WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:12.720 Well Whiskey coming fame by Paine's Brain Don't You Let Me? From Powerline blog 2 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:19.359 dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com. This is the Three Whiskey Happy 3 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:27.000 Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and Powerlines International Woman of Mystery 4 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:33.799 Lucretia. You gotta give in and let that wis blow where you're being in 5 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:42.399 love down and lowe. All right, well, hi everybody, and welcome 6 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.640 to a really unusual episode of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour because we are for 7 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:57.039 the first time taping in front of a live audience. Right, but but 8 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:02.479 not just any live audience. This is commentary on to the brain child of 9 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:04.959 Ammo Girl, and I have to say I may write about this separately if 10 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:10.840 you will give me permission, Ammo Girl, and describe how unusual and unique 11 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.319 it is only the genius of Susan Vass. I can give away your real 12 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:19.200 name, can't I Vas? Okay? Sorry? Yeah. Now, normally, 13 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:21.359 those of you who listen, we usually have John You with us. 14 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.159 We added him last summer. He is in class this afternoon at Berkeley Law. 15 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:26.159 It's a last week of class. He couldn't be with us. We 16 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.480 couldn't even bring him in by zoom, which was one possibility, but he 17 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.719 did send this message this afternoon, regretting his absence, saying I wish I 18 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.120 was there, but on the advice of counsel, I've been warned against showing 19 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:46.200 up anywhere where people calling themselves Ammo Girl and Lucretia are in attendance. Steve 20 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:51.159 Hayward not so much typical John. When we told John that we were going 21 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.680 to be doing this, because Steve was supposed to invite him in, of 22 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.359 course didn't forgot, but he said, what do you mean, Ammo Girl? 23 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.519 I thought you were Ammo Girl, he said to me. I said, 24 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:06.560 I don't even come close. I'm a piker. But this is also 25 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.719 an anniversary of sorts. Lucretian, I've been arguing for forty years now. 26 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.360 In fact, our memories are not quite in accordance. That wouldn't be a 27 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.840 surprise. But my recollection is we got seated together at a dinner in graduate 28 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:29.000 school almost exactly forty years ago, and we went from zero to arguing in 29 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:34.039 sixty seconds. And don't forget to tell them that you have since conceded that 30 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:42.280 I was right about everything. That particular argument is true. So we like 31 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.479 to say that this is a podcast dedicated to on the surface whiskey and metaphysics. 32 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:52.159 The subtext is this is where we have fun. Is It's how two 33 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:57.479 people can agree on a question or an issue and the disagree completely on how 34 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.759 to get there and the reasons why. I say, we've been doing that 35 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.879 for forty years. Uh. You know, William F. Buckley once said 36 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.400 extra about a mutual teacher of ours, and I paraphrase it this way. 37 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.800 If you think it's hard to argue with Lucretia, just try agreeing with her. 38 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.120 It's nearly impossible. She studies the fine print of every agreement like it 39 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.199 was an arms controlled treaty with the Soviet Union. You know, I get 40 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.280 I get comments all the time, emails from people saying, why do you 41 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:31.400 put up with Steve and your squishiness. I guess we need to swap emails 42 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.080 because I get emails. That's never mind. No, I get those two, 43 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.560 Boie, I just I feel sorry for Steve those I get those two. 44 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.560 I really love you, Lucretia, but I kind of feel sorry sorry 45 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:46.000 for Steve. Uh. And we both love single malt whiskey. But the 46 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:53.360 agreement ends there. Uh. I like those peaty smoky I lay malts. 47 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.400 He likes those sweets. So it's it's Pete versus sweet. It's you know, 48 00:03:55.479 --> 00:04:01.479 I lay malts. He likes the Highland sweets. So Steve says, 49 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.639 it's an anniversary. We stayed in touch for a long time, and then, 50 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:11.120 as these things do, we sort of lost contact with each other and 51 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.680 found each other again. Thank God for the Internet, right, and so 52 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:17.959 we were sort of conversing back and forth, and then Steve sent me this 53 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:25.560 video of him at the house that I remembered visiting many many years before writing 54 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:29.199 one of his books. And there's a bottle of La Froig sitting next to 55 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.800 his stuff he's working on on the desk, and I said, oh my 56 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:38.759 god, you drink that stuff. And you know something, that's what I 57 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.079 drank the whole time I was writing the book. I said, it reminds 58 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:46.600 me of Girl Scout Camp. And he says, wow, you must have 59 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.920 had a lot of fun at girl Scout Camp. But the point was is 60 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.240 that it tastes like a camp fire, Like you're looking at a camp fire 61 00:04:55.319 --> 00:05:00.920 that's been put out with soapy water. There you go. So I have 62 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.439 to spring this on you. I just did come across a book called Whiskey 63 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:08.120 and Philosophy, a small batch of spirited ideas that sounded like a book for 64 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.720 us, right, and it's something of a disappointment. But one passage reads 65 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:17.519 as follows. Quote here, men and women both describe whiskey drinking women as 66 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:23.560 sexy, tough and independent and women who are and women are conscious of this 67 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.879 image. And here's a quote from someone. Have you noticed that men are 68 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.759 very into lefroid. It's like a code word to use on them, says 69 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.360 one Bostonian writer who preferred not to be named. Men like whiskey drinking women 70 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.079 for the same reason they like Angelina Jolie. She writes motorcycles, she flies 71 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.600 planes, and could tear you to shreds if she wanted to, but lucky 72 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.519 for you, she doesn't want to. I'm not sure that last. Oh, 73 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.040 but part of our argument is sort of style versus substance. I think 74 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.399 I'm more of a literary and more of a poet, and she's a pure 75 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:01.800 philosopher. I actually like Edmund Burke. She thinks he's a dork. I 76 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.560 just think he's boring. Okay, well, there you go, and now 77 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:12.319 what's on? So so wait, one last thing. What I've been calling 78 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:18.160 Steve since practically the first day we met is that he is a pretentious intellectual 79 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:25.560 and he's very proud of that. Although I should say in my own defense 80 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.439 that there's an element of accuracy because when we met in graduate school my second 81 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.160 year year, first year, I think I was still getting over my teenage 82 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.279 existentialist phase. So you know, she would mock me for reading Kuter Guard 83 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:46.199 and William Barrett. And although I, okay, I did finally get over 84 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.240 all that, although I still liked him some uh T s Elliot, right, 85 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:56.439 I still liked T. S Elliot. What a wasteland well walked into 86 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.399 that one, didn't I? Well? Right. So here we are on 87 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.439 a Monday afternoon of this week. We hadn't really planned to take up news 88 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.639 of the day necessarily, but there really obviously is a big story. We've 89 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.360 talked about this a lot. Lucretia is going to want to follow up on 90 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.759 something you said just last week in the last episode, and that's this Fox 91 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:17.720 News developments of the ousting apparently of Tucker Carlson. I've seen all kinds of 92 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.800 rumors all day long about what really happened, and what's really going down, 93 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:27.399 So we don't know yet, but it does look to me like the beginning 94 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.920 of the end of Fox not to say about this the end of Fox News. 95 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.759 My hunch, and it's only a hunch, is that one or more 96 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:39.040 of Rupert Murdock's kids, who've long been unhappy with the place, are behind 97 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.720 this decision order, making Tucker the scapegoat for the dominion lawsuit that they should 98 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.160 not have settled, or both, or both or and you have other ideas, 99 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.839 I think, No, I actually don't have other ideas. I have 100 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:54.319 complimentary ideas. I did. What we talked about on the podcast last week 101 00:07:54.519 --> 00:08:01.639 was my belief that Paul Ryan is behind much of this attempt to turn Fox 102 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.439 News away from a conservative news channel to an establishment republican news channel. And 103 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.720 they John and Steve No, no, no, he's not that important. 