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Hey, Bob's how you doing? Man? What's up? Cliff?
I just got done with an amazing interview with a fantastic witness. You missed
it, man, Barbara was awesome and um for all your listeners, you're
gonna be able to hear what Barbara has to stay in just a few minutes
after this. But Bobo had some issues today. Yeah, I try got
done with physical therapy because yesterday my phone, my recording set up wasn't working
so good. I needed to get new headphones and I went to Target and
got them and got back on his you know, they got back and sewed
like ten minutes before we're going to start records, Like, oh great,
I made it in time. Yeah, and kudos to you Bobs, because
you called me an hour beforehand. I says, Cliff, I'm gonna go
to the Target and get into headphones, which I applaud you for because we've
had problems with your headphones for a few weeks now, and you got back
right right when you told me you were going to It was like three oh
five when when I was on the call or whatever, I got back fifteen
minutes before that, I was trying to break in. I was trying to
break into what my house. I had a key made, like I was
like probably a year and a half ago, and it was for the house.
And you know, they give you that little jankie little key ring,
like that little cheap thin one. Yeah, the one. You're supposed to
throw that away, aren't you. Yeah. But I just clipped it on
my key ring and I've had it for like a year and a half and
it actually came off about six or seven weeks ago, and I put it.
I was like, I gotta remember to go to the you know,
the locksmith or the hardware store and get a copy made and get and get
a real real key ring, you know, and freaking thing. I didn't
hear it fall off. It was you know, it's the parking US right
along the one oh one freeway and there's cars and people, and so I
just didn't hear it fall I guess, And I get home, and then
I was like, oh man, and then so I went, we have
a high the key. I when got the high the key, didn't it
was the wrong key. So you lost your house key. And then your
high to key wasn't the right key. Yeah it was. It was.
It was a it was a quick set lock, and it was a quick
set. It looked just like it. It looked just like it, but
it didn't. It didn't work, and I knew it was. I was
like, I don't know this is the right one because it wasn't all like
the weather one we had it. There's another for like a couple of years,
so it's like fully like got salt damage to it, you know,
it's you know, those things been sitting on the beach for a couple of
years. So I was like, this thing's pretty smooth. I don't know.
I noticed that when I was I thought, oh it was great,
put out a new key, and then doesn't work at all. I was
just like, oh my god. So then I was able to jimmy up
like I climbed up on my neighbor's trash can. Because the bathroom windows probably
about nine feet the bottoms about nine feet off the ground and I was like
trying to stack trash cans and make it not wobbly to climb up to get
in the window. And I got the window open, like I had to
like pound it without breaking it to get the stick that we put in there
to keep it like locked, because there's no lock on it. Did it
rested away? Of course, I got that stick to fall that. I
got the window all the way open then, but I was only at about
my neck to the window and I was trying to hop up. I couldn't
pull myself up and get in the windo because it was such a tight squeeze
because it's a small window. Then I got stuck there for like two minutes.
I was I was like killing my chest. I couldn't breathe. I
was like, oh my god. So I got down. I got down
without falling. Actually that was good. I was like, Okay, I
gotta find someone to climbing this window, someone you know, someone smaller.
Looked there's no one around, like these are like the workers are around here,
like working onto their houses and stuff, and they were all gone.
I was like, oh man, I was just looking around for somebody.
Then I walked down. I was like, oh, it's it's like three,
three fifteen or whatever. I'm like, you know, those kids are
coming up from school usually around now, I'll get one of them. So
I walked down to the couple blocks down to the main street that there's a
bunch of kids that walked down that road now because the school bus drops off
and they've they've been caught on. We had a we had a rash of
breaking the last year, not not the last couple of months, but the
people had them on their on their doorbell cameras and stuff like these junior high
kids and high school team kids breaking into people's houses all the time. Oh
yeah, you might as well put you might as well put their skills to
good uston. That's what I was thinking. I'm like these kids, I
got experienced with this stuff. Then I started thinking like, I don't want
to get too old of a kid, because then I don't know how to
get into this place, and I don't want to become a target. So
I was like, I don't want to get too like, you know,
like a like I want to get a kid that looks like like a boy
scout, not like you know, some skate punk and that look like one
of my friends growing up, some hooligan or something. So I was like,
I see these two kids, like two boys walking up and I was
like, oh, perfect, they look like fifth sixth grade or something.
