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Well off the weekend that has seen
a wild ending for the WBA Featherweight Championship

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where ray Ford his crowned as the
champ with seconds despair. We're going to

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talk about his TKO of Coolmatov in
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kept his IBF featherweight title on that
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Dear God, a Jake Paul fight
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first round yet again, and then
and a main event that never happened with

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Amanda Serrano and the controversy around that. We are ready to recap all of

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us as we come off the weekend
with the recaps. What a fight?

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What a fight, I say a
third time, what a finish to the

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fight with ray Ford of Canda,
New Jersey becoming a world champ. Kalmatov

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was tremendous, but Ford out fought
him and stopped him with seconds to spare

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in a fight that he was about
to apparently win on decision. All right,

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Dan, your thoughts on the main
event as Ford captures the WBA featherweight

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title in what I will call a
phenomenal ending at least anyway to that fight,

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Well, I can say, and
you know this because you and I

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talked about it going into this fight. I thought this was going to be

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a really good fight, and I
was glad to see that. Not only

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was it a really good fight,
it was even better than I would have

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expected. It was a really superb
fight. It's the kind of fight where

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you see, frankly, both guys
make a name for themselves. Even though

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Komatov lost, it's got nothing to
hang his head about. He fought a

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heck of a fight too. He
was winning going into the twelfth round on

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two scorecards, and ray Ford same
deal. Obviously, he won in dramatic

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fashion. He makes a big name
for him. So these two guys announced

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their presence. I hope boxing fans
got a chance to see it. If

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they didn't see it and missed it
for whatever reason, on ESPN Plus,

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watch the replay. It's there on
demand. Absolutely worth. It will be

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a fight of the Year candidate sort
of in the conversation, obviously we got

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a long way to go. Certainly
you don't see more dramatic ending. So

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to set the stage, these guys
are fighting for the belt that was vacated

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by Lee Wood. Komatov had been
the mandatory, but Lee would announced he

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was going to move up and wait. So ray Ford was the next guy.

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He's been dying for this type of
opportunity, a top rank which signed

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Komatov won the purse bid. Ford
is with Mattroom Boxing, so he had

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an interesting aspect in terms of the
politics where Mattriom has their fighter going on

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a top rank card because of a
purse bit. So Eddie Hearn makes the

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trip with this fighter to see the
fight and they put on an outstanding,

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outstanding fight. You had the power, punching, aggressive style of Komatov against

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the guy in ray Ford that's more
of a boxer. But they can each

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do the other thing. But Kolmada
is a better broad Ford's a better boxer,

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but they can also you know,
Klomatov can box and Ready can fight.

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So it made I said ahead of
time, this makes it for a

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really good style matchup and they and
they absolutely fucking delivered in spades on that

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type of performance. Really close fight. I mean, Komatov I thought pretty

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much dominated the early going and it
showed on the cards. He was up

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after five rounds on h I believe
all three cards actually, and Ford finally

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turned it on in his corner.
They were talking to him. He was

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telling himself, basically talking to himself
to get himself into the groove. And

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slowly but surely he's chipping away.
He's winning rounds. And but the beautiful

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thing about this is they're just banging
it out, but not like with reckless

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abandon where they don't know what they're
doing in terms of defensive responsibility or technical

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aspects or using jabs or you know, by the way standing in the pocket

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but not being afraid to you know, I don't know duck and and and

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you know, make a guy miss
and faint and that type of thing.

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Uh, and it just just kept
heating up and heating up, and they

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weren't running. They were in the
center of the ring just as a great,

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great fight to watch. Never really
slowed down, good paced the whole

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time, back and forth, back
and forth. And you know, listen,

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there was lots of action, I
mean, and one guy would get

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the better, the other guy would
get the better. Now, all that

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said, my feeling was, even
though Ford is starting to win some rounds,

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that Kolmotov is maintaining his lead.
Never did I have even though Kolmotov

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in my card, which I had
at the same as two judges one oh

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six to one oh three going into
the twelfth round, the other judge had

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it h one oh five one oh
four in favor of Ford, and and

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you had a situation where you know, you can see it close as long

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as like I wouldn't have been upset
if it goes to the cards and you

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got normal, like close scores as
long as I thank god there wasn't some

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wacky outlier and it goes a distance. But obviously if Ford's down, he

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doesn't know this, but they suspect
it because his corner is telling him,

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you know, all the right things
in the in the in the in the

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corner. Before the twelfth round,
his team did a hell of a job,

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you know, his trainer, Freddie
Anthony Rodriguez told him the true ruth

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spot on the entire fight. And
I can appreciate that, and like they

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really they really thought they could win
this fight, get the knockout, and

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he just kept going after it,
kept going after he hurt him with a

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with a couple of shots there to
southpaws. So there's that aspect to it.

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And look in the end Ray had
is in terms of his output,

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like in terms of differential on punches
landed, if you take a look at

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the coffee box, he saved his
best for last because his biggest rounds in

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terms of the punches landed was around
eleven and then followed up by round twelve.

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Now you're getting down the stretch,
DJ, two minutes fifty three seconds

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are seven seconds left in the fight. He gets the knockout, all right,

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So let's get to the ending.
Because I thought it was the right

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call line that it was not a
knockdown right away. Now that would have

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been vital for the ending. Had
the fight finished, and potentially it's a

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ten eight or ten to seven round
on the decision. So I thought that

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was the right call. You heard
some ooing and aye, and Tim Bradley

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like right away thought that maybe it
was a knockdown, but I thought even

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live before the replay, he shoved
him down. So now there's like fifteen

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seconds left in the fight, and
Ford gets him turned around and hit him

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with a good left and Kolmatoff is
clearly noodle legged, as I like to

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say, he's out. He's and
he's staggering towards the corner and the ropes

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and that's the only thing that kept
him up with his back turn. So

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I can tell by your inflection you
agreed with the call. There didn't need

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to be an extra punch or two
anybody with the stoppage. Anybody who doesn't

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think that was the right stoppage is
a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything about

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boxing. Twelfth round are the hard
fight. The guy's been badly hurt a

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few seconds earlier. This is not
Meldrick Taylor Chavez, where one guy's all

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the way in one quarner and the
other guy's on the complete other side of

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the ring and there are two seconds
left and there's you know, now you

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know you can speculate if he can
you know, if the referee new not

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know the red lights fashion blub bla
blight, Nos, there's less than ten

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seconds left. Whatever, they're right
there. Ford's on top of him,

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and if he lets him keep throwing
punches, he's gonna badly, badly hurt

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this man who's turned around and all
fucked up. And so Charlie Fitch,

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who was the referee in this fight, I thought, did a perfect stoppage.

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There was Comatov did not complain about
it, which is you know,

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often a telltale sign when the other
guy, you know, has nothing negative

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to say or doesn't make a stink
about it. The corner didn't make a

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stink about it. Perfect stoppage in
this fight, and you know he'll live

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to fight another day. He's still
young, twenty five years old, only

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has the one loss now, and
it was a great fight that he was

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winning. And so Ford gets a
let me just give you a stat here

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as dramatic a knockout win as you
can get. I mean, this is

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what it comes down to. We
saw a similar situation last year with O'shaki

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Foster when he retained his title against
Rocky Hernandez and needing the knockout to win.

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So back at that time, the
great historian and our pal Steve Farhood,

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you know, all those years with
showtime, you know, did the

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research. So I'm not taking credit
for the stat but he put out at

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that time that when O'shaki Foss did
that, he became the fourth teenth fighter

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in the history of boxing history ever
one hundred bazillion years, whatever how long

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the sports around one hundred plus years, just the fourteenth boxer ever to in

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the history of world title bouts to
trail going into the last round and get

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a knockout. Ray Ford now becomes
the fifteenth guy to do that. And

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I'm thinking of others. There's you
know, when when Mike Weaver won the

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heavyweight title by knocking out John Tate
in your home state of Tennessee, Knoxville,

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Tennessee, where literally it's a fifteen
round fight, Timber John John Tate

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probably won thirteen or fourteen rounds,
and then you're right, Timber, Mike

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Weaver knocked him out. He heard
him, He knocked him out face first.

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There's not a lot of examples of
that, but that was one we

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mentioned though Shaky Foster. There's also
the famous obviously chav Is and Melja Taylor.

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Yes, was going to lose us, all okay, so interesting on

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that point. The wild thing to
contemplate is if Kolmatoff simply goes down while

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he's sputtering noodle legged and goes down
and can stand up after he goes down

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for the mandatory eight count, he's
gonna win the fight. He doesn't know

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that, and he's concrusted probably,
but it's crazy in that moment that because

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he didn't go down and he's laying
on top of the ropes in the corner

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back turned. That's wild to contemplate. You talk about what ifs, and

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there's the win for ray Ford and
we should not take away from what was

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a tremendous twelfth round. One more
example and celebrating the championship, Yes,

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go ahead. Another great example that
I was because I've been thinking about this

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ever since it happened. I'm like, what other fights can I think of?

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Were the guy because I didn't ask
Farhood for the list of the fourteen

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fights, But the other one that
springs to mind. I remember watching it

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live on HBO back in the day
when you had Pernel Whitaker, who at

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the time was the WBC welterweight world
champion. He was absolutely having his clock

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cleaned by a guy that at the
time no one ever heard of. It

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was undefeated from Cuba. Theobellis hurtito
and if he doesn't win the fight,

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Oscar de la hoy is sitting at
ringside and there Gargante when pay per view

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goes dow on the drain and he's
getting his rare end kick. Now,

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Pernel is not a guy with a
lot of punching power, and in round

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eleven he absolutely cleaned Diabelli's Tartato's clock
and knocked him out extremely violently and salvage

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the del ay fight. But he
fits into that statistic of trailing in a

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world title fight and coming from behind
in uh, well, I take that

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back. I guess that wouldn't coun
because it was it wasn't the last round,

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It wasn't the last Still dramatic,
but okay, fair enough, doesn't

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fit the metric I mentioned, But
still a late knockout in a guy getting

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his rare end kicked to come back. But look what Ray four did is

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not the kind of thing you see
every day in boxing. And the kid

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has a lot to be proud of. Uh. You know, we talked

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to him on the podcast last week. We know how important this fight was

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to him, you know, really
meant everything to him. He's been working

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his whole life to this, I
mean, and that's what it comes down

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to, in your biggest moment,
do you rise to the occasion. He

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did, and Kolmatov did for eleven
and a half rounds or eleven and three

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quarters rounds or whatever, and was
not able to close the deal. And

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uh, you know it's it was
a I love I watched the fight a

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little bit this afternoon again. It
just a great, terrific matchup. Absolutely

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loved it. Glad it lived up
to what I thought it would be.

