1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,240 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:01:02,039 peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal keep Show with some very special 3 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:06,120 interesting information we hope, which has just been breaking the last kind of week 4 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:10,280 and a bit, and we've brought in our special friend ben Emlyn Jones. 5 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,200 But first i'd introduce Andy Chaplin. Welcome back to the Paranormal peep Show. 6 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,599 Andy. Hello, Neil, how are you doing. We're fine? You 7 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,879 getting on right in the sun. Is it too hot for you or you've 8 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:23,239 been calling down or it's too warm for me. I'm more of a temperate 9 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:26,879 or a cool person rather than a warm Loads of people love warm weather. 10 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,079 Like a little bit warm. It's okay, but it's getting muggy and oppressive. 11 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,560 Now I need a thunderstorm, so that's what I'm after. Yeah, 12 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:36,719 they've been talked about thunderstorms tonight. Actually it has rained a bit today, 13 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,879 so maybe that might happen. I kind of fit it in the air as 14 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,040 it were. Yeah, but things are hotting up in other areas, so 15 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,879 that's why we brought in our special guests for the Seedion. That's ben Emlyn 16 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Jones. Welcome back, Ben, Hello, Hello Andy, Hello Neil, 17 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,959 thanks for invioting me back. And I mean it's yeah, in all modesty, 18 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,840 you've chosen the perfect person for this kind of subject. I must say, 19 00:01:56,439 --> 00:02:01,599 it's Yeah's So, these are really amazing times and it's um a very 20 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:06,799 very exciting and situation has emerged. It's happened very suddenly. Who was not 21 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,000 really expected at that point. It was just obviously this is this sort of 22 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,680 thing has been expected now for a few months since the the Gilla Brand Amendment 23 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,560 came into force. This is the twenty twenty two National Defense Authorization Act, 24 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:25,719 which once that came into law, which was which it did, I believe 25 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:30,719 on Boxing Day, there was always a there was always a possibility that something 26 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,159 like this would happen because what that amendment does is it's essentially it could function 27 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:44,240 as essentially a truth and reconciliation a piece of legislation when it when it comes 28 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,400 to things such as UFOs. What she's basically saying is anyone involved in UFO 29 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:54,360 projects who took security oaths would know and would no longer be obliged to to 30 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,879 keep these things confidential, keep whatever was in their nondisclosure Roumann dential, so 31 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:04,199 long as they revealed it properly. In other words, they could reveal it 32 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,439 to Congress. Doesn't mean they could just go and tell all their mates, 33 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,000 but it did mean that they could testify before Congress, which has happened now 34 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,280 and so so to clarify, then we got this story of this this guy 35 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:21,759 called David Grash. Is that his name Grush? Yes day Rathols Grush or 36 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Grass? And he is part of or was part of the American Air Force. 37 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,719 I don't I don't know if he was air Force. He was at 38 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,039 the US Air Force for a while, but hell then he actually moved more 39 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,879 recently to the National g Space Intelligence Agency and the National Constance Office excuse me, 40 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,120 and he yeah. For twenty nineteen, he was actually involved with the 41 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Unidentified Area Phenomenal Task Force, the infamous UAPTF for ARROW as it is now 42 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,960 called, and he was actually involved in he was actually involved in the report, 43 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,759 the famous twenty twenty two UAPTF report. He was actually involved in creating 44 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:01,439 lads. So what happened once he left government service in April of this year 45 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,240 became an estate agent? How long he did so, he contacted the journalist 46 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:11,280 Ross Coultart and Australian journalist who specializes in UFOs, and said, you know, 47 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,719 I've got things I want to talk to you about. I don't I 48 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 don't have any documented proof of this, and I can't give you documented proof 49 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,120 because I've put in in a formal I put in a formal complaint with the 50 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,680 inspector with the parliament Defense Inspector General. I've got a lawyer who's a former 51 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,040 Inspector General. But I've got I want to make a complaint about the kind 52 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:32,800 of material I've had to deal with and the secrecy behind it, which I 53 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,720 think is unlawful. It's unconstitutional. Um, So I want to talk to 54 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,759 you about even though I can't prove it. And so Coultart did a big 55 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,560 interview with him, which is going to which is there's been a few clips 56 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,879 to published, but this is going to go live at the time we're recording 57 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,399 Sunday evening. It's going to go live apparently in the early hours or tomorrow 58 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:56,480 morning. It's a classic classic, isn't it really? Because the everything to 59 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,319 have nine to eleven and Iraq and Afghanistan was cloak behind this this wall of 60 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,199 secrecy. Oh, it's national security can't talk about it, Oh, national 61 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,920 security can't talk about it. So anything they don't want to talk about they 62 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,319 just throw up national security, which could mean anything. Really, it's such 63 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,120 a broad you know, dragnet spectrum, and it's a perfect way of shutting 64 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,439 it down. But Ben, do you do you think there's something slightly I 65 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:26,279 don't know about the word sinister, but slightly fishy about Suddenly all the news 66 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,680 outlets are saying, well, actually, yes, aliens do exist, and 67 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:33,240 there are people seeing aliens everywhere, and now the government whistle blowers are saying, 68 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,759 oh, actually yeah, we have got crashed down alien aircraft. All 69 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,839 at the same time, it's just a little bit, a little bit project 70 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:44,600 blue beamished for me. Well, this has been going on now, it's 71 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,959 just twenty seventeen, since the summer twenty seventeen when Leslie Cane and Ralph bloomanhor 72 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,120 published their famous New York Times article. And since then you'l right, the 73 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,879 the it's as if a this is not obviously disclosure didn't happened on that day. 74 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,680 But APOLL, which was over for seventy five years. It was actually 75 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,079 seventy five years and five months a policy came to an end, and we 76 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:11,120 can time it very precisely because we can date it to the sending of the 77 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,240 cut the Twining Memo in July of nineteen forty seven, in which General Admiral 78 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:20,519 Roscoe Hillen Cutter, the first head of the CIA, actually stated that UFO 79 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,199 should be treated in the media with official ridicule and denial. And that's indeed 80 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,959 what we got for all that time, and then suddenly it changes. For 81 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,279 whatever reason it changes and why it changes. The important thing. Is it 82 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:38,160 because there is some kind of division within within the establishment and someone that actually 83 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,439 want disclosure or is it some kind of psychological operation leading to some kind of 84 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,040 fake disclosure which which would just drag us deeper and deeper into whatever kind of 85 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:53,920 future regime the establishment has planned. That's a that's the very very important question 86 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,879 to ask. Yeah, and this could be of this could be a part 87 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,720 of the latter I hope not, but it could be an somebody got beyond 88 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,399 our guard against Richard Dolan said something interested in because he was kind of reading 89 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:09,399 out this report as it came in as he was actually at a UFO conference, 90 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,279 and news and broke whilst he was on the third day of a UFO 91 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,600 conference. That's the place to be, isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, 92 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,439 that was literally hot off the press. And so he said, why is 93 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,480 this story of downed craft being released now, you know? And he said, 94 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:26,079 well, it could mean that there's someone somewhere that thinks there's some money 95 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,160 to be made out of it. Now that's not to say on a commercial 96 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:33,560 value for entertainment purposes, like let's make movies and videos and interviews and magazines, 97 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:39,079 but actually from the technology he was speaking about, like you could could 98 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,199 we re engineer the craft and someone in the aviation industry that events industries make 99 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:46,639 some money out of it in some way. But then again, if you 100 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,360 think back to it, or we've had stories of downed craft going around for 101 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:54,199 years, you know, different authors have alluded to it in various books over 102 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,920 the years, of course, as the Roswell story from nineteen forty seven, 103 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,519 which was always He's the big one the people referred to as a down craft, 104 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:09,319 and supposedly Corso in his book The Day After Roswell talked about how he 105 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,800 was involved Lieutenant Carso, how he was involved in the farming out of this 106 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:22,040 Roswell technology, the crash DUFO technology out to the industry. He didn't necessarily 107 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,680 say what it was. I think it was a foreign intelligence division sort of 108 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,000 saying this is captured foreign technology. That's what they were told. And you 109 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,560 can do with it what you can make, as much man as you want 110 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,919 from it, he was told, or that he said to them, but 111 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,240 basically, give us the results back. We want everything you've found, and 112 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,240 we need to sort of see what you've done, because obviously they're not going 113 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:46,360 to hand out this technology. It's only private company and expect nothing can return. 114 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,759 They want their experts and their research to come back with what they could 115 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,000 do with it as well. Yeah, that's just this is basically indeed, 116 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,240 you're right, Lots and lots of people have been talking about it for a 117 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,360 very very long time and writing about it and swearing is true. What's amazing 118 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:11,159 about gracious testimony is it's completely unequivocal. It's one dimensional, it's simple, 119 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:15,000 and it's blunt. And he then he he doesn't own an r at all 120 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,519 about it, he says them and Colt I'd asked him, what have you 121 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,080 actually gathered and he said, extratrasical spacecraft and the corpses of non human pilots. 122 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,320 He actually said that in every single word he said in just eclips I've 123 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:35,399 seen so far, these highlights have been a confirmation of everything conspiratorial uthologists have 124 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:39,080 been saying for decades, and we've been laughed at, and now suddenly this 125 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,440 guy comes along and he's just he's not sort of like shrugging his shoulder. 126 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,120 He's very different to ailet his Ondo, who said, well, yes, 127 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,639 but I can't say too much about it. I can't really confirmed deny that. 128 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,759 You know, he's he's saying, oh no, this is what it 129 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:58,399 is. He's it's um, it's a strangely, it's it's it's it's a 130 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:03,720 strangely a big print style statement, and that, to me, it makes 131 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:07,879 me wonder all again, there's only two what could it be. It could 132 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,639 be a stage he could be he could be a herald of some real declassification 133 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,600 big dedisclosure. Or it could be some kind of psychoch It could be several 134 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,960 things. It could be he's completely lost his mind and he has decided to 135 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,799 commit professional and social suicide. That's another possibility, although he's doing it in 136 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:33,879 a very elaborate way, you know, star hiring solicitors going through the two 137 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,600 dops of the Department Defense, what's it calls trashurst pe publication review and things 138 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,279 like that. Because he he's been described as a whistleblower. That's actually inaccurate. 139 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,840 He's not a whistleblower. He is cooperating fully with the authorities through which 140 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,720 he previously worked and they have given their approval of what he's saying. This 141 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:58,000 doesn't mean they say what he's saying is true. They're just they're just stating 142 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,799 that what he says does not breach any that's he does not breach anything. 