1 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,160 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,079 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,039 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,000 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Today I'm 5 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:37,479 joined by Christopher Bedford, executive editor over at the Common Sense Society. Last 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,119 week he was traveling and drinking, and this week he's sick. You'll be 7 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:44,719 shocked by this turnout events, Chris, welcome back. I'll tell you what, 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,039 It's a good thing that I got sick traveling with Sarah, because if 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,520 she had left me to my own devices at home when she had come home 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,119 and I was simply sick from drinking, I think I'd be in trouble. 11 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,840 But now she kind of has to feel bad for oh the dreaded Man cole 12 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,320 Well. As promised all summer, we've been teasing that we're going to do 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,879 an episode where we answer some of your questions and you sent them over to 14 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,840 radio at the Federalist dot com, So stay tuned for that. Before we 15 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:14,280 get into that, though, Chris has a new a new piece out for 16 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,200 the Telegraph, and it's actually kind of timely. On the one hand, 17 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,519 just what we saw today as we were recording, Mitch McConnell, Senate minority 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:30,239 leader, longtime leader of Republicans in the Upper Chamber, had another very public 19 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:36,239 medical situation where he had, you know, not a senior moment, but 20 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,079 a moment of abject sinility. And I wish him, certainly, we'd both 21 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:46,319 wish him the best, but he is the leader of Republicans in the Senate, 22 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,799 and it seems to be completely incapable of performing his duties. Chris No. 23 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,079 I mean, I'm not a doctor, but I've known a lot of 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,159 we all of us have known a lot of people who've gotten through the process 25 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:00,480 of aging. I've never quite seen what we've seen these two times with Chris 26 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,680 McConnell, which is where he just freezes in the middle of talking to someone 27 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,439 and kind of reversed, staring straight ahead and just stars off to the distance. 28 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:12,479 It doesn't look like this normal senior moment. Looks like a deeper brain 29 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,680 problem, and it's it's sad to see. I mean, we've talked a 30 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:22,680 lot on the show about how old our leadership is. I mean, even 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,319 yea even if CNN grilling the White House now on just how you Americans think 32 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,439 that Joe Biden is young enough to be president? Still I think it was, 33 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,800 I mean the majority of Democrats and Republicans at this point, I think 34 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,840 he's too old for the job. I assume that the number might be eaten 35 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,400 higher, possibly for Miss McConnell. He's not as exposed as Joe Biden is. 36 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,439 The public breaths, but he's the least popular politician in America. Nancy 37 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:54,319 Pelosi finally stepped aside. She's still in Congress, but she stepped aside. 38 00:02:55,879 --> 00:03:02,080 It's it's an increasing embarrassment to the country to have leaders who are wandering the 39 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,479 hall of senile who don't know what they've voted for, who don't know where 40 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,080 they've been, as in the case of the fine Stein, who lose track 41 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,280 in the middle of a press conference. Like Mitch McConnell. We talked about 42 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,879 the I've talked about the polop hero before and the Soviet premiers, because there's 43 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,479 a constant joke amongst the Reagans and his staff that he couldn't even meet with 44 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:28,159 get to know Soviet premiers before they died. There was a string who died 45 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:34,240 repeatedly in office in the eighties. But if you're now Russia or she zingg 46 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,080 Ping, and you're looking towards the United States, you're seeing new kind of 47 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,479 incidents. What would you think? I mean, imagine if we looked at 48 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,319 that and we saw the Chinese leadership is freezing in the middle of a press 49 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:47,159 conference, you probably would never see it because they've covered it up somebody. 50 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,800 But we saw Pudin having a medical emergency like that, you'd say their leadership 51 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,280 is trail and I think there'd probably be probably be a correct assumption. So 52 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,319 that's that's the image that we project. And I've been reaching out to people 53 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:08,479 since this episode happened, with McConnell asking Dennis Staffer, is what they think 54 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:14,599 happens next? And you No one so far has said that they expected him 55 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:18,560 to simply step aside as as I certainly I think would if I was having 56 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,480 the embarrassment of moments like this, I don't think I'd want to be in 57 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:27,600 the public guy anymore. I'd rather be at home with my wife. Actually, 58 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,720 we hear this argument often trotted out. It made me think of this 59 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:36,759 Chris during presidential elections. I can think of Obama. Certainly with Trump there 60 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,120 was this argument from the other side. In fact, actually we saw a 61 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,560 little bit with Vivek Robin Swami and Nicky Haley is back and forth this fear 62 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:51,680 or this attempt to kind of fear monger about whether this person is capable of 63 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,800 representing the United States in foreign negotiations in times of foreign crisis, meaning on 64 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,519 the precipice of or And sometimes I do think it's fear mongering. I think 65 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,040 with Donald Trump there were legitimate concerns, but there was also fear mongering. 66 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,959 But I actually think these are This is a really serious question because it's the 67 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,879 question of like respect from foreign leaders and something that women who are negotiating, 68 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,199 female American negotiators who go into the Middle East and have to decide how to 69 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:29,040 present themselves deal with that question of condoles or ice. Famously is one person 70 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,560 who dealt with those challenges. But like, actually these are hugely consequential questions, 71 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:40,000 and whether a person is competent to complete a sentence present an accurate version 72 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,360 of the United States's position on an issue. One thing you didn't have to 73 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:47,160 fear with Donald Trump and Donald Trap was completely unpredictable and some people sort of 74 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,639 saw him as the Madman theory or fitting the Madman theory of politics that was 75 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,959 applied to Reagan. You know, you never knew what he was going to 76 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,279 do. The Soviets feared that Reagan was volatile and would you know, take 77 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,240 drastic measures in response to whatever they were, whatever they were up to, 78 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,920 that they couldn't They felt they couldn't predict exactly how he would counter. And 79 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,920 there was some of that with Donald Trump, and I almost did the Obiden 80 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,959 thing, like those those kind of cringe bumper stickers from like two thousand and 81 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,319 eight. But I will say with Obama there was a lack of experience, 82 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:27,120 absolutely, But with Joe Biden it's something completely different. It's it's none of 83 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:33,519 those things. It's an inability to give to garner trust from a world leader. 