104 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.279 He doesn't have that much to do with anything. And he doesn't you know, 105 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:16.680 Paul O'Brien's a good guys. No, he's not. He's a horrible 106 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.399 guy. But but yeah, all right, can I just say Mitch McConnell 107 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.680 is happy to have the week off. Didn't get there yet, he didn't 108 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.720 have the week off, but he's not on the board of directors for Fox 109 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.039 News and Paul Ryan is, and so he was interviewed on CNN of all 110 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.840 places, and they asked him, why didn't you resign when all of this 111 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.399 happened with you know, the emails that came out in the deposition and so 112 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.360 forth, And he said, well, because what I really want to do 113 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.480 is stay on and turn Fox News into the kind of news organization that I 114 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:56.679 think it should be. No more of this radical right wing conservative stuff, 115 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.960 no more of this questioning a like election integrity. Yeah, okay, so 116 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:07.960 what do you think about that, Steve? I have this problem about the 117 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.279 years I lived on the East Coast, as I know everybody. I don't 118 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.799 know Ryan well, but I know him some and I've always liked him, 119 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.799 and we've got I've talked to him a long number of times. Dana Puno 120 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.759 used to call me up from the White House once you wanted to talk to 121 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.399 a friendly voice. That doesn't go down. Well, I have a darker 122 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.840 theory. This is very rare that I have a darker theory about what's happened 123 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.159 than you do. And you haven't heard this yet. Maybe this doesn't have 124 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:35.720 anything to do with the dominion case at all. I wonder I think back 125 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.120 to at three, four or five weeks ago. I forget how long it 126 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.080 is, but Tucker Carlson started rolling out. You may recall the footage from 127 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.399 January sixth, and mister Buffalo Man ended up being released from prison six months 128 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.080 early when it became evident that this was really way overdone at the very eight 129 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.639 minimum, and we thought we were going to get more. Instead we only 130 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:01.399 got another, you know, fifteen minutes more the next night. And I 131 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:09.679 am wondering if there wasn't internally at or around Fox, some resistance to what 132 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:15.799 Tucker was doing. And there's a broader That's just one example, maybe the 133 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:20.440 biggest one. But you know, I've been thinking back a lot recently, 134 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.080 even before this too, the way the Communists used to operate in Eastern Europe 135 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.919 when you know, the Soviet Union was still around, and they always made 136 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:35.440 a point of having what they called an internal doctrine controlled opposition. Yeah, 137 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.080 and I wonder if I wonder if our establishment has learned from that. So 138 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.080 it's one thing to have without going to detail and doing critical opinions one way 139 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.679 or another about other Fox hosts. But you know, Sean Hannity, he's 140 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.279 pretty predictable. He's sort of in normal conservative lanes. Same with a lot 141 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.600 of the other hosts you can think of on Fox. But Tucker you never 142 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.440 quite knew what he was going to do. And let's remember that, you 143 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.000 know, Roger Ailes when he was still around, did get rid of Glenn 144 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:03.200 Beck because they thought he was being too unpredictable and extreme, even though he 145 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.919 got huge ratings. Right, So I wonder if that's what's really going on, 146 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.159 is that it's wanting to have a conservative news network. It's another thing, 147 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.519 though, if you believe in the model of controlled opposition, to have 148 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.000 someone that you can't control and therefore has to be stopped, that's my darker 149 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:24.159 theory. No, I think that you're absolutely right. I mean, mark 150 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:30.559 this day down everybody. This happens, you know, like every other blue 151 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:35.840 moon, and well, but it's especially true if you think about the sort 152 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:41.240 of underlying issues that push this along, like January six, like election integrity, 153 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.320 all of that what they can't tolerate and what the controlled opposition absolutely can't 154 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:52.279 tolerate because there's such cowards they can't face the possibility that there was, in 155 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.519 fact anything wrong with the twenty twenty or the twenty twenty two elections, because 156 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.559 what would that mean? What would that mean that the government we have is 157 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.559 illegitimate that they'd have to do something about it? And of course, you 158 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.279 know that's that's just too scary, and so that rather than do that, 159 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.200 they'll go along with whatever it is that the regime wants them to do, 160 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.960 and they'll, you know, they'll speak up now and then and this the 161 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.759 little bit here, a little bit there, but they're never going to fight 162 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:26.480 back against what is really clearly destroying our republic. And I think that's the 163 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.120 real sadness about Tucker Carlson. He was the only one speaking truth. And 164 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.639 I'm not even going to use that awful term that the left likes to use, 165 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.960 but he he didn't care who he came out against. And you know, 166 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.639 all the all the stuff when the emails came out that Tucker Carlson said 167 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.519 he just hoped that Trump wouldn't win election. And then what does Tucker do. 168 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.200 He turns around and he does two days of interviews with Trump. You 169 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:56.120 know, he was, as Steve said, completely unpredictable, and I didn't 170 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.399 always agree with him. I couldn't care less about his carrying on about aliens, 171 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.120 but you know, really, okay, it's probably important, but I 172 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:11.559 don't care. But you would always get a fresh perspective from Tucker, And 173 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.240 I think that's why I agree with you, Steve. I think you're absolutely 174 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:18.159 right. He's not the controlled opposition. He's a wild card, and he's 175 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.840 a wild card with access to a lot of what's going on behind the scenes, 176 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:24.559 and that had to be over with. So what he supposed happens to 177 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.840 the tapes if he's really out the good question, I don't know. I 178 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.840 thought there was some talk of making them generally available, but I'm not sure 179 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.720 where that stands. There was and there's Actually the news organizations are pushing back 180 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.559 because they're not getting those tapes from the FBI, even they're not getting the 181 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.519 Capital surveillance tapes. And so when I read a story about it just the 182 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.919 other day, we'll see speaking of this just occurred to mean.'m when 183 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:50.879 you get to some of our general questions, they teet up. The other 184 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:56.840 thing we're not getting is the Nashville Manifesto Too Dangerous? Yeah, John hander 185 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.519 Rocker beat me too that on power And I've been wanting to about this for 186 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:05.120 weeks saying why aren't they releasing this? What's in it? I'm betting my 187 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.519 hunch on this is there's something deeply embarrassing or damaging to the identity politics cause 188 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.360 in it. And if we get something that's going to be heavily redacted and 189 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.080 we'll have to see I have to say, see what you think. My 190 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:22.039 own opinion is, I've always been a two minds about school shootings and other 191 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.080 things like this for this reason. There are actually some pretty good social science 192 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.039 evidence that there's a copycat effect. So every time you have one of these, 193 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:31.039 it makes it more likely there'll be another one. If you go back 194 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.039 to the nineteen nineties, you remember the phrase going postal because this is wave 195 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.480 not a way, but there were a number of instances of some postal worker 196 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.360 got fired. How do you get fired from the post office, by the 197 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.919 way, anyway, It's really hard, but you know, so and then 198 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.840 it, you know, became school shootings. What's that now? Yeah, 199 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.320 that's probably right, And so you know, I've always thought, you know, 200 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.120 maybe it wouldn't be a bad practice. The media would never go along 201 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:01.720 with it, of not giving the person's name, not giving publicity of manifesto, 202 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.720 On the other hand, if we applied that I can't resist the story, 203 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.360 we would have censored al Gore's Earth and the Balance, which I believe 204 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.679 a copy of which was found in the Unibomber's cabin in Montana in nineteen ninety 205 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.799 six. And in fact, if you compare Earth in the Balance with the 206 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.679 Unibomber's manifesto, guess what, they're the same thing. And Okay, So 207 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:37.320 today President Biden invited the three Tennessee legislators who organized were part of the gun 208 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:45.039 control protest. And somebody asked the mop head if she knew if if Biden 209 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.840 was going to you all know who I mean, right, if she was 210 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:54.919 going to if Biden was going to invite any of the victims or the victims 211 00:15:54.039 --> 00:16:00.000 families from the Christian school where the person killed what six of them? Six? 212 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.200 She said, I have no information on those. I have nothing. 