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It's the Internet. You're busy,
Let's do this. Welcome to the Game

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Mess de Sides podcast. This is
the podcast where we decide everything about the

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world of video games so you never
have to think for yourself. I'm your

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host Jeff Grubb and with me is
Sean Turbo Shan McDowell. And today's episode

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everything is on fire. It's weird
and the games are good. It's all.

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It's all topsy turvy out there.
We'll get into all of that.

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But first, Sean, you're not
Mike. How are you doing? I'm

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tired, man, me too.
Mike is out on assignment. He fell

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down and hurt his wrist at a
what it looked like a children's playplace.

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I hope he's there with his family. Yeah, skating rinker is something,

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and he's so far away from his
Blake Club game and already laying it down

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the excuses. Well, we'll get
Mike you back at some point, who

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knows. In the meantime, though, me and Sean are going to talk

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about everything that there is to talk
about. Uh. I'm tired too.

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Uh. Lots happening obviously in the
news. I'm also just getting stressed out

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about SGF. But I got over
a major hump today where it's like most

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of the couch is now settled at
the very least, I have a pretty

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decent rundown. Now there is like
there's like potential, like traffic jams of

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like, man, when is Keeley's
thing going to end? But whatever,

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we'll play it by year, we'll
make it work. So I got over

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a major hump. Now it's like
the live show that I'm still got to

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have to figure out. But there's
not too much there, not too many

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moving parts. And Dan's doing a
lot of the fun dumb stuff. So

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yep, that's taking up a lot
of yea, he's doing fun dumb stuff.

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It's take it out but a lot
of my mental energies. And then

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I kind of get done with the
Dan. I'm like, ah, I

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just want to stare at the wall
or something, but instead let's talk about

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to everybody who has supported the show, really appreciated Sean. Let's just get

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into it. It's uh, it
was a weird couple of days of news,

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sometimes shocking, sometimes like man,
I guess this is where we're at,

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and then sometimes very infuriating. Let's
let's start with Xbox. Obviously everything

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is just so to on fire over
there. I think what's happened is the

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Rubber has met the road in terms
of their future vision meeting like where reality

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is at. Like I think for
a long time they were saying things like

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two billion gamers and cloud gaming and
people, you know, being wherever gamers

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are at and us meeting them there
and I think they have to do that

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because they know that they can only
grow the Xbox brand so big and the

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Xbox console so big. But you
know, they've reached that with the Xbox

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Console seemingly, and it's by all
accounting of the numbers that that's kind of

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cratering in a lot of ways.
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of meeting gamers where they're at,
that's kind of being met with a thud.

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There aren't people waiting to be like, Okay, well not Xbox is

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here, let's get on that on
my phone or whatever. People aren't doing

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that, and so projects like game
Pass are no longer feeling like the future.

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And the company has shut down multiple
studios, including Arcane Austin and Tango

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Game w and what was Alpha Dog
Games, and then they moved another studio

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into being a support studio for the
Elder Scrolls Online. It is a mess.

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I am at a point where it
does it feels like the future of

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Xbox is more cloudy than ever and
also just further away from like the traditional

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console model than ever. How are
you feeling about it all? First of

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all, Jeff, you know,
a last time you and I did a

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show together, was it? No? When PlayStation's Big A Way offs?

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Really? Okay? Well takes vacation. Anyone watched the fuck out the Reapers

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here? Everybody? Shaw McDowell.
Yes, So it really feels like they

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haven't hit these ridiculously big goals that
they set out for themselves, and they're

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trying to cut their losses before things
get worse, which is counterintuitive to what

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they have in a subscription service that
they're pushing. Netflix knew this for a

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long time, and they looked terrible
for it. I don't know, they

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still don't look great about it,
but they knew you're gonna lose a lot

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of money. You're gonna just have
so many rough times trying to get the

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content and trying to build up the
user base as a result, that you

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just need to see it through.
And it feels like they're skipping a step.

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Things didn't turn out right away,
you know, game pass subscriptions have

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plateaued, slowed, whatever the case
may be. We don't get as many

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numbers anymore. It's harder to tell, and it just feels like they're trying

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to give up a little bit on
that future that they keep or have been

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talking up for a long ast time
now it's frustrating. Yeah, And I

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mean I think that it really is. The shift is here, that the

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transition from the strategy of the last
several years to whatever's next is here,

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and it mostly looks like third party
publishing putting stuff out on PlayStation trying to

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just maximize revenue from whatever games they
have, and when things are when they're

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looking at the balance sheet and something
is like costing this much and only making

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that much, cutting it, which
begs the question what's next? Right,

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Like, there's a lot of stuff
on the table where it's like, man,

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is how is help they going to
do? How's help they going to

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do? Is ninja theory in trouble? And at this point I would assume

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yes, I mean they're not out
there like reassuring people about that. They're

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like the rumors are there's more cuts
coming, right And I mean that raises

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the question of what are they looking
for right now? Because we had that,

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you know, the inside story there
that one's been talking about. It

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was Matt Booty, right who was
talking about they need smaller games, more

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smaller games, which people are interpreting
a bunch of different ways. People are

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debating on Twitter about what is a
small game, which is blowing my damn

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mind because it's all relative when you
say a smaller game that can include a

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team of eighty two hund people,
because when games are taking several hundreds of

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people to make over the course of
the better part of generation, Yeah,

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something that starts out friendly reminder,
it started out as just a small handful

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of people and they added more to
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That's a smaller project. Because what's
smaller than that? People were saying

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Pentiments. Well, Pentiment's basically an
indie game that just got published by Xbox.

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Yeah, and it's like one example
list So they made one game that's

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smaller than than Tango game works as
High Fi Rush. And that's okay.

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I mean the point, you know, the part of it wasn't just like

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let's make smaller games. Let's make
smaller games that are prestigious and win awards

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and are very successful. And it's
like, I mean, you know,

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Ethan Gotch pointed this out and is
what I was getting at with my tweet,

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like that is a lot of ticket. That is a lot of ticket

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when you have a small game that
can break out and be a massive,

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massive success like Bilatro or Power World
or all these other things. There's thousands

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and thousands of those games coming out
every year, and only a handful of

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them do really well. That's a
lottery ticket. The idea behind being a

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major publisher is you spend so much
money making your game so shiny and big

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that people can't ignore it, and
then you have the marketing budget to back

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it up to force it into being
a success. You brute force your way

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into that. And the idea like, okay, well we're gonna save munch

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of money, and like, you
know, we you know, to be

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fair. Last couple of weeks,
we've been saying you gotta find ways to

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do that, and I agree.
But the ways to do that was build

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on High Fi Rush. That's why
this all doesn't make sense, of course,

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right that studio is done. Yeah, and I mean it's incredibly frustrating

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to me. High Fight Rush was
my second favorite game of the year.

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It came very close to being my
favorite, and I it was so it

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was the perfect game for me.
And I thought that we might never get

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anar one of those, or it
might be it might look completely different way

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down the line. If they revive
it, because now it's seeming like it

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might be a dead ip at this
point. It's it's baffling when you when

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they bought all these studios. When
you buy these studios, people expect something

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out of them. You can't buy
Bethesda for their parts. You buy Bethesda

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for the ips that they have and
the teams that make them. And this

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is what people were worried about.
I was worried about too, with consolidation

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and everything. This is this is
why people say consolidation is a bad thing

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because layoffs will happen. And guess
what we're seeing that in action now where

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it feels like Bethesda is being stripped
down. Can't you can't buy them and

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say something didn't work out. You
know, it's not working within the game

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pass ecosystem and everything like that.
So let's pivot away from that to small

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games. That's not what anyone expected
when you picked up Bethesda. You can't.

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You can't just turn around and completely
change strategies like that because stuff like

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this you get ruining people's lives,
ruining the lives all these developers and their

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families, and they have to figure
stuff out now. And it's just a

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mess for everyone involved accept the people
at the top as always yep, they

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continue to be in charge. And
I kind of I'm at a point where,

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uh, you know, Eurogamer had
that story that I haven't had a

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chance to read, but they're like, what is the point of Xbox?

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And I saw that. I was
like, you know, getting dinner for

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the kids tonight and taking care of
some other stuff, and I was like

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mulling that over in my head,
and it's like, you know what,

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what are any of these brands?
They are stories that we tell right that

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It's like, hey, I get
an Xbox because I'm investing in this ecosystem

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and they're working on these games,
so it's got to have these exclusive things

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and those are going to be experiences
that I can only have because I have

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an Xbox. And we tell these
stories to ourselves because that because Xbox isn't

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real, it doesn't exist, no
brand is real. That these things are

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just fictions that we say. But
there's a lot of power in these fictions,

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which is why we have such an
affinity for Disney and Nintendo because they've

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been able to harness that. And
it feels like what's happening right now with

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Xbox is. The story is it
is falling apart. It's bursting at the

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seams, and any of the structures
that we're holding it up are collapsing.

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And I don't get how anyone at
this moment can tell themselves here is why

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I am investing in the Xbox ecosystem
going forward and having confidence in that.

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And that is more ruinous than anything
else than like having a studio that isn't

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making money on the balance sheet,
so you're cut like, Okay, yeah,

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I get that. You have to
justify your jobs and you have to

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make money. You don't have the
luxury of not making money, you know.

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He said that in an interview recently
by Phil Spencer. I understand that,

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but you are in a delicate position
where people are waiting for the win.

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They're waiting for a couple of wins
so they can feel good about the

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time they've spent putting their not just
money, but like they're precious human moments

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into this system, and they're they're
not feeling they're getting a great return on

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that. And so okay, well
that's you know, that's rough in the

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first place. And now it feels
like the belief that they had that Hey,

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Okay, you know the High Fi
rushes is here, build do something

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with that. In the meantime,
all these other games are happening. I'm

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feeling good about that. All of
that is falling apart, and we are

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kind of getting to a point of
no return for Xbox. It feels like,

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I don't know, I it's it's
not going to like evaporate off the

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face of the planet. No,
but this is a tougher position than they've

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ever been in. Yeah, and
okay, so I will push back a

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little bit if any company was capable
of not making money and being okay,

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yes, it's Microsoft. Sure.
And that's why that's why people were okay

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with pivoting to game Pass and pivoting
to all these different new strategies that,

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you know, things that I've been
talking about for a long time. I've

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been saying game Pass great for consumers. For Microsoft, we shouldn't need to

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worry about that. Who cares,
because yeah, we think about shoot a

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double fine guy? Uh, Tim
Tim Shafer Shaffer, thank you? Yeah.

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Tim Schaefer kind of talked about how, hey, we were kind of

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in dire straits over there. Getting
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it gave us stability. That's what
we were looking for. So that's what

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we all thought was going to happen
here with all these studios, Yes,

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right, we thought they would be
stable because Microsoft has the MinC to throw

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out these things. And so when
you talk up we are building something new,

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We are building up game Pass.
Yes, things will be shaky at

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times, but we again bring it
back to ysay about that subscription service.

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You need to take losses in order
to build it up. If you're not

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willing to commit to it, what
the hell are you doing. Earlier in

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the year, where we had the
rumors flying round of certain games might not

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be exclusive anymore, they might be
putting more stuff in more places, which

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is sign they always said they would
do. People freek the hell out,

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and they shouldn't have because Starfield going
over at PS five. Guess what you

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still have Starfield? Yeah, Tango
game works closing. None of us get

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High Fi Rush too. This is
the time to freak out a little bit

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and be worried about the future of
the brand because if they don't have games,

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they don't and have these studios making
them. That is the real problem

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at the core of all this.
And like people have pointed out, I

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think, very coldly, frankly,
of oh this is capitalism. Yeah it

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is, and it fucking sucks and
we all hate it. And that's that's

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the point we're trying to make here. There's a look, it's piss off.

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Pissing me off a little bit.
How people are almost using this as

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a debate point. Right when we
got this news on like Tuesday, the

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body's still warm, you know,
like step back a little bit, you

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know, I wasn't gonna bring up
like I frankly I chucked someone out of

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the Giant bomb chat earlier day because
they were kind of being those Oh so

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it's the closes of doing business to
be frank get bent like like you have

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some humanity when talking about all this. We don't have to wait forever to

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talk about these things. We don't. We don't have to put off until

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this specify amount of time. But
maybe just think about how the real the

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devs are feeling and all this.
You know, when when people were having

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a little debate of like how big
was Hi Fi rush and the Verge article

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came out and everything, I just
saw it was it's John Johannes, right,

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who was a director on High Fi
Rush just reacted with that image of

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Peppermint for the game, just doing
a are you fucking kidding me? Face?

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And that's how I'm feeling about all
this right now, like are you

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fucking getting me? Like we're we're
saying here debating like all the all this

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minution and everything. This feels like
the one thing where we should all just

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look at it and say, this
was a mistake. There's no answer buts

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about it. At the very least, you should have had a better plan

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if this was going to happen eventually. Yep. And it's uh, it's

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it's the thing where we see this
company sort of operating in this way where

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for years now they've had, uh, they've gotten a lot of leeway because

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it's like, Okay, the promise
was, well, Microsoft could be a

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little bit better than anywhere else.
It could be you know, if you're

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out on your own, like the
Tim Shaeffer situation, and you come too

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Microsoft, they will use those resources
to sort of provide this shelter where you

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can do your best work. And
that happened with Tango Game Works. It

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felt like that's exactly the story we
were getting and all these people literally succeeded

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at the understood mandate of this whole
project of hey, come work under us,

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make interesting games. And yeah,
I think a Hi Fi rush started

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before Xbox acquired them, but they
were able to make that game, put

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it out on game Pass. It
was interesting and a lot of people played

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it, and it had a home
on game Pass for sure, regardless of

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how it succeeded, whatever happened with
it, they found a home. So

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the people that were making that game
made something great and something that fits well

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with game Pass and got people talking
and was like, hey, this is

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the future of this brand, and
their reward is to get shut down.

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When they were pitching the sequel to
that game, like that's what they were

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doing, and it just like okay, that that's the thing that like tears

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the whole thing apart. The people
did a great job and now they're out

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on the street. What are we
doing here? I don't understand what the

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point of all of this is.
If it's not to provide a home for

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people like that to make cool games. If it is just hey, we

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are we got called duty now,
so that's what our focus is, and

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everything else is kind of have to
to get get shaved off because we got

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to make it save some do some
nips and tucks because the business got too

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bloated. Well, I mean,
you know that's your fault. Like,

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you're the ones that did that.
Why are the people who succeeded at what

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they were supposed to be doing getting
punished and getting sent out? It's infuriating.

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We've joked about a little bit in
the past, but now it's like,

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ironically, Mike's whole concern about the
way that they were presenting High Fight

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Rush is founded now, right because
he was like, they shadow dropped this

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it was thirty dollars. That feels
weird because this is just this is a

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full good game. You know,
it's a decent length and everything, the

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production values through the roof. Clearly
a lot of work was put into this

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game from whatever size team it may
have been from, and so the fact

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that it was shadow drop into game
Pass and it's thirty dollars digital only,

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that just okay. So what at
the time we were all like this,

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shouldn't the should be more than thirty
dollars. We're like, I know,

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no one wants to hear that,
but at the time we were saying that

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on this show. Oh yeah,
absolutely, And like I don't know.

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I'm someone who was kind of like, well, I don't know, like

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the imprice of whatever they want as
long as that's as long as they know

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what they're doing there. And that's
where everything falls apart because it feels like

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they didn't know what they were doing
there, because what's the problem here.

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It didn't sell well enough, it
didn't bring in enough people. On game

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Pass. You have this thing,
a character action game mixed with rhythm games

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that's going to be inherently niche.
It's going to get awards and and everything

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if it does well, but it's
not going to be the thing that flies

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off of shells on Walmart. So
if you mess up by not positioning it

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in the way that you want it
to be, and you're pushing the blame

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onto the developers, Like how is
any of this their fault? It just

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feels like passing the buck to me, And it's mind boggling, and like

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it just means that in many degrees
that I feel like I was wrong for

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thinking that this whole thing could work, because frankly, correct me if I'm

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wrong. The logic is there,
it's just they don't want to spend the

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money, which is wild why I
mean and really what I started to get

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the sense it for all this is
like the across the board lack of vision

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is really noticeable in moments like right
like today when Sarah Bond was that the

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Bloomberg thing and she announced that in
July, Microsoft is going to be launching

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the Microsoft Xbox Game Store for mobile, Like that's launching this summer, and

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it's like, yeah, man,
okay, this company always has an idea

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for a store or a service.
But when it comes to the thing that

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would get people excited about the brand
of putting out games and knowing how to

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support those games and doing right by
those games and giving them every chance to

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succeed, those get sacrificed first and
early and often. And then you like

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look turned back to the company,
like what are they talking about. They're

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talking about a mobile app store that
I think has a maybe half a percent

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chance of succeeding Sean on what fucking
planet to people install other app stores on

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their phone. Android has had that
option from the beginning, and no other

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app store that's not installed when you
turn on the goddamn phone in the first

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place has ever worked. You can
put you can put Fortnite on the Epic

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Store and ask people to download that
the biggest game in the world for years,

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and no one fucking did it.
What are you talking about? You

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would think Call of Duty and Minecraft
are going to make a difference there,

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They're not. It won't. It's
not gonna work. Why is this the

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play It's crazy to me? Yeah, you and I and Naniel are Android

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OG's no, what happened with the
Amazon App Store? We used it like

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the Epic Epic Game Store. We
got our free shit, and we bounced

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over Google Play because and then I
forgot about phone yep. Yeah. So

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the fact that they think, the
fact that they think that they have these

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ip that are going to be the
things that push people towards it is also

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bonkers because first of all, it's
it's taken until now for Apple to get

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in legal trouble for this to even
be possible over on that platform. Rights

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and foremost exactly, yes, this
is all happy regulation. Yes, it's

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still not the case here in the
US. Like that's so you're still missing

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a gigantic portion of the market.
I don't know, it seems silly to

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me. Did did we not learn
this with battle nets and Bethesda Launcher and

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all these are launchers, even Yay's
learning it with Origin now and they've pivoted

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away from that. Sometimes people like
the thing that just works, and you

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gotta just take that hit on the
thirty percent or whatever it is to get

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your games out to where people are
to get those transactions rolling in, because

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people aren't going to go the average
person. We might if the deals good

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enough, right, but you're giving
us free stuff or whatever. The average

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person is not gonna know. They're
not gonna get that's they're not gonna know,

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they're not gonna they're not gonna care
it is. It's even if it's

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demonstrably better in every way, it
won't matter. This is like you know

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and like and this isn't like something
that we're just saying. There's you know,

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studies done about the organ donors and
like the thing where you have to

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check it on a license and they're
like, okay, so we're to do

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a little study and we're gonna see
how people behave if we leave that unchecked

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and most people don't check it,
and it say, okay, well we're

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gonna start with it checked. And
you have to like uncheck it if you

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don't want to be an organ donor
most people leave it checked. Everyone just

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does the path of lease assistance.
And it's not like something where it's like,

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oh, I don't even notice.
We justify it to ourselves afterward,

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as we do. Like that best
when they would interview people like people that

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had like similar backgrounds, who like
when they would get their license and would

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have the check or not have the
check, and it like seemed like they

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didn't care, they would be like, well, no, this is my

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belief. They would adopt the belief
just based on the path of lease resistance.

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That's how hardwired our brains are toward
doing the default That's why until X,

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let's okay, hey I suppose okay, so I guess we maybe we're

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stumbling out what's gonna happen here.
Maybe Microsoft pays billions of dollars to be

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a default store next to the app
store on the iPhone. That is a

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possibility, because that's like the way
it works, Like Google pays billions of

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dollars to happen to be the default
search on Safari. They could do something

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along those lines, But then that's
the strategy spending billions of more dollars?

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What are we talking about here?
Once again, I also don't think Apple

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would do that. I don't think
they would take that deal. And they

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force to my regulators right exactly because
I think they know that, No,

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we're taking our cut. Dude.
You want access to our user base that

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we've built up are the past.
See what's it been now a decade and

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a half. You're getting out to
play by our rules, dude? Yep,

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yeah, it's Uh. I know
that one especially gets me where you

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know, you close down a studio
and your next big thing is another store.

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Jem. How how the hell have
Microsoft in the I don't know the

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exact day, but you know,
like thirty ish years of quote unquote modern

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windows. How are they not the
default place for PC games over their games?

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The operating system? Yeah? Right
right, that's where we're talking,

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like, yeah, they the windows. Yeah, they are so bad at

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it for so long and they haven't
figured it out. It's not like it's

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changed. If anything, it's worse
than ever. Like the buying games through

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Windows and not through Steam. Is
you ask the average person to do that,

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like they don't even know where to
start, uh, and what like

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they're gonna run into headaches. God, my my. Trying to buy games

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or even you use game pass on
PC was broken for like a year and

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a half. There's some people I
know who it's still broken. It's but

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they're really bad at it. Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make.

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They're so bad at it that they
are not the default. We're talking

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about how insane it is for anyone
to use anything other than the default.

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Gamers go out of their way to
install Steam on a fresh installation Windows yep,

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bonkers yep. And that's like,
that's just like cultural momentum, right,

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that's the that is the and you
can't really do anything about that.

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And they I think they mostly understand
this because they talk about how like people

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have their library of games on PlayStation
and it's so hard to get them away

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from that, and so trying to
get them to do something different on console

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you spend five hundred dollars on a
different machine is really difficult and we shouldn't

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even really be trying to do that, all right, But then you know

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the same stories honestly, not not
just true, it's like more true with

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mobile free default options. And I
just don't see how you're gonna win that

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uphill battle whatever sort of a sort
of on a topic. Well, I

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haven't been following this super closely.
What do you know about this whole The

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next Xbox may have alternative stores.
Yeah, I want to educate me and

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the me and the listeners here.
Yeah. So, I mean this is

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something that I think we've we've heard
rumblings of. I think that like they've

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even alluded to this idea. But
this is not too strange coming from Microsoft,

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the current day Microsoft. So the
idea is you would have the Xbox

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and you would be able to sideload
just various other things including like Steam or

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maybe like EA store Ubisoft stuff,
and you'd be able to buy stuff directly

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through them. Now that might sound
crazy, this is something that Microsoft has

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done with the Windows Store, at
least they plan to do it. I

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00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,359
believe this does operate this way now
on the Windows Store. In the background,

407
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,920
if you put an app on the
Window Store, you no longer have

408
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,839
to go through the give Microsoft to
thirty percent cut option. You can bring

409
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,119
your own payment platform, like a
machine engine and do that yourself, so

410
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,079
you could pay a way smaller fee
to someone else and completely cut Microsoft out

411
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:44,920
on their own store on Windows.
Now. I think what happens there is

412
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,519
that is part of some sort of
weird long legal regulation play where Microsoft is

413
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,839
doing that so they are positioned when
the battle comes in the future with regulators,

414
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,759
everyone is forced to do the same
thing. So if we get to

415
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,160
the point we allow Steam, therefore
you can't say monopoly, we allow Steam,

416
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,640
and we are in the position to
argue against Apple in court that now

417
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Apple must allow us to bring the
Microsoft Game Store onto the store and we

418
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,240
could process our own payments. I
suppose if they could do something along those

419
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,319
lines, they can make some headway, because if it's like, well,

420
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,000
no, Call of Duty Mobile is
still just on the Apple App Store,

421
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:29,559
but when you install it, it
installs at the Microsoft Store and that's how

422
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,720
you launch the game, and now
you're in that platform and we can process

423
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,599
our own payments. That's probably what
they're trying to do here. But again

424
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,960
that is that that's fine. I
get that, but that is not vision.