143 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,960 He doesn't breach any anything classified. And the skeptics of interpreted this in a 144 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,080 very simplistic and ungenerous way, saying, well, the regional he doesn't breach 145 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,879 anything. It is because all these things don't exist anyway. So they're just 146 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,279 gonna let him. They're just gonna rub a stamp his folly or that's one 147 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,159 way lucky that Or it could be that this is, like I said, 148 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,679 a herald to a declassification on their part, see what it means. Could 149 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:28,360 it could be that instead? So yeah, I mean, I bobblars are 150 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,879 comes to mind from the early nineties or the late eighties, when he was 151 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,279 coming out as a supposedly a guy that worked on back engineering flying sources in 152 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,639 S four part of the dreamland kind of what do they call it? That 153 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:52,919 area area one type of thing. I mean, do you think that lends 154 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,960 credence to what bobblers are spoken about all those years back? Well, I 155 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:00,559 mean Gruci is the first person since Bobblers Are first came out in nineteen eighty 156 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:05,840 nine to speak to to speak about this sort of thing so explicitly. You 157 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,519 know, he's he has he presumably has had to sign the same secrecos as 158 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,720 lu Alsondo. Yeah, lu Alsondo is very very cautious. Whenever he says 159 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,919 anything about anything, he treads very carefully, whereas Rushed does not. Now 160 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,440 Galizondo nose grush and in fact he he congratulated him when he first came out 161 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,320 when he did his first interview. There's an interview came out in the debrief 162 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,639 as well, which is like it's deals with military and technology and things like 163 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,600 that. It's an online magazine. Um, we still knows. What's happening 164 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:43,559 now is we're waiting for the big, big interview tomorrow, waiting for this 165 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,480 to hit the headlines. It's see it has been covered by all the major 166 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,559 mainstream media outlets, but Olier sort of page ten and twelve stories. So 167 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,159 at some point probably there's going to be a daily Star headline. You know, 168 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,159 well, he's just not the typical one, which, yeah, what's 169 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,440 that magazine choir? Yeah you said you said you were talking out of uranus 170 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,000 and things like that. You know, yeah, it'd be somewhat a headline 171 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,360 like that. But at some point some it's going to hit the headlines. 172 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,039 And there's what's happening now is there's already moved a foot to start and congressional 173 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,000 hearings like the ones we've just had that they're going to be very, very 174 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:22,080 different because I really can't see how they can have the kind of hearings they've 175 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,120 had up till now with just Jilli, Brandon Kirkpatrick's sitting around the table. 176 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,240 It's good, there's going to be have to be people, have to be 177 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,679 swell, sworn in. It's going to have to structure, and I can't 178 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,879 imagine they can have a public hearing without Grush himself testifying. Hmm. I 179 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,200 think he's gonna he wants to testify, which means that he's We're not going 180 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,960 to get any guys dressed up in alien seats again like we did in the 181 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,519 night. Oh like, well, we're in Arizona. Yeah, yeah, 182 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,200 yeah, that's fine. It's interesting you brought that up, actually because five 183 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:54,639 Symington, he was the governor of Arizona at the time. He submitted. 184 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,279 Now he lied. He said that I was lying because they didn't want to 185 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,759 start a panic. But it wasn't just for airs. Something really big flew 186 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,720 over the city that day. I saw it, but I couldn't I couldn't 187 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,399 tell people that because I thought they'd be rioting in the streets, people fleeing 188 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 the city, things like that. And he asked, confessed. The question 189 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,919 is like he's probably there's many others who have done something similar are not confessed. 190 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,879 M So the fact is that he's got our record and says the US 191 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:28,840 and other countries is not just the US have recovered extraterrestrial alien technology craft downcraft. 192 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,759 Why are we all suddenly sitting up and taking notice of him? Now? 193 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,279 I mean, when we've got these stories circulating in UFO books for years, 194 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,440 We've had Stephen Greer movies with Witness Testament is talking about the very same 195 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:46,639 thing. Why is everybody sitting up and taking notice. Now it's it could 196 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,279 be to the nature of the man himself, his background, the fact that 197 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,320 he was involved within the establishment, including the UAPTF, and also the fact 198 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:00,720 that he is speaking in such an explicit tone. I mean, he's you 199 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,240 see, he he's will see far more attention actually than Luellasondo, probably because 200 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,360 of the nature of what he's talking about. And no doubt there's going to 201 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:11,919 be massive body language and the analysis and statement that's just done on Henry and 202 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,879 Richard D. Hall is polishing his magic wand right now you know Peter m 203 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,360 So, but there's there's there's probably gonna be a lot of that. He's 204 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,200 already the skeptics have already to hit back, as they've they've hit back in 205 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,240 quite a halfhearted way, and they have they've just they've there's about five different 206 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,440 points they keep repeating and they haven't and they've been all been they've all been 207 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,600 discredited by people including me, and now they've sort of gone quite Mick West 208 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:39,399 has kind of like gone a bit quiet. Now he's heated an interview with 209 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:45,480 News Nation. So Stanton Freedman is around today. They're late Stanton Freedman, 210 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:46,879 what do you think he would be saying, because they'd be rushing to him 211 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,879 to interview him, wouldn't they. Oh I missed that guy so much, 212 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:54,120 um and I wish I wish he had survived to to to see this. 213 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,399 Ever, be basically saying pretty much, what is on my T shirt? 214 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Actually, we can show you my T shirt. Sure, I'm wearing a 215 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 very appropriate T shirt this evening, and just get a picture of my own 216 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:08,759 camera. It has a little flying saucer that ac Yeah has the words told 217 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:15,679 you so? I thought where that deliberately because the thing is ben that that 218 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,879 could apply to so many things. Well, it's got the flying saucer. 219 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,679 Yeah, we could have applied on other things in the jib jabs and also 220 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,000 it could yeah exactly. I mean it just changed the image at the top 221 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,840 and it covered everything. Yeah exactly. I think there are T shirts like 222 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,600 that as well. Yeah, so yees standon would be Stan would be he'd 223 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,600 be over the moon, he'd be really enthralled, he'd be probably he probably 224 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,039 would be interviewed by a lot of people. I know. The people who 225 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,080 are involved in X politics now are those who have commented to the media. 226 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:51,039 Have they've been basically saying and this is kind of like what we would be 227 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,559 we'd be telling you this was going to happen. It has happened. This 228 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,600 is a products. It's probably a very very good sign. At the chiller 229 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,639 Brandon Mondment is doing his job. And the next stage I think is the 230 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:06,920 hearings. It's um more investigation, more interviews, and slowly but surely this 231 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:12,000 this secret what an ideal solution would be for within the next couple of months. 232 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,319 This in all the information that the government has been keeped secret about UFOs 233 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,279 to come out. That's an ideal solution. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. 234 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,039 It got to be cautious that this will either something will happen to scuff 235 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,519 but this I don't know, but there's probably I know for a fact, 236 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:33,000 there's some kind of conflict going on within the establishment because the White House has 237 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,279 said absolutely nothing. Now this hand before, do you remember object Gate? 238 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Do we do a show about that? About the shootdowns of various things? 239 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:42,880 Right, Oh, this is the balloons. You're following the balloons. Well, 240 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,160 there there was a balloon shot down. About the balloons, yeah, 241 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,000 yeah, there was one balloon shot down. Then there were four other objects. 242 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,480 They refused to call them anything other than objects that were downed over the 243 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:59,160 US and Canada. Now, basically, the Department of Defense was doing lots 244 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,680 and lots of press conces where they were talking about this. The White House 245 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:08,240 said absolutely nothing. The White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre made a joke 246 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:12,400 about how she liked the film et and that was it. Then the following 247 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,039 of Thursday was actually a whole week later. See had President Biden finally sort 248 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:19,079 of hobbled out on the stage and that a few things and then hobbled back 249 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:25,319 to say Spider said absolutely nothing. M Jean Pierre herself was actually asked this 250 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,039 question at a press conference. Um, someone said, you know, if 251 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:32,240 we're not could you would you tell us? Are you going to tell us 252 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,119 alleging the US military has been retrieving car after non human origin for several days? 253 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:44,079 Now what What what she said was, I think you should refer that 254 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,039 question to the Department of Defense and lend them answer it. And then that 255 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,440 was the end of the subject. There will say no coming in that theater 256 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,680 that they were. But the thing is like, it's weird that it's weird 257 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,720 that there also Susan Gough of She actually said that there was no evidence to 258 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,799 all, et cetera, that this has been going on. Basically, this 259 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:06,000 indicates that the White House, that is the US federal executive it's not really 260 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:08,960 involved in this. Yeah, they're coming out with a very different message to 261 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,440 the DoD and that's the Pentagon and the military establishment, and they've they come 262 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,559 up with a very very different message, and it's a very brief and really 263 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:23,359 non meaningless message. I said, President Biden hasn't said a word. She 264 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,880 said just she told the report to go and ask the DD don't ask me. 265 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,240 I'm only I'm only the press secretary for the guy who runs the country. 266 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:36,359 Yeah, indicating that he This indicates I think that there's the commander in 267 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,319 chief. I think the commander in chief of the military. And while he 268 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,359 doesn't you know, I'm sure he's not the one making the decisions. She's 269 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,279 the figurehead when he can stand on his feet. Ye. They whoever's whoever's 270 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,839 running the White House right now, has nothing to do with this. They're 271 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,559 not involved in this, and they probably have. This has all come out 272 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:56,279 without their authorization. Well, this is all the I mean, these things 273 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:03,240 are being kept under wraps. So it said for decades through different administrations, 274 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:10,960 and it's like only some of those administrations appear to be read into what's going 275 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:14,839 on. Maybe Reagan was given a brief at the time. There has been 276 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,960 a book I think about what what presidents are told or what they know. 277 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:25,440 Jimmy Carter allegedly cited a UFO Reagan a cited one. Did not Reagan say 278 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,000 when when he watched ET he said, if only the world knew how real 279 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,319 this was or something? Yeah, that's what Steven Spielberg alleged to happen. 280 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,079 When they had a special screen of EAT at the White House. He overheard 281 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Reagan either say to him or someone that there's only so many people in this 282 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:45,880 room that know the real truth of going on. It's just remarkable exactly how 283 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,680 how united up till now, up until now, basically up until the last 284 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,759 couple of years, that the political classes of the world have been behind this 285 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,200 topic. As you say, it doesn't matter which party happens to be in 286 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:03,279 power at the time in the United States. It also doesn't matter which country 287 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,759 you're in. Because Grush actually said, you know, our allies are also 288 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:14,960 involved in this. Our allies have a materials recovery program, and presumably adversary 289 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,680 adversarial countries like China and Rush also do. In fact, I know for 290 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:21,680 a fact, Russia does. Russia has a Russia ever since the Soviet era 291 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:26,920 has been had a very very productive um you know, harvest of this kind 292 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:33,559 of thing and so. And the thing is this, this this policy has 293 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,119 has not actually been there's not actually no one's deviated from this policy ever until 294 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,079 basically the December twenty seventeen, for example, in Brazil, when there was 295 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,720 a UFO crash retribute in nineteen ninety six in Brazil, and the Brazilian authorities 296 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,119 immediately capitulated to the US administration. The US sent a plane over that landed 297 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,000 at an airport without authorization. The air traffic controllers really was really angry about 298 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,480 it, and they said, no, no, just laid in land and 299 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,680 it says dangerous. We could have planes taken off on that runway. It's 300 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:04,519 not just then to come down. The Americans just waited it. This was 301 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,000 an invasion of Brazil, essentially, they said, you know, they went 302 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:12,519 straight to the military base where this material had been taken, like debris and 303 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,559 a couple of bodies, and they just whisked it off to the United States. 