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time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a nonlinear,
non subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy
wymy stuff. You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Hi everybody, This is
Iron Adam, the host to the Paranormal UK Radio show. It's the flagship
show to the Paranormal UK Radio network. And yes, I know who are
you? Marky Johnson, Mark Johnson, Mark Johnson. Yay. I love
that I have to constantly remind you who I am after ten years, so
does my husband. Oh you're reminding him who I am to Oh, well,
you know, welcome back. I know, due to some illness and
other busy things, you haven't been able to have been on the last couple
of shows. So I think it's fitting for our last couple of shows of
the year that your butt is here. Yeah, it's to change. Yeah,
now we're getting back to base, expect to where we should be.
Yeah. No, as we're looking at each other over video and I've never
done the show looking at your face before, and I can't do the show.
I just can't handle it. I No, I can't smart Johnson.
You'll get it, you'll not. We remember we did it sitting across the
table from each other when I was there. That was different when we were
in the old blub What was it called against Swan, wasn't it? No,
I was sitting in your dining room. Remember we recorded a show together.
Oh yeah, that's different as well, because you were physically here.
Yeah. And if you annoyed me, I could have give you a kick
under the table. Well you can give me a virtual kick under the table.
That's fine, Okay, whatever suits your fancy. Oh that's a bit
English, isn't it. Yes? It is. I spent enough time with
you and around you that you know I pick up the English sayings. Is
that? How mug? Whatever you've got there? Is that big enough,
not nearly that it's like a flower bars massive. Yeah, that's the whole
point less fewer trips to the to the coffee machine. But surely by the
time you get to the bottom of the coffee is cold. You know,
it's okay, I like it. It's certainly bigger than a teacup anyway.
No, that's true, because otherwise I'd be like and they'd be gone.
Yeah, it's like a bucket. Oh lord. So here we are in
November. We have the holidays coming up quickly. Now do you all have
your own version of like Thanksgiving? I don't know, no, not really.
There are some people that it is in small areas. I suppose there
are some people that are doing something similar. But oh, because we have
Thanksgiving next Thursday. Uh, actually that would be the day after this episode
posts. And you know, it's always a big family thing over here.
People eat way too much, specifically turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and gravy,
my favorites. That's the sort of thing we eat at Christmas. You
know, it would be absolutely stupid tweet it late November and then again in
Christmas. We'll see. With my wife's family, Yeah, they do.
My mother in law makes Christmas lasagna. Son, Yeah, okay, And
it is like does she put a bit of holly on it or something?
No? No, but she makes so much. It's so thick and heavy
and so filled with cheese. I mean a slice weighs like a pound.
And this is Christmas dinner for you. This is Christmas dinner at her house.
Yes, you have not lived, boy, you really have not lived.
No. I haven't had an English Christmas, so I always want to
experience one one day. Mmm, typical English Christmas. I suppose on Christmas
days like turkey leave ham going, you know, mm hmm, and brush
and sprouts with bacon and or guardians as they call them or whatever. Funny
roast carrots and parsnips, roast potatoes very very fluffy. His be roast potatoes.
Bread pudding, not bread pudding that bread puddings anytime year, Christmas pudding
or plum pudding. I make my own. I've made mine already. It's
sitting there waiting. It'll last the month and a half. Oh yeah,
easy. It's in a silk container in the fridge. Cool. And Christmas
cake should make Christmas cakes, say around about the end of October. The
beginning and by you keep feeding them with a bit of brandy or a bit
of rump up until Christmas, or up until your ice them and decorate them.
And uh, you know you can get sloshed on them if you're lucky.
The more alcohol the better, especially would deal with family. Yeah,
I make two Christmas cakes every year, traditional Christmas cakes, one for myself
or one for me you know this family, my family and one for my
son and his family. And you've got in it stout rum and brad but
very moist and gets you drunk in no time. And the let's just put
in I remember as a child, you know, absolutely knocking my brother away
off of his chair at the table, trying to get into his bowl.
If my bowl did not contain in the little bit of paper with a coin
wrapped in it, which Mum always put in the Christmas pudding. If my
I pig around in my bowl quickly to have looking if he wasn't there,
I'll give him a quick side swipe. He'll be off the back of his
chair and I'll be in his puddy. Well, for those who aren't following
me on Facebook, you'll know that last week I did something very very last
minute, not planned, impromptun spur spur. At the moment, wasn't it?
Well, you know, it hit me. I was. It was
Tuesday night and I couldn't sleep as usual, and I'm tossing and turning for
hours, and then I remembered that Saturday was my mother's birthday. It was
there going to be your eighty seventh birthday day. But my mother lives in
Colorado, along with my brother and the rest of the family. And it
hit me. It's like, I've got nothing going on here. I'm out
of work, and what else was I going to do the next few days
but sit around? So I well, I was having my car service the
next day anyway, which actually worked out good because I was getting an oil
changed, hire rotation, so my car was all ready to hit the road.
So Thursday, I got up early, started driving cross country. Drove
eighteen hours the first day because there was some road closures. I had to
be detoured ten eleven hours the next day. But I got to my mother's
Friday afternoon, and then I've never really surprised anybody before, so this was
so cool. So I go up to my mother lives in a senior facility,
so I go up to her apartment. I stand outside her door and
I call her up on the phone. She answers, and I just say,
hey, what you doing? And she said, oh, I'm here
working on a puzzle. And so I said, well, you know,
I know tomorrow's your birthday, but I'm calling you a day early because I
had ordered you a birthday present and I just received notification that it was delivered
and it's right outside your door. And she goes, oh, okay,
well let me go look. So she goes to the door, opens it
up, and there I am standing there with some flowers saying happy birthday,
and her jaw about hit the floor in shock, and she goes, what
are you doing here? I go, Happy birthday, and she hugged me.
And my mother is the most unemotional person in the world. She doesn't
show much emotion. And she broke down crying. Also. It only lasted
a few seconds and then she was back to herself, but she was so
thrilled and happy and surprised. It was it was totally worth it. Yeah,
it's a beautiful thing to do. Yeah. And then the next day
is when everybody else came over, which everybody else was in on it.
She was the only one who didn't know. And we had a very lovely
birthday for her, and with all of her grand great grandkilled children and one
grandson and her other her two boys together, you know. So that's what
she always loves, is family being together. That's her big thing. So
she got that for her birthday. And I was only planning on staying through
the weekend and driving home. But then I started to think about it.
I was like, what am I coming home to an empty house? I'm
out of work. So I stayed the week And it's so weird. I've
known that. We were talking a little bit about this before the show.
Is how different everything is. The energy being out of this house. And
the whole time that I left the house was on the road. The whole
time I was out there in Colorado, I felt perfectly fine. All the
weight was lifted. All the little bit of depression I've been feeling, or
grief raining, all this other stuff I've been dealing with all year long gone.