Well, hey, what's up you guys? Like kind of stranger danger,
you know, there's like kind of like said like hot and not the high
like hello or whatever, and hey, you guys want ext some money?
I go give you like five bucks if you go climbing my bathroom window.
I'm locked out and just go in and unlocked the door for me. The
kid like kind of looks at all. They look at each other and looks
at me, and I'm like, look, I'll give me ten bucks.
Like they start walking away faster than their eyes are all big and they're like
scared, but they just started running. I was like, oh. I
was like, oh my god, they're gonna run home until their parents some
guy trying to kidnap them, you know, like hey want some candy,
you know, they want some money, come with me and climbing this bathroom
window. And they just took off front and then I took off front of
the other way, and I was sitting out front just waiting for the cops
to pull up. I'm like, oh, I gotta explain this one.
Yeah, try to sneak them into your house somehow, right, right?
Not a good look, bobo, It's not a good looks. It's one
of those things like you know, you get caught that situation, like but
really I was just you know, like you just look guilty no matter what,
no matter what, and and anybody doesn't know your background would say,
well, that doesn't happen to people. You know. There's no way that
you lost a key on a key chain and then your fake the other one
doesn't work. And this is this is nonsense. It's like watching an episode
of signfel of Cramer or something exactly. Well that you live like that,
man, how do you? How do you deal with your life? Man?
Like I hate it. It's just must be so frustrating. It is
because I was back on time, like I was gonna be all set ready
to go have about new equipment, and then also I don't have my key
and then the key in the highest spot is the wrong key. Weird.
Yeah, well you missed a great witness. Unfortunately her name is Barbara um
and uh, I guess you'll be listening to the podcast. It's like all
of our listeners will be listening after this. So I guess with this,
bopes, Um, why don't we just cut to my interview with Barbara and
you can enjoy the episode along with everyone else. Yeah, I want to
hear this, and you've been raving about her, man, I'm so bound
I missed or I'm just uh Sue. She's super cool, She's one hundred
percent legit, man, and she had a crazy encounter. So listeners,
Bobo, feast your ears on this. We'll do. Hello, everybody,
Welcome to another episode of Big Fan Beyond with Cliff and every once in a
while Bobo. Bobo is not here, although he is currently as I say
this, desperately trying to break into his own house. That's true. I'd
rather Bobo get to tell you this story. And I mean, I've been
to Bobo's house. I know what it looks like, I know the quality
of the house. It really should not be that hard to break into the
house. A good push on the front wall would collapse half of it.
So I really think that we will be hearing from Bobo at some time in
the next hour, but I cannot guarantee that. I wish I could and
I'll tell you it is quite the story this time. As you know,
Bobo has a cloud of chaos following him around wherever he goes, just like
pig Pen from the Snoopy cartoon has a cloud of filth following him around.
But chaos has struck again. Murphy's Law has struck again. Bobo is Jess
Bobo, and there's nothing any of us can do about it, not even
Bobo. But at the same time, that's the reason we all love Bobo,
isn't it. Bobo is himself, unabashedly and unapologetically, and he's a
victim of himself, unfortunately, and today's another example of that. But hopefully
Bobo can break into his own house and turn on the computer and join us
in the next few minutes or hour or something. We'll see, because Bobo's
gonna be superbummed. He's gonna miss this one. We have a fantastic guest
today. We've brought in this witness, this woman. His name's Barbara.
She came into the NBC last week or something like that, and I took
a sighting report from her, and it was just one of those sighting reports
that I just knew I had to share with the larger public. It is
so great, so dramatic, and so unusual. I just knew I had
to share it with you, guys. And because you know how I about
sightings. Sightings are the thing ran ran across the road or standing on the
side of the road, and it's a point on a map. It is
a place in the time on a map that points us to maybe where we
can look for sasquatches in the future. But this one, this one's a
little special in some ways, and you'll you'll see what I mean. So
Barbara, Oh, by the way, if there's also I want to let
you guys know that Matt Prude is a fantastic producer and he's going to make
this sound as good as possible. But Barbara is actually sitting in the same
room as me right now. So if you feel that this this podcast is
not the same audio quality or something like that, that's why I know Matt's
going to do a great job cleaning it up and making it sound great.
