1 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,200 What Up? What Up? What Up? Everybody? Welcome to another episode 2 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,840 of Let's Ask Paul, the podcast where you can ask me Paul Abernathy anything 3 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,079 you want about the National Electrical Code. And on today's episode, we have 4 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,320 a question that we're going to respond to, and of course then I'm going 5 00:00:46,359 --> 00:00:49,759 to tell you about some upcoming things that are going to be taking place here 6 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:54,679 for the summer new course that's coming out, and then we'll maybe ended up 7 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:58,640 with another technical question. Again. Remember, all you gotta do is go 8 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:03,680 to Paul Abernathy dot com and submit your questions through that portal. All right, 9 00:01:03,879 --> 00:01:08,480 So today's question. First question is it says I have a customer who 10 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:17,280 flips houses and has no concept of fixture install on certain exterior surfaces. He 11 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:25,840 purchased a very large exterior fixture that are not damp locations specifically, okay, 12 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:32,439 So I guess it's not listed for damp directions to indicate using silicon okay, 13 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,040 to be installed on some stone siding or veneers. The problem is they won't 14 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:45,439 sit flush because the stone is uneven. I don't think it's I don't think 15 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:49,480 it's panels. It's like different shaped stones, and I don't know how to 16 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:56,359 install it without scribing it out. Then probably the people who buy the house 17 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,920 are going to just tear it down and then they're stuck with a scribed large 18 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:10,719 pattern suggestions around what the code for exterior fixtures that have gaping holes two uneven 19 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:15,960 surfaces? Well, I need a gallon of silicon to make it damp location 20 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:23,479 rated. Thanks, okay, So ironically you're from Silicon Vallet go figure so 21 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:30,159 it Hey, that was my that's true statement. That's a true statement. 22 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:34,240 That's what it says. Okay. So first of all, it sounds like 23 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,199 you bought they bought a luminaiir that was not listed. Okay, So the 24 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,280 first thing it has to be listed for the environment to which it's going to 25 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,919 be installed. The first part of that, I guess is we always look 26 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,439 at four to ten, which is going to deal with luminaires. That's luminaires, 27 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:54,599 lampolders and luminaiirs, lampolders and lamps, and four ten dot six requires 28 00:02:54,599 --> 00:03:00,000 that all luminaires and lampolders and retrofit kits shall be listed. So that's the 29 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:05,000 first thing, and then the next thing it course talks about the location four 30 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,879 ten dot ten a deals with wet and damp locations. It says luminaires installed 31 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,520 in damp or wet locations shall be installed such that water cannot enter or accumulate 32 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,639 in the wiring compartment, lamp holders, or other electrical parts. So that's 33 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,400 the first part of it. So, I mean, obviously it's got to 34 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,879 be listed for the environment wet or damp, and then once it's done, 35 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,520 it still doesn't preclude you from having to put something around it. Typically we 36 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,159 silicon or calk around it and leave the bottom open. Some moisture can get 37 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,439 out, but that's a little different. That's just saying that you have to 38 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:40,840 do it so that water cannot enter, right, So if you're putting it 39 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:45,000 up and there's big gaps around it, like you're stating, obviously water can 40 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,520 get in it. Now obviously if the luminaire is rated for that environment. 41 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,759 That's the first part. Second part, it's just telling you that, Okay, 42 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,560 even though it would be a wet or damp location, if you install 43 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,599 that lumina air, you just have to do it so it doesn't accumulate water 44 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,759 in the way compartment, which is going to be the space behind the luminair. 45 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Itself, right, So that's the first step and you're on board with 46 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,120 that. You want to use silicone, but different reason, well, I 47 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,080 guess the same reason. It's uneven surfaced. So you got all these gaps 48 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,439 and all which, just be honest with you, it's going to look quite 49 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:18,920 nasty with all that silicone. But there you go, all right. So 50 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:27,079 then next it says all luminaire is installed in wet locations shall be marked as 51 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:31,519 suitable for wet locations. All luminaires installed in damp locations shall be marked as 52 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:38,120 suitable for wet locations or suitable for damp locations. Okay, so wet being 53 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:43,000 more restrictive than the damp. So obviously, if it's a wet rated located 54 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,319 fixture or you know, luminair, then you could put this in a damp 55 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,800 location or a wet location. If it's a damp location only then you can 56 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:53,319 only use it in a damp location. You couldn't use it in a wet 57 00:04:53,360 --> 00:05:00,560 location. No amount of silicone or sealant is going to change the listing of 58 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,399 illuminaire. So if the luminaire is not rated for a damp or wet location, 59 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:10,639 yeah, loading it with silicone around the edges and whatever is not going 60 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,720 