WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:17.879 You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello, and welcome to 2 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.399 another edition of Video Games to the Max. I am your host, Sean 3 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:26.559 Garmer. Here with me today is Steve Esposito, a senior editor of Season 4 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.480 Gaming. How are you doing, man, I'm doing well. Thank you 5 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:34.000 for having me, man, it's I'm very grateful for you to be on 6 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:38.840 here. And I mean we both just had a holiday here Father's Day. 7 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.200 How did it go? It went very well. We got I had some 8 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:47.479 good food. My kid got me a Lego set Star Wars Lego set, 9 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:53.719 so I can't really ask for anything more. So yeah, mine was pretty 10 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:57.960 great, pretty chill. Because Sunday's is my off day for the weekend, 11 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.560 so I was like I would have exhausted from on Saturdays, I work at 12 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.799 seven in the morning, so I'm like going to bed at like one am, 13 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.760 getting up at six something. It was my last day in the office. 14 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:15.879 We started work from home today and permanent thankfully. So now if I 15 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.879 want to move around, go somewhere outside of my ami, because it's super 16 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.920 expensive to live here. You would know that being in New York too, 17 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:27.000 but um, yeah, it's it's crazy and and so it was nice to 18 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.560 just be able to chill. She loves horror movies and I'd never seen The 19 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:36.480 Shining or Doctor Sleep, so we watched those and she gave me a Star 20 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:40.239 Wars thing too, like a cool she made it herself. She's very creative 21 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:46.319 and so she just you know, maybe that's like really simple like card that 22 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.920 she made herself. So I was like, that's that's awesome. I was 23 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.439 very happy trying not to cry, so, uh, you know how that 24 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.879 goes. Um, But yeah, man, one of the best things in 25 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.159 life to get to be a dad. You know. It's you know, 26 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.840 at first, my my wife and I were very like, oh, we're 27 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:07.639 not gonna have kids, and then um, things happened and it's been a 28 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.000 really rewarding experience. Like a lot of people are like not really into kids, 29 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.000 and I get it. But one day, you know, it is 30 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.080 it's it's an I don't know, it's a trade. It's like it's like 31 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:22.039 any Dark It's like any Souls Born game. There's a lot of risks, 32 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.560 but the reward is so good. That's the way. Yeah, my daughter 33 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:28.360 says that now she's like, I don't want to have kids. I don't 34 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.639 I don't want that and I'm just like, Okay, you're twelve, let 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:37.319 me know when you get older, you know how that how that goes. 36 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.199 You always say that. And then for one, you can't always decide that 37 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.800 for yourself, and like what happened to be? And then number two, 38 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.719 it's something it's a huge, a huge blessing that you don't appreciate until it's 39 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:53.039 actually there, So you know, don't that. Yeah, And like my 40 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.360 mine's three, so she's uh, she's a little young, talks very well 41 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:00.919 for three year old, I feel, um, especially when she's trying to 42 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:06.039 make a point in certain things, you know, right, Um, but 43 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.680 yeah, it's like, um, no matter how prepared you are for like 44 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:15.159 parenthood, you're all you're never You're never prepared for the wild thing. Definitely 45 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.919 not. It doesn't matter how many books you read, how much you're you 46 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.759 know, you're significant gather they've had kids before, tell you until you have 47 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:27.240 that experience yourself, it's not it's it's a whole different deal. Yeah. 48 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.599 But um, you know, I'm sure that many of you are fathers out 49 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.400 there and mothers. You know, y'all just went through Mother's Day last month, 50 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:40.439 as well. Um, thank you for listening and or watching and we'll 51 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.800 get into the housekeeping in just a second. But let's talk about we're gonna 52 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.759 be talking about on this show more of that Pom Fantasy sixteen demo. I've 53 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.439 actually finished it. Did you finish it, Steve? I did finish the 54 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.400 story. I didn't realize that there's a second part to the demo, and 55 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:58.759 I've been I've been meaning to get to it, but like I just I 56 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.000 just couldn't right. Um, and I thought it was very good, Like, 57 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.159 um, it was a game I was gonna put on my backlog and 58 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.639 be like, Okay, I'll wait till it hits because I'm a big PC 59 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.120 guy. Yeah, but I'm kind of like, you know what, maybe 60 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.439 maybe I don't know. I don't know. We gotta see how it works 61 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:20.120 out. But after that demo, I've never played a finn fasty game like 62 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.920 that. Every Game of Thrones stylist like they went kind of it's almost like 63 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.759 they took George R. Martin was revealed to be like a writer for this. 64 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:31.439 I would not be surprised. I'd be like, oh, yeah, 65 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:36.199 that makes sense. Yeah, well it's some secret credit that we don't know 66 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:41.800 about. But yeah, we'll get into the sphivics on that. We'll talk 67 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:46.279 about some fallout from the summer game Fest, maybe you get Steve gets some 68 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:53.079 thoughts on the showcases there and some other things that we'll we'll get into all 69 00:04:53.199 --> 00:05:00.680 right, Well again, yeah, I'm actually it's weird because I'm not a 70 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.680 like big Zelda person, but it's the respect, right, It's the like 71 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.560 that being around from even before, like right around when I was born, 72 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:15.439 when my brother was playing games or introducing me. I remember watching him and 73 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.600 I'm like, you know, the music is awesome, doesn't matter if I'm 74 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.759 not like the biggest fan of the games that can't hate the music. So 75 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.759 I was like when I found that, I was like, I gotta use 76 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.879 this. Yeah. Yeah, as as a previous as a musician in my 77 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.480 past life and like being involved with music and stuff listened to, like the 78 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:36.759 chip tune bands and whatnot, it's huge respect for her any musician out there 79 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:40.680 who can do it, oh man, for sure. Like sometimes I look 80 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.079 at that and you go back to those, uh you know, speaking of 81 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.439 fantasy watching, you know, stuff of like the old fantasies and things like 82 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:54.360 that. Oh yeah, I was like, how Umatsu was able to get 83 00:05:54.399 --> 00:06:00.000 those freaking soundtracks on on that on between one through three. It is ridiculous 84 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.680 to me still, he you know that that's the one thing with Fine Fantasy 85 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.360 is I feel like that, uh, the music is one of the key 86 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.240 components, even for Legends Elda. I think like those two games, like 87 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.800 Legends of the Fine Fantasy are best known for like their wide breath of music 88 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:19.160 and how it colectic each song kids sound, and like how the tones still 89 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.120 kind of carry over through each and every game. It's just it's fair they're 90 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.319 both music wise. No one could beat those two games. Yeah, absolutely, 91 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.199 Finn Fantasy have even gone to one of the concerts in the past, 92 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.720 you know, when I was younger, because I love that music so much. 93 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.720 It's just like, like you said, not only do they carry the 94 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:43.720 themes forward, how each game sounds different and amazing at the same time, 95 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.360 you know, yeah, like did they hit like the right notes, like 96 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:53.399 the victory music. Yeah that Oh, it's it's perfect, the like melody 97 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.079 thing that they have almost at the beginning of all of them. It's just 98 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.759 like, you know, it's Fine Fantasy time, Like let's let's yeah. 99 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.560 Yeah. My wife brought me to the Legends of the Symphony a couple of 100 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:10.120 times in Madison Square Garden. We went twice, I believe, and it 101 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.439 was a great show. Great show both times. Oh man. And then 102 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.800 being at the garden too, that's gonna be a really cool experience. Yeah. 103 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.000 Yeah. It wasn't like the huge garden room, but it was like 104 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:25.319 they have like a smaller room. Okay, even the small room is still 105 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.439 like gigantic, and it was. It was a great time. We thought 106 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.680 were like, this room is small. And I ended up being at a 107 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.319 different concert at that same room and I was on the floor, I was 108 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.480 in the pit area, and I looked around. I'm like, no, 109 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:44.000 this place is gigantic. This is a big place. So it's uh, 110 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.319 it was. It was. That show was great, both great show. 111 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.040 That's awesome. I love hearing about you know. I think they said they're 112 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.959 gonna take Sonic on the road with their music, and they have some fantastic 113 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.920 music too, and it's like I love seeing that more video games having their 114 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.920 music out there for more people to listen to in that kind of setting. 115 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.959 That was great, you know. And and it's being integrated into like like 116 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.439 pop bands like Churches is very big on video games and you can hear that 117 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.519 like inspiration and I just I can talk about this for days because of the 118 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.959 music kids, I mean video games are they got a Grammy now, So 119 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.199 it's like, yeah, I'll be interested to see when they actually have the 120 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.560 time to go through this entire year, not like the first one where it 121 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.839 was kind of like, let's just take like five games that kind of have 122 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.840 a name and slap them on there. I mean, not that Valhalla didn't 123 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:35.039 deserve him, just saying, you know, this year, it feels like, 124 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.559 okay, you actually have to go through the releases and decide something like 125 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.159 how could you not have Zelda At the end of the year when they're doing 126 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.519 these Grammys, they better have Pop Fantasy and Zelda on that list because that's 127 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.759 gonna be crazy. Oh yeah, absolutely, especially with like I'm not big 128 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.279 in the classical scene, but like like classical not really hitting the mainstream, 129 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.279 but video game music is like you you can't turn a blind eye, right, 130 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.879 Yeah for sure. But I mean, since we're already talking about Final 131 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.559 Fantasy, I guess, let's let's start there with what you've been playing. 132 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.600 You did say you played. I guess the prologue, the part that actually 133 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.480 goes on to the next to the game that comes out in a couple of 134 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.440 days. It's crazy to say, because I feel like I've been waiting the 135 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.600 whole year for June twenty second to come. It's it's finally there. And 136 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.000 now like after you played the demo, you said you haven't played a Pop 137 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.320 Fantasy game like that. What's the hype level now after you play? So 138 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.320 my, I have this thing that I go through, you know, being 139 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.679 being a senior editor and like I'm if I'm a reviewing game, you get 140 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.440 really hyped for it. You know, I built I built it up. 141 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.720 I did not do that for Final Fantasy sixteen at all. I wasn't I 142 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.080 wasn't even gonna play the demo originally. I just gonna be like, Okay, 143 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:43.919 let's just wait from the game come out and I'll just put the whole 144 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.200 thing one shot. And I'm glad that I went against that, um, 145 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.480 because man, like the story beats are real good, Like, yeah, 146 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.279 the demo is mostly like a movie, I feel, but perfect introduction, 147 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.759 like you you get this tasty at this little flavor of it, and it's 148 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.440 just like it's so good. It was. It was so good. Um. 149 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.440 I think the acting is fantastic that the fact that they have real actors 150 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.480 coming in to do it, some really great voice actors coming in as well. 151 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.720 Um, it just it flowed really well and in the combat at first 152 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.639 the comebat I thought it was kind often that I realized, like there's rings 153 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.200 that are automatically equipped, so you have to unequip them to actually get a 154 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.399 full feel of how the combat works. And that's when I was like, 155 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.279 Okay, I see what you're doing and I like it. And yeah, 156 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.799 like fifteen came close. Like every every Final Fantasy game I play, it 157 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.720 feels like it was a build up to this moment where you had I'm even 158 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.799 gonna say, yeah, Kingdom Hearts three, which was good, but it 159 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.960 wasn't it was too handhold the fl and then we had seven remake, which 160 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.639 was good, and then this kind of adds on to what seven does, 161 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.919 like it just it's a stronger feel and I just I really enjoyed my experience 162 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:01.799 with it, and I can't wait for the full game. I really can't. 163 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.840 It's uh, like I said, I just got to figure out when 164 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:07.840 to start it, because when I started, I'm probably not gonna stop, 165 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.799 so and I know it's a mature rated game, which is the first, 166 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.320 which the first for Final Fancies. So I'm very excited to see where this 167 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:24.559 goes. And I hope my kid will let me play it, so I 168 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.279 hope. So for YouTube, man, that's always rough. When you got 169 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:33.559 the young kids and you're gonna play something mature, you know that you don't 170 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.200 expose into something you don't want to, especially because it's not just mature in 171 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.360 the violent way, it's mature in other ways as well. So yeah, 172 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:45.399 which is different for I mean, it definitely goes into the Game of Thrones 173 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.039 thing right of it. Yeah, He's like, I can't believe he's uh. 174 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.919 He said he made everybody watch the entire series before while they were working 175 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.720 on it. There's something about that studio, especially because I think Yoship is 176 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:05.919 also the producer or director of this one, and he's very big on like 177 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.759 making sure his team is up the snuff on whatever it is they're working on. 178 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.720 With Fantasy fourteen, he made his team play World of Warcraft like they 179 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.519 played World of Warcraft and he was just like, I don't want to do 180 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:24.080 this exactly, but I want to make it like this, and that made 181 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.240 his team better, especially with the whole the Rebirth situation where like the game 182 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.360 came out and it failed, like awfully I played it. It was bad, 183 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.919 and then when he did a realm Reborn, it was so much better 184 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.000 and more streamlined. And it's because he made sure his team did the work 185 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.320 that was necessary to make it work. And it shows. And I'm because 186 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.519 of him, I have full faith in sixteen. So I'm like, yeah, 187 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.279 you can't. You kind of deserve my seventy bucks at this point. 