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I've got more important things to worry 11 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:21,759 about. You can't let it go, and you can't figure out how they 12 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:26,759 bought all the things, But they can't filter out the man is from the 13 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:32,759 nonsense now sitting here with fifty bottles against show me all the blue trinks, 14 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:46,079 my cocker dark. There's not to make the li's not the reason why never 15 00:04:46,360 --> 00:05:02,160 mind the passers by. Everything then do is destructive. Everything you are is 16 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:11,279 kind of productive. All your systems is the function transugation through destruction. The 17 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,959 first by translating it up. I don't hand drinking at the time. I 18 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:23,319 can't plan a home and everything gods, said Tiger pan Stick, following in 19 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:29,040 a lot of the welcome back all he's coming until a brain. I used 20 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:34,079 to be happy. I used to be break my person time passt can't find 21 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:40,319 my back. That is well, baby back KILLIFI of defenses every night, 22 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,279 I know I do what I need. Christas time, the preast planks for 23 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:55,319 all the first spend me that rending I bring wasster my head to my back, 24 00:05:55,879 --> 00:07:13,720 doctors, Si Tiger Pastick. The views expressed on this program by its 25 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:18,120 guests do not necessarily reflect the views or reliefs of the host Podial Network. 26 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:25,439 This program's sole intent is to help educate the foster critical debate, and help 27 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,720 raise and discuss political and social issues which already exist in the public domain. 28 00:07:31,199 --> 00:08:01,240 Thank you join the program. Welcomelys and John, and welcome to this week's 29 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,439 edition of The Sunday Wire. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson. We're a 30 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:09,240 streaming out live on the Alternate Current Radio Network and also at twenty first century 31 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:13,319 y dot com. Thank you so much for joining us for episode four hundred 32 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,800 and sixty one of this weekly omnibus news and analysis program again brought to you 33 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,040 here on ACR. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a really fantastic show lined 34 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,000 up for you today. I've got a very special guest we're gonna have a 35 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,480 really good conversation with. We're gonna be talking with author Jay Dyer Jason Ben 36 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,440 on this program many times before over the years, and we're gonna have a 37 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,919 long conversation with them in depth, deep dive into not just Ukraine, but 38 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,240 how the CIA, how the clandestine intelligence services and history in the West have 39 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:54,240 used religion in order to infiltrate and to steer events geopolitical events during wartime and 40 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:00,200 during the Cold War, etc. And how this relates specifically to what's going 41 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,039 on in the Ukraine. Now. You probably read and heard about the split 42 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:09,799 in the Orthodox Church and the fact that Zelenski's declared war on the Ukrainian Orthodox 43 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:15,360 Church and seizing churches and keeping people from worshiping. It's an unbelievable story and 44 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:20,679 it's pretty much been ignored largely anyway by the Western mainstream media. So we're 45 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,519 gonna do a little deep dive into that with Jane. It'll be quite a 46 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:28,120 good history lesson as well. There's a lot of things to unearth there, 47 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,879 a lot of interesting things. So that's going to happen in a few minutes. 48 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,679 We'll go to Break and we'll put that together for you. But in 49 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,679 the meantime, let's just have a quick look at what happened this week. 50 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:45,440 I mean, really unbelievable. This Pentagon leak story just kind of encapsulates so 51 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,440 much. We talked about it last week when it was breaking. It gave 52 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:54,200 a little short program we did for East or Sunday last week. This is 53 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:56,360 interesting how this shaped up towards the end of the week. And this is 54 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,919 the way I look at it. And I said my position on this last 55 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,720 week pretty much the same thing now, And I'm more or less said the 56 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,879 same thing during the programs on TNT during the week. And look what I 57 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:20,320 find interesting here is how the New York Times and Belling Cat we're hunting down 58 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:26,200 this leaker. They're hunting down the leaker. They supposedly Belling Cat. You 59 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,600 know, we know all about Belling Cat. It's supposed to be an independent 60 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:35,000 investigation group. It's an extension of the Western Intelligence Apparatus. Okay, I 61 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,000 think now this is perfectly clear. All the proof we needed for that has 62 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,679 now been revealed this week with these Pentagon leaks and belling Cat. They used 63 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:50,279 to use them to fit up cases against the Russians, whether it's MH seventeen 64 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:58,559 or literally fabricating CGI images and doctoring what they call open source evidence things on 65 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,279 the Internet. And they did that with the Duma chemical attack, and that 66 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:05,639 was the last time that belling Cat was really drafted in to douce, you 67 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,240 know, a heavy a fairly heavy job of trying to make a case to 68 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:18,000 demonize or to implicate Syria or Russia. That's their sole focus is to is 69 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,240 for the governments in the West to use belling Cat to provide quote evidence or 70 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,639 to quote make a case against Russia and Syria. Mainly, that's their main 71 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,080 that's that's their sort of their number one function. And then the mainstream media 72 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,080 will then use belling Cat as their source for the evidence for the said narrative. 73 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,519 So that's pretty much what they've done. Now they went they laid low 74 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:46,759 after script Al because I think they kind of exposed themselves putting out some pretty 75 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,279 dodgy photographs and things like that. The way they try to implicate the so 76 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:58,799 called Novochuk poisoners. Obviously there's more to that story than probably will ever know, 77 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,159 and it probably has something you can do with a behind the scenes battle, 78 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,840 clandestine battle between British intelligence, Western intelligence and Russia as well. But 79 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,840 it played out in the script attle of fair in public of course, and 80 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,080 we got a narrative, and we'll never know what happened to Sergey scrip alan 81 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,279 Uli a script al. They just disappeared off the face of the earth, 82 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,159 no explanation needed, and then no evidence that there was a deadly chemical weapon 83 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:30,559 called Nova chalk on British soil, more likely fentanyl poisoning, as per the 84 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:35,120 initial reports that came out on the hospital the medical website at the time. 85 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:41,000 Those of you who watched that story are familiar with the actual chain of events. 86 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:48,120 But and suddenly Bellingcat was drafted back into service again with these Pentagon leaks, 87 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:54,639 and as if by magic, it was Bellingcat who discovered the documents came 88 00:12:54,759 --> 00:13:01,000 from a gamer discord server, And it just so happens that Bellingcat recruits gamers. 89 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,919 So they recruit gamers as their remote working troll force and what they call 90 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,519 their visual investigators. Okay, so their little team that goes and scours the 91 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,799 internet for evidence. Once they get their clues sent to them by HQ, 92 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,840 they send the kids off, the gamers off to find the evidence. So 93 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,679 there's all sorts of things going on. They're doc seeing, hacking, all 94 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,279 sorts of things. Okay, we can't see all that from our point of 95 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,559 view, but we just told trust the process. So here they are basically 96 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:37,039 playing tour guide for the New York Times in the mainstream media, providing the 97 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:46,600 actual providing the actual basis of the entire narrative of this bellingcap. So isn't 98 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,320 that amazing how that worked out? And so now the story's all about the 99 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,360 twenty one year old airman first class who supposedly dropped these jpeg images on the 100 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,799 discord server of these daily briefings, intelligence briefings that were highly embarrassing to the 101 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:07,720 US government. Now, what's the real story behind this? We'll probably never 102 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:13,039 know, although I guarantee you it'll be different when the trial happens. There'll 103 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,519 be lots of new information that wasn't in the initial game set match, you 104 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,639 know, judge, jury and executioner. Mainstream MEDA reporting on this including witness 105 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,080 statements, statement of intent, motive. It's like case closed anyway. This 106 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,759 poor guy's probably not going to get a fair trial anyway because it's all been 107 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,600 done and dusted in the media. But that was by design, that's the 108 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:41,080 way they wanted to do it. And the whole point of this is now 109 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,919 Americans and everyone else are obsessing over this. This twenty one year old as 110 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:54,240 the right wing, you know, gun enthusiast Christian Orthodox caricature. He's been 111 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:01,200 profiled and it's all about his clearance and the technical jargon of could could that 112 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,120 person at that rank have the right clearance? Why these secret documents being given 113 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,120 to these young people whatever, That's that's the rabbit hole that they wanted the 114 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:15,360 public to go down. Why so nobody's actually looking at the actual information, 115 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:22,480 and that's the whole point, The actual information that is said to be valid, 116 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,200 aside from one manipulation that turned up on Twitter that looks like it was 117 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:33,159 probably done by the group that we just mentioned. But anyway, no one's 118 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,919 talking about the documents and the implication of what's in them and what the motive 119 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,240 of the league. If it was a setup, which it looks like it 120 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,960 was, a setup. It makes sense because they would profile if this, 121 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:50,480 They would know this guy's proclivities. This this young twenty one year old who's 122 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:56,399 an IT, you know, information specialist handle or whatever his role was. 123 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,240 They would have known his m O and so he would have been marked as 124 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:06,720 someone who could be used. Because again, once the event happens, once 125 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,600 the perpetrators identified, then the entire media coverage and the conversation shifts to the 126 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,639 person to the person, to what they're like, what their political affiliations might 127 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,159 be. That becomes the story, not the actual leak. And that's the 128 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,320 intention of it. So the League did its job. It got out there. 129 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:29,440 It allowed the government to pivot on the so called Spring Offensive, which 130 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:33,720 we find out the Ukrainian armies not ready for and they're under equipped, etc. 131 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,240 So that's that was the purpose. What it looks like pretty sure, 132 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,320 that's the purpose of this stuff being fed to this young boy who put it 133 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,399 on the Discord server and then it was magically discovered after sitting there for over 134 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,759 two months or something like that, or a month or so. There's some 135 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,519 documents that they said we're sitting up there since late January. Some of them 136 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:03,919 were more recent okay, But the point is it allowed a conversation to happen 137 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,680 in the media about how badly the war's going and how the Ukraine don't look 138 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,440 like they have a chance of winning any military victory. It allowed that conversation 139 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:19,480 to happen without a US politician or military figure coming out to say that publicly 140 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:25,599 and then getting derided, attacked, slammed, and then the media reaction would 141 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:30,039 have been completely uncontrollable. Whereas with these controlled leaks, it's all been very 142 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,440 as you can see, it's all been very well stage managed, including bringing 143 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:41,559 in the intelligence asset Bellingcat to help to do the sheep hurting with the press 144 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,160 and to create the narrative that oh, this just kind of magically appeared on 145 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:51,640 a gamer server. So I mean, it's very well constructed, the whole 146 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,559 operation. But the point is, again, the point is to put uncomfortable 147 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:03,200 information out into the public with any politician having to own it, but allowing 148 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:07,839 for an off ramp for policy to pivot or a policy change, and that 149 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,920 policy change looks like it's going to happen, and so they needed a soft 150 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:17,000 landing, a little bit of a mattress to jump on here and that's what 151 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,440 the league provides. So and normally if you look at politicized leaks and major 152 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:29,200 leagues, these things don't just happen. These things are they're made to be 153 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,960 highlighted, they're made to be focused on. The media could have easily ignored 154 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,160 it. If it was something that they didn't want to put any focus on. 155 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,920 They could have just said insignificant old daily briefings, Yeah we knew all 156 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,480 that, and just call around and tell O the press to gaslight it. 157 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:51,039 And it turns out that's what they did. Afterwards, they got the mainstream 158 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:56,160 press in America to agree not to report or show the documents even after they're 159 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,200 widely circulated online. So total media control, press control with the government. 160 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:07,519 That's disturbing. Nobody's talking about that. That's unprecedented. So something in the 161 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,640 public interest, very much in the public interest, not just the US, 162 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,640 but the European public and also the Ukrainian public, something in their public interest 163 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,680 gets completely blackholed. So this is interesting. So now we have the press 164 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:26,559 as part of the global security state. It's part of the military industrial complex. 