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So I didn't have anyone to talk
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my phone about what I was thinking
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I just kept going and it's been
a real journey of discovery. We

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started our site back in two thousand
and nine, and you know, everybody

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says, oh, liberals are so
tolerant, they're so compassionate, so open

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minded, blah, and it's like
really, because I mean, like I

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lost when we started our site,
even I lost friends immediately. Welcome to

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another audition of the Deep Dive Podcast
with the Chicks on the Right, and

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today we have a very special guest
with us, Stephen Hilton, who is

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a composer, a producer, an
influencer whether you like it or not,

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a Christian and a dad to two
kids four and two, I think,

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Alfie and Poppy. And you have
become sort of this phenomenon, if you

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will, in conservative circles as a
late because you seem to have undergone a

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bit of a transition, a red
pilling, if you will, And we

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were hoping that you could tell us
about that journey. Yeah, Well,

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I've worked in I've been in the
Hollywood sort of system, doing like big

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massive films for years and years.
I started off, I started off making

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records, and then they started using
the records I was making in films,

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and then that led on to bigger
and bigger and bigger films that ended up

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in Hollywood doing things with Tans Zimmer
and people like that, and so it

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was all very I never considered myself
political really at all, but all of

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my circle and all of my sort
of people I hang out with and worked

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with were all super liberal, and
we're getting more and more liberal and more

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and more left, and I mean, I was starting to think, this

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is a few things that are bugging
me in a few things that just seemed

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stupid that everyone is saying that don't
make any sense, but you know whatever,

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live and let live. And then
when they as I've heard from a

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lot of people since this happened to
me, when I've been talking to people

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the pandemic, actually it was the
watershed moment for me. I've always been

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sort of anti establishment. I mean, I grew up in the acid house

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days and sort of wine music,
and it's always been anti authoritarian, sort

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of punky anti establishment, and around
the pandemic, I started to feel all

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this authoritarian push with the lockdowns,
and that was instinctively in me. I

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was like, no, I don't
like this. This is like forced.

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This seems like a top down push
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certain things that aren't making any sense. You know what everybody needs for Christmas

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is my pillow bedding, because that
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during the year. They have the
biggest betting sale the year going on right

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now, and they have they're extending
like their money back guarantee for Christmas until

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March first. So you got to
get the Gee's dream sheets because everybody needs

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those. I have those, you
have those. They have pillow cases for

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nine ninety eight, which is unheard
of. You can get one of those

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my pillow mattress toppers for ninety nine
dollars. I mean, it's unbelievble.

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They got blankets, they have Duvets, quilt down comforters, body pillows.

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I love the body pillows. I
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to like surround myself and pillows.
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on right now. I don't know
what people are waiting for, but you

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need to take advantage of this right
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the best at my pillow, I
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if you need a stocking stuffer,
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pillows. Yes, you can show
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great last minute stocking stuffer. And
to get all the greatest deals, visit

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my pillow dot com slash chicks and
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And then when the vaccine came out
and stuff like that, I was I

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was just not Instinctively, something inside
me is like, no, I'm not

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not into this. I don't want
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Especially in Los Angeles, everything was
closed. They were my kid has got

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a speech delay, and all the
speech therapists had masks on, even when

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all the other states seemed to be
open, and I was like, how's

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he getting. It's just everything just
hit me at once, and I started

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speaking up just to my friends,
going I'm not going to this vaccine is

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is weird. I don't know why
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on when there's clearly everything else that
how's that going to work? I know,

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it's completely ridiculous. In fact,
that was the that was the thing

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that really annoyed me, was that
was the key. That was the key

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moment. I was like, this
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here, but this is this is
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he hit him. Not being able
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pissed me off. And then I
started saying people, I'm not I'm not

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going to do that. I'm not
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the lockdowns. I'm not gonna I
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And now the pushback I got was
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It's like, oh, you're a
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my grandma. Now. I was
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I mean, I actually I've always
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i've always liked Trump. I think
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never really said, you know,
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stuff. They were saying, like
you obviously like Trump, and I was

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like, well do I. And
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I was like, yeah, he's
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just that so many people. I
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I'd never spoke up about it publicly
on my platform because I was married and

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my ex wasn't political at all.
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about politics, it would unfairly impact
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all about comedy. So I didn't
want to start being political and then she's

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forced to answer questions that she doesn't
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way inclined. But then we separated
and I made a video. I made

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one video about how I think I
just i'd send the Joker and I was

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thinking about how in Hollywood everyone's so
anti gun, like in just in the

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in circles where you hang out people, guns are terrible. We've got to

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take guns away. But then the
joker and I was like, this seems

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very hypocritical, and I just made
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how Hollywood is the biggest pusher of
gun violence as as you know, entertainment.