188 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.519 He did a great job with everything else. Yeah, man, I mean 189 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.720 thinking about it, like how much, like you said, they were able 190 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:05.720 to change what people thought at Fine Fantasy fourteen just because they took what was 191 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.480 great about Wow and and other MMOs and said, Okay, let's let's build 192 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:15.320 that into this. And then now it's like the leading MMO out there, 193 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.360 like yeah, and take that one team and and have them work on this. 194 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:26.399 It's like incredible, you know. And you were talking about the voice 195 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.440 after. I don't know if you've seen the guy the voices Clive he's been 196 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:37.360 everywhere this week, and Ben Starr he's been He's been like on every podcast 197 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.120 or one of the you know, the big big guys, like kind of 198 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:46.039 funny or game spot and all that. Um, it's cool to see like 199 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.000 that he and and I and by essentially you know, Clive. Kind Of 200 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.799 a lot of people were upset that that's his name, Clive, and then 201 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:54.279 it's like, all of a sudden, no, I don't care about the 202 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.480 fact that his name is Clive. This this dude's too cool. That's that's 203 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.440 the least my complaints, you know, like, actually, let me take 204 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.759 that back. If I complain that the guy's name is Clive, that's pretty 205 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.919 good. Like I could complain about other things, but now we're gonna stick 206 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.600 to Clive. But that's that that just kind of comes to the territory, 207 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:16.879 you know that that's kind of what they're going for. A lot of the 208 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.679 names are you know, related to Like I believe Clive is a British name. 209 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.120 Um, so I think they're kind of tying it in with that whole 210 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.679 universe because once again the Game of Thrones situations. Yeah, I'm trying to 211 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.639 center myself and I really can't. You know, You're good there, You're 212 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.240 good there. You know. I try to do the same thing, but 213 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:41.440 it's hard sometimes because you're like looking at the camera from one way and it's 214 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.320 like, wait, the camera is actually looking at me the other way. 215 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.879 Yeah, I also have this ultra wide monitor, so it's like, oh 216 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:52.759 yeah, it's crazy. So I mean like, did you I mean obviously 217 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.840 we knew going in it was going to be more like I guess Double Way 218 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.639 Cry or and all that, you know, more like I guess the God 219 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.759 of Wars that have come out. Does it Does it still feel like a 220 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.120 final fancy game to you? Or are you in that realm of like, 221 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.679 oh man, this is just totally different. Um. Well, the thing 222 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.120 is, I feel like this kind of combat has been frontloaded way of advance, 223 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.279 Like Square was pretty straightforward to being like hey not everything's gonna be turn 224 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.320 based. I think ten it was like the last one they're kind of like, 225 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:31.279 yeah, they're like this is this is it for turn based? You 226 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:39.080 know that' Like we're done. And then I eleven was eleven Yeah the m 227 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.879 Yes, twelve was that Gambit system, Yeah, which was also with the 228 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:50.799 MMO type where they're kind of just attacking and you're watching them. Yeah. 229 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.320 Yeah. Fourteen was the one, the last one where they had that sort 230 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.440 of like oh, here's where we're gonna be going. This is so fast. 231 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.159 It doesn't feel like turn based, but it is. And then all 232 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.000 of a sudden, we went full Okay, we're trying to really go action. 233 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.519 Yeah, because they even experimented on their non final Fantasy games with Kingdom 234 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.759 Hardstakes, they expanded on that combat system a little bit. They did a 235 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.120 lot of work until like building up to sixteen. So I'm not surprised in 236 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.960 the slightest that they went to this direction. And it makes sense because that's 237 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.879 what's kind of I don't want to say that's what's in, but that's that's 238 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:32.120 what's in. You know, a lot of people, a lot of purists 239 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.000 want the turn based, but there's a lot of people who are just really 240 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.360 night into that. And yeah, they're just like, Okay, well, 241 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.000 you know, let's try it out. Let's see what it goes. And 242 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.279 it works, that's the thing. If it didn't work, who knows. 243 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.240 But it does, so I can't really say anything. Yeah, And I 244 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.000 felt like I'm one that, like, I love action games, but I'm 245 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.720 gonna say the first off, I'm not like the one that gets the highest 246 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:02.559 scores or whatever. I work with what works, you know. And and 247 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:06.880 the fact that I didn't need the rings like the Dodge is actually done well 248 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:11.160 enough on normal that you can get a feel for when you should and when 249 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.359 you shouldn't. I almost, I'm not gonna lie, almost died playing the 250 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.599 boss that you play in the in the combat demo. She got me really 251 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.160 close, but I was able to, you know, do one of those 252 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.119 like last hitch things and and kill her at the end. But I like 253 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:32.039 the fact that it's like challenging but not dark Souls like, oh my god, 254 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:33.759 I feel like I'm bashing my head against the wall kind of thing. 255 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:38.759 Yeah, because I also kind of notice that the Soul's board games are kind 256 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:45.799 of like now they're slowly becoming the default. I feel right like across it's 257 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.079 it's implemented of the games like Star Wars, Jedi Survivor has that now where 258 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.160 they are, you know, they're they're bringing in that kind of combat style, 259 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.640 and I feel like Final Fantasy doesn't want to go that route, so 260 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.359 they're they're kind of like, hey, let's do something different. Let's do 261 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.559 something a little bit old school, because Devil mccry is that kind of old 262 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.400 school combat and it works. You know, they pulled it up, they 263 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.440 made it more modernized, and uh, I want to see how this works 264 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.559 in the full game and we actually have like all these abilities that we can 265 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.200 add on to it, because that's that's what really excites me about this. 266 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.359 Yeah, I do want to see where the story goes as well, because 267 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.799 the Icon Battle thing looked awesome. I mean, yeah, some of that's 268 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:27.240 probably gonna get kind of old because uh, you know, it is a 269 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.119 little bit like trying to just kind of get you through it. But I 270 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.799 actually didn't. I didn't understand a certain part and I didn't know you could 271 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:40.720 actually like fail and I failed the first time. Oh yeah, yeah, 272 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.519 where where I didn't hit if for it and a certain spot or whatever, 273 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.920 and he actually blew the Phoenix's face off with his fire or whatever. Then 274 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.519 it's like, oh, game over. I was like, what okay, 275 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.640 oh yeah at the beginning, right because I had the same situation, I 276 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.200 was like, oh I'm playing now, yeah, still seamless into that, 277 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.039 and I was like, oh wait wait, I'm actually controlling the phoenix now, 278 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.240 Okay. Yeah, yeah, I had the same feeling. I was 279 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.160 like, oh, oh we're starting okay. Yeah. I mean that's what's 280 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.960 so good is like the Senate normally, you know when you have that many 281 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.839 cut scenes out the wall, it kind of goes like, oh, all 282 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.279 right, whatever, yeah, but these are so good that, like you 283 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.319 you kind of get stuck watching it then go oh, crap, I'm supposed 284 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:25.319 to move now. So yeah, and usually there's like there's an indication, 285 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:27.160 and then this game was just kind of like, oh, it just assumed 286 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.960 you held the control or not, like popcorn or something. But it's uh. 287 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.000 With the demo, the graphics Titan, like just the Titan. Yeah. 288 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.920 I can't remember the name of him or what they are, but they're 289 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:47.200 that model. That was like I was taking pictures with the PlayStation screenshot out 290 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.960 in like every two seconds. I was like, right, yeah, this 291 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.279 is that was me too. I'm like, okay, I know, my 292 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:57.119 my thing's gonna tell me that it can't upload the picture because it's full or 293 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:02.799 whatever, but I'm gonna keep doing it. This is so good. Oh 294 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.799 man, Yeah, it was really good. Um you know. So, 295 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.640 I mean, look, we're we're both getting ready for this game to come 296 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.799 out in a few days. I'm sure all of you guys are as well. 297 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.240 I keep seeing this one guy on Twitter who's just constantly freaking hyping up 298 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.279 this game. I can't remember his name right now, but he's like a 299 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:26.559 content creator for Fantasy I think, and he's he's constantly talking about how how 300 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.880 much he can't wait for this game. So I know a lot of people 301 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.319 are doing that only a few days away and it's gonna be great. But 302 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:40.079 I mean, you've been playing another game that recently came out that people have 303 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.119 been hyped about as well. Afore, yes, yes, I've been playing 304 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:48.000 that a bunch um. Interestingly enough, I'm playing on a PC and also 305 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.920 playing on my steam deck because just like that on the steam Deck, it 306 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.480 works so good. Like I'm kind of upset that Lizard is not really embracing 307 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:02.039 the handheld as as much as I could, Like I know the rog ally 308 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:07.039 it will just work because it's a Windows machine. But using some like Linux 309 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:12.920 backdooring and using like the the desktop mode allowed me to put it on my 310 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.480 steamback and it's like it's like the perfect little device to like not a little 311 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:21.240 huge, but it's a perfect device for me, Like set in the couch 312 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.240 and kind of play while the kid watches TV or something, and like I'm 313 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.440 just killing zombies and skeletons while while she's doing her thing. So it's it's 314 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:32.079 perfect for that and even like medium settings, the game runs really well. 315 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.599 So we had Yeah before I'm really liking it, I played the barbarian I 316 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.200 kind of board, so I jumped over to the Rogue, who I'm really 317 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:45.920 enjoying with my my range build currently and uh, I'm I'm level like almost 318 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.079 thirty on two characters, so I haven't gotten to the end yet, but 319 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.440 I'm I'm building towards it. So you're liking, like I Act three or 320 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:59.759 four, So funny enough, I just started to act took only because like 321 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.599 I, I'm the kind of guy who's like, you give me this kind 322 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.759 of world and there's a huge, sprawling map and there's things to explore, 323 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:07.720 and if I'm like, hey, that's right there, I'm just gonna go 324 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.160 look at that, and it's like, oh, okay, hold on, 325 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.400 there's a live events over here, let me go to that. So I 326 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:17.599 totally get sidetracked, like completely, Like I'm not reviewing the game, so 327 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.279 there's no rush for me to get anywhere, so I'm just kind of like, 328 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.039 oh, there's that thing, let me go check that. Oh there's 329 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.279 that thing, and then lo and behold. Before I even get to like 330 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.319 the crescendo of the act, I'm like, ten levels above like what it 331 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.480 wants me to be, and I'm like, oh, okay, my mistake, 332 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.279 my bad. Think I should have just streamlined it and just ran. 333 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:38.519 I didn't know that, but I was just having fun. It's like, 334 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:45.480 it's it's a very immersive game for a for an AARPG, and it's it's 335 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.160 kind of up there for like a game that you're contender. I'd say, 336 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.119 I'm interested to see how seasons work out. But besides that, great story 337 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:57.759 so far, great cinematics, great gameplay, and besides some maybe internet rubber 338 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:03.400 banding, I haven't experienced too many issues. You've been playing with people or 339 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.559 just by yourself, by myself mostly other people i've seen jumping in out. 340 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.160 I haven't really played with friends because they're all still playing like World Warcraft or 341 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.599 something. They haven't jumped out yet. So yeah, well, I mean 342 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.319 that's good that you another game that you know to add to the list of 343 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:23.359 twenty thirty three games. At this point, it's been an incredible year and 344 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.720 there's more coming. Oh, the Game Awards are gonna be a blood bath. 345 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.079 I've been saying it's gonna be. Yeah, legend is all that you 346 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:40.400 got. You have Fantasy, we have Diablo Starfield coming out. It's gonna 347 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:42.839 be rough. It's gonna be the most indecisive year. I gotta say, 348 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.960 yeah, it's it's gonna be one where you know, it's Spider Man still 349 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.559 because Spider Man stuffer again, where it doesn't win anything because there's so much 350 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:57.079 around it. You know, yeah, it's gonna be one of those crazy 351 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:03.440 years for sure. But you know, just for me really quick, you 352 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.480 know, I've only kind of played the Fantasy thing because I've been This was 353 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.440 the last week for us at the office, so we've been focusing on getting 354 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.319 everybody out the door and all that stuff. So I did get to play 355 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.240 a little bit today. The Steam Next Best started, which I'm hoping this 356 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:22.519 week I'll get to play a lot of these demos of games that I was 357 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:30.400 really excited about throughout watching all those showcases and everything for the indies. So 358 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.240 if you you know, if you're somebody that's curious and you like to put, 359 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.240 you know, try out games. I don't know if Xbox is gonna 360 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.960 have they usually have one around this time as well where they put some of 361 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.720 those demos on Xbox as well, So I'm not sure if if they will 362 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.119 eventually have those if you're a console owner, but if you have a PC, 363 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.440 definitely go on Steam. There's like hundreds of games right now they have 364 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.279 demos, hum, so check it out. I played a little bit of 365 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:03.319 Enter Nights, which is the at indie like action RPG that kind of looks 366 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:11.000 like Persona that's also a dating sim so it was on the one of the 367 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:18.960 PlayStation's State of Plays. Oh yeah, so it's uh, it's definitely unique 368 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.880 for sure. So like you you're so your friend puts you, well, 369 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.720 you're you're playing a character, but they allow you to kind of name it 370 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.279 whatever you want, so you kind of you can either do too to one 371 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.799 or two things. I have it act like yourself or have it be someone 372 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.279 else. You know. So your friend gets you on a dating app, 373 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:44.359 uh, and then you're supposed to start going on this date and then craziness 374 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.880 happens and all of a sudden you get put into this where you're essentially fighting 375 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:55.559 like zombies sort of, and then you know, you go through the action 376 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.279 RG part and I don't know how far the demo goes, like if you 377 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.880 actually get through to some of the dating stuff, but it's fun. Um 378 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:08.559 the Combats actually, uh it was. It wasn't too hard to get into. 379 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:14.359 But I can see some people that maybe aren't big action game fans a 380 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.279 bit struggling and they want to actually do more of the story part. But 381 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.119 they do have difficulty modes, so if you're there more for the story, 382 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.799 they do have like a story mode option where they make the combat easier and 383 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.200 you can kind of just go through, um, the story, which is 384 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.359 they have some really good like animated like cut scenes, and then they have 385 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.960 like the end game stuff as well. So it's one that I'm definitely the 386 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:41.519 problem is just coming out in September in the week where what are Combats coming 387 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:47.160 out? Lisa pe Uh, there's some other big game coming out like that 388 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.279 same week and then that, and I'm like, oh my god, that 389 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:56.640 dude, that developer is gonna it's gonna suffer for sure on that. Oh 390 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.400 yeah, and it's it's it's hard because they don't deserve it. They don't 391 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.839 deserve Yeah, August is gonna be gigantic. September it's gonna be gigantic. 392 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.279 I was doing the content calendar for for Season Gaming and getting Ducks in a 393 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.119 row over there, and uh, I was looking at those months. I'm 394 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.519 like, what are we gonna do? There's so much, there's so much, 395 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:19.680 and I'm like, I had myself down for two reviews. I'm like, 396 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.920 oh, I can only do one. This is gonna be a little 397 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.319 rough here because yeah, two of them are right next to each other. 