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And by the way, ray Ford
accomplishes another thing. When Mattroom Boxing started

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its Matchroom, it's Matchroom USA brand. When de Zone was created at the

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late part of twenty eighteen, they
signed a bunch of amateur fighters. Some

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panned out, some didn't. Somebody
like ray Ford now wins the title they

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had. Diego Pacheco is now on
the cusp of you know, being in

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a major fights at super middleweight sille
undefeated prospects, some guys you know,

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never did anything. But ray Ford
becomes the first fighter in Mattroom USA history

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or their American prospects that they signed
to take a kid from the amateurs,

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sign them and develop them into a
world champion. So you got to give

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a tip of the hat to all
the folks at Matchroom for being able to

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do that. That's a you know, I remember for a long time Golden

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Boy, which was always a top
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done was take a fighter from O
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it was like they kept they would
lose, they'd get the opportunity, their

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guy would lose. Finally they got
the job done, and now Mattroom Boxing

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can hang their hat to say that
we know what we can sign you,

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we can develop you, and we
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And now ray Ford's gonna, you
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fights. He's talking about maybe going
to one thirty because he had so much

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trouble with the weight cut. He's
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for much longer. Maybe he'll make
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that. I don't think maybe one
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They've got Cordino over there, as
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class. But it was an awesome
fight. Loved it. Sign measured every

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minute we've given to it. Yes, sign me up for rematch. And

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by the way, I did not
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our writer on Big Fight Weekend dot
Com, Sadik Ahmed, young up and

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coming writer, he was in the
building. He was in the Turning Stone

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Casino covering the fight for Big Fight
Weekend dot Com. And I'm going to

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play a conversation that he and I
had here in a few minutes, just

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because of the atmosphere in the arena. But go ahead and finish up.

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Luis Alberto Lopez won the co feature
fight, as we theorized, heavily favored

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over Abe, the Japanese opponent.
He defends his title. Some quick thoughts

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from you on that in the co
feature, Well, he's a very unorthodox

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fighter, and he's a lot of
fun to watch because he throws punches from

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all angles. You don't know where
the heck they're coming from. And it

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was the kind of fight where going
in you know, it was not meant.

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up, that you really thought it
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matter of fact, I actually asked
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you know, not like it was
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a passing conversation, you had these
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card. How was it determined that
we'll put Louis Alberta Lopez against Abbe in

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the co feature and Ford and Clmatov
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been the more established champion and have
done the fights overseas and look good and

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scored knockouts, but Kolmotov and Ford
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your fighter. And it was basically
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be a better fight. It was
nothing against Lopez, and they were right

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because Lopez and Abbe was a mismatch
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or top ranks fault. It was
the mandatory inflicted by the IBF. He

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did win an eliminator against Keiko Martinez
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saw bertal Lopez completely outclassed him.
He was a lot shorter than Abe,

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and you know, abb came,
he tried, but he just didn't have

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the skill level or the punching power
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Abbi also, you know, he
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round. There was a very severe
bruising and swelling around his I believe it

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was his right eye that caused all
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complete, you know, disaster on
the eye, and it certainly impacted him

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for the for the rest of the
fight. And so by the time they

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got to round eight, and he's
losing badly. He's lost every single round

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and Lopez is almost daring him to
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he just couldn't do anything with him. And there was, you know,

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the closing sequence. You know,
Lopez is a showman. He raised

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his hand and raises his glove to
the crowd and started waving it around.

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Crowd starts going crazy, and he
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I don't know, fifteen sixteen punches. Now, a lot of them missed,

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but a lot of them landed.
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Mark Nelson, who's the referee for
this fight, who was one of

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the best referees in boxing. He
just had no choice but to stop the

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fight. It was a complete shot
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you asked, I know, in
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well, if the guys who win
in the defenses against you know, against

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their opponent in this doubleheader, you
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a unification. But I can tell
you right now there's virtually no chance that

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ray Ford and Lopez get together in
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beyond belief. I just doubt that's
happening. They both talk about wanting to

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go to one thirty. You know, Lopez wants a unification. He's probably

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you know, may be able to
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and Robasi Ramirez rematch. But he
also talked about going up to till one

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thirty. He said he'd love to
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Liam Wilson, who take you know, take each other on, you know,

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coming at the end of the month. So maybe that's a possibility.

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That fight has the possibility that could
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it might be it would make it
more interesting for Lopez potentially, but uh,

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look, I enjoyed the card.
I mean, it may have been

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a mismatch between Lopez and not Bay, but it was a good fight to

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watch it with some good action there. And then the main event is you

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know, you're not going to get
much more competitive of better fights. And

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as I as I as I made
the point to some others and posted on

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social media. You know, we
as boxing fans, we're so abused by

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this business, by this sport,
by the industry, by the TV people,

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by the promoters, by fighters talking
shit on social media but not getting

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in the fucking ring that you put
up for all that all that shit you

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put up with as a fan to
just once in a while get that kind

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of gemis we got it. And
we've had some stink bombs as of late

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to a Femo Lopez title defense,
hold your Nose comes to mind, but

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at least that one obviously delivered Dan
hanging there again. Some comments here from

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Sadiq Ahmed coming who was in the
arena for that title fight, and then

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we're talking to Zone Show and Francis
Anganu here in just a few moments,

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sadik As I've been promoting. You
were right there, and what a dramatic

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ending, you know, like like
any great Hollywood movie, it's the ending.

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It's the ending that everybody wants to
talk about. Let's talk about the

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ending first, crazy ending. You're
there at ringside covering it. Did you

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realize at the time how close it
was to being the final bell when everything

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got stopped there? Or did it
take a few seconds to process all that?

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How did it work? Yeah?
Well, so I had the sense

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that Holmtov took their early rounds at
least you know, you know, three

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at least three of the first five
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and then after that, around the
fourth round, Ford started to come forward,

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and that's when things started to really
change. That's when Ford started to

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win rounds. It didn't hit me
until, you know, we were sending

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the scorecards that yeah, he was
like behind on two digitous scorecards and that

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he actually needed to get the stoppage
to in order to win. I was

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surprised personally. I did have it
close. But I feel like what transpired

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after the fourth round sort of impacted
how I saw things because from the from

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then on, I soft forward,
you know, coming forward winning rounds after

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you know, sort of struggling those
in those early rounds. But certainly at

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the dramatic end, in the final
few seconds, did you realize that the

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fight was almost over? Could you
tell that as it ends up being stopped

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with seven seconds left in the fight. What about take me back to that

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specific memory. Yeah. See,
I personally thought Holmotov would make it to

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the very end, but then there
was a moment where Ford clearly clearly shook

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him. He went down. That
was rule to push, which I believe

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was rightfully so. And then it
seems that Homotov, whatever happened before that

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push, didn't recover and he just
you know, for the slimed punch after

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punch after punch, and it caused
Holmotov to slightly turn his back away,

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something that we struggled to see because
the people in front of us, Eddie

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heard and all the top brand people
were just jumping up and down of what

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was going on, but trying to
look between Eddie Hearn, Bob Aarram,

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whoever else what just happened there.
I just made the point with Dan that

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in a wild twist, if he
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If he actually goes down and there's
a mandatory eight count and he can

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stand back up, the round is
over. The wild part of it is

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he didn't go down, back to
Ford laying kind of over the top rope,

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gets hit again and the referee says, that's it. Amazing, amazing.

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How loud was it in the Turning
Stone resort in that moment when he's

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waving it off, Because you could
see on the TV Ford's crowd, his

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part of the crowd, his corner, going crazy. It didn't translate as

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well maybe on the ESPN Plus broadcast. How loud was it in that moment

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when the fight is stopped with seconds
remaining? Sadik To me, it was

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pretty loud. Granted Turningstone is in
you know, it's on the largest of

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arenas, I think seats about five
thousand, But it was pretty loud given

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the number of people that were there, very wild seasons when that happened.

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What about for Ford? You were
there for the aftermath? I mean tears

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in his eyes. He becomes a
world champ, As Dan was saying,

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he doesn't think he's long for the
featherweight division, had so much trouble making

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the weight here. But what about
for Ford in this victory. What do

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you say, having been there,
having covered the post fight aftermath, and

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what is his potential here? What's
his upside? Yeah, for the last

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few years I've underestimated him, even
going into this fight. I didn't think

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he'd pull it off, so he
surprised me here. Yeah. I think

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going forward, if he just continues
working, you know, doing his thing,

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I think he could do pretty well
at one thirty as well. I

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know he's talked about, you know, moving up, so we'll see.

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If he doesn't move up to one
thirty. I think he holds you all

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right, Sadik I met as with
us. There is another moment or two

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here on the Fight Freaktion Night recap
podcast. He was there for Big Fight

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Weekend dot Com inside the Turning Stone
Resort. Sign me up for a rematch.

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I don't know that it's realistic that
it can happen, but you would

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not be opposed to that, and
Needa would a whole lot of fight fans.

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That was a very entertaining fight.
I'd love to see Kolmatov get another

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shot at Ford because he was so
close to winning this fight. Saturday night.

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For sure, I'd be down again. I know Ford has talked about

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potentially moving up, so I don't
know how workable it is given that Ford

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is also a match from Fighter Cloths
with or it's co promoted at least by

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top rank. I mean this happened
because of a purse s bid, but

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ain't gonna work it out somehow?
Then sure, I'm down. Listen,

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We're down with your great coverage.
Nice, nice job. I know you

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made extra effort to be with me
as we take this Sunday night and get

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into Monday, because Sadiq has been
traveling all Sunday afternoon and Sunday night to

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his home in Canada after being there. But two words that we love in

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my household worth it Was it worth
it? I think yes? For sure?

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It was a getting out of fights. Yeah, it was definitely worth

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it. Sadiq, Thanks my friend, keep up the good work. Thank

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you great stuff, and again Sadiq
doing a fantastic job as a young writer.

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Reporter was there on scene in the
Turning Stone Casino for that Ford Kolmatov

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fight. Let's move on the other
show simultaneously was in Puerto Rico. Okay,

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can we get it let's get it
out of the way before we get

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to the Amana Serrano cancelation of her
title fight. All we did was debate

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would this Jake Paul fight get to
the middle of the second round with Ryan

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Borland, little known from Dickinson,
North Dakota on the big est show originally

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California, but fighting out of the
mega center of Dickinson, North Dakota.

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So we spent like ten minutes on
the bet Us show going on and on

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about over under one and a half
rounds. That was the only intrigue.

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Rayfield, I'm gonna start complete disappointment
that he's in there with a guy that

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not only is trying to not hold
him, not try to fight back,

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but just seemed from the first time
he got hit for how can I comfortably

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go down and not get killed here? That's all that it looked like.

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As soon as he got hurt a
minute into the fight, there was no

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attempt to hold, no attempt to
get out of the way, no attempt

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to fight back. It's a joke. I'm saying that, all right,

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give me, give me your right. Yeah, I mean the reason why

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I was disappointing was, I mean, look, first of all, nobody

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expected he's gonna win the fight,
obviously, but if you are in the

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mindset of your trying to develop Jake
Paul, this was not an unreasonable match.

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They saw a guy with a good
record, a guy that had a

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decent amateur career, who had way
more professional fights seventeen and two coming in.

