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into it. It's uh, it was a weird couple of days of news,
sometimes shocking, sometimes like man, I guess this is where we're at,
and then sometimes very infuriating. Let's let's start with Xbox. Obviously everything
is just so to on fire over there. I think what's happened is the
Rubber has met the road in terms of their future vision meeting like where reality
is at. Like I think for a long time they were saying things like
two billion gamers and cloud gaming and people, you know, being wherever gamers
are at and us meeting them there and I think they have to do that
because they know that they can only grow the Xbox brand so big and the
Xbox console so big. But you know, they've reached that with the Xbox
Console seemingly, and it's by all accounting of the numbers that that's kind of
cratering in a lot of ways. And then that other side of the equation
of meeting gamers where they're at, that's kind of being met with a thud.
There aren't people waiting to be like, Okay, well not Xbox is
here, let's get on that on my phone or whatever. People aren't doing
that, and so projects like game Pass are no longer feeling like the future.
And the company has shut down multiple studios, including Arcane Austin and Tango
Game w and what was Alpha Dog Games, and then they moved another studio
into being a support studio for the Elder Scrolls Online. It is a mess.
I am at a point where it does it feels like the future of
Xbox is more cloudy than ever and also just further away from like the traditional
console model than ever. How are you feeling about it all? First of
all, Jeff, you know, a last time you and I did a
show together, was it? No? When PlayStation's Big A Way offs?
Really? Okay? Well takes vacation. Anyone watched the fuck out the Reapers
here? Everybody? Shaw McDowell. Yes, So it really feels like they
haven't hit these ridiculously big goals that they set out for themselves, and they're
trying to cut their losses before things get worse, which is counterintuitive to what
they have in a subscription service that they're pushing. Netflix knew this for a
long time, and they looked terrible for it. I don't know, they
still don't look great about it, but they knew you're gonna lose a lot
of money. You're gonna just have so many rough times trying to get the
content and trying to build up the user base as a result, that you
just need to see it through. And it feels like they're skipping a step.
Things didn't turn out right away, you know, game pass subscriptions have
plateaued, slowed, whatever the case may be. We don't get as many
numbers anymore. It's harder to tell, and it just feels like they're trying
to give up a little bit on that future that they keep or have been
talking up for a long ast time now it's frustrating. Yeah, And I
mean I think that it really is. The shift is here, that the
transition from the strategy of the last several years to whatever's next is here,
and it mostly looks like third party publishing putting stuff out on PlayStation trying to
just maximize revenue from whatever games they have, and when things are when they're
looking at the balance sheet and something is like costing this much and only making
that much, cutting it, which begs the question what's next? Right,
Like, there's a lot of stuff on the table where it's like, man,
is how is help they going to do? How's help they going to
do? Is ninja theory in trouble? And at this point I would assume
yes, I mean they're not out there like reassuring people about that. They're
like the rumors are there's more cuts coming, right And I mean that raises
the question of what are they looking for right now? Because we had that,
you know, the inside story there that one's been talking about. It
was Matt Booty, right who was talking about they need smaller games, more
smaller games, which people are interpreting a bunch of different ways. People are
debating on Twitter about what is a small game, which is blowing my damn
mind because it's all relative when you say a smaller game that can include a
team of eighty two hund people, because when games are taking several hundreds of
people to make over the course of the better part of generation, Yeah,
something that starts out friendly reminder, it started out as just a small handful
of people and they added more to the team to get out the last year.
That's a smaller project. Because what's smaller than that? People were saying
Pentiments. Well, Pentiment's basically an indie game that just got published by Xbox.
Yeah, and it's like one example list So they made one game that's
smaller than than Tango game works as High Fi Rush. And that's okay.
I mean the point, you know, the part of it wasn't just like
let's make smaller games. Let's make smaller games that are prestigious and win awards
and are very successful. And it's like, I mean, you know,
Ethan Gotch pointed this out and is what I was getting at with my tweet,
like that is a lot of ticket. That is a lot of ticket
when you have a small game that can break out and be a massive,
massive success like Bilatro or Power World or all these other things. There's thousands
and thousands of those games coming out every year, and only a handful of
them do really well. That's a lottery ticket. The idea behind being a
major publisher is you spend so much money making your game so shiny and big
that people can't ignore it, and then you have the marketing budget to back
it up to force it into being a success. You brute force your way
into that. And the idea like, okay, well we're gonna save munch
of money, and like, you know, we you know, to be
fair. Last couple of weeks, we've been saying you gotta find ways to
do that, and I agree. But the ways to do that was build
on High Fi Rush. That's why this all doesn't make sense, of course,
right that studio is done. Yeah, and I mean it's incredibly frustrating
to me. High Fight Rush was my second favorite game of the year.
It came very close to being my favorite, and I it was so it
was the perfect game for me. And I thought that we might never get
anar one of those, or it might be it might look completely different way
down the line. If they revive it, because now it's seeming like it
might be a dead ip at this point. It's it's baffling when you when
they bought all these studios. When you buy these studios, people expect something
out of them. You can't buy Bethesda for their parts. You buy Bethesda
for the ips that they have and the teams that make them. And this
is what people were worried about. I was worried about too, with consolidation
and everything. This is this is why people say consolidation is a bad thing
because layoffs will happen. And guess what we're seeing that in action now where
it feels like Bethesda is being stripped down. Can't you can't buy them and
say something didn't work out. You know, it's not working within the game
pass ecosystem and everything like that. So let's pivot away from that to small
games. That's not what anyone expected when you picked up Bethesda. You can't.
You can't just turn around and completely change strategies like that because stuff like
this you get ruining people's lives, ruining the lives all these developers and their
families, and they have to figure stuff out now. And it's just a
mess for everyone involved accept the people at the top as always yep, they
continue to be in charge. And I kind of I'm at a point where,
uh, you know, Eurogamer had that story that I haven't had a
chance to read, but they're like, what is the point of Xbox?
And I saw that. I was like, you know, getting dinner for
the kids tonight and taking care of some other stuff, and I was like
mulling that over in my head, and it's like, you know what,
what are any of these brands? They are stories that we tell right that
It's like, hey, I get an Xbox because I'm investing in this ecosystem
and they're working on these games, so it's got to have these exclusive things
and those are going to be experiences that I can only have because I have
an Xbox. And we tell these stories to ourselves because that because Xbox isn't
real, it doesn't exist, no brand is real. That these things are
just fictions that we say. But there's a lot of power in these fictions,
which is why we have such an affinity for Disney and Nintendo because they've
been able to harness that. And it feels like what's happening right now with
Xbox is. The story is it is falling apart. It's bursting at the
seams, and any of the structures that we're holding it up are collapsing.
And I don't get how anyone at this moment can tell themselves here is why
I am investing in the Xbox ecosystem going forward and having confidence in that.
And that is more ruinous than anything else than like having a studio that isn't
making money on the balance sheet, so you're cut like, Okay, yeah,
I get that. You have to justify your jobs and you have to
make money. You don't have the luxury of not making money, you know.
He said that in an interview recently by Phil Spencer. I understand that,
but you are in a delicate position where people are waiting for the win.
They're waiting for a couple of wins so they can feel good about the
time they've spent putting their not just money, but like they're precious human moments
into this system, and they're they're not feeling they're getting a great return on
that. And so okay, well that's you know, that's rough in the
first place. And now it feels like the belief that they had that Hey,
Okay, you know the High Fi rushes is here, build do something
with that. In the meantime, all these other games are happening. I'm
feeling good about that. All of that is falling apart, and we are
kind of getting to a point of no return for Xbox. It feels like,
I don't know, I it's it's not going to like evaporate off the
face of the planet. No, but this is a tougher position than they've
ever been in. Yeah, and okay, so I will push back a
little bit if any company was capable of not making money and being okay,
yes, it's Microsoft. Sure. And that's why that's why people were okay
with pivoting to game Pass and pivoting to all these different new strategies that,
you know, things that I've been talking about for a long time. I've
been saying game Pass great for consumers. For Microsoft, we shouldn't need to
worry about that. Who cares, because yeah, we think about shoot a
double fine guy? Uh, Tim Tim Shafer Shaffer, thank you? Yeah.
Tim Schaefer kind of talked about how, hey, we were kind of
in dire straits over there. Getting acquired was a good thing for us because
it gave us stability. That's what we were looking for. So that's what
we all thought was going to happen here with all these studios, Yes,
right, we thought they would be stable because Microsoft has the MinC to throw
out these things. And so when you talk up we are building something new,
We are building up game Pass. Yes, things will be shaky at
times, but we again bring it back to ysay about that subscription service.
You need to take losses in order to build it up. If you're not
willing to commit to it, what the hell are you doing. Earlier in
the year, where we had the rumors flying round of certain games might not
be exclusive anymore, they might be putting more stuff in more places, which
is sign they always said they would do. People freek the hell out,
and they shouldn't have because Starfield going over at PS five. Guess what you
still have Starfield? Yeah, Tango game works closing. None of us get
High Fi Rush too. This is the time to freak out a little bit
and be worried about the future of the brand because if they don't have games,
they don't and have these studios making them. That is the real problem
at the core of all this. And like people have pointed out, I
think, very coldly, frankly, of oh this is capitalism. Yeah it
is, and it fucking sucks and we all hate it. And that's that's
the point we're trying to make here. There's a look, it's piss off.
Pissing me off a little bit. How people are almost using this as
a debate point. Right when we got this news on like Tuesday, the
body's still warm, you know, like step back a little bit, you
know, I wasn't gonna bring up like I frankly I chucked someone out of
the Giant bomb chat earlier day because they were kind of being those Oh so
it's the closes of doing business to be frank get bent like like you have
some humanity when talking about all this. We don't have to wait forever to
talk about these things. We don't. We don't have to put off until
this specify amount of time. But maybe just think about how the real the
devs are feeling and all this. You know, when when people were having
a little debate of like how big was Hi Fi rush and the Verge article
came out and everything, I just saw it was it's John Johannes, right,
who was a director on High Fi Rush just reacted with that image of
Peppermint for the game, just doing a are you fucking kidding me? Face?
And that's how I'm feeling about all this right now, like are you
fucking getting me? Like we're we're saying here debating like all the all this
minution and everything. This feels like the one thing where we should all just
look at it and say, this was a mistake. There's no answer buts
about it. At the very least, you should have had a better plan
if this was going to happen eventually. Yep. And it's uh, it's
it's the thing where we see this company sort of operating in this way where
for years now they've had, uh, they've gotten a lot of leeway because
it's like, Okay, the promise was, well, Microsoft could be a
little bit better than anywhere else. It could be you know, if you're
out on your own, like the Tim Shaeffer situation, and you come too
Microsoft, they will use those resources to sort of provide this shelter where you
can do your best work. And that happened with Tango Game Works. It
felt like that's exactly the story we were getting and all these people literally succeeded
at the understood mandate of this whole project of hey, come work under us,
make interesting games. And yeah, I think a Hi Fi rush started
before Xbox acquired them, but they were able to make that game, put
it out on game Pass. It was interesting and a lot of people played
it, and it had a home on game Pass for sure, regardless of
how it succeeded, whatever happened with it, they found a home. So
the people that were making that game made something great and something that fits well
with game Pass and got people talking and was like, hey, this is
the future of this brand, and their reward is to get shut down.
When they were pitching the sequel to that game, like that's what they were
doing, and it just like okay, that that's the thing that like tears
the whole thing apart. The people did a great job and now they're out
on the street. What are we doing here? I don't understand what the
point of all of this is. If it's not to provide a home for
people like that to make cool games. If it is just hey, we
are we got called duty now, so that's what our focus is, and
everything else is kind of have to to get get shaved off because we got
to make it save some do some nips and tucks because the business got too
bloated. Well, I mean, you know that's your fault. Like,
you're the ones that did that. Why are the people who succeeded at what
they were supposed to be doing getting punished and getting sent out? It's infuriating.
We've joked about a little bit in the past, but now it's like,
ironically, Mike's whole concern about the way that they were presenting High Fight
Rush is founded now, right because he was like, they shadow dropped this
it was thirty dollars. That feels weird because this is just this is a
full good game. You know, it's a decent length and everything, the
production values through the roof. Clearly a lot of work was put into this
game from whatever size team it may have been from, and so the fact
that it was shadow drop into game Pass and it's thirty dollars digital only,
that just okay. So what at the time we were all like this,
shouldn't the should be more than thirty dollars. We're like, I know,
no one wants to hear that, but at the time we were saying that
on this show. Oh yeah, absolutely, And like I don't know.
I'm someone who was kind of like, well, I don't know, like
the imprice of whatever they want as long as that's as long as they know
what they're doing there. And that's where everything falls apart because it feels like
they didn't know what they were doing there, because what's the problem here.
It didn't sell well enough, it didn't bring in enough people. On game
Pass. You have this thing, a character action game mixed with rhythm games
that's going to be inherently niche. It's going to get awards and and everything
if it does well, but it's not going to be the thing that flies
off of shells on Walmart. So if you mess up by not positioning it
in the way that you want it to be, and you're pushing the blame
onto the developers, Like how is any of this their fault? It just
feels like passing the buck to me, And it's mind boggling, and like
it just means that in many degrees that I feel like I was wrong for
thinking that this whole thing could work, because frankly, correct me if I'm
wrong. The logic is there, it's just they don't want to spend the
money, which is wild why I mean and really what I started to get
the sense it for all this is like the across the board lack of vision
is really noticeable in moments like right like today when Sarah Bond was that the
Bloomberg thing and she announced that in July, Microsoft is going to be launching
the Microsoft Xbox Game Store for mobile, Like that's launching this summer, and
it's like, yeah, man, okay, this company always has an idea
for a store or a service. But when it comes to the thing that
would get people excited about the brand of putting out games and knowing how to
support those games and doing right by those games and giving them every chance to
succeed, those get sacrificed first and early and often. And then you like
look turned back to the company, like what are they talking about. They're
talking about a mobile app store that I think has a maybe half a percent
chance of succeeding Sean on what fucking planet to people install other app stores on
their phone. Android has had that option from the beginning, and no other
app store that's not installed when you turn on the goddamn phone in the first
place has ever worked. You can put you can put Fortnite on the Epic
Store and ask people to download that the biggest game in the world for years,
and no one fucking did it. What are you talking about? You
would think Call of Duty and Minecraft are going to make a difference there,
They're not. It won't. It's not gonna work. Why is this the
play It's crazy to me? Yeah, you and I and Naniel are Android
OG's no, what happened with the Amazon App Store? We used it like
the Epic Epic Game Store. We got our free shit, and we bounced
over Google Play because and then I forgot about phone yep. Yeah. So
the fact that they think, the fact that they think that they have these
ip that are going to be the things that push people towards it is also
bonkers because first of all, it's it's taken until now for Apple to get
in legal trouble for this to even be possible over on that platform. Rights
and foremost exactly, yes, this is all happy regulation. Yes, it's
still not the case here in the US. Like that's so you're still missing
a gigantic portion of the market. I don't know, it seems silly to
me. Did did we not learn this with battle nets and Bethesda Launcher and
all these are launchers, even Yay's learning it with Origin now and they've pivoted
away from that. Sometimes people like the thing that just works, and you
gotta just take that hit on the thirty percent or whatever it is to get
your games out to where people are to get those transactions rolling in, because
people aren't going to go the average person. We might if the deals good
enough, right, but you're giving us free stuff or whatever. The average
person is not gonna know. They're not gonna get that's they're not gonna know,
they're not gonna they're not gonna care it is. It's even if it's
demonstrably better in every way, it won't matter. This is like you know
and like and this isn't like something that we're just saying. There's you know,
studies done about the organ donors and like the thing where you have to
check it on a license and they're like, okay, so we're to do
a little study and we're gonna see how people behave if we leave that unchecked
and most people don't check it, and it say, okay, well we're
gonna start with it checked. And you have to like uncheck it if you
don't want to be an organ donor most people leave it checked. Everyone just
does the path of lease assistance. And it's not like something where it's like,
oh, I don't even notice. We justify it to ourselves afterward,
as we do. Like that best when they would interview people like people that
had like similar backgrounds, who like when they would get their license and would
have the check or not have the check, and it like seemed like they
didn't care, they would be like, well, no, this is my
belief. They would adopt the belief just based on the path of lease resistance.
