WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.839 Welcome. It's time to review a video game here on Giant Bomb. It's 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:10.240 Spider Man two season. Everybody's Marvel's Spider Man two is gonna be out here 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:14.119 at the end of the week. The review embargo is up. We've all 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:17.120 been playing it. We being I'm Jeff Grubb. I'm joined by Jeff Backlar, 5 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.640 Dan Riker, and Janet Choa. Boys, how are you doing? 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.440 Are you guys ready to talk about Spider Man? No? No, most 7 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:27.839 sort No, okay, I am. I can't wait to talk about spider 8 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.440 Just woke up in the suns of my eyes. I thought this was a 9 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.719 casual conversation amongst friends. And then you say the word review. Yeah, 10 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:39.520 yeah, yeah, you would give your review impressions. But I'm gonna need 11 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:41.960 a score and that's gonna be binding, and we're gonna hand that over to 12 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:46.640 Metacritic whatever. Jane Choa says, uh, let's see. So this this 13 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.759 is the sequel to Spider Man came out twenty eighteen. They all said, 14 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.600 Miles Morales to bring kind of both games together in this one. It is 15 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.719 PlayStation's big game for the fall kind of thing. Everything's lining up for this 16 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:02.359 to be a blockbuster. The original Spider Man, very successful game. I 17 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.799 really really liked Spider Man. I think I like Miles Morales even more, 18 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.879 not necessarily the story stuff, but the I think it was more concise, 19 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.000 more focused. Going into this one, I was like, I hope they 20 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.680 learned the lessons there, and I'll say overall, my my initial impressions are 21 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:22.480 that they did. It is a more focused game. It is not like 22 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.239 some sort of elaborate new take on it. But I don't think I was 23 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.040 ever expecting that. I think it's a pretty solid game overall. What's your 24 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.560 initial oppressions, Jeff Backlar, Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. 25 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:41.799 I am. I was not expecting any wild evolution from one in one 26 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.159 five I called Miles Morales one five. Sure, but yeah, it's you 27 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:53.400 know, I think they have really finessed and fine tuned the system that this 28 00:01:53.480 --> 00:02:00.239 game kind of operates on. And I have absolutely been enjoying the hell out 29 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:06.280 of what I've played so far about eight hours or so, and I think 30 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:12.240 they've really zeroed in in storytelling in this one. I think the storytelling in 31 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.680 this game, opposed to the last two, is really like hit it stride, 32 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:21.439 and that's probably for me like pound for pound the biggest tangible evolution from 33 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:27.680 the other two. You know, this game just plays so effortlessly, and 34 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.520 I think that's a big part of what we're we kind of miss with with, 35 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:35.919 you know, critiquing stuff, where like I sometimes fight games, right, 36 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.639 Like, I sometimes fight games to have it play the way that, 37 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.840 like, I want to feel comfortable playing, and this game is not that. 38 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:49.560 I think they really fine tuned combat in a way that I found super 39 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.120 frustrating in the first Spider Man, I think they've done something really interesting with 40 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:58.560 your gadgetry, allowing you to spin all those plates in a more logical and 41 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:02.039 kind of sensible way for me out of the gate, that was probably that 42 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:07.120 in the storytelling is probably the first two things that I really found to be 43 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:13.439 vast improvements. You know, we could get into the combat overall as we 44 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.120 keep talking here, but yeah, I mean front to back. I'm absolutely 45 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.599 loving what I'm playing. How about you, Dan, What are you thinking 46 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.479 about the game? So I'm like, I played about twenty five hours of 47 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.840 it, I would say, and it was kind of a roller coaster for 48 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:30.080 me because I also really liked the first one. I like the old ones 49 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:31.479 too, The old Legs fighter in two that never saw stuff and everything. 50 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.960 I struggled with the beginning. I didn't like the beginning. I didn't think 51 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.560 it was the best first impression. A big I mean, this isn't a 52 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.560 big spoiler. It's literally the first thing that happens in the game. There's 53 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.960 a big Sandman fight, and it reminds me of remember in the God War 54 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:50.479 two, the first got of War two. It starts the big Colossus of 55 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.240 Rhodes thing. Yeah, and it's such a cool big It's definitely a gimmick, 56 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.360 but it works. It's like, oh, you've got this giant monster 57 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.120 rampaging, but you're fighting, You're taking it down. There's all these quick 58 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.520 time events, and I think this is before you know, obviously Got Horror, 59 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.400 you know, kind of made quick time events a little sale and we 60 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:09.759 kind of moved away from that. But even back then, it was you 61 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.080 were playing a lot of that. You were fighting the class as you know, 62 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.120 the hand was coming down, You're trying to get your combos in and 63 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.720 crowd control and all that. I feel like the first half hour to hour 64 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.040 of this game kind of plays itself in a way that I was like, 65 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.720 man, this feels very dated to me, and this field it's very big 66 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.480 and expensive and pretty yeah, and like if somebody walked in on this that 67 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.120 didn't play video games, and so they're like, holy shit, video games 68 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.240 have come far, and they're right. I mean, it looks absolutely incredible. 69 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.439 But I just felt like everything from the way I was swinging to the 70 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.560 the combat cues I was given, everything was just kind of waiting for that. 71 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.399 All right, our ones popping up on the screen, Square's popping up 72 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.240 on the screen. It's clearly making me swing in this direction towards this that 73 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:51.399 it all feels very very on rails, and so I was really not into 74 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:56.879 that beginning, and then once it opened up, I loved it. I 75 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.959 mean, is it is a really really great open world moving around was by 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.199 is like one of the best open world protagonists you can be. The swinging 77 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:05.600 feels better than ever. The switching between Miles and Peter is great. The 78 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.600 map has been blown out to have you know, Queens and Brooklyn, Mystoria, 79 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.600 all that stuff, the really good stuff there. And as I moved 80 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.399 on, I like the skill trees a lot. I like the open world 81 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.560 stuff, and I felt like it it struggled in the big moments, because 82 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.360 the big moments all kind of felt like the game was playing itself for me, 83 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:25.759 or like you know these flashback sequences where it's like, oh, we 84 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:27.879 got to we're back in high school and we got to sneak into the school 85 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.120 and get a USB drive. It's like it doesn't feel open at all. 86 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:30.959 It's like, here's the part where one's been a climb on the ceiling. 