165 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,319 It doesn't want the people to know how public money is being spent on 166 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,400 a losing proxy. War halfway across the world. That's costing hundreds of thousands 167 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,440 of lives on the Ukrainian side and many many lives on the Russian side as 168 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,640 well. It's costing the Western public untold billions of dollars per week, and 169 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,519 it's putting people in fuel poverty throughout Europe because of the spike in energy, 170 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,400 electric and gas, etc. So there's a lot of public interest in this, 171 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:03,680 but the media of now decided it's they're going to try to curtail the 172 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,960 debate, kind of muffle the muffle the subject matter, and start focusing on 173 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:17,799 this weird in cell right wing troubled soldier who had a hungry complex. They 174 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:21,359 saying he was hungry for power. He wanted to show off to his fellow 175 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,359 gamers in this private twelve person chat group how powerful he was. Do you 176 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:33,240 see the level of gaslighting here. They've taken this relatively insignificant, low level 177 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:44,720 military employee and now accusing him of wielding power in a twelve person discord chat 178 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:48,519 group. Half of them are and on stock puppets, if not all of 179 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,640 them, And so that's, according to the press, wielding power. Meanwhile, 180 00:20:52,680 --> 00:21:00,480 the contents of the actual document show you the absolute galactic abusive power by 181 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,720 US, NATO, NATO, Allies, Britain, etc. Abuse of power, 182 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:12,240 and also just the huge propaganda whitewashing operation on this. You see how 183 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:18,519 they flipped it is. This is all very very carefully managed, and most 184 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,920 people either don't get it or don't want to get it because because if they 185 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:29,400 get it, then there it's incumbent upon them to kind of take an opposing 186 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,640 position to the government on it, the Western government. So it's not a 187 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,279 question of, you know, the moral argument of whether this is a just 188 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:41,039 war or not. The point is the US government, Western government has been 189 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,079 lying to their own public for the last thirteen months. That's the whole point 190 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:49,119 of the league should be the point of league. That's the press should be 191 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:53,359 reporting it, because the press have been a party to that whole system of 192 00:21:53,480 --> 00:22:00,000 lies as well. But they're avoiding it. They're even avoiding showing the documents, 193 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,319 even if they're circulating already in public, even though they're out of date, 194 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,559 even though there's nothing in there that the Russians don't already know. Therefore, 195 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:18,079 in terms of strategic value, there's none on the battlefield, but there's 196 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,720 a lot of political capital tied into it. There's a few pieces of disinformation 197 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,039 in there, but they could just very well be the usual flotsam and jetsam 198 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,519 of what the intelligence community might put in their daily briefings in order to propagandized 199 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:37,039 politicians who might be reading it. For instance, one of potential piece of 200 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:45,720 misinformation wartime intentional misinformation might be and I'm not saying I would know the medical 201 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:52,759 condition of the Russian president, but this rumor that's been circulating in US media 202 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,519 for the last year that Putin's dying of cancer and that he could die any 203 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,839 day now, he's getting chemo treatment, et cetera. Whether that's true or 204 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,519 not, who knows. Could be true, might not be true. By 205 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,400 the same token, could be true for Joe Biden as well, And if 206 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,920 it was, would you be told about it? Probably not, for why 207 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,920 national security reasons. There you go, I rest my case. So what's 208 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,160 news, what's not news, what's important, what's not important. That's why 209 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,599 you listen to the show as we try to parse this out for you, 210 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,599 so you have some understanding of what you're looking at, but you don't need 211 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,559 to look any further than the EU. They're in pain. Europe's in pain. 212 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:42,720 Germany has become a doormat for the United States. It's sad, and 213 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:47,720 so I feel for the German people. I've spoken to some Germans recently, 214 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:55,279 and I sympathize for them because they've been actually taken to the cleaners in such 215 00:23:55,319 --> 00:24:02,000 a massive way, and it's sad. So Ukraine EU backers are skeptical of 216 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:06,480 the counter offensive. Well, there it is, there it is. This 217 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:11,480 is Bloomberg News claiming that hopes have been dampened thanks to these leaks. You 218 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,119 see, you see how that works exactly as I explained it last week, 219 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:21,359 and as I reiterated this week, some of these EU countries have been supporting 220 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:26,279 Ukraine with tons and tons of money, money they can't afford to support it 221 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,480 with sending them their weapons, to the point where these European countries have empty 222 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,200 stockades, they have no tanks, they have no air defense, where Russia 223 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:40,960 could march right to Berlin right now with very little resistance. And but but 224 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:48,079 but suddenly, after thirteen months, they're beginning to doubt whether Kiev can recapture 225 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:53,319 large swaths of territory in twenty twenty three. So now they've written off the 226 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720 whole of twenty twenty three. Isn't this interesting? Son? And here I 227 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:03,400 quote, even modest advance would likely result in heavy casualties among Ukrainian personnel. 228 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,680 What do you think's happening in back moot right now? That's exactly what's been 229 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,599 happening. And they haven't been reporting on it. They haven't been reporting on 230 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,880 it because it would have hurt their war effort, the very thing they're backpedaling 231 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,240 on right now. And that just shows you what a farce this whole thing 232 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:30,279 has been from day one. That's all this shows amazing. Oh, here 233 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,880 we go the caveat Ah. Ukrainian personnel would require considerable amounts of ammunition hardware 234 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,880 in order to keep the fight going. So you see, they've got two 235 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:48,519 options here. One is winded down, sue for peace. The second is 236 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,640 keep going. The second is use this leak, use this bad news, 237 00:25:52,160 --> 00:26:00,200 use this story of underequipped, underresourced Ukrainian forces. Use that to drum up 238 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,039 more support for weapons, more money for a little while longer. You see, 239 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,640 even though there's no prospect of winning, what would you do if you 240 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,119 were in charge, If you had a brain, and you were a president 241 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,000 or prime minister of your country and someone said, you know, show some 242 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:21,519 team spirit for Ukrainian more tanks, weapons, a few hundred more billion for 243 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,240 the next four months, please please, you know, just they still want 244 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,200 to fight, they'll brave. Ukrainians still want to fight. And while that 245 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:33,119 may be true, how stupid of a strategy is that when in the same 246 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,079 document and the same statements they're saying that, but ultimately it doesn't look like 247 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,039 they'll be able to regain lost territory. Well, what would you do if 248 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,160 you were in charge and someone told you those two things, Well, of 249 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,440 course you're gonna say, well, why waste the hundreds of billions, why 250 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:53,200 waste the weapons? Why why see another twenty or thirty thousand dead Ukrainian soldiers? 251 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,079 Why not just stop now and negotiate for peace. Doesn't that make sense? 252 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,240 Isn't that the common sense thing to do if you were in charge, 253 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,799 if you were given the reigns of power, if you're a statesman, isn't 254 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,799 that what a statesman would do? Isn't that what your diplomats would do? 255 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,720 But we don't have statesmen. But we don't have diplomats. They're gone, 256 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:22,359 they left the room. No one's seen them. For ages where are the 257 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,880 statesmen? Where are the diplomats, because they surely haven't shown up for the 258 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:33,839 Ukrainian farrago. I don't see them, nobody's seen them. Where are they? 259 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:38,240 We see them in China? China, the diplomats are in the ascendancy. 260 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,720 They're running point, They're they're signing peace deals left the right, in 261 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:49,640 center, joint cooperation deals. Russia's got their diplomats internationally shuttling back and forth. 262 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,000 What about America? What are they saying? Where's Tony Blinkin on this? 263 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,400 Where is any plans? Is? What's the strategy? I guess it's 264 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,680 just keep sending weapons and cross your fingers and hope there's enough for Ukrainian soldiers 265 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:12,200 to see out the final months of twenty twenty three. That's not a strategy. 266 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:23,240 Shame on Americans, Shame on anybody in the UK, in Europe, 267 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:29,599 in Natostan. That's your strategy. Just through keep throwing money and weapons for 268 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,319 the rest of the year, even though there's no military victory to be had 269 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:41,720 in Ukraine, even though you admit that the fantasy that Zelenski is going to 270 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:49,119 march into Crimea, into Sevestopol, like you know, victorious through the Arc 271 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:56,119 de Triomphe of Duniesk and Lugans. It's not going to happen either. They're 272 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:03,559 not going to march on Mariopol and liberate Mario saved the Russians from the Russians 273 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:10,400 in Mariopo. It's not going to happen. That's fantasy and did over the 274 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,160 other Oblasts. It's not going to happen. So what's the plan. What's 275 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,440 the plan? Oh, keep going, they say, keep going, just 276 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,240 a bit longer, just a bit longer. The Ukranes are putting up a 277 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,799 brave fight. We need to we need to push them to fight more, 278 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,799 Yes, sir, But what about the casualty numbers? Well, well, 279 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,079 they they want to fight. It's their war, it's not our war. 280 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,400 But we were paying for it. We're financing it, We're providing all the 281 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,240 weapons and the satellite targeting information, and we're doing all the spying for them 282 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,960 and the reconnaissance. And by the way, we admit that we have special 283 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:49,279 forces. United States of America has Special Forces troops on the ground and a 284 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:57,400 combat capacity in Ukraine now. And it's also been alluded to, and if 285 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:04,319 not admitted, at least implicitly, that Britain has the same and they have 286 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:11,640 for a very long time, more for most of the most of the duration 287 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,000 of this conflict. Okay, but that's been admitted in these leagues, you 288 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:21,000 see, because a politician couldn't say that publicly. But it's okay, it's 289 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,680 in the leagues. It's been drifted out. It's now implicitly understood. So 290 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:32,319 the difficult pill could be sugarcoated and swallowed nicely without having to shove it down 291 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:37,400 anyone's throats. So no politician has to own that even though they're the ones 292 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,240 who are allocating the funding for it, they're the ones who are rubber stamping 293 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,599 these operations. This is how politics works, folks. You're getting a great 294 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,599 lesson. I wish this was the last lesson. I really do. I 295 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,640 wish this was it. I wish this was the last lesson, but it's 296 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,039 not. It's not going to be the last less and so it's up to 297 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:08,599 us to learn how these how Washington really works, How Washington really works. 298 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,200 Great title for a book that was actually the first US political science textbook, 299 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,119 and higher ed that that was given to me as a thin paperback. I 300 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,319 think it was probably published in nineteen eighty four something like that. It's called 301 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640 How Washington Really Works. That was one of the things that opened my eyes 302 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,880 and I realized, Ah, I was only eighteen or nineteen years old. 303 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:37,200 I cracked that book. It was given to me by my professor at the 304 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:42,599 time, and I'm very grateful he gave me that book. I still have 305 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,480 that book. I got a different copy of it because the other one I 306 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,799 was lost among the rest of the textbooks. But nonetheless very important little book. 307 00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:00,359 How Washington really works, how the West, Western politics really works, 308 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,240 and this is how it works. This is how it works. Let's take 309 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:09,160 a break here with our network and we will be back on the other side 310 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,000 with a very special guest author, Jay Dyer, author of Esso Tera Hollywood, 311 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,720 Jaysonalysis dot com. We're gonna have a great conversation. Looking forward to 312 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:24,720 it. We'll see on the other side. Does the consequence our freedom to 313 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:34,480 break the chains of history? Yes? Ask myself time and time again. 314 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:44,200 Am I to cause me fourth? Yesterday is truly old? Why does it 315 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:52,319 sometimes of a hold on me? Is the consequence of my freeom to find 316 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:59,200 the lights in the dark of me? Who is a scale? These? 317 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:04,839 While a reason to reach the top to see what's in front of me? 318 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:12,920 Yours? I look into little old mirror. I don't recognize eyes. What 319 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:22,200 I see covered and darkness, shackled by the chains of dark to me? 320 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:30,000 Yes, I ask myself time and tanking. Would am I to be? 321 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:38,839 Yes? I ask myself time and time again. Would am I to be? 322 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:05,799 Is the consequence of my freedom to break the chains of my history? 