Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willis your host, and
at this point we are guests lists. I'm not sure what happened. Luckily,
Alejandro's in the wings. He's going to help out with the news and
wing it for a while and perhaps the guests will join us. You know,
every once in a while this happens where I say, look, the
show starts at six pm Eastern Standard time, and when it's overseas, I
make it easy to say New York time and Eastern time New York time,
and they understand. I really don't know where I guess Joseph Burkes lives.
How about that I should know that. But anyway, I did message him
to join in call us when he actually gets the message. He has not
been responding to email today. I don't know what happened. Hopefully he's okay
and all as well. But for now we'll move on with Alejandro and I
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me. And I got my good buddy on Alejandro Rojas. How are you?
I am well, how are you good? Hey? You got your
you set up pretty fancy, now, very fancy. I know you get
this new HD camera crystal clear. This is of course for all the people
that are listening, and we're going to put you over on full screen so
they can show so we can show you a little gadget you have there.
That's pretty cool. But anyway, you've been doing all kinds of stuff.
We haven't talked since you were at Devil's Tower and all that so ditched me
last week. I'm sorry. Well it was on location, and I'll tell
you it was. It was a seat of the pants type of thing because
I was delayed at the border of Canada and luckily I got an internet didn't
work. It was one of those cases where just the last two minutes before
the show. I think it's really funny if someone could actually see behind the
scenes. For instance, I was looking at places today and just rolled in,
you know, so sometimes we do that. When it's a live show,
you're kind of bound to you know, you can't help it. When
there's like traffic or something like that. You just got to do what you
can do. And maybe that's why I'm Joseph. Yeah, Yeah, it's
funny you say that, Yeah, because often you know, I'm running around.
I mean, people can tell because after when I'm joining this show,
I'm like, you know, not as prepared or or I've got to drag
the screen up really quick and get the camera ready. But yeah, luckily
I had enough time to get my fools awesome set up here and to be
ready for the show. So that's just what happens. And you can see
my mug. Look at how good that looks. Small Internationally UFO Congress smug
that you could get at the UFO Congress dot Com store. Go there and
buy that. That's pretty niche. Shameless, shameless plug. But yeah,
you wanted me to show up. This is actually one of the if someone
you know, saw one of my live streams, I showed this too and
decided to get this out. Essentially one of you have to explain it to
the people that are not watching. Yeah, it is only it's a little
ball. It's actually uh, similar to the flux capacitor um. I thought
that's what it was. Yeah, time space. It's actually an updated version
from what you saw in the eighties television or movie. Uh, and that's
why it's a ball with the you know these this energy that that comes out
of it, and it's a it's a it's tons of energy, so you
shouldn't touch it. You can see what happens, so that hurts. Yeah,
So I was working on that and the engine up here on the spacecraft.
I know there's some people that are probably gonna say, no, you
got that expensers, but no, that's a part of our spaceship up here.
Well I'm yeah, I've got lets. Sorry, sorry, go ahead.
I was just gonna say, I have to get myself a lava lamp
or something. I still would be really cool. We have giant ones at
the International UFO Congress are Danny Um. You know, this crazy kid that
helps us out brings these giant ones that he pushed back stage. You've seen
that, Um, which is a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah,
I know. It just gives it gives the light you need to work back
there because I helped you out last year. Working exactly back gives the job
to find the keyboard and all that stuff. Um, and then it's it
just gives a great eerie atmosphere. Reminds me of my youth. That reminds
me were you running? Do you remember were you running the you know,
the switcher during Robbie Graham's talk. I believe so did I I think you
might have been the Only reason I ask is because people can see some of
your handywork because we uploaded Robbie Graham's video to our Video on Demand and so
those of you who are subscribers to that will be able to watch that video.
We just uploaded it yesterday, and that is Martin Tandy work. So
the guy who's switching from you know, camera to camera essentially backstage, that
is you, Martin. Is that the man behind the curtain on that one.
