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What's he throughout the impossible or whatever
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true? Then it is not a
question of the libero cultism. What a

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touch of mysticism is today? It
is empires. There's a host of them

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souls. Hello, Pops, thy
father, spirit dud for a certain termed

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moorg than night. Yeah, the
old gods aren't dead? And what is

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the true God? When he's dead? You can't complain. People assume the

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time is a strict progression of cause
to effect, but actually from a nonlinear,

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non subjective viewpoint, it's more like
a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy

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wymy stuff. You're listening to Paranormal
UK Radio. Hi everybody, This is

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Iron Adam, the host to the
Paranormal UK Radio show. It's the flagship

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show to the Paranormal UK Radio network. And yes, I know who are

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you? Marky Johnson, Mark Johnson, Mark Johnson. Yay. I love

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that I have to constantly remind you
who I am after ten years, so

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does my husband. Oh you're reminding
him who I am to Oh, well,

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you know, welcome back. I
know, due to some illness and

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other busy things, you haven't been
able to have been on the last couple

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of shows. So I think it's
fitting for our last couple of shows of

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the year that your butt is here. Yeah, it's to change. Yeah,

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now we're getting back to base,
expect to where we should be.

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Yeah. No, as we're looking
at each other over video and I've never

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done the show looking at your face
before, and I can't do the show.

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I just can't handle it. I
No, I can't smart Johnson.

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You'll get it, you'll not.
We remember we did it sitting across the

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table from each other when I was
there. That was different when we were

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in the old blub What was it
called against Swan, wasn't it? No,

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I was sitting in your dining room. Remember we recorded a show together.

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Oh yeah, that's different as well, because you were physically here.

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Yeah. And if you annoyed me, I could have give you a kick

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under the table. Well you can
give me a virtual kick under the table.

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That's fine, Okay, whatever suits
your fancy. Oh that's a bit

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English, isn't it. Yes?
It is. I spent enough time with

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you and around you that you know
I pick up the English sayings. Is

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that? How mug? Whatever you've
got there? Is that big enough,

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not nearly that it's like a flower
bars massive. Yeah, that's the whole

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point less fewer trips to the to
the coffee machine. But surely by the

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time you get to the bottom of
the coffee is cold. You know,

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it's okay, I like it.
It's certainly bigger than a teacup anyway.

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No, that's true, because otherwise
I'd be like and they'd be gone.

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Yeah, it's like a bucket.
Oh lord. So here we are in

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November. We have the holidays coming
up quickly. Now do you all have

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your own version of like Thanksgiving?
I don't know, no, not really.

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There are some people that it is
in small areas. I suppose there

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are some people that are doing something
similar. But oh, because we have

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Thanksgiving next Thursday. Uh, actually
that would be the day after this episode

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posts. And you know, it's
always a big family thing over here.

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People eat way too much, specifically
turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and gravy,

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my favorites. That's the sort of
thing we eat at Christmas. You

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know, it would be absolutely stupid
tweet it late November and then again in

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Christmas. We'll see. With my
wife's family, Yeah, they do.

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My mother in law makes Christmas lasagna. Son, Yeah, okay, And

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it is like does she put a
bit of holly on it or something?

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No? No, but she makes
so much. It's so thick and heavy

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and so filled with cheese. I
mean a slice weighs like a pound.

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And this is Christmas dinner for you. This is Christmas dinner at her house.

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Yes, you have not lived,
boy, you really have not lived.

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No. I haven't had an English
Christmas, so I always want to

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experience one one day. Mmm,
typical English Christmas. I suppose on Christmas

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days like turkey leave ham going,
you know, mm hmm, and brush

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and sprouts with bacon and or guardians
as they call them or whatever. Funny

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roast carrots and parsnips, roast potatoes
very very fluffy. His be roast potatoes.

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Bread pudding, not bread pudding that
bread puddings anytime year, Christmas pudding

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or plum pudding. I make my
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sitting there waiting. It'll last the
month and a half. Oh yeah,

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easy. It's in a silk container
in the fridge. Cool. And Christmas

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cake should make Christmas cakes, say
around about the end of October. The

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beginning and by you keep feeding them
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of rump up until Christmas, or
up until your ice them and decorate them.

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And uh, you know you can
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The more alcohol the better, especially
would deal with family. Yeah,

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I make two Christmas cakes every year, traditional Christmas cakes, one for myself

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or one for me you know this
family, my family and one for my

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son and his family. And you've
got in it stout rum and brad but

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very moist and gets you drunk in
no time. And the let's just put

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in I remember as a child,
you know, absolutely knocking my brother away

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off of his chair at the table, trying to get into his bowl.

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If my bowl did not contain in
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wrapped in it, which Mum always
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I pig around in my bowl quickly
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I'll give him a quick side swipe. He'll be off the back of his

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chair and I'll be in his puddy. Well, for those who aren't following

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me on Facebook, you'll know that
last week I did something very very last

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minute, not planned, impromptun spur
spur. At the moment, wasn't it?

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Well, you know, it hit
me. I was. It was

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Tuesday night and I couldn't sleep as
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hours, and then I remembered that
Saturday was my mother's birthday. It was

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there going to be your eighty seventh
birthday day. But my mother lives in

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Colorado, along with my brother and
the rest of the family. And it

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hit me. It's like, I've
got nothing going on here. I'm out

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of work, and what else was
I going to do the next few days

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but sit around? So I well, I was having my car service the

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next day anyway, which actually worked
out good because I was getting an oil

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changed, hire rotation, so my
car was all ready to hit the road.

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So Thursday, I got up early, started driving cross country. Drove

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eighteen hours the first day because there
was some road closures. I had to

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be detoured ten eleven hours the next
day. But I got to my mother's

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Friday afternoon, and then I've never
really surprised anybody before, so this was

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so cool. So I go up
to my mother lives in a senior facility,

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so I go up to her apartment. I stand outside her door and

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I call her up on the phone. She answers, and I just say,

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hey, what you doing? And
she said, oh, I'm here

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working on a puzzle. And so
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I know tomorrow's your birthday, but
I'm calling you a day early because I

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had ordered you a birthday present and
I just received notification that it was delivered

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and it's right outside your door.
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well let me go look. So
she goes to the door, opens it

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up, and there I am standing
there with some flowers saying happy birthday,

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and her jaw about hit the floor
in shock, and she goes, what

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are you doing here? I go, Happy birthday, and she hugged me.

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And my mother is the most unemotional
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show much emotion. And she broke
down crying. Also. It only lasted

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a few seconds and then she was
back to herself, but she was so

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thrilled and happy and surprised. It
was it was totally worth it. Yeah,

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it's a beautiful thing to do.
Yeah. And then the next day

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is when everybody else came over,
which everybody else was in on it.

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She was the only one who didn't
know. And we had a very lovely

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birthday for her, and with all
of her grand great grandkilled children and one

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grandson and her other her two boys
together, you know. So that's what

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she always loves, is family being
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she got that for her birthday.
And I was only planning on staying through

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the weekend and driving home. But
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I was like, what am I
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out of work. So I stayed
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known that. We were talking a
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Is how different everything is. The
energy being out of this house. And

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the whole time that I left the
house was on the road. The whole

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time I was out there in Colorado, I felt perfectly fine. All the

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weight was lifted. All the little
bit of depression I've been feeling, or

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grief raining, all this other stuff
I've been dealing with all year long gone.

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It was the same way I felt
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in August in England. Mm hmmm, Well, it doesn't matter. It's

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being out of this house. It's
giving me a lot to think about it.

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I might have to sell this house
just to get out of here,

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because I think there's just too much
past here and it's messing with my head.

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So I don't know where I'm gonna
go. I'm still not They all

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want me to move out there and
heartbeat, and I'm not convinced of it

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yet. Now I want you to
move here. Sure, I'll be right

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over. Yeah. True? How
long was it? But when you got

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back before the atmosphere started to change
again in the house again, like this

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time a few days nnagers started to
go down. Well, my positive energy

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started going down, and then I
started getting the bad days of depression again.

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And now that i've been back since
this past I got back in Saturday

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night and it's Wednesday that we're recording
this, so it's been about four days

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and I'm feeling it again. So
you know it, it's it's too much

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troull We're in that house. Too
much trouble has happened. I think it's

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hung on to it. I think, so it's too much of a reminder

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I need. I need to get
out and I just need to figure out

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where I'm going to go. I
could sell the house. Yeah, But

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like I said, I've been out
to Colorado and around my family and and

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it's beautiful out there, but it's
it's a completely different environment. I still

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have some issues and philosophical differences with
my family over some important things. And

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while guilt, I think is one
of the things driving me. Because my

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mother's eighty seven, she's just getting
older and while she's still pretty healthy,

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anything happens in a couple of years, she may need help, and so

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I feel like, you know,
a part of me feels like I should

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be there to help, and yet
at the same time, these last however

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many years, I feel like I've
been giving up too much of myself to

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other people and not living my life
for me. It's one thing to be

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there for family, but it's another
thing when you've given up so much.