398 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.160 I'm like, all right, October's gonna be pretty big. And then like 399 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.720 November nothing. Yeah, like everybody decided to skip November this year for some 400 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.799 reason. Yeah, then Avatar in December seventh. It's like, what's going 401 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.559 on here? I don't know. It's just it's really weird. It's like, 402 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.519 instead of taking advantage of the Black Friday and all that time, I 403 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.920 guess they said, up, well, it won't get nominated for Game of 404 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:53.680 the Year if we don't put it in October. So I guess. I 405 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:59.200 guess. I guess that's all got to do it before then. Yeah. 406 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.119 It's it's crazy, man, Like, it's crazy. Just I guess kind 407 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.039 of go into any thoughts you had on the summer game fest that just just 408 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:15.599 happened. How much like it feels like we're getting into Jeff Keely is assuming 409 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:21.079 his dream here slowly but surely, like people are molding their game releases around 410 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.200 the Game Award. Summer game fests actually felt like E three this year, 411 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.279 like we're we're starting to get there. I feel like, yeah, I 412 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.960 feel like it's funny because I kind of I personally like to kind of joke 413 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.640 around on Jeff Keeley because it's you know, he's popular. It's funny, 414 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.640 right, But in all seriousness, I give him so much respect for like 415 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:48.839 he's single handedly pretty much saved this entire concept of a conference, especially when 416 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.480 you have all these people pulling out and the ESA is doing absolutely nothing to 417 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:59.400 try to try to keep some sort of legitimacy in the video game world. 418 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.640 They're they're just kind of abandoning the medium. And then you got Jeff Keely 419 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:11.119 who's like breaking his back to give back to the community in a way that 420 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.160 that one of the biggest organizations in the world can't. So I give us 421 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.400 so much respect for being able to be like, Okay, well, let's 422 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.920 go Kajima on stage, which she does all the time. Yeah, or 423 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.400 like let's let me get Elddn't Ring. I'm gonna show off the first trailer 424 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:29.200 for Eldden't Ring that's a huge deal. Final Fantasy seven rebirth. I think 425 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.039 it is, like that's a big deal, and like he's got stuff on 426 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:40.480 from from Summer Game infest that Sony should have had their in their conference, 427 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.400 right, that's a big deal. Yeah. The fact that Sony didn't Sonny 428 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.480 actually wanted to work with him. They didn't just shove it all in their 429 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.400 showcase and go like, oh, I'm sorry, Jeff, we gotta do 430 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.720 us first. Yeah yeah yeah, Which like if if I was Sonny, 431 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.400 that would probably been a move that I would have pulled. Is like no, 432 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.599 sorry, we want to show a Final Fantasy like not you. So 433 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.319 the fact that he's respected enough to get that is is a huge deal U 434 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:07.920 and for the entire world to kind of just like look at him and be 435 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.119 like, Okay, we see what you're doing and we respect it. And 436 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.839 I respect him for where he does. I used to put on I used 437 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.319 to work on an expo, a local thing by here, so I know 438 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.200 what it's like to run like a segment, and it's it's so hard. 439 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.440 It's so it puts so much work and you really need a good team to 440 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.160 do it. So I respect him for like putting in all that hard work 441 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.559 and getting it together, because I really don't think anyone else could have done 442 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.200 it. I really don't. It's it's that's what I mean for sure. 443 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:45.359 And for him not to just uh, he actually really did try to bring 444 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.759 gaming together instead of the ESA where it's like, hey, everybody to the 445 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.440 highest bidder, you do your thing and will just be your host and all 446 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.559 that stuff, and you pay money to have a booth on the floor, 447 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.480 and he's, yeah, he's trying to prove that, like you don't have 448 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.160 to waste money and all that stuff. Just do your showcase digitally, bring 449 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.880 your games to the like play days and all that stuff. Let people have 450 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.720 that experience of having the demos and everything, but you don't have to have 451 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.559 this extravagant thing that nobody really needs to. I mean, yes, do 452 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.640 I miss that? Like do I do? I love the fact when I 453 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.960 went to E three and like you get to see all that stuff on the 454 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.440 floor and it feels like, oh my god, you're like a video game 455 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.599 heaven or whatever. But I don't miss the whole go into like five different 456 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.519 halls and go in a million places for interviews and all that stuff. Either. 457 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.119 I don't so like the fact that it's all in that one place. 458 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:40.599 That's such a cool thing for a journalist. And then for the like gamers, 459 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.920 you know, for us Washington at home, it's also a cool thing 460 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.720 because there's so much packed in this one week and it and he's gotten it 461 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.200 better every week every year and number. At first it was like this whole 462 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.799 month long thing and it was like, oh my god, this is way 463 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:59.400 too much information constantly. And now he's kind of brought it back to like 464 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:00.759 what E three was, where it's like, Okay, it's one week, 465 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.480 you get a lot of stuff and then you get to chew on that for 466 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.039 the rest of the year. Yeah. Yeah, he did a really good 467 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.119 job with that. And uh, all the companies as well, like they're 468 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:14.400 reps and whatnot. Um, you know, when when E three was efficially 469 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.119 canceled, my heart went out to the guys over at Red Pop because I 470 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:22.799 had a handful of them and they tried very hard to bring E three back. 471 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.599 And it's just like when you're working with a company, like I said, 472 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.759 at the ESA, and they're not lighting a single hand, they're just 473 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.640 like, ye're sure whatever, like make us money. And then and then 474 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.359 you know, my heart like I said, my heart goes out not to 475 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:44.119 them hearing about that, but I'm what was that? That was actually my 476 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.799 my usual co host Mark He's he's watching there and he's, uh, he 477 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.720 always has some joke about Tommy Tollerrigo. Oh my god, so saying you 478 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.640 know, I mean, yeah, I don't know if you mind if I 479 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.640 got a brief tangent, no, go ahead, go I Tommy tellar Rico 480 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.480 is one of the most interesting man in men in gaming. I gotta say, 481 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.559 like Jeff Keilley is there too, of course, but there's something about 482 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.160 that guy like I just I want to be in a room with him and 483 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.279 just ask him everythingle like, no MIC's, no phones. I just want 484 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.799 to be like, what's going on, dude? What like H Bomber I 485 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.160 don't know if you felt like h Bomber guy on YouTube? Yeah at all? 486 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.240 But he did a video on the Minecraft sound or I think it was 487 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.240 Minecraft. It was at the oh Sound. Yeah, it brought him down 488 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.359 this wild rabbit hole that ended with Tommy Tellarrico, and I'm just like it 489 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.359 could blew my mind. And like every time I at least expect this guy 490 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.920 to show up, he does it's like he's just yeah, it's amazing that 491 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.000 we talked about music before he did Video Games Live. Yes, And I'm 492 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.200 like that was him, Like I saw that a couple of times. He 493 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.799 has some like cool credits in industries, and sometimes he tries to take credit 494 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.960 for things that like really weren't him. And it's it's the same thing with 495 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.159 like the him trying to ring back the in television am ego thing, and 496 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:14.000 it's that thing bombs so hard, like they couldn't even make it to where 497 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.280 like the Atari thing where okay that sort of exists, uh in where no 498 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.039 one talks about it but it exists. Yeah, Like he couldn't even get 499 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.800 to that where it actually launched and somebody actually reviewed it and talked about it, 500 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:31.960 like it just bombed. His point was, I don't. That's one 501 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.320 of the reasons why I want to ask it, because that that had to 502 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.559 be my kneelandering scheme. I can't, Yeah, I can't. That guy, 503 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:45.880 Like it's just like he's like a nightmare creature to me. I'm afraid 504 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.360 that I'm gonna I'm gonna like turn a corner and it's like boom. Tommy 505 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.840 Tellarrico is gonna be right there and I'm like, oh what, and he's 506 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.199 just gonna yell at me or something. I don't know. That's uh, 507 00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.320 he's so interesting and it just like he really shouldn't be, but he is. 508 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.639 That drives me nuts, drudgs me absolutely crazy. Um, even the 509 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.039 guys from even though it's like Maga sixty four, like he's just an anomaly 510 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.400 of a person. Yeah, that's It's so true though, And you know 511 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:19.079 Mark's making a joke, but he loves retro stuff, so he actually probably 512 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.920 pre ordered the thing. And then of course you know it doesn't go anyway. 513 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.280 I know, I know plenty of people who did and they were really 514 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.360 upset. And I was like, once I knew, Tommy Tillery goes avolbum 515 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:30.480 like it's not happening to guys, I'm sorry, like that to be. 516 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.159 He even had the commercial and everything and then yeah, nothing like there's this 517 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.239 one YouTube preview of it. I forgot who did it. They're like, 518 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.880 oh, this is the most immersive game ever, Like it is not. 519 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.639 Yeah, it's not a good game. Like I'm sorry. I mean the 520 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.639 CDI did similar stuff. I mean it's not like you know CDI who that 521 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:59.920 throws her back. Yeah, there was actually some decent stuff on that thing. 522 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.199 I mean, everybody loves to hate on the Zelda games or whatever, 523 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.920 but like that was one of the systems. My dad is not a gamer 524 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.039 at all, but aside from the Wii, that is the one system because 525 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.039 there was this like wacky golf game for it, I can't remember with the 526 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.119 name. Yeah, and he had the controller where you actually it had the 527 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.519 roller and he had to actually like roll the thing like making seekers swinging the 528 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.800 golf club and it was actually really cool and like he would play that thing 529 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.159 with me for hours, and like it goes back to that whole thing of 530 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.519 when you actually try to make something that is immersive, right, it works, 531 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.760 but not to tell it man that should have stood in the grave. 532 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.480 Oh and you know Mark makes a point that he's like he knew it was 533 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.880 gonna be a scan from day one. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's the 534 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.920 way you looked at this thing and thought like it was gonna be something serious. 535 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.119 It's like, uh, like I think his nextployees could be like to 536 00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.440 bring the engage back. Yeah, I mean, like, and the thing 537 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:01.960 is like he's one of those people that can sell eyes to an Eskimo, 538 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:07.119 so like the fact that he got Earthworm Jim forward to be exclusive to that 539 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.400 thing, like it's like wow, and then sadly it never came out. 540 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.719 Yeah, once again, he's like like Jeff Keilly is like the more lawful, 541 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:23.599 good person and he's chaotic just straight, and I'm just like I need 542 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:29.320 to understand him, Like I need to understand why. Yeah, instead of 543 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.360 having a Jack and Stranger Paradise, they should have put Tommy Telarco in there. 544 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.119 You know, him yelling chaos all the time. I can imagine it's 545 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:44.000 you know, it's on PC it you know. So I mean that brings 546 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.800 before we keep going just because you know, even though you are a senior 547 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.480 at a season gaming and season gamings, man, y'all have gotten huge. 548 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:58.519 Man. I feel like between that podcast with Ains and Everybody and and Hogan 549 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.199 Um and then you know, the site is such a big deal. I 550 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.920 love reading stuff on there. You'all do some great work. It's always cool 551 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.960 to like know where everybody's like gaming origins come, like, you know, 552 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.800 because not everybody, like Keith is not actually a games journalist. He's not 553 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.920 you know, from Outer Haven. He's not like this, Oh my god, 554 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.159 I always he started and decided he wanted to make the website, and 555 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.079 then he's kind of taken this turn. So like, I know there's other 556 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.159 people like that. It's cool to learn where where everything started for you. 557 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.920 Have you where you always a gamer from? From? Like the moment you 558 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.000 remember did somebody gets you into or did you get you kind of somebody gave 559 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.239 you a system and you started there. Uh. Well, I remember we 560 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.920 had Nintendo in the house I lived in, uh you know, back in 561 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.960 the eighties it was like everyone lived in the same house. Still kind of 562 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.920 like that depending on where you are, but it's uh, it was this 563 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.679 huge family of mine and we all had this Nintendo. I remember everyone going 564 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.800 back and forth, like playing games back, like swapping controllers and all this 565 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.280 stuff. But it really started that was like their system. I just had 566 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.199 to play Mariot want it. But it really started with the Sake of Genesis 567 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:17.119 with me like uh playing Sonic the Hedgehog um and like I loved the Sake 568 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.440 of Genesis so much. My grandparents bought one for their house, so we 569 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.960 would play games over there too with with them too. It wasn't like a 570 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.559 system where they just like put it in front of us and said do whatever. 571 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.599 While we do this, my grandmother sat down with me. We would 572 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.800 actually go back and forth and sonic and like trade the controller like if I 573 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.840 died, okay, now it's her turn, and she died back to me. 574 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:43.440 So, um it was My family embraced it, and uh it was 575 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.320 that that's kind of like where I was born from. And then uh, 576 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.239 down the road, I just started writing once I got jobs at a game 577 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.320 crazy, which is a yeah, the one inside a Blockbuster they right, 578 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.320 it was highywad video, Blockbuster video, right, yeah, but Blockbuster I 579 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.440 like their own they were trying to do with it just never took off. 580 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.800 Um, but yeah it was. It was part of Hollywood Video and I 581 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.320 worked there for a while. Then I jumped over the game stop and um, 582 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.320 I call it from GameStop on I called the evolution of the games writer 583 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:21.320 where it's like, okay, you started the GameStop employee that you like work 584 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.639 for like a PR firm, where you work for like a writing for a 585 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.440 video game company. It's like it's like a Pokemon evolution kind of a thing. 586 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:34.360 Um, and that's I started, uh working with Season Gaming about three 587 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.840 years ago, like right, kind of when the pandemic was starting and I 588 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.199 was like, okay, let me get a let me get a little bit 589 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.480 more writing experience. And I worked with these guys because I followed ains for 590 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.360 a very long time. You know. We met on Reddit and uh, 591 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.920 him and I hit it off, and then we got some of the great 592 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.440 dudes on on there. I met Keith at packs two years ago and he's 593 00:40:54.440 --> 00:41:00.039 he's a great guy, and uh yeah it was. Uh that's kind of 594 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.559 where my origins and how I got to this point right now. And I 595 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:10.360 even even my day job. I m a a computer hardware web content writer 596 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.760 for a pretty big retailer. I'm not going to say who, right, 597 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.280 Okay, I'm just only because like this company is actually big enough where someone 598 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.880 found me to come and be like, oh that's weird. Yeah. Plus 599 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.199 you know, with Aarona, you never know. People are so terrible sometimes. 600 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:29.960 Yeah, so I'm like, you know what, I'm not going to 601 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.519 tellity one exactly who, but it's a big company and I do a lot 602 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.519 of their computer work. So it's video games. Since I was a child 603 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:44.360 of being seven seven years old playing Sonic that got me to where I am. 604 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.480 Now, Hey, I mean that's cool. You know you're not You're 605 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.199 one of those people that can say, look, video games did something for 606 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.039 me. Look what I'm doing with that now, you know. That's that's 607 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.320 always a cool thing. Is I remember growing up and my mom's kind of 608 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.960 always sort of supported it. You know. My dad was was exactly that. 609 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.480 He was not a gamer. He just put the thing in front of 610 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.119 me, and I don't think he expected me to grab it like I did, 611 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:13.000 and it became like the thing that I like to do aside from sports. 