to change the listing of that lumina air. Right So, if somebody your 61 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:18,240 customer supplying the luminare and they bought it and it's not rated for the environment 62 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,519 to which it's going to be installed, the answer is not to just cake 63 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,199 silicon or calk around it. Right now, as far as that surface, 64 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:32,839 uh, you know, uh, there has been people that you know, 65 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:39,360 can come up with they you know, like a backer or something that goes 66 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:41,360 up. I know they have it, and you know when you're doing it. 67 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:45,879 For example, they have the these square you know, the flat surfaces 68 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,800 for when you're doing sighting and all that kind of stuff that the lumina air 69 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:55,079 will sit nice onto it. Obviously they don't have that for an uneven rough 70 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,600 surface for this stone. Like that sounds like it's you're dealing with stone. 71 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,120 So to be honest with you, I don't I don't have any recommendation that 72 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,600 I can give you for that. There are probably some guys out there who 73 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,000 have. I mean, I think in my mind as a guy that works 74 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,480 with you know that makes stuff, I'm thinking, okay, well you could 75 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,759 build a wooden treated frame, uh and then kind of draw it inscribe, 76 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,759 you know those little things they have that can give you the contour of the 77 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:26,759 rock. And I guess you could. You could actually jig jig saw it 78 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,360 out so that it sits flush and then you have this flush surface. But 79 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,720 you know, obviously you'd have to make all these sides. You would have 80 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:39,399 to you know, you with a jig or scroll saw or whatever, you're 81 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:43,199 gonna have to cut it out to the contour of the rock right in order 82 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,600 for it to sit decent. And even if it's not as decent, it's 83 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:48,959 little gaps. You could calk around that and it, you know, kind 84 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:53,639 of get some caulk that kind of blends in with the the rock color or 85 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:58,439 whatnot, and then you know that might that might work for you. Other 86 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,399 than that, I am I'm sorry, I don't I'm not aware. I'm 87 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,879 not as in touch today with the different things. For that, I'm sure 88 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:10,800 there's somebody out there listening. Feel free to post in the comments of a 89 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:15,560 recommendation for this gentleman and how you would so its issue is not so much 90 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,399 we answer the question about the luminair. So the luminair if it's not wet 91 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,600 or damp, located, then it's not going to go in this environment depending 92 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:25,399 on the rating of this environment. Again, go to article one hundred to 93 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:28,439 look at what's a damp and what's a dry and what's a wet location. 94 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Okay, and it gives you a couple examples. But if it's subject to 95 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,360 beating rain saturation, then it's a wet location. If it's a damp location. 96 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:40,199 Either way, you can use a wet location lumina air or a damp 97 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:43,079 location lumina air, but you can't use a damp in a wet makes sense. 98 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,720 So an example of a damp might be under an open porch where it's 99 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,399 not going to be subject to driving rain, right, that type of thing. 100 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:54,399 But as far as the NEEC is concerned, it is considered a damp 101 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:58,959 location. So that's kind of, you know, one of the things that 102 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,160 they have to take in to account. So that's about the best I can 103 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:09,519 hear you and be able to give for you. So some examples of other 104 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:13,680 damp locations would be, as it says in the code, some basements maybe 105 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,319 considered damp. I don't necessarily always agree with that depends on the basement. 106 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:24,279 Obviously, roofed open porches and car ports typically referred to as damp just because 107 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,120 of what could happen in it. Now, some people could argue that it 108 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:33,679 is a dry location. Again, you're going to have to fight that argument. 109 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:35,480 That's not as black and white in the code. You have to read 110 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,679 the definitions of damp, dry, and wet, and then work with your 111 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,799 HJ. Again, as much as I always say, the HJ is not 112 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,440 the end to be all, you still have to work with them and maybe 113 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,120 they'll see you meet in the meeting of the minds and you can work it 114 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:54,120 out that type of thing. But that's kind of what I'm kind of steering 115 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:58,960 you too. As far as the esthetics of it and being able to put 116 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,240 it on the wall so it doesn't look all crooked and nasty. You're probably 117 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,679 gonna have to come up with some type of bass plate. And again whether 118 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:13,000 you can describe the contours or the brick around let's say a wood or whatever 119 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:18,279 or something or something like that. It's hollow in the back but has sides 120 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,200 on it so that you don't have to worry about it sitting on the rough 121 