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And I know, moving out there
there's a lot I would have to give

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up, and no offense to my
family. Maybe this is extreme, being

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extremely selfish, people can comment on
it. I'm kind of tired, you

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know, I have limited years left
on my own life, and there's a

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few things I'd like to kind of
do with it. So I'm not sure.

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I mean, as I mentioned before, I'm not ready to go rush

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out and get a job at the
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into my career burnout. You've got
a lot of thinking to do, ah,

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yes, thinking. I have plenty
of time to do that. It's

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right now. What I'm doing is
kind of I'm waiting to get through the

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holidays, and I'm kind of waiting
for inspiration to hit because i feel like

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when whenever or wherever I'm meant to
go and timing, it'll come up.

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No. Oh yeah, yep.
Well, getting back to the house,

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since you've been there, have you
heard any bangs or strange noises? Well,

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not since I've been back this time, but I have heard over the

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last few months lots of bangs,
unexplained bangs. Uh. I thought I

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heard voices once. That was a
while ago. Now I do not believe

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my wife is here at all.
No, I don't. I think some

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things have come in. Maybe maybe
some things are being attached or attracted to,

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you know, my emotional state.
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also you've got to think about the
actual fear and trauma that she went through

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in those last moments. What could
have been dragged in then, also with

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your depression and everything that you went
through afterwards. Yeah, there's no there

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is no way she is in that
house. No, No, I know

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she's not. I know in my
heart people think and she's not giving you

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any special signs here. She gave
me one. Yeah, that was enough.

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That's all you needed. That was
enough. It was It was a

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goodbye. She inserted herself in my
dream, that's right. That's what I

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find so funny about that. That
situation is because I was having a typical

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anxiety dream that had absolutely nothing to
do with anything. And then it was

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like somebody like watching something on TV
in your DVR, and somebody pressed pause

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and the whole dream paused, and
she was there, crystal clear. And

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I don't know if I've mentioned this
on air before, but she looked amazingly

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beautiful. She looked twenty years younger, and she was wearing a red dress,

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which red was her favorite. Her
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she was angelic, looked effing gorgeous, and all she said to me she

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looked at me with a smile and
she said, how can I help Now.

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I've always pondered what that meant because
there was a television show over here

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called New Providence, which just ended, and one of the big catchphrases on

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that show as doctors and whatnot,
and the main doctor always saying how can

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I help? So I don't know
if it came from that or what,

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you know, in my grief,
I looked at her and said, well,

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you could still be here. But
then at that point the dream shifted.

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She was gone, and I went
right back into my crazy anxiety dream,

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which I don't remember much of it
all, but man, I remember

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that insertation, and I just think
it was her way of saying goodbye.

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Do you ever do you ever talk
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the time. Yes, I talked
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heck I think is listening or might
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I have no freaking idea you know
who's listening. I mean, I'm not

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that in tune. So you know, you just you say things like if

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you're doing something, what do you
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of thing. Bars. Sometimes it's
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at home. It's usually if i'm
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house and driving, and especially when
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and then I'll talk, and I'll
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include Sherry, you know, I'll
include my brother who passed. Basically anybody

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who can like help or give me
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because I do have some decisions to
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try to talk it through. I
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ever went out there, things were
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out last May, which were horrible, but I was in a really bad

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mental and emotional place, so so
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of a couple of shows back now. She is very much into shamanism,

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and I studied some shamanism, so
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I had a lot to talk about. And you know, when I hear

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people talking about how in tune they
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is there for her and this guy
and that whatever, and I'm sitting there

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going well, at least you know
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know. I'm not in tune now. The one nice thing about my trip

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was I got to hook up again
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and it was wonderful seeing it again. It was a beautiful evening. It

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was short. My one teacher rocks
in years ago, she had a car

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accident which gave her a traumatic brain
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every now and then she'll fade quickly. And I knew she was fading,

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so I left early because I didn't
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she was fading fast. But we
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a great talk. She even did
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fighting. By fighting fast, you
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yeah, That's why they wanted an
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in the evenings very quickly. Now
they've retired since COVID, they used to

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do all the trainings for shamanic practitioners. They used to do these journey groups

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a couple times a month, and
but all of that thing now they're both

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more elderly now and after COVID.
They just decided to retire fully, but

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it was still nice being around them
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So again now it's just figuring out

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life. Mm hmm. You get
there. So our listeners are sitting there

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going, Okay, what's the point
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no guests tonight, is this is
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this is we are very very close
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we talk on the radio or whether
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for each other and we're always listening
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it. Well, you're a sister, so h yes, so yes,

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those sister Yeah m hm, it's
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story though, isn't it. Yeah, we've told that story before, so

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yeah, so that's fine. But
you know, it's like there's so much

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that the talk about in so many
different things that are going on between everything

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going on in the world. And
you know what I've been I've been following

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a lot of other people in their
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had on and you know, I
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different concepts out there, and yet
I feel and this by no means disparages

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any of our recent guests, recent
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we get people who come on the
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I feel we know more than they
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And it's fine for people to come
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guests, and we let them talk
and share their experiences, and sometimes I'll

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admit I don't agree with them,
but then there's times when we can learn

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from them exactly. It's both ways. Sometimes I disagree with somebody to think,

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no, you've got that all wrong, or you only have a rudimentary

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knowledge of something, and then there
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you know, we do learn,
and that's the human experience too.

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There is no one person out there
that knows everything, and we're all here

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to experience and learn and that's what
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one of the big lessons that I
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life experience. And when people who
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a tragic family loss like me,
A couple of them actually, and you

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know, some people get mad and
they go, why would God do this

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or why would God allow this?
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values, you know, they think, well, God giveth, God taketh

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away. It's like, no,
it's we're here to learn. We're here

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to experience, you know, I
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and our spirits, which are eternal, we're here temporarily. And yes,

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I believe in reincarnation for the simple
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you're experiencing different things. Unless you
choose not to learn the lesson, then

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you might have to come back and
do it all over again. Oh my

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god, I'm going to be back
a few times. Then, you know,

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sometimes you will, sometimes you won't
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earlier in life, but then you
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is what I think has happened to
me. My wife passing away tragic.

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Yes I'm grieving, Yes I miss
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it like that chapter is over and
now a new door has been opened,

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and I have to look back.
I have to learn that. Look,

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there are bad times and good times. There were some really bad times there

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were things like when any marriage you
disagree with each other. There were things

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I didn't like, and I went
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But now I've kind of taken a
big step back and realized, Look,

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it's all a learning experience acceptance.
It's living in acceptance. Yes,

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you know, it's the same thing
like with my family. There's things with

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my family that I absolutely disagree with
and couldn't disagree with more. But and

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I was angry with them for a
long time. But you know, you

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can't. Anger isn't going to help
anything. And sometimes people, when you

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can't change them, they have to
live their own lives. You have to

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live in acceptance knowing that they're going
to be who they're going to be,

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and you have to concentrate on yourself. Just be the best version of yourself.

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You know. I've always had a
desire to work with people and do

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some positive things and help people,
and so that's it feels like that's my

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mission in life. Now. Where
I'm going to go with that, I

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don't know, but still working.
What do you think my mission in life

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is to be an encouragible pain in
the ass? Oh gosh, Oh you

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are incorrigible, that's for sure.
What is really truthfully now? No missing,

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no missing, no jee. Okay, Well, take a look at

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your life. What have you done
in life up to now? And you've

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used your gifts sometimes in helping others
with running Spirit Riscue International for so many

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years. But you know, sometimes
you also backed a way to focus on

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yourself too, because sometimes you know, you go through different phases in your

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life and some of the things you
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of it and you didn't want that. And you know you're basically retired,

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but you still have a lot to
give and to learn too. Now,

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you know, we don't talk about
most of it goes on with you and

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you keep that private and that's perfectly
fine. Although I still want to work

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on that book. Well, I
keep it brighter because I think I'd absolutely

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terrify a lot of people if I
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depends on how it's processed and how
it's put out there, in what you

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want to put out there, because
you know, there's the one thing I

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have learned from you, and I
think a lot of your purpose has been

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working with me and training me because
I've learned so much from you over these

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years. You might call me almost
yes, yes, master, yeah,

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righta gross up. Ah. I
like to think I've taught you one or

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two things here and there. It
much, but a few I have to

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think, I'll have to think.
I expect you have. But I think

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we've had a journey together where we've
both learned a lot of things together.

