of

479
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.239
folks. I mean, I think
think of you know, Elizondo and Sean

480
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.599
Cahill and Jake Mann and the guys
from sky Ford. I mean, they're

481
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.679
out there, you know, doing
their thing to try to bring awareness to

482
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:15.079
this topic with a lot of players
who can really move it forward. But

483
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.800
we don't see what they're doing day
to day. You know, we're privy

484
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.599
to very little about what those guys
are actually up to. But I have

485
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.840
a feeling that they do kind of
draw from this community a sense of energy

486
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.880
and enthusiasm and that does help kind
of move them forward. At least That's

487
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.280
what I'm hearing them say. And
that does give me a sense of pride

488
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.599
and kind of what we do.
And it also helps me focus on what

489
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.000
it is that we're trying to achieve. You know, so getting distracted by

490
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:49.159
our disagreements is not actually helpful in
moving this forward in any way, shape

491
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.960
or form. But you know,
we can have disagreements. We shouldn't,

492
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:57.280
you know, kind of be little
people in that process tear down. Yeah,

493
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.840
I agree. Yeah. They frankly, you know, like Chris,

494
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.679
they they can reach people that we
can't reach. They can reach into Congress.

495
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.239
You know, just look at the
people you mentioned. Uh they can

496
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.280
reach uh into Congress. They can
uh reach over to foreign countries and be

497
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.880
respected. I mean if I if
one of us from UFO Twitter were to

498
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.480
try to make a trip to the
UK or make a trip to San Marino,

499
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.559
nobody's gonna want to meet with me
because they don't know who I am.

500
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:31.760
And when somebody of a certain whether
you like their how they got their

501
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.079
status or not, it's a fact
that people were gonna sit down at a

502
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.679
table and talk with them. The
Italian government, of the San Marinans,

503
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.280
uh, the UK, somebody from
the UK that sat down lose significant But

504
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:52.639
I got a question for y'all it's
about your boy Akashi, Avi Loebb and

505
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.119
the Galileo pra So, so what
I wanted what I'd like to ask you,

506
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.400
and I'd like to pose this question
you when you're done. I'd like

507
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:07.239
to have Nathan attack this question as
well. But first of all, I

508
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.360
love Professor Lowe. He's given us
a kind of like in the same way

509
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:16.159
that people like Lou and Chris o
bark credibility to our topic amongst a wider

510
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.679
audience. So has Avi Loa because
in this in the academic space, he's

511
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.800
this big I mean, Harvard professor. It's hard to get you know,

512
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.159
let's say I'm at Harvard or Cambridge. Right, So anyway, Oxford,

513
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:36.800
So what do you think do you
expect of those guys? Like, so,

514
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.440
if I was say, you know, Galileo Project, they're going to

515
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:45.320
produce X in terms of after they
get their equipment fielded, what do you

516
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.880
think that will be the result of
what they're able to gather and collect once

517
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:54.079
they get their sensors deployed. And
then as far as what you know results

518
00:38:54.159 --> 00:39:00.400
versus what we'll see, well,
no, you know what, I wasn't

519
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.800
even thinking about that, but results
that they'll get what do you think they

520
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.079
will discover or find if you had
to look into the imagination of your mind.

521
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:14.760
I mean, I think he's going
to get to at least understanding or

522
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.079
I'm not sure that really getting that
that evidentiary proof that everybody. You know,

523
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.280
you can put a picture in front
of anybody and they're going to find

524
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.639
a way to dispute it, even
if it's absolutely one hundred percent truth.

525
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:34.480
So I think he's going to come
out with It'll be interesting what he comes

526
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.960
out with on the interdimensional because I
think that's, you know, definitely the

527
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.559
focus, you know, some of
the focus that they're you know, the

528
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.440
government is taking and isn't his place
to put people as part of this central

529
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.840
office that are represented from Galileo projects. So that's where I'm like trying to

530
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.039
figure out from government to Galileo projects
that are going to impact what they were

531
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.360
able to deliver to us. Okay, that's interesting because I didn't even know

532
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.960
that they were going to get a
member of the Galileo team onto like the

533
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.760
UA PTF or whatever the the new
arm of the d O D is going

534
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.000
to be. And we need to
look at the chat on that one.

535
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:15.760
But I looked into that and I
thought that that's what I saw, that

536
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.679
there was like three people when you
actually look at the disclaimer and all the

537
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.000
you know, the details on it, that three people are from Abby Lowe

538
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.639
and he gets to pick whatever those
three people are. So that's where it's

539
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.119
like, now I'm thinking it.
You know, Galileo Projects supposed to be

540
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.119
looking outward, but we know that
the government is always also looking inward.

541
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:45.159
So my answer to that would have
been different before this amendment came out and

542
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.960
all of a sudden, this,
this reference to something that we would never

543
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.199
even think that would be referenced by
the government came out, so that I

544
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.639
think that changes the game, especially
if Abby is part of that team,

545
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.400
and if you know, as Louell
is on the part of the team.

546
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.599
I don't know, I'm just it
would be really interesting to see who's you

547
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:14.199
know, who's being targeted for those
positions. Yeah, hashtag Akashi Yeah not

548
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.760
me, Nathan. Yeah. So
I know that I'm muddy the waters on

549
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.599
that, but I'm sorry because I'm
like, WHOA, I'll be cool.

550
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.719
That's one question I didn't expected.
I'm good with that. I love Abby.

551
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.800
I thought it was great because you
kind of brought the topic together to

552
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.400
the bill, so that the bill, the rebranded bill, the jilibrand build

553
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.800
the say forty five ninety three.
If you read the text of who's kind

554
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.400
of who's going to be invited to
be a part of this team, I

555
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.880
mean it's pretty broad. So you
know, you've got the Galileo folks,

556
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.719
You've got SCU folks, I mean
the scientific position p UAP studies. I

557
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.760
mean that's you know, this is
the kind of team that you would want

558
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:04.360
to be working together to review this
information, to provide it with a level

559
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.280
of credibility. And and I want
to use that word carefully because I think

560
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.800
the credibility could cut one of two
ways. Right. They could go through

561
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.800
this effort and looks like I've lost
some some some lighting. Here's as pop

562
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:23.119
apologize for that. But they could
go through this effort and come out of

563
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.360
it and say, you know,
we've we've actually understand this. This is

564
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.039
the UAPs are real. They're you
know, they are something outside of the

565
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.920
Earth, they're extraterrestrial whatever. Or
they could say, you know what,

566
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.920
we've actually looked at this and all
these intelligent people have looked at it,

567
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.760
and we've realized it's uh, you
know, it really is some sort of

568
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.199
atmospheric phenomena, or it really is
an adversarial technology, or really you know,

569
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.719
but the all of these people who
are collectively kind of looking at this

570
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.880
together like these are the folks that
we would want to have to to lend

571
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.360
their seal of approval one way or
the other on this. Now, I

572
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.920
I tend to believe it's going to
fall, you know, one way or

573
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.559
not the other. But I'm so
glad to see the list of these professionals

574
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.440
that are included in this initiative because
it gives me hope that it's not just

575
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.760
you know, the traditional government folks
that we're that we've been seeing for so

576
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:16.199
long. Yeah, and I believe
Abby Lover doctor has been so clear on

577
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:21.920
his intentions that he wants to share
whatever information he gets and that he's you

578
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.079
know, but you know, he
was limited and the you know, the

579
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.360
funding it's like for the tech that
he meets, no doubt. Come on,

580
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.559
now, it's like we're going to
have to do a GoFundMe for this.

581
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.000
This is ridiculous. But now with
with everything else that's going on,

582
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.719
that's why I'm saying that it's kind
of evolving into into this, you know,

583
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.800
so much bigger thing and moving every
single day. It's crazy. It's

584
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.119
like keeping up with this is insane. But you know what's saying he needs

585
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.599
money and Jeff Bezos is sitting in
the front row of the of the National

586
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:58.000
Yeah, Jeff Man, Yo,
take the credit card out. But as

587
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.440
far as the team, I don't
know how you guys feel about this,

588
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.840
but when you think about it,
they're gonna need somebody to go and get

589
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.400
sandwiches. So when you think about
that, you start thinking about me.

