WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.720 Hey. How about very good afternoon, I am Karen Ramirez and we are 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:05.440 on a broadcast more than ten radio, the design in your ears and we 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:09.800 are in the new season here in capo labor is located in San Luis, 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.759 Potosí one hundred and thirteen and come to see the show room, which is 5 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:15.560 of high design. Here in the furniture, the truth comes to take a 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:22.239 turn because it is amazing and because we are here transmitting for the new season 7 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.879 and I am very happy because today is with me a landscaper that the truth 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.199 is the first time that is here on radio and that is the first time 9 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.920 that I talk to her, but we will meet her together. How are 10 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.719 you, Viviana? How nice to meet you. I' m a vivian 11 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:41.000 voice and yes I' m the landscaper now by profession and now, I 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.000 ' ll tell you a little bit about how we got here, well, 13 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:46.560 I' m really glad you' re here with us the first time and 14 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.880 it' s not the last time. Please, of course, perfect to 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.640 be here. My thanks, no thanks to you for your time and I 16 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:55.719 ' d like to start the talk just by asking you who Viviana is. 17 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:03.799 Okay. Well, I could say I' m a person who likes to 18 00:01:03.879 --> 00:01:10.879 be the multi- faceted balance. I' m a mom of three, 19 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:19.560 married 26 years. I have my own landscape architecture firm that is serving about 20 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:26.959 seventeen years informally and fourteen formable, and I like to, I mean, 21 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.879 find new things. I' m very curious. I like to deal with 22 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:41.120 many architects, find so much part of my personal life. I like to 23 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.920 exercise, I like the whole art part, then I like I am very 24 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:52.120 tourist star in the city, then I like to go out and find new 25 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.519 spaces. And I' m from, like, I' d never get 26 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.239 into, like, a deal. From never getting into a mall, but 27 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.879 rather being looking for a little, little, little, little show this one 28 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.640 to kind of feel like there' s the essence. The rest is how 29 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:15.319 big I like things of detail. In the professional part, I' ve 30 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.719 been discovering a lot of things. I mean, actually, I' m 31 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:24.280 a career student, I' ve been a communications graduate, and, I 32 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.360 mean, I did. I started working about seventeen years old and did a 33 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.360 magazine of letters soups and crossword puzzles. Oh, good at the national level. 34 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.479 And then, for the art of style, I got married very young 35 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.240 at twenty- one and I was also a very young mother, but I 36 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:44.919 went to live in the city of Tijuan and in the city of Tijuana I 37 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.280 had to leave a little bit of the whole part of magazines and things I 38 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:52.280 did in Mexico, and I started to discover one of the things not and 39 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:53.960 one of the things that is discovered in Tijuana, which is a fantastic city. 40 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.560 Please, somebody' s got to throw a lot of joints. It 41 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:04.080 ' s not very aesthetic, but the fact that people got there for work 42 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:13.719 has come wonderful people for music. There are the best orchestra, pop operas 43 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:19.319 all kinds of music. Right, in the art part it' s been 44 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:25.000 an amazing thing, too. Amazing art photography also find and out there we 45 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:30.280 find the wine and in one of being looking for what to do and putting 46 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.879 us into many food and wine clubs. I found a girl who told me 47 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:39.159 oh, I' m an architect and I tell her, okay and what 48 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.439 you do which father I lost I told her, oh look, I' 49 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.000 m just like this. I' m gonna start doing my house garden. 50 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.599 You' re doing it with me, perfect. She started doing it with 51 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.520 me and she finished and I went to knock on her door and I told 52 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:59.639 her you give me work and then this girl is a wonderful landscape architect named 53 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:05.000 Alejandra. Count ok already lived in Tijuana and now it is in the city 54 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:11.639 of the Capes doing new things and it is very funny and from it, 55 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:17.000 I really started to learn what it was ok Ok. Then I came to 56 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:24.160 his office and he gave me he said well, because he went to the 57 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.720 house so pergrated to measure and I had to go back to that house a 58 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.560 million times because of course I didn' t know how to measure a single 59 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.800 door. No. Then I went back to look, to find and so 60 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:39.480 on, and she really liked the design part and, that is, she 61 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.199 started to put me in the whole part of putting together, the constructive part 62 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:49.120 already of the garden ok then start to deal with the plants, sa, 63 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:55.759 to see the spaces, that is, to deal also with the whole way, 64 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.920 from finding the right vegetation in the nursery to getting to the part of 65 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.759 either, to the house, the development. I have always handled myself in 66 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:14.800 this architectural part, the architectural part, that is, I have not yet 67 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.040 worked on fixing the part of a river or doing a huge reforestation of a 68 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:23.680 forest or something, but rather on the architectural part. Then to take there, 69 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.519 see what the plan, which did work, that the work was no 70 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.680 longer, as the plan says and re- adjusted the treatment of the soils, 71 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.319 to start doing this whole part. And in Tijuana, because the climate 72 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:41.959 is also a little extreme, we have little water and then start to know 73 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:48.120 all this part of and from there fascinated me. It was where I found 74 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:54.279 my passion. The communication part is a little behind us. Ok I continued 75 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:58.319 with her until I returned to Mexico City again because of my husband' s 76 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:04.600 work issues and I felt very lost until really a lady told me come and 77 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:11.120 put me in an office and try again. And then I put the office 78 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:17.360 with all the indoor floors and it was an amazing transformation in space and that 79 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.040 ' s where I said. This is what I like. I have to 80 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.560 get more involved in seeing who I am then with the depression that they had 81 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:32.519 brought me back to the big city with him again finding schools with everything that 82 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.759 my family was here. Actually, I did, I missed Tijuana terrible, 83 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:44.360 seriously terrib wow. So, looking for a little bit to see if I 84 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.519 ' m not fine, no one else is right around me, that is, 85 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:51.680 the family, really started to destroy. Then we decided that everyone had 86 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.040 to find their balance again and where it was clear. I went to American 87 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:02.600 University, a graduate in landscape architecture, where it was fantastic, because I 88 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:10.879 started doing small jobs and started growing a little bit more. So, in 89 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:15.800 that I found a project that they gave me in Queretaro, in Curiquilla and 90 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.160 when I arrived it tells me not good is that the most serious thing that 91 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:23.920 we have here is a problem that the houses are at a level and in 92 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.040 a slope and the water when they rain I want thalgo, it really rains 93 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.920 and if in a data I said it goes auga that is my garden, 94 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:31.160 it will be that the houses of Anamn drown. Yes, of course, 95 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:36.000 the drainage system that I had never studied, as it was a problem. 96 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:41.720 So, in my diploma I came in with my drawing by hand and I 97 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.759 said listen, I have this problem and throughout the whole class process that the 98 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:50.720 others were really learning from zero aha. It was super interesting because as a 99 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:58.680 team and the teacher and everyone there got into my problem. We solved the 100 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.120 drainage and the lighting, the problem of the soil, that is, the 101 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.319 distribution, the size of the trees, that is, we were all distributing 102 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:11.439 it. Then, of course, I learned a lot from the technical part 103 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.600 I was missing. Of course, that' s where I cheered up and 104 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.879 I said this is my thing I have to start and I started now. 105 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.480 Yeah, like they say, I didn' t feel like it, well, 106 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.000 yeah, I did, but it was a building. Then my bar 107 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.879 in the living room of my house and of course I don' t know 108 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.959 anything about coach, I can' t draw on any of these. Then 109 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:37.440 I felt like I had one arm less and said well, what do I 110 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.879 do, because not really there yes, this yes. I began to invite 111 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.720 for some projects a sketch artist who was also at the best in the race 112 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.240 we started to do, as I did my drawing work. I always liked 113 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:56.440 to study engraving and painting and so on, but the technological part isn' 114 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:01.559 t exactly my passion. Okay, so, with the help of other kids, 115 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:07.000 we already started making these plans with some architects who were starting to come 116 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.240 out. So I said well, let' s transmit my drawing of little 117 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.799 rays and colors to a plane of car. Then I began to lose this 118 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:24.399 fear. Then be there. We were there and then I had a partner 119 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.120 who was very good until she went to live on the other side of the 120 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:33.679 world and I stayed again by myself and then we already set up an office 121 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.320 and I kind of encouraged myself to do other projects, that is, from 122 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:43.039 the small office, from the little house, to start doing more residential projects, 123 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.759 development, real estate, restaurants and, that is, it' s 124 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:56.799 the industrial ones, that is, to break those fears and I still felt 125 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:58.919 that I was lacking some information, that is, I felt like this part 126 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.440 of a son. I' m not an architect, a landscaper by profession, 127 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.840 I' m not an architect either, and I was afraid to tell 128 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:09.559 the world that I was doing this, so I didn' t have a 129 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:16.120 title. Then I went back to school again. I love that, I 130 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.120 love that you always go back to school from the exact house, because, 131 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.919 I mean, insecurity is what kills us. Yes, totally, totally, 132 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.639 yes, the insecurity of what kills us, what we have, okay, 133 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.879 that' s going to be there forever and it' s a ghost that 134 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:35.759 today, after seventeen years, chases me clearly, but I don' t 135 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.720 have to be afraid of insecurity, but know what my fear is and say 136 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.440 ok how you bind it. So, in this case I went to do 137 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.840 a master' s degree at the University of Anahuac Ok So, I kind 138 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.639 of said Ok, I don' t know if the degree gave me more. 139 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.279 In fact, I went back to school and I said, because this, 140 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.039 all of this I already know and this also of course, that you 141 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.200 learn new things always. But I realized that it was more my fear that 142 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.799 I wouldn' t have a role that said it was you think it' 143 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:07.440 s that I really didn' t know what I was doing. Yes, 144 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.919 because you already had a lot of knowledge and, above all, practice. 