612 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.519 So he but he was never a oh, let me play with you, 613 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.400 let me figure out why you like it, you know kind of he 614 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.960 was just like, all right, I'm a doctor. I got too much 615 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.800 stuff to do. You know, you play, Yes, I gotta say 616 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:34.079 live. So it's it's one of those things where like, thankfully it's good 617 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.000 to hear those stories of like, hey, this does still still happen for 618 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.840 people, you know, and and the fact that gaming has grown to where 619 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.239 I look at all of the stuff. My brother, who's also a tech 620 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.320 person, is also like a streamer as well on the side, so it's 621 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.679 always cool to me to see how people go from that to another thing in 622 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.440 gaming. Yeah, that I met my wife through game stop like we're both 623 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.280 a system managers. Those different stories. We hit it off and uh like 624 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:06.320 it's it's so crazy how gaming has affected my life beyond beyond a reason. 625 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.039 It shouldn't be like this and it turned out perfect. So so like you 626 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.920 mentioned Sonic right, but what of your I guess favorite genres some some other 627 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.840 favorite games for you? Um favorite genres definitely rpg um MMOs are I'm big 628 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.159 into MMOs Like I love these times sink. I love any game where I 629 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.119 get to phillip a bar and then I can make numbers gill bigger. Like 630 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.519 if any game has that number go up, number numbers go up, you 631 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:42.519 got me? Um, Like I'm big World Orcraft fan. I'm big. 632 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.599 I'm really kind of diving more into Final Fantasy fourteen because I got burned out 633 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.360 on on wow. Um, But like I love those games. I love 634 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.039 my RPGs. I one of my favorite I remember playing. I remember telling 635 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.719 my parents I was too sick to go to school so I can play a 636 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:04.719 Final Fantasy seven that that that series means so much to me. Um and 637 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.440 then like I'm surprisingly enough out of left field of racing games. Wow. 638 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.480 I don't know why. I'm not a big car guy. I love the 639 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.320 way cars look, but I can't I can tell you how like parts of 640 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.920 an engine. Otherwise, like games four Is the Horizon and whatnot and Motorsport, 641 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:30.239 they're just RPGs for cars that oh yeah for sure likes think about it, 642 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.599 like you're literally putting better parts in your car so you can upgrade your 643 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.320 car. Yeah. Sometimes they do have numbers that go up with that too, 644 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.719 So exactly you put money into it, numbers go up. That's my 645 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.719 thing. It gets more expensive, so you got to send more money. 646 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:52.679 Exactly, you gotta do more races. You're grinding out for resources, which 647 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.079 I mean the first thing that makes you have to grand eff for gas. 648 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.280 You know, then I'm done right. Yeah, Like the games like four 649 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.719 Z, where's a little arcadie, it's not too serious, yeah, because 650 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.000 sometimes Grand Turismo, I can't play Grand Turismo in the regular Fourza because they 651 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.000 get too simulation. And I'm like, look, I love driving my car. 652 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:16.440 I've learned to actually like cars and like to know what's in them and 653 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:22.519 how to fix things or whatever. But um, I'm not a Oh my 654 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.440 god, I gotta have this and i gotta drive at like thirty miles an 655 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.920 hour to go the past this tur and I got, Yeah, I'm just 656 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:31.239 Grand tros a movie looks cool, but I don't want to drive. But 657 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.519 it does, it does. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way where 658 00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.639 it's just like I like the Horizon series because it's a playground. It's go 659 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.400 around, do whatever you want, and they're just like for it's a Horizon. 660 00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.760 I think they're on five is the more recent one where they're just like, 661 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.119 here's a supercar. You turn the game on. Here's a supercar, 662 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.639 go three hundred miles an hour, hit a ramp, go fly into the 663 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.400 ocean. I don't care. And I'm like, yes, that's how that's 664 00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.679 how this scapes should be. But I do respect like the the the simulation 665 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.079 games and stuff, and uh, I think that's also partial, dude to 666 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.239 like my history with like Grand theft Oto and like those, you know those 667 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.159 kinds of games where they were very car centric, like Twisted Metal, like 668 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.000 even though it was like a car combat game, is still car centric. 669 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.159 So it was. There's another one I had tough headback forgot what it was 670 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.679 MMOs, RPGs and racing games. Well that's uh you know, that's cool 671 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.639 to have that one that that's a bit different, you know for me. 672 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.880 You know, like I said, I always like sports, and then people 673 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.679 are are you know, they go, oh, why do you like these 674 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.880 RPG things? And and and whatever. They're just a bunch of you know, 675 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.440 you know, before a Game of Thrones, it wasn't cool necessarily always 676 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:50.639 to like that stuff. So now and now Dungeon and dragons becoming like more 677 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.440 in vogue or whatever. It's not like oh, old eighties thing that people 678 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.760 used to play, and you're like a super nerd. So I'm like, 679 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.840 you know, I go, yo, you guys that are so crazy. 680 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.159 And a fantasy football you don't understand. That's basically an RBG for football, 681 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.199 right, We're just y'all are just drafting a team and then putting them out 682 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.079 there to see who gets you the most one. It's the same. It's 683 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:20.119 it's a yearly roguelike, you know exactly. It's it's not anything um crazy, 684 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.800 Like people just don't see it because it's like, oh, football school. 685 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.400 So it's like, no, it's the same thing, guys. It's 686 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.519 the same thing. It's you wear the jerseys, you know, you have 687 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.599 the numbers your favorite go to the bar and buy food and sit there and 688 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.400 watch games you don't give a crap about because one player is on it and 689 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.559 you're looking at your phone going, ah, my guys out, like yeah, 690 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.960 exactly. The medics had to come out to the concussion guys to come 691 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.000 out and save him, like throw my health potion, I give you some 692 00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:00.320 HP. Oh man, I think I think Final Fantasy tends. Um, 693 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.079 what was it? Blitz Ball really kind of yes, kind of revealed that 694 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.360 like, hey, everything is an RPG. Everything thing in life is an 695 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.960 RPG, and if anything gaming now is everything is trying to if it's if 696 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.679 it's not already it's everything is, let's be an RPG. So Assassin's Creed, 697 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.440 let's make it an RPG. I'm like, oh, okay, not 698 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.679 bad, but I mean I like, let's make it an RPG. Let's 699 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.239 you know, like everything's got to have a grind, everything's got to be 700 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.280 like that. It's like, can we just leave the RPG mechanics to the 701 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:37.760 RPG guys please? Yeah? Like awards, but don't you know, do 702 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.119 something like these every game having like a percentage like oh, this increases your 703 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.880 defense by two percent? Like can we stop it. Yeah, Like not 704 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.000 every game needs to do that, like, because then it's gonna be all 705 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:55.000 homogeneous and won't have the awesome mc cleckiness the gaming Speaking of that really quick, 706 00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:00.320 Um, before we get totally off the topic, did you have any 707 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.039 games that, like you were excited to see from Summer Game Fest or any 708 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.079 of the other showcases. Uh, the biggest one for me is gonna be 709 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.480 Starfield. Like how could you not? But I'm big I'm a big sci 710 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.639 fi guy. Like I said, I don't try to get hyped over things 711 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:21.320 because, like I feel like hype is I don't want to say it's genuinely 712 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.320 a bad thing, but how you deal with hype could end up being bad, 713 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.480 like if you hype it up so much and it ends up not living 714 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.960 up to your expectations, which over the last couple of years we've had a 715 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.679 huge experience with. So Starfield is one of those games where, like, 716 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.960 it looks so good, I'm super happy they showed off that Starfield Xbox controller 717 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.679 and the headset. I was like, oh my god, that controller looks 718 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.840 so awesome. Do I need those? I do not know, I do 719 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:51.000 not, but do I want them? Yes? Yes. I had a 720 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.199 friend who was gonna guest on the show and he couldn't. Um and it 721 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:58.880 was actually his birthday on Sunday. Uh you know, shout out said card 722 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.320 Dome Man. He got controller, and I was like, oh my god, 723 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:06.119 that looks so pretty. I'm sitting there going nope, must not press 724 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:12.320 button on Amazon, must not press I already have. I have two controllers 725 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.760 right next to me. I got this one, the thirtieth and the twentieth 726 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.679 anniversary one, which, like the control style just looks so good. This 727 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.360 is one of my favorites. And uh, you had the tight and fall 728 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.519 controller and then that broke on me, which was upsetting. And then for 729 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.920 Christmas, my brothers got me one of the Elite controllers with the design lab 730 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.840 blue. Yeah. I like this one. And I'm kind of like, 731 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:42.400 if I get another controller, I'm not going to use these, So yeah, 732 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.239 another controller you'll have to like purposely make yourself like go, okay, 733 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.920 well I'm gonna play with this controller today. Yeah yeah. And like the 734 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.199 Starfield control, um, it's just so good. And then uh, what 735 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.920 was it like? And that's and then I realized that that's kind of how 736 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.719 Microsoft is making their money because they're not they have game Pass, so they're 737 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:04.400 not making money off of games like Starfield really, but they'll make money off 738 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.400 the peripherals. So that's like their their give and take. And I'm like, 739 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.920 Okay, I don't need fine lab things such like a neat idea. 740 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.920 Man, it's so good. The design lab stuff is so fantastic. But 741 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.679 that's where their money is. It's it's in this kind of hardware. Um. 742 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.159 I used to actually work for Microsoft, so I know firsthand what they're 743 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.039 making money off of it. This is this is one of those things where 744 00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:29.119 like they struck old with it. They really did, and it's good quality 745 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.480 stuff, I will say for the most part. I know some people had 746 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:36.599 issues with the Elite version one, but this one, Elite two, has 747 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:42.280 been holding a pretty well through my Diablo campaigns. So that's that's good here. 748 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.280 I mean, since we're on the Xbox Shop. You know, they 749 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.840 had, by all accounts, in a tremendous showcase after having like so many 750 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:55.239 years of people just downing them. But a lot of stuff came out after 751 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.920 the showcase. They had this big interview where they talked about a bunch of 752 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.679 different thing I kind of gave you like little highlights of things that they talk 753 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.360 about. Was there something that stood out to you that that you feel like, 754 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.239 Okay, we kind of need to talk about that. Yeah, okay, 755 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.760 So I'm a big heart of our guy. I'm a big PC guy. 756 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.159 I wrote a couple of articles comparing the PlayStation architecture with the Xbox architecture, 757 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.119 with like the Steam deck and like how the PC markets now changing because 758 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.960 it's in a weird spot right now. I don't know if anyone's really privy 759 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.039 to what's going on with like Vidya and am D and all these how that 760 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.719 affects consoles, which is a big deal. So you have it right here 761 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:45.159 about Starfield being at the thirty fps the Xbox Series X, but it's it's 762 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.280 four K resolution and this is like this is this hits home for me because 763 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.599 I love this game. I love how it looks, and everyone who's played 764 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.880 like the hour long demo of it has said they loved everything they interact you 765 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.559 with, And don't think black people are understanding in the full scope of what 766 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.599 this game is. Like, Yeah, they talk. There's a reason why 767 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.719 that directed was forty five minutes. I watched it a lot of information. 768 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.159 I watched this thing three times because there was that much info on it, 769 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:19.239 and if you really paid attention to it, they did drop hints on why 770 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.559 it has to be thirty frames per second on the console. On PC, 771 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:28.039 I'm expecting sixty, and I got no problem running it because the specs are 772 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.480 out and specs are pretty decent. But people will get like, there's no 773 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:37.039 such thing when it comes to like PC or just game development in any case, 774 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.079 there's no such thing as a decision. There's compromises. That's what all 775 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.519 these companies do. They don't go out and say, well, we're gonna 776 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.320 make this thirty. That's what we have to do. No, they tried 777 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.679 sixty, and sixty wasn't working no matter what they did, no matter what 778 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:58.480 horses, horsepower they threw at it, all the horses where what they threw 779 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.960 at it, it just wasn't going to work. So they said, okay, 780 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.519 well we're gonna have to compromise this in one way do we want, 781 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.239 because here's how it works. It's either And it kind of stinks to say 782 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.039 this, but when you look at a game like the scope and the scale, 783 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:17.760 with the regenerative concepts and everything being like thrown in your face quickly without 784 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.559 hesitation you need to consider, Okay, well we have four K resolution, 785 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.119 that's a need. Okay, well if we do four K resolution, that 786 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.679 we're gonna have to cut the frames from sixty to thirty? Like, can 787 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.760 we deal with that? I can deal with that. I don't know whether 788 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:37.639 the hardcore gamers who are complaining they can't deal with that, but they'll deal 789 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.320 with it, because if there's one thing that is weaker, the weakest thing 790 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.559 the world is in gaming, your boycott like we know this, yes every 791 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:52.039 time. Not to mention the fact that people always tend to forget the loud 792 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:58.760 voices on social media are such a small section of gaming. There is such 793 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.760 a wider bride of the game are out there that has no idea this is 794 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.800 happening, and they'll go and buy it because they don't care. Ye. 795 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.760 So, so there's something called the diffusion of innovation, the law of diffusion 796 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.519 of innovation, and it's if it was popularized by this speaker named Simon Senec, 797 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:21.480 and it's it's a marketing concept where you have a whole different you have 798 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.280 a couple of groups of people, and you want to market yourself to hit 799 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.519 these specific groups of people and starts out with the early adopters. You know, 800 00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.239 that's gonna be the people buying the Starfield Controller day one or day like 801 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.960 negative zero, the games I've been out yet. People are buying shit up 802 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.199 part of my language. Then you have like the people who are like, 803 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.480 Okay, now I'm going to buy this stuff because they're buying this stuff and 804 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:45.880 they're saying it's good, so I'm going to dive into it. And then 805 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:51.760 you have more of those people. Then starts going down to the last resort, 806 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.480 the people who only change because they have to. And Microsoft is smart 807 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.760 enough to understand their market. They understand and who they're going for. They're 808 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.639 going a little bit for the early adopters because they're going to bring other people 809 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.280 in and they're reaching a market penetration of like fifteen percent, and that's what 810 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.119 they called the threshold. If you can get past like fifteen to twenty percent, 811 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.079 you're golden. And that's what Microsoft is doing with these games, is 812 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.400 that they know who they're going for. They know what's going on. And 813 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:24.360 the loudest people on the Internet are not the crowd they're going for. They're 814 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:29.079 not because there's many of people that that look at that and they go, 815 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.239 oh, man, I can do all this stuff and in space, and 816 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.239 they're going to just get grabbed on that. And then you go, oh 817 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.480 wait, I can just subscribe to game Pass and play these for fifteen bucks, 818 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.199 like oh right there, and then you got a new game Pass subscriber. 