323 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:14,840 You're asking myself time and time again? Am I the unknown of me? 324 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:22,559 Four fistity is truly over? Why does it sometimes have hold on me? 325 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:31,159 Is the consequence of my freedom to find the light in the dark of me? 326 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,159 As I scale these wilds of reason to reach the top to see what's 327 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:46,800 in front of me, you're sillokin too, little mirror. I don't recognize 328 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:57,960 now what I see covering dars, checkered by the chains of dark cud to 329 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:06,039 me? You as I ask myself time and time again, would am I 330 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:14,559 to be? Yes? I ask myself time and time again, would a 331 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:37,400 mind to be? It is a scale out these wild's reason to reach the 332 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,360 south to see what's in front of me. Yes, I look into the 333 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:54,239 little mill now, I reckon that has what I see exact from darkness like 334 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:02,480 a cage bird. Us been free your s I ask you all to ask 335 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:12,400 yourselves what am I be? Yours? I ask you all to ask your 336 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:28,519 own selves what am I to be? A mouse who finds himself drowning in 337 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:35,519 a bucket of cream has two choices, drown or fight, so hardy curts 338 00:36:35,639 --> 00:37:00,840 that cream into butter Jerry and simply climbs out. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, 339 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,519 Welcome back to the Sunday Wire again. I'm your host, Patrick Kenningson, 340 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:08,760 will streaming out live on the Alternate Current Radio network and also at twenty 341 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,800 first Centurywire dot com. And now we've got a really special guest joining us 342 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,519 right now. Very pleased to be welcoming back to the program, author Jay 343 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,760 Dyer. His work is very well known, our listeners know him very well 344 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,760 over the years, and Jay has also guest hosted this program a number of 345 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,000 times. And we haven't spoke for a while, and there's a lot going 346 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:36,159 on in the world, and firstly I just want to welcome you to the 347 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,880 program. Jay. Thanks Patrick, glad to be back. Yeah. I 348 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,880 think it was maybe two years ago we spoke about some of the issues happening 349 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,360 in the Ukraine at that time that you know, sparked off today's topic, 350 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,119 I guess for the religious divisions that are going on there, which my view 351 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,000 are very much planned divisions. So I'm glad to be back. No thanks, 352 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,440 thanks for coming back. I mean, yeah, the world's in an 353 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,440 upheaval over this conflict, as you can imagine, and all sorts of things 354 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,440 have come out of it, and there's all sorts of games that are being 355 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:13,840 played on a European level within Ukraine itself, geopolitically globally as a result of 356 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,320 this. And I know one of the focuses that in your work anyway is 357 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,880 looking at the history of the CIA, the history of the deep state, 358 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:30,519 of clandestine covert activities and infiltraining into areas like Hollywood, entertainment, culture and 359 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:37,039 religion. And so this has become a kind of an interesting aspect of the 360 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:45,039 conflict in Ukraine. Is this religious aspect of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine's splitting. 361 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,880 And I know we've spoken about this previously, but we definitely benefit from 362 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,199 a recap from you, just to kind of explain how we got to this 363 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,559 point. And people regarding in the West Zelensky Ukraine, it's a democracy Russia's 364 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,320 an autocracy. That's the new schism. This is the new you know, 365 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,920 capitalism versus communism. Now it's autocracy versus democracy. And we must back the 366 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:17,440 democracy, the fledgling democracy in Ukraine and pushed back against the Russian autocrats. 367 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,920 And what we see in Ukraine is some people a little bit shocked at how 368 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,920 could first of all, this this split that happened in the Orthodox Church. 369 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,920 And then later we see President Zelenski's government almost banning or making illegal or restricting 370 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,920 the religious freedoms of one part of the Orthodox Church in that country. And 371 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,880 people are shocked because, uh, you know, freedom of worship, freedom 372 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,280 of religion shouldn't be a threat to a democracy. But yet this is what 373 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,880 we're seeing in Ukraine right now. But just give us a little a little 374 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,199 summary of how you looked at the story and from the beginning and where it 375 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,719 is now. Yeah, some of them this topic kind of accidentally. I 376 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,960 mean I always had these interests, you know, in the realms of history 377 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,840 and history of the church and theology, and then I also had separate interests, 378 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,440 you know, in terms of movies. And I think a lot of 379 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,239 us nowadays maybe we can understand the interests that the CIA would have and something 380 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,360 like a cult, you know, scientology or some sort of weird fringe thing 381 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,880 or something related to mind control Jim Jones. But um, you know, 382 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,800 when you get deep into this topic, you start to realize we actually there's 383 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000 an interest in any religion, and you know, in the history of religions 384 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,559 and their their relationship to the state, I think it's kind of a feature 385 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:40,079 of history that most of the time the state is very interested in religion. 386 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,039 They want to have an inroad, they want to be able to say what 387 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:50,079 the religion teaches, they want to control it in in some form or fashion. 388 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,360 We go back to you know, the early days the Christian Church. 389 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:58,880 We have the interests of various emperors who want to say, introduce new theology 390 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,400 in the first four or five sixth centuries. By the time of the seventh 391 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,679 century, we have a famous controversy called the Iconic class controversy, which deals 392 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,079 with the emperor basically at that time wanting to get rid of all art, 393 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,800 history and imagery in the Church, and that became a huge scandal. But 394 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,800 the reason I point to that is that it was mainly a state oriented control 395 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,320 mechanisms, So it was really the emperor that had the desire to do this. 396 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,480 Then when we get into the period in the Middle Ages, we see 397 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:34,280 a lot of the rise of the medieval papacy having a similar interest in wanting 398 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,599 to control, and in my view that the papacy really becomes a geopolitical power. 399 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:43,360 So even though it has a claim to being a religious a power, 400 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,360 it's more so shifting into a geopolitical power, particularly when we look at the 401 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,039 Renaissance period with those famous Borgias and you know, Alexander the six and these 402 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:57,360 kinds of characters that are basically commanding giant armies and so forth. So the 403 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,960 state has this you know, interest, and so the more that I delved 404 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,119 into this topic in terms of the twentieth century, we find this shocker. 405 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,119 It's no different. You know, when we look at the rise of the 406 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:14,039 Oss and the Cia, we find the early figures there were Roman Catholic. 407 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:20,039 Actually, so Bill Donovan eventually became a Roman Catholic and other famous CIA operatives. 408 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,679 For the most part, we're typically Roman Catholic. There were there were 409 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:30,159 some Episcopalians in there, but what they early on wanted to do was also 410 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,519 co opt and utilized religion as you can imagine, and I think prior to 411 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,639 that, in terms of the Western intelligence power structure, you could look at 412 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,719 a couple of entities like the Church of England. I mean, the Church 413 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:46,119 of England was not entirely an intelligence front, but in many ways we could 414 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:52,840 see a lot of Anglican missionaries and Anglican priests and ministers being really at various 415 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:58,280 times spies and functionaries of the British crown. So it's not going to be 416 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,199 any different when we come to the American Empire and how it functioned. And 417 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,679 in fact, there was a book I stumbled upon a couple of years ago 418 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:14,559 about how the Rockfeller family played a huge role in utilizing Protestant Evangelical missionaries primarily 419 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,280 at that time too. When they go into Latin America, in South American 420 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,440 countries or areas where there might be resources that are necessary, missionaries can can 421 00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:29,159 be very useful for soft power. They can be useful for cultivating, you 422 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,280 know, relationships with locals and even believe it or not, I know you 423 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:37,199 could imagine this, but sometimes missionaries are used for black operations, so that 424 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,320 they might be there for drug running or arms trapping or anything like that that 425 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,960 you could think of and then would you say, would you say that now 426 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,800 NGO's kind of fulfilled a little bit of that role right that the church used 427 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,159 to play. Yeah, although I do think that the role of religious figures 428 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,320 still plays into this. In fact, there were some hearings in the nineteen 429 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:05,480 nineties that Congress did looking into the usage of missionaries in varying capacities at spies. 430 00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:07,880 So this is even up into the nineties, still kind of a thing 431 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,719 that's known about and looked into and going on. And another book I came 432 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,000 across it was really good, I think, written by a guy who's a 433 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:20,800 former Soviet historian and analyst named Eric Wahlberg. He wrote a book called Postmodern 434 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,440 Imperialism, and he dealt a lot in that book with how religion is often 435 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:32,079 used by the imperial structure for various functions. Anyway, so getting up to 436 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:36,599 you know, where we are now, it's no surprise that we would see, 437 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:42,199 especially especially especially in the Cold War, a lot of these figures are 438 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,000 utilized. And there was a program that a couple guys came up without the 439 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:52,960 CIA, namely a guy named CD Jackson, working together with the Time magazine 440 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:57,360 Mogul Henry Luce. They came up with what they called the Doctrinal Warfare program, 441 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,000 and this was an idea where the the CIA would utilize the religions in 442 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:06,679 America, not just the Roman Catholic Church, but at that time mainly the 443 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,639 Roman Catholic Church. They had already kind of had their inroads into most of 444 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:15,599 the mainline Protestant denominations at that time that I'm speaking of the American inner deep 445 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:20,920 state power structure, so to speak. They were able to really move the 446 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,400 Roman Catholic Church into their sphere by a lot of compromise, by a lot 447 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,599 of co opting. And this is actually dealt with in a book I just 448 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:37,679 finished the other day about the Connection between Gladio, Organized Crime and the Mafia 449 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,760 by Paul Williams. This is a really good book. I knew about Gladio 450 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,679 and I knew about the overview of it, but this one into such detail 451 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,639 with its connection to the Vatican Bank and the P two mafia and Italy and 452 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,199 how Gladio was really setting up all of these cells across Europe and even in 453 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:59,159 Latin and South America, kind of on that Iran Contrada death squad model, 454 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880 and no in other words, that all connects into the religious realm. So 455 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,280 the CI had a huge interest, particularly through the character William Colby, in 456 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:12,639 setting up a special relationship with the Vatican at that time Pius the twelfth, 457 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,840 and the deal was basically, tens of millions of dollars will flow into the 458 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,239 Vatican Bank, but you're gonna be the clearinghouse. You're gonna be the money 459 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,480 laundering bank, because it's a super secret, you know, secret bank that 460 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,159 is not under the purview of the Italian state, right it's its own city 461 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,079 state. So that you can see how this becomes a perfect cover in that 462 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,679 case, for in the case the Vatican Bank for black operations and funding all 463 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,639 kinds of crazy things. But we can see the same pattern I'm saying with 464 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,880 the co opting of the Vatican, the Roman Collity Church even in the United 465 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,280 States, and some of these figures, the famous ones like Cardinal Cody and 466 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:58,119 a lot of people think Cardinal Spellman and these famous New York and Chicago figure 467 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,280 that they were actually recruited into the CIA. Uh. And this is this 468 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,679 is kind of famously well well known. Now we didn't know that at the 469 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,079 time, but this has kind of come out over time through various historians and 470 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:12,960 analysts. Long story short, this is par for the course, is what 471 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,280 I'm trying to say, So that the power structure, the deep say, 472 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:22,719 the intelligence apparatus, absolutely would like to utilize religious institutions as far as they 473 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,719 can, and if they could have total control, they would. And so 474 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,880 we see another great example of this at the time of the Cold War in 475 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:35,679 terms of Orthodoxy. And this will parallel where we are today when these recently 476 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,599 declassified documents from the oss were sent to the patriarch at the time of the 477 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,880 nineteen forties and fifties. At that time, I think his name was Athenagoras, 478 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:52,599 and Athenagoras was basically they sent it a cable directly to athenegors by Bill 479 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:57,920 Donovan in the OSSCI and it basically said, uh, you're going to do 480 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,599 what we want. And the patriarchs absolutely, I'm going to do what you 481 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,320 want. No, have no fears, I submit to you. Now this 482 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:09,840 is odd because in the Orthodox idea, the patriarchate and the bishops they're supposed 483 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,920 to be decentralized, that they're not supposed to be subservient to geopolitical powers. 