87 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.920 Here's the part where I'm supposed to dangle down from this particular thing and steal 88 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:39.000 a thing from a pocket. So I really learned to not like the big 89 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.199 story missions. I loved the open world mission stuff, and then there was 90 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.079 stuff like in these small little side moments that really, really I thought it 91 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.360 shined. There's a I won't spoil exactly what happened, but there's a side 92 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:54.079 mission called find Grandpa, and I don't know if you guys played this, 93 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.920 but it's uh, I'm not a Marvel guy, not a Spider Man guy, 94 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.000 and it generations that Grandpa. Yes, that's right. I'm just not 95 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.279 even like really a story guy. And I've talked before, I like games 96 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.560 don't really get to me or anything. I don't really get emotional or anything 97 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.360 like that. And I did catch myself at this like random side mission and 98 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.920 Spider Man two kind of like welling up a little bit. I was like, 99 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.160 holy shit, this is the last thing I expected from the Spider Man 100 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.480 game. Was this really sweet little side mission that caught me completely off guard 101 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:19.920 in a really great way. Like the game has a ton of heart in 102 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.439 these moments. Yes, I think, yeah, it's the big stuff that 103 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.639 turned me off, the storytelling, like the actual direction and everything of the 104 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.480 cut scenes in the way that like when you swing into an area and you 105 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.319 just you and your suit, you know, come right into the thing, 106 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:39.879 Like everything was just seamless. It's so incredibly well made. But I found 107 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.360 what you were doing in the story missions. I thought they were too long. 108 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.879 I thought they were too linear. Many of them, right, too 109 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.199 many. So that's the thing. Yeah, So that's that's my ultimate thing 110 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.120 with this game is I did like all the side stuff for the most part. 111 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.680 I did almost every side mission. I pretty much. I saw all 112 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.639 of the skill trees almost filled out all three of them. There's one for 113 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.160 both of them together in one breach for Antagonist's right, And you know, 114 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.519 I was really really and all that I bought all the suits, bought all 115 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.439 the extra suits tied to those, and then I got to twenty one out 116 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.240 of thirty one main missions, and I had pretty much done all the open 117 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.040 world stuff because I kept putting off all the story missions because I wasn't liking 118 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.399 him. And when I saw that that was kind of all I had left 119 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.240 was the story missions, and I started the next one. It was like 120 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.199 another one of those like I'm Mary Jane, and I got to sneak around 121 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.199 and I was just like, man, I can't do and I like, 122 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.720 I don't this might be an hour long mission. I don't like any of 123 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.399 these, and I did. I just put the game down at that point, 124 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.040 so I don't think I'm going back to it. But I really really 125 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.839 enjoyed a lot of that open part of the game. You know, Jim, 126 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.279 how does that sound to use that kind of echo? How you feel 127 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.600 did you have a different experience? Yeah, that Dan's Dan's take echoes a 128 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.959 lot of my own experience with it. I feel like the game really shines 129 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:56.720 and really helps display why Spider Man the character and not just Peter Parker, 130 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:03.360 but the character Spider Man Miles Morales as well. Highlight does really well in 131 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.439 those smaller moments and like those person and person like, oh, Spider Man 132 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.600 is just a dude. He isn't some all seeing God or anything, And 133 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.120 those bigger story moments do kind of take away from my enjoyment of the game. 134 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.480 I had a little bit of a problem with the beginning of it as 135 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.639 well. It felt like a little bit too on rails. But once yea, 136 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.800 like Dan said, once it got going, everything started clicking into place 137 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.720 and everything, and I kind of enjoyed how the story was In Spider Man 138 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:37.919 one, I enjoyed those story beats just because I enjoy those characters more so 139 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:45.440 than other people in Spider Man's rogues gallery. But as the story was progressing 140 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.799 and unfolding here, if you were at all a fan of any of the 141 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.279 comics from any of the Spider Man series, there's a lot of images. 142 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.320 There's a lot of little nods and like, hey, I know that guy. 143 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.879 This looks like this. Yeah. And it's really neat. The way 144 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:07.320 that they handle the switching is seamless and really fucking neat, and it's really 145 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.559 cool and it feels organic when you come across Miles or you come across Peter. 146 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.799 When you're playing as the other, and it really adds to the feeling 147 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.480 of like, oh, there are two Spider Men here, right. It 148 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.759 almost made me want like a mode or something where it's just the two of 149 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:26.639 you all the time and you're tackling stuff together. I really like how they 150 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.559 managed to add little story bits that felt insignificant at first, but start to 151 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:37.039 build on top of each other as you start accumulating and doing them. I 152 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.480 don't want to spoil the specific story bits, but there are different, let's 153 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.279 say, factions within the world that start building up and picking up momentum as 154 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.840 you take on the different story missions. Some of them feel very inconsequential at 155 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.919 first, because like, oh, just stop this robbery, stop these bad 156 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.600 guys, go to this point, go to that point, But as you 157 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:01.679 build up, it re feels like it actually matters in the greater world of 158 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.159 Spider Man. I didn't mind the Mary Jane sections as much. They kind 159 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.879 of give you They're not as bad as the first one. They are. 160 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.759 It is still like there's still a lot of that kind of stuff, but 161 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.000 I think it's better than it was in the first game, which I don't 162 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.320 know if that's saying much, but I know that's saying Mary Jane. It's 163 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.200 like there is stuff like that the high school wen I was talking about, 164 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.320 which might as well, like yeah, you've got Spider Man powers, but 165 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.200 you're very confined with like okay, you can zip to the ceiling when the 166 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.039 security guard comes to look for you, you know. Yeah. But I 167 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.679 think like the combat really sings. I think they have finally nailed down the 168 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.519 combat in a way that, in my head, has surpassed like the Arkham 169 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.000 Games. Where as Batman you kind of felt invincible as long as you're nailing 170 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.279 the timing. Here, it's not only nailing the timing of the combat and 171 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.080 everything, but like really utilizing all the tools that they give you, and 172 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.679 give you an obscene amount of tools, Like it all felt like each other, 173 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.399 right, they all flow into one another really well. Right. Yeah, 174 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.559 Like you know when you were playing Guitar Hero and you nail like like 175 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.559 a twenty thirty note combo. Yeah, it feels like that here. And 176 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.000 I was surprised. Sorry, sorry, interrupted ahead, Oh no, no, 177 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:07.720 no, go ahead, go ahead, dad, I was just gonna 178 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.240 say that, Like it when you look at those skill trees, especially when 179 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.320 there is one for each character and one for both and they all have these 180 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.960 different Okay, this one if you hold in try and go while you're in 181 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.360 the air, this will do this, and you can grab a gun from 182 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.720 this and throw it back at a guy. Like I kept thinking that, 183 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.399 like this is gonna be too much, and it's gonna I'm gonna forget all 184 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.759 this stuff. I don't have to keep going, right, Yeah, really 185 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.480 it's that much. Yeah, and just the language of just like okay, 186 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.960 so this one is all my web stuff. So yeah, there's a million 187 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.120 different webyank things you can do, but they're all kind of tied to try 188 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.399 and and they all build on top of one another, so it's like now 189 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.159 it's doing a little bit extra, so it's yeah, it's easy to learn. 