That's how hardwired our brains are toward doing the default That's why until X,
let's okay, hey I suppose okay, so I guess we maybe we're
stumbling out what's gonna happen here. Maybe Microsoft pays billions of dollars to be
a default store next to the app store on the iPhone. That is a
possibility, because that's like the way it works, Like Google pays billions of
dollars to happen to be the default search on Safari. They could do something
along those lines, But then that's the strategy spending billions of more dollars?
What are we talking about here? Once again, I also don't think Apple
would do that. I don't think they would take that deal. And they
force to my regulators right exactly because I think they know that, No,
we're taking our cut. Dude. You want access to our user base that
we've built up are the past. See what's it been now a decade and
a half. You're getting out to play by our rules, dude? Yep,
yeah, it's Uh. I know that one especially gets me where you
know, you close down a studio and your next big thing is another store.
Jem. How how the hell have Microsoft in the I don't know the
exact day, but you know, like thirty ish years of quote unquote modern
windows. How are they not the default place for PC games over their games?
The operating system? Yeah? Right right, that's where we're talking,
like, yeah, they the windows. Yeah, they are so bad at
it for so long and they haven't figured it out. It's not like it's
changed. If anything, it's worse than ever. Like the buying games through
Windows and not through Steam. Is you ask the average person to do that,
like they don't even know where to start, uh, and what like
they're gonna run into headaches. God, my my. Trying to buy games
or even you use game pass on PC was broken for like a year and
a half. There's some people I know who it's still broken. It's but
they're really bad at it. Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make.
They're so bad at it that they are not the default. We're talking
about how insane it is for anyone to use anything other than the default.
Gamers go out of their way to install Steam on a fresh installation Windows yep,
bonkers yep. And that's like, that's just like cultural momentum, right,
that's the that is the and you can't really do anything about that.
And they I think they mostly understand this because they talk about how like people
have their library of games on PlayStation and it's so hard to get them away
from that, and so trying to get them to do something different on console
you spend five hundred dollars on a different machine is really difficult and we shouldn't
even really be trying to do that, all right, But then you know
the same stories honestly, not not just true, it's like more true with
mobile free default options. And I just don't see how you're gonna win that
uphill battle whatever sort of a sort of on a topic. Well, I
haven't been following this super closely. What do you know about this whole The
next Xbox may have alternative stores. Yeah, I want to educate me and
the me and the listeners here. Yeah. So, I mean this is
something that I think we've we've heard rumblings of. I think that like they've
even alluded to this idea. But this is not too strange coming from Microsoft,
the current day Microsoft. So the idea is you would have the Xbox
and you would be able to sideload just various other things including like Steam or
maybe like EA store Ubisoft stuff, and you'd be able to buy stuff directly
through them. Now that might sound crazy, this is something that Microsoft has
done with the Windows Store, at least they plan to do it. I
believe this does operate this way now on the Windows Store. In the background,
if you put an app on the Window Store, you no longer have
to go through the give Microsoft to thirty percent cut option. You can bring
your own payment platform, like a machine engine and do that yourself, so
you could pay a way smaller fee to someone else and completely cut Microsoft out
on their own store on Windows. Now. I think what happens there is
that is part of some sort of weird long legal regulation play where Microsoft is
doing that so they are positioned when the battle comes in the future with regulators,
everyone is forced to do the same thing. So if we get to
the point we allow Steam, therefore you can't say monopoly, we allow Steam,
and we are in the position to argue against Apple in court that now
Apple must allow us to bring the Microsoft Game Store onto the store and we
could process our own payments. I suppose if they could do something along those
lines, they can make some headway, because if it's like, well,
no, Call of Duty Mobile is still just on the Apple App Store,
but when you install it, it installs at the Microsoft Store and that's how
you launch the game, and now you're in that platform and we can process
our own payments. That's probably what they're trying to do here. But again
that is that that's fine. I get that, but that is not vision.
That is manipulating pieces on a board Machiavellian style, and it's not let's
make great games to get people excited about the story of buying an Xbox or
buying into Xbox whatever. Buying the hardware, fuck it, it's over.
I get it. But buying int the idea of Xbox, that's not what
that is. That is that it is business manipulation and it's not inspiring in
the least. I think I think you said the magic word here, vision
and I think that's what's lacking right now. They they say that they have
it, but they're not executing on it. And that's the core problem here,
because they have all these wonderful ideas, and ideas have been working out
well. Like like I said at the top, game Pass is fantastic for
consumers, and it theoreically should be good for Microsoft as well. But because
numbers started to peter out, and that's what always comes back to, number
didn't go up enough, and that's that's just frustrating. You need to commit
to executing on the vision. You can't just have it and then pivot to
it in the heat of the moment, because that is what feels like is
happening a little bit, is that they're not thinking about the long term.
They're panicking in the moment too. There's there's more to the story, and
hear more stories over the coming weeks, but it feels like folding to shareholders,
folding to some I struggle to even say executives because, like you pointed
out the ore day when you and Mike were talking about this, this is
a film thing. It's not specifically a Sachia thing. Like, yeah,
gaming right there is definitely like to say, the iosuron of Microsoft is turned
to gaming. I don't think like it definitely that's happened, but that that
happens a lot of times, and then people are like, oh shit,
I got to get my shit together. These are Phil's decisions. These are
at the very least approval on like final exactly. Yes, he is the
final step. Yes, that's what I mean, like party, He's part
of that executive team making these decisions collectively. But yeah, the team owns
everything that's happening here, regardless of like if there's pressure from above. Yeah,
sure, that happens all the time. Everyone has that at their job.
That's not I mean, it also doesn't go much higher. It might
go laterally, but it doesn't go much higher than the people who are in
charge of this stuff right now based on how things are structured as far as
we know it, and I don't know the whole thing's a mess right now,
and hopefully we help people sort through their thoughts a little bit here,
but it's still very confusing, very upsetting, and hopefully they can write the
ship because at the end of the day, you know, like, let's
take any fanboyism out of it, let's take any of that bullshit away from
this conversation. Let's just talk about what's happening. I think we can all
agree they had something good, and they could have something good. Still they're
just fumbling in right now. Yep, all right, Let's get to a
couple other news stories. Basically what I wrote down here on the run down
is Xbox stuff, Sony stuff, and Nintendo stuff. The Sony stuff mostly
happened over the weekend where they were going to force people to sign into PSN
for a Hell Divers two, and that was going to that was going to
cause the game to get delisted on Steam in one hundred and seventy seven countries
they do not have PSN and so therefore we'd not be able to play the
game for a game that's already come out. That was this asters and basically
it's a big reversal by Sony now apparently, and you know, I don't
know if this is confirmed. I saw this going on early to earlier tonight,
but it seems like stores like green Man Gaming are refunding purchases of Ghost
of Sushima because Sony is now delisting that in those same countries, even though
it only requires the online excuse me for the online multiplayer portion of that game,
which is a small segment off the side, but regulation probably dictates they're
probably not others sell that game in the country if the PSN isn't there or
something like that, or maybe there's some thing where these companies do not want
to be on the line for refunds. It's probably Steam like they right there
ass they're like, oh, if you this game is a whole part of
this game doesn't work, so we better not sell it in dis places.
Yeah, probably that either needs to be a very explicitly advertised a point of
sale or you know, like a big red banner like they sometimes have,
or you just can't sell it. And after hell Diverge two in the backlash
there, I think they see the potential for this wouldn't be as big.
But even if it's like, you know, ten percent the size of the
Helldiver's two backlash. That's a lot of chargebacks on credit cards, and that
stuff adds up into a huge headache for these companies and they want to avoid
it either way, Why is it PSN in these goddamn countries? If this
is what you're requiring, this is so weird. It's a good question.
As somebody who lives in a country where PSN wasn't around for a long time.
I'll tell you, like, people just creates the USA account, the
PSN USA accounts whatever they are, and issues works. But like the problem
is, like is team just realize that and they don't want to have any
problem. And I think his team was the one like made them pull out
the game from those plays, because if the game still wasn't team you could
you could just hook up your your USA PSN account and you just play like
that. It wasn't that big a problem. But because they pull out the
game, that became a problem. Yeah. I don't know what it would
be. Why, Jeff, to your point of why is PSN noveil there?
Maybe it's something to do with servers and perspructure not being able to do
things internationally. Maybe some support probably yes, I supporting supports expensive, Yeah,
for all that. Yeah, I may just be like not being able
to make that connection internationally is what I imagine the case would be. Needs
to stop doing this, so needs to stop requiring it. Just make it
an incentive, make it, make it, give us a goodie for signing
them with PSN. I know not everyone's going to do it, but what
it like, what is the I mean, dude, you know how many
freaking people they would get connecting their accounts that they gave like five bucks in
premium currency or something equivalent value. Like back in the day when I was
when I first checked out Fortnite with friends, I absolutely connected all the accounts
I could because they gave you, like, you know, these different costumes
that were themed around the platform that you were on. I was like,
serve, I'll take free stuff for like, you know, five minutes of
my time. Why not? And that's what they're going for, and they're
looking for the data, and I think, yeah, just give them a
free be like I'm I'm avoiding saying sort of like credit where credits do.
But they did reverse the decision, so at least they're learning that's a yeah
thing to come out of all this. But if they're if They're not just
gonna completely reverse it, They're gonna try to put it in other things like
ghosta Sushima. Well, then maybe they didn't learn as much as we thought
they did, and they were just trying to avoid the backlash, which hey,
that would be really scummy, right yep. Yeah. And I mean,
and again, this only bothers me so much because I'm just used to
signing of these things. I'm an old man. I've gotten like, I've
just done this dance so many times, I can't kind of can't get the
furvor up in my heart for it. But it's still like, I still
think it's a bad idea and something they should not do anymore. And if
they could have, if I'm in that company, and I would find a
way to avoid this, and I would just simply do something different and provide
a different way for people to want to sign into PSN instead of forcing them
to sign in the PSN. It's just so clearly the right path forward for
every decision. When it comes to trying to get gamers to do something,
it's always smarter to give them something and incentivize as opposed. The carrot works
so much better than the stick. It's just stupid. What do you think,
SORR, Is this related to them, like making like a launcher for
a PC? Is this is why they're That's actually what I was going to
ask you, What do you think why do they want this so badly?
Obviously the you know, the the almost cop out answer is data, which
yeah, all right, but I know it feels like to have them.
There's it's got to be something more in that in the long run. Yeah,
I mean, I I think the idea is that you need a certain
critical mass to make one of these launchers work, and the way you do
that is to build up an affinity for stuff like trophies. And then suddenly
someone's like, well, you know, I better make sure I'm signing the
PSN every time. And I signed a PSN, and now there's a store
here, and look at this this thing is is a dollar cheaper on here
as opposed to when I buy it on Steam. Maybe I'll just are making
my purchases directly through PlayStation. I mean, I assume it's like that's the
long term play, but I mean it's not gonna work. Yeah. We
are a whole discussion about that, which is what makes me You can't figure
it out exactly. Yeah, like if Microsoft Ange and people hanging out on
the Xbox app listen Discord. Discord is installed on every goddamn computer in the
fucking world. And they had they tried to have to sell games store.
It didn't work because like if this car can't do it, Yeah, that's
the most adaption crazy scored. Scored had a store, they had a subscription
service for the subscribing to indie games. They tried everything with all that stuff,
and none of that stuff's in there anymore for a reason. It's it's
the kind of thing where these companies have to try them like you can't tell
them, hey, that won't work. So well, you know there's some
growth there that we're not getting, we should try it, and they're they're
gonna try it. They're gonna see the it's not gonna work, and then
they'll try something else. But yeah, I mean, you know, you
see how it goes. It like our fandom corporation right where it's like we
got to do we just gotta try something. We got to just figure something
out and try it. And so that's just how it goes at all these
big companies. They decide on an initiative and then they're gonna see it through,
and that means like exercising every last pathway that they can think of to
make the thing work. And right now we're at the dumb idea stage I
think for a lot of the PlayStation Network on PC stuff. Yeah yeah.
Overall, though Sony's gonna report their earnings next week, they're probably gonna be
mostly fine. I think. I think the story we're gonna get out of
that company once again is boy, we wish we had more growth. We
have some we would we would really be a lot happier with significantly more,
and we don't know where that's coming from. So they're going to reiterate what
they've said before, right, Hey, we are looking harder at PC and
we're going to be more aggressive about that. They said that last time,
they're going to say that this time. No big change or panic there,
right Yeah, I just think you're right, yeah, all right, then
there is the Nintendo stuff. How do you feel about this switch two leak?
Oh? I thought we were gonna talk about Twitter, Well we can
talk about Twitter, Yeah, fucking must They're fucking Twitter from switch on.
I don't know, sometime next month, I think in June, June tenth,
I think, uh, and this has already happened on Xbox and PlayStation.
Uh. And Nintendo's like, hey, you can upload your phone and
upload it. Still we don't give a shit. And Twitter's like, we
have a very close partnership with Nintendo as a close tweet that Nintendo did not
acknowledge. So sure you do, honey, Uh huh, I believe you.
Cloud Is Shoes Company. Yep, they raised API prices and then son
lean Nintendo's like, yeah, we're not gonna do this anymore. Weird.
I can't imagine they're being a connection. You should be paying us. It's
got to be what Nintendo's thinking. Well, people were uploading Breath of the
Wild stuff onto Twitter and kind of made gaming Twitter in that like gaming Twitter
is very old. I've been there since the beginning, but like like that
moment was like, oh, it's good, it's going even more mainstream.
And then since then that's been replicated multiple times because people are uploading their shit
from Elden Ring or whatever. After that, But like Brett the Wild was
like a big moment, and it's like, you should be paying Nintendo.
What are you talking about this content that they're generating for you you want money.
Just the dumbest fucking people in the world run these companies, and it's
that's you know where I'm feeling the in shitification. Everything feels so terrible right
now. Everything is the worst it's been in a long time. That's the
fame of the night. This is this is also therapy. We're just airing
all these even says man, fuck it. The streaming services are terrible.
The internet fucking sucks, like my my upload has been the same speed for
a decade and they're they're not gonna do anything about it. It's everything is
as terrible as it possibly can be because we eventually just get back to this
point where these companies are like, ma ads are cool. It's like,
are they what are you talking about? People? Things love? Yeah,
no, definitely don't install extensions on their PC to get rid of Primate is
like putting more arts into their shows. Now it's crazy cool. I'm heard
that will yeah play out wonderfully. Yeah, Like uh yeah, It's it's
like right, like a whole fragment or whole phrase search doesn't work in Gmail
anymore. Where like when you put something in Prentice and our quotations and like,
I just want ones to have this phrase. It does not work anymore.
Yeah, I know, is terrible. It's everything is the entry comes
for everything. I get that, but it's like, at a certain point
was like, well, maintaining these services is valuable because we want people feel
good about them, and that is dead. And so just across the board,
all the terrible, all the worst people are in charge making terrible decisions
and they don't care because they're just just got to maximize profit and they're finding
ways to do that while making us miserable. It sucks. Yes, being
humane is a dead art nowadays. It seems that's that's the common thread in
all the things that we've talked about so far at night. But anyways,
Oh we got that out there. Let's talk about so many we're excited about
it. Yeah, I think I'm pretty excited about this. I hope this
rumor is true. I'm kind of operating on under the assumption that it is
UFS three point one memory again, memory for the I'm sorry, storage for
the switch. Yes, that is you know, pretty fast stuff. It's
it's like, yeah, described it as like diet envame. It's close enough
in my opinion for the cons of games you're gonna get on the switch.