Well, I was hoping it wasn't like a trick question. Were you
the one that did that show? And Joe and Robbie Graham? We shouldn't
tell people. And I don't know if you get this, but it is
a good point. Whenever I'm writing or doing the podcast, I always try
to talk as though the listener knows nothing about this field. And recently someone
said, hey, sometimes you mentioned names and stuff, but you don't tell
us who these people are. And I think it's always wise to describe those
things. So for people who don't know who Robbie Graham is, he is.
He wrote a book called Silver Screen Saucers. He's from the UK,
a researcher silver Screen Saucers. It's essentially UFOs and intelligence agencies and when it
comes to movies and stuff. So a very well researched book. But he's
got some really interesting insights. Do you remember any of the points he made
that that resonated weakly? Because you know, when you're behind the scenes,
it's it's really hard to you know, pay attention to what's going on.
Yeah, so you could check that out, but otherwise, you know,
I was just honestly, when you were talking and you introduced me. People
might have noticed I wasn't paying attention to the camera. I was doing something
on the computer. But this is why this is really cool. So you
had on Jeremy Corbell fairly recently, right, Yes, I had Jeremy Corbel
Corbell, hang on just one second. We have a we may have an
issue here and I just stepped us up. No, I don't see anything
wrong. We have some type of audio issue. Uh good on our end.
So it's something to do. It's got to be something to do with
YouTube. You know, often the video turns out okay. Yeah. Ray
says it sounds perfect, which is great. It could be. Yeah,
it's so everyone says you're you're great. Um. But anyway, so let's
just move on. And you were talking about Robbie Graham. No, actually
I was talking about Jeremy Corbell because that's why you switched to that. That's
right. Both of us have had him on our show recently because of his
new documentary Hunt for the skin Walker, which if you haven't seen it,
you really got to see it because it's it's very important. Sure, some
people are saying, well, I read the books, so I already know
all that stuff, But there are some pieces of information that you will not
know, including that you know the government was involved. Well you probably know
from listening to Jeremy and us, but this is really cool. So Jeremy
just tweeted just a couple of minutes ago that the AP News release their list
today of top ten films on iTunes, and sure enough, right here under
the top ten movies US charts for independent movies, Skinwalker is number ten.
Which I think it's really important because really that was the most credible paranormal investigation
probably to ever to have taken place a large scale. Turns out it was
funded by the government, and so I think that it's important that people get
this information to know first of all, where their tax dollars went, but
also about this just odd case and I would like to get your thoughts on
it. But one of the feedback, some of the feedback people have shared
his app that there was no pictures or videos, and that actually was kind
of the point. So if you've heard some of the interviews that Martin and
I have done with these guys over the years, is that they felt they
were outsmarted. That even these these scientists who felt that they would be able
to come in figure it out. They weren't able to figure anything out that
they came in, experienced a lot of really weird paranormal stuff personally, and
then were not able to capture anything on video or anything. They kind of
felt like the phenomena outsmarted them. John Alexander called it a precognitive sentient intelligence
behind it, meaning that he felt it was able to figure out, you
know, what they were doing before they were able to figure it out.
So really weird stuff that is strange, that is strange. Well, let's
let's talk about the Devil's Tower. Okay, So the Devil's Tower. So
that does remind me of a comment I was going to make, which was
you said that you know, you hate to have to ask Race to make
a comment when the show's live. I think that's one big advantage you have
is at Races on the other side, because Race has this amazing, one
of the most amazing radio voices ever in the world. So I love to
hear his voice, but so pipe in whenever you want. Race. Because
Race was at the Devil's Tower UFO event and so the KGr A crew was
there to help support it. Very small crowd it's a very small town.
Why Oming's very small. I mean the largest town is Cheyenne, which is
very small at least for a big city kid like me. But it's absolutely
gorgeous out there. And if you haven't been to the Devil's Tower, I
think race can attest to this. It's absolutely gorgeous, amazing natural structure,
and you look at it and it is a bit mind boggling. It certainly
to me, does not look like, especially close a tree stump, but
it looks like what it is, the remnants of this large volcano. It's
gorgeous. It's definitely something that every American and anyone around the world for that
matter, would want to lay eyes on, your natural eyes on it.