190 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.080 Yeah. Yeah, it felt really cool with like, you know, 191 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.720 a lot of that crime in progress stuff is going on where it's like you 192 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.759 could just kind of swing in above it and I would just like fly over 193 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:48.080 them. I would hold in whiye to like zip down and be like what's 194 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.440 up, motherfickers and then immediately start killing them all in like really like stylish 195 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.240 cool ways. That was not you know, linear at all. It wasn't 196 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.320 one of those Simons says things. I was deciding like I'm gonna webyank you 197 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.360 now, I'm gonna throw the gadget down, suck all you guys together, 198 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.240 jump up then and punch the ground. It like all of it flowed together 199 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:05.320 really really well. Like the game's super shy. I never got tired of 200 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.240 the combat. Yeah, never got tired of the combat, except in those 201 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.279 big boss encounters because it's just the boss. Yeah. Yeah, I think 202 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.080 the boss some of the weakest part. I mean, I think the walk 203 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.919 it talk stuff is that that's the weakest part. There's too much of it. 204 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.200 I was like, there's a there's a Coney Island scene, and I'm 205 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.360 like, this is pretty good. I'm doing a bunch of like motion patrol 206 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.720 games. It looked really good. It was pretty good character development. I 207 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.159 could tell where it was going, and I was like I was along for 208 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.120 the ride, and I'm like, this is this is a good example of 209 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.240 PlayStation design ethos of we are we want things to look big and expensive. 210 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.159 We want you to have an emotional attachment to the characters, and we're gonna 211 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.679 do that through a kind of reduced gameplay. It is it is confined, 212 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.039 but you're still interacting. It's showing not telling. By the end of the 213 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.879 game, when when it's like the fifteenth one of those sequences, I'm like, 214 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.080 no, this still feels like telling not showing. It's like, yeah, 215 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.120 they're trying to have their cake and eat it too a little bit there. 216 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.480 I thought about that a lot, especially with like, uh, what 217 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.799 did Druckman say, Like a couple of years He's like, we got to 218 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.639 figure out how to like not do cut scenes anymore. Right. It was 219 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.600 basically like narrative exposition has to be like a thing you play, and like 220 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.080 you know what, it's kind of like almost fucking impossible, Like no one's 221 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.519 really being able to figure it out in a way that has moved the needle 222 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.960 forward right in a way, and storytelling it's kind of like the alternative there, 223 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.440 and if you want to feel like a very heavy narrative in something like 224 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.600 that totally. I mean, I think there's ways to do it, but 225 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.080 it's not going to feel the same. No, it's not going to feel 226 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.440 the same. And I don't think that's uh. I think like you do 227 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.559 enough like market research and you know, uh yeah testing and like no, 228 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.840 he was going to sell a lot exactly right, So like that, you 229 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.039 know, I maybe that's just my brain going into a game like this where 230 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.879 it's like I know I'm going to have to play slower missions that are simply 231 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.720 story beats. Like there are missions that are just story beats, right, 232 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.240 there are main missions that you have to check off if you want to progress 233 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.200 the main story, and you're not gonna you're not really going to play a 234 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.240 lot. You're gonna you're gonna watch a thing, or you're gonna like vaguely 235 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.960 interact with the thing. I think the Coney Island one is probably the best 236 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.720 example of that, where like there is a bit of a balance too, 237 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.200 because that sort of has like a finale in it that's pretty exciting. I 238 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.679 also think the way I'm playing this game, I'm playing this game to an 239 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.679 audience of two, and this is like family time, and we're like all 240 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.320 gathering around and we're like and we're like at the edge of our seat with 241 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.480 some of these really interesting plot t us like early on, and I think 242 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.600 it's dope. I think like this is a game that is a roller coaster 243 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.159 and you sort of like there's build ups, there's drops, and there's a 244 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.120 lot of you know, peaks and valleys, and that's sort of like how 245 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:45.240 it goes, right, there's always like an interlude episode in a season of 246 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.720 television, there's always an episode that it's like throwback, and I think as 247 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.559 a whole when you talk about, you know, all of the all of 248 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.000 the boxes that Insomniac is trying to check here, right, it's kind of 249 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.799 like, Wow, this too, me is a very impressive overall package. 250 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:07.279 I think, Uh, I think if you if you are expecting, if 251 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.559 you know what you're getting into going into it, I think you're gonna be 252 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.200 well served and uh impressed. And I also think like, uh, you're 253 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.000 just you're just not gonna be able to like watch this and be like, 254 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.039 well this isn't fucking incredible what I'm seeing right now. Yeah, You're just 255 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.480 not gonna be able to sit there and be like, well I'm bored, 256 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.600 right, Like, I think very entertaining. It's very very entertaining there. 257 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:35.279 I think my one the one thing that bugs me the most in this game, 258 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.559 and it's a very spiders. I get it nice, I'm scared of 259 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.120 them, guys. I there's there's it feels like there's been a significant amount 260 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.519 of time between Spider Man one and two, and I'm talking within the world 261 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.000 world of the actual game in your lifetime, and we see Miles grow, 262 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:58.960 Like the character model of Miles definitely has aged. I do not like this 263 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:04.519 little boy if a case of Peter Parker because I think like it lends more 264 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.000 to the character to see him age up as well, because it's like, 265 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.279 okay, you you have seen some ship. You have been seeing some ship. 266 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.720 Let's put let's put a little bit of I don't know, like wrinkles 267 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.320 on there. Like I think that's why the character of Peter B. Parker 268 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.320 in the Spider Verse movies plays so well because it's like, damn, man, 269 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.279 you've seen some stuff. Yeah, he's like middle aged. Right. 