1 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:20,839 What is a fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dana Valley coming at you 2 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:24,199 with our second mailbag of the week. It's part two of the mailbag had 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 a bunch of great questions from Discord. That's why you should join our discord 4 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,399 because you get priority when it comes to having your mailbad questions answered. I 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,320 tend to answer every single one. I think if I ever forget someone on 6 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:37,920 Discord should call me out on that so I can make sure to answer it 7 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:41,359 on the next one. Post taste very quickly before we dive in here. 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,079 Please remember to hit subscribe on YouTube like buttons, comment as well. Help 9 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:49,759 the algorithm, love us back. 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Alexander 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,239 also ask reports coming out recording Alvin's Adam Silver wanting teams to wanting to discourage 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,560 teams from tanking. Do you have any thoughts around how they could successfully do 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:34,799 this after Utah gets Wemby. Of course there was talk about relegation, which 22 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,239 was mentioned in our discord. It's just not feasible with the way that the 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,840 NBA is set up right now. I think that the only other thing you 24 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:44,200 could try, and that will be unintended consequences of anything you do, is 25 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:49,040 do you limit the years in which a team can land inside the top five 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,599 consecutively? And you're still then though, ensuring there'll be one year tanks, 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,719 And then you also might have the unintended consequences of, well, they're just 28 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,879 random kind of good team that might tank for that one year because they know 29 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:06,400 that there's a better shot since these maybe these you know, two other teams 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,919 have sucked the past two years and they still suck, but because they've already 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,439 had top five picks. You already know if they're not going to get a 32 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,800 top five pick. But that's the only thing that I could really see there, 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:21,000 and I don't other people have ideas. I there's going to be unintended 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,599 consequences of everything, is what I've learned, because even we thought the flattened 35 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,599 lottery odds would help. And I do think it's alleviated tanking a little bit, 36 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:34,039 but it's it hasn't cured it. Nothing's going to be a panacea for 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,000 it. Maybe the mid season tournament helps, but I just don't. I 38 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:38,879 still don't even that one. I'm gonna be there's so much parody in the 39 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,879 league that maybe it gets interesting, but I don't really understand what value from 40 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,439 a stakes perspective that brings, So yeah, I don't. I don't really 41 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:52,680 know how they could successfully deter teams from tanking anymore. And the other thing 42 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:54,520 is just like right now, the NBA doesn't have a tanking problem at at 43 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,960 the moment in this season, if we're going to probably see other teams sort 44 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,639 of sell themselves into it, but like the Spurs are winning and the Jazz 45 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,879 are winnings, like some of these flagrant tankers and then there's the Pacers who 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,080 it's like, well, they're not tanking because Myles Turner was injured, came 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,719 back and then immediately played. It might I'm assuming it gets worse as we 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,960 lead into the deeper into the season, but it doesn't seem like a huge 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,599 issue to me right now. I just think the best bet would be you 50 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:27,039 can have one top five pick. You can't have it like more than once 51 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 every three years or something. I don't. I don't even maybe that's even 52 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:35,039 too harsh because then you're you're really saying that you're not giving teams a rebuilding 53 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,240 window, and sometimes it just takes a little while to rebuild where you are 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,159 discouraging there. If you do make that decision, let's say you might else 55 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:44,560 will just be damaging the trade market, because well, if the Jazz are 56 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,240 like what they're doing right now, they have control of so many other teams 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,159 as drafts, but those are so far out you're counting on having those in 58 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,080 your back pocket while you capitalize on your own draft picks. But if you 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,879 can only capitalize on really one of them, like in the top five or 60 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:00,120 whatever it ends up being, why would you want to go through this methodical 61 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,439 rebuild, you might be more inclined to doubled down on the core you already 62 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,280 have and mortgage your own future. So yeah, that would be my only 63 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:13,159 thoughts there. Karrigan, how should the Jazz celebrate their first ever eighty two 64 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,120 eighty one and one season since they already lost This question was asked before. 