819 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.440 And they're not really what you would call a hardcore gamer, but they 820 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.079 got it based on what they saw on that thing. Yeah. They're the 821 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.360 way that Microsoft is. It's funny because all these companies are, like, 822 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.519 they have the smartest people on their staff. They they write checks for the 823 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.880 right people. And the guy on Twitter with an anime profile I pick it 824 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:05.440 was gonna tell me that they don't know what they're doing. Okay, yeah 825 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.280 right, like you know better? Sure. Um So the fact that like, 826 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.280 yeah, Red Fall was a big mistake and they owned up to that. 827 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:15.559 Um, it wasn't great. I didn't even play it. I just 828 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.800 I just know I don't have time. Yeah, I know it wasn't good. 829 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.800 Um, But with all the positive feedback I've heard in Starfield, like 830 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.599 and the fact that they pushed it off that far, they know they have 831 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.199 something really good on their hands and I'm just very excited to play. That's 832 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:38.400 that's my pick for for for that showcase. Um, because as of right 833 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:45.119 now, I can't remember a single thing other than that, uh he had 834 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.599 what a vow. They showed a little bit of Fable, which you know, 835 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.519 Fable were still a while off from from my understanding and the information that 836 00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:59.400 I know, we're still a while off. Um, they just filled up 837 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.800 their last writing spot. So the narrative design team is a great team of 838 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.480 people, and as we know, Fables all about the narrative, So we 839 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.360 got to wait for them. People can that, people can fly, um 840 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.360 playground. They have to do that. They would like redeveloped their entire engine 841 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.599 to work for Fable because they don't want to make it a racing game, 842 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:25.440 so I wouldn't mind as an RPG, but um, they had to do 843 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.519 a lot of work to like just get to the point that they were had 844 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.679 so to see them. Actually, honestly, I was really surprised to see 845 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.119 them open with Fable because I was not expecting to have that kind of a 846 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.280 full trailer at that time because apparently that's also showing off like what the game 847 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:45.119 is supposed to be like. So I'm expecting maybe maybe two years, maybe 848 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:50.360 twenty That's what it fell back to me. The fact that they didn't even 849 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.440 put anything close because everything else there was pretty much like twenty twenty four, 850 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.519 that kind of thing that they didn't put a day on. It probably feel 851 00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:00.679 makes them feel like we don't feel like this is going to be anything close 852 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:04.760 to right. Yeah, And the fact that we know that Microsoft has no 853 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.119 problem pushing games off that they need to be pushed off. But I like, 854 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:08.760 I know a lot of people at the point they read Fall and be 855 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.960 like, well what about that one? But there was a lot of stuff 856 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.239 behind this and they did delay that game, Yeah, it did. And 857 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:22.039 the fact that also it's like they didn't come in with that game. That 858 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.360 game was brought to them, they delayed it, and then, like Phil 859 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:30.119 said, it was at the point where it's like it didn't really matter how 860 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.199 much more time we gave it. The way that the game was made, 861 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.159 it would have had to take an entire overhaul. They could have taken even 862 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.760 longer, and how many resources are you going to waste on that when you 863 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:44.960 just put the game out and then hey, hopefully it pulls one of these 864 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.960 Ubisoft things where they can get it into a state where people might enjoy it 865 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.079 at some point. Yeah, Like I don't like seeing a game fail, 866 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.719 and I don't like it when people like say, like they praised a game 867 00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:00.239 for failing or something like that. But Dreadful, it's like it's it's a 868 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:05.519 learning opportunity and plus it there's a lot of stuff going on at Arcane that 869 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.039 Microsoft didn't even know what was happening, Like a lot of people quitting, 870 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:15.519 you know, that huge team lost almost a lot of that pre team and 871 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:20.519 everything. You know, so like when when you're experiencing that sort of attrition, 872 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:24.039 like how do you how do you collect yourself and still release a product? 873 01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:30.840 Like I think releasing a game at all is a miracle. I don't 874 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.400 think people understand like how much work it takes to get to that point, 875 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.880 especially when like you're considering pipeline, the scope and everything. Like I'm surprised, 876 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:45.119 I'm surprised to Halo. I'm not surprised, but you know, having 877 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:49.320 Halo get pushed off, like it's not in great spot right now because of 878 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.119 the after effects of the store. Imagine that came out when it was supposed 879 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.599 to, like that would have that would have been terrible, and then started 880 01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.360 getting the push like, we know Starfield needed that push, so it's yeah 881 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.440 and uh, I mean, and you compare that to something like Legend of 882 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.920 Zelda two's The Kingdom was supposed to come out last year, but they spent 883 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.320 a year on just fixing bugs. Imagine if Nintendo released that when it was 884 01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.360 supposed like a last year when they said it was supposed to supposed to come 885 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.199 out, that would have been a train wreck. But yeah, same thing 886 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.760 with Fall Fanacy sixteen, right, Yoshi, He basically said, oh, 887 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.519 we spent the last year basically year polishing it. I mean, yeah, 888 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.400 they're still gonna have to have a Day one patch, but imagine if it 889 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.159 would have they would have tried to have it come out last year. Yeah, 890 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.960 and that's kind of like where we are. What we're looking at the 891 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.119 industry is on end mass Triple A games need just a year of polished to 892 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:44.880 come out without any issues. I don't think the yearly schedule, like even 893 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.000 what was it Call of Duty. They went from just two teams, just 894 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.320 two two teams going, you get year one, we get year two, 895 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.760 then we get year three, then you get year four. Now they have 896 01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:01.480 three separate teams who were working on three year cycle because they need one just 897 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:07.920 one year to just like figure out other stuff. That's where we're at in 898 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.679 Triple A game and not as to mention all those support studios that basically helped 899 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.599 them as well. So yeah, and then you got like what was the 900 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:19.400 core Barague I can't ever say his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 901 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.079 he was saying like, hey, listen, we made we made Gotta War 902 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:27.079 Ragnarok like two games into one because it would have taken ten years. We 903 01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.199 had, you know, we had Todd Howard saying that Elder Scrolls six might 904 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:35.039 be his last game. Like, people don't understand how long it takes to 905 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.199 make a game like you you have right here that I mean, I just 906 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:43.760 uh yeah, Matt Booty mentions says that right, He's like, people need 907 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.039 to kind of understand that deb cycles were like five to six years minimum. 908 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:52.199 Now like a game. Yeah, uh that makes I mean, that was 909 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:58.440 gonna be my point of There was a lot of discourse, which sometimes this 910 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.719 course is bad, but this was actually good discourse. Yes of are we 911 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:08.280 getting too much into a divide of we have indies and then everything else is 912 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:13.639 triple it and we don't have that middle ground anymore, and you're absolutely right, 913 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.719 Like do we need to start getting back to that because there was there 914 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:21.360 were people bringing up which I you know a lot of times we get so 915 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:23.719 sucked into this and we don't think about the humans on the other side. 916 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:30.840 And it's like, can you think about that's five it's been eight years working 917 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:37.280 on the same thing every single day to get one game out of your life. 918 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:42.519 Five to eight years one game and you're yeah, and you're talking like 919 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.880 you have so many lives behind that, like you said, like I think 920 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:52.880 to put it into perspective the when Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven was announced, when 921 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:58.920 it launched, Okay, I met someone, I got married, I had 922 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.159 a kid, I went through two cars, I got like five different jobs. 923 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.719 You know, life happened in that lifespan, Like you really think about, 924 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:11.920 like and that their production was, that was a long production. That 925 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.360 was a seven year production. And you have that booty saying like, oh 926 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.239 it's average, it's gonna take five and if one thing goes wrong one you 927 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:24.440 need one, you get one key person to leave your company, and it's 928 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.320 that set you back months. You know, like someone loses the keys the 929 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.880 USB drive, you know, that's that's a project just getting that back. 930 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.119 We don't and we don't know exactly what's going on, and we don't deserve 931 01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:39.639 to know what's going on, Like you know, we're not entitled to information. 932 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.320 And the problem is with the white people react. They make you not 933 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.559 want to give out that information exactly. I don't want to tell people where 934 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.719 my day job is because I'm afraid, so right, yeah, yeah, 935 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.079 like I you know, I don't want to. I don't want people. 936 01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.840 I mean the fact that, like, oh my god, the game. 937 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.440 I feel like people are starting to be a little bit more understanding. But 938 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.800 like even even now, people will announce some kind of delay, and if 939 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:06.679 it's some huge franchise, you're gonna get people with death threats, like it's 940 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.159 like the world ended because now, oh my god, I asked off from 941 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.239 work that day and and like now I can't have that in I'm like, 942 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:15.920 yo, dude, I get it. Some people you really have to put 943 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.639 in PTO and all that stuff, and that's a big deal, but you're 944 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:23.719 not thinking about those are humans on the other side, and the catastrophe that 945 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:28.039 they will deal with even bigger if that game comes out and it is in 946 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.639 terrible shape than if they waited another year to release that, But you don't 947 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:36.199 get to know when you should because people act like that, Yeah, it's 948 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:41.119 a it's a big, it's a double a sword. And like, as 949 01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.480 someone who's been trying to get into like the narrative design aspect of gaming, 950 01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.480 it's I keep that in mind of like, yeah, like it's it's it's 951 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:53.760 a rough job. It's it's not the roughest out there, but I know 952 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.280 there's plenty of jobs that aren't really hard. But like when you have when 953 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.079 you have people who are leaving social media because they get hate like that, 954 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.480 that I should tell you something like that that should really awaken something in your 955 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:09.440 mind, you know as a person, not even as a gamer, but 956 01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.559 just as a human being, to be like, you know what, maybe 957 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:17.840 we're taking it too far. Maybe gaming has gone too far, and you 958 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.159 know it's a far cry from what it used to be. Where a lot 959 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:26.519 of the retro guys will will understand where a game came out and it came 960 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:30.320 out, that was it. You didn't get no updates. You spend your 961 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:32.079 money on that game, your allowance, and that's what you got, So 962 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:36.920 be happy. Play through the whole damn thing. Exactly. Like if there 963 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.719 was something in there that makes it to where you can't progress, will I 964 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.880 don't know, figure it out, like, man, the phone number in 965 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:51.280 the back exactly call them spends I don't know how much money on collect calls 966 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:57.880 or whatever to get that get that resolved, or or buy the strategy guide 967 01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.440 or whatever it is. Yeah, Um, you know, it's just like 968 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.719 that's the thing. Is there used to be that middle ground of right, 969 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:09.760 the thhqs and and all that, like having your double A games, and 970 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.960 now you don't really have that anymore, or if you do, people lambastad 971 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.719 for being a double A game, and it's so don't we I think we're 972 01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:21.800 gonna have to get to the point where we need to accept that there are 973 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.440 going to be that that needs to come back, because if not, we're 974 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.199 gonna get more and more time between these huge games. Yeah, and like 975 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:35.320 that's the thing, um, A mutual of mine. Tony Planco. I 976 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:40.400 remember what he said to he said out last year, and I didn't agree 977 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:44.079 with him when he said this. He said that the Xbox series and the 978 01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.719 PlayStation five feel like a lost generation. And at first I was kind of 979 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:49.239 like, we are you talking about? And then like after a full year, 980 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:53.719 I thought about it. I looked at these games. I'm like, 981 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:59.719 Okay, we have three or four Triple A games from first party studios releasing 982 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.199 the year three or four. That's not a lot. That's not a lot 983 01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:10.079 of games. The fact that wee, yeah, yeah, there's we don't 984 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:14.280 know. We don't know anything about PlayStation going into twenty twenty four. We 985 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.399 don't know, we have no idea, and that's six months away. You 986 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.640 know, February. February will be busy with stuff like we always are, 987 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:28.399 but we don't know what's happening. You know, we can't. And you 988 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.359 start asking yourself, well, why did I buy this console in the first 989 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.439 place? You know, when we have these indie games, these indie darlings 990 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:44.800 out there that are so stylish and fantastic running on potatoes like that's that's kind 991 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.079 of why I really like the Steam Deck. And I think that also goes 992 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:51.319 back to Nintendo, the one brand that no one likes talking about. You 993 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:56.279 know, they love Nintendo, they do, but you look at what Nintendo 994 01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:58.760 is doing with the Switch, and here's the kingdom is for what it is, 995 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.199 the fantastic game. It should not exist on that platform. It should 996 01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.800 not exist on that using that tagware than the video tager chip. That's an 997 01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:11.720 arm processor that that's an old it's almost ten years old at this point, 998 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.319 and a video hasn't pulled the plug on that, which I'm surprised, but 999 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.359 you you have all these games that can run on that hardware. Why would 1000 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:25.279 Nintendo put the money to release a more powerful system when all it's gonna do 1001 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.880 is blow up the budget it's going to make companies have to put more work 1002 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.720 into a five year project and they're already granted, they're already taken like what 1003 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:39.159 ten years to make a Legends all there or something. But it's you know, 1004 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:43.880 having weak or hardware right now is not that big of a deal. 1005 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:48.199 We don't we really don't need a switch pro. We don't like they've they've 1006 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:51.000 shown us that. It makes me think of, well, why did we 1007 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:55.319 buy a PlayStation, Like remember all the games that came out, Okay, 1008 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.600 it's coming out for a PlayStation four NPS five. Well, we only bought 1009 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:03.439 a place because we needed it for some reason. Well, yeah, because 1010 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.640 you thought, right role You're like, oh man, we're gonna get that 1011 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:11.000 step up, right, and then all in the pandemic. I think that 1012 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.800 the pandemic hadn't happened, I think we would have bounced into the PS five 1013 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:19.079 and series a lot faster. Yeah, they had to regress to putting God 1014 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:24.800 of Ore and Horizon Forbidden West on PS four because they're like, we can't 1015 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:29.920 even get people to buy this system because scalpers are freaking eating it alive. 