145 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.320 Practice is what I was doing. And then these parts where I bore him. 146 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.120 I don' t know how to do this as I solve it I 147 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.120 go to someone who knows about drainage or I have to know everything. So 148 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.360 at that point it was that we started to do a multidisciplinary office where, 149 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.080 okay, I did take arboriculture courses, but I lived to the voice. 150 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.120 I don' t go up to the tree to cut off the branch of 151 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.559 it, that is, 15 meters from the ground. So I already have 152 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.360 a team that are professional tree growers who are discharged from the edema before. 153 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.639 I don' t know how much I can take and say ok I can 154 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.159 do the pruning of these trees that have this infection. Yes I can, 155 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.000 but I have to do I have to know who and how to solve clear 156 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.519 what my responsibilities are, what are the legal responsibilities I have, what are 157 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.720 the precautions I have to do when it comes to removing a branch from a 158 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.440 twenty- meter tree so that it won' t fall on a person who 159 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.799 is passing. So, I mean, what I' ve been discovering, 160 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.720 is that part where I don' t have, I mean, yeah, 161 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.320 being afraid. Okay, fear pushes me clearly to someone other than grow, 162 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.840 but I mean, not to panic, because then panic is the one that 163 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:39.720 immobilizes you. Yeah, so, if you ask me what I have to 164 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:46.799 do is that would break a little bit with that the schemes of saying ok 165 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.440 I' m insecure how I remove that insecurity and to keep going, then 166 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.360 so, one day I discharged this thinking. One day I started billing, 167 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.399 one day I put an office and yes, the responsibilities are greater if you 168 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.960 want to grow, of course and one day I said well, I never 169 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:07.519 wanted to do was landscape and draw and so on. And now it turns 170 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.960 out that I also have to know about administration, about accounting so that I 171 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:18.039 understand the numbers, I mean, it' s a lot of things that 172 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.799 I' ve been breaking up and I can tell you that I' ve 173 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.759 always done it and I' m a pre- carrying person. So I 174 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.600 ' m not a person who is venturing into the big, but rather. 175 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.320 That' s what I want, but I have to make my list of 176 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.480 how to get there clear, yes, yes, yes, I understand you 177 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.200 and today it' s very good, but I, I mean, you 178 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:41.559 got ahead of yourself, but in the arena that' s not yes, 179 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.799 of course it is. I think everyone should make it true that when we 180 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.600 find a passion something you do like the truth. I think it' s 181 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.799 worth it, yes, of course, in any area. In any area, 182 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:56.120 whatever it is, yes, yes, it doesn' t matter that 183 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.360 way it' s family. I' m 26 years old from Madrid, 184 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.919 demon. Not everyone' s been good. In fact, there have been 185 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:09.159 some stages, not even some bad events, some bad long stages. Sure 186 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.440 where you have to ask yourself, too. I want to be here, 187 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.200 this is worth it. I want to go on and if I want to 188 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.759 go on, how do I have to, of course, and then start 189 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.240 over. I mean, okay, we got a problem. Okay, he 190 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.080 ' s got a problem, yeah, yeah, he' s got a 191 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.360 problem, but I have a problem, too, because here I am next 192 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.279 to this person. Okay, if he' s willing to fix it, 193 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.360 I' m willing to do what I' m willing to do to improve 194 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.480 this situation. Sure, then I think so. In all areas it is 195 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:43.399 so, yes, having three children and everything always, there is always a 196 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:50.600 prayer problem. Wowro' s a pain in the ass because, unfortunately, 197 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.840 hearing that someone is so old in marriage isn' t that usual anymore. 198 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.279 You know then when you said twenty- two and I said wow, it 199 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:01.480 ' s amazing what a father you can, it' s true, come 200 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.960 also yes or no. It is not an adventure also clear, but also 201 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.679 the hearing that you have already been seventeen, not fourteen, fourteen years of 202 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:15.639 forming seventeen. There you can find out about this landscaping thing because it is 203 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.960 also amazing, because many new offices arrive here in a dirradio. But it 204 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.879 ' s also very nice to hear. We already have a course of seventeen 205 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.919 years. Wow, it' s amazing. There' s a lot to 206 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.879 learn from you too, because thank you very much. But that is part 207 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.559 of it is first it does the small things and then you arrive with the 208 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.159 architect in this here, in my case, it arrived for the architects of 209 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.759 Hey, because I do this and tonces be good And you who are not 210 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.519 aha and I look good. I can show you this that I already know 211 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.720 and if you give me something that you' re working on, how I 212 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.960 can work together with you. Of course not, because the part of landscape 213 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:58.480 is a part that in reality I can tell you harmonize transforms the space, 214 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.759 even if the architecture is spectacular, ok that is, I can tell you 215 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.639 that a building, that is by itself or a city that has nothing green 216 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.799 that is, would really be completely depressive. Yeah, don' t go 217 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.879 to the clan to see that you' re going to get depressed probably talking 218 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.519 about it, but nowadays there are studies where, for example, that is, 219 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:32.080 if you find a super poor place, where it' s cone that 220 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:37.759 talking mind and there' s no vegetation, the violence in that space is 221 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.480 multiplied by forty percent wow. If you go to another place, suppose here, 222 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.679 in Mexico City, in socho milco, in the areas more or less 223 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.480 humble than there is and there is, if eight thousand is a delegation that 224 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:55.080 really there is much greener compared to the same, that is, the same 225 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.320 economic situation to another place in the city identical, but in o and milco 226 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.000 there is green and in this other place there is nothing greener, that is 227 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:08.599 to say, basically forty percent violence really drops, that is, domestic violence 228 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:15.720 in the streets, simply because the environment transo, of course and in this 229 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.880 part of that is, of right now that we are suffering from this heat 230 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:23.799 that you say I don' t know what to do anymore. Yeah, 231 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:29.359 I mean, we should really wonder how many trees we have to plant to 232 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.119 lower the amount of heat that' s coming out of the ground. Of 233 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:36.359 course because the heat hasn' t changed, the one coming from the sun, 234 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:40.559 yes no. The problem is what we are irradiating from the ground of 235 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.400 all that is this, from all these constructions and the shadow. What we 236 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:51.559 need is to mitigate that heat through the vegetation so that we lower the temperature 237 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.559 and down to six seven degrees with a couple of trees. Of course, 238 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.759 then, how the landscape, apart from giving an aesthetic view, transforms the 239 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.400 lives of the people around it. Yes, if not, it' s 240 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:14.559 not because it looks nice only, but because it has a goal to say, 241 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.920 let' s put a balance here right. So what we' ve 242 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.680 been doing is, for example, there in Santa Farida, you' re 243 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.680 saying, in Santa Maria, in the Ribera, that we were talking about 244 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.920 a project. We' ve done a couple of projects there, Santaniera. 245 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:34.000 How beautiful and one of them we feel very proud that won the Latin American 246 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.839 landscape biennial. What a father. Then whatever it is. One of the 247 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.160 reasons is that, that is, this building must have, if I remember 248 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:47.000 correctly, four or five floors. Every floor has a garden. It doesn 249 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.799 ' t matter if you' re on the ground floor or the fifth floor 250 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.640 and it' s the roof garden. All windows are small apartments, between 251 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:00.759 sixty and one hundred and twenty meters is the largest. All the windows see 252 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.799 a green area. So it doesn' t matter if it' s a 253 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:12.720 tree and a pot, but the living situation of the people who inhabit that 254 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.480 space is completely different from the building next door than when you open the neighbor 255 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.119 ' s door and again you have another door and a long corridor and again 256 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:25.400 Romanian that is, and your windows come to the building across the street that 257 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.640 is. Today, we are working with other architects and developers. It' 258 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:37.240 s this one, I mean, okay, it' s worth having all 259 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.160 the meters built that, that is, that the delegation gives you. Well 260 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:45.319 the mayor' s office in this case forgive this one or let' s 261 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:51.440 get these so that the quality of life of the people who are going to 262 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.319 occupy this housing area will be transformed. So we' ve been with examples, 263 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.319 with work, things to knock on the door and say come on, 264 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.599 I mean, it' s okay, that' s going to sell a 265 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.519 lot more apart, that' s what you prefer. Yes, you have 266 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:08.160 two hundred apartments, which will take you four years, of course sell them 267 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:14.920 for an example. But if we remove ten departments and now we have one 268 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:19.680 hundred and ninety departments and those spaces for those departments, we turn them into 269 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.519 gardens or green areas that people can use, the selling time is reduced. 