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We've we worked on new concepts that
were totally alien to me a few years

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ago, and a lot of the
stuff that we've talked about was never heard

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of in the world of the paranormal
before, and now all of a sudden,

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the people are coming out and claiming
it as there's the idea of we

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don't care because we don't need any
gratification for it anyway. But yeah,

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we were talking about parallel realities.
You know. Now now in the movies,

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everything is about the multiverse. You
know, all these all these sci

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fi movies are marvel and detail going
on about that what sixty seventy years ago,

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Yeah, quite seventy years ago,
but sixty sixty Yeah, about sixty

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years ago, I'm talking. And
my big thing has always been that reality

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as we know it, as we've
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It's not reality. It's our limited
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by dogma, whether it's societal dogma, religious dogma, and trying to break

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people out of the mold to think
outside of the box. If it threatens

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their paradigm, they'll fight it tooth
and now, oh they will. They'll

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attack you over it. You know, you and I have had some really

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mind blowing discussions, especially about some
of your experiences and it. You know,

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like as you mentioned, it's it's
becoming more mainstream now and yet still

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the average person mostly doesn't know about
it. People involved in the paranormal and

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what's still bodied. You know,
Mark, I put stuff in that book.

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Within a year or two it was
out in mainstream as if people were

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discover in that. And that's your
first book, Life among the Spirits,

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that's the one, your autobiography,
which I feel that we're due for a

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sequel, Yeah, because there's a
lot you didn't talk about in that book,

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and there's a lot of experiences you
and I have had since that's right,

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we have. Yeah, So and
you know what, I'm struggling with

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a lot of things, a lot
of old time concepts. Look, I'm

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soh my god, that don't isn't
old time concepts. Nothing is not that

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well when you deal with, let's
say, all of these paranormal shows,

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which are very popular now, and
they've been they've been this way for well

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over fifteen years. And I remember
when they first started, and it's what

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got me into I mean, I
was into ghost hunting before the first ghost

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hunting shows came out. I don't
consider myself a ghost hunter anymore. It's

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it's an Yeah, even the term
paranormal researcher doesn't really fit me anymore because

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most of these shows they have it
dead wrong. They're still working with Victorian

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era ideas of spiritualism. Everything here
in America is a freaking demon, which

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is wrong. Oh my god.
Ghost Adventures just did another demonic episode where

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they brought an exorcist to Oh yeah
it wasn't me. Yeah it wasn't you.

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No exist, but it wasn't me. They focus so much on the

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negative and and again, like you
just mentioned, the whole concept of ghosts

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has changed for me, and I
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of peoples of human spirits not moving
forward or being stuck. No,

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no, and the word goes and
things like that. You know, that's

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just a human words, so that
you can understand what they think they're seeing.

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The ghosts. No, you don't
exist, not in that way.

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Well, you know, I'm fascinated
with and I've been watching online a lot

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of there's several channels out there about
near death experiences, and people who have

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had their near death experiences go over
to the other side temporarily. Now here's

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what's funny. Everybody's experience in a
lot of ways is different, and in

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a lot of other ways is very
similar. But everybody who's had these experiences,

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they're not just wandering around their hospital
room or feeling stuck or having to

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stay home. They all come back
and ninety five percent of them or more

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talk about insanely beautiful positive experiences.
Religious people tend to see religious figures.

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So many people talk about seeing Jesus. Some people talk about meeting directly with

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God or past relatives, past relatives, and in a lot of these cases,

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and this is how I feel about
ghosts, and heck, in some

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cases, that's how I feel about
uh ET experiencers. Is a lot of

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the information, a lot of what
they're experiencing is kind of what I would

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call screen memory, or it's it's
being presented in such a way. Their

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experience is being tailored in such a
way that it's not exactly true. Not

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saying that people are being deceived,
but I think that people are shown what

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they need to be shown in order
to take tea, in order to learn

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a lesson. Do I think that
they've met Jesus? Maybe maybe not.

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as Jesus, because that will get their

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attention, yes, and they'll listen
to that, and then they'll feel that

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love and they'll feel all that positive
energy. But then they'll listen and they

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get excited because they got to meet
Jesus, or they even having a conversation

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with God, who seems like a
regular person when they talk to him.

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But I think that the experience and
they're all different, whether they go to

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a beautiful city where it's in a
field of flowers, or whether it's in

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some different areas that are just kind
of beyond their comprehension. But that's the

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problem. When they start talking about
so many human terms, that's when I

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start to think that, you know, that's what their minds can comprehend when

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they come back because the other concepts
are just beyond the human mind's ability to

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translate. And so I think you're
right there, because look at some of

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the stuff I've come out with in
the past, You've had to take real

409
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:29,559
time to think what they're talking about. When when things have been passed on

410
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:36,760
to you, mm hmmm are you
talking about? What are you talking about?

411
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,840
I think, well, they're not
there. Yeah, well knows what

412
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,880
I call them up there? But
you know, this is it. The

413
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,880
human mind can only take in so
much information, and what they are being

414
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:59,760
given is well beyond their comprehension that
what their mind can handle. So they're

415
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:10,280
even an experience that they can relate
in human terms when talking to other people

416
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,039
about it, you know. And
they all seem to come back and write

417
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:23,320
a book, yes, you know, seven osle things. Yeah, and

418
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,679
and it's it's it's funny. Let's
get back to our original idea of ghosts,

419
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:37,360
which we've mentioned this before. Do
I feel that there are ghosts of

420
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:44,679
human spirits wandering around not crossing over? Yes, but it is extremely rare

421
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:51,599
because I think most people cross over, and I think that a lot of

422
00:42:51,639 --> 00:43:00,199
what we say, ah, different
forms of energy, different forms of beings

423
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:12,719
that can give you what you expect
to see here, Herbert, Annie amrah,

424
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,199
I expect to see them in this
house. Doesn't mean to say it.

425
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,119
Because of that very very first vision
of Annie standing in that bedroom looking

426
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:30,599
at the window. I now expect
to see, uh, those them,

427
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,159
them forms in this house. And
now it's I've learned their energy. I've

428
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,840
learned. Ah, it's like a
there's smell everything about them. I've learned

429
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:50,559
pick up on right. But but
I don't believe it's them. They're down

430
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:55,360
there in the graveyard. I do
yeah, I do not. And wherever

431
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,039
they go, if they go anywhere
afterwards, I do not believe that these

432
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:07,559
energies that wander and flash through this
house are them. And that's why every

433
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,000
now and then I pick up her
from one, because they're not giving off

434
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:21,320
that energy of Herbert. Occasionally I'll
get something else. You even got smells

435
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,119
in this house? Well, yeah, when I was there, it's at

436
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:30,639
one point it smelled like wacky backy
h my wacky baggy ghoes down. Yeah,

437
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,280
and I smell this pungent thing.
I'm going, what the hell is

438
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
it? NOA, And I talked
to you about it, but then after

439
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,480
a few minutes it went away and
never came back. Oh, it has

440
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:45,599
been back a couple of times,
but it's only every now, every now

441
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,840
and then. But I'm not sure
whether that is WAKYBACKI or whether it's an

442
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,440
old fashioned tobacco. You know,
that's very very sweet. Yeah, what

443
00:44:53,960 --> 00:45:02,920
might have called it something rather?
But the point is when that when they

444
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,920
are passing me, or when I'm
I walk into a room and they are

445
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,400
there, I can detect them by
their energy, by the smell or whatever's

446
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:21,320
get enough what I'm seeing right,
mm hmm. But occasionally it's like they

447
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,960
slip up and they go past me. But there they go past me with

448
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:34,360
their own telltale signs or whatever you
call it. And do you understand what

449
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,679
I mean, Yes, I'm picking
up on something different unless when I know

450
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,639
so. Last night I walked into
the bathroom. Oh my gosh, it

451
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,840
was full of the whole I've got
to tell Brian this. I forgot to

452
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,760
tell them today. It's three o'clock, quarter past three in the morning.

453
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,199
I walked in there and it smelled
like a blooming hospital in the bathroom.

454
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:07,880
Hm hmm, like any step huh. Well, you know, when we're

455
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,920
talking about what we think of could
be ghosts, I mean we have to

456
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:22,440
acknowledge the fact that there are other
types of entities that are on this planet

457
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:30,239
and even work within our spiritual plane, and they are not amongst us.