213 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.440 Well, if he's invited, and she was just you know, she's just 214 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.679 stonewalled, as she's very good at doing. It seems to me that it 215 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:22.080 would be difficult for there to be information though in there so so dangerous that 216 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:27.039 it could be more dangerous than than inviting those awful people to the White house 217 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.480 and ignoring the six little children or five little children that were killed. I 218 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.440 mean, it's it's it's a weird world we live in now, Steve, 219 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.759 where you try to make sense of things and it doesn't quite. But still 220 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:44.000 if it was, you know, clearly sort of an identity politics manifesto that 221 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.320 gave some credence to people like the woman in this state. You all remember 222 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:56.960 that Katie Hobbs, press secretary who posted the meme of Gina Rowlands with two 223 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:03.639 six shooters I think in her hands something and the caption was us when we 224 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:08.720 see transphobes. Yeah, you know, imagine I mean it gets old to 225 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.440 say, imagine if we turn that around and you know the other, but 226 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.119 it gets very old. But it's still probably as we're saying. I give 227 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.960 Steve a hard time about it all the time, but when you say, 228 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.240 imagine if the Republicans did that, imagine you know this or that. But 229 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.240 but it's true, you know, just because we're so used to it, 230 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:27.440 it does it does bear repeating. Anyway, I don't know what to make 231 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.440 of that, Steve. I mean, what could be more dangerous than those 232 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.279 sorts of things? Yeah, well, we'll see. Keep your eye on 233 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.920 this and keep writing letters to the editor or something saying when are we going 234 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:40.960 to see Okay, when are we going to see this? So what we 235 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.799 thought we'd do because we weren't sure what might be in the news, and 236 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:48.440 also with this episode will be posted probably Wednesday. I'm thinking now a few 237 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.640 general questions just to prompt some conversation, and then we'll also move pretty quickly 238 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.759 to audience questions and comments. I wanted to ask because I've never never thought 239 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.519 to ask this question of you, Lucretia. It's the classic desert island question, 240 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.920 what one book would you take to a desert island and why? And 241 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.279 I just wanted you to ask me what food i'd take to a desert island, 242 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:17.000 which would be hot fudge brownie Sundays. But no, it's hard, 243 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.039 of course, but just you know, I'm really asked. I know, 244 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.279 I know this is going to freak you out, but I'd probably take the 245 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.720 Bible before I took Jaffa. But Jaffa would be nice. That doesn't freak 246 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.519 me out at all if I had to choose just one, but I'd never 247 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.559 want to choose just one, So right I was, I was guessing she 248 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.319 might say the really classic book from our mutual professor, Harry Jaffa's Crisis of 249 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:44.039 the House Divided. If I had a choice, I'd take Birth of a 250 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.160 New Birth of Freedom before. It's a harder book, so you had to 251 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.319 read it more times. That's true. Actually, since we're in Arizona, 252 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.839 do you want to tell the Goldwater speech story? Or should I go ahead? 253 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.799 So a long story about Harry Jaffa. He's the guy actually that Buckley 254 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.240 said. If you think it's hard to argue and try agreeing with him. 255 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:08.079 She was a better student of him than me in a lot of ways. 256 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:17.599 Come back every week for more of this. He was the principal author a 257 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:25.640 Barry Goldwater's famous acceptance speech in nineteen sixty four, including at the Republican National 258 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.599 Convention. He had written a phrase and a memo to Goldwater. The Goldwater 259 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:30.559 loved it, says, make that the heart of my speech. And you 260 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.559 know the phrase. It was extremism and defense of liberty is no vice, 261 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:40.319 moderation and the defense of justice is no virtue. Goldwater loved it, and 262 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:45.599 I say jaff ended up rewriting speech along with Karl Hess and jaff used to 263 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.799 say in later years that he would tell would be presidential candidates. He promised 264 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:56.079 not to write them anymore speeches if they would take his advice privately. I 265 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.039 think it was Wilmore Candless said there's nothing wrong with that phrase on one hundred 266 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:03.519 thousand and Well shows words couldn't explain, which was pretty you know, a 267 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.359 great friend of jaff But anyway, that was our principal teacher. And his 268 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.160 two books about Lincoln and the Meaning of America are real classics. I think. 269 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.480 Um, I always say a gentleman held of one of my books, 270 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.319 I always give a no nonsense answer, which is my one Desert Island book 271 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:30.079 would be Hawkins's Complete Guide to ship Building. But actually I'm pretty close to 272 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.480 Lacretia. One of the things that Professor Jaffa would say to us, and 273 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.880 then you would cheat. He would say, really, it's only possible for 274 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:42.079 human being to know, like really no three books, and his three books 275 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:47.599 were The Bible, Aristotle's Nico McKey, and Ethics, and then his third 276 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.359 book was Shakespeare, which is kind of cheating, right, although so you 277 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.799 know my I'd say either the Bible or the Riverside Shakespeare, so you could 278 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.240 puzzle over all the plays for you know I actually have a single volume of 279 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.759 Shakespeare. Yeah I do. I mean it's but yeah, you could do 280 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.160 it. You call that one book. Then that's how I'll cheat and do 281 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.000 it. And right, yeah, this one's a little more fun. And 282 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.799 by the way, if anybody in the audience during question time wants to throw 283 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:18.480 in nominations for this question, feel free to what three people? If you 284 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.119 had power of an emperor king for a day, what free people would you 285 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:29.279 arrest in jail? Or if you had the power of my first choice Garland? 286 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:36.480 Well right, sure, so Steve Steve, Steve suggested three. It 287 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:40.359 was for me just as a suggestion so I could be thinking about it. 288 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.480 It was Garland, yes, Fauci yes. And what's your name? Mop 289 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:51.519 Head, Carine m Jean Pierre, John Paul Starch or whatever name is. 290 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.519 And I wouldn't say her because she's so worthless, um, I mean, 291 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:02.359 she she's a mouthpiece, that's all she is. I probably would pick swab 292 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:06.559 As as my number three. Yeah, as you can tell, I don't 293 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.279 even have to give an explanation for it. So that's awesome. Right, 294 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.680 yeah, so I have I couldn't quite settle on him. I've got one 295 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.359 that may seem oddball, but I'll explain why. And it's Aaron Sorkin and 296 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.000 the reason. You know, he's the guy behind the West Wing and the 297 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.599 American President, and you know all these movies, lots of snappy dialogue, 298 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.440 and so in the ordinary sense of Hollywood terms, he's really good at those 299 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.240 kinds of movies and TV shows. On the other hand, I blame him 300 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:41.720 for increasing or exaggerating the already romantic sense of contemporary liberal America about how politics 301 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.680 works and how the world works. I mean, your people love the West 302 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.319 I never I always found the West Wing boring because you know, I'd known 303 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.200 people who worked in them, and it's nothing like that. And but a 304 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:53.119 lot of people, oh, that's how the West Wing works, it must 305 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.880 be, and why can't why can't our real presidents off break this way? 306 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.680 So the point is is that we already have a problem of romanticism, and 307 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.839 Paul takes and he makes it worse. Uh these days you jail him for 308 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:08.119 that, certainly, Muslim, but take his cocaine supply away. Yes, 309 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.839 right, He's been busted for that several times. Um. Right now, 310 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:18.160 I'm tempted to say, Alec Baldwin, I mean, you know, it's 311 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:19.680 just because on my mind right now, how does you know this guy get 312 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.359 his okay? And then I don't know, this is a little hard. 313 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.960 I might have a have to cheat a little and say I think Abrahm Kendy 314 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:36.920 and Robin DeAngelo done immense damage of the country with their unbelievably a demogogic lightweight. 315 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.559 Uh take on race in America and they'll get, you know, forty 316 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:45.440 thousand dollars to be on zoom on college campuses because our college campuses are idiots. 