590
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.559
You're thinking about point break, and
you're thinking about Gary Busey going, hey

591
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.480
Utah, get me two of those
Meat Paul sandwiches. All right, Angelo,

592
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.519
Hey Utah, get me two.
So I could be I could be

593
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:28.800
Johnny Utah for this team. And
Nathan, do you how do you feel

594
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.760
that I would perform just in terms
of like getting lunch and stuff. I

595
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.760
think you'd be terrific at it.
Yeah, thank you man. And would

596
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.159
you be willing to write a recommendation
letter? You Anakashi anytime? Okay,

597
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.480
all right, so Abby, if
you're listening now, you can expect a

598
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.360
letter from Nathan's office and one from
my girl from Texas, Takashi, Chris

599
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.719
and I would do an excellent job. I'm gonna respect, you know,

600
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.320
whether somebody is like gluten free,
whether they're vegan, you know, if

601
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.880
pork is not your thing. We're
both Jewish, you know, even though

602
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:07.400
Italian. So I'll take care of
you to multiple places. Yeah, I'll

603
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.760
bring the cooler and or the hot
thing, you know, so we'll take

604
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:19.480
care Start the petition right away.
I'm going to be nft. Nathan's gonna

605
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.159
be off. While we entertained some
questions Deb and Lucy on the chat this

606
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.880
weekend. You weren't there, Chris, but they had a couple of questions.

607
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.119
I want you, I want I
want to say this. Please don't

608
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:39.039
let me forget to get Nathan's take
on Stephen green Street, because it's brilliant

609
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:43.960
that said deb Okay, I want
the audience to know this right now.

610
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.039
I was not going to bring up
any topic that had to do with the

611
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.800
Air Force or obfuscation or making excuses
for the Air Force. So let me

612
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.800
just say that this is Deb and
Lucy bell Ut a study of UFOs U

613
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.800
A p S. So Nathan,
we're gonna get to the question that Deb

614
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.440
wanted to ask you, which was
about Stephen green Street, because I was

615
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.920
not going to represent your position on
air because your it's something that you've come

616
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.760
up with and I think people should
hear come from your lips. But before

617
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.400
you do that, I want to
answer Deb's question because deb question flows right

618
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:28.960
into Lucy Bell. So I'm looking
at question number three and Deb wanted to

619
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.280
talk about the role of the Air
Force and the nation's defense. I'm sorry,

620
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:39.559
And then question five where Lucy Bell
said, because of seventy years of

621
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:45.079
obfuscation, what is so awful that
they can't tell us? Lucy Bell?

622
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.519
Hi, Lucy, all right,
So this is what's up. The mission

623
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.960
of the Air Force is different than
the United States Navy. So when you

624
00:46:54.280 --> 00:47:00.360
present your service, your service chief
to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

625
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.840
Staff. The NCAA is the National
Command Authority, so you have you know,

626
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:09.320
the President, Secretary of Defense,
you have the Joint Chiefs. So

627
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:14.519
within that structure, the Air Force's
responsibility is different than the Navy. The

628
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.639
Navy is to project sea power and
air power and be able to park basically

629
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:28.039
like an air Oh I'm hearing myself. Somebody's got me, okay, okay.

630
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.920
So so what it is is the
Air Force is responsible to provide.

631
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.960
So I don't agree with what they
did, so let me just start off

632
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.800
with that. I don't agree with
lying and obfuscation. I don't I despise

633
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.519
being lied to. And when someone
tries to piss right on my leg and

634
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.840
tell me it's raining, Nathan will
tell you there's nothing that pisses me off

635
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.039
more than that when you're trying to
bs me, because that basically means you

636
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:57.800
think you're smarter than me. So
anyway, their job is basically to provide

637
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:04.639
air superiority and top cover this entire
fifty states and basically be able to say

638
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.199
to the President, we have control
these guys. Last time we didn't have

639
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.199
control these guys. We're December seventh, nineteen forty one, when we were

640
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:17.000
attacked by the Imperial Japanese in Hawaii. Obviously everybody knows that, and in

641
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.719
the continental US. I don't think
it's ever happened in our history that we

642
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.800
faced a foreign power that's been able
to fly sorties and attack us from the

643
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.519
air. So that's what the Air
Force is. Those lightning bolts that you

644
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.440
see on a general's wheel cap that
he wears. That's what that's all about.

645
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.280
So it was very difficult for the
Air Force to be able to say,

646
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:44.039
hey, everybody, this is what's
going on. There's a flying saucer

647
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.400
that crashed in Roswell, and then
there's another one, and there's you know,

648
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.719
the one they had in Michigan,
and there's these different crashes, and

649
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.840
you know what, it's okay.
We can't really control them. We can't

650
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.440
take them out of the sky,
we can't shoot at them. We really

651
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.519
can't stop them from doing whatever they
want to do. But don't worry because

652
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:07.679
other than those guys, we got
it. So that nobody's smiling right now.

653
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.800
But that was meant to be comedic
in nature. So basically that was

654
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.400
basically their reason is to be able
to say to the president, say to

655
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.199
the country, we have control of
the skies. You're not seeing what you

656
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:25.280
think you're seeing. We've got all
of this and nobody can penetrate our air

657
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.760
defenses and our air power. And
so that's why that they I don't agree

658
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.639
that they did it. I don't
think they should have done it. I'm

659
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.400
upset that they did it, but
that was the decision that was made so

660
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.400
we can disagree, but we can
also say we're talking about being in the

661
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:46.199
gray. I understand why, even
though I disagree with it. And that's

662
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.480
what's so awful, Lucy, is
for them to be able to say,

663
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.360
we really don't have control the skies
because these things can pretty much do whatever

664
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.920
they want and there's nothing we can
do about it. Yeah, so that's

665
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:00.960
that's that question, Nathan. You
want to go on to Stephen green Street,

666
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:06.400
so we need to reset out all
that. Yeah, I know,

667
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.880
I know, I know it's not
it's not comfortable to talk about. I'm

668
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.079
you know, everybody knows my background. But that's that's the reason why they

669
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.480
did it, even if I disagree. But more importantly, I spoke this

670
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.800
week about I'm sorry, Nathan,
did you want to jump in about that?

671
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.360
But I'll go to Stephen briefing that
I'll say, and I simply to

672
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.519
you about that that take and that
is uh. You know, I've got

673
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.360
to two kids, and you know, they're as they're growing up. I

674
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.559
you know, my wife and I
make decisions on how to parent them based

675
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.440
on how we who they are and
where they are in their development and what

676
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.679
we you know, feel like we
need to do for their development, right,

677
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.320
and it's only going to be in
hindsight, you know, when they're

678
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:50.280
grown up and they're you know,
they're at therapist's office for one issue or

679
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.199
another that we go, you know
what, maybe we messed up on that

680
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.039
one thing there. They have made
the wrong call on that, on that

681
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.599
thing that we decided to do with
them. And I have a feeling that's

682
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.519
something similar has occurred here with this
topic. And know, you've got a

683
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.639
government's a state that is, you
know, in the moment, had to

684
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.280
make a decision on something that they
were probably pretty ill equipped to to to

685
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:14.119
do, and then you know,
kind of balancing the fate of their citizenry

686
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.960
against this this subject that you know, they had no experience with before,

687
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.119
and so they made a call and
you know, maybe it was the wrong

688
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.320
call. And I think only time
will really tell at the end of the

689
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.280
day. Do we want the truth? Absolutely? Should we get the truth,

690
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.480
Yes, But you know, I
think i'd like to I like to

691
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.760
think that people are you know,
try to do the right thing. I

692
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.559
tend not to look at the at
the government as some sort of big bad

693
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.920
you know that I that everything that
they do has some sort of nefarious purpose

694
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.760
because the government is full of people. It's full of people like DJ and

695
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.320
full of people like you know,
your your neighbor. You know, you

696
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.719
know these people you know, and
maybe collectively they make bad decisions, but

697
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.079
I like to think, you know, most of the time they made pretty

698
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.599
good decisions. And you know,
it's only in hindsight that we can really

699
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.400
we just easily can judge, you
know, whatever somebody decided to do,

700
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.519
and it feels good in the moment, but you know, we weren't there.

701
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.480
We weren't there when they had to
make that call. I also would

702
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.159
like to add, and if Chris
wants to weigh on and this we'll get

703
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.840
here. I would also like to
add, if you look at like for

704
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.559
example, like in the climate accords, you know, we have one hundred

705
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.360
and fifty countries that are agreeing on
the Paris Climate Agreement, so on and

706
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.480
so forth, but there's none of
these countries that are coming out and talking

707
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.079
about UFOs and what they've seen and
giving full and open reporting. I mean,

708
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.239
we could talk about the UK,
we could talk about Australia, we

709
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.239
could talk about Zimbabwe, we could
talk about Portugal, we could talk about

710
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.920
Spain, we could talk about Russia, we can talk about any country that

711
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.239
you want, and nobody's coming.
Nobody's rushing out to explain to people what

712
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:53.119
they've discovered as a government. So
it's not I hate to say it,

713
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:58.360
the Brazilians, you know, similar
thing. It's not only our government,

714
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.599
it's all the governments. It's just
that, you know, we're the ones

715
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.800
that have had the most uh,
I guess, the most famous or most

716
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.760
reportable topics. But Nathan, that
was extremely well, said Akashi Chris.