458
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,480
They're amongst us and they're not above
I look at them as shape shifters too,

459
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:42,360
because they can take on whatever persona
they want. Shape shift is tricksters,

460
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,000
yeah, and it's just because you
use the word trickster does not necessarily

461
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:55,119
mean they're bad, but they but
they can make you think that there's your

462
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,119
house is still a loved one is
still in that house. Now, that

463
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:08,400
does not rule out actual visitations,
because I believe my dream with Sherry was

464
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:15,440
an visitation and it was a goodbye. And I had the same thing with

465
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:21,599
my brother not long after he passed. I had almost the exact same kind

466
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,960
of experience. And I had the
same with my father. Yeah, my

467
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,960
aunt had I know it was my
father. I could feel his energy.

468
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:37,239
I knew it was my Mother's youngest
sister passed. Yeah, and her oldest

469
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:44,679
sister, who they lived together,
like a month afterwards, she appeared by

470
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,760
her bedside, was somebody else that
she didn't recognize, and it was basically

471
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,000
a goodbye. Now, I believe
those visitations happened. But to say your

472
00:47:55,079 --> 00:48:00,119
house is haunted by the ghost of
your dead relative or somebody else from the

473
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:07,519
past, you're dealing with a bunch
of different factors. One is, as

474
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:15,119
we put these trickster energies, which
I call elementals that are I don't even

475
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,599
like to use the word spiritual because
it's not even spiritual. It's things that

476
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:27,000
are attached And it's not noblin,
the goblin. No, things that are

477
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,519
attached to the land, that come
and go, and they can present themselves

478
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:38,320
in certain ways to fool you or
to make you think something or whatnot.

479
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:45,000
And like I said, you know, I've had experiences since my wife died,

480
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:52,840
and I know in my heart it's
not her. I think maybe through

481
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,679
because of my grief, maybe because
of my situation. I think something local

482
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,519
has come in and occasionally let's me
know it's here. And most people would

483
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:07,320
jump to the conclusion, oh,
my wife is here and doing this and

484
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,239
doing that. Well, you don't
know, you do know what it is.

485
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:20,360
There's also time slips, which we've
discussed. Now I know about those.

486
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,079
Yes, you do. I mean, we've talked about those many times

487
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:30,880
on our program, which you know, in some cases knowing how wonky time

488
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:37,239
is. It's not linear, and
there are multiple timelines all playing out at

489
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,719
once that you know, you could
see what you think is an apparition of

490
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,519
a person or ghost. People jump
to the conclusion, Oh, it's a

491
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:50,079
ghost. Oh it's somebody still going
about their job and they don't know they've

492
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:52,000
died, or they don't want to
let go and they're still here. And

493
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:59,679
in most cases, I think that's
absolutely wrong. And maybe what you're seeing

494
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:06,239
is is the conditions are right in
an area where those time periods overlap,

495
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,920
and you can briefly see a living, breathing person in another time and they

496
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,639
could look transparent because you're not fully
connected, the energies aren't fully there,

497
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:22,079
but just enough to see the person
and maybe sometimes if that person is aware

498
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:32,239
they see you. Is exactly what
happened to me? Mm hmm. Now,

499
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,840
I mean I've investigated a lot of
houses, I've had I've had experiences,

500
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:50,280
caught things on video and audio and
audio fascinates me. Hang on,

501
00:50:53,519 --> 00:51:00,559
audio fascinates me because when you're picking
up voices and sometimes they see to be

502
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:07,159
responding intelligently, and all too often
people jump to the conclusion that they're talking

503
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:12,519
to the specific ghost of a person
in the past, where again, when

504
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:20,840
you're dealing with these other types of
elemental spirits, they can mimic voices and

505
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,599
make you think that you're talking to
somebody you know who used to live in

506
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:35,639
the house. Yeah. So these
are the types of things that really interest

507
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:43,719
me these days. It's because of
breaking down traditional thought, traditional ideas of

508
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:51,199
reality and looking at them from a
very different perspective. At the same time

509
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,000
acknowledging the fact that we may never
figure it out with our human brains because

510
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:02,119
so much of it is beyond our
human comprehension. Does that make sense?

511
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:15,719
That's always made sense now, you
being you have had a lot of experiences

512
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:24,719
in your life. Yees seventy your
jeers worth. So while demons are a

513
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:31,039
big thing in the paranormal over here, which again I don't believe in demons

514
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:37,000
per se, No, demons are
beginning to take off over here as well.

515
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,679
Like I said before, you know, it was always demons in America

516
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,880
and ghosts over here, And now
since all these television shows, people are

517
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:51,119
starting to get the idea that they've
got a demon walking about their house instead

518
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:57,280
of a ghost. They've got neither
half of them. But that's not to

519
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:04,400
say that you can't deal with something
pretty nasty. Oh yeah, well,

520
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,719
you know, even the energy of
it. You can walk into a house

521
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,079
and you can tell, even if
there's nothing in there, you can tell

522
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,639
whether something is bad that's happened in
there over the years, which leaves an

523
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:24,320
imprint on the house. And that
imprint will play on you, you know

524
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,599
it will. So I'm watching my
dogs out the window as well. At

525
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:36,119
the same time. Yeah, I'm
hypnotized by the way they're playing out there,

526
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,880
So keep you on track here.
Yeah, it leaves that, you

527
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:47,039
know, it gives the imprint of
the house. The energy of it affects

528
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:52,559
you and the way that you feel
and the way not that you well,

529
00:53:53,360 --> 00:54:00,800
yeah, counterfect The way you think
they presume I've walked into the house is

530
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,960
whether it's been an argument an hour
or so beforehand. You can for me,

531
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,360
although they've made up and they've cuddled
and they kissed, I can walk

532
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,320
into that house and I can cut
the atmosphere with a knife. It's still

533
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:22,280
there, it's still hanging there.
Well, and you've had. Even when

534
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,079
I was there, you know,
there were a couple of times when something

535
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:32,599
comes in that's kind of negative and
nasty, getting in your face, and

536
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,480
you know you have to like tell
to f off and push it out.

537
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,000
Yeah, of course I laughed at
you the one night when you had the

538
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:49,719
one thing in there and you wouldn't
get rid of it because you were afraid

539
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,119
of waking me up. I'm going
wake me up, oh Mark, When

540
00:54:54,159 --> 00:55:01,360
you see my absolutely fly at this
shite that comes in, this bad energy

541
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,360
or anything like that, do you'd
think I was a raven looney? You

542
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,639
would think I'd lost the plot because
I will chase it. I'll go after

543
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:21,039
it. You know, I become
something else. M since little old Lady

544
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:28,800
suddenly becomes this horrendous, lasted,
evil demon, and it's in herself.

545
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,360
One day, I'm going to look
in the mirror and see if my eyes

546
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,840
are bright red. Well, that's
why you know, I said, hey,

547
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,199
you know, if next time I
come and visit, if that ever

548
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,199
happens again, don't worry about waking
me up. I'd like to see it.

549
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,159
And I think a lot of why
it happens so much in this house

550
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:52,800
is because of who I am,
what I do, and what I've come

551
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,760
up, you know, what's happened
to me over my lifetime from a very

552
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:06,559
young age. And I think that
tracks like like some ah, young I'm

553
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:13,119
untrained mediums, you know, I
like, you know, track this fracture

554
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:20,840
them like moss around off a lamp
or a light bulb. Even though I

555
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:27,079
am trained and I'm a you know, seventy years experience behind me. I

556
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:35,519
walk with these things hanging around behind
me, you know, just as much

557
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:43,960
as Yeah. Yeah, I always
say, once you've dealt with something that's

558
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:49,440
really dark and horrendous, you might
as well be wearing a banner above your

559
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:55,760
head saying come and get me.
Yeah, because they will. And again

560
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:07,480
it's not to scare people, because
there's very little that's scarce me. No.

561
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:15,400
I mean my mother told me when
I was a little girl. The

562
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:23,559
living true, not the dead.
Irene. I mean I could drive you

563
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:30,159
crazy, yeah, but for the
most part, Yeah, I'm more afraid

564
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,679
of the living than I am anything
dead or other. Like I said,

565
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,559
I'm getting away from that concept of
dead and dealing with other forces and elemental

566
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,960
and you know, we've talked about
this and on different shows when we've talked

567
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,840
to, like with Barry Fitzgerald or
other other researchers who talk about all these

568
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:58,840
other different types of cryptids or energies. You know, there's gin in different

569
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:05,559
cultures. There's fairy low over there
in your country, icelandic elves, the

570
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:13,880
brown little people in the Carolinas.
They're all over the planet. We're sharing

571
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,199
this world with other beings who tend
to have properties that we would look at

572
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:25,239
as supernatural, but really are just
natural. It's another force of nature,

573
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,800
and a lot of it is because
we've had so much programmed out of us.

