WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.719 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willis your host, and 2 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:36.640 at this point we are guests lists. I'm not sure what happened. Luckily, 3 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:40.000 Alejandro's in the wings. He's going to help out with the news and 4 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.600 wing it for a while and perhaps the guests will join us. You know, 5 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:48.560 every once in a while this happens where I say, look, the 6 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:54.439 show starts at six pm Eastern Standard time, and when it's overseas, I 7 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:59.039 make it easy to say New York time and Eastern time New York time, 8 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:03.159 and they understand. I really don't know where I guess Joseph Burkes lives. 9 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.480 How about that I should know that. But anyway, I did message him 10 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:14.640 to join in call us when he actually gets the message. He has not 11 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.439 been responding to email today. I don't know what happened. Hopefully he's okay 12 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.079 and all as well. But for now we'll move on with Alejandro and I 13 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:30.400 and thank you listeners for joining us, Thank you for people on KGr A 14 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.799 Radio, and thank you on YouTube for joining us every week at this time 15 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:40.480 at six to eight pm Eastern Standard time, same as New York time, 16 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:47.359 and I always appreciate you being here. I also appreciate everyone that helps support 17 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.239 the show very much. I couldn't do it without you. I couldn't do 18 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:55.640 the show without listeners of any kind. But the supporters really help pay those 19 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.400 bills that this show cost, and I truly appreciate that anyone can help about. 20 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.760 Doesn't matter where you're listening to this. All you have to do is 21 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:08.360 go to podcast ufo dot com and on the menu bar you can support us 22 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:14.319 for two dollars or more per month. And I guess that's enough babbling for 23 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.759 me. And I got my good buddy on Alejandro Rojas. How are you? 24 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.120 I am well, how are you good? Hey? You got your 25 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.560 you set up pretty fancy, now, very fancy. I know you get 26 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.879 this new HD camera crystal clear. This is of course for all the people 27 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:35.520 that are listening, and we're going to put you over on full screen so 28 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.400 they can show so we can show you a little gadget you have there. 29 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:46.039 That's pretty cool. But anyway, you've been doing all kinds of stuff. 30 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:52.439 We haven't talked since you were at Devil's Tower and all that so ditched me 31 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:59.400 last week. I'm sorry. Well it was on location, and I'll tell 32 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.280 you it was. It was a seat of the pants type of thing because 33 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:07.439 I was delayed at the border of Canada and luckily I got an internet didn't 34 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:13.360 work. It was one of those cases where just the last two minutes before 35 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.280 the show. I think it's really funny if someone could actually see behind the 36 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:23.199 scenes. For instance, I was looking at places today and just rolled in, 37 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.639 you know, so sometimes we do that. When it's a live show, 38 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.759 you're kind of bound to you know, you can't help it. When 39 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.439 there's like traffic or something like that. You just got to do what you 40 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.919 can do. And maybe that's why I'm Joseph. Yeah, Yeah, it's 41 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.520 funny you say that, Yeah, because often you know, I'm running around. 42 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.879 I mean, people can tell because after when I'm joining this show, 43 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.639 I'm like, you know, not as prepared or or I've got to drag 44 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.439 the screen up really quick and get the camera ready. But yeah, luckily 45 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:02.360 I had enough time to get my fools awesome set up here and to be 46 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:09.039 ready for the show. So that's just what happens. And you can see 47 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:13.360 my mug. Look at how good that looks. Small Internationally UFO Congress smug 48 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.560 that you could get at the UFO Congress dot Com store. Go there and 49 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.040 buy that. That's pretty niche. Shameless, shameless plug. But yeah, 50 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.879 you wanted me to show up. This is actually one of the if someone 51 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.480 you know, saw one of my live streams, I showed this too and 52 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.920 decided to get this out. Essentially one of you have to explain it to 53 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:39.160 the people that are not watching. Yeah, it is only it's a little 54 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:44.639 ball. It's actually uh, similar to the flux capacitor um. I thought 55 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.759 that's what it was. Yeah, time space. It's actually an updated version 56 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:53.600 from what you saw in the eighties television or movie. Uh, and that's 57 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.560 why it's a ball with the you know these this energy that that comes out 58 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.519 of it, and it's a it's a it's tons of energy, so you 59 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:08.519 shouldn't touch it. You can see what happens, so that hurts. Yeah, 60 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.600 So I was working on that and the engine up here on the spacecraft. 61 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.720 I know there's some people that are probably gonna say, no, you 62 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.920 got that expensers, but no, that's a part of our spaceship up here. 63 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:25.399 Well I'm yeah, I've got lets. Sorry, sorry, go ahead. 