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They didn't want to put Jake in
with a big puncher. Find this

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check stat box two because Borland,
Ryan Borland only had six knockouts. But

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it was they thought that Ryan Borland
would move a little bit on him and

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maybe take him a few rounds and
that sort of thing. And he didn't

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do the kind of fight apparently that
he normally did, because he just covered

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up. I mean again, I
don't want to get to and down in

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the weeds. But on the punch
stats, I mean, you have Jake

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Paul. This is hilarious. Jake
Paul lands twenty four of seventy four punches

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in one round thirty two percent.
Borland landed three of twenty four. Point

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is Jake Paul landed as many punches
as Borland threw, and that is never

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a recipe for a victory. He
was looking for the soft spot to fall

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down. He finally went down to
the knee and referee appropriately stopped the fight.

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You know, but I'm not and
I'm not I'm just not going to

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criticize Jake Paul because if he was
starting out, these are the kinds of

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fights that you have, and I
think that they truly believed that, yes,

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he would win, but this guy
would at least be there to extend

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him a little bit. And I
couldn't good conscience take an under one and

407
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,799
a half. I know three that
I just couldn't do it. You and

408
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,160
I are texting each other as it
was about to begin, and we both

409
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,880
held hands and jumped off the cliff
that it was going to make it to

410
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,200
the middle of the second round.
Are you Selma or Louise? I don't

411
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,960
know. I don't know better.
It was like we didn't when we handicapped

412
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:21,359
on the US Show. I think
you took it the same way I did.

413
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,480
We weren't doing this in a serious
manner. It was all about under

414
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,279
correct and you know, and if
I had to do it again, so

415
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:32,240
just one more time, it's gotta
be a little more credible moving forward,

416
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,559
or I mean, if it's just
gonna be on regular zone, that's one

417
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,720
thing, and maybe that's what he's
content to do for the next couple of

418
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,680
fights. But a little more credible
is gonna help or else the interest is

419
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720
going to wane in watching this.
Perfect example, all right, perfect example.

420
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:49,720
Just quick story. Buddy of mine
is a marketing manager for two nightclub

421
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:53,319
bars in Clearwater, Florida, one
of them on Clearwater Beach. So they

422
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,759
worked out, they broke her to
deal with the zone to be able to

423
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,759
show this fight card as as as
the bars, which is more expensive than

424
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,839
having your individual dezone thing. So
he was in touch with me and he

425
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,079
said to me, is this Jake
Paul fight gonna be a complete joke,

426
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,079
a complete circus? I said,
likely by the second round, yes,

427
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,160
but the hope is that at least
goes one round. He was texting me

428
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,279
and calling me Rayfield and going,
that looks like a fixed fight. I'm

429
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:26,279
just giving you his I'm just telling
you. His reaction was that looked like

430
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,480
a fixed fight. And his attitude
was, if this is what they're gonna

431
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160
offer, even on his own for
a bar pay per view, We're not

432
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,359
buying that right now unless the quality
is better. I'm just putting that out

433
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,880
there. For consent. I'll just
tell you they're gonna He's gonna come back

434
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,240
and his next fight's gonna be another
boxer, hopefully it's a better than Borland.

435
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440
He's gonna do a non pay per
view fight, and after that's over

436
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,039
there, look to see what other
thing they want to do another pay per

437
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,039
view. You know, Look,
Jake was calling out Canelo Alvarez afterwards.

438
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:53,880
Pleased with that enough, and you
know, I'm a I'm a Jake Paul

439
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,359
fan. I don't. I think
he gets a lot of grief for no

440
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,480
reason. But I also get when
you do that your stern things on purpose.

441
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,880
I don't take I think he probably
would love to fight Canello, but

442
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,960
I don't take that serious because I
know that's not happening. He's thirty pounds

443
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000
difference. Canelo is obviously doing other
things. But I enjoyed the show and

444
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,359
he wasn't the main event, so
I don't know why people are so uptight

445
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,160
about it. He's a prospect with
popularity trying to fight, and these are

446
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,799
developmental fights. End of story.
Okay, ray Ford had these developmental fights

447
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,319
when he turned pro I mean all
these guys did. The Komotov had these

448
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,519
types of developmental fights when he turn
pro all these guys do that, and

449
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,160
then it was supposed to set the
states for the Serrano fight, and then

450
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,359
what happened happened. Okay, let's
get into that, all right. So

451
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,640
again, you and I were in
text communication. I've been talking to you

452
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,799
more than Missus Reeves all weekend,
and I don't know that that's a good

453
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,920
thing. You certainly shouldn't be talking
to me more than you're talking to Missus

454
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720
Rayfield, but we're in touch.
I saw it on social media, and

455
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200
full disclosure, I was also doing
stuff with college basketball and a live show

456
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Saturday, and I'm like, Rayfield, WHOA. I'm like, is this

457
00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:00,759
true? You texted me back legit
legit that you were hearing from another ride

458
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,039
ahead of time. You did.
You said, legit legit about the rumor

459
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:11,119
that she's not even glowed a rule. Well, right, but I mean

460
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,960
you also put she's not gloved up
a half hour. You put that on

461
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000
the text message to me, So
then I'm looking into it and I'm like,

462
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,920
she's not gloved up a half hour
before she's supposed to fight, or

463
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,400
fifteen minutes before she's supposed to fight, all right, so we now have

464
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,759
learned more. You know, she's
in tears in the ring Amanda Serrano.

465
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,480
She was sort of explaining it after
the fight. We've learned more because Nakisa

466
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:36,000
Baderian, who is the partner of
Jake paul Most Valuable Promotions, he explained

467
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:40,319
it that while preparing to have her
hair done and or having her hair done,

468
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,599
some chemical apparently got in her eye
and on her hands. That's what

469
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:51,519
happened, and they believe that treatment
Friday and treatment Saturday afternoon was gonna help.

470
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,160
And in Nikisa Baderian's words, she
was improved vision wise, but the

471
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,839
doctor was too concerned about you're about
to go in there in a sport where

472
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,599
they're swinging back at you. I'm
not going to clear you. And apparently

473
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,839
they were pleading, pleading for her
to have the opportunity to even try it,

474
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,319
and he said nope. The commission
overruled and said no, the medical

475
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,079
the medical people have to do what
the medical people have to do. It

476
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,640
sucks, it's it's unfortunate, but
look, you know, as Raypiel ever

477
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,079
been around hair, chemical in the
eye can't cancel the main event. Can

478
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,480
you ever recall that one? Because
you know, apparently she went out for

479
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,960
a jog and the stuff got in
her eye. And you know, nobody

480
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,559
did anything on purpose. No one
was trying to defraud anybody. Amanda Torano

481
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,880
was absolutely crushed by the situation.
You could tell by the emotion that she

482
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,279
had when she was doing the interview
in the ring after it was announced to

483
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:47,119
the crowd, you know the crowd, because it's a humiliating thing for her.

484
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
No, I mean it has happened. I mean the fans there,

485
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,000
they got a complete show other than
the main event. Unfortunately, they did

486
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,640
offer them everybody a refund. They
paid or said they would pay. Her

487
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,240
opponent, Nina Menke, her full
purse was a mandatory fight. They said

488
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:06,279
they hoped to reschedule when Amanda is
ready to go again. And it sucks

489
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,680
now, it is not unprecedent.
I actually remember a specific example and I

490
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,920
went and I looked up my reporting
on this from ten years ago, and

491
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,480
there was a fight that took place
in It was supposed to take place in

492
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,960
Russia, and this was a fight
that was a cruiserweight world title fight.

493
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,640
It was the rematch. People remember
this was the WBA Cruiserweight title holder Dennis

494
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Lebedev who was having a rematch with
Girmo Jones, who was a don King

495
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,839
fighter, and they're literally in the
dressing room taking care of business. And

496
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,440
as you know, when drug testing
happens, lots, you know, samples

497
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,359
get collected before the fight, samples
get collected after the fight. The results

498
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,119
come back at different times when your
tested more than once. It turned out

499
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,319
that one of the test results that
was related to a test that Girmo Jones

500
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,559
had taken, who had failed to
drug test previously in his career, came

501
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:56,400
back positive and the result came to
the attention of the regulators while the undercard

502
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,599
was going on. So they have
a positive drug test while the dudes in

503
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,119
the dress This on after a lot
of discussion. This is like two hours

504
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:06,000
before the fight's supposed to start.
They're in the dress room trying to figure

505
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:07,880
out what they heck to do,
and like twenty minutes before they're supposed to

506
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,759
walk to the ring, that fight, the main event, a cruiserweight world

507
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:16,279
title fight, was canceled. So
it's rare, but it does happens.

508
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,359
Happen, Yeah, ocasially, and
I've looked and it's it's less rare,

509
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,039
but again, not common where you
have fights that are canceled at the weigh

510
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:27,039
in. And we saw what happened
with Zerdo Ramirez canceled at the Wayne.

511
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,119
I was there in Las Vegas.
I can still a picture when they canceled

512
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,279
Corrals Castillo three because Jose Lewis Castillo
was overweight. Yet again, there's a

513
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,880
famous Michael Spinks fight against Dwight Braxton
that was canceled the night before in Washington,

514
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,759
d C. Because I got one, I'll jog you. Carl Frampton

515
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,599
lost out on a title fight,
title defend something because he was in Philadelphia.

516
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,400
If I'm right, he's sitting there, he's sitting there in the lobby

517
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:58,119
and a worker in the hotel lobby
knocked like a concrete something over onto his

518
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,640
hand and broke his hand. I
was there, and so that I mean,

519
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:07,880
but again that's the day before.
But that's yet on that Bruce Trampler

520
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,039
and Brad Goodman from top rank.
I mean, it was crazy. That's

521
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,759
that's what happened. Yes, so
strange things happen. And again we wish

522
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,400
her well, we don't, we
don't. We don't want to see her

523
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,000
sideline for any length of time.
She is being evaluated further for the eye.

524
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:27,160
Jake Paul even said cornea damage to
the eye. I believe them when

525
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,319
they say they were doing anti inflammatory
treatment and they were trying to see if

526
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,079
she could fight, but obviously better
safe than sorry. And she'll come back

527
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,920
there, probably in fight at some
point and maybe even later this year.

528
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,359
We'll see, Uh, we'll see
what anything on that, anything further.

529
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,759
Just just a crazy situation and it's
it's very unfortunate. And I'll just add

530
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,559
she is a class act. I
have been around her. I watched her,

531
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,920
uh when she was on the undercard
of the Jake poll battle with Tyron

532
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,319
Woodley the rematch in Tampa, Rayphael
she must have done fifteen interviews with all

533
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
kinds of different people that didn't really
matter, a whole lot local media,

534
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,400
whatever she gets it. She used
to fight for very little money, so

535
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,079
she has calm full circle now to
fight for big money. And this was

536
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,559
a huge moment for her. And
it's humiliating, that's the word I'll use

537
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,559
again, that she could not defend
and had to stand there in the ring

538
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,199
in tears and say I can't I
can't defend tonight, and I'm upset.