270 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.679 Even Toby a Wire in that in the in the Multiverse movie that they did, 271 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.039 it was like that it goes the best part of the man. He's 272 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.759 still Spider Man. He's still working at it. I like, I like 273 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.480 that a lot too. And and uh yes, some of that was lost 274 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.639 for me with the character model change. I'm like, I'm used to it. 275 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:45.799 But but again, I don't like the I don't know. I look 276 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.360 a lot of the character models. They're impressive in a lot of scenes, 277 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:51.919 and a lot of times they look pretty goofy too, I think. Yeah, 278 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.240 it also takes away from like the character arc that they're building for Peter 279 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:02.120 of like yours is like men Tour, Like you're you're his old you're his 280 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.000 father figure. Yeah, it's like his swim buddy, Yeah, right, 281 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:10.200 like when and there are moments where, like the character model for Miles looks 282 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:15.119 older and more mature than Peter, because Peter looks like Timothy Salome sometimes. 283 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.559 I definitely played his Miles more one because like a lot of his new powers 284 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.279 are a lot of fun. Yeah, and also he's just so much less 285 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.559 annoying than than Peter Peters is. I don't know if that's normal and like 286 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.640 just the series if he's like less of a dorky, equippy Spider Man, 287 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:33.119 but I definitely preferred him because of that. I could use a verbosity slider 288 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.000 on h on Peter Dan. So you said you're about two thirds the way 289 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:41.319 through the main story, Yeah, did you get the last sort of suit 290 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.680 for Spidy that unlocks powers? I mean I got about halfway through. There 291 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.279 was the one that like suddenly, oh okay, like here's it's a new 292 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.799 type of suit. Yeah, okay, Okay, I don't know if we're 293 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.559 talking about the same one. Yeah, right, okay, yes, I 294 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.640 think probably, If not, it's it's essentially the same thing. I How 295 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.720 do you guys feel about the we can't see this in the trailers, the 296 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.319 symbiote suit powers on Spidey. That was a nice surprise. I did not 297 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.240 know this was a big Venom game, and I remember from my little yeah, 298 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:12.680 oh yeah. When I saw I was like, oh right, I 299 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.839 guess they did like tweet that out or something, so I didn't know that 300 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.000 was a spoiler that Venom was in it. But then when I saw him, 301 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:18.519 I was like, oh, right, that guy. Like even though 302 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.799 someone who doesn't know comics, I just remember from playing the games that Venom's 303 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.599 a cool character and there are parts with him that I don't know if it's 304 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.160 people know who he the symbiotes tied to or what happens there. But even 305 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.519 to the first game, they tease it, but they we don't. People 306 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:34.359 are like, we don't know for sure if that's going to be him, 307 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.160 but right, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, it's it's it's kind 308 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.920 of a fun thing throughout the middle stretch of the game seeing what's going on 309 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.559 with that and how that's developing and then how that affects you. And I 310 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.799 thought, as far as the story stuff goes, that was the most intriguing 311 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.640 stuff to me, This stuff where it's just like I got to track down 312 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.559 this doctor and I gotta you know, like some of the stuff doesn't hit, 313 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.480 but the venom symbiotes stuff was pretty cool. Yeah, I was. 314 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:00.799 And like, you know, due to the story, you know, they 315 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.839 that Peter Parker is eventually gonna lose the symbiote suit, like he he can't 316 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.440 keep it because he becomes Sassy Peter Parker, which, by the way, 317 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.200 I'm over. I am so over Sassy Peter Parker because he's got a black 318 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:17.319 suit on. I just that story is so ancient. Now it's go ahead, 319 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.839 Jeff, is maybe the best Peter Parker like Spider Verse Peter Parker. 320 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.160 Yeah, yeah, totally right, like just like like new Dad, like 321 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:29.759 New Dad Peter. He's absolutely the best, all right, Yes, absolutely 322 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.680 supposed to be Peter Parker in that Peter Parker. I think it's Peter Parker. 323 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.920 Yeah, I think he's in the noir. Yeah, okay, the 324 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:45.119 best one. Yeah, his eleven words. But but I forget where I 325 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.039 was going with this, But basically, I just think that the game has 326 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.079 a lot going for it in the side quest Dan, you touched on this 327 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.880 earlier. The side quest are the kind of the meat and potatoes here where 328 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.480 it's like they really figured out how to make the feel interesting, like turning 329 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.920 them into their own mini campaigns. Essentially, they you know, it's not 330 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.039 just like the same little thing you're doing over and over again to fill up 331 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.960 or to mark things off a checklist. There is an aspect to it, 332 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.640 but they build up to something and they have a conclusion and then usually you 333 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.480 get some cool rewards at the end. And then there's the smaller side quest, 334 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.599 the ones where you like you found Grandpa I had won and this is 335 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.319 like such like a video game moment where it's like, hey, this guy 336 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.440 is like, hey, my my wife died. I have my birds here 337 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.440 that i've been taking care of their my family now, but I'm going on 338 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.880 an adventure. Can you take these birds for me? And I'm like, 339 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:34.680 yeah, sure, man, I'll take the birds to a park and like 340 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.920 let them send them free. He's all right, cool, all right, 341 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:38.920 And you're supposed to go back and find him, and of course he died 342 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:41.680 and it's like this touching moment. I thought, I found it very touching. 343 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.599 It was it's a cool little moment that makes you feel connected to New 344 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.480 York, which I think is important for a Spider Man game. And then 345 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.119 as soon as as soon as the mission ended, it was like level up, 346 00:20:52.559 --> 00:21:00.640 but I just died and I leveled up this rule. So his soul 347 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:07.119 is what happens? What is the soul if not XP exactly souls have skill 348 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:12.599 points and then we all know that, but that's it's exactly that which highlights 349 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.319 the character of Spider Man is something like that lends itself so well to a 350 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.559 video game and a movie. It's like, yeah, even though Spider Man, 351 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.559 either of them have all these magnificent powers, it's like you're still having 352 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.200 these human interactions in a way that like Batman would never right, Like Batman 353 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:36.759 is not going to stop it helps one find their grandpa or like shovel grandpa, 354 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.640 Yeah, like he would. Like there's another side mission where, like 355 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.920 you know, Spider Man is to go look at people setting off fireworks, 356 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.480 right, Batman would punch both of those people. Today, you got to 357 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.359 beat the shit out of those kids, exactly. Is less of a cop 358 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.720 right. Yeah, but like Spider Man, it was like, oh cool, 359 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.519 this is why you're doing it all right, Okay, just just stop 360 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.960 guys. I do like that at that aspect. Like that like leads into 361 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.640 how he treats a lot of his villains, his his rogues Gallery, where 362 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.200 a lot of them are established, Like he is a little bit older. 