717
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.719
Well, then nobody wants to be
first. Nobody wants to own this problem

718
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:21.199
from a disclosure perspective. They're and
they're looking for leadership, and you know,

719
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.800
they're still I mean, we are
still in the United States. They're

720
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.880
looking for us to set you know, they're waiting for us to do something

721
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.960
so they can figure out what to
do. And so I think I think

722
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:37.199
once the United States actually makes that, you know, once hopefully this office

723
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.639
you know, actually the bill passes
or the amendment passes and everything gets processed.

724
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.760
But you know, maybe this will
be the beginning of that. But

725
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:49.039
I mean, it is happening everywhere. And it's funny because culturally a lot

726
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.239
of the other countries are a lot
more open to talk about it, you

727
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.360
know, like locally the people that
live there are very open to talk about

728
00:53:55.400 --> 00:54:00.880
these things. Yet their government is
waiting for hours who has like a major

729
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:06.519
stigma on the subject to take action. So you know that's part it's kind

730
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.760
of interesting, but you know who
wants to own this problem? And I

731
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.880
do want to circle back. I'm
not going to divert in, but there's

732
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.079
something you said earlier. We were
talking about what happens to this community,

733
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:23.519
you know after disclosure or whatever.
Well, you know who's our jobs will

734
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:29.480
evolve and our I mean think about
where we are now from where we were

735
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:34.000
when you forgot or when you guys
first started, and how far down the

736
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.440
rabbit hole you've gone, and you
know how your visions have evolved. Well,

737
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.000
you know, so will ours,
and we'll be ahead of the game,

738
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.800
but there's going to be a lot
of other people that won't. And

739
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.360
even if it becomes mainstream, they're
going to need some help. So I

740
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.880
would think that that's where we can
support. You know, we can use

741
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.000
this community and not let it just
disband just because we you know, we

742
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.480
got the answers. No, that's
not the end. That's the beginning of

743
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:06.159
the journey. Oh yeah, this
gets seriously next question, like when you

744
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:07.920
said that, I mean to you
know, cold you offer go back.

745
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.280
I think it's a way to circle
back because I think it's something that's really

746
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.880
important and it just gets overlooked.
Yeah, Chris, every question is just

747
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.159
going to open another question because there's
so much we don't know there. And

748
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.159
I would guarantee if lou is sitting
here right now, and he's the public

749
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:29.320
person, at least the public person
who knows the most, he would say

750
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.559
there's still so much I don't know. I mean. Rick Dody said he

751
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:39.039
was scared. I mean, I
mean, so he said, I'm scared,

752
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:45.760
and that dude, he said,
okay, he said I saw things

753
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.280
that scared me. And he said, what, I don't scare easily?

754
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:53.679
Right, Okay, I'm sorry.
I have a question from Grant. Okay,

755
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:59.519
please Grant you? So am I
going to read this for real?

756
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:02.679
Are you tricking me here? Grant? Okay? So he goes, here's

757
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.400
a question for DJ in a post
ninety seven world, what are the rules

758
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.360
of engagement for Air Force and Navy
pilots and encountering U A P S.

759
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:19.480
Yeah, so this is, uh, this is a great question I can

760
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:28.559
uh I'm gonna try to answer this. Uh it says, okay, what

761
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:34.039
the what the guidance is that,
uh that I'm aware of is to use

762
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:43.599
all platforms of intelligence gathering methodology.
So that could be if you're measuring electro

763
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.480
magnetic UH signals, so you know, forms of cigant, if you will

764
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:58.559
optically using every sensor available, seeing
what what radar signature that that that they're

765
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:04.679
getting, and as well as vizobs
obviously, and then also your in your

766
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.280
your ir our spectrum, whether that
be with night vision, and to record

767
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:15.199
because a lot of in the older
days we didn't record everything. Of course

768
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.519
you know that they did on the
back in two thousand and four, but

769
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.599
I mean we've had night vision devices
much longer than that. I mean I

770
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:29.679
flew with an aircraft that had a
sensor ball on it from day one of

771
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.280
my ASTSC career in let's say July
oh two, and we weren't recording.

772
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:38.199
We didn't have a way to record
that stuff. Well now everything you know,

773
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.880
you can pop those hard drives out
and just replay the entire mission.

774
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:50.199
So so yes, I would say
grant that right now it's collect and analyze,

775
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:57.280
is what what I'm hearing? Yeah, great question. Collect, collect,

776
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.920
collect by any means necessary. For
those of you from the sixties and

777
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.039
in the civil rights movement, Yeah, what do you know what we're dealing

778
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.880
with right now? So I want
to go to something really interesting, Chris,

779
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.719
that you know you you you look
for these moments when you're with your

780
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.760
co host and you're having discussions that
you wish were recorded, And some of

781
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.480
those discussions take place on the telephone, and some of those take place after

782
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:34.400
we shut the the recording down and
Nathan and I sit and talk for a

783
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.480
while, and one of them,
I asked him about the drama that was

784
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:43.320
going on with Stephen green Street.
And I've had some some pretty healthy and

785
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:49.519
lively debates with him online. Not
in any way do I mean to demean

786
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:53.159
him in any way or be derogatory
towards him. I respect the guy.

787
00:58:53.199 --> 00:59:00.719
He's an accomplished person. But when
you don't quite understand why somebody is acting

788
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.920
the way they're acting, then you'll
look to somebody that might maybe have a

789
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:09.079
window into that. And what was
interesting is that Nathan opened a window into

790
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:16.400
him that I didn't know existed.
And had some interesting analysis and not that

791
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:22.679
he's trying to say this is it, but he's going he's going to provoke

792
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.159
some thought and all of us.
So, Nathan, if you would,

793
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:30.280
what do you think is the genesis
of sort of the unseemly way I guess

794
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:37.320
that Stephen was acting on UFO Twitter
with several of us. It was a

795
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:39.400
little bit perplexing. And by the
way, we hope you returned, Stephen,

796
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:44.159
because we'd love to engage with you, either just there or wherever.

797
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.079
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
I mean, here's a guy who's done

798
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.639
a lot of great work for this
topic, and I want to kind of

799
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.360
shout out that first. And you
know, what he's done with the basement

800
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.480
office, what he's done in his
writing for the Post, and you know,

801
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.960
helping to shine a spotlight on this
topic has been great. And I

802
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.760
think that's was really welcomed by the
community and his I personally really appreciated everything

803
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:15.440
that he did for the community.
But you know, similarly, like the

804
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:20.400
way that he went about sort of
kind of wanting information or you know,

805
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.000
prodding people for facts that weren't weren't
there, to me just sort of felt

806
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.800
like, you know, kind of
full on, like he was kind of

807
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.960
just frustrated, you know, and
I was trying to ask myself, you

808
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:35.519
know, where is this sort of
frustration coming from? Uh? You know,

809
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.960
because we all we we kind of
share that frustration. I mean think

810
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:38.960
a lot of us, do you
know, we want the truth? What

811
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.360
are the facts? You know,
let's stop speculating, show me some hard

812
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.559
evidence. Like we all want that
moment where we can be like, look,

813
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.760
you know, we can put it
up on the front page and and

814
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.360
nobody can look at that and be
like, yeah, I guess there's nothing

815
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.440
there anymore, you know, like
like there's something you cannot avert your eyes

816
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:58.760
from. We're looking for that moment. But what I thought about it he

817
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.320
mentioned something and I don't remember what
interview that it was, but you know,

818
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:08.960
he talked about his his young younger
years and being part of the Mormon

819
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.480
faith and you know, being very
involved with that and identify with that because

820
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:17.280
I grew up in a very you
know, spiritual home, uh and and

821
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.440
very much was a you know,
a strong Christian believer, you know,

822
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.199
my younger years. Uh. But
I got the sense from that interview from

823
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.880
him that he, you know,
he gat he got to this point in

824
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.760
his life where he became very disillusioned
with with the church, that that he

825
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.079
the beliefs that he was given,
that he walked away from those beliefs,

826
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:39.920
and that he felt in a way
and I can relate to this too kind

827
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.599
of a sense of betrayal, you
know, a sense of betrayed by uh

828
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.440
that that that that family of believers
that you know, raised him to think