You're probably still gonna have loading times here and there. It's far it's a
far cry from what you get on get in a PS five, But it's
a lot of devices, a lot of smart devices use similar kinds of storage,
and it's plenty fast enough, and if you have the right kind of
CPU that is built to sort of decompress the data from that kind of storage,
it's going to be somewhat You're not gonna notice the difference a lot of
times between that and a real SSD. So that's exciting, right, Yeah,
And as you know, I've been casually phone shopping out need want a
new one, by thinking, yeah, maybe just to treat myself. I
haven't spent a lot of money lately, maybe i'll check one out. So
I've been doing looking into specs because that's kind of person I am. I'm
like, yeah, where I am? I actually getting banged from our buck
Everything except for I believe the Galaxy S twenty four is just using UFS three
point one. That's what everything's on right now. I believe that's what Apple's
even using. They even used that. I always thought heard that they had
SST. But I think people are just colloquially calling these things. Yeah,
no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure it's c UFS. Okay,
three points. That's great. But yeah, and everybody think about how like
apps generally work really well on your phone nowadays and everything, and think about
that smoothness that they gat are there. Pair that with a better processor.
That's give me a switch to you have a good smooth experience all around.
Especially you know when you think about them coding to the metal, as they
probably will be doing well right, Like it's going to be even more optimized.
Coding to the metal. Is why I'm not also not worried about twelve
gigabytes of a memory of store of RAM. Excuse me, that's like,
you know, that's good though arm factor exactly. I am like, that's
fine. It's two six gigabyte modules of l p D that low power d
d R five Oh is d d R five good? Good? That?
I mean, they're they're not sure if it's d d R five or d
d R five X. It could be one or the other. It's in
Nvidia. I bet it's five x, but we'll see either either way.
That's that's fine. Generation. Twelve gigabytes is more than like the Xbox series
S has, right, that has like gigabytes S ten. It's I believe
that's split eight high speed too low side. Yeah, that's the exactly Okay,
so twelve gigabytes coding to the metal. I'm happy. Oh yeah,
this this thing is is gonna be good at launch, is what it's looking
like. Yeah, assuming again, rumors, rumors, rumors, assuming that
this is all true, and you know that, like people were going freaking
rain man on this stuff. I travel looking up like cross referencing shipments and
everything. Zli hear out some of this stuff. I don't know. I
don't know how I got. But yeah, if this plays out the way
you think you will combine that with some kind of good AI up scaling,
even DSS or a DSS light. Things are looking good for the switch.
Why I'm feeling pretty much about it. Everyone always calls you and Mike and
he and myself like Nintendo fanboys and everything, like this episode doesn't prove that
what are you talking about? I don't know. It kind of looks like
maybe Nintendo's doing all right. Over there. There's a non super chat question
or in chat that I wanted to like reference, hey, we wired Japanese
companies thriving, and everyone else seems like they're struggling. And I think that
like plays into like that's maybe like the underlying foundation of all of these news
stories, like where you know, Capcom did do very well, really high
profits. We did get Konami. Konami also their profits way up and they
were like, because we did shit with middle Gear, solid big surprise,
So they did start emulating what Capcom was doing and it paid off, so
their profits way up. And that's profits, right, So it's like they're
paying this much and they're making that much, and there's a huge stack of
cash between those two things. And I think it comes down to a big
part of it is just environment. Where you know, a lot of these
Western companies have very expensive employees that have only gotten more expensive, and like
we've been hearing like recent years, like Capcom is going to finally start giving
people raises, Like paying for labor in Japan has been very cheap for a
very long time, and even when they're raising increasing their wages, it's not
that expensive. And the sort of cost of living in Japan so low,
so there's not a lot of pressure from these employees to raise the wages.
So I think it's like the companies in Japan just have this a little bit
of an advantage at this moment. This is not always an advantage because you
know, a lot of stuff in Japan is there's not a lot of investment
because people are scared, and that's been like a long trend for very long
time decades in Japan, and that holds them back sometimes. But in this
moment where everyone sort of is struggling to borrow money, the fact that they
have very low labor costs are relatively low labor costs, I should say,
in Japan, seems like that is enabling them to profit on the kinds of
games that are making that are selling like you know, five to ten million
copies across most of these like successful games in Japan, and like five to
ten million copies for a game from PlayStation where they have a lot of Western
studios now and especially Microsoft, that that wouldn't really you know, them cut
the salami for them. So yeah, I don't know, that's just a
half big thought, half baked response to your question, but that's where I'm
at with that, all right. I think I think A big part of
that is also just scope, you know, keep keeping things in check more
so than we tear good for the West of just I keep saying, but
number go up. That's all Ione cares about here, and there's this less
pressure for that overall over there, I think, is what's happening there?
Yeah, yep, yep, absolutely, Okay, tell you, We'll tell
you what we're gonna do now. We are going to take a quick break
when we get back. We had a lot of super chats. We're going
to get to those right after this and we're back. That was a great
news segment, But you know what, I need some super chats shown.
Go ahead and read those for me absolutely. First of one up here from
Big Fresh thirty seven. Xbox deserves all the heat here. But I don't
get why this boils down to game pass bad for so many when every traditional
publisher is also cutting. Why is that model better all leads to bad?
Oh? Fair point right? Why? Well, like everything is strung.
I don't think game pass bad is what we're saying. First, I think
necessarily even mean us oh sure, okay, yes, And I think for
a lot of people that are like we thought game pass was the future,
and now it sounds like Microsoft saying it's not the future. There are a
lot of people that are going to say game pass bad because they've been saying
that for years, and they've been, you know whatever, dancing on the
grave is what they're doing right now. Sure, yeah, I mean,
just don't listen to them. You know, we try to be reasonable on
this show. Come here instead. The model, the traditional model is not
necessarily better. It just seems like it's making more sense in this specific moment,
and it seems like that's the one Microsoft is choosing too, because they're
like, hey, the rumors are they're looking at putting more games on PlayStation.
They' putting more games in the game pass. Potentially that could change,
but the reality is no one has the model that is going to be the
future model of the future. That's where we're have a conversation in the second
half of this episode what this gaming look like in five years The spoiler warning,
we don't fucking know, because no one does exactly. That one also
came in before the show started, so hopefully someone what we talked about there,
I answer your question, big fresh hop We we just think that the
concept of game pass is good. The problem that a lot of people are
having right now is that Microsoft's execution of game Pass, specifically like THELM executing
it, is the problem right now and not predicting that they would be in
this situation where it would stop growing because everyone has an Xbox has one has
game Pass and now there's no one left to sell it to. So what
do you expect exactly? Next up another one from Big Fresh Story three thirty
seven. Sorry, I counter picked Animal Well, so f me is a
dounky gonna save gaming? Yes, maybe you'll probably talk about that later in
the show, But did you feel an Animal well yet? Honestly, I'm
not feeling it yet. But it's not like I dislike it. I just
it is one of those things where people reached out to me specifically, like
you're gonna like this game, and that's like put so much pressure on it,
and I'm like, I hope I do. But it just has not
had that aha magic moment yet for me from the little I've seen. I
know Jeff Bakla was excited about this one going into it, it seems like
more of a hymn kind of game. People may have just been recommending it
to you because of Metroidvanus stuff. I think, so we'll see, we'll
see. I think, you know, I never really played Fez people,
and that's one I've always been interested in. And people are saying this is
similar, but we'll see it's People also said Tunic, and I'm like sort
of lost the plot on Tunic at the end. So yeah, from Jacob
Bench playing Corono Trigger for the first time, It's peak seems like a good
game. I don't know, I've played it a couple of times. I've
just never finished it. I do enjoy it. You're gonna finish. It's
a It's a rare blind spot for me. I've never played Corona Trigger.
Hell when you get to thank you? Okay? And next up from Preny
Dude. Remember the dev Underscore direct in January, most people were optimistic about
Xbox. Now I don't even care about the brand. Why should I If
they don't care about their devs. That June showcase won't save them either.
Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be very curious about that showcase. We'll
see. Yeah, you know, I mean people forget four Xbox uh the
their showcase last year, people were feeling pretty down because of Red Fall,
right, and then change things change quick. Now I think this is different.
But we'll see how people are feeling in gym a month. In gaming,
it's a long time. And I think this showcase in particular is going
to be pivotal to them right now because of this. They need they need
to deliver or you know, we're pessimistic right now. People might be even
more upset after that if it doesn't deliver so fast. Last year, we
have like before the game and works, we have like how many like thousands
of people getting fired and then when the game of Wark happens, everybody else
like oh cool. Games are like people for yeah, and we also like
we always forget that, like you know, we're paying attention to this stuff.
And I do think that this Xbox news is getting out into the mainstream.
I do. I think that the bad sentiments tend to leak out,
but I don't think that that is something that people are going to keep in
mind for a month. If you're somewhat more casual, yeah, not as
much. Like I talked about, Hey, you know and my normy friends,
this is the kind of thing where I say to them, I'm like,
hey, the studio that made High five Rush closed, We're not going
to get second one. They're going to be like that sucks. I think
they also see it as companies bad. So yeah, if you tell us
like a company closed a team or fired a team, they're just like,
shoot, dude, that's too real to my day job. I know what
that's like. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me. I think that's where
we're sitting on that right now. Agreed from Ak. I've got all the
platforms and Xbox Series X is my favorite to play games on. But I'm
so tired of everything Xbox being a trash fire all the time. Please tell
me there's some reason for optimism with this thing. Yeah. I mean my
Xbox had basically broken because it was hanging on an update, so I had
to do like a hard reset and like completely refresh the thing. And I
started playing on it like last week, and I'm like, I do enjoy
using that console. I know, like Dan dan Riker, it's his console
choice when he has to play on a console at home. There are there
are a lot of people out there like that. It's it's a fine device
that they really nailed. And I think the telling thing is how unimportant.
That is, at the end of the day, Oh, you got a
nice thing to play games on, So what what's the story of the brand?
They don't have that, So it's yeah, I have the reason for
optimism. Look, I think there's gonna be some good stuff in the showcase,
But like, is there gonna be mind blowing stuff? I don't know.
And is it enough to change the change that narrative? I doubt it.
Yeah, in terms of optimism, I'm sorry, AKA don't know quite
what to tell you at this point, but I will say, at least
he got a good box for playing games, plays current s and stuff.
Right. You already have got backers compatability out the wazoo, which is something
that our platforms don't have right now. At the very least, as long
as you're comfortable making that purchase, you have a good box for gaming.
If it doesn't stay your primary platform for gaming, you know that sucks more
for Microsoft than does to you, because you can go elsewhere. And it
reminds me of what Mike and Mike's hit tweet from the r day, starting
to think that future gaming isn't Xbox or PlayStation. Never too late to come
on over to the pcsor things because let me tell you we'll talk about later
in the show, but this week we're thriving over here and des Yeah,
so not too late to make the switch from l Grugg controversy. That's a
people should go watch grub Bag or whatever. We ended up coming grubs grab
Bag. We're thinking about maybe a different tile for that. But that was
a fun stream that me and Nikki did today. Agree a very good time.
It was just it was random games on Steam and a community helped pick
them as we were streaming it. That sounds fun. I think it's even
more fun than it sounds. It was. Really, we'll try to do
so my recommendations. I can't imagine why we didn't do well. We'll probably
do more of those. People. So if you like the idea of you
shouting keywords into a chat and us trying to find games based on a keyword
that you vote on for us to play, check that video and may check
out the next one we do, and you know, you know I'll do
for you. Christian. I'm not going to put in nine to eleven into
the search, but but if you like, can can if you can trick
us into searching something that brings up a game related to that, we'll have,
Like you know, it'll be like on the Pee Wee Herman Show where
alarms go off and all that stuff. We'll have that set up. You
set you found the secret games? Okay from Flim playing Andrew. With Xbox
studio closures and rumors of Call of Duty not coming to game Pass, does
this hint towards a greater issue in the gaming submodel? First of all,
I want to say, call of Duty not coming to game Pass, They're
gonna lose so many fucking people. Uh huh. Okay, we didn't even
like bring this up, but I'm so I'm glad the super chats here we
should have. That is like one of the rumors. I'm at a point
where, like I am, maybe I'm just choosing to believe that. Well,
of course they have to have that conversation. It would be maybe a
little bit weird if they didn't have that conversation, right because the thing is
so valuable. But if you don't, if you if they're not able to
convince themselves that Call of Duty is worth putting in a game pass, it's
over. It is over over, I say. I can say from experience.
My friends picked a you know, we we're smart about our subscriptions,
and I recommend everyone else do the same. Turn off auto renew on your
subscriptions because that way you just buy what you need, even you know,
buy a month of whatever. Take the fifteen seconds, like bookmark this to
make it easier myself to go to the subscription page and then just tick turn
off auto renue. Because my friend is currently subscribed to game Pass, he
chose to leave it on because he's like, you know, right now I'm
playing like you roughly won game a month out of service. At least that's
worth it to me for the ten bucks a month, you know, it's
not terrible. And so for him, he's keeping on. And one of
the stipulations is because what the next call of duty should be the ones in
game Pass, right, I'm like, yeah, it should be. And
so yeah, so I'll just leave it on and if it ain't, go
lose him and probably a lot of our people if nothing else, because of
faith, and they should they should, because that's that is the signifier that
it's done. Yeah. I don't think the subscription model itself is the problem.
I think it is again the commitment to the vision of what that should
be. Right. They're on times and they're just not seeing it through.
They're, like you said, they're being bottlenecked by hardware right now and they're
trying it out in more places. But we'll see. Yep from Oiya Zoomy
mechs here to ask about any news our new Ridge Racer from Mike who's gone
but not forget Tracer shit, No, no, I got nothing for you.
I tried Ridge Racer sixty four again. That game is not great.
Sixty four is not great. No, it's not slow. The PlayStation ones
are good, oh fantastic? Yes, yeah, especially especially our four from
Bandar sn Do we think ninja theories UI five tech is more valuable than hell
Blade itself to Xbox It could be what keeps the studio alive as a lot
of Xboxes on Unreal. I mean they already got an Unreal studio and coalition,
and their coalition is not going anywhere. So yeah, that's true because
and it's not going anywhere, not because Gears, but because the Unreal stuff.
So yeah, I I think I see what this super Task getting at.
Don't necessarily need Ninja theory if they need a few engineers from Ninja theory.
I understand the concern there, and I, oh, yeah a lot.
I'm concerned about all these studios. Yeah, especially something like an inja
theory. Is there any world where they are happy with how that game performs?
I doubt it, yeah, t Bucket twenty three. Some of Xbox's
non Triple A games on game Pass have been my favorite games ever, including
Psychon Knots to Pentiment and High Fi Rush. I'm so sad hearing about the
closures, as these devs deserve better. Yeah, and that's that's danny and
intended. But that's why I play as a thumbnail for this episode. Jeff
Dev's deserve better. Yep, I agree, that's and my heart goes out
to all of them. Ninten Derek. In honor of today's four indie releases
and to add a big goodness to a bad week, we're your top four
favorite indie games. Ooh, hang on, I keep a running list of
my favorite games when I pulled out here while you uh do Yeah, I
like. The first one that comes to mind, unfortunately is The Witness.
I like that game a lot. I really do like that game. Despite
Jonathan Blow being just the real piece of shit and you can tell him I
said that. Uh yeah, what else do I really like? For me?
Shovel Night is uh? Celeste very very good? Uh god, I
still haven't finished Celest just because I go back to it in bits and pieces
here and there and just bang my head. I guess a wall for like
a weekend with that. Let me do hear all games sort by hours played.
That's not a great way of doing things. I suppose Egos, an
indie game, so Eco, Yeah, yeah, you love that game.