363 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:12.200 That's he's supposed to be older's supposed to have been around for a while. 364 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.680 So he's dealt with a lot of these villains before, and most of you, 365 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:19.200 if they're not in jail, they are the reformed or trying to be 366 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.319 reformed. And so there's like this aspect of he's not just beating up guys 367 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.839 because they made a poor decision or because they did a science experiment that ruined 368 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.799 their brain. He's not gonna punish them eternally for that. It's like, 369 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.119 no, they can get better. These people aren't just coded as evil forever. 370 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.480 And I like that it Also they bring them all into the story in 371 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.839 an interesting way. So the set up here is Craven the Hunter is coming 372 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.200 to New York to hunt this this rogues, this rogue's gallery because he's like, 373 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.400 wow, this is way better than what I've been finding in the jungle. 374 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.400 So he comes and he's way better than panthers. So he's like he's 375 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.039 like dragging like Tombstone and all these guys out of retirement, so and the 376 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.200 Lizard and all these things. That's school. Like when you see Tombstone is 377 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:00.440 like he's a Carnie is like we're in a ferris wheel. It's like, 378 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.599 what the hell he's got god a uniform. It's a good bit And I'm 379 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.279 like, that's that's a cool thing to make it feel like the make the 380 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.400 world feel alive and make it like there's tears of these villains and we know 381 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.920 that from like reading the comics, Like that's a jobber. It's like, 382 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.359 well, no, yeah, that jobber is now just working a job like 383 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.440 it's Carney, So it's perfect for him. You're talking about they did a 384 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.920 mysterio dirty in this then, I mean the mysterio is the ultimate jobber though. 385 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.880 So yeah, he's the goober of the room. Yeah they did him 386 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.400 dirty, man boy dirty, and that that spot the mysterio, I think 387 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.559 the first one with the long DJ mini game and stuff that made me realize 388 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.200 that like there's a lot of mini game stuff in this, there's find the 389 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.640 crypt at him. There's a one DJ fair amount of basketball shots in this. 390 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.079 Yes, there's a lot of hold L two and R two spot to 391 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.839 make the thing sparked. There's a lot of fun. There's so much of 392 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.039 that, Yes, there is. There's two things I want to bring up 393 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.000 that you reminded me of. Grob. First off, mentioning New York. 394 00:23:53.200 --> 00:24:00.920 I think it's almost impossible to like properly represent New York in a video game, 395 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.680 and I do think this game does arguably some of the best New York 396 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:11.680 stuff. It's it's really really good and I always appreciate that, so definitely 397 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.519 points in that category. And I do think, like you talk about with 398 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.519 the side missions, about developing its own narrative, I think that is something 399 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:23.599 really great that this game kind of borrows from the Batman the early Batman games, 400 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:29.119 where like those side things are not just these checkboxes, right, they 401 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:34.000 are little expositional sort of chapter marks that do tell a story. And I 402 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.400 think they they were able to like kind of translate that into this into the 403 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:42.240 Spider Man world, which is super dope as opposed to like how it kind 404 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:47.440 of went the first two games. Even stuff like the photo missions where you'll 405 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.200 just go to it yeah, and like they really flesh out like, oh, 406 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.440 this is New York. But then yeah, Robbie right, that's the 407 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.720 character's name from the from the Daily Bugle. I think, yeah, we'll 408 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.599 give a little bit of context, and some of some of the context is 409 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.240 really neat. It's like, oh, they're wear to New York. There's 410 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.920 like a wrestling thing talking about the history like wrestling in New York, and 411 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.599 so I was like, oh, this is fun and it's yeah. It 412 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.079 was like sa bona, Yeah, got meet. I wanted them to say 413 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.400 bone saw too. Uh. That stuff is also like not just thrown in 414 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.079 for as an afterthought. It feels like, no, that these the people 415 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:22.279 making this game are like, hey, if we're going to to use New 416 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.119 York City, if we're going to to try to like represent like Harlem because 417 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.640 Miles is from there, and they make a big deal about that. Like 418 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.279 the the one of the missions, one of the side quests, ends with 419 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.960 you going to like going to like you're collecting all these things. I won't 420 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.119 spoil the specific subit, but you're collecting all these things and the real world 421 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:42.759 objects. And then at the end it's like they're gonna put them in a 422 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.000 museum and you can walk up to them and you can actually read about them, 423 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.720 and it refers to the real people who actually use this stuff and how 424 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.559 that relates back to Harlem. It was like, I'm like, you know 425 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.279 what, this is pretty good. I think you know. I wasn't like 426 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:57.599 having a I'm like, oh man, I'm in a museum. This rules. 427 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:02.119 But I'm like, this is a nice much and it feels it feels 428 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.640 sincere from the development team, and it doesn't get like if you are not 429 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.680 interested in that. It's not like it's not like a stealth mission that you 430 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.079 have to do. Like I thought, the work that went into it in 431 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:12.359 the heart and the thought that went into I think we're talking about the same 432 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.680 side story with them when you're collecting these things, and it's like, wow, 433 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.839 this is a level of detail and thought that I'm not used to seeing 434 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.960 out of like collectibles or a side mission. And I also go I was 435 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.880 just saying, and that especially works because there isn't a ton of map barf. 436 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.319 It isn't like so many side things. This is a very manageably sized 437 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.359 game where it's like you're not gonna get lost if you're gonna find these interesting 438 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.559 side quests because they are the thing to do and they all lead to these 439 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.880 down these interesting paths. I'm sorry, I keep going down. I also 440 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.240 want to call out tremendous accessibility stuff going on here, and this is a 441 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:48.839 Sony Big Sony first party has always been very good about this. But there 442 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.519 were options and stuff here I had never seen before. Like you've got the 443 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.200 stuff where there's a huge variety of like you know, you can open up 444 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.960 the timing window and healing options and things like that, but