84 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,439 How can they trust someone who doesn't seem to know, who doesn't seem 85 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,600 like he will know what he's saying to you? You know? Ten minutes 86 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,600 later he said this week, he honest to goodness, said this week that 87 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,680 he was the guy who got strom Thurman to vote for the Civil Rights Act. 88 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,199 Joe Biden was twenty one at the time, nowhere near the Senate and 89 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,800 strom Thurman did not vote for the Civil Rights Act. I mean, now, 90 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:04,079 now it's sort of holds that onto foreign negotiations. What is happening behind 91 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:09,399 the scenes like that actually terrifies me. I assume it's all just a staff 92 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:15,120 and the Obama White House, which is has long been rumored to kind of 93 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,399 have a big impact on what's actually going on in the White House. President 94 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,519 Obama is one of the very few people under the very few former presidents who 95 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,959 didn't leave the city when he was done, lives up in Calorama and still 96 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:31,519 takes frequent meetings, it seems, reportedly with White House staff and senior staff, 97 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:38,800 but also they will be I mean, I assume that if you're a 98 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:41,959 Russian leader or a German leader or a French leader, in your meeting with 99 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:46,319 Joe Biden on camera in the background, you're you're having your top staff talk 100 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,160 of their top his top staff to get the actual assurances you need from someone 101 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,240 who doesn't fall asleep trying to photo shoot. And it makes me kind of 102 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,279 wonder who's running things in the Senate now. For a long time, Mitch 103 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,399 McConnell had an iron kind of grip on the Senate he's a master of it. 104 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,079 But when he had his medical leave of abens absence after falling in at 105 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:16,279 a DC hotel, reportedly the Senate grand brother smoothly and people found that they 106 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:22,600 didn't actually need need him there. And it seems like he's always he's he's 107 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:28,199 always been rather soft spoken, even once stern. He's not been allowed fast 108 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,159 talker for any point of time or I've ever followed his career. So maybe 109 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,120 he's actually really still quick and with it in between these episodes. But everything 110 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,720 I can see in the press conferences, it's clear that he's not quite as 111 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,679 forceful as he once was. And it makes me wonder how exactly the Senate 112 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:52,600 is being run and if he's if he's just kind of leader in name only. 113 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,279 And this also makes me think of your I mentioned your Telegraph article on 114 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,120 the Vike Rumaswami or earlier, and you've written in the past about dam Feinstein 115 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:05,720 and others, but in the Telegraph, but in this case you actually bring 116 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:11,320 up this perceived unseriousness of vavac Ramaswammy, which, by the way, I 117 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,000 think probably hit the belt Way, And when he struck that nerve with Nicky 118 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:20,679 Haley, I think he struck a thousand nerves and the doucers up nip zip 119 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,240 code. I said, dip nip zip code. It took me a while 120 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,919 to get there. And I'm not a good say Chris, you sound like 121 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:33,639 Joe Biden ironically, but Vavike Rama Swammy has this exchange with Nicky Haley and 122 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:37,960 Foreign policy where she basically calls him un serious. He has this I thought 123 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,679 incredible exchange with Mike Pence. For Mike Pence turned to him and said, 124 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,039 in the most hone def way, it's time for you know, it's not 125 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,759 time for a novice. It's time to put someone in the games who's been 126 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,200 there before, basically, and the way that lands on the American public. 127 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,679 I mean, this is interesting, Chris, because on the one hand, 128 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:01,080 you have these aging leaders who are not able to get through sentences to prevent 129 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:07,320 themselves from drifting to closed eye whatever Joe Biden was doing in Maui, which 130 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,080 was just embarrassing on an international scale. Diane Feinstein, Miss McConnell, I 131 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,600 mean, the list goes on and on. Nancy Pelosi is the only one 132 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,120 that had had some decency to take a step back, even though she's still 133 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,559 in Congress. But all of that said, there's also this discustion of like, 134 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,480 well, do we have people in positions of power, I mean that 135 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,320 on the corporate level, the government level, the media level to step in 136 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,919 and be serious. What's your take on whether the vakee can do that? 137 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,279 I don't have a lot of confidence that he could well tell us what you 138 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,200 wrote about, tell us what you wrote about. So he's impressive. There's 139 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,720 no doubt that he's intelligent, incredibly so there's no doubt that he's extremely hard 140 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,200 working. He's an hustler. He goes he doesn't turn down any media hit. 141 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,879 It didn't really spent that much money in his campaign, and he's a 142 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,600 but he just hasn't said no to podcast, the Fox Business, to Fox 143 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,320 News, is the NBC at CNN and these channels. But half him on 144 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:15,639 repeatedly because you know, unlike a normal Republican candidate, profess who goes through 145 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,960 that normal speech of on my first day in office, I'll and they list 146 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,360 off like six unrealistick things. I'll just stand the Department of Education. I'll 147 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,159 make it so that the Constitution is enforced. He actually thought I was going 148 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,320 to talk about whatever idea is up and he'll debate them on anything, and 149 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,080 he's good at that. And he's also got he likes storing rocks at orthodoxies. 150 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,440 And it reminds me a lot of Donald Trump, who's of course much 151 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:46,919 older, but who earned, like really earned his earned media. Who would 152 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,240 who would get the booze of the people and the audiences the debates by challenging 153 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:58,639 America's wars abroad or challenging America's free trade regime and calling for more protectionist measures 154 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:05,080 tariffs at center. Remember the meltdowns over his NATO stands. Yeah, I 155 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,679 mean to see people who I used to work with and then worked at that 156 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,240 point, I worked in the corporate media, people who probably couldn't have told 157 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,519 you before Donald Trump talked about NATO what NATO stood for, explaining like with 158 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,759 this extremely competent tone, how Donald Trump's move was endangering NATO and endangering global 159 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,480 security was just shocking. I mean, jeez, I just I just saw 160 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:35,759 one of those reporters who lecturing Veka Ramas farming on nine to eleven the other 161 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,360 day, who like was in first grade during nine to eleven. It didn't 162 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,279 seem to have any kind of deep understanding of that day last time we spoke 163 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,320 about it a few years ago. But they're the gatekeepers. Now you're talking, 164 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,799 of course about your good friend on Lemon. Yeah, we used to 165 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,320 hang out in those long island bars. You know. Don't tell my wife, 166 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,360 she knows so. But so rebeccas all the interesting things. He throws 167 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,519 things out in Ukraine. I mean, if, like all carn and Garry 168 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,120 experts in the room, we have to fight Russia and Ukraine so that we 169 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,360 don't have to fight China and Taiwan or else, we'll fight them here, 170 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,759 which