Do I have a installed that? I mean, balatro hits dude, real
good. Oh oh, into the breach, into the breaches up there and
then yo, uh Vampire Survivors. Vampire Survivors Neon White is really up there
for me? Yeah, man, let's see here and then uh, I
guess it used to be an indie game Rocket League. Oh right, yeah,
one day one day it was yeah, oh there you go. Good
list of indies for you there, ha Hades for sure. Yeah from epic
wall papers. How many cash irons are in dead space to remake this our
truth? This is our truth coming for us. Oh yeah, maybe under
a different name, yeah, possibly, Yeah, listen, I'll tell you
if I told you that they truly would kill me Tracy from the head of
pr and he would truly have me destroyed. From puppies on acid bbbb,
I think these puppies might be on acid. Think I think they might be
tweaking from b R t R got Redfall is an a m D CPU buondle
promo one year ago. I'm surprised you found one that still did that.
Never had the desire to touch it, But now it's never felt more like
a bad slash dead promo ITEMP. Hoping the best for those affected by the
layoffs, I why just at least let those people who did all that work
put out that fucking update. Yeah, listen, what matters the most is
the people getting laid off, losing their jobs and being out in the cold.
But their work, like the fruits of their labor, also matters.
I'm sure it matters to those people. They would like, Hey, we
did all this stuff, we put some effort into this. Just put it
out. I guess there would be more supporting So they don't want to do
that. Not that that's an excuse. That is also truly frustrating. It
makes me mad, But man, that game it's not good. I don't
know what red Fall deserves or anything. I don't really care what red Fall
deserves, but I wish that we lived in a world where that game could
just be played offline in perpetuity, so we can go back and check it
out whenever we want to. Yeah, regardless of what you think of the
game, people worked on and that's that's the message I tried preaching on the
Toppler, So have humanity. Everybody, remember that people worked on these things
and they're not doing well right now. Yep, but thank you for a
super said Banjo. Playing Bear sounds familiar, says. Sony has earnings coming
up next week and their stock has not been doing well. Is it plausible
that they will also have more layoffs. Yeah, it's plausible. I don't
necessarily think they'll do it, but it's plausible. It feels like it's plausible
any day of the week now, right. Everyone's trying to cut costs.
That's that's the reality. Everyone's trying to cut costs. But we'll see,
we'll see how they're doing. You know, they had their hardware sales were
also down thirty percent in the United States last quarter, and I think that
might have them panicking a little bit, and that could lead them lead to
more cutting costs, which would lose more people losing their jobs. So it's
on the table, I hope not exactly from guard tooth. Do you think
Microsoft tries a competitive mainstream next gen console or do they decide to just be
a big third party with hardware for a core Niche feels to me like Xbox's
Dreamcast moments. Dreamcast moment is maybe accurate to degree, there's probably some major
I think we're in a major shift. What does that look like for hardware?
And that's gonna be We're gonna talk about this in detail here in a
little bit, but I think I think they go just more boutique whatever that
ends up looking like. Yeah, I think what I've been trying to tell
people for a long time now is Xbox When when Phil Spencer says Xbox is
not necessarily just a box, I think that is the future of gaming on
the whole, and I think that's what the future for them looks like.
So it's almost like you know, a Dreamcast moment. Parentheses positive because I
think they're going to branch out in other ways and hopefully, hopefully teams will
still be there to support it right from McConnell wood. But did number go
up as much as they need to? Apparently? Yeah, the number not
going up. From Soso roxo. What would your advice to Xbox and Phil
Spencer be at this moment? Is Xbox a problem for Microsoft? My advice
would be, first, I get it, this is hard. I know
a lot of people are like this. These people definitely need to leave,
and I think they need to leave in so far as like other people are
losing their jobs. Why do why is the why are the people always always
get to keep it? But I don't think some other leaders suddenly everything's different
from them. I think they still kind of have a lot of the problems,
brought a lot of the same problems, And that comes back to just
like the environment that these companies exist in. But that doesn't mean you can't
make some better choices. And I think I would focus on the games.
I would be like, the number one priority is putting out games that cannot
be denied in how good they are. And it's like that at all costs,
you know, up to you know, reasonable degree, But all these
other distractions need to like sort of be put on the side burners and upfronts,
what's the next game that's coming out? Okay, it is. Everybody
who knows how to make a good game is going to be sharing information about
how how to make it the best game it can possibly be, and we're
going to be in there frequently making sure that it gets to that point because
we want to support you. You've done all this work. Let's make sure
it pays off and it's doesn't feel like that's happened. That would be my
advice. That is the big problem I feel in general is you know,
one hand not talking to another, and we've heard about how hands off Xbox
has been in all of this, and sot of just leting studios do their
thing, which is fine to an extent, but seems like too much of
a good thing. Is too much of a good thing here where studios are
lacking guidance under Microsoft is sort of what feels like the problem is saying there
just needs to be more Yeah, like you said, more of the teams
working together and you know, rising tide, sharing best practices, that sort
of thing. Yeah, yeah, from Raymond Octahl. With the backlash,
you think they might think twice with the next round of cuts to main xbox
studios or are they just or are we just going to see round three of
pain. I think if there were other studios to be closed, they would
have just done them all at the same time. They would have done it
now, So I think that doesn't mean there's more layoffs coming. There probably
could be more layoffs coming, but if they had in their brain that they
were going to be closing other studios, that it would have made all the
sentinel to just do it all at the same time. So you could just
take that beating those last things all at once, instead of being like,
oh, is this going to be a death march going forward? They do
that, they do it again in a couple of weeks, a couple of
months, they shut down more studios. It's going to feel like a death
march, and that would be even worse than it feels now, which it
might be hard to imagine. Yeah, from green thumbs, studio closures have
always sucked, but this is senseless. I hope the affected developers land on
their feet big same here. Yeah, I mean it's especially I mean,
I don't know what state Arcane Austin was in. I really have zero idea,
but we're hearing that, Like Tango game Works was like, hey,
we were pitching the sequel to that game that everyone liked, and the people
that made it are here. They did not go with Shinji Mukami. Okay,
senseless is the word? Yeah, Yeah, definitely cool. Fran nineteen,
would you expect to uh? Would you expect to see a PlayStation showcase
announcement next week? Expect is a strong word. I wouldn't be surprised as
how I would put it. I just heard May. That's you know.
I'm gonna try try to be honest with the stuff. I try to be
open with it. I've just heard May. I've heard a few things that
might be in there that I can't confirm, So I'm not going to be
talking about any of that. The d for the timing, I heard May.
That's the best I have for you. So maybe next week, maybe
later, I honestly don't know. Yeah, there you go. From d
cash one one four. I'm a PlayStation gamer who also got an Xbox series
access jen Boy. They make it easy for someone like me to ditch them
with lack of games going multiplayt and now clear lack of intent to make unique
games. Going forward. Yeah, I'm absolutely true that you're a bet a
lot of people are in that same boat. Decash Yeah from Dean Charged Wolf
And this was the not super chat that you read. Why are Japanese Company?
He's like second Capcom flair, saying while Western studios like Microsoft is flattering
lower budgets, lower expectations. Well, hopefully we answer that one for you.
Well, yeah, I mean a lot of it's also like you know,
for all things we said. On top of that, you know,
uh, the currency in Japan is really deflated right now, so it's it's
easy to like make country, make a lot of money in other countries,
and then when that comes back home it goes really far. So there's a
there's a lot of factors. It's but I think when it comes down to
it, they're making games that people want to play, right, isn't that
just what it is? Yeah? I think so. I mean cap COM's
on fire right now, I mean all on a roll. Yeah, like
just head after ahead, a persona like a dragon. These things are growing
bigger and bigger every entry. They're doing the things we say, hey,
you have something that worked, do it again and build up that fan base.
Oh and the seventh one is the biggest one. The eighth one sold
a million copies in a month, like yeah, go ahea Christian. I
also feel like Japan there's a lot of workers protections, so like having one,
yeah, being hard to fire somebody and like having to buy the bullet
and like for companies to like when something goes bad, like the the higher
apps, having to like not fire people and like like reinvent themselves and like
keep working on that stuff. Like that makes people working at that company like
more right, Yeah, they make better games afterwards, after like being so
much time in the same company. You know. Yeah, it's very true.
The teams want to be there and they don't. They're not afraid that,
oh I'm not goingting my job tomorrow, or at least very least not
as much, you know, like because people that's actually you know, that's
a point that I hadn't really thought about on a US. Japan doesn't really
fire people, at least in the business world. They it's very difficult shuffle
people around, and unfortunately, as we saw the Kojima sometimes and get passive
aggressively pulling them into positions until they quit. But you don't really get fired
so yeah, maybe, and you and Jan were talking about That's what I
was trying to think of on GMM today. Uh. With Capcom in particular,
they are learning from their mistakes. Uh. The Street Fire six team
talked about the fact that, you know, the people who worked on five
learned from their mistakes on five, so going into Street Fire six, they
just fix the things that didn't work. And why you know, stree Fire
six is fantastic, Like yep, some and the and these these teams were
able to stick together for years and years and years, not not always like
one consistency, not always one hundred percent of the team sticks around, but
larger portions of the teams than in a lot of other places in the world.
Yeah. You you get a lot of Japanese devs stick in the same
company. Yeah, they made they made their careers part of that exactly that
company. Yeah. Yeah. Uh from Mikey O'Leary. Just saw the New
Apes, You're gonna end up wondering if Bakla wrote it because characters constantly comment
on or ask if things are important. All right, I can't wait.
I actually looking forward to that movie. I like all of those apes movies.
Kent of the apes movies, even the even the the what's his name
one? Uh, Tim Burton, even the Tim Burton one. It's like,
you hear the conversation they have about on the dumb Truck today. I
missed. I like caught portions where I think Adam was talking a little bit
about the movie and being excited about it. But that's all I heard,
basically talking about Yeah, basically talking about how they're like dumb fund or anything.
Apparently Paul Reiker big fan of the Tim burn one. He just he
likes halle Berry. Yeah, who doesn't. Nick says, is this the
shift from Xbox to Microsoft Gaming? Yeah, I mean they'll keep the Xbox
branding and they'll try to make it as strong as possible because that's worth a
lot more than Microsoft Gaming. But yeah, basically yeah, I mean I
think they internally have shifted their view of what they are, and that and
everything. All the choices that we're seeing is then expressing that in ways that
make everyone go, wait, what the hell what about the console? And
they're like, what do you what about it? We don't give a ship.
Yeah, So yeah, that's what this is. We'll definitely talk more
about that in a little bit here j D Camp. Does Beckler like the
sphere now because of the draft? I haven't asked him. I will ask
him though, how if his opinion has changed about the sphere because of the
NHL draft? Okay, I do think we have a reporter on the ground
who has joined the chat. No, I'm back, I'm back home.
Hello, Hey Banani, how's it going? Hi? Do you want to
jump in? You want me to stay away? No? You can?
You can? I mean, yeah, hang out with us? So yeah,
let's just do it. Oh shit, Oh he's trying to hop in
pop in? Yeah, I want make it work. There you go,
look right, show with your wrist. I don't mean to cause a ruckus.
Did you tell her when I hurt my wrist? I mentioned I mentioned
something, but I don't know if I like got to a lustrative with how
that went down or anything. Don't have very much info. Yeah, I
mostly just said you were trying to get out of your next flight club game.
So oh it does hurt. But what's up? He Hey guys doing
You're doing good? It gets you know? Why are so many people watching?
I can't imagine why. I think because you weren't here. Super chants
and Earthing too. I honestly think it's because of seot's headline xboxes failed management.
I think people are from both sides are here, should make heads He's
better. You can continue. I'll just comment on things if I want to.
Okay, okay, we're just doing super Chest right now. I feel
for your time in Man with a Stick. I was flabber acid by Bond's
unprepared response on Bloomberg and enough for me to finally cancel twenty four months of
Ultimate the lackadaisical attitude to failure at the eleventh hour of execution discuss me.
Wow, sorry, I lot big words there. I missed what she said.
I just saw it myself. I literally just want it. Yeah.
The person from Bloomberg was like, hey, like, you know, this
studio just released a game that was a successive one awards, right, like
why should thumb down? Shouldn't they be safe? And then Sarah Bond just
kind of said nothing for a minute, like really just like words came out
talking about I don't know if he'll prepares, just like, well, like
what can't she say? So she's just like dodging the either she's ill prepared
or dodging the question she should she should have known that was going to come
so that she didn't have an artful way to get out of it. Yes,
and not get out of but like say something that means something but still
acknowledges the reality of the situation. Uh, and people would still get mad
at you, but just having nothing to say. I think this person's response
is completely fair. You just fired a bunch of people and you have nothing
to say about it. Yeah, right, Like, especially if you're going
to give an interview. I don't know, it's it's weird. I have
no idea, like, like there's a big question of like culpability of the
Big Three. I guess in some sense, like how much of this is
them? How much of it is the that I of saar on higher up
at Xbox, like we've been talking about, right, But of course Sarah
Bonn has some responsibility here, so there needs to be like, look,
if you if you fired them because you needed to save money, just then
say it, you know, don't don't kind of dance around it or try
to be cute about it. Yeah. Yeah, while we're kind of on
the topic, Mike, did you have anything else to add on anything we've
talked about tonight, the whole Xbox thing and everything. Just I mean,
I talked about it on Tuesday. It's weird that it seems to be getting
worse right with like the reports of more firing is probably coming. I don't
know, just the confidence at an all time low in that brand. It
is, you know, it goes back to I think Jeff has said this
also how weird. We we both thought it was from the beginning when they
started to deemphasize the console and it just seemed like, don't you need to
sell the console to get people on board with everything else, especially game Path
and the kind of RESPONSI filler. People's like no, no, not really.
We'll go to like where gamers are and it's like okay, well you're
going there, but no one seems to care or wants you there. It
seems like inviting them to your party would have been the better strategy, and
instead you're kind of like holding the sad party, and like the the invites
are about as inviting as that advertising tweet for a hellblay two. God,
that's such a bad too. We see like they have like a real like
tweet today like almost seemed like they're like, oh oops, do you think
that was because like they were also sad, we can't like seem excited about
anything. Okay, So I have a little insight on this because Nikki was
talking about this and they said they've interviewed with the Xbox Social team before,
and what they say is sound like. All I'll say is, it's not
surprising to me that tweets like that come out. Apparently there's a lot of
needing to get approval on things, and sometimes they just go extremely safe out
is what sounds like. All right, Next up from a K again,
who's responding to the super chest that we already answered. That's how many super
chests we got tonight? Everybody so much. We're giving you money when I
wasn't here. I still can't. Don't worry. Mikey gets taken care.
Don't worry. Also, am I going to afford all these extravagant skating sessions
where I hurt myself? I heard that's how I hurt my wrist too,
was skating, Mike a bad mistake. The only time I've ever broken my
wrist falling down skating. So anyways, Ak says, oh god, it's
scrolling because we got more. I've already got a PC. Just really hate
using Windows. I know, surprise, since I like the series X deck
is nice streaming to the series. Streaming the series X two deck with green
light rules green Light, huh, I I don't think I've used that.
I guess Moonlight for Xbox like, because Xbox does have their own streaming things.
I assume yeah, that's a third party like chiacky like look, oh,
break breaking news, breaking news by my quack shot speed run has approved.
It's been approved. Number are you? I am ranked thirty three in
the world quack shot everybody. I am an official quack Shot speed Runner did
everybody until You'll be done? But quite a while. His run is pretty
good. Actually, I was watching it, Well, how far up is
he? Dan is like sixteenth on me? Look, yeah, sixteen,
he is sixteen. Okay, he's got seven, like seven or six minutes
on me right now? Okay, okay, so it's gonna be even funnier
when I just sneak my way in there. All right back to it then
from Annie for pres check out Cryptomaster, another excellent indie game to add to
the podcast. Yeah, I saw this. It looks really cool. It's
kind of like monochrome survival, horror first person looking thing. I don't know,
it's got a lot going on. I want to check it out.