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,399 Then a parade doesn't seem like enough. It is not. They should immediately 66 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,439 go out and trade for stars is how they celebrate. Maybe Dona and Mitchell 67 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:27,759 Rigobert Wi will become available at that point. But man, the Jazz have 68 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,439 been fun. I've only watched one full game of theirs and then gone back 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,680 and I was watching possessions of players, and just like how their offense was 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,560 looking, the Jazz are really fun. And Larry Marketing just looks like a 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,360 completely different player from where he was, not even just last season in Cleveland 72 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,480 where he was in a more complimentary rolling offense anyway, but like in Chicago, 73 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:53,079 that just unrecognizable from the player that was there in his final season. 74 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,519 Dark Wing Duck is having to change the defensive schemes with Rudy in versus Rudy 75 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:03,519 Alt going to confuse the Timberwolves to mediocrity. I yes, isn't. I 76 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:08,160 don't know permanently, but when you look, they've had such a confusing season 77 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,680 and dark wing duck. I just want you to know that I didn't have 78 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,160 the Timberwolves on my must watch to start the year because of the teams they 79 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:17,680 were playing. When you look at San Antonio twice, okay, see twice 80 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,120 and Utah, I was like, I don't know what I'm going to learn 81 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,160 about this these teams. I was gonna watch snippets of their games. I 82 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,399 went back and I watched post none, no live games, but like almost 83 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,199 three hours worth of Timberwolves games to try and understand what's happening defensively. I 84 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,160 don't understand what's happening defensively. The things I observed there is I do think 85 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,879 there's probably some bad luck there. Like teams are just killing them for mid 86 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:44,839 range. They're at forty five point five percent. They've hit some just like 87 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,639 pretty tough loaders over a Rudy Gobert. They've gotten some bad bounces as well 88 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,600 when you look at the defensive rebounding, but they've also been really bad at 89 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,079 defensive rebounding. They're twenty fourth right now, that's an issue. And when 90 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,600 you look at so a lot of the players on their team or some of 91 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,959 their lineups have done a really good job of getting back off of missus or 92 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,000 live ball turnovers. The starting lineup is not. They have been an absolute 93 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,120 disaster at getting back in transition. Twenty two point one percent of all their 94 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,720 opponent possessions against the starting five is in transition and thirty seven point one percent, 95 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:25,439 like thirty seven point one percent of their opponent possessions and in transition after 96 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,399 a missed shot by the Wolves, that is really bad. They're not getting 97 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,480 back when they commit turnovers, and that's an issue as well, Like there 98 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:35,680 is so like they are just behind the place so much and they're around the 99 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,120 bottom five, bottom six and turnover rate. At the moment, these three 100 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,959 teams have scored an average of one point five seven points per possession after the 101 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:46,279 Wolves commit a turnover, and the starting lineup, by the way, has 102 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,639 turned the ball over on nearly twenty percent of their possessions. When you look 103 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,639 at the actual defense, like being thirteenth overall in points per possession is fine, 104 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:59,360 but again that level of competition, Utah has been on fire. But 105 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:01,519 these teams are not supposed to be good. And even if you think Utah 106 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,399 supposed to have this like wildly elite offense, the Spurs and okay see are 107 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,800 not slash. They do not like so that is something to consider there. 108 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,199 And yeah, I mean San Antonio is twelfth in offense this year, but 109 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,439 like, how much of that has to do with the fact that they played 110 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:21,439 the Wolves. They are giving up a lot of threes in Minnesota and opponents 111 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:27,519 are hitting them. I think what I've noticed, and the timpermost broadcast has 112 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,040 pointed this out a couple of times too. They are toggling with their defensive 113 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,639 coverages, like even with Gobert, like you're in kind of a zone at 114 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:40,079 points, but then they're confusing it because they're actually just switching a bunch Some 115 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,439 of the big the bigger things that I've noticed from an individual perspective, Jane 116 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:49,759 McDaniels has some really weird just moments away from the ball. Karl Anthony Towns 117 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:53,279 needs to do a better job of not getting sealed off when he's the only 118 