It's touted as America's first monument, and that, indeed, I can say
is a good title because the journey we took a ten hour ride, you
know, across the Wyoming which that in itself has about ten different descriptive landscapes
between Utah and then the north east side of Wyoming, of course, then
you go to the west side, the northwest side, and then there's Yellowstone
and God, everybody knows that's been there knows how beautiful that place is.
But Hewlett, Wyoming was a quaint like it was like stepping back in time.
It was the businesses downtown sort of embraced the old wild West the theme
and all the stores and the shops and the antique malls and all that are
all done and like, um, you know, eighteen hundreds of western kind
of a style, and and then the wildlife, the people, the wildlife,
the environment, the landscape. It was just all perfect. And row
House. It was a small event, but everybody there was truly enchanting,
and we had a lot of fun because it was you know, I got
a chance, especially at our conference. I don't have a chance, like
like you said, you know, we're busy and we don't get a chance
to see all the lectures or you hear everybody what everybody's saying. But it's
so small that you know, all of us speakers also got to attend each
other's lectures and and you know, you were able to all interact and talk.
So it's awesome and it just you know, heightens my appreciation for all
of the speakers that were there too. So you know, David Marler's amazing,
you know, and he makes such a great argument as to in this
case. You know, first a triangular UFOs. He's been doing that for
a while and he's amazed. That's a great talk. But then he also
did this nineteen forty two to show that, you know, in La there
was a overflight something threw over flew over La nineteen forty two. They thought
it was a Japanese bomber or an enemy aircraft of some sort. They shot
just tons of artillery into the air to get this thing, and they never
got it, they said, Attilly of course rained down on the city of
Los Angeles. So you can imagine what a huge story that was. People
died, interesting enough, not from shrapnel, but from heart attacks and things
like this. That's right. So it's amazing that nobody got hurt from the
actual shrapn shrapnel, but people died. But he lays out this case.
You've got to see the selecture if you haven't, and he did do it
at the UFO Congress slash here the year before last. He lays out the
this case that this was a significant sighting. This just wasn't visual. There
was radar data. There was a lot of data recorded on this case.
So it is actually a wonderful case, so of course that was great.
Mica Hanks was there, he was part of that wildlife I think that Chase
was or that Race was just talking about. And then he of course it's
a great speaker and a great mind in this field. And then Lee Spiegel,
Mark D'Antonio, Richard beckwith who's the move fun director out there, Chryst
O'Brien, who's got this exciting project that he's getting out there. Crystal Brian
is does research in Colorado and he's created these A lot of different groups have
talked about creating these camera systems where they can grab different data to be able
to kind of triangulate in to UFOs if there's a UFO event. Well,
Chris is the first to actually implement a program like this. These other programs
are still in development after years later, so this is really exciting that Chris
is getting this going. And then Karen did her first talk and it was
great. So she focused on a group abduction cases. So for example,
even those of us who are skeptics in this field, you know, have
different cases that are really weird that are very credible. So for instance,
I feel Travis Walton's case is very credible after all of these years. Who
was a logger who went into the forest with a bunch of his buddies or
they weren't buddies actually their colleagues to investigate a UFO and then he disappeared for
five days, but a very credible case that he remembers seeing these entities.
So there's an Ala gash main case that we have discreet video at the Open
Mind on YouTube where you can hear from these guys. Another very credible case.
So she covered other credible, apparent what appears to be mass abduction cases,
So there are other credible ones out there in the books and stuff,
and she's done research over the years to figure these out. So it was
a really cool event, and of course it feels magical out there, not
just because the tower is so cool, but also because of Close Encounters the
movie. So a lot of younger people, surprisingly to me, i've been
finding out lately, have not seen Close Encounters. So if you haven't,
you got to see it, especially if you're into UFOs. But that movie,
to me is really probably the single most influential thing that has gotten me
compelled me to remain in this field and to share stories and seek out information
that I could share with public on all of this, and so it just
feels kind of magical being there in that area. And I videotaped interviews with
some of the researchers in front of the tower so you could see the tower
behind them with this very camera I'm using right now. So it turned out
really cool and they're talking about the impact of close encounters on them. Again.