There's so many games right now again freaking games, dude. I absolutely have
to check out Animal Well because like people are really buzzing. Sorry, the
digital fart happened again. We got to figure out what this is. Okay,
Okay, this goes. It might be a MIC I don't know,
and then it might be something's dying here. I mean, I'm gonna switch
out my xceler cable go ahead and my finish your story. I was like,
what did I say? Because you both like, I was like,
I just said I wanted to play Animal Well, whoa, you can't say
that? Yeah, damn, but but I really want to play a crow
Country Like yeah, so good and are so goddamn good. You know,
I'm such a mark for that stuff and they nailed it. Yeah, I
need it. I need it, dude, dude, I'll talk about this
at the end of the show. I figured out how to get a CRT
Royal working as a reshade filter. No, I'm gonna use it on over
this weekend, buddy, I don't know what what do you? Okay,
Yeah, always fantastic. Yeah, make that PS one game look real.
Yeah. You know, what kind of monitor do you have? Like you
have a four K or do you fourteen forty P? What send? Right
next to me? Here is this big, beautiful lg oled Oh okay,
that's gonna look real good on that. Okay, I've already tried a couple
of things again I'll talk about later, but yeah, it's good stuff.
It's good stuff from Burrito Jeff and Mike. What the hell? What's the
deal with grown men in their forties aka Jeff and Mike skating slash rollerblading and
eating shit? It hurts bad enough when young. Also side note, I
recently completed my first run of BG three at two hundred and sixty hours.
Damn. Maybe my Person of five numbers look great, chump change. It's
impressive because, like I beat botus Gate three, I didn't do everything.
If I mixed, missed out on some stuff. You know, my playthrough
was seventy five hours. It's like, man, somebody could play that game
and beat it and played for like over three times as much or whatever.
Wild why did you beat it? I did beat it. Beat it.
I knew it was coming I knew it was coming, uh from Alex.
I've never played a Fire Emblem game. What's the best one I could play
right now that maybe no one would have noticed if I played it for free.
Which one's the best one with the best fim boys? Oh that's that's
the newest one. Okay, yeah, but I think three Houses is definitely
the yeah price, so the one to go with. Yeah, yeah,
the only negatives like that, slightly kind of muddier like it, but no
feet Oh no, no, no no, I've been Awakening, you know
what. That's I was my brain. It's the best one, but yeah,
it's not as exciting. Yeah, so have you got three days laying
around or well, if you're looking to play it for well they said we're
going to play for free, so I assume that these things play Awakening.
There you go from Ecto coolest. Any chance banjo is still a thing given
Microsoft's heart harsh cuts. I don't know, I mean his banjo. Yeah,
we've been asking his banjo of things like remember remember these this were happening.
We're like, oh wow, maybe like they're going to bring back franchises
like hex in asshole. I remember that Hexan shirt that he is just wearing
apparently was just wearing for fun. Yeah, L grug in an attempt to
ask a more lighthearted question, was the deal with super Fly Johnson and Dai
Kitana? Does he exist just to anger Jeff? I'm not one who yeah,
like like this is not an abnormal thing. No one likes like accompanying
NPC characters through levels. But I really don't like it. I really hate
it. And the idea that this whole game now is going to be that
is, Oh, it's going to get better. I don't think it's going
to get better for me. I mean that was supposed to be the whole
selling point, Like that was supposed to be the big tech show piece of
the game. Was he was the companion AI, right, And apparently it
was like breaking on early on it was something they could were like really struggling
to figure out, but they already promised it, so they had to do
it. Something Romero was very guilty of on at ID was going online and
talking with fans and like being like, Yep, this is gonna be the
biggest shit ever. Here's all this stuff we're doing in Karen shut up.
Yeah, except he would actually feel abligade to have that stuff in the game,
right, yes, totally, Uh, Brandon Bishop, I'm loving Hades
too, but man is a heart to get excited about gaming right now,
It's no longer enough to just make a great video game. It sucks and
I'll say, hey, you found Hades too again, we'll talk about more.
That's the future gaming right there. Play play play your indies, play
play your games to from the future. As Jeff put the exactly, Yes,
that's a great sweet games from the Future gets from the past. Those
are good. I don't know. Uh. From the uncharreed Wolf, Mike
is doing the thing he hates on Christian for right now. Christian Mike's the
marquee picture here. Look, he's thinking up most of the big frame for
a reason. I'm sorry, you want Christian to come in and make a
nine to eleven joke? Is that what you really want? We've got enough
of those. Actually from Connell Wood, what species from Zelda? Would you
all be Goron's human bird people? Fair? I'm glad we said answered,
I want to be a bird person. Yeah, but you are the most
gore ass motherfucker. I don't want that for a compliment. You're like,
you're you look like tough, like rock I know, but I want to
be a bird. You can roll around like Smon. I want to fly
away. You want to live on a mountain, all right Forrest Gump Uh
Jesus from Jacob Bench Mike hype up Chrono Trigger context. Here a Bench is
playing Chrono Trigger for the first time. Yeah, Trigger is still won the
best jargees ever. It's kind of the It's always it's like the Hollywood blockbuster
of JRPGs. It's very fast paced and has all the stuff that you want
and it all comes at you real quick or something exciting constantly happening. It's
simple in ways, but all of it is executed so well. It just
feels very premium, even today with being older. Obviously one of the best
sound tracks of all time, when the prettiest Super Nintendo games Crena Trigger is
was and always will be one of the best game experiences you can ever have.
I mentioned I mentioned that's one. I feel like Square Enix Blind Spots
a surprising one. I've never played all the way through Chrona Trigger before.
I have been watching. Eric van Allen has actually been doing play through for
Axle Blood God Twitch channel and I've been tuning into those streams here and there
and just sort of like watching and passing. And I haven't watched the recent
ones because I want to spoil it, because you know, it is an
RPG I want to play for myself. Yeah, I just that's just a
game I need to play. But again, there's so much to play right
now. And yeah, I guess I think we're all kind of like at
some point they're going to do some kind of re release or something with Krona
trigger, but you would think last one for now. Willow Davis, I
missed the world when I still had Mike's rest in it. How about this
hurt? It was weird because I was like, it hurt immediately. Then
I was like, oh, maybe it's okay. Then then it hurt too
much until I was driving and turning the wheels and oh that hurts. That's
weird. So mine hurt really bad, and I was like worried. Yeah,
that literally the exact same spot I was worried. H And then I
did wrap it up and like kept it compressed and kept it raised about my
heart for like about a day, and it just like kept it elevated and
it got better, really really fast. I was surprised how much how quickly
it healed. So I bet it's fine. I'll see how it feels in
the morning. I know that guy. It's the good. Yeah, very
If you're not having a lot of pain constantly, you're probably gonna be fine.
Yeah, I think it's fine. Mean, you know, like the
risk because I'm just old, like hurts more often than it usually does.
I sleep with a brace on it. Anyways, it's already you know all
that quack shine it right, all right? Yeah, I mean you're in
your forties now, you know, you two and a half sweet years left.
You gotta let me enjoy them, all right, Well that Jesus like
Jeff, I'll be practically dead. People will just like people just said,
shit, smell machines to my house and I'll just be grudgingly plug them in
and let you stop watching right now because it's not billing off, thankfully.
So oh we got we got will more here from Willow Davis. Mike could
still play black Club but can't beat it. Oh, I shouldn't know.
That's t M. I Oh, I know what you're about saying, that's
TM. I all right, Well, that doesn't for the super chests.
That's what it was. It was actually too much. It was yeah,
hey, you come at me. I warned you. I knew what was
doing. I knew this is what we get chat. Thanks a lot.
Anyways, thank you AJ. That was your like forty plus minutes of super
chats. Thank you so much. You glad I'm back. Yeah, thank
you everybody for those two but Chat's really appreciated. If we get anymore,
we will read those as well, so feel free to send those in.
Thank you for the over seven hundred people that are watching. We're gonna take
another quick break. We're gonna get set up for the second half of this
show. We'll get right back after the second half. How long have you
guys been going? Eh? I thought I was coming in at the tail
end. We just doted Mike and we're back. And what we're going to
talk about now is what we think gaming's going to look like in like five
years, so whatever the timeframe is, what it is. Uh, let's
you know, we've talked a lot about like what's happening right now with Xbox
sending you a little bit on PlayStation Nintendo in five years. Let's start with
you, Mike, what do you think gaming looks like, hmmm, I
don't want to be as crazy pessimistic as I am feeling in this moment.
Yes, I am concerned, though again the biggest thing that concerns me there's
multiple things, but just how much more expensive and longer games are taking to
make. And we see how that is disastrous for things like a suicide Squad,
but for just any studio, because it's like, okay, well,
if we're gonna put you on something like a Red Fall, like that's gonna
be the game you are working on now for eight years, and if it
doesn't hit, it is somebody gonna really pay for you to try again anymore.
And even Nintendo and you know they're they're like Q and A with investors,
like, yeah, we also expect our games to take longer and be
more expensive to make even there, and like that's a scary thought. Like
right now, it's great that we still get an Attendo games at a pretty
fast clip, a little slower this year for obvious reasons, but that like
hits up with the Nintendo too, that's scary. So if something doesn't happen
there, if everyone's just like, well, that's the way it is.
I guess they're gonna take longer and be more expensive. Then I'm pretty concerned
about the future of Triple A gaming. I think there's just gonna be more
retreating to a handful of games, and you'll get things like a great Thought
of six, maybe the last of US three, and big things like that.
Sure, even Capcom and Capcom'm doing great now, that's awesome. Nobody
a few people are bigger fan cap on me right now. But we're still
talking about infinite growth. They are going to eventually not be able to make
more money one year than the other. Like if something is going to peak
or change or just be different and they're going to have a bad year,
and then what that's it? All the past success doesn't matter anymore. So
there's a lot of challenges in that tripway space and in that traditional console space,
and it's very hard to see where that is, where it is five
years from now. It's hard to imagine it's in a great place. But
meanwhile, indias seem to be doing really well. And they're also just at
a spot now where an indie game doesn't mean only so many things anymore.
Right, an Hindi game could be almost any kind of game now and there
are gaps and indie games are filling them in, and I think indie games
are going to continue to do that. Yeah, Sean, you were when
we were like talking about alluding to this topic earlier. You're like, Hey,
we're going to talk about that when we set indie games. Do you
want to jump off on that point? I think Mike just really already says
up, good for it, because the more things inflate, the more we're
going to look to these very small teams. And you know, like Mike
said, indie can mean a lot of things. It really it's a stupid
title in general. But these teams of like even just one person or like
a small handful of people making something small on scope, and that's all they're
trying to do. They're not getting a ton of a feature creep obviously everyone
always does in their projects, but they can keep in check and they're going
to put this smaller thing out for somewhere in the like you know, eight
to twenty dollars range on Steam. Sometimes you'll get something that's a little more
premium, like your Hades that that's going to be more in the thirty dollars
range. But broadly speaking, these smaller games are going to be the things
that are more sustainable in the long run, because we don't have these massive
teams. Is trying to make something that's wildly unrealistic goals for their parent company,
for whoever they're working for. And I think that's that's going to be
a thing that sticks around more where we're wondering what is the next big game
from Xbox, from PlayStation, from whoever. But you'll always just be able
to look to Steam and see, Hey, this dope new PS one style
horror game or whatever just came out on Steam. We got another one of
those. Everyone can check out and have fun with her the weekend. I
think those are going to be more and more important. But the other thing
that I want to talk about was hardware, and I think this is something
that we're seeing all the platforms really outside of Nintendo, because fuck, five
years from now, ten years from now, twenty years from now, Nintendo,
good Nintendo. They're going to do whatever the hell they want and it
will probably be successful. They're almost out there. They will have their misses,
but they'll probably succeed in the end. Y, Yeah, they'll they'll
have They'll probably have a WEU situation again where they just completely misread the market.
But you know, I don't see that happening with this next system,
probably even after that. But when it comes to hardware in general, I
do think we are going to see PlayStation going more into PC gaming and maybe
leaning into the PC handheld or their own handheld in the future. I do.
I don't know if it would be their own handheld, but at least
like partnering in that way. Microsoft. You know, they're talk to a
lot of eight on them tonight, but they are moving in ways that I
think are smart, and moving into cloud based gaming and everything like that.
I know we're not the biggest fans of stuff like that, but if they
can start making it better, there is an audience for that. There is
a market for that who will just bust out their phone, play a game
that they can easily just access by paying for a subscription, mess around with
for an hour or whatever, and then get back to whatever they're doing.
There is a market for that. They just need to find the right the
right way to get out to those people. So I think we're going to
see things become more hardware agnostic as a whole. Doesn't mean that your box
is going away forever. Maybe we get to the point, probably not within
five years, but maybe starting to get into like the ten year even fifteen
year point where maybe consoles are boutique. Maybe they are something that is more
of a limited run thing, a PlayStation direct thing where you're a record player.
Yeah, it's maybe like a record player thing, right, like vinyl
where you know your your you know your console with your physical copies and all
that. That is a boutique thing. But everyone analog will become one of
the major creators of consoles, right maybe, yeah, maybe, who knows.
I I really like a lot of those points. And Mike, you
mean earlier mentioned earlier like, I don't want to be as pessimi pessimistic as
I feel in this moment. I think that that's a really good point,
because there's every chance in the world that in five years we're like, hey
man, remember how bad we were feeling about games a few years back,
and now look at this. A bunch of kids from gen Z woke up
one day and that they decided they want consoles, they want to try out
those games now. I hope that happens. That is one of my big
fears too. Really, it's just like none of them ever really adopt let
alone consoles, but just kind of like games outside of the Big five or
whatever. Yep. But I think there's a chance that they'll like get bored
of that stuff eventually and want to try doing different stuff. And if one
of these companies can stick it out to the point where they're waiting for that
audience, they could capitalize. I think that's what happened at the beginning of
the PS four generation, and it could happen again. That's like the positive
scenario I think, you know, the very realistic scenario is we are in
a long transition period of you know, we talked about infinite growth for making
money. We were in infinite growth for returns on technology for since the beginning
of making video games, and we did plateau on that in about twenty sixteen
and games just you know ten ADP sixty is not every game at that point,
but a lot of the games that looked about as good as anything else,
we're hitting that, hitting that mark at that time, and we just
don't need games that look that much better, and you know, the but
it's is before our very eyes. We got Red Dead, Redemption two in
what twenty eighteen, and no game really actually looks better than that, No
game really looks better than the Last of Us Part two from around the same
time, because the limiting factor is money. So I think what we are
what's happening right now. Part of what's happening is that we are learning that
games are not just technological marvels, and they aren't just things meant to wow
us with their graphics and fidelity, that there is more to them than that.
And you know, I think we know that, but there's a wider
audience that that's the expectation since the beginning, and so it's like it's taken
a long time to unlearn that. And I think the indie scene is beginning
to bubble in a way where people are like, oh, the Lotro,
that's an interesting idea. This is a game I'm going to play forever.
And I think there's there's a chance in like by five years from now,
like we are much more receptive to games coming out of anywhere and looking like
any sort of different take on games. And it's a lot more like the
music scene, where it's just like there's little pockets of diferent kinds of games
that people are playing and everyone is finding something that they like and not you
know, there are the GTA sixes that will blow up and be massive,
but the normal expectation is you're gonna find your audience and you're gonna play to
them, and you're gonna do really well and the occasionally there's going to be
a big hit, but you should be playing to an audience. And I
think we can get to that point and sort of reset the expectations for games,
and it's a world where these smaller teams can make that make sense.
That would be something that feels more sustainable long term. Now, when it
comes to Xbox, Sony, and Nintendo, I think that the the boutique
scenario seems likely for Microsoft. I think PlayStation will continue being like the consumer
electronics brand and Nintendo will continue to being the family brand. Whether or not
that's going to be satisfactory for any of those companies, I think Nintendo will
be able to make it work. But whether it like being the Hey,
we're going to appeal to people who really want the high end piece of machinery.