539
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,599
My heart hurts and eighteen thousand people. Roughly, they had over a million

540
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,599
dollar game. Matter of fact,
I spoke to Nikisa on Sunday and he

541
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:36,239
was telling me that the gate for
this fight was it was it was large

542
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,800
dollar wise, it was bigger than
when she fought Katie Taylor at the Garden.

543
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,800
That's not how much. The people
in Puerto Rico were happy to have

544
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,760
her fight there for the first time
in a couple in a few years.

545
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,800
And you know, she's spent most
of her career living in Brooklyn. She's

546
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,920
now apparently living once again in Puerto
Rico, but she hadn't fought there for

547
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,360
a few years, and so this
was like a big moment. And like

548
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,840
I said, we can move on, but you just hope that she heels

549
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,599
up and comes back to fight another
day. Else said on that all right,

550
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,639
now, later this week coming up
it quickly. It is Francis and

551
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:13,480
Ghanu and Anthony Joshua heavyweight showed a
knockout Chaos Rayphael coming Friday in Saudi Arabia.

552
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,400
You do not have to wait for
later this week to hear from Francis

553
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:22,000
and Ghanu. Here he is right
now on our recap pot well, it's

554
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,599
my great privilege to have my first
interview today on our podcast with the one

555
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:29,559
and only the man from the UFC, now a big boxing star making his

556
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,360
name. It's Francis Naganu, the
Predator, and Francis, welcome to my

557
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,960
show. I appreciate it. First
of all, just how excited are you

558
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:42,320
for what is another huge boxing match
in your career from BFF. Bro from

559
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,320
BFF, I think you'll really be
rowing. I see PFL Yes, sir,

560
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,599
that's that's you. Well, that's
your new that's your new MMA home.

561
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,000
But people know you from your UFC
days. You got trus through fair

562
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:59,519
enough anyway, So huge fight again, another big one, just a few

563
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:05,079
months after a last Yeah, another
big one, right, So, I

564
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,480
mean it's great to get here,
get in the boxing after all those little

565
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:14,599
drama in the past, gets here
finally getting in the boxing that was my

566
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,920
dream spot. And then get to
the point that, you know, I'm

567
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,320
fighting the two best fighters in the
world back to bad who have done that

568
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,000
before, Nobody Prances and Ghana.
So I'm very happy about that. I

569
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:34,159
feel very you know, I feel
that things are shifting up. I feel

570
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:39,559
from the to be the unprivileged to
become the privilege in life. Well,

571
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,360
it is quite a remarkable story,
as you said, to come into boxing

572
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,119
and immediately in your first two boxing
matches fight the two biggest names in the

573
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:51,760
heavyweight division, uh and and and
uh. You know, perhaps more after

574
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,280
this, depending on what happens,
if it's your if it's what you want

575
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,400
to do. But you mentioned that
was always your dream sport about boxing.

576
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,920
What I'm curious about because I,
you know, I don't follow a lot.

577
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:01,800
I know a little bit about you, but I've been reading up on

578
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,679
you a bit, but I haven't
really seen the answer to this. If

579
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,159
it was your dream, what made
you go into mixed martial arts instead of

580
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:16,480
trying boxing first as a professional opportunity. I started boxing, but again I

581
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,360
was alone. I started boxing.
I was twenty two, and then it

582
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,840
took me five years. I was
in Cameroon for like another four years.

583
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,079
They didn't have any opportunity, and
then I have to lift Cameroon to Europe.

584
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,679
That took me over a year to
get in Europe and then get there.

585
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,840
Was looking an opportunity for boxing,
where to box and this, and

586
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,559
then MM came around and was quick
and easy, you know, Grabb and

587
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,679
go, and I was doing it
until someday even without me expecting I have

588
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:57,719
the US, had the USC contract. Then I couldn't let that opportunity go

589
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,960
regarding my stretch tradition of the time. So I took the opportunity, but

590
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,639
Buxton was always in the back of
my head. And then again when it

591
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,840
comes the moment, when it come
the opportunity to take on Buxton, I

592
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,760
didn't as it did to cross over
and dive into that opportunity. Well,

593
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,920
when you took that opportunity this passed
October and got the chance to fight against

594
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,800
the heavyweight champion, Tyson Fury,
I mean, you know this, nobody

595
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,880
gave you a real chance to win, much less really compete. I think

596
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,280
you know among the public, certainly
among a lot of the media members.

597
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,199
Obviously you had a lot of belief
in yourself. So I wonder what was

598
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,079
it that coming into the sport as
a professional gave you the confidence that you

599
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,800
could not only compete, but in
the eyes of a lot of people,

600
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,480
Francis win against Tyson Fury. Well, my life experience was what gave me

601
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:54,280
the confident because people are not giving
me any chance. For me, it

602
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,599
wasn't anything you It was just he
has always been like that, you know,

603
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:07,800
they always write me out. Uh
so much that went better on me.

604
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:12,559
I'm concerned, you know, always
been there the duck. So coming

605
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:16,440
into this fight, you was just
already it was another another day in the

606
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:22,360
office, you know, another story, same thing. So when you when

607
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,039
you fought him, you did obviously
very well. You knocked him down.

608
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,840
You ultimately lost a split decision.
But I mentioned so many people thought that

609
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,079
you won, did you uh,
even though you didn't get your hand raised.

610
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,639
I just wanted to know if you
did you know, did it?

611
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,719
Did it? Did it? How
did you feel about that? Like mentally

612
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,280
emotionally that you feel like maybe you
got robbed in the fight, but it

613
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,519
certinly didn't impact your ability to make
obviously a ton of fans in boxing,

614
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,920
to show what you could do in
the ring, obviously to land another huge

615
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,280
fight like you have. And I'll
mention, uh, you know, obviously

616
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,440
this fight against Anthony Joshua in Riad, Saudi Arabia on pay per view and

617
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,800
uh PPV dot com his own pay
per view. Uh, Like, were

618
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,880
you bothered by that or were you
just sort of shuk it off? You

619
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,599
know, I shake it off.
Life is not always fair. As soon

620
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,119
as you understand that you're going to
be doing great in life, you know,

621
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,440
And then I knew even getting there. That's why I wasn't even surprised.

622
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,639
I knew that I was coming into
this new sport. Every nobody was

623
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,920
counting on me. I'm even sure
that some Joorges wasn't watching the fight.

624
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:36,239
They have the scoreboard ready even before
the fight started, you know, or

625
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,480
sometimes they wake up sometime in between
the fire. I'm like them, the

626
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,320
fight is still on, and then
just decided to put something on the paper.

627
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,119
But they wasn't watching at all.
Right, So again it's the story

628
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:52,480
of my life, always been count
out. And I knew that he wasn't

629
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:57,719
going to be easy in the term
of like just stepping into a boxing and

630
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:04,039
then just being in everybody hard and
and just expecting to be treated right by

631
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,320
every by everybody. So when you
when you come into the fight against Tyson

632
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,039
Fury, obviously just kind of snuck
up on people. I Mean they knew

633
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,559
who Francis Nuangandu was, but had
no concept of what you might be able

634
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,440
to do inside the boxing ring.
Uh, clearly everybody saw what you did

635
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,840
so I would I would think that
you're not sneaking up on Anthony Joshua.

636
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,760
They they they realize what you're capable
of. I'm sure that they've watched your

637
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,000
fight against Tyson Fury. Does that
make it maybe like a little more difficult

638
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,440
going into this fight. It's no
longer like a stealth operation. They know

639
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,320
you, they've watched you box.
They only have ten rounds to look at,

640
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:42,519
but they're gonna be more prepared,
perhaps than Tyson Fury was. Then

641
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,760
it's up to me to find another
way to be sneaky. You know,

642
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,559
if they're waiting into the left and
then I'll come to the right. If

643
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:52,079
they are waiting into the right,
I'll come to the left. Listen,

644
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,880
I understand that. I know because
you have the experience now in both sports

645
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,679
at the highest level, between boxing
and mixed martial arts. I wonder which

646
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,599
do you enjoy doing more. Well, First of all, you have to

647
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:13,239
understand that boxing has always been my
first dream, but it's complicated because Meme,

648
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,679
I've been into mm for the past
ten years and I'm very comfortable in

649
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:23,320
MME. So regardless boxing is tough
for me or Meme is, boxing is

650
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,199
still tough for me and Meme in
MM, I'm more confident. You know,

651
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,360
I know everything in my body mechanics
is they are there. Everything is

652
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,199
there. Not that it's easier,
but it's less complicated. It's less stressful,

653
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,079
even on my body. That might
sound crazy, or it's more that

654
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:50,719
on your knee and everything, but
it's so physically easy for me than than

655
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,400
boxing because my body mechanics is adjusting
to the boxing. When you fought against

656
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Tyson Theory, I wonder do you
think it was it was more because you

657
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,800
are a lot better than maybe many
people thought you might be, or was

658
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760
part of it because maybe he didn't
take you seriously because he wasn't as prepared

659
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:17,880
as he should have been a professional
athlete. Well, I think he must

660
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,920
have been prepared, But first of
all, the most important element was that

661
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:31,239
people I was better than what people
expected. First of all, people many

662
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,639
people wasn't even expected anything. Who
was hilarious for a guy that is even

663
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:44,079
though I never did a boxing was
a compassport added a compassport champion in another

664
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:51,639
com combassport, right, So I
think that was the thing, because honestly,

665
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,960
I don't think that was a great
performance. I don't think that was

666
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,360
the awesome performance. But I think
he was just enough to surprise people and

667
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,280
they were like, wow, you
know, but I believe that I can

668
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,280
do better than that. I can
do way better than that. Right,

669
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,280
you the greatest that you can find
about him, But you were just like,

670
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,639
Well, for a guy that who
wasn't expecting anything from him, that's

671
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,679
great. What are you expecting from
Joshua? I mean, he's obviously a

672
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,599
much different type of opponent, different
type of style fighter, not as tall

673
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,719
as Tyson Fury. Like I said, you're not sneaking up on anybody this

674
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,079
time. So what are you expecting
from the former heavyweight champion? Well,

675
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,599
expecting him to come, prepare and
come to the war, because yes,

676
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,159
he has seen me already, and
then he knows that he has a lot.

677
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,760
There's a lot under line here.
There's a lot for him to lose

678
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:46,079
here, So it's gonna come with
everything that he has. One thing I'm

679
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:51,199
very interested in is you're obviously making
a huge amount of money in this fight.

680
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960
You made a huge amount of money
in the fight against Tyson Fury,

681
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,320
as as I've heard you say in
interviews. You know you got the bag.

682
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,000
You know, after a lot of
time. I'm in a in a

683
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,679
MMA where you didn't make the kind
of huge money I said, I fumbled

684
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,559
the back. I fumbled the back. Well you didn't you that's not what

685
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,559
you said. That's what other suns
somebody else said that you bumbled the bag.