It was the same way I felt when I came out and visited you
in August in England. Mm hmmm, Well, it doesn't matter. It's
being out of this house. It's giving me a lot to think about it.
I might have to sell this house just to get out of here,
because I think there's just too much past here and it's messing with my head.
So I don't know where I'm gonna go. I'm still not They all
want me to move out there and heartbeat, and I'm not convinced of it
yet. Now I want you to move here. Sure, I'll be right
over. Yeah. True? How long was it? But when you got
back before the atmosphere started to change again in the house again, like this
time a few days nnagers started to go down. Well, my positive energy
started going down, and then I started getting the bad days of depression again.
And now that i've been back since this past I got back in Saturday
night and it's Wednesday that we're recording this, so it's been about four days
and I'm feeling it again. So you know it, it's it's too much
troull We're in that house. Too much trouble has happened. I think it's
hung on to it. I think, so it's too much of a reminder
I need. I need to get out and I just need to figure out
where I'm going to go. I could sell the house. Yeah, But
like I said, I've been out to Colorado and around my family and and
it's beautiful out there, but it's it's a completely different environment. I still
have some issues and philosophical differences with my family over some important things. And
while guilt, I think is one of the things driving me. Because my
mother's eighty seven, she's just getting older and while she's still pretty healthy,
anything happens in a couple of years, she may need help, and so
I feel like, you know, a part of me feels like I should
be there to help, and yet at the same time, these last however
many years, I feel like I've been giving up too much of myself to
other people and not living my life for me. It's one thing to be
there for family, but it's another thing when you've given up so much.
And I know, moving out there there's a lot I would have to give
up, and no offense to my family. Maybe this is extreme, being
extremely selfish, people can comment on it. I'm kind of tired, you
know, I have limited years left on my own life, and there's a
few things I'd like to kind of do with it. So I'm not sure.
I mean, as I mentioned before, I'm not ready to go rush
out and get a job at the moment because I don't want to go back
into my career burnout. You've got a lot of thinking to do, ah,
yes, thinking. I have plenty of time to do that. It's
right now. What I'm doing is kind of I'm waiting to get through the
holidays, and I'm kind of waiting for inspiration to hit because i feel like
when whenever or wherever I'm meant to go and timing, it'll come up.
No. Oh yeah, yep. Well, getting back to the house,
since you've been there, have you heard any bangs or strange noises? Well,
not since I've been back this time, but I have heard over the
last few months lots of bangs, unexplained bangs. Uh. I thought I
heard voices once. That was a while ago. Now I do not believe
my wife is here at all. No, I don't. I think some
things have come in. Maybe maybe some things are being attached or attracted to,
you know, my emotional state. Well, it might be. And
also you've got to think about the actual fear and trauma that she went through
in those last moments. What could have been dragged in then, also with
your depression and everything that you went through afterwards. Yeah, there's no there
is no way she is in that house. No, No, I know
she's not. I know in my heart people think and she's not giving you
any special signs here. She gave me one. Yeah, that was enough.
That's all you needed. That was enough. It was It was a
goodbye. She inserted herself in my dream, that's right. That's what I
find so funny about that. That situation is because I was having a typical
anxiety dream that had absolutely nothing to do with anything. And then it was
like somebody like watching something on TV in your DVR, and somebody pressed pause
and the whole dream paused, and she was there, crystal clear. And
I don't know if I've mentioned this on air before, but she looked amazingly
beautiful. She looked twenty years younger, and she was wearing a red dress,
which red was her favorite. Her hair was made. I mean,
she was angelic, looked effing gorgeous, and all she said to me she
looked at me with a smile and she said, how can I help Now.
I've always pondered what that meant because there was a television show over here
called New Providence, which just ended, and one of the big catchphrases on
that show as doctors and whatnot, and the main doctor always saying how can
I help? So I don't know if it came from that or what,
you know, in my grief, I looked at her and said, well,
you could still be here. But then at that point the dream shifted.
She was gone, and I went right back into my crazy anxiety dream,
which I don't remember much of it all, but man, I remember
that insertation, and I just think it was her way of saying goodbye.
And this was months ago, and I know she hasn't been here since.
Do you ever do you ever talk to him Mark all the time, all
the time. Yes, I talked to her my guide God, whoever the
heck I think is listening or might be listening, I tell you, because
I have no freaking idea you know who's listening. I mean, I'm not
that in tune. So you know, you just you say things like if
you're doing something, what do you think of this? Cherry? That type
of thing. Bars. Sometimes it's more like usually I don't talk when I'm
at home. It's usually if i'm out driving. But I'm out of the
house and driving, and especially when I'm out of this house and i'm driving,
and then I'll talk, and I'll talk to whoever's listening, and I'll
include Sherry, you know, I'll include my brother who passed. Basically anybody
who can like help or give me some insight, you know, I'll talk.
But talking out loud also helps me think things through rather than internalizing everything,
because I do have some decisions to make here soon, and so I
try to talk it through. I think I've been given some answers, Like
ever went out there, things were way different this time than when I went
out last May, which were horrible, but I was in a really bad
mental and emotional place, so so I don't know, it's it's it's weird.
It's like, I know, we hell. I interviewed Rosanna i InKo
of a couple of shows back now. She is very much into shamanism,
and I studied some shamanism, so it's like, you know, her and
I had a lot to talk about. And you know, when I hear
people talking about how in tune they are with their guides and and this guide
is there for her and this guy and that whatever, and I'm sitting there
going well, at least you know the hell you're dealing with. I don't
know. I'm not in tune now. The one nice thing about my trip
was I got to hook up again with my old shamanic teachers. It's nice
and it was wonderful seeing it again. It was a beautiful evening. It
was short. My one teacher rocks in years ago, she had a car
accident which gave her a traumatic brain injury. And while she mostly functions well,
every now and then she'll fade quickly. And I knew she was fading,
so I left early because I didn't want to, like, you know,
she was fading fast. But we had a great dinner. We had
a great talk. She even did a reading for me, which was spotting
fighting. By fighting fast, you mean getting tired. Yes, yes,
yeah, That's why they wanted an early dinner because I think she gets tired
in the evenings very quickly. Now they've retired since COVID, they used to
do all the trainings for shamanic practitioners. They used to do these journey groups
a couple times a month, and but all of that thing now they're both
more elderly now and after COVID. They just decided to retire fully, but
it was still nice being around them because they give off such wonderful positive energy.