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,840 surface, but you do have to worry about the edges. Then there are 122 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,039 things that you can help you scribe the edges around it so that you kind 123 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:31,720 of get a contour, and then you could apply it to the sides and 124 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,200 then you could jig it out so that it kind of sits flush. I 125 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,320 guess you could do that. It's a little more work, and that's very 126 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,039 hard to describe in a podcast, but hopefully you get the idea, you'll 127 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:48,080 get creative, you'll come up with it. So so anyway, that's that. 128 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:58,159 I guess Another way you could do is you could put some ceiling putty 129 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,799 around the perimeter of let's say a think of a picture frame that's hollowing the 130 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,159 back and has sides on it, but it's we're talking about a block in 131 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,279 a piece of wood, and then you can put around the edges. You 132 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:16,039 could put some type of foam material, right that's going to give based on 133 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 the contours, and it kind of compresses, and so when you put that 134 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:24,759 up there, it'll push against and kind of compress around it where it needs 135 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,600 to be, and that kind of builds a cushion and that'll fill the voids. 136 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,879 So you could get some like weather stripping and put around the outside edges 137 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,559 or something like that, but you're basically building a backer that the luminair can 138 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:43,360 mount to that type of thing. So that's just my thoughts around trying to 139 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,799 fill those gaps. But as far as the LUMINAI obviously it's got to be 140 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,519 ready for the environment. Okay, all right, enough of that one. 141 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,080 Let's see what else we have. All right. The next question that we 142 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,759 have was submitted in Let's see here. It says, Hi Paul, longtime 143 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,720 snur and follower. Here, we met at a conference once and I attended 144 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,200 some of your courses. I have a question on the twenty twenty three New 145 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:13,480 Code section two thirty dot eighty five B three. So it's not new to 146 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:18,039 twenty twenty three, it was new to twenty twenty. It says, looking 147 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:26,799 for some clarification on suitable as and suitable only equipment. Okay, so I 148 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,799 guess the first thing we got to go is look at the code, and 149 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:37,039 it has been kind of restructured a little bit in the twenty twenty three edition 150 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,519 of the National Electrical Code. So it's now broken down into you know, 151 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:45,519 a obviously code section dot eighty five, and now it's broken into subdivisions. 152 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,919 There's an A, A B, A C and a D and an E 153 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,039 so it's kind of just expanding it, trying to make it a little easier 154 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,240 to apply. And you obviously we're talking about the emergency disconnect for one and 155 00:11:56,279 --> 00:12:01,000 two family dwellings, and so if you have your code and you're in the 156 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,120 twenty twenty three because again I'm always going to use the latest edition of the 157 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,440 NEEC unless you state otherwise, and of course they did state twenty twenty three, 158 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,320 so hopefully you crack that open and it says for one in two family 159 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:18,399 dwellings and emergency disconnecting means shall be installed. So it's a shall be. 160 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,720 It's a mandatory statement, y'all know that from the code, So that you 161 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,919 are in a one and two family you are going to be putting in this 162 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,480 emergency disconnect right so again remember that only applies to one and two family dwelling 163 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,919 units. Right now, it's go down and it's not really talking about location, 164 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,080 it's really talking about the disconnecting means, and of course B three is 165 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,679 talking about other listed disconnecting switches or circubrators. So I guess it's important that 166 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:48,639 we kind of talk about the three disconnecting means options here that you can have 167 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,679 in order to be able to round this out and make it easier to understand. 168 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,039 So the first one, each disconnect shall be one of the following. 169 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,120 You can either be a service disconnect. So this is an example where to 170 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,279 say it's an overhead coming to a building, comes to the weatherhead, coming 171 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,360 down the riser, go into the meter and coming out of the meter, 172 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,600 and it hits a NIEM A three R panel. Let's say, so the 173 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:15,639 panel is an exterior mounted panel, it's the service and the main service breaker 174 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,879 is the actual service disconnect as well. So that's serving as the service disconnect 175 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,080 and it's also serving as the emergency disconnect, so it's it's doing double duty 176 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:31,080 and that is perfectly okay. Another way you could do this exactly the same 177 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,279 way as you could come out of that meter and you could hit a service 178 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,039 enclosure with a main breaker in it, say two hundred and ALP, and 179 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,200 then right next to it is your panel, right and it could be a 180 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,200 main lug only, but