317 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:47.440 By the way, you have to see I did put this up on 318 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:52.599 Powerline and by the way, the whole comment thread thing, which okay, 319 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:59.640 um uh. We have an exception that is, if there's profanity of news 320 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.440 value you, we will post it. Like you know, I put up 321 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:07.119 Bill Maher's commentary sometimes and he can't speak ten seconds without an F bomb. 322 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.640 But I posted up Glenn Lowry of Brown University a couple or three weeks ago, 323 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:17.319 and he went off on Kennedy on Kennedy with an F bomb laden tirade 324 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.720 that had John mcwardor the other I think courageous, an interesting black intellectual our 325 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.640 time laughing hysterically and anyway, it's just fantastic, and that's the right I 326 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:27.240 add to to have about things. I just want to mention for some of 327 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:32.960 you out there that I have also been um censored on powerline comments. So 328 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.400 I go and I can't really say that on the comments when people say that, 329 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:45.559 but I wanted you guys to know Scott m about that anyway. I 330 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.720 had to. I had to write a very contrite apology to Scott to get 331 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.119 back on once. I've got form letters for this now i'll pass them out 332 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.720 later. But but you okay, go on, No, I go ahead. 333 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.200 I actually forgot. I just thought of somebody that I wanted to add, 334 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.279 since you gave more than three. Sure, but I forgot already because 335 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.759 I started thinking about not being able to comment without profanity or almost profanity, 336 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.599 and right I forgot. So I'll think of it later. Okay, maybe 337 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.680 we'll come back to you. What else should we I mean, I don't 338 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.119 I think we should have for just a moment and shout it out and I'll 339 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.559 repeated it. Okay, give me, okay, give us, give us 340 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.119 a couple nominations for people to arrest. Sorry, he's on his list. 341 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.279 He just didn't get to yeah, he is like ninety two years old, 342 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.559 and I'm thinking he'll be a self correcting problem for his son. His son, 343 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.640 that could be. Yeah, his son is awful. I am. 344 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.839 It's a long strange story. I won't go through. But I did meet 345 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.319 him once. I got invited to meet with him and the board of his 346 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.200 foundation, which is all the worst leftists in the world. This is more 347 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.839 than ten years ago. And even then he had his headphones on for hearing 348 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.400 it because he couldn't hear from just across a table, and he seemed pretty 349 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:00.839 decrepit in And that's, like I say, more than a decade ago. 350 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:04.640 That conversation didn't go well. I'll just put it that way. The fact 351 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.799 that you got invited in the first place makes me suspect, and makes you 352 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:14.440 very suspect. It's yeah, it was a weird set of circumstances. What 353 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.079 do you say, add my name, rest myself. Yeah, it could 354 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.759 be. It's a long strange story. Would never happen again. It was 355 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.160 amazed to happen the first time. But how could you resist the chance to, 356 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.799 you know, go see look at the sky in the face and anyway, 357 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.000 Hunter Biden, hopefully Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden. Someone said, hopefully 358 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.400 he is on his way. That I mean this is you know, I'm 359 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:38.680 old enough to remember all of the crimes petty and otherwise involved in Watergate, 360 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:44.000 and this is way off the chart compared to all of that. And I 361 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:48.039 want to bring back a term. This is an old English term, peculation. 362 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.440 Nobody in America uses that term, but that meants, you know, 363 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.000 self dealing, lining your own pockets, the kind of corruption of diverting defense 364 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.880 contracts and stuff like that. That's a great word. I love that word, 365 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.920 peculation. I want to bring back peculation as a term and apply it 366 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.720 to the Biden crime family. And I want to have all fifty one intelligence 367 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:15.599 experts arrested. And I think they deserve it, right, I see a 368 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:21.599 hand way in the back. Jane Fonda. Yeah, I hate to say 369 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:26.799 it like this, but only a crowd of this relative age bracket can appreciate 370 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.880 that, I'm afraid. Yeah, I like to say being Jane Fonda is 371 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.559 her own punishment. But although I do have a little story about that. 372 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.799 Oh gosh, I was just gonna say when Susan mentioned it, Susan, 373 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:47.279 I actually did those awful videos too. The Jane fondaobics videos remember to Breathe. 374 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.960 Yeah, I got invited once to tour Ted Turners two hundred thousand acre 375 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.400 buffalo ranch in Montana. Just kind of interesting for an environmental management point of 376 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.240 view. Although if you watch Yellowstone, the cattle ranchers Montana hate him, 377 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.440 not just for the buffalo, but he bought this land, bought all the 378 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.359 cattle on and then sold the cattle off, which crashed the prices for all 379 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:08.799 the other ranchers around. Okay, it was a while ago, now it's 380 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.960 fifteen years ago. And he turned out to be there, and there a 381 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.440 little group of us, and one person said, you know, in your 382 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.799 long career in business, you've done you know, the Goodwill Games and CNN, 383 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.440 the Atlanta Braves and Cable TV and all the rest of that. What's 384 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.039 the most innovative thing you've done? And he starts just repeating, I'd like 385 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:30.160 the Goodwill Games. And he said, marrying Jane Fonda that was real innovative. 386 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.640 And that's all I probably better say about that. He was actually a 387 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:38.359 person, very funny guy, but it's hopeless. So okay, one more, 388 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:45.160 yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, okay, Hillary Clinton kind of 389 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.200 Yesterday's news but I mean, I don't know, but at some point, 390 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.000 you can't keep letting people get away with it. Yeah, that's what it 391 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.359 comes down to. You just you can't because that's why they continue to do 392 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.039 it. That's why I mean, I don't care about Hunter, who cares, 393 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.880 But but you can't. You can't have that dual system of justice. 394 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.279 And because we all know that they'll come for us in a heartbeat and and 395 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.839 pretty soon. You know, Lincoln warns us if you if you have no 396 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.119 respect for the law, it may not be the mob, but respect for 397 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.359 the law is the thing that makes us a civilized society. And if only 398 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.880 one side gets arrested, if only one side has the book thrown at them, 399 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.759 pretty soon US law abiding citizens aren't going to put up with it anymore. 400 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.079 And there's not going to be any choice. Yeah, so theyre all 401 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:41.759 right, Oh, you can't even stand that, can you? One last 402 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.519 question for you, and then we're going to turn to audience question. Susan, 403 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.559 what are you reading right now? You're reading anything good? I'm so. 404 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.839 I'm still making my way through Beverly Gauge's biography. Yeah, I only 405 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.119 get to like half a chapter, and night is the problem. By the 406 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:02.000 time my day is Beverly Gauges. What is the actual tire title. It's 407 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.799 a June or less? Is it g Man Hoover's biography, But it's it's 408 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:12.279 a little bit like Steve's biographies of Reagan, which is not really a biography. 409 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.720 Um. It's a context, a historical context and why this person was 410 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.359 important in those historical happenings. Um. And it's actually been very fascinating and 411 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:30.480 it's a really great insight into the rise of the administrative state, and so 412 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.279 that part has been very interesting to me. It's got a lot of good 413 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.000 stuff. You know, you learn a lot of details about say, the 414 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.160 Rosenberg's execution. By the way, in case you don't remember, June nineteenth 415 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.640 is a day to celebrate because that's to day that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were 416 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:49.319 executed. Well, I always, I always celebrate August sixth, but that's 417 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:55.279 just me nine. You know, Juneteenth it's now a holiday. It's it's 418 00:30:55.319 --> 00:31:02.480 a it's a mandatory, you can't even get out of bed holiday. August 419 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.240 six is smotium a day. That's why it's Okay, what am I reading? 