But Barbara and I are sitting around a microphone together upstairs at the North American
big Foot Center right now, So if you probably hear some of the room
noise, room ambiance and that sort of thing. So I want to explain
that as well. But Barbara, thank you very much for coming on Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff, and every once in a while, Bobo, thank
you. Cliff. It's nice to be here. Yeah, thank you,
thank you so much. Well, start by talking about your background a little
bit, because you are a very competent observer because of some of the things
you've done in your life, like law enforcement, for example. So can
you tell us a little bit about your background. Sure, I have degrees
in bully inspection, plans examining and worked in Marion County doing that until the
housing crunch in the eighties, and then I went into a law enforcement because
there's no shortage of criminals, no, and I don't think there ever will
be. I stayed there with Mounteney mccunty for sixteen years as a deputy,
and after that I retired. Were you a beat copp or just a dusk
thing or what were you doing for that? Because I was My father was
a sheriff, so there's all sorts of roles. What did you do?
I did everything from courthouse to transports. When I injured my knees, I
ended up with three total knees. Then I went in inside correctional facilities because
I could work for controls and things like that. Great. Okay, Now
the sighting that was before you became a law enforcement officer? Is that right?
Correct? Okay? Okay, very good. Now had you ever thought
about sasquatches before the sighting at all? Or I'd heard about Bigfoot? But
I used to laugh because I thought these people were bonkers. I didn't believe
in Bigfoot at all. Okay. And just to set the scene here,
you're sighting. It happened when nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, the
first or second weekend in July. Okay, very good. Well let's just
start from there. What were you doing, who were you with, and
how did you get to the spot, all that sort of stuff. So
you're just tell us the whole story, and I'll prompt you if I need
to about questions with Okay. I was dating a man who was a Native
American Indian. He was six foot seven, very bold build. Because of
his Indian heritage, was able to gain entrance to like the u Matila Reservation
where we ended up going that weekend and we chased some wild horses, swam
in the river and just kind of spent the whole day there. And he
said he knew his favorite campsite, which was up in above Pranville, about
twenty miles up on an old logging trail, and he used to go bow
and arrow hunting from the time he was twelve up in that area. So
we had it. We had his jeep. The ride up the logging trail
was pretty hazardous because it had washed down in several spots, but we made
it to the top and there was a small plateau and the plateau ended.
It was the end of the trail from the logging trail, but under one
of the trees was a small, miniature, beautiful little spring, kind of
like a mini crater lake, so actual like a pitfull of water kind of
or a spring seeping out of the ground. No, it was a pit
full of water right at the base the roots of a tree, and you
could see quite a ways down into the water as crystal clear. This is
at the top of a mountain, so there's more the water sources nearby.
Okay, Yeah, we were about thirty to fifty feet from the ridge going
over the mountain. So anyway, we made a campfire, had dinner,
and we were pretty tired from the day's activities, so we went to bed
in a pup tent, and about three thirty in the morning, this got
awful, screeching, screaming. It's hard to describe. It made your body
vibrate, it hurts your ears, and it was just one after another,
and we had no idea what was going on. So he said to get
out of the tent, and it was pitch black out. We couldn't see
our hand in front of our face. The fire had gone out, so
we stood with our backs up against a tree and we couldn't figure out what
it was. We couldn't hear each other as we were standing side by side
because it was so loud, so you couldn't hear yourself over the screaming that
woke you up. No, because we both had guns. He had a
forty five and I had my thirty eight. And he said, after a
few minutes of this, he said, I'm going to fire up in the
air and see if it scares whatever it is off. And I said,
if you do, we're dead. And I truly believe that. So I
stepped forward into the jeep and he pulled a switch. I don't know what
it turned on the headlights. Okay, how far away was the jeep from
the tree? Two or three feet? Oh? So it was right there.
You didn't have to make a break forward for twenty feet or something.
No, it was right there. And turned on the lights and we saw
out three big foot. He was not a believer in bigfoot. He'd heard
legends from his tribe that his grandmother used to tell him, don't go out
hunting after dark because there's a name that the Cherokee Nation has for bigfoot.
Pronounce it right now. But he used to laugh at that, thinking she
was just overprotective. Were the sasquashes that you saw when the lights came on?
Probably ten feet in front of the jeep, So right there, right
in the spotlights? Right there? Wow? Well, what did they look
like? Describe those to us? Or were they all? Were they all
the same or were they different? Or what would they look like? They
appeared to be about the same height, They weren't touching, they were side
by side, and I noticed they didn't have a neck. They had a
kind of cave head shape or the conical shaped conical Yeah, and all I
could basically see was their eyes. They were very dark color. We could
tell they were angry, they were just I wish I could better describe the
noise. It was unbelievable. It was horrifying. But was it a high
pitched shriek or the load thing or very high pitched, very high. I
couldn't even reach that pitch if I tried. It was extremely high pitched.