484 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,119 Unfortunately, that's not actually the case, it doesn't operate that way, and 485 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,199 so we can begin to see that at the time of the Cold War, 486 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:27,400 what what the CIA was doing with the doctrinal warfare program in the US in 487 00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:31,480 terms of the Roman Catholic structure and trying to influence and get get in roads 488 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,320 into the Vatican, which they did achieve via William Colby and Price to twelve. 489 00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,159 They did the exact same thing in the Orthodox world with you know, 490 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,440 hey, come into our sphere. You know, we gotta fight against these 491 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,360 evil Soviets. They're the bad guys. And so they played a very kind 492 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,559 of you know, black and white manique and dialectic game of come on board 493 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:58,239 with us, and we'll defeat the evil Soviet Empire, not not realizing probably 494 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,679 that the new masters that you take on might even be worse than those other 495 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,119 masters. So in time, you know, your new masters really exact a 496 00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,480 heavy cost. And when we come up to the present day in the situation 497 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,920 the Ukraine, that's exactly what the OS or the CIA has done in the 498 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:20,199 State Department in this case with the patriarch in of Constantinople, who has really 499 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,519 been openly under the thumb of the State Department of this entire time. And 500 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:28,199 that's what we that's what we find out by public statements of the State Department, 501 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,960 Like they go the CIA goes and meets publicly with right, the patriarch 502 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,159 meets with Biden, goes and meets with him, right, And then you 503 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,599 get the basically the on Twitter when this fake Orthodox Church is created, you 504 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:50,119 get all these public accolades from the US Embassy, from the State Department congratulating 505 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,400 Ukraine and creating a new church and all and again it was who is the 506 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:00,039 current patriarch and constantinople? And is that regarded as a unified kind of the 507 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,400 doc's church? Is he the kind of the global of the of the hierarchy 508 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,519 globally? Would he be the top? And how does this system? So 509 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,360 here's the irony is that so of course an the Orthodox Church, it's it's 510 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:15,400 there's no pope figure rights, so the bishops are technically speaking equal. There 511 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:21,440 are certain canonical privileges that are given to important old patriarchs or patriarch it's of 512 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,960 really large jurisdictions. For example, the largest is Russia, right, So 513 00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:29,880 the Moscow patriarchy, that's the largest jurisdiction in all of orthodoxy. Um. 514 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,360 But if we go back to the Byzantine period, you know, the first 515 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,880 thousand years of Christianity, the patriarch Constantinople was given a lot of canonical privileges 516 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,400 in the councils next to the Pope of Old Rome. So you have New 517 00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:47,159 Rome, which is Constantinople, Old Rome, which is the papacy the pope. 518 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,199 Right, this is prior to the schism in ten fifty four between the 519 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:59,760 East and West. So really the only privileges that Constantinople, today's patriarch is 520 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,159 bar with all of you. They're just kind of old traditional privileges because there's 521 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,480 not a Byzantine empire anymore. You know, he has I think under his 522 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:12,360 jurisdiction a few thousand people, right, It's it's not that big, but 523 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,199 it has a lot of old kind of um. As we said, canonical 524 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:22,079 traditional privileges. But that doesn't really translate into today's world, of which which 525 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,400 Orthodox church or jurisdiction has the biggest number of people, which is by far 526 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:30,280 the Moscow patriarchy. So you can begin to see that from the vanished point 527 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:36,000 of the American security state. Hey, we want to have influence over well 528 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,159 whatever you know patriarchies we can, but particularly we want Constant to noble because 529 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:44,920 that's the oldest kind of honor privilege position in Orthodoxy. Since Rome is no 530 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,119 longer a part of Orthodox Christianity, if functions as a key way to put 531 00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:53,880 pressure obviously on Russian. So that's the key, that's the main point here. 532 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,559 And so prior to all of this, you know, invasion of twenty 533 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:07,599 fourteen with the coup in Crimea fostered by the last the Orthodox Church was had 534 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:12,039 a lot more influence in terms of the patriarchs. So the Jerusalem patriarch, 535 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,280 the Alexandrian patriarch, right the Russian sphere had a lot of influence, and 536 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:23,039 they that those patriarchs sided with Russia. And then as my friend Jim Jotras 537 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,760 has detailed and a lot of his work and a lot of his writings, 538 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,159 there's a lot of skull duggery that went into flipping these patriarchis now the supporting 539 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:37,800 Uncle Sam And so you know, we can imagine all manner of tricks were 540 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,920 used, right, the money you better do it or else, you know, 541 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,719 these kinds of things that we typically would expect. And the same thing 542 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,239 as I said that the reason I brought Roman Calory Church are the same things 543 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,119 we're done with the doctrinal warfare program in the Cold War to the Roman Calvary 544 00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,079 Church. It's just the same model that they're applying now to the Orthodox world, 545 00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,119 and they're saying, hey, go against evil Putin and the Moscow patriarch 546 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:04,320 it and if you do, you know you're going to get all these privileges 547 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,440 from Uncle Sam or perhaps even threats from Uncle Sam. Right, So that's 548 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,639 how they do it. They kind of flip these patriarch it's in important bishoprics 549 00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:15,360 to supporting Uncle Sam, which is exactly what they did in the Cold War 550 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,960 in nineteen forty four to Athenagorus, where they told him basically, you know, 551 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,800 hey, if you side with the USS, here's all these privileges. 552 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,039 If you don't, we might ruin you. You know. It's kind of 553 00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,320 that's the old mafia style tactic, right, like, hey, we got 554 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,480 all the blessings for you if you come on our side, and if you 555 00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:35,840 don't, you might not be alive next week, right, this kind of 556 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,480 a thing. So that's how it works. That's what's going on. And 557 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,360 another element to this that I should mention is that in the Ukraine, a 558 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,599 lot of influence and a lot of religious manipulation engineering have occurred in the last 559 00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:59,159 few decades, even prior to twenty fourteen, through institutions like Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism, 560 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:05,480 and what's called Uniatism, which is Eastern Christians who are under the pope, 561 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,119 so particularly Greek Uniates, and a lot of Unionism, especially in Ukraine, 562 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,800 is fostered and promoted by Jesuits. So the Jesuit universities in the United 563 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,239 States where we were figures like John Brennan, come right, Brennan comes out 564 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:29,000 of I think Fordham Fordham University is a major Jesuit institution, and these institutions 565 00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:34,280 are verifiably one hundred percent kind of on board with the CIA program. Going 566 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,559 back to this doctrinal warfare program from the nineteen fifties and sixties under the famous 567 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,920 American Jesuit John Courtney Murray. So basically that, as we said, the 568 00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:49,519 CD Jackson and Henry Luce, they had cooked up this doctrinal warfare program and 569 00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:54,599 they needed to recruit the most prestigious American academics and Jesuits right to really push 570 00:54:55,199 --> 00:55:00,599 the americanist agenda in the Roman Catholic Church, and they did that through figures 571 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,079 like John Courtney Murray and as I mentioned, other important cardinals. And so 572 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,920 that's the exact same program, the same attack vector that they're doing in the 573 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:15,760 Ukraine and have done for many years. Is that essentially the CIA utilizes Unionism, 574 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,960 utilizes Pentecostalism, evangelicalism, all of these institutions that could be used to 575 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,000 be anti Russia. Basically is the main point of this. And so part 576 00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:31,199 of attacking the Russian sphere of influence is not just geopolitically and Poroshenko and Zelenski 577 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:37,280 and controlling these people by also controlling the religious fere and splitting the Orthodox Church 578 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,000 right down the middle. And that's exactly what they did by ironically, here's 579 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,760 the great part that's so wild. The figure that they installed Denisenko to be 580 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,039 the new CIA patriarch, State department patriarch in the newly created Orthodox Church in 581 00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:59,199 Ukraine was already recognized as a phony by Bartholomew prior to this. So he 582 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,000 was the sort of character kind of starting his own thing, a defract guy 583 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,559 in the Orthodox world, literally the frock Bartholomew. The patriarch concept had already 584 00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:14,320 agreed that this is the Frock phony. Oh but Uncle Sam makes a few 585 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,480 phone calls and says, do this, do that. Now he's suddenly a 586 00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:22,159 new Orthodox cleric, and Bartholom he says he's going to be our Orthodox guy 587 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,679 in Ukraine. When the entire Orthodox world outside of Bartholomew already had recognized this 588 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,000 guy as a phony. Everybody kind of knew it, right, it's all 589 00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:39,199 mainstream news. Now he's the the new you know, State Department a guy 590 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,199 in Ukraine. So that that's how it works. Unfortunately, So now where 591 00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:51,800 how the latest chapter in this drama? Here Zelenski declares war on the enemy 592 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:58,360 within the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Kiev fears a Russian fifth column is operating inside 593 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,360 one of the country's oldest and most powerful institutions. So what a strange turn 594 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:09,119 things have taken here, Jay, what's going on? Well, well, 595 00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:14,840 this is exactly what the State Department wanted, and you know it's not It 596 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,880 doesn't take a PhD and this stuff to figure out. Like we said that 597 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,960 the pressures that were being kind of pushed and put on the Ukraine in twenty 598 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:29,280 fourteen with the coup would eventually lead to a schism, as I said Jim 599 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,360 Japtress had written an entire article that the CIA and State Department's goal in Ukraine 600 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,239 was to split the Orthodox Church down the middle. And so to do that, 601 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,480 you don't just need a new sort of made up fake patriarch, you 602 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:44,239 also need a new made up fake church. And so how do we get 603 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,760 that, Well, these is what it do is just seize them. So 604 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,119 just go in and take the churches that are already the canonically accept the churches. 605 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,519 Keep in mind that the rest of the Orthodox world, including Bartholomew, 606 00:57:55,239 --> 00:58:00,360 already recognized as just the normal Orthodox Church in Ukraine. So the best way 607 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,239 to do that is to seize it. A lot of monks and priests typically 608 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,400 can't just go seize it, although a lot of these new fake fake church 609 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,519 guys I actually do go out and beat up people. In fact, Dennisinko 610 00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:16,239 said that if you want to, if you're a priest and you want to 611 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,360 fight for the Ukrainian army against Russia, you have the blessing to do that. 612 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,880 Now that's odd because in Orthodox canon law, priests and bishops can't engage 613 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,920 in warfare. They can bless you know, the armies or troops or whatever. 614 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,199 But you're not supposed to go and fight, but in this case you 615 00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:36,599 can't. So it's again, it's all, it's all just it's really transparent 616 00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:38,039 if you kind of know the history of the Church, that this is just 617 00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:44,920 one percent a geopolitical puppet tool situation. So if we're not going to get 618 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,679 the priests and bishops to go to steal the Orthodox Church as well, we'll 619 00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,840 get the state too. And so that's essentially what Zelenski's there now to do 620 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,119 is to just co opt and steal the biggest ancient monasteries that are there, 621 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,000 steal the big churches, and that's what that's what he's been doing the last 622 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:04,159 couple of months. So outlaw the Orthodox Church, bannit the canonical Orthodox Church, 623 00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,880 and then just steal the churches. And this is nothing new either. 624 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,159 We've seen in the history of Christianity. This is the state has a tennessee 625 00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:14,800 to do this. For example, when Henry the eighth created the Anglican Church, 626 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,119 this is a very close parallel to what we see here. I'm not 627 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,519 Roman Catholic, but in England, right prior to Henry the eighth, you 628 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:27,960 have essentially the Catholic Church in England, and Henry the Eighth's you know, 629 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,800 he's influenced by some of the Protestant ideas, and he says, well, 630 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:36,199 why don't I just create the Church of England and I'll be the head of 631 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,079 the church. Right, forget this pope guy over in Rome. Let I'll 632 00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,800 be the head of the Church of England and it will be the church of 633 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,360 the British Empire, and I'll run and control that. And so what does 634 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,880 he do, Well, he goes and just seizes the Catholic churches right throughout 635 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:58,440 England. And great perfect parallel to what we see with Zelinski, except that 636 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,199 I'm not aware of Henry the Eighth being a tool of any other empire. 