is just like it reminds me Oft used to call the European conflict the 171 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:20,039 Great Game between England and France Spain. And it's like if the Great Game 172 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,519 was played by people who grown up under power lines, eating lead paint and 173 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,120 just have worn't that intelligent. Maybe a couple of knocks off the head, 174 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,080 and there's like Ukraine did finish Taiwan or otherwise Russians were on Dade DC, 175 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,519 and like just because Chris Christy says it loudly, well you know, little 176 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,519 miss Afghan women's rights Snicky Hailey says it solidly, it doesn't mean it's true. 177 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,159 It's like kind of a I think it's honest face silly opinion. But 178 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:50,919 they're all attacking Veg for saying, hey, maybe this isn't something we should 179 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,840 be pushing for, or when he talks about I mean, we're at a 180 00:13:54,879 --> 00:14:01,399 point in America right now where after lockdowns and the eyes about the vaccine which 181 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:03,600 didn't work and actually turned out to be kind of dangerous, and the lies 182 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:09,600 about the Hunter Biden laptop and those lies about UFOs, and there's really just 183 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,919 there's no stomach in the American people to take the well, this is the 184 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,879 party line, how dare you question it? Approach, which folks in corporate 185 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:24,000 media and a lot of Republican and Democratic candidates politicians they're still doing. They're 186 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,960 still saying, how dare you question this? But they've got no credibility. 187 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,360 So some of like Vivekas perfectly situated if they work hard and they're intelligent and 188 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,360 they're willing to debate, to question it, and kind of in the tradition 189 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,080 also of like a Tucker or John Stewart, are are even a Chris Christi 190 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,399 back of the day. He's willing to go into the lions den and debate 191 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,360 these people face to face and often comes out on top. And whether you're 192 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:56,120 a Bernie Sander supporter or Donald Trump supporter, you'd like to see your guy 193 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:01,000 win against the people you watched on TV every day and the people you get 194 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,480 angry at. I'm really glad you went in that direction and also finish your 195 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,639 thought because I was going to launch into a tear rate. Well, so 196 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,639 I was like, all that comes together? Does that mean that? Like? 197 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,919 So, I think that back Ramaswami would have come naturally to the conclusions 198 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,840 you have of a the American political moment if this was not hot fire right 199 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,519 now. No, not at all. I don't think that you would be 200 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,919 saying this stuff if you're running for president twenty twelve, which is why I 201 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,759 answered in the negative at the beginning of this. But yeah, the formidable 202 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:35,720 and interesting, intelligent person who's steal in the spotlight from stupid politicians and is 203 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:43,440 that really upsetting them? Yes, and I'd like to see it. 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Yeah, well, this presents of a pretty legitimate problem for populists, 222 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,960 and not just populists, people who are sincerely focused on the problem of 223 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,799 the political establishment, which could potentially include centrists and independents and those coalitions, 224 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:14,039 which is that it's a much smaller problem. I'll preface this by saying, 225 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,799 than the root problem here, which is that you have a vacuum that is 226 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,599 being created by elites. Like when you were talking, I was just trying 227 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,480 to organize my thoughts and I wrote down un serious populism is a direct response 228 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:33,559 to insistent and persistent elite failure. So if elites continue to prop up, 229 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,359 if your best candidate is Joe Biden in twenty twenty, a dude who is 230 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:45,920 completely compromised by foreign entanglements, c nile and a serial liar, somebody who 231 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,279 has dropped out of previous presidential campaigns because he simply couldn't cut it in voters 232 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,359 minds. But you're propping up you know, Republicans are offering Donald Trump, 233 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,680 who's flawed in a million different ways from some voters perspectives. Right, there's 234 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,440 some who are they're so polarized by the figure of Donald Trump, and for 235 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,839 some understandable reasons. You know, we're talking about those suburban women who have 236 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,119 have moral sort of quandaries with Donald Trump or other people. I don't mean 237 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,680 to, you know, be a female misogynist, but there are people that 238 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:21,680 have the majority of Americans think Donald Trump is too old and possibly a criminal 239 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,640 work too old, but he's got a lot of negatives. Yeah, yeah, 240 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,319 yeah, you're right, and that's yes. But if your two options 241 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:37,480 are widen and Donald Trump for for changing the country, what you're gonna get 242 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,920 is the fake Ramaswamy. And if you're Mike Pence, and again the campaign 243 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,519 that Mike Pences is running, he absolutely has to respond to the vake, 244 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,759 same with Nikki Haley in the way that they did. But that way I 245 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,640 think is really telling misread of where the Republican elector it is not just the 246 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,640 Republican base, but going back to Ross Perot, there is this, uh, 247 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,839 there is this curio and kind of hunger among a big group of American 248 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,799 voters for political outsiders that have different experience that actually, when Mike Pence is 249 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,799 touting his bona fides as an insider are going to be turned off and not 250 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,039 turned on politically by what you're offering. And so I think it's a challenge 251 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:26,319 for populists too to present serious ideas and to present serious people with those serious 252 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:33,359 ideas. But that task is made significantly more difficult by elites who, like 253 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:40,200 Mitch McConnell is another fantastic example, by elites who cling to power do nothing 254 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:48,200 with that power other than essentially enrich their friends and perpetuate the system. If 255 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,720 that's the case, then you are going to get on serious people stepping into 256 00:19:53,759 --> 00:20:00,079 that vacuum, because you are making people angrier and angrier and angrier. And 257 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,279 for the rest of us that are just sort of squeezed in the middle, 258 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:06,400 it's like, well, I have like the bike may be a silly guy, 259 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,039 even though he does. I think Chris's he's very He's running a very 260 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:14,960 smart, sort of savvy media campaign. He may be silly as a presidential 261 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,519 candidate, right as though, like he's not going to be the nominee. 262 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:25,039 I think we all get that. But at the same time, Republicans just 263 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:30,400 throwing Chris Christie and the media throwing Chris Christie and Nicki Haley and Mike Pence, 264 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,039 the's bones that they don't deserve. I mean, you are making this 265 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,160 situation so much worse. You are basically what is the phrase of, like 266 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,039 I'm not even gonna try to I'm gonna batch it. But you're you're you're 267 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,680 going to be You're pointing a load of gun at yourself, basically like this 268 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,079 is going to come back to you. Yeah, they put up bad people, 269 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:57,480 the Democrats and Republicans alike put up bad people, and they get surprise 270 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:03,039 candidates because of it. I mean, I don't I think the Trump presidency 271 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,559 could have been significantly more successful. It was still great success in a lot 272 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,079 of different ways, and I really like the way that he pushed the goop 273 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,960 in twenty sixteen. But there's no shot you would have had a Donald Trump 274 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:19,079 presidency if you had a competent Conservative party that actually entered American people. There's 275 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,920 no way you'd have had a Bernie Sanders. Socialists nearly take over the Democratic 276 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Party if you did kind of face have felt listened to by their leaders. 