Yeah, that's lovely. Yeah. So again now it's just figuring out
life. Mm hmm. You get there. So our listeners are sitting there
going, Okay, what's the point of all this, Well, we have
no guests tonight, is this is just a the point. The point of
this is we are very very close friends and even on the radio, whether
we talk on the radio or whether we're talk in private, we're always there
for each other and we're always listening to each other. That's the point of
it. Well, you're a sister, so h yes, so yes,
those sister Yeah m hm, it's true. M Yeah. And that's another
story though, isn't it. Yeah, we've told that story before, so
yeah, so that's fine. But you know, it's like there's so much
that the talk about in so many different things that are going on between everything
going on in the world. And you know what I've been I've been following
a lot of other people in their talks or some of the guests that we've
had on and you know, I stop to think about how there's so many
different concepts out there, and yet I feel and this by no means disparages
any of our recent guests, recent guests, but there are so many times
we get people who come on the show, and I hate to admit that
I feel we know more than they do about a lot of different things.
And it's fine for people to come on, and we're always respectful of our
guests, and we let them talk and share their experiences, and sometimes I'll
admit I don't agree with them, but then there's times when we can learn
from them exactly. It's both ways. Sometimes I disagree with somebody to think,
no, you've got that all wrong, or you only have a rudimentary
knowledge of something, and then there are times some words sitting back going wow,
you know, we do learn, and that's the human experience too.
There is no one person out there that knows everything, and we're all here
to experience and learn and that's what that's what people need to understand. And
one of the big lessons that I have learned recently is the whole idea of
life experience. And when people who go through an illness, they go through
a tragic family loss like me, A couple of them actually, and you
know, some people get mad and they go, why would God do this
or why would God allow this? Or whatever? And from additional Western Christian
values, you know, they think, well, God giveth, God taketh
away. It's like, no, it's we're here to learn. We're here
to experience, you know, I e. You know again, our souls
and our spirits, which are eternal, we're here temporarily. And yes,
I believe in reincarnation for the simple fact that these lessons take multiple lifetimes because
you're experiencing different things. Unless you choose not to learn the lesson, then
you might have to come back and do it all over again. Oh my
god, I'm going to be back a few times. Then, you know,
sometimes you will, sometimes you won't because you may not learn the lesson
earlier in life, but then you learn it later in life. And this
is what I think has happened to me. My wife passing away tragic.
Yes I'm grieving, Yes I miss her, And yet I also look at
it like that chapter is over and now a new door has been opened,
and I have to look back. I have to learn that. Look,
there are bad times and good times. There were some really bad times there
were things like when any marriage you disagree with each other. There were things
I didn't like, and I went through an anger period there for a while.
But now I've kind of taken a big step back and realized, Look,
it's all a learning experience acceptance. It's living in acceptance. Yes,
you know, it's the same thing like with my family. There's things with
my family that I absolutely disagree with and couldn't disagree with more. But and
I was angry with them for a long time. But you know, you
can't. Anger isn't going to help anything. And sometimes people, when you
can't change them, they have to live their own lives. You have to
live in acceptance knowing that they're going to be who they're going to be,
and you have to concentrate on yourself. Just be the best version of yourself.
You know. I've always had a desire to work with people and do
some positive things and help people, and so that's it feels like that's my
mission in life. Now. Where I'm going to go with that, I
don't know, but still working. What do you think my mission in life
is to be an encouragible pain in the ass? Oh gosh, Oh you
are incorrigible, that's for sure. What is really truthfully now? No missing,
no missing, no jee. Okay, Well, take a look at
your life. What have you done in life up to now? And you've
used your gifts sometimes in helping others with running Spirit Riscue International for so many
years. But you know, sometimes you also backed a way to focus on
yourself too, because sometimes you know, you go through different phases in your
life and some of the things you were doing people were trying to take advantage
of it and you didn't want that. And you know you're basically retired,
but you still have a lot to give and to learn too. Now,
you know, we don't talk about most of it goes on with you and
you keep that private and that's perfectly fine. Although I still want to work
on that book. Well, I keep it brighter because I think I'd absolutely
terrify a lot of people if I did talk about myself too much. It
depends on how it's processed and how it's put out there, in what you
want to put out there, because you know, there's the one thing I
have learned from you, and I think a lot of your purpose has been
working with me and training me because I've learned so much from you over these
years. You might call me almost yes, yes, master, yeah,
righta gross up. Ah. I like to think I've taught you one or
two things here and there. It much, but a few I have to
think, I'll have to think. I expect you have. But I think
we've had a journey together where we've both learned a lot of things together.
We've we worked on new concepts that were totally alien to me a few years
ago, and a lot of the stuff that we've talked about was never heard
of in the world of the paranormal before, and now all of a sudden,
the people are coming out and claiming it as there's the idea of we
don't care because we don't need any gratification for it anyway. But yeah,
we were talking about parallel realities. You know. Now now in the movies,
everything is about the multiverse. You know, all these all these sci
fi movies are marvel and detail going on about that what sixty seventy years ago,
Yeah, quite seventy years ago, but sixty sixty Yeah, about sixty
years ago, I'm talking. And my big thing has always been that reality
as we know it, as we've been trained in modern society is wrong.
It's not reality. It's our limited view. And most of it is fueled
by dogma, whether it's societal dogma, religious dogma, and trying to break
people out of the mold to think outside of the box. If it threatens
their paradigm, they'll fight it tooth and now, oh they will. They'll
attack you over it. You know, you and I have had some really
mind blowing discussions, especially about some of your experiences and it. You know,
like as you mentioned, it's it's becoming more mainstream now and yet still
the average person mostly doesn't know about it. People involved in the paranormal and
what's still bodied. You know, Mark, I put stuff in that book.
Within a year or two it was out in mainstream as if people were
discover in that. And that's your first book, Life among the Spirits,
that's the one, your autobiography, which I feel that we're due for a
sequel, Yeah, because there's a lot you didn't talk about in that book,
and there's a lot of experiences you and I have had since that's right,
we have. Yeah, So and you know what, I'm struggling with
a lot of things, a lot of old time concepts. Look, I'm
soh my god, that don't isn't old time concepts. Nothing is not that
well when you deal with, let's say, all of these paranormal shows,
which are very popular now, and they've been they've been this way for well
over fifteen years. And I remember when they first started, and it's what
got me into I mean, I was into ghost hunting before the first ghost
hunting shows came out. I don't consider myself a ghost hunter anymore. It's
it's an Yeah, even the term paranormal researcher doesn't really fit me anymore because
most of these shows they have it dead wrong. They're still working with Victorian
era ideas of spiritualism. Everything here in America is a freaking demon, which
is wrong. Oh my god. Ghost Adventures just did another demonic episode where
they brought an exorcist to Oh yeah it wasn't me. Yeah it wasn't you.
No exist, but it wasn't me. They focus so much on the
negative and and again, like you just mentioned, the whole concept of ghosts
has changed for me, and I don't really believe as much in ghosts anymore,
of peoples of human spirits not moving forward or being stuck. No,
no, and the word goes and things like that. You know, that's
just a human words, so that you can understand what they think they're seeing.
The ghosts. No, you don't exist, not in that way.