also stuff we're 445 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.920 like mapping a bunch of shortcuts to the dpad. If you want to, 446 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:07.680 you can set like a game speed like seventy percent to a dpad button, 447 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:08.720 so like at any point in the game, if you want to, you 448 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.240 could like tap left on the dpad and it's going at thirty percent speed if 449 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.319 you need that or I did it as just like, man, this is 450 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.880 actually kind of cool. I'm just going to look cool dramatic mode anytime you 451 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.720 can adjust the physics assist on the web swinging. There is just like a 452 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.799 huge suite of accessibility options that I saw that I was like, wow, 453 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.920 this is another one of the things that a lot of a lot of big 454 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.880 games don't put the time into like this level of it, and uh, 455 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:36.000 there's so much here. I think that's that's awesome. It's it now. 456 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.319 I was gonna say, it really is like such a complete package, right, 457 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:41.920 Like. I think there's moments like that where you realize like, oh 458 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.799 wow, like the flexibility to customize that experience the way you want it. 459 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.319 I just think is an amazing thing that I never would have thought would be 460 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:56.519 a reality ten fifteen years ago. Uh. And I think that just leads 461 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.759 to like all these moments where I just found find myself like perched on top 462 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.559 of some you know, water well on top of the building, or you 463 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.160 know, on top of like a spire on a bridge, and you're just 464 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.000 sort of like, god, like, look at the light, especially at 465 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.319 night. This game at night is golden Golden hour is what really. I 466 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.160 was like that intro sequence that you guys were complaining about earlier with you, 467 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.039 I thought, I don't I don't like the intro, especially thought like the 468 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.559 swinging was broken. I was so worried, like, oh my god, 469 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:32.079 it feels like you're you're like, it's broken. What's happening? Yeah, 470 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.240 talking about Yeah, and so you guys, we're just on a roller coaster 471 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.640 and didn't realize you just had to stay buckets and that's that's correct. You 472 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.440 just like sit down, keep your heart and it's like, okay, no, 473 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.079 this this feels better. But then you start unlocking powers and like especially 474 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.319 Troversal power something like that. No, this actually feels incredible, fantastic, 475 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.880 And then you know the way the time works in the game. I don't 476 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.279 think it's like a real time clock. Like the scenes are set at different 477 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.240 times and it's progression a little bit, so you into the Golden Hour time 478 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.079 and it's just like the city looks so beautiful. And by this point you've 479 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.279 will watch so much Traversa that you feel really empowered and you're doing all these 480 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:14.079 cool moves and I think that the wrapping around the corner to like keep your 481 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.640 swing going in. And then the flying we haven't talked about it. This 482 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:25.039 is the best Superman game ever made. This is yeah, well literally flying 483 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.200 through rings. Yeah yeah, this is the evolution of the Super Mario Brothers 484 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.400 Cape. Yes, incredibly, it's the way to do flying in in a 485 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.839 in a game. I think it feels so good. You feel so cool, 486 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:37.680 and I think that's what you're if you're gonna be flying. I think 487 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.880 it's what you need to do. You need to just feel cool. Like 488 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.880 the extra boosts, like the extra air dash jump that you get as well 489 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.319 to like continue the momentum. Flying just really good. It's I was kind 490 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:52.799 of worried it was going to be like a Saints Row three to Saints Ro 491 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.079 four thing, where it's remember, like Saints Row three, you could do 492 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.000 a ton of stuff that made it, yes, so very mobile going around 493 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.960 the city. But then by four it was like, well, now I'm 494 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.720 just straight up Superman. I'm just flying around and there's no constraints, and 495 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:04.680 I feel like, why would I ever drive around? Why would I ever 496 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.240 engage with stuff on the ground. This somehow hits that sweet spot where it's 497 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:14.480 like I can basically fly, but there is some sort of physics involved and 498 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.880 you do have to kind of Mario World cape it a little bit or find 499 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.920 those little exhaust events and stuff like that, and it doesn't take you away 500 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.240 from like you still want to explore down in the buildings and on the ground 501 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:23.720 and things like that. It's uh, you know, Arkham City kind of 502 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.240 had a little bit of that where you could grapple up and we're a little 503 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.960 bit but this this is, yeah, like you said, by far, 504 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:36.319 the best version of that I've seen any It's because I think they really balance 505 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.079 the idea of like, well, it's still Spider Man, so we can't 506 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.240 like just give him like infinite flight, right right, No, yeah, 507 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.000 so that dance right, that wouldn't be as fun, Like it's fun like 508 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.519 to feel like, oh man, I'm about to skid on the ground. 509 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.960 What can I do here? Do I back to my swing? Do I 510 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.759 use my venom boost or whatever. There's a bunch of options available to you, 511 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.279 and you having that control over stuff makes it feel that much cool. 512 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.039 And that's the beauty of it, right because you are you are juggling, 513 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.759 you're spinning a bit of a plate. When it comes to like just keeping 514 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.920 your eye on like the most surface level like gravity issues, right, we're 515 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.680 just like all right, I don't I can't fly like a like Superman, 516 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.720 but I can at least understand like I'm probably gonna need to switch something up 517 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.079 right here and jump to a different way to traverse. It's it's so much 518 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.319 fun. You have so many different tools that like you could be flying and 519 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.240 then if you need this little boost or something, L three will make you 520 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.039 nose dive, and then there's an upgrade where if you go for a nose 521 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.759 dive and then you hold the swing full loop loop like inside out Boys situation, 522 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.279 you can sing yourself back so much speed that it's a really good thing 523 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.240 to do if you are trying to like fly somewhere really quick because you want 524 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.799 that speed. That really helps the flying or gliding I suppose. But yeah, 525 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.000 that loopy loop is a really cool move. All the stuff you in 526 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.720 lock it like makes it better. But like there's a you talked about the 527 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.759 skill trees, there's a couple other, like you know, there's the suit 528 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.880 upgrades as well, and those have powers link to like what you're capable of 529 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.519 doing. You people should focus on that because getting your traversal speed up really 530 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.880 unlocks more fun in this game, and it is just called traversal under suit 531 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.559 tech or whatever. Hut. Put your upgrade points into that, maybe not 532 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.440 first, but pretty early on because you want to be playing as