277 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,880 And there's a populist There's a problem the populists have, which is they're young, 278 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,680 and they're prone. They're looking for champions so they're more probably prone to 279 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:45,039 get behind an operator who may not share all of their views. But all 280 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,440 the political parties do suffer from that. I think if you're you know, 281 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:53,559 I wrote the story for the Telegraph because they were looking to try to explain 282 00:21:53,799 --> 00:22:00,279 Ramaswami as he part of the new h what's the word us where the parties 283 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:07,000 are just kind of changing realignment? Is he? Is he a realignment candidate? 284 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,400 Yeah? Realignment. By the way, I'm not going to cut that 285 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,119 out, but Chris was about to ask for a pause so that he could 286 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,920 remember the word realignment. Just let that be on the record. Yeah, 287 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,359 a couple of days of blue medicine, I had him a connel moment, 288 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:27,000 So you didn't say nip nip zip code like I did earlier. So but 289 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,640 you know it is Rebecca realignment candidate. No, I mean, is he 290 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:37,640 like JD. Vance out there working with Elizabeth Warren to try and push different 291 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,599 kinds of new regulations on banks. No, he's not really doing any of 292 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,640 that stuff. But did you read it, and it's interesting. Did you 293 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,920 read his piece in The American Conservative this week where he laid out essentially the 294 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,400 Ramaswami doctrine as I saw one person put it where he really came out hard 295 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:03,279 on the against the foreign policy establishments, census on Ukraine and even on China. 296 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,440 He basically said, I would immediately seed territory that Putin has won to 297 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,559 Putin. It was pretty it was pretty hardcore and interesting. I don't know, 298 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,160 I don't know what you make of that. Yeah, I think it's 299 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,799 foreign policy stuff is very interesting. It goes against the blob completely, but 300 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,720 a lot of it does seem really it echoes a lot of what Tucker has 301 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,119 been saying over the years, and it infurious people in DC and in my 302 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,079 opinion, infuriates all the right people. I like it. Yeah, well, 303 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,839 no, actually that's a really I think it's a good take because it's 304 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,200 not like in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, if some of those Republican candidates 305 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,400 and people who I think have gotten who have been changed. Now if you 306 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,319 look at Marco Rubio's book, and we had him on the podcast last year 307 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359 or talk about some of this, but his most recent book, he talks 308 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,400 about how the twenty sixteen campaign really changed him. And you've seen, I 309 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,200 mean in the policies, his policy agenda and the bills that he's proposed to 310 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,960 the way he talks. The things that he's worked on since then has substantially, 311 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,839 I would argue, changed. I don't think it's gotten any less conservative. 312 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440 If anything, I think you can argue it's gotten more conservative and more 313 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,799 thoughtful. But that really changed some of those candidates. On the other hand, 314 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,599 it actually made a lot of other people like dig in further and further. 315 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,680 But you don't get the potency that Donald Trump had in twenty fifteen, 316 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,680 the electricity that Donald Trump had in twenty fifteen. If you have people talking 317 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,759 like DeSantis and Vavec are talking now, which is when DeSantis was given that 318 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,880 question about Oliver Anthony, he came out and said America is in decline. 319 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,240 They would not have talked like that. Trump was the only one talking like 320 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:48,240 that that wasn't trying to channel the sunny optimism of Ronald Reagan's reelection campaign in 321 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,720 nineteen eighty four, which they all some of them still seem to be doing. 322 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,119 It's another and interesting change between Vavec and Mike Pence from the debate, 323 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,720 But none of them were talking that way back in twenty fifteen. In twenty 324 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,279 six team and some of them are now but you never would have gotten Donald 325 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:11,720 Trump. So to the establishment, sort of many years of whining, what 326 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:19,279 have they done to prevent populists, imperfect populists, not populists in general, 327 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:26,680 but sort of imperfect populists that may veer into a genuinely questionable territory? What 328 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,440 have they done to prevent that? They have actually made it so much worse 329 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,000 because they have started using all of the technological and government tools at their disposal 330 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,039 to spy on average Americans. Instead of actually trying to address these problems, 331 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,480 they've just said, we need more control, we need to trust voters less, 332 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,400 we need to spy on them, control them, sensor their language, 333 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,519 a sensor what they're able to share and post. And that's been their response. 334 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,000 And we're in a dangerous spot. I mean, my fear as a 335 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,440 Donald Trump is and Joe Biden are going to be the nominees. And Trump's 336 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,119 got a pretty hard cling for us the votes he's able to get, which 337 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,160 probably means that America stays with Joe Biden, which is going to be eight 338 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:18,400 years of a country that's ready to blow having no release for that pressure. 339 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,279 I mean, that's a good point. It's obvious that pressure started to push 340 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:30,599 out and really release in twenty sixteen race Bernie Sanders a surprise near win and 341 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:37,559 Trump's surprise primary win and then shocking election win. And I didn't feel like 342 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,519 at the end by twenty twenty that the pressure in this country had gotten any 343 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,680 kind of relief. And now we're just bothering it up with an old dusty 344 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:52,960 cork and it's going to get worse before before it get better. Anything else 345 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480 you want to mention on this Before we get to the questions, Chris, 346 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 we want to thank everyone first for sending their emails over to Radio the Federalist 347 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,920 dot com. And I'm going to start with one from Victoria and Mike Pasco 348 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,839 in Jupiter, Florida. I love those two. All Right, there you 349 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,400 go, Chris, they say, fan of the pod, and I have 350 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,119 an upcoming. I have a question for the upcoming Chris Bedford Ama, if 351 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:18,559 he could create a new federal holiday holiday, what would it be and when 352 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:26,599 would it be? Easy? Election day? Better a holiday no one has 353 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:33,160 work. Also, there's no early voting. I agree with that completely, 354 