Well, you know, I'm fascinated with and I've been watching online a lot
of there's several channels out there about near death experiences, and people who have
had their near death experiences go over to the other side temporarily. Now here's
what's funny. Everybody's experience in a lot of ways is different, and in
a lot of other ways is very similar. But everybody who's had these experiences,
they're not just wandering around their hospital room or feeling stuck or having to
stay home. They all come back and ninety five percent of them or more
talk about insanely beautiful positive experiences. Religious people tend to see religious figures.
So many people talk about seeing Jesus. Some people talk about meeting directly with
God or past relatives, past relatives, and in a lot of these cases,
and this is how I feel about ghosts, and heck, in some
cases, that's how I feel about uh ET experiencers. Is a lot of
the information, a lot of what they're experiencing is kind of what I would
call screen memory, or it's it's being presented in such a way. Their
experience is being tailored in such a way that it's not exactly true. Not
saying that people are being deceived, but I think that people are shown what
they need to be shown in order to take tea, in order to learn
a lesson. Do I think that they've met Jesus? Maybe maybe not.
Maybe it's a figure that presents itself as Jesus, because that will get their
attention, yes, and they'll listen to that, and then they'll feel that
love and they'll feel all that positive energy. But then they'll listen and they
get excited because they got to meet Jesus, or they even having a conversation
with God, who seems like a regular person when they talk to him.
But I think that the experience and they're all different, whether they go to
a beautiful city where it's in a field of flowers, or whether it's in
some different areas that are just kind of beyond their comprehension. But that's the
problem. When they start talking about so many human terms, that's when I
start to think that, you know, that's what their minds can comprehend when
they come back because the other concepts are just beyond the human mind's ability to
translate. And so I think you're right there, because look at some of
the stuff I've come out with in the past, You've had to take real
time to think what they're talking about. When when things have been passed on
to you, mm hmmm are you talking about? What are you talking about?
I think, well, they're not there. Yeah, well knows what
I call them up there? But you know, this is it. The
human mind can only take in so much information, and what they are being
given is well beyond their comprehension that what their mind can handle. So they're
even an experience that they can relate in human terms when talking to other people
about it, you know. And they all seem to come back and write
a book, yes, you know, seven osle things. Yeah, and
and it's it's it's funny. Let's get back to our original idea of ghosts,
which we've mentioned this before. Do I feel that there are ghosts of
human spirits wandering around not crossing over? Yes, but it is extremely rare
because I think most people cross over, and I think that a lot of
what we say, ah, different forms of energy, different forms of beings
that can give you what you expect to see here, Herbert, Annie amrah,
I expect to see them in this house. Doesn't mean to say it.
Because of that very very first vision of Annie standing in that bedroom looking
at the window. I now expect to see, uh, those them,
them forms in this house. And now it's I've learned their energy. I've
learned. Ah, it's like a there's smell everything about them. I've learned
pick up on right. But but I don't believe it's them. They're down
there in the graveyard. I do yeah, I do not. And wherever
they go, if they go anywhere afterwards, I do not believe that these
energies that wander and flash through this house are them. And that's why every
now and then I pick up her from one, because they're not giving off
that energy of Herbert. Occasionally I'll get something else. You even got smells
in this house? Well, yeah, when I was there, it's at
one point it smelled like wacky backy h my wacky baggy ghoes down. Yeah,
and I smell this pungent thing. I'm going, what the hell is
it? NOA, And I talked to you about it, but then after
a few minutes it went away and never came back. Oh, it has
been back a couple of times, but it's only every now, every now
and then. But I'm not sure whether that is WAKYBACKI or whether it's an
old fashioned tobacco. You know, that's very very sweet. Yeah, what
might have called it something rather? But the point is when that when they
are passing me, or when I'm I walk into a room and they are
there, I can detect them by their energy, by the smell or whatever's
get enough what I'm seeing right, mm hmm. But occasionally it's like they
slip up and they go past me. But there they go past me with
their own telltale signs or whatever you call it. And do you understand what
I mean, Yes, I'm picking up on something different unless when I know
so. Last night I walked into the bathroom. Oh my gosh, it
was full of the whole I've got to tell Brian this. I forgot to
tell them today. It's three o'clock, quarter past three in the morning.
I walked in there and it smelled like a blooming hospital in the bathroom.
Hm hmm, like any step huh. Well, you know, when we're
talking about what we think of could be ghosts, I mean we have to
acknowledge the fact that there are other types of entities that are on this planet
and even work within our spiritual plane, and they are not amongst us.
They're amongst us and they're not above I look at them as shape shifters too,
because they can take on whatever persona they want. Shape shift is tricksters,
yeah, and it's just because you use the word trickster does not necessarily
mean they're bad, but they but they can make you think that there's your
house is still a loved one is still in that house. Now, that
does not rule out actual visitations, because I believe my dream with Sherry was
an visitation and it was a goodbye. And I had the same thing with
my brother not long after he passed. I had almost the exact same kind
of experience. And I had the same with my father. Yeah, my
aunt had I know it was my father. I could feel his energy.
I knew it was my Mother's youngest sister passed. Yeah, and her oldest
sister, who they lived together, like a month afterwards, she appeared by
her bedside, was somebody else that she didn't recognize, and it was basically
a goodbye. Now, I believe those visitations happened. But to say your
house is haunted by the ghost of your dead relative or somebody else from the
past, you're dealing with a bunch of different factors. One is, as
we put these trickster energies, which I call elementals that are I don't even
like to use the word spiritual because it's not even spiritual. It's things that
are attached And it's not noblin, the goblin. No, things that are
attached to the land, that come and go, and they can present themselves
in certain ways to fool you or to make you think something or whatnot.
And like I said, you know, I've had experiences since my wife died,
and I know in my heart it's not her. I think maybe through
because of my grief, maybe because of my situation. I think something local
has come in and occasionally let's me know it's here. And most people would
jump to the conclusion, oh, my wife is here and doing this and
doing that. Well, you don't know, you do know what it is.
There's also time slips, which we've discussed. Now I know about those.
Yes, you do. I mean, we've talked about those many times
on our program, which you know, in some cases knowing how wonky time
is. It's not linear, and there are multiple timelines all playing out at
once that you know, you could see what you think is an apparition of
a person or ghost. People jump to the conclusion, Oh, it's a
ghost. Oh it's somebody still going about their job and they don't know they've
died, or they don't want to let go and they're still here. And
in most cases, I think that's absolutely wrong. And maybe what you're seeing
is is the conditions are right in an area where those time periods overlap,
and you can briefly see a living, breathing person in another time and they
could look transparent because you're not fully connected, the energies aren't fully there,
but just enough to see the person and maybe sometimes if that person is aware
they see you. Is exactly what happened to me? Mm hmm. Now,
I mean I've investigated a lot of houses, I've had I've had experiences,
caught things on video and audio and audio fascinates me. Hang on,
audio fascinates me because when you're picking up voices and sometimes they see to be
responding intelligently, and all too often people jump to the conclusion that they're talking
to the specific ghost of a person in the past, where again, when
you're dealing with these other types of elemental spirits, they can mimic voices and
make you think that you're talking to somebody you know who used to live in
the house. Yeah. So these are the types of things that really interest
me these days. It's because of breaking down traditional thought, traditional ideas of
reality and looking at them from a very different perspective. At the same time
acknowledging the fact that we may never figure it out with our human brains because
so much of it is beyond our human comprehension. Does that make sense?
