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Weird Things happened in the Weird Weird
Weird. Welcome to today's special swapcast with

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I am Ryan Bledsoe and I am
Nicker of Bledsoe said, So, joining

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us tonight is Meredith Hack with Edwards
of Meredith for Real, the Curious Introvert,

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and we're also joining you. Yes, we are joining each other.

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This is the joining of the pupils
because this is a swapcast. Yeah,

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this is our first time doing a
swapcast on our end. I'm actually excited

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because, like I said, like
before we you know, ever hosted our

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own podcast, I'd always heard swopcasts. I'm like, oh, I want

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to do one someday. So here
we are. You have made one of

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my dreams come true. So just
for anybody who's on our end, who

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you know, who's catching up and
is learning of Meredith for the first time,

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Meredith is super cool. She interviewed
my dad and just reached out to

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me. I think we had followed
each other for a little while and you

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reached out to me through Instagram and
you said the very kind DM about our

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show, and immediately I was like, you know what, I just think

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it'd be better if you came on
it. So here we are. I

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think we've had at least one really
long, really I think productive conversation leading

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us here today, and I just
felt really good about collabing. So I'm

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gonna get out of here. Yeah
no, no, me too. I

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want to say what I say to
everyone, what I said to you when

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I was noticing your show. I
was, you know, playing with my

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plans as one does, and binging
all of your episodes. And because one

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of your listeners, actually when the
episode with your dad aired, one of

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your listeners reached out to me and
said, hey, you need to listen

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to Ryan and Nick's podcast and specifically
listen to the episode about the hypnosis regression

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sessions. And then I think I
had to reach out to you to figure

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out what episode it was, but
I found it, and that's what I

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was listening to. I expected it
to be much browier than it was.

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That the messagement. Yeah, yeah, I really did. I stereotyped you.

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Sorry about that episode, but it's
like, it's so smart, but

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it's so like living room ish at
the same time, and I was you

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very impressed. No, we're getting
away from the bro thing. That's right,

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that's right. No, I was
actually tickled when you said that in

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the message, because like from the
start, that's one thing that that we

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set out to not be was just
some like you know, Okay, we're

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three males making a podcast, but
we we we we really like our crystal

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girls who tune into the show too, so you know, and that's that's

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a that's an old meme that I
don't think we've talked about in probably a

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year. But yeah, I mean
we have a pretty sizeable female audience,

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and honestly, I mean it's great. I think it's I love having like

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we have almost a fifty to fifty
split, and that's like one of the

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things I'm most proud of about the
show. That's yeah, I don't know

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that that really Yeah, we say
dude a lot. If that makes you

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broy then that's kind of our We
say bro a lot. Yeah, you

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do say dude a lot. I
did notice that it's like it's a like

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a subjunctive, it's a noun,
it's an adjective like it's in everything,

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which but you know, there could
be worse things. So so yeah,

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I was very impressed. So I
want my listeners to definitely check out your

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show because it's really great, and
I know a lot of my listeners I

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have learned are very much into the
topic of phenomenon, which is something I

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didn't know in the beginning. But
you know, I've been doing this since

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the end of twenty nineteen, so
it's been a minute and I'm learning more

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about my audience every day and they
love it. So I really think that

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they'll love your show and mine is
I cover sometimes phenomenon stuff, but it's

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not a phenomenon show. It's a
society culture show, and I talk about

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taboo topics through nuanced conversations. So
if you've ever wished that internet headlines weren't

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just Internet headlines, like if you
could wish you could dive deeper into stuff,

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that's kind of what we do.
So things like are trigger warnings helping

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us or making us weaker? And
how do you actually know if you're an

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alcoholic? How are we supposed to
make friends as an adult? And why

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is male anxiety so stigmatized but women's
anxieties like super accept it and you know,

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stuff like that. So it's it's
fun. It's a really it's a

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really fun and uh, very it's
it's stimulating for me. I really enjoy

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the conversations that we have. So
to to one of those points, I

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just visited my sister shout out Emmy
and in Tampa, uh two weeks ago

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now, And yeah, she just
moved to Tampa in the month of July.

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She's only been there for a few
months, you know, coming from

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North Carolina, has no friends out
there, really, and I kid you

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not, she there isn't there is
like it's like bumble but for making friends.

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And she goes on dates with people
that she's made friends without. And

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she's found a young lady her age, I say, young lady like my

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sister's not my age, right,
but you know, and yeah, she

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goes on friend dates through through a
friend platonic dating app and it's it's really

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adorable. So I mean, it's
never too late to make friends, right,

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I know. It's like their second
date was right when I left.

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They had their second friends. Wow. I love that. And then to

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the other point, you know,
you you you had to encourage your listeners

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to come check us out. Well, I want to do the same to

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our listeners before we get into the
meat of this. Yeah, because I

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got to say, like Meredith's I
had followed you before your episode with My

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Dad even aired, because naturally,
you know, me and my dad talk

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and he told he tells me who
shows he's going to go on, and

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I went and I followed you in
advance. And I have to say,

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like your Instagram is it has an
amazing esthetic. I think that the content

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that you produce is amazing. It's
to me, it's very like, I

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don't want to say documentary style.
It's very much like the vibe I get

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is you're like out there in the
world, like you're doing stuff, you're

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documenting that you're doing stuff. You're
hitting these really cool, expansive topics.

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And I have to say, like, to be fair, our show is

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not really a phenomenon show either because
we really talk about the phenomenon when it's

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relevant or you know, and it's
on our hearts to share. But we

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talk about such a wide range of
other topics, and I think there's a

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crossover between you know, we're just
exploring a lot of spiritual and philosophical things.

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We're really doing the same thing that
you're doing, just in a different

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arena. You know, maybe you're
doing it better, you know, but

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anyway, they're complimentary. I think
our shows are in the same vein for

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sure. Yeah, so, yeah, I appreciate that, and I'm excited.

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It's like yours has a little bit
more of like the social like dust

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on it, and ours has a
little bit more of the spiritual dust.

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Dust was the only word that came
to my mind. So I'm sorry,

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but when you combined dust with the
hand motion that you just made it hits

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like that tracks, you know,
like I was buying with that. Hey,

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I want my listeners to know who
you guys are, So can you

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introduce yourselves? Tell them? I
mean, I've talked about your show,

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but can you tell them like who
you are as you know humans? Sure,

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Nick, you want to go first? Sure, my name is Nicholas

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Fermanitis. I am lucky enough to
co host Bledsoe said. So with Ryan,

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we started it a few years ago. I started I really wanted to

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be a part of it because Ryan's
been my best friend for over fifteen years,

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and I felt like if I could
help him shine some light on his

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family and their experiences and maybe even
have like some Catharsis come out of this

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project. If I could help him
do that, that's like the greatest gift

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in the world that I could receive. So that's why I wanted to do

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the podcast. We also have a
little band that we call twice Born.

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I'm really into music, so yeah, that's that's that's me in a nutshell.

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You beat me too, and I
I you might not know this,

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but now when I go on podcasts, I'm definitely dropping twice Born. We

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do have a heavy metal band,
twice Born. It's like the podcast is

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our main baby, our bread and
butter that we work on like all the

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time, and then we do have
our other creative venture together. So twice

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Born heavy Metals. It's our fun
thing. And then as far as the

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main thing, I'm Ryan Bledsoe.
I'm the other host of Bletso Said So

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And you guys listening from from Meredith's
side of of our family lines here,

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I'm just gonna like say that our
podcasts are like family. Now. I

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like to create that picture. We're
at least weed smoking cousins. You sneak

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out at Christmas and you're like for
a walk. Yeah. But but sometimes

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I like to think of myself as
like the wise old uncle that that like

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leads you out to the shed in
the forest and then you find out he

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has all these magical mushrooms that are
mushrooms. Yeah, I mean, let's

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let's just take it up a not
you know, yeah, and then and

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then we'll and then we'll do a
little d M T. No. But

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seriously, for those who are coming
from Meredith's side, you should know who

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we are if you heard my dad's
episode. My father is Christopher Bledsoe Sr.