574
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:39,480
Only a few people are like you, are really tuned into it and

575
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:46,159
can feel it. And there's also
so much going on. One of the

576
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:54,280
things I like to say is the
world. I'm kind of paraphrasing Einstein here,

577
00:58:54,599 --> 00:59:00,119
I say the world. He said, the universe is not only stranger

578
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:08,880
than we imagine, it is stranger
than we can imagine because it is beyond

579
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:19,559
our human comprehension. And don't forget
all this lot also is tied above above

580
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:28,199
blow different frequencies of energies. Higher
vibrational energies tend to be more positive.

581
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:38,599
Yeah, maybe maybe you have I
don't know. Plenty of them, Miranda,

582
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:45,239
plenty of what you broke up a
little bit UFOs well, you know,

583
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:52,519
and that's what it's above is blow
shall I say? And see that's

584
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:59,880
another subject where the exact there's so
many spiritual aspects involved with UFO experiencer.

585
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:08,079
Like our last guest Lorraine McAdam,
who lives over there in the UK.

586
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,719
She said, lifelong experiences and so
many of these experiencers that we've interviewed over

587
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:25,679
the years, and the things that
these beings can do remind me a lot

588
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:34,480
of some of the spiritual things that
people have experienced in the fact that they

589
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:39,519
can present themselves in certain ways.
Lorraine talked about this on her show and

590
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,039
in her book, and then I've
had a couple of online conversations with her

591
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:55,840
briefly since now. She earlier in
her life was dealing with grace what we

592
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:02,119
think our of the gray eties,
but as she got older it shifted to

593
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:09,559
what people call the Nordics. Yea, the tall you know, Nordic type

594
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:22,519
of humans. They're all beautiful,
they're all blue eyes and white. Okay,

595
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,559
And this is something that gets me, not not trying to be woke

596
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,280
here, but it's like Okay,
well, what about all the other people

597
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:38,960
on this planet who aren't white.
You don't really hear a lot about anybody

598
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:49,199
else experiencing Nordics, no experiencing other
types of alien humans that look like different

599
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,559
races. Why is it Nordics?
Why is it white, beautiful white people?

600
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:02,079
And I'm thinking maybe there's there's a
couple of reasons. One, I

601
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:07,280
think it could be that's not what
they really look like. I think they're

602
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:14,480
presenting a screen memory. People think
they're dealing with a very Nordic looking human,

603
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:21,119
although there's the features white blongs and
blue eyes. I reckon blondes up

604
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:25,840
more funable. Well again, it's
a very you know, like Northern European

605
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:34,039
look. Now that that's one idea, is for the people that they're appearing

606
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,559
to are dealing with Nordics, and
who are most of the people that are

607
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:44,119
seeing them, the the white experiencers. Yeah, okay, Now it's that

608
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:47,960
makes you think in itself, well, that makes me think one of two

609
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:54,599
things, two possibilities. And I
presented this to to Lorraine and she agreed

610
01:02:54,599 --> 01:03:02,559
it's a possibility. Is the fact
that a it's either a screen memory that

611
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,760
that's how they present themselves to her, and they don't really look like that.

612
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,840
But when you feel like you're dealing
with a human looking alien, it's

613
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:20,239
easier for you to relate. That's
one. Two. There are supposedly,

614
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:29,000
supposedly people have postulated that they're like
at least fifty different alien species dealing with

615
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:34,920
humans at this point in time and
throughout history, but right now especially,

616
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:43,800
that aren't because they because they catalog
all these experiencers and the types of alien

617
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,880
beings that they've dealt with, and
they put together a list. Okay,

618
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:53,079
so and that list of the differences
between these these aliens, they say fifty.

619
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:58,000
Now does that mean fifty there are
these ailings of the beings that we're

620
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:02,559
talking about in ouns. Yeah,
because it's like an elemental type thing.

621
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:10,239
People who have, let's say,
have a ghost my friend who we interview,

622
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:15,800
I mean, we investigated her home
over a number of years, and

623
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,719
eventually I determined that what we were
dealing with wasn't a ghost. It was

624
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:25,440
the land that the house was built
on, because there were multiple houses on

625
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,719
the same street having all the same
type of activity, So whatever was there

626
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,119
was attached to the land. And
one time she woke up in the middle

627
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:38,639
of the night, saw a white, misty figure across the room by her

628
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,920
dresser, and she must have made
a noise because the thing turned and looked

629
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,920
at her. And she told me, Mark, you're gonna think I'm crazy

630
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,320
and I had to coax it out
of here. Go what and she goes,

631
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:55,960
pardon my language, She goes,
it was a fucking alien, But

632
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:00,079
you remember that. I remember that. But there's there was never any type

633
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:09,239
of alien activity or UFOs or anything
like that that presented itself. Yet I've

634
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,400
heard of other stories of people seeing
what they would look like grays or look

635
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:19,679
like similar types of alien beings involved
in cases that had absolutely nothing to do

636
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:28,239
with UFOs. So some of these
elemental type of beings can put on that

637
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,440
persona mm hm. They kind of
come in and out of our reality a

638
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:40,159
little bit. Hell, we've done
shows on Bigfoot and the supernatural qualities that

639
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:47,840
some of these Bigfoot encounters have had
where their cloak. There was a show

640
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:58,239
everywhere. Well there's the show that's
really popular over here, and I like

641
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,719
the show a lot. It's called
Expedition and Bigfoot, where they send out

642
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:06,880
these three researchers to these different areas
and this latest one. They were up

643
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:14,800
in Alaska, and what really impressed
me is at one point the one researcher

644
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:20,239
who's a former military guy, he's
a natural survivalist, and they find this

645
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:30,400
old mind shaft and they bring in
one of those great robotic dog like things

646
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:39,679
with middle with a light ar system
on it that it could walk with four

647
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:45,800
legs, walks through the mine in
places where it'd probably be too dangerous for

648
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:51,119
people to go. And it had
both a light ar scanner and it also

649
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:57,079
had you know, a regular camera. Two things it caught in that mind

650
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:03,480
was through the light ar scanner,
it scanned this big figure sitting on a

651
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:13,320
rock. This thing was huge,
yet the white the infrared camera showed nothing

652
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:23,000
there. Then at one point the
infrared camera is looking down the shaft and

653
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:30,239
all of a sudden, and you'll
like this, the shimmering effect like something

654
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:36,239
cloaked move past the camera and that
goes right with what you've seen in your

655
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:45,079
in your garden like it. And
and they thought it was a cloaked Now

656
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,559
saying it's a bigfoot is jumping to
a conclusion. All of the figures it

657
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:55,320
is. It is some sort of
cloaked apparition. Of some type. I

658
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:01,719
don't know being of some type.
These these creatures that we share the planet

659
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:10,960
with seem to have abilities that are
beyond our human comprehension, but are very

660
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,479
much a part of reality. And
again it fosters everything from your fairy lore

661
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:27,079
to gnomes El's gin, everything across
the planet that has supernatural type of qualities

662
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,600
and have been with our culture for
thousands and thousands of years. Yeah,

663
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:39,199
but with these close things now after
two visitations by them, is the energy

664
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:45,560
is so clear be anywhere. If
there's one within the vicinity, I feel

665
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:50,600
it now. Well, hey,
it's fall and this is when you typically

666
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:57,760
hear the Welsh bigfoot howling in the
hills. Is bigfoot? You know?

667
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:01,079
It could be something else. There
could be something else. I've only seen

668
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:09,359
these shimmering things. And it's not
just this garden. I have felt the

669
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:15,520
mouse where, like I say,
you become there's some sort of energy in

670
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:21,119
print. After meeting or coming with
them or being with them out there in

671
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:29,520
that garden, that's left some sort
of recognition thing with me. So I

672
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,199
can see them and feel them when
they're in the vicinity. You pick up

673
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:40,600
on their energy and their vibration.
Yeah, you know. I even during

674
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,560
the day, I've walked somewhere or
been somewhere and I felt it. I

675
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,800
felt this actual, same vibration,
the same energy, and I know that

676
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:57,359
somewhere around me, maybe few footsteps
back, maybe even further back, there

677
01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:00,319
is another one. There is one. I don't know, you know,

678
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,319
don't you know? I'm not I
don't take any notice of anything anymore.

679
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:12,239
So it really doesn't worry me.
But it's, uh, I don't know.

680
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:17,359
When you learn these energies and get
to know, it's they're like signatures.