Where were the screams long and drawn out? Or were they short bursts?
Or they were shorter in time wise? But they were communicating. One would
scream and then we would hear something behind us, or one I can't tell,
I didn't see it, and then the other would. They were communicating
with it. So the three that you saw right in front of the jeep,
ten or so feet in front of the jeep, you would see one
of them scream, and then one behind you in the dark would answer,
yes, it was very fun. So it'd be safe to say there were
at least four there exactly, okay, three that I could see in the
rest. I have no idea. Okay, now, what color were the
sasquatches? Dark very dark brown to black dark brown? And all three the
same more or less the same color? Yes, could you see skin on
their faces or any No, No, I couldn't see it. I could
see eye glare, oh okay, because the jeep was kind of tilted slightly
downward from where they were standing. Oh, I didn't get a full on
shot of their face with the headlights. Oh more from here and down Oh
I see. So the headlights illuminated made their chest downwards because it was facing
down slope and they were on maybe at upslope, maybe in front of it.
Is that right? The jeep was like this and they were kind of
on this little slanted spot. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be
right back after these messages. What color was the eye glow, the reflection
or wherever it was. It was like the reflection of the headlights with maybe
a little bit of red in the eyes. But that wasn't something I was
real focused on. Imagine that I really thought we were going to die,
because you're witnessing something that number one, neither one of us believed in Number
two, it's horrifying and terrifying. And number three, I thought they were
going to kill us and we didn't know why, why they even appeared in
our camp, And then it dawned on us later after the episode that we
were sitting on top of that spring, and this is the middle of summer,
so that's probably their only drinking source up on that ridge. So of
the three Sasquatches that you were you had eyes on, not counting the one
behind you. Do you think all three of them vocalized at some point or
it was mostly one doing it? Or could you even tell? I couldn't
really tell. It sounded different from each one they were. I don't know
how I was to say it communicating, And I believe it was to see
whether we lived or died. How thirsty they were? So were they moving
at all? Or were they stone still? What were they doing? Actually
while they were standing there screaming, they were stone still until and I can't
give an estimate as to time. I'm gu estimating five minutes, six minutes
maybe, And then they slowly started walking. They turned slightly to head up
toward the ridge, and they never took their eyes or their head off of
us as they went up the hill, and they continued to screaming until they
were well down the other side of the mountain until we were out of ear
shot, and we stood up on that tree for about an hour and a
half until daylight because we were afraid to move. Sure, so you had
your backs against the tree, shoulder to shoulder looking at these things that know
everybody else in your entire life as sold you weren't real. No, I
just believe they were yeah yeah, and you're you're just like, well now
what yeah? So and you thought you were going to die at the time
I did, Yeah, what were you trying to communicate with your part who
was there? We didn't know what we were seeing until he flipped on the
headlights or what we were listening to. His first thought was maybe a bunch
of bikers had come up there with a boombox, and I said, it
doesn't sound like that, and then he said, well, I'm going to
fire my gun and see if it scares whatever it is away, and that's
at that point I said, don't or we'll die. Don't do that.
And after he saw them, I don't think he's ever spoken to this day
about the sightings. Although we did go down to the ranger station in Pendleton
and walked in there because we had footprints right where they were standing, and
we walked up to the ranger he was sitting at his desk and we just
thought we'd made the discovery of a lifetime. And I said, do you
have any plaster or paris because we can get footprints? And he looks up
from the desk like he's just irritated, and he said, lady, I
know they're up there. What do you want me to do about that?
And we were like, what he knew it? He said, just ask
a logger. They won't tell you because that would be their livelihood going away.
So that was it for my big foot experience. Well, what was
the conversation like in the car? Once daylight broke and you had the brake
camp? He was focused on getting to the ranger station because we could prove
what we had seen. And after that, I think it kind of deflated
everything for him. And I don't know how he processed it because the rest
of the way home back to Portland, he didn't speak about it. He
never said a word. I just try to bring it up, and I
think it rattled him so badly that he just couldn't process. So his Indian
tradition grandmother was right. Yeah, So now Now, this is just some
man that you dated way back in the day. Did you keep it How
long did you keep in touch with them at all? Or just kind of
faded away as people often do. He just faded away, I see.