That's always made sense now, you being you have had a lot of experiences
in your life. Yees seventy your jeers worth. So while demons are a
big thing in the paranormal over here, which again I don't believe in demons
per se, No, demons are beginning to take off over here as well.
Like I said before, you know, it was always demons in America
and ghosts over here, And now since all these television shows, people are
starting to get the idea that they've got a demon walking about their house instead
of a ghost. They've got neither half of them. But that's not to
say that you can't deal with something pretty nasty. Oh yeah, well,
you know, even the energy of it. You can walk into a house
and you can tell, even if there's nothing in there, you can tell
whether something is bad that's happened in there over the years, which leaves an
imprint on the house. And that imprint will play on you, you know
it will. So I'm watching my dogs out the window as well. At
the same time. Yeah, I'm hypnotized by the way they're playing out there,
So keep you on track here. Yeah, it leaves that, you
know, it gives the imprint of the house. The energy of it affects
you and the way that you feel and the way not that you well,
yeah, counterfect The way you think they presume I've walked into the house is
whether it's been an argument an hour or so beforehand. You can for me,
although they've made up and they've cuddled and they kissed, I can walk
into that house and I can cut the atmosphere with a knife. It's still
there, it's still hanging there. Well, and you've had. Even when
I was there, you know, there were a couple of times when something
comes in that's kind of negative and nasty, getting in your face, and
you know you have to like tell to f off and push it out.
Yeah, of course I laughed at you the one night when you had the
one thing in there and you wouldn't get rid of it because you were afraid
of waking me up. I'm going wake me up, oh Mark, When
you see my absolutely fly at this shite that comes in, this bad energy
or anything like that, do you'd think I was a raven looney? You
would think I'd lost the plot because I will chase it. I'll go after
it. You know, I become something else. M since little old Lady
suddenly becomes this horrendous, lasted, evil demon, and it's in herself.
One day, I'm going to look in the mirror and see if my eyes
are bright red. Well, that's why you know, I said, hey,
you know, if next time I come and visit, if that ever
happens again, don't worry about waking me up. I'd like to see it.
And I think a lot of why it happens so much in this house
is because of who I am, what I do, and what I've come
up, you know, what's happened to me over my lifetime from a very
young age. And I think that tracks like like some ah, young I'm
untrained mediums, you know, I like, you know, track this fracture
them like moss around off a lamp or a light bulb. Even though I
am trained and I'm a you know, seventy years experience behind me. I
walk with these things hanging around behind me, you know, just as much
as Yeah. Yeah, I always say, once you've dealt with something that's
really dark and horrendous, you might as well be wearing a banner above your
head saying come and get me. Yeah, because they will. And again
it's not to scare people, because there's very little that's scarce me. No.
I mean my mother told me when I was a little girl. The
living true, not the dead. Irene. I mean I could drive you
crazy, yeah, but for the most part, Yeah, I'm more afraid
of the living than I am anything dead or other. Like I said,
I'm getting away from that concept of dead and dealing with other forces and elemental
and you know, we've talked about this and on different shows when we've talked
to, like with Barry Fitzgerald or other other researchers who talk about all these
other different types of cryptids or energies. You know, there's gin in different
cultures. There's fairy low over there in your country, icelandic elves, the
brown little people in the Carolinas. They're all over the planet. We're sharing
this world with other beings who tend to have properties that we would look at
as supernatural, but really are just natural. It's another force of nature,
and a lot of it is because we've had so much programmed out of us.
Only a few people are like you, are really tuned into it and
can feel it. And there's also so much going on. One of the
things I like to say is the world. I'm kind of paraphrasing Einstein here,
I say the world. He said, the universe is not only stranger
than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine because it is beyond
our human comprehension. And don't forget all this lot also is tied above above
blow different frequencies of energies. Higher vibrational energies tend to be more positive.
Yeah, maybe maybe you have I don't know. Plenty of them, Miranda,
plenty of what you broke up a little bit UFOs well, you know,
and that's what it's above is blow shall I say? And see that's
another subject where the exact there's so many spiritual aspects involved with UFO experiencer.
Like our last guest Lorraine McAdam, who lives over there in the UK.
She said, lifelong experiences and so many of these experiencers that we've interviewed over
the years, and the things that these beings can do remind me a lot
of some of the spiritual things that people have experienced in the fact that they
can present themselves in certain ways. Lorraine talked about this on her show and
in her book, and then I've had a couple of online conversations with her
briefly since now. She earlier in her life was dealing with grace what we
think our of the gray eties, but as she got older it shifted to
what people call the Nordics. Yea, the tall you know, Nordic type
of humans. They're all beautiful, they're all blue eyes and white. Okay,
And this is something that gets me, not not trying to be woke
here, but it's like Okay, well, what about all the other people
on this planet who aren't white. You don't really hear a lot about anybody
else experiencing Nordics, no experiencing other types of alien humans that look like different
races. Why is it Nordics? Why is it white, beautiful white people?
And I'm thinking maybe there's there's a couple of reasons. One, I
think it could be that's not what they really look like. I think they're
presenting a screen memory. People think they're dealing with a very Nordic looking human,
although there's the features white blongs and blue eyes. I reckon blondes up
more funable. Well again, it's a very you know, like Northern European
look. Now that that's one idea, is for the people that they're appearing
to are dealing with Nordics, and who are most of the people that are
seeing them, the the white experiencers. Yeah, okay, Now it's that
makes you think in itself, well, that makes me think one of two
things, two possibilities. And I presented this to to Lorraine and she agreed
it's a possibility. Is the fact that a it's either a screen memory that
that's how they present themselves to her, and they don't really look like that.
But when you feel like you're dealing with a human looking alien, it's
easier for you to relate. That's one. Two. There are supposedly,
supposedly people have postulated that they're like at least fifty different alien species dealing with
humans at this point in time and throughout history, but right now especially,
that aren't because they because they catalog all these experiencers and the types of alien
beings that they've dealt with, and they put together a list. Okay,
so and that list of the differences between these these aliens, they say fifty.
Now does that mean fifty there are these ailings of the beings that we're
talking about in ouns. Yeah, because it's like an elemental type thing.