270 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.559 So instead of selling two hundred in four years, he sells one hundred ninety 271 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:32.559 in two. Of course, obviously, it works economically, too. Of 272 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.720 course, it' s a great plan. It' s a great plan 273 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:41.160 because you don' t have to wait for all this back then transforms or 274 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:48.720 is really the economy, the housing part, the way to live any space. 275 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.359 And what we' re trying to do in the office is don' 276 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.400 t open the door and say. Oh, yeah, there' s a 277 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:56.839 green area. Oh, so grassy and so not. That' s no 278 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.119 use on the axis. Maybe not what I want, but you' re 279 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:06.279 out there. From the pandemic we saw the importance and the need to generate 280 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.319 green areas and shelf, yes, hey it is on your bench and it 281 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:15.839 is in dice. These berg areas have become places to cook, places to 282 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:21.559 work. Nowadays, people make home office still clear not, and this extension 283 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:29.119 of the interior with the exterior has become completely important. So that, too, 284 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.119 did help the architects see that we needed more green sarios. Totally not. 285 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.759 So, like that also gave us a plus. And also in the 286 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:45.960 pandemic, that is, we went from the companies, let' s say 287 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.519 benefited because yes, that is, by being locked up, you' re 288 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:55.279 realizing that the little plant that you have in the corner also gives you clear 289 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:59.759 look you lowers the stress, that is, better of oxygenation inside your house, 290 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:04.200 that is, the landscape goes to so much and touches so many things 291 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.400 that good beyond aesthetics. Yeah, exactly, I could talk gloomy, but, 292 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.200 well, over there. That' s why I' m a landscaper 293 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.240 and port I stayed there and that' s why you' re going to 294 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.000 come over more times to keep telling me what parents you hear. Yes, 295 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.400 many people are left with the idea that for a landscaper, if no more 296 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.839 comes to plant to go buy them is, that is not to think well 297 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.119 what type of plant, what type of treatment, what kind of garden, 298 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:32.799 that is, you need to just get to the mind of the problem that 299 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:37.400 you are going to attack, for example, noise, stability. I don 300 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.640 ' t know about someone who' s suffering from the most distasteful, I 301 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:41.880 don' t know anything, I mean. Many things work with vegetation and 302 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.759 just as you said, in the pandemic we live it, that is, 303 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.160 there are people who stayed closed and already lived like a caged lion because it 304 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.240 no longer endured itself. And all because sometimes I didn' t have well 305 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:56.039 - conditioned areas or I didn' t have little plants in it. No, 306 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.359 then all that changes with landscaping and gives me a lot. I liked 307 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.359 that you recalculate it so much because it does sometimes go out there as it 308 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.000 ' s not clear to them, and it' s for lay customers it 309 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:07.640 ' s but why the landscaper. And then, I mean, he' 310 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.440 s an expert, we need him. Yeah, and a lot of things, 311 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.160 that' s what we' re trying to do, that' s 312 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.440 the part of vegetation, that' s the part of botany, what we 313 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:23.319 ' re trying to do is use the right plants in the right way. 314 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.119 Not clear, because today, that is, you can see in other countries 315 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:32.640 that in a square meter plant three or four plants and we here in Mexico 316 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:40.400 plant twelve. Why. Because one has an anxiety problem that since we have 317 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.400 this part where the climate benefits us and the plants, many of them, 318 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.839 are always green, that is, they are perennial throughout the year. So 319 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.599 seeing a hole, a space causes us, causes waxes. No. In 320 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.000 fact, I have to tell you, that' s me the first times 321 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.359 with the trees, which are deciduous, to say they lose the leaves. 322 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:06.039 During the autumn winter season, yes, I said well, he died already. 323 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:07.880 Why don' t you leave leaves, I mean yes, then, 324 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.359 until I said to see I' ll give you until the 21st of March, 325 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.160 literally the idea of spring. If it doesn' t have leaves, 326 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.759 I worry and if it doesn' t mean it' s in its normal 327 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.359 state of and if we have the seasons, we have to observe more. 328 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:27.960 Today, please observe the jacaramas are ending, but we are still seeing them. 329 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.640 But please observe all the bugambilias as they are. They' re amazing 330 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.839 and amazing. One of the reasons why they are amazing is because of the 331 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:44.440 lack of water ok ok or ran ok that does not benefit from this drought 332 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:51.279 or that they benefit from it and what they produce in their systemic nature is 333 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.480 a greater production of something else. Not in this case of bugambillas. The 334 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.359 bougambilia. Actually, the flower of the playambilia is not the one that has 335 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.240 the color aha or right now, that come outside and see all the color 336 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.640 you say child how beautiful are the flowers of the pea buga. Those are 337 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.200 leaves inside those three leaflets that you see are the ones that have color. 338 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.519 There are little flowers, little yellow ones. That' s the blooming. 339 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.640 Or the little girl. Yeah, the little girl aha, but we don 340 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.599 ' t care at the end of the story. That' s the bugambilla 341 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.799 problem. What we want to see is the color it has. Yes and 342 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:30.680 right now they have so much color because of the lack of water. I 343 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:37.720 didn' t know it was that in your house this one has a bougambilia 344 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.200 and it' s but powerful, I said, but it hasn' t 345 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.160 rained, that' s almost accurate. We' re kind of sacrificing the 346 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:47.319 water a little bit. And I say well, now put the bare minimum 347 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.440 in order for him not to die clear. Yes, yes, yes, 348 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.240 and the minimum necessary for the lawyer not to die makes it as it is 349 00:25:52.359 --> 00:26:00.440 right now. So this observation is magnificent. So I' m in this 350 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.960 city that you come in eternal traffic, yeah, yeah, I' m 351 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.240 seeing and there' s this tree, oh this one, why it' 352 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.799 s getting better, this one that' s in the camel that nobody peels 353 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.160 it for. If it has all this blooming and my friend' s house 354 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:18.400 is, I mean, why? Well then these observational questions, you start 355 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:23.759 to find them and you start to see these skins as water does him good. 356 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.400 Most of you please take care of your indoor plants in your house. 357 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.799 One of the reasons that plants die inside your house is because you don' 358 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.559 t have a drain, that is, the pot. It should never always 359 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.680 be with water. It always has to drain. Some have to have a 360 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.319 little plate to lift it has to have a hole that' s the reality. 361 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.400 Okay,' cause the water stays in there and they start making a 362 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.240 stew, and those are like the fungus in their toenail that' s six 363 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.200 months and it doesn' t go away. Okay, and there' s 364 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:02.240 someone to be treating him, and he comes back from the insulating fungus this 365 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:06.920 hard. So, that' s actually the indoor plants. Many die from 366 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.160 the amount of water we put in them. Yeah, because layman needs a 367 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.799 lot of water. Not there. If I already have an exact puddle, 368 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.759 if you want a chart then there are other plants to live in the chaco, 369 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:19.519 then know you have to put. Not then, for example, I 370 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:25.319 see the camels and the people of the mayors come and put the plants and 371 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:30.240 it turns out that they always have to have a lot of maintenance because they 372 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:36.000 are shrubs that grow eight meters and they want to have them always forty centimeters, 373 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.240 of course, but because of aesthetics or because they liked the color or 374 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.839 whatever, or they can always that because it comes small from the nursery they 375 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.559 put it in front and the plant in the back is only going to grow 376 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.279 forty centimeters, of course, you have to cut it out of front by 377 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:52.480 then knowing that you are going to put it in front or back or where 378 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.799 it goes. What is the function if I want to make a green barrier, 379 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.920 if what I want is to integrate, what is the plant with the 380 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.759 maintenance of the world, because it is grass the grass, of course, 381 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:10.359 we have to try to edit, because it uses a lot of water, 382 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.519 lots of fertilizers so that it is really show yes, green green green green? 