64 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.519 I was just gonna say, I have to get myself a lava lamp 65 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.439 or something. I still would be really cool. We have giant ones at 66 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.040 the International UFO Congress are Danny Um. You know, this crazy kid that 67 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.680 helps us out brings these giant ones that he pushed back stage. You've seen 68 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.600 that, Um, which is a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, 69 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.759 I know. It just gives it gives the light you need to work back 70 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.079 there because I helped you out last year. Working exactly back gives the job 71 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.639 to find the keyboard and all that stuff. Um, and then it's it 72 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:00.600 just gives a great eerie atmosphere. Reminds me of my youth. That reminds 73 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:06.480 me were you running? Do you remember were you running the you know, 74 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:14.439 the switcher during Robbie Graham's talk. I believe so did I I think you 75 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.959 might have been the Only reason I ask is because people can see some of 76 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:25.399 your handywork because we uploaded Robbie Graham's video to our Video on Demand and so 77 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.360 those of you who are subscribers to that will be able to watch that video. 78 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.399 We just uploaded it yesterday, and that is Martin Tandy work. So 79 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:40.879 the guy who's switching from you know, camera to camera essentially backstage, that 80 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:46.360 is you, Martin. Is that the man behind the curtain on that one. 81 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.360 Well, I was hoping it wasn't like a trick question. Were you 82 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:54.040 the one that did that show? And Joe and Robbie Graham? We shouldn't 83 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.759 tell people. And I don't know if you get this, but it is 84 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.279 a good point. Whenever I'm writing or doing the podcast, I always try 85 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:08.399 to talk as though the listener knows nothing about this field. And recently someone 86 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.519 said, hey, sometimes you mentioned names and stuff, but you don't tell 87 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.800 us who these people are. And I think it's always wise to describe those 88 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:19.240 things. So for people who don't know who Robbie Graham is, he is. 89 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.600 He wrote a book called Silver Screen Saucers. He's from the UK, 90 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:30.240 a researcher silver Screen Saucers. It's essentially UFOs and intelligence agencies and when it 91 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:35.079 comes to movies and stuff. So a very well researched book. But he's 92 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:40.480 got some really interesting insights. Do you remember any of the points he made 93 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.920 that that resonated weakly? Because you know, when you're behind the scenes, 94 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.439 it's it's really hard to you know, pay attention to what's going on. 95 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.279 Yeah, so you could check that out, but otherwise, you know, 96 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:56.240 I was just honestly, when you were talking and you introduced me. People 97 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.279 might have noticed I wasn't paying attention to the camera. I was doing something 98 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:05.240 on the computer. But this is why this is really cool. So you 99 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.600 had on Jeremy Corbell fairly recently, right, Yes, I had Jeremy Corbel 100 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.800 Corbell, hang on just one second. We have a we may have an 101 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.959 issue here and I just stepped us up. No, I don't see anything 102 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:26.199 wrong. We have some type of audio issue. Uh good on our end. 103 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.360 So it's something to do. It's got to be something to do with 104 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:35.000 YouTube. You know, often the video turns out okay. Yeah. Ray 105 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.360 says it sounds perfect, which is great. It could be. Yeah, 106 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.519 it's so everyone says you're you're great. Um. But anyway, so let's 107 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.600 just move on. And you were talking about Robbie Graham. No, actually 108 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.120 I was talking about Jeremy Corbell because that's why you switched to that. That's 109 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.440 right. Both of us have had him on our show recently because of his 110 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.360 new documentary Hunt for the skin Walker, which if you haven't seen it, 111 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.360 you really got to see it because it's it's very important. Sure, some 112 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.480 people are saying, well, I read the books, so I already know 113 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.320 all that stuff, But there are some pieces of information that you will not 114 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.679 know, including that you know the government was involved. Well you probably know 115 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.480 from listening to Jeremy and us, but this is really cool. So Jeremy 116 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:24.960 just tweeted just a couple of minutes ago that the AP News release their list 117 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:30.679 today of top ten films on iTunes, and sure enough, right here under 118 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:39.000 the top ten movies US charts for independent movies, Skinwalker is number ten. 119 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:46.519 Which I think it's really important because really that was the most credible paranormal investigation 120 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.720 probably to ever to have taken place a large scale. Turns out it was 121 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.200 funded by the government, and so I think that it's important that people get 122 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.360 this information to know first of all, where their tax dollars went, but 123 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:07.960 also about this just odd case and I would like to get your thoughts on 124 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.360 it. But one of the feedback, some of the feedback people have shared 125 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.279 his app that there was no pictures or videos, and that actually was kind 126 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.320 of the point. So if you've heard some of the interviews that Martin and 127 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.879 I have done with these guys over the years, is that they felt they 128 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.399 were outsmarted. That even these these scientists who felt that they would be able 129 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.399 to come in figure