681
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:26,479
You understand they like signatures. You
get to know what is what sort

682
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,600
of thing, and you can recognize
it by the energy straight away, and

683
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:35,319
you know there's an inner feeling.
Whether it's an inner feeling, it's like

684
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:42,520
an image in your head or whatever, it's actually what it is. You

685
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,600
know, it's one of them,
or it's one of these, or it's

686
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:53,319
one of those. It's what I'm
waffling a bit. Are no, Actually

687
01:10:53,319 --> 01:11:00,800
you're not, because it's pointing out
the fact that we are with the theme

688
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:08,760
of this last part of the show
is talking about sharing this planet with other

689
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:16,800
types of entities that are all around
us, and we misinterpret them a lot.

690
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:25,840
Some are you know, indifferent,
some are benevolent, some can be

691
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,119
malevolent. You know, it's just
like humans. You have good people,

692
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,199
you have good people, you have
bad people. It all depends on intention.

693
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:41,800
I have noticed a lot with people
though. You know, you could

694
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,239
be one and you could be in
a supermarket full of people and there's just

695
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:49,239
one nasty basket case standing very close
to it and you can feel that energy,

696
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,840
that bad energy coming from that person. Yep, it's the same sort

697
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,119
of thing. But it gets to
the point where you do so many or

698
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:03,840
you have so many involvements in your
life that is, you don't need a

699
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,680
name for anything anymore. You just
recognize it by the energy. You know

700
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,920
exactly what it is you're dealing with. Yeah, putting human names to things,

701
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,079
you know, we tend to do
that to try to classify things.

702
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:23,079
And somethings did to classify, isn't
it. Yeah, some things are beyond

703
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:30,359
classification and by our understanding, you
know, even like Bigfoot right now,

704
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:40,399
something there's been a change, a
shift in how Bigfoot is perceived. Okay,

705
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:45,680
yeah, right now. In the
past, Bigfoot was always thought of

706
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:51,840
being this mostly benevolent creature. Very
few problems people have ever had with them,

707
01:12:53,399 --> 01:13:00,479
other than some just scary encounters.
But now the TV show especially and

708
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,560
a lot of the YouTube channels and
everybody, they've shifted. Now all they're

709
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:15,079
talking about is really negative, life
threatening encounters with these creatures, supposedly that

710
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:19,880
could kill people. Yeah, but
then you know, I know, a

711
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,520
big thing is so big where you
are and everything, it's not that big

712
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,359
over here. But I don't see
it as everybody else sees it, like

713
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,520
this type like creature. I don't
see that. When I see anything like

714
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,119
that, or I feel anything like
that, I feel the energy that comes

715
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:43,479
from within it. I feel the
essence of the woman saying, I don't

716
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:51,640
feel and see this big hairy thing
walking around, you know, well,

717
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:58,199
the the close and I have felt
a big hairy thing walking around. I

718
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:02,359
have well, I mean the cloak
figures you saw in your garden, those

719
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:13,399
couples, but they looked really big
and humanoid. Yeah, yes, more

720
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:18,800
the energy and the essence. It's
like getting inside of these things when you

721
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:26,439
are actually working with them. It
was like being absorbed into the very being

722
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:32,640
of the actual creature or the actual
being itself. And that's the only way

723
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:41,880
that you can do the work I
do. Well. I mean that last

724
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:47,880
encounter you had, which was several
years ago. Yeah, you felt like,

725
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:54,399
actually you had some information downloaded.
That's right. Yeah, And that

726
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,920
is more than like why the information
downloaded that I got or felt I got.

727
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:02,880
There's more likely this recognition of being
able to recognize them when they're ever

728
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:11,479
within reach of me close by.
I don't know. I'm hoping it's that.

729
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:16,079
I'm hoping it's nothing else, right, But I'm not saying they're bigfoot,

730
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:21,560
you know, because it's not the
same as what you're getting out there

731
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:28,279
in America where people are seen footprints, you know, that Mike Patterson video

732
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:32,439
and things like that. It's not
like that. That's not I might see

733
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,399
something like that if I went out
there, but that's not what I'm seeing

734
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:42,159
here, and that's not what I'm
feeling. There's a lot of different things

735
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:48,680
out there, and sometimes, as
we mentioned earlier, it could present itself

736
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:55,800
to you in a different form.
Yeah, if you're dealing something that's more

737
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:01,279
energy than matter, energy can be
altered, perception can be altered, and

738
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:08,119
the one thing definitely that can happen
is our memories and our perceptions can be

739
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:15,680
altered. How many times, especially
in UFO encounters, people can report seeing

740
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,680
one thing Betty and Barney Hill,
one of the one of the very first

741
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:28,560
abduction cases and back in the sixties, and what they initially saw and then

742
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,840
they went under hypnosis and what they
really saw came out, but what they

743
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:40,279
initially saw looked completely different. Mike
Clelland with his book Messengers, he was

744
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:45,880
focusing on all this owl imagery and
people see owls, yeah, sometimes like

745
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,800
a five foot owl standing in the
middle of the road, which is impossible.

746
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:56,680
But yet with these screen memories,
you know what kind of looks like

747
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,640
an owl? When you have an
alien with the big eyes. You know,

748
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:04,600
it's even Whitley Strieber's talked about this. You know, it's a screen

749
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:15,439
memory to either help people cope with
things better in the everyday world, that's

750
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,600
how they want to present themselves.
Sometimes you'll dismiss it, not knowing that

751
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:27,199
something strange has happened. And I
mean, there's so many different things that

752
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,920
go on in the world right now
that we've barely what we've talked about today,

753
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,399
We barely scratched the surface. There
are other experiences and so many different

754
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:44,479
things that happened that just make me
question our concept of time reality. There's

755
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:51,960
multiple dimensions. There was that incident
you had not long ago, when you

756
01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:56,039
woke up in the night to go
to the bathroom and the time was a

757
01:17:56,039 --> 01:18:02,840
certain time. Then you woke up
later on, felt like you had slept

758
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,399
for hours, and you woke up
later on, and that time was earlier

759
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:14,960
than when you woke up the first
time. That's right. Yeah, Oh

760
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:18,800
yeah, I am I'm missing around. Yes, there's true. I went

761
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:25,960
to the bathroom a certain time.
Yeah, it was a certain time night,

762
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:29,039
I went back to bed, I
went to sleep, I felt like

763
01:18:29,119 --> 01:18:32,439
I'd slept the sleep of the day, had a beautiful sleep, woke up

764
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:39,560
and it was earlier than the time
I went to the bathroom. So what

765
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:44,479
happened there? I went back in
time? You went back in time.

766
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:51,760
Or maybe maybe because this has happened
to you before, you've kind of flitted

767
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:58,760
between realities. Maybe, yeah,
that is more than likely the answer,

768
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,800
because maybe you would know that has
happened before. Yeah, Well, like

769
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:10,119
you said, you've you've had we
haven't talked about this in a very long

770
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:15,039
time, but I've been having these
sort of things happened to me since oh

771
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:21,479
my early twenties when I was living
with a boy in Crystal Palace. Where

772
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,760
I was living with a boy,
I was living with his family in Crystal

773
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,279
Palace in a beautiful old Red Waldean
house, very very big house. And

774
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:39,000
when I walked into that room,
which I've been in so many times before,

775
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,640
and the whole room was different,
the wallpaper, everything was different about

776
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:47,960
it. They've gone back in time. But what I actually did then was

777
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:53,399
looked down at my shoes. I
looked down and for some reason, I

778
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,520
looked down at my shoes. And
then as soon as I looked I seen

779
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,680
my shoes. I looked up again, and the room was back to normal.

780
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,319
You have told me in the past. I don't know if this has

781
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:12,600
ever happened in the last few years, but several years back you had mentioned

782
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:20,720
about interacting with a different version of
me. Yes, that's true, Smokey

783
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:27,640
Joe. Yeah, you interacted with
a mark that smoked, that smoked.

784
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,880
Yeah. And this is another thing
that's strange. It's always something different when

785
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:36,479
you do have these experiences. You
know there is something that doesn't quite fit.

786
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:42,079
And the cigarettes did not fit you. No, you don't smoke,

787
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:47,960
but it stood out because that was
one thing that stood out to me when

788
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,800
I had that experience was the fact
that you had a cigarette. What I'd

789
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,119
be curious about, what I should
have asked you about, is when you

790
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:00,279
had that experience, what the heck
were we talking about? I remember,

791
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:04,079
Now it's such a long time ago, I know, so if it ever

792
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:12,439
happens again, but I'll tell you
off I smoke and see reps have told

793
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:17,199
me many a time when I did. Yeah, it goes with this other

794
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:25,760
concept about time. And there's a
popular, not a popular theory. There

795
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:32,119
is a theory out there that there
are multiple dimensions and we are living multiple

796
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:39,359
lifetimes at once different versions. Everything
is slightly different multiple This is where the

797
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:44,000
multiverse comes in. This is where
your cigarette came in. Yeah, everything

798
01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:46,520
is slightly different. It could have
been it could have been somebody that normally

799
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,560
wears glasses all the time in this
world or in this dimension, and in

800
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:57,439
that dimension wasn't wearing any glasses.
And it's that is like the trigger that

801
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:03,640
sticks out. I remember reading a
story once about a woman who she had

802
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:12,600
a job. She went to work, she specific office and whatnot, and

803
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,079
then one day when she got up
to go to work, she found everything

804
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:21,960
different. Her office was a different
number, she was in a different department.