So he dated for maybe a year a year or so, and then okay,
and then didn't really come up in conversation after that so much. He
said specifically he didn't want to talk about it. Oh okay. Whereas you
know, I wasn't too keen on talking about it either at the time.
But it's just one of those things you can never undo once you've seen it.
It's there permanently. So I just delved heavily into bigfoot research and reading
and movies and videos and anything I could get a hold of. They just
joined the subject in general to try and understand what it was we had seen
and what they were. Well, there's been a few decades of processing now,
since it's the early nineteen eighties. What conclusions, if any, have
you come to? Like, how does this sit with you nowadays? A
friend of mine saw a bigfoot last Saturday up in the mcminville area. Now
you told me, I'm gonna see if I can check that out. Maybe
this weekend. Yeah, okay, And she asked me if I wanted to
go with her, and at this point in my life, I told her
no because I have no desire. I've seen it. I don't want to
put myself in jeopardy, which I think she possibly was doing, because they
discovered a bigfoot nest and that's at the point where the big foot made themselves
known. They growled and they stomped, and she actually saw one dart behind
a tree. No, that's something she'll have to do on her own,
which I will not participate in. But everybody else I know is curious and
they want to go up there. So and but you're done with this,
like you have no reason to try to see a bigfoot again. Or I
don't need to prove that bigfoot exists, because, like I said, I
can't undo what I saw. I'm curious as to what they are, what
they're being is about why they're so elusive. I have many many questions about
bigfoot, but as to their existence, that question has been answered. So
you said the vocalization noise was higher pitch than you could manage, and it
was. It was it repeatedly, the same sound over and over from when
it woke you up until no, no, it changed it. It went
from highs to not to lows. But it was high pitched, and each
one would do their pitch and then one would respond, whether it was one
beside them or one behind us. It alternated because you could tell they were
communicating. Okay, so, but each an individual animal seemed to be emitting
the same noise. When it went off again, it wasn't the same.
It was like the same high pitch but different. How was it different?
Well, I'm pushing you, but just the intonation um the sound wave that
it's so hard to describe. I can't tell you. Okay, I get
it, I get it. And was it a single pitch like or did
it go oh and drop off or go low? But it vibrate it up
and down. We'll vibrate it up and down. Oh okay. Interesting,
but always in the higher pitch, always high. You can tell it was
very, very angry, and that was the impression that we both got.
They were not happy with us. Interesting. Interesting, And even when they
were walking away and you couldn't see them anymore and their sound disappeared into the
night, it was the same sort of warbly, high pitched thing. Yes,
okay, it never stopped, so they were well out of earshot on
the under side. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. I'm sure the experience was probably
very overwhelming in a lot of ways. And also the headlights weren't on the
faces of the animals in front of the cars, but maybe from the chests
or whatever down What details can you remember about the body or the shape,
or the color the hair or any of those things. Well, they didn't
have a neck. They had very long arms that came below their knees because
they were just standing there with their arms at their side, very very broad
chest. They were huge. Okay. How wide do you think they were?
Like a three foot thing or a four foot width or very similar to
the big Foot you have downstairs? Oh, Murphy or model? Yes,
okay, yeah, his is about maybe almost four feet wide. It's about
that along those parameters. Okay, So he was anything else similar to Murphy
or different that you can think of. No, you see any muscle definition,
No, just all covered in their bulk and hair, dark hair,
dark hair. How long do you think the hair was probably three inches maybe,
okay, and all one color. There weren't patches or like lighter tips
on the air or anything. Just I didn't see anything. Just dark brown,
blackish sort of right. Okay. The footprints that you saw, how
long were they? They were big because jack RSIs fourteen shoe and he put
his foot beside the print and there were at least three to four inches longer
because he had really large feet. So but we never got to cast them,
so I wish we had. Were they disproportionally wide or much wider than
his foot? Yes, okay, okay, were there any marks inside them
or whatever? It was a beautiful just clean stomp or what it was in
dirt like there was a gravel area. But the print we found, it
was the best, was right in the dirt beside the gravel, and it
was kind of a little It was tilted slightly headed toward up to hill.
Interesting when they walked, did they walk just like a person or it was
a different in some sort of way, or they moved with their head toward
us, so they okay, their head was turned face headed up to hill,
but their their head was on us and they walked quickly up to hill.