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He's like one of the most documented, uh publicly acclaimed. I guess

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you could call it UFO experiencers.
He's a best selling author of UFO of

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God. And uh, we do
have a recent documentary Channel or excuse me,

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History Channel documentary episode Beyond Skinwalker Ranch
episode eight season finale. It's literally

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called Chris bled so I highly recommend
if you guys haven't heard that, you

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pause this right now, you go
watch that, and then you come back,

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because then you'll kind of really understand
what we're getting into when we get

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into some of this deep stuff.
But that's who we are. In a

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nutshell. We talk about all kinds
of spiritual, philosophical, esoteric, religious,

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whatever, metaphysical occult. We talk
about all those fun nuggets, but

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then we sprinkle in a lot of
like our life experience dealing with the phenomenon

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and the DoD, NASA, CIA, all these intelligence agencies who've kind of

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like poked and prodded at me and
my family throughout my life. We hit

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on a lot of that stuff too, So it's really a dynamic thing.

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And honestly, I don't really think
I don't really think there's anything else like

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it, So I think you're right, Yes, yeah, yeah, I

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take notes when I listened to y'alls
high cast, I'm like, her medas

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is both nyras, what is all
this stuff? Yeah? And also I'm

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super excited because until I've done the
podcast, I really have not met a

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lot of people who also have a
background and Pentecostal holiness. Yeah, and

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that is also my Christian background,
Pentecostal holiness. So I'm really excited to

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get into that today. Yeah.
So maybe we should start there because I'm

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assemblies of former assemblies of God and
your former Pentecostal holiness and they're weed smoking

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cousins, So we should let's set
the stage. I think there's a big

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chunk of my audience who know what
a simlies of God is. But maybe

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let's let's start with like Pentecostal holiness, like describe them, like, were

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you like tambourines and streamers or like
what, No, no streamers because that

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would be vain, right, Oh
okay, oh there's no dancing. You

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want me to just run it through
like what Pentecostals were, Yeah, run

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through it. Yeah, run through
it. I want to make sure I'm

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respectful when I don't want to like, you know, hurt anybody's feelings.

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And you know, I still have
a lot of love for Christ. And

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I'm not saying, you know,
shun religion. What I am saying is

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I've had a very traumatic religious upbringing, being a family who was having you

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know, very intense paranormal experiences and
then going and telling people in the community,

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including our church, and then the
way they treated us was very vicious,

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very cruel. So I'm, you
know, like, I don't want

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to like lash out at Christianity,
but it hasn't really been kind to my

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family. So I just, you
know, it's it's how it is.

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But I say all that to say
Pentecostal it's probably like two steps removed from

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Amish, you know, like if
you if you had a sliding scale of

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how strict your denomination of Christianity is
it's like you have Amish at the top,

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where you live in these ascetic villages
removed from society. They don't even

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have technology. And then it's like
Mennonite, which is a level lower.

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I'm not very familiar with Mennonites,
but I know it's like, you know,

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it's it's very similar to Amish,
but they still live in society.

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And then you have Pentecostals, which
are like imagine that, you know,

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if you've ever seen a movie that's
parodying or satiring Christianity where it's like that

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old timey, really old tiny brick
building with thirty or four people in the

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old fashioned hundred year old pews with
the stained glass windows, and the only

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instrument they have is like a piano
and tambourines, and like everybody's you know,

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very very committed to praise in like
loud worship and shouting in tongues and

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like all that's that's what Pentecostal is. It's extremely strict. Women only can

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wear long skirts down to their ankles, no piercings, no makeup, no

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hair color, you can't drink alcohol. I mean, it is extremely strict.

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Like every book or every word in
the book is one hundred percent infallible.

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It is literal every interpretation that it
like for you know, Earth being

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six thousand years old all that stuff. It's like, it's like Pentecostal is

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one of those old timey really sort
of like underground and modern times, like

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you know, maybe have an aunt
and uncle who goes there, but not

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many people have really been there.
I mean it's just strict, you know.

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And yeah, so it sounds like
Pentecostal holiness is like the country cousin

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of a symbly of God, and
Assimblies of God is like the city kid.

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Yeah, I'm not very familiar with
assemblies of God to be honest.

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Okay, So Assimblies of God is
a sect of Pentecostal Okay, and it

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I mean, I can just tell
you, like I'm not going to go

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through like the official whatever because I
don't know it off the top of my

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head. But we swam in T
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was very charismatic in the worst up. I actually really enjoyed that a lot.

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always thought it was just so beautiful
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was just, oh my god,
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I loved it. I mean this
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this is pre uh smoke on stage, you know, with like the the

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special effect, Like god, the
fog fucking fog machine. Can I have

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to cuss on your show? I
hope I have absolutely? Hell yeah,

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the fog machines. That's when I
was like, is my tithe money paying

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for a fucking fog machine? No? I am yeah about this life.

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But I loved Palm Sunday, So
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okay. Dancing at a wedding,
you know, you couldn't do like club

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dancing. Definitely, no secular music, no cussing, no sleeping together.

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wedding day was their first kiss.
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me, so it was very you
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goodbye. If any of your listeners
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know what that means. And yeah, so I'm purity culture yeah and yeah,

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but like but a little bit more
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know, modesty, but also kind
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all the you know, the nineties
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Man, Love me some Jerassic Let's
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are you from the Pentecostal holiness background
too? No, So I kind of

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have an interesting uh duality in my
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like my parents, we always went
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denominational, like you know what,
like the big right, like the fog

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machine, Like the fog machine was
in there since the day that I was

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going there. I'm pretty sure that
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like, you know, a lot
of that stuff and like that. I

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don't know if you've ever been to
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very opposite to what you guys are
describing with like the strict stuff. I

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mean, you still follow the tenants
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There's not like cursing, you're not
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about like drinking alcohol and you know, but it wasn't like girls have to

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wear a skirt and they're not allowed
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that. So that was half of
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the time I went with my grand
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and if you're familiar with Anglican it's
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it's like it's like a Catholicism light. It's like it's diet Catholicism for sure.

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the the prayer is similar. There's
like similar hymns. It's it's it's really

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really similar, you do. Like
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was like the little plastic cup with
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the Anglican church, it was like
everybody go to the altar and kneel and

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fed unleavened bread and drink wine.
Like if you're four years old, you're

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drinking wine, you know that,
like that that kind of thing, And

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that was a more strict kind of
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I've been to church with Ryan many
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and vice versa absolutely, and I
love the next church. I'm sure Ryan

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would agree. Uh, he basically
just said it it's nowhere near as strict

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as as what he's used to.
So that's my background, but that doesn't

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take away from the severity of it, you know what I mean. Like

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it may not have been as strict
as like freaking obey or die, you

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know, you got to follow these
tenants, but it's it's still the same

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kind of like strict adherents and belief
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it's very similar to no, you
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and I still to this day am
like working out the kinks of some religious

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trauma. So like it still did
its number on me. For here's an

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example. Like, for instance,
you know, I grew up Pentecostal,

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but you know what, my dad
let me watch whatever rated R movie I

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wanted. He didn't care. You
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Uh you know, I'm not sure
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but his parents wouldn't even let him
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oh, yeah, things like that
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it doesn't matter whose church was more
strict, you know, because at the

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end of the day, it's like
what your family and what your parents believe

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and what they take home and what
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yeah, and I would add like
your personality, like how you your personal

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internal filter interprets things, you know, how you your personal how you manifest

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the outer message into an internal world, and so that's that's it too.

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So yeah, yeah, there's all
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to know for you personally, Like
Ryan, what was your how would you

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describe your personal faith pre pre January
two thousand and seven phenomenon moment because I

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was gonna say pre Well, but
phenomenon has always been a part of your

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life, so that doesn't really work, right, I understand. Yeah,

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like before I started having those experiences, Yeah, before the big moment.

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Well, I'm thirty now, and
I know I don't look at I look

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about eight. I know, let's
get that out of the way for everybody.

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Whatever. But you look very spelt
and manly and thirty. Thanks bro,

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you do. But yeah, so
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I mean I was, I was
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it's funny. I didn't really start
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about fourteen. Before that, my
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dad just took us to like this
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and then we migrated to the Pentecostal
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the phenomenon. But like I said, I always grew up with a family

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who was Pentecostal, and my grandmom
and you know, many of it was

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always in the family, right,
So that's that's what I came from.