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it went viral on Twitter bizarrely,
and and then then I was like,

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okay, so there's it coincided with
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out against these the pandemic, and
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friends. I was completely on man
of being completely ostracized, so I didn't

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have anyone to talk to. So
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what I was thinking about, and
it just resonated. So yeah, I

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just kept going, and it's been
a real journey of discovery. We started

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our site back in two thousand and
nine, and you know, everybody says,

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oh, liberals are so tolerant,
they're so compassionate, so open minded,

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blah, and it's like really,
because I mean, like I lost

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when we started our site. Even
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oh my god, you're conservative.
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living, Like we can't be friends
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you lost all your friends and you
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kind of alone, you're talking to
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to me, like, have you
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you now that you've become I mean, I say red pilled, but now

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that you are outwardly conservative or more
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So when I first started, so
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creator, we separated, and all
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they were very like, I lost
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was I lost a ton of followers, and I was like, Okay,

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this is what's going to happen,
but I want to speak up, mainly

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because then I started to get into
the gender ideology pushed in schools, and

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now it's ninety percent of kids that
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medical system are autistic, and my
son's severely autistic. And that made me

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go down to start talking about that. So all of her fans were like

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out and then I lost a ton
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like, okay, but it's too
important not to talk about. I don't

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care about losing followers. But then
every post that I was on on her

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platform was like just hate against me, one hundred percent hate hate hate hate,

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and you're right about liberal hate is
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the savage, like breathtaking comments like
oh my god. So I couldn't look

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at her page anymore. I was
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what happened was I started to gain, like more people started coming to me

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than had left because the people that
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in the last year. The really
weird thing is that so I couldn't look

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at her page before. If there's
anything she has a company posting old videos

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for her on Facebook and anything there's
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warns me. She's like, they
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so But in the last year,
this so funny thing, Like about a

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couple of weeks ago, I just
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of the posts. I was like, I wonder if I'm still getting this

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insane hate, and it was fifty
fifty half the people going I actually agree

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with everything you're saying. I was
like, Okay, something's happening. Interesting,

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you know, a lot of people
found you through I was one of those

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people that found you through Laura and
so because i'd been a follower of her

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comedy and and and just you know, had seen you through that and then

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like started following you separately and that
sort of thing. And then when you

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became right, it's been such an
interesting thing to watch your transformation. But

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but how did that Because you said
that you didn't want to be political or

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speak out before you were separated,
did you find that your beliefs were impacting

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your marriage or I mean, if
it's too personal, you can tell me.

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No. I don't actually, just
because she's so not political, okay,

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and I would she we would talk. I mean, I'd started to

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talk about how I was feeling about
that vaccine, how it was feeling about

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the mask, and she was like, yeah, I agree with you about

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all that stuff. You know.
So it was she's she's just not political.

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But we're still really great friends.
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it really impacted. I don't think
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things it wasn't. It wasn't that, I don't think. Okay, because

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she's mean to you, like we
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like she's mean to you. Really, yeah, I mean from well,

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I mean because we I guess it's
because we maybe it's because we see it

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objectively, but also you know,
when you you look at it, it

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has become sort of a liberal versus
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people who I think maybe that's on. I don't say maybe, but it

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is unfortunate probably for people who are
who are because we've both been married and

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divorced, and we've been married again, I mean not to each other,

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not to each other, but we've
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to to these awesome men, but
then we've had first marriages, like we

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call I call mine personally my starter
marriage, right and then and I now

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am married to the love of my
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I can't imagine I didn't have children
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think about what that would be like, having to co parent with my first

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husband, and how hard that must
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it this whole new element of you've
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literally what our country is going through
right now, which is, oh my

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god, Stephen, like it's crazy
like people hate one another because of politics,

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which because we're so divided, because
I mean, it's it's it's it's

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crazy how different we are policy wise
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she falls, but I do know
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side with her if you will.
And then like you have the right wingers.

