WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.400 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys ain't your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:21.399 so like Shay, subscribe and read it. Timesta and me listening watching 3 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:30.839 always keep it squidgy. And now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay. 4 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.399 Hey, Bob's how you doing? Man? What's up? Cliff? 5 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:38.840 I just got done with an amazing interview with a fantastic witness. You missed 6 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.960 it, man, Barbara was awesome and um for all your listeners, you're 7 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.079 gonna be able to hear what Barbara has to stay in just a few minutes 8 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:47.679 after this. But Bobo had some issues today. Yeah, I try got 9 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.799 done with physical therapy because yesterday my phone, my recording set up wasn't working 10 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:56.399 so good. I needed to get new headphones and I went to Target and 11 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.039 got them and got back on his you know, they got back and sewed 12 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:00.479 like ten minutes before we're going to start records, Like, oh great, 13 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.200 I made it in time. Yeah, and kudos to you Bobs, because 14 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:06.400 you called me an hour beforehand. I says, Cliff, I'm gonna go 15 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.480 to the Target and get into headphones, which I applaud you for because we've 16 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.959 had problems with your headphones for a few weeks now, and you got back 17 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:15.959 right right when you told me you were going to It was like three oh 18 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.159 five when when I was on the call or whatever, I got back fifteen 19 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.159 minutes before that, I was trying to break in. I was trying to 20 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:26.519 break into what my house. I had a key made, like I was 21 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.920 like probably a year and a half ago, and it was for the house. 22 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:32.599 And you know, they give you that little jankie little key ring, 23 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.280 like that little cheap thin one. Yeah, the one. You're supposed to 24 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.120 throw that away, aren't you. Yeah. But I just clipped it on 25 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.640 my key ring and I've had it for like a year and a half and 26 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.799 it actually came off about six or seven weeks ago, and I put it. 27 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.879 I was like, I gotta remember to go to the you know, 28 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:53.319 the locksmith or the hardware store and get a copy made and get and get 29 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.799 a real real key ring, you know, and freaking thing. I didn't 30 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.319 hear it fall off. It was you know, it's the parking US right 31 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:05.439 along the one oh one freeway and there's cars and people, and so I 32 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.120 just didn't hear it fall I guess, And I get home, and then 33 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.360 I was like, oh man, and then so I went, we have 34 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.560 a high the key. I when got the high the key, didn't it 35 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.400 was the wrong key. So you lost your house key. And then your 36 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:20.639 high to key wasn't the right key. Yeah it was. It was. 37 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.000 It was a it was a quick set lock, and it was a quick 38 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:24.039 set. It looked just like it. It looked just like it, but 39 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:27.560 it didn't. It didn't work, and I knew it was. I was 40 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.840 like, I don't know this is the right one because it wasn't all like 41 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:31.840 the weather one we had it. There's another for like a couple of years, 42 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.199 so it's like fully like got salt damage to it, you know, 43 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.439 it's you know, those things been sitting on the beach for a couple of 44 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.000 years. So I was like, this thing's pretty smooth. I don't know. 45 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:43.439 I noticed that when I was I thought, oh it was great, 46 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.439 put out a new key, and then doesn't work at all. I was 47 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.199 just like, oh my god. So then I was able to jimmy up 48 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.879 like I climbed up on my neighbor's trash can. Because the bathroom windows probably 49 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.039 about nine feet the bottoms about nine feet off the ground and I was like 50 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.120 trying to stack trash cans and make it not wobbly to climb up to get 51 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:06.080 in the window. And I got the window open, like I had to 52 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.360 like pound it without breaking it to get the stick that we put in there 53 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.759 to keep it like locked, because there's no lock on it. Did it 54 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.719 rested away? Of course, I got that stick to fall that. I 55 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.240 got the window all the way open then, but I was only at about 56 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:22.960 my neck to the window and I was trying to hop up. I couldn't 57 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.159 pull myself up and get in the windo because it was such a tight squeeze 58 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.400 because it's a small window. Then I got stuck there for like two minutes. 59 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.240 I was I was like killing my chest. I couldn't breathe. I 60 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.639 was like, oh my god. So I got down. I got down 61 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:37.240 without falling. Actually that was good. I was like, Okay, I 62 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.719 gotta find someone to climbing this window, someone you know, someone smaller. 63 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:44.800 Looked there's no one around, like these are like the workers are around here, 64 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.599 like working onto their houses and stuff, and they were all gone. 65 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.639 I was like, oh man, I was just looking around for somebody. 