637 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,400 But in this case we have essentially Zelenski as a tool of you know, 638 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,400 the Western power block, the Atlantis's power structure. And so he's just been 639 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,320 emboldened and told ye, go take the monsters. And why would that be 640 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,760 surprising? And didn't it just come out I think the Seymour Hirsch just talked 641 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,599 about how well he's been skimming off like four hundred million anyway that we know 642 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,360 of, So not surprising that they would just go steal the churches it's it's 643 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,079 the Henry the eighth model. And so here's the I believe this is yes, 644 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:37,079 Metropolitan Pavel. He's saying, woe to you have fear, says the 645 01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:44,760 senior Orthodox bishop tells Zolenski, the Ukrainian president responsible for religious crackdown in Ukraine, 646 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:51,159 and so like fighting words here coming from the church leader there, And 647 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,840 what do you make of this? I mean, it's kind of pulling the 648 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,639 church into a really deep political place, isn't it, Where what choice do 649 01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,400 they have? They have to come out with very provocative statements like this, 650 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,719 and so it's kind of it's interesting and a little bit scary on one level. 651 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,360 What do you think about this? Yeah, Another parallel to the move 652 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:16,960 of Zelenski there is what we see the Bolsheviks doing when they first came to 653 01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:21,280 power in Russia. So the Bolsheviks did a very similar move where they just 654 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,840 basically went and seized churches, and their first approach was to just burn them 655 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,960 down because the early phases of the Bolsheviks, they were militant atheists, and 656 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,039 their approach was, well, if we just stamp out religion, then we 657 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,800 can, you know, sort of propel the revolution to the next phase and 658 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,519 the workers will rise up in this kind of thing. They didn't really work. 659 01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:42,920 It just led to a lot of death and destruction, the same kind 660 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,960 of approach that the French revolutionaries had in France, and so they decide, 661 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,159 well, a much better approach would be a sort of an infiltration or an 662 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:55,199 installing puppets type of approach. So by the time of Stalin we get that 663 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,760 with the Orthodox Church in Russia. I'm not saying it's all black and white 664 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,119 or that everybody was a fake. I'm just saying that the the NKBD Stalinist 665 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,800 model was we'll put people in who are amenable to us and kind of have 666 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,800 a church that sort of does its thing completely under the state, rather than 667 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:15,599 completely trying to stamp out religion. That's as it's a much more effective approach 668 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:20,000 for controlling people, what I'm trying to say. And so I think that 669 01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:25,280 you're going to get the same model here as well with the State Department CIA 670 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:30,760 approach to controlling and running religion in Ukraine. And it's unavoidable, I guess, 671 01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:34,880 because you know you're going to get people who are going to speak up 672 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,280 and say, you know, this is hypocrisy, it's it's it's it's crazy 673 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:44,119 because when we think of the West, where we typically are supposed to think 674 01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:50,360 of freedom of religion and free enterprise and neoliberal economics Lisa Fair, and we're 675 01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,760 we're told that it's all these promises of freedom. If you remember a few 676 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,880 weeks ago or maybe a month ago, right, wasn't Zelinsky on some video 677 01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,400 saying if you wanted to get a business, Hey, if you are ready 678 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:06,559 on bowling big business, come through Ukraine. We'll give you whatever the coca 679 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,440 cola. Right he was. He was giving the speech to the Black Row 680 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:15,360 come through Ukraine, uh, recruiting you know, the fortune one hundred to 681 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,599 come to Ukraine. So I watch, So this is about freedom, Well 682 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,000 that's now, it's not about freedom because if your Orthodox uh, your churches 683 01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,400 are stolen in your ban and your shut out, so it's all a facade. 684 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,519 It's not about religious freedom. It's about whatever is amenable to the interests 685 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:34,119 of uh, you know, Washington, to the Atlantis's power structure. And 686 01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:38,599 so I'm glad to see a lot of Orthodox bishops and people and ladies standing 687 01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:44,079 up and opposing it. But it's just very difficult to you know, fight 688 01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:52,679 against Uncle Sam ultimately with the weapons of religion, I guess pacifism and a 689 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,000 prayer and all that way. It's great. I'm not I'm not knocking that. 690 01:03:54,119 --> 01:04:00,119 It's just that, um, you know, they're they're not interested in 691 01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:02,280 that. They're interested in, you know, beating up and running the Orthodox 692 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:08,360 out and killing them and so what what what kind of how can this backfire 693 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:15,320 on Zelenski, on the Ukrainian government? Um, even with non Orthodox Ukrainians. 694 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360 I mean, this is kind of you know, this is this isn't 695 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:25,000 your normal sort of thing going on here? It could this backfire against the 696 01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:31,119 government on this. It looks like it is backfiring because it's so unpopular. 697 01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:35,559 I mean, I the only time I see people championing this, it's you 698 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:41,280 know, the most brainwashed sort of NPC people that are out there who really 699 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,719 have no idea, the sort of individuals who follow the next thing because they're 700 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,159 told to, right, the person who switches out the BLM black square for 701 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,440 the you know Ukraine flat. You know, I went through Texas and you 702 01:04:55,519 --> 01:05:00,079 go through Texas driving this was a few months ago, and you see giant 703 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,599 Ukraine flags flying right, and I know you've probably joked about this too. 704 01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:06,679 And it's like, do they even know where that is? You know, 705 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:12,039 well, why are we flying giant? What is this about? Right, 706 01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,480 we're flying the rainbow flag, now we're flying the Ukraine flag, and we're 707 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,519 just doing it because we're told to. So, you know, unless it's 708 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:25,079 the most brainwash kind of majority or too maybe even minority now or forty percent 709 01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:29,599 of the population who watches CNN and you know, has no clue. And 710 01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,360 aside from that, I think it's really unpopular. People are figuring out that 711 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,480 what I'm paying all my tax money and Zelensky skimming off four hundred million and 712 01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:43,800 he's you know, buying estates and other countries and mansion. It just makes 713 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,639 no sense, right, It's it's like a kind of a big racket. 714 01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:51,719 And hopefully people are figuring that out. But um, I think that the 715 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:59,280 media and the push of what we see on Twitter uh is is backfiring. 716 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,000 I think people it's just super unpopular as far as I can tell, and 717 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:08,360 people don't understand why are we supposed to care so much about Ukraine. It's 718 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:13,559 far off and it doesn't affect the average Americans daily existence, and so it 719 01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:18,639 doesn't make much sense to the average American. But you know, they're conflicted 720 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:23,280 because they're told by the power structure. But I think maybe also people are 721 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,079 starting to figure out, hey, wait a minut, doesn't Biden and his 722 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,119 son don't they have a lot of interest in Ukraine? Maybe that plays into 723 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,960 partly, right right, why you created I'm not saying it's only about Biden 724 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,719 and their business deals. I'm just saying that, you know, this came 725 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,280 up in the campaign with Trump. You know, Trump was talking about Barisma, 726 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,079 Trump was talking about the Ukraine, and so people kind of have a 727 01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:45,599 loose idea of like, hey, it seems like there's something to do with 728 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,000 Biden and corruption in Ukraine, and that seems to make sense, and maybe 729 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:53,039 that's why we're there in part. But it's more than that, because it's 730 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:57,199 a big long term game against against Russia and anybody in this sphere of influence 731 01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:02,119 of Russia. So hopefully I think it is Backbary. So so just looking 732 01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:06,159 at the fall of the Iron Curtain, you mentioned what the Orthodox Church was 733 01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:12,559 like, or what church was like during the Soviet Union, very much depressed, 734 01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,599 I would think, in terms of its role in society under as you 735 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,760 said, under the thumb of the party, under the control of the party. 736 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:25,400 And so what happened after the Berlin Wall falls, the dissolution of the 737 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:30,559 old Soviet Union. Um, there was there a renaissance in the in the 738 01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:35,440 church, and all of a sudden, the Church goes from being you know, 739 01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:41,639 a nominal sort of force in society to attaining a much higher role in 740 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,440 fact, on par with the state in many ways. And the relationship between 741 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,400 the Russian state and its leadership and the church. And from a Western point 742 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,639 of view, this must this must must have been viewed as a threat, 743 01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:01,159 especially looking now the whole social the woe agenda and all the all of these 744 01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:09,280 things are antithetical to Russian Orthodox Church and traditional values, family values and things 745 01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,559 like this. Would would they view this as a potential threat because you know, 746 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,039 you look at how subterfuge has been used in so many different countries using 747 01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:25,760 social culture wars and things like this. How would how would the CIA have 748 01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:30,880 viewed the fall of the Iron Curtain? Well, it seems like at the 749 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,159 time the propaganda was that, uh, when the when the wall falls, 750 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:41,079 will have freedom, freedom can finally be introduced into we can export the freedom 751 01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:45,439 into these countries. Um. And and in a limited sense, you know, 752 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,119 if we look at something like the East German Stazi. I've been been 753 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:51,079 reading about the Stazi lately, and uh, the techniques and methods that they 754 01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:56,760 would use to kind of surveil and and track people and keep tabs. And 755 01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,600 you know, you have a file on you of oh you said something against 756 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,359 the party, we heard you whispering a couple of months ago. You want 757 01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,159 to tell us about that, Maybe you need to go sit in to jail 758 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:09,439 for a few months and think it over. This kind of a heavy handed 759 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,760 tactic that we read about in the East German Stazi. And so the propaganda 760 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,960 of the eighties was very much geared towards this is so bad, we got 761 01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:21,479 to introduce these freedoms. And I think on a basic level, okay, 762 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,359 that makes sense. Yeah, I don't think the Stazi were probably that nice. 763 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,399 I think they sound like they're probably probably pretty nasty. But here's the 764 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,840 thing, what's coming. What is the overall game plan of the people that 765 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,880 are introducing the new freedoms? Is it really about freedom? And I think 766 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,600 that's the scary part is that when I look at the overall agenda of what 767 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,039 the people you know, running the US have and it's not Joe Biden that 768 01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:51,159 runs the US, obviously, it's it's much more powerful, wealthy people than 769 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,359 any of the goons in Washington. In my view, they have a much 770 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:02,520 more tyrannical agenda, far worse than what the Stazi had in mind. And 771 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,119 it was a great movie. I was just talking about this the other day 772 01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:11,279 that illustrates this. It is a pro Western kind of an older German film. 773 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,560 It's called The Lives of Others, And if you watch it, you 774 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,119 get an idea of the it's attempting to be kind of a realistic portrayal of 775 01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,840 the Stasi, and then the way that they would kind of put pressure on 776 01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:28,119 artists and people that were actors and people like that in the theater and putting 777 01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:31,439 pressure on them to submit to you, to the regime. And there's a 778 01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:36,600 struggle between the Stazi guy and his own morals and ethics. And I was 779 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,800 watching that, I was thinking, Okay, so we're told, you know, 780 01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,119 we're thinking, if we're in the eighties and the nineties, were thinking 781 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,520 this is this is so oppressive, and it's going to be so great when 782 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,439 we introduce these freedoms into these countries. And he could use the same model 783 01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:53,880 for any Soviet Bloc country or any area like this. Here's the irony, 784 01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,359 though, is that the people that are actually behind the freedom, when we 785 01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,960 look at Klaus Schwap, when we look at Bill Gates, when we look 786 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,039 at the models of technocracy that they have in play, and this is the 787 01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:08,199 CIA or the CIA is essentially under the thumb of these people. They're pushing 788 01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:14,439 that agenda everywhere, including the transagenda. And it turns out that the CEO 789 01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:19,239 of anheuser Busch was formerly a CIA operative, so no surprise that anheuser Busch 790 01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:23,760 would then be party to pushing this agenda. So my point is this, 791 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,800 if we think that the agenda of the STAZI is this horrible thing in the 792 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,119 nineteen eighties and so forth, and I'm sure that it is what it was, 793 01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:35,560 this is ten times worse. Could you imagine if the Easter Roman STAZI 794 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,079 had had access to what Klaus and Bill Gates want to have in place, 795 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,560 tracking everything that you do, rationing your food from womb to tomb, making 796 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,560 sure that you have these vaccines, these drugs, the nanotech in you, 797 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,560 tracking everywhere you go, shutting down flight, shutting down travel, shutting down 798 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,319 business. I mean, it's a million times worse. That's what I'm trying 799 01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,760 to say. So that's the danger here is that this technocratic, crazy agenda, 800 01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:01,840 and that's actually what Putin refers to doing the speeches. When Putin gives 801 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:09,000 the speeches, he's referring to this wild at Malthusian agenda wanted to push all 802 01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:12,640 this crazy stuff everywhere in the world, and then we realize, oh, 803 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,000 this is not actually about freedom at all. That's a cloak. And they 804 01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:19,199 call it. They used the term the Russian site that termed the Golden billion. 