You could see that on the open mind YouTube page for free also,
So that was a really fun event. It was really cool. Well,
so Karen do the slide show or yes, you know PowerPoint. She did
a slide show, although since she's not here, I can say this it
was not the most exciting slide show because she took slides from these really old
books. So the information was good. That's one thing. I think she
could do some more exciting pictures and stuff, but the information, it's a
lot of fun. And what's cool with these old books, at least with
some of these cases, it's there are images that you haven't seen before in
their original images from the witnesses when the incidents occurred, which of course is
important because with some of these cases, like with Travises or like with Yala,
gash. Those are images that we've seen that were created years after that
are kind of more more impressive and more fun to look at, more colorful,
but it's always good to look at both so you can see, you
know, how the original impressions differ from the current impressions. And yeah,
so it was a lot of fun, really interesting. You did a great
interview with George Knap, you know, one of my favorite people that's involved
in looking at the subject and so that's on Open Minds and so I talked
about that a little bit. Why don't you talk about that a little bit,
Okay, And I have, like I've got other news too, there's
other news I can talk about. So I got some good stuff for you.
But the George Knap interview, I just want to express how important this
interview was for me. He really open end up in a way I've never
heard him open up before. And it was kind of funny because we were
at the Devil's Tower. I do you know a YouTube live thing on Thursdays
at six, And I've committed to my people that I know I'm busy,
I'm all over the place and for the last few months, race can definitely
gettest to this. I was not consistent for a long time with output for
Open Minds, and so I've committed that I'm going to do this thing.
So at six o'clock, you know, I put on We were still in
the middle of a panel, so I just showed that, and then from
there I had to run to do this interview with George, So I had
to go find a corner and they get this interview done. But he opened
up and shared stuff that I was really surprised he shared. So people have
to listen to that, and I know we got to go to break soon.
So but some of what he shared was like Senator Harry Reid just how
far back his relationship with Bigelow goo, which it goes very very far,
you know, approximately how long. I mean they were friends before anything.
Were they connected? I think they were. They were so Harry Reid represented
Bigelow as a lawyer um back in the day, and so that's how they
might and now here their their shared interest in the paranormal came up way back
when. So George has been keeping Harry Reid a prize or I'm sorry Bigelow,
Robert Bigelow has been keeping Harry read apprized of all of their paranormal research
for all of these years. In fact, Harry Reid sometimes had come to
the office to kind of hang out and be there during meetings and to talk
about all this. So this all, yeah, goes way back. But
what's interesting is Robert Bigelow did not ask Harry Reid for funding for their research.
Actually, what had happened as a DA agent had read George Knapp's book
about Skinwalker Ranch and so, and I should have said, George Napp is
an investigator journalist with tons of awards who works in Las Vegas. He is
the one who made Area fifty one famous really with his investigation, for which
he won an award for that too. Um, but I have to up
to break here, Okay, Yeah, so I finished after Yeah, sure,
and yeah, hold that thought right where we are? All right?
Everyone? This is Martin with Podcast UFO on kg R A Radio, and
my current guest is Alejandro Rojas. Will be right back. All right,
everyone, welcome back. You're with Martin Willis at podcast UFO. My guest
is Alhandra Rojas. He's been filling in for our other guests who just called
in, so he'll be joining us in just a second. So Alejandro,
before I call in, before I call in Joseph Burkes, can you please
finish where we were at? Yeah, finish where we were and then I
do want to get into another story. Just get people aheads tups so quick.
But yes, that this DA agent had read George Knapp's book on for
the Skinwalker and he contacted them. This was around two thousand and seven.