it out. They weren't able to figure anything out that 130 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:41.759 they came in, experienced a lot of really weird paranormal stuff personally, and 131 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:48.399 then were not able to capture anything on video or anything. They kind of 132 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:56.039 felt like the phenomena outsmarted them. John Alexander called it a precognitive sentient intelligence 133 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.720 behind it, meaning that he felt it was able to figure out, you 134 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.120 know, what they were doing before they were able to figure it out. 135 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:07.799 So really weird stuff that is strange, that is strange. Well, let's 136 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.080 let's talk about the Devil's Tower. Okay, So the Devil's Tower. So 137 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.080 that does remind me of a comment I was going to make, which was 138 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.399 you said that you know, you hate to have to ask Race to make 139 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:24.200 a comment when the show's live. I think that's one big advantage you have 140 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.600 is at Races on the other side, because Race has this amazing, one 141 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.879 of the most amazing radio voices ever in the world. So I love to 142 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.480 hear his voice, but so pipe in whenever you want. Race. Because 143 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.039 Race was at the Devil's Tower UFO event and so the KGr A crew was 144 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.639 there to help support it. Very small crowd it's a very small town. 145 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.879 Why Oming's very small. I mean the largest town is Cheyenne, which is 146 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:58.519 very small at least for a big city kid like me. But it's absolutely 147 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.480 gorgeous out there. And if you haven't been to the Devil's Tower, I 148 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:07.720 think race can attest to this. It's absolutely gorgeous, amazing natural structure, 149 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.799 and you look at it and it is a bit mind boggling. It certainly 150 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.600 to me, does not look like, especially close a tree stump, but 151 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.879 it looks like what it is, the remnants of this large volcano. It's 152 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:28.200 gorgeous. It's definitely something that every American and anyone around the world for that 153 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.960 matter, would want to lay eyes on, your natural eyes on it. 154 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.919 It's touted as America's first monument, and that, indeed, I can say 155 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.919 is a good title because the journey we took a ten hour ride, you 156 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:52.840 know, across the Wyoming which that in itself has about ten different descriptive landscapes 157 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.279 between Utah and then the north east side of Wyoming, of course, then 158 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.480 you go to the west side, the northwest side, and then there's Yellowstone 159 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.919 and God, everybody knows that's been there knows how beautiful that place is. 160 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.840 But Hewlett, Wyoming was a quaint like it was like stepping back in time. 161 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.919 It was the businesses downtown sort of embraced the old wild West the theme 162 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.519 and all the stores and the shops and the antique malls and all that are 163 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:30.480 all done and like, um, you know, eighteen hundreds of western kind 164 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:35.440 of a style, and and then the wildlife, the people, the wildlife, 165 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.840 the environment, the landscape. It was just all perfect. And row 166 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.759 House. It was a small event, but everybody there was truly enchanting, 167 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.240 and we had a lot of fun because it was you know, I got 168 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.600 a chance, especially at our conference. I don't have a chance, like 169 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.039 like you said, you know, we're busy and we don't get a chance 170 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.840 to see all the lectures or you hear everybody what everybody's saying. But it's 171 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.120 so small that you know, all of us speakers also got to attend each 172 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.799 other's lectures and and you know, you were able to all interact and talk. 173 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.639 So it's awesome and it just you know, heightens my appreciation for all 174 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.559 of the speakers that were there too. So you know, David Marler's amazing, 175 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.200 you know, and he makes such a great argument as to in this 176 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.279 case. You know, first a triangular UFOs. He's been doing that for 177 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.879 a while and he's amazed. That's a great talk. But then he also 178 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.720 did this nineteen forty two to show that, you know, in La there 179 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.240 was a overflight something threw over flew over La nineteen forty two. They thought 180 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:48.720 it was a Japanese bomber or an enemy aircraft of some sort. They shot 181 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.399 just tons of artillery into the air to get this thing, and they never 182 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.279 got it, they said, Attilly of course rained down on the city of 183 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.600 Los Angeles. So you can imagine what a huge story that was. People 184 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.159 died, interesting enough, not from shrapnel, but from heart attacks and things 185 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.279 like this. That's right. So it's amazing that nobody got hurt from the 186 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.279 actual shrapn shrapnel, but people died. But he lays out this case. 187 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.120 You've got to see the selecture if you haven't, and he did do it 188 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.279 at the UFO Congress slash here the year before last. He lays out the 189 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.279 this case that this was a significant sighting. This just wasn't visual. There 190 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.000 was radar data. There was a lot of data recorded on this case. 191 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.279 So it is actually a wonderful case, so of course that was great. 