People who have, let's say, have a ghost my friend who we interview,
I mean, we investigated her home over a number of years, and
eventually I determined that what we were dealing with wasn't a ghost. It was
the land that the house was built on, because there were multiple houses on
the same street having all the same type of activity, So whatever was there
was attached to the land. And one time she woke up in the middle
of the night, saw a white, misty figure across the room by her
dresser, and she must have made a noise because the thing turned and looked
at her. And she told me, Mark, you're gonna think I'm crazy
and I had to coax it out of here. Go what and she goes,
pardon my language, She goes, it was a fucking alien, But
you remember that. I remember that. But there's there was never any type
of alien activity or UFOs or anything like that that presented itself. Yet I've
heard of other stories of people seeing what they would look like grays or look
like similar types of alien beings involved in cases that had absolutely nothing to do
with UFOs. So some of these elemental type of beings can put on that
persona mm hm. They kind of come in and out of our reality a
little bit. Hell, we've done shows on Bigfoot and the supernatural qualities that
some of these Bigfoot encounters have had where their cloak. There was a show
everywhere. Well there's the show that's really popular over here, and I like
the show a lot. It's called Expedition and Bigfoot, where they send out
these three researchers to these different areas and this latest one. They were up
in Alaska, and what really impressed me is at one point the one researcher
who's a former military guy, he's a natural survivalist, and they find this
old mind shaft and they bring in one of those great robotic dog like things
with middle with a light ar system on it that it could walk with four
legs, walks through the mine in places where it'd probably be too dangerous for
people to go. And it had both a light ar scanner and it also
had you know, a regular camera. Two things it caught in that mind
was through the light ar scanner, it scanned this big figure sitting on a
rock. This thing was huge, yet the white the infrared camera showed nothing
there. Then at one point the infrared camera is looking down the shaft and
all of a sudden, and you'll like this, the shimmering effect like something
cloaked move past the camera and that goes right with what you've seen in your
in your garden like it. And and they thought it was a cloaked Now
saying it's a bigfoot is jumping to a conclusion. All of the figures it
is. It is some sort of cloaked apparition. Of some type. I
don't know being of some type. These these creatures that we share the planet
with seem to have abilities that are beyond our human comprehension, but are very
much a part of reality. And again it fosters everything from your fairy lore
to gnomes El's gin, everything across the planet that has supernatural type of qualities
and have been with our culture for thousands and thousands of years. Yeah,
but with these close things now after two visitations by them, is the energy
is so clear be anywhere. If there's one within the vicinity, I feel
it now. Well, hey, it's fall and this is when you typically
hear the Welsh bigfoot howling in the hills. Is bigfoot? You know?
It could be something else. There could be something else. I've only seen
these shimmering things. And it's not just this garden. I have felt the
mouse where, like I say, you become there's some sort of energy in
print. After meeting or coming with them or being with them out there in
that garden, that's left some sort of recognition thing with me. So I
can see them and feel them when they're in the vicinity. You pick up
on their energy and their vibration. Yeah, you know. I even during
the day, I've walked somewhere or been somewhere and I felt it. I
felt this actual, same vibration, the same energy, and I know that
somewhere around me, maybe few footsteps back, maybe even further back, there
is another one. There is one. I don't know, you know,
don't you know? I'm not I don't take any notice of anything anymore.
So it really doesn't worry me. But it's, uh, I don't know.
When you learn these energies and get to know, it's they're like signatures.
You understand they like signatures. You get to know what is what sort
of thing, and you can recognize it by the energy straight away, and
you know there's an inner feeling. Whether it's an inner feeling, it's like
an image in your head or whatever, it's actually what it is. You
know, it's one of them, or it's one of these, or it's
one of those. It's what I'm waffling a bit. Are no, Actually
you're not, because it's pointing out the fact that we are with the theme
of this last part of the show is talking about sharing this planet with other
types of entities that are all around us, and we misinterpret them a lot.
Some are you know, indifferent, some are benevolent, some can be
malevolent. You know, it's just like humans. You have good people,
you have good people, you have bad people. It all depends on intention.
I have noticed a lot with people though. You know, you could
be one and you could be in a supermarket full of people and there's just
one nasty basket case standing very close to it and you can feel that energy,
that bad energy coming from that person. Yep, it's the same sort
of thing. But it gets to the point where you do so many or
you have so many involvements in your life that is, you don't need a
name for anything anymore. You just recognize it by the energy. You know
exactly what it is you're dealing with. Yeah, putting human names to things,
you know, we tend to do that to try to classify things.
And somethings did to classify, isn't it. Yeah, some things are beyond
classification and by our understanding, you know, even like Bigfoot right now,
something there's been a change, a shift in how Bigfoot is perceived. Okay,
yeah, right now. In the past, Bigfoot was always thought of
being this mostly benevolent creature. Very few problems people have ever had with them,
other than some just scary encounters. But now the TV show especially and
a lot of the YouTube channels and everybody, they've shifted. Now all they're
talking about is really negative, life threatening encounters with these creatures, supposedly that
could kill people. Yeah, but then you know, I know, a
big thing is so big where you are and everything, it's not that big
over here. But I don't see it as everybody else sees it, like
this type like creature. I don't see that. When I see anything like
that, or I feel anything like that, I feel the energy that comes
from within it. I feel the essence of the woman saying, I don't
feel and see this big hairy thing walking around, you know, well,
the the close and I have felt a big hairy thing walking around. I
have well, I mean the cloak figures you saw in your garden, those
couples, but they looked really big and humanoid. Yeah, yes, more
the energy and the essence. It's like getting inside of these things when you
are actually working with them. It was like being absorbed into the very being
of the actual creature or the actual being itself. And that's the only way
that you can do the work I do. Well. I mean that last
encounter you had, which was several years ago. Yeah, you felt like,
actually you had some information downloaded. That's right. Yeah, And that
is more than like why the information downloaded that I got or felt I got.
There's more likely this recognition of being able to recognize them when they're ever
within reach of me close by. I don't know. I'm hoping it's that.
I'm hoping it's nothing else, right, But I'm not saying they're bigfoot,
you know, because it's not the same as what you're getting out there
in America where people are seen footprints, you know, that Mike Patterson video
and things like that. It's not like that. That's not I might see
something like that if I went out there, but that's not what I'm seeing
here, and that's not what I'm feeling. There's a lot of different things
out there, and sometimes, as we mentioned earlier, it could present itself
to you in a different form. Yeah, if you're dealing something that's more
energy than matter, energy can be altered, perception can be altered, and
the one thing definitely that can happen is our memories and our perceptions can be
altered. How many times, especially in UFO encounters, people can report seeing
one thing Betty and Barney Hill, one of the one of the very first
abduction cases and back in the sixties, and what they initially saw and then
they went under hypnosis and what they really saw came out, but what they
initially saw looked completely different. Mike Clelland with his book Messengers, he was
focusing on all this owl imagery and people see owls, yeah, sometimes like
a five foot owl standing in the middle of the road, which is impossible.