829
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:51.840
about the world in a certain way, and when he when he came to

830
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:53.719
this place in his own journey,
that said, you know, there's nothing

831
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:58.039
to this. This is a bunch
of lies. You can't really point me

832
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.880
in a direction where I can see
some facts about this, about these stories,

833
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:07.159
you know, the disillusionment and the
frustration that accompanied that kind of fall

834
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.639
is something that stays wet with you
forever, you know, like it's not

835
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.559
something you can just kind of write
off. And so, you know,

836
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:19.280
I tend to think that he's bringing
that similar perspective to this topic. That

837
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.880
he wants to be He doesn't want
to be let down, He doesn't want

838
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.360
to be duped, you know,
he wants he doesn't want None of us

839
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.800
want want to be you know,
able to sit down when the music stops

840
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.639
you know, we want to be
able to find that at see and feel

841
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.559
a part of the group. And
I think that that's exactly, you know,

842
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.880
where he's coming from. He wants
to be confident that his time and

843
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.679
energy spent on this topic is time
will spent that it's not going to be

844
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.920
he won't be let down. And
you spoke of rejection, if I remember

845
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.639
correctly, was that part of it
or did I imagine that a rejection of

846
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.239
an authority or well, yeah,
I mean that's it definitely is a part

847
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.239
of that. I mean it's a
you know, if if if you come

848
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.840
to this place where you're rejecting belief, you know, you're you're you're pushing

849
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.519
back against everything that you've been taught. Uh, you know, it takes

850
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.199
a strong person to do that.
First of all, let's let not you

851
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.559
know, discount how much hard work
it is to do that, to kind

852
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:23.119
of break with the molding that you've
been been given. And so, you

853
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:27.400
know, I think Steven's a very
strong person. I think that he's he's

854
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:31.320
really created his own He's he's gone
down his own path and a different path

855
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:36.119
from those that that maybe are those
in his family or where he grew up.

856
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.400
He's he's gone down a very different
path from those folks, and that

857
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:42.760
takes a lot of work, and
I applaud him for that, and and

858
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.519
every day it's work, you know, because emotional investment, absolutely, you

859
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:49.039
know, it be a lot easier
just to kind of lapse back into that

860
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.960
to those beliefs, uh, that
that structure is still there, the family's

861
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.360
still there, all those things that
he held deer are still there. He

862
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:58.679
could just you know, say,
you know what, actually believe that stuff

863
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:02.599
again, the conformity of of returning
to LDS and yeah, so you know,

864
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:05.360
but not doing that and every day
taking a stand, you know,

865
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:12.280
against that is very difficult. I
don't think many people necessarily realize how hard

866
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.239
that that is. And again I'm
you know, I'm armchair psychoanalyzing him,

867
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.719
So I could be completely wrong,
but that's kind of how I looked at

868
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:24.079
his approach to this topic. That
he just doesn't want to be let down,

869
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.920
you know that that and I appreciate
that. I mean, none of

870
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.760
us do, right, we don't
want to be let down by this and

871
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.159
and and to date we are missing
some I think, some clear facts that

872
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.880
we can really you know, hang
our hat on and we're just waiting for

873
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:40.360
that moment. You know, Where's
when is that going to happen? A

874
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:44.360
lot of us are tired of waiting
for that. I got the heart bubble

875
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.880
emojis over my head now after he's
talking, Chris, I got the little

876
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:54.599
heart bubble emojis. Yeah, all
right. So I had another question here

877
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:58.280
that i'd like to First, I'd
like to get Chris's take on this,

878
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:03.199
and then and if to Nathan who
were waiting for Chris to create Nathan's NFT,

879
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.079
but it's gonna have to Can you
pick up the pipe please? Nathan?

880
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:16.800
Can you? Yeah? Can you
please? Yeah? All right?

881
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:23.079
All right, so we got it? All right? Uh So a DNA

882
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:28.079
Akashi. There's been a lot of
talk about it. I think Lou alluded

883
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.239
to it perhaps, and I don't
know if it was the Kurt gay Mungo

884
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.159
interview, So pardon me if someone
else has that. But how do you

885
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:41.760
Are you a a theorist in that
maybe their DNA has impacted our DNA and

886
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.400
then we're carrying it. So I'd
like to ask you and then go to

887
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.599
NFT. Nathan, are you talking
about the hybrid? Uh? Yeah,

888
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.079
I think that's where that is.
I mean, I'm out of my depth

889
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.800
here, so I'm hoping you guys
can enlighten me. Yes, sure,

890
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:03.599
I'm very open to those ideas,
only because it goes back to you know,

891
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:09.159
you were talking about how I'm obsessed
with certain you know, ancient structures

892
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:21.760
and ancients, like, for instance, I would I got, I love

893
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:30.079
that, But there's something I'm not
ancient aliens. There's a very big difference

894
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:35.840
between ancient aliens and ancient civilizations.
I believe that we've seen enough. You

895
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:40.079
know, we've seen a lot of
structures that don't make any sense, a

896
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:45.679
lot of you know, a lot
of places that the structures there's no tech

897
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:47.679
that could have existed at the time, you know, I I think,

898
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.719
you know, from an ancient civilization. The reason why this kind of comes

899
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:57.719
into this conversation is because we don't
know who was here before us, So

900
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:03.079
we don't know what we could have
been mixed, you know, mixed with

901
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:09.639
we don't know, you know,
we don't know if if if really extraterrestrials

902
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:14.159
or you know, grays are coming
to you know, do try to get

903
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:17.480
the what is it the grace are
pro the war? What was that that

904
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:23.000
story of the grays. I'm trying
to think it. The grades are like

905
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:28.360
what when there? They want things
to happen because they wouldn't exist if they

906
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.760
don't happen. But you know there's
another I'm all over the place on this

907
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:39.719
because I I'm not even sure.
I'm totally caught up into different versions of

908
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.400
what you know, what could we
be mixed with? Are we part reptilian?

909
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.719
Are we? You know that the
hope I have it right right if

910
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:50.719
you go down you know, jolly
by the hope Indians had it right in

911
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:55.559
the end. People you know are
part of this. So yeah, that

912
01:07:55.880 --> 01:08:00.280
the hope he's believed in the whole
ant people, the Star people were a

913
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.039
people. You didn't know that.
I didn't know that. No, check

914
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.760
out the Hope Indians. That's uh, that was the thing. I was

915
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:12.000
a big fan of Adam ant Uh. Anyway, So I can't I can't

916
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.239
even answer that question because there's so
many different ways of looking at, you

917
01:08:15.279 --> 01:08:21.920
know, at this and and I'm
sorry if I watched it. No girlfriend,

918
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:31.720
Oh you're already you scheduled girlfriend December
third. I believe December third Friday,

919
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:40.119
yoda. So anyway, sorry,
NF Nathan, I want to ask

920
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.800
you this question in a different way
if you don't mind, if you'll entertain

921
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.960
me, Uh, give me a
little artistic license, Nathan, if I

922
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.439
had to ask you if you had
a gut feeling about this when you look

923
01:08:53.520 --> 01:09:02.600
at these gray creatures, is that
us? Yeah, Mama gonna I love

924
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:11.239
the floating wineglass is awesome. I
wish yeah, like port wineglass. She

925
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:15.880
didn't feel she didn't want to say
hello, she's she's in her in her

926
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:23.199
bedclothes. Okay. Es is to
Nathan and Akashi Criss, two of the

927
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:27.279
people I love from UFO Twitter of
a lot of y'all love what fus?

928
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.960
Yeah, Well, so to answer
your question, I think, uh,

929
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.399
you know, humans, for the
longest time, we've had stories about this,

930
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:38.399
you know, so I think most
of our major mythologies, you know,

931
01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:43.600
we're we come from something that is
non human. We are created by

932
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.119
you know, God, We're created
by the gods. You know, there's

933
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.800
some there's some sort of sense that
this that you know, we didn't just

934
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:56.039
uh you know, appear like the
other creatures on the planet did, are

935
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.640
in the same manner, you know, so that this is part of our

936
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:02.399
kind of storytelling, and you know
there's there's a lot of truth to mythology,

937
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.039
you know, I think mythology helps
us navigate the world and and make

938
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.520
sense of the world that we find
ourselves in. So, you know,

939
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.399
my gut feeling is that you know, there is more to the story.

940
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:16.800
But you know, this is also
a topic that I think, you know,

941
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.000
it's it's so delicate, right,
This is such a delicate subject.