425
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:48,559
That is manipulating pieces on a board
Machiavellian style, and it's not let's

426
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:53,359
make great games to get people excited
about the story of buying an Xbox or

427
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,720
buying into Xbox whatever. Buying the
hardware, fuck it, it's over.

428
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,960
I get it. But buying int
the idea of Xbox, that's not what

429
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,359
that is. That is that it
is business manipulation and it's not inspiring in

430
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,039
the least. I think I think
you said the magic word here, vision

431
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,279
and I think that's what's lacking right
now. They they say that they have

432
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,920
it, but they're not executing on
it. And that's the core problem here,

433
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,599
because they have all these wonderful ideas, and ideas have been working out

434
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,599
well. Like like I said at
the top, game Pass is fantastic for

435
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920
consumers, and it theoreically should be
good for Microsoft as well. But because

436
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,680
numbers started to peter out, and
that's what always comes back to, number

437
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:42,160
didn't go up enough, and that's
that's just frustrating. You need to commit

438
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,720
to executing on the vision. You
can't just have it and then pivot to

439
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,400
it in the heat of the moment, because that is what feels like is

440
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,960
happening a little bit, is that
they're not thinking about the long term.

441
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,839
They're panicking in the moment too.
There's there's more to the story, and

442
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,920
hear more stories over the coming weeks, but it feels like folding to shareholders,

443
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,440
folding to some I struggle to even
say executives because, like you pointed

444
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,799
out the ore day when you and
Mike were talking about this, this is

445
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,240
a film thing. It's not specifically
a Sachia thing. Like, yeah,

446
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,480
gaming right there is definitely like to
say, the iosuron of Microsoft is turned

447
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720
to gaming. I don't think like
it definitely that's happened, but that that

448
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,400
happens a lot of times, and
then people are like, oh shit,

449
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,559
I got to get my shit together. These are Phil's decisions. These are

450
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:40,519
at the very least approval on like
final exactly. Yes, he is the

451
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:41,400
final step. Yes, that's what
I mean, like party, He's part

452
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,279
of that executive team making these decisions
collectively. But yeah, the team owns

453
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,359
everything that's happening here, regardless of
like if there's pressure from above. Yeah,

454
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,559
sure, that happens all the time. Everyone has that at their job.

455
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,559
That's not I mean, it also
doesn't go much higher. It might

456
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,119
go laterally, but it doesn't go
much higher than the people who are in

457
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,799
charge of this stuff right now based
on how things are structured as far as

458
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,839
we know it, and I don't
know the whole thing's a mess right now,

459
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,279
and hopefully we help people sort through
their thoughts a little bit here,

460
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:17,240
but it's still very confusing, very
upsetting, and hopefully they can write the

461
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,440
ship because at the end of the
day, you know, like, let's

462
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,119
take any fanboyism out of it,
let's take any of that bullshit away from

463
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
this conversation. Let's just talk about
what's happening. I think we can all

464
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,680
agree they had something good, and
they could have something good. Still they're

465
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,279
just fumbling in right now. Yep, all right, Let's get to a

466
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,839
couple other news stories. Basically what
I wrote down here on the run down

467
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,400
is Xbox stuff, Sony stuff,
and Nintendo stuff. The Sony stuff mostly

468
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,599
happened over the weekend where they were
going to force people to sign into PSN

469
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:51,519
for a Hell Divers two, and
that was going to that was going to

470
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,720
cause the game to get delisted on
Steam in one hundred and seventy seven countries

471
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,640
they do not have PSN and so
therefore we'd not be able to play the

472
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,480
game for a game that's already come
out. That was this asters and basically

473
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,920
it's a big reversal by Sony now
apparently, and you know, I don't

474
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,680
know if this is confirmed. I
saw this going on early to earlier tonight,

475
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,359
but it seems like stores like green
Man Gaming are refunding purchases of Ghost

476
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,960
of Sushima because Sony is now delisting
that in those same countries, even though

477
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,039
it only requires the online excuse me
for the online multiplayer portion of that game,

478
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,759
which is a small segment off the
side, but regulation probably dictates they're

479
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,599
probably not others sell that game in
the country if the PSN isn't there or

480
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,680
something like that, or maybe there's
some thing where these companies do not want

481
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,480
to be on the line for refunds. It's probably Steam like they right there

482
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,640
ass they're like, oh, if
you this game is a whole part of

483
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,160
this game doesn't work, so we
better not sell it in dis places.

484
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:51,920
Yeah, probably that either needs to
be a very explicitly advertised a point of

485
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,559
sale or you know, like a
big red banner like they sometimes have,

486
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,440
or you just can't sell it.
And after hell Diverge two in the backlash

487
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,079
there, I think they see the
potential for this wouldn't be as big.

488
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,319
But even if it's like, you
know, ten percent the size of the

489
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,239
Helldiver's two backlash. That's a lot
of chargebacks on credit cards, and that

490
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,159
stuff adds up into a huge headache
for these companies and they want to avoid

491
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,920
it either way, Why is it
PSN in these goddamn countries? If this

492
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,760
is what you're requiring, this is
so weird. It's a good question.

493
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,719
As somebody who lives in a country
where PSN wasn't around for a long time.

494
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,559
I'll tell you, like, people
just creates the USA account, the

495
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,719
PSN USA accounts whatever they are,
and issues works. But like the problem

496
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440
is, like is team just realize
that and they don't want to have any

497
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,119
problem. And I think his team
was the one like made them pull out

498
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,719
the game from those plays, because
if the game still wasn't team you could

499
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,760
you could just hook up your your
USA PSN account and you just play like

500
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
that. It wasn't that big a
problem. But because they pull out the

501
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,159
game, that became a problem.
Yeah. I don't know what it would

502
00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:00,400
be. Why, Jeff, to
your point of why is PSN noveil there?

503
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,480
Maybe it's something to do with servers
and perspructure not being able to do

504
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:10,920
things internationally. Maybe some support probably
yes, I supporting supports expensive, Yeah,

505
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,880
for all that. Yeah, I
may just be like not being able

506
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,719
to make that connection internationally is what
I imagine the case would be. Needs

507
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,599
to stop doing this, so needs
to stop requiring it. Just make it

508
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,599
an incentive, make it, make
it, give us a goodie for signing

509
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,719
them with PSN. I know not
everyone's going to do it, but what

510
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,559
it like, what is the I
mean, dude, you know how many

511
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,840
freaking people they would get connecting their
accounts that they gave like five bucks in

512
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,840
premium currency or something equivalent value.
Like back in the day when I was

513
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,280
when I first checked out Fortnite with
friends, I absolutely connected all the accounts

514
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,960
I could because they gave you,
like, you know, these different costumes

515
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,320
that were themed around the platform that
you were on. I was like,

516
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,280
serve, I'll take free stuff for
like, you know, five minutes of

517
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,800
my time. Why not? And
that's what they're going for, and they're

518
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,760
looking for the data, and I
think, yeah, just give them a

519
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,840
free be like I'm I'm avoiding saying
sort of like credit where credits do.

520
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,159
But they did reverse the decision,
so at least they're learning that's a yeah

521
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,159
thing to come out of all this. But if they're if They're not just

522
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,599
gonna completely reverse it, They're gonna
try to put it in other things like

523
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:20,480
ghosta Sushima. Well, then maybe
they didn't learn as much as we thought

524
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,119
they did, and they were just
trying to avoid the backlash, which hey,

525
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,199
that would be really scummy, right
yep. Yeah. And I mean,

526
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,679
and again, this only bothers me
so much because I'm just used to

527
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239
signing of these things. I'm an
old man. I've gotten like, I've

528
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,119
just done this dance so many times, I can't kind of can't get the

529
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,480
furvor up in my heart for it. But it's still like, I still

530
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,000
think it's a bad idea and something
they should not do anymore. And if

531
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,320
they could have, if I'm in
that company, and I would find a

532
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,840
way to avoid this, and I
would just simply do something different and provide

533
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,480
a different way for people to want
to sign into PSN instead of forcing them

534
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,159
to sign in the PSN. It's
just so clearly the right path forward for

535
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,480
every decision. When it comes to
trying to get gamers to do something,

536
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:05,079
it's always smarter to give them something
and incentivize as opposed. The carrot works

537
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,920
so much better than the stick.
It's just stupid. What do you think,

538
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:14,639
SORR, Is this related to them, like making like a launcher for

539
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,639
a PC? Is this is why
they're That's actually what I was going to

540
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,840
ask you, What do you think
why do they want this so badly?

541
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,159
Obviously the you know, the the
almost cop out answer is data, which

542
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,800
yeah, all right, but I
know it feels like to have them.

543
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,679
There's it's got to be something more
in that in the long run. Yeah,

544
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,400
I mean, I I think the
idea is that you need a certain

545
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,480
critical mass to make one of these
launchers work, and the way you do

546
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,119
that is to build up an affinity
for stuff like trophies. And then suddenly

547
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,199
someone's like, well, you know, I better make sure I'm signing the

548
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,639
PSN every time. And I signed
a PSN, and now there's a store

549
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,599
here, and look at this this
thing is is a dollar cheaper on here

550
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,360
as opposed to when I buy it
on Steam. Maybe I'll just are making

551
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,920
my purchases directly through PlayStation. I
mean, I assume it's like that's the

552
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,000
long term play, but I mean
it's not gonna work. Yeah. We

553
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:13,239
are a whole discussion about that,
which is what makes me You can't figure

554
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,320
it out exactly. Yeah, like
if Microsoft Ange and people hanging out on

555
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:24,280
the Xbox app listen Discord. Discord
is installed on every goddamn computer in the

556
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,639
fucking world. And they had they
tried to have to sell games store.

557
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,400
It didn't work because like if this
car can't do it, Yeah, that's

558
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,079
the most adaption crazy scored. Scored
had a store, they had a subscription

559
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:45,159
service for the subscribing to indie games. They tried everything with all that stuff,

560
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,360
and none of that stuff's in there
anymore for a reason. It's it's

561
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,400
the kind of thing where these companies
have to try them like you can't tell

562
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,719
them, hey, that won't work. So well, you know there's some

563
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
growth there that we're not getting,
we should try it, and they're they're

564
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,480
gonna try it. They're gonna see
the it's not gonna work, and then

565
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,000
they'll try something else. But yeah, I mean, you know, you

566
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,559
see how it goes. It like
our fandom corporation right where it's like we

567
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,079
got to do we just gotta try
something. We got to just figure something

568
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,840
out and try it. And so
that's just how it goes at all these

569
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,039
big companies. They decide on an
initiative and then they're gonna see it through,

570
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,960
and that means like exercising every last
pathway that they can think of to

571
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,360
make the thing work. And right
now we're at the dumb idea stage I

572
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,679
think for a lot of the PlayStation
Network on PC stuff. Yeah yeah.

573
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,000
Overall, though Sony's gonna report their
earnings next week, they're probably gonna be

574
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,440
mostly fine. I think. I
think the story we're gonna get out of

575
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,760
that company once again is boy,
we wish we had more growth. We

576
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,679
have some we would we would really
be a lot happier with significantly more,

577
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,280
and we don't know where that's coming
from. So they're going to reiterate what

578
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,440
they've said before, right, Hey, we are looking harder at PC and

579
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,519
we're going to be more aggressive about
that. They said that last time,

580
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,000
they're going to say that this time. No big change or panic there,

581
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,360
right Yeah, I just think you're
right, yeah, all right, then

582
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,840
there is the Nintendo stuff. How
do you feel about this switch two leak?

583
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,159
Oh? I thought we were gonna
talk about Twitter, Well we can

584
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:17,119
talk about Twitter, Yeah, fucking
must They're fucking Twitter from switch on.

585
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,400
I don't know, sometime next month, I think in June, June tenth,

586
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,440
I think, uh, and this
has already happened on Xbox and PlayStation.

587
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,239
Uh. And Nintendo's like, hey, you can upload your phone and

588
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
upload it. Still we don't give
a shit. And Twitter's like, we

589
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,800
have a very close partnership with Nintendo
as a close tweet that Nintendo did not

590
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,079
acknowledge. So sure you do,
honey, Uh huh, I believe you.

591
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,599
Cloud Is Shoes Company. Yep,
they raised API prices and then son

592
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:46,800
lean Nintendo's like, yeah, we're
not gonna do this anymore. Weird.

593
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,800
I can't imagine they're being a connection. You should be paying us. It's

594
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,199
got to be what Nintendo's thinking.
Well, people were uploading Breath of the

595
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,840
Wild stuff onto Twitter and kind of
made gaming Twitter in that like gaming Twitter

596
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,119
is very old. I've been there
since the beginning, but like like that

597
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,199
moment was like, oh, it's
good, it's going even more mainstream.

598
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,960
And then since then that's been replicated
multiple times because people are uploading their shit

599
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,280
from Elden Ring or whatever. After
that, But like Brett the Wild was

600
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,679
like a big moment, and it's
like, you should be paying Nintendo.

601
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,480
What are you talking about this content
that they're generating for you you want money.

602
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:28,159
Just the dumbest fucking people in the
world run these companies, and it's

603
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,519
that's you know where I'm feeling the
in shitification. Everything feels so terrible right

604
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:35,280
now. Everything is the worst it's
been in a long time. That's the

605
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,880
fame of the night. This is
this is also therapy. We're just airing

606
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,599
all these even says man, fuck
it. The streaming services are terrible.

607
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,920
The internet fucking sucks, like my
my upload has been the same speed for

608
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,239
a decade and they're they're not gonna
do anything about it. It's everything is

609
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,920
as terrible as it possibly can be
because we eventually just get back to this

610
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,079
point where these companies are like,
ma ads are cool. It's like,

611
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,440
are they what are you talking about? People? Things love? Yeah,

612
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:05,239
no, definitely don't install extensions on
their PC to get rid of Primate is

613
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,960
like putting more arts into their shows. Now it's crazy cool. I'm heard

614
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:15,320
that will yeah play out wonderfully.
Yeah, Like uh yeah, It's it's

615
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,719
like right, like a whole fragment
or whole phrase search doesn't work in Gmail

616
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,519
anymore. Where like when you put
something in Prentice and our quotations and like,

617
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,960
I just want ones to have this
phrase. It does not work anymore.

618
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:32,760
Yeah, I know, is terrible. It's everything is the entry comes

619
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,440
for everything. I get that,
but it's like, at a certain point

620
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,159
was like, well, maintaining these
services is valuable because we want people feel

621
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,760
good about them, and that is
dead. And so just across the board,

622
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400
all the terrible, all the worst
people are in charge making terrible decisions

623
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,960
and they don't care because they're just
just got to maximize profit and they're finding

624
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,639
ways to do that while making us
miserable. It sucks. Yes, being

625
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,599
humane is a dead art nowadays.
It seems that's that's the common thread in

626
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,679
all the things that we've talked about
so far at night. But anyways,

627
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Oh we got that out there.
Let's talk about so many we're excited about

628
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,559
it. Yeah, I think I'm
pretty excited about this. I hope this

629
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,800
rumor is true. I'm kind of
operating on under the assumption that it is

630
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,719
UFS three point one memory again,
memory for the I'm sorry, storage for

631
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,280
the switch. Yes, that is
you know, pretty fast stuff. It's

632
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,320
it's like, yeah, described it
as like diet envame. It's close enough

633
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,840
in my opinion for the cons of
games you're gonna get on the switch.

634
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,119
You're probably still gonna have loading times
here and there. It's far it's a

635
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,519
far cry from what you get on
get in a PS five, But it's

636
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,800
a lot of devices, a lot
of smart devices use similar kinds of storage,

637
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,519
and it's plenty fast enough, and
if you have the right kind of

638
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,000
CPU that is built to sort of
decompress the data from that kind of storage,

639
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,159
it's going to be somewhat You're not
gonna notice the difference a lot of

640
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,760
times between that and a real SSD. So that's exciting, right, Yeah,

641
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,480
And as you know, I've been
casually phone shopping out need want a

642
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,079
new one, by thinking, yeah, maybe just to treat myself. I

643
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,400
haven't spent a lot of money lately, maybe i'll check one out. So

644
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,599
I've been doing looking into specs because
that's kind of person I am. I'm

645
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,039
like, yeah, where I am? I actually getting banged from our buck

646
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,679
Everything except for I believe the Galaxy
S twenty four is just using UFS three

647
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,679
point one. That's what everything's on
right now. I believe that's what Apple's

648
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
even using. They even used that. I always thought heard that they had

649
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,679
SST. But I think people are
just colloquially calling these things. Yeah,

650
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,119
no, no, I'm pretty I'm
pretty sure it's c UFS. Okay,

651
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,920
three points. That's great. But
yeah, and everybody think about how like

652
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,599
apps generally work really well on your
phone nowadays and everything, and think about

653
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,760
that smoothness that they gat are there. Pair that with a better processor.

654
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,639
That's give me a switch to you
have a good smooth experience all around.

655
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Especially you know when you think about
them coding to the metal, as they

656
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,840
probably will be doing well right,
Like it's going to be even more optimized.

657
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,079
Coding to the metal. Is why
I'm not also not worried about twelve

658
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,599
gigabytes of a memory of store of
RAM. Excuse me, that's like,

659
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:04,800
you know, that's good though arm
factor exactly. I am like, that's

660
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,880
fine. It's two six gigabyte modules
of l p D that low power d

661
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,360
d R five Oh is d d
R five good? Good? That?

662
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,320
I mean, they're they're not sure
if it's d d R five or d

663
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,199
d R five X. It could
be one or the other. It's in

664
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,119
Nvidia. I bet it's five x, but we'll see either either way.

665
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,559
That's that's fine. Generation. Twelve
gigabytes is more than like the Xbox series

666
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,119
S has, right, that has
like gigabytes S ten. It's I believe

667
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,079
that's split eight high speed too low
side. Yeah, that's the exactly Okay,

668
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:42,039
so twelve gigabytes coding to the metal. I'm happy. Oh yeah,

669
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,119
this this thing is is gonna be
good at launch, is what it's looking

670
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,559
like. Yeah, assuming again,
rumors, rumors, rumors, assuming that

671
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,039
this is all true, and you
know that, like people were going freaking

672
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:58,400
rain man on this stuff. I
travel looking up like cross referencing shipments and

673
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,960
everything. Zli hear out some of
this stuff. I don't know. I

674
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,760
don't know how I got. But
yeah, if this plays out the way

675
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,280
you think you will combine that with
some kind of good AI up scaling,

676
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,280
even DSS or a DSS light.
Things are looking good for the switch.

677
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,639
Why I'm feeling pretty much about it. Everyone always calls you and Mike and

678
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:22,760
he and myself like Nintendo fanboys and
everything, like this episode doesn't prove that

679
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,679
what are you talking about? I
don't know. It kind of looks like

680
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,320
maybe Nintendo's doing all right. Over
there. There's a non super chat question

681
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,840
or in chat that I wanted to
like reference, hey, we wired Japanese

682
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,639
companies thriving, and everyone else seems
like they're struggling. And I think that

683
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,440
like plays into like that's maybe like
the underlying foundation of all of these news

684
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,960
stories, like where you know,
Capcom did do very well, really high

685
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,199
profits. We did get Konami.
Konami also their profits way up and they

686
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,760
were like, because we did shit
with middle Gear, solid big surprise,

687
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,880
So they did start emulating what Capcom
was doing and it paid off, so

688
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,000
their profits way up. And that's
profits, right, So it's like they're

689
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,920
paying this much and they're making that
much, and there's a huge stack of

690
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,519
cash between those two things. And
I think it comes down to a big

691
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,679
part of it is just environment.
Where you know, a lot of these

692
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:15,119
Western companies have very expensive employees that
have only gotten more expensive, and like

693
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,679
we've been hearing like recent years,
like Capcom is going to finally start giving

694
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,199
people raises, Like paying for labor
in Japan has been very cheap for a

695
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,840
very long time, and even when
they're raising increasing their wages, it's not

696
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,360
that expensive. And the sort of
cost of living in Japan so low,

697
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,840
so there's not a lot of pressure
from these employees to raise the wages.

698
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,519
So I think it's like the companies
in Japan just have this a little bit

699
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:42,880
of an advantage at this moment.
This is not always an advantage because you

700
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,760
know, a lot of stuff in
Japan is there's not a lot of investment

701
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,000
because people are scared, and that's
been like a long trend for very long

702
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,480
time decades in Japan, and that
holds them back sometimes. But in this

703
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:58,039
moment where everyone sort of is struggling
to borrow money, the fact that they

704
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,480
have very low labor costs are relatively
low labor costs, I should say,

705
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,920
in Japan, seems like that is
enabling them to profit on the kinds of

706
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,239
games that are making that are selling
like you know, five to ten million

707
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,920
copies across most of these like successful
games in Japan, and like five to

708
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,280
ten million copies for a game from
PlayStation where they have a lot of Western

709
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,440
studios now and especially Microsoft, that
that wouldn't really you know, them cut

710
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,400
the salami for them. So yeah, I don't know, that's just a

711
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,800
half big thought, half baked response
to your question, but that's where I'm

712
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,360
at with that, all right.
I think I think A big part of

713
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,159
that is also just scope, you
know, keep keeping things in check more

714
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,599
so than we tear good for the
West of just I keep saying, but

715
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,400
number go up. That's all Ione
cares about here, and there's this less

716
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,079
pressure for that overall over there,
I think, is what's happening there?

717
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:50,599
Yeah, yep, yep, absolutely, Okay, tell you, We'll tell

718
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:52,880
you what we're gonna do now.
We are going to take a quick break

719
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,559
when we get back. We had
a lot of super chats. We're going

720
00:48:53,639 --> 00:49:00,920
to get to those right after this
and we're back. That was a great

721
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,159
news segment, But you know what, I need some super chats shown.

722
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,400
Go ahead and read those for me
absolutely. First of one up here from

723
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,840
Big Fresh thirty seven. Xbox deserves
all the heat here. But I don't

724
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,239
get why this boils down to game
pass bad for so many when every traditional

725
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,119
publisher is also cutting. Why is
that model better all leads to bad?