192 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.960 Mica Hanks was there, he was part of that wildlife I think that Chase 193 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:43.399 was or that Race was just talking about. And then he of course it's 194 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.720 a great speaker and a great mind in this field. And then Lee Spiegel, 195 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:54.600 Mark D'Antonio, Richard beckwith who's the move fun director out there, Chryst 196 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:00.399 O'Brien, who's got this exciting project that he's getting out there. Crystal Brian 197 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.799 is does research in Colorado and he's created these A lot of different groups have 198 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:11.320 talked about creating these camera systems where they can grab different data to be able 199 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:17.200 to kind of triangulate in to UFOs if there's a UFO event. Well, 200 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.519 Chris is the first to actually implement a program like this. These other programs 201 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.759 are still in development after years later, so this is really exciting that Chris 202 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.320 is getting this going. And then Karen did her first talk and it was 203 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:34.200 great. So she focused on a group abduction cases. So for example, 204 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.879 even those of us who are skeptics in this field, you know, have 205 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.120 different cases that are really weird that are very credible. So for instance, 206 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.759 I feel Travis Walton's case is very credible after all of these years. Who 207 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.240 was a logger who went into the forest with a bunch of his buddies or 208 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:59.320 they weren't buddies actually their colleagues to investigate a UFO and then he disappeared for 209 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:04.359 five days, but a very credible case that he remembers seeing these entities. 210 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:08.640 So there's an Ala gash main case that we have discreet video at the Open 211 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:14.079 Mind on YouTube where you can hear from these guys. Another very credible case. 212 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:19.440 So she covered other credible, apparent what appears to be mass abduction cases, 213 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.079 So there are other credible ones out there in the books and stuff, 214 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.559 and she's done research over the years to figure these out. So it was 215 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:33.119 a really cool event, and of course it feels magical out there, not 216 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.000 just because the tower is so cool, but also because of Close Encounters the 217 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.680 movie. So a lot of younger people, surprisingly to me, i've been 218 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.400 finding out lately, have not seen Close Encounters. So if you haven't, 219 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.119 you got to see it, especially if you're into UFOs. But that movie, 220 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.799 to me is really probably the single most influential thing that has gotten me 221 00:17:53.079 --> 00:18:00.880 compelled me to remain in this field and to share stories and seek out information 222 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.519 that I could share with public on all of this, and so it just 223 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:10.119 feels kind of magical being there in that area. And I videotaped interviews with 224 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.519 some of the researchers in front of the tower so you could see the tower 225 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.720 behind them with this very camera I'm using right now. So it turned out 226 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.039 really cool and they're talking about the impact of close encounters on them. Again. 227 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.039 You could see that on the open mind YouTube page for free also, 228 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:30.039 So that was a really fun event. It was really cool. Well, 229 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:34.400 so Karen do the slide show or yes, you know PowerPoint. She did 230 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:41.240 a slide show, although since she's not here, I can say this it 231 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.680 was not the most exciting slide show because she took slides from these really old 232 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.200 books. So the information was good. That's one thing. I think she 233 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.119 could do some more exciting pictures and stuff, but the information, it's a 234 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.720 lot of fun. And what's cool with these old books, at least with 235 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.799 some of these cases, it's there are images that you haven't seen before in 236 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.599 their original images from the witnesses when the incidents occurred, which of course is 237 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.000 important because with some of these cases, like with Travises or like with Yala, 238 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:12.160 gash. Those are images that we've seen that were created years after that 239 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:17.839 are kind of more more impressive and more fun to look at, more colorful, 240 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.599 but it's always good to look at both so you can see, you 241 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:27.160 know, how the original impressions differ from the current impressions. And yeah, 242 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.160 so it was a lot of fun, really interesting. You did a great 243 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:36.279 interview with George Knap, you know, one of my favorite people that's involved 244 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:42.240 in looking at the subject and so that's on Open Minds and so I talked 245 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.920 about that a little bit. Why don't you talk about that a little bit, 246 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.319 Okay, And I have, like I've got other news too, there's 247 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.720 other news I can talk about. So I got some good stuff for you. 248 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.599 But the George Knap interview, I just want to express how important this 249 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.559 interview was for me. He really open end up in a way I've never 250 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.480 heard him open up before. And it was kind of funny because we were 251 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:10.400 at the Devil's Tower. I do you know a YouTube live thing on Thursdays 252 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.799 at six, And I've committed to my people that I know I'm busy, 253 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.000 I'm all over the place and for the last few months, race can definitely 254 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:23.160 gettest to this. I was not consistent for a long time with output for 255 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.200 Open Minds, and so I've committed that I'm going to do this thing. 