66 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.639 Then I walked down. I was like, oh, it's it's like three, 67 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:58.120 three fifteen or whatever. I'm like, you know, those kids are 68 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.560 coming up from school usually around now, I'll get one of them. So 69 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.080 I walked down to the couple blocks down to the main street that there's a 70 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.759 bunch of kids that walked down that road now because the school bus drops off 71 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.199 and they've they've been caught on. We had a we had a rash of 72 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.599 breaking the last year, not not the last couple of months, but the 73 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:19.959 people had them on their on their doorbell cameras and stuff like these junior high 74 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.439 kids and high school team kids breaking into people's houses all the time. Oh 75 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.399 yeah, you might as well put you might as well put their skills to 76 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:29.839 good uston. That's what I was thinking. I'm like these kids, I 77 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:31.680 got experienced with this stuff. Then I started thinking like, I don't want 78 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:34.279 to get too old of a kid, because then I don't know how to 79 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.720 get into this place, and I don't want to become a target. So 80 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.839 I was like, I don't want to get too like, you know, 81 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.199 like a like I want to get a kid that looks like like a boy 82 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.199 scout, not like you know, some skate punk and that look like one 83 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.639 of my friends growing up, some hooligan or something. So I was like, 84 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.839 I see these two kids, like two boys walking up and I was 85 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.720 like, oh, perfect, they look like fifth sixth grade or something. 86 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.480 Well, hey, what's up you guys? Like kind of stranger danger, 87 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.800 you know, there's like kind of like said like hot and not the high 88 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.360 like hello or whatever, and hey, you guys want ext some money? 89 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.079 I go give you like five bucks if you go climbing my bathroom window. 90 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.959 I'm locked out and just go in and unlocked the door for me. The 91 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:14.959 kid like kind of looks at all. They look at each other and looks 92 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.040 at me, and I'm like, look, I'll give me ten bucks. 93 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.360 Like they start walking away faster than their eyes are all big and they're like 94 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:25.680 scared, but they just started running. I was like, oh. I 95 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.720 was like, oh my god, they're gonna run home until their parents some 96 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.399 guy trying to kidnap them, you know, like hey want some candy, 97 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.639 you know, they want some money, come with me and climbing this bathroom 98 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:39.279 window. And they just took off front and then I took off front of 99 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:44.399 the other way, and I was sitting out front just waiting for the cops 100 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.839 to pull up. I'm like, oh, I gotta explain this one. 101 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.000 Yeah, try to sneak them into your house somehow, right, right? 102 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.920 Not a good look, bobo, It's not a good looks. It's one 103 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.399 of those things like you know, you get caught that situation, like but 104 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.519 really I was just you know, like you just look guilty no matter what, 105 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.240 no matter what, and and anybody doesn't know your background would say, 106 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.639 well, that doesn't happen to people. You know. There's no way that 107 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.600 you lost a key on a key chain and then your fake the other one 108 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.199 doesn't work. And this is this is nonsense. It's like watching an episode 109 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.920 of signfel of Cramer or something exactly. Well that you live like that, 110 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.120 man, how do you? How do you deal with your life? Man? 111 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:23.079 Like I hate it. It's just must be so frustrating. It is 112 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.959 because I was back on time, like I was gonna be all set ready 113 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.160 to go have about new equipment, and then also I don't have my key 114 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.360 and then the key in the highest spot is the wrong key. Weird. 115 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:39.120 Yeah, well you missed a great witness. Unfortunately her name is Barbara um 116 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.800 and uh, I guess you'll be listening to the podcast. It's like all 117 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.079 of our listeners will be listening after this. So I guess with this, 118 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.560 bopes, Um, why don't we just cut to my interview with Barbara and 119 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.839 you can enjoy the episode along with everyone else. Yeah, I want to 120 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.240 hear this, and you've been raving about her, man, I'm so bound 121 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.759 I missed or I'm just uh Sue. She's super cool, She's one hundred 122 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.639 percent legit, man, and she had a crazy encounter. So listeners, 123 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:10.680 Bobo, feast your ears on this. We'll do. Hello, everybody, 124 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.720 Welcome to another episode of Big Fan Beyond with Cliff and every once in a 125 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.360 while Bobo. Bobo is not here, although he is currently as I say 126 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:26.720 this, desperately trying to break into his own house. That's true. I'd 127 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.199 rather Bobo get to tell you this story. And I mean, I've been 128 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:31.600 to Bobo's house. I know what it looks like, I know the quality 129 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.199 of the house. It really should not be that hard to break into the 130 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:38.720 house. A good push on the front wall would collapse half of it. 131 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.959 So I really think that we will be hearing from Bobo at some time in 132 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.399 the next hour, but I cannot guarantee that. I wish I could and 133 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.399 I'll tell you it is quite the story this time. As you know, 134 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:55.279 Bobo has a cloud of chaos following him around wherever he goes, just like 135 00:07:55.399 --> 00:08:00.519 pig Pen from the Snoopy cartoon has a cloud of filth following him around. 136 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.720 But chaos has struck again. Murphy's Law has struck again. Bobo is Jess 137 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.920 Bobo, and there's nothing any of us can do about it, not even 138 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.639 Bobo. But at the same time, that's the reason we all love Bobo, 139 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.680 isn't it. Bobo is himself, unabashedly and unapologetically, and he's a 140 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:24.279 victim of himself, unfortunately, and today's another example of that. But hopefully 141 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.600 Bobo can break into his own house and turn on the computer and join us 142 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.759 in the next few minutes or hour or something. We'll see, because Bobo's 143 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.519 gonna be superbummed. He's gonna miss this one. We have a fantastic guest 144 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.159 today. We've brought in this witness, this woman. His name's Barbara. 