726
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,000
Oh? Fair point right? Why? Well, like everything is strung.

727
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,760
I don't think game pass bad is
what we're saying. First, I think

728
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,199
necessarily even mean us oh sure,
okay, yes, And I think for

729
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,880
a lot of people that are like
we thought game pass was the future,

730
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,159
and now it sounds like Microsoft saying
it's not the future. There are a

731
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,760
lot of people that are going to
say game pass bad because they've been saying

732
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
that for years, and they've been, you know whatever, dancing on the

733
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,079
grave is what they're doing right now. Sure, yeah, I mean,

734
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,639
just don't listen to them. You
know, we try to be reasonable on

735
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:54,000
this show. Come here instead.
The model, the traditional model is not

736
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,559
necessarily better. It just seems like
it's making more sense in this specific moment,

737
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,480
and it seems like that's the one
Microsoft is choosing too, because they're

738
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,360
like, hey, the rumors are
they're looking at putting more games on PlayStation.

739
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,079
They' putting more games in the game
pass. Potentially that could change,

740
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,760
but the reality is no one has
the model that is going to be the

741
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,480
future model of the future. That's
where we're have a conversation in the second

742
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,079
half of this episode what this gaming
look like in five years The spoiler warning,

743
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,639
we don't fucking know, because no
one does exactly. That one also

744
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:29,000
came in before the show started,
so hopefully someone what we talked about there,

745
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,559
I answer your question, big fresh
hop We we just think that the

746
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,239
concept of game pass is good.
The problem that a lot of people are

747
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,000
having right now is that Microsoft's execution
of game Pass, specifically like THELM executing

748
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:43,360
it, is the problem right now
and not predicting that they would be in

749
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800
this situation where it would stop growing
because everyone has an Xbox has one has

750
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,880
game Pass and now there's no one
left to sell it to. So what

751
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,280
do you expect exactly? Next up
another one from Big Fresh Story three thirty

752
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,599
seven. Sorry, I counter picked
Animal Well, so f me is a

753
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:06,000
dounky gonna save gaming? Yes,
maybe you'll probably talk about that later in

754
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,440
the show, But did you feel
an Animal well yet? Honestly, I'm

755
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,599
not feeling it yet. But it's
not like I dislike it. I just

756
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,519
it is one of those things where
people reached out to me specifically, like

757
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,880
you're gonna like this game, and
that's like put so much pressure on it,

758
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,079
and I'm like, I hope I
do. But it just has not

759
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,519
had that aha magic moment yet for
me from the little I've seen. I

760
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,159
know Jeff Bakla was excited about this
one going into it, it seems like

761
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:34,400
more of a hymn kind of game. People may have just been recommending it

762
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,400
to you because of Metroidvanus stuff.
I think, so we'll see, we'll

763
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,119
see. I think, you know, I never really played Fez people,

764
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:44,079
and that's one I've always been interested
in. And people are saying this is

765
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,719
similar, but we'll see it's People
also said Tunic, and I'm like sort

766
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,840
of lost the plot on Tunic at
the end. So yeah, from Jacob

767
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Bench playing Corono Trigger for the first
time, It's peak seems like a good

768
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,840
game. I don't know, I've
played it a couple of times. I've

769
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,360
just never finished it. I do
enjoy it. You're gonna finish. It's

770
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,000
a It's a rare blind spot for
me. I've never played Corona Trigger.

771
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:14,679
Hell when you get to thank you? Okay? And next up from Preny

772
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,000
Dude. Remember the dev Underscore direct
in January, most people were optimistic about

773
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,320
Xbox. Now I don't even care
about the brand. Why should I If

774
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,679
they don't care about their devs.
That June showcase won't save them either.

775
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,159
Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be very curious about that showcase. We'll

776
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:36,039
see. Yeah, you know,
I mean people forget four Xbox uh the

777
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,599
their showcase last year, people were
feeling pretty down because of Red Fall,

778
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,400
right, and then change things change
quick. Now I think this is different.

779
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,800
But we'll see how people are feeling
in gym a month. In gaming,

780
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,159
it's a long time. And I
think this showcase in particular is going

781
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,280
to be pivotal to them right now
because of this. They need they need

782
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,320
to deliver or you know, we're
pessimistic right now. People might be even

783
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,599
more upset after that if it doesn't
deliver so fast. Last year, we

784
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:07,039
have like before the game and works, we have like how many like thousands

785
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,480
of people getting fired and then when
the game of Wark happens, everybody else

786
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,960
like oh cool. Games are like
people for yeah, and we also like

787
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,360
we always forget that, like you
know, we're paying attention to this stuff.

788
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,320
And I do think that this Xbox
news is getting out into the mainstream.

789
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,039
I do. I think that the
bad sentiments tend to leak out,

790
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,800
but I don't think that that is
something that people are going to keep in

791
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,360
mind for a month. If you're
somewhat more casual, yeah, not as

792
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,840
much. Like I talked about,
Hey, you know and my normy friends,

793
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,679
this is the kind of thing where
I say to them, I'm like,

794
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,360
hey, the studio that made High
five Rush closed, We're not going

795
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,519
to get second one. They're going
to be like that sucks. I think

796
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:45,760
they also see it as companies bad. So yeah, if you tell us

797
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,719
like a company closed a team or
fired a team, they're just like,

798
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,679
shoot, dude, that's too real
to my day job. I know what

799
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,400
that's like. So yeah, it
doesn't surprise me. I think that's where

800
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,719
we're sitting on that right now.
Agreed from Ak. I've got all the

801
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,760
platforms and Xbox Series X is my
favorite to play games on. But I'm

802
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,079
so tired of everything Xbox being a
trash fire all the time. Please tell

803
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:13,360
me there's some reason for optimism with
this thing. Yeah. I mean my

804
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,159
Xbox had basically broken because it was
hanging on an update, so I had

805
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,280
to do like a hard reset and
like completely refresh the thing. And I

806
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,679
started playing on it like last week, and I'm like, I do enjoy

807
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,039
using that console. I know,
like Dan dan Riker, it's his console

808
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,719
choice when he has to play on
a console at home. There are there

809
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,000
are a lot of people out there
like that. It's it's a fine device

810
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:37,119
that they really nailed. And I
think the telling thing is how unimportant.

811
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:39,159
That is, at the end of
the day, Oh, you got a

812
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,360
nice thing to play games on,
So what what's the story of the brand?

813
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,159
They don't have that, So it's
yeah, I have the reason for

814
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:49,960
optimism. Look, I think there's
gonna be some good stuff in the showcase,

815
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,440
But like, is there gonna be
mind blowing stuff? I don't know.

816
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:57,880
And is it enough to change the
change that narrative? I doubt it.

817
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,079
Yeah, in terms of optimism,
I'm sorry, AKA don't know quite

818
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:04,559
what to tell you at this point, but I will say, at least

819
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,079
he got a good box for playing
games, plays current s and stuff.

820
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,840
Right. You already have got backers
compatability out the wazoo, which is something

821
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,599
that our platforms don't have right now. At the very least, as long

822
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,719
as you're comfortable making that purchase,
you have a good box for gaming.

823
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,639
If it doesn't stay your primary platform
for gaming, you know that sucks more

824
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:27,159
for Microsoft than does to you,
because you can go elsewhere. And it

825
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,840
reminds me of what Mike and Mike's
hit tweet from the r day, starting

826
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,679
to think that future gaming isn't Xbox
or PlayStation. Never too late to come

827
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,079
on over to the pcsor things because
let me tell you we'll talk about later

828
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:43,360
in the show, but this week
we're thriving over here and des Yeah,

829
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:51,960
so not too late to make the
switch from l Grugg controversy. That's a

830
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,760
people should go watch grub Bag or
whatever. We ended up coming grubs grab

831
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,480
Bag. We're thinking about maybe a
different tile for that. But that was

832
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,800
a fun stream that me and Nikki
did today. Agree a very good time.

833
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,800
It was just it was random games
on Steam and a community helped pick

834
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,920
them as we were streaming it.
That sounds fun. I think it's even

835
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,320
more fun than it sounds. It
was. Really, we'll try to do

836
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:22,039
so my recommendations. I can't imagine
why we didn't do well. We'll probably

837
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,679
do more of those. People.
So if you like the idea of you

838
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,920
shouting keywords into a chat and us
trying to find games based on a keyword

839
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,159
that you vote on for us to
play, check that video and may check

840
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:36,880
out the next one we do,
and you know, you know I'll do

841
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,119
for you. Christian. I'm not
going to put in nine to eleven into

842
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:44,119
the search, but but if you
like, can can if you can trick

843
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,719
us into searching something that brings up
a game related to that, we'll have,

844
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,840
Like you know, it'll be like
on the Pee Wee Herman Show where

845
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,960
alarms go off and all that stuff. We'll have that set up. You

846
00:56:52,079 --> 00:57:00,960
set you found the secret games?
Okay from Flim playing Andrew. With Xbox

847
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,199
studio closures and rumors of Call of
Duty not coming to game Pass, does

848
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,320
this hint towards a greater issue in
the gaming submodel? First of all,

849
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,079
I want to say, call of
Duty not coming to game Pass, They're

850
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,599
gonna lose so many fucking people.
Uh huh. Okay, we didn't even

851
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,800
like bring this up, but I'm
so I'm glad the super chats here we

852
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,360
should have. That is like one
of the rumors. I'm at a point

853
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,519
where, like I am, maybe
I'm just choosing to believe that. Well,

854
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:29,519
of course they have to have that
conversation. It would be maybe a

855
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,239
little bit weird if they didn't have
that conversation, right because the thing is

856
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,639
so valuable. But if you don't, if you if they're not able to

857
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,000
convince themselves that Call of Duty is
worth putting in a game pass, it's

858
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:44,840
over. It is over over,
I say. I can say from experience.

859
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:50,360
My friends picked a you know,
we we're smart about our subscriptions,

860
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,079
and I recommend everyone else do the
same. Turn off auto renew on your

861
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,079
subscriptions because that way you just buy
what you need, even you know,

862
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:01,239
buy a month of whatever. Take
the fifteen seconds, like bookmark this to

863
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:07,119
make it easier myself to go to
the subscription page and then just tick turn

864
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:09,760
off auto renue. Because my friend
is currently subscribed to game Pass, he

865
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,559
chose to leave it on because he's
like, you know, right now I'm

866
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,440
playing like you roughly won game a
month out of service. At least that's

867
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,719
worth it to me for the ten
bucks a month, you know, it's

868
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,079
not terrible. And so for him, he's keeping on. And one of

869
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:27,519
the stipulations is because what the next
call of duty should be the ones in

870
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,119
game Pass, right, I'm like, yeah, it should be. And

871
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:34,199
so yeah, so I'll just leave
it on and if it ain't, go

872
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:36,800
lose him and probably a lot of
our people if nothing else, because of

873
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,880
faith, and they should they should, because that's that is the signifier that

874
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:45,599
it's done. Yeah. I don't
think the subscription model itself is the problem.

875
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,960
I think it is again the commitment
to the vision of what that should

876
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,639
be. Right. They're on times
and they're just not seeing it through.

877
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,920
They're, like you said, they're
being bottlenecked by hardware right now and they're

878
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,039
trying it out in more places.
But we'll see. Yep from Oiya Zoomy

879
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,960
mechs here to ask about any news
our new Ridge Racer from Mike who's gone

880
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,440
but not forget Tracer shit, No, no, I got nothing for you.

881
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,880
I tried Ridge Racer sixty four again. That game is not great.

882
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:20,199
Sixty four is not great. No, it's not slow. The PlayStation ones

883
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,480
are good, oh fantastic? Yes, yeah, especially especially our four from

884
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,760
Bandar sn Do we think ninja theories
UI five tech is more valuable than hell

885
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,519
Blade itself to Xbox It could be
what keeps the studio alive as a lot

886
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:37,599
of Xboxes on Unreal. I mean
they already got an Unreal studio and coalition,

887
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,239
and their coalition is not going anywhere. So yeah, that's true because

888
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:45,079
and it's not going anywhere, not
because Gears, but because the Unreal stuff.

889
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:50,280
So yeah, I I think I
see what this super Task getting at.

890
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:55,000
Don't necessarily need Ninja theory if they
need a few engineers from Ninja theory.

891
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:59,679
I understand the concern there, and
I, oh, yeah a lot.

892
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,440
I'm concerned about all these studios.
Yeah, especially something like an inja

893
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,679
theory. Is there any world where
they are happy with how that game performs?

894
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,599
I doubt it, yeah, t
Bucket twenty three. Some of Xbox's

895
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,639
non Triple A games on game Pass
have been my favorite games ever, including

896
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:20,679
Psychon Knots to Pentiment and High Fi
Rush. I'm so sad hearing about the

897
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,440
closures, as these devs deserve better. Yeah, and that's that's danny and

898
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,760
intended. But that's why I play
as a thumbnail for this episode. Jeff

899
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:32,199
Dev's deserve better. Yep, I
agree, that's and my heart goes out

900
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,239
to all of them. Ninten Derek. In honor of today's four indie releases

901
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,199
and to add a big goodness to
a bad week, we're your top four

902
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:45,039
favorite indie games. Ooh, hang
on, I keep a running list of

903
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,800
my favorite games when I pulled out
here while you uh do Yeah, I

904
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:52,840
like. The first one that comes
to mind, unfortunately is The Witness.

905
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,920
I like that game a lot.
I really do like that game. Despite

906
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,800
Jonathan Blow being just the real piece
of shit and you can tell him I

907
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:06,320
said that. Uh yeah, what
else do I really like? For me?

908
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:15,239
Shovel Night is uh? Celeste very
very good? Uh god, I

909
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,639
still haven't finished Celest just because I
go back to it in bits and pieces

910
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:20,840
here and there and just bang my
head. I guess a wall for like

911
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,119
a weekend with that. Let me
do hear all games sort by hours played.

912
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:30,039
That's not a great way of doing
things. I suppose Egos, an

913
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:35,199
indie game, so Eco, Yeah, yeah, you love that game.

914
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:40,679
Do I have a installed that?
I mean, balatro hits dude, real

915
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:45,360
good. Oh oh, into the
breach, into the breaches up there and

916
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:52,000
then yo, uh Vampire Survivors.
Vampire Survivors Neon White is really up there

917
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:55,239
for me? Yeah, man,
let's see here and then uh, I

918
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,239
guess it used to be an indie
game Rocket League. Oh right, yeah,

919
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,480
one day one day it was yeah, oh there you go. Good

920
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:08,119
list of indies for you there,
ha Hades for sure. Yeah from epic

921
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:15,280
wall papers. How many cash irons
are in dead space to remake this our

922
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,800
truth? This is our truth coming
for us. Oh yeah, maybe under

923
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,320
a different name, yeah, possibly, Yeah, listen, I'll tell you

924
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,519
if I told you that they truly
would kill me Tracy from the head of

925
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:36,880
pr and he would truly have me
destroyed. From puppies on acid bbbb,

926
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:42,039
I think these puppies might be on
acid. Think I think they might be

927
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:46,519
tweaking from b R t R got
Redfall is an a m D CPU buondle

928
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,440
promo one year ago. I'm surprised
you found one that still did that.

929
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,760
Never had the desire to touch it, But now it's never felt more like

930
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:59,280
a bad slash dead promo ITEMP.
Hoping the best for those affected by the

931
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:05,000
layoffs, I why just at least
let those people who did all that work

932
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,639
put out that fucking update. Yeah, listen, what matters the most is

933
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:13,000
the people getting laid off, losing
their jobs and being out in the cold.

934
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,320
But their work, like the fruits
of their labor, also matters.

935
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,400
I'm sure it matters to those people. They would like, Hey, we

936
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,760
did all this stuff, we put
some effort into this. Just put it

937
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400
out. I guess there would be
more supporting So they don't want to do

938
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,599
that. Not that that's an excuse. That is also truly frustrating. It

939
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,920
makes me mad, But man,
that game it's not good. I don't

940
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,000
know what red Fall deserves or anything. I don't really care what red Fall

941
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,239
deserves, but I wish that we
lived in a world where that game could

942
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:44,039
just be played offline in perpetuity,
so we can go back and check it

943
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:46,599
out whenever we want to. Yeah, regardless of what you think of the

944
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,280
game, people worked on and that's
that's the message I tried preaching on the

945
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,119
Toppler, So have humanity. Everybody, remember that people worked on these things

946
01:03:55,239 --> 01:04:00,199
and they're not doing well right now. Yep, but thank you for a

947
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,840
super said Banjo. Playing Bear sounds
familiar, says. Sony has earnings coming

948
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,559
up next week and their stock has
not been doing well. Is it plausible

949
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:12,039
that they will also have more layoffs. Yeah, it's plausible. I don't

950
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,840
necessarily think they'll do it, but
it's plausible. It feels like it's plausible

951
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,079
any day of the week now,
right. Everyone's trying to cut costs.

952
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,880
That's that's the reality. Everyone's trying
to cut costs. But we'll see,

953
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,360
we'll see how they're doing. You
know, they had their hardware sales were

954
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,880
also down thirty percent in the United
States last quarter, and I think that

955
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,519
might have them panicking a little bit, and that could lead them lead to

956
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:38,679
more cutting costs, which would lose
more people losing their jobs. So it's

957
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:44,280
on the table, I hope not
exactly from guard tooth. Do you think

958
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,559
Microsoft tries a competitive mainstream next gen
console or do they decide to just be

959
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:53,519
a big third party with hardware for
a core Niche feels to me like Xbox's

960
01:04:53,639 --> 01:05:01,960
Dreamcast moments. Dreamcast moment is maybe
accurate to degree, there's probably some major

961
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,119
I think we're in a major shift. What does that look like for hardware?

962
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,920
And that's gonna be We're gonna talk
about this in detail here in a

963
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,960
little bit, but I think I
think they go just more boutique whatever that

964
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,920
ends up looking like. Yeah,
I think what I've been trying to tell

965
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,239
people for a long time now is
Xbox When when Phil Spencer says Xbox is

966
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,840
not necessarily just a box, I
think that is the future of gaming on

967
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,960
the whole, and I think that's
what the future for them looks like.

968
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,800
So it's almost like you know,
a Dreamcast moment. Parentheses positive because I

969
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,639
think they're going to branch out in
other ways and hopefully, hopefully teams will

970
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:42,360
still be there to support it right
from McConnell wood. But did number go

971
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,559
up as much as they need to? Apparently? Yeah, the number not

972
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:51,400
going up. From Soso roxo.
What would your advice to Xbox and Phil

973
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:59,159
Spencer be at this moment? Is
Xbox a problem for Microsoft? My advice

974
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,280
would be, first, I get
it, this is hard. I know

975
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,360
a lot of people are like this. These people definitely need to leave,

976
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,719
and I think they need to leave
in so far as like other people are

977
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,679
losing their jobs. Why do why
is the why are the people always always

978
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:15,320
get to keep it? But I
don't think some other leaders suddenly everything's different

979
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,159
from them. I think they still
kind of have a lot of the problems,

980
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:18,199
brought a lot of the same problems, And that comes back to just

981
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:23,039
like the environment that these companies exist
in. But that doesn't mean you can't

982
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,320
make some better choices. And I
think I would focus on the games.

983
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,159
I would be like, the number
one priority is putting out games that cannot

984
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:35,559
be denied in how good they are. And it's like that at all costs,

985
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:40,079
you know, up to you know, reasonable degree, But all these

986
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:44,800
other distractions need to like sort of
be put on the side burners and upfronts,

987
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,880
what's the next game that's coming out? Okay, it is. Everybody

988
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,719
who knows how to make a good
game is going to be sharing information about

989
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,639
how how to make it the best
game it can possibly be, and we're

990
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:56,480
going to be in there frequently making
sure that it gets to that point because

991
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,679
we want to support you. You've
done all this work. Let's make sure

992
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:02,039
it pays off and it's doesn't feel
like that's happened. That would be my

993
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:08,519
advice. That is the big problem
I feel in general is you know,

994
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:13,159
one hand not talking to another,
and we've heard about how hands off Xbox

995
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:15,880
has been in all of this,
and sot of just leting studios do their

996
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,360
thing, which is fine to an
extent, but seems like too much of

997
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,480
a good thing. Is too much
of a good thing here where studios are

998
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:29,039
lacking guidance under Microsoft is sort of
what feels like the problem is saying there

999
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:31,079
just needs to be more Yeah,
like you said, more of the teams

1000
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,400
working together and you know, rising
tide, sharing best practices, that sort

1001
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:43,079
of thing. Yeah, yeah,
from Raymond Octahl. With the backlash,

1002
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,400
you think they might think twice with
the next round of cuts to main xbox

1003
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,119
studios or are they just or are
we just going to see round three of

1004
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:56,119
pain. I think if there were
other studios to be closed, they would

1005
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:58,840
have just done them all at the
same time. They would have done it

1006
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,039
now, So I think that doesn't
mean there's more layoffs coming. There probably

1007
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:05,400
could be more layoffs coming, but
if they had in their brain that they

1008
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,920
were going to be closing other studios, that it would have made all the

1009
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,199
sentinel to just do it all at
the same time. So you could just

1010
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:15,440
take that beating those last things all
at once, instead of being like,

1011
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,319
oh, is this going to be
a death march going forward? They do

1012
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,319
that, they do it again in
a couple of weeks, a couple of

1013
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:23,880
months, they shut down more studios. It's going to feel like a death

1014
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,000
march, and that would be even
worse than it feels now, which it

1015
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:31,439
might be hard to imagine. Yeah, from green thumbs, studio closures have

1016
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,039
always sucked, but this is senseless. I hope the affected developers land on

1017
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:40,000
their feet big same here. Yeah, I mean it's especially I mean,

1018
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,720
I don't know what state Arcane Austin
was in. I really have zero idea,

1019
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,119
but we're hearing that, Like Tango
game Works was like, hey,

1020
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:49,159
we were pitching the sequel to that
game that everyone liked, and the people

1021
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:54,960
that made it are here. They
did not go with Shinji Mukami. Okay,

1022
01:08:55,079 --> 01:09:00,680
senseless is the word? Yeah,
Yeah, definitely cool. Fran nineteen,

1023
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,279
would you expect to uh? Would
you expect to see a PlayStation showcase

1024
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:10,960
announcement next week? Expect is a
strong word. I wouldn't be surprised as

1025
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,039
how I would put it. I
just heard May. That's you know.

1026
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:16,039
I'm gonna try try to be honest
with the stuff. I try to be

1027
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,600
open with it. I've just heard
May. I've heard a few things that

1028
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,600
might be in there that I can't
confirm, So I'm not going to be

1029
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,079
talking about any of that. The
d for the timing, I heard May.