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:56,480 big on the court or letting guys get behind him. In semi transition, 119 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,600 not even transition transition, semi transition in general, there's been weird ball watching 120 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,560 when they're in their zone. I think nas Reid has been guilty of that 121 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:07,879 a ton at points. Andy Edwards looks flat out lost at times, just 122 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,000 a bunch of a bunch of weird stuff, and I do think some of 123 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,199 that could be Okay, Well, we're trying to we're going back to the 124 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,160 more aggressive scheme when gobets off the court. You could see it, not 125 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,920 fully from last year, but like you can see what the Wolves are trying 126 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:26,079 to do. They're forcing turnovers on sixteen point seven percent of plays in which 127 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,160 gobets and on the court versus ten point eight percent of plays when he's on 128 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:35,240 the court. My recommendation there would be, like, don't do that anymore, 129 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,639 Like stick with your baseline defense. I know, having additional packages and 130 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,399 schemes is important, Like it's all about versatility and adaptability whatever you want to 131 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,879 call it, however you want to frame it. That being said, like 132 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,879 when you're still so new to each other and you're trying to teach the Wolves 133 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,559 something new compared to last year, I think you really need to hammer in 134 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:58,720 the more conservative approach even when gobets off the court. Now, that does 135 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,360 leave you susceptible because Karl Anthony Towns is not built to play that way. 136 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,919 Like this way also kind of sort of isn't working all that well, and 137 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,840 you can just tell at this point, I would just wonder if more consistency 138 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,399 might streamline the development and then maybe you can get to a point once Jane 139 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,679 McDaniels and Anthy Edwards are more comfortable with this stuff. I don't know that 140 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,320 you're ever gonna count on. Maybe Karl Anthony Towns necessarily be like once you're 141 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,879 like your most important players are comfortable in the new system that you're trying to 142 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,159 go through, and a lot of the times it's just I will say they 143 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,320 are giving up a lot of threes, and a lot of them are wide 144 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:37,200 open threes. They thirty one twenty excuse me, twenty seven point five percent 145 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,399 of their opponent threes have gone completely young contested opponent when they're six or more 146 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,080 feet away. That's the highest mark in the league. And then their overall 147 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,399 opponent shots thirty thirty one point five percent of them are going completely uncontested, 148 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,159 so including two pointers, that is the by far and away the highest mark 149 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,960 in the league. It just feels like they're getting lost. I mentioned the 150 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,480 weird off all moments for Jane McDaniels and the half before when they're getting back 151 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,399 in transition. I don't know that there's like this hold on where you're supposed 152 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,879 we could say assignments, but like, are you you're not necessarily trying to 153 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,799 cross matches? Do you know where you're supposed to be in that zone? 154 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:13,559 Or I think the bigger thing, even like I said, is just letting 155 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,559 teams get behind them. And even Rudy Gobert has been guilty of this at 156 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,039 points, and I will it's harder for him because of where I'm not making 157 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,720 an excuse for those situations. It's going to be harder for him because he's 158 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,919 so near the basket a lot of the time on offense that to then have 159 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,559 to get like, yes, if if there's going to be a live ball, 160 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,720 misshot a long rebound, although statistically we know that you know, taking 161 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:41,919 threes does not lead to necessarily longer rebounds and more transition whatever, but if 162 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,960 there's a long rebound that lasts for a transition, if there is a turnover 163 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:48,519 from you know, above the free throw line, and you're below the free 164 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,360 throw line, it's just gonna be harder for him to get back. Those 165 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,679 are things I won't even I just I don't know that it's an effort thing. 