942
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.319
You know, we're talking about human
beings. And I think our friend Lampey,

943
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:30.680
you know, put it really well
and helped help frame that lebbe But

944
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.920
you know, her point, I
think is a is a really pertinent one

945
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:41.319
that we really cannot lose sight of
human dignity. You know, So in

946
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.640
the in all of our talk about
you know, genetic manipulation or you know,

947
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:47.560
who may be hybrid or who may
not be hybrid, or whatever is

948
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.800
going on here, you know,
we can't lose sight of our common dignity.

949
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:56.600
We can't get to a place where
we, you know, look at

950
01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.800
each other and say, well,
you're less of a human than I am,

951
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:02.520
and therefore whatever it is, it's
another way to divide. Yeah,

952
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:06.319
I mean we've been downe that,
you know, we we we've tried that

953
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.399
We've tried that throughout history, and
it's and and we still try it today.

954
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:12.640
There are people who would like to
divide us that way, and you

955
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.640
know, I'm not I'm not for
that at all. I think anytime we

956
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.840
talk about this we have to be
very sensitive to that subject. But I

957
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:20.640
think at the end of the day, we want the truth. You know,

958
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:23.840
who are we really? This is
These are the big questions. Who

959
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:26.479
are we? How did we get
here? How do we you know,

960
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.760
come to be who we are?
Why are we so different from everything else

961
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.000
and so demonstrably different from everything else
that is on the earth. You know,

962
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:36.239
it's not like, uh, you
know, there are a lot of

963
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:40.760
other like super sentient you know,
creatures that that we share space with.

964
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:44.840
I mean, we we have an
agree of intelligence that seemingly is, you

965
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:48.680
know, orders of magnitude greater than
than the next intelligence species that shares the

966
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:53.319
space with us. So I don't
know, you know, it's I hope

967
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.640
we get an answer to that.
I hope that you know, it's not

968
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:02.600
an answer that you know, is
to sort of de destabilizing, existentially destabilizing.

969
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:08.239
I think we need to we need
to seriously begin considering it, though,

970
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.920
as a possibility, and we need
to have a mature conversation about that.

971
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.800
So if it is something that becomes
reality, that it that that is

972
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.680
how you know, we came to
be who we are. I think those

973
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:23.119
of us in the community need to
be able to be thinking about this in

974
01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:27.600
a mature way, in an ethical
way, so that when that conversation happens,

975
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.720
we can you know, really help
people navigate, you know, through

976
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:35.079
that challenging time, right, I
mean it, because it will be destabilizing.

977
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:41.039
I mean, believe me, Nathan
was able to skate around that like

978
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:45.880
Peggy Fleming at the nineteen eighty Olympics. It was a beautiful routine. It

979
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.680
was. It was a beautiful pirouette. I love it. So I don't

980
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:56.000
know, no I I if anybody
doesn't like my humor, please say so

981
01:12:56.079 --> 01:13:00.039
in the chat. I'm probably still
gonna do it. But anyway, you

982
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.399
know, like Louis Samanez, I'm
sure him hearing me try to be funny

983
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.680
is like the way he feels when
he has influenza, you know, like

984
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:11.880
my coughing, I need hydration.
I just give me a heating pad.

985
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:18.640
So anyway, Louise, anyway,
But what I wanted to say to you,

986
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:26.319
Nathan, and I also am firmly
in rejection of the the analogy of

987
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:30.319
humans to ants, and I get
very irritated even up to it. So

988
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.239
if you guys want to see something
that I will, I would argue with

989
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:36.039
lou about I would say it is
him. No, we're not like ants.

990
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:41.439
And the reason, uh, and
I don't think that any intelligence that

991
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.039
is looking at us right now thinks
of us as ants. For the simple

992
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:51.319
fact is we've created microchips. You
know, we can engineer some fairly exotic

993
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:58.239
materials and metals. We can perform
microsurgery. The way that we perform surgery

994
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.920
now compared to so, let's say, eighty years ago, is absolutely incredible.

995
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.119
Joints that we didn't used to be
able to repair that we can.

996
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.840
We can travel outside of our solar
system now, or at least produce a

997
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:16.319
craft that can do so. So
I don't think we're in No matter what

998
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:20.199
intelligence is coming here, I still
don't think we're ants because we can actually

999
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:26.239
express ourselves. We can have an
experience with these beings, and many of

1000
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.319
our fellow humans can come back and
talk about it. Yeah, that wouldn't

1001
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:34.560
happen if it was a mastodon or
you know, a sloth. They're not

1002
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:38.520
going to be able to come and
do like John Keats and write a poem

1003
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:44.039
about it. So, I mean, you know, unfortunately, yes,

1004
01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:49.880
there are intelligence that are thousands of
years probably and maybe Nathan tens of thousands,

1005
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:55.239
maybe millions of years ahead of us, but we can still they still

1006
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:59.199
know how to communicate with us,
and that we could actually write a book

1007
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:05.239
about about meeting them. And unfortunately, your your your fire ant that stings

1008
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:09.960
my foot here in Florida can't do
that, right are the ones that stunk

1009
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:16.359
Chris in Puerto Rico. We're gonna
get you fire ants. Sorry. Wells

1010
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.960
to me, if we had the
ability, like people are actually studying this

1011
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.680
now to like, could we communicate
with whales? Right? Like, if

1012
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.039
we could actually do that, it
would be cool, Like we would want

1013
01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.760
to do that. We would want
to learn more about the creatures that are

1014
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.800
in our environment and be able to
connect with them on in ways that we

1015
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:36.119
really can't right now. I mean, and I grew up reading Doctor Doolittle.

1016
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.239
I thought was an awesome story as
a kid, like that would be

1017
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:43.199
amazing if we could do that.
So if we're encountering an intelligence that is

1018
01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:46.000
going to ride us off as not
worthy of that kind of relationship when that

1019
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:51.159
relationship is something we actually could have. I mean, that's not an intelligence

1020
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.800
I actually want to be you know, connected with. I'd rather not,

1021
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:58.880
you know, I'd be a little
wary of them. Quite frankly. I'm

1022
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:02.920
a believer that uh, that intelligence, you know, and this is a

1023
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.760
very anthropomorphic way of looking at it, I'll admit, but you know,

1024
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.640
I'd like to believe that, you
know, consciousness and intelligence as it as

1025
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:15.119
it aggregates upward, you know,
becomes more curious, more compassionate, uh,

1026
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.439
you know, more artistic, you
know, just all the things that

1027
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.000
that are the best of our qualities, that it becomes more and more of

1028
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:27.000
that, you know what. I
what I worry about in a lot of

1029
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:33.159
the accounts that we hear from people
is that whatever they're encountering sounds not like

1030
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:39.239
that and more like a machine.
Yes, And I would just say,

1031
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.319
we've we've heard a lot of talk
recently about the future humans and grays and

1032
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.560
you know, warning against a catastrophe. And you know, all I will

1033
01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:50.520
put out there is what if the
catastrophe isn't isn't nuclear? What if the

1034
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:55.680
catastrophe isn't an asteroid. What if
a catastrophe, you know, isn't some

1035
01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:58.840
sort of pandemic. What if it
is it is the singularity? What if

1036
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:02.520
we are approaching a point of time
where the machines, where our connection to

1037
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:09.079
the machines becomes so powerful and so
intense, and and and it's a point

1038
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:13.319
of no return for who we are
as human beings, and we can undo

1039
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.640
that, We can undo that transition, and and think of what we might

1040
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:20.479
lose by giving up ourselves to that. To that point, we talk a

1041
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:25.000
lot about the positives, but what
what if we lose way more than we

1042
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:30.439
realize. What if in that journey
of giving up ourselves to these machines,

1043
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.960
that we we lose a core part
of who we are? And maybe these

1044
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.800
future humans who aren't machines are trying
to come back and say, look,

1045
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:43.760
there there's something important about being human. You know, Hey, Nathan,

1046
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.119
can I can I sum this up
in one person statement that you're aware of?