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That's what I was. You know, I'm not gonna lie to you and

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tell you that going to these strict
churches that I wasn't, you know,

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a little kid just like every other
kid, you know, sneaking off of

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saying cuss words and playing grand theft
auto and stuff like that. I mean,

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you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't really matter how strict

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your churches. Kids want to kids, right, But I still believed I

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still would sit up as a kid. Literally, I mean me and my

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brothers. I have two older brothers
and a younger sister. But my older

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brothers we would sit around and I
remember, years before we experienced the phenomenon,

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my older brothers would be like,
what what do you guys think aliens

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are real, and we're like,
yeah, you know, and and I

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think I think my brother Chris Junior
was like, well, when I die,

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I want to ask God if aliens
are real? You know stuff like

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that, Like we we really believed. And I'll never forget being like ten

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years old and sitting in church and
hearing the other kids of the youth group

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being like, well, when I
die, I want to go to heaven

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and be the incredible Hulk. Well, I want to be a super saying

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you know, like you know,
as a kid, like really believing in

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heaven, really really believing in Hell
and having that deep fear of if,

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you know, if I don't say
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and crash this car, I'm not
going to go to hell or you know,

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should I always be on alert to
say that last forgiving prayer to save

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my soul so I don't burn forever. I mean, it was the cycle

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of constant and guilt and shame,
like wanting to be a normal kid,

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but also living in constant fear of
hell, and not even fear of the

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devil, but fear of God right, because it's you know, it's like

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work out your salvation with fear and
trembling, fear the Lord that God right,

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and I believe that, and I
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you know, going to Pentecostal churches, I would watch everybody around me go

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and kneel, and my pastor,
God bless him. He would say,

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uh, you know basically, you
know, God, God, God is

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God is Uh, God is is
is watching. You know, like if

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if you're if you're shouting and joyful
and and and praise in church, that's

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that's appreciated. It's like stacks up
in the Kingdom of Heaven. But you

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know, I'd be worried about the
ones sitting in the pews with with you

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know, with sitting there cold and
not not praying and shouting and rejoicing together

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on Sunday. It was like that
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I'm not. I was kind of
introverted. I didn't want to shout in

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church. Everyone's around me dancing in
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like embarrassed I'm not, and they
kind of shame you. Yes, it's

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a low key shame you. Yes, if you're not like outspoken like everybody

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else's quote unquote supposed to be it's
it's messed up exactly. And I would

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so many times all the way up
until I was like eighteen, regularly going

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to the Pentacolt Church. I would
walk myself to the altar every Sunday and

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I would kneel and I would pray, and I would pray, and I

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would pray prostrate on my face,
trying to cry, you know what I

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mean, like trying trying to trying
to shed the guilt and the shame.

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And I have to say it never
worked. But that's what I really come

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from. I really did believe that
way until you know, two thousand and

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seven, Like I said, when
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the lights in the sky with my
family, and I will say, I

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don't know if you're aware of this
story, Meredith, but one of the

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very worst moments of my entire life, like if I was to die and

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pass through into the Bartow loop,
where I see my life on repeat,

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like we all do, you know, you see the sequences of your life

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play out and all the grand pleasures
and traumas. I probably we would see

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this moment thrown in my face multiple
times, where at thirteen years old,

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I watched as a Baptist preacher came
into my house with holy oil and tried

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to exercise the devil out of my
dad for seeing these lights. That was

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that was the reaction from the church
to us, you know, and at

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such a young age, experiencing this
this phenomenon, all this stuff and you

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know, NASA cum and knocking and
the CIA, and then the interaction with

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the church, it was it was
very crushing and I realized, at a

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young age, they don't have it
figured out. I think, you know,

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they're in the right place. I
think maybe at the time I'm thinking

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me, you know, fifteen twenty
years ago or whatever, I'm thinking like,

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maybe they're in the right place.
Maybe the Bible is the right knowledge,

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and maybe I should be here.
But I know something that they don't,

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you know. That was my thinking, like I know something they don't.

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It's my little secret going out and
seeing the lights in the sky.

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They're telling us it's demons whatever I
know it's not. You know, we

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pray and they appear. So it
was this strange dichotomy of like having these

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experiences, having this this knowledge and
all this stuff going on, but then

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still trying to blend into church and
it didn't It didn't last. Yeah,

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it's kind of like you had a
secret in a way. How you described

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your response and your your reaction to
your faith community is kind of like in

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a cerebral space, you know,
like and you're a cerebral guy, you

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know, Like I've properly cyberstuct you, so I know, oh you know,

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you know, like like there's some
people that really come from like a

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really heart led place and everything is
about the feelings and charging their crystals in

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the moonlight, and I I I
hear you kind of on the opposite side,

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you know. You you said a
word a minute ago that I'm like,

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oh, I should write the down
another bar loop and yeah, well

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yeah, bar I'm gonna write it
down right now. It's like the Book

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of the Dead. It's like when
you die and you go into this spiritual

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state where you're seeing your life on
repeat, and it's like, do I

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want to jump to the next life
or where are we going from here?

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You know, to betan book always
that. I love that, But what

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I would love to know is like, how did you feel about God?

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Like did you have you know,
to use jargon from our past lives?

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Did you have a personal relationship with
God or was it truly just a ping

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pong of messaging that was you know, guilt salvation. Guilt salvation. Yeah,

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so yeah, like before the phenomenon, it definitely would would have been

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guilt salvation. I never I think
that people can say all day that they

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have a personal relationship with God.
But in my experience in life, I

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have observed few people that I believe
that to be true. And like,

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it's funny, this might come as
like an out of left field hook,

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but like Nick's dad is one of
those people who I've sat back and I've

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observed and I'm like, you know
what, this guy really believes what he's

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telling me. Oh, really fully
gets it. He really has that faith.

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But there's I've kind of like described
it in the past as he sees

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through to the core of it,
you know what I mean, he has

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the ability to completely he has like
horse blinders. He just sees right through

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to the core and he really has
it down. I mean, I mean,

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it's I've never seen anything like it
anywhere else. As well, he's

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hilarious. He's hilarious because he's like
he's pretty open with you, you know,

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if you're in his inner circle.
He you know, paraphrasing, he

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wouldn't say it exactly like this,
but he basically like, uh, you

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know, I'm fucked up, but
the Lord's got my back exactly, you

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know, Like I'm pretty sure my
dad has said that. I'm pretty sure

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that's tattooed on his forehead like that. That's what I appreciate about your dad.

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And then I'll get back your question. But just like, I see

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so few people in my life like
that who are like, I'm not perfect,

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I'm not trying to be. I'm
just trying to like I'm just trying

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to like get this message out and
like, you know, have faith and

405
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.400
you know, and I've met few
people like that in my life. Like

406
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.799
obviously I would say my dad.
But like as far as me, I

407
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:11.000
never really felt like I had a
real spiritual connection with God until I started

408
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.880
seeing the lights. I mean,
you know, going to church and reading

409
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.119
about it is one thing, and
it's like I felt like it was desperately

410
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.880
seeking to establish that connection, but
always feeling subconsciously in my mind as a

411
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.319
little boy that I was going to
go to hell. And every night as

412
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.480
I'm going to sleep, I'm praying, please forgive me if I die my

413
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.519
sleep, don't send me to hell. Please, God, you know I'm

414
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.519
sorry. Make me pure, make
me literally, change me, just change

415
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.240
me, just use me. Please
change me, like, save my fucking

416
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.880
life. I do not want to
go to hell. But when I started

417
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:45.240
seeing the lights, it became more
of a I I think. I think

418
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.359
that you know, God is speaking
to me here, God, God,

419
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.319
I know you know it's like and
understanding that, like, oh my God,

420
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.079
there there really is something up there, like I see it when when

421
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.519
we have these experiences, and and
you know, you can ask Nick,

422
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.599
you can ask Alex. They've seen
it many times. I was just in

423
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.440
flor I hate that you live six
hours away from where my sister lived because

424
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.759
I know it'll happen. We'll make
something happen. But no, it'll happen.