it's right next to the service disconnect. Okay. 181 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:50,840 So the next one we'll be looking at is the what's called the it's B 182 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,080 two and it's the meter disconnect. Now it's integral to the meter mounting equipment, 183 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,840 and it has to be not marked as suitable only for use as service 184 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:05,360 equipment installed in accordance with TO eighty two. Okay, so this is two 185 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:09,159 thirty eighty two talks about what can be on the supply side of an actual 186 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,559 service disconnect. So obviously it's very clear that this option is not a service 187 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,440 disconnect, and there are labeling requirements that you have to follow as well down 188 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:24,240 an E of this specific section. So just be aware this is not a 189 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,320 service it's a meter disconnect, but it can serve as the emergency disconnect, 190 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,480 so important. The only other caveat, and it kind of ties into what 191 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,360 we're talking about here, is that you noticed it it says that it's not 192 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,279 marked as suitable only for users service equipment. Why because it's being used in 193 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,480 an application that is not service equipment. Okay, So other than the dynamics 194 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,240 of the language, it's telling you, look, you're actually using this in 195 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,879 an application that is on the supply side of the service disconnect. So you 196 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,279 have to make sure that this enclosure, this equipment has been evaluated for use 197 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,039 other than just for service applications, because that's what it's being used for. 198 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,320 So it could be other testing, other dynamics that are involved by the listing, 199 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:16,120 things like that that are covered by the manufacturers, so they are making 200 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:22,519 sure. So now that doesn't mean that it could have some way of actually 201 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,320 being used as service equipment, depending on whether there's a main bonding jumper installed 202 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,480 or what have you. But here it just can't be marked as suitable only 203 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,159 for use as service equipment because in our case with this meter discann it's not 204 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,320 being used as such. Of course, there's labeling requirements that have to be 205 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,080 applied to also, so don't forget that. And it's more notably telling everybody 206 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,440 that is not service equipment. And then the one that's being asked is B 207 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:56,639 three. Now B three is talking about other listed disconnect switches or circuit breakers. 208 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,519 So obviously you know that they make enclosures with a knife switch, which 209 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:06,120 is purely just a disconnect. They make enclosures that have a breaker in them 210 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,679 that may or may not have an overcurrent rating on it. It may be 211 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:15,840 simply just a just a disconnect and that's all it's being used for that type 212 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,120 of thing. And so that is an option for you to do either one 213 00:16:19,159 --> 00:16:26,159 of those, And it says to be able to use these listed disconnecting means. 214 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,519 Whether it's a switch or circuit breaker, it says that it's marked suitable 215 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,879 that is marked suitable for use as service equipment, so you could use it 216 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,720 as service equipment, has the capability, it has the evaluation, it's been 217 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:44,159 tested to be used as service equipment, but you're not using it as a 218 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,080 service equipment. So it says, but it's not marked as suitable only for 219 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,960 use as service equipment installed on the supply side of each service disconnect. So 220 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,000 the significance here is that it's been through additional evaluations. Let's say to say, 221 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,000 you know what, it's not only for use in the service application, 222 00:17:03,359 --> 00:17:08,880 and you're obviously using it in an application that is not a service so you're 223 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,880 still using it. You're interacting with service conductors and all this kind of stuff, 224 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,519 but it is not service equipment. But you know only, so it 225 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,039 may be suitable for use a service equipment, but it is not only for 226 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:29,279 use in service equipment. Now what's the difference really? So you know, 227 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,039 if you think about it, when a disconnecting switch or circuit breaker is marked 228 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,480 as suitable only for use with service equipment, it really means that advice is 229 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,680 specifically designed and certified to a particular role in the electrical system right, typically 230 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:48,160 related to service entrance and main disconnecting means. So, what are some of 231 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,079 the reasons for that. You may have something that's said suitable only for use 232 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,920 with service equipment. Why would you have that, Well, it could be 233 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,079 the certification of the equipment, the design and equipment. The device has been 234 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,960 engineered and tested to meet specific stringent requirements that apply specifically only to service equipment, 235 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,319 and that piece of equipment has been evaluated for such. So that could 236 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:17,400 be where something is specifically said that it's only for use for service equipment, 237 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,160 then it's intended purpose is for service equipment only. Typically that's probably going to 238 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,440 have you know, a main bonding jumper in it, and it's designed as 239 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,519 such, and it's configured and such to make that convenient. But that's how 240 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,720 it's been evaluated. Okay, So if there's an application that says that you 241 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:38,119 have a piece of equipment that says it's suitable only for use of service equipment, 242 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:44,200 then then it may not have been evaluated for other usages. And for 243 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,039 example, in our case on the supply side, where the available fault currents 244 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,119 can be extremely high because it's on the supply side and the only really protectional 245 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,960 THEPT stream is overload protection. So there could be different evaluations that take place. 