145 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.399 She came into the NBC last week or something like that, and I took 146 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.480 a sighting report from her, and it was just one of those sighting reports 147 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.960 that I just knew I had to share with the larger public. It is 148 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.240 so great, so dramatic, and so unusual. I just knew I had 149 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.639 to share it with you, guys. And because you know how I about 150 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.159 sightings. Sightings are the thing ran ran across the road or standing on the 151 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.799 side of the road, and it's a point on a map. It is 152 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.720 a place in the time on a map that points us to maybe where we 153 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.679 can look for sasquatches in the future. But this one, this one's a 154 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.480 little special in some ways, and you'll you'll see what I mean. So 155 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:18.679 Barbara, Oh, by the way, if there's also I want to let 156 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.600 you guys know that Matt Prude is a fantastic producer and he's going to make 157 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.000 this sound as good as possible. But Barbara is actually sitting in the same 158 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.960 room as me right now. So if you feel that this this podcast is 159 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.480 not the same audio quality or something like that, that's why I know Matt's 160 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.840 going to do a great job cleaning it up and making it sound great. 161 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.600 But Barbara and I are sitting around a microphone together upstairs at the North American 162 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.200 big Foot Center right now, So if you probably hear some of the room 163 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.799 noise, room ambiance and that sort of thing. So I want to explain 164 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.399 that as well. But Barbara, thank you very much for coming on Bigfoot 165 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.240 and Beyond with Cliff, and every once in a while, Bobo, thank 166 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.360 you. Cliff. It's nice to be here. Yeah, thank you, 167 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.919 thank you so much. Well, start by talking about your background a little 168 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.279 bit, because you are a very competent observer because of some of the things 169 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.320 you've done in your life, like law enforcement, for example. So can 170 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.960 you tell us a little bit about your background. Sure, I have degrees 171 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.919 in bully inspection, plans examining and worked in Marion County doing that until the 172 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.120 housing crunch in the eighties, and then I went into a law enforcement because 173 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.200 there's no shortage of criminals, no, and I don't think there ever will 174 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.120 be. I stayed there with Mounteney mccunty for sixteen years as a deputy, 175 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.440 and after that I retired. Were you a beat copp or just a dusk 176 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.840 thing or what were you doing for that? Because I was My father was 177 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.279 a sheriff, so there's all sorts of roles. What did you do? 178 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.879 I did everything from courthouse to transports. When I injured my knees, I 179 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:54.200 ended up with three total knees. Then I went in inside correctional facilities because 180 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.840 I could work for controls and things like that. Great. Okay, Now 181 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.399 the sighting that was before you became a law enforcement officer? Is that right? 182 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.600 Correct? Okay? Okay, very good. Now had you ever thought 183 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:11.200 about sasquatches before the sighting at all? Or I'd heard about Bigfoot? But 184 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.360 I used to laugh because I thought these people were bonkers. I didn't believe 185 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.200 in Bigfoot at all. Okay. And just to set the scene here, 186 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:26.639 you're sighting. It happened when nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, the 187 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.360 first or second weekend in July. Okay, very good. Well let's just 188 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.600 start from there. What were you doing, who were you with, and 189 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.759 how did you get to the spot, all that sort of stuff. So 190 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.039 you're just tell us the whole story, and I'll prompt you if I need 191 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.960 to about questions with Okay. I was dating a man who was a Native 192 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:50.879 American Indian. He was six foot seven, very bold build. Because of 193 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.600 his Indian heritage, was able to gain entrance to like the u Matila Reservation 194 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.679 where we ended up going that weekend and we chased some wild horses, swam 195 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.159 in the river and just kind of spent the whole day there. And he 196 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.720 said he knew his favorite campsite, which was up in above Pranville, about 197 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.759 twenty miles up on an old logging trail, and he used to go bow 198 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:18.279 and arrow hunting from the time he was twelve up in that area. So 199 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.080 we had it. We had his jeep. The ride up the logging trail 200 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.519 was pretty hazardous because it had washed down in several spots, but we made 201 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:33.320 it to the top and there was a small plateau and the plateau ended. 202 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.600 It was the end of the trail from the logging trail, but under one 203 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:45.159 of the trees was a small, miniature, beautiful little spring, kind of 204 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.960 like a mini crater lake, so actual like a pitfull of water kind of 205 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.720 or a spring seeping out of the ground. No, it was a pit 206 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.159 full of water right at the base the roots of a tree, and you 207 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.240 could see quite a ways down into the water as crystal clear. This is 208 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.200 at the top of a mountain, so there's more the water sources nearby. 