304 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:19,599 It's very humiliating for the Brazilians. Actually, they were very upset about 305 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,680 that this pattern is repeated around the world. It's something else happened in South 306 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,119 Africa that was very similar, and there's many many others it's happened in this 307 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:33,480 country. And this goes back a long way. For example, the funny 308 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,519 thing is Alizondo alluded to this, but in a very you see, Grush 309 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,599 did an interview with the French newspaper. He talked about something that was actually 310 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,960 written about on The Blackfold had a guest article by Roberto Ponotty called the Fascist 311 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:52,200 UFO Files. It's a very dramatic title and it refers to an incidant in 312 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:56,039 Magenta in nineteen to thirty three in Magenta, Italy where an object three objects 313 00:22:56,039 --> 00:23:03,319 actually came down a cigar shaped object in two sources, and these were basically 314 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,839 was there was a Roswell style incident. This was more than fifteen years before 315 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:15,000 Roswell in another country. And in nineteen forty five, when the Mussolini regime 316 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:19,720 fell in Italy, the Americans basically stole it and took it to the United 317 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:26,599 States. And this is what Grush talks about it's clearly quite something. Talking 318 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,039 about the Second World War. There's also a quote I think from Winston Churchill 319 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,640 about these alleged food fighters. And we're not talking about the music band here. 320 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,799 They were named after this, but the food fighters were these strange objects 321 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,319 that pilots claimed to see whizzing about in the skies as they were battling the 322 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,440 Germans and the Japanese in the Second World War. And Winston Churchill back, 323 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,160 we've got to think back then, like UFOs weren't really a thing, Aliens 324 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,359 weren't really things. They didn't really know what they were. I suppose he 325 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,519 had war the world slightly earlier, but it was it was kind of not 326 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,559 really in the public consciousness as much as they are now. And Winston Churchill 327 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,839 said it was, i think from memory, a high priority to find out 328 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,079 what these food fighters were, and then it just got buried and nobody ever 329 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,799 talked about it again. Yeah, he had a special project run by the 330 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:19,319 RAAF from nineteen forty two and he said that this was the priority was so 331 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,079 high. He said that this must not be released to the public. And 332 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,960 you know he was afraid of He said he was afraid that if the people, 333 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,559 the general public, there will be there will be nationwide panic if this 334 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,440 got out. And this was at a time, Sorry Andy, but this 335 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,559 this was a time when we had bombs dropping on our head. Yeah, 336 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,759 we had rationing, we did. We didn't know Hitlok could be landing it 337 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,000 over any day. Now we had our fathers, our sons, our brothers 338 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,160 going off to foreign fields to die, people dying in their homes. Yet 339 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,160 and the British people, we you know, we cope with that with enormous 340 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,440 stoicism and bravery. Yet Churchill was afraid we would panic if we knew about 341 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:02,640 about alien About this, I think one of the things that he was also 342 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:07,480 worried about religion being upset as well. This was held actually by the book 343 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:12,519 He's Institute many years later in nineteen fifty nine, that somehow the churches wouldn't 344 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:18,079 survive if they if we knew we were not the only intelligent being in the 345 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,400 universe. This is I doubt that. Actually, I think the churches will 346 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,319 be absolutely fine. They coat with Darwin in his impact, they can cope 347 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:29,759 with anything. And there's also this theory of when was the radio show for 348 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,319 War of the World nineteen thirty eight, and there's this theory that it was 349 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:38,960 actually a test run to see how the public would react to a reel. 350 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,119 They knew it was obviously a real alien invasion and people were going out with 351 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,000 rifles, shooting at water towers and things like that. So do you think 352 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,319 that probably had an impact on Churchill's summation that people would panic? And it 353 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,279 may not have been created for that purpose, but you bet all the psychological 354 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,319 warfare operators at that time we're watching were interested in people's reaction. I mean 355 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,960 Austin Wells, the director, ends up in court over the matter. Yeah, 356 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,440 actually he had to go to court to charge. I can't remember what 357 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,160 it was all about, but he was charged. Was something serious. So 358 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,400 as a result, and you can bet that the people's responses to that, 359 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,519 which, as you said, was there was a lot of nation wide panic. 360 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,640 People were getting into their cars and driving out of the cities. They 361 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,440 were they were raiding shops, There were all kinds of things were going on 362 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,079 when they heard this radio show, which was a piece of docu drama. 363 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,400 It was a fiction, and you can bet people that probably people thought, 364 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,799 right, if we ever say anything real like this is going on, it 365 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:34,720 doesn't have to be an invasion. It could just be you know, as 366 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:40,400 the Brookings reports said, it could be like debris on other planets, ancient 367 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,319 ruins on the Moon or mars Um. They probably thought, well, we 368 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,119 don't want this happen, because you see, the political classes have a very 369 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:55,839 low opinion as a general population. They I think they just I don't think 370 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,359 we would panic. I think most people would probably be pretty indifferent to it. 371 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,920 Actually, I think right now there's been so much predictive programming in terms 372 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,799 of the movies and programs, and you know, everyone seen ancient aliens. 373 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,480 I think most people's reaction would be yeah, we know that, Yeah, 374 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:17,039 we'll see to see yeah yeah grun Ben. So I was gonna say this, 375 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,519 that may be the purpose behind some of these programs, or certainly people 376 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,519 who watched these programs, they will have been carefully monitored. Public reactions to 377 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:29,319 these programs will have been carefully monitored. Yeah yeah. Getting back to the 378 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,319 food fighters, I recall reading, I think in a Timothy Good book about 379 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,880 food fighters, there was one report, if if I remember it correctly, 380 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,720 where a Lancaster bomber had a one of these food fighters, one of these 381 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:47,039 small red spheres, glowing spheres or whatever they're were described as actually coming up 382 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,160 through the bombay doors that are open and flying around the inside of the fuselage 383 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,799 of the of the bomber and then flew out again. You know, it 384 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,759 was seen by all the people inside that in the Lancaster bomber. So that's 385 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,759 that's amazing, isn't it, Because like obviously the food fight is varied in 386 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,400 size. Some of them were structured craft of a particular size, but some 387 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,240 of them were literally just small spheres, that's right, small balls of light, 388 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:18,400 and obviously they have the ability abilities that human aircraft don't have. This 389 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:23,839 is one of the what Alexander calls the five observables. So I'll come across 390 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,160 the report. There's two reports. Actually, there's quite a few reports that 391 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,920 I'm coming across that I put on my Facebook time all. So this is 392 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,519 one from the Gloucestershire Live Red Arrows display at air show joined by quote alien 393 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,279 aircraft at West Country Air Show. I've dropped a link in the chat so 394 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,759 you guys can have a look at it. It looks like some weird object 395 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,440 that has decided to join the Red Arrows for their display. But also I 396 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:56,400 came across and this is even more bizarre. Let's have a look there we 397 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,119 are. So this is an America seems having in America, and it is 398 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240 the Daily Start, but it has been reported in other places. And there 399 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:11,640 is a video as well, UFO filmed crashed in garden before Panics nine eleven 400 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,200 call and you actually see you actually see the green kind of ball of light 401 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,880 land to the earth. But here's where it gets interesting. And then they 402 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,759 saw an eight foot figure looking at us. Yeah, that's a that's I 403 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,640 mean, I have a very low opinion of that particular story, the second 404 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,480 one, the first one that was really quite extraordinary. Um now, why 405 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,400 would you have a bad opinion on the second one before we get into the 406 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480 first one? All right, it's because there there's a some there's some suggestion 407 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:47,200 that the boy, the young boy who who phoned the police and came up 408 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:51,680 this idea actually was trying to create a bit of viral marketing for his NFTs. 409 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,720 He was making Aliens style NFTs, so it could be a hoax. 410 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,119 Yeah. And then yeah, I can't remember all the details right now, 411 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,880 but I little article about it because I was talking to several people about it 412 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,839 and and I also mean that it happened on made it first, and it 413 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,319 wasn't actually published for five weeks. And I can't help thinking that George Napp, 414 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,119 who actually worked for that particular news station, probably thought and published it 415 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,000 now because you'll have a better reception than it would. And the guy I 416 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,480 thinks he uploaded a video at the same time on his YouTube channel, which 417 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,200 indicates that he had four knowledge of that. I don't. I don't know 418 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:27,000 for certain. I just it's there was. It appears there was something in 419 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,720 the garden and the people sound genuinely scared. That's what the red arrow of 420 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,559 things. That's interesting because there was a there's something similar happened that the Platinum 421 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Jubilee last year. It did. It did. Yeah. Weird about at 422 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:45,480 that time was two separate camera angles captured the object. There was a white 423 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,960 sphere, small white sphere probably about four of hightly cross And you know what 424 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,960 because because it was captured, because two camera angles captured, it could be 425 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:00,319 triangulated his actual position and everything like that. Yeah, And it was very 426 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,160 odd because it was not moving like any kind of balloon or drone or anything 427 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,759 like that. I mean, drones would drones would never be permitted to fly 428 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,079 down a red arrow displame and I'll be deadly Yeah. Actually, yeah, 429 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,119 oh that's the one. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. 430 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,839 So what I can see is a very small white dot in the red trail 431 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,680 of the colored smoke coming out. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yes, 432 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,200 And that was captured from another camera angle on the ground. Yeah, 433 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,319 exactly where it was. Yeah, it's about it's about four feet across, 434 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,440 it's uh yeah, and it was moving in a way that is I say, 435 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:40,640 indicate it was not firstly, as you say, it's not. Drones 436 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880 wouldn't be permitted to fly at that time, be very very dangerous for the 437 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,640 red arrows getting over and anyone, anyone kind of like wanting to view this, 438 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,759 do have a look at it. So for the first one red arrow 439 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,240 display at air show, joined by Alien Aircraft West Country air Show that's Gloucestershire 440 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Live and then UNI Lad. I don't know what people's view on the reliability 441 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,640 of that, but Union Lad, you certainly do see the photo a bit, 442 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,200 and you certainly do see the video. I'm watching the video of it 443 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,480 right now, and very clearly you can see an object that really shouldn't be 444 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,319 there as Ben says it would be too dangerous, and it seems to be 445 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,680 joining again again the Red arrows again their art. They're interested. They do 446 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:28,000 this with our aircraft and for example, on the maiden flight of Concord in 447 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,640 nineteen seventy three, well, it was just it was just being tested. 448 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720 I mean, it wasn't didn't have any passengers on board, it just had 449 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,720 the test pilots us just a similar object actually a white spherical object comes alongside 450 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:43,519 the aircraft. You don't have fast they in the window, doesn't it, 451 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,319 yes, And then it's you can see it actually circling around the aircraft. 452 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,640 This was captured on film. You can see it. It's on YouTube. 453 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,400 It was if someone was checking out our new aviation technology and it was not 454 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,440 clear was not some kind of foreign aircraft because they don't have anything like that. 455 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,279 There was also an incident, and I've seen it on some of these 456 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:12,000 programs where it was a Russian helicopter air display back in the early nineties and 457 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:17,319 they were kind of flying in formation over Moscow or wherever it was, and 458 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,359 you could clearly see an object flying backwards into the formation. Again, it's 459 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:29,039 something that shouldn't be done. Which was caught by many different cameras because obviously 460 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,880 it was an air display. So yeah, very very interesting that they're taking 461 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,559 a major interest in our technology. It's kind of an elephant in the room. 462 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,880 For example, you may see behind me a picture. This is my 463 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,000 chosen background for this particular call. You see like a series of lights in 464 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,640 a circle. Now, if I moved my head, slight you see as 465 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,680 a large light in the middle. Now, this was actually captured on a 466 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,759 Space Shuttle mission, I think sometimes in the nineteen eighties, and what you 467 00:33:54,839 --> 00:34:00,279 see is these objects. The video of it is quite extraordinary because you see 468 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,680 the objects in the around the perimeter appear and start flashing their lights, and 469 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,640 then the big one in the middle then suddenly starts. It's almost that it's 470 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,519 it's light. They're flying in formation, and it's almost like they were giving 471 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,159 a signal to the crew of the Space Shuttle. That's what it looked like 472 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,440 to me. It's extraordinary piece of footage. You've not seen it published by 473 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,119 NASA. NASA, you know, NASA said, well, they didn't try 474 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,440 to suppress this. I mean this was actually part of their They just about 475 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,719 ice crystals from the craft. It dumped some ice. It's basically waste water. 