1016 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:33.239 And then there's distribution problems because of the pandemic, and we're only selling it 1017 01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:38.239 on our website, like and every time we put on our website it crashes. 1018 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:43.079 Like at some point, you know, Microsoft might have been the smartest 1019 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.680 person out there of having the series s because they could actually put that in 1020 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.920 the store it was around. People didn't buy it for the most part because 1021 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:56.600 you know, it's seen as the lesser of the two. But people are 1022 01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.279 buying that thing, right. You tie that with gamepath us and it's it's 1023 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.960 a it's a big money saver for people that were going through issues in the 1024 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:10.920 pandemic and even now, you know, the parents just buy a game system 1025 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:14.239 for their kids. I almost thought about it when when my daughter was, 1026 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.720 yeah, really getting into games. She she's kind of more of like the 1027 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:23.279 i'll play roadblocks with my friends or do a lot, you know, to 1028 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.000 get that age. They just want to do stuff with their friends, and 1029 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:30.520 then my thing is as a reviewer or as somebody that's a journalists. Gaming 1030 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.399 has kind of always been the oh, it's my other job. So I'm 1031 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.479 always stuck having to do something with the system. So there's been a few 1032 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:41.000 times where I got to play things with her, and and a lot of 1033 01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.800 times I can't because I'm I'm having to use it for something. But it 1034 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.760 does the series US does work for what it was intended, But it's not 1035 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:50.880 the next end console, right, It's not the thing that it's supposed to 1036 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:56.920 push us forward, and I do. I did see Tony's point back then. 1037 01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:00.479 It's funny because he just posted like an artic that yesterday about how oh 1038 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:06.439 now they are starting the next sin so ny there after everything that was shown 1039 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:10.079 off on Summer Game Vest and I agree, right, it just took time 1040 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:15.199 to get out of the pandemic stuff. He used the remote work thing and 1041 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.439 and get in a better quality of life situation for a lot of people. 1042 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:21.159 It sucks that all these people are like being demanded to go back to the 1043 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:27.399 office. Yeah, I think sucks as well, because it's like their life 1044 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.800 is already tied to this game for all this time for them to make a 1045 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.800 living, and then you're going to force them to be in an even worst 1046 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.840 situation, like when when now they have to do a commute that they didn't 1047 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:41.800 have to, or they have to you know, be even more away from 1048 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:45.239 their family than they than they maybe already are. Like it's just that's that's 1049 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:49.079 the thing we don't think about, that human size. So perhaps embracing the 1050 01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:56.159 double a's or the indies are already expanding. We're seeing the Indians rotating towards 1051 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:02.359 PS one, PS two look kind of games like I think people also need 1052 01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:09.520 to understand that because of how long quadruple as and triple as take to make, 1053 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.000 we're gonna have to start embrace another thing that Tony was always up. 1054 01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.000 I'm not buying I'm not buying these consoles to play indie games, you know, 1055 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:23.760 And then that's fair, that's what. But I do think we need 1056 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:28.920 to embrace that because it's like indies is where you see the innovation. Indies 1057 01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:32.560 is where you see a lot of things that will eventually go into year Triple 1058 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.920 A. Yeah, I um, when I went to Packs is a couple 1059 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.560 of years ago. Um, it was an eye opening experience as a as 1060 01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:45.319 a journalist to cover the indie games because I remember it was twenty twenty two 1061 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.279 at the Boston Convention Center. It wasn't it wasn't a big year. It 1062 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:50.439 was not a big year. There was not a lot of Triple A games 1063 01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:56.039 there, if any real with there was any, Um, it was all 1064 01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:59.520 indie games. It was all you know, Double A and indie titles and 1065 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:02.560 studio. But I remember they had this one little booth or kind of section 1066 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:06.439 on the floor and it was just these little stations that one or two people 1067 01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:11.039 could play games at. And I was talking to the developers of these games, 1068 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:15.960 and these are people who put their lives into these games. The game 1069 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:20.079 to Werve from Half Human Games, the creator there, I can't remember his 1070 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.560 name without of my head, but he was He was just fantastic to talk 1071 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.640 to. He was a great person. And it was a two guys studio, 1072 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:30.880 two guy project. It was done on Kickstarter, so you know it's 1073 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:35.199 backed by people who believe in this project, and it was just kind of 1074 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:40.720 phenomenal to talk to him and understand what it's like working as as just the 1075 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:45.560 two person team, like the marketing behind it, the getting it officiated and 1076 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.920 put through, like the Xbox service and then the PlayStation service and Steam and 1077 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:53.319 all these places. And it's an indie game. It's a fantastic little game. 1078 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:57.560 It's like a mix of those, like a tower defense game meets like, 1079 01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:00.199 yeah, it's a tower defense where you're ground and you're putting down traps 1080 01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.399 and you're trying to organize things to kill all your enemies before they get to 1081 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:06.359 the end kill you. And it's it's a neat little game. I love 1082 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:10.079 stuff like that, But we need to, like we need to embrace these 1083 01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:13.600 games. We need to because they're inspired by some of the biggest stuff, 1084 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.680 like Tunic was inspired by Dark Souls and Legend of Zelda. Like people like, 1085 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:18.199 oh, I want to play a game like this, and I'm like 1086 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:20.600 telling them, like, yes, there's an indie game that's like that. 1087 01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:25.960 There's there's this game that's inspired by Metroid. You should try this. Ori 1088 01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:29.840 was an indie game. You should try Ori. I don't want to, 1089 01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:32.479 Okay, well, then you should try Bloodstained. If you're like Castlevania, 1090 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.159 I don't. I don't want to. I want to play Castlevania, and 1091 01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:42.239 then you realize it's all about the name. It's all about yeah, and 1092 01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:46.119 it's kind of like, you know, Castlevania has a licensing fee, so 1093 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:50.840 you know, Castlevania onto the title card of any game, that price just 1094 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:55.880 went up thirty bucks. Yeah, I mean the Dead Cells d'alc right, 1095 01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.119 they had they put Castlevania in there and they got to charge you. Oh 1096 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.000 yeah, but that that didn't you know that that was a awesome add on, 1097 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:08.279 but that was negotiated like crazy and Dead Cells. If that was like 1098 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:12.000 the first Cassimnia would have never done it, or like Economy would never send 1099 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:16.079 the licensing fee for that. If it was like the first year Dead Cells 1100 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:18.960 came out when it was still like early access, it had never happened. 1101 01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:23.359 And the fact that so many people picked up and now that game's everywhere that 1102 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.439 came runs on my phone. But that's what's incredible. It's like it's not 1103 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.199 this like hog of a game where you need to have this great setup for 1104 01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:35.920 whatever. You could play it on anything and it's a great game and if 1105 01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:42.439 and and you can just enjoy it as like learning that genre, because then 1106 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.560 what happens Hades comes out and it's like, oh my god, Oh I 1107 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:50.560 didn't know why I liked the roguelikes before. And I'm one of those people 1108 01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:54.199 right that I just didn't lack the fact of Okay, I'm just doing this 1109 01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.880 game over and over and trying it. And then when I played Hades, 1110 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.760 I got it right cool and and now I kind of appreciate ate that genre. 1111 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:04.279 But that's the thing, is like sometimes just blocking yourself out to the 1112 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.920 fact that it's not this this huge, humongous game. It's like, this 1113 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:14.199 is why I feel like both Sony Sony does this as well, that I 1114 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.920 give them both credit wealth position and Xbox and Bryce indies in their own way. 1115 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:24.039 But this is why Xbox has that ideat Xbox thing because they know that 1116 01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:30.560 when we're talking about years down the line, what's gonna keep game Pass going 1117 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:34.720 aside from these these games that they eventually hopefully you're going to get in some 1118 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:40.159 kind of dominant order, is these indie titles that are going to keep growing. 1119 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.640 So just just start learning because that's what's gonna be coming. And that's 1120 01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.520 to mention that, like, the more you support the indie game market them 1121 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:54.359 you get more games. Yeah, Like that's the thing that that really makes 1122 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.880 the most sense out of this. You support the indie studio, right, 1123 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.840 let's say, well, your spirit farther. I don't remember the company that 1124 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.079 made it, but they made that one game was on game Pass the Great 1125 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:09.680 and now they're making what thirty three immorals. Yeah, oh my god, 1126 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:13.560 that looks awesome. Like I had, I had no interest in it until 1127 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.439 I saw like Phil playing it with the team. I was like, Okay, 1128 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:20.199 no, if this is actually really cool, but like that's an indie 1129 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:25.039 game, like no one would have might let that game would never have happened 1130 01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:30.399 if Spirit Father didn't come out and people didn't like pick up on that game 1131 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:32.960 and learn of it through game Pass, an Idea, Xbox and all that 1132 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:36.720 stuff. It's you need to kind of support the indie market because the other 1133 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:40.279 thing, too, is that we need to realize is that the Triple A 1134 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:45.520 gaming market people are leaving it like in droves. Yeah, it's also hard 1135 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:49.039 for you to get from. You gotta start somewhere, right, You got 1136 01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:54.479 to start exactly, so for you to get to that Triple A studio is 1137 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:59.319 already so difficult. M You know, you gotta support the indies because they're 1138 01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.520 the ones that are going to keep the thing going. And then also when 1139 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:06.840 those people leave and they start, they spent off their own studio. Most 1140 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.640 of them, they have to start making an any game right to make money. 1141 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:15.000 Yeah, I was. And it's funny because so I mentioned before, 1142 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:17.800 I want to get the narrative design, and I've talked to a lot of 1143 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:23.199 major developers and like how to get into that whole market area, and they 1144 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:26.479 say that one of the biggest things you can do is go to GitHub and 1145 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.800 they have like game jams and they say, like, find a game jam 1146 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:31.960 that needs a writer and do it, because that's how you start. You 1147 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:36.439 need to understand the process. You need to understand the concept of writing and 1148 01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.840 putting something out there and putting the work in because when I was when I 1149 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:45.119 was younger, I always thought the world like the world owed me something, 1150 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.119 and I was like a pos teenager, like, oh I deserve this, 1151 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.439 So no, you don't. I don't deserve anything. You get to work 1152 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:56.720 for what you want, and you want to be a game dev. If 1153 01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.159 you want to work anything you want, you have to really work for it. 1154 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.800 And no company is willing to put their money on something where someone doesn't 1155 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:08.640 know what they're doing or they've ever worked on it before, So you know 1156 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.319 it sucks, but you have to pay your dues. You know, I 1157 01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.239 did freelance writing for a long time. I wrote a lot about games, 1158 01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.520 and I put my work into it and I got the job I have now 1159 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:25.399 because of it. And you know, you're gonna have people at Todd Howard 1160 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:29.319 leave. He said it. They can't, even though he looks like he 1161 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.439 hasn't aged, and they put him like a cryotube nine months out of the 1162 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:39.039 year like he's he Eventually he's gonna leave. These great minds that we have 1163 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.039 behind the most the most awesome modern games we have, they're gonna leave, 1164 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:45.600 and they're good. We need people to fulfill their shoes. And you know 1165 01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:49.600 that that starts from the bottom. That starts from the bottom completely. And 1166 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:56.800 if we support these indie games, these smaller studios, who knows the guy 1167 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:00.119 who made some of the best smaller the guy's super giant. I don't think 1168 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.960 I've played a bad game from them. Who knows. If you give these 1169 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:09.000 guys makind of starting as a game journalist, right, look at Gregor So 1170 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:13.760 what he's been able to do over there? Um Gary Woodah, Yeah, 1171 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:16.640 huge writer. He was, he was he was a game journalist. He 1172 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:23.039 he was writing a bad video games now Star Wars, writing Rogue one. 1173 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:26.439 I mean, for god's sakes, like you look at where a lot of 1174 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:29.800 these people started, and like, if that doesn't motivate you, I don't 1175 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:34.359 know what does right? Like and I think everyone should. Uh when when 1176 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:39.239 I not even just support indie games, but support yourself. You know, 1177 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.680 dude, you would do something right if it's not by by yourself at least, 1178 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.560 Like just pick up a game pass is full of indie games. Just 1179 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:51.239 pick one exactly. You're paying your ten or fifteen dollars a month, pick 1180 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:56.359 something. Yeah, like even if you play for ten minutes, that's ten 1181 01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.560 minutes longer than someone else like gave it attention. Look, I'm not gonna 1182 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:04.439 lie. There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff on Steam that is 1183 01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:11.640 not great. Okay. They they have a like minimum level one hundred dollars 1184 01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:15.199 fee or whatever that you gotta pay to get, Like that's all you gotta 1185 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.600 do. You gotta pay that, and then you can put your game on 1186 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:21.680 there like it's like and then even you go on to itch or whatever, 1187 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:26.960 you don't have to pay anything so it's if we're gonna go down to that 1188 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.359 level, then yeah, sure you're gonna find stuff that's not great, but 1189 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:34.640 that does not that doesn't Maybe that's the base level of what indie gaming is 1190 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.119 right now. There's a lot of people by man all this indie gaming stuff. 1191 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.279 It's not really indie games anymore. You got all these people supporting it 1192 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.279 and whatever. But it's like, if that's the base level, the stuff 1193 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:48.880 that you see on game Pass, stuff you see on PS plus, the 1194 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:53.680 stuff you see that's like usually the top part of Steam or whatever that's supposed 1195 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:58.560 to being curated. That stuff's been fled through with reviews and everything like that. 1196 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.239 You know you're going to get something good. You just give it, 1197 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.359 give it that time. You never know. It could absolutely surprise. You 1198 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:09.680 give a game ten minutes. Give it ten minutes. That's all the devs 1199 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.119 want. If you don't like it, then you know you don't like it. 1200 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:15.119 That that's not a big deal. That's the beauty of those services. 