166 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,279 I think it's just a grasp of what's happening. We should ask a 167 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,200 coach. I'm sure Chris Finch is been asked about this at toime. I'm 168 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,399 sure someone smarter than me is going to write about more of this or podcast 169 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,440 about more of this soon. I'm just wondering if it would benefit them to 170 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,360 be more consistent in what they're trying to run, even though I recognize that 171 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:18,519 because the lineups they do field are so dissimilar. When it's Gobert in towns 172 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,840 versus towns and no Gobert, let's say as the one that it can get 173 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,200 or just no Gobert that it can get messy. Trying to stick with that, 174 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,639 but you need to because a lot of the miscues have happened with Gobert 175 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,200 on the floor, and he's still been a defensive, just life force for 176 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,000 them. But it's clear that these guys are still trying to learn. I 177 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:43,440 guess where to be or how to know when to I guess necessarily, like 178 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,279 I don't know, like do they forget which coverage they're supposed to be running 179 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,159 there, there's just been even for a team that has been like relatively good 180 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,679 in the half court defensively, I think they're I mentioned there's seventh in half 181 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:01,600 court defensive efficiency, They've just still had just a lot of gas there from 182 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,799 what I've watched, And so I don't think this is going to be a 183 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,879 permanent issue for them. I do believe that the learning curve on defense might 184 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,720 last longer than we expected. But does it matter when Jaylen Nowell is gonna 185 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,360 win MVP? That's really the that's the actual question here. We're I think 186 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,799 we're gonna all have to watch them more closely when they're playing quote unquote better 187 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:24,759 teams. I know the Jazz are future NBA champions, but like you know, 188 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,360 when you're gonna go up against like you haven't been up against the Western 189 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:31,559 Conference superpower yet, and so in the coming weeks, that's something that we're 190 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,240 really going to need to once their schedule gets a little bit tougher, that's 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,159 something that we're really going to need to pay attention to. Kill. Hoss 192 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,639 asked if the Magic somehow got the number one pick, what the hell did 193 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,919 they do with their roster? And do we ever see women, Yama, 194 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Bulbo and Bomba on the court together. Pretty sure they break the record for 195 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,200 tallest lineup ever. I wonder if that would be the tallest lineup, it 196 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,120 would have to be they. I think the magic would just lean into the 197 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,440 weird that we've seen Franz Wagner play some actual point guard this season. It's 198 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,279 not been pretty, the magic of an offensive rating of eighty seven point nine 199 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,519 when he's at point guard. But like they have rolled out the it's sort 200 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,080 of the pet base of it is, Oh, it's gonna be Bomba, 201 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,639 Franz Wagner, Caleb Houston, and then they're sort of mixing ino Is Bobo, 202 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:18,799 Chumo KK and Palo Bank, Caro, Wendell Carter Junior. Like two 203 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,720 of those guys will be in there. That's what we see though, is 204 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,039 if you're if you're trying to build like the best player lineup, it's Franz 205 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,960 Wagner. I would put Palo Ban Carro in there right away, because now 206 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,360 you actually have all these creators with Wembin Yama, so Wagner, he's actually 207 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,639 scored well the pick and roll this year, and he was last I checked 208 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,559 at like fifty six percent shooting on his drives, less self creation than I 209 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,440 would say Paalo bean Caro for sure, who knows right off the bat with 210 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,000 Weben Yama. But you have those three guys and then I'd probably flesh it 211 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,039 out with Wendell Carter Junior and then just Bowbo like that's I don't even mean 212 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,000 to disrespect Obama, but like Bobo, like all of those guys can do 213 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,039 stuff on the ball where Mo Bamba really can't. So it's you run out 214 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:05,879 Bobol with ban Caro, with Franz Wagner, with Wemen Yama and then Wendell 215 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Carter Junior. That's what you roll out. I know you want to go 216 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,919 for size there, and so do you exchange Carter for Bomba in that situation? 217 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:15,519 Look, that's fine if you like they would fucking try it. Look 218 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,080 they're basically trying it now. Like we've seen four of these guys that we're 219 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,720 talking about. Themore we played together. So we've seen Bomba, ban Carro, 220 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,679 bowball and have we ever seen four though of the bigs? Yeah, 221 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,399 it was. We've seen Wagner, Caleb Houston, Bobo, Wendel car Junior, 222 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,279 and Bomba. I remember seeing those five together, and so you just 223 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,320 look, you take Caleb Houston out of there, and then you're gonna throw 224 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,919 in Palle But do you take Houston and then Wendel car Junior out there and 225 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:46,080 you throw in Weben Yama and Paula Man Carroll. That's not a stretch just 226 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,159 because Yeah, I think objectively Bomber or Bowboll is going to be your worst 227 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,919 