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:40,759 Wow over completely. Yeah, that's that's that is such a good answer, 355 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,039 because I thought you were going to go with something funny, and you went 356 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,960 with something serious, so serious and accurate that it became funny. No. 357 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,759 I mean, we could have volunteers to help the elderly of your vote in 358 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:55,599 the second vote, and we could have volunteers. It's like there's certain mandatory 359 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,359 infrastruct that needs to be maintained, and those people wouldn't beble to get the 360 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,559 day off, like bus drivers, subway drivers from the city. They would 361 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,640 need to find some way to get the vote to them. But we need 362 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,559 to just end this three month voting bs and have that. I could not 363 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,440 agree more beautifully better answer for Michael Victoria, their old neighbors of mine in 364 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,640 right front and listeners, the poor people. I thought you were going to 365 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,799 say the airing of the grievances. That's a great holiday. But I kind 366 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:33,839 of do that a lot. I don't know if it should be right ugly 367 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,400 quick thought. I mean the other option is you could have said something Catholic. 368 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,920 Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously the across the Tiver Submit 369 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:52,240 and Repent day, I'm sorry, I can't, like I can't do your 370 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,079 dentists appointment that day. It's across the time verse submit and Repent day. 371 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:03,480 I celebrate the Federal across the type, submit and repente. The Amish market 372 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,640 in Annapolis is closed on the feast of the Ascension, and I don't know 373 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,440 that was a pretty good one. Make ascension great again. You could even 374 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:17,799 keep just the MAGA right there. I have another question here from Jack in 375 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,599 Massachusetts, your home state, Chris. Jack says Emily, as always, 376 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,359 I thoroughly enjoyed your August fourth Federalist Radio Are with Chris Bedford. That weekly 377 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,519 show is always worth a listen for the many insights you should provide, as 378 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,640 well as for all of the labs. But I want for sure I thank 379 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920 you Jack. That's so nice. Jack continues, but I want to elaborate 380 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,400 on something Chris talked about American exceptionalism. When Barack Obama opined that America is 381 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,119 no more exceptional than any other country, he missed the point, and I 382 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,200 think Chris did as well. That's my favorite point part of the email. 383 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,720 American exceptionalism is not a superlative, despite Obama spin. It is not saying 384 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,000 that our country is better than any other, although I think it is. 385 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,160 But that's beside. Think of the core words of the Declaration of Independence. 386 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,839 We hold these trees to be self evident, that all men are created equal, 387 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,079 that they're endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these 388 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,960 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In the eighteenth century, 389 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,680 and most countries were ruled by kings who were the final arbiter of their people's 390 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,319 rights. The people were beholden to the king and restricted in what they could 391 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,400 and could not do without us leave. Our forefathers turned that notion on its 392 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440 head and said, no, people derived their natural rights from God, not 393 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,119 a king. Then they built on that notion in the founding of the country, 394 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,279 the creation of the Constitution, and in particular the Bill of Rights, 395 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,920 which laid down the clear right line between people's rights and what the government could 396 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680 not do and could not take away. In that sense, in the era 397 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,319 of kings reigning over their people from on high, to build a new nation 398 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:41,119 on natural rights was the exception to the rule of the day, hence American 399 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,960 exceptionalism. That's a good point. What do you make of it, Chris? 400 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:45,680 I think it's a great point. I wish I had said it as 401 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:52,599 clearly as Jack did. Thanks JACKO. Yeah, they we came together at 402 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,960 a country given to us by God. I think with people who God lined 403 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,720 up, I don't think that. I don't think Kamas Jefferson self could have 404 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:07,039 could have delivered the form of government had nor Hamilton himself or Adams himself. 405 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:12,839 They were all integral people, and they were brought together importantly to figure this 406 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,240 out and to put together a nation that was self governed, where rights were 407 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,519 derived from God, not from the States. So yeah, I agree with 408 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:27,319 Jack. Can we keep it, of course yes, of course, really 409 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,640 well tailored for creating government that works with good men, but it seems less 410 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,640 well tailored to creating good men themselves. Yeah, And I think you can 411 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:45,720 also interestingly make an argument for British exceptionalism on that count too, although just 412 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,920 in the way that you know, the our forefathers were were British for the 413 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:56,519 most work, and they were exceptional British, Yes exactly. I was gonna 414 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,519 say. They were the inheritors of a tradition that was becoming what it was, 415 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,079 a germ of what it became in the United States of America. But 416 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:08,920 of course we have the claim to is that exception, as Edmund Burke would 417 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,319 probably grant Chris, English had it all backwards. They had a lunatic feeble 418 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:21,279 king running around giving orders the gencium account that everyone worth. We have Donald 419 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,799 Trump and Joe Biden, at least now, at least now we do then 420 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:31,720 we had George Washington. Probably probably, I don't want to make any again, 421 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,400 I don't want to speak in generality, so but I would say probably 422 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,599 a better president than Joe Biden. I think. I think one of the 423 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:44,400 greatest men who ever lived, the the lunchman that finally made the whole thing 424 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,839 work, the surrendering of the Continental Army to the Congress and then the surrendering 425 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:57,039 of the presidency of the people. On a scale, would I make it 426 00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,559 all the way to his house on my bike because I'm not direct? In 427 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,599 your little shorts, they make a good drink over there. So on a 428 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440 scale of Franklin Pierce. On a scale Franklin Pierce to George Washington, where 429 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:16,599 would you put Joe Biden? Probably top? All right, This is a 430 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,720 question for Gregory, who coined the Big Bee, by the way, the 431 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,319 nickname for Chris that I simply can't get enough of. Gregory asked for the 432 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,920 best Wisconsin food, and I'll answer that because it's been on my mind since 433 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,880 the debate was in Milwaukee recently, and I had a lot of friends in 434 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,640 media and the conservative movement more broadly that we're asking me for recommendations. And 435 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,640 I get a lot of people who ask me for the recommendations for best cheese 436 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,559 curds, like cheese curds in Wisconsin, and I give the same answer every 437 00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,000 time. People are always expecting me to give them like some dive bar. 438 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,079 And it's true, you can get really good fried cheese curds at a dive 439 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:02,039 bar. But my answer is honestly the best, the consistently best cheese curds 440 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:06,279 in the state of Wisconsin. All Right, Calvers, go to a Calvers. 