383 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.960 And green, right? And then we don' t like it is 384 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.000 that it has a stain, because yes, the dog pissed and the urine 385 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.799 is acidic. Sure, no yes, exactly. So, I mean, 386 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:29.039 you have to know about this. Then hiring a landscaper. I love doing 387 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:33.240 today, I make small spaces and big spaces. I don' t care 388 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.400 how much. The little ones fascinate me, because that' s where you 389 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.759 have to get a lot of creativity, you have to solve a lot In 390 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.279 the end you want to have, that is, it' s like in 391 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.799 a small house you' re going to want to have the kitchen in the 392 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.240 bathroom all in the way, even if it' s small enough and what 393 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:52.400 you have to do, that is, solve it well. Not then the 394 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.559 small spaces, because you have to solve them well for the needs of both 395 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:04.119 the place and the client, because you can tell me ay puts here on 396 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.920 my balcony a palm tree, that is, yes I will tell you you 397 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.759 know no no, because this palm is going to grow twenty meters. Oh, 398 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.200 no, but I' m gonna put it in there, and that 399 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.000 takes a lot of time. Time passes, of course truth, yes, 400 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.519 yes, yes, then that time you can no longer remove the palm tree. 401 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.440 We just killed her. In other words, the knowledge of this vegetation 402 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:29.680 is important for the design. Of course it gives you the sun, if 403 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.039 it doesn' t give you the sun, that is, this part of 404 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.799 the substrate. There' s no substratum with arsilla. And what we don 405 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.240 ' t want to do today, I mean, okay, I want to 406 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.079 put this plant on. It is a plant in the being removes from the 407 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.039 sea. Why, because then you have to put him change the whole substratum, 408 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.000 that is, the whole earth, so that it is seen because the 409 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.839 sea is removed, because the substratum has salt, of course, and then 410 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.000 Sara is planted, you do not like the salt you will die, because 411 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:07.920 what we want to do is that you live your garden do not suffer exactly 412 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:08.799 And then all these people is that I no longer touch them because I kill 413 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.759 them. That' s not true. Really, it' s not true. 414 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.720 They don' t kill them. In fact, leave it to your 415 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.480 plants, that is, don' t ask them so much, just the 416 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.599 right amount of water, a little fertilizer. They can be many natural fertilizers 417 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.079 nowadays that we could have, that is, and do at home with very 418 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:33.039 little ol things of plan, because we have to use some organic fertilizer. 419 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.160 It also fucks with the animals of the excrement of that is, there are 420 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.759 so many things that can be done. Of course, listen, I wanted 421 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.720 to touch on a theme right now that we were talking about landscaping plants, 422 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.160 some more urban landscaping that, for example, is the huehuete that is there 423 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.279 in the roundabout, formerly the glorita de la Palma. What do you think 424 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.960 about it, because, I mean, there' s already two and I 425 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.000 ' m still looking at the bonnet and he' s like there. I 426 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.240 ' m doing my best. I think you see yes, it is a 427 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.000 plant, it is a silver that has been given to Mexico City and, 428 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.559 in fact, if you take a walk here in chapultecas, there are many, 429 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.480 many, there are many and this and those that are most beautiful are 430 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:17.480 those that are close to where the lake is, because they require tons of 431 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.000 exact water, but all frosts of water, which I do not think in 432 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.759 the center of the reform we have the ton of water. Definitely, then 433 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.720 it will require, in other words, a lot of external maintenance, it 434 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.799 will cost you a lot of work to adapt to the place. The other 435 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.720 is that it' s a slow- growing tree. So, yeah, 436 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.279 yeah, it' s gonna grow. I think it' s already with 437 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.720 the care they' re doing more, it' s going to grow, 438 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.079 but maybe my grandchildren, great- grandchildren or someone there is already going to 439 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.640 see the truth as it should be. Not sure, it' s going 440 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:55.000 to take a long time and, in other words, under the conditions it 441 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.359 may be. What happens is that it is, it is not a natural 442 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.160 place where it is, where it has the lake, but rather it will 443 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.759 always have to be pouring water and the day we are missing as we are 444 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:08.079 right now. I mean, it' s like gold, because obviously, 445 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.799 you' re going to use it first to mean you' re not going 446 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.559 to use the amount of water that' s required. Sure, that' 447 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:15.599 s why it' s the same for this part of the lawn. You 448 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.960 really have to think right where if we want you not or it' s 449 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.720 a lawn, a square meter to make it perfect and to make it green. 450 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.599 Just as everyone dreams of it, it needs about seven liters of water 451 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.920 per square metre a day. If you think about it, right now, 452 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.480 we' re because you' re already singing very well. There are many 453 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:42.359 other things that you can play with the gravel gardens, gardening, that is, 454 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:51.000 and natural materials like crushed wood. Yeah, but people, people often 455 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.359 think that having nature in houses that look green, but it doesn' t. 456 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.279 Nature is of a lot of colors, of colors of earth colors, 457 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.759 of that is, it has of all then, but people, like they 458 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.720 marry with that idea of having to look green. We have to dub for 459 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.680 our no aha aha exact, since what we' re talking about I can 460 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.880 ' t. I' m not going to be a landscaper because I didn 461 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.960 ' t study for landscapes, I mean, I didn' t study landscape 462 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.680 architecture. Aha what do you think you have to break that that' s 463 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.240 that creates barrier. What I have to do for myself to be able to 464 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.880 do, ok I have to do a b ce so that if I can 465 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.519 do it, that is, so much that I tell you eight years ago 466 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.359 was that we do in the Latin American biennial landscape and I even had a 467 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.759 hard time believing it, that is, to sit down and say that I 468 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.599 am already here, that is, I did like so much yes, I 469 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:46.119 learned so much yes, it is that sometimes we find it difficult to know 470 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.920 what these things are all about. Yeah, yeah, it happens and we 471 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:55.759 have big dreams because focused come focused. Well, focused comes true. That 472 00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.400 ' s not true. Then I think to think you son the city. 473 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.960 We' re gonna die because we don' t have water. No, 474 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.519 we' re not gonna die and we do have water. I mean, 475 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.720 that' s what the water' s gonna start falling out of, and 476 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.880 then we' re gonna know what to do with this water, because we 477 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.519 ' re not gonna make them control again what we' re gonna do so 478 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:16.159 that tomorrow or the next drought season isn' t gonna be like right now. 479 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.679 Sure, then that' s what we need to see. I mean, 480 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.840 it' s not like I' m super positive, but I do 481 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:28.360 think we have the tools to be able to make a corporal. It' 482 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.920 s just that no, it' s that you' re positive, it 483 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.960 ' s thinking about solutions and that' s very different to think about solutions 484 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.280 and be positive. It' s very different, and I think you' 485 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:37.880 re thinking about it. And that helps you a lot, because it' 486 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.039 s acting. It' s not too late to say that he' ll 487 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:45.079 be here. No. It' s just acting and it' s not 488 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.119 coming. Okay, I think he' s going that way. Yeah, 489 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.840 totally. I think so. Hey, what would you have put in place 490 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:57.559 of the water, what would I have put in, what would have made 491 00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.440 your solution, what would have been, because I would have put in. 492 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.719 That is, for example, jacarandas need much less exact water. The thing 493 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.199 is, I think they didn' t put it, because it' s 494 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.679 not really a tree that' s native to Mexico City. The other was 495 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.440 many years ago. Of course in Japanese it is stefato, but the jacaranas 496 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.320 have adapted very well to the city totally. The space of the roundabout is 497 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.719 large so that its roots can grow. Yeah,' cause it' s 498 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.280 got a lot of low root. The problem with the jacarandas on the benches 499 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.480 is that the stool is small. Yeah, it leaves him or nothing a 500 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.719 square meter to grow, and not only does the trunk grow so big. 501 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.360 But that roundabout, because it did have the space for it to grow. 502 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.199 Sure, then I could make a jacaranda. What part exactly this temporality gives 503 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.559 us and justly reform has many. Then it would be like this part of 504 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.320 the center. No, I don' t. To me the idea of 505 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.280 the palm tree, that is, it was romanticizing it and it had been 506 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.119 there for years. But palm trees also seem to me that there are many 507 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.119 types and there are for all places, but to me the palm sounds more 508 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.920 like to coast or desert, because totally, but the city with palm trees 509 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.920 is like this part of wanting to be on the beach, but you' 510 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.079 re not, so I think that' s that, if we' re 511 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.760 in the city, we would have put some kind of tree with a growth 512 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.559 like more ra ok yes, that could be the jacaramba and others liquidating them 513 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.199 maybe not put one alone. But by the liquidmar is a tree that is 514 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:35.719 also very adapted and is quite urban. And if I had been able to 515 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:42.159 see even instead of just one to make a little clearing of liquidambas that need 516 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.559 much less care, this would have been a great solution. That sounds pretty 517 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.119 logical to me. And then, instead of having one, you make a 518 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.719 little sketch. Then there is a little forest which, because we gave in 519 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.360 reformation, is a lung. It' s a lung, not a small 520 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.280 lung. It' s okay. Oh, they didn' t really need 521 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.360 you on that team, they didn' t need homework. He doesn' 522 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.679 t hear today. Tell me what your office is doing, right now, 523 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:12.239 what projects it has, so look, now. I am very excited because 524 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:19.360 we are working on a project that is so that it is not in Mexico 525 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.519 City, but for the Capes, where we are just going to present it 526 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:30.679 to the owner of the land. But they are working great architects and I 527 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.800 am also arrived, I have to say, I arrived like this with my 528 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.679 rhodillitas after all this time and so half me Temblanc, son, I will 529 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.760 enter it with all these who are my ansesis not that is Miguel de la 530 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:52.199 Torre, Tatiana Bilbao, Alejandra Dacosta, Lucio Muniane, this Pardo, that 531 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.599 is, all these architects, so that none were forgotten and they became an 532 00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.360 apology. But all of them, who are great architects, who are making 533 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:07.000 the proposal for this project and me how you and you have an idea and 534 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.280 doctor because of course, but I was the only landscaper. They are all 535 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:15.039 the part of architecture and it is a tenor where the garden will embrace, 536 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:22.440 it will embrace the architecture of these great characters. So, yes, yes, 537 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.800 it still gives me today, it gives me, children of the presentation. 