And actually what people may not know this is another thing George had had shared,
is that during this period of time, the early two thousands, the
paranormal phenomena had really subsided, so not what much was going on. In
fact, that's one of the reasons since there wasn't much going on that big
little or that George Knapp was allowed to print the book. So they wrote
the book. This guy read the book and he asked if he could come
check it out. Normally they say no, of course, but since he
was ADI agent, they did allow him. He immediately had his own paranormal
phenomena and he has not wanted to share his name or exactly what had happened,
but it was thing where he saw something clearly that shook him to the
core essentially, so he immediately went to Harry Reid, who he knew,
and said, hey, we really need to be investigating this, Uh,
what's going on there? And Harry Reid said, you know what, You're
right because he knew Harry Reid was aware of the whole investigation and what was
going on. So that's when Harry Reid had gone to his colleagues other senators
to say, hey, let's find this program, and that's when the funding
came. So it wasn't as at the behest of Robert Bigelow. In fact,
George Napp was very clear and adamant that this this idea that you know,
this was one hand shaking the other type of thing was ridiculous, that
there's there's total bs, he said, So he just it's something he wants
to make clear that this was independent how that happened. But this is just
one example of him being very, very open. So it was a yeah,
incredible interview. In fact, I need to transcribe it. I'm gonna
get it transcribed soon and I'm gonna put it on the internet and probably even
write a story because it's some really really good information. But before I go,
so you could get into your interview with your guests, now that they've
arrived, I just wanted to mention also that you know, the History Channel
has been doing this. They're preparing for this television show, Project Bluebook that's
gonna be about real UFO cases, and so in preparation they've had some journalists
writing about real cases that they're going to cover on this television show for the
History Channel. And they did write another one recently, which was called when
dozens of Korean War gis claimed a UFO made them sick. And we talked
about this the other day, so you're familiar with this two, right,
So this was a really interesting one that happened in May nineteen fifty one during
the Korean War, where this blinking object Paul Sating kind of moved towards them
and had an effect on these people, a long term effect, right.
So great story. So keep an eye on History Channel because they're really releasing
some really cool stuff. So other than that, the only other thing is
really Newsweek wrote about Blink one eighty two and their involvement with this Pentagon program
and essentially saying, if this is a real Pentagon program, what are you
doing coming and speaking at the MOOFUND Symposium to a bunch of UFO goofballs and
Alesando essentially saying they've been into this for a long time, they've been researching
it. That's why we're talking to them. They know what we're talking about.
So very interesting story there. You know, it's really, if you
think about it's really kind of a shame. I know that there are parts
of the UFO field that are a bit fringy, but still, it really
is kind of a shame that they've just put put them together as a whole
ball of wax. Yeah, and because there are some serious people, and
you know as well as I do, there's some highly intelligent people that are
not fringy that are trying to figure this out because there is, yeah,
definitely something to this, and there's a lot of people that that get that.
So yeah, it's kind of a it's kind of a shame that we're
viewed as all, you know, weirdos. I understand we're just a small
percentage of the people out there that have an interest in this topic. But
still, yeah, and just because we're weird, it's just because I'm aware
doesn't mean I'm not serious about the topic, That's right, exactly, all
right, thanks so much for filling and I really appreciate it. My pleasure.
All right, and I'll talk to you next week, all right,
talk to you later. I have a good show, all right, thank
you. All right. So our guest Joseph Burke's MD and he's a board
certified internal medicine position. He retired from the Southern California Permanente Group after thirty
years of service in two thousand and eight. During the nineteen sixties through the
nineteen eighties, he was a volunteer at volunteer peace and social justice activists,
working with Physicians for Social Responsibility, the United farm Workers Union, and pro
labor coalitions that were a part of the occupational Health and Safety movement. Joseph,
welcome to the show. Thank you very much. I'm getting up from
my sick bed, but I'm so happy to be here. Oh I'm sorry.
So you've been sick today, That's why I haven't heard from you.
Wow. Yeah, but I'm better. I took Thailand all and I looked
in the mirror and my doctor says, you're well enough to do the show.
And I appreciate coming on very much. I'll be late as homes You're
gonna have arguments with your doctor right when you're looking in the mirror and you
lose them. Yeah yeah, So for the well you look you look pretty
good for a sick person. But anyway, I'm glad you made it,
and then glad you called in. And it's funny when you called in,
I heard a voice and said, who the heck's at? And my son
figured it out. So, but anyway, can you tell the person that's
never heard you before a little bit about your background and what gets you interested
in the UFO topic? Sure? Well, Child of the Ice Age.