209 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:09.120 Okay, Yeah, we were about thirty to fifty feet from the ridge going 210 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:15.440 over the mountain. So anyway, we made a campfire, had dinner, 211 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.919 and we were pretty tired from the day's activities, so we went to bed 212 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:26.360 in a pup tent, and about three thirty in the morning, this got 213 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:35.240 awful, screeching, screaming. It's hard to describe. It made your body 214 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:41.360 vibrate, it hurts your ears, and it was just one after another, 215 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:48.679 and we had no idea what was going on. So he said to get 216 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:50.399 out of the tent, and it was pitch black out. We couldn't see 217 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.600 our hand in front of our face. The fire had gone out, so 218 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:01.200 we stood with our backs up against a tree and we couldn't figure out what 219 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.519 it was. We couldn't hear each other as we were standing side by side 220 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.720 because it was so loud, so you couldn't hear yourself over the screaming that 221 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.879 woke you up. No, because we both had guns. He had a 222 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.120 forty five and I had my thirty eight. And he said, after a 223 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.720 few minutes of this, he said, I'm going to fire up in the 224 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.519 air and see if it scares whatever it is off. And I said, 225 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.720 if you do, we're dead. And I truly believe that. So I 226 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.440 stepped forward into the jeep and he pulled a switch. I don't know what 227 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.200 it turned on the headlights. Okay, how far away was the jeep from 228 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.919 the tree? Two or three feet? Oh? So it was right there. 229 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.440 You didn't have to make a break forward for twenty feet or something. 230 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.879 No, it was right there. And turned on the lights and we saw 231 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.360 out three big foot. He was not a believer in bigfoot. He'd heard 232 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.519 legends from his tribe that his grandmother used to tell him, don't go out 233 00:14:54.600 --> 00:15:00.200 hunting after dark because there's a name that the Cherokee Nation has for bigfoot. 234 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.960 Pronounce it right now. But he used to laugh at that, thinking she 235 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:09.799 was just overprotective. Were the sasquashes that you saw when the lights came on? 236 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.279 Probably ten feet in front of the jeep, So right there, right 237 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.759 in the spotlights? Right there? Wow? Well, what did they look 238 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.240 like? Describe those to us? Or were they all? Were they all 239 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.240 the same or were they different? Or what would they look like? They 240 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:28.159 appeared to be about the same height, They weren't touching, they were side 241 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:33.639 by side, and I noticed they didn't have a neck. They had a 242 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:41.200 kind of cave head shape or the conical shaped conical Yeah, and all I 243 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.799 could basically see was their eyes. They were very dark color. We could 244 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:50.080 tell they were angry, they were just I wish I could better describe the 245 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.000 noise. It was unbelievable. It was horrifying. But was it a high 246 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.279 pitched shriek or the load thing or very high pitched, very high. I 247 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.399 couldn't even reach that pitch if I tried. It was extremely high pitched. 248 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:07.320 Where were the screams long and drawn out? Or were they short bursts? 249 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:15.480 Or they were shorter in time wise? But they were communicating. One would 250 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.080 scream and then we would hear something behind us, or one I can't tell, 251 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:26.240 I didn't see it, and then the other would. They were communicating 252 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.960 with it. So the three that you saw right in front of the jeep, 253 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.919 ten or so feet in front of the jeep, you would see one 254 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:37.240 of them scream, and then one behind you in the dark would answer, 255 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.279 yes, it was very fun. So it'd be safe to say there were 256 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.000 at least four there exactly, okay, three that I could see in the 257 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.080 rest. I have no idea. Okay, now, what color were the 258 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.240 sasquatches? Dark very dark brown to black dark brown? And all three the 259 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.559 same more or less the same color? Yes, could you see skin on 260 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.279 their faces or any No, No, I couldn't see it. I could 261 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:06.920 see eye glare, oh okay, because the jeep was kind of tilted slightly 262 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.000 downward from where they were standing. Oh, I didn't get a full on 263 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.200 shot of their face with the headlights. Oh more from here and down Oh 264 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.559 I see. So the headlights illuminated made their chest downwards because it was facing 265 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.079 down slope and they were on maybe at upslope, maybe in front of it. 266 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.559 Is that right? The jeep was like this and they were kind of 267 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.680 on this little slanted spot. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. 268 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:36.680 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be 269 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:47.240 right back after these messages. What color was the eye glow, the reflection 270 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.839 or wherever it was. It was like the reflection of the headlights with maybe 271 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:55.720 a little bit of red in the eyes. But that wasn't something I was 272 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:00.519 real focused on. Imagine that I really thought we were going to die, 273 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.200 because you're witnessing something that number one, neither one of us believed in Number 274 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:10.319 two, it's horrifying and terrifying. And number three, I thought they were 275 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.720 going to kill us and we didn't know why, why they even appeared in 276 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.319 our camp, And then it dawned on us later after the episode that we 277 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.680 were sitting on top of that spring, and this is the middle of summer, 278 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:30.359 so that's probably their only drinking source up on that ridge. So of 279 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.680 the three Sasquatches that you were you had eyes on, not counting the one 280 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.759 behind you. Do you think all three of them vocalized at some point or 281 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.240 it was mostly one doing it? Or could you even tell? I couldn't 282 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:48.240 really tell. It sounded different from each one they were. I don't know 283 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.079 how I