256 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.880 So at six o'clock, you know, I put on We were still in 257 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.200 the middle of a panel, so I just showed that, and then from 258 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:38.079 there I had to run to do this interview with George, So I had 259 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:41.880 to go find a corner and they get this interview done. But he opened 260 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:48.160 up and shared stuff that I was really surprised he shared. So people have 261 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:49.599 to listen to that, and I know we got to go to break soon. 262 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:56.200 So but some of what he shared was like Senator Harry Reid just how 263 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.559 far back his relationship with Bigelow goo, which it goes very very far, 264 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:06.440 you know, approximately how long. I mean they were friends before anything. 265 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:12.200 Were they connected? I think they were. They were so Harry Reid represented 266 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:18.640 Bigelow as a lawyer um back in the day, and so that's how they 267 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:26.200 might and now here their their shared interest in the paranormal came up way back 268 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:32.519 when. So George has been keeping Harry Reid a prize or I'm sorry Bigelow, 269 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.839 Robert Bigelow has been keeping Harry read apprized of all of their paranormal research 270 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.759 for all of these years. In fact, Harry Reid sometimes had come to 271 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.960 the office to kind of hang out and be there during meetings and to talk 272 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.480 about all this. So this all, yeah, goes way back. But 273 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:55.640 what's interesting is Robert Bigelow did not ask Harry Reid for funding for their research. 274 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:03.480 Actually, what had happened as a DA agent had read George Knapp's book 275 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.880 about Skinwalker Ranch and so, and I should have said, George Napp is 276 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:14.119 an investigator journalist with tons of awards who works in Las Vegas. He is 277 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.599 the one who made Area fifty one famous really with his investigation, for which 278 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.119 he won an award for that too. Um, but I have to up 279 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.599 to break here, Okay, Yeah, so I finished after Yeah, sure, 280 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.319 and yeah, hold that thought right where we are? All right? 281 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:36.240 Everyone? This is Martin with Podcast UFO on kg R A Radio, and 282 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:41.119 my current guest is Alejandro Rojas. Will be right back. All right, 283 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.359 everyone, welcome back. You're with Martin Willis at podcast UFO. My guest 284 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:52.400 is Alhandra Rojas. He's been filling in for our other guests who just called 285 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.680 in, so he'll be joining us in just a second. So Alejandro, 286 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:00.359 before I call in, before I call in Joseph Burkes, can you please 287 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.599 finish where we were at? Yeah, finish where we were and then I 288 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.160 do want to get into another story. Just get people aheads tups so quick. 289 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:15.839 But yes, that this DA agent had read George Knapp's book on for 290 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.799 the Skinwalker and he contacted them. This was around two thousand and seven. 291 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:25.279 And actually what people may not know this is another thing George had had shared, 292 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:29.440 is that during this period of time, the early two thousands, the 293 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.519 paranormal phenomena had really subsided, so not what much was going on. In 294 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.519 fact, that's one of the reasons since there wasn't much going on that big 295 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.279 little or that George Knapp was allowed to print the book. So they wrote 296 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.559 the book. This guy read the book and he asked if he could come 297 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.519 check it out. Normally they say no, of course, but since he 298 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:53.319 was ADI agent, they did allow him. He immediately had his own paranormal 299 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:59.200 phenomena and he has not wanted to share his name or exactly what had happened, 300 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.640 but it was thing where he saw something clearly that shook him to the 301 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.160 core essentially, so he immediately went to Harry Reid, who he knew, 302 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.799 and said, hey, we really need to be investigating this, Uh, 303 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.599 what's going on there? And Harry Reid said, you know what, You're 304 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.960 right because he knew Harry Reid was aware of the whole investigation and what was 305 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:25.559 going on. So that's when Harry Reid had gone to his colleagues other senators 306 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.160 to say, hey, let's find this program, and that's when the funding 307 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.920 came. So it wasn't as at the behest of Robert Bigelow. In fact, 308 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:40.000 George Napp was very clear and adamant that this this idea that you know, 309 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:44.680 this was one hand shaking the other type of thing was ridiculous, that 310 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.160 there's there's total bs, he said, So he just it's something he wants 311 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.079 to make clear that this was independent how that happened. But this is just 312 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.920 one example of him being very, very open. So it was a yeah, 313 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.279 incredible interview. In fact, I need to transcribe it. I'm gonna 314 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.680 get it transcribed soon and I'm gonna put it on the internet and probably even 315 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:08.240 write a story because it's some really really good information. But before I go, 316 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.720 so you could get into your interview with your guests, now that they've 317 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.640 arrived, I just wanted to mention also that you know, the History Channel 318 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:22.000 has been doing this. They're preparing for this television show, Project Bluebook that's 319 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.799 gonna be about real UFO cases, and so in preparation they've had some journalists 320 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.680 writing about real cases that they're going to cover on this television show for the 321 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.480 History Channel. And they did write another one recently, which was called when 322 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:44.319 dozens of Korean War gis claimed a UFO made them sick. And we talked 323 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.039 about this the other day, so you're familiar with this two, right, 324 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.559 So this was a really interesting one that happened in May nineteen fifty one during 325 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.839 the Korean War, where this blinking object Paul Sating kind of moved towards them 326 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.400 and had an effect on these people, a long term effect, right. 