players. Why not pull them? But those are the line umps that you 228 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:54,840 would be running. So if they do get Wemben Yama, uh, we're 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,559 absolutely seeing that unless they trade Wander both of bowbol and and Bomba. I 230 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,480 would be excited to see that unbiased Pistons fan as the learning world in which 231 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:11,279 Wemby doesn't go number one. Like aside from death and retirement, if Scoop, 232 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,200 it's if Scoot average fifty ten and ten, Wemby would still go number 233 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,759 one? Would he still go one with a Paul George level injury? Knock 234 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,039 on wood that that doesn't happen. I'm really interested in how transcendent of a 235 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,559 prospect he is compared to Scoot. Here's my having watched bits and pieces of 236 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,559 two games of each of these players, here's my un assalable take on this 237 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,480 da Scoot Henderson was like six inches taller n let's say five six seven, 238 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,200 he would be considered the better prospect. I think a big part of it 239 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,919 is there were questions about his jumper, but he seems like he's really worked 240 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,559 on that. The step back has looked very pretty, being able to dribble 241 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:52,600 into to pull ups. He's six two I really, I honest to God, 242 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,759 think that that's what it is. And then you would look at him 243 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,320 if he was six five six six six seven, be like, oh, 244 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,399 that's that's playmaking wing Terror's story. And then Wemby's just this like nine foot 245 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,200 seven, rail thin superstructure. How is he going to hold up? Those 246 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:10,559 questions? I think would be propped up even more, And so, barring 247 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:14,559 an injury, I don't see how Wemby doesn't go number one. And it's 248 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,519 just I think Scoot's really good. I would argue there's more of the meld 249 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,799 of speed and fluidity to his on ball game, where it's very fluid when 250 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,159 wemen Yama has the ball, but it's happening at a slower processing rate, 251 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,960 and I think part of that is not even necessarily an understanding of the game, 252 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,919 but like, he just has so much length that has to go with 253 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,519 him. It inherently takes longer. And so I don't know there's anything Scoot 254 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:40,799 could do to usurp him now. But if he was taller, let's say, 255 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,279 i'll say four inches taller, if he if he was six five six 256 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,080 six, he would probably be. I think he might be. Maybe he 257 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,879 wouldn't be. That's really unfair to say, because wemen Yamma is just but 258 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080 I do think it would be more of a discussion. I think a lot 259 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,200 of it does have to do with the fact that he's six two, and 260 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:00,200 then I think you're gonna he would have to be just like this more disruptive 261 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,879 defender as well. So like because he part of the appeal with Oneman Yama 262 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,200 is like, oh, he's party crashing plays from all the way behind them. 263 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,559 He's in the passing lane without actually being in the passing lane somehow at 264 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,440 all. That dude's a primary rim protector, but he's getting back in transition 265 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,400 and oh he knows how to use his length when he's on smaller players. 266 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:21,359 So he's definitely a transcendent prospect. I do think Scoot, who's already viewed 267 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,839 incredibly highly. It seems I think that if he was six five, let's 268 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,880 just six five, six six, I won't even go to six seven. 269 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:32,759 That maybe this is a different conversation. Jay Dobbs ninety four asked, fuck 270 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,720 Mary kill Jaw, Luca and Trey. I'm gonna say fuck Mary cut from 271 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,119 the team because kill is so morbid and I don't wish death upon any of 272 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,160 these guys. So fuck Mary cut with a K from the team, Jaw, 273 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,279 Luca and Trey. You marry Luca because of the stability there. He's 274 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,880 the closest thing we have to just a one dude contender right now, and 275 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,720 then you fuck Jaw like this, Every single possession from this guy is an 276 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:02,200 unforgettable experience. So he's just gonna rock your world for a night or whatever, 277 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,519 and you're never gonna forget. It's probably gonna be the best night of 278 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,440 your life. That's easy. And then Trey Young just becomes collateral damage there. 