246 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,559 And I am not a a manufacturer expert when it comes to service equipment 247 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,000 and enclosures and things like that. There's other individuals that would be better to 248 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,359 answer that. I'm a code guy. So when I see this and it 249 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,079 says suitable for use as service equipment, I'm like, Okay, I could 250 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,000 use it as service equipment in that application if I want it, which typically 251 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,160 is going to have a service disconnect there. Right, you're going to have 252 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,039 that short circuit ground fault and overload protection on the load side of the service 253 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,119 disconnect. You're going to have that overload protection on the supply side of that 254 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,279 disconnect. I get it. That equipment has been evaluated. And then there's 255 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,559 this equipment that I know that's going to be used other than service, even 256 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:44,279 though it could be it has the capability to basically have a main bonding jumper 257 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,920 or make the proper ground to grounded conductor connection. I get it. But 258 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,359 I'm on the supply side, So there's other evaluations that the manufacturers may take 259 00:19:53,359 --> 00:20:00,960 into consideration for that application, and so important to just not dig too deep 260 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,400 into the weeds and look at it and say, well, there might be 261 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:10,680 design criteria. There might be for example, service equipment or often have different 262 00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:17,400 characteristics that maybe handle higher fault currents, a certain type of connection requirements, 263 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:25,079 things like that. There might be other enhanced safety features, maybe some insulating 264 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,759 component that is more relevant to something that is suitable only for use of service 265 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,680 equipment, and some that are not right. So again I'm not going to 266 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,720 get into the details. I am not an expert at that. Sorry, 267 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,960 but that's I'm just telling you. Code and code says that if it says 268 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,920 suitable only for use of service equipment, that's the only use it can have. 269 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:51,119 Keep it simple. If it says that it has to be marked suitable 270 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,920 for use, that's fine. That doesn't mean that's the only use that it 271 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,480 can be used as. But if something does say suitable only for use, 272 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:00,680 that that's it. So that could not be used on the supply side, 273 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,319 That equipment could not be adapted to be used on the supply side. However, 274 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,640 something was suitable for use of service equipment but not stating that it's only 275 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,440 for use. Then they have an application on the supply side of the service 276 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,039 disconnect. And we're seeing a lot of applications today where things are getting installed 277 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:26,920 on the supply side, with the energy management systems, the storage systems, 278 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,240 the pvs, and there's a lot of stuff that's going to be potentially on 279 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,240 the supply side. So you have all those things in two thirty eighty two 280 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:38,640 that's allowed to be on the supply side. But again, pay close attention 281 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,000 to the markings and that's the best answer I can give you on that. 282 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:45,400 Don't dig too deep into the weeds. And I am not Professor Proton, 283 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:52,000 and I can't go I don't do the research from the manufacturers on the difference. 284 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,599 I'm sure you can google it or contact somebody from Eating Cutler Hammer. 285 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,400 They probably give you much more detailed I'm not that guy. I just tell 286 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,400 you what the code says and what you can't do. So hopefully I've made 287 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,200 that part of it clear. All right, let's move on to another one, 288 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,480 but another Lumina air question that Darlene has sent me. I says, 289 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,519 Hello, Paul, I hope all as well. Is someone electric contractor or 290 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:22,519 homeowner allowed to build a luminair using wiring methods from the NEC. I feel 291 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:27,319 this is not acceptable as we would not comply with four to ten dot six. 292 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,519 Thanks for the information, okay, I agree with that one hundred percent. 