425
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.160
Yeah, we could have skywatched,
and like, it's one thing when

426
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.759
you go your whole life reading about
it or hearing about it or thinking about

427
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.440
it when you see when you you
know, when you say a prayer or

428
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.079
you know, say the word Holy
Spirit or the Mother or the Trinity.

429
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.000
I know to your listeners they might
be like what, but you know we

430
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.400
can get it that later I'm assuming
that my listeners have listened to the episode

431
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.039
with your dad, and so they
kind of know the story, you know.

432
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.319
I think a lot of them like
went and bought the book. So

433
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.920
I think we're I think we've got
that baseline established. Maybe some of the

434
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.880
details they'll just have to listen to
your shelf. Do you get set?

435
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.799
Yeah? But when you when you
see though, when you see these things,

436
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.880
these miracles that mortal eyes should not
be seeing, you know, how

437
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.400
can you deny that you have a
personal relationship with something out there? You

438
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.559
know? Think about it. It's
like you, you, you, you

439
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.440
put out a prayer to the heavens
and then a light appears. Well,

440
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:04.839
I know, I say you,
but I'm saying in my experience, I

441
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.880
have a very unique experience here.
But when you see this, it's like,

442
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.119
how can I not have a personal
connection? And I feel like after

443
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.559
having these experiences. Although I'm no
longer a Christian, meaning, I'm not

444
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.960
like keeping my mind inside the box
of the religion Christianity, you know,

445
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.039
I still love Jesus. I think
Jesus, do you consider yourself like Christian

446
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.000
adjacent? No, I don't consider
myself religious. I just think that God

447
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.240
is real. I think that Jesus. I think that, and and you

448
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:45.200
know, Buddha, I think Hermes
truth Majstus Zoroaster. I think there have

449
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.079
been many wonderful people throughout the several
the last several thousand years who have had

450
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:55.160
a very similar message at different AONs
and humanity and have at the time that

451
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.240
these people have come, they may
have embodied a level of spiritual mastery that

452
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:05.880
most people not ready to incarnate with
and brought some knowledge that progressed the way

453
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.680
that people felt and connected spiritually with
the One Great Spirit. You know what

454
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.319
I mean. Like, I'm not
a Christian. I see value in Jesus.

455
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.960
I see value in Christ. I
believe God. Do I think that

456
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.960
God is only in the Bible.
No. I think that God is outside

457
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.920
of everything. I think that God
is ineffable. I think that God is

458
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.440
something that the more you try to
imagine it, the more you push it

459
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.480
away. It's like the tal say, when you put a name on me,

460
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.119
when you put a label on me, you've lost me. Right.

461
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.680
I think that God is this force
that is outside of our little games,

462
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.720
outside of our little telephone game of
well. I think it's Osirius well.

463
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.119
I think it's you know, Jesus, Well, I think it's Kuanyu.

464
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.000
I think it's bigger than all of
that. I think that it is one

465
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:52.079
objective force that is connected to all
of us through the breath and through our

466
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.039
spirit, and we can connect to
it if we humble ourselves to the higher

467
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.839
forces. We open our minds and
our hearts to what is actually out there.

468
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.200
And just you know, you don't
have to pray out loud. If

469
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.640
you're self conscious about this, that's
fine. I'm not gonna like religiously shame

470
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.559
anybody, but you know, you
can think it in your mind. Just

471
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.880
whatever is out there, whatever is
real, show me, connect with me,

472
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.240
uh, fill me up with wisdom
and guide me to understand what you

473
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.799
are. And I'm telling you the
synchronousities will be off the fucking chain.

474
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:30.200
This is a good time to talk
about mushrooms, don't you That sounds lit?

475
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.279
Yes. Also, you know,
there's some kind of theory out there

476
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.279
that the Bible is actually a story
about psilocybin. I looked into it a

477
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.680
little bit, but I'm trying to
go deep on that. Like apparently all

478
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.640
the allegories in the Bible, there's
somebody that theorizes it's all about mushrooms,

479
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:53.680
but sorry, go ahead, Yeah, I Lex Friedman just did an episode

480
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.200
about that. I saw a part
of it on YouTube, but I haven't

481
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.079
been able to watch the whole thing
yet. I just want to know,

482
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:08.639
like what role plant medicine has played
in y'all's spiritual journey. Thig you started?

483
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.559
Okay, all right, fine,
plant medicine. All right, So

484
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.079
I'm going to talk about two of
my favorite plant medicines. Uh, one

485
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:24.880
being psilocybin and the other being cannabis
thhc Uh. I was recently able to

486
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.599
get completely off of my antidepressants and
my eighty H. Well, I guess

487
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:36.480
it's searchraline, which is like a
what's it called zoloft, you know,

488
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.320
it's it's that kind of thing,
like an SSRI SSR. Right, That's

489
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:45.639
what I was looking for, Thank
you. I recently I've been taking SSRIs

490
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:52.519
for four or five years now.
I was having really really bad anxiety at

491
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.199
one point, uh, and depression. You know, I didn't even know

492
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:00.400
I had depression. I went to
the doctor because I was having like my

493
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.400
heart was racing, I was short
of breath. I thought I was like

494
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.519
gonna have a heart attack or something. But I went to the doctor and

495
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.280
they're like, oh, no,
you definitely have anxiety, but also take

496
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.239
this little survey you might also be
depressed. And I was like, uh,

497
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.840
all right, I don't think I'm
depressed, but all right, and

498
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.159
I like filled it out, and
like the nurse looked at it and was

499
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:27.280
like, yikes, you're pretty depressed. And I was like, okay,

500
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.079
sure tell me what that means.
And you know, so five years later,

501
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.719
I've gotten to a point where it
certainly helped me for a couple of

502
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.000
years manage my anxiety and my depression
and stuff. But over the past like

503
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.039
year, year and a half something
like that, I feel like it's outlived

504
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:52.440
its usefulness and it kind of started
to have the inverse effects on me.

505
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.760
And so just here, I don't
know, two or three months ago,

506
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:07.119
I got off of my ssri and
now my daily supplement for that is cannabis.

507
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.639
And let me tell you all the
goods and none of the bads.

508
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.480
I am more motivated and less depressed
than I have been in quite some time.

509
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.719
Obviously, that doesn't mean I'm just
happy hunky dory all the time.

510
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:30.760
Like life still is hard sometimes and
the anxiety is less than it was a

511
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.159
few months ago when I was taking
anxiety medications. So that's that little bit.

512
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:43.119
But as far as psilocybin goes,
I would say that psilocybin had a

513
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:51.440
very profound effect on my spirituality.
Let's see, the first time I did

514
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.000
mushrooms, and it was right before
we started doing the podcast. It was

515
00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:00.039
I remember, Okay, I was
gonna ask because twenty twenty November it was.

516
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.840
It was because actually my wife and
I and some friends, it was

517
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.840
all. It was our first time
doing it, and it was the like

518
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.480
ten year anniversary of when my wife
and I started dating or something like that.

519
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.679
It was a very it was a
significant moment. But anyway, that

520
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.400
checks out because you just hit thirteen
years last year. Yeah, okay,

521
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.199
all right, yeah, I just
know everything about this guy. I know.

522
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:31.239
I know. So we all did
it together, and it was I

523
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:38.519
definitely had an ego death, possibly
for my first time. But the really

524
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:44.960
profound thing that happened with me in
that moment was I looked around the room.

525
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.639
We had like neon lights and like
we had it was decorated. We

526
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.880
did a whole big annoying thing about
it. But and I looked around at

527
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.960
all my friends and my little cat
that was sitting on my lap, and

528
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.280
my wife that was sitting next to
me, and I remember looking around and

529
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:10.880
having an overwhelming feeling that everyone in
that room, including my cats, were

530
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.480
all the same being we were just
Wow. I was like, I looked

531
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:21.320
at over at my friend Nathan,
and I it was like I saw my

532
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.519
soul in him, in his body. Wow, I saw his. Well,

533
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.840
it's more like I felt it,
you know. It wasn't I didn't

534
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.119
see, but it's like I felt
his. And then I looked at my

535
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:37.800
friend Angel, and it was like
I felt his soul in my body.