1030
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,439
That's the best I have for you. So maybe next week, maybe

1031
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,720
later, I honestly don't know.
Yeah, there you go. From d

1032
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,319
cash one one four. I'm a
PlayStation gamer who also got an Xbox series

1033
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,920
access jen Boy. They make it
easy for someone like me to ditch them

1034
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,840
with lack of games going multiplayt and
now clear lack of intent to make unique

1035
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,239
games. Going forward. Yeah,
I'm absolutely true that you're a bet a

1036
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:55,039
lot of people are in that same
boat. Decash Yeah from Dean Charged Wolf

1037
01:09:55,079 --> 01:10:00,000
And this was the not super chat
that you read. Why are Japanese Company?

1038
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:03,119
He's like second Capcom flair, saying
while Western studios like Microsoft is flattering

1039
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:08,319
lower budgets, lower expectations. Well, hopefully we answer that one for you.

1040
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,520
Well, yeah, I mean a
lot of it's also like you know,

1041
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,479
for all things we said. On
top of that, you know,

1042
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,560
uh, the currency in Japan is
really deflated right now, so it's it's

1043
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,079
easy to like make country, make
a lot of money in other countries,

1044
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:24,920
and then when that comes back home
it goes really far. So there's a

1045
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:28,680
there's a lot of factors. It's
but I think when it comes down to

1046
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,279
it, they're making games that people
want to play, right, isn't that

1047
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:34,760
just what it is? Yeah?
I think so. I mean cap COM's

1048
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,720
on fire right now, I mean
all on a roll. Yeah, like

1049
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:45,520
just head after ahead, a persona
like a dragon. These things are growing

1050
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,279
bigger and bigger every entry. They're
doing the things we say, hey,

1051
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:50,520
you have something that worked, do
it again and build up that fan base.

1052
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,800
Oh and the seventh one is the
biggest one. The eighth one sold

1053
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,000
a million copies in a month,
like yeah, go ahea Christian. I

1054
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,960
also feel like Japan there's a lot
of workers protections, so like having one,

1055
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:10,920
yeah, being hard to fire somebody
and like having to buy the bullet

1056
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:15,920
and like for companies to like when
something goes bad, like the the higher

1057
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,680
apps, having to like not fire
people and like like reinvent themselves and like

1058
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:26,920
keep working on that stuff. Like
that makes people working at that company like

1059
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,800
more right, Yeah, they make
better games afterwards, after like being so

1060
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,720
much time in the same company.
You know. Yeah, it's very true.

1061
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,600
The teams want to be there and
they don't. They're not afraid that,

1062
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,279
oh I'm not goingting my job tomorrow, or at least very least not

1063
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,520
as much, you know, like
because people that's actually you know, that's

1064
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,760
a point that I hadn't really thought
about on a US. Japan doesn't really

1065
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:55,039
fire people, at least in the
business world. They it's very difficult shuffle

1066
01:11:55,119 --> 01:12:00,640
people around, and unfortunately, as
we saw the Kojima sometimes and get passive

1067
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,079
aggressively pulling them into positions until they
quit. But you don't really get fired

1068
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:09,520
so yeah, maybe, and you
and Jan were talking about That's what I

1069
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:14,079
was trying to think of on GMM
today. Uh. With Capcom in particular,

1070
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:16,880
they are learning from their mistakes.
Uh. The Street Fire six team

1071
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,560
talked about the fact that, you
know, the people who worked on five

1072
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:26,359
learned from their mistakes on five,
so going into Street Fire six, they

1073
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,079
just fix the things that didn't work. And why you know, stree Fire

1074
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:33,640
six is fantastic, Like yep,
some and the and these these teams were

1075
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,720
able to stick together for years and
years and years, not not always like

1076
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,560
one consistency, not always one hundred
percent of the team sticks around, but

1077
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:44,960
larger portions of the teams than in
a lot of other places in the world.

1078
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:47,239
Yeah. You you get a lot
of Japanese devs stick in the same

1079
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,720
company. Yeah, they made they
made their careers part of that exactly that

1080
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:56,960
company. Yeah. Yeah. Uh
from Mikey O'Leary. Just saw the New

1081
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,520
Apes, You're gonna end up wondering
if Bakla wrote it because characters constantly comment

1082
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,199
on or ask if things are important. All right, I can't wait.

1083
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:10,119
I actually looking forward to that movie. I like all of those apes movies.

1084
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:14,119
Kent of the apes movies, even
the even the the what's his name

1085
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,199
one? Uh, Tim Burton,
even the Tim Burton one. It's like,

1086
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:19,640
you hear the conversation they have about
on the dumb Truck today. I

1087
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:24,159
missed. I like caught portions where
I think Adam was talking a little bit

1088
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,079
about the movie and being excited about
it. But that's all I heard,

1089
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:30,680
basically talking about Yeah, basically talking
about how they're like dumb fund or anything.

1090
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,239
Apparently Paul Reiker big fan of the
Tim burn one. He just he

1091
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:42,600
likes halle Berry. Yeah, who
doesn't. Nick says, is this the

1092
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:47,920
shift from Xbox to Microsoft Gaming?
Yeah, I mean they'll keep the Xbox

1093
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,199
branding and they'll try to make it
as strong as possible because that's worth a

1094
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:54,680
lot more than Microsoft Gaming. But
yeah, basically yeah, I mean I

1095
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,600
think they internally have shifted their view
of what they are, and that and

1096
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,159
everything. All the choices that we're
seeing is then expressing that in ways that

1097
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:05,479
make everyone go, wait, what
the hell what about the console? And

1098
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,439
they're like, what do you what
about it? We don't give a ship.

1099
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,239
Yeah, So yeah, that's what
this is. We'll definitely talk more

1100
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:15,279
about that in a little bit here
j D Camp. Does Beckler like the

1101
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:20,239
sphere now because of the draft?
I haven't asked him. I will ask

1102
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:24,479
him though, how if his opinion
has changed about the sphere because of the

1103
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,760
NHL draft? Okay, I do
think we have a reporter on the ground

1104
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,680
who has joined the chat. No, I'm back, I'm back home.

1105
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,119
Hello, Hey Banani, how's it
going? Hi? Do you want to

1106
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:38,760
jump in? You want me to
stay away? No? You can?

1107
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,199
You can? I mean, yeah, hang out with us? So yeah,

1108
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:45,319
let's just do it. Oh shit, Oh he's trying to hop in

1109
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,479
pop in? Yeah, I want
make it work. There you go,

1110
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:54,399
look right, show with your wrist. I don't mean to cause a ruckus.

1111
01:14:54,399 --> 01:14:58,079
Did you tell her when I hurt
my wrist? I mentioned I mentioned

1112
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,840
something, but I don't know if
I like got to a lustrative with how

1113
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,039
that went down or anything. Don't
have very much info. Yeah, I

1114
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:09,479
mostly just said you were trying to
get out of your next flight club game.

1115
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:18,760
So oh it does hurt. But
what's up? He Hey guys doing

1116
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:23,800
You're doing good? It gets you
know? Why are so many people watching?

1117
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:35,039
I can't imagine why. I think
because you weren't here. Super chants

1118
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:40,960
and Earthing too. I honestly think
it's because of seot's headline xboxes failed management.

1119
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,239
I think people are from both sides
are here, should make heads He's

1120
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:48,560
better. You can continue. I'll
just comment on things if I want to.

1121
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,159
Okay, okay, we're just doing
super Chest right now. I feel

1122
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:58,000
for your time in Man with a
Stick. I was flabber acid by Bond's

1123
01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:01,399
unprepared response on Bloomberg and enough for
me to finally cancel twenty four months of

1124
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:10,079
Ultimate the lackadaisical attitude to failure at
the eleventh hour of execution discuss me.

1125
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:14,600
Wow, sorry, I lot big
words there. I missed what she said.

1126
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,199
I just saw it myself. I
literally just want it. Yeah.

1127
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:25,279
The person from Bloomberg was like,
hey, like, you know, this

1128
01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:30,159
studio just released a game that was
a successive one awards, right, like

1129
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,439
why should thumb down? Shouldn't they
be safe? And then Sarah Bond just

1130
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:38,600
kind of said nothing for a minute, like really just like words came out

1131
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:43,560
talking about I don't know if he'll
prepares, just like, well, like

1132
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,680
what can't she say? So she's
just like dodging the either she's ill prepared

1133
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:53,840
or dodging the question she should she
should have known that was going to come

1134
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,479
so that she didn't have an artful
way to get out of it. Yes,

1135
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,359
and not get out of but like
say something that means something but still

1136
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,359
acknowledges the reality of the situation.
Uh, and people would still get mad

1137
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:06,880
at you, but just having nothing
to say. I think this person's response

1138
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,279
is completely fair. You just fired
a bunch of people and you have nothing

1139
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:14,359
to say about it. Yeah,
right, Like, especially if you're going

1140
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:17,359
to give an interview. I don't
know, it's it's weird. I have

1141
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,239
no idea, like, like there's
a big question of like culpability of the

1142
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:25,680
Big Three. I guess in some
sense, like how much of this is

1143
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,960
them? How much of it is
the that I of saar on higher up

1144
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:31,079
at Xbox, like we've been talking
about, right, But of course Sarah

1145
01:17:31,119 --> 01:17:35,279
Bonn has some responsibility here, so
there needs to be like, look,

1146
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:39,119
if you if you fired them because
you needed to save money, just then

1147
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:41,840
say it, you know, don't
don't kind of dance around it or try

1148
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,960
to be cute about it. Yeah. Yeah, while we're kind of on

1149
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,560
the topic, Mike, did you
have anything else to add on anything we've

1150
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,279
talked about tonight, the whole Xbox
thing and everything. Just I mean,

1151
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:56,119
I talked about it on Tuesday.
It's weird that it seems to be getting

1152
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,279
worse right with like the reports of
more firing is probably coming. I don't

1153
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:04,119
know, just the confidence at an
all time low in that brand. It

1154
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:09,159
is, you know, it goes
back to I think Jeff has said this

1155
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:13,399
also how weird. We we both
thought it was from the beginning when they

1156
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,279
started to deemphasize the console and it
just seemed like, don't you need to

1157
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:23,000
sell the console to get people on
board with everything else, especially game Path

1158
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,199
and the kind of RESPONSI filler.
People's like no, no, not really.

1159
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:29,439
We'll go to like where gamers are
and it's like okay, well you're

1160
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,359
going there, but no one seems
to care or wants you there. It

1161
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:35,800
seems like inviting them to your party
would have been the better strategy, and

1162
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:42,199
instead you're kind of like holding the
sad party, and like the the invites

1163
01:18:42,279 --> 01:18:48,199
are about as inviting as that advertising
tweet for a hellblay two. God,

1164
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:51,359
that's such a bad too. We
see like they have like a real like

1165
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:55,640
tweet today like almost seemed like they're
like, oh oops, do you think

1166
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,279
that was because like they were also
sad, we can't like seem excited about

1167
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:06,199
anything. Okay, So I have
a little insight on this because Nikki was

1168
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:11,399
talking about this and they said they've
interviewed with the Xbox Social team before,

1169
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,039
and what they say is sound like. All I'll say is, it's not

1170
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:20,000
surprising to me that tweets like that
come out. Apparently there's a lot of

1171
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:26,720
needing to get approval on things,
and sometimes they just go extremely safe out

1172
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,680
is what sounds like. All right, Next up from a K again,

1173
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,319
who's responding to the super chest that
we already answered. That's how many super

1174
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:39,960
chests we got tonight? Everybody so
much. We're giving you money when I

1175
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:48,479
wasn't here. I still can't.
Don't worry. Mikey gets taken care.

1176
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,439
Don't worry. Also, am I
going to afford all these extravagant skating sessions

1177
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,560
where I hurt myself? I heard
that's how I hurt my wrist too,

1178
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:04,640
was skating, Mike a bad mistake. The only time I've ever broken my

1179
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:13,159
wrist falling down skating. So anyways, Ak says, oh god, it's

1180
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:16,960
scrolling because we got more. I've
already got a PC. Just really hate

1181
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:20,439
using Windows. I know, surprise, since I like the series X deck

1182
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,960
is nice streaming to the series.
Streaming the series X two deck with green

1183
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:29,720
light rules green Light, huh,
I I don't think I've used that.

1184
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,359
I guess Moonlight for Xbox like,
because Xbox does have their own streaming things.

1185
01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:38,640
I assume yeah, that's a third
party like chiacky like look, oh,

1186
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:45,239
break breaking news, breaking news by
my quack shot speed run has approved.

1187
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,640
It's been approved. Number are you? I am ranked thirty three in

1188
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:58,520
the world quack shot everybody. I
am an official quack Shot speed Runner did

1189
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,079
everybody until You'll be done? But
quite a while. His run is pretty

1190
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:04,800
good. Actually, I was watching
it, Well, how far up is

1191
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:10,079
he? Dan is like sixteenth on
me? Look, yeah, sixteen,

1192
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:13,920
he is sixteen. Okay, he's
got seven, like seven or six minutes

1193
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,680
on me right now? Okay,
okay, so it's gonna be even funnier

1194
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:21,359
when I just sneak my way in
there. All right back to it then

1195
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:26,720
from Annie for pres check out Cryptomaster, another excellent indie game to add to

1196
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,680
the podcast. Yeah, I saw
this. It looks really cool. It's

1197
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,359
kind of like monochrome survival, horror
first person looking thing. I don't know,

1198
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,359
it's got a lot going on.
I want to check it out.

1199
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,600
There's so many games right now again
freaking games, dude. I absolutely have

1200
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,079
to check out Animal Well because like
people are really buzzing. Sorry, the

1201
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:45,239
digital fart happened again. We got
to figure out what this is. Okay,

1202
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:47,680
Okay, this goes. It might
be a MIC I don't know,

1203
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,479
and then it might be something's dying
here. I mean, I'm gonna switch

1204
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,399
out my xceler cable go ahead and
my finish your story. I was like,

1205
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,399
what did I say? Because you
both like, I was like,

1206
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,399
I just said I wanted to play
Animal Well, whoa, you can't say

1207
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,319
that? Yeah, damn, but
but I really want to play a crow

1208
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:11,640
Country Like yeah, so good and
are so goddamn good. You know,

1209
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,800
I'm such a mark for that stuff
and they nailed it. Yeah, I

1210
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,600
need it. I need it,
dude, dude, I'll talk about this

1211
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,920
at the end of the show.
I figured out how to get a CRT

1212
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:25,520
Royal working as a reshade filter.
No, I'm gonna use it on over

1213
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,800
this weekend, buddy, I don't
know what what do you? Okay,

1214
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,960
Yeah, always fantastic. Yeah,
make that PS one game look real.

1215
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:33,640
Yeah. You know, what kind
of monitor do you have? Like you

1216
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,720
have a four K or do you
fourteen forty P? What send? Right

1217
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,119
next to me? Here is this
big, beautiful lg oled Oh okay,

1218
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,199
that's gonna look real good on that. Okay, I've already tried a couple

1219
01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:45,520
of things again I'll talk about later, but yeah, it's good stuff.

1220
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:50,640
It's good stuff from Burrito Jeff and
Mike. What the hell? What's the

1221
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:59,359
deal with grown men in their forties
aka Jeff and Mike skating slash rollerblading and

1222
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:02,680
eating shit? It hurts bad enough
when young. Also side note, I

1223
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:10,479
recently completed my first run of BG
three at two hundred and sixty hours.

1224
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:14,600
Damn. Maybe my Person of five
numbers look great, chump change. It's

1225
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,399
impressive because, like I beat botus
Gate three, I didn't do everything.

1226
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,439
If I mixed, missed out on
some stuff. You know, my playthrough

1227
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,199
was seventy five hours. It's like, man, somebody could play that game

1228
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:27,600
and beat it and played for like
over three times as much or whatever.

1229
01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:32,119
Wild why did you beat it?
I did beat it. Beat it.

1230
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,279
I knew it was coming I knew
it was coming, uh from Alex.

1231
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,600
I've never played a Fire Emblem game. What's the best one I could play

1232
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,079
right now that maybe no one would
have noticed if I played it for free.

1233
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:48,399
Which one's the best one with the
best fim boys? Oh that's that's

1234
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:55,600
the newest one. Okay, yeah, but I think three Houses is definitely

1235
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,800
the yeah price, so the one
to go with. Yeah, yeah,

1236
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,560
the only negatives like that, slightly
kind of muddier like it, but no

1237
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:10,319
feet Oh no, no, no
no, I've been Awakening, you know

1238
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:15,680
what. That's I was my brain. It's the best one, but yeah,

1239
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,600
it's not as exciting. Yeah,
so have you got three days laying

1240
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,680
around or well, if you're looking
to play it for well they said we're

1241
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:27,319
going to play for free, so
I assume that these things play Awakening.

1242
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:31,199
There you go from Ecto coolest.
Any chance banjo is still a thing given

1243
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:40,239
Microsoft's heart harsh cuts. I don't
know, I mean his banjo. Yeah,

1244
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:45,399
we've been asking his banjo of things
like remember remember these this were happening.

1245
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,680
We're like, oh wow, maybe
like they're going to bring back franchises

1246
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:54,840
like hex in asshole. I remember
that Hexan shirt that he is just wearing

1247
01:24:55,279 --> 01:25:00,800
apparently was just wearing for fun.
Yeah, L grug in an attempt to

1248
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:05,039
ask a more lighthearted question, was
the deal with super Fly Johnson and Dai

1249
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:11,359
Kitana? Does he exist just to
anger Jeff? I'm not one who yeah,

1250
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,359
like like this is not an abnormal
thing. No one likes like accompanying

1251
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:21,000
NPC characters through levels. But I
really don't like it. I really hate

1252
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,800
it. And the idea that this
whole game now is going to be that

1253
01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:28,479
is, Oh, it's going to
get better. I don't think it's going

1254
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,039
to get better for me. I
mean that was supposed to be the whole

1255
01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:33,279
selling point, Like that was supposed
to be the big tech show piece of

1256
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:38,119
the game. Was he was the
companion AI, right, And apparently it

1257
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,279
was like breaking on early on it
was something they could were like really struggling

1258
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:43,439
to figure out, but they already
promised it, so they had to do

1259
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:48,399
it. Something Romero was very guilty
of on at ID was going online and

1260
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,720
talking with fans and like being like, Yep, this is gonna be the

1261
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,840
biggest shit ever. Here's all this
stuff we're doing in Karen shut up.

1262
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:58,439
Yeah, except he would actually feel
abligade to have that stuff in the game,

1263
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,159
right, yes, totally, Uh, Brandon Bishop, I'm loving Hades

1264
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:05,000
too, but man is a heart
to get excited about gaming right now,

1265
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:09,439
It's no longer enough to just make
a great video game. It sucks and

1266
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,840
I'll say, hey, you found
Hades too again, we'll talk about more.

1267
01:26:14,039 --> 01:26:18,000
That's the future gaming right there.
Play play play your indies, play

1268
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:21,960
play your games to from the future. As Jeff put the exactly, Yes,

1269
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,000
that's a great sweet games from the
Future gets from the past. Those

1270
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:32,079
are good. I don't know.
Uh. From the uncharreed Wolf, Mike

1271
01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:39,920
is doing the thing he hates on
Christian for right now. Christian Mike's the

1272
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,159
marquee picture here. Look, he's
thinking up most of the big frame for

1273
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,239
a reason. I'm sorry, you
want Christian to come in and make a

1274
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,399
nine to eleven joke? Is that
what you really want? We've got enough

1275
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:56,000
of those. Actually from Connell Wood, what species from Zelda? Would you

1276
01:26:56,039 --> 01:27:03,159
all be Goron's human bird people?
Fair? I'm glad we said answered,

1277
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:09,760
I want to be a bird person. Yeah, but you are the most

1278
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:17,159
gore ass motherfucker. I don't want
that for a compliment. You're like,

1279
01:27:17,279 --> 01:27:21,840
you're you look like tough, like
rock I know, but I want to

1280
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,479
be a bird. You can roll
around like Smon. I want to fly

1281
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,880
away. You want to live on
a mountain, all right Forrest Gump Uh

1282
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:36,279
Jesus from Jacob Bench Mike hype up
Chrono Trigger context. Here a Bench is

1283
01:27:36,279 --> 01:27:40,479
playing Chrono Trigger for the first time. Yeah, Trigger is still won the

1284
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:45,119
best jargees ever. It's kind of
the It's always it's like the Hollywood blockbuster

1285
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,520
of JRPGs. It's very fast paced
and has all the stuff that you want

1286
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:56,760
and it all comes at you real
quick or something exciting constantly happening. It's

1287
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,279
simple in ways, but all of
it is executed so well. It just

1288
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:05,399
feels very premium, even today with
being older. Obviously one of the best

1289
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:11,079
sound tracks of all time, when
the prettiest Super Nintendo games Crena Trigger is

1290
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:15,479
was and always will be one of
the best game experiences you can ever have.

1291
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,479
I mentioned I mentioned that's one.
I feel like Square Enix Blind Spots

1292
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,159
a surprising one. I've never played
all the way through Chrona Trigger before.

1293
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,880
I have been watching. Eric van
Allen has actually been doing play through for

1294
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,399
Axle Blood God Twitch channel and I've
been tuning into those streams here and there

1295
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:33,239
and just sort of like watching and
passing. And I haven't watched the recent

1296
01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:35,359
ones because I want to spoil it, because you know, it is an

1297
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:39,439
RPG I want to play for myself. Yeah, I just that's just a

1298
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,399
game I need to play. But
again, there's so much to play right

1299
01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:45,439
now. And yeah, I guess
I think we're all kind of like at

1300
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,720
some point they're going to do some
kind of re release or something with Krona

1301
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:55,680
trigger, but you would think last
one for now. Willow Davis, I

1302
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,840
missed the world when I still had
Mike's rest in it. How about this

1303
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:02,680
hurt? It was weird because I
was like, it hurt immediately. Then

1304
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,600
I was like, oh, maybe
it's okay. Then then it hurt too

1305
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,680
much until I was driving and turning
the wheels and oh that hurts. That's

1306
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,680
weird. So mine hurt really bad, and I was like worried. Yeah,

1307
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,000
that literally the exact same spot I
was worried. H And then I

1308
01:29:16,319 --> 01:29:19,199
did wrap it up and like kept
it compressed and kept it raised about my

1309
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:24,319
heart for like about a day,
and it just like kept it elevated and

1310
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,079
it got better, really really fast. I was surprised how much how quickly

1311
01:29:28,079 --> 01:29:30,199
it healed. So I bet it's
fine. I'll see how it feels in

1312
01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:31,760
the morning. I know that guy. It's the good. Yeah, very

1313
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,319
If you're not having a lot of
pain constantly, you're probably gonna be fine.

1314
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:36,880
Yeah, I think it's fine.
Mean, you know, like the

1315
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,119
risk because I'm just old, like
hurts more often than it usually does.