476 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,760 You're in that kind of thing. Sometimes it forms crystals. You see 477 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,000 these things moving in an intelligent manner. It's not ice crystals. Now, 478 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:43,440 you actually monitored a four hour live stream of NASA discussing you of those, 479 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,480 didn't you bend very recently? So well, it's just a couple of Ironically, 480 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,440 it was just a couple of days before grushed. The Grush article came 481 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,920 out and the interview on News Nation it was well, put it this way. 482 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,440 At the end of it, I was four hours older and nothing to 483 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,719 show for it. I thought, what's the point? What's happles? NASSAS 484 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,880 put together what they call an independent study and led by a physicist called David 485 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,239 Spergel, and that he they basically they've actually reinvented the wheel. Really, 486 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,280 they just plodded round in circles, going over saying things that people said before, 487 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,000 these was your sort of things can't be identified, we don't know what 488 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,960 they are, no evidence that are alien. And this went on even though 489 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,639 they had people including they had a couple of astronauts there and Sean Kirkpatrick was 490 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:36,400 there. The astronauts was a very skeptical style they just said, well, 491 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,079 when I was in space, I didn't see anything weird. And there's none 492 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:40,559 of the other astronauts have said anything they saw anything weird, which is not 493 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,719 true because we have at least a dozen astronauts saying they saw strange things in 494 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,320 space Buzz Aldrin, Story, Musgrove, Cordon Cooper, Gnadis Traklov, many 495 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480 many others. And so by the end of it, at the end, 496 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,000 it really didn't go anywhere. It didn't go anywhere. At the end, 497 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,280 the NASA illustrations just so, um, oh yeah, NASA is doing everything 498 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,239 we can. We're not covering anything up because someone from the audience are so 499 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,280 you know, you'd like cutting your feeds and things like this when you were 500 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,519 foes appear so that people can't see it, because you know, you do 501 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,800 live streams. They seemed they seemed to just disappear at certain times, and 502 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840 he said, oh, yeah, they sometimes lose touch with with the transmitter 503 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,800 on the ground. That's where they cut off. And well, my response, 504 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,000 if I'd have been there would have been, well, they seem to 505 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:28,440 disappear as search. They seem to disappear a convenient timee because often just before 506 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,800 they go down something strange appears in the camera. Is that a coincidence? 507 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,920 Is it? Also? If if it's on say that a space shell or 508 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,199 the International Space Station, and you're going to pass over a regular spot each 509 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,840 time over certain stations that are tracking you from there, you would know, 510 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,840 I would presume, and that if you lose your feed at a regular point 511 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,039 going around the Earth because you're out of whatever, that would come up at 512 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,920 a regular point as it goes through its orbit. Wouldn't you know when it 513 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920 would happen? Yeah, you know, an advance when you're gonna have to 514 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,719 cut off. Yeah. Yeah. There's also others. I mean, there's 515 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,400 the witnesses who've spoken how about this. There's also some you know, amateur 516 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,800 people before the other days, before they encrypted transmissions, you know, amateur 517 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,519 radio people would would actually pick these things up. There's some guys in Greece 518 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:20,920 used to pick up secret Russian space transmissions in the sixties, even before Jurigagarins. 519 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,119 But there was an interesting one. Some guys picked up something from the 520 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:29,239 Space Shuttle ones. And this is when John Blah was the Asture Space Shuttle 521 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,039 captain. Now and he what they have you said they do even back in 522 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,800 those days, they had an encrypted channel. It was called the medical channel 523 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,679 because they liked this was discussing the health of the astronauts. Of course it 524 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,039 could be used for discussing other classified materials. And the amateur people were like 525 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,840 the amateur radio hams, weren't monitoring the shuttle, listening to the astronauts talking 526 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,400 for fun. And then they heard blaha, and it is his voice say 527 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,639 Houston, there is a discovery. We have the alien spacecraft under observance. 528 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,599 Wow. And my guess is what happened? N was they felt They called 529 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:06,760 back and says, you're not on the medical channel, you're on the Sorry, 530 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,239 because I literally think he'd forgot that he was. He was not on 531 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,400 the medical channel, and he said something on the public channel. He shouldn't 532 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,159 have. I thought. They called them bogies. Now that was That was 533 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,280 Gordon Cooper bogies at ten o'clock high. He said, yeah, this is 534 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,639 weird because this goes back to the old X fifteen tester. Now this was 535 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,400 this was a suborbital spacecraft that was launched in the early sixties before before the 536 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,599 Mercury missions, which was America's first manned space mission. M Darcy Weir has 537 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,320 done a really good documentary about this. Um what the pilots of these these 538 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,840 crafts and these were these were like they literally they couldn't go to orbit. 539 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,000 They fly they had they were jet powered, and they flew up to a 540 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,920 very very high level and they would spend they would be able, they'd fly 541 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,599 on a ballistic trajectory and spend probably ten minutes in space before having had come 542 00:38:52,679 --> 00:39:00,920 down again, very similar to Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic and the the pilot was 543 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:07,239 told and when you take this camera and photograph anything strange you see. And 544 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,480 this was like really weird because obviously during this mission he'd be very very busy 545 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,239 because those ten minutes in splace, he needed a lot of tests and get 546 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,119 a lot of data, take readings and things like that. But NASA were 547 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,360 telling him basically to do this, and then when they got back, he 548 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,400 could only tell certain people and he had to hand the camera over to the 549 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,880 CIA. This is back as that's as early as like nineteen and sixteen. 550 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,320 Things like that when the X fifteen project was underway. There's another kind of 551 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000 like semi conspiracy theory. You could bolt onto the original Apollo mission. So 552 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:44,199 this thing when they get back from their alleged moon landings, and they had 553 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:49,840 the press briefing and they look completely in a trance hypnotic state, So somebody 554 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:54,280 could argue possibly that maybe there were moon landings. They did actually land there, 555 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,599 they did do their thing, they saw aliens, interacted with aliens. 556 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,920 But obviously we can't the astronauts blurt out to the public, so we'll kind 557 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,119 of wipe their memories, and that's why they hit the tie. So that's 558 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,320 a well. Obviously both conspiracies cannot be true, whether they are usually exclusive, 559 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,079 but my own view is that they weren't on the Moon. However, 560 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,599 there is evidence to suggest that. I mean, I do believe that Apolo 561 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:22,679 eleven went into space with Armstrong and an older on board, and indeed they 562 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,519 buzz alder and reported that they did actually see something strange and where they were 563 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,760 up in space, and I've got no reason to dis believe him. I 564 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,440 don't believe he went to the Moon, but I believe he was in Earth 565 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:35,440 orbit and he saw something strange and he actually said, so you can He 566 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,920 actually said so later that something was actually following the Apollo eleven spacecraft, which 567 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,480 they didn't know what it was. I thought there was some sort of post 568 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,519 analysis of that, and they thought it might have been something like the second 569 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,840 or third stage of the Saturn five, you know, because obviously these things 570 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,239 are they're separating from these things at certain parts of the missioners a go around 571 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,360 in orbit, but these things are still traveling with them because obviously they're still 572 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:04,559 projectiles in space as such, so they're still traveling at seventeen thousand miles an 573 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:08,039 hour, and the ship or the capsule is undocking from it, so it 574 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:12,360 just travels that little bit faster, but these things are trailing off, and 575 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,960 eventually there that orbit starts to decay of the the you know, that third 576 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:20,400 stage, and they kind of look out a window and see something like, 577 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,559 oh, what's that, And they're not quite sure because by that time it 578 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,719 is perhaps almost like a tiny glint in star or rotating object or whatever it 579 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,360 may be. So a lot of the ground stations presume or estimated it to 580 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,480 be, you know, debrief from from the actual launch itself, which is, 581 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,760 you know, it's not impossible, other there's a good thing. Well, 582 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,880 I think the reason I think that's not the case is it's older in 583 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,559 himself, and in fact, this is actually on the radio record of Apollo 584 00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,960 eleven. You actually hear him contacting Houstons and Houston, could you tell us 585 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,000 the location of the third stage, the third stage of our rocket, or 586 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,480 some of the words to that effect, because they he and Armstrong and the 587 00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:00,760 other guy. The guy would forget because he was well, Um, they 588 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,519 were all looking out the window of this thing saying and they wanted to check 589 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,920 what it was. They they don't want to say they'd send a UFO on 590 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,920 that because they didn't have the secret channel in those days. But they asked, 591 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:16,280 they asked Mission to crawl to verify that this was not what that very 592 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,599 thing, and missiontrol did say, no, no, it's actually six thousand 593 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,920 miles away from you. You shouldn't be see it right right. There's another 594 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,239 conspiracy theory that you could bolt onto this as well, and this would be 595 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,119 from the people that believe that we did land on the moon. Have you 596 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,679 heard of the one where people have claimed that they've heard astronauts say we did 597 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,639 land and we saw massive structures and there were alien structures there. So there's 598 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:43,360 that that aspect as well. There's something this isn't there. You've got you've 599 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,679 got the camp that believes that we absolutely did not go to the Moon and 600 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,679 it was all a complete hoax. We've got the camp that says we did 601 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,440 go to the Moon, but there's no alien structures. And then we've got 602 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,639 the camp that says we did go to the Moon, but there are alien 603 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,559 structures for the Yeah, it's obviously that all these things can't be true. 604 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,199 Yeah, to which which, sure, what do you think do you think 605 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,320 we went first? I don't believe that to the Polo Missians went to the 606 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,519 Moon. This doesn't mean there aren't trying things on the Moon. I believe 607 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,960 there's there's some there's some interesting stories about what was seen on the dark side 608 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,599 of the Moon. Now this is the dark it's called the dark side, 609 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,280 but it actually does get as much sunlight as the near side. It's actually 610 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,960 the fast side, the fast side facing away. That's if you were an 611 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,920 alien theoretically coming to Earth, this would be the perfect place to set up 612 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,760 some kind of forward operating position because it's a large area. It's almost next 613 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,960 door to the Earth in cosmic terms, and it's one of the few places 614 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,440 in the universe it's completely invisible from the Earth's surface for a region other than 615 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:45,039 sheer distance. So if theoretically, if we were being visited by creatures from 616 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:50,800 distant planets, they would probably set up some kind of and they wanted to 617 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,880 remain hidden from us, they would set up some kind of base on far 618 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,480 side. Actually, you've got a fourth You've got a fourth camp with this. 619 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,400 Oh god, you've got that. You've got the secret space theory. 