536
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:44.119
It was like the blur, the
lines were completely blurred. I even remember

537
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.800
looking my cat dead in the eyes
and being like, you're the same thing

538
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.280
as me. And and as Ryan
said, as Ryan said, it was

539
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.239
right before we started the podcast,
Yeah, months before. Yeah, just

540
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.679
just a few months, because we
started in like March or everywhere, like

541
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.760
we started we launched in June.
Yeah, we started working on it in

542
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.280
like March. Yeah. Yeah,
And I just remember, you know,

543
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:14.639
we started doing the podcast, which
is when I feel, I honestly like

544
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.920
had my first relationship, my first
real relationship with spirituality. Was when we

545
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:28.920
started the podcast and we started diving
really deep into all of these like you

546
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:35.880
know, these wisdom traditions and this
esoteric occult knowledge and uh, kind of

547
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.800
looking in the Venn diagram between in
the middle of the Venn diagram, between

548
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:45.239
all these different exoteric and esoteric religions, Like, I felt my spirit resonating

549
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:52.440
with this information in a way it
never did with God. What I thought

550
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.719
was God, you know, because
I had the same relationship as you guys.

551
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.679
I think Meredith, you implied that
you also had that relationship where it

552
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.519
was like, you know, apologize
and then redemption, salvation. It's kind

553
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.440
of kind of something that was definitely
it's like a shame cycle. Oh,

554
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.679
that's a great way to put it. It's absolutely you feel ashamed, so

555
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.280
you reach out and apologize and then
you feel better and then it just goes

556
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.199
and goes and goes. Because that
was my only relationship with that God,

557
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:30.320
you know. And so I think
the combination of me having that experience with

558
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:38.760
psilocybin, feeling the collective consciousness represented
in my apartment living room, and then

559
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.559
starting this podcast and learning about all
this information that was that kind of jump

560
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.519
started my spiritual awakening. Oh wow, that's really cool. That's really special

561
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.880
that the podcast was like a part
of your journey so far. Yeah,

562
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.519
well maybe the biggest part. Honestly. Since we've started the podcast, you've

563
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.360
also had some pretty like hair splitting
paranormal experiences too, you know. Oh

564
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.000
yeah, which definitely helps. It
puts the key in the ignition for these.

565
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.840
Well, and I had had experiences. You know, I started going

566
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.960
over to Ryan's house. Just for
your listeners who might not know, I

567
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.639
started going to Ryan's house when we
were, like, you were fourteen,

568
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.119
I know it was fourteen, And
you know, a couple years two three

569
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:28.559
years after going over there that I
started seeing things. I started having experiences.

570
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.519
I had a couple when we were
younger, not a lot. It

571
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:37.119
happened a few times, but when
we started the podcast, it started happening

572
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.039
a lot. Yeah, you're right, Sorry, Ryan, Yeah, go

573
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.639
ahead, Oh no, no,
I just I know exactly when it was

574
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.960
because I'm a grade ahead of Nick. We both have summer birthdays, so

575
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.199
I know that we were the same
age all year of a school year.

576
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.800
And when I was in ninth grade, you know, we were friends on

577
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.280
the bus in middle school, and
then I went to high school one year,

578
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.079
and then when I was in the
tenth grade, he came back and

579
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.800
he was on my bus again,
and we were like, what's up.

580
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.559
And we were old enough to where
our parents started letting us hay not outside

581
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.840
of school, and the rest is
history. So that's why I know you

582
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.360
came over when you were fourteen,
r you know, Okay, Yeah,

583
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.920
and I definitely want to hear more
about some of those paranormal experiences, Like

584
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.760
so let's like try to remember that
between the three of us, okay,

585
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.960
because I want to come back to
this after we leave the realm of the

586
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:23.000
psychedelic. But yeah, so what
about you, Brian, Yeah, definitely

587
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.840
definitely. Plant medicine been a part
of your spiritual journey. I mean,

588
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.639
you know, like I would say
the same like with psilocybin. I first

589
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.480
had experienced it a few years ago
after we had started the podcast, like

590
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.000
very shortly after, and yeah,
I mean I have to say like it's

591
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.159
it's I mean, I don't talk
about psilocybin or yeah, mushroom mushrooms.

592
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.840
No, I had tried mushrooms,
and I don't want to sit here and

593
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.960
be preachy to people about like the
effects it has on the brain. From

594
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.800
a scientific perspective, I mean,
anybody can google that that there's no negative

595
00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:00.760
side effects. It's literally impossible to
overdose. There's nothing negative to be gained

596
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:07.239
from mushrooms work. I mean,
sure, yes, sure you will beat

597
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.840
And you know, there's all this, there's all this, like there's all

598
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.559
this like Richard Nixon era, you
know, nineteen seventy War on Drug stigma

599
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.280
about psychedelics, and you know,
they put out all these commercials. You

600
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.559
know, this could be your kid
on acid, and they show this like

601
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.840
really grainy fake video of somebody jumping
off a roof and it's like they were

602
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.639
so high they killed themselves. You
know, they put out all this stigma

603
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.360
about psychedelics. It's not true.
It's absolutely not true. And like just

604
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.760
just for anybody who is a kind
of a scientific thinker, you know,

605
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.679
you like to stimulate your left brain
a little more or maybe it has more

606
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:44.960
activity than the right brain, you
know, if you like data. They

607
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:54.280
have rats and they made them ingest
seventeen thousand grams of psilocybin mushrooms only,

608
00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:01.679
and only fifty percent of the sample
size perished from toxicity. And just for

609
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.039
a perspective of like dosage and things
like that with psilocybin. You know,

610
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:14.320
when I did mushrooms, the biggest
amount was like four grams. Yeah,

611
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.639
you know, like this is seventeen
thousands. We're Yeah, it took seventeen

612
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:25.159
thousand grams from actually be full like
you would be. You couldn't consumer.

613
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.599
Yeah, they had to like inject
it from like a chemical perspective. Yeah,

614
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.559
but that'd be the whole room full
to the top of mushrooms like a

615
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:36.800
video game or something. You have
to really try. Yeah, that's my

616
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:42.000
point. It's impossible to actually be
harmed from these things. So moving forward,

617
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.599
what I will say is it helped
me to change the way that I

618
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.400
see things. You know, and
coming from a psychology perspective, you know,

619
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.400
we have these barriers in our minds, our ego that that like,

620
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.239
it's one of the things I learned
in psychology, Like it is actually a

621
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.840
pain full stimulus to the brain to
challenge your worldview, to try and change

622
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.599
the way that you see the world. You know, if you're Christian,

623
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.199
or if you're Muslim or Hindu or
Buddhist, you know, if you have

624
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:14.800
some ingrained belief whatever it is,
it's physically painful to the brain to try

625
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.320
to challenge that that belief system.
But what we know about psilocybin is that

626
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.079
it's like fireworks go off. I
know I said I wasn't gonna be preaching

627
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.239
about the science, but go do
it. Wait wait, hold on,

628
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:31.760
observation this is ten points if you
get that reference. This is like the

629
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:36.800
example of what I was talking about
earlier is how you tend to be cerebral.

630
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.079
Like I was like, Ryan,
how do you feel about the mushrooms?