I was born in nineteen forty nine, and I grew up watching with great
excitement the developments and space exploration Splitnik in nineteen fifty seven, and then the
Americans racing to get to the Moon, which the United States, and of
course I was a fan of Star Trek, as so many of the audience
was. I remember seeing the first show sort of mid season. It was
called The Menagerie, and which has significance in terms of what I'll be talking
about a little later about the mechanisms of contact and how UFO intelligence is used
for those people who don't recall react. The Menagerie was the pilot which sold
the show and focused on the Star Trek team visiting a plan it which had
aliens with tremendous psychic ability that could create illusions, sort of a virtual reality.
And this theme was later picked up oh some in the Blockbuster Tricks.
But my interest was not really anything related to UFOs other than being curious about
science fiction. Following the Space Race, I was a peace and social justice
activist as you mentioned, and I tried to integrate my work as a medical
doctor. I'm internal medicine physician activities in terms and social justice movements. So
I was active with the farm Workers Union. I helped recruit medical staff for
their clinics in the sand Mwoauquean Valley when I was a medical student, so
later on as a young doctor, what was called the Occupational Health and Safety
movement. This was a movement to educate the public and around the medical hazards
of work in an attempt to make them at workplace a safer place. So
I didn't really think about UFOs really at all other than the nineteen seventy five
program focused on the Betty and Barney Hill experience, and then I also saw
close encounters of the third kind, like millions of others people. So in
nineteen ninety I embarked upon a project which involved building a studio for my wife
and our home in Los Angeles. Partner in the Permanente Medical Group Southern California
KAISER, a very large health or organization, and so I things weren't going
well with the project. The roof was off of our home. It was
rainy season. It was very wet for my wife and children who were huddled
in one part of the house that had a roof, but the rest of
the house was open to the air, and so I went to the local.
I was working also a lot of overtime remodel to build the studio for
my wife. And I said, oh, I am so frustrated. I'm
so I need something to distract me. What do you have? And I
thought, I don't know UFOs. So they gave me a book. The
Incredible Gulf Breeze Sighting was about Ed and Francis Walters, a couple in Florida
who were in the middle of a major wave of UFO sightings on the Gulf
Coast and not far from Pensacola, Florida. And I read the book.
I was fascinated. I read another and then another I got enough courage to
GOFO meetings. It was a U Expo West and here I met a tall,
bearded a doctor who was also working emergency room, as was I in
the time. And he said his name was doctor Stephen Greer, and he
stated that he had developed a technique of attracting UFOs to secure locations where using
consciousness techniques basically telepathy, thought projection, he claimed he was able to attract
UFOs to these research sites emposium. He also showed videos of that encounter that
he had in March of nineteen ninety two, were not one, not two,
but three staff with a power ring underneath interacted with the forty or so
people that doctor Greer had brought to out into the beach to interact with him.
So the videos had a very dramatic effect on his recruiting campaign. And
given the fact that he was an emergence room doctor and I was working ear
I thought this man is probably credible, and I flew across country in June
took one of his seminars and there on west On the Beach in West Palm
BEACHFO it was a blue green light that shot across coming in from the Atlantic,
there was a cloud cover. It was anomalous and that was totally silent.
I had no explanation, but doctor Greer said it was a UFO,
and I was very impressed. So I decided I would try to be a
working group coordinator. Although I hadn't really done very much in terms of consciousness
of work. Although I took a when I was in medical school which was
a very popular course that taught people rudimentary size skills, and I practiced the
techniques of the silver mind control, and to my delight, I found that
I could actually it actually helped me find parking spaces. I was driving around
Boston. I was in medical school, and I would go into a very
relaxed state as I was driving around, and I would see where the parking
space was in my mind's eye, and most of the time there. It
was certainly not an attempt to retract what we're called secure in research sites.