293 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,920 There are a lot of people that manufacture things I guess on their own 294 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:41,559 and they put them up all the time. It's their home. I guess 295 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:44,599 they could do whatever they want to do. But at the end of the 296 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:51,599 day, the listing requirement that it's on manufacturer that produces illuminair. It says 297 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,079 all LUMINAIIR lampholders and retro kits shall be listed. Again, not being able 298 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:03,400 to control what harry homeowner does and whether or not they get inspections or not 299 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:11,920 or whatever they do that type of thing. But you know, to be 300 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,160 honest with you, using all you know, using all different parts and kind 301 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,319 of Frankensteining it together to make a lumina air. I see them all the 302 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,400 time in flea markets and and things like that that they don't have a listing. 303 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,000 There's a difference between something like somebody making a lamp that simply has an 304 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:36,119 attachment plug and it plugs in. That's that that is a lamp type of 305 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:42,960 scenario. Versus a luminair that, uh, you're going to actually install on 306 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:49,480 the building wiring system permanently, that type of thing. Uh. So now 307 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,720 there are other people. I just I went to a house that's in in 308 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:59,640 Oklahoma that has a luminair that is so grand. It's about ten feet u 309 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,799 It is really amazing. It was amazing to see. I can only imagine 310 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,599 how much it weighed. So that was built in a factory built it and 311 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,160 then you know, it was made of different components, individual components, but 312 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,000 ultimately they got a third party listing on it, so it was listed, 313 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,720 but it was made of different you wiring method components, and it was quite 314 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,160 grand, and it had this really neat facade on it that you really couldn't 315 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,799 tell what was beneath it, which was pretty you know, just wiring methods, 316 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,000 I mean, pretty obvious, but you couldn't see the inner parts the 317 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:38,799 neat facade on the outside. So that was built, but that was done 318 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:45,039 by a manufacturing company that obviously used listed components and then had it third party 319 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:49,920 listed. I think that all lumin airs that you're going to install on some 320 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,039 in somebody's dwelling to me have to meet the four to ten dot six, 321 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,359 and they would have to be listed. And if I was the inspector, 322 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,240 and obviously it sounds like you are, and you're going and do in an 323 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:06,720 inspection and somebody's making a luminair that's going to be permanent. If I don't 324 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,359 see any listing or any mark on it, then I'm probably not going to 325 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,799 accept it. Now, again, what they do after I leave is up 326 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,799 to them. If they put up, you know, a lampholder or whatever, 327 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,200 and it's in an area where it's okay, then I'm gonna pass it, 328 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,799 and then I'm gonna move on. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lose 329 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,720 sleep on what people do while I'm when I'm not there, even though you 330 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,720 know it's the honor system when it comes to that. But at the end 331 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:32,799 of the day, I would agree that luminaires need to be listed. And 332 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,759 you couldn't just hodgepodge something together and throwing up on the permanent building wire. 333 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,200 There's a chance it won't have the right amount of insulation, if that has 334 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:45,440 any for the heat between the box and the canopy, or if there is 335 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:52,119 one. There's reasons we have listings in evaluations. So now somebody making a 336 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,319 lamp that plugs into an attachment plug or has an attachment plug that plugs into 337 00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:02,920 a receptacle. You know, I I ANYC doesn't really govern that type of 338 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,359 thing. So we're talking about things that get wired directly to the building wiring 339 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,960 system. Okay, there is that element of protection when you plug, you 340 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,680 know, when you're plugging something in like a lamp into a receptacle, and 341 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,279 of course you have the overcurrent protected device. Now you still have the overcurrent 342 00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,640 protection if you're hardwiring it. But again, there's so much element between the 343 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,119 actual hardwiring and the wiring that's been used for this Frankenstein developed luminair that you 344 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:37,519 know, whether there's no insulation separation for heat and there's no safety protocols in 345 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,319 place, then I would probably steer away from that. And yes, as 346 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,240 an inspector, I would I would reject that and make them show some type 347 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,359 of listing. Right, that's just my opinion. You can agree to disagree. 