1316
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:45,800
I sleep with a brace on it. Anyways, it's already you know all

1317
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,159
that quack shine it right, all
right? Yeah, I mean you're in

1318
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:54,840
your forties now, you know,
you two and a half sweet years left.

1319
01:29:54,880 --> 01:30:00,560
You gotta let me enjoy them,
all right, Well that Jesus like

1320
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:05,479
Jeff, I'll be practically dead.
People will just like people just said,

1321
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,720
shit, smell machines to my house
and I'll just be grudgingly plug them in

1322
01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:14,920
and let you stop watching right now
because it's not billing off, thankfully.

1323
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,159
So oh we got we got will
more here from Willow Davis. Mike could

1324
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:24,640
still play black Club but can't beat
it. Oh, I shouldn't know.

1325
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,680
That's t M. I Oh,
I know what you're about saying, that's

1326
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,680
TM. I all right, Well, that doesn't for the super chests.

1327
01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:40,199
That's what it was. It was
actually too much. It was yeah,

1328
01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:45,680
hey, you come at me.
I warned you. I knew what was

1329
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,560
doing. I knew this is what
we get chat. Thanks a lot.

1330
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:54,720
Anyways, thank you AJ. That
was your like forty plus minutes of super

1331
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,960
chats. Thank you so much.
You glad I'm back. Yeah, thank

1332
01:30:59,039 --> 01:31:01,079
you everybody for those two but Chat's
really appreciated. If we get anymore,

1333
01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:03,520
we will read those as well,
so feel free to send those in.

1334
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,159
Thank you for the over seven hundred
people that are watching. We're gonna take

1335
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,479
another quick break. We're gonna get
set up for the second half of this

1336
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,600
show. We'll get right back after
the second half. How long have you

1337
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:19,680
guys been going? Eh? I
thought I was coming in at the tail

1338
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:28,920
end. We just doted Mike and
we're back. And what we're going to

1339
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,720
talk about now is what we think
gaming's going to look like in like five

1340
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,279
years, so whatever the timeframe is, what it is. Uh, let's

1341
01:31:34,319 --> 01:31:38,479
you know, we've talked a lot
about like what's happening right now with Xbox

1342
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:44,800
sending you a little bit on PlayStation
Nintendo in five years. Let's start with

1343
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:49,039
you, Mike, what do you
think gaming looks like, hmmm, I

1344
01:31:49,079 --> 01:31:53,600
don't want to be as crazy pessimistic
as I am feeling in this moment.

1345
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:58,520
Yes, I am concerned, though
again the biggest thing that concerns me there's

1346
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,359
multiple things, but just how much
more expensive and longer games are taking to

1347
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:06,520
make. And we see how that
is disastrous for things like a suicide Squad,

1348
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,640
but for just any studio, because
it's like, okay, well,

1349
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,079
if we're gonna put you on something
like a Red Fall, like that's gonna

1350
01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:15,119
be the game you are working on
now for eight years, and if it

1351
01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:20,680
doesn't hit, it is somebody gonna
really pay for you to try again anymore.

1352
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,560
And even Nintendo and you know they're
they're like Q and A with investors,

1353
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,720
like, yeah, we also expect
our games to take longer and be

1354
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,880
more expensive to make even there,
and like that's a scary thought. Like

1355
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,439
right now, it's great that we
still get an Attendo games at a pretty

1356
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:40,920
fast clip, a little slower this
year for obvious reasons, but that like

1357
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,720
hits up with the Nintendo too,
that's scary. So if something doesn't happen

1358
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,680
there, if everyone's just like,
well, that's the way it is.

1359
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:53,079
I guess they're gonna take longer and
be more expensive. Then I'm pretty concerned

1360
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:55,880
about the future of Triple A gaming. I think there's just gonna be more

1361
01:32:56,119 --> 01:33:00,359
retreating to a handful of games,
and you'll get things like a great Thought

1362
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:02,600
of six, maybe the last of
US three, and big things like that.

1363
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,680
Sure, even Capcom and Capcom'm doing
great now, that's awesome. Nobody

1364
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:11,439
a few people are bigger fan cap
on me right now. But we're still

1365
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,119
talking about infinite growth. They are
going to eventually not be able to make

1366
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,359
more money one year than the other. Like if something is going to peak

1367
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:24,319
or change or just be different and
they're going to have a bad year,

1368
01:33:24,359 --> 01:33:28,960
and then what that's it? All
the past success doesn't matter anymore. So

1369
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,960
there's a lot of challenges in that
tripway space and in that traditional console space,

1370
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:36,199
and it's very hard to see where
that is, where it is five

1371
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,960
years from now. It's hard to
imagine it's in a great place. But

1372
01:33:40,039 --> 01:33:43,880
meanwhile, indias seem to be doing
really well. And they're also just at

1373
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,199
a spot now where an indie game
doesn't mean only so many things anymore.

1374
01:33:48,279 --> 01:33:53,760
Right, an Hindi game could be
almost any kind of game now and there

1375
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,039
are gaps and indie games are filling
them in, and I think indie games

1376
01:33:57,039 --> 01:34:00,479
are going to continue to do that. Yeah, Sean, you were when

1377
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,279
we were like talking about alluding to
this topic earlier. You're like, Hey,

1378
01:34:02,279 --> 01:34:04,840
we're going to talk about that when
we set indie games. Do you

1379
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:10,359
want to jump off on that point? I think Mike just really already says

1380
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,760
up, good for it, because
the more things inflate, the more we're

1381
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,439
going to look to these very small
teams. And you know, like Mike

1382
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,880
said, indie can mean a lot
of things. It really it's a stupid

1383
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:28,279
title in general. But these teams
of like even just one person or like

1384
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,920
a small handful of people making something
small on scope, and that's all they're

1385
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,880
trying to do. They're not getting
a ton of a feature creep obviously everyone

1386
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,159
always does in their projects, but
they can keep in check and they're going

1387
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,159
to put this smaller thing out for
somewhere in the like you know, eight

1388
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:47,520
to twenty dollars range on Steam.
Sometimes you'll get something that's a little more

1389
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,359
premium, like your Hades that that's
going to be more in the thirty dollars

1390
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:55,319
range. But broadly speaking, these
smaller games are going to be the things

1391
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:59,680
that are more sustainable in the long
run, because we don't have these massive

1392
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,840
teams. Is trying to make something
that's wildly unrealistic goals for their parent company,

1393
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:08,520
for whoever they're working for. And
I think that's that's going to be

1394
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,640
a thing that sticks around more where
we're wondering what is the next big game

1395
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,079
from Xbox, from PlayStation, from
whoever. But you'll always just be able

1396
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:21,680
to look to Steam and see,
Hey, this dope new PS one style

1397
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,880
horror game or whatever just came out
on Steam. We got another one of

1398
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,800
those. Everyone can check out and
have fun with her the weekend. I

1399
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,239
think those are going to be more
and more important. But the other thing

1400
01:35:31,279 --> 01:35:34,800
that I want to talk about was
hardware, and I think this is something

1401
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:41,000
that we're seeing all the platforms really
outside of Nintendo, because fuck, five

1402
01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:43,720
years from now, ten years from
now, twenty years from now, Nintendo,

1403
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,479
good Nintendo. They're going to do
whatever the hell they want and it

1404
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:51,439
will probably be successful. They're almost
out there. They will have their misses,

1405
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,399
but they'll probably succeed in the end. Y, Yeah, they'll they'll

1406
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:59,239
have They'll probably have a WEU situation
again where they just completely misread the market.

1407
01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:01,640
But you know, I don't see
that happening with this next system,

1408
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,880
probably even after that. But when
it comes to hardware in general, I

1409
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:11,159
do think we are going to see
PlayStation going more into PC gaming and maybe

1410
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:14,720
leaning into the PC handheld or their
own handheld in the future. I do.

1411
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:15,479
I don't know if it would be
their own handheld, but at least

1412
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:20,239
like partnering in that way. Microsoft. You know, they're talk to a

1413
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:23,960
lot of eight on them tonight,
but they are moving in ways that I

1414
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,960
think are smart, and moving into
cloud based gaming and everything like that.

1415
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,720
I know we're not the biggest fans
of stuff like that, but if they

1416
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,000
can start making it better, there
is an audience for that. There is

1417
01:36:34,039 --> 01:36:38,720
a market for that who will just
bust out their phone, play a game

1418
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:44,319
that they can easily just access by
paying for a subscription, mess around with

1419
01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:45,760
for an hour or whatever, and
then get back to whatever they're doing.

1420
01:36:46,279 --> 01:36:50,479
There is a market for that.
They just need to find the right the

1421
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,000
right way to get out to those
people. So I think we're going to

1422
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,520
see things become more hardware agnostic as
a whole. Doesn't mean that your box

1423
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,119
is going away forever. Maybe we
get to the point, probably not within

1424
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:05,159
five years, but maybe starting to
get into like the ten year even fifteen

1425
01:37:05,239 --> 01:37:11,119
year point where maybe consoles are boutique. Maybe they are something that is more

1426
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:15,279
of a limited run thing, a
PlayStation direct thing where you're a record player.

1427
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:17,760
Yeah, it's maybe like a record
player thing, right, like vinyl

1428
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:23,359
where you know your your you know
your console with your physical copies and all

1429
01:37:23,399 --> 01:37:26,920
that. That is a boutique thing. But everyone analog will become one of

1430
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:31,439
the major creators of consoles, right
maybe, yeah, maybe, who knows.

1431
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,640
I I really like a lot of
those points. And Mike, you

1432
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,760
mean earlier mentioned earlier like, I
don't want to be as pessimi pessimistic as

1433
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,479
I feel in this moment. I
think that that's a really good point,

1434
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,880
because there's every chance in the world
that in five years we're like, hey

1435
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:49,880
man, remember how bad we were
feeling about games a few years back,

1436
01:37:50,039 --> 01:37:53,239
and now look at this. A
bunch of kids from gen Z woke up

1437
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:56,359
one day and that they decided they
want consoles, they want to try out

1438
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:59,479
those games now. I hope that
happens. That is one of my big

1439
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,960
fears too. Really, it's just
like none of them ever really adopt let

1440
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:06,359
alone consoles, but just kind of
like games outside of the Big five or

1441
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:12,079
whatever. Yep. But I think
there's a chance that they'll like get bored

1442
01:38:12,079 --> 01:38:15,199
of that stuff eventually and want to
try doing different stuff. And if one

1443
01:38:15,239 --> 01:38:18,399
of these companies can stick it out
to the point where they're waiting for that

1444
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,640
audience, they could capitalize. I
think that's what happened at the beginning of

1445
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,279
the PS four generation, and it
could happen again. That's like the positive

1446
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:30,479
scenario I think, you know,
the very realistic scenario is we are in

1447
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:35,880
a long transition period of you know, we talked about infinite growth for making

1448
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:42,119
money. We were in infinite growth
for returns on technology for since the beginning

1449
01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:45,319
of making video games, and we
did plateau on that in about twenty sixteen

1450
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,880
and games just you know ten ADP
sixty is not every game at that point,

1451
01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:53,319
but a lot of the games that
looked about as good as anything else,

1452
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:57,600
we're hitting that, hitting that mark
at that time, and we just

1453
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,159
don't need games that look that much
better, and you know, the but

1454
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:01,880
it's is before our very eyes.
We got Red Dead, Redemption two in

1455
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,399
what twenty eighteen, and no game
really actually looks better than that, No

1456
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:09,079
game really looks better than the Last
of Us Part two from around the same

1457
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:14,159
time, because the limiting factor is
money. So I think what we are

1458
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:18,359
what's happening right now. Part of
what's happening is that we are learning that

1459
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:24,039
games are not just technological marvels,
and they aren't just things meant to wow

1460
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,760
us with their graphics and fidelity,
that there is more to them than that.

1461
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,079
And you know, I think we
know that, but there's a wider

1462
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:33,359
audience that that's the expectation since the
beginning, and so it's like it's taken

1463
01:39:33,399 --> 01:39:38,600
a long time to unlearn that.
And I think the indie scene is beginning

1464
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,640
to bubble in a way where people
are like, oh, the Lotro,

1465
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,039
that's an interesting idea. This is
a game I'm going to play forever.

1466
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:46,640
And I think there's there's a chance
in like by five years from now,

1467
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:53,119
like we are much more receptive to
games coming out of anywhere and looking like

1468
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:56,359
any sort of different take on games. And it's a lot more like the

1469
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,720
music scene, where it's just like
there's little pockets of diferent kinds of games

1470
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,880
that people are playing and everyone is
finding something that they like and not you

1471
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:08,000
know, there are the GTA sixes
that will blow up and be massive,

1472
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:12,199
but the normal expectation is you're gonna
find your audience and you're gonna play to

1473
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:14,239
them, and you're gonna do really
well and the occasionally there's going to be

1474
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:16,840
a big hit, but you should
be playing to an audience. And I

1475
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,640
think we can get to that point
and sort of reset the expectations for games,

1476
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:25,159
and it's a world where these smaller
teams can make that make sense.

1477
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:30,600
That would be something that feels more
sustainable long term. Now, when it

1478
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,800
comes to Xbox, Sony, and
Nintendo, I think that the the boutique

1479
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:40,279
scenario seems likely for Microsoft. I
think PlayStation will continue being like the consumer

1480
01:40:40,319 --> 01:40:44,399
electronics brand and Nintendo will continue to
being the family brand. Whether or not

1481
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,680
that's going to be satisfactory for any
of those companies, I think Nintendo will

1482
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,079
be able to make it work.
But whether it like being the Hey,

1483
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:53,560
we're going to appeal to people who
really want the high end piece of machinery.

1484
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,439
Over at Sony, they want more
growth than that, and they might

1485
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,840
be in a situation where they have
to like to try some stuff and make

1486
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:01,640
that that makes sense. I still
don't know what that looks like. So

1487
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:05,640
five years from now, I think
we probably have a Microsoft that's putting out

1488
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:10,760
games everywhere, and they have a
box that has an Xbox name on it,

1489
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,640
but it's like the equivalent like a
Steam Machine or something like that,

1490
01:41:15,159 --> 01:41:16,600
something that looks like that, where
it's just yeah, it's a PC.

1491
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:19,479
You can put whatever you want on
there. They call it the Xbox.

1492
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,920
It costs a lot of money,
but it runs games really well. And

1493
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:29,319
then over at PlayStation they are doing
the PlayStation six and it's mostly what we

1494
01:41:29,359 --> 01:41:32,279
expect. And then in terms of
just everything else, I feel like this

1495
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:35,479
industry has got a lot of figuring
out when it comes to the next form

1496
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:39,119
of business model to make them money, and I think they're going to keep

1497
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:42,680
floundering on that. I don't think
there is any obvious answer there. I

1498
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,199
think it is making a cool,
new interesting game that will be the answer,

1499
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,560
not some new way to monetize us. And I think that's going to

1500
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,840
take them a long time to figure
out. That's not something they want to

1501
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:56,079
be doing over and over again as
well. So sometimes forget just how young

1502
01:41:56,119 --> 01:42:00,279
this industry still is, yes,
and I think it kind of had felt

1503
01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:02,000
the same and had the same players
for such a long time that maybe you

1504
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:05,560
can't ticket for granted that's always going
to be that way. So maybe,

1505
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:10,279
you know, maybe it is finally
really going to change soon, and maybe

1506
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,319
it's gonna change in a way that
like some people like me aren't gonna like.

1507
01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:15,880
But uh but who knows, And
maybe it'll change a ways that other

1508
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,800
people like you know, these younger
generations do like. And that's fine,

1509
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:24,319
right, that's life, right.
I think we'll find a way to like,

1510
01:42:24,399 --> 01:42:27,479
we'll find our way in gaming,
Like I'm not playing, say,

1511
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,960
there will be games for me to
play like old and new. It'll be

1512
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,479
fine. But yeah, like that
traditional you know, that's kind of what

1513
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,239
I was getting at, Like maybe
PlayStation Xbox aren't the future of gaming like

1514
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:40,720
you know, for so long for
me that that was synonymous with gaming,

1515
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:45,079
which you talked about VA games,
you mostly meant playing things on a PlayStation

1516
01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:47,640
or an Xbox, and I don't
I don't think that's really going to be

1517
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:53,199
true, though we brought a couple
times earlier in the show, because it

1518
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,960
is emblemaca where things are going.
If even someone like you who you know,

1519
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:00,039
maybe itself and midlely Eve a little
stuf burn about is like, no,

1520
01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:01,960
this this is the way things are. This is the way things will

1521
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:06,319
always be, sort of seeing,
Nah, change is coming and maybe it

1522
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:10,800
looks ugly for me, maybe it
looks ugly for everyone, but change is

1523
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:15,359
coming, and I think every everyone
will have something to play, you know,

1524
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,479
even if, like like you said, different generations are in different things.

1525
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,000
We're a little bit further apart.
So I'm into some things that you

1526
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:24,520
guys aren't. Like, I have
a bigger tendency not a lot, but

1527
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,319
I do have it at a higher
tendency to play mobile games and stuff like

1528
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:31,399
that, or newer ips that I
grew up with, and I think there's

1529
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:34,720
gonna be those. There's gonna be
the old eyep sticking around that you guys

1530
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,319
are more interested in, and there's
gonna be the live sort of stuff.

1531
01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:42,000
I think it's just how much of
each we see is gonna change. When

1532
01:43:42,079 --> 01:43:46,000
Jeff brought up the indie thing again
of what development looks like on that,

1533
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,279
I didn't realize. I want to
say before we move on here, that

1534
01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:53,960
I forget what the name of the
game is, so forgiving there. But

1535
01:43:54,039 --> 01:43:58,520
it was one of those like one
person or small teams steam games that came

1536
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,880
out and it was a horror game. But it's me an Unreal Engine five

1537
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:06,479
and they were very smart with it
where they used a VCR you know VHS

1538
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:14,119
tape filter over everything just gently and
just a little bit of obfuscation, just

1539
01:44:14,199 --> 01:44:17,880
like sort of hiding everything. Made
this Unreal Engine five game look like real

1540
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,319
life. It is the rain in
Jurassic Park one. I like that.

1541
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:26,079
Yeah, Like, if you're smart
with the tech that you have on hand,

1542
01:44:26,319 --> 01:44:29,479
you make something look really good.
I think that's that's going to have

1543
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:31,439
to be what we see more of
going for because if, like again,

1544
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:35,560
one person or a small team can
make something that looks photo realistic because they

1545
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:39,840
are given the tools to do so
and they are smart with how they use

1546
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,880
them, I think we're gonna need
more than Orphus to stay sustainable. Here's

1547
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,239
here's my final prediction. Donkey will
be the President of Video Games and fucking

1548
01:44:48,319 --> 01:44:53,000
yeah he deserves it. Yep,
it finally happened. Also, I think

1549
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,840
my mic is dying as what it
is. Yeah, that's what it seems

1550
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,880
like. Yep, we'll figure it
out. I'm going to restart everything,

1551
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,720
plug everything back in, and I'm
plug it after the show. Make it

1552
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:06,960
work, all right. We got
some one sentence responses from our podcast producers

1553
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,359
about what they think the future looks
like. Nick Turbo says, Chinese handhelds

1554
01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:15,319
for all I'm trying to read this. Just make sure you line up,

1555
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:16,319
sure, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta look the other

1556
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:20,039
way. They're perfect, perfect,
all right, and then let's see here.

1557
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:24,720
Uh. Vince jac says it'll be
fine. I don't think we should

1558
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,359
really fear for the end of gaming. Yeah, not the end of gaming.

1559
01:45:28,079 --> 01:45:30,399
Maybe the end of gaming as we
know it, but that's, you

1560
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,760
know, different than the gaming has
always been changing. The gaming as we

1561
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:39,239
know it has ended several times arcades
are dead, right, like this has

1562
01:45:39,279 --> 01:45:47,560
happened over and over again. The
host portal says pretty rough, Steam and

1563
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,119
indeed most likely are the most likely
games leading the way. Yeah, I

1564
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:55,520
mean, I think that's definitely like
the way I feel because and like I've

1565
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,439
always said in Indians, like early
access on Steam feels like that's where anything

1566
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,880
can happen, and not anything feels
like it can happen on these other consoles.

1567
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,000
Uh. The rebirth rebirth Wolf five
says, I don't care as long

1568
01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:11,399
as from Soft Nintendo are still making
games. I think you like read along

1569
01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:14,760
with the sentence there. Wow that
was pretty good. Yeah, that's really

1570
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:18,319
good. Yeah. I mean a
lot of people's favorite developers aren't gonna be

1571
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:23,920
going anywhere, right, Well,
I mean, what's upon a time?

1572
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:28,000
I thought that, Uh, I
thought that the Arkhama Asylum people Rock Steady

1573
01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:30,720
would have been pretty safe for a
long time. Today everyone's real worried about

1574
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:34,720
them. Things change, things can
change, yep, Okay, yeah,

1575
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:39,960
I mean if no, they're gonna
be rough forever because they're doing great right

1576
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,520
now. Never mind, you're you're
right though, you're right, you definitely

1577
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,279
are. Jackie G says old Man
yells at cloud. Well that's the name

1578
01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:51,319
of the show. Are you talking
about? Casual says I think we as

1579
01:46:51,319 --> 01:46:59,479
a society will revert to an egg
based economy. Yeah times even yes,

1580
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,920
even Genesis fairly similar to how it
is literally right now, sparse releases,

1581
01:47:03,039 --> 01:47:06,800
same old free to play model games
making all the money, and Nintendo being

1582
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:12,359
the last true holdout of the of
the ways of old. Yeah, I

1583
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:14,640
think maybe five years ago, in
a lot of ways could feel like,

1584
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:16,720
that's not too far away, and
things will probably be mostly the same,

1585
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,079
maybe like ten years, just the
one where it's like, hey, that

1586
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:24,000
could be anything at that point,
but we'll see, screaming Maddens is the

1587
01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:28,039
Nintendo will be fine, whereas Madden
will carry the PS six and Xbox seven

1588
01:47:28,079 --> 01:47:31,279
to twenty. These should just eventually
do an Xbox seven to twenty, right

1589
01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:34,560
if they're gonna stick keep making hardware. I mean, what's the last Xbox

1590
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:41,680
people feel real good about? Huh? Why not? Paul Giamatti says less

1591
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:45,840
meaningful gap between mobile and console tech, with more games scaling for mobile as

1592
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:49,800
a priority and consoles as a more
niche cross play slash save option. Yeah,

1593
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:53,479
I mean we do see that.
We'll see this with iPhone. More

1594
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,239
and more games are just working with
that because they can just work with Apple

1595
01:47:56,239 --> 01:48:00,600
devices across the board. Right now, you got fifteen pro all just straight

1596
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,479
up play PS four level games,
and I think you know as that trickles

1597
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:08,960
down to the lower models and future
models, mobile game is going to get

1598
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,680
better as an option, especially if
you slap a backbone on that sucker chift.