But yet with these screen memories, you know what kind of looks like
an owl? When you have an alien with the big eyes. You know,
it's even Whitley Strieber's talked about this. You know, it's a screen
memory to either help people cope with things better in the everyday world, that's
how they want to present themselves. Sometimes you'll dismiss it, not knowing that
something strange has happened. And I mean, there's so many different things that
go on in the world right now that we've barely what we've talked about today,
We barely scratched the surface. There are other experiences and so many different
things that happened that just make me question our concept of time reality. There's
multiple dimensions. There was that incident you had not long ago, when you
woke up in the night to go to the bathroom and the time was a
certain time. Then you woke up later on, felt like you had slept
for hours, and you woke up later on, and that time was earlier
than when you woke up the first time. That's right. Yeah, Oh
yeah, I am I'm missing around. Yes, there's true. I went
to the bathroom a certain time. Yeah, it was a certain time night,
I went back to bed, I went to sleep, I felt like
I'd slept the sleep of the day, had a beautiful sleep, woke up
and it was earlier than the time I went to the bathroom. So what
happened there? I went back in time? You went back in time.
Or maybe maybe because this has happened to you before, you've kind of flitted
between realities. Maybe, yeah, that is more than likely the answer,
because maybe you would know that has happened before. Yeah, Well, like
you said, you've you've had we haven't talked about this in a very long
time, but I've been having these sort of things happened to me since oh
my early twenties when I was living with a boy in Crystal Palace. Where
I was living with a boy, I was living with his family in Crystal
Palace in a beautiful old Red Waldean house, very very big house. And
when I walked into that room, which I've been in so many times before,
and the whole room was different, the wallpaper, everything was different about
it. They've gone back in time. But what I actually did then was
looked down at my shoes. I looked down and for some reason, I
looked down at my shoes. And then as soon as I looked I seen
my shoes. I looked up again, and the room was back to normal.
You have told me in the past. I don't know if this has
ever happened in the last few years, but several years back you had mentioned
about interacting with a different version of me. Yes, that's true, Smokey
Joe. Yeah, you interacted with a mark that smoked, that smoked.
Yeah. And this is another thing that's strange. It's always something different when
you do have these experiences. You know there is something that doesn't quite fit.
And the cigarettes did not fit you. No, you don't smoke,
but it stood out because that was one thing that stood out to me when
I had that experience was the fact that you had a cigarette. What I'd
be curious about, what I should have asked you about, is when you
had that experience, what the heck were we talking about? I remember,
Now it's such a long time ago, I know, so if it ever
happens again, but I'll tell you off I smoke and see reps have told
me many a time when I did. Yeah, it goes with this other
concept about time. And there's a popular, not a popular theory. There
is a theory out there that there are multiple dimensions and we are living multiple
lifetimes at once different versions. Everything is slightly different multiple This is where the
multiverse comes in. This is where your cigarette came in. Yeah, everything
is slightly different. It could have been it could have been somebody that normally
wears glasses all the time in this world or in this dimension, and in
that dimension wasn't wearing any glasses. And it's that is like the trigger that
sticks out. I remember reading a story once about a woman who she had
a job. She went to work, she specific office and whatnot, and
then one day when she got up to go to work, she found everything
different. Her office was a different number, she was in a different department.
There were all these different subtle changes, like maybe she didn't physically go
from one one mentioned into another, but maybe her consciousness did, and her
consciousness transversed over from one reality to another. There used to be this show,
it's many many years ago, that was on American television called Sliders.
Oh, I remember that that did come over. Yeah, and I bullshit,
I never really watched it too, But I know of the show,
and I know the main concept of the show is every week it wasn't time
travel. They were slipping between dimensions, jumping, and every dimension was a
slightly different variation of Earth some of the time. Sometimes the changes were really
big, sometimes they were minor. But it's all these different layers happening at
once. There was also that guy tell you what, I wish I'd watched
that now. I know it used to come on the television. You see
the trailer every now and then come up for it. I never really felt
like watching it me either at the time. But there's another There's a great
Danny Boyle movie came out a couple of years ago called Yesterday and Yeah,
and it focuses on this guy who this British guy who has he he's a
failing musician. His girlfriend believes in him, but he's really going nowhere.
And then he gets hit by a car and he wakes up and everything seems
normal until he starts to realize the little differences. And the main difference of
the movie was the Beatles never existed. So I just say that he started
writing their music, well, he started taking their music and presenting it as
his own, and then he becomes this big star. Ed Sheeran's in it
playing himself. But then what was funny about it was there were all these
other little differences in this reality. It wasn't just the fact that the Beatles
never existed. But it's like one time he said, oh my god,
I really could go for a cigarette right now, and his girlfriend looks at
him and goes, what's a cigarette? They didn't exist in that world.
And again a parallel reality with slight differences, just like you seeing me smoking
and I don't smoke. Sometimes there's big differences. I mean, oh my
god. Reality is so freaking strange, way stranger than we ever can conceive
of because we have been brought up to think of things in a certain very
narrow view of vision. Yeah, I've used this analogy before. It's like
the electromagnetic spectrum. We see a sliver of what we call visible light that
our eyes can perceive, and yet the electromagnetic spectrum stretches out almost to infinity
in both directions, between the infrared on one end, the ultra violet on
the other, X rays, gamma rays, all these other things. But
they're all part of the electromme magnetic spectrum. But we can only perceive with
our senses a very very small amount, but yet everything is out there.
Another analogy radio. You can have a radio playing a station and it's playing
music, and then you could change the station to listen to something else,
And what you're doing is you're either going higher in frequency or lower in frequency,
switching from AM to FM, which all works with different frequencies and modulations.
But in reality, every single one of those stations is all playing at
once, and you're only tuned into one. And I feel like that's where
we mostly are in this reality. We're mostly tuned. Most of us are
tuned into just this reality. Some people like you, can tune into the
other realities or some of the other realities. I think it could be infinite
beyond again, beyond our human comprehension human human mm hmm, that's right,
you're not. I don't know. I agree with you there. And the
mind really was that the mind, it's so small. What we can,
what we do comprehend is such a mid new part of what the mind is
able to accomplish. And we misinterpret it. Yeah, we misinterpret it.