620 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,000 You've got the theory that actually that what we're getting in the news and the 621 00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:07,480 technology that we think is available is actually centuries, possibly millennia behind what really 622 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:13,400 exists. And there's like another, if you like, rung above us in 623 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,760 the technology technological realms where huge technology does exist. And we was about all 624 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:24,599 over the place in a secret space program UFO type spaceships, and maybe some 625 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,480 of the UFOs that we're looking at are actually part of that. Who knows. 626 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,039 I have no idea that that's the secret government has been far advanced and 627 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:37,480 what's available publicly, but well, I've done some of Maybe this is getting 628 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:42,719 back to those recovered craft that we've been discussing that you know, if we 629 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,440 have recovered technology, as this guy who has been stating it's not out the 630 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,800 runs of possibility, I mean I have heard that, you know. I 631 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,960 mean, what bob Za was talking about was that, you know, he 632 00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:57,920 I think he quoted like a Wednesday evening or something that he said he told 633 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,880 his friends. He said, look, if you don't believe me, come 634 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,960 out to S four Area fifty one on a Wednesday evening with me and I'll 635 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,960 show you them test flying these crafts. And they were actually witnessed and they 636 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:12,719 videoed them, and I think they got arrested by the suggestion people there. 637 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,800 So it does seem August that, you know, once you got these craft 638 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,559 you know, captured or retrieved in some way, you are going to look 639 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,000 at them and try and work out how they're there, they're functioning. So 640 00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:30,079 it's not out the realms of speculation to suggest that, yeah, we some 641 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,000 of the crafts up there are us testing them out, and they'd rather you 642 00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,199 blame it on an alien craft rather than you sort of say, I think 643 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,800 that's US technologism, because they don't want you to know about their technology. 644 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,559 I mean that lot was said about diet for instance, So when people saw 645 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,760 the SR seventy one black Bird shooting across the sky, they'd rather you think 646 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,519 it was an alien craft rather than you actually identified it as a stealth aircraft 647 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,559 of the US Air Force at the time. But if you get an identification 648 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:05,719 wrong, yeah, certainly. I mean doctor Stephen Greer actually just released an 649 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,119 urban boovie where he talks about what he calls them. He calls UFOs a 650 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:16,320 EPDs alternative energy propulsion devices. That's something it was. If we need another 651 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,599 new name for them now. Of course I think some UFOs probably are secret 652 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:27,440 aircraft, not all, but there are. Now. There's quite a fashionable 653 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:32,079 theory actually going around that than the modern UFO culture and mythology is simply a 654 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:38,320 piece of literally engineered neo mythology created by the CIA to launder them or down 655 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,400 to Earth projects like space like spacecraft and spy planes and things like that. 656 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:49,559 It doesn't really make sense because you'd be you'd you'd essentially be drawing people's attention 657 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,239 towards something with the ultimate objective of deflecting it away. It wouldn't work at 658 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,920 all the same I mean, because if that theory is correct, it means 659 00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,840 Bobblazar was put out there to draw people's attention away from Area fifty one hasn't 660 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,360 worked very well. That everyone's looking the air at fifty one out, including 661 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,800 people who don't believe in aliens and think that's just and they're now very interesting 662 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:14,280 in these covert aircraft being developed there. Do you remember the storm the Area 663 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,000 fifty one group, Yes, that's happened with that did well. It was 664 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,039 just thinking about it was they had this thing called alien Stock, which is 665 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,480 like a music festival and like a just basically a party in the middle of 666 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,679 the desert. Luckily no one actually tried to storm everything. It would have 667 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,199 been a disaster. It would have been an absolute disaster if they did. 668 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:35,079 But what happened was they have this thing called alien Stock. They said we'll 669 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,159 come back next year and make it a regular event. Then there was a 670 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,440 lockdown, but apparently it has resumed. It's the guy who does it, 671 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,400 he's only seventeen or something, or the fun went. Now apparently there are 672 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:52,199 plans to do a new to make this a regular thing, which should be 673 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,840 fun. I mean, as long as people don't actually try to storm Area 674 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,599 fifty one. Joke. It's such a huge place, so you know, 675 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,800 if anyone in the ten did, it's like which which part of the fence 676 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,079 do they actually storm? Because it's like acres this place, isn't. It's 677 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:08,079 like trying to get into Glastonbury, but twenty times more difficult. It's a 678 00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:13,199 fourteen mile walk from the from the from the s Ractural Highway for a start, 679 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,320 across open desert, which is something that's very hot or very cold, 680 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,800 and there's no water. The Camo dudes, the security guards. I think 681 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,119 if if they saw a lots of people running towards the base, they would 682 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,199 they are authorized to open a fire, and they would, and there would 683 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,880 be there would be a massacre. It would be a pr disaster though, 684 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,960 wouldn't It would be a jennement square. But for alien, Oh god, 685 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,760 it will be will bes it would. It'll be very very sad and some 686 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,039 probably they probably clamped down on us even what I think what they would probably 687 00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,559 this is what I think they'd probably do if they knew that there was going 688 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,400 to be a massive group of people invading every fifty one. I think what 689 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,840 they'd do they would draft in lots of National Guard and Army waiting. I 690 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,119 don't think they'd actually shoot them and kill them. I don't think they do 691 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:54,639 that. I think what they'll do is the mass arrests. They'd have coaches 692 00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:00,239 waiting they're just arrestimal and the deed that will go to jail or have a 693 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,079 message. Fine, well that's actually what happened the day the police came out 694 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:08,000 in force, yeah, with for that day. They actually in the end 695 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,000 they only rested six people. They were preparing to arrest thousands if necessary. 696 00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:15,599 Yeah. But but basically it turned into quite It turned into a very good 697 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,719 natured pageant really where everyone had a good laugh. It was very fun. 698 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,119 But some yeah, it was. It was now if you talk about Era 699 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:25,039 of fifty one on YouTube, for instance, you get the little box took 700 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,920 the Wikipedia box underneath. Oh yeah yeah. And I think if there had 701 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,360 been some kind of humanitarian disaster, it needn't be it need to be someone 702 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,079 getting shot. It could be just imagined like if five hundred people turned up 703 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,920 at Rachel, the little village, which is like seventeen miles from anywhere. 704 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,920 I mean, they all turned up there, went to the alien. The 705 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,639 problem is there's a petrol station there, but it probably doesn't have that much 706 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,960 petrol in stock, So how would you get those people back? And how 707 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,159 much you know, how how much food is actually in Rachel to feed these 708 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,480 people? And it could be something like that they maybe if you even that 709 00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,760 little town seventeen miles from anywhere and you can't get back and you could end 710 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,599 up there, they'll run out of food and then they'll be starvation and things 711 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:08,480 like that, or they'll try walking back, which will be which will probably 712 00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:12,000 end up the same way we did, end up dying on the way. 713 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,239 Things like that. It's just the little problems like that they all had to 714 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,840 think about. On a slightly different note, have you heard of the really 715 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,360 crazy shit behind the history of night vision? Have you heard of this? 716 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,320 No, I know a night vision, I know, but I didn't know 717 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,599 the fish, so I this is kind of relevant to the alien and the 718 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,480 UFO thing. So night vision, I thought it was a fairly recent thing. 719 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,320 My guests would have been kind of nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties. Actually, 720 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,800 no, night vision goes way back to at least the nineteen thirties, 721 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,440 possibly before then. Did you know that the Germans and the Americans both had 722 00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,760 night vision on the warfield in the Second World War? They were huge though, 723 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,079 I mean the scopes are absolutely massive, bigger than the actual gun. 724 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,440 But you could actually bolt on a night vision scope to your gun so that 725 00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:06,639 it goes way way way way back anyway, skipper, Skipper. A couple 726 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:12,719 of decades to the Vietnam War, the military decided to play about with what 727 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,079 was the best color to use for night vision, because we know it as 728 00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:20,880 black and green, but they were experimenting with kind of blue and black, 729 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,480 white and black, yellow and black and red and black. This is where 730 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:30,039 it gets proper tinfoil hat crazy when they went with red and black. So 731 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:34,960 if you imagine night vision, but it's red tints instead of green tints. 732 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,719 And they gave it to their helicopter helicopter pilots who were sober and not on 733 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,559 drugs and not on LSD. And I thought this was complete bs, but 734 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,159 it was on. It was actually raised strange background noise, so I don't 735 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,440 know where it's coming from. Oh one second, can you hear me? 736 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,559 I know what it is. I can hear. I can hear you. 737 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,719 Just it's a page I hadn't okay, it was a live stream waiting to 738 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,400 start, so I should have shut that. That's right. So basically they 739 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,039 were they were experimenting with red and black night vision. They gave it to 740 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:13,000 these helicopter pilots who were sober and not on drugs. And the reason I 741 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:19,039 say that is they then started seeing quote, winged beings flying around the jungles. 742 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,519 This was raised on the Joe Rogan Show, and I thought that can't 743 00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:27,119 be real. Little did a little bit of diving. Actually, yes, 744 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,239 it was real. You can find reports on this. They were they were 745 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:36,199 seeing these winged beings and the helicopter gunners were actually shooting into thin air. 746 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,039 So if you take the goggles off, there's nothing there. If you put 747 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,519 these red and black night vision goggles on, you see these winged being that 748 00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,639 look. They described them as demons and dragons flying around. They were shooting 749 00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,000 and they weren't there. So then they switched over to the green and black. 750 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,719 Now the winged beings, the demons disappeared. You couldn't see them anymore. 751 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,320 But guess what you could see, You could see the UFOs. So 752 00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,639 then then we kind of like skipped forward to h you know a few recent 753 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,679 documentaries, even one with Danny Dye which was quite interesting. And they set 754 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,360 up these tripods with these green and black what I would call kind of normal 755 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,039 regular every day what we would refer to as night vision, and you'd see 756 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:20,000 in the sky these bright objects flying around happy as Larry, and you move 757 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,239 the camera away and you look with your naked eye and there's nothing there. 758 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,639 You can still see the stars. The stars are illuminated, and you can 759 00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,760 see the stars with the night vision, but you can only see these UFO 760 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,480 objects through the night vision. So I don't forget night vision. Especially green 761 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:39,199 and black ones pick up infrared. So maybe they're picking up frequencies of light 762 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,920 that we can't see with the naked eye. Well, that's a craft. 763 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:49,960 Friend, Nick Hayes, would he deals with phenomena that do not appear in 764 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:54,039 visible lights. They only only appear in in the electronna spectrum away from visible 765 00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,760 light. But that I didn't. That's clearly dealing with something that only, 766 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,719 like I said, it's can't be seen except in certain wavelengths in other worlds. 767 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,840 Because if you've got red, red is a very low wavelength, a 768 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,880 long wavelength, asupposed to blue, which is a high wavelength. That to 769 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,400 me is really it's indicates they have some kind of ability to disguise themselves and 770 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,119 can disent on a certain wavelengths. And it's also fascinated because traditionally people have 771 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:28,079 thought about UFOs and aliens as kind of like a distance thing they live in, 772 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,000 you know, a galaxy, you know, billions and billions of light 773 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:35,360 years away. But if if we then kind of like, um, not 774 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,159 exactly merge, but we kind of view these things as perhaps multidimensional or in 775 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,800 the same realms as ghosts and you know, spirits and that kind of thing. 