327 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.440 So great story. So keep an eye on History Channel because they're really releasing 328 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.519 some really cool stuff. So other than that, the only other thing is 329 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:19.839 really Newsweek wrote about Blink one eighty two and their involvement with this Pentagon program 330 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.880 and essentially saying, if this is a real Pentagon program, what are you 331 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:29.519 doing coming and speaking at the MOOFUND Symposium to a bunch of UFO goofballs and 332 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.440 Alesando essentially saying they've been into this for a long time, they've been researching 333 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.839 it. That's why we're talking to them. They know what we're talking about. 334 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.920 So very interesting story there. You know, it's really, if you 335 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.720 think about it's really kind of a shame. I know that there are parts 336 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.880 of the UFO field that are a bit fringy, but still, it really 337 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.400 is kind of a shame that they've just put put them together as a whole 338 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.759 ball of wax. Yeah, and because there are some serious people, and 339 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.359 you know as well as I do, there's some highly intelligent people that are 340 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.640 not fringy that are trying to figure this out because there is, yeah, 341 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.759 definitely something to this, and there's a lot of people that that get that. 342 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.160 So yeah, it's kind of a it's kind of a shame that we're 343 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.960 viewed as all, you know, weirdos. I understand we're just a small 344 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.640 percentage of the people out there that have an interest in this topic. But 345 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:27.799 still, yeah, and just because we're weird, it's just because I'm aware 346 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.960 doesn't mean I'm not serious about the topic, That's right, exactly, all 347 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:38.039 right, thanks so much for filling and I really appreciate it. My pleasure. 348 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.880 All right, and I'll talk to you next week, all right, 349 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.160 talk to you later. I have a good show, all right, thank 350 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.039 you. All right. So our guest Joseph Burke's MD and he's a board 351 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:55.440 certified internal medicine position. He retired from the Southern California Permanente Group after thirty 352 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.160 years of service in two thousand and eight. During the nineteen sixties through the 353 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.920 nineteen eighties, he was a volunteer at volunteer peace and social justice activists, 354 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:11.119 working with Physicians for Social Responsibility, the United farm Workers Union, and pro 355 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:17.319 labor coalitions that were a part of the occupational Health and Safety movement. Joseph, 356 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.839 welcome to the show. Thank you very much. I'm getting up from 357 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.240 my sick bed, but I'm so happy to be here. Oh I'm sorry. 358 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.599 So you've been sick today, That's why I haven't heard from you. 359 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:33.519 Wow. Yeah, but I'm better. I took Thailand all and I looked 360 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:34.839 in the mirror and my doctor says, you're well enough to do the show. 361 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.400 And I appreciate coming on very much. I'll be late as homes You're 362 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:44.720 gonna have arguments with your doctor right when you're looking in the mirror and you 363 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:49.640 lose them. Yeah yeah, So for the well you look you look pretty 364 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.880 good for a sick person. But anyway, I'm glad you made it, 365 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.960 and then glad you called in. And it's funny when you called in, 366 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.400 I heard a voice and said, who the heck's at? And my son 367 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.640 figured it out. So, but anyway, can you tell the person that's 368 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:10.240 never heard you before a little bit about your background and what gets you interested 369 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:15.400 in the UFO topic? Sure? Well, Child of the Ice Age. 370 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.960 I was born in nineteen forty nine, and I grew up watching with great 371 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.720 excitement the developments and space exploration Splitnik in nineteen fifty seven, and then the 372 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:30.240 Americans racing to get to the Moon, which the United States, and of 373 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.640 course I was a fan of Star Trek, as so many of the audience 374 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.880 was. I remember seeing the first show sort of mid season. It was 375 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.240 called The Menagerie, and which has significance in terms of what I'll be talking 376 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:48.119 about a little later about the mechanisms of contact and how UFO intelligence is used 377 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.559 for those people who don't recall react. The Menagerie was the pilot which sold 378 00:29:53.559 --> 00:30:00.119 the show and focused on the Star Trek team visiting a plan it which had 379 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.599 aliens with tremendous psychic ability that could create illusions, sort of a virtual reality. 380 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.519 And this theme was later picked up oh some in the Blockbuster Tricks. 