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with you guys, you know it
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had no idea, no idea that
the country was so divided. And when

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I started, I mean, I've
always I I'm massively I love comedy.

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I'm not a comedian, but I
love comedy and I always like to see

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the funny side of stuff. So
when the Dylan more Vany stuff was happening,

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I was seeing humor in that.
I was saying, this is clearly

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nuts. And I made some.
I made some like I made a couple

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of videos with just super woke like
progressives with a million pronouns are saying you

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have to use this pronoun in the
first sentence and this pronoun in the second

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centers and then revert to the first
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I did was I put on a
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I just reacted to it. No, I didn't say anything. I was

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just like the doctor was confused by
all the pronouns and the hate. It

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was insane. People got me to
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what this, it's a funny thing. This, this, this person

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is funny. They have so many
how do they get through life? And

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that they're like, we want you
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mean, it is it is.
It's insane, completely insane. I had

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no idea. I had no idea
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when I was with Laura, like
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hate from conservatives. So I've had
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know would imagine as your kids,
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to be really tough to navigate.
I don't know how. I mean,

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like I said, with the co
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we're in the public sphere now,
we're in that we're doing this, we're

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we're co parenting, we're doing the
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Like how do you handle doing all
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a public way? Like does that
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point where you're just like, I'm
gonna go live in the mountains and I'm

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never going to like talk to people
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one thing I do struggle with that
I still have still even though I've been

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doing online creative for like eight years. So I'm like an oh g at

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this point, but i still think
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or three people are going to see
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fuck, there's thousands and thousands of
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I still get like some yes,
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the thing is that we are,
we're so great friends and co parents that

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the kids have such I mean,
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something I'm going to have to think
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older, definitely, And you know, like even I'm I'm trying, I'm

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on my pathway with religion. I
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fit. I mean, I believe
in God, I believe in Jesus,

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and I find that's really important to
me. And Laura is not like that.

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So we have two opposing views like
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us sort of argue we would never
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great the other one for their beliefs
and so the kids, I think right

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now, they get it in a
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is that they're getting different viewpoints,
they're getting access to different frames of

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mind around stuff. I love that. I think that's a great perspective.

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two people in their life that they
two people in their lives that they really

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love, and then they can they
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does this and she does this,
and he believes this and she believes that,

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and so what am I going to
believe? You know? And I

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think that's healthy. I think that's
cool. Yeah. So I like you.

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I wanted to ask you about a
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like a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe where you were it seemed like

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you were about to or maybe you
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the commentary that relates to politics,
because you were finding yourself going into sort

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of a dark place and you you
mentioned or you alluded to, like unfollowing

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certain accounts that you felt had led
you on that path. Can you can

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you talk more about that and also
answer the question about like are you okay?

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So you are like ready to go
for Christmas, cause you get like

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three nights worth of dinners from Omaha
Steaks. And so you have to tell

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me what's going on because I didn't
even realize. Listen, I'm so fixated

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on steaks all the time when I
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some fish and like salmon and stuff. I know, I'm just like you,

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like I always think when I think
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when we order, we get like

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beef kind of stuff, right,
we get the steaks, we get the

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burgers. I got this, yeah, you know. And so this time

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I thought, you know what for
Christmas Christmas Eve, I want seafood.

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So I ordered salmon filets, I
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sides, like these unbelievable potato sides, and I ordered desserts. There's so

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different combinations of food that you can create

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your order, do it. I
was gritting into the habit of getting up

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because I was looking for content to
react to. I was getting up,

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opening Instagram and just being bombarded with
stuff that was designed to make me angry.

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And I realized how it was,
how manipulative it was, and I

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realized that some of these accounts A
really it's like hate porn, it's like

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anger porn. And I felt like
I was being I'm an addict, so

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for me, it's easy for me
to fall down into addiction, and rage

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and anger are addictive. I get
a buzz off of it. But I

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don't like being that person around my
kids. And I don't like being the

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angry person. And I didn't like
I didn't I mean, I didn't like

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taking the kids to school. And
I know there's certain kids. You know,

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a lot of the parents at the
school know me from my content,

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and it's all been cool. But
as it was getting angry, and I

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felt it was getting angry, and
it was getting definitely going to a place

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that isn't me. Like I'm really
like, I've got my beliefs, but

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I'm also like, I really value
humor, I really value just having a

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a good heart, like I always
feel like I always come from a good

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place. But in the last six
months, I wasn't coming some of that

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stuff. I wasn't coming from a
good place. It was coming from trying

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to get views. It was coming
from like me, trying to make people

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angry. And I realized that I
didn't want to. I don't want to

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do that. I just want to
I want to talk about how I feel

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about things without being scared of people
hating me. I don't care about that,

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but I don't want to put out
hating to the world. And the

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thing that actually made me see that
was I'm in a twelve step program.