much as 533 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.920 this game with your upgraded maximum swing velocity as fun as possible, because it 534 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.720 really does a lot. There we got, I'll go ahead, please jam. 535 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.960 Like I was gonna say that that suit Tech skill tree thing. I 536 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.359 thought it was really cool that like you would have a couple that are like 537 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.799 okay, ten percent boots, ten percent boost, and then there would be 538 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.160 a split. Yes, like you're saying in skill trees a million times, 539 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.920 but you unlock it, and but you can toggle between the two anytime you 540 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.279 want to. There's no cost or anything. You're not like the choice yes, 541 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.799 right right, like you got both of these, yes, yep, 542 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.759 exactly. It's like, okay, I'm going into combat, so let me, 543 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:45.880 you know, flip all these switches on. And now I'm traversing, 544 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.640 let me flip these So yeah, I love the fact that like you can 545 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:59.039 have a situation where you are not only uh, switching between like all the 546 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:06.160 gadgetry stuff, right, like the gadgetry situations where like you can balance, 547 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.240 like, oh, I know that I can get an extra shot in my 548 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:15.359 web slinger thing if I do a certain like style of like combinations and whatnot. 549 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.160 I just think, like like you said at the top, like when 550 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.799 you're when you're juggling all that and in the first couple of game where like 551 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.680 that was just like a thing that I never I probably played that entire game 552 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.880 and didn't use half of the gadgetry because I just didn't know it was there. 553 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.160 I wasn't directed from like a UI experience to like gravitate towards that. 554 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:45.559 So I think the fact that this game like very much probably realized that probably 555 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.079 had enough data to see like, oh, man, like players left shit 556 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.839 on the table, we need to make sure there's a way to like incorporate 557 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.400 that. So that's I love to see that stuff. And just even from 558 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.440 like the cosmetic point of view, like, man, they just went nuts 559 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:07.400 with suits, huh, they just went absolutely bananas. Like I'm having a 560 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.079 trouble. I'm having trouble like moving away from the Scarlet Spiders suit because I 561 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.280 just love Scarlet Spiders. That's gonna be the question that's silver Stricken chat asked, 562 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.599 what's your favorite suit? Is that your favorite one? I think Scarlet 563 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.840 Spider is like my favorite. I don't know if there's like more of that, 564 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.000 But what they do is they like you unlock a suit and then there's 565 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.119 like four subsuits below that, and you're like, yeah, for any of 566 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:29.360 them. I mean there must be two hundred suits in this game, like 567 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.320 it's not expensive to get. Like every single time I unlocked a suit, 568 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.920 I was like, okay, I'll hold square to spend ten tech points or 569 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.159 whatever, and then I've got, yeah, two hundred of them. Yeah, 570 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.039 those were awesome. And I don't even know like the story stuff like 571 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.840 some of that, like I recognize the Spider Verse suit or this or that, 572 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.800 but like just visually all these like Miles has a bunch of really cool 573 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.679 ones with like kind of an electronic face and stuff like that, and some 574 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.039 of your unlocking, but some of you are getting as part of the story. 575 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:53.159 Some you get at the end of quests. There's a lot you could 576 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.920 do get the end if you complete a quest chain, you get a reward 577 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.159 at the end of that. There's a lot of ways to get suit, 578 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.599 a lot of ways to get suit. It's a lot of variety there. 579 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.559 We're running low on time, so I got a couple of questions from the 580 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.360 chat. Let's see here. Xandrake ninety fourth says, does the map cover 581 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.880 more neighborhoods? It does? It has queens and stuff. How'd you guys 582 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.000 feel about that? I thought this is a pretty good addition. It's not 583 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.280 like it's not a game changer. But I'm glad that had the gliding because 584 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.280 it made it easy to get through those parts where there's not a lot of 585 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:22.760 a big, big buildings. But I thought that was a good addition. 586 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.400 How'd you guys feel about it. I'm trying to remember did fast travel work 587 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.000 the same, because I remember you could do the subway in the previous one, 588 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:31.119 but this one it's really cool where it's like, once you do a 589 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.639 certain amount of activities in an area of the city, you can just fast 590 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.400 travel to any point within it. So like you know, I thin guess 591 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.719 a while to get from like the Upper West Side to Astoria, but if 592 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.440 I've done enough stuff in Astoria, I can literally like point at the map 593 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.079 and be like, send me right there, and it works. And it's 594 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.880 like immedia too. It's just like seamles suddenly like it's cutting you flying in 595 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.480 through the air or doing setups on a building or something. It's so they've 596 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.880 they figured that part out. I don't know what kind of you know, 597 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.239 dark magic is happening under the hood there, but like that shit is, 598 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.320 you'll love to see it. They know how to make a video game. 599 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.920 Yeah, yes, did you guys have any bugs. I had a few 600 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.840 audio bugs a couple just nothing terrible stuff that I can live with with. 601 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.440 I audio cut out of a couple like just like the music bed fallout that 602 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.760 was before that day zero patch, so maybe that was addressed. There. 603 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:25.239 A couple of times clearing out like an enemy stronghold, there would be like 604 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.400 one enemy left and this you know idiot was like caught up in some like 605 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.880 glitchen on some lampposts that I couldn't find, and you know, it'd be 606 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.960 like the mission's not over. Where is this idiot? I gotta find him? 607 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.960 Had some of that. I had a boss fight I had to restart 608 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.039 because I went really hard with just like every one of my powers. I 609 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:45.440 was just like pumbling, pumbling, pumbling, and he kept like staggering back 610 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.400 until he like staggered into a rock and he was like inside it, and 611 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.760 it seemed like the character couldn't get out. So he had like this much 612 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.360 health left and he was in the rock and I couldn't get aim out, 613 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:55.960 and I was like, all right, I guess I gotta restart this. 614 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.199 But overall, it's like very few and farba in terms of that type of 615 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.000 stuff and the amount of times, I've just been in awe of what it's 616 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.960 pulling off technically far out weigh is that. Yeah, there's there's a specific 617 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:14.920 moment. It's kind of a chase sequence where they're definitely pulling all the tools 618 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.719 that they've shown you from like the Ration and Clank game, Like, oh, 619 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.039 you're doing that with Spider Man. That's sick as hell, Let's do 620 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.159 more of that. And it made me kind of want like or see the 621 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:31.440 