We can't read it right. And there is so much more that the mind,
the actual mind can do. That's just what I want to say,
is in a couple of weeks time, we're going to be doing a show
with Andy Versa. No, I know Andrew doing something with Tolper's, whether
he's writing a book or he did mention the other day that he's doing something
with Tolper's. And I think it would be absolutely great to have a fault
on Tolper's when we've got Andy on here, because you know what Tolbera is
sent to him being and yeah, it's a thoughtful manager created by the mind,
visualization and such so, and it would be absolutely great because you know,
I would love myself to try and create Toulper, to study a Tolper
and he's writing a book. I think, I'm sure. I'm sure he
said he's writing a book on Tolper's at the moment. Well, you wrote
the novel where Demon's dwell, and one of the aspects of that was was
the sorcerer priest. Whatever it was creating a tulpa that was doing is bidding
and in a negative way. But right, the danger of creating a tulpa
is, you know, again, whatever your intentions are creating it, whatever
you're putting them out there, is going to come back to you. This
is it. This is what you've got to be very mindful of. You
know, if you create a top, if you're able to create a teller
park, right, then you're could either use it for good not for bad,
because, like you say, what goes out comes back. And I
would honestly like to investigate the ring more because I think that has tied in
somewhere along these lines well, you know, and that we could probably saved
for our next discussion. But you know, actually coming over there holding the
ring, wearing the ring, now, I didn't feel the energy like you
do. I did find it very interesting that it fit my finger perfectly,
a lot bigger than I am. It changed, it changed its size to
fit me, kind of like the one ring in the Lord of the Rings
movies. You know, this damn thing seems to be able to change its
shape depending on who's gonna wear it. Well, when I got that ring
sixty years ago, when it came into my possession, I was a size
eight, a young slip of a thing, and the ring fitted me.
Now I'm a lot bigger. I'm not gonna say how big I am.
So I was fourteen British eyes, but the ring still fits me. Yeah,
your fingers are bigger, you know, with age, but they are,
yeah, the same finger. It goes on the same finger, and
you know, it goes on its lips on easy and then it tightens to
feat your finger. It seems to adjust itself. And see, that's going
to be a whole other topic we could talk about. Is were you able
to get it off an easy mark? I can't remember. Yeah, it
came right on and off. But when it was on, it stayed on.
I mean, it wasn't too loose, it wasn't too tight. It
was perfect, Yeah, which I found to be amazing. And you know,
the idea of energies being attached to inanimate objects fascinates me. Psychometry,
which that's what you should have done. You should have done a little bit
of psychometry, or to be honest with you, I tried, but I
think, look, everything I'm going on better without a glass of red.
Why yeah. But it's also everything that I've been through the last years has
shut me down and I'm trying to re open back up. So at that
time I wasn't ready, i think, to be able to feel energies like
that. But there's obviously something attached to that ring. And you know,
there's the idea of objects holding onto energy, whether it's positive or negative.
So that's a whole other subject we can bring up next time and talk and
talk with Andy about, because you know, that could fit in with the
conversation of tulpus because we're we are talking about energy here. Mm hmm.
So we've had a telpa caset, remember two of us, that young girl
in the north of Wales. Oh yes, because oh she was pissed at
us when we told the truth. She did not want to hear it.
She wanted it to be a ghost, And it turns out she was creating
it with her own mind all the things she was seeing was based off of
what other people told her it was, or even her boyfriend was there was
seeing stuff, but I think he was feeding into it too. Yeah.
And also when you think about this, this is all tied in a politigized
activity. It's all created, so they say, by the mind. Well,
sometimes it could be an external Well, sometimes it's an external force like
these elementals that we talked about earlier. And sometimes it could be a product
of the mind. No, sorry, And it doesn't have to be a
young adolessent girl or anything like that, or young boy. It can be
an old woman, an old man, problems anyone. That's That was the
old old definition way back in the day, and things have progressed a lot
farther since then. So could they be tiding? Could Ala actually be a
poltergeist? I think polterguys that like activity. But I don't think it's a
Tulpa is responsible for all poltergeist activity, because sometimes there are outside energies and
you've done there are, yes, sure, right, there are outside energies.
It's like when I moved into this house and the money piled up in
the kitchen. That's written it. I've written about it in my book Life
among the Spirits, well ash, but my daughter in law threw on top
of the refrigerator, which was all over the bloody place. But when I
came out down in the morning, when we came downstairs into the kitchen in
the morning, it was piled on top of each other like a perfect perfect
from the biggest coins at the bottom to the smallest at the top, and
they was so centralized on top of each other coins underneath. It was unbelievable
when all the queen's hastes were the same side up. Well, I've had
three cases of what you could call Poulter guess activity. Two that happened in
this house the day of my wife's funeral when I found the quarter lying in
the middle of the guest room bed. Yeah, there was no quarter ever
there ever there. It could have been in a pool, the pardon in
mind, I said, it could have been in a port, something that
comes from out of nowhere. Yes, well, again it may not be
exactly poultry guist activity, but the coin was there, and it was tails
up, and it was the state that she hated the most because of situations
in our past. But it was a clear message. Then there was the
time my wallet disappeared. Oh yes, I tore the house apart looking for
my wallet, freaking out, thinking I lost it somewhere. I tore everything,
every drawer, everything in the house, knowing that it shouldn't be anywhere
other than where I last put it, which was gone. And then I
decided, Okay, I'm going to search again, and I immediately found it
in a drawer that I I had previously served wasn't there. And then about
fifteen years ago, there was a case I was working on in a house
that was very active, where quarters were just materializing out of nowhere and dropping
to the floor. I tell you what, I wish that was happening here,
but this sort of thing happens here. I was having stones thrown at
me in the hallway. They were just flying just me down there in the
hallway out there on my own, stones would fly at me. They would
always miss me. Another time, there was a crowd of us in the
kitchen, as you get in the kitchen because it's the heart of the house,
and I was leaning against the radiator and a stone come out through the
ceiling and drop down the radiator onto the floor behind me, dropped down behind
the radiator came out on the floor behind me. I never get caughters,
I get bloody stones. Well, I mean it's it was like fifteen years
between incidents and there was only one quarter. But then there's the wallet.
But I haven't had anything happen since except the occasional bang. Everybody saw this.
Everybody saw this stone come out through the ceiling and drop behind me,
everybody that was in the kitchen that day. But we just carried on.
If I don't take any notice in this thing, and if I don't take
any notice, no one else takes any notice, right right, Well,
you know, there is so much that we can go over, and we
are going to do more shows like this because I think it's it's great having
guests on and talking about their experiences their theories. But you and I have
experienced so much over the last ten years plus all of your years of research
and experience, all the things that have happened to me in my life,
So which is formed, you know, and it's constantly changing my thoughts and
my understanding of reality is constantly being updated. And we're going to have a
book on it. Yeah, we are going to have a book on it.
I got to get off my button, start writing, and you and
I need to talk more to see what's going to go in it. So
and in a couple of weeks time, people, we will be having Andy
Mercer on and hopefully we'll be talking about politicalist activity and talpers tulpers and Andy
is an expert in the occult too, so I'm sure there's lots of great
things we can talk about. Yeah and yeah, and he's one of my
favorites. Andy works for the Paronormal UK Radio Network as a producer. So
we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. This has been a fantastic
discussion. We should be doing more of these and we will. I hope
that you all enjoyed this and learn some things. So tune in next time
for another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio
Network. Oh what about my website? Well, you have your website at
ireneallen block dot com, iron Block bloc. Yes, with your books,
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