348 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,880 But I'm also ultra safety conservative and I don't want anybody creating their own 349 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,599 luminaires, especially when four to ten dot six says that they have to be 350 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,319 listed. Then I'm going to say for me and for you you as an 351 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,000 inspector. The easiest thing is require the listing and move on. All right, 352 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,000 so let's see here another question. This should be a quick one. 353 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:12,160 This question says, hey, big fan out of southern California, wondering if 354 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,079 you offer a programs so I can get certified JW for California. Thank you, 355 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480 keep up the good work and don't listen to the haters. Thank you. 356 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,359 You know we don't make this is This is a common misconception and it's 357 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,720 our fault. It's my fault. I've done this for years. When we 358 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,880 say something in the exam prep it seems like and I get it. We 359 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,039 put it out there as exam prep, so you know, obviously we're targeting 360 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,200 the exam prep and people learning the NEEC to take an exam. But our 361 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,640 fast Tracks program is not just for exam prep. And it sounds like you're 362 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,559 in an exam prep mood. But none of our courses offer certification. We're 363 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,079 not into that. Ours are voluntary and it's to teach you the NEC to 364 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,279 be a one a better electrician, but two, if you're passing, go 365 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,519 for an exam. Our course will help you prepare. But we have an 366 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,920 awful lot of students that are in our fast Tracks programs that are just there 367 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,160 to enhance their knowledge of the code, and that's it. So I would 368 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,000 say any of our fast tracks programs would help you. California happens to be 369 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,599 testing now on the twenty twenty edition of the NEEC as of today in June 370 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,440 of twenty twenty four, So I mean I would steer towards the twenty twenty 371 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,240 fast Tracks Enhanced is your best option because you also get access to videos and 372 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:40,480 so at the end of the day, it gives you more for your value, 373 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,079 more bang for your buck, and it doesn't expire, so you can 374 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,759 log in as often as you want whenever you want twenty four to seven and 375 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,960 learn, learn and learn, and we will teach you what you need to 376 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,759 know about the National Electrical Code. But that's all we do. We don't 377 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,160 do anything else. I don't do fire alarm, I don't do osha, 378 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,200 I don't do any of that business law. Even though we have some partners 379 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,720 on our website that do. You can get them through our website. I 380 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,480 don't deal with that. I'm just an NEC guy. That's it, okay, 381 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,839 So go check out our website, but I appreciate you following and listen 382 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,440 to all of our podcasts. Okay, the next question we have that was 383 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,160 submitted, says HJ, job plans or the code. If an installation was 384 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:26,240 not per drawing but done per the NEC requirements, can an HJ ask to 385 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,599 follow specifications and the drawings. Okay, great question. Now, as a 386 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,359 former engineer too for the city of Richmond, Virginia most of you know that, 387 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:38,440 and as the code supervisor for the City of Alexandria, Virginia, and 388 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:45,680 dealing with inspections for many years in the intricacies of submission and plan review and 389 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,519 approvals and working with engineers, and so you have to remember, so, 390 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,440 assuming a project is something that's going to be engineer designed, the engineer spends 391 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,680 the time to design this system. You hope that in that design they're looking 392 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,519 at all of the things that are important, conductor sizing, overcurrent protection, 393 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,200 all the big stuff, leaving the little stuff like receptacle placement and whatnot to 394 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,880 the actual installer unless it's like an apartment complex where it's very specific on where 395 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,680 they want these devices, and I get it. Other than that, that's 396 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,920 the NEEC. So that's the one big difference. So if they designed something, 397 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 but then the drawing allows you to freedom as electrician to space things out 398 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,640 based on the NEEC, then you should be okay, you follow the UNEC. 399 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,440 It sounds like in this case, the engineer designed it and said what 400 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920 they wanted done. They put receptacles, they put things where they wanted it, 401 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:45,880 and maybe they over engineered the grounding electrode system for some reason, you 402 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,480 know, multiple electrodes, and did everything wild that they didn't need to do. 403 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,559 And maybe the electrician said, I don't need to do that crap. 404 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,799 I'm just putting two ground rods in and we're gonna let her fly. That's 405 00:30:55,839 --> 00:31:00,000 an example, but the engineer said otherwise. So here's where you get into 406 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,400 the issue with the inspector. The inspector is there to ensure that if there 407 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,000 are drawings and they've been approved and assumed they went through some type of plan 408 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,359 review to get approved, and if not, the engineers still stamping them based 409 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,640 on their state license and approval. So the inspector comes out there to look 410 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,359 at it. They need to make sure not only that is code compliant, 411 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,400 but the inspector also has to look and make sure that it's being done in 412 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,240 accordance with the approved drawings. So there are occasions where the code is a 413 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,119 minimum standard. But the engineer, when they