441 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:14,320 You don't need to go tuck into some interesting actually secretly Wisconsinantia possibly able, 442 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,280 like the real local place is a chain. It's a chain that's you 443 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,559 can also find them in like Arizona or Florida, but it is a Wisconsin 444 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:28,679 company. It's a great Wisconsin company. And I'm telling you they're really good 445 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,280 about locally sourcing their food. If you've wondered why Calvers generally taste better than 446 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,400 other fast food for one of the reasons is that they're they're pretty good about 447 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,719 sourcing their food locally, but it's in all sincerity. The the Wisconsin cheese 448 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,199 curds at Calvers, those are some of the best that you can that you 449 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,280 can get. I haven't had them in other states, so I don't know 450 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:52,280 if this applies to you. If you're states, I'm sure there are no 451 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:59,519 bags of cheese at Ature, but these are deep fried. These are deep 452 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,039 fried. So I'm not sure if the Calvers and other states have the cheese 453 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,239 curds on the menu, but I'm saying I haven't tried them. If they 454 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,840 do have them on the menu, I've only tried the men Wisconsin and they 455 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:15,360 are delicious. So ill said the Wisconsin steak clubs, Yeah, the Wisconsin 456 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,079 supper clubs. There's still a video on the internet. We only did that 457 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,119 like last year, Chris of the Wisconsin supper club menu that you and I 458 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:29,719 are prepared and man, by the end of that preparation was everybody drunk. 459 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,800 It took so long the Wisconsin why, yeah, no, exactly, it 460 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:42,639 was perfect. We have another question for you from Gregory. This is actually 461 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:49,760 pretty interesting. You are in and around political groups and politicians a lot. 462 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,280 How many are quote in the hot tub? How many? Not any attribute 463 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,440 like personal wealth, religions, state of resident attribute seemed to be determinations to 464 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,840 engage in hot tubury and Gregor here is referring to since Chris and I are 465 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,840 both involved in the National Journalism Center, which was founded by Stan Evans, 466 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,840 the famous writer. I'm sent Evans the phrase that Evans coined, which is 467 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,519 that DC is like a hot tub basically, right, what's the exact phrase. 468 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,280 I need to look it up. Politicians come to DC calling it a 469 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,159 swamp and then they find it's a hot tub. Yeah, they find it's 470 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:25,039 more of a hot tub. So, Chris, what is your take on 471 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,360 how many of people in the Beltway are actually kind of in the hot tub? 472 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,920 I would say the majority, the majority of people here. They enjoy 473 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,559 their lives there, they have they raise their kids here. They're disconnected a 474 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,599 lot of the times from home here have some of those politicians who do go 475 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:49,559 back and forth every single weekend. But I mean, look through the list 476 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,360 of US senators just pulled up on Wikipedia and read through it and tell you 477 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760 and ask yourself how many of those names you even like? How many of 478 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,000 those people would you recognize in the street, even if you follow a politics 479 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,920 all the time. Wait, less than half would you actually know? And 480 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,239 so who are those people? What are they doing? You know, why 481 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,079 are they here in Washington, DC? Is because they get to be a 482 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,280 senator. What's the last thing they did? When when whenever you see a 483 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,920 politician resigning or leaving office, and you see all these lootics coming their way, 484 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,800 which are like, yeah, you know they did so much, they 485 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,480 really cared for veterans, but you don't actually hear something that's like specific, 486 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,719 or they cared for the four the downtrodden, but there's no actual bill. 487 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:36,800 You have to ask yourself what were they doing here the whole time? And 488 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,360 if they're that kind of person, then you can say, well, they're 489 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,960 probably a hot top person as opposed to some other senators. I think maybe 490 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,199 Holly Vans. A couple others come to mind, who are just don't You 491 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,719 don't see them out of the parties. The parties are over in general anyways. 492 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,760 You see them traveling home, you see them with their families, and 493 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,920 you see them trying to pass bills. Those are the ones who I think 494 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,360 actually here to make a difference. Yeah, and you're a good person to 495 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,159 ask this question too, because you've been here for a while, not just 496 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,400 because you're old, but also, like me, you went to school here 497 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,119 and so you've you've really that gives you a different perspective too, because you 498 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,159 meet all kinds of people when you go to school here that end up working 499 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,840 in the city that you wouldn't if you just work on sort of one side 500 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,719 of the so the proverbial aisle, if you're on the left or the right. 501 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,000 But I want to actually even add a different, like a tag on 502 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,440 question to this question, which is about how many good people you know that 503 00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:37,559 are in the hot tub? And I feel like one thing that was clarifying 504 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,639 about the Trump era is it became very obvious. You know an Applebama wrote 505 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,400 a whole book about this from the other direction, like she she wrote a 506 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,440 whole book this woman who like routinely gets facts wrong, but wrote a whole 507 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,760 book about all her friends how all her friends like went crazy. But on 508 00:38:53,800 --> 00:39:00,199 that note, you know, it is interesting that it's very easy even for 509 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,960 decent people, I think, to get sucked into bad work here. And 510 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,440 I feel like I see that all the time, even if you sort of 511 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,679 win o your social circle, and it's it has been clarified sort of in 512 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:15,039 the Trump era because the Apple bombs exposed themselves for what they really were all 513 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,800 along. But at the same time, you know, it's a spectrum, 514 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,159 right, everything is. You know, there's a spectrum of compromise involved. 