805 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:24,439 I've heard Lavrov say it, I've heard Putin say it to tell people 806 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,880 what that Are you familiar with that? I'm actually not. What is up? 807 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,439 It's the golden billion. I think this has something to do with the 808 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:35,600 Malthenthusian agenda, that the Western globalist has this vision that there's a golden billion 809 01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:42,720 that's the one to preserve. Everything else is you know, surplus to requirement. 810 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:48,239 Right, Oh, you mean like the principle like on the George guidestones, 811 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:50,199 getting it down to this number. I say, I think so, 812 01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,960 I think that's what they mean. So they've the Russian uh, you know, 813 01:12:55,279 --> 01:13:00,319 high level russianisters have said this multiple times, and it's like a it 814 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,159 gives you a little bit of uh you know, uh, it kind of 815 01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:06,319 makes the hair stand up on their back of neck if they're conscious of that 816 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:12,399 on that level. And they're saying that publicly heads of state, foreign ministers 817 01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:18,479 directed at Western leaders. That's that's quite a strong finger they're pointing back, 818 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:24,680 and it kind of says, well, I guess they recognize that these things, 819 01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:28,319 you know, this is a real agenda. Yeah, this thing so 820 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,479 yeah, I mean, as you know, you know that. I guess 821 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:36,520 the wildest part is that that overall agenda is really written about in many of 822 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,520 these texts, right, many of the texts from the power structure in the 823 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,720 West. You know, they have a long time ago adopted that Malthusian idea, 824 01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:47,159 uh, you know, coming again coming out of the British imperial model 825 01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:51,239 of how to run the world. Uh. And it's it's it's basically just 826 01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:56,239 an anti human approach. And to tie it back into the Ukraine, uh, 827 01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,600 something I didn't realize until fairly recently when I when I got into Gladio 828 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,920 and reading about all that, that a lot of that tied into Reinhard Galen 829 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,000 and the Galen network and what's called Galen, the Galen Org. And that 830 01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:15,279 was an idea that while Bill Donovan and Alan Dallas had cooked up too well. 831 01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:16,880 Okay, so it's post World War two. We got a lot of 832 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,319 these, uh, leftover Nazi intelligence networks. What do we do with these 833 01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:24,560 people? Like, we got a whole bunch of these. Now everybody's heard 834 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,560 of paper Clip, right, so we all know about that. Well, 835 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,840 so that's that's only part of the story, right, So paper Clip. 836 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,600 We'll put some of these guys over at NASA. Everybody knows about Berner von 837 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,039 Braun going to NASA, this kind of stuff. But there's also these other 838 01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:41,159 networks of assassins and trained killers. There's the figure of I think is that 839 01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:45,119 one guy named Wolf. There's the figure of Otto Skorzeny, There's the figure 840 01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:47,800 of Reinhard Galen. And these are all people coming out of the OSS I 841 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:53,520 was giving out of the ss LSS might as well be the SSH and and 842 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,399 so they're just put into new work for the OSS and CI. And the 843 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,439 idea is, uh, just go to these other countries and train hitman and 844 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,039 killers for us. And that's what they do. And I didn't even realize 845 01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:12,079 until fairly recently that the modern German intelligence, the B and D literally is 846 01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:17,399 just the Galen organization. Galen sets up German intelligence. Now I'm not saying 847 01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,840 that today's German intelligence are overtly Nazis. We know that they're not. But 848 01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:26,880 here's the point is that the Galen organization not only was it of a central 849 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,840 piece of GLADIOL and training to stay behind units to fend off any kind of 850 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,359 Russian invasion that could happen down the road. That was the auspices for which 851 01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:40,199 Gladio was set up was, oh, we got you know, the Stalin 852 01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:42,720 might at any point invade Europe, so we got to have these stay behind 853 01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:46,279 terror units, right, So basically terror training throughout Europe and in Latin and 854 01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:53,760 South America. And so one of those areas was that Galen and his crew 855 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,039 and one of the people that Galen train, I forget the name of the 856 01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:59,000 guy off top of my head, but they actually went and train and set 857 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:04,079 up the the Nazi UH networks that are still in Ukraine. And Ukraine was 858 01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:09,279 a key vantage of key point that Hitler wanted to capture at one point. 859 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:15,479 Obviously, Hitler's setting his sights on Russia. Thus Ukraine was really important. 860 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,920 And this is part of the reason why there's these old sort of Odessa there's 861 01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:21,159 the Odessa network and these Nazi networks that have been there for so long. 862 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,680 And that's why they're still there today and supported by you know, Uncle Sam 863 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,199 and all the supposed liberals in the West. Is that it is it's not 864 01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:34,199 really about ideology. Ultimately, ideology is kind of a tool that can be 865 01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:38,840 used. And so that's why the West and the CIA have I've for so 866 01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:43,640 long fostered and funded and aided Uh these you know fake well they're Alan say 867 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,800 they're fake Nazis, they're real Nazis, but they're not really. Um, 868 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,039 their controlled movements is what I'm trying to say. And it goes directly back 869 01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:56,119 to the Galen organization, which something I just recently read about. Yeah, 870 01:16:56,199 --> 01:17:00,760 the state and the state behind all the intelligence they gathered on the Ovits and 871 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:03,479 so forth, all that got transferred. That's a lot of power, a 872 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:09,359 lot of you know, information, valuable information that the US managed to they 873 01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,640 paid for. I'm sure they paid for it as well. Um that wasn't 874 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,760 free, but uh, but yeah, that's that's a story of the Cold 875 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:21,840 war the early that most people aerodynamic operation that was declassified or that's on the 876 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:29,039 CIA's website. You know that a lot of documentation there of US supporting Nazi 877 01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:35,920 factions and stay behind operations in Ukraine and also in eastern southeastern Poland as well, 878 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,760 right after the war nineteen forty eight, I think, right till the 879 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,439 to the present. Yeah, exactly. Uh, well, the groups that 880 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:53,279 are there traced their lineage to um uh step On Bendera and this kind of 881 01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:58,199 a stuff. Right, So the groups around step On Bendera were trained by 882 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,520 an individual train by Galen or so that that's the connection there. Um. 883 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,479 I don't remember the name of the military person that Galen sent into Ukraine, 884 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:11,640 but it was somebody he trained basically. So yeah, so that's how we 885 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,119 get to today. And you can see that it just really shows the hypocrisy 886 01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:18,319 of Uncle Sam and you know, we're so we're you know, if you 887 01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:21,239 live in the US, you know this right For people that are watching that 888 01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:24,880 don't live in the US, I mean, it's just it's always beat into 889 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,840 your head, especially in the last you know, since the Trump era. 890 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,119 Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, everybody, it's 891 01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:34,800 all Nazis. And it's just ridiculous given the fact that most of the people 892 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:40,840 in America who are conservative or right wing or whatever are not actually anything close 893 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,640 to Nazi in reality, in the United States, there aren't any actual, 894 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,319 real quote Nazis. It's all you know, maybe eighteen year olds on the 895 01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:50,880 Internet or some of the Fortune or something. It's not it's not a real 896 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,199 thing, but it's just hyped up in the media as if there's this great, 897 01:18:55,359 --> 01:19:01,880 huge, you know, towering white supremacist threat. And the hypocrisy is 898 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:08,520 that the same power structure hyping this up in America is openly literally funding the 899 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:15,199 real people in Ukraine that have these wild, crazy, uh eugenics based ideologies, 900 01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:17,279 which you know, you've talked about this since I since I met you, 901 01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:20,239 you know, all the way back to twenty thirteen fourteen, you've been 902 01:19:20,359 --> 01:19:25,920 covering and talking about what's really the real Nazis in Ukraine. I remember when 903 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,359 you first mentioned that back in twenty fourteen, when you were covering the coup. 904 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,760 I was like, I was thinking, Wow, so there's really these 905 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,520 actual, you know, ones that that that go out and at will beat 906 01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:40,359 people up, and they will engage in warfare and you know these uh, 907 01:19:41,239 --> 01:19:45,920 they have like these little neopagan sort of units that they have and and I 908 01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,159 didn't even realize that was a real thing in these other countries back in twenty 909 01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,840 fourteen that you called attention to it, and then you find out the history 910 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,760 of it is that well, yeah, they're they're all there as sort of 911 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,840 proxy warriors for for for America. And that's just the crazy part, right. 912 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,960 And but in America we get all this social justice hypocrisy about you know 913 01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:09,680 anything, you know, if you want to have a party where you want 914 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,239 to have a Christian church, you're a right wing Nazi. You know, 915 01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:15,000 anything you do is you're a right wing Nazi. It's just amazing the level 916 01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:18,920 of hypocrisy that people don't don't know about. And and they're flying their Ukraine 917 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:25,960 flags uh and and they're they're putting up a BLM square, they're supporting BLM, 918 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,760 and they're saying, oh, but we got to support the Nazis and 919 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,760 Ukraine. It's just crazy. And Nancy, even Nancy Pelosi in Congress shouting 920 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:38,880 Slava Ukraini like open the Ukrainian nationalist slogans. You know, these are people 921 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,359 that if you fly in American flag in America, they'll they'll call you a 922 01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,600 you know, maybe call you a fascist or a right winger, and literally 923 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:51,000 they're they're going for the full boar on Ukrainian nationalism in a country that probably 924 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:56,760 can't even locate on the map before you know, last year. But pretty 925 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,960 amazing, unbelievable. Really, Yeah, it was the same model. You 926 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,760 know, I remember when all the Syria coverage that you do, the white 927 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,479 helmets and all that, we start to see this, Hey, actually a 928 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,920 lot of this is the same pattern. And I don't want to over uh 929 01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:14,039 you know, drive everybody crazy with talking about Gladio. Non stuff is just 930 01:21:14,079 --> 01:21:16,640 something that I dubbed deeper into and read some more books on that I only 931 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,359 kind of had a cursory knowledge of. Um. But the model of Gladio, 932 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:26,319 of the cell units, the stay behind the terror, funding it with 933 01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,039 drug money. Uh guess what, it's exactly the same pattern of what you 934 01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:34,439 do with the radical Muslims. It's the exact same. And that that's what 935 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,760 kind of blew me away, was that, Yeah, they're different, operations 936 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,279 are different. Uh, you know, Gladio is not identical to al Qaeda, 937 01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:44,840 ISIS and all this kind of stuff. But it's the same structure and 938 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,920 model of how the deep state does and runs their black operations, and that 939 01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:56,920 schism. So World War two, the Catholic Orthodox schism, especially in Eastern 940 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,560 Europe as as Germany, it was marching east word going through Hungary is a 941 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,600 good example, and Croatia. And so now you know the schisms you have 942 01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:12,359 today, the wounds from they go, they date back to World War Two 943 01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:17,960 and maybe even before that. But Serbs being Orthodox more fealty towards Russia. 944 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:25,479 Uh, Croats being Catholic allied with the Germans, and then Hungary is a 945 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:30,560 really fascinating one as well, and so Ukraine as well. Same thing. 