631
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:45.400
And you're like, well, here's
the data, and so that's that's

632
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.079
like, you know, it's neat
to to to see how your your wheels

633
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.760
turn in that way. But I
would like to hear more about like the

634
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:59.079
first person, you know, less
measurable part of your psychedelic journey. Okay,

635
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.840
yeah, yeah, yeah, So
we know about the neurons exploding and

636
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.360
your brain thinks on a higher perspective. Well, for me, it was

637
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.199
like yeah, it was like it
allowed me to let go of very limiting

638
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.800
beliefs and just you know, it
allowed me to change my perspective and I

639
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.159
think, just be like a more
well rounded, open minded person and just

640
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:22.679
be a little less judgmental and a
little more open to trying creative ideas that

641
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.960
are solutions that I may or you
know, problems that I may have had

642
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.960
in my life for a very long
time that I couldn't come up with a

643
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.400
solution for because I was stuck in
one way of thinking and one way of

644
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:37.360
behaving. Mushrooms allowed me to think
on another plane to where I could sort

645
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:42.360
of like from a sideways perspective,
see certain limits that I had within my

646
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.679
mind and release them. It felt
like walls were being knocked down in my

647
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.840
brain. And that's the easiest way
that I can describe it, other than

648
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.639
the wall and the walls are moving, you know. But like the inner

649
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.000
workings of the process changed my life. And I've probably done mushrooms thirty or

650
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.760
forty or fifty times now, and
there have been some times where I wasn't

651
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.800
in there setting and I freaked out
and I felt negative, But you know

652
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:09.519
what, later I had tremendous lessons
to learn from it. And that's another

653
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.679
thing that I, you know,
want people out there to understand who haven't

654
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.119
tried this is like, even if
you have a bad experience with this kind

655
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.960
of thing, it still teaches you
in the end, and you still I'm

656
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.480
going to add a little context.
The same night that I did mushrooms the

657
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.119
first time, like an hour after
I was like having fun with my soul

658
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.440
and other bodies and all that beautiful
stuff, I was in my room face

659
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:37.119
down, having a panic attack.
So yeah, let's put that out there.

660
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.360
But I woke up the next day
remembering the experience that I had,

661
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.840
and I truly felt like a changed
person. I mean I felt like I

662
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.039
felt. You ever have that that
quick moment of lucidity where you like kind

663
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.079
of feel like a kid again.
Yes, you know, it was one

664
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.360
of those. I was like,
oh my gosh, I had I had

665
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.519
like an or you feel old too. Sometimes you just feel yeah, I

666
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.559
know what you mean. Yeah,
it was one of those. So yeah,

667
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.440
so you may have a bad experience, but you'll you'll most likely have

668
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.119
more of a positive experience. Yeah
yeah, outside of set and setting like

669
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.480
where you choose to do it.
You know, be responsible, don't don't

670
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:15.519
be an idiot, all that kind
of stuff. Outside of that, if

671
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.119
you do have a bad experience,
just breathe. It's gonna be over.

672
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.119
You ain't gonna die, despite what
many people around me. So I'm gonna

673
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:23.639
uh you know, like you're not
gonna die. Yeah, you're gonna learn

674
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.400
from it, You're gonna grow from
it. And sometimes we need to be

675
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.920
humbled, you know. Mushrooms throws
things in our face, you know,

676
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.719
psychologically speaking, that we might have
been suppressing for a really long time,

677
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.119
and it's like you have to overcome
these fears, overcome these these issues that

678
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.079
are in your mind, and you
grow and you're you're stronger and wiser and

679
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.639
just a more wonderful, luminous being
on the other side. I think it's

680
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:52.519
so spiritual. I think I think
psilocybin. You know, this is gonna

681
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.679
sound really weird, but it I
think it calls to you. I think

682
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.199
plant medicine can call to some people. Maybe this is it's probably not everyone,

683
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.639
but but that's how that happened for
me because being Pentecostal, because a

684
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.239
symbol of God is Pentecostal. Just
in case people are getting confused between what

685
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.159
you're saying, Ryan Pentecostal, what
I'm saying Pentecostal. But when we would

686
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.480
sing in church or you know,
we called it the worship session, it

687
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.159
was basically meditation, like we would
get into an altered state of consciousness and

688
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.440
it was very vibrational, and we
never used that word, but it very

689
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:38.800
much paralleled experiences that I've had that
were spiritual, but not in the dogma

690
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:44.440
of in the context of like a
church. Because I remember the first time

691
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.840
that I ever smoked weed, which
was pretty late in life. I think

692
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:53.679
I was thirty five, thirty seven, I thought, I waited, I

693
00:49:53.880 --> 00:50:00.559
was like twenty one or something.
Your bring was almost developed to bring almost

694
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.599
developed. Yeah, yeah, hopefully
twenty five, so your brain was fully

695
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.679
developed. But yeah, so I
was like really late into that. But

696
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:15.360
I had meditated before. And the
reason that that's relevant is because you know,

697
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.760
I took some of the medicine and
see, my friends were so sweet

698
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.039
and they were like, Okay,
how do you feel? And I was

699
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:28.159
like, oh, I know this
feeling and they said, oh, wait,

700
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.800
what you do? Yeah, like
when I meditate. And that feeling

701
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.159
of when I meditate was also very
similar of when we were in worship,

702
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:43.079
and I would call it in the
zone, and it's a physical vibrating feeling

703
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:50.039
from head to toe and you just
feel this inner resonance. It's hard to

704
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:58.199
describe that it actually does feel like
a physical vibration and it's quite like you

705
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.719
know, like you know, and
we this, Oh, this one's really

706
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.519
cerebral, Like it is cerebral in
a sense, but sometimes it's a little

707
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.760
more body. But when I smoked
weed, that was the first, my

708
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:13.000
first reaction. And just like you
were saying, Nick, there has been

709
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.320
been moments with marijuana where it would
teach me things like this. One time

710
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.599
I was at the beach and I
just had too much. Yeah, but

711
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.239
I didn't. I didn't really realize
it until you know, it's too late,

712
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.079
until I was less enough. And
so I went into the water and

713
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:38.559
I'm laying in the water on like
a float or something, and suddenly I

714
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:45.159
just think to myself, I'm here. I'm here, right now, i

715
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:52.039
am here. Oh my gosh,
I'm here. This makes no sense,

716
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:59.800
but I just was like so present. I didn't realize how fractured my my

717
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.400
own like consciousness was as far as
like, yeah, my attention, like,

718
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.800
you know, I'm talking to this
person, but I'm really thinking about

719
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.400
the groceries or you know, whatever, some something not really important. But

720
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.599
I was like, oh my gosh, look at this beautiful blue green water

721
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.079
and look all my friends there on
the shore. And I started to cry

722
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.519
and and you know what's beautiful though, is that feeling of being present and

723
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:29.079
mindful. I was like, I
can access that, that's within me.

724
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.480
That's not from the weed, but
it is like the weed was like here

725
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:37.079
you go. You know, it's
like a little weight. It was what

726
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:38.840
it was the teacher. It was
your teach. It was the teacher.

727
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:45.559
Yeah yeah, it only opened the
doorway, but it was you exactly you

728
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:47.840
yeah, like yeah. I think
of it as like the waiter at a

729
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.000
restaurant, Like the weed was the
waiter. You know, your food didn't

730
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:58.679
come from the waiter. Your food
came from the kitchen. The food came

731
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.159
from the chef. The waiter just
brought it to you. And the weed

732
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.960
was the waiter, and it just
brought it to me. And so I

733
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:10.599
was able to kind of carry that
and tap into that present mindset place after

734
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:16.840
that, and so it didn't down
the road I was. This year,

735
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:22.320
I had my first mushroom trip,
and I knew that I wanted to approach

736
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.760
it from a place of like a
ritual place, you know, like a

737
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:35.760
sacred place. Yeah yeah, yeah, like I felt I had been holding

738
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:39.159
onto the mushrooms for about a year
and it just didn't feel right, didn't

739
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:44.400
feel right, and then it occurred
to me one day, like a person

740
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.920
that I could maybe asked to help
me, and so I called him and

741
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.159
it turns out he does it all
the time, like, oh, okay,

742
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:59.239
cool, and so he helped me
and guide me through it and helps

743
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:06.599
with integration. And that was just
completely beautiful and spiritual. And some of

744
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.599
the nick you mentioned, you know, some of the traumas, the religious

745
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:12.679
traumas, you know, a little
bit of that came up. I had

746
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.360
more to do with the relationships within
that setting. But so there was some

747
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.480
what we call shadow work happening,
which I didn't really sign up for,

748
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:28.239
but we got anyway, and some
really beautiful visuals that I didn't know what

749
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.320
they meant, because I don't I
don't like, I'm not that woo woo

750
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.920
like, I don't know, like
I just now kind of know which colors

751
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:43.360
are which with which chakras. But
it was this beautiful pink and violet and

752
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:52.480
like swirling space, like yeah,
actually, wow, that is so synchronistic.