1201 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.520 You don't have to keep playing it. You can you can let it go 1202 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:21.359 and play something else. Uh, since we're on that topic, you know 1203 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:28.239 they there's there's a feeling in or well Phil was asked, you know, 1204 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.399 there was a lot of questions as I put in that list of stuff, 1205 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:35.479 but Phil was asked a question that I felt was very interesting because we see 1206 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:41.199 how Sony and an Xbox differ on what they do with game Pass. What 1207 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:44.960 did you do with PS plus? What did you with PC gaming? Right? 1208 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.840 And Phil was asked what is your take on PC gaming? He said, 1209 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.560 well, PC gaming is on a window for us, it's a market 1210 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:55.640 that we want to bring our games to day one. And then you listen 1211 01:23:55.680 --> 01:24:00.479 to Jim Ryan and Herman Holst and they're saying, well number one for us 1212 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:04.560 as Poystation Pointation five, that's what we care about those PC games. They'll 1213 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.359 come out a year or two whatever later, and you guys can buy them 1214 01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:12.840 on PC if you want, but we're going to make sure our PS five 1215 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:16.239 gamers get fed or whatever first, which that's fair as well, right, 1216 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:21.159 And then psbus does not when to put their big games day one as XBOS 1217 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:27.319 does. So do you when you see that? Like I guess obviously both 1218 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.359 of them prove that both of them work in a way, But do you 1219 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.960 have a preference? Do you think one is better than the other, Like 1220 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:38.159 going long term, looking at things. Well, I'm primarily a PC guy 1221 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:42.840 these days, so if a game's come to the PC, that's better for 1222 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:47.319 me. That's better for me. Um. I think Sony can do whatever 1223 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.479 they want. They're in the hardware game in a different way. I remember 1224 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:58.760 an interview with Major Nelson ten years ago when PC market, when the PC 1225 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:02.079 gaming space was like on the rise, like it was still an its infancy, 1226 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.359 but was getting bigger. And Microsoft saw like, hey, listen, 1227 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:09.319 we need to need to capture that because no one else is UM and they 1228 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:13.960 don't want Apple to beat them to it. So UM when they in an 1229 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:16.399 interview with Major Nelson, someone asked him, oh, so what about the 1230 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:19.840 PC market? And Major Nelson said, oh, you mean our other console? 1231 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:25.199 Like that that said to me, like, okay, they're serious. 1232 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.279 They're serious about delivering on the PC market. And the fact is that, 1233 01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:34.600 like the PC market has grown exponentially, it is gigantic now. It's it's 1234 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:40.159 too hard to you can't ignore it. Um, what's Sony. It's really 1235 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.640 interesting because consoles don't make a lot of money. They don't They make about 1236 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:48.199 maybe forty dollars of problem, and they have to sell it at a loss 1237 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:53.880 because if not. It's a ridiculous Yeah, the expense for everybody, so 1238 01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:57.520 they have to they have to sell it on to sell it the software and 1239 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.079 that that's kind of the big difference here is that Sony is selling you the 1240 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:04.119 console. They're also selling you the software. They're also selling you the controllers, 1241 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.760 they're selling you the other parts of the peripherals, the selling you the 1242 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.960 PlayStation VR, the selling of the games of the VR. And they're saying 1243 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.640 no to the PC market because who gets a cut of that someone else? 1244 01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:21.399 Right, Valve gets a cut of the money, or Epic gets a cut 1245 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:25.640 of money, although that as much, or Microsoft gets a cut of the 1246 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.239 money. So they don't want to do that. They they're Sonys. As 1247 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:31.359 much as I do like all these companies a lot, Sony is probably the 1248 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:36.199 most nefarious of them all because they don't they don't want people to go outside 1249 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:41.239 there their walled garden. They don't want people to see, you know, 1250 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.319 these games running super high fidelity on a PC because they're like, oh, 1251 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.319 that means they don't want you to know the grass greener on the other side, 1252 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.399 Yeah, yeah, that's not always the case, you know, with 1253 01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:54.159 Last of Us on PC. You want to talk about that one, but 1254 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:59.560 but it's it's very like I played Spider Man on PC. It was like 1255 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.399 night and day difference. I'm telling you night and day difference from from the 1256 01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:06.680 PlayStation five to PC. But not everyone has my PC building. That's kind 1257 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:11.920 of like the big downfall. I don't think it hurts Sony if they put 1258 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.520 their games on day one on PC as well, you know, because I'm 1259 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.720 not pushing a physical media. You know, they can they could have a 1260 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:23.159 separate contract with team or whatever. I don't know the semantic spind and I 1261 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.880 can pretend I do, but it's as a gamer who plays most PC, 1262 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.119 is kind of upsetting to see them go that route because the PlayStation five, 1263 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:34.399 so much as I like it, is weaker hardware to me, so I'm 1264 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:39.800 not getting the best experience. And that's kind of like why I had Final 1265 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:42.159 Fantasy sixteen on the back, because I was kind of like, Okay, 1266 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:45.119 I want to play it on the best hardware, and the best hardware that 1267 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:49.840 I own is not the PlayStation five. It's not as much as we'd love 1268 01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:55.560 to say it is. It's not my PC is way both PCs are way 1269 01:27:55.600 --> 01:28:00.760 better than it, and you know, I Microsoft understands that, and they're 1270 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.000 like, you know, we want to give people choice because that's what their 1271 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:06.760 thing is. They they had their walled garden with the Xbox One, and 1272 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:12.359 I was I was a beta and alpha tester for that console. It was 1273 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.560 it was very walled off until Phil Spencer came in and he was like, 1274 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:20.199 no, let's open the gates. Let's let's do the total opposite is currently 1275 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:25.239 what we're doing is not working, and Sony really want big with the PlayStation 1276 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:29.840 before, and now we're seeing Sony kind of backstep and they're acting like they 1277 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.920 did when the PlayStation three came out, where oh the price tags not so 1278 01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:38.359 bad. Oh you know, this isn't so bad, this is good to 1279 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:42.800 getting a little cocky. So yeah, I think Microsoft is playing their cards 1280 01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.079 right, and I think Nintendo is just in the background, like just counting 1281 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:46.920 money and be like, oh, what's up now? All right, and 1282 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:49.079 I don't worry now, you guys find it out though. I mean, 1283 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:54.760 look, Nintendo is the reason the Steam Deck and the rage ally and all 1284 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:59.159 of that stuff exists, right, the reason why Sony has that project que 1285 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:04.199 thing where you can remote play it or whatever. Like I don't I mean 1286 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:08.920 not to much exact thing looks really stupid. It looks like basically, you 1287 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:13.039 st if that's really what it's going to look like, you already have that. 1288 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:17.319 You're selling people backbone controller with your your PS five thing. They're like, 1289 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:21.840 what are you doing? I hope that's seriously a concept because holy crap, 1290 01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:27.199 I meaning Sony. It's not that, but that's the thing. It's 1291 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.680 like, um, it's like one step forward, two steps back with Sony. 1292 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.479 Right. They feel like they can get away with it because where they 1293 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:38.800 are right and then exactly and like the whole their whole version of PlayStation Plus 1294 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.399 with the three tiers or the Essentials or whatever they call it. Yeah, 1295 01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:45.399 I'm just like this is listen, I'm in this space. I'm I am 1296 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:49.960 terminally online. I get it. Yeah, like we get it. We 1297 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:55.079 understand how this works. But you look at like the average person and all 1298 01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:58.680 this is done is like this is done to confuse the average camera, like 1299 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.039 the average person who is an online who doesn't know the ins and out, 1300 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.760 so you need to talk to someone to turn the brightness up on their phone 1301 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:10.399 because they don't know how to do it. Like it's they're kind of like 1302 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:14.840 it's it's very nefarious. And meanwhile, you have Microsoft. It's just like, 1303 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:16.840 give us fifteen dollars, just play everywhere. We don't care. You 1304 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.479 know, we want you to play everywhere. We will talk about how much 1305 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.359 you want you to play every where. Sony's kind of like, yeah, 1306 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:28.439 you can stream. Oh now we're gonna make a big deal about streaming all 1307 01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:32.520 of a sudden, because it's it's possibly causing this deal that we don't want 1308 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:38.039 to happen to be a problem. And and like, oh well, Microsoft's 1309 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.840 pushing it, so we want to do our own cloud thing because right now 1310 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:45.399 we're having to pay Microsoft to do our cloud for us. Yeah, like 1311 01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.560 I get it, I get it. But it's like, you know, 1312 01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:53.680 you guys had cloud first, right, If you guys would have actually gone 1313 01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:58.319 after that, you could have been sitting pretty where Microsoft is once again behind 1314 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:03.039 you. But that's the thing is I think most of the time, Microsoft, 1315 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.760 I feel like has been behind right because if you think about what they 1316 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:11.119 want to do with Xbox One, always online, a lot of stuff, 1317 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:15.079 well we're kind of always online right now. A lot of games have to 1318 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.159 be always online. Now they're trying to push into like play everywhere thing, 1319 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:21.000 and now it's funny. He's like, oh, you know what, I 1320 01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:25.680 think we kind of need to do that too, Like it's yeah, it's 1321 01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:30.760 it's a it's two mentalities fighting each other. Um, there's a there's this 1322 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:34.119 thing called this is constant of do you know the game you're playing? And 1323 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:40.039 that's what these these businesses are playing. They're playing two different games themselves. 1324 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:43.680 There's the finite game and the infinite game. And the finite game is when 1325 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.680 you have two teams who are competing aust each other that they know the rules, 1326 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.439 they know that there's a definite winner and there's a definite loser. There's 1327 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:55.640 the the finite game. That's finite game. Then you have the infinite game, 1328 01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:59.359 which is the goal for that is just to stay in business. Uh. 1329 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:04.680 Microsoft has learned that they've learned that the goal isn't to beat the other 1330 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:10.199 person. The goal is to stay in business. And Sony is playing it 1331 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.359 where it's like, Okay, we know we have the same business, but 1332 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:15.239 we really want to beat them, Like that's not really what we want to 1333 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.239 do, but we want to. So they're trying all these different things to 1334 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.199 try to beat the competition and it's not working out that well. You know. 1335 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.319 I mean it's working out now, but we're starting to see that. 1336 01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.119 Yeah. And that's the thing. It's kind of like Death of a Thousand 1337 01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:32.239 cuts with them right now. It's just like they got a lot of people 1338 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:36.800 on board with the hardware and the promises like Ratchet and Clank and Spider Man 1339 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:40.479 and all those games that look really good. I'm going to play them. 1340 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:45.279 I'm going to. But when I'm done with those games, am I gonna 1341 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:49.720 keep the PlayStation from collecting dust? That's the big thing. Microsoft is able 1342 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:53.960 to keep people going, you know, because of their third party support and 1343 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:58.520 game Pass, which is super easy to use and a super easy concept to 1344 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.399 understand. They know that, like they know that there's no finish line. 1345 01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:05.840 That's what it is. There's none there's no finish line. But and here's 1346 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:10.119 the genius by the whole thing is that Microsoft knows that they understood that years 1347 01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:14.560 ago, and that was it was a big thing when Windows eight came out 1348 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:16.960 and it didn't do too hot. So they're like, okay, we gotta 1349 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.520 jumped the Windows ten. That the jump instantly because they knew it just wasn't 1350 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:25.239 going to work and didn't. And Bomber left and all these people left, 1351 01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:29.880 a big, big exit of a lot of major names, and meanwhile, 1352 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:31.319 Sonny was kind of like sitting on their laurels and going like, oh, 1353 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.920 we don't you know, we don't have to worry about anything because they're in 1354 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.680 this array. And then they collected themselves and realized, Okay, here's our 1355 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:41.199 new approach. Instead of being the world garden, we're gonna give open access 1356 01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:44.560 to everyone. We're gonna have games everywhere. It's going to hit us, 1357 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:46.880 but it's not about the short games, about the long game. You know 1358 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:50.399 where we're going to be in ten years, and Sony it has been and 1359 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:57.039 it's very obvious. Sony has been playing the immediate short term game and now 1360 01:33:57.159 --> 01:33:59.960 it come in and Marcrosot was making it easy for them as well to play 1361 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.359 the immediate short pining. It was like, oh, we can just keep 1362 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:06.079 doing gotcha's because you keep screwing yourself. And then oh, well, while 1363 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:11.560 y'all are developing this thing over here, we're kicking your butt. And they 1364 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:16.359 didn't really see to be fairer to PlayStation. They probably didn't think that this 1365 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:21.199 was going to work right. Yea, even though Microsoft has what you call 1366 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:27.479 infinite resources, they probably felt like, Okay, eventually the game Pass subs 1367 01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.920 are going to hit a wall. We're going to start making it to where 1368 01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:34.279 they can't get the big game. So people are not gonna keep subscribing to 1369 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:38.600 this thing. Microsoft is going to stop putting money into it, and eventually 1370 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.920 they're gonna have to cave the service. Right, And then all of a 1371 01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.279 sudden, oh wait, this is actually taking off. Maybe we need to 1372 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:49.600 do something about it. And here comes PS plus right, And then the 1373 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:55.560 thing is that Microsoft turned it on his head again with the Idea Xbox thing 1374 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:59.880 because they're like, we can't fight Sony, but they could, but what's 1375 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:03.359 a point of wasting money to outbid Sony on getting a third party onto a 1376 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:08.520 system that the third party really doesn't want to do because they're not gonna buy 1377 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:12.119 the game, They're just gonna play it on game Pass and then they're done 1378 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:15.600 with it. Right. So they have this like pipeline that keeps giving them 1379 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:19.800 games to put on game Pass, Like it's like it's this ingenious thing that 1380 01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:24.079 I actually didn't really think about it until last year of like, wow, 1381 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:28.920 if you really think about how many games they have in that program and how 1382 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:32.359 many they keep putting in. They can literally just keep putting games like, 1383 01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:36.119 look, they're not the ones that catch your eye if you're a casual gamer 1384 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:40.800 or whatever, but they fill up the thing. You can say, oh 1385 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:45.079 man, we have four hundred games or whatever, and it's not four hundred 1386 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.119 old ass games from the PS two PS three ear which that really does have 1387 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:53.239 a finite cap on it because talking about old graphics, you're talking about, 1388 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:56.119 you know, things that people are like, oh man, I don't want 1389 01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:58.479 to go back and play, right, Well, why are they remaking all 1390 01:35:58.479 --> 01:36:01.760 these games? People don't want to go as much as how awesome Final Fantasy 1391 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.720 seven is, don't want to go back to the PS one and play. 1392 01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:11.680 Why are they putting it on on a mobile version of that that looks cooler? 