1047
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.479
Yeah, remind the audience of what
the little girl from uh aszimbob Boy

1048
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:55.239
said. Hmmm, yeah, we
are becoming too technologed. I think was

1049
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:59.880
the that sums up everything you just
said? Beware. They said no,

1050
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.119
they said don't yeah, don't become
too technologied. Yeah, and take care

1051
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:08.880
of your environment. So, you
know, the scariest thing I studied in

1052
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:14.800
undergrad was Hanson Robotics. I believe
his name is David Hanson, who's moved

1053
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:19.119
to Hong Kong and is now without
any sort of regulation for the robots,

1054
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:27.920
the humanoid robots he's producing and cloud
based information sharing, et cetera. And

1055
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:30.960
by the way, I'm sure every
computer network that he's plugged into in Hong

1056
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:38.279
Kong, the Chinese have every single
bite of data that he's putting out of

1057
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:41.800
his computers. They're just looking at
it and a labbing, oh okay,

1058
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:46.760
this is what he's doing. You
know that, Nathan and and Boston Dynamics,

1059
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:53.159
I mean you if you start thinking
about general AI with a humanoid robot

1060
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:58.479
and then the super dynamic abilities of
that, and if you want to go

1061
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.279
to the science fiction route, I'm
mean that some of the latest Star Wars,

1062
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:03.720
I don't know if it was Rogue
one, it's the first time where

1063
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:10.399
we've ever seen one of these robots
actually hit human Before that, they didn't,

1064
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:15.720
they didn't do that, So it's
uh it's pretty scary and and I

1065
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.039
agree with what you're saying. Actually, Okash, this was one of the

1066
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:30.159
first uh conversations I had with Nathan
where he expressed some real questions about intelligences

1067
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:34.880
and danger and that just happened last
week. But let me get your thoughts

1068
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:39.399
because sounds like you have to yeah, yeah, just I mean, going

1069
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:45.000
back to the ant's comment, if
we were so insignificant, I think we

1070
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.119
wouldn't be having this conversation today because
they've been coming here for a while.

1071
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:54.319
So we're still around. So that's
good. That's good. I love it

1072
01:19:54.600 --> 01:20:06.359
perfect, that's good. Faults and
I gotta go now this girl because it

1073
01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:15.159
was actually good. Okay, So
so we're we're still here. Our humanity

1074
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:21.479
is valuable. There's something that they
seem to seek that we still have.

1075
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:28.960
And if anybody's seen freaking Terminator,
we I mean, every movie has told

1076
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:32.119
us where this is going to go. If if we continue to hand over

1077
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.439
the decisions to AI, AI is
going to figure out that we're stupid and

1078
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:42.000
it's going to take over because that
that is with AI is meant to test

1079
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:45.840
the boundaries and figure out where we're
wrong and it's right. That's what it's

1080
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:49.800
programmed to do. So we're it's
it's very much a danger zone, you

1081
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:54.000
know when you talk about that,
and I don't I think I believe that

1082
01:20:55.800 --> 01:21:00.920
there's there's enough that we've seen from
the people that have had these experiences to

1083
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:04.319
show that they're looking for something.
And yeah, it looks like some of

1084
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:08.960
them are AI and but some of
them are not. And maybe that's what

1085
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.199
they're trying to say. We're dying, you know, our humanity is gone

1086
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.039
and we need it back. You
know, I don't know, and none

1087
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:18.920
of us have the answers. So
I mean, all we can sider here

1088
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.760
is just, oh, we're gonna
we're gonna hit you up on We're gonna

1089
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.800
hit you up on ANGELI girlfriend,
because that's like, that's a conversation maker.

1090
01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.640
I want to hear your take on
on Angelie my homegirl. But before

1091
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:35.119
we get to that, Uh,
somebody wanted to ask. It was Mike

1092
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:40.560
Colangelo. Hi, Mike. I
don't know if he's related to Jerry and

1093
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.359
the Phoenix Suns and if and I
can get to courtside seats, but that's

1094
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:54.640
beside the point or president of USA
Basketball. But Nathan uh answers. Uh

1095
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:59.199
Basically, what Mike wanted to know
is Jock Fala and Gary noleman Uh and

1096
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:04.399
these guys have had their hands on
material that they have gotten from vehicles that

1097
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:10.000
have crashed here. Lou has spoken
to that, Jacques Vallet has spoken to

1098
01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.800
that, Eric Davis has spoken to
that, among others. I'm sure there

1099
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.359
are more that I haven't thought of. Tom DeLong and what he wants to

1100
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:24.840
know is how many tests need to
be done to determine whether or not these

1101
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.960
metals they've recovered are human or not. Who are the scientists that they're waiting

1102
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.600
to peer review this material and why
haven't we gotten an answer? Do you

1103
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:40.560
think that it's high time that legends
in our community like Jacques Vlat provide answers

1104
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:45.279
and publicly give us some conclusions as
to or, if not, at least

1105
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:49.760
some theories on what this material is
and where it came from. Maybe not

1106
01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:54.239
where it came from, but the
fact that of whether it's exotic could have

1107
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:58.039
been made on Earth or not.
Yeah, I mean we need answers to

1108
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.520
that. I'm hardened to know their
people looking at it. But I think

1109
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.119
the longer it goes before we the
longer it takes to get those answers,

1110
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:08.880
the less likely we're going to like
the results, is what I think.

1111
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:13.439
So, you know, there there
would be reasons to hold on to that

1112
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:17.359
information if if it's not very interesting, I think then again, depending on

1113
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:20.319
who they're working with, you know, if they are working with you know,

1114
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:25.199
sort of people who have a lot
of influence, in particularly influence on

1115
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:29.319
on what they want people to be
aware of. I could see them,

1116
01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:31.760
you know, keeping those cards pretty
close to the chest right and not telling

1117
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.720
us what they really are. You
know. I love Squidding's take on on

1118
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:42.000
the exotic materials subject that had a
cocktail. But you know his in his

1119
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:46.880
take is that you got the pipe. You know, what are the affectation

1120
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.640
every now and again? We want
some affectations for no particular reasons. Yeah,

1121
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:56.600
just every now and again. Yeah, exactly are like, uh,

1122
01:23:57.319 --> 01:24:00.680
you know, sort of spaceship just
poop. You know that. You know,

1123
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:06.159
he's like he talks about this is
a space duty. Yeah. Craft,

1124
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:10.760
you know it has no real meaning. It's just like you know,

1125
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.359
the craft whatever reason, it's almost
like a living thing. He has perfect

1126
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.119
and it uh and it just shed
some material every once in a while,

1127
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:20.640
and it doesn't doesn't do anything,
or you know, you know that that's

1128
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:25.239
interesting theory. I think it's fun
to think about. I I actually thought

1129
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:28.680
of a different take on this as
I was getting out of the car for

1130
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:34.279
yoga, and I just messaged you
about Akashi and and and I kind of

1131
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:40.079
thought of how I would answer this
question. And I took it all the

1132
01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:45.159
way back to our discussion, uh
several weeks ago about when the government has

1133
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:50.359
material and they give it to a
contractor, and there's a custodial exchange of

1134
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:57.279
material, which means I still own
it. I'm giving you custodial responsibility.

1135
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.079
You can hold it, you can
use it, you can look at it,

1136
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:02.840
but I still own it. And
I set the terms of this,

1137
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:08.720
of the extension and the return of
this material, and then we talk about

1138
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:12.600
a transfer of ownership. So we
were talking about a craft and if if

1139
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.000
an entire craft would be given over
to a private company, and I told

1140
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.640
you why I thought that that wouldn't
happen, and gave you like seventeen different

1141
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:26.760
reasons why not, the least of
which is that scientists and contractors of every

1142
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:31.119
denomination will work at these test sites
for that express purpose, so they can

1143
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:39.000
have they're hired to examine materials and
provide their expertise and their analysis, and

1144
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:45.800
at the conclusion of that research,
they're basically contracts over, thank you,

1145
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:49.840
We're going to bring in somebody else. So with regard to exotic materials,

1146
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:56.920
it's quite possible that whomever holds this
material, obviously Bob Bigelow I think is

1147
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.680
one of them, and I don't
know which lab that Jock is examining these

1148
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:06.199
materials. They may have custodial responsibility, but not ownership. So what does

1149
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:13.079
that mean. It means that the
government has given them those materials to analyze,

1150
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.640
but will be able to control the
outcome and the narrative that comes out

1151
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:24.000
of that scientific research and their conclusions
that they've come up with. So if

1152
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.079
I'm Jock Vela and I say,
I've got two choices here, I can

1153
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.960
either never see this material or I
can see this material. But I got

1154
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.800
to abide by what they tell me
I can do with the information that comes

1155
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:40.760
out of there when they're searching my
little satchel to make sure that there's no

1156
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:46.760
hard drives leaving the facility and thumb
drives and hard copies. So the only

1157
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:53.840
thing I can assume, and this
was for Mike Colangelo, I'm going to

1158
01:26:53.880 --> 01:27:00.079
make an assumption that these materials have
been given over to certain labs under a

1159
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:05.640
custodial relationship and not a transfer of
ownership, whereby Jacques Vla could call a

1160
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:11.640
press conference at Lockheed or Big Lower
Aerospace to say, well, this is