538 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.599 It has to be perfect in the east. It has to be perfect, 539 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.119 that is until I already sat down and when I could breathe and understand 540 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:40.719 what they wanted to say, ok, I can cooperate and I can add 541 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:47.360 value both to the terrain and give greater importance to its architecture. So, 542 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:54.079 this is a project where I still tell you it' s there, but 543 00:38:54.079 --> 00:39:00.000 since we' re working there, we' ve been listening to ideas for 544 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.519 a couple of months and so on. I' m fascinated because I' 545 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:12.800 m learning a lot or so from the landscape part as well as how to 546 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.119 cooperate with these characters who are all really my ansesis and really are admirable. 547 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.960 No yes, not only yours, because they themselves tell me six of mine 548 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.239 also clearly not anymore. And then and it' s okay father, because 549 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.599 it' s a project where there' s going to be the whole part 550 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.639 of this garden, but there' s going to be a part of the 551 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:38.800 farm and there' s a part of the animals and there' s a 552 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.199 part of how to embrace and keep the land as if we weren' t 553 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:52.239 there, that is, as if you came to this nature, then we 554 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.239 ' re working with the real land, the work of how they come now, 555 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.000 yes, in rainy times, how in the capes it falls too much 556 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:08.880 or in hurricane times so that it doesn' t wash and work with native 557 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.159 plants, do the whole part of the garden farm in an organic way, 558 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:13.320 so that all the people who are going to go pass in a hotel with 559 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.840 restaurant and it' s a complex of this. How nice and it has 560 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.760 been very interesting, because we are trying to maintain the vegetation that already exists 561 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.719 and the vegetation that we are going to integrate, because obviously nothing else is 562 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:37.239 the part of landscapes, but we are going to work with farmers with water 563 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.119 engineers for that, we are not going to channel any water, but rather 564 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:49.159 how that water reuses it to these same orchards and how from the native vegetation 565 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.159 we go, because sometimes native vegetation is not the most aesthetic thing that there 566 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.840 is then today. In fact, I think that if you put me, 567 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.039 one of the challenges that you have to do today for the landscape is that 568 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:08.760 the nurseries that are producing plant also focus on this native plant, because, 569 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:14.199 well, I want to put the daisy that is given only in that space, 570 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.199 because what I have to do is to collect seed and then plant the 571 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320 seed because there is no gande to buy. So the production of this native 572 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:29.039 vegetation is not being simple. Okay, this part is a new part that 573 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.920 I think is going to be like working in another sector. But, that 574 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.360 is, we' re seeing how to reuse it and why we want to 575 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.840 use active plant, because you' re going to adapt much faster. We 576 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.639 don' t need to make any changes to the type of soil we have, 577 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:52.599 because it' s very, very sandy, it has salts, it 578 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.519 has to be eroded quickly, that is, then I need a plant that 579 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.719 puts it there and I don' t have to give it just this thing 580 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.840 that we were talking about the bowert that then I have TSI and to bring 581 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.000 all the care from outside so that for the child to be well, but 582 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.679 rather with what it is able to live clearly the one that adapts to where 583 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:09.119 is exactly suabitat. And yes, obviously, we are going to list irrigation 584 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.639 not so that it is always nicer than normal, because if we have in 585 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:19.119 these times of drought and the plant comes down. But if we reuse that 586 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:24.800 same water in a correct way, how to keep the property in optimal conditions, 587 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.199 clear decisions no, and that' s the project, let' s 588 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.639 say big, that' s where we' re working, but we' 589 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.639 re working on small projects. Not then, that' s small houses where 590 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:43.239 they say" son" What we want is to make a garden for my 591 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:47.119 other children and that I tell you that I also like very much, because 592 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.480 they are spaces of five by five where I have to put the poker, 593 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.920 but the game, but the plant, but the place for the pet and 594 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.199 how to do it without that tomorrow I left them this problem, a clear 595 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.960 problem, rather because, for example, Ahorita, I came to a house 596 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.159 and said ay is that I need to fix it, because notice that a 597 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:13.280 few years ago I planted some trees and clear already the trees in his little 598 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.639 garden are huge, of course and you no longer say that the grass does 599 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.039 not come out, because not because you planted some trees that are already bigger 600 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.000 than your house. Sure, then what we' re going to do and 601 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.039 how we' re going to fix it. No, then that part of 602 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:29.199 solving these things so you can live them more. I love you. No, 603 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:36.079 and there' s parents, yes, what a father hears and what 604 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.039 your design process is like. Well, your work process since just that project 605 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:44.360 with the client came to you. The first talk until you give it to 606 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.320 him, as it is, how you carry it out. Okay, there 607 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.559 ' s two important parts here. One is when the architect arrives and tells 608 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.360 me look I' m already finishing my house. Why don' t you 609 00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.960 come if you make it or for all these new architects who are not doing 610 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.519 that, I don' t win. The landscape process has to go from 611 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.159 the architectural design process. Okay, okay. That' s a plus we 612 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.480 ' ll have to have and something someone has to teach them. It' 613 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.079 s not the end, it' s the beginning. Okay, why I 614 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.639 mean it. For example, right now, I have a cli with some 615 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.960 new clients who are a divinura. They' re making you their house. 616 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.000 There we have wanted and then they tell me no, well, yes, 617 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.199 we want to do it from the beginning and, I mean, the first 618 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.719 thing was I gave them a hug and a round of applause because they' 619 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.320 re doing it right. I would have said that, too, yes, 620 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:38.840 yes, no, I mean, you say okay why. Because mostly they 621 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.519 want to make a roof garden on their roof. So, when you get 622 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.079 to roufcarden, you need a lot of things. If I' m going 623 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:51.480 to make a green roof where I' m going to plant directly on the 624 00:44:51.599 --> 00:45:01.679 roof, I have to have both structural conditions as well as what it' 625 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.079 s called as inven specific habilizer drainages. I mean, if you already give 626 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.000 me the finished roof and you tell me, well, now plant planters here 627 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.599 and it turns out I' m only seven centimeters. You' re limiting 628 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.440 a lot, because I' m no longer going to be able to do 629 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.079 what you want me to do, so, if I do from the beginning, 630 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.760 we can put in an irrigation system, a correct waterproofing system, that 631 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.559 is, we can create it together. Not then that I think it' 632 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:34.039 s something a plus and then my design process starts from the day you visualize 633 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.920 what you want. Sure, not then in the developments, okay what we 634 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.199 want. We want to make a plus in this development for just this which, 635 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.079 maybe not all the windows of all the departments, but at least the 636 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.800 whole part in front of the department goes towards something, no matter if it 637 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.719 ' s the balcony. So, if I' m gonna make my balcony 638 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.880 hallway so you can get to your apartments. Of course, don' t 639 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:06.320 make it 90 centimetres. So I need a thirty to put up a gardener 640 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.239 that he gives you the visual on the inside, but they also give you 641 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.559 the visual on the other side of the apartment. I think, I mean, 642 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.079 from your apartment, from the other side you already have a privacy, 643 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.480 you already have a view, you already have, I mean, create these 644 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.000 forms from the beginning. That would be ideal. Then that would be, 645 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.119 I mean, this part ideal. When you get there and you tell me 646 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.119 well, I' ve got my house. Okay, so we see a 647 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:38.360 lot of things there. The first thing would be the needs of the site, 648 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:44.360 which go above the needs of the client, that is in the sense 649 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.920 that if you want to put a palm tree in the center of your house, 650 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.400 I will tell you that can not be clear, no, that is 651 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.119 in that sense. That' s why they go in some need or why? 652 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.719 Because in the house you go to North South and you want me to 653 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:05.280 get you a desert garden, to say the least, and it turns out 654 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.960 that space there doesn' t give you the sun anywhere, at any time. 655 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.079 So I' m going to tell you OK, that is, I 656 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.960 