1599
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,960
Do you saw, Speaking of mobile, do you see that new I

1600
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:21,319
neil DS that has like a deeducated
poor for like GPUs that you can connect.

1601
01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:26,600
That's kinna what. I don't know
if I saw that one, but

1602
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,479
I mean, I know there's ones
that work with like e GPUs. Is

1603
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,399
that what you mean? Yes,
yeah, I don't know if I saw

1604
01:48:32,399 --> 01:48:35,079
the device, but yeah, I
know they are capable of doing that for

1605
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:41,119
sure. Velocity Prime one says,
honestly, Xbox is mostly a third party

1606
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:45,199
publisher. Sony still has that console
but is shifting the PC, and Nintendo

1607
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:49,119
stands firm as the console manufacturer.
Always be clothing slash cork. He says,

1608
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:55,960
welcome to Hell and has Prince's Peach
in Hell. Joy Z says,

1609
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,600
past peach. Yeah, you know
you're look at that. Okay, I'm

1610
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:08,000
coming. I'm not put my eyes
right under her dress. Joyce says,

1611
01:49:08,039 --> 01:49:10,920
I honestly don't feel the industry at
large has changed much in the last ten

1612
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,560
years or so, so I don't
think it would look meaningfully different. Yeah,

1613
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,399
like, what what was ten years
ago? Twenty fourteen? I don't

1614
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:20,560
know. I've heard a launch of
PS four. Yeah, that felt like

1615
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:26,119
okay, maybe that was a false
bravado, but that felt like man everything

1616
01:49:26,199 --> 01:49:29,960
is going to console gaming's way in
that moment, because we thought it was

1617
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,439
going away, because we because it
was like, oh, everybody said mobile

1618
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,560
is going to kill this, and
look how many people still play console games.

1619
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,319
Guess they were wrong. So there's
a little bit of a swagger there.

1620
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,680
But you know, mobile never really
went away, and then they started

1621
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:48,640
putting things like Fortnit's on mobile.
Some kids weren't just playing like you know,

1622
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:54,479
you know, Candy crush Er,
you know birds right, so they

1623
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:58,359
were playing like a game that they
could actually play forever and be their only

1624
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:01,279
game on there. So that became
a pre weeze. Man says, dudes,

1625
01:50:01,319 --> 01:50:05,000
I really hope Switch two have keeps
having as many weird indies as its

1626
01:50:05,039 --> 01:50:09,840
predecesssor I think indie games will keep
coming out like mad on the Switch too,

1627
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,640
because they sell really well on the
Switch. Oh yeah, absolutely,

1628
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,079
Jamie h. Christmas Eve says one
Epic will try and fail to launch a

1629
01:50:16,079 --> 01:50:20,960
handheld PC. Tim Sweeney will somehow
playing Apple to Mike will have a run

1630
01:50:21,039 --> 01:50:27,640
at a g DQ and three Scary
Jeff will Stressful still be escorting super Fly

1631
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:32,520
Johnson through Dai Katana. Yeah,
five years Terry Yaki Blue says, hopefully

1632
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:36,840
jobs are more secure, and that
feels like that'll never happen. That's like

1633
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:43,640
the thing where're like, yeah,
or at least right. Mister Buller says,

1634
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,039
Google Stadia first launched almost five years
ago, so I'll predict that we'll

1635
01:50:46,039 --> 01:50:50,119
have another non gaming company make an
ill conceived attempt at entering the market before

1636
01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:54,920
quickly shutting it down. Yeah,
that was another thing from like ten to

1637
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,600
five years ago, Like Amazon and
Google felt like that, all right,

1638
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:00,760
we're coming in, everyone, get
ready, And now that feels like laughable

1639
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,000
because they know how difficult that would
be. They both like kind of learn

1640
01:51:03,039 --> 01:51:09,279
their lesson the hard way. Freedom
of Liberty Ball says Xbox will be the

1641
01:51:09,319 --> 01:51:15,680
call of duty only platform. Yeah, but it can't because people just play

1642
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,039
it on PlayStations. So then there
just won't be an Xbox if that's what

1643
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:20,920
they want. Tried. I know
they're joking, but you know, like

1644
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:26,640
that can't be the strategy. Nope, I mean it can be if they

1645
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,439
don't care if there's not an Xbox, though, I mean no, the

1646
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:32,880
next Xbox is gonna be the biggest
generational leap ever. Yeah, that's right.

1647
01:51:33,039 --> 01:51:38,520
They do say that Symbiosis says Sony's
proposed for ray into live service games

1648
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,479
surprise doesn't pan out. It's working
well well for hell Divers too, although

1649
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:45,039
I bet that's going to be difficult
to replicate. It's going to be difficult

1650
01:51:45,039 --> 01:51:47,119
to replicate. But like, I
mean more again, I asked them for

1651
01:51:47,359 --> 01:51:51,000
okay holds giant success. How many
more of those do they need? Because

1652
01:51:51,039 --> 01:51:56,960
getting one seems like a miracle.
So if they have three of those,

1653
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,640
are they just now? And when
you say it like that, it's like,

1654
01:52:00,039 --> 01:52:02,439
well, we got it everybody,
so uh, you don't need to

1655
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:08,199
work on yours anymore. It's like, no, oh fuck that suck.

1656
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,119
Cass Bucker says multiple indie games will
regularly make it into the big game of

1657
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:16,239
the year and top ten sales chart. Yeah, I think you guys were

1658
01:52:16,279 --> 01:52:21,199
getting to this earlier. The like
sort of line of demarcation between indie games

1659
01:52:21,239 --> 01:52:25,439
and Triple A games will get blurrier
and blurrier, Like it's gonna be like,

1660
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,359
yeah, this is photo realistic.
This looks just as good as anything

1661
01:52:28,359 --> 01:52:30,520
else. The tools will be there
in a lot of ways, So I

1662
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:36,000
agree with them. Obert says,
I think we are primed for two to

1663
01:52:36,119 --> 01:52:41,039
three of the forever games falling off
big time to be replaced, replaced by

1664
01:52:41,079 --> 01:52:45,760
fresh trends. My money is on
Microsoft fumbling Call of Duty somehow. Yeah,

1665
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,239
incredible, these games will I mean
it feels right now the last,

1666
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,560
the last forever, but they won't. There will be a time when these

1667
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:55,680
things do get replaced, right Yeah, And it's like part of me feels

1668
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,319
like, oh, I don't want
to celebrate that. No, but it

1669
01:52:58,319 --> 01:53:02,239
would also kind of be a good
thing. Well. I mean, I've

1670
01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:05,319
been playing manner Lords. You gotta
leave some ground fallow for a year,

1671
01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:10,560
like sometimes you need to like rotate
your crops right like or else you get

1672
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,239
a dust boll. I mean that, honestly, I think that's some pretty

1673
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:19,039
good metaphor. I think how counter
Strike, Yes, what I about to

1674
01:53:19,039 --> 01:53:23,199
say, like count Strike has to
be in the same video game for the

1675
01:53:23,279 --> 01:53:28,319
last for sure. I think the
select few will stick around and have their

1676
01:53:28,359 --> 01:53:31,199
audience like your Fortnits. But yeah, but I don't think like I think

1677
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:36,479
the idea is that, like counter
Strikes, success never seemed like it was

1678
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:42,399
sucking the oxygen out of the room, even at its highest point. Yeah,

1679
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:46,199
and all I think that the getting
Call of Duty and other things happening

1680
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:50,119
during that. Yeah, right,
and I think that these the biggest games

1681
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:54,479
sort of do having that effect.
I think that will fall off the other

1682
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:59,000
Yeah, Fortnite's not gonna go away. Minecraft's not gonna go away. I

1683
01:53:59,079 --> 01:54:09,319
don't know. Can robots like Everyone's
peoples nobody keep bringing in new kids Aroust

1684
01:54:09,319 --> 01:54:11,319
of two thousand and six, so
they definitely an bring in new kids.

1685
01:54:11,359 --> 01:54:15,399
It's effectively just a tool set,
so if a better tool set comes along,

1686
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:17,439
then it will get replaced. Anything
anything look is going to be bigger

1687
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:21,319
because people's making games and road looks
now they even show it in that and

1688
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:27,760
whatever presentation that happens, like a
couple on some show taste. Yeah,

1689
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,960
yeah, cut you off, fine, Christian, please feel free to speak.

1690
01:54:31,039 --> 01:54:35,960
My friend Jedi Moss for says you. Also, you all will still

1691
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:40,800
be waiting on those Zelda ports and
Nintendo will still never release them. Son

1692
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:45,239
of a bitch. I mean,
it's been like longer now since the release

1693
01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:47,439
of the WIU version than it was
between the original release of wind Waker and

1694
01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:51,560
that WIU version. That's weird.
My least favored factoids. Just I hate

1695
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:55,520
that so much. This is from
what I said earlier. You don't have

1696
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:59,840
to read it. Also, yeah, skip it. It's more. I

1697
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:02,239
know. I was like a hot
shot, like I can make mind slightly

1698
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:08,159
longer because I'm important around well,
Lenny Cool Dick Denver came in and uh

1699
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:12,600
and got it right with no new
F zero game, that's all possibility.

1700
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,880
Yeah, like very likely. Vander
Lyle says Xbox past Capcom one hundred billion

1701
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:23,920
to make dan Hibiki an Xbox exclusive
street Fighter seven character. I want while

1702
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:30,319
you're smoking billion, It's nowhere near
enough, is it? By? Is

1703
01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:33,199
this that Dan? Is that Dan's
last name? Bicky? Yeah? DANKI

1704
01:55:33,359 --> 01:55:39,319
yeah, I don't know a last
name. It's yeah, He's just He's

1705
01:55:39,359 --> 01:55:44,800
just Dan, all right? Where
am I at? Bob's too? Like

1706
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,800
its in hades two. I don't
really think that's Bob. Why would it

1707
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:50,840
be bop all of a sudden,
I don't just like the way that the

1708
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:59,640
ease makes it sound in my head
bomb Bobby too. It's like it really

1709
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:01,800
threw me off. I don't really
think much will change. Sol Throat a

1710
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:06,119
fun one Apple Bye, Sody the
PlayStation brand, Slash the PlayStation brand.

1711
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:12,319
Sure, why not? Mason's underscore
w says, I feel Nintendo and Steam

1712
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:15,720
will be fine, but Microsoft will
be a majority third party and Sony will

1713
01:56:15,079 --> 01:56:20,119
make a fewer Triple A games and
double down on live services. Dr Ryan

1714
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,680
says, I honestly don't know,
and trying to think of an answer for

1715
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:26,520
this made me really bummed. I
don't want video games to go bad.

1716
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,279
I've been playing them since I was
five, and I don't want to stop.

1717
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:31,600
And again, I think we're gonna
find stuff to enjoy. It's just

1718
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:35,600
I do think maybe it would benefit
us to like looking places we haven't before.

1719
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:41,079
That's all Finder Joy elsewhere exactly.
Yeah, get an Amiko, get

1720
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:44,640
an Amiko, Let Tommy just show
you the world, or get the new

1721
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:46,520
Roger. Ally they're going to announce
tomorrow, right, Yes, I was

1722
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,640
wondering if someone's gonna bring up that
up as a super chat. If not,

1723
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:54,199
we'll talk about it here in a
second. Nolan Water says new game

1724
01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:58,039
consoles will be released every few years, similar to phones with incremental updates.

1725
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,640
Do you think that that's an idea
could still work? It's I mean,

1726
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:06,079
if you're already having a trouble selling
consoles, I don't know, selling more

1727
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:11,399
of them more often. I mean, maybe it's a matter of taking advantage

1728
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:15,000
of the crowd. You know you
have and you know that they would maybe

1729
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:19,000
great that often. Maybe, like
I said earlier, like I think maybe

1730
01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:25,039
Xbox just go all in on making
real high end stuff and making a really

1731
01:57:25,079 --> 01:57:28,600
expensive game console. I don't know
if you could do that every like two

1732
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,079
years, if you're gonna go that
route though, Yeah, I think dedicated

1733
01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:34,960
consoles will never do their home consoles
at least, but we're gonna see more

1734
01:57:35,079 --> 01:57:40,439
Steam Deck like stuff moving forward.
I think those are things that I'll have

1735
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:44,279
more work well, like Rock Ally, right, like the original Rock Allies

1736
01:57:44,359 --> 01:57:46,359
not that old. They're not like
a new one tomorrow, a couple of

1737
01:57:46,439 --> 01:57:49,640
years between them. Like yeah,
yeah, it's gonna have the same process

1738
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:51,760
or and the same screen. It's
gonna have a bigger battery. It's basically

1739
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:57,279
doing with the Steam Deck O Leed, just without the O lead. Yeah.

1740
01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:00,439
I mean, honestly, it's not
that much number because the only thing

1741
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,960
that the Roger Ally really needs other
than a better version of Windows is a

1742
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,640
bigger battery. Like that's that's huge
for that thing. That'll make it much

1743
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:10,840
more useable. All right, Where
am I at? Here, I think

1744
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:15,000
with Hammett of Texas, I choose
correctly as a kid when I decided to

1745
01:58:15,039 --> 01:58:17,680
become a PC gamer. PC was
the best choice then and will continue to

1746
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:21,039
be the best choice in five years. Yeah. I mean, I'm never

1747
01:58:21,079 --> 01:58:24,720
going to regret the time I've spent
with consoles, but I am mostly a

1748
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,760
PC gamer at this point, and
it does feel like that is a safe

1749
01:58:28,199 --> 01:58:31,279
platform due to its openness, just
openness making it sort of be like,

1750
01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:34,760
feel like it can weather whatever comes
and gets thrown at it. Yeah,

1751
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:40,880
every once in a while I have
good calls, actually quite frequently because just

1752
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:45,600
as ianalyze sit so much. But
dude, two of my favorites are one

1753
01:58:46,119 --> 01:58:50,239
I called Fortnite, but no one
believed in that shit. But two back

1754
01:58:50,319 --> 01:58:54,439
in twenty thirteen, me and my
friends were going into college and they were

1755
01:58:54,439 --> 01:58:57,279
asking me these new consoles. What
do I get? Do I get the

1756
01:58:57,279 --> 01:58:59,560
PS four? Do I get the
Xbus one? I said, neither.

1757
01:59:00,119 --> 01:59:02,479
We all build gaming PCs, And
it was the best decision my friend group

1758
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:10,479
ever made. Yeah. Yeah,
sure, I made that decision. Like

1759
01:59:10,479 --> 01:59:13,000
a couple of years after that,
I'm like, I learned the hard way

1760
01:59:13,039 --> 01:59:16,640
after trying to enjoy those consoles.
Uh, Jerry Bipps is game Freak buys

1761
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:26,479
Square Enix. Uh yeah, sure, but like that's not sensical. Knee

1762
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:30,319
deep in blood and guts says the
console space will have collapsed, leaving Tommy

1763
01:59:30,359 --> 01:59:33,840
tall Rico with a perfect opportunity to
rebuild it in his I already made in

1764
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:40,359
a Mico joke. Do you know
he was in Creeves twice? Oh yeah,

1765
01:59:40,399 --> 01:59:44,600
he was in Cribs twice. He
was very proud. Yeah. I

1766
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,239
do like the idea of a gaming
future that like where Tommy tall Rico is

1767
01:59:47,359 --> 01:59:53,159
just the Biff Tannin with the book
of like you could see that sports Yeah,

1768
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:57,680
the Sports Almanac. Yeah, that's
that's very good. Dominal Crossings.

1769
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:00,319
I'm sorry, sorry is that to
say it? I really like back to

1770
02:00:00,399 --> 02:00:08,479
the future. We we down and
it's been like mostly unsolid compared to a

1771
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:12,760
lot of other things. I'm sure
us so hot man. I think they

1772
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:15,119
did a legacy sequel to that,
now that'd be a bummer. Uh do

1773
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:19,600
Middle Crosses as Metro Prime four will
probably be be out knocks on wood.

1774
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:26,279
Let's not get crazy your legacy sequels. How about that Galum movie? Yeah,

1775
02:00:26,359 --> 02:00:29,520
what are they doing there? That's
well. If it's called The Hunt

1776
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:33,560
for Gollum, I assume it's the
story of Eric Gorn slash Strider hunting for

1777
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:39,359
Gollum, which okay, yeah,
the whole movie of that. Wow,

1778
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:45,640
No, you do a whole trilogy. I mean, you're not going to

1779
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:48,479
get Vigo, are they? Vigo's
gotta be Does Vigo look old yet?

1780
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:56,680
I don't know. It's the corner. Yeah, why did they hunting in

1781
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:03,880
column? Because it's literally so it
literally happens in the books after Gallam is

1782
02:01:04,199 --> 02:01:10,119
uh taken in by more door and
is interrogated, then Strider hunts him down

1783
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:15,119
so that they can interrogate Gallam themselves. Basically cool. Being directed by Andy

1784
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:20,600
Serkis, who did another movie recently
that wasn't very good, uh kroaching Boomer

1785
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:24,039
which one wasn't very good. I
can't remember the name of it, but

1786
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:27,640
I remember he was like he directed
a movie and he did like all the

1787
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,079
press for it, and then I
remember like reading that the reviews weren't very

1788
02:01:30,119 --> 02:01:32,000
good. I'd have to look it
up. Crowdchi Boomer hit and Zoomer,

1789
02:01:32,039 --> 02:01:38,359
says a Captain Toad in every house, the true dream of Marx finally coming

1790
02:01:38,399 --> 02:01:42,920
to Fruition, two time champ bfamer
says, I'll be the seven time champ.

1791
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:49,600
Five Anything I say about Hack fifteen
oh one said let them oh that's

1792
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:54,159
right, Yeah, he wanted them
too. That's right. He's let there

1793
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:58,600
be carnage. He let he let
there be carnage. And and that's that

1794
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:02,039
was his contribution to art. What
you say it's about movie China disagrees with

1795
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:05,479
you. Okay, we kind of
don't care what there is about to be

1796
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:10,840
huge in China. Hacked fifteen oh
one says they will be tell them about

1797
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:17,680
the Easterly. Well, that's not
a reference to the to that's no little

1798
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:21,840
boy, Hacked fifty oh one.
Since there will be fewer Triple A and

1799
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:26,600
Double A as the buyouts will end
in more closures, but more smaller studios

1800
02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:30,279
will pop up, the B game
debs will continue to suffer. Yeah,

1801
02:02:30,359 --> 02:02:33,439
I mean, I think if you
are trying to be a big company making

1802
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:38,640
small games, that's gonna be a
difficult thing to pull off. Despite what

1803
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:42,119
Matt Booty says, Although you know, I do. I want them to

1804
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:45,159
figure that out, but I don't
know, right, Like, I'm so

1805
02:02:45,279 --> 02:02:48,000
glad Ubisoft made uh you know,
Prince of Persia and the other Prince of

1806
02:02:48,079 --> 02:02:55,279
Persia that's coming out. It it
seems like maybe they aren't being big hits

1807
02:02:55,319 --> 02:02:59,359
and it's it's upsetting. Uh,
And I don't know why that is the

1808
02:02:59,439 --> 02:03:02,199
case. I don't know how you
fix that problem. And maybe the problem

1809
02:03:02,319 --> 02:03:05,439
is even though hey, you're a
big company, you're making smaller games.

1810
02:03:05,479 --> 02:03:10,159
That's great, but your expectations for
them are still kind of big, right,

1811
02:03:10,359 --> 02:03:14,359
Like I bet Print the Prison Lost
Crown still sells so better than pretty

1812
02:03:14,399 --> 02:03:17,720
much every indie Metroid VNA outside of
like a hollow night, right, but

1813
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:23,760
is that good enough? I don't
know. That doesn't seem like him see

1814
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:27,119
low Rules says Sony and Xbox will
make two games a year that are blockbuster

1815
02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:30,880
style games, and Nintendo will still
be making a ton of wacky games.

1816
02:03:30,039 --> 02:03:34,279
I hope, so Team money Og
says switch To will be the top selling

1817
02:03:34,359 --> 02:03:38,439
console. Sony will be releasing more
games on PC day and day, and

1818
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:42,319
Microsoft will release only Call of Duty
and one other triple A game per year

1819
02:03:42,439 --> 02:03:45,800
at most. I mean it does. I mean there was that like,

1820
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:47,279
hey, we're gonna have a game
of Quarter and that even that feels like

1821
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,800
are you ever going to really get
to that point now, because it doesn't

1822
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:57,680
seem like that's your interest anymore.
H Adam GC says hopefully more publishers acting

1823
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,239
like Sega of all companies, doubling
down on stuff like jet Set Radio,

1824
02:04:00,279 --> 02:04:03,279
Golden Acts, et cetera, to
fill in the gaps between Triple A.

1825
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,760
I thought that was the super game
jet Set Radio. Yeah, they still

1826
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:12,159
have the super games coming. Yeah, that's I hope that strategy works out

1827
02:04:12,199 --> 02:04:15,640
for Sega. I'm yeah part of
it, like I really want it to.

1828
02:04:16,119 --> 02:04:18,760
Yeah, there's that part of me. It's like, look, I'm

1829
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:24,039
excited for Streider. I got.
I hope other people are, like,

1830
02:04:24,119 --> 02:04:26,880
you know again, like, yeah
they have what lizard Cube I think is

1831
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:30,199
making that Strider game. It looks
amazing. I should know, but yeah,

1832
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:32,439
should no be excuse me. I
got my sixteen bit Ninjas mixed up.

1833
02:04:33,439 --> 02:04:35,640
But it's like, oh, man, if you like, is this

1834
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:39,319
really gonna do much better than the
Prince of Persia game, I don't know.

1835
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,800
Maybe not, but it also doesn't
have to, you know, maybe,

1836
02:04:44,079 --> 02:04:46,560
well it doesn't have to. Again, it's all about their expectations if

1837
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:51,800
they're okay with exactly like I better
have little expectations for their weird Golden Ax

1838
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:56,720
game that they're sure. You know, we talked about diffence between Western Japanese

1839
02:04:57,399 --> 02:05:00,960
developers and publishers early in the show, and that is one of the differences

1840
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,000
as well. It's just the expectations
over all. These I think they scope

1841
02:05:03,039 --> 02:05:05,960
at lower, so smaller, right, I mean obviously screenx is the poster

1842
02:05:06,079 --> 02:05:11,680
child for terrible expectations, but outside
of them, it seems like these other

1843
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:15,199
companies can keep the scope lower.
I don't know what I'm expecting for them

1844
02:05:15,239 --> 02:05:16,279
in terms of, like, dude, sake, I think I think it's

1845
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:20,279
a success. I just hope those
games are actually high quality. I would

1846
02:05:20,399 --> 02:05:23,159
that's what I want from you.
And if you know you can get,

1847
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:27,079
you get stuff like art system work
celebrating when one they're fighting games sells over

1848
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:30,439
a million copies because they're like this
is crazy, how insane this is,

1849
02:05:30,479 --> 02:05:34,319
whereas one million for so many Western
companies would be a total waste of time.