was to say it communicating, And I believe it was to see 284 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:57.480 whether we lived or died. How thirsty they were? So were they moving 285 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:02.319 at all? Or were they stone still? What were they doing? Actually 286 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:07.039 while they were standing there screaming, they were stone still until and I can't 287 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.440 give an estimate as to time. I'm gu estimating five minutes, six minutes 288 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:18.720 maybe, And then they slowly started walking. They turned slightly to head up 289 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.599 toward the ridge, and they never took their eyes or their head off of 290 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.920 us as they went up the hill, and they continued to screaming until they 291 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:32.000 were well down the other side of the mountain until we were out of ear 292 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.000 shot, and we stood up on that tree for about an hour and a 293 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.480 half until daylight because we were afraid to move. Sure, so you had 294 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.720 your backs against the tree, shoulder to shoulder looking at these things that know 295 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.359 everybody else in your entire life as sold you weren't real. No, I 296 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.799 just believe they were yeah yeah, and you're you're just like, well now 297 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.680 what yeah? So and you thought you were going to die at the time 298 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:00.440 I did, Yeah, what were you trying to communicate with your part who 299 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.319 was there? We didn't know what we were seeing until he flipped on the 300 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.920 headlights or what we were listening to. His first thought was maybe a bunch 301 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:12.720 of bikers had come up there with a boombox, and I said, it 302 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.880 doesn't sound like that, and then he said, well, I'm going to 303 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.000 fire my gun and see if it scares whatever it is away, and that's 304 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.079 at that point I said, don't or we'll die. Don't do that. 305 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.240 And after he saw them, I don't think he's ever spoken to this day 306 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:32.440 about the sightings. Although we did go down to the ranger station in Pendleton 307 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.400 and walked in there because we had footprints right where they were standing, and 308 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.559 we walked up to the ranger he was sitting at his desk and we just 309 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.920 thought we'd made the discovery of a lifetime. And I said, do you 310 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:51.039 have any plaster or paris because we can get footprints? And he looks up 311 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.559 from the desk like he's just irritated, and he said, lady, I 312 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.960 know they're up there. What do you want me to do about that? 313 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.480 And we were like, what he knew it? He said, just ask 314 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:07.480 a logger. They won't tell you because that would be their livelihood going away. 315 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.759 So that was it for my big foot experience. Well, what was 316 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.480 the conversation like in the car? Once daylight broke and you had the brake 317 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:22.160 camp? He was focused on getting to the ranger station because we could prove 318 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.720 what we had seen. And after that, I think it kind of deflated 319 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:32.519 everything for him. And I don't know how he processed it because the rest 320 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:36.319 of the way home back to Portland, he didn't speak about it. He 321 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.480 never said a word. I just try to bring it up, and I 322 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:45.000 think it rattled him so badly that he just couldn't process. So his Indian 323 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.839 tradition grandmother was right. Yeah, So now Now, this is just some 324 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.119 man that you dated way back in the day. Did you keep it How 325 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.079 long did you keep in touch with them at all? Or just kind of 326 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.640 faded away as people often do. He just faded away, I see. 327 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.039 So he dated for maybe a year a year or so, and then okay, 328 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.200 and then didn't really come up in conversation after that so much. He 329 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.440 said specifically he didn't want to talk about it. Oh okay. Whereas you 330 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.200 know, I wasn't too keen on talking about it either at the time. 331 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:21.440 But it's just one of those things you can never undo once you've seen it. 332 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:27.119 It's there permanently. So I just delved heavily into bigfoot research and reading 333 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.279 and movies and videos and anything I could get a hold of. They just 334 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.319 joined the subject in general to try and understand what it was we had seen 335 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:40.200 and what they were. Well, there's been a few decades of processing now, 336 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:45.400 since it's the early nineteen eighties. What conclusions, if any, have 337 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.880 you come to? Like, how does this sit with you nowadays? A 338 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.079 friend of mine saw a bigfoot last Saturday up in the mcminville area. Now 339 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.000 you told me, I'm gonna see if I can check that out. Maybe 340 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.880 this weekend. Yeah, okay, And she asked me if I wanted to 341 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:03.160 go with her, and at this point in my life, I told her 342 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.960 no because I have no desire. I've seen it. I don't want to 343 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.839 put myself in jeopardy, which I think she possibly was doing, because they 344 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:18.480 discovered a bigfoot nest and that's at the point where the big foot made themselves 345 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.200 known. They growled and they stomped, and she actually saw one dart behind 346 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.359 a tree. No, that's something she'll have to do on her own, 347 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.920 which I will not participate in. But everybody else I know is curious and 348 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.839 they want to go up there. So and but you're done with this, 349 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:37.960 like you have no reason to try to see a bigfoot again. Or I 350 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.440 don't need to prove that bigfoot exists, because, like I said, I 351 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:48.960 can't undo what I saw. I'm curious as to what they are, what 352 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:55.720 they're being is about why they're so elusive. I have many many questions about 353 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.039 bigfoot, but as to their existence, that question has been answered. So 354 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.200 you said the vocalization noise was higher pitch than you could manage, and it 355 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:08.200 was. It was it repeatedly, the same sound over and over from when 356 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:12.160 it woke you up until no, no, it changed it. It went 357 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:18.359 from highs to not to lows. But it was high pitched, and each 358 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.839 one would do their pitch and then one would respond, whether it was one 359 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.880 beside them or one behind us. It alternated because you could tell they were 360 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:34.319 communicating. Okay, so, but each an individual animal seemed to be emitting 361 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:38.079 the same noise. When it went off again, it wasn't the same. 362 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:44.720 It was like the same high pitch but different. How was it different? 