1161
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.319
what this is. Our hypothesis at
least is that by the way this material

1162
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:19.479
we found it at a time when
there was not a metaal or gist on

1163
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:25.199
Earth that could figure out how to
make such a composite with these materials,

1164
01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:31.520
and there are some components of it
and ores and elements of it that maybe

1165
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:36.640
aren't even present in this concentration on
planet Earth. Whatever he would say,

1166
01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:42.159
and I'm just throwing I'm just giving
you a scenario. I believe that if

1167
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:46.119
there's a custodial relationship, they can
prevent that press conference from happening. Yeah,

1168
01:27:46.319 --> 01:27:49.760
and that makes a lot of sense
to me. I just literally came

1169
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:54.520
up with that out of the car
because I'm like, Nathan's asking me,

1170
01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:56.000
what are we going to talk about. I'm like, well, we have

1171
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.800
all these questions. I'm like,
okay, let me grab one and see

1172
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:00.159
what i can think of. That's
all I can think of, is they're

1173
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.720
not going to necessarily allow him to
say whatever if he's been looking at that

1174
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:08.439
material whatever they think it is,
and come out and say, hey,

1175
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:12.199
guys, we've got a piece of
metal. Pretty damn sure it's not from

1176
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.920
this planet and we didn't make it, and that may be exactly what that

1177
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:21.680
material is based on what jeez,
Jesse Marcel and his son have said,

1178
01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:27.880
and Jacques Valet have said, and
and and even Louis Elizondo and others.

1179
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.439
So what else we got here,
guys? Uh uh? Someone asked about

1180
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:36.800
Barbara Marsden and the hybridizing theory.
I think both of you have spoken to

1181
01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:45.159
that beamed energy propulsion. Rodney wanted
to know about beamed energy propulsion that Chris

1182
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:49.000
Mellon talked about, and what do
we think about it? So, uh,

1183
01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:53.000
if do you guys want to take
a shot at beamed energy propulsion,

1184
01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:59.640
I think it's great. Okay,
yeah, me too. Back to your

1185
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:04.199
name. Then it's you know who
doesn't love the energy propulsion. Yeah,

1186
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:10.760
it's a pretty cool technology where they're
going to use. The rudimentary explanation is

1187
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:17.239
they're using lasers to point at objects
that are in space to energize like the

1188
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:24.960
surface of those objects, and by
doing that they can cause like small sort

1189
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.159
of changes in acceleration. And so, you know, the thing about space

1190
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:31.800
which is very cool is you can
as long as you can just gradually increase

1191
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:36.119
the speed, eventually you're going to
get up to some really incredible speeds in

1192
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:40.680
space. So you know, to
the extent that we could you know,

1193
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:45.439
shoot a laser a laser out of
an object and cause that to to continue

1194
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.000
to accelerate, we could really get
much faster speeds than we've achieved before.

1195
01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:54.239
But it's you know, it is
very experimental, and you know it would

1196
01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:56.920
be challenging, and you got to
shoot lasers in space, which you know

1197
01:29:57.079 --> 01:30:02.119
has its own issues. Yep,
I think it's as Nathan said, it's

1198
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:06.279
fascinating. I don't if you're asking
us if we think that's a technology that

1199
01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:12.560
can be used to fly the various
different craft that we've seen, I don't

1200
01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:16.319
think that that's possible at this point
in time, not at least not to

1201
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:19.800
to fly like tactically speaking, and
be able to make turns. There's a

1202
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:24.680
lot of a lot of different dynamics
there, and it is super comforting if

1203
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:29.279
we could say that this is something
that we could just you know, execute

1204
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:33.319
this with technologies that exist. But
the evidence at this point says otherwise.

1205
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:39.079
But I hope that that the evidence
is going to say yes, because I'm

1206
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:45.960
very into not polluting. I'm very
into if we could have a technology that

1207
01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:53.680
could propulse aircraft through the air without
burning dinosaurs and and and burning fuel and

1208
01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:58.680
creating carbon emissions that are getting in
the atmosphere. So I would love to

1209
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:04.079
see any kind of propulsive technology that
And right now what I'm seeing is that

1210
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:09.760
we're not We're fielding engines that burn
considerably cleaner. So if you were to

1211
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:15.039
look at or even listen to a
New York Mets game back from the late

1212
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.760
seventies, and you heard a turbojet
engine, and when I say turbojet,

1213
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.760
I'm saying that you guys are looking
out at the wing and you're seeing one

1214
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:28.840
entire cowling from front to back,
from the inlet of the engine to the

1215
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.600
exhaust. You're seeing one smooth coling. And that's what we would have called

1216
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:36.479
a turbojet. Now we have a
turbofan where you guys are seeing this gigantic

1217
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:42.199
fan and then there's a core jet
engine inside there, and then you'll have

1218
01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:45.640
a couple of different stages of turbine. One of them turns that fan and

1219
01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:53.119
then the other one turns the actual
compressor section of jet engine that you're seeing

1220
01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:58.119
to suck the air in. So
that's a technology that's much cleaner and much

1221
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:02.279
quieter, and you wouldn't hear the
deafening roar going over Shay Stadium that you

1222
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:05.680
would have heard it in the days
when the sst was flying, and even

1223
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:11.319
your typical seven oh seven back then, or even in L ten eleven or

1224
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:17.359
DC ten. So technologies come,
we're burning cleaner and we're using less fuel

1225
01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:24.880
now, but that still basically they're
using the very same theorem that we flew

1226
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:30.760
on and flew within nineteen oh three. So yes, in the chat,

1227
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:35.800
no please chat, so hi,
we have a question. The chat actually

1228
01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:40.920
it says this actually brings up a
good point. So Debora was talking,

1229
01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.760
It's like they were talking about the
laser. She goes, I think it

1230
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:47.479
will still work with all the Russian
debris in the way. I love that

1231
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:53.279
point because this actually brings up you
know what other things, you know,

1232
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:58.800
what insights do you guys have into
all this Russian mess that they've made up

1233
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:00.479
there in the last couple of days. I know this is pretty new,

1234
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:04.439
but you know, any insights,
any thought, I'd love DJ on that.

1235
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:14.000
So all I can really tell you, guys, is that there's a

1236
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.319
let's just say, a bit of
a competition going on right now between the

1237
01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:26.680
United States, China, and Russia. And it's that's it's it's a bit

1238
01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:31.880
of a paradigm shift from where we
were twelve months ago. And it's a

1239
01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:38.279
very real problem. And that space
that these that orbit, that the satellites

1240
01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:44.720
are that are that particular distance in
space from the Earth is becoming extremely crowded.

1241
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.720
Like they were saying that telescopes can't
see through through this band now they're

1242
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:56.279
space junk. There are Chinese satellites
and other satellites. There are ours as

1243
01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.000
well that are defunct, that are
floating in space that pose a problem,

1244
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:05.520
and the destruction of which could cause
the destruction of another satellite as debris hits.

1245
01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:13.079
The space station is somewhat in jeopardy
as well. And it's not a

1246
01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:19.199
good situation. It's why the space
force exists, and it's it's not something

1247
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:24.239
that makes me feel good or that
I celebrate, but at the same time,

1248
01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:29.920
when somebody enters a battle space,
you also have to enter that battle

1249
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.840
space, whether you want to be
there or not. Yeah, and space

1250
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.880
is you know, it's challenge.
It has its own challenges. You need

1251
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:41.159
challenges, right, it's and I
think of it like, you know,

1252
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:45.039
if you're familiar with traffic in Los
Angeles or New York, these big met

1253
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:49.359
metropolitan areas, you get a lot
of vehicles that are on those freeways,

1254
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:54.960
and those cars are all trying to
get a certain place, are trying to

1255
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:58.119
do a certain thing. Some are
trying to bring you goods and services.