686
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,719
Uh. But I just wonder,
you know, how how just amazing

687
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,800
is it to you that you could
have such a storied career in mm A.

688
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,519
Uh, you know, make money, but come into boxing and your

689
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:27,920
two fights, from what I understand, anyway, eclipse your entire career earnings

690
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,199
in mm A in one fight,
much less the second fights you're gonna have.

691
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,559
Well, I think we don't.
I would not use this to like

692
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,760
bash what MMA have given to me, you know, the opportunity. But

693
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,320
the reason why we were sharing is
because of my MMA career. And then

694
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:51,280
there's also a lot of boxing fighters
that they are not even making what I

695
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:59,639
was making in the MMA, and
also not because I have a we have

696
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:05,239
some situation in mm whish mean about
that was the standard? Right? That's

697
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,920
not the standard. If I would
have fight in the PFO after if I

698
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,159
would have fight uh in the in
mm after my last fight, that was

699
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:21,320
the moment that I was basically manifesting
if I would have to fight in MMA,

700
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,280
I would have still made a lot
of money, right, because even

701
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,239
from my last fight, I turned
down a lot of money, the money

702
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,400
that I have never made career,
I turned down because I was standing by

703
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,480
something. I had some principle that
I didn't want to break it up.

704
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,400
Right. So the fact that I
didn't have the money is not because the

705
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:45,840
money wasn't there or because the money
wasn't offered. It is because I swich

706
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,440
and then I get to that specific
point and it was the moment that I

707
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,119
stepped into boxing. But again,
if I were to fight in MMA,

708
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,039
in any MMA organization, I would
have made make a lot of money as

709
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,239
well. All right, So let
me then wrap up with this. You

710
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,360
mentioned my last question for you.
Uh, it's been announced by PFL that

711
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:07,000
after this fight against Anthony Joshua in
a boxing match, that you're supposed to

712
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,320
return to have your first ever PFL
fight against the winner of their big show

713
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,199
that they just recently had in Saudi
Arabia against Uh, I forget the guy's

714
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:23,159
name who won the Renan Ferra,
right who who won that that big match

715
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,239
that he had? So is that
your plan to go back and do that

716
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,480
PFL fight next, and do you
plan like I think of Claressa Shields and

717
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,960
boxing. She's also was on that
card with the PFL, and she's been

718
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,320
shuttling back and forth between the two
sports. Is that your intention to have

719
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,920
this fight with aj, go do
that fight in PFL, maybe another one

720
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,320
whatever, and then eventually come back
in boxing again and basically make two sports

721
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:54,400
as a combat stars. As far
as fighting in the MMA, yes,

722
00:47:54,519 --> 00:48:00,320
that's my uh, that's my uh, my goal to combine a bit,

723
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,920
because I think I still have to. I still have a few fights in

724
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:09,079
MMA, but after this one.
The understatement from fighting ren and Ferrera after

725
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:15,639
this fight is a potential option because
it depends how this fight goes. Because

726
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:22,079
this fight is my lead into a
un disputed fight, which I think will

727
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,679
be back to back. I will
not let this after this fight. If

728
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,679
I win this fight, I'm going
to fight for the on disputed. I

729
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,719
will not step out and go fight
MM. Maybe had a reason of injury

730
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,880
or something before fight on disputed.
I think I will go straight to fight

731
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,400
on dispuit. Well, I'll tell
you what. If you can go back

732
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,960
and forth and get those big mega
fights. It's a beautiful thing to have

733
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,360
options, and you obviously are a
man that has options. Francis, thank

734
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,639
you so much for your time today. I appreciate it. I wish your

735
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,920
best of luck. Let me tell
you've made a big splash in boxing,

736
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,519
and having not known your story and
followed what's occurred, I can't help but

737
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:58,920
be a fan. And I'm not
just trying to kiss beer in here.

738
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,639
Thank you. I appreciate you,
Bo, Thank you so much, Fransis.

739
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:06,280
Good luck with you. Excellent.
Get mister ray Field, to get

740
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,920
him fight week and to get it
rolling, all right, You got to

741
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,000
look at him while you were talking
to him. Everybody wants to know what

742
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,599
kind of shot do you think he
has? You saw him as fight week

743
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,639
begins. Give me a read on
what you saw. We heard from him

744
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,280
obviously, but yeah, give me
thought really confident. You know. My

745
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,960
perspective is he kind of and we
and as people heard the interview, I

746
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,559
use the terminology he snuck up on
Tyson Fury because nobody gave him a chance

747
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,400
in hell to do anything, even
though everybody respected him for his accomplishments as

748
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,480
a MMA fighter. But you're not
gonna hang with the heavyweight champ of the

749
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,760
world in your pro debut as a
boxer. But he did because Fury does.

750
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,559
I believe it's a combination of Fury
not taking him seriously and the Gano

751
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,880
being obviously better than maybe people gave
him credit for it, and you put

752
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,440
the two together and it makes for
a fight that he obviously scored a knockdown

753
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,199
in and looked very good and you
know, certainly could have walked away with

754
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,280
his hand raised in a victory even
though he ended up losing his split decision.

755
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,800
Well, he's not sneaking up on
Anthony Joshua because everybody now knows that

756
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,440
you got to take the dude seriously
because he just did what he did against

757
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,559
Tyson Fury. And Anthony Joshua has
never been the kind of guy, in

758
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,400
my mind to take an opponent lightly. Number one and number two. Anthony

759
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,800
Joshua has been active, he's been
fighting well, he has that confidence.

760
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,840
I mean, he's going to now
be fighting for the fourth time in a

761
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,280
twelve month period, so you know
he should be sharp. And while I

762
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,199
expect Anthony Joshua to win the fight, you just can't underestimate the fact that

763
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,079
if if somehow, some way he
can land the kind of punch on Joshua

764
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,000
that he landed on Tyson Fury.
That could be a problem. So there's

765
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,320
definitely intrigue. The fact that it's
a ten round fight not a twelve round

766
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,119
fight, you know, probably is
better in the sense for Joshua because not

767
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,840
that he ever had a problem with
the stamina note, but it just makes

768
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,199
me it just gives him another advantage
that, you know, he doesn't have

769
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,000
to go as long. I mean, I guess France and the guy who

770
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,480
might be troubled if they did go
into the twelfth round, but he seemed

771
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,639
to go ten rounds with no real
problem in terms of his win against Tyson

772
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,320
Fury. I think it's going to
be a fun fight. I mean,

773
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,599
I think Joshua's going to probably be
a little a little uh, gonna box

774
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,719
a little bit early on. I
don't think he's gonna rush out there and

775
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,599
try to clean his clock right off
the bat, and I'll see what he's

776
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,360
in front of him, and and
uh and and they'll they'll do what they

777
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,719
do. But I think it's gonna
be fun to watch. I'm actually very

778
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,760
excited about it. I mean,
there's hey, there's there's there's real intrigue

779
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,760
just from this standpoint, because if
in Ghanu is good again, then he's

780
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,800
got a chance to screw it up
for Anthony Joshua once and for all.

781
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,679
And if Joshua does something that Fury
couldn't do, which is beating Ghanu up

782
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,199
and or knock came out, okay, now there's more leverage. There's a

783
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:31,800
lot of He thinks Friday, he
thinks there's a chance. Mean he supposedly

784
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,159
he's supposed to go back to PFL
to have his first fight under their banner

785
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:42,119
after signing with them against the winner
of their unification PFL Delator fight. That

786
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,840
happened, But he was saying,
like, maybe I'll fight the winner of

787
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,039
uh ooh sick against Fury perhaps made
to the second place to shut it undisputed.

788
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,960
That probably won't be undisputed because the
titles will splinter, but he can

789
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,400
still get maybe a title shot.
He's ranked in the WBC now and all

790
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,119
that he you know, the world
is his oyster right now. He's and

791
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,800
do what he wants to do and
make a lot of money in big fights,

792
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,199
and with PFL he can do the
same in boxing. And I must

793
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,039
say, I'd never interviewed him before. I never met France and Naganu.

794
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,480
Today was the first time I ever
spoke to him. But I've been following

795
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,559
and learning about him ever since he
was signed to fight Theory. And I

796
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:19,719
must say for in my experience in
listening to those interviews and watching him do

797
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,880
interviews, and now having a chance
to spend a little time with him on

798
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:28,119
Sunday morning on a zoom call,
what an absolute pleasure. A pleasant guy

799
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,000
who knows where he's from, knows
what he wants to do, very endearing,

800
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,239
just a great quality about him,
a nice sense of humor, like

801
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,239
I thoroughly enjoyed getting a chance to
talk to him. Great stuff on that,

802
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,800
some news and some nostalgia. Rayphael
helped me. I thought it was

803
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,440
Splitsville with Canelo and Premiere Boxing Champions. Now we got word flying around everywhere

804
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,239
that they may be back at the
table here Heimimungia may be the opponent.

805
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,159
How many times am I going to
say may in my preference, maybe it's

806
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:01,239
Berlanga, maybe it's not. Back
on Merre Boxing Champions on Amazon, we

807
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,440
got a lot of Maybies. What's
the deal, what's the latest? Real

808
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,880
quick well, first of all,
ever in your life have you known a

809
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,480
couple that was madly in love together
and married, split up, went their

810
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,639
separate ways, and then then they're
getting back together and getting remarried. I

811
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,159
know some people that have been like
that over the years. It happens.

812
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,280
It happens. Uh, not to
say that. I think that PBC and

813
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,719
Canelo are madly in love with each
other. I think it's not that watched

814
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,599
the Doctor Phil show all the time. It's right there, it's there.

815
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,400
I don't watch Doctor Fell. I'll
leave the Doctor Phil watching to you.

816
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,880
However, Uh, what's the old
saying, Tej. It's a fluid situation.