279 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,279 It's it's unfortunate, but I think that's what you go with when you 280 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:14,519 look at just their like comparing it to basketball games. That's what I just 281 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,000 like, sort of an analogizing that I would stick with it. It's Jaws 282 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,880 like the basketball player that you fuck because there's substance, but there's just so 283 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,240 much flash as well. Luca gives you that air of stability. Trey is 284 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,119 more of a wild card than both. I would argue, even though you 285 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,400 trust maybe he's off the dribble shot making more than Jaws. Away from the 286 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,960 rim. He's just smaller, going to be easier to move around on defense, 287 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,079 and look, he has killed at moments in the playoffs, so maybe 288 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,359 I'm wrong there. The Jaw versus trade debate is extremely fascinating. Usher. 289 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,559 With CB three region the eleven K milestone and assists, I wanted to know 290 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,519 which under twenty five player do you think will most likely reach that milestone, 291 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,839 or if you think no one currently will. It feels much more unlikely with 292 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,680 traditional guards and quotes becoming a thing of the past and many point guards are 293 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,519 focused much more on scoring. Love the show as always, Thank you, 294 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,319 Usher. I'm pretty sure this is also Chris Curtis, just because of how 295 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,240 you signed off, and I know for a fact Chris Curtis says he asked 296 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:14,480 questions in multiple mediums, so there was a riveting discussion about this in discord 297 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,680 I'm just like Chris Paul's in year eighteen and is averaging over nine assists for 298 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,559 his career, I believe, just trying to imagine someone doing that. Trey 299 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,759 Young and Luca were the ones that are most talked about, excuse me, 300 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:30,160 and there are no brainers. Does that ever pull back for either of them? 301 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,279 If you know Trey Young being off the ball more in Atlanta this season, 302 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,279 does that escalate down the line in the best version of the Hawks? 303 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,880 Looking at other players, I don't know that Kator Garland could ever get there, 304 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,039 especially looking at the makeup of their rosters now, because you just almost 305 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,519 can't afford maybe your first two years because CP three was only at like under 306 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,960 nine assists for both those years. But like you just there's no recovering if 307 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,119 you have a few years where you're playing alongside someone else who has a majority 308 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,279 of the playmaking duties. Haliburton, you know, he kind of like, 309 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,200 Okay, there's that pullback from the first two seasons, but like he's there 310 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:04,640 now, and so if he just keeps this up and he's the dude that 311 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,119 everyone thinks he is and he stays healthy. A sneaky one might be Lamello 312 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,920 this season could techually hurt him depending on how much time he misses, but 313 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,519 that would just be if you put him on a better team. He feels 314 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:22,400 like the guy who could have some really astrical, like astronomical seasons with assists 315 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,440 where it's like twelve twelve on a few seasons, and perhaps if he stays 316 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,039 healthy, that could get him there. I don't see anyone else. If 317 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:33,119 any if anyone else disagrees, feel free to get at me. Romeo eighty 318 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,880 one eighty. How do you justify putting RJ. Barrett ahead of Wendell Carter 319 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,319 Junior on your top twenty five under twenty five list? Please explain, sir. 320 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,720 I'm not sure Barrett will ever be able to shoot. He couldn't in 321 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,519 high school, couldn't in college, and still can't in the NBA. What 322 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,799 good is rim pressure if the ball doesn't go in. While Carter's not an 323 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,839 amazing long range shooter, he at least scores efficiently at the rim and makes 324 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:53,880 his free throws. Plus shooting is a bit less critical in his position. 325 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,880 I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he has a good argument for 326 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,359 being a better player on both ends of the court, especially when you start 327 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,599 digging into the numbers. He Romeo also or rome Romeo said not to waste 328 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,559 time on this. With the mail bag, We're going to waste time on 329 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,720 this. Look. I was pretty upfront that twenty five was a tough decision. 330 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:14,759 I considered MPJ, I considered Wendell Carter Junior. I considered Caldon Johnson. 331 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,839 I considered Anfrey Simons. I'm not saying I'm might. When I look 332 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,920 at RJ. I do think that, oh, he can't shoot is overstated 333 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,359 the past two years. And yes, he's off to a slow start this 334 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,799 year. I think he's at like twenty seven percent I'm catching shoot threes. 