381 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.559 But my interest was not really anything related to UFOs other than being curious about 382 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.000 science fiction. Following the Space Race, I was a peace and social justice 383 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.039 activist as you mentioned, and I tried to integrate my work as a medical 384 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:33.720 doctor. I'm internal medicine physician activities in terms and social justice movements. So 385 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.039 I was active with the farm Workers Union. I helped recruit medical staff for 386 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.720 their clinics in the sand Mwoauquean Valley when I was a medical student, so 387 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.839 later on as a young doctor, what was called the Occupational Health and Safety 388 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:52.799 movement. This was a movement to educate the public and around the medical hazards 389 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.640 of work in an attempt to make them at workplace a safer place. So 390 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:04.079 I didn't really think about UFOs really at all other than the nineteen seventy five 391 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:10.799 program focused on the Betty and Barney Hill experience, and then I also saw 392 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.319 close encounters of the third kind, like millions of others people. So in 393 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:22.079 nineteen ninety I embarked upon a project which involved building a studio for my wife 394 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.519 and our home in Los Angeles. Partner in the Permanente Medical Group Southern California 395 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:33.839 KAISER, a very large health or organization, and so I things weren't going 396 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.720 well with the project. The roof was off of our home. It was 397 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.279 rainy season. It was very wet for my wife and children who were huddled 398 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.240 in one part of the house that had a roof, but the rest of 399 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.160 the house was open to the air, and so I went to the local. 400 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.359 I was working also a lot of overtime remodel to build the studio for 401 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.799 my wife. And I said, oh, I am so frustrated. I'm 402 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.519 so I need something to distract me. What do you have? And I 403 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.359 thought, I don't know UFOs. So they gave me a book. The 404 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:10.839 Incredible Gulf Breeze Sighting was about Ed and Francis Walters, a couple in Florida 405 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.960 who were in the middle of a major wave of UFO sightings on the Gulf 406 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:21.720 Coast and not far from Pensacola, Florida. And I read the book. 407 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.960 I was fascinated. I read another and then another I got enough courage to 408 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:31.519 GOFO meetings. It was a U Expo West and here I met a tall, 409 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:36.839 bearded a doctor who was also working emergency room, as was I in 410 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.079 the time. And he said his name was doctor Stephen Greer, and he 411 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:46.160 stated that he had developed a technique of attracting UFOs to secure locations where using 412 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:52.079 consciousness techniques basically telepathy, thought projection, he claimed he was able to attract 413 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.599 UFOs to these research sites emposium. He also showed videos of that encounter that 414 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.519 he had in March of nineteen ninety two, were not one, not two, 415 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.799 but three staff with a power ring underneath interacted with the forty or so 416 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:12.039 people that doctor Greer had brought to out into the beach to interact with him. 417 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:16.480 So the videos had a very dramatic effect on his recruiting campaign. And 418 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.960 given the fact that he was an emergence room doctor and I was working ear 419 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.920 I thought this man is probably credible, and I flew across country in June 420 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:32.400 took one of his seminars and there on west On the Beach in West Palm 421 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:38.960 BEACHFO it was a blue green light that shot across coming in from the Atlantic, 422 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:45.480 there was a cloud cover. It was anomalous and that was totally silent. 423 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.200 I had no explanation, but doctor Greer said it was a UFO, 424 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.319 and I was very impressed. So I decided I would try to be a 425 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.200 working group coordinator. Although I hadn't really done very much in terms of consciousness 426 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:06.279 of work. Although I took a when I was in medical school which was 427 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.960 a very popular course that taught people rudimentary size skills, and I practiced the 428 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.960 techniques of the silver mind control, and to my delight, I found that 429 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.440 I could actually it actually helped me find parking spaces. I was driving around 430 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.800 Boston. I was in medical school, and I would go into a very 431 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.760 relaxed state as I was driving around, and I would see where the parking 432 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.199 space was in my mind's eye, and most of the time there. It 433 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.159 was certainly not an attempt to retract what we're called secure in research sites. 434 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.639 Doctor here came out to California. He did a workshop for people in the 435 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.320 San Fernando Valley where I worked as a Kaiser staff physician, and we started 436 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.840 as soon as we started going out into the field, we started having sightings 437 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.360 very close to a strategic military facility. The Department of Energy site in the 438 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:04.400 Santa Susanna Pass, which is at the border law Los Angeles and a ventur 439 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.199 and it separates. The Santa Susana Pass is a mountainous region of high desert 440 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:15.880 that separates separates the San Fernando Valley from Simi Valley. And what I found 441 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:24.159 was that while we were doing the field work, anomalous objects appeared. Now 442 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.960 there was a long history of sidings in this area which I was not aware 443 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.840 of at the time. The Santasis Santa Pass and where this Department of Energy 444 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.840 site was, and during the nineteen fifties, according to one of our Kaiser 445 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:45.639 patients who was a carpenter at the time, he was there working on this 446 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.079 defense facility, and he said that for three months back in the nineteen fifties, 447 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:57.519 this Department of Energy site was basically they hollowed out this mountain and for 448 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:04.559 three months dump trucks three miles long emptied the mountain. Carpenter went down to 449 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.559 the fifteen levels into the mountain where he was able to work constructing this facility. 