946 01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:38,600 You have this split Catholics in Galicia and what used to be Poland and the 947 01:22:39,119 --> 01:22:45,479 previous iteration of that the Polish you know, Grand Duchy or whatnot. So 948 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:53,239 but look at who's in politics today. They're the Victoria Newland, Christia Freeland 949 01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:59,239 in Canada and some of these people in the State Department, National Security Council. 950 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:04,000 It's almost jay as if they select people that have a generational acts to 951 01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:10,840 grind against Russia. I've just noticed this on in the last couple of years, 952 01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:15,319 and it's not it's and a lot of neo conservatives will fall into that 953 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,479 category as well. I mean, have you have you how do you think 954 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,439 that's a great point. Yeah, I hadn't thought about it with the specific 955 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,800 people you mentioned. But the most obvious example of that, the backs that 956 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,439 what you're saying is Brazinsky. Right, of course, Brazinski being Polish, 957 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,800 and I think the story was he had some kind of Polish nobility background, 958 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:41,479 long time animosity and hatred of Russia, and a lot of people think that, 959 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,920 you know, that motivated a lot of Brazensky's mindset during the Cold War 960 01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:51,439 and particularly with you know, Operations Cyclone and trying to get the Soviet Union 961 01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:56,319 bogged down in Afghanistan. That appeared to be a lot of what was going 962 01:23:56,359 --> 01:24:01,319 on with Barzinsky. But yeah, I had not thought about that. That's 963 01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:06,359 a really interesting point, that choosing people for their kind of personal vendettas or 964 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,720 anger, anger that they have due to you know, their their family, 965 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,640 their traditional background with these territorial disputes in these countries. Yeah, that's not 966 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,479 not something I know a lot about. Yeah, it is interesting. Also 967 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,880 there's the communist you know, post World two. Then there's the point Trotsky 968 01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:29,640 So if the neocons descend from Trotskyites, then the Trotskyites would have a huge 969 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:34,399 amount of animosity towards UH, Stalin and the NKBD. So they would that 970 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,039 was and that's why a lot of these neocons go to the Rand Corporation and 971 01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:44,880 they set up essentially what would be this UH anti Stalinist you know, cold 972 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,279 War operation. Basically whole Cold War is run out of Rand Corporation. I 973 01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:55,000 would say, uh, and they want this this conflict. Stalin doesn't take 974 01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:57,920 the Marshal plan aid which he was. They expected that he would, and 975 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,399 that's what kicks off the Cold War. And of course Stalin you knows, 976 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,920 as at least as the public story is, has Trotsky killed in Mexico. 977 01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:10,399 So that's what kicks off a lot of this Neo Kon animosity exactly against against 978 01:25:10,399 --> 01:25:14,199 Stalin. So that yeah, that's the other layer. So you know the 979 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,800 so you've got the ideological overlap the Venn diagram. Then you add the religious 980 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:26,199 and then that adds another dynamic to this, so you know, communism, 981 01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:30,159 Catholicism. Uh. The Moonies are a good example, you know the UH 982 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:35,279 I was reading how the um if you if you agree Jay that the South 983 01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:42,000 Korean Intelligence Services is run by the CIA or is under the thumber of the 984 01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:48,399 CIA. They were giving money to UH and encouraging the Moonies to fund the 985 01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:55,399 Anti Communist League activities in Asia, so you know, help using the church 986 01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,239 or the colt or whatever to against communism basically. But great example. Yeah, 987 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:03,079 I forgot about the Moonies. And that was a whole thing, uh 988 01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:10,840 that w Senior had was running because if I remember, uh is it did 989 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,960 he sell the Washington Times or he bought the Washington Times from the Moonies? 990 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,399 I can't remember. That was part of this deal, and I think it 991 01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,840 isn't the It's called the k CIA, right, the Korea basically the CIA, 992 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,520 but it's the Korean ci um. Yeah, exactly. That's That's a 993 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,600 great example. And then and that the Mooney is that cult I figured heavily 994 01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,680 into that Reverend Sun Young Moon's cult um and a lot of direct connections with 995 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,680 Bush Senior on that. Uh yeah, great, great parallel. I thought 996 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:40,279 of something else and I lost that. I forgot what it was. But 997 01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:43,600 ye know, there's a lot of examples of this again, you know, 998 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,000 coming back to the CIA using these cults in other countries, and this actually 999 01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:51,960 motivates why Russia in the last few years had banned UM not just scientology but 1000 01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:56,920 also the Joe's Witnesses because a lot of people don't know Joe's Witnesses are also 1001 01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:01,840 utilized by the CIA for spying and you know, all manner of activities like 1002 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,920 that. But and there's a and a Mormon wing of the CIA, right, 1003 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:11,039 what's that is there? Traditionally a Mormon wing of Oh. Absolutely, 1004 01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:17,199 the Mormon Church is heavily influenced and utilized by CIA. Absolutely because if you're 1005 01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:19,640 if you're a Mormon, you have to do a man I think a man. 1006 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,600 I don't know if the women do it. Mormon men have a mandatory 1007 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:29,039 two year foreign mission thing you have to do, and I think a lot 1008 01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:31,680 of them do learn a foreign language, which is obviously very useful for these 1009 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:36,760 kinds of activities, intelligence activities. And yeah, Mormonism is absolutely utilized by 1010 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:41,039 by the CIA. UM And in fact, we had a lot of famous 1011 01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:45,479 Who was that guy a couple of years ago that was he made a big 1012 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,199 fuss about Trump and he was a big, a big Mormon CIA guy. 1013 01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:50,520 I remember that guy in the media. Maybe, Oh, Evan McMullan. 1014 01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:56,000 McMullan, that's yeah. He was a regime change expert for the CIA. 1015 01:27:56,399 --> 01:28:00,119 There you go. He did elections overseas, including Syria with the moderate rebels 1016 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,479 in Syria, and then he ended up trying the regime change during the US 1017 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:11,039 election by running to take Utah. Tried to get the electoral votes of Utah 1018 01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:16,239 off of Trump. Ye wasn't successful. Backed by Mitt Romney exactly. Yeah. 1019 01:28:16,279 --> 01:28:21,159 And don't forget another great example of this parallels not Mormon. But you've 1020 01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,520 talked about John McCain many times over the years, and you know, John 1021 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,520 McCain not only did he go and fly and meet with the moderate moderate rebels, 1022 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,760 he also went and flew and met with the fake CI created the guy 1023 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,279 in Ukraine before became Passway. Yeah, he was on stage with Tanny Hook 1024 01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:45,239 and Faboda and all these guys, and John McCain and Chris Murphy Democrat senator 1025 01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:49,920 from Connecticut, Chris Murphy, both of them, and Lindsay Graham went over 1026 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,800 there as well with McCain. They did a little sort of selfie it took 1027 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,359 selfies with the Ukrainian troops, I mean, yeah, but also with the 1028 01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:00,600 fake patriarch too. So that there's there's a there's a great picture of a 1029 01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:08,680 former CIA director. He went and met with the State Department's chosen take patriarch, 1030 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,560 Dennisinko. John McCain went and met with him. Biden obviously went and 1031 01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,439 hung out with him. There's a bunch of hanging out with Biden. But 1032 01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:19,399 oh, you reminded me to of another reason the motivations there, the old 1033 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:25,560 grudges there would be that Mark Hackard is a really good essay that he translated 1034 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:33,479 about the history of Kim Philby and Stalin and Israel, and at that at 1035 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,239 one point Stalin was trying to court Israel. He wanted to get Israel under 1036 01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:44,880 his sway, and Israel ended up siding with the Western power structure, and 1037 01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:47,880 then that led to Stalin, I think, saying a lot of Jews need 1038 01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,000 to go to Israel. This made a lot of people mad. And so 1039 01:29:51,239 --> 01:29:59,159 this also is part of that anger that's that some especially the Jewish neo conservatives 1040 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:01,760 have with Stalin, was over this kind of stuff. Okay, so that's 1041 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:06,439 a legacy issue. I forgot about that one. You still hang that's interesting, 1042 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:12,760 very interesting. Yeah, that one's a very interesting dynamic between Russian emigres 1043 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,840 Israel, the socialist kubbutz utopia they tried to build, and then what it's 1044 01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:25,920 become today, which is like a hardcore ethno nationalist right wing. The current 1045 01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:30,359 the current situation Israel is interesting. But just to just to kind of sum 1046 01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,520 it up, it's back to the original. Well, we'll wrap it up. 1047 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:38,159 We'll wrap this discussion up. This has been very good, very interesting, 1048 01:30:38,319 --> 01:30:42,239 and I hope, I hope everybody's learned something here or at least raised 1049 01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:46,840 some very compelling questions. But you know, this this idea that how important 1050 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:53,399 the churches and I've flashed up this is just one of many stories from the 1051 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:59,239 nineteen eighties with the CIA involved in you know, turning Roman Catholic bishops either 1052 01:30:59,399 --> 01:31:03,680 pro us anti us. There's also you know, the socialists bishops and the 1053 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:11,119 cardinals and the dirty wars in Central America that became a real frontline battleground for 1054 01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:16,119 the US intelligence apparatus. Because is it because to win the hearts and minds, 1055 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:24,319 or to win the or to influence large groups of people to to is 1056 01:31:24,359 --> 01:31:28,119 it easy? It's just is it the question that it's just more economical for 1057 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,800 the you know, the power, the geopolitical power the hegemon to work through 1058 01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:39,239 church institutions and can they afford not to work through. In other words, 1059 01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:45,680 if you don't have control of religious institutions or cults or whatever, you really 1060 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,319 can't you know, you can't met out your agenda without them. What are 1061 01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:54,840 your kind of final kind of thoughts on this in general? Yeah, that's 1062 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,880 this was really complex when it comes to Latin South America. It's it's not 1063 01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:00,359 an area I know a whole lot about. I've read two books on this 1064 01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,640 topic, but I'm very limited in this. But why What I do understand 1065 01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:08,840 is the patterns elsewhere that match up to that, which is that so on 1066 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:13,159 a really basic level, if you if we're asking why would they be concerned 1067 01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:15,840 with what's going on in Latin South America in the Cold War, Well, 1068 01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:21,199 obviously the Soviets would have an interest in those areas firstly, and they would 1069 01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:27,479 they would be interested. Everybody in a geopolitical sense is interested in controlling land, 1070 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:33,560 controlling resources, controlling populations and the ideology of the populations. So at 1071 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:40,880 that time you have I think it's a Nelson before Nelson is in office, 1072 01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:45,159 he's actually I think CIA station chief in either Latin or South America, and 1073 01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:49,000 so he's really obviously an operative for his family. And I think that a 1074 01:32:49,159 --> 01:32:53,800 lot of this, you could argue, perhaps even the CIA itself is really 1075 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,960 just a kind of a private army for the Rockefellers. I think flame Ingdol 1076 01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:01,760 describes it as something like that. Other analysts have described it as something akin 1077 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,000 to that, which makes sense to me. I think that's probably pretty much 1078 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,800 true. So we don't want, for example, on a really basic level, 1079 01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:17,119 the liberation theology to influence and take over Latin South America, because on 1080 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:21,039 a really basic level, that is something that the Soviets were interested in. 1081 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:26,119 However, it's a little more complex than this, because a lot of Cold 1082 01:33:26,199 --> 01:33:30,560 warriors have a really kind of a basic bitch understanding of this, where they 1083 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,640 would say, oh, well, Mark, liberation theology is all created and 1084 01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,600 run by Soviets, and we want to be there down in Latin and South 1085 01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:44,520 America with the right wing you know, death squads, and we want to 1086 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,359 promote the church and traditionalism. It's a lot more complex than this because it 1087 01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:55,000 turns out that the Rockefeller Committee that studied liberation theology under Nelson, by the 1088 01:33:55,079 --> 01:34:00,199 way, so again because Nelson's the key point man Latin South America, Central 1089 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:04,880 America, that they do a study of the effects of liberation theology for those 1090 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:10,359 countries, and there were certain elements of liberation theology that they didn't like. 1091 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:15,079 However, they were not opposed to it, precisely because liberation theology, according 1092 01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:20,279 to the Rockefeller Commission report, promoted family planning and abortion, so they liked 1093 01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,479 that aspect and that was one of the main reasons they didn't have a huge 1094 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,760 problem with it. So it's a little more complex than the usual kind of 1095 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,239 cold warrior dialectic that you read a lot of these right wing cold warrior people. 1096 01:34:31,279 --> 01:34:34,119 They just set it up as well. The Soviets pushed liberation theology and 1097 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:39,520 we push the right wing stuff. Now it's more complex than that because a 1098 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:45,800 lot of this ties into what's called Operation Condor, and that's adjacent to Gladio. 1099 01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:53,880 So Gladio had its Latin South America component, And if people don't know, 1100 01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,640 actually Pope Francis played a key role in that. Francis was one of 1101 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:03,119 the key operators in in his jurisdiction for allowing the CIA to come and run 1102 01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:10,399 those kind of Cold War desquad operations. In his region. So uh, 1103 01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:14,920 it's it's a mistake I think for a lot of critics of Francis to say, 1104 01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,800 oh, he's a he's a globalist communist. Actually, no, he 1105 01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:24,399 didn't aid. He didn't aid Soviets. He aided the CIA and beyond that, 1106 01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:29,479 um, the papacy was not ultimately something co opted by Soviets. It 1107 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:34,279 ended up co opted by one percent by the CIA and the Western power structure. 