363 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:49.599 Well, I'm pushing you, but just the intonation um the sound wave that 364 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.680 it's so hard to describe. I can't tell you. Okay, I get 365 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.759 it, I get it. And was it a single pitch like or did 366 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.599 it go oh and drop off or go low? But it vibrate it up 367 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.079 and down. We'll vibrate it up and down. Oh okay. Interesting, 368 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.759 but always in the higher pitch, always high. You can tell it was 369 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:17.160 very, very angry, and that was the impression that we both got. 370 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.319 They were not happy with us. Interesting. Interesting, And even when they 371 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.440 were walking away and you couldn't see them anymore and their sound disappeared into the 372 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.279 night, it was the same sort of warbly, high pitched thing. Yes, 373 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.880 okay, it never stopped, so they were well out of earshot on 374 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.240 the under side. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 375 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:48.880 We'll be right back after these messages. I'm sure the experience was probably 376 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:55.759 very overwhelming in a lot of ways. And also the headlights weren't on the 377 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.079 faces of the animals in front of the cars, but maybe from the chests 378 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:04.359 or whatever down What details can you remember about the body or the shape, 379 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.640 or the color the hair or any of those things. Well, they didn't 380 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.200 have a neck. They had very long arms that came below their knees because 381 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.920 they were just standing there with their arms at their side, very very broad 382 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:25.079 chest. They were huge. Okay. How wide do you think they were? 383 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:30.920 Like a three foot thing or a four foot width or very similar to 384 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.599 the big Foot you have downstairs? Oh, Murphy or model? Yes, 385 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:40.440 okay, yeah, his is about maybe almost four feet wide. It's about 386 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:47.519 that along those parameters. Okay, So he was anything else similar to Murphy 387 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.960 or different that you can think of. No, you see any muscle definition, 388 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.440 No, just all covered in their bulk and hair, dark hair, 389 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.559 dark hair. How long do you think the hair was probably three inches maybe, 390 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.960 okay, and all one color. There weren't patches or like lighter tips 391 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.599 on the air or anything. Just I didn't see anything. Just dark brown, 392 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:17.279 blackish sort of right. Okay. The footprints that you saw, how 393 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:22.759 long were they? They were big because jack RSIs fourteen shoe and he put 394 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:27.799 his foot beside the print and there were at least three to four inches longer 395 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.200 because he had really large feet. So but we never got to cast them, 396 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:41.240 so I wish we had. Were they disproportionally wide or much wider than 397 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.599 his foot? Yes, okay, okay, were there any marks inside them 398 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.920 or whatever? It was a beautiful just clean stomp or what it was in 399 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.920 dirt like there was a gravel area. But the print we found, it 400 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.920 was the best, was right in the dirt beside the gravel, and it 401 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:03.000 was kind of a little It was tilted slightly headed toward up to hill. 402 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:10.359 Interesting when they walked, did they walk just like a person or it was 403 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:15.920 a different in some sort of way, or they moved with their head toward 404 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.440 us, so they okay, their head was turned face headed up to hill, 405 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:25.440 but their their head was on us and they walked quickly up to hill. 406 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.960 I mean they took big steps. Um. A lot of people described 407 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.119 sasquatches as moving very fluidly, like very almost like they're floating in a way, 408 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.119 because they're graceful, and it's it's a consequence of what we call the 409 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:42.240 compliance gait. Did you see this or was it just walk like a person 410 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.759 kind of bouncing its head or what or do you even remember well because it 411 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.799 was going up hill, it was I would say it's more fluid, but 412 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:55.799 great big steps. And they didn't stomp or anything like that. They just 413 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.079 in fact, it was other than the screaming, you wouldn't have known they 414 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.240 were there. We didn't hear them while they're moving, or we couldn't hear 415 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.680 them crunch over the screaming. I guess not. Yeah, you can hear 416 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:11.920 yourself talk over the screaming. Of course, of course, anything else that 417 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.839 you can remember. Do you think it would be important to share? Not 418 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.960 really. I don't recommend spending the night in the middle of the summertime in 419 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.480 that particular area. I still want to you have no idea how bad I 420 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.680 want to know where that spot is. I'm sure you could look up a 421 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:36.680 warehouser logging map. Yeah, from the probably sixties seventies era and find out 422 