805
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:32,119
There were all these different subtle changes, like maybe she didn't physically go

806
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:42,039
from one one mentioned into another,
but maybe her consciousness did, and her

807
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:48,159
consciousness transversed over from one reality to
another. There used to be this show,

808
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:53,920
it's many many years ago, that
was on American television called Sliders.

809
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,760
Oh, I remember that that did
come over. Yeah, and I bullshit,

810
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,119
I never really watched it too,
But I know of the show,

811
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:09,039
and I know the main concept of
the show is every week it wasn't time

812
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:15,079
travel. They were slipping between dimensions, jumping, and every dimension was a

813
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:21,640
slightly different variation of Earth some of
the time. Sometimes the changes were really

814
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:29,039
big, sometimes they were minor.
But it's all these different layers happening at

815
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:30,960
once. There was also that guy
tell you what, I wish I'd watched

816
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:34,399
that now. I know it used
to come on the television. You see

817
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:39,880
the trailer every now and then come
up for it. I never really felt

818
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,119
like watching it me either at the
time. But there's another There's a great

819
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:51,640
Danny Boyle movie came out a couple
of years ago called Yesterday and Yeah,

820
01:23:51,760 --> 01:24:00,720
and it focuses on this guy who
this British guy who has he he's a

821
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,359
failing musician. His girlfriend believes in
him, but he's really going nowhere.

822
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:11,399
And then he gets hit by a
car and he wakes up and everything seems

823
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,439
normal until he starts to realize the
little differences. And the main difference of

824
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:25,159
the movie was the Beatles never existed. So I just say that he started

825
01:24:25,159 --> 01:24:29,840
writing their music, well, he
started taking their music and presenting it as

826
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,319
his own, and then he becomes
this big star. Ed Sheeran's in it

827
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:40,560
playing himself. But then what was
funny about it was there were all these

828
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,479
other little differences in this reality.
It wasn't just the fact that the Beatles

829
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,279
never existed. But it's like one
time he said, oh my god,

830
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:51,079
I really could go for a cigarette
right now, and his girlfriend looks at

831
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:56,640
him and goes, what's a cigarette? They didn't exist in that world.

832
01:24:57,359 --> 01:25:04,720
And again a parallel reality with slight
differences, just like you seeing me smoking

833
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:11,840
and I don't smoke. Sometimes there's
big differences. I mean, oh my

834
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:19,720
god. Reality is so freaking strange, way stranger than we ever can conceive

835
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:27,239
of because we have been brought up
to think of things in a certain very

836
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,479
narrow view of vision. Yeah,
I've used this analogy before. It's like

837
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:39,560
the electromagnetic spectrum. We see a
sliver of what we call visible light that

838
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:47,800
our eyes can perceive, and yet
the electromagnetic spectrum stretches out almost to infinity

839
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:54,039
in both directions, between the infrared
on one end, the ultra violet on

840
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:58,319
the other, X rays, gamma
rays, all these other things. But

841
01:25:58,359 --> 01:26:01,720
they're all part of the electromme magnetic
spectrum. But we can only perceive with

842
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:09,000
our senses a very very small amount, but yet everything is out there.

843
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:16,680
Another analogy radio. You can have
a radio playing a station and it's playing

844
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,399
music, and then you could change
the station to listen to something else,

845
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:26,399
And what you're doing is you're either
going higher in frequency or lower in frequency,

846
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:34,039
switching from AM to FM, which
all works with different frequencies and modulations.

847
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:39,439
But in reality, every single one
of those stations is all playing at

848
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:45,439
once, and you're only tuned into
one. And I feel like that's where

849
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,520
we mostly are in this reality.
We're mostly tuned. Most of us are

850
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:58,520
tuned into just this reality. Some
people like you, can tune into the

851
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,239
other realities or some of the other
realities. I think it could be infinite

852
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:15,840
beyond again, beyond our human comprehension
human human mm hmm, that's right,

853
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:26,119
you're not. I don't know.
I agree with you there. And the

854
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:30,920
mind really was that the mind,
it's so small. What we can,

855
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:36,119
what we do comprehend is such a
mid new part of what the mind is

856
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:44,159
able to accomplish. And we misinterpret
it. Yeah, we misinterpret it.

857
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:49,399
We can't read it right. And
there is so much more that the mind,

858
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,960
the actual mind can do. That's
just what I want to say,

859
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,880
is in a couple of weeks time, we're going to be doing a show

860
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:02,560
with Andy Versa. No, I
know Andrew doing something with Tolper's, whether

861
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:10,399
he's writing a book or he did
mention the other day that he's doing something

862
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:15,600
with Tolper's. And I think it
would be absolutely great to have a fault

863
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,760
on Tolper's when we've got Andy on
here, because you know what Tolbera is

864
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:28,640
sent to him being and yeah,
it's a thoughtful manager created by the mind,

865
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:38,359
visualization and such so, and it
would be absolutely great because you know,

866
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:45,840
I would love myself to try and
create Toulper, to study a Tolper

867
01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:50,039
and he's writing a book. I
think, I'm sure. I'm sure he

868
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:56,359
said he's writing a book on Tolper's
at the moment. Well, you wrote

869
01:28:56,399 --> 01:29:03,600
the novel where Demon's dwell, and
one of the aspects of that was was

870
01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:13,640
the sorcerer priest. Whatever it was
creating a tulpa that was doing is bidding

871
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:18,600
and in a negative way. But
right, the danger of creating a tulpa

872
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,279
is, you know, again,
whatever your intentions are creating it, whatever

873
01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:26,199
you're putting them out there, is
going to come back to you. This

874
01:29:26,399 --> 01:29:29,239
is it. This is what you've
got to be very mindful of. You

875
01:29:29,319 --> 01:29:31,760
know, if you create a top, if you're able to create a teller

876
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:38,159
park, right, then you're could
either use it for good not for bad,

877
01:29:38,279 --> 01:29:45,880
because, like you say, what
goes out comes back. And I

878
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:54,560
would honestly like to investigate the ring
more because I think that has tied in

879
01:29:54,720 --> 01:30:00,720
somewhere along these lines well, you
know, and that we could probably saved

880
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,840
for our next discussion. But you
know, actually coming over there holding the

881
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:09,000
ring, wearing the ring, now, I didn't feel the energy like you

882
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:15,039
do. I did find it very
interesting that it fit my finger perfectly,

883
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:20,439
a lot bigger than I am.
It changed, it changed its size to

884
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,119
fit me, kind of like the
one ring in the Lord of the Rings

885
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:28,840
movies. You know, this damn
thing seems to be able to change its

886
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,359
shape depending on who's gonna wear it. Well, when I got that ring

887
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,560
sixty years ago, when it came
into my possession, I was a size

888
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:42,119
eight, a young slip of a
thing, and the ring fitted me.

889
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,239
Now I'm a lot bigger. I'm
not gonna say how big I am.

890
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:54,720
So I was fourteen British eyes,
but the ring still fits me. Yeah,

891
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:59,119
your fingers are bigger, you know, with age, but they are,

892
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,680
yeah, the same finger. It
goes on the same finger, and

893
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:09,279
you know, it goes on its
lips on easy and then it tightens to

894
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:14,600
feat your finger. It seems to
adjust itself. And see, that's going

895
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,439
to be a whole other topic we
could talk about. Is were you able

896
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,680
to get it off an easy mark? I can't remember. Yeah, it

897
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,520
came right on and off. But
when it was on, it stayed on.

898
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,239
I mean, it wasn't too loose, it wasn't too tight. It

899
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:34,680
was perfect, Yeah, which I
found to be amazing. And you know,

900
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:44,600
the idea of energies being attached to
inanimate objects fascinates me. Psychometry,

901
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,840
which that's what you should have done. You should have done a little bit

902
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,439
of psychometry, or to be honest
with you, I tried, but I

903
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:59,960
think, look, everything I'm going
on better without a glass of red.

904
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:05,399
Why yeah. But it's also everything
that I've been through the last years has

905
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:12,359
shut me down and I'm trying to
re open back up. So at that

906
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,159
time I wasn't ready, i think, to be able to feel energies like

907
01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:26,439
that. But there's obviously something attached
to that ring. And you know,

908
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,359
there's the idea of objects holding onto
energy, whether it's positive or negative.