420 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.519 I'm reading a whole bunch of things somebody mentioned Angelo Quotavilla earlier today, 421 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.880 who was I knew pretty well, and I'm actually supposed to be writing a 422 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.640 paper about him. So I'm reading his rereading his really great book from the 423 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.799 late early nineties called The Character of Nations. Most of us books were about 424 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.240 foreign policy, defense intelligence. Those are still very much worth reading for their 425 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.160 style and insight of how to do analysis of these things, even if the 426 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.640 examples are dated. But the Character of Nations is exactly that, what are 427 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.440 countries like? It's very classical in a certain sense, you know. The 428 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.039 Plato's republic is what kind of citizens will different forms of cities produce? What 429 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.519 kind of citizens do do countries produce? And then reinforce the nature of the 430 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.880 regimes they're in. So it's a wonderful book. And so I'm writing a 431 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:55.039 long paper on the domestic vision of Angelo Quodavia, which will then be published 432 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.039 in a book ten years from now or something. I don't know. But 433 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.799 with that, I think Susan will now take questions or comments from the audience 434 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.160 about anything. Do if you're willing to share your comment or handle if you 435 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.440 have one, or your name or not, whatever, so we'll get you 436 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:15.079 first. And stand. There's been requests from people in the back that people 437 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.839 stand. Great hair guy. And my question, as you were talking about 438 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:25.960 missing things, what about the Durham report and crossfire or hurricane, Well we 439 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:32.480 ever see anything about Yeah, I'm not quite sure what to say about the 440 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.079 Durham investigation and prosecution. You know, he lost a couple of cases he 441 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:43.440 brought before DC juries, and I don't this this is something Lucretia has been 442 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:49.599 talking about at some length. Our DC juries are pro Washington, pro Democratic 443 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.759 Party juries, and I thought at least one of those cases was pretty solid 444 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.440 and he still couldn't get a conviction. So maybe that's the best he can 445 00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.400 do. I don't know. I'm not quite sure why we haven't gotten a 446 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.880 report. I think he's part of the controlled opposition. Well that's just like 447 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.400 Bill Barr, who, by the way, talking about Mike Morrell and the 448 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.680 fifty you know, the stupid letter, the Russian disinformation letter um that really 449 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.920 did have probably a decisive effect on the outcome of the twenty twenty election. 450 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.200 John Radcliffe went to Bill Barr and said this is a problem, and Bill 451 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.480 Bard refused to do anything about it. And you know, we all had 452 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:31.279 such great hopes for about five minutes for Bill Barr and you know that so 453 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.519 so yes, I think that that more than anything, they're the conscious of 454 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:45.039 conscious conscious of the controlled opposition pretends to want to do the right thing, 455 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.400 but they're not willing to do what's necessary. And I actually think that's true 456 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:53.799 about Durham too, because even thinking about the cases that he brought, they 457 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.640 weren't serious problems considering all the serious problems there were with us whole awful situation, 458 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.920 and he's, you know, to do this as sort of a simple 459 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:12.800 criminal kind of activity. It's not. It's a political problem more than it 460 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.920 is a criminal problem. I mean, those people, of course need to 461 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.199 go to jail and they should all be punished. But when you're just sort 462 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:23.440 of presenting these tedious criminal trials to a Washington DC jury, you kind of 463 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.239 need to expect that it's not going to get any coverage and it's not going 464 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.199 to go anywhere. I know that that's really a negative, depressing way to 465 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.360 look at it, but I think that's been my opinion about it for some 466 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.920 time. Well, I mean, this is congrub what you say, which 467 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:45.199 is his investigation looks like a classic mob investigation where you died and convict the 468 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.719 low level guys for little things and hope they'll roll uphill against the big guys. 469 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.360 Maybe that would have happened if he'd gotten convictions, but he didn't, 470 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.280 so it looks like it's a dead end. Maybe that's on you know, 471 00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.800 we don't necessarily say it was on purpose, But the broader point is it 472 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.719 did lack a certain boldness that you need a time like this. So, 473 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.800 by the way you mentioned Hillary, I've lately been reading, for strange reasons, 474 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.519 rereading some of the old material about the Hiss Chambers case from nineteen forty 475 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.159 eight, and so there, you know, the statue of limitations for espionage 476 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.960 had passed, but perjury before a congressional committee it was still a valid charge. 477 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.199 And that's what his was convicted of, was perjury. We don't charge 478 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.360 anybody with perjury before a congressional committee anymore, even though there's lots of current 479 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.159 examples of all that. You had a firsts other example. We went off 480 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.320 on Durham and you had two didn't you crossfire, crossfire, Hurricane. I've 481 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.400 almost forgotten what that is. That was the do you remember Odammy? This 482 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:45.000 is god good point right, it's all disappeared someone else. There's a whole 483 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.800 bunch over there, Susan. Yeah, too far to walk. After she 484 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.280 asked her question, walked back to the corner. He had a whole bunch 485 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.480 of hands. Right, l I can walk it on back. WHOA, 486 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.800 this thing really works? So my handle is Lucy. No, not that 487 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:09.679 one, and right, Yes, My question is you often hear people on 488 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.559 our side of the political I I'll talk about the regime and the narrative and 489 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.159 how these things get perpetuate, perpetuated, and everybody says, well, who 490 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.679 are they because they were there before Trump, they were there after Trump? 491 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.920 Who who is this so called regime? Do you have a theory about that? 492 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.280 Yeah? You know, I was going to ask you a question I 493 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.440 forgot, which is, what do you think is the biggest general problem plaguing 494 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.280 the country? What explains a lot of things we object to? I was 495 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.239 hoping you'd say historicism, but you're just asked the question in a more precise 496 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.760 form. Do you want me to go first or go ahead? So, 497 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.639 first of all, when we yeah, we have we should apologize for being 498 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.199 academic political scientists. When we say regime, we don't mean it. The 499 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.960 way it was meant back in the eighties or you know, you usually when 500 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.960 you say regime, you think tyranny, authoritarian regime. What we meant is 501 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.119 the way the classics meant it, like Aristotle and Plato, which is what 502 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.239 is the nature of the like what Angelo Codabi's book, what's the character of 503 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.360 the country? Now that way, I don't, I mean, I mean 504 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:23.679 it awful well contexts. Yeah, actually, it is true that we're now 505 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.280 using it, say our side, roughly speaking, we're now using it in 506 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.920 that fashion on purpose. Now, the narrative question, that's a fun one. 507 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.199 What I say about it is for the left, especially the postmodern left. 508 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.280 And I don't know how much you want to be bored with explanations of 509 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.760 that, but they believe the narrative is everything, you know, the storyline. 510 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.960 And a couple of people have mentioned here during the course of the day, 511 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.960 people don't study history anymore, or they don't know history, or they 512 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.679 get it wrong, and so the narrative is replaced history or even reason and 513 00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.639 rational deliberation. Now, who does this. There's not a cent committee for 514 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.159 it. I mean, academia serves as one and the media serves as an 515 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.599 amplifier. Of it. But I've always liked the metaphor that Joe Sobern and 516 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.559 Tom Bethel came up with forty years ago. By the way, Joe Sobern's 517 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.639 the guy who said, if you want to trace the client of American education, 518 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.840 we've gone in a century from teaching Greek and Latin and high school to 519 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.119 teaching remedial English in college. There you go. But they both came up 520 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.119 with an idea that the left operates like a beehive. You don't need to 521 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:36.159 have a meeting. An issue comes up. James Burnham wrote this in Suicide 522 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.800 of the West in the sixties two. An issue comes up, and the 523 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.679 left snaps into gear. They all know what the party line is, they 524 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.159 all know what the narrative is. It's kind of automatic with the left, 525 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.320 it's the pattern of their thinking. There is less of that on the right, 526 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.840 I think. And so that's some of the elements of it. A 527 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.599 very quick overview of it. You want to add any thing to that or 528 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.800 fill in mine is much more basic. M No. And I don't mean 529 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:07.400 that as an insult. I just I see the election of twenty sixteen as 530 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.800 a kind of watershed moment. All the things that you talked about are true 531 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:16.639 and have been true for some time. But what happened when the deep state, 532 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:22.079 whatever you want to call it, went all in for Hillary, broke 533 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.760 every law that they could imagine, concocted every good story they could think of, 534 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.119 the you know, the dossier and all of that, and then Hillary 535 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.880 still lost, which meant that everything that they had done was likely to come 536 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.519 to light, right and and much of it did we know that. We 537 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.639 saw what happened with the you know, the lovers and Lisa Page and whatever 538 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.840 his name was, and you know, McCabe, and we saw how incredibly 539 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:58.119 corrupt and dishonest and law breaking those people were, but nothing happened to any 540 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.159 of them. One guy lost is La la license for a day and a 541 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.920 half or something, you know, And I mean, it's really horrendous. 