1393 01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:16.920 Because people want to play the thing that looks cool. So yes, 1394 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:20.159 they got push their hardware. That's what it is. They got to push 1395 01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:26.199 their hardware, and it's that that's kind of the beauty of hole that. 1396 01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:30.600 So this back and forth is like you have Microsoft of the hands and multiple 1397 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:34.399 pots, and Sonny wants you to believe that they do too, but it's 1398 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:39.880 really one track for them, and it's the place they're starting to get into 1399 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:42.680 the whole Oh well, now we got into the live service thing. Which 1400 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:47.520 that's the thing that I think could be a real big turner of dude, 1401 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.159 if those live service games go the way of some other live service games have 1402 01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:57.039 been going, if they could really go the other way quickly. And the 1403 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:02.279 thing is that, um, the live service game style is a matured it's 1404 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:08.840 a mature genre. That's it. You have to the amount of breaking in 1405 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:12.720 you have to do. Once again, it's a diffusion of innovation. Who 1406 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:15.880 you got to get to hit that market penetration of fifteen to thirty percent? 1407 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:19.640 Who are you getting? You're not gonna get the early adopters because they already 1408 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:23.760 invested all that time into other games of Fortnite. How are you going to 1409 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:27.319 get the Fortnite gamers off? You're not pulling them from their game, they 1410 01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:30.079 already have sunken cost How you get the World Warclve gamers, the Final Fantasy 1411 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:34.920 fourteen gamers, the Destiny players. Yeah, you got Bungee And are you 1412 01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:39.960 going to get Bungee to people to get off Destiny to start playing Marathon? 1413 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:45.000 Yeah? And from what I understand, Destiny too is kind of in a 1414 01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:50.119 rough place content wise, because Bungee's A team was taken off and this has 1415 01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:56.560 coming to me through very legitimate sources. Bungee's A team has been pulled off 1416 01:37:56.800 --> 01:38:00.920 of Destiny and they've been put on to Marathon. So you're competing with yourself 1417 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:06.960 now, like what, you're going to release ten live service games between now 1418 01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:11.439 and I think it's like now in like two years from now or something like 1419 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:15.159 that. I don't remember three ye two to three years ten to twelve live 1420 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:20.199 service games, and you expect you're competing with yourself. You're giving people way 1421 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:23.439 too much choice. And this choice is a good thing, but when you 1422 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:28.600 give too much choice, you get choice paralysis. And you have one company 1423 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.279 that's supposedly looking over everything, and it's like, do you really want just 1424 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:39.359 one company looking over eGain because they have a certain style of live service game 1425 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:43.119 that may not work for everybody. If you try to start every live service 1426 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.479 game you have into that, it's not going to do right either. And 1427 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:50.640 the things that people are so limited on time and your audience that has lifted 1428 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:55.079 you up so far, they're older now. This is the one thing Blizard 1429 01:38:55.239 --> 01:39:00.319 understood with World to Warcraft. Their user base is older now that people who 1430 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.960 played it back in two thousand and four when it first launch. I'm gonna 1431 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.880 be thirty seven. Like, I don't. I don't have the time I 1432 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:12.359 used to have when I was, you know, nineteen playing that game. 1433 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:15.159 I don't. If I play it, I'm playing maybe a couple of hours 1434 01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:18.520 a week if that. But besides that, like oh Diabo four came out, 1435 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:23.880 seasons haven't started, but there's a lot of controversy behind it already about 1436 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:29.680 how they're going to implement how this system works. And I can't. I 1437 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.479 can't put time into filling out a battle pass for all these games. I 1438 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:36.800 have to pick one. Like not so much. You're paying for all of 1439 01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:41.159 them as well, Yeah yeah, like yeah, sure, oh ten dollars 1440 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:43.720 year, ten dollars. There. It doesn't seem like a big deal because 1441 01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:47.119 I'm older and I have money now. But you have these people who are 1442 01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:51.279 becoming they're younger, and they're getting into modern gaming. They might have time, 1443 01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:56.479 but they don't have money, so what do you know. That's the 1444 01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:59.479 problem we're getting with the streaming services as well. It's starting to get to 1445 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:01.920 the point where it's like, uh, yeah, people don't want to keep 1446 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.119 paying more and more prices for the amount of content that you're giving, and 1447 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:09.880 then when you try to overproduce the content, guess what you have to do 1448 01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:14.399 start having to pull it off. So that's the thing with gaming is then 1449 01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:17.600 what ends up happening. They end up killing the live service game because they 1450 01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:21.199 can't afford to keep it running with the amount of the small amount of people 1451 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:27.199 that are playing it. And that's the thing is also I think it makes 1452 01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:32.279 the point of why Microsoft is doing their thing of saying, look, we 1453 01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:36.439 can make we could take forever trying to make our own games, or we 1454 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:44.560 can come and buy Activision Blizzard and get an easier ticket into places where we 1455 01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:49.600 aren't strong. And and you know right now the FCC's trying to block the 1456 01:40:50.399 --> 01:40:56.319 deal with that injunction or whatever. Like where do you sit on that deal? 1457 01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.600 Do you think? Are you? Are you in that state of like 1458 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:03.159 I'm worried? Oh my god, man. I know people who work for 1459 01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:09.760 Blizzard like personally, and I worked for Microsoft. So the thing is with 1460 01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:15.000 me is that Microsoft is very serious about their work ethic when it comes to 1461 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.960 having a positive work environment. As we all know, Activision did have some 1462 01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:25.880 trouble, you know with Activision Blizzard had some trouble with sexual assault and allegations 1463 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.760 and those terrible stories that came out about two years ago. I want to 1464 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:35.199 say it's been and when I read those stories and like my heart sank. 1465 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:40.600 It was very hard to root for this company, a company that I loved 1466 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:45.560 and spent most of my life with. And what I know, what I 1467 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:49.600 know about Microsoft, and I know like if they were absorbed, the humanity 1468 01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:54.560 aspect would go up so much more because I was when I worked for Microsoft, 1469 01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:58.720 there was a sexual allegation case that happened while I worked there with a 1470 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.640 manager that I had, and they take that super seriously. I Am talking 1471 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:09.199 secret meetings, talking to lawyers, the whole nine. They take it super 1472 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:14.399 seriously. They do not mess around with that. So I don't care that 1473 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.239 I really when it comes to major corporations. The only thing I'm scared about 1474 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.159 is that if they do get absorbed, that a lot of people will lose 1475 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:26.479 their job because the jobs that they have would be they wouldn't be relevant anymore 1476 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:30.199 because the business has absorbed the other, which is a thing that does happen. 1477 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:35.319 That's my only worry. I want people to have a positive work environment, 1478 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.479 and I know Microsoft can give it to them. On the other hand, 1479 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:42.279 I don't want people to get fired if their job is no longer needed. 1480 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:47.119 But I think that assign I think just on the humanity aspect I want 1481 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:51.079 to go through. I don't. I don't care about Diablo and game Bess. 1482 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:55.159 I don't care about what the warcraft on Xbox I don't. I don't 1483 01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:59.279 care about any of that stuff. I just I want I think. I 1484 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:01.000 don't like Bobby Cootic. I don't like him at all. I think he's 1485 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:04.359 a terrible human being. I want to know who does I don't. I 1486 01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:10.479 don't think the variety apparently or somebody, yeah, whoever wrote that article two 1487 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:14.680 weeks ago. Um, I think it's a terrible human being. If there's 1488 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.680 one thing we'd all agree on, it's that, um And I don't want 1489 01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:19.880 to see him employed. I don't want to see him in charge of people 1490 01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:25.119 anymore. And that's the only way that is, that's the only way to 1491 01:43:25.159 --> 01:43:28.359 do it, because that guy's not leaving him less someone hires someone. But 1492 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:33.960 like it's that's that's my take from the whole case, because I otherwise I 1493 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:39.119 don't care. Like I got no skim in that game yeah, I mean 1494 01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:43.399 I think it would be I personally don't like the games that I like from 1495 01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:46.199 Activision. I don't know if they're gonna like Crash will probably keep going and 1496 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:51.439 so will Spiral because we know Phil Spencer's mentioned that. Um, I'm one 1497 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:55.520 of those people it likes. I love guitar hero and rock band Like. 1498 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:58.319 I don't know that Philli Spencer's gonna bring that back because I really don't know 1499 01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:00.680 what you could do with that at this point. Um, that's gonna make 1500 01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:04.920 it relevant for people, you know, of of my daughter's age and forward. 1501 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:10.760 But I just want to see those studios separate and not only work on 1502 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:14.560 call of duty and get to do stuff that they want to do exactly have 1503 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:17.960 the freedom that that you're gonna you see, But that's the and all these 1504 01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:21.359 other studios like an Exile getting to work on that Clock Revolution game, it 1505 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:27.399 looks amazing, Like you can you imagine Toyster Bob getting to work on maybe 1506 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.640 something that's not Crash or Spiral like their own thing like that would be amazing, 1507 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:35.199 you know. So Yeah, Microsoft has the bones of a company that 1508 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:43.680 wants to produce good games and not to us workers and not create just Cold 1509 01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:47.800 Duty twenty twenty three. Yeah, exactly, And I mean just just because 1510 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:51.600 we're on that stuffing just really quick, any thoughts on the embracere thing like 1511 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:55.359 that. That just made me so sad for everybody that works there. Yeah. 1512 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:59.439 Yeah, it's never a good thing when the media outlets in the media 1513 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:04.479 companies start consolidating their reporters um and the coverage, especially when you see a 1514 01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:11.279 really big situation happen and you need readers, you need solid writers to talk 1515 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:15.000 about it. Um. And that's as a as a freelancer myself. It 1516 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:20.119 you know, it's really rough to see um see people like oh because now 1517 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:24.159 they're they're starving, you know, right, they just they just have a 1518 01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:28.680 solid job. They're let go. Now they have to fight with other freelancers 1519 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:33.640 to to get paid and the it's just it's just a terrible situation. It's 1520 01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:39.920 a really terrible and uh, the media world has seen fair amountal losses within 1521 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:44.399 the last two years. And yeah, no matter how you look at it, 1522 01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:49.039 it does it really makes me sad, um that that's the route that 1523 01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:54.359 things have gone. And then you bring an AI into this and it's like, 1524 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:59.399 oh god, that could really travel wedge. Yeah, so the only 1525 01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:03.960 thing you really do is not see it sucks because it's a catch twenty two. 1526 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:09.560 Do you not read the content coming from these crump companies anymore knowing that 1527 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:13.119 the people who are still there are also going to lose their job, or 1528 01:46:13.359 --> 01:46:16.159 do you you know, do you continue to read what they have? And 1529 01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:20.359 the only answer I have is like, find these people on social media and 1530 01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:25.479 if they have like a co fi or something like, throw five bucks at 1531 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:29.520 them. That's all I can say. All I can That's the only thing 1532 01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:31.000 that I can think of, because there's so many people out there who have 1533 01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:33.680 been like who've tweeted like, hey, listen, if I don't have a 1534 01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.239 job in three months i have, I'm getting kicked out of the country, 1535 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:41.119 Like that's the worst ones too, like that. I've seen people just like, 1536 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.239 oh I lose my visa, I have to go back and I have 1537 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:47.560 nothing over there, Like yeah, this is this is the terrible reality of 1538 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:51.800 letting good people go, and then like I feel guilty for like trying to 1539 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.119 to pitch something when I know there's some good right, I already have a 1540 01:46:56.239 --> 01:47:00.600 job. I don't need to be pitching other articles knowing there's people who who 1541 01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:03.520 are also pitching who don't have a job. They don't right, they lost 1542 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:08.199 everything. I feel I feel guilty doing that, and I can't, so 1543 01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:13.439 I've laid off of that for a while and trying to make other other work. 1544 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:16.479 Happened over at Season Gaming for that exact reason, and that and that's 1545 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:21.479 why we got to, you know, promote and continue to help with remote 1546 01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:25.840 work because all these people that have to come over here because you're forcing them 1547 01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:29.159 the good one office where they could work from home and do the same thing, 1548 01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:32.359 especially with writing. You don't get something. Twice I've been back to 1549 01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:38.319 my office. I do not like it, I bet right. So just 1550 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.600 to end things here, even though we know what everybody's buying this week, 1551 01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:46.279 it's Fa Fanacy sixteen for sure, But there is some other stuff. Speaking 1552 01:47:46.319 --> 01:47:54.079 of towards the Bob Crash team rumble, that online party game comes out actually 1553 01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:56.600 like right now. You can go buy it right now, pretty much as 1554 01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:59.760 you're listening to this Alien's Dark Descent game, which I thought looked cool when 1555 01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:05.199 they off Game Awards comes out. Also it's an RTS in the Aliens universe, 1556 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:12.039 um, and then you get some indie stuff super Meat Boys coming back. 1557 01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:16.119 But in Puyo Puyo form with Doctor Fetis the Mean Meat Machine. There's 1558 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:21.079 a first person airship based survival game Forever Skies. It's also coming into PC 1559 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:28.720 and seven Xbox um. And then that fire Boom which is technically Fireblom seven 1560 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:34.600 is hitting the antenna switch online. Yeah. So gearybuddy, everybuddy, if 1561 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:40.960 you're not hyped already, Final Fantasy sixteen week in a few days. Um, 1562 01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:45.119 thank you so much. See this was such a like awesome conversation to 1563 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:46.199 have. Thank you, this is great. Thank you for having me. 1564 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:50.560 Uh you know, hopefully we can have you on again. I don't know 1565 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:55.880 if you want to promote yourself or sure. Uh well, you can find 1566 01:48:56.359 --> 01:49:00.000 my work along with other talented writers over at season gaming dot com. You 1567 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:04.119 can check out the live podcast that's played every Sunday, I believe at eleven 1568 01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:10.720 o'clock Eastern Standard time called the Bitcast, where we have ans Dan good Old, 1569 01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:15.560 Richard Hogan Travis from ign Tyguy Travis you might know him as they're always 1570 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:21.840 streaming every Sunday with their bit Cast. You can find me online on Twitter 1571 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:30.039 at Steve Esposito SG. If you can find me on I'm also on TikTok 1572 01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:34.520 where I talk about computer stuff that is on I believe agitated. Still I 1573 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:42.159 should have prepared that one. And yeah, that's about all my little my 1574 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:45.960 little bits. All right. Well, I mean, if you enjoy what 1575 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:49.600 you heard here with Steve, Mark will be back soon, I think about. 1576 01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:54.600 We're still going to be having guests hopefully every you know, every week 1577 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:58.199 or two. And you know, if you like what you heard, you 1578 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:02.560 can always subscribe Video against the Max on the YouTube channel. You can if 1579 01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:06.199 you hit follow subscribe there you get not just what we do here Video against 1580 01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:10.279 the Max, you get the routs of broadcasting folks, which I'm sure they 1581 01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:16.479 have the Transformers review already in the can there on Dammy Hollywood, or taught 1582 01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:20.000 the Cake you Do an Anime and all the other folks there. You're can 1583 01:50:20.079 --> 01:50:25.359 also listen with your ears on podcasts search Video against the Max and we'll be 1584 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:29.800 there. So yeah, thank you so much, Steve, and we'll see 1585 01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:32.039 you next week everybody. We'll definitely be top play sixteen later