776 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,719 If we take the principle that the length of distance for one little spaceship 777 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,480 to come across is going to be too vast to do it in terms of 778 00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:57,599 you know, even with high technology, but instead doing it multidimensially, are 779 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,880 you kind of disappearing from one space and appearing another space? How they do 780 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,760 it? I don't know, in the same way that the spirit or ghost 781 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,880 might. They're willing to some really strange realms here, Because are we dealing 782 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:15,519 with with with beings or UFOs from the physicality of far flung places, or 783 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,960 are we dealing with multidimensional beings. Now we're intoing a whole new world of 784 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,920 the possibility of angels and demons and extra dimensional Yeah. I actually saw the 785 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,639 documentary were talking about with Danny Dyer. It was it was just hems. 786 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,519 He was winkey ch Actually who does the fraish things with cameras and stuff. 787 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,519 But yeah, I mean the thing is if if in order to in order 788 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:42,280 to traverse the great distances in space you need to use wormholes. Wormholes do 789 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,440 exist in the theory, and there's nothing They're called the Einstein Rosen bridge because 790 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,000 Einstein actually theorized with this guy called Rosen that they could be created which would 791 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,400 actually bypass space Steine and the ability you'd be able to go through this wormhole 792 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,280 and get somewhere a lot quicker than you would have otherwise. Alternatively, if 793 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,800 we live in them in a multiverse where there's different universes occupy in the same 794 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,880 space on high dimensions, the wormhole also could access those as well, and 795 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,280 if you should allow being from other universes to accessrs. So yeah, I 796 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,360 mean, this is strange crossover between other paranormal phenomena that fascinating me. John 797 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,800 Keel wrote a lot about this, and the difference I suppose would be that 798 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,719 unfos also have like a physical presence. They have they appear to be solid 799 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,360 objects, they leave marks on the ground for example. They also the pilots 800 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,119 the occupants seem to be biological entities which leave footprints for example, and when 801 00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,079 they sometimes they die and they leave behind a corpse, which cause ghosts and 802 00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:46,840 angels don't um So I find that although you say ghosts and angels don't they 803 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:55,199 but sometimes with politicist activities you do get the physical manifestation of beings or objects 804 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,360 being moved in this reality, this three D reeligence by the theory or being 805 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,360 themselves, and that's it, and you get and you get some people because 806 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,280 there's different types of ghosts, isn't there there's orbits of light. You've got 807 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,079 shadows, you've got translucent we can see the background, but you've also got 808 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:15,639 solid ones. You've also got solid ones. And in terms of the physicality 809 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,000 of things, there are some reports of people, for instance, in life 810 00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,760 threatening situations where old the angel kind of lifted the car up. Now I 811 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,280 was able to get out with the angel did this and I was able to 812 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,760 get out, and then they'd ask the police or the paramedics, or where 813 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,440 was that that that tall blonde guy? Where was it? What tall blond 814 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,800 guy? What you're talking about? So there there can be weirdly some physical 815 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,960 interactions from what you might call ghosts and spirits in the same way that aliens 816 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,880 kind of have a physical and presence. Well, the Bible actually mentions eight 817 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,400 angels and what I can't remember where as we're in the Bible, but it 818 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:52,559 mentions aliens eating, so not aliens angels angela angels are eating, which of 819 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:58,920 course indicates they have they can manifest in a physical formula yea. And of 820 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,800 course supports about like we discussed Helen Duncan before about how the school experiment. 821 00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,280 You know, she apparently came through and gave everyone a newspaper from the nineteen 822 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,599 forties and it was an authentic one too, printed on the right kind of 823 00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:16,320 paper with the right kind of black kind of thing. Now as we draw 824 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,000 it for a close, just the vinyl thoughts on this, the retrieve sources, 825 00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,719 if they are retree sources, are such. Leslie Keene was the one 826 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,920 that was sort of on this story as well. She was asked if it 827 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,519 was a soft disclosure, is that what they're head into? I mean, 828 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,400 would you agree it's kind of a soft disclosure that these reports now coming through 829 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:42,280 first. That's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping it is literally, um 830 00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,679 some kind of herald, some kind of some kind of experiment to see what's 831 00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,039 going to see how people react before they go to the next step. Yeah, 832 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:52,639 we don't know that's the case, but that's what I hope for. 833 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,880 I mean, the the evidence does indicate that's the case. Actually, And 834 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,559 I know I'm I'm biased, and this could be wish you're thinking. But 835 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,760 after I've looked at the other side of the story, I've looked at what 836 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,199 other people said, and it doesn't fit. There's no other reason why this 837 00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:09,519 guy would do that, see what I mean. Yeah, I mean the 838 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,800 skeptics have this strange theme outsand why are they interested in us? You know, 839 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,320 all these aliens, you know, why would they travel the vast distances 840 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,320 the universe. I mean, they're making assumptions that they're traveling vast distances of 841 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,840 the universe to come and visit us, when in fact, you know, 842 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,920 they might actually be here already. And I mean, certainly many of the 843 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,960 books I've read suggests that the saucer craft at least a flying saucages typical flying 844 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,280 sorces. They are actually craft just to maneuver around in our atmosphere. Anyway, 845 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,119 they have not traversed the universe, and they could be, like you 846 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:43,000 say, on basis on the backside of the Moon, so they haven't got 847 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,000 far to come, really. But these people, in their closed minded ways, 848 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,440 seem to think that these little flyings autars have traversed the universe through time 849 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,599 and space or whatever. When you know there's bases here allegedly, there's many 850 00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:59,559 reports of flying sources going in and mountains into volcanoes, under the sea. 851 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,840 They're not they're not often seen shooting up straight up into space. They see, 852 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,639 yeah, and they are seen in space sometimes covered it out of the 853 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,920 atmosphere, but they're not seeing like large ones coming in through the Solar System 854 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,719 have not been spotted by astronomers. And also, I mean they're coming through 855 01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,280 wormholes. We don't know where the ends of these wormholes are. They could 856 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,599 be very close, they could be very close to it. They could even 857 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,639 be on the Earth. I mean they could Yeah, don't even need to 858 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,400 be in space at all. And yeah, I mean so, And as 859 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,559 you said, there's there's signs that they go. They go to places like 860 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,079 under the sea all the time. They fly into places. The final scene 861 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:36,360 of that documentary with Danny Dyer and by the way, it's all that's an 862 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,679 awful piece of casting. I really must admit that I thought he's at the 863 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,639 East Set Ranch. He's at the East Setting Ranch, and he actually does 864 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,760 witness some of the phenomena that James Gilliland's team have observed. And this is 865 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,679 this is the thing. I mean that the point about the Danny Dye episode 866 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,000 is not really him and it's what he believes in is kind of like irrelevant 867 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,800 to us. Really it's the footage. It's when you see the footage and 868 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,639 it was a mountain that these these not beings, I don't know what they 869 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,960 are, UFOs were flying in and out of that you couldn't see with the 870 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:13,199 naked eye. That's usually exactly. This is a lot like what This is 871 01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:15,760 what several people I checked, Trevor James Constable, who was the pioneer of 872 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:22,039 this kind of uthology, talked about and other people have as well. Nick 873 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,199 Hayes, I think as carrying on the work of Constable, I d Leon 874 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:34,000 Southgate. So yeah, I think that's that. Maybe that's I think, 875 01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:36,559 no doubt it could be. We'll find out more about that. I could 876 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:37,920 be the government. I'm sure they know about this sort of thing already. 877 01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:44,920 M But stay tuned to this channel and also to Ben's channel. Ben. 878 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,880 If people want to know more about you, how can they find out about 879 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,079 you? Well, you's go to Panelo Hospital, Ports against the New World 880 01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,559 Order HPA and WO. Put it into Google. You'll find everything. Don't 881 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:59,480 forget to read my book Ross while Rising, a novel of disclosure available all 882 01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,119 good books shops now price ten pounds, which is about the subjects we talk 883 01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:06,679 about on this program, but it's a fictional scenario in which people got the 884 01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,280 truth and said us a lies. Cool. And also your YouTube channel, 885 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,760 Ben the JR Reporter, the Porter, Yeah Porter. I always want to 886 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,920 say reporter because it's the R in the JR. Porter. Yeah, yeah 887 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:21,719 cool. Okay, so you're going to be doing a lot more live streams 888 01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:23,239 as this story unfold, so I'm going to try and keep an eye on 889 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:30,320 that well hopefully if if Philip Kinsella and his brother Ronnie Kinsella can make it. 890 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,199 Unfortunately had to cancel the season, so I hopefully we might be getting 891 01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:36,280 one part to this program. If not, we'll just be us, but 892 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,800 we'll hopefully get my mind in part to discussing the same topics from their angle. 893 01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:42,800 But for the moment, then thanks very much for joining us. On 894 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,320 the Paranormal Peep Show. Welcome, thanks for having thanks for handing me Andy 895 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:55,159 and Neil. Cheers. Stay tuned for Part two. Day Made nine UK 896 01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:01,480 Radio Network. Join Andy Leile every month on the Paranal peep Show part of 897 01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:07,840 the Paranal UK Radio Network for fun, frolics and lots of information about weird 898 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,280 stuff, UFOs, ghosts and things that go bump in the night and everything 899 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:20,639 associated with them. Fascinating guests, fascinating talk, fascinating information. Hi, 900 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,639 Welcome back to the Paranormal Peep Show Part two on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, 901 01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:30,679 and this time we've joined with Philip Kinseller, who joins us from Bedfordshire. 902 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,239 Philip, Hello, good evening, How are you good evening, and 903 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,079 earlin, I'm very well and thank you once again for inviting me on your 904 01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:38,920 wonderful show. It's wonderful, it's brilliant, Thank you, thank you. 905 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,119 And of course you're the host of Twin Souls, so you're kept busy with 906 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,519 your brother Ronnie presenting an host in that and discussing all sorts of manner of 907 01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:51,119 things. And one of the things that you discussed quite a lot either on 908 01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:54,320 your show or outside the field of that lie through your books or presentations is 909 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,599 the subject of UFOs as well, which you have a great interest in. 910 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,920 So obviously this story is broken with this David Grush, who is this alleged 911 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,519 whistleblower, But I mean Ben says he's not a whistle blow because he's doing 912 01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:10,719 it through the proper channels of trying to get this story out now. But 913 01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:18,440 David Grush is this former Leaves and former intelligence of intelligence workings. Yeah, 914 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:24,159 it was working for the US government with the UAP kind of task force as 915 01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:30,079 it were, which is a unident unidentified aerial phenomenal program and maybe a task 916 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:36,000 with bringing to the public through Congress their their research and findings that he came 917 01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:42,039 to the conclusion with talking to various people that they were not given all the 918 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,199 information that they should be and he thought it was a bit of a travesty. 919 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,000 So this is why he's come forward and basically through the protections of Congress 920 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:55,719 and various acts that are being passed now breaking this story through where he says 921 01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,480 that the US and other countries do have crashed UFO put it bluntly, And 922 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,639 how did you find out about the story and what's your thoughts on it. 923 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,239 Well, I did hear whispering starting on the internet, but then of course 924 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,440 you sent me a link where I was really able to have a look at 925 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,920 this, and that's where I found it. So I found it through UNIL 926 01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:20,760 because I heard these rumors going through the internet. But I was rather curious 927 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:27,000 as to why David Grush now would come forward with these allegations. I mean, 928 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:31,480 this is you know, we're talking about the Rosso error nineteen forty seven, 929 01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:36,159 and of course we know of the subsequent programs that were initiated, Project 930 01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:42,440 Signed, Project Grudge, Project Bluebook, and you know which we're supposed to 931 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:48,320 be investigating the reality of UFO or now UAP phenomena. And we get to 932 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:55,119 this stage now where we've got this very high intelligence officer and his credentials. 