542 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.239 But they circled like why because they had gotten so used to operating in that 543 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.199 corrupt manner, they expected Hillary to come along and you know, just continue 544 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.440 on as usual. And the problem with Trump, whatever you think about in 545 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.000 pro or con, he really did come to upset the cookie jar, the 546 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:29.800 candy, the whatever it is, the apple cart, whatever the appropriate metaphor 547 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.960 is here, And the fact that he was as successful as he was. 548 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.639 I'm still convinced that that everything that happened with COVID, not necessarily the release 549 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.679 of it, but but everything that happened subsequently was in fact primarily an attempt 550 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:55.159 globally to keep Trump from being reelected. But that Calucy's question, who are 551 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.559 these people? Were? Well, there anybody in a position of power and 552 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.880 authority in Washington, DC who doesn't want to give up that power and authority. 553 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:08.159 And they're not necessarily just Democrats. They're aided and embedded every single day 554 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.000 by many, many Republicans and positions of power. And if you've ever listened 555 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.320 to the three Whiskey Happy Hour, you can you you heard me say with 556 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:22.079 with Republicans like that, who needs democrats? But but so it really it 557 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.079 goes back to Steve at the said at the beginning, controlled opposition is all 558 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:30.039 they'll tolerate. And it's a subterfuge, it's performative, whatever word you want 559 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.599 to use. So we can pretend like there's actually two different parties and an 560 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.880 opposition that is standing up against what's happening in Washington. We know that's not 561 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:44.239 true. Think about how many Republicans voted for the infrastructure bill. I mean, 562 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.920 what happened to what Republican on the planet would have even thought about voting 563 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:53.159 for that? What about voting for I'm not against it, but why would 564 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:59.599 you vote as a Republican for a federal law legalizing same sex marriage? I 565 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.039 mean? So Republicans are worthless, and they make me matter than Democrats because 566 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.880 at least they're sort of true to their principles most of the time, which 567 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:12.119 are of course corrupt and lawless, but still their principles. Don't don't hold 568 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.000 back. You tell us what you really think. You know, so telling 569 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.079 me I'm wrong? We know at once? One? And so, what 570 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:22.960 will happen to Mike Morrell? What will happen to Anthony B. Lincoln? 571 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.039 Who who was behind all this? What will happen to Garland when that whistleblower 572 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.599 comes up and says Garland lied before Congress? You said it yourself, that's 573 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.679 a crime. You want to have a bet about whether Garland will end up 574 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:40.599 in jail like uh, like his No, I know how that bet will 575 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:46.000 turn out. One of the one of the crash accusations is probably too strong 576 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.599 word. He says, I'm too much of an optimist I'm too cheerful about 577 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.920 things. But so my way of putting it is a little more lighthearted. 578 00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.400 Again again from my first mentor, Stan Evans, who's who said us been 579 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.519 the Nixon year. He says, too many people go to Washington conservatives. 580 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.960 He means thinking they're going to drain a swamp. He used that phrase fifty 581 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.719 years ago only to discover that Washington is a hot tub. That explains a 582 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.400 lot. I think that's true. The other variation is a little sharper, 583 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.599 which is and this has happened in all Republican administrations. So why is it 584 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.800 whenever one of us gets in a position of power to do some good, 585 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.280 he's no longer one of us. That's the phenomenon of going native. But 586 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.039 that's a really big problem. Trump had it. He appointed a lot of 587 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.480 people who, you know, you mentioned a few who turned out to be 588 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.400 more about something else than serving the designs and intentions of the president. And 589 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:43.239 that's a really big problem. So Jeff had the nice talk about the military, 590 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.360 and there's obviously a lot of retired military folks here and people who appreciate 591 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:53.840 retired military folks. I thought that when Trump appointed Maddess, when he appointed 592 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.239 Kelly. When he appointed all of those generals to positions of power, I 593 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.119 thought the same. I think Trump thought these got to be good, patriotic 594 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.000 people, and they turned out to be disasters. And then I have a 595 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:17.079 position, a volunteer appointed position that affords me the status the protocol of a 596 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.800 three star general. So I get a certain amount of what shall we say, 597 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.360 a traction with the military. And I am just appalled. I am 598 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.719 just appalled at the state of our military today. And I tell Steve, 599 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.079 part of it is that we require our officers to go to universities. And 600 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.960 if you think that the service academies are any better, they're not. They're 601 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:44.000 even worse in many ways. And so our military is so corrupt now and 602 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.480 ten years ago I could have never thought that, And so that's one of 603 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.039 another reason why I'm not very optimistic anymore about this. I know who it 604 00:44:52.199 --> 00:45:01.119 was I was going to add to my list, Mark Millie, or thoroughly 605 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.079 Modern Millie, as I elect to call him. After the Broadway Blake and 606 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.679 Susan, they have another question from somebody we went on a while here. 607 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:17.639 Don't strain yourself, Susan Anthony hates Mayo. You know, I do too, 608 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.400 right, Well, there you go, all the enlightened people do. 609 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:27.239 That's so this actually is piggybacks well to what you just said. And i'd 610 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.440 be interested in each of your comments on this. And I preface this by 611 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:35.719 saying I'm a two time Trump voter. I think that Trump's policies were excellent. 612 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.360 I care very little that he's a thick fingered orange vulgarian. However, 613 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.719 one of the things that I've noticed, and I think this manifests itself even 614 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.199 in the comment threads recently a power line is that there appears to be a 615 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.880 growing what i'll call circular firing squad between what I'll characterizes the only Trump people 616 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.159 who basically say, if it's not Trump, essentially I'm staying. And by 617 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:05.039 the way, you'd be hard to get to the right of me on pretty 618 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.360 much any issue. As John Kerry would say, I'm to the right of 619 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.519 Jingis Khan. But i'd be interested in your reaction to this dynamic as we're 620 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.519 heading into twenty twenty four, where I see a lot of sniping. And 621 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:21.760 by the way, I'm sure there's a broad spectrum here on a continuum of 622 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:29.079 sort of viewpoints. I agree absolutely that most of the Republican establishment are feckless, 623 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:35.840 hypocrites, feather betting disgusting. However, my viewpoint remains, setting aside 624 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.760 the fact that I don't know whether we can overcome our entirely corrupt election system, 625 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:44.039 but assuming that that can happen, if we have a large segment of 626 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:49.000 a Republican base whose attitude is essentially if it's not Trump, I'm staying home. 627 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.440 My perspective is we're seating the field now to a party and an ideology 628 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:58.960 that has become, in my view, an existential threat to what this country 629 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.000 stands for. And I'm interested your reaction, both as a tactical matter, 630 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.760 but also as a larger Is this a purging that needs to happen, because 631 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.320 I think the people that believe that the Mitch McConnell's and the Mittens and the 632 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.039 Murkowskis of the world just have to go. My view is that I'd use 633 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.320 this analogy before to me the Democrats and Republicans. The differences. If you're 634 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.360 in a bar fight, the Republicans are your wingman who's going to let you 635 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.400 get beaten up. The Democrats are actively hitting you in the face with a 636 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:31.039 pool queue and we can't risk that by standing on some sort of purity test 637 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:37.639 for what a true conservative is. That was that was magnificently put. That's 638 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:45.920 because he needs mayonnaise. By the way, I do have to tell a 639 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.800 joke about the two party system, supposedly a true story. Some Russian comes 640 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.760 over after the Soviet Union ends, says, please explain the American two party 641 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:59.800 system, and Republican aide says, and the Senate says to him, well, 642 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.360 we have two parties, the evil party and the stupid party. Being 643 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.039 a republic I'm in an evil party. Sometimes the evil Party and the stupid 644 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.400 party get together and do something really evil and stupid, and that's called bipartisanship. 