have to first know the conditions of the site, the ecosystem in which Mexico 657 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.360 City is clear, for example, I down here in Rome, I can 658 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.119 get a papaya out here outside your office, they give it to you ok, 659 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.840 but if I get to real forest that is or to veralda sones that 660 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.880 you' re already up there. If I put a dad already, because 661 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.360 it is very likely that your dad will already die, because it is very 662 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.760 probable, that is, there are frosts and the dad and the dad no 663 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.599 longer can stand the nothing and the pforo. OK, I have this thermal 664 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:53.440 condition that transforms me then that ecosystem. I need to know what would be 665 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:59.519 first. Then I need to sit with the customers and see what you want. 666 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.840 Then I want a garden of Sertico. I want this, I want 667 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.840 a place to read. I want the dogs. I have three children, 668 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.920 I have or I don' t have children, but what meals. I 669 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.079 don' t want to invite anyone, but I like to be outside, 670 00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.880 that is, all those needs of what you want what is the same when 671 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.320 it comes to doing your house, that is, what are the spaces that 672 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.880 you don' t use the most and you want a library or an office, 673 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.079 or you only have so little space. But in the same space you 674 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.440 want to have your bedroom, but you cook. But I mean, what 675 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:37.639 is it that the client wants? Okay, so I' m the client 676 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.920 who has a little house and I mean, he also wants a room, 677 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.679 a kitchen and a bathroom. We know that. He who has an outer 678 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.239 part also wants it. Usually people keep seeing it that the garden sees it 679 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.360 from the inside out. Of course and for me it is important, that 680 00:48:53.840 --> 00:49:00.039 is, you, as an architect, put a lot of effort into the 681 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:06.119 design of each of the things, both interior facades or street facades as well 682 00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.599 as facades or interiors, that of the garden, that of the so- 683 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.079 called ones, and no one sees it clearly, but your model is divine. 684 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.719 So what I like to do is tell them listen. I' m 685 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:21.679 gonna make them a space on the other corner of fer but we' re 686 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.639 never going out there, not because you have nothing to go. Sure. 687 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:29.400 If I put an area here then one you have to go to, because 688 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.039 you' re already going to have a space there. If you go for 689 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:37.920 a reason and you already have a motive or the fireplace or the paint area 690 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.320 or the good area don' t need an area to sit down and, 691 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.880 obviously on the side that you already are, then I start to see my 692 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.800 house from another point of view. Of course the architect totally appreciates it. 693 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.920 It is and the truth is, because you put the same effort into it. 694 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.679 You told us there this back there. No one' s gonna see 695 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.800 him and you' re gonna see what you wanted. Don' t give 696 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.159 it to you. All those details are important. Of course, what I 697 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.480 want is for you to use it then if the hallway, but it' 698 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:08.440 s hardly gonna happen anyone doesn' t matter. That is, you have, 699 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.960 because at the time you arrive and bring a vegetation that accompanies you. 700 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:22.159 You' re improving views, but you' re giving perspective to space, 701 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.159 you' re discovering, then you want to go to more places. What 702 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.199 ' s this about? I mean, for me architecture is getting excited when 703 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.039 I' m there, of course wanting to get there and say, where 704 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.599 I' m going to see the lights. Antiero wasn' t all this 705 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.960 week that it was the eclipse. Yeah, I mean, everybody wanted to 706 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.360 see the sky, and I sent them in, I said," Organ, 707 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.000 please, look at the floor" Yeah, the moons, the moons 708 00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.480 across the vegetation, yeah, they looked amazing. Yeah, I mean, 709 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.400 you might not have glasses, and you' re gonna be watching the eclipse 710 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.119 through the vegetation. Sure, yeah, yeah. All these things are completely 711 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.039 exciting new. No one ever imagined there was going to be the eclipse on 712 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:12.440 the floor. Of course, not ever, and that' s what the 713 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.840 plant gives the places where it' s good that everybody wants a roff grve. 714 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.119 I don' t love fashion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then, 715 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.679 and it turns out you never want to be on the train late because 716 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.559 you' re going to work. Yes, then what do I have to 717 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.800 do to make a green space where you have a couple of trees that shade 718 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:39.320 you and come down because they lower you over all the heat and give you 719 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:46.159 more moisture, because even if you have a perbola or umbrella, the heat 720 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.159 below is very different. Yes, you have to bring it down with vegetation. 721 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.800 Sure, then, that process is going that way. So, since 722 00:51:53.880 --> 00:52:00.000 you know the needs of place and then the needs of the client. So, 723 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.719 okay, this yes, you can, this no, okay, you 724 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.039 want a palm tree it' s okay look, but this palm you wanted 725 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.280 grows 20 meters, but there are these others that grow up to two meters. 726 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:13.960 Oh, okay, so I mean, no, and of course, 727 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:19.559 a crazy ok tree, well, it' s just that what I want 728 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.639 is one is a really stupid pig. They fascinate me, they fascinate me, 729 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:28.159 but it turns out that the oak makes a log of a metre and 730 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.159 then makes a leaf of tree. What do you make of twenty- five 731 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.920 and you have a twelve- year- old garden? Yeah, then no, 732 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.599 I don' t definitely finish you anymore. He doesn' t say 733 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.480 yes, well, but there' s not going to grow, yeah, 734 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.039 sure, and time goes by like you said, time goes on in the 735 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.719 vegetation. There, there is also the fantastic part of vegetation, unlike architecture. 736 00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.760 I' m sorry the day you deliver, the whole doctor is perfect, 737 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.960 there' s no scratches in the painting. It' s all right 738 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.360 there, yes, and over time it' s deteriorating to the vegetation. 739 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:02.960 It' s the other way around, I mean, the day I hand 740 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.599 you over is nice and yes, it looks very nice and intact. It 741 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.679 ' s almost the tract, but it' s a baby that needs to 742 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:15.559 grow up. Sure, ga más lene. Then with the maturation you find 743 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.039 these amazing things that you didn' t know what to do. No. 744 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.559 Sure, then your tree, it' s growing and then you realize you 745 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.280 already have a whole family and the tree grew up with you. Of course 746 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.280 not, or this part of the bogamilies that we saw that is, pella 747 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.960 googga billet and I mean, it doesn' t stop surprising you no. 748 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.079 Then nature has this part of eternal surprise. Yeah, that' s right, 749 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.159 that' s right. And what is well standing is that we can 750 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:49.840 also make a calendar where I like monochrome gardens. Aha then or is that 751 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:51.880 good, the garden is green, Yes, yes, it is green, 752 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:59.119 but I have a flowery green, with a very dark green, with a 753 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:07.239 grayish green, then this monochrome green that gives you the vegetation is, well, 754 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.920 I don' t mean infinite. But if you want to, yes, 755 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.039 of course I have textures, that is, I have smells, I 756 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:22.760 have, that is, this part of the colors that give you certain even 757 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:30.400 give you temperaments. Not the same do a garden in purples and blues as 758 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.800 make a garden in yellows and reds China entrances. If I tell you that, 759 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.920 yellow and red you go tropical and the other one is a little more 760 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:43.119 winter, of course not, but the wonderful thing about Mexico City is that 761 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.719 I can do both. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he lends 762 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.239 himself, he lends himself to do both. No, then how from that, 763 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.920 then we already define the spaces, make us a concept from what you 764 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.639 told me, is to tell him or, this is what you believe, 765 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.239 what you see, and this is what I also think it can go. 766 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:06.360 So we fell in love with what you wanted together, I don' t 767 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.239 know how to make a dress. No, then we make a dress of 768 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:15.639 measure. OK because I don' t make gardens that are always coming and 769 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.719 saying oh this Viviana gardens. No, the idea is that you do see 770 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.679 live to, but with you ok or that the garden says of you not 771 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.880 of me, no, that is to say of me it has to say 772 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.519 that it works, that it does not give you can, that you are 773 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.000 happy, because that is what it has to say of no. But in 774 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.840 the garden you have to talk about my clear client who' s going to 775 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.239 use it, how space is going to be used, if it' s 776 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:43.760 a public space, because you say it in a space or it' s 777 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.599 much more uniform. Nothing in the detail that the lady would like is that 778 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:51.159 this neighbor wants this. Yeah, my pretty life, but the rest of 779 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:57.239 the neighborhood has other exact needs. Not then go looking like those needs to 780 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.039 get them out ahead of you. Sure already after that we get out and 781 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:06.039 all the concepts and what I do like to do is when it comes to 782 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.599 delivering a budget, dividing it by spaces. If I don' t feel 783 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.400 like it' s like a list of super- eternals it' s not. 784 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.159 Then I say good in the part of the inner garden, then we 785 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.079 divide it and there I put all the vegetation that goes in that inner garden 786 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:29.639 so that, along with your concept and your plan, you can go reading 787 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.000 and understand that I am giving you no, because if not, it is 788 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.440 very difficult, of course and from there comes the constructive part where it is, 789 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:44.199 and from there we say good. To build this, we need these 790 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:47.960 needs. There are some that sometimes we think there is or there is that 791 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.719 my terrace is very small and then it will cost cheaper than a garden, 792 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.639 because there yes, we are all totally wrong. The terraces are much more 793 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:04.079 expensive than the gardens. Why, because I need on bases and this on 794 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:09.039 base are they can be mud that are say more economical, but it can 795 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:14.960 be wood fiber and that container alone is like a dining room. The dining 796 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.159 room is very expensive, because each chair has a personality on its own. 797 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:25.639 So I can use a lot of pots and these pots, I think, 798 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.800 yes, the most economical is mud, and that' s where we can 799 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.079 go to the European designer pots and others that are worth five zero euros. 