Doctor here came out to California. He did a workshop for people in the
San Fernando Valley where I worked as a Kaiser staff physician, and we started
as soon as we started going out into the field, we started having sightings
very close to a strategic military facility. The Department of Energy site in the
Santa Susanna Pass, which is at the border law Los Angeles and a ventur
and it separates. The Santa Susana Pass is a mountainous region of high desert
that separates separates the San Fernando Valley from Simi Valley. And what I found
was that while we were doing the field work, anomalous objects appeared. Now
there was a long history of sidings in this area which I was not aware
of at the time. The Santasis Santa Pass and where this Department of Energy
site was, and during the nineteen fifties, according to one of our Kaiser
patients who was a carpenter at the time, he was there working on this
defense facility, and he said that for three months back in the nineteen fifties,
this Department of Energy site was basically they hollowed out this mountain and for
three months dump trucks three miles long emptied the mountain. Carpenter went down to
the fifteen levels into the mountain where he was able to work constructing this facility.
But he said there was an equal number of levels to the mountain which
he didn't have seek four. So perhaps by chance or maybe a synchronicity,
we were guided to this place in the Santa Susana passed to do our CE
five close encounters of the fifth kind field work. It was a long tradition
of sightings at this facility. I was not aware of it when I first
started working there, but we saw golden globes, red orbs appeared to go
up and down behind the mountain where we were working in the pass. One
night we had some very unusual lights that the ridgeline in the Santa Susana Pass.
And for the next five years I led a team of contact activists I
call them or contact workers. These are people who are trained and rudimentary side
techniques, meditation, thought, projection, and we would go out into the
field and to our delight, UFOs would show up where there was limited signaling,
powerful lights back and forth between us and how we're the UFOs. So
this is this is the process that got me started. And I was doing
that work for five years and had many encounters with what are called now UAPs
or UFOs or flying saucers. So that's how I got started in the work.
I'd say one thing I have to tell you. I've I've been pretty
cruel talking about Greer over the years, and I've had a cruel or cruel
I've been cruel, and it's just because I think he's taken a lot of
it. He's taken advantage of people, and he's one of these people and
I think I think he's pretty fringy. And I understand you both are medical
doctors, and I understand the connection there, and it's just my opinion.
My opinion is that I understand he could make a lot of money, as
I believe he was a surgeon maybe perhaps, but I can't remember it was
a trauma surgeon. He was an r doctor who did medical procedures and surgical
procedures in the year now. I will say at the beginning, I thought
he did some wonderful work, but I think he went off the rails and
I don't believe in his work. I don't think he's I don't think he's
good for the UFO field. And if we could could we could spend the
rest of our show doing a detailed analysis of Stephen Greer, MD. Because
I got to see him one year after he was recruited by Naval Intelligence and
when I was working with him. The name Ron Pandolfi and Dan Smith were
household terms. So I could I could tell you the story how it came
down. It's never been shared publicly before, although in terms of a radio
show, although I have written about it on my Facebook page. All right,
sure, I'm open to hear. So he claims said he was a
naval intelligence He was, so he wasn't He didn't claim He told me that
in nineteen ninety one, after he had a number of sightings in full uniform,
a gentleman by the name of Commander will Miller came to his home and
offered to assist him in the CCT project. I got to meet Commander will
Miller in nineteen ninety five at the Career Home and then again in nineteen ninety
seven where I met Edgar Mitchell, who was also part of doctor Greer's One
of a better term entourage after behind All right, everyone, so that's it
for the free part of the show, and anyone can listen to the full
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or more a month. All that informations on podcast UFO dot com. I
do appreciate you listening and next week we're going to be back with Fraser Kane.
He has a great podcast called Astronomy Cast. He's also the publisher for
Universe Today. He is a UFO skeptic. We're going to be talking a
little bit about UFOs and more of the show, probably about astronomy. What's
going on, but anyway, it should be a great one. I want
to thank everyone that helps out with the show, and Alejandro, I want
to thank him because you filled in and did a nice job. I want
to thank our guest as well. I may not agree with everything he says,
but I do appreciate people that want to come on and share their views.
All Right, everyone, So that's it and we'll see you next week.
Remember to keep your eyes to the sky.