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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
the Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here

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Weekday Afternoon's on the Drive And as
a shooting enthusiasts and someone who watches out

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for our Second Amendment rights, I'm
always intrigued when I find a story like

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this that was sent to me by
Rudy. It's a story of a man

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named Russell Fincher, who is a
high school history teacher a part time gun

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dealer. He also coaches Little League
and is a Baptist minister in his hometown

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of Tuskahoma in southeast Oklahoma. As
a gun dealer, he's got a Federal

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Firearm License and f f L.
He doesn't have a brick and mortar store,

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but he is what is called a
kitchen table fl He buys and sells

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guns at gun shows, including the
Want a Maker Arm Show in Tulsa,

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the Big One. Back in April, he received a call from the Bureau

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of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms saying
they wanted to do an inspection at his

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home. He agreed, saying you
can come anytime you want. First Mistake

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two atf inspectors arrived a few days
later. They spent three hours in his

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home. They took pictures of his
guns with their cell phones, which he

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says he's learned that is an illegal, although common practice. Mistake number two.

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The inspectors returned two weeks later,
so they had some concerns involving his

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penmanship, which they couldn't read in
a couple of forms. They also found

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he had juxtapositioned two model numbers of
firearms with the weapon serial number. He

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was attempting to rectify them, he
said on the form. Then he and

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his son were packing up for a
gun show in Tulsa when the phone rang.

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It was the ATF. They wanted
to talk to him before he left

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for the gun show. He agreed. Mistake number three. Come on out

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to the house, he said.
Seven vehicles roared up to his property and

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disgorged a dozen ATF agents wearing tactical
gear and armed with a R fifteens.

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They cuffed him on the front porch
of his house and began to search his

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house, asking him questions the entire
time. One by one they yelled at

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him, asked what he was doing. In his mind, he thought that

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they were about to beat him up. As soon as I said, if

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you want my fl you can have
it. One of the agents pulled out

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a piece of paper and said,
we'll sign here. He made three copies

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in case I screwed one up Mistake
number four. It ended up being exactly

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what they wanted. As soon as
he relinquished his federal firearms license, the

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ATF began loading up his guns,
including a cultmander, five glocks, and

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a mint Ak Polytech preband milled fold
under, which was worth thousands of dollars.

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He is an essence out of business
as an FFL dealer and as a

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kitchen table dealer. Now let's go
through this again. This is a textbook

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example of what you shouldn't do when
the ATF comes knocking at your door.

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Now, they're not likely to come
knocking on your door if you are not

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a kitchen table dealer, or if
you are just a regular joe like you

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and me. But lesson number one. If they want to go through your

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home, you say, as soon
as you show me a warrant, they

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cannot enter your private property without probable
cause. He has no brick and mortar

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store, so they have nothing to
raid. If they come back and say,

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yeah, we want to go through
your property one more time, say

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I want to see another warrant.
They cannot go through your property without your

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consent, and they cannot take pictures
while in your property without your consents.

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Finally, no matter what, do
not well this isn't Finally, do not

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say anything to them without your lawyer
presence. And then finally, do not

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relinquish your FFL without your lawyer presence. Now, in all fairness to mister

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Fincher, I don't know if he
if there were some questions about the guns

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he had stolen. In other words, did the ATF find a questionable serial

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number that may have matched the serial
number of a gun used in a crime

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that he had acquired, and did
that flag him in the eyes of the

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ATF. I don't know that,
because if that were the case, they

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would have probable cause, but probably
were too lazy to go and get the

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warrant. Did the fact that he
juxtaposed some paperwork flag him? Hey wait

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a minute, this looks like this
paperwork has been altered. Possibly, And

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I don't know the content of the
license of an fl of federal firearms license.

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I don't know what it says.
If the license somewhere says you will

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be subject to surprise inspections by the
ATF. Well, then you've already surrendered

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your rights to a warrant, but
you haven't surrendered your right to keep that

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FL if they find something, so
don't say anything to the eight. And

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this is the other thing about the
ATF. I hate to give them any

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credit for anything, because I really
believe the ATF's aims. I don't know

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if bored because they don't find enough
crime here in Oklahoma. I don't know

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if they are outraged because they hate
to see gun shows and they hate to

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see you and me walking around with
ares. I don't know the answer to

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any of those questions, but I
do know they appear. The ATF appears

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to have no goal other than to
make war on the people of Oklahoma.

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Like this gentleman. It sounds to
me like they went out of their way

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to find violations on this guy and
nail them. The question remains, are

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they planning to do the same with
other holders of an FL? You tell

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me what you think? Four or
five eight four one four or five eight

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four one nine one eight four six
thirteen hundred n Tulsa. Thanks for listening

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