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.079 that where that trailers because they probably would mark that spring. Yeah, certainly 423 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.240 the spring would be on there. But how many springs ere there in the 424 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.319 Ochicos? You know there must be quite a few. Yeah, I don't 425 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.680 know. I very much would like to go there and spend a week or 426 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:56.319 so. Okay, well, well I wish you'd luck well not not as 427 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.680 smart as I look. Yeah, don't let these glasses fool you. Well, 428 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.240 maybe you could take my husband, because he wants to go up there 429 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.680 too. I bet he does. What do you think, Matt? That's 430 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.000 amazing. I know that had to be terrifying and harrowing, but as someone 431 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.720 who's been trying to see one for a very long time, I am very 432 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.000 envious. So I'm situations like yours. I think, you know, you're 433 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.039 not just a witness, You're you're kind of a survivor because that had to 434 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.240 be fairly traumatic to some degree. So thank you for being willing to share 435 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:26.960 that. Yeah, Matt, I think it's solely fine that we use your 436 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.000 you know, you use your track for this recording too, since Bobo's on 437 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:33.559 here. Do you want do you want to do any follow up questions or 438 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.519 whatever what we have here. Yeah, I'm always interested. You know, 439 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.920 after an encounter like that, there must be so many frustrations when you see 440 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.640 representations of sasquatching the media subsequently. So I wonder how someone who's had that 441 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:52.680 direct experience and observation perceives, let's say, sasquatch as it's treated by the 442 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.839 popular media over the years, you know, always being dismissive and dismissive of 443 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:02.000 witnesses and of the potential reality of these things. And how has that shaped 444 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.519 the way that you've seen the subject represented since then? I've seen it represented 445 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.200 in many, many different ways. The one thing I object to is when 446 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.039 they try to make it seem like a soft and fuzzy, cuddly big teddy 447 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.480 bear, which it certainly is not. It's to be taken seriously. I 448 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.599 would agree with that. Again, those experiences like yours are so rare. 449 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.440 Like Cliff mentioned in the beginning, you know, most witnesses have this sort 450 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:33.440 of serendipitous, very brief encounter, and they're usually fairly benign because most of 451 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.599 them are motorists or they're seeing it at a distance, even if they're on 452 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:41.759 foot. And so those sort of close encounters that have real peril at hand 453 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.160 like yours are rare but are so impactful. So I don't want to sound 454 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.799 disrespectful when I say I'm envious, because I'm sure if it had happened to 455 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.200 me, I would not have wished for it, you know, in those 456 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:57.160 early days. But you know, it is the willingness of witnesses like yourself 457 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.920 to come forward and describe those speriences that I think helped shift it out of 458 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.400 that goofy camp fire monster you know, schlockhumentary comedic character into like, No, 459 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.720 these are real animals, and they are large, and they pose physical 460 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.880 threats. Whether or not they behaved dangerously or not, they should be taken 461 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.519 seriously. Oh I'm just in love with the fact that they decided not to 462 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.599 kill us. Amen. Yeah, it makes makes you wonder, like what 463 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.119 would it take, you know, because you I mean, I think it's 464 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.400 a reasonable conclusion that you were camped at a place they wanted water and they 465 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.240 didn't like you there. Correct, they probably could have snuck in and got 466 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.519 water without you knowing. I guess. No, we were like a foot 467 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.759 away from it. Oh, really, we're kind of camped right on top 468 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.279 of it then pretty much it was a very small plateau. I was a 469 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:52.240 sheer cliff like on that diorama, so it was very close. Yeah, 470 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.240 she actually made a diorama of the scene, complete with the sasquatches in the 471 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.200 brush and in front of the jeep. It is absolutely cool. It's adorable, 472 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.720 frankly, but it's really good. Actually, maybe we can post it 473 00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.319 for something. You know. One of the other things that I always find 474 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.359 so interesting, having interviewed witnesses for as long as I have, and witnesses 475 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.039 who've had those sort of upclose, frightening encounters, is that there's a few 476 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:21.079 things that have made their way into the mythos that, especially within the skeptical 477 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.960 or cynical realm, one being that, you know, the sasquatches like a 478 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.279 wish fulfillment, you know, it's the sort of like delusion hallucination that comes 479 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:35.799 from human kind's desire to be connected to the wild, and in stories like 480 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.599 yours, it's like, well, first of all, there was no desire 481 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.279 to see such a thing, so it's not like there was a prerequisite that 482 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.480 served as like a trigger for this particular event or experience. And it certainly 483 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.160 doesn't sound like it was a wish fulfillment. I mean, I think most 484 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.599 witnesses in those cases wish that it hadn't happened because of the not only the 485 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.559 intense fear or terror at the moment, but the anxiety that comes in the 486 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.400 aftermath of not wanting that to happen again, not being able to share it 487 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.199 with peers or friends or loved ones because of fear of ridicule or disbelief. 