800 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.039 Yeah, yeah, I mean. It depends on the budget. Not sure, 801 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.440 one has to adjust to the budget. That' s a very important 802 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:49.320 thing. The landscape can play with the budget without modifying the design to see 803 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.960 why, because I can put you a tree. We' re just talking 804 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.280 about one ok You want to be a perfect olive tree. If you want 805 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.960 an olive tree of these that have already been, I mean thick truncation good, 806 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:05.760 because it will cost you twenty- five thousand pesos, that is to 807 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.079 say, the pure tree more of the relocation, all the more, but 808 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:10.239 the pure tree we will pass twenty- five thousand pesos. But if you 809 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.920 see I say what I want is a flirt and I know it will grow 810 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.880 and I have the patience of such perfect. My olive tree can cost 150 811 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.360 pesos, because it' s just drinking them in the clear, yeah, 812 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.360 yeah, yeah, I' m in the tepaso in the same place, 813 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.159 I' m going to put on a vigo. Sure, the one you 814 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.599 ' re gonna have to wait. That' s the time and the other 815 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.400 no longer and then what I like to play, that is, ok. 816 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:42.760 The most important thing about this courtyard is this OK olive tree. Let' 817 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.920 s spend the twenty- five zero on this album. But the vegetation that 818 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.679 is around, which is a secondary vegetation, we don' t have to 819 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.760 bring mature vegetation and so on. Here we can spend on 25 pesos plants, 820 00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.719 of course, and then we' re going to let them grow and 821 00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:04.159 give them their phases. So that part of playing with vegetation is amazing. 822 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.639 Yes, he' s a father, because that' s true, if 823 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.239 it' s in my exact budget. He can' t. You can 824 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.639 ' t do the little one. No. I can' t that' 825 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:15.119 s gonna grow up later. No, I can' t. You can 826 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.920 ' t. Yeah, no, of course, there are things in the 827 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.000 budget that people then say or say to him, but why he' s 828 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.639 so expensive. But they are this part of the substrates and of having well 829 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.679 done the whole part of that, it is like the infrastructure also of a 830 00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.559 building that no one sees, that is, and the building has five floors 831 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.880 down so that the ten that go upwards do not fall. So that downside 832 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.360 expense that you don' t see is as important in the landscape as it 833 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.280 is in the so- called, knowing what' s in your substrate' 834 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.639 s shape for it to have vegetation. Believe to speak plainly and unlike, 835 00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:52.400 yes, indeed, the part that is not so good is that you have 836 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:57.519 your wall and it is very likely that your wall is still there after thousands, 837 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.119 six thousand. Totally not, but yes, I mean, my old 838 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.800 age is a served ah yes and you have to take care of him and 839 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.519 try more. Then the living being does have, even if he has few 840 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:13.280 needs. Many times they do have that clear idea, so those needs are 841 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.119 going to have to be taken care of, so we give you a maintenance 842 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:22.159 manual. It' s a knowledge and I do like to deliver plant by 843 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.159 plant where it comes from, what it is with the characteristics, what plant 844 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.519 it is when it' s going to have blooming and so on, so 845 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:30.800 that you can do a checklist. Of course, things are happening the way 846 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:37.559 you expect and the truth, day after, what remains is to enjoy those 847 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:43.039 spaces and day after day, I invite them. You can go to the 848 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.320 offices that are there in Monte Libro, not one hundred and twenty. Thank 849 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.000 you very much. And the truth is that we have very nice offices and 850 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:57.199 architecturally, they are very nice and they were very good, but architect who 851 01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:01.400 goes visitor that goes and other, what takes is the ujar de ay. 852 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:07.559 What a father the garden is. We create spaces to be outside, an 853 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.360 auditorium so that everyone who is working in the offices can go to work, 854 01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.280 that is how and we have orchard, that is, okay, father I 855 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.480 really invite them to take a turn when of course if I am going to 856 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.119 take you up and soon I will go I promise you yes, because I 857 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.760 am already curious. My tickle came in. Of course when you like many 858 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.960 thanks, listen and what are five architects or designers that you follow very much 859 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:38.960 their work that you like look, I am bad for names, I am 860 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:44.400 less for names. But that is here in Mexico is actually one because I 861 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.440 would say yes. It' s one of the new professions he' s 862 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.679 been taking. Auge ahorita, suremen are more, but relatively little by little. 863 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:59.199 When I started doing all this, fifteen years ago, I asked as 864 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.400 well as how many countries, that is, how many really landscape architects are 865 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.400 clear, that is, have come out of the specialty that is at UNAM. 866 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.639 Actually as a part we already have that UNAM and in merida there is 867 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.079 a master' s degree and there is like these courses, but as a 868 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:19.239 career as such, there are not so many, there are not so many 869 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.039 places where they can study it. It' s not more like a subspecialty 870 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:29.320 that you' re making me think we really should give it more importance and 871 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:34.679 I think it should already be a career in many more universities. So there 872 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:42.920 I kind of started to meet the Mexican architects and obviously the Mexican architect today 873 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:47.000 par excellence is Mario Shetnan. Of course it' s his most trace, 874 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:52.280 he' s the master of the whole landscape. I think it' s 875 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.280 an example to keep doing wonderful things. It' s still active, it 876 01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.800 gives a lot, that is, a lot of help to the new kids 877 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.639 who are, they' re growing up. Not then, I think, 878 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.559 as well as Mexicans, that' s the truth. I do give him 879 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:12.559 an acknowledgement Alejandra Cuentas, which is with the one with which I had the 880 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:17.119 reference No Aha has a company to manage Garden which father this we will interview, 881 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.159 of course, yes, yes, she are the corporals, but when 882 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.239 when we see they are Nigel, it seems to me the technology already helps 883 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.480 us to be correct. Right. I' ve got an American girl I 884 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:32.920 like very much named Andrea cocran Ok. This she makes as these also residential 885 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:38.599 spaces that make very, very true, very nice places, very like minimalist, 886 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:49.199 but use, using the vegetation correctly to her are my favorite. Then 887 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.920 there' s this whole naturalistic current, which is like I can still say 888 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:59.480 yes to work today, but not so much there isn' t 100 percent. 889 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.719 I mean, I' m not rooted in a single current, I 890 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.920 mean, I like to take what I like as currents, not so I 891 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:12.320 ' m in my person, not so I' m Catholic, but I 892 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:17.320 like my love, that' s my way. Of course, to me 893 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:25.280 spirituality comes through my practice of yoga, then or my breathing practices, not 894 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:31.960 going to mass every Sunday or in vegetation for the part of fertilization, for 895 01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:38.960 example, and pests. That' s who I am, too. I 896 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:45.760 mean, I try to use everything organic until the plant doesn' t have 897 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.280 a flu anymore, it has pneumonia and again I feel very sorry for it, 898 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.880 but I am I have to use the chemical so that this plant doesn 899 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.239 ' t die, because if I keep giving it homeopathy, it is very 900 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.519 likely that it is no longer there. Yeah, no, so that' 901 01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.880 s a little bit my way of thinking. In general, then it is 902 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.960 not today a hundred percent current, but of the naturalistic part of the current. 903 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:09.199 There is a great landscaper who is piet Udolf, who is Dutch. 904 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:11.960 If I remember well or it' s interesting, I' m not going 905 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.760 to hear it, and it' s like, they do some spectacular things. 