1850
02:05:34,479 --> 02:05:40,319
Yes, uh, let's see here, zoommrs. I believe is yeah,

1851
02:05:40,359 --> 02:05:43,600
gaming on the go and multi platform
games will be the things that thrive.

1852
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:48,119
Plus wider adoption of VR compared to
now Yeah, I mean would be

1853
02:05:48,119 --> 02:05:50,560
have VR. I don't think.
I just don't know if that's VAR.

1854
02:05:51,079 --> 02:05:55,640
I don't know about VR. I
mean, look, Apple did the Vision

1855
02:05:55,680 --> 02:06:00,359
Pro and no one cares about that. So I was also like, eleven

1856
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:05,119
hundred dollars, No, a lot
higher. Keep going higher, Mike,

1857
02:06:05,159 --> 02:06:10,600
what's the price, you thigures?
I keep going no, yes, yes,

1858
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:15,159
yes, yes, two hundred hot
higher. You're still really far away.

1859
02:06:15,439 --> 02:06:20,079
Thousand dollars bingo, No, it's
it's thirty five hundred. I thought

1860
02:06:20,079 --> 02:06:25,159
it was thirty five hundred. I'm
pretty sure it's three k okay either way,

1861
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:33,680
what the hell for? What's basically
a better quest three? Some real

1862
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:40,399
good porn on there? Hundred?
Yeah, the block on porn work on

1863
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:43,720
there? They blocked it. You
can't. It's for work on them?

1864
02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:47,079
Oh god, it does. It
does not function with the like the API

1865
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:50,479
s or whatever the protocols. I
believe. It just doesn't have a video

1866
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:54,159
player, is what right? It
doesn't have the accurate kind of video you

1867
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,560
need to use, like their approved
apps or something. A left hand joke

1868
02:06:59,399 --> 02:07:02,840
like like a Dylan Infinite Wealth says
Mike is elected King of Gaming. No,

1869
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:06,640
that's for Dunky. Yeah, I
already said that, Donkey I'm sorry,

1870
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:11,840
I'll be emperor. Yeah, there
you go. Tommy Pencil says Nintendo,

1871
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,359
Capcom from soft and indies will be
fine. God help the rest of

1872
02:07:15,439 --> 02:07:20,520
the industry input name here, says
Minecraft two. God is that something they

1873
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:25,760
eventually do Minecraft two? It can't
work. You'll like all these other things

1874
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:27,560
you try to do with too,
like yeah, the big hit. It'll

1875
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:33,720
be like Kerbal Space program too.
Yeah, like ever quit that's a whole

1876
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:35,960
that's a whole thing. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't think there's

1877
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:40,279
ever a Minecraft. No. What
if they have like a huge update and

1878
02:07:40,319 --> 02:07:43,239
they call to Minecraft to like counter
strike to is culture Strike too? But

1879
02:07:43,279 --> 02:07:47,399
I mean that's what overwatched two was, And if they need to do that,

1880
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:51,439
they it's it's kind of fucking simple
and blows my goddamn mind that they

1881
02:07:51,439 --> 02:07:56,920
don't do. Is you need to
call it two point zero? Yeah too,

1882
02:07:57,479 --> 02:08:00,640
because then people can continue just calling
it, you know, just Minecraft.

1883
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:03,399
But if it's the two point zero
update, you make a big deal

1884
02:08:03,479 --> 02:08:07,119
of it, but still Minecraft,
you know. Yep, that's that's true.

1885
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:09,520
H J D Camp says me,
and motover will retire. What do

1886
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:13,760
you say five years from now?
Mimoto is fully retired. I mean,

1887
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:18,359
I think his responsibilities will continue to
become less and less. Uh, He'll

1888
02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:20,960
he'll be like an ambassador. You
won't have like that title, which is

1889
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,520
like a real honorary thing when you
become an ambassador. But that's a lot

1890
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:28,399
of what he'll be doing is you
know, he'll be working on the cross

1891
02:08:28,479 --> 02:08:33,920
media stuff a lot. He'll be
showing up for openings and premieres and pictures

1892
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:37,159
and and things like that. I
think he's going to be less in the

1893
02:08:37,279 --> 02:08:41,199
trenches of game development. Yep,
fud Sex says will be introduced to qu

1894
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:46,680
quintuple A games. It's just yeah, it's only a matter of time now.

1895
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,079
It is incredible. And of course
the one game like Xbox is throwing

1896
02:08:50,119 --> 02:08:54,319
the quadruple A thing around for is
the one that sounds like is in big

1897
02:08:54,439 --> 02:08:58,720
trouble. Yeah, big trouble,
trouble. It's in trouble. Like I

1898
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,520
mean, like I was saying when
I talked about that, that's a lot

1899
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:05,399
of games are in trouble during development. Maybe more one was famous, right

1900
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:09,920
yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly
like that last minute, right, so

1901
02:09:09,039 --> 02:09:15,159
who knows? Who knows? Uh, let's see here from Breadfish Gabe Nowell

1902
02:09:15,279 --> 02:09:18,079
will have died, but Robin Walker
will have taken over Valve and promises Half

1903
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:24,960
Life three incoming any day now,
okay yeah? Uh Valve and Steam is

1904
02:09:26,039 --> 02:09:31,159
like a question right because it's privately
owned and Gabe Nowel does die one day,

1905
02:09:31,439 --> 02:09:33,159
I don't know, five years from
now. That's that seems soon.

1906
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:37,239
That seems soon. But he dies
one day, It's like, man,

1907
02:09:37,359 --> 02:09:39,960
what happens to Steam? Then?
No way? I continue to wonder if

1908
02:09:41,039 --> 02:09:45,800
like it's Microsoft biding their time until
they can make the move, then I

1909
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,319
think would stop them? Yeah,
I mean I do worry, like once

1910
02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:52,359
it, once you know that happens, then who her own? Steam?

1911
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:56,600
Will just make it public so you
can make that always go public? The

1912
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,840
same problem we have everywhere Wellen,
all of a sudden there's the shareholders it.

1913
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:03,760
You know, nobody's who made their
money guessing that iPhones would be popular

1914
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,560
twenty years ago. Who now get
to decide what we're going to do with

1915
02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:11,159
Half Life? Sounds great? Who
gets thought? Who gets who hits?

1916
02:10:11,239 --> 02:10:16,279
The knives? Were breaking in and
stealing? Yeah, that's the heist,

1917
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:18,600
that's what we're doing. I don't
forget how terrified I was when I was

1918
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:26,199
late to the freaking uh of what
was their card game artifict it The day

1919
02:10:26,399 --> 02:10:28,600
I was late to us, I
couldn't find their office and I walked into

1920
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:33,239
the room and it's just Gabe Nowle
in the middle of like giving a presentation

1921
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:35,279
to like six people. I just, oh, I was doing this,

1922
02:10:37,319 --> 02:10:41,000
take my seat. Yeah, I
thought you're gonna say, gave Nowel is

1923
02:10:41,039 --> 02:10:46,319
there with a whetstone where you've been, buddy? Look, your office was

1924
02:10:46,439 --> 02:10:50,640
very difficult to find. I can't
understand why. They probably don't really want

1925
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:56,159
to, like vow come here.
Yeah, no, let's see here Vision

1926
02:10:56,279 --> 02:10:58,319
forty nine. It feels like it
has already started. But there's going to

1927
02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:03,560
be some of reckoning with Forever Games
ability to cannibalize future projects, even if

1928
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:09,279
players sentiment towards them is poor.
It's increasingly tough to compete with free Yeah.

1929
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,720
I think these companies do need to
figure out something where it's like,

1930
02:11:11,319 --> 02:11:15,640
yes, these games are big and
they're free, and they are good at

1931
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:18,199
making a lot of money, but
at a certain point they do feel like

1932
02:11:18,279 --> 02:11:22,479
they like make it more difficult for
the industry to grow overall, and the

1933
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:26,119
games get so big and intimidating,
maybe they don't attract gamers the way they

1934
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,520
once did. I don't know.
Yeah, it is kind of silly that,

1935
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:33,520
like, I'm sure we thought this
would be an issue, but we

1936
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:37,520
never really like seem that worried about
like well, hey, if everybody plays

1937
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:41,880
Fortnite forever, like like, aren't
less people gonna buy other games? I

1938
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:45,439
was like, ah, no,
it'll be more. You know, people

1939
02:11:45,439 --> 02:11:48,880
would always throw that out those the
game pass things like are people gonna buy

1940
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:50,239
this game less if it's on game
Pass? To be like, actually,

1941
02:11:50,279 --> 02:11:54,039
they're gonna buy it even more than
they would before. It's like, well

1942
02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:56,760
that seems counterintuitive. I don't know
if I believe that. Yeah, I

1943
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:01,640
think there's other issues here at play, because like mijo Yo keeps putting out

1944
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:05,920
new games. They don't have to, but they do. They could you

1945
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:09,359
know, they could ride Gensch and
they could ride whatever, but they put

1946
02:12:09,399 --> 02:12:13,399
out star Rail, they're playing out
ZZZ. You can have these like service

1947
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:18,439
oriented games and still have new projects. But what do they keep doing.

1948
02:12:18,439 --> 02:12:24,079
They keep playing out free service based
games. So maybe it's like the monetization

1949
02:12:24,199 --> 02:12:26,319
on and all this stuff change.
Well, I mean maybe, but maybe

1950
02:12:26,359 --> 02:12:28,520
that is the right path where It's
like there is a certain player that just

1951
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:31,520
wants to play through some content and
then they're done with the game, and

1952
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:35,039
build your game to be to serve
that player, and then also build the

1953
02:12:35,079 --> 02:12:37,840
game to serve the player that wants
to just play that one game for forever,

1954
02:12:39,399 --> 02:12:41,760
and they can do that, and
then that other player can move on

1955
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:45,960
to your next game, and then
next game they might they might have figured

1956
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,000
out there, you know. That's
why I try to emphasize like because you

1957
02:12:48,039 --> 02:12:50,800
can play those games it's just a
single player you know, open world adventure

1958
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:56,000
games or a turn based persona style
RPG, but you can also yeah,

1959
02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:58,279
get get into the like collect your
wife, wos or whatever stuff for the

1960
02:12:58,359 --> 02:13:03,479
people who like that free to play
stuff. They're kind of servicing both audiences

1961
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,960
there. I think that's why they're
finding success. Like we said a lot

1962
02:13:07,039 --> 02:13:11,720
through this episode, things are just
changing. Uh. Nick says Bilatro cinematic

1963
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:16,640
universe that seems inevitable. Willow Davis
says everything will be played within Mark Zuckerberg's

1964
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:22,720
metaverse and they will remove human avatars
in favor of furries only furries. Let's

1965
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:24,920
is that still happening? We should
we should go check it out. We

1966
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:28,760
should. We should all go into
the Facebook metaverse. Yeah they really like

1967
02:13:30,199 --> 02:13:33,960
Are they really like, yeah,
that's gonna take off? Yes? Absolutely,

1968
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:41,880
I know they were like that.
Are they still liked? God,

1969
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:45,319
we should we should go. I
got a met aquister. Let's go check

1970
02:13:45,399 --> 02:13:48,560
that out for Giant. U B
says will be mostly run by indie games,

1971
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:52,079
with only a handful of Triple A
games per year per year, along

1972
02:13:52,159 --> 02:13:56,079
with one quadruple A game like every
ten years, like Skull and Bones.

1973
02:13:56,199 --> 02:14:00,600
I still I still can believe Scots
came out this year because again, like

1974
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,439
other kids came out, and they
seemed like so notable and missing the mark

1975
02:14:03,479 --> 02:14:07,880
that we can't stop talking about them, Like Suicide Squad. Nobody even wants

1976
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:15,039
to talk about Skull and Bones,
and I I really can't believe Gimmel said

1977
02:14:15,079 --> 02:14:18,600
with his human mouth that that game
was quadruple A. He really said that

1978
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:22,479
a month before it came out,
like well after, like you should have

1979
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:26,279
had any chance, right, yeah, wow, and only met by it

1980
02:14:26,479 --> 02:14:30,239
actually was that it's a live service
game. That was reasoning, I think,

1981
02:14:30,359 --> 02:14:31,520
I think, And also that it
took a long time to make right,

1982
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:33,479
It's like, oh, this game
took ten years to make. So

1983
02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:39,640
that makes a quad a oh okay, uh Clink says Nintendo's next console will

1984
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:43,640
be successful, but not nearly as
well as the original switch. I do

1985
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:46,239
worry about that three DS effect for
the three DS was a success, not

1986
02:14:46,399 --> 02:14:50,279
nearly as successful as the DS though, right, yep. I think as

1987
02:14:50,319 --> 02:14:52,439
long as they're able to make keep
their profits pretty steady, they'll be fine.

1988
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:56,279
They'll be happy with it all.
Yeah, in general, like whenever

1989
02:14:56,319 --> 02:14:58,560
there is the direct sequel, like
any s Super Nintendo, we do we

1990
02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:03,319
you ds a three DS, even
game Boy to game Boy Advance. I'm

1991
02:15:03,319 --> 02:15:09,039
not as sure about that, but
generally oh no, yeah, yeah,

1992
02:15:09,399 --> 02:15:11,399
the sequel does not do quite as
well as the original, but so they

1993
02:15:11,439 --> 02:15:16,079
can maintain three DS, that would
be okay because three DS still sold insanely

1994
02:15:16,199 --> 02:15:20,199
better than most consoles. It we
still have like eighty millionaires on that's a

1995
02:15:20,279 --> 02:15:24,760
great number. That's a great number. But again, just the way everything

1996
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:28,800
is, no, it's line's got
to go up right to do it?

1997
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:31,319
Do like, I'd be happy,
trusty, I wouldn't really like, you

1998
02:15:31,359 --> 02:15:35,119
know, I want to sit here
like I'm enjoying this less because it's not

1999
02:15:35,319 --> 02:15:39,359
selling as well as the less console, But I don't know how investors will

2000
02:15:39,399 --> 02:15:41,479
react to that. I think Nintendo
knows this, and I think they're like,

2001
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:45,479
we're still going to do it because
we're going to take that time to

2002
02:15:45,479 --> 02:15:48,920
figure out what's next after that,
and in the meantime we will diversify with

2003
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:54,159
more parks and more movies and things
like that. That's why they're reception out.

2004
02:15:54,399 --> 02:15:58,720
But also when you are an independent
entity who has insane amounts of money

2005
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:03,319
in bank, the shareholders are relatively
happy because they know your companies right,

2006
02:16:03,399 --> 02:16:09,279
and THETENDO is lucky on that front
that they seem to have more patient or

2007
02:16:09,359 --> 02:16:16,000
reasonable shareholders and all other companies met
Lawrence's GameCube has just hit NSO and the

2008
02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:20,880
world is healing, and that's their
optimistic take. Yeah, I do.

2009
02:16:20,319 --> 02:16:24,399
Man, am like, are there
any other consoles coming to the NSO,

2010
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:28,720
because maybe something Sega, but there
hasn't been a Genesis game adding in forever,

2011
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,000
so something's kind of gone cold there. I still just don't know if

2012
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:35,799
we ever see GameCube on there for
whatever reason, So like, maybe maybe

2013
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:39,799
we'll get typographics and I'll be happy
and everyone will call me a boomer,

2014
02:16:39,479 --> 02:16:46,520
A happy boomer. Freshly stream game
says there will not be a Viva Pinata

2015
02:16:46,079 --> 02:16:52,639
revival. Man, Yeah, I
don't think so either. No, yeah,

2016
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:54,840
probably not. There was a time
where I'm like, yeah, they'll

2017
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:58,680
get to that eventually. I don't
feel that way right now. Tink says

2018
02:16:58,799 --> 02:17:01,399
indie games as far as the eye
can see, that's how it feels already.

2019
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:03,879
So yeah, it would have been
sabe. Maybe in five years silk

2020
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:07,639
Song will be out. Maybe.
All right, that does it for the

2021
02:17:07,680 --> 02:17:11,360
podcast producers input. I think what
we'll do now, let's take another break,

2022
02:17:11,479 --> 02:17:13,639
then we'll come back. We'll get
the super chats talk about what we've

2023
02:17:13,639 --> 02:17:20,280
been playing right after this. All
right, we're back and there are more

2024
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:24,040
super chats, and Sean, I
want you to read them. Awesome.

2025
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:30,000
First up, we got Tino starts
here. Mike Youbara recently made a tweet

2026
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:33,440
that might be insineing Phil's hands might
have been tied. Do you think the

2027
02:17:33,559 --> 02:17:37,399
Holy Trinity of Xbox, Phil,
Bond, Booty, Jesus, we're overruled

2028
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:41,719
by the one true King Satya Nadella. I think, like we said,

2029
02:17:41,159 --> 02:17:46,239
we talked about this earlier, I
definitely think that there is increased scrutiny.

2030
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:48,360
I don't think Satia Nadella came down
and said, you have to do this.

2031
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:52,879
I think it is the situation of
they feel a little bit more pressure.

2032
02:17:52,239 --> 02:17:54,079
So now they are looking around and
being like, we're gonna be the

2033
02:17:54,079 --> 02:17:56,559
big boys, So we're gonna put
on our big boy pants and we're gonna

2034
02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:00,159
go do what needs to be done. And these I still think the are

2035
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:05,840
all of their decisions. Yeah,
sounds right to me. From the casual

2036
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:09,200
newbe gamer, did Xbox close Tango
because a Lee Hi Fi rush going third

2037
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:13,079
party? And Microsoft want to send
a message not to leak stuff to other

2038
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:18,879
studios as example? Na, No, no, they no, they're not

2039
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:22,920
that petty about leaks. I would
know. Yeah. From Ali Miracle,

2040
02:18:24,239 --> 02:18:28,639
Uh, her submission for because she
missed the thread. Uh, the Nintendo

2041
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:35,399
PlayStations back the man, what would
have to happen for that to take place?

2042
02:18:35,639 --> 02:18:39,600
Man, that would be amazing.
Man. Yeah. From l Grugg

2043
02:18:39,719 --> 02:18:43,079
in five years, wore Christian have
a webcam? I should do? You

2044
02:18:43,239 --> 02:18:46,319
said, no, we don't want
that's shy. Yeah you don't want that.

2045
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:50,079
Yeah, he's conservative about you know, you can't you can't show that

2046
02:18:50,079 --> 02:19:00,360
beautiful face model Tim own nobody all
right? From the well a nine to

2047
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:07,239
eleven jokes Christ name people are comfortable
from signor bean. I bought a little

2048
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:11,799
Caesar's han Re pizza to get the
han Ready call of Duty calling card was

2049
02:19:11,879 --> 02:19:15,600
the dumbest real world product tie in
thing you've ever bought. Oh God,

2050
02:19:15,639 --> 02:19:18,760
I do a lot of I Charted
three made me go to Subway for some

2051
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:22,000
reason. I can't remember why now, but I remember the charted three Subway

2052
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:28,920
commercials Oh yeah, where Nathan Drake
is holding a Subway cupumbling through the airplane.

2053
02:19:28,159 --> 02:19:31,639
It looks real weird like it was. It was not animated by like

2054
02:19:31,719 --> 02:19:35,680
the Naughty Dog A team. I
definitely bought a bag, like I do

2055
02:19:35,799 --> 02:19:37,879
this all the time. This is
the one that's just coming to mind.

2056
02:19:39,079 --> 02:19:41,799
I definitely bike was going to get
my pickup pre order for Call of Duty

2057
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:45,840
whatever, and there was a bag
of Dorito's with call of Duty on it.

2058
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:48,479
Said I had a code, and
I definitely got the Doritos. I've

2059
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:50,559
done dumber shit than that, for
sure, but that's just the one I

2060
02:19:50,559 --> 02:19:52,799
can think of. I mean,
I'm just an idiot who drinks a lot

2061
02:19:52,799 --> 02:19:58,760
of energy drinks in general, but
I drank so many getting double Expeed tokens

2062
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:03,399
for a Modern War three this past
year and UH one regret you guys.

2063
02:20:03,799 --> 02:20:09,000
You guys ever like back in the
day, go see UH movies because they

2064
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:11,959
had a trailer that you cared about. You didn't care about the movie itself.

2065
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:18,840
I just meet Joe Black for Phantom. I saw Secondhand Lions, so

2066
02:20:18,920 --> 02:20:24,600
I could see the Two Towers trailer. What is second hand Alliance? Was

2067
02:20:24,559 --> 02:20:30,399
young Haley Joe Osmitt at the movement
with his like his grandparents played by Michael

2068
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:37,600
Kane and Robert Duvall discover Okay,
yeah, okay, it had the two

2069
02:20:37,799 --> 02:20:41,440
Towers, Joe that the other one
was. I saw the robots that Weird

2070
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:45,600
DreamWorks CG Movies. I could see
the episode three trailer. Okay, okay,

2071
02:20:45,639 --> 02:20:46,840
help me out here because I feel
I feel like this might have been

2072
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:50,120
like a little before my time kind
of thing. How did you know that

2073
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:54,600
the trailer was going to be at
that movie? Would they would advertise it

2074
02:20:54,639 --> 02:20:56,120
because they knew that there would be
especially for these movies. They knew that

2075
02:20:56,159 --> 02:21:03,360
there'd be nerds who would flow help
and they still have Secondhand Lions. News

2076
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:05,520
would tell us in it cool news
things like oh yeah, they were still

2077
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:11,120
like yeah, we still had like
any cool news and comingsoon dot Net would

2078
02:21:11,159 --> 02:21:13,719
be like on forums and stuff like
that. Sing did you have to be

2079
02:21:13,799 --> 02:21:18,000
like plugged in sort of like in
magazines. They would be in magazines.

2080
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:20,920
There would be some magazines that woul
happen, but it was like at that

2081
02:21:20,959 --> 02:21:22,760
point, it was like most frequently
you had to be pretty plugged in.

2082
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,959
And then on like entertainment tonight,
they might mention it. So like at

2083
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:31,520
seven thirty on ABC, maybe they'll
say that, but mostly it was on

2084
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:37,200
the internet. Okay, let's see
next, we're up to slippery moose Cakes.

2085
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:41,120
Anything really positive you've heard about Xbox? I mean, I don't know

2086
02:21:41,159 --> 02:21:43,040
if people are gonna want to hear
this, but apparently it's going to be

2087
02:21:43,079 --> 02:21:46,440
a pretty decent Xbox showcase. So
they say that pretty frequently. We'll see.