work with the owner of the 414 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,519 building or whoever owns it, and they come up with a price and they 415 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:44,880 agree to a design, then they may go above and beyond code, which 416 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,759 they're able to do. But the electrician says, this is a minimum, 417 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,240 this is all I'm going to do. Who's at fault here, Well, 418 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,960 the electrician would be at fault because the engineer designed it a specific way. 419 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,680 That's who's in charge of the design. Ultimately, if something goes wrong with 420 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,799 the design, they're the ones that are going to be held accountable. The 421 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,799 inspector is just there to make sure one that it's code compliant at a minimum, 422 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:13,160 and two that if they go above the code, they're not making it 423 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,839 a hazard because going above sometimes when it comes to grinding and bonding, you 424 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,680 can go too far and it creates a hazard. Again, Okay, so 425 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,079 that's all the inspector's looking for. So in your case, if they found 426 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:31,960 something that the electrician did as a minimum, but the engineer wanted something beyond 427 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,160 that, then the inspector has every right to reject that, and everybody says, 428 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,359 well, wait a minute. The code is what's adopted to the state. 429 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,799 It's inn a minimum. Yeah, but this is an engineer design. 430 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,599 This is done by engineering professionals. So we're going to assume, and I 431 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,400 hate to do that, we're going to assume that this installation was designed. 432 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,079 And so the inspector is there to not only look at the blueprints the drawings 433 00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:01,559 to make sure that it was done properly and are looking for the safety aspect 434 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:05,680 of it. So it's meeting the minimum safety standards, so the engineer may 435 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,880 be going above and beyond. You also have to remember that if there is 436 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,079 a plan review. In most states have some type of plan review. If 437 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:17,839 there's drawings are required that they're submitted and they look at it and they approve 438 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,680 it. That's how they're expecting the project. That's how the municipal is expecting 439 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,599 the project to be installed. Now, if there's something that the electrician wants 440 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,799 to do different than what's on the drawings, and they just need to communicate 441 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,599 together, they need to contact the engineer and say hey, look, we 442 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,000 want to deviate, and the engineer can give you permission to do that, 443 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,039 and you can get it in writing and then you can present that to the 444 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,960 inspector as a deviation from something that may be on the original drawings. But 445 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,680 you got to work together. You're going to have to have some communication. 446 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,640 When I was in the city of Richmond, more importantly, that one's the 447 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,759 one where I had to put my hands in everything, whether it's designed, 448 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,240 whether it's helping the engineers, whether it was doing inspections, or whether it 449 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,640 was the whole gamut. I was on the phone all the time with engineers, 450 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:13,039 designers, inspectors, contractors. You kind of kind of played liaison between 451 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,079 all of them. And at the end of the day, the designers, 452 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:21,239 the designer, and the electrician needs to follow the design. Okay. So 453 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,559 that's my opinion on that. You can disagree. But again, at the 454 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,599 end of the day, what would it be like for me as an owner 455 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400 if I paid an engineer to design it. They're the professional, they have 456 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,840 the certifications, they had the professional credential, they designed it for me. 457 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,360 You're just the electrician that follows the design. Okay. And I use a 458 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,760 great analogy if the Titanic, even though it did sink, by the way, 459 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,440 but if the engineers designed it one way, but the workers decided to 460 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,519 do it differently because they felt that it didn't need to be that engineered, 461 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,679 and then it sunk because of that, they're going to be held responsible. 462 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,039 Okay, but in that case it was a damn iceberg. But you get 463 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,119 my point. So you're the electrician, install it per the drawings, and 464 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,480 if there's something that conflicts that you think could be done differently, maybe the 465 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:13,920 engineer didn't see it that way. Pick up the phone and give them a 466 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,760 call if you want to do something there, but just don't go rogue. 467 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,480 And if the inspector catches it, I'm certainly they're going to reject it. 468 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,800 Okay, that's my opinion on it. You can agree to disagree, but 469 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,480 that's what I'm going to give you my opinion on it. Okay. Hopefully 470 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,199 that helps all right, folks, That's all we've got for the day is 471 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,119 let's ask Paul. Hopefully you get something out of this. Kind of covered 472 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:37,360 a bunch of topics today. 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