450 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:14.480 But he said there was an equal number of levels to the mountain which 451 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.639 he didn't have seek four. So perhaps by chance or maybe a synchronicity, 452 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.559 we were guided to this place in the Santa Susana passed to do our CE 453 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:28.880 five close encounters of the fifth kind field work. It was a long tradition 454 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.039 of sightings at this facility. I was not aware of it when I first 455 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:38.519 started working there, but we saw golden globes, red orbs appeared to go 456 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.960 up and down behind the mountain where we were working in the pass. One 457 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:51.159 night we had some very unusual lights that the ridgeline in the Santa Susana Pass. 458 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.199 And for the next five years I led a team of contact activists I 459 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:01.559 call them or contact workers. These are people who are trained and rudimentary side 460 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.199 techniques, meditation, thought, projection, and we would go out into the 461 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:12.159 field and to our delight, UFOs would show up where there was limited signaling, 462 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.920 powerful lights back and forth between us and how we're the UFOs. So 463 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:24.199 this is this is the process that got me started. And I was doing 464 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:31.920 that work for five years and had many encounters with what are called now UAPs 465 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.960 or UFOs or flying saucers. So that's how I got started in the work. 466 00:37:37.599 --> 00:38:14.599 I'd say one thing I have to tell you. I've I've been pretty 467 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:22.480 cruel talking about Greer over the years, and I've had a cruel or cruel 468 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.920 I've been cruel, and it's just because I think he's taken a lot of 469 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.039 it. He's taken advantage of people, and he's one of these people and 470 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.320 I think I think he's pretty fringy. And I understand you both are medical 471 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.800 doctors, and I understand the connection there, and it's just my opinion. 472 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.519 My opinion is that I understand he could make a lot of money, as 473 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.719 I believe he was a surgeon maybe perhaps, but I can't remember it was 474 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.480 a trauma surgeon. He was an r doctor who did medical procedures and surgical 475 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:59.320 procedures in the year now. I will say at the beginning, I thought 476 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:05.239 he did some wonderful work, but I think he went off the rails and 477 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:10.559 I don't believe in his work. I don't think he's I don't think he's 478 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.159 good for the UFO field. And if we could could we could spend the 479 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:21.559 rest of our show doing a detailed analysis of Stephen Greer, MD. Because 480 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:29.800 I got to see him one year after he was recruited by Naval Intelligence and 481 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:37.079 when I was working with him. The name Ron Pandolfi and Dan Smith were 482 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:44.159 household terms. So I could I could tell you the story how it came 483 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:50.239 down. It's never been shared publicly before, although in terms of a radio 484 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.719 show, although I have written about it on my Facebook page. All right, 485 00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.440 sure, I'm open to hear. So he claims said he was a 486 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.639 naval intelligence He was, so he wasn't He didn't claim He told me that 487 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:12.440 in nineteen ninety one, after he had a number of sightings in full uniform, 488 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.559 a gentleman by the name of Commander will Miller came to his home and 489 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.199 offered to assist him in the CCT project. I got to meet Commander will 490 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:27.599 Miller in nineteen ninety five at the Career Home and then again in nineteen ninety 491 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.760 seven where I met Edgar Mitchell, who was also part of doctor Greer's One 492 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:38.159 of a better term entourage after behind All right, everyone, so that's it 493 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.920 for the free part of the show, and anyone can listen to the full 494 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.559 two hour show. All you have to do is support us for two dollars 495 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.639 or more a month. All that informations on podcast UFO dot com. I 496 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.840 do appreciate you listening and next week we're going to be back with Fraser Kane. 497 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.960 He has a great podcast called Astronomy Cast. He's also the publisher for 498 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.159 Universe Today. He is a UFO skeptic. We're going to be talking a 499 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:13.360 little bit about UFOs and more of the show, probably about astronomy. What's 500 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.519 going on, but anyway, it should be a great one. I want 501 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.800 to thank everyone that helps out with the show, and Alejandro, I want 502 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.039 to thank him because you filled in and did a nice job. I want 503 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.000 to thank our guest as well. I may not agree with everything he says, 504 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.119 but I do appreciate people that want to come on and share their views. 505 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.599 All Right, everyone, So that's it and we'll see you next week. 506 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:55.559 Remember to keep your eyes to the sky.