2088
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:50,840
But that's the best I got for
you. I had no idea Jedi

2089
02:21:50,959 --> 02:21:54,479
Moss four. My concern is for
every Hades, there's more than five hundred

2090
02:21:54,559 --> 02:21:58,319
other indies that fade into obscurity.
Indies have suffered plenty of closings and had

2091
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:03,520
had layer Well, yeah, yes, there's the indie apocalypse is ongoing.

2092
02:22:03,559 --> 02:22:07,040
It has been for the last ten
years, there's so many out there there

2093
02:22:07,159 --> 02:22:11,000
competing with one another. I think
the idea is though, that there is

2094
02:22:11,239 --> 02:22:15,600
some difference between like a bunch of
people leaving Respawn, taking a bunch of

2095
02:22:15,639 --> 02:22:20,319
venture capital money, hiring two hundred
and fifty people, and like garage developers

2096
02:22:20,559 --> 02:22:22,399
like it used to be all garage
developers. That's the thing I got out

2097
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:26,799
of reading that book Masters of Doom
is like, man, there was a

2098
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:30,760
time when the biggest video game makers
in the world, we're basically just people

2099
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,319
working in a house. They're basically
just working in a garage. And it's

2100
02:22:33,399 --> 02:22:37,440
like the stakes at that point,
it's like either we get rich or we

2101
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,479
had fun making the game we want
to make. Exact there's something to our

2102
02:22:41,559 --> 02:22:46,000
normal coding jobs at micros. Yeah, and hopefully I made that clear why

2103
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,719
I was talking about it earlier.
That's the kind of that's a level of

2104
02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:54,360
Indie that I'm talking about right,
team that knows, hey, we all

2105
02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:58,040
got savings, were good to like
take a risk and like try to develop

2106
02:22:58,079 --> 02:23:01,520
a game and like a year have
just put out on Steam and see what

2107
02:23:01,639 --> 02:23:05,040
happens. That's the kind of India
I think is doing well right now and

2108
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,440
it seem success because they can take
those risks. You know, did you

2109
02:23:07,479 --> 02:23:11,520
guys see the new games added to
the World Video Game Hall of Fame?

2110
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:16,479
I didn't. Yeah, it's Asteroids, Resident Ever one, Simp City,

2111
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:20,360
missed in Ultimate one. They actually, I think picked almost all the right

2112
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:22,920
games this time. Something weird Last
of Us from ten years. But it's

2113
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:28,440
really fueling my uh my craving for
playing old ultimate and missed games. But

2114
02:23:28,719 --> 02:23:31,440
that's what mad me thinking of it, because like ultimately, yeah, like

2115
02:23:31,719 --> 02:23:35,040
one person made that back up the
day right when it was scaled up,

2116
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:41,920
it was like ten people now from
Dean. What is v tuber Christian's avatar

2117
02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:46,040
of choice? Chris, you've done
this before. I did me too in

2118
02:23:46,159 --> 02:23:50,719
the past a little bit. And
my my avatar was that submarine that killed

2119
02:23:50,719 --> 02:23:58,239
the billionaires. Yes it was Jesus
christ Yeah. Cool. If you had

2120
02:23:58,280 --> 02:24:01,479
to choose now I were working,
I want to want to be the gun

2121
02:24:01,559 --> 02:24:11,000
that killed the killed instead. I
just have another idea actually over the Burrett.

2122
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:18,879
Okay, last, but certainly not
least, Shintaro for Kawaka, President

2123
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:22,200
of Nintendo. Please enjoy some of
the money from the tons I've made,

2124
02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:28,040
but please be aware I will not
discuss Nintendo Swish to thank you for or

2125
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:33,159
should I say for Kawa Sama?
The hell is happening to? Jeff just

2126
02:24:33,319 --> 02:24:39,719
lost some frames again. Oh oh, he's had a discord issue because the

2127
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:41,879
stream is still going, but we
are frozen on his os. Okay he

2128
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:50,120
lost the Okay, oh he's breaking. Everything is breaking. This is going

2129
02:24:50,159 --> 02:24:54,440
to be in the Jeff. Either
they don't hear him super chat. At

2130
02:24:54,520 --> 02:25:01,639
least they may have not heard that. I'm he's gonna fa it. I'm

2131
02:25:01,639 --> 02:25:05,440
gonna tell people. Oh you're back, Jeff, You're back. Are we

2132
02:25:05,559 --> 02:25:09,760
back? Oh wait? Wait wait
hang on, Oh no, he's frozen

2133
02:25:09,799 --> 02:25:20,840
again. Uh oh, hardly still
going? Uh oh wait we know for

2134
02:25:20,959 --> 02:25:24,280
my back? Oh here you I
think you're back. I think you're back.

2135
02:25:24,639 --> 02:25:26,399
It's gonna break again. I feel
like it's gonna break again. Are

2136
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:28,200
we good? Yeah? Did you
get that for your call us on super

2137
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:33,239
Chat? I did not hear this
for acala sounds super Chat. No,

2138
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:35,799
all right, let me let me
get quick. Chintako for a co president

2139
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:41,079
of Nintendo said, please enjoy some
money from tons I've made, but please

2140
02:25:41,159 --> 02:25:45,840
be aware. I will not discuss
Nintendo switsch too. We understand for Okawa

2141
02:25:45,879 --> 02:25:50,959
and we appreciate the money. You
can't send the ninjas to destroy Jeff.

2142
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:54,520
Yeah, they already did. Yeah, oh my god. Okay, all

2143
02:25:54,639 --> 02:26:01,639
right, let's way. What you
guys been playing anything, Mike h oh

2144
02:26:01,799 --> 02:26:05,559
gosh. I mean, I I
don't think anything that I didn't already talk

2145
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:07,760
about on two zounds. It's my
quack shot world record. That was the

2146
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:11,399
big thing. Kind of just thinking
about, like how much I want to

2147
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:15,799
play Crow Country. Uh, and
I can't Animal. I always forget the

2148
02:26:15,879 --> 02:26:20,000
name animal animal well yeah, animals
down, well, but instead it's animal.

2149
02:26:20,079 --> 02:26:24,799
Well, no, that'll help.
I also really want to play Samo

2150
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:26,879
Max Hit the Road some point this
weekend with my adventure game Craze, right,

2151
02:26:28,440 --> 02:26:31,399
so maybe maybe I will also get
the But I did you know Hades

2152
02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:35,559
two very good. I did play
a good amount of that. It rules.

2153
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:39,479
It is so much fun. I
mean, Haities is just such a

2154
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:43,079
good game. And it's a sequel
in so many ways that is familiar and

2155
02:26:43,159 --> 02:26:45,360
what I want, you know,
the things that they do to change it

2156
02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:48,520
up, right, Like you are
a bit more of a you know,

2157
02:26:48,559 --> 02:26:52,280
you're more of a magic user,
maybe slightly less agile than Zagarias was and

2158
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:56,319
yet, but it also feels like
there's kind of more to do and see

2159
02:26:56,520 --> 02:27:01,399
when you're doing these runs. Just
very happy with it. So anyhow,

2160
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:05,559
I am famously sometimes anti early axis. This is not aside from like some

2161
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:09,280
small things like oh like arts not
here yet or something, it doesn't feel

2162
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:15,879
like an early access game to me. Yeah. I just haven't had much

2163
02:27:15,959 --> 02:27:20,159
time to play anything recently and gaming
has had me so down in the dump

2164
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:22,760
slightly for a variety of reasons.
So over the weekend when I did every

2165
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:26,840
time, all I did was just
figure out how to get the best possible

2166
02:27:26,879 --> 02:27:31,360
CRT shaders going for retro games.
That rules. I've had that weekend before.

2167
02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:33,719
It's a good time. Oh it's
so fun. And you know I

2168
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:37,159
got the four kolad here so I
can have you know, the deep blacks

2169
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:41,159
and like it has the pixels on
the screen that you can do some insanely

2170
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:46,040
good effects. My my test was
I usually don't like using retro arc as

2171
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:50,040
a piece of software in general.
If I was using because the best or

2172
02:27:50,159 --> 02:27:52,959
the easiest, I should say,
way to do these filters. My test

2173
02:27:54,120 --> 02:28:00,440
is at the Sonic Waterfall looks like
a transparent layer over the Yeah, sure,

2174
02:28:01,159 --> 02:28:05,399
then that's the filter for me.
So I did find a composite style

2175
02:28:05,559 --> 02:28:09,159
filter in the retro arch presearchs that
I think is really good. I'm gonna

2176
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:15,000
use that to play on my fair
games or the weekend alongside finally give the

2177
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:16,360
time to play some of these indies, all the indies I want to play.

2178
02:28:16,600 --> 02:28:20,520
What people are popping off over?
What was this like a one thousand

2179
02:28:20,799 --> 02:28:24,360
X resist or something one thousand x
Resists. That's right. Someone said like

2180
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:28,559
it's the greatest game they've ever played, and stuff like this. I saw.

2181
02:28:28,799 --> 02:28:33,200
I'm like, well that another one
on the list that crow Country hated.

2182
02:28:33,319 --> 02:28:37,760
Sary got fire up Animal Animal,
Yes, story, I'm sorry you

2183
02:28:37,799 --> 02:28:41,680
have to re brilling sci fi Adventure
of the Year is unknown. I wonder

2184
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:46,000
if it's the one thousand uh z
s spread by an alien invasion keeps you

2185
02:28:46,079 --> 02:28:48,479
under. It's anime, so you're
probably gonna like it. Anime, yeah,

2186
02:28:48,879 --> 02:28:54,639
moisturizer anime or normal anime? Sean
we think it it's I think it's

2187
02:28:54,719 --> 02:28:58,559
kind of normal anime. It's an
old were getting to the point where I

2188
02:28:58,600 --> 02:29:03,920
don't think Mike can say that anymore. I'm I'm just asking if it looks

2189
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:11,040
like a game or whatever. I
did start Animal, Well, it's like

2190
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:15,559
I said earlier, it hasn't grabbed
me. But the only reason I'm noticing

2191
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:18,319
that is because everyone said I'm gonna
love this game so much. Uh so

2192
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:22,319
I'm like waiting to wait for that
to happen. It is a Metroidvena where

2193
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:24,440
you don't have direct combat, but
you can get attacked. I like that

2194
02:29:24,559 --> 02:29:28,920
part of it. I like everything
that's doing. It's illusion island, like

2195
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:31,520
it's a Mickey's illusion island. Like, yeah, I was just thinking the

2196
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:33,000
same thing when someone first told me
that. It's a little bit more like

2197
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:37,239
you're gonna get tools, like you
get firecrackers and that scares the enemies away.

2198
02:29:37,639 --> 02:29:41,360
You get a bubble and a wand
that shoots out bubbles, and then

2199
02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:43,959
you can jump on that bubble and
then you can jump up a little bit

2200
02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:46,360
higher. And I kind of actu
focus is what I hear, very puzzle

2201
02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:50,959
focus. Very. I think my
initial thing was it's like, you know,

2202
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:52,879
and a lot of these like I
feel like, oh, I'm getting

2203
02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:56,239
lost and it takes time for me
to figure my way out, and that's

2204
02:29:56,280 --> 02:29:58,280
satisfying. Here, It's like I
feel like I'm getting a little bit more

2205
02:29:58,319 --> 02:30:01,680
stuck in a place, so not
like stuck I can't figure out the puzzle,

2206
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:07,200
but just like I just feel enclosed
in spaces sometimes and I think I

2207
02:30:07,239 --> 02:30:09,360
need to just like get a little
bit more mastery of the world and then

2208
02:30:09,479 --> 02:30:13,040
things will start clicking, and I
just people are alluding to all these other

2209
02:30:13,079 --> 02:30:16,799
things that are happening with these puzzles, and I haven't seen any of that

2210
02:30:16,959 --> 02:30:20,239
yet. So wait and see what
that I did. I couldn't put down

2211
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:24,440
Haites two earlier this week. That
game really does rules. So enjoying that

2212
02:30:24,559 --> 02:30:26,040
quite a bit, but not a
lot of time for other things. Really,

2213
02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:30,280
my game playing time is going towards
thinking about what to do with the

2214
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:33,319
Summer game Fest and getting all that
stuff organized. Although getting to a point

2215
02:30:33,319 --> 02:30:37,079
where that's feeling a lot better.
I have. I have so much trips

2216
02:30:37,079 --> 02:30:41,600
that I will actually not be here
for real the whole time next week because

2217
02:30:41,639 --> 02:30:43,760
I'm going to be gone maybe even
the week after. I have a long

2218
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:48,879
trip coming up because we have our
games beat something happening first, so I'm

2219
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:52,920
going out for that and then I
come back like a week and then Summer

2220
02:30:52,959 --> 02:30:56,600
game Fest. So I have a
lot of la traveling to do. I

2221
02:30:56,639 --> 02:30:58,600
think that's gonna do it. Though, I'm gonna hit the button let's get

2222
02:30:58,600 --> 02:31:03,280
out of here. Maybe, yeah, there's the button. I don't know

2223
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:07,200
with these. Okay, so there's
one thousand X Resist Animal well, uh,

2224
02:31:09,159 --> 02:31:13,120
crow Country, crow Country, and
then the Cat Game people, Oh,

2225
02:31:13,159 --> 02:31:16,719
Little Kitty, Big City. Yeah, we love those. Which ones

2226
02:31:16,760 --> 02:31:20,120
are you all look into playing first
or second? Think? I kind of

2227
02:31:20,159 --> 02:31:24,200
play Coke crow Country first. I
want to play Animal well for sure.

2228
02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:26,200
When I saw crow Country like a
month ago, I was like, Oh,

2229
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:31,040
that speaks to me. Oh I
want that. You I an't playing,

2230
02:31:31,639 --> 02:31:35,079
We don't. We can't hear it. That's all you just start.

2231
02:31:35,159 --> 02:31:37,680
You just yell at us whin.
Yeah, they can hear. You'll be

2232
02:31:37,719 --> 02:31:41,319
able here in a second. Probably
a thousand acts resists for me that it

2233
02:31:41,399 --> 02:31:43,799
looks really good. I like the
style. And then crow Country. I

2234
02:31:43,879 --> 02:31:48,639
love how it looks like PS one
Survival Horror, but like with the Final

2235
02:31:48,719 --> 02:31:54,760
Fantasy seven graphics specifically, Yeah,
it's really cool the way it looks.

2236
02:31:54,920 --> 02:31:58,200
Yep. I'm gonna stick with Animal, well at least until I know what

2237
02:31:58,280 --> 02:32:01,799
it's doing, so I can decide
whether or not I'm gonna stick with it

2238
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:05,399
long term or not, but everyone
seems to like it, so I don't

2239
02:32:05,399 --> 02:32:07,399
want to be left out in the
party on that one. And then yeah,

2240
02:32:07,440 --> 02:32:11,920
crow Country does effect. I'm gonna
install that right now. Crypt Masters

2241
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:16,239
that other one, yeah, yeah. People mention that super chess like typing

2242
02:32:18,239 --> 02:32:24,120
is that one that is? Yeah, it gets typing the Yeah. These

2243
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:28,600
games are cool, dang, and
after many shoot adventures already, this awesome,

2244
02:32:28,719 --> 02:32:31,559
right surprise? Right? Yeah?
Do you think that all of these

2245
02:32:31,639 --> 02:32:37,600
developers were waiting for this time when
like the release is slowed down and everyone

2246
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:41,799
just everyone just quick, because I
feel like they need didn't pop off quite

2247
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,159
as hard last year. Maybe this
is because I wasn't paying as much attention

2248
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:48,120
because I was so busy with those
big games. I don't know, yes

2249
02:32:48,239 --> 02:32:52,840
exactly. Uh yeah, I'm gonna
try this crypt Master as well. All

2250
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:54,840
right, you guys, got any
plans for the weekend? Hopefully not?

2251
02:32:56,079 --> 02:33:01,079
I mean Mother's Day. We're taking
my mom to Mexican restaurants. That'll be

2252
02:33:01,639 --> 02:33:05,760
I'm probably do Let's Yeah, there
you go, there you go, get

2253
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:16,920
Margie's Mikey Tom stands bitch. Thanks
for listen, everybody. Till next time.

2254
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:22,319
I have a good, take care
of yourself. A goodbye. Disagree,

2255
02:33:22,360 --> 02:33:30,559
disagree, disagree, disagree. You
sent me a sound file told me

2256
02:33:30,639 --> 02:33:33,239
to eat ship. I thought that
was called for. Yeah, that's I

2257
02:33:33,319 --> 02:33:35,920
mean, listen, she's really problematic
recently. I heard some of her opinions.

2258
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:39,799
I don't even know you know what
that's. That's a good thing that

2259
02:33:39,879 --> 02:33:48,799
she disagrees with you. Yeah,
I be people are fitting it right now,

2260
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:56,479
right, all right, I'm good
to get back into it. If

2261
02:33:56,479 --> 02:34:00,879
you want to break, let me
know. I can help the super chests

2262
02:34:00,879 --> 02:34:01,879
if you want me to. Yeah, that'd be great, thank you,

2263
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:05,399
Okay, because I think they're like
a little you want to set up the

2264
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:13,440
scene for for the because we have
for the we can do that after we

2265
02:34:13,719 --> 02:34:15,879
probably do know our break after a
super chat the it's quite a few of

2266
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:18,079
them, all right, son,
good let me see because we start with

2267
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:22,399
that one and then where is this
one kicking? It's now stream Elements is

2268
02:34:22,559 --> 02:34:26,120
sort of missing a few, so
okay, I think I'll be reading along

2269
02:34:26,159 --> 02:34:28,399
with you. So if they're on
YouTube, not on stream elements, I'll

2270
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:33,319
pick them up. Okay, well, I'll read off of YouTube. If

2271
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:35,200
anyone has there's missed, uh,
let me know, and I can check

2272
02:34:35,239 --> 02:34:41,879
stream elements to say we didn't miss
any okay, so might it might be

2273
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:45,840
working fine though, all right,
all right, cool, we're gonna get

2274
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:48,000
back into it, everybody. All
right, let's see here. You're getting

2275
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,399
things set up. Yeah, I'm
getting things set up, all Right'm getting

2276
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:54,520
und to the bathroom real quick and
get a drink maybe some ice. Notice

2277
02:34:54,600 --> 02:34:58,959
is for cowards. You're not supposed
to use ice anymore. Is evil.

2278
02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:03,680
The ice we're dropping. The ice
ice is over, it's washed. Then

2279
02:35:03,719 --> 02:35:09,920
you take is warm stuff. Yeah, it's worms in your brains. Warm

2280
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:13,440
warm, warm warm. No,
it's not warm either. It's just compression

2281
02:35:13,719 --> 02:35:18,239
and not even like yeah, and
not even like aspirin that like lowers the

2282
02:35:18,280 --> 02:35:22,959
swelling. The swelling is good,
apparently. Yeah, they canceled ice.

2283
02:35:24,799 --> 02:35:30,040
What the ice? Don't tell me. I don't want to know what ice

2284
02:35:30,079 --> 02:35:35,000
said. I still put it in
my beverages. So okay, let's see

2285
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:45,000
here. Yeah, it is for
co wors cocaines, fucking yeah, mo

2286
02:35:45,319 --> 02:36:01,520
is seeing's and sugar for the first
time in the month. And it's like

2287
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:07,360
kill type and stuff just like it's
just like the I mean, it's not

2288
02:36:07,479 --> 02:36:11,520
like the shirts pan a little but
the spike up. We'll see how that

2289
02:36:11,559 --> 02:36:18,479
feels tomorrow. Yeah, you're you're
by the way, your discal notifications are

2290
02:36:18,879 --> 02:36:22,680
we can't go off? Yeah,
they're going They were going off. No

2291
02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:26,360
now, yeah, I heard people
like this TB wasn't muted. Okay,

2292
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:31,840
what's muted? Now? All right, how the wrestlers do on the dump?

2293
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:35,520
Tut They did very well, apparently
I listened for a little bit and

2294
02:36:35,639 --> 02:36:37,520
then I had to do stuff,
and a little bit that I listened to

2295
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:43,760
it was pretty funny. Yeah,
well look at up right, good,

2296
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:48,360
good, look at your problem solving? Yeah, I figured it out.

2297
02:36:48,639 --> 02:36:54,040
Alright, here we go. Well, okay, so you fell. Did

2298
02:36:54,079 --> 02:36:58,559
you actually get out there and do
some skating though? Oh? Kind of

2299
02:36:58,719 --> 02:37:01,440
us very bad. I think like
I could kind of push with my right

2300
02:37:01,479 --> 02:37:05,639
foot, whenever I try to do
with my left just wasn't happening. So

2301
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:11,040
I was like always on the hall. Yeah you did a triple loop?

2302
02:37:11,959 --> 02:37:18,559
No, I know that. Wow, this is the first time was skating

2303
02:37:18,559 --> 02:37:20,319
since I was like a kid,
Like, I mean, it's like this,

2304
02:37:20,799 --> 02:37:24,319
it's like the same skating rink is
open here since when we were kids

2305
02:37:24,360 --> 02:37:26,760
we had like field trips there.
So me and my friends like, we

2306
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:28,319
you know, we want to go
do that, and adult night is only

2307
02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:33,280
Thursday night, so that's why we
had to go kind of. Now you

2308
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:35,159
should watch you do real nice.
You're gonna love it. I feel like

2309
02:37:35,319 --> 02:37:39,159
skating one's I think it is.
It's not what I think it is.

2310
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:43,920
We were all fuel fool by the
name your on ice. Thought. I

2311
02:37:43,959 --> 02:37:46,760
thought it was one of those sports
animals. It is, it is,

2312
02:37:46,879 --> 02:37:52,959
it is, okay, nem Mike's
sport animals. Well wait what it was?

2313
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:54,920
People think you're on ice? It's
the gay ice skating show. Right,

2314
02:37:56,360 --> 02:38:01,360
No, well, I mean it
is gay. It's gay. Ury

2315
02:38:03,559 --> 02:38:07,600
Ury has that other meeting. Sure, okay you know Uri is lesbian.

2316
02:38:07,799 --> 02:38:15,719
Yeah you're yes, okay, yeah, this is dudes, really right,

2317
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:24,799
I really want Christians Southboard of Christians
say well it is gay. Anyways,

2318
02:38:26,079 --> 02:38:28,840
we're going along. We should get
into this. Yeah, all right,

2319
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:33,719
I'm bringing this back in all right. Good stuff stuff, good stuff.

2320
02:38:35,559 --> 02:38:41,000
Yes, re formatting, yep,
all right, I gave up on the

2321
02:38:41,079 --> 02:38:43,760
trying to read a long game make
about two thirds threes amount. It was

2322
02:38:43,799 --> 02:38:48,239
impressive for when you did do it, Yes, it did well? All

2323
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:50,799
right, you all good? All
right, let's go