I mean they took big steps. Um. A lot of people described
sasquatches as moving very fluidly, like very almost like they're floating in a way,
because they're graceful, and it's it's a consequence of what we call the
compliance gait. Did you see this or was it just walk like a person
kind of bouncing its head or what or do you even remember well because it
was going up hill, it was I would say it's more fluid, but
great big steps. And they didn't stomp or anything like that. They just
in fact, it was other than the screaming, you wouldn't have known they
were there. We didn't hear them while they're moving, or we couldn't hear
them crunch over the screaming. I guess not. Yeah, you can hear
yourself talk over the screaming. Of course, of course, anything else that
you can remember. Do you think it would be important to share? Not
really. I don't recommend spending the night in the middle of the summertime in
that particular area. I still want to you have no idea how bad I
want to know where that spot is. I'm sure you could look up a
warehouser logging map. Yeah, from the probably sixties seventies era and find out
that where that trailers because they probably would mark that spring. Yeah, certainly
the spring would be on there. But how many springs ere there in the
Ochicos? You know there must be quite a few. Yeah, I don't
know. I very much would like to go there and spend a week or
so. Okay, well, well I wish you'd luck well not not as
smart as I look. Yeah, don't let these glasses fool you. Well,
maybe you could take my husband, because he wants to go up there
too. I bet he does. What do you think, Matt? That's
amazing. I know that had to be terrifying and harrowing, but as someone
who's been trying to see one for a very long time, I am very
envious. So I'm situations like yours. I think, you know, you're
not just a witness, You're you're kind of a survivor because that had to
be fairly traumatic to some degree. So thank you for being willing to share
that. Yeah, Matt, I think it's solely fine that we use your
you know, you use your track for this recording too, since Bobo's on
here. Do you want do you want to do any follow up questions or
whatever what we have here. Yeah, I'm always interested. You know,
after an encounter like that, there must be so many frustrations when you see
representations of sasquatching the media subsequently. So I wonder how someone who's had that
direct experience and observation perceives, let's say, sasquatch as it's treated by the
popular media over the years, you know, always being dismissive and dismissive of
witnesses and of the potential reality of these things. And how has that shaped
the way that you've seen the subject represented since then? I've seen it represented
in many, many different ways. The one thing I object to is when
they try to make it seem like a soft and fuzzy, cuddly big teddy
bear, which it certainly is not. It's to be taken seriously. I
would agree with that. Again, those experiences like yours are so rare.
Like Cliff mentioned in the beginning, you know, most witnesses have this sort
of serendipitous, very brief encounter, and they're usually fairly benign because most of
them are motorists or they're seeing it at a distance, even if they're on
foot. And so those sort of close encounters that have real peril at hand
like yours are rare but are so impactful. So I don't want to sound
disrespectful when I say I'm envious, because I'm sure if it had happened to
me, I would not have wished for it, you know, in those
early days. But you know, it is the willingness of witnesses like yourself
to come forward and describe those speriences that I think helped shift it out of
that goofy camp fire monster you know, schlockhumentary comedic character into like, No,
these are real animals, and they are large, and they pose physical
threats. Whether or not they behaved dangerously or not, they should be taken
seriously. Oh I'm just in love with the fact that they decided not to
kill us. Amen. Yeah, it makes makes you wonder, like what
would it take, you know, because you I mean, I think it's
a reasonable conclusion that you were camped at a place they wanted water and they
didn't like you there. Correct, they probably could have snuck in and got
water without you knowing. I guess. No, we were like a foot
away from it. Oh, really, we're kind of camped right on top
of it then pretty much it was a very small plateau. I was a
sheer cliff like on that diorama, so it was very close. Yeah,
she actually made a diorama of the scene, complete with the sasquatches in the
brush and in front of the jeep. It is absolutely cool. It's adorable,
frankly, but it's really good. Actually, maybe we can post it
for something. You know. One of the other things that I always find
so interesting, having interviewed witnesses for as long as I have, and witnesses
who've had those sort of upclose, frightening encounters, is that there's a few
things that have made their way into the mythos that, especially within the skeptical
or cynical realm, one being that, you know, the sasquatches like a
wish fulfillment, you know, it's the sort of like delusion hallucination that comes
from human kind's desire to be connected to the wild, and in stories like
yours, it's like, well, first of all, there was no desire
to see such a thing, so it's not like there was a prerequisite that
served as like a trigger for this particular event or experience. And it certainly
doesn't sound like it was a wish fulfillment. I mean, I think most
witnesses in those cases wish that it hadn't happened because of the not only the
intense fear or terror at the moment, but the anxiety that comes in the
aftermath of not wanting that to happen again, not being able to share it
with peers or friends or loved ones because of fear of ridicule or disbelief.