753
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.239
I'm going to keep that in mind. Okay, I had a d

754
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.960
MT experience. We'll get to that. I just wanted to make a note,

755
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.639
Okay, Yeah, yeah, so
it's like all these in everything in

756
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.880
that kind of color spectrum, and
then all of a sudden there was a

757
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:13.079
butterfly, but it was drawn.
It was a white butterfly as though I

758
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.960
had drawn it, and it was
moving, and then it turned into a

759
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.440
mandala, which was beautiful. But
I was like, yeah, that came

760
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.960
from my brain, of course,
because I like butterflies, and who doesn't

761
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:32.199
love a good mandala fractal geometry,
Yes, I did, exactly so.

762
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.599
But you know how mushrooms are a
bit different than weed because in weed,

763
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.960
you're like, am I in the
future? I think I'm a dream?

764
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:46.199
Am I the past? Like you
just sort of old Like yeah, am

765
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:51.079
I said, I don't know,
Yeah, who are you? How have

766
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.559
we been standing here? But like
mushrooms is so it's like it was a

767
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:58.079
grounded experience, like I was still
me, I was still present, but

768
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.480
it was like it was a definitely
it felt like I was hanging out with

769
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:07.320
a person. And yeah, like
to this day, I don't know,

770
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.760
I just have this deeper reverence for
it. But so mush the butterfly,

771
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.599
No, no, the butterfly was
for me. The mandala, I'm like,

772
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:21.880
yeah, that totally like came out
of a deep place in my little

773
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.039
hippie heart, except for then all
of a sudden there was a serpent,

774
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:28.920
and I was like, oh,
I didn't invite you, and it wasn't

775
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.360
threatening. It just it was also
drawn as if I had sketched it,

776
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.079
but it was just like out of
the corner. I was like, oh,

777
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.000
here's a serpent. Okay. And
then later just you know, it

778
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:43.840
wasn't malicious, but that wasn't for
me. Like I'm not all down with

779
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.920
snakes. I mean, I'm not
afraid of them, but I'm not like

780
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.760
love a negative symbol, it's a
spiritual symbol. Well, yeah, the

781
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.519
guy told me that it both of
all three of those things. Butterfly,

782
00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:01.800
mandala, and serpent are representative of
transation, and so it was very helpful

783
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.480
to have him there. You'll notice
when you look at the ancient hieroglyphs of

784
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.920
the eyes of Raw and Horace,
they have cobras as the eyebrows, symbolizing

785
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.320
it's it's like the Kundalini. It's
it's the it's the energy that travels up

786
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.199
our spine and rises to our crown. You know. It's like we have

787
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.519
thirty three vertebrae in our spine,
and if you look at like the Wisdom

788
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.199
tradition and Mystery tradition view on serpents
and symbolism, it's believed that they might

789
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:34.559
be the animal and nature that is
the closest connection to the divine because they

790
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.039
only have a spine, they only
have a spinal column, they don't have

791
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.639
any other appendages. They're just pure
energy moving. It's it's just one way

792
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:45.920
of looking at it. But there's
a lot of esotericism behind serpent symbolism,

793
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.760
and it's not evil inherently. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I

794
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.760
didn't feel unsafe or threatened or anything
by it. It was it was very

795
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.400
very healing and very cool and a
lot like what you said Ryan about how

796
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:07.639
you feel your view of God is
more expansive. Now, that's that's how

797
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.599
I feel about it. But it's
really hard to put into words, like

798
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:19.480
I still consider myself christian Ish,
but I just feel like going back to

799
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.920
church in the way that I did, or even just going back to church

800
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.559
like like Nick you were talking about
you went to like a modern contemporary,

801
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.800
non denominational church, Like even doing
that for me just would feel boxed in.

802
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:37.280
And yeah, yeah, but I'm
also not like charging crystals in the

803
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:43.679
moonlight, Like I just am you
like that to us? I got my

804
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.719
tom on gang Garry. What's up? We keep it on deck? You

805
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.760
already know I like, I don't
charge them in the moonlight. I keep

806
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:54.880
selling it around and keep them charge
you know. But you know what there's

807
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.800
I mean. I do love my
stones. I'm a I'm a turquoise girl,

808
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.800
like all the you got the stones
matchine the nails in the necklace.

809
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:10.000
Look at that matching bro. So
we're not a bro podcast, right,

810
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:15.000
like our crystal growth exactly exactly.
I love it. Okay, So I

811
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:21.400
want to talk about like the negative
spiritual stuff or like the not it could

812
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:28.440
be negative, but the abnormal,
the the not like mandala butterfly thing.

813
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:30.679
Oh wait, Ryan, you wanted
to talk about something first about magenta.

814
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.639
Yeah, I had a couple,
Like I know, earlier I ranted about

815
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.079
data numbers and all this bull crap. But to cut to the heart of

816
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.159
your question, mushroom experiences. And
then I'm gonna move to the d MT

817
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.760
one. So I had some pretty
wild mushroom experiences, one of which was

818
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:52.519
the first time I ever took like
a pretty sizable amount, and I like

819
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.920
just remember laying there and looking up
and then eventually I closed my eyes,

820
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.199
and when I closed my eyes and
my mind, I just saw like this

821
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:06.079
construct made of light, and I
intuitively knew that whatever I imagined in this

822
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:10.239
construct would emit a subtle energy to
affect change in the real world. It

823
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.079
was like, I got the sense
that, like, whatever we imagine and

824
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.559
visualize is making a real impression in
the real world. You have this little

825
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:22.360
imaginary realm that exists in your mind, but when you really stimulate that and

826
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.559
visualize that and believe in that,
it's like manifestation. It's like it has

827
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.880
an effect in the real world.
You know. That was the sense I

828
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.760
got on the mushrooms. And if
you study all the mystical body of knowledge,

829
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.000
that's basically it. You know,
there's even people like Nevill Goddard who

830
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:40.519
have this whole system about using imagination
to manifest you know, because the idea

831
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.320
is that we are all fractal sparks
of God. But then you know,

832
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.119
it's like the universe exists within the
mind of God. So maybe the minds

833
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.039
of each of us are entangled to
God. You know that maybe there's something

834
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:58.039
real in the mental realm anyway,
So moving forward, I did have a

835
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.559
couple of other really are shocking mushroom
experiences. They kind of humbled me a

836
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:06.079
little bit and made me pump the
brakes for a while. There was one

837
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.039
time where I was like so deep, and you could call it the mushroom

838
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.199
realm or whatever. I mean,
if you take a high enough amount,

839
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.519
you just look around and everything you
see doesn't look normal. And I saw

840
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:21.599
definitely like the faces of the people
in the room around me were morphing and

841
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.480
changing, and it looked like I
was viewing their higher selves and they would

842
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:28.400
have like four eyes. Their faces
would be like changing directions and they look

843
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.559
like this higher being and I'm like, damn like and it was too uncomfortable

844
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:37.599
to look at. And then like
when I would close my eyes, I

845
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:47.079
saw fractals of light in my mind
of like these very massive like gestures unraveling

846
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:52.119
these massive infinite tongues at me and
this infinite fractal and it was like they

847
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.239
were taunting me. And the sense
I got from the mushroom was like I

848
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.320
was so uncomfortable viewing everything externally that
even when I closed my eye, it's

849
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.440
like you're not getting away from me. We're going to show you what we

850
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.519
want to show you. You know, all of what you described. It

851
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:12.519
sounds very similar to is Ecal chapter
one where they talk about the wheel and

852
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.119
the animals and there how they had
eyes on different sides of the like I

853
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:21.199
feel like you're describing the vision kill. Oh, it was very uncomfortable.

854
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.599
It was very uncomfortable. And but
you know, I again, it's like

855
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.480
when you have those uncomfortable experiences,
you still grow. Still. Sometimes I

856
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.880
think sometimes I think wisdom is gained
from suffering. I mean sometimes I think

857
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.960
we got a little be a little
bit uncomfortable to grow and to heal.

858
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.639
And you know, it's like mushrooms
in nature only consume that which is dead.