488 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.199 And it was curious about how if you felt those things in your own life 489 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.480 where it was really difficult to talk about, or if you ever desired to 490 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.920 talk about it with other people. This happened shortly before I entered law enforcement, 491 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:27.280 and having that job was not conducive to anything other than a psychiatric review 492 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.000 if you mentioned seeing Bigfoot. So it's not something I would talk about my 493 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:36.519 own daughters. I have twin daughters that do not believe that I saw Bigfoot 494 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:45.800 to this day, and they're slowly turning around because they've heard Bigfoot and their 495 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.519 encampment over New Mattila when they go deer hunting, so they're kind of on 496 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:55.760 the skeptical mode at this stage of the game. But yeah, it's I 497 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.159 had no justice. I had no clue Bigfoot really existed. I didn't believe 498 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:06.280 in it. And the only thing we had guns out therefore was in case 499 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.719 we ran across a cougar or like a bear, and that was just for 500 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.920 protection. So I don't think it would have been anything more than a beasting 501 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.079 had he fired at them, and it would probably just enrage them, and 502 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.800 I think there would have been severe consequences. Yeah, it certainly could have 503 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.039 escalated, and that is you know, the anxiety in the aftermath of such 504 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.800 an experience very often is tied to that, the inability to discuss the event 505 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.920 because of the repercussions. And I always say to those skeptics too, about 506 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:38.679 the wish fulfillment, Like, you know, I would have seen about a 507 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.599 hundred of them by now, because I don't think many people want to see 508 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.079 one as badly as I do, and yet i'd never have. I think 509 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.119 Cliff's probably in the same boat there too. Yeah, I would love to 510 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.440 find out where this is, just to see if they keep going back there, 511 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.239 And it sounds like a place that if you actually could stay there for 512 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.519 a month or two, they would probably come back more than once. I 513 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.760 guess. I'm guessing, but I don't know. I don't know. I'd 514 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:01.960 love to know where that was, if that had a name or something. 515 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.519 Well, I know you and Jack didn't really want to talk about it so 516 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:12.039 much, but you certainly told some people after that. And was it a 517 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.239 mixed reaction some believed you, some didn't, or was it were you just 518 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.519 written off? The only person I told were my twin daughters you had, 519 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.800 And when were they born? Nineteen seventy five? Nineteen seventy five, so 520 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.000 they were very young at the time. And but you told him anyway, 521 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.239 like it's six years old or seven years later. Okay, it's gonna say 522 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:34.559 it's that's good motherhood. No, it was just something I kept to myself 523 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.360 because, first of all, you don't believe what you saw, and you 524 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.920 can't shut it down because your brain won't allow you to do that. Once 525 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.880 you've seen something, it's there, even though I'd love to forget it, 526 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.239 but that's not going to happen. Did it cause you any stress or negative 527 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.760 feelings over the time, like I can't believe this, Am I crazy? 528 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.719 Or no one else believes? And I don't even want to share it with 529 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.480 or I love camping and I'll never go again, that is sad. Every 530 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.599 time I go near the woods, I need to be out of there before 531 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.119 dark. Really, it's just the way it is, so you you don't 532 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.360 even camp to this day because of that experience. We've taken our travel trailer 533 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:22.159 down to Estacada where they're supposed to be some sightings. But unless I'm in 534 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.920 the trailer, that's my safety zone. I have camped that way, but 535 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.400 never again in a pup tent out in the open. Your poor thing. 536 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.280 I feel bad for people whose sasquatches have changed their their the way they interact 537 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.599 with the woods. You know. I know some hunters who have never hunted 538 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.280 since they saw them, and this seems like something similar to that. And 539 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:51.079 so it's unfortunate in a way because it took something that you love. It 540 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.239 did. Yeah, but again, it's an experience that not everybody gets to 541 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.440 have, So I guess it's a fair trade. I feel lucky in one 542 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.079 way and cursed in any other. So what are you gonna do? I 543 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.119 don't know this, I guess all right. Barbara, Well, thank you 544 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.320 very much for coming back and sharing your story with our listeners again and taking 545 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.039 time out of your day. I apologize about the late start, but Bobo 546 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.559 is who he is. So when this episode comes out, I'll send you 547 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.199 a link to it so you can hear what Bobo has to say about himself 548 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.239 and how he got into the house, because I'm sure that's going to be 549 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.840 a heck of a story. Great. Thank you, But thank you so 550 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.199 much for your time and your willingness to share. We really really appreciate it. 551 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.440 And hopefully more witnesses like you can step forward and we can push the 552 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.920 ball a little bit further down the field and learn a little bit more about 553 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.440 these things. Great, thank you. All right, listeners, there you 554 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:44.599 go, another episode of Big Putting Beyond with our fabulous witness Barbara, who 555 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.360 came face to face, I guess, with three of these things screaming at 556 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.119 her, and there's one behind in the dark, and in a way I'm 557 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.000 envious, and in a way I'm super glad it didn't happen to me. 558 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.559 But I'll tell you it's a little bit of both. 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