817
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,920
Okay, But here's here's the best. Here's the best version of the

818
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,599
truth as I know it as we
record this on Sunday evening. He did

819
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,639
split with PBC. They were done
and he was walking. To my knowledge,

820
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,840
maybe that's wrong, but that's what
I was told by sources on both

821
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,719
sides of the coin. But I
think at the end of the day,

822
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:59,679
PBC realizes that this is my conjecture, if they're gonna make the Amazon thing

823
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,960
work in some capacity, you have
to have the number one attraction in the

824
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,440
sport and you're not that far off
of trying to get the deal done anyway,

825
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,000
because they did obviously sign him,
they do have opponents for him,

826
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:14,079
et cetera. So they're now working
on this as a possibility. And again,

827
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,320
unless something happened on Sunday afternoon or
Sunday night, which is I guess

828
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,239
possible. To my knowledge, there's
no deal done. They're just trying to

829
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,639
get it work through the process.
But there are multiple suitors involved, and

830
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:29,519
he's talked to varying various outlets.
So yes, they're back talking about doing

831
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:34,239
something with PBC on Amazon, whether
it's Mongia, I don't think Charlotte's back

832
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,519
in the picture. I you know, on a more distant basis, perhaps

833
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:42,039
Berlanga, but I doubt it because
that Erlanga put on social media that it's

834
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,360
cooking for him to be the guy. Nothing nothing definitive from anybody other than

835
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:51,199
Berlanga. But often the fighters are
the last I mean, I have to

836
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,280
be honest. I mean, I
can tell you that in my career there

837
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,199
have been a multiple of occasions rod
fighters that said they learned about their next

838
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,360
fight by reading something that I wrote. Very true. I mean, Oscar

839
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,280
Deloya found that or I mean Freddie
Roach found out that Oscar Deloya fired him

840
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,039
as a trainer because of talking to
me in a hotel in Texas. I

841
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,199
mean it shit happens, I understand. So these are all possibilities. So

842
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,559
you have his Oonne is still in
the mix. From what I am told,

843
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,320
it could be banger Langa, it
could be Mangia, it could be

844
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,159
back on Amazon against you know one
of those opponents. Uh it won't be

845
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,920
Benavidi's I don't believe in May.
And there is another party that's also been

846
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,679
in the conversation and you've been saying
that, and we got a role here

847
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,159
on this, but we're about eight
weeks away. You've got to make up

848
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:32,159
your mind on what you're doing and
there you're doing it coming up, so

849
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,440
they got time. It'll get done
in the next few days. I believe

850
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,280
it's certainly by the end of the
week. So there is Canelo, and

851
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:43,039
whether he's coming back to uh PBC
in Amazon or whether he's gonna end up

852
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,840
on his own or somewhere else remains
to be seen. All right, Quickly,

853
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,440
some news you mentioned Charlo Jamel Charlo
is now beltless because the WBA says

854
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,079
you're now the champion in recess.
He has none of the belts left correct

855
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:59,719
one p. Fifty four all right, and so uh fascinating. He did

856
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,440
fight Canelo and cashed in big for
the money, but now starts at zero

857
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,840
in the junior middleweight division. And
maybe he's not even gonna fight at junior

858
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,559
middlewaight anymore. What's the latest?
What else? Well, I don't think

859
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:12,079
he's gonna fight at junior middlewa anymore. I mean, he does have the

860
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,880
Ring magazine title, for what that's
worth. He is still the lineal champion,

861
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,920
so those are meaningful things. But
yes, the WBA followed suit from

862
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,440
what the WBC did and made him
the in recess champion. So I thought

863
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,519
to myself, he might be the
only fighter in the history of this cobble

864
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,679
league look alphabet stuff that's ever been
the unified champion in recess, which I

865
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,639
find to be a bizarre situation.
Good but again, I can't really blame

866
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,639
the organizations because I think, you
know, it could have just outright stripped

867
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,519
him. This was sort of like
the happy media. They don't have to,

868
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,199
you know, kick him to the
curb. But it's pretty obviously he's

869
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:45,239
probably not gonna fight in the weight
class. He's got the option to do

870
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,840
so if he wants to come back
to the weight class. So they call

871
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,320
him a champion in recess, and
so what that means is if he decides

872
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,360
he wants to fight in the division, he can do so and get the

873
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,119
next shot available at the person that
becomes, you know, that wins the

874
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:01,599
vacant title. But the reason why
they did this is because he hasn't fought,

875
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,480
you know, in his weight class
or defended those titles. You know,

876
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,440
it's been ever since the Brian Kastanio
rematch when he became the unified champion

877
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,639
of the undisputed champion, and they
took a long layoff. When he came

878
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,559
back, it was against Canelo in
September of last fall. That was at

879
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:21,000
one hundred and sixty eight pounds.
He hasn't committed to anybody about whether you're

880
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:22,679
going to go back and fight and
defend at one hundred and fifty four.

881
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,880
So you're take into account the layoff, then you take into account the fact

882
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,239
that his last fight was out of
the weight class. Then you take into

883
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000
account the fact that he hasn't given
an answer to any of the organization about

884
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,280
whether he plans to fight in the
weight class, and then on top of

885
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,159
that you throw in his legal problems
that are sidelining him at the moment,

886
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,079
and that obviously is going to hold
things up for quite a while. So

887
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:43,639
you know what go be in recess
when you decide what you want to do.

888
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:45,280
If you want to fight for the
title, let us know and you

889
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,119
can have the title shot right off
the bat. So in the meantime,

890
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,840
now it's how do they fill the
vacant title, and so they put together

891
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,400
this fight between Israel Majimov and Kurbanov. That fight had been added to the

892
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,360
Anthony Joshua and the gun Who undercart
in Saudi Arabia on Friday. You know,

893
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:04,039
Hercy Alaschk had put a big picture
up of the card with the faces

894
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:07,239
of the people that are on the
undercart. That fight was announced. The

895
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:12,039
guys have been training and everybody was
expecting it to become for the vacant WBA

896
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,599
title, which it is. Then
as I reported that the fight was going

897
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:20,199
to be off because Madromov had a
pre fight medical scan, that there was

898
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,280
some kind of issue with that.
The British Board of Boxing Control, which

899
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,000
is the people who are regulating the
fight in Saudi Arabia because they don't have

900
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:29,639
their own you know, athletic commission, boxing com mission, so the Brits

901
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,039
you know, usually take the reins
on that. They basically said, you

902
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:36,559
know what, you can't fight,
and now the fight was off. But

903
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,320
they're going through the process of second
opinion, rescan, double checking, so

904
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,760
it is conceivable the fight may be
back on. Obviously, the fight's on

905
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,440
Friday. There's not a lot of
time I would expect something to happen.

906
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Obviously sometime the next you know,
I can't believe it would go more than

907
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,320
the next forty eight hours. So
it remains up in the air. But

908
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,599
whatever, Charlot is no longer the
WBA fifty four champion. He doesn't have

909
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,400
any of the sanctioning body titles,
and they're looking to fill that belt with

910
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,400
this magromv versus kribononf fight, which
by the way, is a pretty good

911
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,079
fight on paper if they can get
it for the Saudi card later this week.

912
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,280
All right, quickly, a couple
more things than some nostalgia. Terrence

913
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,400
Crawford now a free agent. That
doesn't necessarily mean Rayfield was already prepping me

914
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,880
that doesn't necessarily mean that he's not
still going to fight under the Premiere Boxing

915
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,480
Champion's umbrella and maybe on pay per
view on Amazon, et cetera. But

916
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:27,280
he's checking out his options after winning
that undisputed fight with Earl Spence. Yeah,

917
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,280
as he should. I mean yeah, I mean I wrote a thing

918
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,000
about that in my substack newsletter Fight
Freaks two nights I'll go there and sign

919
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,719
it home. I wrote about that, and all of a sudden, I

920
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:40,719
have people like taking, like twisting
the words on social media, saying that

921
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:45,480
that you know, he that he's
divorced PBC, that he's he's leaving PBC.

922
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,159
No, he, I mean he
might, but the reality is he

923
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:52,280
might stay. Just because I'm a
free agent doesn't mean you don't re sign

924
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,840
or do a new deal. It's
just that he's no longer under an obligation

925
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,239
to his next fight. He only
had a one fight deal with p It

926
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,679
also contained an option from Errol Spence
if Erol Spence loss, which he did.

927
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,760
He exercised the rematch right when he
got defeated in their fight this past

928
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:14,239
summer. The contract specified that the
rematch should take place by the end of

929
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,880
twenty twenty three. But just because
the contract says something, and this is

930
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,320
or any contract, if the parties
agree to go under different terms, so

931
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,280
be it. So. They had
I'm told a handshake agreement between the parties

932
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:30,360
Spence, Crawford and PBC to you
know, forget about the deadline at the

933
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,800
end of the year. Let's put
it off into twenty twenty four. We'll

934
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,119
see what we can do. But
it got to a point where it was

935
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,079
clear that the rematch wasn't going to
happen. Incidentally, Crawford, as the

936
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,480
winner, had the right to select
the wait for the rematch, be it

937
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:45,599
one to fifty four or one forty
seven. He did, in fact,

938
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:49,800
from what I was told, picked
one fifty four. But the fight is

939
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,559
not happening for obvious reasons. You
know, you put that fight on the

940
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:57,039
business side of it is a disaster
because he got absolutely killed, slaughtered and

941
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,400
crushed in the first fight, you
know, Spence did. I don't think

942
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,920
there's an appetite for PBC to put
on a very very high level, expensive

943
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,440
sort of fight that you know is
going to die in terms of the gate

944
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,440
in the in the box office.
So you know it makes do it.

945
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,239
So at Crawford is now allowed to
go and fight wherever he wants, but

946
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,199
his best options, it seems on
paper anyway, would still be with PBC

947
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,320
because they have the opponents now.
He was in Puerto Rico at an event

948
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,719
over the weekend and he was asking
some questions and well, he didn't like

949
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,199
embrace it and say I'm definitely gonna
do this. Like he didn't close the

950
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:31,320
door when he was asked about fighting. Say, like Tim Zoo, if

951
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,480
he beats Sermon or Thurman, if
he beats Tim Zoo, certainly, if

952
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,639
Zoo beats Thurman on March thirtieth,
which is the PBC main event of their

953
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:40,480
first pay per view with Amazon,
that's a good fight. I mean,

954
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,039
there's nothing wrong with that. Is
it a mega fight? No, But

955
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,280
Crawford has got a huge name now
compared to what it was after the Arrow

956
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,760
Spence victory. Tim Zoo is now
the only guy with a belt in that

957
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,719
weight class because the other titles are
vacant. You know, he was elevated

958
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,639
from the interim when the Canelo Charlotte
fight started, So he's got to defend

959
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,880
his idle uh and that would be
a heck of a fight. He's undefeated,

960
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,880
he's in with a solid guy,
lot of subplots, got a whole

961
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,519
got a whole continent of Australia behind
Tim Zuo too well. Who knows,

962
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,320
but you know, the other belts
at the present time are vacant. IBS,

963
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,519
the WBA, WBC all vacant.
They'll be still be filled in due

964
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,840
time. So there's there's those options. Obviously, he would like to fight

965
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,119
Canelo. That seems a bridge too
far. Canelo hasn't really shown any interest

966
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:29,480
in that. You never know,
you know, maybe it could be down

967
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:31,719
the road. But you hope that
Crawford isn't gonna have some crazy long layoff.

968
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:35,639
He fought in July. He probably
is not back in the ring,

969
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,320
no question, until at least June, probably longer. He's gonna be looking

970
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,679
at a year long layoff, and
uh, you know, we want to

971
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,639
see the best fighters fight more often, particularly when you make good fights the

972
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:49,320
way Crawford does. So he'll figure
it out. I just hope that they

973
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,599
can get him a good opponent,
and if he chooses to go elsewhere,

974
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,079
maybe there's a fight for him,
you know, with Matchroom, Maybe he

975
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,000
goes back with top rank, Maybe
there's a fight in Saudi Arabia. You

976
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,400
know, any promoter out there would
want at least have a common station with

977
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,280
Terrence Crawford. I mean, it
depends on what his financial expectations are.