335 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,640 But he's been able to hit catching shoot threes at between thirty eight and forty 336 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,920 percent clips over the past two years on real volume, higher volume than Wendell 337 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,039 Carter Junior has seen. I think that matters. The rim pressure, to 338 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:37,640 me, absolutely matters. I just looked, you know, I just described 339 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,599 how when I'm talking about younger players trying to graduate into different types of roles, 340 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,000 I'm gonna throw efficiency out the window a little bit. And when you 341 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,400 look at RJ. Barrett this year, look the moments on offense, they 342 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,119 have not been even kind of sort of pretty for most of this year, 343 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,200 but that room pressure is still there. Forty percent of his shots are coming 344 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,960 at the rim and is shooting. Until the game against the Hornets, I 345 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,079 think he was hovering around sixty percent at the basket, which would be a 346 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:06,839 career high, and so that's scaling upward. I don't think the Knicks have 347 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,039 really given him legitimate spacing even yet. There's definitely better versions this season. 348 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240 Having as a Hartenstein on the court helps a ton. This version of Julius 349 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:18,480 Randall helps a ton. Jalen Brunson of course. So to me, there's 350 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,480 a plugin play aspect to R. J. Barrett's offense because I trust him 351 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,599 to knock down spot up jumpers in the aggregate. If this if he goes 352 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,200 through an entire season like this in year four, yeah, when it was 353 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,640 year one, it was whatever, years two and three he was more consistent 354 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,079 with it, then I'll be concerned. I think there's a better finisher here. 355 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,319 I think we're going to see it by the end of this season two. 356 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:38,720 And rim pressure is still going to help you draw more fouls even if 357 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,480 you're not finishing. Last year, his shooting foul percentage was the highest of 358 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:47,559 his career. That is not going to be a coincidence. This year already 359 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:51,359 he's on pace to have like the highest and one percentage of his career two 360 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,599 so that stuff matters. His shooting. His shooting foul percentage though, that 361 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,640 is down. But at the same time, look at his three three throws. 362 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,920 He's I think shooting eighty three plus percent on free throws this year. 363 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,920 If I'm not mistaken, he's over eighty percent. I believe that's an improvement, 364 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,759 not always a good indicator of shooting. I'm not saying he's going to 365 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:12,079 hit step backs or ever really have the great pull up mid range game. 366 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,759 But just as shooting isn't critical to Wendel Carter Junior's position, I don't think 367 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,799 ARJ Barrett needs that pull up game. Look at Jimmy Butler. I'm not 368 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,440 saying they're the same players, because they're not. The other thing is I 369 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,680 think he's an understated passer. Wend O'carter Junior is still probably better there. 370 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,839 Defensively. R J has taken on really tough assignments the past three year or 371 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,440 two plus like two previous seasons plus this one, and I don't think he 372 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,720 receives enough credit for how well he's done with it. I trust him against 373 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,559 Yeah, there was a game against the Grizzlies. Yeah, he got burned 374 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,759 a lot by John Morant and was like dying, like not necessarily on screens, 375 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,759 but like sort of like floating around them, and it felt like it 376 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,960 was infecting his offense. But like he can actually handle those types of assignments 377 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,160 and not be absolutely slaughtered, Like he's the guy that you can least turn 378 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,960 to. And no, maybe not feel great about it, but the fact 379 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,599 that he is doing that, it makes me think about, well, the 380 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,680 best version of himself probably doesn't include doing that. So how much of it 381 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,240 more of an impactful defender can he still be? And I still think he's 382 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,839 been pretty damn good. What I would say is I would have to go 383 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,200 back and look at the I should have, But this was one of the 384 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,039 last questions I was adding, So I didn't study foward too much because I 385 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:21,640 thought that I did enough on the under twenty five. Who knew if you 386 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,839 look at it. I just feel like he's had to guard a higher caliber 387 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,160 of player over the course of his career, and I value the returns I've 388 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,640 seen from there. I value the more long standing sample size of him knocking 389 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000 down set three pointers. I was taking a gamble on his rim pressure. 