909
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,960
So that's a whole other subject we
can bring up next time and talk and

910
01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:41,880
talk with Andy about, because you
know, that could fit in with the

911
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:46,479
conversation of tulpus because we're we are
talking about energy here. Mm hmm.

912
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:56,720
So we've had a telpa caset,
remember two of us, that young girl

913
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:03,479
in the north of Wales. Oh
yes, because oh she was pissed at

914
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:08,199
us when we told the truth.
She did not want to hear it.

915
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:13,119
She wanted it to be a ghost, And it turns out she was creating

916
01:33:13,159 --> 01:33:18,239
it with her own mind all the
things she was seeing was based off of

917
01:33:18,279 --> 01:33:26,680
what other people told her it was, or even her boyfriend was there was

918
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,159
seeing stuff, but I think he
was feeding into it too. Yeah.

919
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,119
And also when you think about this, this is all tied in a politigized

920
01:33:34,199 --> 01:33:41,840
activity. It's all created, so
they say, by the mind. Well,

921
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:46,880
sometimes it could be an external Well, sometimes it's an external force like

922
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:54,199
these elementals that we talked about earlier. And sometimes it could be a product

923
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:57,720
of the mind. No, sorry, And it doesn't have to be a

924
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:03,279
young adolessent girl or anything like that, or young boy. It can be

925
01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:10,119
an old woman, an old man, problems anyone. That's That was the

926
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:15,199
old old definition way back in the
day, and things have progressed a lot

927
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:21,600
farther since then. So could they
be tiding? Could Ala actually be a

928
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:32,840
poltergeist? I think polterguys that like
activity. But I don't think it's a

929
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:41,920
Tulpa is responsible for all poltergeist activity, because sometimes there are outside energies and

930
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,560
you've done there are, yes,
sure, right, there are outside energies.

931
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,640
It's like when I moved into this
house and the money piled up in

932
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:55,239
the kitchen. That's written it.
I've written about it in my book Life

933
01:34:55,279 --> 01:35:01,720
among the Spirits, well ash,
but my daughter in law threw on top

934
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:06,760
of the refrigerator, which was all
over the bloody place. But when I

935
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:11,159
came out down in the morning,
when we came downstairs into the kitchen in

936
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:15,520
the morning, it was piled on
top of each other like a perfect perfect

937
01:35:16,279 --> 01:35:20,239
from the biggest coins at the bottom
to the smallest at the top, and

938
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:27,399
they was so centralized on top of
each other coins underneath. It was unbelievable

939
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:32,319
when all the queen's hastes were the
same side up. Well, I've had

940
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:42,920
three cases of what you could call
Poulter guess activity. Two that happened in

941
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:50,760
this house the day of my wife's
funeral when I found the quarter lying in

942
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:56,760
the middle of the guest room bed. Yeah, there was no quarter ever

943
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:03,960
there ever there. It could have
been in a pool, the pardon in

944
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,560
mind, I said, it could
have been in a port, something that

945
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:16,039
comes from out of nowhere. Yes, well, again it may not be

946
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:20,119
exactly poultry guist activity, but the
coin was there, and it was tails

947
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:26,359
up, and it was the state
that she hated the most because of situations

948
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:30,279
in our past. But it was
a clear message. Then there was the

949
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:34,520
time my wallet disappeared. Oh yes, I tore the house apart looking for

950
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:41,000
my wallet, freaking out, thinking
I lost it somewhere. I tore everything,

951
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:46,079
every drawer, everything in the house, knowing that it shouldn't be anywhere

952
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:51,239
other than where I last put it, which was gone. And then I

953
01:36:51,359 --> 01:36:58,640
decided, Okay, I'm going to
search again, and I immediately found it

954
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:05,760
in a drawer that I I had
previously served wasn't there. And then about

955
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,439
fifteen years ago, there was a
case I was working on in a house

956
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:16,760
that was very active, where quarters
were just materializing out of nowhere and dropping

957
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:20,279
to the floor. I tell you
what, I wish that was happening here,

958
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:26,159
but this sort of thing happens here. I was having stones thrown at

959
01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:30,439
me in the hallway. They were
just flying just me down there in the

960
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,960
hallway out there on my own,
stones would fly at me. They would

961
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:38,560
always miss me. Another time,
there was a crowd of us in the

962
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,840
kitchen, as you get in the
kitchen because it's the heart of the house,

963
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,600
and I was leaning against the radiator
and a stone come out through the

964
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:51,840
ceiling and drop down the radiator onto
the floor behind me, dropped down behind

965
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:58,479
the radiator came out on the floor
behind me. I never get caughters,

966
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:04,760
I get bloody stones. Well,
I mean it's it was like fifteen years

967
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:09,920
between incidents and there was only one
quarter. But then there's the wallet.

968
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:15,439
But I haven't had anything happen since
except the occasional bang. Everybody saw this.

969
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,399
Everybody saw this stone come out through
the ceiling and drop behind me,

970
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:25,640
everybody that was in the kitchen that
day. But we just carried on.

971
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:28,640
If I don't take any notice in
this thing, and if I don't take

972
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:32,840
any notice, no one else takes
any notice, right right, Well,

973
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:36,560
you know, there is so much
that we can go over, and we

974
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:41,920
are going to do more shows like
this because I think it's it's great having

975
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,680
guests on and talking about their experiences
their theories. But you and I have

976
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:51,359
experienced so much over the last ten
years plus all of your years of research

977
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:56,680
and experience, all the things that
have happened to me in my life,

978
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:04,880
So which is formed, you know, and it's constantly changing my thoughts and

979
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:11,720
my understanding of reality is constantly being
updated. And we're going to have a

980
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,800
book on it. Yeah, we
are going to have a book on it.

981
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,520
I got to get off my button, start writing, and you and

982
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,920
I need to talk more to see
what's going to go in it. So

983
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:26,920
and in a couple of weeks time, people, we will be having Andy

984
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:32,520
Mercer on and hopefully we'll be talking
about politicalist activity and talpers tulpers and Andy

985
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,760
is an expert in the occult too, so I'm sure there's lots of great

986
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:42,560
things we can talk about. Yeah
and yeah, and he's one of my

987
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:50,399
favorites. Andy works for the Paronormal
UK Radio Network as a producer. So

988
01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:56,319
we're going to go ahead and wrap
this up. This has been a fantastic

989
01:39:56,399 --> 01:40:00,359
discussion. We should be doing more
of these and we will. I hope

990
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:08,359
that you all enjoyed this and learn
some things. So tune in next time

991
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:14,199
for another edition of the Paranormal UK
Radio Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio

992
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:20,600
Network. Oh what about my website? Well, you have your website at

993
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:31,600
ireneallen block dot com, iron Block
bloc. Yes, with your books,

994
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:39,479
your blog that you need to update
and we'll be adding more things to that

995
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:45,079
as we go as well. So
also just let people know. Uh,

996
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:50,479
normally I ask you where can people
find us? Where can they find us?

997
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:56,439
Mont? Well, you say usually
say everywhere, people everywhere. That's

998
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:02,640
right, everywhere right now, we
are having our platform is having a problem

999
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:09,359
with Spreaker, so you may not
be able to catch us on Spreaker.

1000
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,399
It's a technical issue. They're working
through it, but you can catch us

1001
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:18,399
everywhere else. We mostly work with
no not Spreaker SoundCloud. I apologize.

1002
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:26,359
Our main platform is Spreaker. SoundCloud
is having a problem hopefully to be fixed

1003
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:31,239
soon, but you can hear us
on Spreaker, Podbean, Apple Podcast,

1004
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:42,760
Samsung, Google, iTunes Radio,
pretty much every major podcast outlet. And

1005
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,399
then we have our streaming radio station
which can be heard on our website at

1006
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:55,760
pa UK radio dot com, and
we also broadcast out on the Paranormal Radio

1007
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,960
app you can download on your phone. Well on we got YouTube, Yes,

1008
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:05,680
we also upload our shows to YouTube. So we are literally everywhere,

1009
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:13,439
people everywhere. Yeah, so it's
Paranormal UK Radio Network or p a UK

1010
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,439
dot Com, p a UK radio
dot Com, p a UK radio dot

1011
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:25,720
Com. Okay, all right,
everyone, thanks for tuning in, and

1012
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:33,359
you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving over
here in the States, and we will

1013
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:36,520
catch you next time. Be good
humans. We'll talk to you soon.

1014
01:42:36,720 --> 01:43:03,199
Bye bye. Bye,