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I'm nine years clean sober, i
haven't had a drink for like twenty years.

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And I've got a sponsor who was
talking to me about being angry,

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and he said, what you don't
realize is if you put out something that's

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very angry and hateful, there's a
ripple effect, and he goes, you

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may not see it, but three
ripples down, someone might hit their kid

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from so and he wasn't talking about
my content. We'll be just talking about

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anger. And he said someone might
be might be angered, and then they

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might not because of what you've done, but like three o'clock in the afternoon,

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like twelve hours after something you've said
made them angry, they might do

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something. And I was like,
Okay, I've got to be really careful

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not to just ever be angry for
anger. There's certain things that I feel

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strongly about, like the transagender being
pushed in scores, and I love you

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know, I'm super into I love
Trump, and I think that people the

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gun control things is out of control. These things I'm passionate about. But

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I don't want to just be one
of these sites that just makes people angry

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to get engagement. And people do
that and I was doing it. Yeah,

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well, there's a difference, I
think between passion and anger, right,

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I mean, you can be passionate
without being angry. And I think,

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yeah, it's well, that's awesome
that you recognize that. I think

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that's fantastic. It's wonderful. Well, and you know, we've had our

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moment. I mean, I'll speak
for myself here where the news cycle itself

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is becomes so overwhelming that you know, I'm a very happy, positive person

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most of the time, and there
are times where I break because it's like

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there's just too much bad going on
that and to know when to step away

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and sort of have your breakdown,
let it just let it wash over you.

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Sometimes you just need that release.
But one thing that Daisy and I

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have done that we're very purposeful about
is that in every show we try to

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bring levity to the really awful news
of the day. And I think that's

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good. You're really good at too. Totally totally, yeah, you got.

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I mean, there's because there are
good people still, like, there's

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still there's still good people. There's
humanity. I still believe in humanity,

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I still believe in America, I
still believe in God. There are good

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people. We just hear so much
of the crap and then, like,

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you know, it sucks too because
the media doesn't help the media. The

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government doesn't help us. The media
doesn't because the media is like constantly trying

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to show us how much we do
hate and how much and how much the

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country does suck, and how much
everything sucks, and so it is.

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You know, when you do this
for a living, it can be very

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exhausting. I know Maccus told me
in the past, She's like, sometimes

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I just need to go and have
a good cry and then I feel and

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then I just feel better. Yeah, and she and and it's true.

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However, you need to deal with
it and have your release and then come

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back and go. You know what, we at the end of the day,

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when I go to my little dollar
General down the street, my little

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small town, I encounter wonderful people. People are good there, and they're

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they're genuinely good, you know.
I mean, that's how we are.

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Humanity is good. It's just that
all the crap that surrounds us kind of

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is what makes us bad. Right, it's our environment all other ship.

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So this is this impacting your career, the fact that you're I mean,

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because you did. I mean you've
done You've done some major composition work for

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some huge blockbuster films. How has
like this transformation of you affected, if

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at all, your career? Well, I mean, I what I stopped.

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Really bizarre thing is when when we
started, when Laura started making content,

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So she was an actress and I
was scoring films, and she was

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constantly depressed about audition and not getting
roles, and I was I was going

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down sunset one afternoon and I saw
these billboards for YouTube and I just saw

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like a YouTuber and a Loo account
and that's all they had. They had

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a big campaign that wait, Laura
would be really good at this, so

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I sort of encouraged her to post
content, cut a long story short.

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She started doing it. It blew
up and it was it was such a

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success so quickly that I stopped movies. I had Allalain movies anyway, and

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I was like, Okay, I'm
just going to jump over here and do

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this because it's super exciting. We
were newly together. It was just an

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amazing time and it was everything was
just blowing up. And so I really

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stopped doing film soundtracks for the last
sort of seven years where we were building

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this production company. But now being
separated, I mean, I'm still helping

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out with it with the with the
production side, but I am getting back

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into movies slowly, but surely I'm
going to start and that's awesome. Yeah,

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I'm working with people that I used
to work with English people right now.