390 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,599 But Wendell Carter Junior, I was also looking at his role this year feels 391 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,960 a little bit more complimentary. Still, you know, slow start picked it 392 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:45,119 up since he's really good. I said he could be an All Star this 393 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,839 season, and maybe had he gotten off to a faster start, I wouldn't 394 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,319 have let myself get colored by this. It was close. I don't think 395 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,119 I think Romeo, if you're just going to say, and I know where 396 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,359 your name is, so I'm calling you Romeo. But anyway, if I 397 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,920 think, if you say that Wendell Carter Junior is better than RJ. Barrett 398 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,119 right now, that's fine. I don't think it's just like a given, 399 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,039 and maybe it isn't. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I would justify 400 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,640 it is. I trust his set shooting more already, even again in the 401 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,839 larger sample size that we've seen, and Wendell Carter Junior a problem in Chicago. 402 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,599 I mean, we just saw it happened with Larry markin He was a 403 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,480 victim of that too. Didn't really get the chance to like bust out in 404 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,400 this consistent fashion until last year, so we are dealing with a little bit 405 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,599 more of an unknown with him. He's always shown the flashes of defense and 406 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:32,279 then some of the well rounded offensive skill set, someone like a big being 407 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:36,279 able to just get that north south fuel without a running headstart, like you 408 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:41,079 don't see that a ton again. The skeleton, as I said a lot 409 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,880 in that article or audio podcast, whatever of that game, is there fringe 410 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,720 stardom even, but I would have to see a larger sample of it before 411 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:53,920 I'm ready to definitively say that he's better than r J, and RJ would 412 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,240 have to make zero improvements. So that's just where I land on that. 413 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:03,599 I'm not saying what I believed was Opel though Loan beepop in honor of the 414 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,759 late Tony Brown, r I P to Tony Brown. Does Dan have any 415 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,000 memorable slash favorite referees he enjoys calling games or any referee player interactions he found 416 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,079 memorable or funny. For me, I always enjoyed Dan Crawford. He's a 417 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,160 Chicago native native and I think still lives there. I enjoyed another Crawford, 418 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,920 Joey Crawford was just funny way over the top and pissed off Tim Duncan, 419 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,480 Like how do you piss off Tim Duncan so so visibly where it's yeah, 420 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,440 he had the facial expression at the point, but like he was just so 421 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,920 mad, So I have to give I don't know if it's credit, but 422 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,240 that was fun. Ken Mauer always like looked like he's there to whack someone. 423 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,440 I felt like I was watching good Fellows on Broadway or something. Bill 424 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,799 Kennedy has an I'm jacked and I know it swagger about him. I very 425 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:51,920 much appreciate that. And then Lauren hole Camp I'd kill for her running stride 426 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,680 and she has this stareing to your soul bag of facial expressions that I think 427 00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,200 or just sometimes the whistles in her mouth too, so it just adds like 428 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,440 a like just a layer of don't I don't even know what the word is. 429 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,200 It's just like hysteria to it, like it's just like, oh that 430 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,839 that just happened. It just gives it a different look when when she has 431 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,839 the whist of her mouth too, and she's sort of just like glaring or 432 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,440 smiling with her eyes. So yeah, those are the four for me. 433 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,599 I've I've never been somebody who gets two into referees, like I can't bring 434 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,960 myself to get into oh what team's records are when when this ref is on 435 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,880 the court, or the conspiracy theories that are out there with teams and their 436 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,119 referees, but like you know, you know certain referees, or like Joey 437 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,200 Crawford was always one where it was just like gonna be so flamboyant with his 438 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,799 calls. Bill Kennedy's gonna like saddle up into the camera, make sort of 439 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,000 a show of it, kind of like that, oh they're they're here to 440 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,839 see me type deal, like stephen A. Smith walking into an NBA arena. 441 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,319 So like I could appreciate that, I don't really get mad at refs. 442 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,119 I think that's probably the benefit of covering covering the league at large, 443 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,839 even though I am a deadingly disenchanted Knicks fan. But yeah, that's r 444 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,400 I p to Tony Brown. But we all watch basketball to watch the refs 445 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,519 and so like that, that's why you ask and answer this question. Thank 446 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,039 you all for asking these questions. This was long enough that I actually might 447 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,480 split into the two that I normally would. I guess you won't know until 448 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,079 I publish it. 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