515 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:30,599 Well. Politicians and journalists and congressional staffers and the like. They live here 516 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:37,480 in Washington, DC are among the only people in America who interact far outside 517 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:43,199 of their own class. I mean, most people who aren't billionaires don't meet 518 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440 many billionaires kind of running their own circles. If you're like a bartender and 519 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:52,960 Jackson Hole something like you're a lift operator and aspen, you don't really meet 520 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,360 these people and actually talk to them, are going to their homes ever, 521 00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,800 And even those guys don't. In DC, you do. And DC have 522 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,880 all these rich suburbs around in the whole area. You don't realize it until 523 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,519 you take off in an airplane. I don't really not cloudy day and not 524 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,840 hazy day, or have you ever had the opportunity to have My friends are 525 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,639 pilots licenses, so you can hop in with them sometimes take a little prop 526 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,480 plane up and you see it just half an hour forty feminists inside of DC. 527 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,159 You can't see it from the road or the highway really, but just 528 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:28,039 the unending golf courses anxious and the pools, and those aren't really owned by 529 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:32,800 senators and politicians. Really, those are owned by lobbyists and arms dealers and 530 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,280 literally and different people who made their fortune here in DC. And those other 531 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,920 people, the journalists and the staffers and the politicians who are constantly rubbing hands 532 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,679 with these guys, don't to wonder why aren't I rich? I mean, 533 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,039 all these rich people want to talk to me. All these rich people need 534 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,800 my attention. Why aren't I rich? And they look around for ways to 535 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,800 get rich? And there are ways to do it. If you're willing to 536 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,159 sell yourself, you can get if you've got a good experience, years of 537 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:07,960 experience in journalism, your experience politicking, you can sign up with a pharmaceutical 538 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,760 company and Mike and you're willing to work hard. You can make a lot 539 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,239 of money really quickly, as long as you don't really care what you're actually 540 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,199 selling. And I think people fall into that trap. It's just it's very 541 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:22,719 humans. It's envy. I mean, it's their whole songs about it, 542 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,360 mister and missus SMI you know, the movie about it, but the comparison 543 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:31,239 Johnny Cash Willie Nelson Excuse Me has a song about this in the song Looking 544 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,559 Back Texas. But you don't really compete with things. You don't rub against 545 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,960 it, you don't see for very few people do. And if you're constantly 546 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,599 exposed to the wealth and other things, I think the temptation is stronger, 547 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:49,159 and it's very strong in in DC and and the devil's just waiting there with 548 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,519 the contracts. A sign here like basically around every corner looking Back Texas, 549 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:58,519 by the way, is whalon I think Willie's on the song That's so Whalen 550 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,039 and Willie You're right, yeah, Willie and Willie and the boys. The 551 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,480 other part of that question I want to ask, because actually this is actually 552 00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:09,800 kind of an important question as a tag on to Gregory's question, is how 553 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,639 you personally prevent yourself from going down that road, because I do think, 554 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,239 you know, I remember what it was like to sort of grow up in 555 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,360 Wisconsin and look at everything that was happening in New York and DC, and 556 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,000 you know, it's it's much easier to sort of attribute some of these things 557 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,480 to like shadowy conspiracies when you like don't see up close so much of it 558 00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:37,119 as incompetence and numbers. It's, yeah, exactly like they're conspiring, but 559 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:42,880 they're just too dumb to do anything that's like a great conspiracy. So how 560 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,920 do you ensure that you don't become, you know, the sort of type 561 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:55,199 of person you criticize all day. There's a couple of ways my sin of 562 00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,519 pride is worse than my sin of envy. I like my job. I 563 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:07,239 like what I do more than I've got the bug for greed. I also 564 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,719 looked at Peter pan lifestyle for most of my early years, where I haven't 565 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,360 had to provide until very recently. That's like the first time I've ever heard 566 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:22,079 you make that point. That is a really beautiful moment of a poignant moment 567 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,599 of self reflection. Chris, Yeah, I've I mean, it's not like 568 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,920 I've needed to add an extra room out of my house. I'm taking care 569 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,800 of myself, which is not a bad thing, by the way, something 570 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,400 a lot of good people tended to not do but end up doing. Never 571 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,280 added a room for your family. I'm a seven year old back then. 572 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,400 And also here's another thing that's a really good guard of it. I'm not 573 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:52,480 very good at it. That's true, but I didn't mean it's true of 574 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,599 you. I think you actually are good at it. Like you used to 575 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,679 throw these Christmas parties. I would have hundreds of people. Granted they were 576 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,639 mostly like anti establishment type of folks, but I think you're good at it. 577 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239 But yeah, I feel like maybe you're not good at keeping up a 578 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,440 facade. I could do the socializing easily. I can walk into a bar 579 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,159 and make friends with someone at the bar within moments if I want to, 580 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,440 or I can. I can get along with a group of people who I 581 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,280 don't like or don't even respect and not really let them know it. But 582 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,760 could I could I sit across from a corporate client at a board meeting and 583 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,679 say all the right things and not get really annoyed and then actually put my 584 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,880 heart and grow press release. I don't know that'd be hard. I really 585 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:42,679 really writing in palms and things that don't come naturally, so like, yeah, 586 00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:44,679 I have to actually really care about it to want to do it, 587 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,960 And yeah, no, I think that's fair. I'm just thinking of my 588 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,920 own situation. I would say. Also, looking at fame in the era 589 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,599 of like twenty fifteen, too, now that you know, really the era 590 00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,480 of social media and cancel culture and everything and sort of seeing it up close 591 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:05,880 and personal in DC makes you want no part of it, which is another 592 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,239 thing. I mean, I think that sort of desperate thirst for fame drives 593 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:14,159 people to do irrational and immoral things in Washington, DC. And that could 594 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,519 be media fame, it could be political fame, it could be a claim, 595 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:22,119 you know, as an essayst whatever it is, those sorts of as 596 00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,519 fame. Always, as the cliche goes, it does push you to to 597 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:30,519 compromise. You know, not everybody, but it does create incentives to compromise 598 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:37,119 your values. Of course, yes, I always tell our journalism of students, 599 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,159 you know, don't sell out. Now, why would you. You're 600 00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:44,480 not responsible for anyone. You're at an age where you can live in an 601 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,119 apartment with two of your friends in a single bedroom, like and figure it 602 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,239 out, Like you can take that low paying job that actually does put you 603 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,679 in the career path you want when you're older. You don't have that option. 