906 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.480 In fact, he' s working on big, big garden projects, 907 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:25.599 for example, the whole Palace Buckingham but, that is, everything does it 908 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:30.800 out of seed or with seedling, very small is he still drawing with down. 909 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.400 So I' m fascinated because since I' m scinant that father, 910 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:40.840 like me, I' m down and I don' t see cam then 911 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:43.440 I kind of cheer up, and there' s actually a lot of good 912 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.199 in Australia. They also do some spectacular things, but they' re like 913 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:50.480 more of an office. And there' s an office in China, which 914 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:56.480 is that, if I wanted it, I see it' s a Chinese 915 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:57.320 project that I' m sure I won' t be able to name. 916 01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:03.800 But right now. If not right now, we look for it is that 917 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:08.800 the Chinese do not have the name because apart they are called that very complicated, 918 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.920 not jim jar or so. But offices in China are doing some fantastic 919 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.480 things. I don' t doubt it and I' ll tell you what 920 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:19.880 the difference is from the rest of the world. Why the Chinese have me 921 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:26.920 fascinated. One is because they are given, that is, economically the government 922 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.639 gives them the money to be able to carry them out, which does not 923 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.920 happen in other countries totally less Latin America, that is to say Latin America, 924 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.039 but not even the gringos, that is to say they do not release 925 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.760 them. And these Chinese have actually done some, that is, the universities, 926 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.440 depending on where they are, they put the whole part of the work, 927 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:50.840 the rice, the tradition. They' re doing some things. It 928 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:58.039 is a spectacular thought, but it is also not that no one can do 929 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.519 them, that is, everyone can design them, but economically, because they 930 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:08.559 are great things that we cannot. It doesn' t happen that easy. 931 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.960 Okay, there' s one of the dispatches I like the most. Her 932 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.719 name is Turrens. So, turns kpe and it' s Chinese. Okay, 933 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.639 that' s the office. The architect. I won' t be 934 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:24.039 able to be, not for pleasure. They' ll give it to you, 935 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.159 but with the office it' s fine, very interesting. They are 936 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.800 already some, that is where I admire every thing that does what father, 937 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.039 because they do these parks for the children where it no longer has to be 938 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:41.119 the garden or the game, this one of iron, nor plastic, nor 939 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:45.360 wins, but rather become these naturalistic gardens that with it, with the same 940 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:50.559 elements of wood that came out with the puddles, with the levels of the 941 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:58.679 ground, they make the slips, the stones go up and this part where 942 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.480 not that a space is not always the same space, that is, the 943 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.239 kitchen does not always have to be the kitchen, that is, it can 944 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:09.679 be the kitchen, but if it has a long table, it turns out 945 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:11.960 that it ends up being the TV room. But where everyone is there, 946 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.760 where you are the wine, where you work, where you work, that 947 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:23.199 is, these spaces that are multifaceted and these parks where you find that the 948 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.399 children I am mom, I see that that is, that you give them 949 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.640 the game already after the fifth time, because they already did everything, they 950 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.119 already got bored and left it exactly. So, on the one hand, 951 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:38.760 that is, when you become this naturalistic garden, because it is a place 952 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.199 that again stimulates all the senses, not clear, that is, you really 953 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.039 stimulate the view, but the texture, but the smell, but even the 954 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:47.920 taste, not that of any. There' s the mint Try it, 955 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:51.600 that is, the sound. You can put three sticks that with the wind 956 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:57.479 do like this, then you listen. Or you' re in a little 957 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:00.640 forest and when the wind passes, I say in the trees, I mean, 958 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:02.039 I' m the one who likes to do it the most when I 959 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:06.560 do Higkling, that they like very much what' s good, that is, 960 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:13.920 it' s very good to stand up and listen to how nature is 961 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.199 not and, in fact, it' s something that happens totally, yes, 962 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:17.279 it happens and it' s beautiful and he means. It is proven 963 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.520 that, for example, in Africa, the acacias that were eating giraffes in 964 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:26.880 the areas where they were then giraffes turned out that they became much higher because 965 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.680 there they no longer arrived and ate them, that is, they no longer 966 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.760 ate them, so I had to call them higher than ate all the leaves 967 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:40.439 of the tree and we can see them as simple things as even on the 968 01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:44.720 roads. What happens and then the trees say that they will come every day 969 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.680 to cut these trees so that they pass the trailer. Not one day they 970 01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:51.079 cut it, or one day a trailer came to the branches and warned everyone 971 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:57.079 else. Because it' s one thing that goes through roots and so on 972 01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.720 were the structural maps but the trees, from there they don' t pull 973 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.159 any more branches down, never again eh pray it because they know that the 974 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:08.319 trailer passes and peace and and and it' s going to happen home and 975 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.800 it happens. So what they do is they' re already pulling branches over 976 01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.920 to the other side. Sure, I mean, it' s the amazing 977 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.760 bird, the really impossible nature. I invite you to observe everything. Come 978 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.279 in the traffic and don' t get the madre of the front, turn 979 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:27.159 to see the tree, that is, they always see it on the street, 980 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.800 they always see how it is transformed, See how leaves came out. 981 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.720 See what he dropped, see how the shadow is on the floor, that 982 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:43.439 is, observe observe that is. I think one of my apprenticeships, not 983 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.880 every day. Yeah, she' s amazing. Or she' s amazing 984 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.359 and they' re pretty right. We need to look at those details more 985 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:55.159 because they' re so much, so much, and they make your life 986 01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.680 more fun. Sure, of course, instead of getting mad at everyone for 987 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:03.479 the heat for a while, hey my look is amazing talk. We really 988 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:08.319 have to do like a thousand more parts, because I' m learning a 989 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.439 lot from you that really barbarous you' re everything in institution. No, 990 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.840 I don' t know why you' re playing Chiquita with the great masters. 991 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:15.800 If you look the same, ah how cute. Thank you very much, 992 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.000 I mean you' re also a master' s degree, that is 993 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.479 there. Come on, let' s go That' s the joke. 994 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.000 Yeah, three hundred and three hundred or you already are. Of course you 995 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:27.039 are already. Thank you very much for being here and I would very much 996 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:28.560 like to conclude this visit, because I do want you to come again. 997 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.600 I do want to keep learning. I would like to conclude this discussion. 998 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:38.359 What would you say to the architects, to the landscapers, to the designers 999 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.960 who are, just like you, doing what they want to do right now, 1000 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.920 just like you? What would you say to them? One is that 1001 01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.600 he is not afraid that the starter will start as small as they have, 1002 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.880 nothing happens and that they will do what they are passionate about. No, 1003 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:58.800 I mean, break your fears that they always keep learning, don' t 1004 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:02.439 stop learning that. It' s in my office I' m just telling 1005 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.680 the kids to see. You' d go with a doctor who means you 1006 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:10.600 know he' s got the experience, but he' s graduated ten years 1007 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:14.359 and hasn' t taken courses on everything new that' s coming out of 1008 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.960 medicine? You run with that doctor or you' d go with a doctor 1009 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:21.119 who knows he has the experience, but apart from every day he' s 1010 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:27.319 learning from the new medicine that he doesn' t have to give you ten 1011 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.399 injections anymore and nothing else with one he' s going to cure you for 1012 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.960 this, I mean, you' d go with someone who' s always 1013 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.960 growing up or with someone you do know who knows, I mean, that 1014 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:36.680 ' s how far he got, but he doesn' t grow. Sure, 1015 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:43.079 then do not stop learning every day anything, that is, from observation 1016 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.560 to following it up to the best, to some architect who likes to get 1017 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:54.319 in, to read articles, to listen to all podcasts. Now yes, 1018 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.680 you must, that is me, when it comes to running in the car, 1019 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.199 instead of listening to the news, where I agree that one has to 1020 01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:05.880 be aware. But there are things you can' t do more clearly than 1021 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:11.960 your little part. I mean, speaking of the climate world, that is, 1022 01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:14.920 I' m, I' m worried because the world is warming you 1023 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.720 up, so yes, but if I feel like crying about it, there 1024 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.359 ' s nothing to do, because what I can do is maybe make people 1025 01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:25.800 aware that they care for their tree, that they can' t do it 1026 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.399 wrong and that they can learn these things. What' s it to me 1027 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:32.479 about every problem? That also needs to be learned and what they are willing 1028 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:40.079 to benefit the world around them little and hence bigger and bigger ima grandes se 1029 01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:46.199 base. Then you have to learn and if you are going to put an 1030 01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.920 office, I also recommend that you do get into this part of understanding that 1031 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:57.920 it is a small business and these obligations are not always the most fun, 1032 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:00.920 but you have to learn them in order to grow good. Of course, 1033 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.800 then and so first do the first house and then they go and touch the 1034 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:11.720 architect, they tell him that they can what is the value that they will 1035 01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.479 add clear and comes. Thank you so much for being here with us. 1036 01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:16.640 Please, don' t be the last time. We have to be like 1037 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:20.600 a thousand parts of this program, because all your knowledge is amazing. Really. 1038 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:25.399 Thank you so much for your time. Man. Thank you, thank 1039 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.000 you very much to everyone who is hearing there. We' re landscaped theba 1040 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.319 out there. I give Karen all of you please, so if you want 1041 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:39.119 to find us what is offered perfect, then thank you very much, Viviana, 1042 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.079 and thank you very much for listening to us. Stay tuned for the 1043 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.079 other podcasts, because we are here in the first season since he supported here 1044 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.239 in St Louis, Potosí one hundred and thirteen in the Rome Colony. Come 1045 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:54.039 and take a turn and remember that you can find us in all the music 1046 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.800 streams, there is no loss and the new programs are going to come out, 1047 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.119 so very attentive. Thank you Viviana, thank you Audience. Bye Bye.