Over at Sony, they want more growth than that, and they might
be in a situation where they have to like to try some stuff and make
that that makes sense. I still don't know what that looks like. So
five years from now, I think we probably have a Microsoft that's putting out
games everywhere, and they have a box that has an Xbox name on it,
but it's like the equivalent like a Steam Machine or something like that,
something that looks like that, where it's just yeah, it's a PC.
You can put whatever you want on there. They call it the Xbox.
It costs a lot of money, but it runs games really well. And
then over at PlayStation they are doing the PlayStation six and it's mostly what we
expect. And then in terms of just everything else, I feel like this
industry has got a lot of figuring out when it comes to the next form
of business model to make them money, and I think they're going to keep
floundering on that. I don't think there is any obvious answer there. I
think it is making a cool, new interesting game that will be the answer,
not some new way to monetize us. And I think that's going to
take them a long time to figure out. That's not something they want to
be doing over and over again as well. So sometimes forget just how young
this industry still is, yes, and I think it kind of had felt
the same and had the same players for such a long time that maybe you
can't ticket for granted that's always going to be that way. So maybe,
you know, maybe it is finally really going to change soon, and maybe
it's gonna change in a way that like some people like me aren't gonna like.
But uh but who knows, And maybe it'll change a ways that other
people like you know, these younger generations do like. And that's fine,
right, that's life, right. I think we'll find a way to like,
we'll find our way in gaming, Like I'm not playing, say,
there will be games for me to play like old and new. It'll be
fine. But yeah, like that traditional you know, that's kind of what
I was getting at, Like maybe PlayStation Xbox aren't the future of gaming like
you know, for so long for me that that was synonymous with gaming,
which you talked about VA games, you mostly meant playing things on a PlayStation
or an Xbox, and I don't I don't think that's really going to be
true, though we brought a couple times earlier in the show, because it
is emblemaca where things are going. If even someone like you who you know,
maybe itself and midlely Eve a little stuf burn about is like, no,
this this is the way things are. This is the way things will
always be, sort of seeing, Nah, change is coming and maybe it
looks ugly for me, maybe it looks ugly for everyone, but change is
coming, and I think every everyone will have something to play, you know,
even if, like like you said, different generations are in different things.
We're a little bit further apart. So I'm into some things that you
guys aren't. Like, I have a bigger tendency not a lot, but
I do have it at a higher tendency to play mobile games and stuff like
that, or newer ips that I grew up with, and I think there's
gonna be those. There's gonna be the old eyep sticking around that you guys
are more interested in, and there's gonna be the live sort of stuff.
I think it's just how much of each we see is gonna change. When
Jeff brought up the indie thing again of what development looks like on that,
I didn't realize. I want to say before we move on here, that
I forget what the name of the game is, so forgiving there. But
it was one of those like one person or small teams steam games that came
out and it was a horror game. But it's me an Unreal Engine five
and they were very smart with it where they used a VCR you know VHS
tape filter over everything just gently and just a little bit of obfuscation, just
like sort of hiding everything. Made this Unreal Engine five game look like real
life. It is the rain in Jurassic Park one. I like that.
Yeah, Like, if you're smart with the tech that you have on hand,
you make something look really good. I think that's that's going to have
to be what we see more of going for because if, like again,
one person or a small team can make something that looks photo realistic because they
are given the tools to do so and they are smart with how they use
them, I think we're gonna need more than Orphus to stay sustainable. Here's
here's my final prediction. Donkey will be the President of Video Games and fucking
yeah he deserves it. Yep, it finally happened. Also, I think
my mic is dying as what it is. Yeah, that's what it seems
like. Yep, we'll figure it out. I'm going to restart everything,
plug everything back in, and I'm plug it after the show. Make it
work, all right. We got some one sentence responses from our podcast producers
about what they think the future looks like. Nick Turbo says, Chinese handhelds
for all I'm trying to read this. Just make sure you line up,
sure, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta look the other
way. They're perfect, perfect, all right, and then let's see here.
Uh. Vince jac says it'll be fine. I don't think we should
really fear for the end of gaming. Yeah, not the end of gaming.
Maybe the end of gaming as we know it, but that's, you
know, different than the gaming has always been changing. The gaming as we
know it has ended several times arcades are dead, right, like this has
happened over and over again. The host portal says pretty rough, Steam and
indeed most likely are the most likely games leading the way. Yeah, I
mean, I think that's definitely like the way I feel because and like I've
always said in Indians, like early access on Steam feels like that's where anything
can happen, and not anything feels like it can happen on these other consoles.
Uh. The rebirth rebirth Wolf five says, I don't care as long
as from Soft Nintendo are still making games. I think you like read along
with the sentence there. Wow that was pretty good. Yeah, that's really
good. Yeah. I mean a lot of people's favorite developers aren't gonna be
going anywhere, right, Well, I mean, what's upon a time?
I thought that, Uh, I thought that the Arkhama Asylum people Rock Steady
would have been pretty safe for a long time. Today everyone's real worried about
them. Things change, things can change, yep, Okay, yeah,
I mean if no, they're gonna be rough forever because they're doing great right
now. Never mind, you're you're right though, you're right, you definitely
are. Jackie G says old Man yells at cloud. Well that's the name
of the show. Are you talking about? Casual says I think we as
a society will revert to an egg based economy. Yeah times even yes,
even Genesis fairly similar to how it is literally right now, sparse releases,
same old free to play model games making all the money, and Nintendo being
the last true holdout of the of the ways of old. Yeah, I
think maybe five years ago, in a lot of ways could feel like,
that's not too far away, and things will probably be mostly the same,
maybe like ten years, just the one where it's like, hey, that
could be anything at that point, but we'll see, screaming Maddens is the
Nintendo will be fine, whereas Madden will carry the PS six and Xbox seven
to twenty. These should just eventually do an Xbox seven to twenty, right
if they're gonna stick keep making hardware. I mean, what's the last Xbox
people feel real good about? Huh? Why not? Paul Giamatti says less
meaningful gap between mobile and console tech, with more games scaling for mobile as
a priority and consoles as a more niche cross play slash save option. Yeah,
I mean we do see that. We'll see this with iPhone. More
and more games are just working with that because they can just work with Apple
devices across the board. Right now, you got fifteen pro all just straight
up play PS four level games, and I think you know as that trickles
down to the lower models and future models, mobile game is going to get
better as an option, especially if you slap a backbone on that sucker chift.
Do you saw, Speaking of mobile, do you see that new I
neil DS that has like a deeducated poor for like GPUs that you can connect.
That's kinna what. I don't know if I saw that one, but
I mean, I know there's ones that work with like e GPUs. Is
that what you mean? Yes, yeah, I don't know if I saw
the device, but yeah, I know they are capable of doing that for
sure. Velocity Prime one says, honestly, Xbox is mostly a third party
publisher. Sony still has that console but is shifting the PC, and Nintendo
stands firm as the console manufacturer. Always be clothing slash cork. He says,
welcome to Hell and has Prince's Peach in Hell. Joy Z says,
past peach. Yeah, you know you're look at that. Okay, I'm
coming. I'm not put my eyes right under her dress. Joyce says,
I honestly don't feel the industry at large has changed much in the last ten
years or so, so I don't think it would look meaningfully different. Yeah,
like, what what was ten years ago? Twenty fourteen? I don't
know. I've heard a launch of PS four. Yeah, that felt like
okay, maybe that was a false bravado, but that felt like man everything
is going to console gaming's way in that moment, because we thought it was
going away, because we because it was like, oh, everybody said mobile
is going to kill this, and look how many people still play console games.
Guess they were wrong. So there's a little bit of a swagger there.
But you know, mobile never really went away, and then they started
putting things like Fortnit's on mobile. Some kids weren't just playing like you know,
you know, Candy crush Er, you know birds right, so they
were playing like a game that they could actually play forever and be their only
game on there. So that became a pre weeze. Man says, dudes,
I really hope Switch two have keeps having as many weird indies as its
predecesssor I think indie games will keep coming out like mad on the Switch too,
because they sell really well on the Switch. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Jamie h. Christmas Eve says one Epic will try and fail to launch a
handheld PC. Tim Sweeney will somehow playing Apple to Mike will have a run
at a g DQ and three Scary Jeff will Stressful still be escorting super Fly
Johnson through Dai Katana. Yeah, five years Terry Yaki Blue says, hopefully
jobs are more secure, and that feels like that'll never happen. That's like
the thing where're like, yeah, or at least right. Mister Buller says,
Google Stadia first launched almost five years ago, so I'll predict that we'll
have another non gaming company make an ill conceived attempt at entering the market before
quickly shutting it down. Yeah, that was another thing from like ten to
five years ago, Like Amazon and Google felt like that, all right,
we're coming in, everyone, get ready, And now that feels like laughable
because they know how difficult that would be. They both like kind of learn
their lesson the hard way. Freedom of Liberty Ball says Xbox will be the
call of duty only platform. Yeah, but it can't because people just play
it on PlayStations. So then there just won't be an Xbox if that's what
they want. Tried. I know they're joking, but you know, like
that can't be the strategy. Nope, I mean it can be if they
don't care if there's not an Xbox, though, I mean no, the
next Xbox is gonna be the biggest generational leap ever. Yeah, that's right.
They do say that Symbiosis says Sony's proposed for ray into live service games
surprise doesn't pan out. It's working well well for hell Divers too, although
I bet that's going to be difficult to replicate. It's going to be difficult
to replicate. But like, I mean more again, I asked them for
okay holds giant success. How many more of those do they need? Because
getting one seems like a miracle. So if they have three of those,
are they just now? And when you say it like that, it's like,
well, we got it everybody, so uh, you don't need to
work on yours anymore. It's like, no, oh fuck that suck.
Cass Bucker says multiple indie games will regularly make it into the big game of
the year and top ten sales chart. Yeah, I think you guys were
getting to this earlier. The like sort of line of demarcation between indie games
and Triple A games will get blurrier and blurrier, Like it's gonna be like,
yeah, this is photo realistic. This looks just as good as anything
else. The tools will be there in a lot of ways, So I
agree with them. Obert says, I think we are primed for two to
three of the forever games falling off big time to be replaced, replaced by
fresh trends. My money is on Microsoft fumbling Call of Duty somehow. Yeah,
incredible, these games will I mean it feels right now the last,
the last forever, but they won't. There will be a time when these
things do get replaced, right Yeah, And it's like part of me feels
like, oh, I don't want to celebrate that. No, but it
would also kind of be a good thing. Well. I mean, I've
been playing manner Lords. You gotta leave some ground fallow for a year,
like sometimes you need to like rotate your crops right like or else you get
a dust boll. I mean that, honestly, I think that's some pretty
good metaphor. I think how counter Strike, Yes, what I about to
say, like count Strike has to be in the same video game for the
last for sure. I think the select few will stick around and have their
audience like your Fortnits. But yeah, but I don't think like I think
the idea is that, like counter Strikes, success never seemed like it was
sucking the oxygen out of the room, even at its highest point. Yeah,
and all I think that the getting Call of Duty and other things happening
during that. Yeah, right, and I think that these the biggest games
sort of do having that effect. I think that will fall off the other
Yeah, Fortnite's not gonna go away. Minecraft's not gonna go away. I
don't know. Can robots like Everyone's peoples nobody keep bringing in new kids Aroust
of two thousand and six, so they definitely an bring in new kids.
It's effectively just a tool set, so if a better tool set comes along,
then it will get replaced. Anything anything look is going to be bigger
because people's making games and road looks now they even show it in that and
whatever presentation that happens, like a couple on some show taste. Yeah,
yeah, cut you off, fine, Christian, please feel free to speak.
My friend Jedi Moss for says you. Also, you all will still
be waiting on those Zelda ports and Nintendo will still never release them. Son
of a bitch. I mean, it's been like longer now since the release
of the WIU version than it was between the original release of wind Waker and
that WIU version. That's weird. My least favored factoids. Just I hate
that so much. This is from what I said earlier. You don't have
to read it. Also, yeah, skip it. It's more. I
know. I was like a hot shot, like I can make mind slightly
longer because I'm important around well, Lenny Cool Dick Denver came in and uh
and got it right with no new F zero game, that's all possibility.
Yeah, like very likely. Vander Lyle says Xbox past Capcom one hundred billion
to make dan Hibiki an Xbox exclusive street Fighter seven character. I want while
you're smoking billion, It's nowhere near enough, is it? By? Is
this that Dan? Is that Dan's last name? Bicky? Yeah? DANKI
yeah, I don't know a last name. It's yeah, He's just He's
just Dan, all right? Where am I at? Bob's too? Like
its in hades two. I don't really think that's Bob. Why would it
be bop all of a sudden, I don't just like the way that the
ease makes it sound in my head bomb Bobby too. It's like it really
threw me off. I don't really think much will change. Sol Throat a
fun one Apple Bye, Sody the PlayStation brand, Slash the PlayStation brand.
Sure, why not? Mason's underscore w says, I feel Nintendo and Steam
will be fine, but Microsoft will be a majority third party and Sony will
make a fewer Triple A games and double down on live services. Dr Ryan
says, I honestly don't know, and trying to think of an answer for
this made me really bummed. I don't want video games to go bad.
I've been playing them since I was five, and I don't want to stop.
And again, I think we're gonna find stuff to enjoy. It's just
I do think maybe it would benefit us to like looking places we haven't before.
That's all Finder Joy elsewhere exactly. Yeah, get an Amiko, get
an Amiko, Let Tommy just show you the world, or get the new
Roger. Ally they're going to announce tomorrow, right, Yes, I was
wondering if someone's gonna bring up that up as a super chat. If not,
we'll talk about it here in a second. Nolan Water says new game
consoles will be released every few years, similar to phones with incremental updates.
Do you think that that's an idea could still work? It's I mean,
if you're already having a trouble selling consoles, I don't know, selling more
of them more often. I mean, maybe it's a matter of taking advantage
of the crowd. You know you have and you know that they would maybe
great that often. Maybe, like I said earlier, like I think maybe
Xbox just go all in on making real high end stuff and making a really
expensive game console. I don't know if you could do that every like two
years, if you're gonna go that route though, Yeah, I think dedicated
consoles will never do their home consoles at least, but we're gonna see more
Steam Deck like stuff moving forward. I think those are things that I'll have
more work well, like Rock Ally, right, like the original Rock Allies
not that old. They're not like a new one tomorrow, a couple of
years between them. Like yeah, yeah, it's gonna have the same process
or and the same screen. It's gonna have a bigger battery. It's basically
doing with the Steam Deck O Leed, just without the O lead. Yeah.
I mean, honestly, it's not that much number because the only thing
that the Roger Ally really needs other than a better version of Windows is a
bigger battery. Like that's that's huge for that thing. That'll make it much
more useable. All right, Where am I at? Here, I think
with Hammett of Texas, I choose correctly as a kid when I decided to
become a PC gamer. PC was the best choice then and will continue to
be the best choice in five years. Yeah. I mean, I'm never
going to regret the time I've spent with consoles, but I am mostly a
PC gamer at this point, and it does feel like that is a safe
platform due to its openness, just openness making it sort of be like,
feel like it can weather whatever comes and gets thrown at it. Yeah,
every once in a while I have good calls, actually quite frequently because just
as ianalyze sit so much. But dude, two of my favorites are one
I called Fortnite, but no one believed in that shit. But two back
in twenty thirteen, me and my friends were going into college and they were
asking me these new consoles. What do I get? Do I get the
PS four? Do I get the Xbus one? I said, neither.
We all build gaming PCs, And it was the best decision my friend group
ever made. Yeah. Yeah, sure, I made that decision. Like
a couple of years after that, I'm like, I learned the hard way
after trying to enjoy those consoles. Uh, Jerry Bipps is game Freak buys
Square Enix. Uh yeah, sure, but like that's not sensical. Knee
deep in blood and guts says the console space will have collapsed, leaving Tommy
tall Rico with a perfect opportunity to rebuild it in his I already made in
a Mico joke. Do you know he was in Creeves twice? Oh yeah,
he was in Cribs twice. He was very proud. Yeah. I
do like the idea of a gaming future that like where Tommy tall Rico is
just the Biff Tannin with the book of like you could see that sports Yeah,
the Sports Almanac. Yeah, that's that's very good. Dominal Crossings.