933 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,440 Do check out who is now stating that he wants the world to know that 934 01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:04,880 we are in possession of at least twelve crafts. And what was interesting was 935 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:11,559 the nature of the information that came forward from him stating that some of them 936 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,079 are triangular, some of the classic disc shape, and one even very much 937 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:19,920 like one of our very own helicopters, and also stating about the pilots. 938 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:27,519 Now, anyone remotely interested within the UFO phenomena would do absolutely anything to be 939 01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:30,679 in the presence of not only that hardware, but also to see and look 940 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,239 upon the pilots themselves. But you know, we're now seeing a downplay of 941 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:42,039 this every single time that we have someone and in this instance, I have 942 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:47,880 to state that David Grush is one of the most highest level within the military 943 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,920 establishment core units that has come forward to spill the beans, so to speak. 944 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,239 And we're now seeing a downplaying of this whole drama, where of course 945 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,360 the Pentagon and those officials that governed within you know what we would call us 946 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:11,280 parliament, although it's are now at pains to cover this up. So and 947 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,920 we also have to understand that this information has come from second hand sources. 948 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:21,840 So David Grush has not himself seen the actual hardware or the pilots. He 949 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:28,480 has been informed by those other members of personnel within his units that have confided 950 01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:30,920 in him. And are we to doubt him, you know, no, 951 01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:34,920 I don't think so. I mean, why would this gentleman come forward now 952 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,639 as spoil the beans. But of course you'll get a lot of people that's 953 01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:44,400 going to start speculating thinking that this is a false flag. Some people are 954 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:51,280 talking about the build up to some kind of fabricated holographic alien invasion, and 955 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:56,360 it's got messy, which it normally does within the field of UFO research. 956 01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:00,960 Whatever happens with any case, you'll find that there is a yes and there 957 01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:04,960 is a no, and you know, there is never any definitive answers that 958 01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:11,159 we can gain, and this is puzzling. So I think personally a lot 959 01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:16,359 of what David is talking about is factual. I think he comes across as 960 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:23,239 very frustrated. He's certainly now a marked man in terms of like him stepping 961 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:28,159 forward and coming out of line of the job that he you know, specifically 962 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,560 worked for, the work, the work that he did, because he's gone 963 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:40,000 against his official bosses. But we're seeing again the Pentagon and of course denying 964 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,319 or them now blaming someone else that you know, it's another corporation that has 965 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,840 this information that we can't get our hands on, and it's always someone else. 966 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,560 It's always like a pay per trell where you can never actually find where 967 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,520 this ends. Is this is the whole thing. So I think it's very 968 01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,640 interesting. I think going back, so we have to realize something truly extraordinary 969 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:10,199 did start to begin before Grush announced these spectacular claims just recently. I mean, 970 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,960 I know that he's been in the movement for some time. But when 971 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:19,960 we had those balloons coming over America and then they were subsequently shot down, 972 01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:26,720 there was another object that was about the size of a vehicle that supposedly came 973 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,520 down in some kind of water, and we didn't hear any more about that. 974 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,319 But what's interesting is the fact that the news media here in England, 975 01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:38,000 I know as well in America and other countries, but here in England for 976 01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:44,760 the first time they were stating categorically that they had shot down AUFO. Now, 977 01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:49,520 a balloon is a balloon, so you know, it's rather like Roswell, 978 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,359 but in reverse where it was a disc and and they blamed it on 979 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,199 the mogil Weather balloon so secret in fact, going back to nineteen forty seven, 980 01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:01,520 that military didn't even know anything about the where about where this secret experimental 981 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:08,239 object was, I might add I think that was the beginning of some kind 982 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:16,399 of psychological program or disinformation campaign campaign, most notably conspiracy theorists. That was 983 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:23,680 I know that was created through JFK, through his unfortunate demise. But it 984 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,000 was strange that the news channels were using UFO and then all of a sudden, 985 01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:30,359 all the uphologists ears pricked up, all the researchers, thinking, how 986 01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:33,319 on a minute, what are they talking about? And I thought that was 987 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,359 very strange even back then, that they'd actually admitted. And then you know, 988 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,800 you kind of like have to step back and stay well, the news 989 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,239 channels have never admitted on national primetime news that a UFO or two UFOs have 990 01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,640 been shot down. It's always been what it has been, has been shot 991 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,680 down an aircraft or a balloon or something else. So I'm not so sure. 992 01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:00,840 I'm quite suspicious about this sudden turn of the sense in terms of all 993 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,199 of this now starting to come out. What what is this? Yeah? 994 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:13,880 Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. It's like the UFOs over Canada or 995 01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:19,720 where these objects were that that's like the starter meal and now we're we've been 996 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,119 off with the main cause and I'm just wondering what the dessert will be. 997 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,600 Well, as long as we're not the main course, yeah, or the 998 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:33,399 dessert. Well, it is fascinating, I think because we have to also 999 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:41,039 ask the question as to why again, that question why David has come forward. 1000 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:49,520 Obviously he himself has been witnessed to this information. Obviously he's seen photographic 1001 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:56,680 evidence, he's seen the documentation, and of course because his hands are tied, 1002 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,800 along with many others, it does seem to me that there are others 1003 01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,800 within his group, or within those group establishments, who do feel that it's 1004 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,479 wrong that the public are not told the truth. And he also said, 1005 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:11,880 didn't he that the Vatican know about this as well, which wouldn't surprise me 1006 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:18,039 in the least. But I think the public now already, I don't think 1007 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:24,439 they would give a hoot if the world suddenly announced that yes, we are 1008 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:31,520 in possession of UFO hardware, and that we have obviously the bodies the pilots 1009 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,239 in some form of cryogenic freeze. I doubt very much of their alive. 1010 01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:42,279 But this opens up the door to other questions that even David, I think 1011 01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,800 himself, may not be able to answer. He seemed at pains to discuss 1012 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:53,399 matters. One of the interesting things he pointed out was the fact that subcontracted 1013 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,880 scientific units had been brought in to try and replicate the technology and they couldn't, 1014 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,560 which cause into question and most notably the triangular UFO stings that we have 1015 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:09,399 the TR three's, which most people assume our back engineered alien technology. Well, 1016 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,079 if his statement is true, then it means to say that we haven't 1017 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:17,720 yet reversed this technology and that what people have been seeing is actually the real 1018 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:23,880 thing. But I don't know, because you have some researchers stating that there's 1019 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:29,000 some kind of secret space program, you know, that that we have reversed 1020 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,840 the technology from alien craft or non human craft as they non terrestrial crafts as 1021 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,720 they like to call it. So you know, we're going to find ourselves 1022 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,199 in some deep muddy waters until we have some transparency with regards to the facts 1023 01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:48,079 behind this. And even if those facts were brought forward, even if David 1024 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,800 was able to bring these facts forward, I doubt that the public would believe 1025 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:57,279 him anyway, you know, because people want to sit with their own eyes, 1026 01:13:57,319 --> 01:14:00,960 they want to handle it, and that's not going to happen. So 1027 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:06,479 but I think it's interesting that he has such a very high ranking position and 1028 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:12,399 that something spooked him or he's you know, obviously telling the truth, unless, 1029 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,920 of course, there is another program, a psychological program in place to 1030 01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:20,079 make us all believe that we're seeing it their way and once again we've all 1031 01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:26,640 been had we don't know m I almost get the impression the fact that these 1032 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,520 people that are confided in him because he worked for the up task for Task 1033 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,239 Force and it was one of his jobs to try and collate all this material. 1034 01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:43,880 And basically it's like all these people within this crashed retrieval area, we're 1035 01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:46,159 basically you're saying, just they just want the word to get out or something. 1036 01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:48,960 Because remember, these are not the same people, of course that we're 1037 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,800 involved with Roswell. These are younger people that our generation who comes through with 1038 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:59,000 different sets and morals and we're not at war with this that and the other 1039 01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:02,479 where maybe or with other people now or something. But they're coming through with 1040 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:08,319 a different set of you know, they're not all going to hush it up 1041 01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:12,359 now. Maybe maybe there was an argument back then with the Russians about hushing 1042 01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:14,840 this sort of stuff up because it was new to them, But now they've 1043 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,920 got at least seventy five years of this kind of stuff to collate through and 1044 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,199 go through. And the people that are coming onto these teams now that have 1045 01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:27,239 got to investigate them have got different ideas about you know, how do they 1046 01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:29,960 want to leave this world? Do they want to leave it a secret, 1047 01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:33,479 or are they're going to kick this problem further down the road like a tin 1048 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,800 can for another generation to pick up, or they're going to actually break new 1049 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,560 grounds. They no, we're going to stop this and we want this to 1050 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:48,079 now become partly public in some way. And it's like these people that they 1051 01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:53,079 they they've confided him. They've all gone up to him and broken their bits 1052 01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:57,079 of information to him one by one. And even he said, yes, 1053 01:15:57,159 --> 01:15:59,880 I have seen documents. Because people said, oh, we hasn't seen anything, 1054 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,600 but he actually says in an interview, yes, I've been presented documents 1055 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,720 and other things. Yeah, that's right. And I presumed he meant video 1056 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:12,720 or photographs or something of that nature. So he has seen some sort of 1057 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,560 qualifying evidence, although, like you say, he hasn't got the keys to 1058 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:21,479 the cabinet to bring these things forth. But now there's other journalists out there 1059 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,000 that are now being approached by people who are saying pretty much the same thing. 1060 01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:30,600 But then again, thirty plus years ago, we had Bob Lazar who 1061 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,960 was pretty much selling us the same kind of story that he was saying that 1062 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,239 we had reversed, engineered the technology. David is telling us that we haven't 1063 01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:44,279 been able to do that. So you know, where do we draw that 1064 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:49,359 line. I wouldn't doubt you know that the US military have tried in every 1065 01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:55,359 way possible to replicate these crafts or the engineering of them. That is interesting. 1066 01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,399 But the other interesting fact that we have to look at, Neil is 1067 01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:01,920 the fact that if this is true, then we have been lied to and 1068 01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:05,760 also not just lied to. My big question is where are they coming from? 1069 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:12,560 Remember he said there were different factions, different species of alien So we 1070 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,239 then have to ask the question, if they're not getting us through through to 1071 01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:20,800 us through space as in the conventional space that we see in terms of space 1072 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,119 travel, how are they doing it? I mean we bring into the framed 1073 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:29,840 dimensional connections, which I think are very important, you know, And but 1074 01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:36,760 also that would state that NASA have also lied to us because they've engineered this 1075 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:42,800 new interest or this new program to study the UAP phenomena. But come on, 1076 01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:47,279 I mean, if if these crafts have been entering our stratosphere, they 1077 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:51,760 would know about it because of all the satellite technology out there. And I 1078 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,640 think that if this is the case, and it shows that there's been a 1079 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,159 huge, massive operation to you know, hoodwink the public, the general public 1080 01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:04,760 that's us into the belief that there's nothing going on out there, and the 1081 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:10,159 other thing just a very simple thing here. They've got such technology to allegedly 1082 01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:14,720 take pictures on Mars, but not the moon, you know, And we've 1083 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,479 got to you know, people have to ask the right questions. I know 1084 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:25,720 we're stepping it slightly away from the UAP question with David Rush, but these 1085 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,039 questions, this will then start a barrage start of other things that will be 1086 01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:34,159 opened. Cans of worms will start to be open. So if you've told 1087 01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:39,319 us that we now have alien technology, we have the hardware, and we 1088 01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:44,640 have the pilots, and we want to know how they're getting here. And 1089 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,000 if we do find out how they're getting here, we're then going to start 1090 01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:50,439 question other organizations, powerful organizations. Well you must have known about this, 1091 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:56,119 you know, And and this is going to start something really big rolling. 