978
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,960
It depends on what kind of opponents
you have to offer them. But you

979
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,320
know, I think PBC, in
terms of least the opponent portion of things

980
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:13,679
is still the likely place to wind
up because they have the best opponents to

981
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:19,239
offer him. All good on the
news, some nostalgia on this busy podcast,

982
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,559
and then we are done. All
right. Two different anniversaries all within

983
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,639
one year. March first of two
thousand and eight, sixteen years ago,

984
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,320
back on Friday, Israel Vasquez in
the wild Fight to regain the WBC Junior

985
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:43,599
Featherway title beat Raphael Marquez and the
first fight the anniversary is as we are

986
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,559
taping this podcast, it happened back
in two thousand and seven on March third,

987
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:51,840
So they fought basically fifty two weeks
later in the rematch. So give

988
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,800
me the full lowdown. No,
you got that wrong load down on these

989
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,519
fights, Go ahead, DJ.
They thought the first fight and the third

990
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,119
fight fifty two weeks. The second
fight was in the middle because they fought

991
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,559
in March and they fought a rematch
in August, and then they fought the

992
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:09,880
third fight. Then wait a minute, we talk about rematches that can't happen

993
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,000
for three or four years. These
guys fought three times in fifty two weeks.

994
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,920
Go ahead, yeah, And the
fact of the matter is a lot

995
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,800
of times the big ones don't happen
so quickly because of the amount of money

996
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,559
involved. These guys didn't make that
kind of money, although they were well

997
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,360
paid, and they deserved every penny
of it and a lot more for what

998
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,280
they gave to, you know,
to the sport and to you know,

999
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,599
you know, Ezra Vaskez essentially lost
an eye because of this, this series

1000
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,280
of fights. But the first fight
that we talked about, that was the

1001
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,880
March's third fight two thousand and seven
at the Home Depot Center in Carson,

1002
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:43,280
which is the now called the Dignity
Health Park Spectacular Fight. This was a

1003
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,360
fight where you had Rafael Marquez,
who was the bantamweight champion, moving up

1004
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:51,880
to one hundred and twenty two pound
way class to challenge Vasquez for the title

1005
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,239
in that weight class, the WBC
title, And it was a sensational fight

1006
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,719
and it would have been the fight
of the year unquestionably, except for the

1007
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,679
fight that there was in a rematch
that took place in August wasn't even better

1008
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:04,000
fight, and that became the fight
of the year for two thousand and seven.

1009
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:09,400
So the two top candidates were Fight
one in Fight two. You know,

1010
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,039
obviously in the second fight was Vasquez
regaining the title. But the first

1011
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,239
fight that we're talking about was absolutely
sensational, and in the end it was

1012
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,840
it was Marquez getting the victory because
Vasquez retired on the stool after the seventh

1013
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,880
round because he couldn't breathe because his
nose was so badly broken. I don't

1014
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,239
think it was him quitting. It
was really the corner and the ref stop

1015
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,880
in the fight because of that situation. So he wins Marquez does, he

1016
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,039
wins the junior featherweight WBC title,
He wins the Ring Magazine title. It

1017
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:36,599
was a huge deal and everybody wanted
to see the rematch, and we got

1018
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:42,159
it a few months later, and
then you know, fifty two weeks later

1019
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:44,960
we got the third fight, and
so that anniversary was almost to the exact

1020
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,360
date. It was like March first
of two thousand and eight, so you

1021
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,000
know, three hundred and what sixty
three days apart. Correct, So the

1022
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:56,039
first fight's a fucking classic, the
second fight's even more of a fucking classic.

1023
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,760
Wins the Fight of the Year award
by everybody in twenty oh seven.

1024
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,440
Then they have the third fight,
and that's We talk all the time about

1025
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,119
trilogies where the first fight might be
this, or the second fight might be

1026
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:08,920
that third fight, but there's always
one kind of maybe not as good of

1027
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,519
a fight. This is all three
are outstanding out Technically, they had four

1028
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:15,559
fights, so it's a four fight
series, but we disavowed the fourth fight,

1029
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,280
right, We don't even need to
get into that one. That was

1030
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,719
just pathetic, That was just not
good. But the third fight spectacular,

1031
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,440
also in the same venue at the
home what was called the Home Depots uder

1032
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,400
of the time. It took the
second fight to Texas, but the third

1033
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,800
fight was even more spectacular than the
first and the second fight, and you

1034
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:39,039
had Vasquez winning, I mean,
yeah, Vasquez winning on a split decision,

1035
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,639
but it came down to the final
round. You know, it was

1036
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,559
anybody's fight. It was just an
absolute sensational fight. Vasquez had been down

1037
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,800
in the fourth round. Marquez had
had a point deducted for a low blow

1038
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:55,320
late in the fight. Marquez also
in the final seconds of the fight,

1039
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,360
he didn't get dropped like flat on
his ass, but the ref called a

1040
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,639
knockdown because the ropes said prevented him
from going down, And there was some

1041
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,679
controversy with that, uh. And
it turned out to be a super close

1042
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:09,519
fight because one judge had it one
fourteen to one to eleven one way,

1043
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,400
one had at the same score the
other way, and it was you know,

1044
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,119
Vasquez, you know, getting the
uh, getting the win because of

1045
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,199
that in the in the in the
other judge had it for him. Just

1046
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:24,719
I mean, look, we talked
a lot of times about Gaddy Ward,

1047
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,880
about Morales and Marera, about Riddick
bow and Evander Holyfield and some of these

1048
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,440
classic trilogies, certainly the four fights
between Marquez and Pakia. But these fights,

1049
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,280
these three out of the four anyway
between Marquees and Vasquez, two of

1050
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,440
which the anniversary are you know,
within these couple of days weekend right right

1051
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,079
right, are every bit as good
as those fights at the absolute highest level.

1052
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:48,880
They were on showtime, they were
main event fights. They were sensational.

1053
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,679
You don't get better. Rafael Marquez
has been elected to the Hall of

1054
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,079
Fame to join his brother Jan Danuel
Mark one, Daniel one Danuel Marquez.

1055
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,719
There's also in All of Fame now. His Hall of Fame legacy is not

1056
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,159
only built on what he did in
the two wins he had in their four

1057
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:10,519
fight series, but he also had
the benefit of a very dominating and excellent

1058
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:14,360
dantamweight title reign. Vasquez has been
on the ballot for a Hall of Fame

1059
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:17,000
hasn't gotten over the hump. To
me, he's borderlined. I mean,

1060
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:19,399
yes, these were great fights,
but it's not just great fights. I

1061
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,479
put you in All Fame. There
has to be some more level of accomplishment.

1062
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,920
So I've kind of been on the
fence with him. I could see

1063
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,840
him getting in this someday because he
was a credit to the sport in terms

1064
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,720
of always fighting, you know,
the great action fights. Does have some

1065
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,800
other solid victories besides just what he
did against Basquez. But look, if

1066
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,039
you never saw the fights, find
them. They're worth it. They're fucking

1067
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:45,039
great. I love them just as
good as it gets in that era,

1068
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:47,960
in any era. If you ask
me, all right, two more real

1069
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:51,920
quick twenty four years ago, Sunday, March third, two thousand, as

1070
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:58,199
we released the podcast, Felix Trinidad
wiped out David Reid, former US Olympian,

1071
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:02,720
and won the WBA Junior your Middleweight
title. And I love the Rayfield

1072
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:08,720
phrase of the rundown, his three
fight swath of destruction? Did you write

1073
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,600
that at some point about this about
Trinidad? Somehow? I think that might

1074
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,479
be in a Rayfield story somewhere.
I don't think I wrote that exact Terminigo

1075
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,680
for a lot of reasons. The
reason I know it so well is because

1076
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,640
I don't know. Like a year
or two ago, the Ring magazine did

1077
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:26,279
a special issue devoted towards Felix Trinidad, and I was asked to write the

1078
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,039
piece in the magazine by my pal
Doug Fisher, who's the editor in chief,

1079
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,479
and he and he did this because
I covered these fights and was very

1080
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:39,279
familiar with the material, which was
to write about. The section that I

1081
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,960
was writing about of his career was
write about his three fight run and the

1082
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,960
junior middleweight division, which was spectacular. Now, I didn't cover the David

1083
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,239
Reid fight. This was in the
period of time where I had been hired

1084
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:53,079
to be the boxing writer at USA
Today. But I had yet to relocate

1085
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,279
for the job and actually start the
job. So I actually watched the fight

1086
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,800
on Showtime pay per view on a
Friday night, you know, knowing I'm

1087
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,119
going to be the boxing writer at
USA Today. You know the fights on

1088
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,399
March third. My first day of
work at USA Today was like March eighteenth

1089
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:10,399
or nineteenth, so I knew I
was going there. So in that fight

1090
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,439
he moved up. This is his
first fight after defeating Oscar de Laya to

1091
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,319
unify at welterweight. Obviously that was
a very controversial decision. He went from

1092
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:21,079
HBO to Showtime with Don King for
this one bout and he fought David Reid

1093
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,600
outdoors at Caesar's Palace on a main
event of a pay per view. And

1094
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,279
in the first half of the fight, David Reid was doing very well.

1095
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:31,720
He was giving him a lot of
good competition. But Tito Trinidad came on

1096
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,560
very very strong, and not only
did he win ultimately, he absolutely punished

1097
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,880
and destroyed David Reid over the second
half of the fight. It's as one

1098
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,279
sided an ass kicking as you could
possibly get other than having a knockout,

1099
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,079
and really, in my opinion,
it destroyed what was left of David Reed's

1100
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:51,319
career. He was a young fighter. He always had the issue with the

1101
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:54,800
eyelid. He was never going to
be around for a very long time.

1102
01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:58,520
But this fight destroyed him. He
was never the same. Tito knocked him

1103
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,000
down in the third round, but
it was really in the seventh round that

1104
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:04,479
really started to do the serious damage. Put him down three more times in

1105
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,239
the eleventh round. I remember at
one point when he got knocked down,

1106
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:10,720
David, he got up and he
put his glove to his nose and he

1107
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,359
blew out the other nostril. It
was like fucking silly string flying across.

1108
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,079
I don't know if that was brain
matter or if it was bogers, or

1109
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:23,000
it was disgusting. That's how much
damage that Tito Trinidad inflicted on him.