604 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,239 I mean, even if he was reelectant, For example, Senator Rick 605 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,880 Santorum couldn't provide for his amily, especially with some of the special needs they 606 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,440 have some of the children. As a US senator, it's like no longer 607 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,119 an option. Now it's gonna shield for big tech. And he's doing that 608 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,480 to take care of his family. So sometimes like that's not always the worst 609 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:14,159 reasons. Some people just can no longer do it by the realities of having 610 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,480 to provide for and he's got some special special needs and his family and other 611 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400 politicians have also done the same where they're like, oh, yeah, I'd 612 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,199 love to people keep on doing this, but I've got eight kids and some 613 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,639 of them need constant care or thank you like that, And I don't know 614 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:35,000 the specifics are of that, but it's tough to walk that line once once 615 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,920 you leave the straight Now, yeah, it's tough to like actually exist in 616 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,400 American politics. That's a sort of in a in DC in New York and 617 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:51,000 continue to like be be batting, you know, or let's just say going, 618 00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,559 uh, you know, ten for ten on not compromising your values. 619 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,480 That would be boreal and impossible. And sometimes there are reasons that you know, 620 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:00,960 you can go in either direction. But that's actually a good reminder Chris 621 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,000 not to you know, from the outside judge everybody's circumstances, because I do 622 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:12,000 know people who work for places that I would never ever ever think it's possible 623 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,920 to work without compromising, who are changing those institutions from the inside out in 624 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,920 ways that they desperately need. This is a huge point of contention during the 625 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,079 Trump administration, where you know, there was this whole idea that it was 626 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,320 you you're serving an evil master if you go to work for Donald Trump. 627 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,320 But there's some really smart, talented people that went and worked for that administration 628 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,119 that prevented bad things from happening, that created good things that did happen, 629 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,400 created the conditions that allowed good things to happen. I longed to tell to 630 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,519 people who work for Trump, be he needed more of them, right, 631 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,000 all the right ideas. Most of the staff were savage, telligent and left 632 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:52,679 the rights. Yeah, that's anonymous people. That's a fair point. But 633 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,480 also I think for both of us answer to that too is faith. We 634 00:47:54,679 --> 00:48:00,880 are constantly reminded as practicing Christians that money isn't gonna get you anywhere at the 635 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,840 end of the day, and we have a much more important purpose than fame 636 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,679 or money or the acclaim of the current political establishment. That's that's on the 637 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,639 line. When you say you can value a staying glass window. But you'd 638 00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:19,400 better include the part we're to ask people to cry for you, because there 639 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,840 you go. All right, we have two more. One is just a 640 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,039 comment from Dennis who this is for Molly and me, says Molly and Emily, 641 00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,880 you should do a segment on your show called PSA for Times readers dedicated 642 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,280 to the important work of helping readers in the New York Times and viewers of 643 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,119 CNN et cetera keep up with all the news that they have. Is Dennis, 644 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,119 this is a great idea. Someone should do it. I personally, 645 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,800 there aren't enough hours in the day, I don't think taking and to give 646 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,199 the readers of the New York Times all of the accurate information that they would 647 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,039 have liked, the half of the thing you should read about today that you 648 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:57,280 really should have. That's true. John Ferry writes in and says he really 649 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,320 liked an episode that we did on ESG, but also says you should consider 650 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,079 doing a video podcast. And I wanted to answer this comment because Chris, 651 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,559 for a while we did do basically every early in the pandemic, basically every 652 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,239 episode of Federalist Radio Hour was on video, and you and I spent the 653 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,400 last two years doing a video podcast at least once a week. But I 654 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:29,119 have to say we are shadow band on Google and so you know, this 655 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,519 is like pretty decent content for YouTube, and Federal Stradio Hour could be pretty 656 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:37,519 decent content for YouTube if we put the time into it that we would need 657 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,519 to, because you know it, actually the threshold is a little bit lower 658 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:44,519 now and to kind of do a really high quality product and make it work. 659 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,760 But A, we're shadow band, and B. I think one of 660 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,480 the things that people don't totally realize about the Federals is that we're tiny. 661 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,280 We don't even have We have like one of the most popular politics podcasts in 662 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,480 the country, and we don't even have a full time producer. It's we 663 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,679 don't even have like a professional audio person. We have chairs and a table 664 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,280 on a liquor cabinet exactly. We have our very hard working producer, Jordan 665 00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:15,920 Boyd, who does a fantastic job. But yeah, we we don't have 666 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,039 a full time social media digital person audio person. We are and we like 667 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,519 it that way. I would say, Chris, because it gives us, 668 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,320 I think, an edge and may you know, everybody is really in it 669 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:37,559 for the purpose and nobody's well Madeline did it before. Jordan's so outsourced. 670 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,119 What do you think about that, Chris, you want to get back on 671 00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:49,000 video more? Yeah? Sure, there actually are a lot of Chris Bedford 672 00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,719 fans out there. Well, this is our way to sort of close out 673 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,199 the summer. We thank everybody for listening, Thank everybody for sending their thoughts. 674 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,559 Again, you can always send those over to radio at the Federals dot 675 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,480 com. We do check them pretty regularly. Chris. Any final thoughts as 676 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,920 we head into Labor Day weekend we close out this summer. Anything on your 677 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,119 mind? No, I think that. I think we're ready to go. 678 00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:13,599 I'd love to have recorded how to prepare for Labor Day sort of video, 679 00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,400 but I don't think. I don't think we can do that in this I 680 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,239 actually completely forgot. I'm going to a wedding this Labor Day on the Eastern 681 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,480 Shore. I'm really excited about. I'm going to drive home from it. 682 00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,639 We're halfway home, and then the next morning I'm gonna wake up and you're 683 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:32,639 gonna have for breakfast on both of the crabs. Oh. I did Blue 684 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,880 Crabs in Annapolis last weekend. Fantastic, Mylan I'll be in Annapolis. Yeah, 685 00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:43,199 beautiful, there you go. Well, on that note, we also 686 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,760 we did a Labor Day grilling podcast not that long ago, so you can 687 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,880 look that up if you're curious for Chris's grilling tips, which I recommend taking 688 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,239 because he is quite good. But thank you so much for listening to another 689 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,079 edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, culture editor here at 690 00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,880 the Federalists, joint today by Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at the Common 691 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,519 Sense of Society. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, the 692 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:15,679 lovers of freedom and anxious for the frame heard the fame voice the reason, 693 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,119 and then it faded away.