possibilities of a game using the mechanics of that specific Marvel character. Yes, 622 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.920 I don't want to spoil anything, yep, yeah, I mean speaking of 623 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.599 spoilers, this is a game that is a sequel to a very successful game. 624 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.280 I think it's very likely they're going to make a third one. There 625 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.719 are some setups there, don't We won't talk about anything specific, but how 626 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.320 do you guys feel about the setup for a third game? And how do 627 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.480 you feel about the conclusion of this one? If you've beaten it, Dan, 628 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.760 you beat it? No, No, that's right, twenty one miss 629 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.800 then you guys thrust you guys have Okay, Well I'm I'm so. I 630 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.559 thought I was close to the end, but then I looked at that progress 631 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.920 and it read like fifty. Oh. Actually, if it's at fifty, 632 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.039 you're probably pretty close to the end of the story. If I was at 633 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.719 like sixty five seventy or something like that and I still had ten story missions, 634 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.199 yeah, but I had done like all of you were doing all the 635 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:16.440 other stuff. Yes, I think so if you've been doing a good mix, 636 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.280 you're probably pretty close to the end. Got it. I think the 637 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.679 the ending is very satisfying. Uh. The uh boss fight, Like I 638 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.000 don't I don't love the boss fights in this I think they're pretty samy. 639 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.320 They all have the same structure. There's gonna be multiple phases, and and 640 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.239 the phases are gonna be like you're gonna end with that cinematic sequence, and 641 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.639 then you're gonna jump to another part of the level, and then you're basically 642 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.159 gonna do the same fight again, and you're either gonna do that two or 643 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.880 three times. And that happens a lot. I think that's one of the 644 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.920 things with this game that is maybe its weakness is it has a lot of 645 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.199 good stuff, and then it has a lot of stuff that's maybe too much. 646 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.599 I like the combat. I think that being like the main thing you 647 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.880 do constantly combat that did get a little bit old for me. I kind 648 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:57.760 of wish that there would have been some platforming sequences mixed up in the in 649 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.199 the main stuff, but overall it's like, yeah, the combat's good, 650 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.039 but there's just too much of everything in some of these stuff. I think 651 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.159 the side question where they had that good balance for like, there's not too 652 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.360 much of that. But yes, I think this is part of the reason 653 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.800 that Miles Morales was such a welcome thing because we had all of the like 654 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:20.199 big budget, giant open world map stuff going on without any bloat. Really, 655 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.760 you know, like this is this is a really good game, but 656 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.920 it's pretty bloated in a few ways. And like, I think scaling it 657 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.760 back to that Miles Morales level was exactly what that game needed. I could 658 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.880 have gone for more on the Miles Morales length than this. I yes, 659 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.800 so totally. I think that if you play through the story, you're going 660 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.480 to know where this the third game is going to go pretty quickly. You're 661 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.599 gonna have a pretty good idea of who's going to be in there, who's 662 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.880 going to be the villain, how that's going to work, So that yes, 663 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.760 they definitely set up a third game finally, don't even talked too much 664 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.639 about it. I think we've all just been mostly been impressed the performance. 665 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.000 This is a next Gin only or current Gen only game. Uh, do 666 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.360 you guys feel like this takes advantage of the power of the PS five and 667 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.400 you're pretty happy with the performance. Yeah, the variable refresh rate stuff like 668 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.440 you know, I've gotta I've got a C two O led and I turned 669 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.039 on all that ship and you can tell it runs so so smooth, like 670 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.000 just no hiccups, doesn't matter how much crazy bullshit's happening on the screen. 671 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.880 It technically it's maybe like it's definitely the top three like PS five showcases. 672 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.400 Yeah, it's phenomenal. I mean, especially with those uh melee scenes where 673 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:30.840 you're tag teaming and you Yeah, I mean just the the chore choreography and 674 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.559 all that coming together. It is really wild. There's a whole well I 675 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.239 don't want to spoil the character that shows up, but this person is around 676 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.719 for a little bit with a little bit of like teleportation, and that ship 677 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.239 is just oh that phenomenal. Yeah, that scene very very good. That's 678 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.800 like because we're cool, that's the there's yeah, tele portals. That what 679 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.000 I was talking about. Yes, okay, Oh, it's very minister of 680 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.559 Ratchet and Clank with the rift apart. Oh, oh the site, Yes 681 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.360 there's worre suddenly. Okay, yes, that's the kind of thing they would 682 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.119 be like, we could do this in a Spider Man movie, but how 683 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.000 do we translate that to a game. No, it's perfect here. It's 684 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:12.760 better than it could ever be in a movie. It's so like you show 685 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.760 up in one spot for like ten seconds, you're just like, what the 686 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.800 fuck? So awesome? Ye, all right. The last thing I want 687 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:27.159 to say is like, God, Like, I was fearing that Insomniac would 688 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.719 feel the pressure of the popularity of the Spider Verse theories, that they'd have 689 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.480 to ham this something. There's something there. There are little bits and homages 690 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.239 to it. But I I really love that they stuck to their guns with 691 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.800 their versions of the Spider Man and not having to like fold to agree, 692 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.239 well, we've got to make everything the Spider Verse. The biggest strength of 693 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.320 the story of this game is the relationship between Peter Parker and Miles Morales. 694 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.400 That is, it's a really good dynamic. It's really I think it's really 695 00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:00.400 smart because we've seen Peter like, oh, try to explain why has to 696 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.599 do stuff to MJ and to his aunt and all this stuff. And then 697 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.480 we've seen that that stuff where Miles has to explain it to all these other 698 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.599 Spider Man and that that's cool. But just having like the mentor student dynamic 699 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.920 and then have it become like, no, now we're kind of equals and 700 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.480 we're working together and be partners as like the Spider Team. It's really good 701 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.480 stuff. I really like that a lot. Okay, that's gonna do it 702 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.079 if you're if you're hearing this in the BombCast feed, we might do this 703 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.920 occasionally in the future where like, hey, if there's a big game coming 704 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.159 out, when we want to have a conversation about it, especially at an 705 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.320 embargo time, if it's kind of a little bit off from when we do 706 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.480 the show, Uh, we might do a little bit more of this in 707 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.400 the future. Let us know what you think. Otherwise, thanks for listening, 708 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.079 Thanks for watching everybody. Uh, we'll catch you. We'll catch you 709 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.320 next time. Thanks boys. Bye bye Whip Whip