I'm sorry, sorry is that to say it? I really like back to
the future. We we down and it's been like mostly unsolid compared to a
lot of other things. I'm sure us so hot man. I think they
did a legacy sequel to that, now that'd be a bummer. Uh do
Middle Crosses as Metro Prime four will probably be be out knocks on wood.
Let's not get crazy your legacy sequels. How about that Galum movie? Yeah,
what are they doing there? That's well. If it's called The Hunt
for Gollum, I assume it's the story of Eric Gorn slash Strider hunting for
Gollum, which okay, yeah, the whole movie of that. Wow,
No, you do a whole trilogy. I mean, you're not going to
get Vigo, are they? Vigo's gotta be Does Vigo look old yet?
I don't know. It's the corner. Yeah, why did they hunting in
column? Because it's literally so it literally happens in the books after Gallam is
uh taken in by more door and is interrogated, then Strider hunts him down
so that they can interrogate Gallam themselves. Basically cool. Being directed by Andy
Serkis, who did another movie recently that wasn't very good, uh kroaching Boomer
which one wasn't very good. I can't remember the name of it, but
I remember he was like he directed a movie and he did like all the
press for it, and then I remember like reading that the reviews weren't very
good. I'd have to look it up. Crowdchi Boomer hit and Zoomer,
says a Captain Toad in every house, the true dream of Marx finally coming
to Fruition, two time champ bfamer says, I'll be the seven time champ.
Five Anything I say about Hack fifteen oh one said let them oh that's
right, Yeah, he wanted them too. That's right. He's let there
be carnage. He let he let there be carnage. And and that's that
was his contribution to art. What you say it's about movie China disagrees with
you. Okay, we kind of don't care what there is about to be
huge in China. Hacked fifteen oh one says they will be tell them about
the Easterly. Well, that's not a reference to the to that's no little
boy, Hacked fifty oh one. Since there will be fewer Triple A and
Double A as the buyouts will end in more closures, but more smaller studios
will pop up, the B game debs will continue to suffer. Yeah,
I mean, I think if you are trying to be a big company making
small games, that's gonna be a difficult thing to pull off. Despite what
Matt Booty says, Although you know, I do. I want them to
figure that out, but I don't know, right, Like, I'm so
glad Ubisoft made uh you know, Prince of Persia and the other Prince of
Persia that's coming out. It it seems like maybe they aren't being big hits
and it's it's upsetting. Uh, And I don't know why that is the
case. I don't know how you fix that problem. And maybe the problem
is even though hey, you're a big company, you're making smaller games.
That's great, but your expectations for them are still kind of big, right,
Like I bet Print the Prison Lost Crown still sells so better than pretty
much every indie Metroid VNA outside of like a hollow night, right, but
is that good enough? I don't know. That doesn't seem like him see
low Rules says Sony and Xbox will make two games a year that are blockbuster
style games, and Nintendo will still be making a ton of wacky games.
I hope, so Team money Og says switch To will be the top selling
console. Sony will be releasing more games on PC day and day, and
Microsoft will release only Call of Duty and one other triple A game per year
at most. I mean it does. I mean there was that like,
hey, we're gonna have a game of Quarter and that even that feels like
are you ever going to really get to that point now, because it doesn't
seem like that's your interest anymore. H Adam GC says hopefully more publishers acting
like Sega of all companies, doubling down on stuff like jet Set Radio,
Golden Acts, et cetera, to fill in the gaps between Triple A.
I thought that was the super game jet Set Radio. Yeah, they still
have the super games coming. Yeah, that's I hope that strategy works out
for Sega. I'm yeah part of it, like I really want it to.
Yeah, there's that part of me. It's like, look, I'm
excited for Streider. I got. I hope other people are, like,
you know again, like, yeah they have what lizard Cube I think is
making that Strider game. It looks amazing. I should know, but yeah,
should no be excuse me. I got my sixteen bit Ninjas mixed up.
But it's like, oh, man, if you like, is this
really gonna do much better than the Prince of Persia game, I don't know.
Maybe not, but it also doesn't have to, you know, maybe,
well it doesn't have to. Again, it's all about their expectations if
they're okay with exactly like I better have little expectations for their weird Golden Ax
game that they're sure. You know, we talked about diffence between Western Japanese
developers and publishers early in the show, and that is one of the differences
as well. It's just the expectations over all. These I think they scope
at lower, so smaller, right, I mean obviously screenx is the poster
child for terrible expectations, but outside of them, it seems like these other
companies can keep the scope lower. I don't know what I'm expecting for them
in terms of, like, dude, sake, I think I think it's
a success. I just hope those games are actually high quality. I would
that's what I want from you. And if you know you can get,
you get stuff like art system work celebrating when one they're fighting games sells over
a million copies because they're like this is crazy, how insane this is,
whereas one million for so many Western companies would be a total waste of time.
Yes, uh, let's see here, zoommrs. I believe is yeah,
gaming on the go and multi platform games will be the things that thrive.
Plus wider adoption of VR compared to now Yeah, I mean would be
have VR. I don't think. I just don't know if that's VAR.
I don't know about VR. I mean, look, Apple did the Vision
Pro and no one cares about that. So I was also like, eleven
hundred dollars, No, a lot higher. Keep going higher, Mike,
what's the price, you thigures? I keep going no, yes, yes,
yes, yes, two hundred hot higher. You're still really far away.
Thousand dollars bingo, No, it's it's thirty five hundred. I thought
it was thirty five hundred. I'm pretty sure it's three k okay either way,
what the hell for? What's basically a better quest three? Some real
good porn on there? Hundred? Yeah, the block on porn work on
there? They blocked it. You can't. It's for work on them?
Oh god, it does. It does not function with the like the API
s or whatever the protocols. I believe. It just doesn't have a video
player, is what right? It doesn't have the accurate kind of video you
need to use, like their approved apps or something. A left hand joke
like like a Dylan Infinite Wealth says Mike is elected King of Gaming. No,
that's for Dunky. Yeah, I already said that, Donkey I'm sorry,
I'll be emperor. Yeah, there you go. Tommy Pencil says Nintendo,
Capcom from soft and indies will be fine. God help the rest of
the industry input name here, says Minecraft two. God is that something they
eventually do Minecraft two? It can't work. You'll like all these other things
you try to do with too, like yeah, the big hit. It'll
be like Kerbal Space program too. Yeah, like ever quit that's a whole
that's a whole thing. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's
ever a Minecraft. No. What if they have like a huge update and
they call to Minecraft to like counter strike to is culture Strike too? But
I mean that's what overwatched two was, And if they need to do that,
they it's it's kind of fucking simple and blows my goddamn mind that they
don't do. Is you need to call it two point zero? Yeah too,
because then people can continue just calling it, you know, just Minecraft.
But if it's the two point zero update, you make a big deal
of it, but still Minecraft, you know. Yep, that's that's true.
H J D Camp says me, and motover will retire. What do
you say five years from now? Mimoto is fully retired. I mean,
I think his responsibilities will continue to become less and less. Uh, He'll
he'll be like an ambassador. You won't have like that title, which is
like a real honorary thing when you become an ambassador. But that's a lot
of what he'll be doing is you know, he'll be working on the cross
media stuff a lot. He'll be showing up for openings and premieres and pictures
and and things like that. I think he's going to be less in the
trenches of game development. Yep, fud Sex says will be introduced to qu
quintuple A games. It's just yeah, it's only a matter of time now.
It is incredible. And of course the one game like Xbox is throwing
the quadruple A thing around for is the one that sounds like is in big
trouble. Yeah, big trouble, trouble. It's in trouble. Like I
mean, like I was saying when I talked about that, that's a lot
of games are in trouble during development. Maybe more one was famous, right
yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like that last minute, right, so
who knows? Who knows? Uh, let's see here from Breadfish Gabe Nowell
will have died, but Robin Walker will have taken over Valve and promises Half
Life three incoming any day now, okay yeah? Uh Valve and Steam is
like a question right because it's privately owned and Gabe Nowel does die one day,
I don't know, five years from now. That's that seems soon.
That seems soon. But he dies one day, It's like, man,
what happens to Steam? Then? No way? I continue to wonder if
like it's Microsoft biding their time until they can make the move, then I
think would stop them? Yeah, I mean I do worry, like once
it, once you know that happens, then who her own? Steam?
Will just make it public so you can make that always go public? The
same problem we have everywhere Wellen, all of a sudden there's the shareholders it.
You know, nobody's who made their money guessing that iPhones would be popular
twenty years ago. Who now get to decide what we're going to do with
Half Life? Sounds great? Who gets thought? Who gets who hits?
The knives? Were breaking in and stealing? Yeah, that's the heist,
that's what we're doing. I don't forget how terrified I was when I was
late to the freaking uh of what was their card game artifict it The day
I was late to us, I couldn't find their office and I walked into
the room and it's just Gabe Nowle in the middle of like giving a presentation
to like six people. I just, oh, I was doing this,
take my seat. Yeah, I thought you're gonna say, gave Nowel is
there with a whetstone where you've been, buddy? Look, your office was
very difficult to find. I can't understand why. They probably don't really want
to, like vow come here. Yeah, no, let's see here Vision
forty nine. It feels like it has already started. But there's going to
be some of reckoning with Forever Games ability to cannibalize future projects, even if
players sentiment towards them is poor. It's increasingly tough to compete with free Yeah.
I think these companies do need to figure out something where it's like,
yes, these games are big and they're free, and they are good at
making a lot of money, but at a certain point they do feel like
they like make it more difficult for the industry to grow overall, and the
games get so big and intimidating, maybe they don't attract gamers the way they
once did. I don't know. Yeah, it is kind of silly that,
like, I'm sure we thought this would be an issue, but we
never really like seem that worried about like well, hey, if everybody plays
Fortnite forever, like like, aren't less people gonna buy other games? I
was like, ah, no, it'll be more. You know, people
would always throw that out those the game pass things like are people gonna buy
this game less if it's on game Pass? To be like, actually,
they're gonna buy it even more than they would before. It's like, well
that seems counterintuitive. I don't know if I believe that. Yeah, I
think there's other issues here at play, because like mijo Yo keeps putting out
new games. They don't have to, but they do. They could you
know, they could ride Gensch and they could ride whatever, but they put
out star Rail, they're playing out ZZZ. You can have these like service
oriented games and still have new projects. But what do they keep doing.
They keep playing out free service based games. So maybe it's like the monetization
on and all this stuff change. Well, I mean maybe, but maybe
that is the right path where It's like there is a certain player that just
wants to play through some content and then they're done with the game, and
build your game to be to serve that player, and then also build the
game to serve the player that wants to just play that one game for forever,
and they can do that, and then that other player can move on
to your next game, and then next game they might they might have figured
out there, you know. That's why I try to emphasize like because you
can play those games it's just a single player you know, open world adventure
games or a turn based persona style RPG, but you can also yeah,
get get into the like collect your wife, wos or whatever stuff for the
people who like that free to play stuff. They're kind of servicing both audiences
there. I think that's why they're finding success. Like we said a lot
through this episode, things are just changing. Uh. Nick says Bilatro cinematic
universe that seems inevitable. Willow Davis says everything will be played within Mark Zuckerberg's
metaverse and they will remove human avatars in favor of furries only furries. Let's
is that still happening? We should we should go check it out. We
should. We should all go into the Facebook metaverse. Yeah they really like
Are they really like, yeah, that's gonna take off? Yes? Absolutely,
I know they were like that. Are they still liked? God,
we should we should go. I got a met aquister. Let's go check
that out for Giant. U B says will be mostly run by indie games,
with only a handful of Triple A games per year per year, along
with one quadruple A game like every ten years, like Skull and Bones.
I still I still can believe Scots came out this year because again, like
other kids came out, and they seemed like so notable and missing the mark
that we can't stop talking about them, Like Suicide Squad. Nobody even wants
to talk about Skull and Bones, and I I really can't believe Gimmel said
with his human mouth that that game was quadruple A. He really said that
a month before it came out, like well after, like you should have
had any chance, right, yeah, wow, and only met by it
actually was that it's a live service game. That was reasoning, I think,
I think, And also that it took a long time to make right,
It's like, oh, this game took ten years to make. So
that makes a quad a oh okay, uh Clink says Nintendo's next console will
be successful, but not nearly as well as the original switch. I do
worry about that three DS effect for the three DS was a success, not
nearly as successful as the DS though, right, yep. I think as
long as they're able to make keep their profits pretty steady, they'll be fine.
They'll be happy with it all. Yeah, in general, like whenever
there is the direct sequel, like any s Super Nintendo, we do we
you ds a three DS, even game Boy to game Boy Advance. I'm
not as sure about that, but generally oh no, yeah, yeah,
the sequel does not do quite as well as the original, but so they
can maintain three DS, that would be okay because three DS still sold insanely
better than most consoles. It we still have like eighty millionaires on that's a
great number. That's a great number. But again, just the way everything
is, no, it's line's got to go up right to do it?
Do like, I'd be happy, trusty, I wouldn't really like, you
know, I want to sit here like I'm enjoying this less because it's not
selling as well as the less console, But I don't know how investors will
react to that. I think Nintendo knows this, and I think they're like,
we're still going to do it because we're going to take that time to
figure out what's next after that, and in the meantime we will diversify with
more parks and more movies and things like that. That's why they're reception out.
But also when you are an independent entity who has insane amounts of money
in bank, the shareholders are relatively happy because they know your companies right,
and THETENDO is lucky on that front that they seem to have more patient or
reasonable shareholders and all other companies met Lawrence's GameCube has just hit NSO and the
world is healing, and that's their optimistic take. Yeah, I do.
Man, am like, are there any other consoles coming to the NSO,
because maybe something Sega, but there hasn't been a Genesis game adding in forever,
so something's kind of gone cold there. I still just don't know if
we ever see GameCube on there for whatever reason, So like, maybe maybe
we'll get typographics and I'll be happy and everyone will call me a boomer,
A happy boomer. Freshly stream game says there will not be a Viva Pinata
revival. Man, Yeah, I don't think so either. No, yeah,
probably not. There was a time where I'm like, yeah, they'll
get to that eventually. I don't feel that way right now. Tink says
indie games as far as the eye can see, that's how it feels already.
So yeah, it would have been sabe. Maybe in five years silk
Song will be out. Maybe. All right, that does it for the
podcast producers input. I think what we'll do now, let's take another break,
then we'll come back. We'll get the super chats talk about what we've
been playing right after this. All right, we're back and there are more
super chats, and Sean, I want you to read them. Awesome.
First up, we got Tino starts here. Mike Youbara recently made a tweet
that might be insineing Phil's hands might have been tied. Do you think the
Holy Trinity of Xbox, Phil, Bond, Booty, Jesus, we're overruled
by the one true King Satya Nadella. I think, like we said,
we talked about this earlier, I definitely think that there is increased scrutiny.
I don't think Satia Nadella came down and said, you have to do this.
I think it is the situation of they feel a little bit more pressure.
So now they are looking around and being like, we're gonna be the
big boys, So we're gonna put on our big boy pants and we're gonna
go do what needs to be done. And these I still think the are
all of their decisions. Yeah, sounds right to me. From the casual
newbe gamer, did Xbox close Tango because a Lee Hi Fi rush going third
party? And Microsoft want to send a message not to leak stuff to other
studios as example? Na, No, no, they no, they're not
that petty about leaks. I would know. Yeah. From Ali Miracle,
Uh, her submission for because she missed the thread. Uh, the Nintendo
PlayStations back the man, what would have to happen for that to take place?