1108 01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:39,359 And that's part of the reason why Francis ended up as pope. Because 1109 01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:44,039 the Jesuits Jesus don't work for Moscow. There might have been Jesuits who were 1110 01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,520 co opted by the KGB or the KBED at some point that that did exist. 1111 01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,520 You do have elements in the World Council Churches, National Council of Churches, 1112 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,359 which, by the way, it was created by the Rockfellers. Okay, 1113 01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,760 so that's a rock Feller created institution, and the Soviets did have some 1114 01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,760 agents there and they did recruit some people, for sure, But that does 1115 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,239 not mean that the institutions, or what I call institutional capture that did not 1116 01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:12,119 occur by the KGB and by the Soviets. The institutional capture absolutely occurred via 1117 01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:15,920 the CIA, and so to understand the CIA's attitude towards Latin South America, 1118 01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:20,600 it's not about right and wrong. It's just about controlling those regions with the 1119 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:27,119 best technology of ideology that works to control people. So they at that time 1120 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:30,880 they thought we need to fight the Cold War with des squads, with Iran 1121 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,119 Contra and in fact a lot of these characters. This blew me away. 1122 01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:38,279 I couldn't I didn't even know this. But these figures that we read about, 1123 01:36:38,279 --> 01:36:42,399 the Pinochetes and the Wompon, these figures, they were actually part of 1124 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,640 Gladio and inducted into the P two lodge. So there's a famous story of 1125 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:51,840 I think it's a Pinochet. Pinochet's inducted into P two by Lechio Jelly himself, 1126 01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:59,960 the famous Italian Sicilian organized crime figure given a papal knighthood as an atheist 1127 01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:01,760 by the way, he doesn't believe in God, but he's given a papal 1128 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,359 knighthood much like Jimmy Saville was, because he played a key role as the 1129 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:13,720 controller of the P two organization throughout Italy and even on NATO basis, by 1130 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,319 the way, So this is really a I think Paul Williams theorizes that this 1131 01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:21,439 is basically a Kissinger operation. Kissinger was running P two through Leicio Jelly, 1132 01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:29,359 and so when Lechio goes down to he goes and inducts a Pinochet, he 1133 01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,439 inducts one perone and these these various figures. I think, I know it's 1134 01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,079 Pinochet. I want to say one, Piron two, but I'm not number. 1135 01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:38,319 So anyway, they're basically just serving Gladio. Is the point, So 1136 01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:42,600 that papal knighthood would be the royal Order or the Knights of Malta or something 1137 01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,239 like this, or I think that's something different. I think I'm going from 1138 01:37:46,319 --> 01:37:50,520 memory. Papal knighthood is just a sort of a special honorary privilege that the 1139 01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:56,119 pope gives to a specific figure. It doesn't necessarily have to be a Roman 1140 01:37:56,199 --> 01:37:59,439 Catholic. But the irony, of course is that this seems to be doled 1141 01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:04,520 out to very important geopolitical operators and people who are very nefarious. Okay, 1142 01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,079 it's not given on the basis of your virtue. And in fact, if 1143 01:38:08,079 --> 01:38:11,640 you watch Godfather three, I think there's a you know, we'd get there's 1144 01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:17,279 a scene where Michael Corleone is basically given this this Award, and you know, 1145 01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:20,720 if we want to an insight into the corruption, some people have pointed 1146 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,960 out that, I mean, wouldn't we know the Vatican has its own kind 1147 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,279 of intelligence apparatus. It's it's one of the oldest intelligence that as on the 1148 01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,199 on the planet. I mean, are we really supposed to think that they 1149 01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:34,000 didn't know who Jimmy Saville was, this guy hanging out with you know, 1150 01:38:34,199 --> 01:38:39,399 Prince Charles and engage in all these nefarious activities, for they had no idea 1151 01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,840 They're just gonna let him come hang out with John p All the second and 1152 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,359 get a nighthead. No, it's because this this stuff is all run by 1153 01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,800 these uh, these orders, and you mentioned one of those orders. A 1154 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,680 lot of these like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and this kind of stuff. 1155 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,800 That's all just the I stuff. Absolutely. Yeah. Jimmy Saville is 1156 01:38:54,840 --> 01:39:00,640 also an honorary member of the Knessen in Israel as well among his many accolades. 1157 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:04,560 So he got around is quite extraordinary. A DJ from Leeds, he 1158 01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:09,640 didn't, you know, he really made the rounds. So so what you're 1159 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,720 saying is, wherever you are in the world in terms of the CIA or 1160 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,039 institutional capture. It doesn't. It's not necessarily it varies from region to region. 1161 01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:23,760 The methods that it's not strictly going to be predictable, you know, 1162 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:29,840 along religious or ideological lines. It could change depending on the location, the 1163 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:35,720 people, the culture. Absolutely this is ethnography, right, and so it's 1164 01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:41,520 kind of a weaponized anthropology. And the CIA is recruited over the years, 1165 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,319 many many anthropologists, many even archaeologists. I mean, it sounds kind of 1166 01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:51,279 silly, but in in Indiana Jones, actually it turns out that Indiana Jones 1167 01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:55,520 as an archaeologist, he actually is in the OSS in the storyline. So 1168 01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,920 it's actually a nod to this in the Indiandiana Jones stories that they had originally. 1169 01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:05,079 When the predecessor to the OSS is the Inquiry. This is a bunch 1170 01:40:05,079 --> 01:40:08,960 of academics at the time of Woodrow Wilson, right when we get the you 1171 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:14,039 know what Federal Reserve past, and the Inquiry is just a bunch of university 1172 01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:17,960 and academic people recruited into a kind of a private intelligence group. That is 1173 01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:23,760 kind of what evolves into the OSS eventually. Um and and a lot of 1174 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,399 this is just bankers. It's it's not you know, uh it's not a 1175 01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,399 lot of sexy James Bond stuff. It's just boring bankers coming out with scams 1176 01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:35,239 and plots to uh do people and steal resources. That's that's the essence of 1177 01:40:35,319 --> 01:40:39,199 it. So it's a lot of organized crime. I think that when when 1178 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,479 you know, I think I noticed first on your website many many years ago, 1179 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,640 maybe twenty fifteen, you had you had an old essay of you know, 1180 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,439 times that this CIA had linked and organized linked with organized crime. And 1181 01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,199 that was one of the first I'd never heard of that, and so that 1182 01:40:53,319 --> 01:40:58,279 that kind of kicked off me getting reading into organized crime as a side project 1183 01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,319 over the years. And that's where you really see this. This the rubber 1184 01:41:01,399 --> 01:41:06,000 meets the road with you know, intelligence operations. In many cases, particularly 1185 01:41:06,039 --> 01:41:12,159 with the CIA, it's just really just using organized crime networks, using drug 1186 01:41:12,279 --> 01:41:15,239 lanes. Uh. You know, this came up with ISIS and the you 1187 01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:18,840 know, you did some stuff about the pirates, pirate tiers and the return 1188 01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:24,560 of pirating with you know, these these ISIS cells and whatnot. It's all 1189 01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,399 that same stuff, right, It's just the old models of control that the 1190 01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:31,319 British Empire had with drug lanes and opium. Now see see, I just 1191 01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:35,840 basically takes over all that. And it's not accidental because it was the British 1192 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:41,680 intelligence guys that came over and told you know, Donovan and everybody how to 1193 01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,720 set up their intelligence networks. So they're just gonna they're following basically the British 1194 01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,159 model. You see it with Brazinski to Brazinski, you know, heat says, 1195 01:41:48,279 --> 01:41:51,600 let's just use all the radical Muslims. That's an older British, British 1196 01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:59,640 approach. Yeah, the British very very good ethnography, um sectarian, tribal 1197 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:05,840 history, affiliations. I mean incredibly, the granular detail of the academic studying 1198 01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:12,680 that underpins the you know, statecraft is mind boggling. And well, this 1199 01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,640 is where missionaries would play key roll too, right, because the missionary is 1200 01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,000 also a kind of a perhaps ethnographer, Right. He goes in and studies 1201 01:42:18,039 --> 01:42:23,239 and learns the language, learns everything, the idiosyncracies of the people, everything 1202 01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:27,760 about them to influence them as a form of soft power. There's an academic 1203 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,199 that wrote a good book, we did, Analysis of Weaponizing Anthropology by David 1204 01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:33,600 Price, and I think towards the end of that book he mentions one of 1205 01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:41,960 the leaked documents US Army documents that came out the early mid two thousands about 1206 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:47,279 Iraq, and that this Army document basically had just mastered the whole culture and 1207 01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,399 everything that you can think of about Iraq, and it was about how when 1208 01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:58,119 we're there to just completely totally change the culture. Right, So culture warfare 1209 01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:03,960 because a huge domain of CIA interests obviously, and obviously religion falls under the 1210 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,079 domain of culture. Sure, but you know it goes beyond that into you 1211 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:13,079 know, engineering pop culture, engineering toxic pop culture, which again also comes 1212 01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,399 up in a lot of CIA biographies, a lot of you know, academic 1213 01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,079 texts. Yeah, so just a lot of people don't know about this, 1214 01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:24,920 but but you know, it's very prevalent. It's it's one percent what the 1215 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:29,199 CIA is involved in. Well, well, I think we're just scratching the 1216 01:43:29,239 --> 01:43:31,119 surface, of course on a lot of this stuff. And I know that 1217 01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:35,239 you've delved into some of this with your work as well. Before we go, 1218 01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:41,199 Jay, just give us give our listeners a shout out about your books 1219 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:45,760 that they can get also your website and where they can see more of your 1220 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:50,239 work. You can find me over Jason alysis dot com. For the archives 1221 01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:54,680 for the going back I mean six or seven years. We do a lot 1222 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:58,039 of lectures through the Global Elite text and so you can find all that at 1223 01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:00,399 the website. There's a shop of the website too. You can get my 1224 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,560 two Hollywood books working on Up Hollywood three, that's Stark Hollywood three, so 1225 01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,399 that hopefully that'll be out maybe the next six months to a year. I 1226 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:12,000 got about one hundred pages of that ready to go. But we've got a 1227 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,039 couple of philosophy books you can buy over there too, and you can find 1228 01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:19,399 me on rock fin YouTube, all those outlets you just under my name. 1229 01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:26,399 So thanks for having me great discussion. Religious engineering is an amazing, fascinating 1230 01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,960 topic, and we'll get links to you to your website as well, Jay's 1231 01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:32,199 Analysis. There'll be a link here on the show page so people can click 1232 01:44:32,279 --> 01:44:36,800 through and find all your stuff there as well. But thank you very much, 1233 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:44,159 Jay Dyer, and good luck with your endeavors. We'll be watching your 1234 01:44:44,199 --> 01:44:47,359 work very closely going forward. Awesome, Thank you so much. There he 1235 01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:51,000 goes, ladies and gentlemen, that's Jay Dyer. Look, we're going to 1236 01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:57,560 take a break here with the Sunday Wire and when we come back, I 1237 01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:15,199 hope that you'll hang around after these men suggest for us, I've had enough 1238 01:45:15,319 --> 01:45:30,880 of working nine to five, when a job where I'm working to survive and 1239 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:40,640 to myself, fucking tell no more lies. I've spent too much time in 1240 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:50,640 the shadows. There's nowhere else to high. Yes to talk about time, 1241 01:45:51,359 --> 01:46:00,520 talk about time. All the roles are loved down in my life. Talk 1242 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:09,239 about time, talk about time. Used to talk about talking about being. 1243 01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:16,039 Put your churchmens down, and let's talk about being, talk about being, 1244 01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:39,079 talk about being? Never game, what did you do it? Islaughing it 1245 01:46:39,319 --> 01:47:09,239 slaughing never? What did you beg he slaugh slaugh What if all the soldiers 1246 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:23,560 laid down their guns? What if he exiled? Refused to run? What 1247 01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:32,439 about your shadows that face the sun? No, there's no more need, 1248 01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:47,279 there's normOn need to run. Used to talk about talk about time between walk 1249 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:57,239 down. Now talk about time, talk about time. Yes, I talk 1250 01:47:57,359 --> 01:48:05,800 about peace, talk about joy. Comes down and let's talk about pas chuk 1251 01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:28,159 about peace, Chuk about pas chuk, about love? You give in a 1252 01:48:28,239 --> 01:49:13,800 slaughter in the slough to give it slough slaugh, No, it'slaugh slid slide 1253 01:49:13,880 --> 01:50:01,439 slid slid spark cads. What is your profession? See old friend, I 1254 01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:20,399 broke more SOLDI than you did. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Hey, 1255 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:26,439 it was a great conversation with Jay, really fantastic. Really appreciate him 1256 01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:30,640 giving us his time this weekend. And Jenny's done something great work recently. 1257 01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,880 Of course, it's got a lot of interesting stuff. I think something for 1258 01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:39,880 Tucker Carlson Originals. He's playing a part in that as well as all. 1259 01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,279 The trailer looks great. So it's about the World Economic Forum basically, so 1260 01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,079 that will be circulating hopefully it'll make its way online at some point. But 1261 01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:55,079 fantastic, really great, and we will have a video of that conversation for 1262 01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:59,239 members at twenty one wire dot tv. 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