645 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.039 The boy, isn't that true? If that we call the uni party? 646 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:21.239 Right? I said, that was really magnificently put. Um. I'm 647 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.400 I'm in very large agreement about By the way, I sometimes say, and 648 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:28.239 I actually more than half mean it, your Trump's crudeness. That was some 649 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.199 of the stuff I like the best, you know, I mean, the 650 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.039 way he could outrage the media. It's people. You've heard his metaphors. 651 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.440 It's like somebody with a laser point or to a cat on the wall. 652 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.079 Right. It was wonderful to watch. It was better than Nixon could ever 653 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.920 do, or even Reagan, because Reagan was more artful about it, and 654 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.599 Trump's you know, if I call him pig headed, I mean that as 655 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.800 a compliment. You know, he was just determined and was not going to 656 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.679 be swayed by what the New York Times thought. He would just insult them 657 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.239 back, whether it was factual or it was great. And most of his 658 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.559 instincts are I kind of wish he had more policy depth and things like that, 659 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.280 but you can't be perfect. He's got the right. He knows who 660 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.480 the enemy is. You know, he fights you. Hear all these cliches 661 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.039 before you go on. Do you think he always knew who the enemy was? 662 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.000 Ah, Now there's an interesting question. I have a hypothesis about that, 663 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.519 which was Trump had been all over the map for most of his life 664 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.280 politically, he'd been in both parties, had been pro abortion, he'd been 665 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:31.400 something else, with two exceptions. He was always going back to the eighties. 666 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.000 It was always very skeptical of free trade and thought it would lead to 667 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.719 the consequences that it did for the America's heartland. And he thought our allies 668 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.440 in Europe are getting were free riders on American defense, which is certainly true. 669 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:46.599 For that he's been very consistent, and those two things are loan are 670 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:50.480 pretty big. But I also think this is a guy who's used to having 671 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.880 a number one show on TV, gets civil rights awards from Jesse Jackson and 672 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.159 Al Sharpton. I mean, people thought he was a blowhard, but he 673 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:04.079 was somebody he always wanted around. He Bill and Hillary Clinton came to his 674 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:09.760 wedding to Millennia. Very brief digression. There's a famous picture you can see 675 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.440 of a foursome in golf and it's Giuliani, Clinton, Trump, and Michael 676 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.599 Bloomberg. And I didn't once ask yes, that's right. I did once 677 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.119 ask Giuliani. I got to Meetium and spend some time with him once and 678 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:28.199 said what was that like? He went on for twenty minutes with hilarious stories 679 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.519 about what that foursome was like, specifically that Clinton cheated on every whole. 680 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:37.280 But oh we know that, okay. So I mean, here's the practical 681 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:42.639 problem is I think it is true that Trump just turns off a lot of 682 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.599 swing voters, and with things so finally balanced, Canny win again. He 683 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:51.639 might be the best candidate. I wouldn't rule it out. I think he 684 00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:58.159 can beat Biden depending on what circumstances are next year, which well I can. 685 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.679 You can throw out your own scenarios what next year might be like with 686 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:07.280 even before getting to Biden's incapacity to talk or do anything, which is increasingly 687 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.639 evident every day. So so there's the problem. I've been trying to encourage 688 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:14.559 people to just keep a cool head about it. Right, Let's not this 689 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.320 is you know that I'll be sort of sentimental and Lincolnian. Let's you know, 690 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.119 charity for all I did, I guess I will say this. I 691 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:28.719 did disagree with my colleague John Hender Rocker's post the other day that's time for 692 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.880 Trump to go. I think Trump is making mistakes and being very foolish the 693 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.840 way attacks to Santis. But that's Trump, and I think we shouldn't be 694 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.320 saying let's let it play out and see what happens. And right now Trump 695 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.519 looks like the odds on favorite to win, but we'll see what happens here. 696 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.039 So if you were going to ask Lucretia what the ideal if I could 697 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.360 be king for a day or even something greater, I think that what I 698 00:51:53.400 --> 00:52:01.400 would like to see is Trump fully back to Santis and bring everything he has 699 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.519 to bear, not because I first of all, Trump only has one more 700 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:12.719 term and they won't stop. I'm not sure they won't stop against DeSantis either, 701 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.199 but DeSantis might be able to appeal to those stupid soccer moms in the 702 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:22.199 suburbs. I don't know. But would am I going to vote for Trump? 703 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.840 I betcha, you know, there's no question about that. And what 704 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.840 I see though is when I asked Steve the question, did Trump know who 705 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:37.599 his enemies were before he became president? What I'm afraid I'm seeing Trump do 706 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.800 now is a little bit of the same thing, which is he's sometimes pushing 707 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.480 back on things he should know better, just because he wants to be against 708 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:51.679 Asantas or against this or that. And there are things that he's a little 709 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:57.880 bit too contrary about things, because I do think his understanding is just instinctual 710 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.119 and it doesn't really go deeper than that. And so he can, you 711 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.440 know, criticize, he can take sides with Disney against a Santis. That's 712 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.119 stupid any way you look at it. And again, I'd vote for Trump 713 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.199 and a heartbeat. But if I'm looking to the future and I have no 714 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.679 control over anything, nor do I even understand the tactics involved. I'd like 715 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:21.280 to see Trump and to Santis in a united front in some way that would 716 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:25.360 work for both of them. I mean, Trump could say I put my 717 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:31.000 blessing onto Santis and help him win and and and gain back some of what 718 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:36.960 he believes that he was cheated out of in twenty twenty was he could do 719 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.880 that. It's just probably not very trump like, but that would be my 720 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.920 perfect answer to your question. If that helps, Anthony, I'll vote for 721 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:50.920 Trump no matter what, no matter what. Doesn't seem like it. It 722 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.679 doesn't seem like it. You have to take this as your Churchill said this, 723 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.039 You have to take the rough with the smooth, and that an hrombastic 724 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.599 part of Trump is that one word, it's his good side. Well, 725 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.800 well I'm putting good, you know, charitably, that side of him goes 726 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.760 along with the tough side of him that's good in office, and so you 727 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:13.400 really can't disentangle them, right. Yeah, it's tough, Yeah, but 728 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.760 it is a uss Grant situation. He's willing to fight, Yeah, he 729 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:22.639 just doesn't always fight against the right people. That's that's I think the issue. 