Man, that would be amazing. Man. Yeah. From l Grugg
in five years, wore Christian have a webcam? I should do? You
said, no, we don't want that's shy. Yeah you don't want that.
Yeah, he's conservative about you know, you can't you can't show that
beautiful face model Tim own nobody all right? From the well a nine to
eleven jokes Christ name people are comfortable from signor bean. I bought a little
Caesar's han Re pizza to get the han Ready call of Duty calling card was
the dumbest real world product tie in thing you've ever bought. Oh God,
I do a lot of I Charted three made me go to Subway for some
reason. I can't remember why now, but I remember the charted three Subway
commercials Oh yeah, where Nathan Drake is holding a Subway cupumbling through the airplane.
It looks real weird like it was. It was not animated by like
the Naughty Dog A team. I definitely bought a bag, like I do
this all the time. This is the one that's just coming to mind.
I definitely bike was going to get my pickup pre order for Call of Duty
whatever, and there was a bag of Dorito's with call of Duty on it.
Said I had a code, and I definitely got the Doritos. I've
done dumber shit than that, for sure, but that's just the one I
can think of. I mean, I'm just an idiot who drinks a lot
of energy drinks in general, but I drank so many getting double Expeed tokens
for a Modern War three this past year and UH one regret you guys.
You guys ever like back in the day, go see UH movies because they
had a trailer that you cared about. You didn't care about the movie itself.
I just meet Joe Black for Phantom. I saw Secondhand Lions, so
I could see the Two Towers trailer. What is second hand Alliance? Was
young Haley Joe Osmitt at the movement with his like his grandparents played by Michael
Kane and Robert Duvall discover Okay, yeah, okay, it had the two
Towers, Joe that the other one was. I saw the robots that Weird
DreamWorks CG Movies. I could see the episode three trailer. Okay, okay,
help me out here because I feel I feel like this might have been
like a little before my time kind of thing. How did you know that
the trailer was going to be at that movie? Would they would advertise it
because they knew that there would be especially for these movies. They knew that
there'd be nerds who would flow help and they still have Secondhand Lions. News
would tell us in it cool news things like oh yeah, they were still
like yeah, we still had like any cool news and comingsoon dot Net would
be like on forums and stuff like that. Sing did you have to be
like plugged in sort of like in magazines. They would be in magazines.
There would be some magazines that woul happen, but it was like at that
point, it was like most frequently you had to be pretty plugged in.
And then on like entertainment tonight, they might mention it. So like at
seven thirty on ABC, maybe they'll say that, but mostly it was on
the internet. Okay, let's see next, we're up to slippery moose Cakes.
Anything really positive you've heard about Xbox? I mean, I don't know
if people are gonna want to hear this, but apparently it's going to be
a pretty decent Xbox showcase. So they say that pretty frequently. We'll see.
But that's the best I got for you. I had no idea Jedi
Moss four. My concern is for every Hades, there's more than five hundred
other indies that fade into obscurity. Indies have suffered plenty of closings and had
had layer Well, yeah, yes, there's the indie apocalypse is ongoing.
It has been for the last ten years, there's so many out there there
competing with one another. I think the idea is though, that there is
some difference between like a bunch of people leaving Respawn, taking a bunch of
venture capital money, hiring two hundred and fifty people, and like garage developers
like it used to be all garage developers. That's the thing I got out
of reading that book Masters of Doom is like, man, there was a
time when the biggest video game makers in the world, we're basically just people
working in a house. They're basically just working in a garage. And it's
like the stakes at that point, it's like either we get rich or we
had fun making the game we want to make. Exact there's something to our
normal coding jobs at micros. Yeah, and hopefully I made that clear why
I was talking about it earlier. That's the kind of that's a level of
Indie that I'm talking about right, team that knows, hey, we all
got savings, were good to like take a risk and like try to develop
a game and like a year have just put out on Steam and see what
happens. That's the kind of India I think is doing well right now and
it seem success because they can take those risks. You know, did you
guys see the new games added to the World Video Game Hall of Fame?
I didn't. Yeah, it's Asteroids, Resident Ever one, Simp City,
missed in Ultimate one. They actually, I think picked almost all the right
games this time. Something weird Last of Us from ten years. But it's
really fueling my uh my craving for playing old ultimate and missed games. But
that's what mad me thinking of it, because like ultimately, yeah, like
one person made that back up the day right when it was scaled up,
it was like ten people now from Dean. What is v tuber Christian's avatar
of choice? Chris, you've done this before. I did me too in
the past a little bit. And my my avatar was that submarine that killed
the billionaires. Yes it was Jesus christ Yeah. Cool. If you had
to choose now I were working, I want to want to be the gun
that killed the killed instead. I just have another idea actually over the Burrett.
Okay, last, but certainly not least, Shintaro for Kawaka, President
of Nintendo. Please enjoy some of the money from the tons I've made,
but please be aware I will not discuss Nintendo Swish to thank you for or
should I say for Kawa Sama? The hell is happening to? Jeff just
lost some frames again. Oh oh, he's had a discord issue because the
stream is still going, but we are frozen on his os. Okay he
lost the Okay, oh he's breaking. Everything is breaking. This is going
to be in the Jeff. Either they don't hear him super chat. At
least they may have not heard that. I'm he's gonna fa it. I'm
gonna tell people. Oh you're back, Jeff, You're back. Are we
back? Oh wait? Wait wait hang on, Oh no, he's frozen
again. Uh oh, hardly still going? Uh oh wait we know for
my back? Oh here you I think you're back. I think you're back.
It's gonna break again. I feel like it's gonna break again. Are
we good? Yeah? Did you get that for your call us on super
Chat? I did not hear this for acala sounds super Chat. No,
all right, let me let me get quick. Chintako for a co president
of Nintendo said, please enjoy some money from tons I've made, but please
be aware. I will not discuss Nintendo switsch too. We understand for Okawa
and we appreciate the money. You can't send the ninjas to destroy Jeff.
Yeah, they already did. Yeah, oh my god. Okay, all
right, let's way. What you guys been playing anything, Mike h oh
gosh. I mean, I I don't think anything that I didn't already talk
about on two zounds. It's my quack shot world record. That was the
big thing. Kind of just thinking about, like how much I want to
play Crow Country. Uh, and I can't Animal. I always forget the
name animal animal well yeah, animals down, well, but instead it's animal.
Well, no, that'll help. I also really want to play Samo
Max Hit the Road some point this weekend with my adventure game Craze, right,
so maybe maybe I will also get the But I did you know Hades
two very good. I did play a good amount of that. It rules.
It is so much fun. I mean, Haities is just such a
good game. And it's a sequel in so many ways that is familiar and
what I want, you know, the things that they do to change it
up, right, Like you are a bit more of a you know,
you're more of a magic user, maybe slightly less agile than Zagarias was and
yet, but it also feels like there's kind of more to do and see
when you're doing these runs. Just very happy with it. So anyhow,
I am famously sometimes anti early axis. This is not aside from like some
small things like oh like arts not here yet or something, it doesn't feel
like an early access game to me. Yeah. I just haven't had much
time to play anything recently and gaming has had me so down in the dump
slightly for a variety of reasons. So over the weekend when I did every
time, all I did was just figure out how to get the best possible
CRT shaders going for retro games. That rules. I've had that weekend before.
It's a good time. Oh it's so fun. And you know I
got the four kolad here so I can have you know, the deep blacks
and like it has the pixels on the screen that you can do some insanely
good effects. My my test was I usually don't like using retro arc as
a piece of software in general. If I was using because the best or
the easiest, I should say, way to do these filters. My test
is at the Sonic Waterfall looks like a transparent layer over the Yeah, sure,
then that's the filter for me. So I did find a composite style
filter in the retro arch presearchs that I think is really good. I'm gonna
use that to play on my fair games or the weekend alongside finally give the
time to play some of these indies, all the indies I want to play.
What people are popping off over? What was this like a one thousand
X resist or something one thousand x Resists. That's right. Someone said like
it's the greatest game they've ever played, and stuff like this. I saw.
I'm like, well that another one on the list that crow Country hated.
Sary got fire up Animal Animal, Yes, story, I'm sorry you
have to re brilling sci fi Adventure of the Year is unknown. I wonder
if it's the one thousand uh z s spread by an alien invasion keeps you
under. It's anime, so you're probably gonna like it. Anime, yeah,
moisturizer anime or normal anime? Sean we think it it's I think it's
kind of normal anime. It's an old were getting to the point where I
don't think Mike can say that anymore. I'm I'm just asking if it looks
like a game or whatever. I did start Animal, Well, it's like
I said earlier, it hasn't grabbed me. But the only reason I'm noticing
that is because everyone said I'm gonna love this game so much. Uh so
I'm like waiting to wait for that to happen. It is a Metroidvena where
you don't have direct combat, but you can get attacked. I like that
part of it. I like everything that's doing. It's illusion island, like
it's a Mickey's illusion island. Like, yeah, I was just thinking the
same thing when someone first told me that. It's a little bit more like
you're gonna get tools, like you get firecrackers and that scares the enemies away.
You get a bubble and a wand that shoots out bubbles, and then
you can jump on that bubble and then you can jump up a little bit
higher. And I kind of actu focus is what I hear, very puzzle
focus. Very. I think my initial thing was it's like, you know,
and a lot of these like I feel like, oh, I'm getting
lost and it takes time for me to figure my way out, and that's
satisfying. Here, It's like I feel like I'm getting a little bit more
stuck in a place, so not like stuck I can't figure out the puzzle,
but just like I just feel enclosed in spaces sometimes and I think I
need to just like get a little bit more mastery of the world and then
things will start clicking, and I just people are alluding to all these other
things that are happening with these puzzles, and I haven't seen any of that
yet. So wait and see what that I did. I couldn't put down
Haites two earlier this week. That game really does rules. So enjoying that
quite a bit, but not a lot of time for other things. Really,
my game playing time is going towards thinking about what to do with the
Summer game Fest and getting all that stuff organized. Although getting to a point
where that's feeling a lot better. I have. I have so much trips
that I will actually not be here for real the whole time next week because
I'm going to be gone maybe even the week after. I have a long
trip coming up because we have our games beat something happening first, so I'm
going out for that and then I come back like a week and then Summer
game Fest. So I have a lot of la traveling to do. I
think that's gonna do it. Though, I'm gonna hit the button let's get
out of here. Maybe, yeah, there's the button. I don't know
with these. Okay, so there's one thousand X Resist Animal well, uh,
crow Country, crow Country, and then the Cat Game people, Oh,
Little Kitty, Big City. Yeah, we love those. Which ones
are you all look into playing first or second? Think? I kind of
play Coke crow Country first. I want to play Animal well for sure.
When I saw crow Country like a month ago, I was like, Oh,
that speaks to me. Oh I want that. You I an't playing,
We don't. We can't hear it. That's all you just start.
You just yell at us whin. Yeah, they can hear. You'll be
able here in a second. Probably a thousand acts resists for me that it
looks really good. I like the style. And then crow Country. I
love how it looks like PS one Survival Horror, but like with the Final
Fantasy seven graphics specifically, Yeah, it's really cool the way it looks.
Yep. I'm gonna stick with Animal, well at least until I know what
it's doing, so I can decide whether or not I'm gonna stick with it
long term or not, but everyone seems to like it, so I don't
want to be left out in the party on that one. And then yeah,
crow Country does effect. I'm gonna install that right now. Crypt Masters
that other one, yeah, yeah. People mention that super chess like typing
is that one that is? Yeah, it gets typing the Yeah. These
games are cool, dang, and after many shoot adventures already, this awesome,
right surprise? Right? Yeah? Do you think that all of these
developers were waiting for this time when like the release is slowed down and everyone
just everyone just quick, because I feel like they need didn't pop off quite
as hard last year. Maybe this is because I wasn't paying as much attention
because I was so busy with those big games. I don't know, yes
exactly. Uh yeah, I'm gonna try this crypt Master as well. All
right, you guys, got any plans for the weekend? Hopefully not?
I mean Mother's Day. We're taking my mom to Mexican restaurants. That'll be
I'm probably do Let's Yeah, there you go, there you go, get
Margie's Mikey Tom stands bitch. Thanks for listen, everybody. Till next time.
I have a good, take care of yourself. A goodbye. Disagree,
disagree, disagree, disagree. You sent me a sound file told me
to eat ship. I thought that was called for. Yeah, that's I
mean, listen, she's really problematic recently. I heard some of her opinions.
I don't even know you know what that's. That's a good thing that
she disagrees with you. Yeah, I be people are fitting it right now,
right, all right, I'm good to get back into it. If
you want to break, let me know. I can help the super chests
if you want me to. Yeah, that'd be great, thank you,
Okay, because I think they're like a little you want to set up the
scene for for the because we have for the we can do that after we
probably do know our break after a super chat the it's quite a few of
them, all right, son, good let me see because we start with
that one and then where is this one kicking? It's now stream Elements is
sort of missing a few, so okay, I think I'll be reading along
with you. So if they're on YouTube, not on stream elements, I'll
pick them up. Okay, well, I'll read off of YouTube. If
anyone has there's missed, uh, let me know, and I can check
stream elements to say we didn't miss any okay, so might it might be
working fine though, all right, all right, cool, we're gonna get
back into it, everybody. All right, let's see here. You're getting
things set up. Yeah, I'm getting things set up, all Right'm getting
und to the bathroom real quick and get a drink maybe some ice. Notice
is for cowards. You're not supposed to use ice anymore. Is evil.
The ice we're dropping. The ice ice is over, it's washed. Then
you take is warm stuff. Yeah, it's worms in your brains. Warm
warm, warm warm. No, it's not warm either. It's just compression
and not even like yeah, and not even like aspirin that like lowers the
swelling. The swelling is good, apparently. Yeah, they canceled ice.
What the ice? Don't tell me. I don't want to know what ice
said. I still put it in my beverages. So okay, let's see
here. Yeah, it is for co wors cocaines, fucking yeah, mo
is seeing's and sugar for the first time in the month. And it's like
kill type and stuff just like it's just like the I mean, it's not
like the shirts pan a little but the spike up. We'll see how that
feels tomorrow. Yeah, you're you're by the way, your discal notifications are
we can't go off? Yeah, they're going They were going off. No
now, yeah, I heard people like this TB wasn't muted. Okay,
what's muted? Now? All right, how the wrestlers do on the dump?
Tut They did very well, apparently I listened for a little bit and
then I had to do stuff, and a little bit that I listened to
it was pretty funny. Yeah, well look at up right, good,
good, look at your problem solving? Yeah, I figured it out.
Alright, here we go. Well, okay, so you fell. Did
you actually get out there and do some skating though? Oh? Kind of
us very bad. I think like I could kind of push with my right
foot, whenever I try to do with my left just wasn't happening. So
I was like always on the hall. Yeah you did a triple loop?
No, I know that. Wow, this is the first time was skating
since I was like a kid, Like, I mean, it's like this,
it's like the same skating rink is open here since when we were kids
we had like field trips there. So me and my friends like, we
you know, we want to go do that, and adult night is only
Thursday night, so that's why we had to go kind of. Now you
should watch you do real nice. You're gonna love it. I feel like
skating one's I think it is. It's not what I think it is.
We were all fuel fool by the name your on ice. Thought. I
thought it was one of those sports animals. It is, it is,
it is, okay, nem Mike's sport animals. Well wait what it was?
People think you're on ice? It's the gay ice skating show. Right,
No, well, I mean it is gay. It's gay. Ury
Ury has that other meeting. Sure, okay you know Uri is lesbian.
Yeah you're yes, okay, yeah, this is dudes, really right,
I really want Christians Southboard of Christians say well it is gay. Anyways,
we're going along. We should get into this. Yeah, all right,
I'm bringing this back in all right. Good stuff stuff, good stuff.
Yes, re formatting, yep, all right, I gave up on the
trying to read a long game make about two thirds threes amount. It was
impressive for when you did do it, Yes, it did well? All
right, you all good? All right, let's go