And it was curious about how if you felt those things in your own life
where it was really difficult to talk about, or if you ever desired to
talk about it with other people. This happened shortly before I entered law enforcement,
and having that job was not conducive to anything other than a psychiatric review
if you mentioned seeing Bigfoot. So it's not something I would talk about my
own daughters. I have twin daughters that do not believe that I saw Bigfoot
to this day, and they're slowly turning around because they've heard Bigfoot and their
encampment over New Mattila when they go deer hunting, so they're kind of on
the skeptical mode at this stage of the game. But yeah, it's I
had no justice. I had no clue Bigfoot really existed. I didn't believe
in it. And the only thing we had guns out therefore was in case
we ran across a cougar or like a bear, and that was just for
protection. So I don't think it would have been anything more than a beasting
had he fired at them, and it would probably just enrage them, and
I think there would have been severe consequences. Yeah, it certainly could have
escalated, and that is you know, the anxiety in the aftermath of such
an experience very often is tied to that, the inability to discuss the event
because of the repercussions. And I always say to those skeptics too, about
the wish fulfillment, Like, you know, I would have seen about a
hundred of them by now, because I don't think many people want to see
one as badly as I do, and yet i'd never have. I think
Cliff's probably in the same boat there too. Yeah, I would love to
find out where this is, just to see if they keep going back there,
And it sounds like a place that if you actually could stay there for
a month or two, they would probably come back more than once. I
guess. I'm guessing, but I don't know. I don't know. I'd
love to know where that was, if that had a name or something.
Well, I know you and Jack didn't really want to talk about it so
much, but you certainly told some people after that. And was it a
mixed reaction some believed you, some didn't, or was it were you just
written off? The only person I told were my twin daughters you had,
And when were they born? Nineteen seventy five? Nineteen seventy five, so
they were very young at the time. And but you told him anyway,
like it's six years old or seven years later. Okay, it's gonna say
it's that's good motherhood. No, it was just something I kept to myself
because, first of all, you don't believe what you saw, and you
can't shut it down because your brain won't allow you to do that. Once
you've seen something, it's there, even though I'd love to forget it,
but that's not going to happen. Did it cause you any stress or negative
feelings over the time, like I can't believe this, Am I crazy?
Or no one else believes? And I don't even want to share it with
or I love camping and I'll never go again, that is sad. Every
time I go near the woods, I need to be out of there before
dark. Really, it's just the way it is, so you you don't
even camp to this day because of that experience. We've taken our travel trailer
down to Estacada where they're supposed to be some sightings. But unless I'm in
the trailer, that's my safety zone. I have camped that way, but
never again in a pup tent out in the open. Your poor thing.
I feel bad for people whose sasquatches have changed their their the way they interact
with the woods. You know. I know some hunters who have never hunted
since they saw them, and this seems like something similar to that. And
so it's unfortunate in a way because it took something that you love. It
did. Yeah, but again, it's an experience that not everybody gets to
have, So I guess it's a fair trade. I feel lucky in one
way and cursed in any other. So what are you gonna do? I
don't know this, I guess all right. Barbara, Well, thank you
very much for coming back and sharing your story with our listeners again and taking
time out of your day. I apologize about the late start, but Bobo
is who he is. So when this episode comes out, I'll send you
a link to it so you can hear what Bobo has to say about himself
and how he got into the house, because I'm sure that's going to be
a heck of a story. Great. Thank you, But thank you so
much for your time and your willingness to share. We really really appreciate it.
And hopefully more witnesses like you can step forward and we can push the
ball a little bit further down the field and learn a little bit more about
these things. Great, thank you. All right, listeners, there you
go, another episode of Big Putting Beyond with our fabulous witness Barbara, who
came face to face, I guess, with three of these things screaming at
her, and there's one behind in the dark, and in a way I'm
envious, and in a way I'm super glad it didn't happen to me.
But I'll tell you it's a little bit of both. It's mostly envy,
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