1256
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.760
Some are trying to get a person
from point O to point B. You

1257
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:03.159
know, there's doing lots of different
things. If one car has an accident,

1258
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:09.840
you know what what typically happens on
an already crowded freeway, Well,

1259
01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:14.760
the whole thing gets you know,
impacted. And this is this is why

1260
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:18.800
it's so delicate. Right, It's
not only do we have humans out there

1261
01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:23.439
on the space station that we you
know, we just think about those people,

1262
01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:27.640
but uh, you know, the
world depends on space. Like literally,

1263
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.760
our economies are they're all connected,
they're entwined. Uh, you know,

1264
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:35.640
goods and services flow, and so
many things happen because of the assets

1265
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:38.960
that are in space. And that's
not just true for the United States,

1266
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:42.920
it's true for all these major powers. And so you know, to be

1267
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:45.920
able to, you know, with
pinpoint precision kind of take out a particular

1268
01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:51.239
asset there and not damage anything else
in the process, it's a pretty powerful

1269
01:35:51.239 --> 01:35:55.840
capability if in fact, you know, they've reached a point where they can

1270
01:35:55.880 --> 01:36:00.319
do that. This demonstration tells me
there that may not quite be a to

1271
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.920
you know, sort of surgically,
uh, you know, sort of inhibit

1272
01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:08.520
just one asset. You know,
you've created a debris field. We've got

1273
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:13.039
a larger problem that could impact not
just uh, you know, your adversaries

1274
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:15.560
assets, but also your own,
you know, so you have to be

1275
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.960
pretty careful with what you're doing up
there. But it is I mean,

1276
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:24.760
DJ, You're right, it's the
next it is the next battlefront. I

1277
01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:27.840
want to frame it. I want
to frame it this way so people understand

1278
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:31.720
that space doesn't mean space. But
if let's say, for example, that

1279
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:38.800
we received an Intel report that uh
that people were and I'm gonna this is

1280
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:43.800
gonna be a fantastic example. So
think phantasm, think journey the center of

1281
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:49.399
the Earth type stuff. Let's say
that people were digging holes in so we're

1282
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:55.600
just going to say Country X that
exists right on the edge of Africa on

1283
01:36:55.680 --> 01:37:00.399
the western coast, and they were
digging. They were gonna dig right across,

1284
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.239
right and they're under the ocean,
and all of a sudden, you

1285
01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:11.520
know, you have sonar amphibious vehicles
that can see that they're actually digging and

1286
01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:14.319
tunneling under the ocean, and when
they come up, they're going to be

1287
01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:17.920
right smack in the middle of Brazil. The Brazilians are going to say,

1288
01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:25.159
they're doing this, we now need
to tunnel under under the ocean. And

1289
01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:29.119
this has now become a battlespace.
Whether we want it to be a battle

1290
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:32.920
space or not, it's existential.
Now they are tunneling under and when they

1291
01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:36.239
pop up, they're going to be
in miniature ized and their troops are just

1292
01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:42.159
gonna come pouring out and take over
mintage rice. So that's an example of

1293
01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:46.039
what I'm talking about, is that
when somebody enters into a new area,

1294
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:49.840
whether that be underground, whether that
be overground, whether that be in space,

1295
01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:55.000
wherever. It's like you walking to
a parking lot and you're with your

1296
01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:59.640
family and you're after dinner and somebody
comes up and approaches you and they say,

1297
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:01.039
you know what, I want to
fight you and you're standing with your

1298
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:04.000
family. We're gonna have a fight. Now. There's not a question of

1299
01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:06.880
whether or not we're gonna fight.
We're gonna have a fight. Who's gonna

1300
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:11.800
win, that's the question, but
there is gonna be a fight. So

1301
01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.159
anyway, that's enough of that stuff. Let's get back to having some fun,

1302
01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:18.760
because it's about time to shut this
down because one of the things we

1303
01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:24.760
try to do is always leave.
You want Mo, you want more Kashi,

1304
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:28.319
Chris, you're gonna get her December
third. You want Grant Levac.

1305
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:31.399
You want to bring some yoga business
up in here and have some Jedi stuff

1306
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:36.239
going down and a hood in the
whole. Nine's lightsaber and Chris is there.

1307
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:40.880
She's gonna have the one that's got
the red on both sides. You

1308
01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:44.880
know. Oh yeah, no,
that's the bad guys. That's fine.

1309
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.039
You're gonna battle Grant. What do
you care. Let's not get picky.

1310
01:38:47.079 --> 01:38:54.680
Here is ran a problem. It's
not it's not a battle. It's not

1311
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:59.560
a battle. Nathan, my brother, this was so much fun having a

1312
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.479
one on one conversation. Enjoyed it. I thought we were gonna fight and

1313
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:06.960
stuff, but yeah, it along
really well. I'm really proud of you.

1314
01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:10.680
Yeah, we love each other.
We're gonna do man, you know.

1315
01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:17.039
And Akashi Chris, so you're gonna
join us on the third. We're

1316
01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:20.199
gonna have some laughs, We're gonna
have some drink. We're gonna have some

1317
01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:24.720
drinks. So I don't think this
is gonna be a sober episode. Okay,

1318
01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:29.159
not gonna happen. And then I
don't I don't drink, but you

1319
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:32.359
know, yeah, I have a
five hour energy. You just can't stop

1320
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:38.520
me from maybe six maybe six?
And you know something else, Hi,

1321
01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.399
Grant, we can't wait to We
can't wait to see it. Brother,

1322
01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:45.079
what's up mate? I gotta tell
you this, so Grant, after we

1323
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:48.840
deal with you and Nikashi Chris was
ain't on be easy. He's a handful

1324
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:54.680
carrying all those groceries up to the
fourth floor. Nathan and I are gonna

1325
01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:58.840
be on with Alien Girl on Sunday, Yes, and I'm gonna have to

1326
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:08.640
do this tomorrow. But him to
say alien Girl, I'm on chat and

1327
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:13.439
she cops up and I'm like Alien
Girl is I'm typing it. I can't

1328
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:17.640
help it. I'm gonna be gonna
do some Alien Girls, So I got

1329
01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:20.279
I promise her I do it on
Twitter, So I'm gonna do it.

1330
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:24.680
I'm gonna do it for her like
I did today. So we're gonna be

1331
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:28.439
on with the Alien Girls Sunday Sunday
night. If I don't go to the

1332
01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:31.279
hospital on Saturday after being at the
racetrack. Hey, Hey, who's that

1333
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:40.399
Stephen Greerflair, Deborah al Jaber Girl
one Love, Stephen green Grant epic.

1334
01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:48.039
I love it. Alien Girl my
new crush. Yeah, and but yeah,

1335
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:50.760
we're gonna do that. So if
I don't end up in the hospital

1336
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:55.239
from being at the track Saturday,
I will see you Sunday there, Nathan.

1337
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:59.600
Yes, it's fantastic. What you
want to say about Mattaloney. Come

1338
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:02.760
on, man, what can't I
say about Madeliney? Bring me the data?

1339
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:10.800
We need more data. We're going
to get a heaping platter of it

1340
01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:18.720
with him data. There's no evidence
right now at all that I'm not c

1341
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:25.760
g I none. I mean,
I've never mentioned and I want to thank

1342
01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:29.880
you Nathan for creating me. That's
why I'm so nice to you, and

1343
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:42.199
thank you dad, thank you for
creating me. All right, we want

1344
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.279
we want you to like and subscribe
to our YouTube whatever said to remind you

1345
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.600
of me, so when you know
what kind of idiocy is going to be

1346
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:51.079
coming down, you can jump onto
it. And by the way, we

1347
01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:58.159
do this because really we'll bring you
some guests on here who have some gravity

1348
01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:00.680
in the community so that we can
bring it to mention to people that aren't

1349
01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:04.560
as well known but are brilliant.
One of those people might be a Chris

1350
01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:10.880
might maybe it'll be divine Daisy girl
if we can get her boss to leave

1351
01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:14.159
it. Listen to this girl.
What's going on? Man? Have something?

1352
01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:20.359
She's gonna sue your ass, So
come on, come on. We

1353
01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:25.720
want to bring attention to people that
necessarily don't get it, but have brought

1354
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:30.439
positivity in the space. You and
you got some opinions like this girl right

1355
01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:42.520
here, Akashi Chris got opinion and
she's got blurry blurry, blurry, blurry

1356
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:55.119
blurry. What's up homegirl, Los
Angeles. So thank you very much Valley

1357
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:59.359
Girl for joining us there. And
I'll tell you what We're going to see

1358
01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:02.600
you the next time. We're gonna
see these guys nineteenth right, just Friday,

1359
01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:08.840
Yes, Michael mclooney, singularity.
Apparently he wants me to not be

1360
01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:12.239
married anymore. And that's what singularity
means. We're gonna find out all about

1361
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:17.439
it. Okay, I don't know, bring me the data. I want

1362
01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:25.039
to put my hand on the Center's
desk and go there. Love you guys,

1363
01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:29.560
all right, all right, y'all, all right for Nathan, for

1364
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:34.760
a Kashi Chris. This is DJs
saying peace out, one love, and

1365
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:39.319
we'll see you down the road,
because Nathan and I are always wondering what's

1366
01:43:39.399 --> 01:44:00.560
up around the bend. That's right, Peace, Peace, f