1110
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:25,840
And in that fight he won the
WBA title, so made him a two

1111
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,560
division champion. And then you talk
about the swath of terror through the weight

1112
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,640
class. Now I'm on the boxing
me and I'm covering these fights. The

1113
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,760
second fight was the mandatory against Mama
du TM in Miami. He blew his

1114
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,239
eye up and stopped him in the
third round. And then came his final

1115
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,159
fight in the weight class, which
was the all time classic. I submit

1116
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,600
to you the greatest fight in the
history of the junior middleweight division. This

1117
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,600
was the unification fight between him and
the fellow undefeated Felix Trinidad against the fellow

1118
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:57,279
undefeated Fernando Vargas. A spectacular fight. My second ever fight in Las Vegas,

1119
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,359
and it doesn't get much better than
that. But David Reid fight was

1120
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:04,560
something special because whenever you thought about
Trinidad as a welterweight, he always looks

1121
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,600
scrawny and skinny, like he didn't
look like you know, like he looked

1122
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,399
weak, even though he had great
power. Now he puts on a few

1123
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,680
pounds and he really kept the power, you know, and he looked absolutely

1124
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,600
sensational. I think that as great
as he was as a welterweight, and

1125
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,119
he did have a little bit of
success as a middleweight, I wish we

1126
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:26,319
could have seen the prime Trinidad for
more than just three fights at fifty four,

1127
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,960
because I think he would have been
you know, he's already a first

1128
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,560
ballot Hall of Famer. You know, he got in several years ago.

1129
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,079
He was an all time great,
one of the greatest fighters in the history

1130
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:36,640
of Puerto Rico. Matter of fact, the fans that were at the Serrano

1131
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,319
fight, you know, with Jay
paulnerring, Tito was with them in the

1132
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:42,920
ring when they made the announcement that
the fight was canceled, and then he

1133
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,960
spoke to the crowd in Spanish.
He's as beloved a figured in Puerto Rico

1134
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,079
as there is in terms of athletics, just just a legend. And I

1135
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,880
saw the rough translation as he was
standing there. He was telling the crowd,

1136
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:57,239
she is Puerto Rico hero, she
is a great fighter, she will

1137
01:12:57,279 --> 01:12:59,960
be back. He was encouraging everybody
because it was ninety miles an hour,

1138
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:00,840
or in Spanish if you don't speak
Spanish, he didn't know what he was

1139
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,560
saying, That's essentially what he was
saying. But yeah, beloved, I

1140
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,680
just would have loved to see Trinidad
for a longer period of time that one

1141
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,199
fifty four, because we got a
glimpse of what he did, the way

1142
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:15,439
he just destroyed David Reid and then
Mamadu and then even though it was a

1143
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,560
more competitive, superb fight in the
end, it was also it turned out

1144
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,399
to be a destruction of Fernando Vargas, the way that he knocked him out

1145
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,279
and that run that. As I
said, the swath of destruction at one

1146
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,920
fifty four started with the David refight, which was a very very hyped up

1147
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,119
big fight. And as a matter
of fact, you want to maybe ask,

1148
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:36,760
well, why would they have this
big showtime pay per view on a

1149
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,000
Friday night when it was already the
era where it was basically every time it

1150
01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:44,000
was a Saturday night. And the
reason was because then the Vada State Athletic

1151
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:47,239
Commission already had a card that was
scheduled. I believe at the Mandalay Bay

1152
01:13:47,279 --> 01:13:51,600
that Top Rank was doing on pay
per view a Pauly Ayala titled Defense,

1153
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:56,279
and they didn't they declined to regulate
both fights on the same night. Now

1154
01:13:56,319 --> 01:13:59,800
they will do that sometimes, but
not if there're two big shows. I

1155
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,399
guess, right, right in any
event, they've done that occasionally because you've

1156
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,600
got to have your personnel for the
undercard fights and all the other stuff.

1157
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,079
I mean, they've done right,
right, they've done I mean they did,

1158
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:13,720
like Chavez against Sergio Martinez on the
same night that Canelo fought at the

1159
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,560
MGM, but for whatever reason,
they didn't they didn't do it on this

1160
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,000
night. So Don went on Friday
night with his card with Reed and Top

1161
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:24,800
Rank went on their car with their
card on Saturday. So imagine if Twitter

1162
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,279
was around then, how it would
have broken when every he was bitching and

1163
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,439
moaning because there was two pay reviews
on two nights, both for like,

1164
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,279
you know, fifty bucks a pop. All right, you did mention sweet

1165
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:36,000
Pee Whittaker and before we're gone,
give me a little bit. It was

1166
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:40,800
twenty nine years ago on Monday,
as we released the podcast March fourth of

1167
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,640
ninety five, Parnel Whittaker moved up
as the reigning welterweight champion. HA beat

1168
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Julio Caesar Vasquez for the WBA one
hundred and fifty four pound title, that

1169
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:55,119
same title that Trinidad would win years
later. How about that for Sweet Pea

1170
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,239
Whittaker Hall of famer, no doubt, and including that night, right,

1171
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,520
yeah, so I mean the late
great Parnel Whittaker. At that time,

1172
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,680
this is nineteen ninety five, he
is considered widely as the pound for pound

1173
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,000
king, and they can't find opponents
to fight him, to give him competition.

1174
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:12,960
It's very much like the problems that
Roy Jones had, the problems that

1175
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,840
Floyd Mayweather has had. You know, there's always this particular fighter where the

1176
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,239
only way you can find them competition
is to force them up and wait.

1177
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:25,079
And so even though Trinidad was not
planning to go and stay in the one

1178
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,359
hundred and fifty four pound weight class, he took this fight. Now keep

1179
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,760
in mind this is when he established
himself as the king, because this is

1180
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,279
three fights post Chavez draw, which
we all know is bullshit. So he

1181
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:39,640
was really in the throes of his
absolute peak. He'd beaten Buddy McGirt,

1182
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:42,840
the Hall of Famer, in the
previous fight, and so the only way

1183
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,359
they can sort of find something that's
interesting to the promoters, to HBO,

1184
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,560
to feel to Parnel Whitaker, was
to go up to one hundred and fifty

1185
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,119
four pounds, and he took on
the very credible WBA champion Julio sazar Vasquez,

1186
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,600
who was a very good fighter,
was fifty three and one going into

1187
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,920
this fight, tough as now south
Ball from Argentina, you know, really

1188
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:08,560
good fighter, and Keito Trinidad just
annihilated him on points. Basically. I

1189
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,359
mean the cards were one card was
like one sixteen to one ten, but

1190
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:14,560
the other ones were very very wide, one eighteen or whatever. This was

1191
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,520
a clear and decisive victory. But
Parnel never intended to go to fifty four

1192
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,119
to stay. It was just like, let me go and let me make

1193
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:25,039
a little history he became at that
time. You know, now it happens

1194
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:28,680
a little more often because there's more
belts with the WBO and whatever. But

1195
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,479
at that time, in ninety five, he becomes only the fourth boxer in

1196
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,000
history to win a world title in
four weight classes. He had been a

1197
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:41,000
champion, the undisputed champion at a
lightweight where he unified at the time the

1198
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:43,680
three belts. He had moved up
and been the champion at one hundred and

1199
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,800
forty. He had won the welterweight
title, obviously, and now here he

1200
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,279
goes to win a title in the
one hundred and fifty four pound weight class.

1201
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:53,960
And this was just one of the
brilliant, brilliant nights of boxing in

1202
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,359
the great Parnel Whitaker love it,
Sweet Pee a Hall of Famer for so

1203
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:00,600
many reasons. One a show we've
had here on the recap. You've gotten

1204
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,680
a ton about the dramatic win by
Raymond Ford, all the controversy in Puerto

1205
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,399
Rico with Amanda Serrano, not being
able to fight. You heard from Francis

1206
01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:12,479
and Ghanu before the Anthony joshuall fight, some news and some nostalgia. I

1207
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,239
think we pretty well covered it all. Listen, you know when you said

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all that stuff like we are bringing
it, we are, and why are

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you not listening to this show?
You've got to be following, subscribing,

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share it out again. Thousands and
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and every week. Tens of thousands
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Spread the word, give us a
five star review. Make sure you're following,

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subscribing, and Raphael, it is
already Joshua and Ghanu fight week.

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That main event is here Friday night
in Saudi Arabia Friday afternoon in the United

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States. So we're ready for that
fight week, and you did a great

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job of priming us for it within
Ghanu on the pod. Anything else or

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are we looking at that? So
people just know this ahead of time that

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they're listening that pay per view.
I was looking on the schedule that de

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Zone has listed for the start time, and I don't know, I think

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they're showing the whole card, but
the the you know, so the main

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event obviously will come several hours later
the card starts the pay per view whichever

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bouts they're going to show. Like
I said, I think all of them

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starts at like I think it's eleven
o'clock Eastern time in the morning AM,

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because because Saudi Arabia read is eight
hours ahead of prostern the United States time.

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So do the math. And it's
funny that I just said about do

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the math because when I was dealing
with the folks at Queensberry Promotions setting up

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the interview with Francis Naganu, because
they're the folks that are obviously the promoter

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of record for the event, so
I was dealing with their media team to

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set this up. We were going
back and forth on the text, like,

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well, what time is it there? What time is it here?

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I'm in the you know, the
east cost east coast United States times,

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oh year, eight hours ahead,
and we're trying to they're trying to give

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it to me a military time,
which I was trying to translate. It

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was a fuckings the year the Europeans
all want to do GMT military time with

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the you know, the twenty four
hour clock. I know that, and

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so I'm just like just tell me
what time, Yes, what time is

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the interview in Saudi Arabia, your
time, and use it in like you

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know, seven eight nine ten,
not like sixteen seventeen eighteen, right,

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and you got it done. That's
the important thing. But again, brunch

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with Rayfield coming up on Friday,
late morning US time. The card starts.

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Main event will be much later in
the afternoon, but it's Friday afternoon

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US time, Friday night prime time
in Europe for that pay per view,

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including Saudi Arabia for knock Out Chaos. I don't know. I don't know

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about the name of the about the
show. I mean, I like the

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fact that they give these shows names. But I have to say, though,

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you know, we obviously are going
to spend a lot of time talking

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about the main event, you know, between Joshua and the Gun, which

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is obviously we talked about a super
interesting fight, but the whole part is

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really interesting. I mean, whether
the Madramov fight takes place, and I'll

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put that to the side. Jeans
julais against Joseph Parker as the co feature

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heavyweight fight. That's sort of lost
in this thing. That's a very interesting

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fight. To a lesser degree,
obviously it's not on that level. But

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Ray Vargas defending his title against nick
Ball, that's a very interesting fight.

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You know Ray Vargas. By the
way, I'll just point this out.

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I know there has been a lot
of conversation that Ray Vargas had left PBC.

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The reality is he's still with them
and said they just were able to

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make a deal to have him defend
the title on this show because obviously they

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don't have a ton of dates right
now when he needed to be active,

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and this is a fight where nick
Ball did win the eliminator, so they're

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doing the fight. But the point
is the top four to five fights in

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this card are all interesting for different
reasons. I'm excited to see Justin Hooney,

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the Australian heavyweight that's on the card
against Kevin Lorena and some other younger

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guys. They got Tyson Furry's half
brothers on the card. Who's you know,

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a four round fighter at the moment
trying to make his way in the

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cruiserweight division. So I'm all pumped
up for it. Good stuff, good

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stuff off the weekend with the recap, mister Rayfield, have a good week.

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We appreciate it as always thank you
so much. You bet there's big

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