1092 01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:59,319 So I mean, I've got to look at it both ways. And I'm 1093 01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:00,520 not a I'm you know, I don't think any one of us are an 1094 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:05,479 expert. You know, whatever line of inquiry you have within the UAP or 1095 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:11,279 UFO study area of study. I don't think any of us are, but 1096 01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:15,359 we have an awareness and understanding of the phenomena and it is fascinating, I 1097 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,439 think because this has given us all hope, hope that someone has, you 1098 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,920 know, let things out and feels that the public need to know the truth. 1099 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:28,399 But will we get that truth once again? We may come round to 1100 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,199 a part like on the X Files, where Molder and Scully have the evidence, 1101 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,560 they've got it, and then the last part it's all gone. It's 1102 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:41,560 disappeared that what they thought they had has been changed to something that most people 1103 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,600 will then accept us truth. So you know, we're seeing this wheel going 1104 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,960 around again. So I do feel sorry for David Grush. I mean, 1105 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:56,960 I would like and hope to believe that his intentions are admirable. But there 1106 01:19:57,079 --> 01:20:00,520 is a part where other people will now start coming in and will bring him 1107 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,479 down. I've already had a look today and there's a lot of stuff coming 1108 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:09,000 out saying that they're not taking his account seriously and it's a load of old 1109 01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:13,079 rubbish, you know, this type of thing. But you know, why 1110 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:17,159 would he come out with this? And of course and he's there and we're 1111 01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:20,960 not just talking about a major or general here or someone in that kind of 1112 01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:25,960 like link with a new asability. We're talking about someone who is even above 1113 01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:30,479 the Pentagon, who has these or able to have a clear at these top 1114 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,600 secret clearance levels that we the public would never be could ever dream of. 1115 01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:41,039 So I think it's very interesting and I think it's fascinating, and you know, 1116 01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:44,039 most of us are just sitting back and watching the show as it were, 1117 01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:46,600 and seeing what happens, what comes out. We's all. That's all 1118 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:51,960 we can do. I Drew Parallels actually with him and Bubb Lazar actually because 1119 01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:59,399 because David said in his interview that unfortunately, some people researching on these projects 1120 01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:03,399 trying to establish, you know, how they're working these devices. UFO's craft 1121 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:09,560 called them what you will have unfortunately died in their services because of you know, 1122 01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:15,560 they've somehow being killed accidentally during the course of their investigations. And that 1123 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:24,000 reminded me back to when Bobb Lazar said he was recruited by a Espore or 1124 01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:29,239 whatever they were called, so they dreamland Area fifty one area because he was 1125 01:21:29,279 --> 01:21:34,279 recruited to replace a guy that are being killed investigating a UFO back then. 1126 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,399 Yeah, So that kind of drew a parallel to me, and I thought, 1127 01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:42,720 oh, that's interesting. So Bobb lazare it does sound like Bob Lasar's 1128 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:47,720 story as it is credible. That Yeah, I just think that what Grush 1129 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:53,760 has said compared to Lazar, there are differences of opinion. Obviously that he 1130 01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:59,000 that Lazar states that he worked on back engineering this technology and Grush is saying 1131 01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,399 that we haven't been able to replicate that. It could be that he was 1132 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:06,880 only privy to certain parts of information and that not all of it. Because 1133 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,760 I respect that completely most definitely. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, I think 1134 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,279 I think Zar was basically, from my understanding, they were trying to understand 1135 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:24,640 how it all worked and they were breaking it down to its bear components. 1136 01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:29,560 Yes, I don't think he. I don't think he said they'd built anything 1137 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:35,159 from anything, although they were managing to test fly some of the craft they 1138 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:41,159 had recovered, but they hadn't made their own craft independently as a resol of 1139 01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:44,840 it. I don't think they'd got that far at that point. Reminds me 1140 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:49,199 of the series called Taken and I've got that Steven Spielberg, and there was 1141 01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:51,800 this one part with the US military had one of these alien crafts. They 1142 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,520 brought in these psychic twins ladies to try and use their minds to it, 1143 01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,880 and then the next thing you saw them dead. So I think that this 1144 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,399 happens to a lot of the people. They're getting involved with this type of 1145 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,039 phenomena, you know, so it's like, oh, good Lord, here 1146 01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,239 we go again. Yeah, you're going to get your fingers burnt from some 1147 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,840 something. If it's not the earth people burning your fingers, it's the aliens 1148 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,880 in some way. Which actually brings me to the point where he said that 1149 01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:23,640 these creatures or aliens or pilots that someone asked, has anyone ever come to 1150 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:29,159 harm and he said, yes, yes, some of them have killed human 1151 01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:32,119 beings, correct, And I thought, now that's very interesting, spooky, 1152 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:38,000 scary. You know. He didn't say who they were, but I mean 1153 01:23:38,039 --> 01:23:43,319 we've heard stories about reptilians killing people, that kind of thing, the human 1154 01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:46,720 mutilations. I mean, this is stuff that we've all known and your apologists 1155 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,600 for years, through all the various books, but it's now just coming simmering 1156 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:57,439 through to the public consciousness, you know. And I don't know, I 1157 01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,760 don't know what they're going to make of it, but we've kind of known 1158 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,199 a lot of this stuff over the years. Yes, we have. And 1159 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:04,359 it's not just the love and like nature of contact. It's also the other 1160 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:09,319 side that has to be addressed, that must be addressed. You know, 1161 01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:12,960 I've had some people that believe in this is this is going to create a 1162 01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:16,079 huge divide because we find ourselves as research as being attacked by those who see 1163 01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:20,439 these beings. There's nothing more than benevolent in nature. I'm not disagreeing with 1164 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:25,840 that, but what I will say to you is that the aspects that we've 1165 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,159 been dealing with, most notably myself, has been a darker area and there 1166 01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,319 are reasons behind that, even if most people don't want to acknowledge that as 1167 01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:38,800 fact. We have to be open to all forms of speculation when we're investigating 1168 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,399 some of You can't just be hoodwinked in one idea and one idea only in 1169 01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,159 That's it a tunnel visioned I can't see anything else. No, you can't 1170 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:53,000 do that. That was interesting and quite spooky as well. So what's your 1171 01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:57,760 expectations for the future. We've the down balloons over Canada and objects being shot 1172 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,479 out in the sky. Now this gentleman's now come forward with his accounts. 1173 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,600 Do you think, like you say, that is open up a can of 1174 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,920 ones, And in the next few months we're going to get other people bravely 1175 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:14,840 stepping forward with their stories. Hard to say, Neil, as I said, 1176 01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:18,640 I we've been here before, down this road so many times, even 1177 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:26,000 with the release of the information from the Pentagon, from the Office of Special 1178 01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:30,039 Investigations, you know, with the regards to the UAP phenomena, and that's 1179 01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:32,720 gone all quiet, you know, So I don't know, well they closed 1180 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,119 this all up. I don't know. The US intelligence seems quite strong and 1181 01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:40,000 powerful. I mean, if it's either a make a break situation, we 1182 01:25:40,079 --> 01:25:45,319 don't know. I just hope that more people step forward for David and to 1183 01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,199 categolically state for the record that these things are real and that we know that 1184 01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:53,319 for a fact. But you know, it's it's time for us to know 1185 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,840 the truth. This will open up so much more for us, not only 1186 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,680 terms of who we are and what we represent and not the Sun School version 1187 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,119 that we've been programmed to believe in. It's time now for us to wake 1188 01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:06,439 up. It's time for us all to share this information and work together as 1189 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:11,800 opposed to separate. You know, no one has exclusive rights to the phenomena, 1190 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,840 you would think, but there are some people who feel that they have 1191 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:20,880 they needed or are we being protected from a terrible secret. That's another thing 1192 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,199 that we need to take into a consideration. Are they doing it for our 1193 01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:29,680 own safety and to keep us away from that horror? Sounds dramatic, but 1194 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,840 we have to consider that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, oddly enough, 1195 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:39,479 former was obviously looking at the Internet tonight and seeing the Daily Stars version 1196 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,840 of this story, and they had got one of these little photographs of a 1197 01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:48,039 crashed saucer, you know, supplied by a photo agency or something, but 1198 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:51,279 it's still said at the bottom. As I was going through the Daily Stars 1199 01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,840 thing break in news, it said at the bottom of the web page, 1200 01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:00,960 al Pacinos seventy eight has become a father in And it's like, oh my 1201 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:03,840 god, you know, the breaking news of the day. So even we're 1202 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:10,600 still attracted to the Hollywood gossip above these recovered surcers stories, well, so 1203 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,399 the Daily Star thing that we're interested to find this out. I mean, 1204 01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:16,359 I couldn't give two who's about al Pacino begoing a father But it's like, 1205 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,680 oh my god, can't they just drop that kind of ankle yeah, so, 1206 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:25,760 I mean that's you know, that is the thing breaking news is this 1207 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,239 revelation. They're not interested. They want their toy town plastic world programmed. 1208 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,680 You know, units that are there, us humans they see is just to 1209 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,359 you know, go about our business and not ask any questions. Oh my 1210 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:41,880 god. It's such a goddamn nightmare, isn't it. It's just crazy. 1211 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:47,000 But we I think we're in for exciting times. Most definitely good stuff. 1212 01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:51,039 Well, thank you for joining us on the Paranormal peep Show and thank you. 1213 01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:56,279 We'en busy working on some books, haven't you So there any due at 1214 01:27:56,359 --> 01:28:00,960 the moment. Well, I've got Terrestrial Trespassers coming out in February twenty twenty 1215 01:28:00,039 --> 01:28:03,319 four. I'm working on two other books at the moment. They're slow going, 1216 01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:08,760 but we're getting there on us. Yeah, excellent, excellent what We 1217 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,520 look forward to that and we look forward to hearing more episodes of Twin Souls 1218 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:17,319 we yourself and Ronnie every month on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. It's always 1219 01:28:17,319 --> 01:28:20,479 a great listen, so for anyone that also listens to us, listen to 1220 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:27,039 Philip and Ronnie on Twin Souls Radio, which is always interesting to listen to 1221 01:28:27,079 --> 01:28:30,720 the guests you have and always fascinating stuff. But thank you once again Philip 1222 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,720 for join us on this exciting revelation has come true and we'll all stay glued 1223 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:39,479 to our screens. I guess you bet well, you know, you know, 1224 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,279 we'll all be first in line. It'll be like a scene from Close 1225 01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:45,319 Encounters at the end. I just wish that all the upologists were there to 1226 01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:48,600 see it, to be able to touch it and explore it and examine it. 1227 01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:53,319 That would be anyone's dream. But that is just at the moment of 1228 01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,760 dream. Yeah, as I said in part one, I wonder what the 1229 01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,560 late Stanton Freedman. Yeah, oh yes, bless his heart. Well, 1230 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,159 I'm sure he's making something of it now over on the other side, so 1231 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,600 we'll have to wait to ask him that question. Yeah, absolutely, all 1232 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,119 right, Well, thank you once again Philip, and join us next month 1233 01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:15,960 on the Paranornal Peep Show on the Paranornal UK Radio Network. Well, we'll 1234 01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:20,880 have our guest talking about the Apollo moon Lands. Were they real or were 1235 01:29:20,960 --> 01:30:03,560 they? 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