730 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:30.679 Yeah, okay, yeah, I think we have time for two more 731 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.679 because it's four fifteen and we have a four to thirty sound check and we 732 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.960 have an hour before the cocktail and then the big banquet and then me for 733 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.840 God's sake, So all right, let's see who other hunts up over here? 734 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.440 Oh yeah, okay, thank you. J R. Austin, that's 735 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.599 actually my real name. What do you think the Democrats are going to do 736 00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:01.760 with Bobby Kennedy's candidacy? Oh so, yeah, who know, as we're 737 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:07.280 speaking today Monday, supposedly Biden is going to announce tomorrow that he's running for 738 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:12.760 reelection. There's this whole flurry of stories in the mainstream media the last few 739 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:17.360 days of you know, like a leak that the Justice depart or some unit 740 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.800 law enforcement will wanted to bring four charges against hunter Biden and it has been 741 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.280 blocked and so, and then in the polls that they've been releasing on the 742 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.039 Democrats, who are Biden to run again? The fact that Robert F. 743 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.119 Kennedy Junior, who I've always thought was a nut, is polling at twelve 744 00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:36.480 percent with just one little event. He's got a famous name. I don't 745 00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:37.119 know if that's going to work or not, but this is all kind of 746 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.679 interesting. I don't think he can possibly make it. I mean, he 747 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.159 already can't have a press conference. I don't know if he saw the Wall 748 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.519 Street Journal editorial last Saturday, but it was very long, and you know 749 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.119 the journal, there are serious people that editorial page. So when they write 750 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.800 editorial like that, they've thought about it a lot. They've got some good 751 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:59.000 reporting behind it, and they didn't publish that lightly saying this can't possibly happen 752 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:07.119 because he really is getting senile and incapable and he can't do it. No, 753 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.679 no, no, no, sorry, well he's a he's a little 754 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.280 okay, we'll see about that. He can't possibly carry this off. I 755 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.159 think, by the way, I've been tracking for months all the bad articles 756 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.880 about Kamela Harris, and I think if Biden's not behind it, someone close 757 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.440 to him is. Because I think they know she was a huge blunder, 758 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.559 and as a anchor on the ticket, they'd like to get rid of her. 759 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.719 I think her office is planting some of these stories back about Biden, 760 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.039 all these stories. I mean, I've been a media critic forever. All 761 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.719 these stories are based on anonymous sources close to the White House. That's a 762 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:44.000 telltare mark of a planted story. And what's the news value of this? 763 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.039 There's no news peg like you know, the inflation number today or something. 764 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:50.679 These are all manufactured stories. So I'm watching this drama saying this is, 765 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:55.039 you know, interesting to see how this plays out. Um, Biden didn't 766 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.679 spend fifty years of his life panting after the White House like Gallum after the 767 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.000 race to give it up after one term, even at age one hundred and 768 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.000 twelve or whatever the heck he is. I don't think Biden has anything to 769 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.679 do with it. Well, I don't know, I really don't. I 770 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:15.719 mean, I probably doctor Jill and others. I mean, Biden's not I 771 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:21.119 think he's probably been convinced that he's now a radical left wing nut job by 772 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.599 by the people around him. But he's not making decisions about these things. 773 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.840 They are exploiting and leveraging his lust for power to keep him doing these things. 774 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:36.000 I heard Kaylee mckin any today say if she could talk to Biden, 775 00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.119 she'd ask him one question, why why would you do this? Why do 776 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:42.960 you want to run for president? The trappings of power? Are not that 777 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.480 great. Go go to your house in Delaware, your beach house, and 778 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:53.039 stay there, spend time with your grandchildren. You're not fit to be president. 779 00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.679 Why do you want to do this? And of course the real question 780 00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:01.400 is to the people around Biden, whom I consider to be guilty of elderly 781 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:07.280 abuse, including his wife. Yeah it's I mean, maybe Biden's responsible for 782 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.400 some of it, but the people around him should be saying absolutely not. 783 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.400 But you know, they're they're they're holding those levers of power and they're not 784 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:21.920 wanting to give it up. Again about double standards, hypocrisy, we now 785 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.000 have a president that the media in the eighties said we had Ronald Reagan but 786 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.320 wasn't true, right, an old guy who napped all the time. We 787 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.400 do have that now, and nobody's harding. Anybody's pointing this out once in 788 00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.840 a while. A story, One last question real quick, and then we'll 789 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.840 wrap. Yeah. Then we'll have Ken speaking for one minute and go, 790 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.880 thank you. Hi. Two a Buddha here, and I just want to 791 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:51.480 briefly ask what do you think of the eventuality and possible consequences of an Israeli 792 00:58:51.519 --> 00:59:05.400 attack on Iran? Oh? Hoping it happens, so I will. I'm 793 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.159 even on the record here, but I'm gonna do it anyway. I think 794 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:15.280 Joe Biden is very hostile to Israel's that you're on the saying that, Wow, 795 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.280 more so than well, what I'm holding back from saying is I actually 796 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.000 thinking may be a closet and anti Semite. And I can go through reasons 797 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:27.239 why I think that, but we're almost out of time. But and we 798 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.079 know the Obama people were actually even the Bush administration, You've got to go 799 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.920 back twenty years now, they were all holding back Israel from making an attack. 800 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.679 And we know that. I mean, I think this is beyond contest. 801 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.960 We know that the Biden administration, like the Obama administration, try to 802 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.000 interfere with the Israeli elections because they hate Net and Yahoo as much as they 803 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.639 hate Trump. They're behind some of these protests about judicial reform. No, 804 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:58.000 it just it really stinks. And wouldn't surprise me to see a Bid administration 805 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:02.039 if Israel launches an attack, not co op right, lean on our Arab 806 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.039 allies and Israel's Arab allies wink winks. The Saudis, I think have given 807 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.159 them permission for flyover if they want to attack Iran, at least they did 808 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.920 under Trump. Fortunately those people no longer listen to the Biden administration, so 809 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.639 we go back to worry about Yeah, I mean some of the what Saudis 810 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.559 have been doing with you know, a deal with China and all this stuff. 811 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.880 That's a middle finger to Biden directly, and he deserves it. So 812 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:28.400 anyway, sorry, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Biden administration 813 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.440 vote in the United Nations to condemn Israel if they make an attack. It's 814 01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:37.239 um And then yeah, I'm not quite sure how the plays out. But 815 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.400 this is not an answer to your question. But I read a story this 816 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:47.880 morning that Bush, George Bush, Barack Obama, no, no, no, 817 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:54.440 who's the other president Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton? I know, I 818 01:00:54.480 --> 01:01:01.280 couldn't remember. The three of them are headlining a charitable organization that is flying 819 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:07.679 illegal aliens in from Mexico into different parts of the country. I think that 820 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:12.480 went through. I think that went through. And yeah, I know that 821 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.519 it's it's not doesn't appear on the surface to be related to um the question 822 01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:22.599 about Israel. But are other than Trump, quite frankly, our foreign policy 823 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:29.079 towards Israel has been a disaster under every president for the last what probably twenty 824 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.639 twenty. Yeah, and so there's a reason to vote for Trump. What 825 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:39.119 DeSantis would do, I don't actually know. Well, we didn't talk about 826 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.639 foreign policy at all, which isn't a strong suit. Well it shouldn't be 827 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.800 for a governor. But anyway, it is time for us to go. 828 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.920 You want to send us out to do it. First of all, I 829 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.760 want to say thank you everyone. It's been delightful. I wish we could 830 01:01:50.760 --> 01:02:01.239 do this every time. It's been especially lovely, putting names faces to names. 831 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.679 I have to say. Some of you I've I've had. Oh, 832 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:10.599 thank you. At least you sometimes see the picture. I never see pictures 833 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.960 of you guys, because I don't think anybody has their picture in their avatar 834 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:16.679 that I can think of. Maybe a couple, but it's so tiny I 835 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.360 can't see it at my age. So so thank you, and it's thank 836 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.119 you for coming, thank you for being here to support Susan. I think 837 01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:35.840 we should all thank Susan really quickly in public. And Joe, so if 838 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:42.400 you drink whiskey, always drink your whiskey. Neat, don't forget to milk 839 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:49.079 the soft serve power, dividend Jim and let's go. Brandon. Thanks everybody. 840 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:06.840 I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be. Are you gonna give your 841 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:15.400 love to me? I love you night and day. You know my love 842 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:32.400 and not beay. You know my love and not be away. My love 843 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:43.119 a bigger than the call after I show. You're driving me back. You 844 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:49.760 loving me got to be real if you didn't know it, just how I 845 01:03:50.000 --> 01:04:04.760 feel a love for you, not bet Ay Ricochet joined the conversation