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But yeah, it's so I'm going
to be sort of picking that up

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again. I just want if that
will like if you'll notice a change,

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right. Yeah. I haven't stepped
back into the Hollywood system yet. We'll

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see, We'll see what happens.
We'll see, but I mean, I'm

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going to have to change. I'm
sure that there's going to be certain things

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that are shut down to me now. But that's why it's important. I

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just loved I love making music,
and I love you know, whatever film

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it is or and I love making
my own music, which which has been

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really well received. So yeah,
it'll work out. It always does,

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and that's unfortunate if things are shut
down to you in any way, like

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because it used to be that that
wasn't the case. Because I we're old.

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We're old enough to remember. You're
probably you're a lot younger than us,

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I think, but we're old enough
to remember when you could talk about

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politics and you could, you know, have a life, and nobody gave

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a crap what you thought about this
kind of stuff, you know what I

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mean. We weren't so it wasn't
so insane like it is now, and

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you could just have a career and
people weren't trying to cancel you or squelch

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your career or you know, just
ruin what what you do best. And

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you know your musicians, so what
you do that you should be doing that

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and you've experienced I was just going
to say you've experienced being canceled with some

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major platforms, and that's got to
be it's been eye opening for us.

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It's been amazing, especially in light
of COVID, where you said that that

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was a huge catalyst for your thinking. That's when it went crazy. So

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how like, where have you been? Where haven't you been banned from that

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people can still find you. I
mean, my main thing now is that

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it's really funny. It's the worst
platform you would think for someone like me.

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But and they just banned I had
a big TikTok that they banned.

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I mean, they banned me four
times on TikTok and the last time,

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my god, it seems like it's
permanent. And it was like Lily a

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million and it's done. China,
China hate you, China really hate you.

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But I started last week and it's
I love TikTok Live. I just

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love it. I don't know why. I just really enjoy TikTok Live and

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it's it's it always is hugely popular, and that's the place where I feel

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like I feel like that's that's the
place where a lot of people find me.

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So I started a new one last
week and it's already like fifty five

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thousand, Like it's grown super quick. So, I mean, I love

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TikTok rumbles great. And Instagram.
Instagram has always been You're on Instagram.

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Yeah, that's where I follow you
is on Instagram, as I handle I

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love, I love Instagram. So
those are like the three main places that

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you are. Those three main places. Okay, and you're under the name

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Stephen Hilly right yeah, okay,
okay, and what's that that's where people

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can find you other than create what
you do more content? Yeah? So

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yeah? And are you and are
you dating? I also want to know

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you dated, Like are you dating? I'm I'm dating. But it's rough,

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Okay, it's rough, bad,
god, it's I mean, it's

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are you using the apps or are
you doing it? Like? How are

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you doing it? No, you're
not swiping, You're not swiping. I'm

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an addict. If I was on
app, remember all day long? Just

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I can't do it? No,
no, but yeah, I've Yeah it's

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been it's been crazy. I am
so since the split up, I had

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like two sort of relationships and it's
yeah, it's it's crazy. It's just

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like I was I just got out
of a we were together for like seven

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months, and I was like,
seven months, that's not going to be

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and it wasn't. I didn't even
think of it as that's that serious.

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I was like, this is going
to be easy to get over. But

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my god, I remember these sort
of heartbreak spells of like being in short

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relationships and being are broken about it. But now I remember it. But

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it's right, that's rough. Yeah, dating, And then what about professionally?

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What do you doing next professional besides
all the awesome stuff you get out

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there on social So I'm making an
album right now because that's a good way

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to reintroduce myself back into film music. That's how I got started got I

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fell into films by accident from making
records. So I'm making a record not

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to get back into film. I'm
just making a record because I want to.

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And that's going to be out early
next year. Awesome. Yeah,

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and I'm running a production company and
yeah, it's exciting. I like sometimes

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when things sort of I like to
just sort of give it up to God

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sometimes and just go, you know
what, I don't know what's next,

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Let's just see because it's always worked
out. That's awesome, that's fantastic.

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Well, Stephen, thank you so
much for being with us. It was

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really really fun to talk to you. Yes,