859
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.000
And I believe when we consume the
mushrooms, they are consuming things in

860
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:51.679
our mind that which are dying.
You know, these old limiting beliefs inside

861
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.280
of us that need to be taken
away. I think the mushrooms are helping

862
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:58.840
us consume those limiting patterns and are
helping us see higher perspectives. But moving

863
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.039
forward to D and T, this
is the real thing. I have to

864
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.679
comment on that because that is so
cool, Like I think listeners just need

865
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.360
a moment to soak that in,
because Okay, that is amazing. And

866
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:15.519
some people have said that their mushrooms
visit them, like come back and minded

867
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.639
in a meditation, And in the
meditation they showed me as a decaying body

868
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:25.880
in a field of wheat, and
more mushrooms were coming growing out of my

869
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.440
body and it was a beautiful death. It wasn't like a fear or gross

870
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.320
or like gore thing. But so
that is so freaking cool that you said

871
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.239
that, because I never thought of
it that way. So we're gonna just

872
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.800
mark that as this conversation is now
part to my spiritual journey. Thank you

873
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:45.239
very much. Ran. I've never
heard you say that either, did Were

874
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.119
you just like channeling? Yeah,
I'm not gonna lie. I felt a

875
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.480
little weird, you remember how I
explained to you. Sometimes I say things

876
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:57.719
and like my vision kind of I
had one of those moments where I heard

877
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.840
heard it tune through my ears and
my vision blurred a little bit. But

878
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:05.039
moving past that weird shit, yeah, So so I just I feel that

879
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:09.840
way, like it's it's consuming that
those old limiting beliefs within us. And

880
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.559
then the other thing, Oh,
this this is something I'm gonna say before

881
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.000
the DMT thing and then we can
surely move on. But this is something

882
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:19.400
I've been thinking about for days,
and I think that you have presented a

883
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:24.719
scenario in which it's the perfect time
to explain this. But like, you

884
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.880
can look at anybody that has been
practicing a hobby their whole life, you

885
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.519
know, like take Nick playing guitar
since he was twelve, or me playing

886
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.159
drums since I was, you know, sixteen, or Alex surfing since however

887
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:39.880
old he was when he was adopted
by his cowboy parents. But I'm sorry,

888
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.119
I shouldn't have said that was an
inside joke from our show. I

889
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.960
was just trying to see if these
guys were awake. But we'll get over

890
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:55.079
that later. But oh shit,
adopted by his cowboy parents. Ryan unplugged

891
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.239
my microphone. There was that another
channeling moment, you were no, that

892
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:00.639
was that was to get a reaction
out of you guys to be there.

893
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.159
Okay, well it works. Yeah
Alex is over there laughing. But anyway,

894
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.800
so yeah, you look at anybody
who's studied a hobby their whole life,

895
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.199
and you have to understand, like, Okay, tell me how to

896
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.320
play guitar, and you can sit
here and you can say, Okay,

897
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.199
I don't know the order of playing, you know how you would learn,

898
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:20.800
but like, maybe let's start with
some scales. You put your finger on

899
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:24.679
the string on this fret or you
know, maybe I'm like, you know,

900
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.719
put your right foot on the kick, put your left foot on the

901
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:28.920
hat, and then you're gonna put
your left hand on the snare and your

902
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.920
right hand on the hat, and
you're gonna do this, and you're gonna

903
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.920
do this. But you really don't
learn or even come close to mastering a

904
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:41.920
skill until you've put in the time
energetically touching and sensing and feeling this thing

905
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.960
and developing a sensitivity to it.
Right, Like, you're not truly you

906
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:51.039
can hear intellectual jargon all day,
but you're not really learning something until you're

907
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.840
sensing it, until you're feeling it, until you're experiencing it and touching it,

908
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.920
and over time that sensitivity develops and
it grows. Right. Spiritual experiences

909
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.639
are no different. Right, And
you just sat here and you told me

910
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:09.440
that you never really felt any sort
of expansive feeling about God until you did

911
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.840
mushrooms, because those mushrooms allowed you
to sense it and allowed you to feel

912
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:18.280
it and develop the sensitivity to the
subtle spiritual dimension that's around you. You

913
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.280
just didn't know how to sense it, right, But when you take these

914
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.920
things, they blast your senses way
open, where you're feeling things differently.

915
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.880
You're attuned to the energy in a
different way, and you're developing that connection

916
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.440
and you're beginning to sense it.
Your sensitivity is sharpening. Right, Like,

917
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:39.159
the connection to the spiritual world is
no different than any other skill or

918
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:44.719
feeling that you've experienced. It's just
more subtle, it's more invisible because it

919
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.360
exists in the dimension beyond. Right. So like, the more you have

920
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:51.440
these experiences, the more that sensitivity
is sharpening, and you begin to feel

921
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:56.800
things differently. You begin to have
different subconscious beliefs, the way that you

922
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.920
see people as different, you treat
people differently. You know, the more

923
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.159
spiritual you become, the more you
become attuned to this vibration, you start

924
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.440
to have thoughts, like, you
know, you don't want to judge people

925
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:10.440
as much anymore. Maybe you want
to help people a little more when they're

926
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.280
suffering. You want to be a
little bit nicer to people because you've suffered,

927
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.239
right, So you know, Okay, I've suffered, this person is

928
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.039
suffering. It doesn't really feel good
when I'm in a state of suffering when

929
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:23.599
people aren't kind to me. Right, Mushrooms kind of force you to suffer.

930
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.159
It's like a blast to the mind
and you start having these I'm serious,

931
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.159
like, I'm dead serious. You
know, the way you say things

932
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.719
is funny. They do they make
you suffer, They force you to suffer,

933
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:35.599
they do. I'm telling you,
I've had times run so wasn't that

934
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:42.119
my experience? Mine was very nurturing. But I tend to I tend to

935
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.719
be the person that that in the
past old me would like if a stranger

936
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:50.559
bumped into me in the street,
I would apologize. So I think,

937
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:58.679
you know, maybe that's what you
needed suffering to learn. Well, yeah,

938
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:00.639
I've had I've had plenty of suffering
in my life. But when you

939
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:06.159
start, yeah, you start from
more and more and more. That's when

940
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.400
it gets to be a slippery slope
because then you start digging really deep and

941
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.840
it starts bringing up stuff that's really
deep, and it's like kind of forced.

942
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.159
I'm telling you, I've had some
experiences where I'm sitting there for four

943
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.159
hours. Just thank god. I
learned some meditative breathing technique to like,

944
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.680
you know, like just six seconds
and six seconds out, it'll be over

945
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.720
soon, you know what I mean, Because you're face to face with things

946
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.600
that's like, you know, uh, I don't want to talk about private

947
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:34.680
you know, people dying that I've
experienced that was very traumatic that I'm sitting

948
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:36.960
there, like sitting with on mush
things like that, you know, like

949
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:43.760
it it can kind of force you
to suffer a little bit, and exactly,

950
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:45.960
yeah, for a positive outcome,
not just like to suffer. It's

951
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:51.840
anytime I have quote unquote suffered and
had kind of a bad experience or a

952
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.800
bad trip, I definitely wouldn't call
it a bad experience because overall the experience

953
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:04.520
for me personally is always positive.
I've tripped a little too hard a few

954
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:09.560
times, but it's always a positive
outcome for me. I always learned something

955
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:15.319
absolutely Yeah that that that's my point. But yes, Magenta so DMT.

956
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.640
Yeah, so last summer I did
DMT, and we can forget everything we

957
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:24.560
just discussed about mushrooms now we are
in a different field. DMT was so

958
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:29.680
fucking insane. It's like my friends
told me, They're like, it's the

959
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:31.560
best roller coaster you'll ever ride that
you can't get in the real world.

960
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:35.840
Like it's there's there's no there's no
physical experience that could simulate the sensation.

961
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:41.479
So like you you know, you
you you blast off or whatever. And

962
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.039
for me, it was like my
my attachment to my body. I started

963
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.039
to like lose vision, and then
I realized I was in the saliva that

964
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:55.399
was swallowing down my throat and I
could and you feel very different when you

965
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:59.119
take DMT, Like physically you feel
very weird until you take the final one

966
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.199
where you blast off, you know. So like I just remembered being inside

967
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:05.560
of my saliva sliding all the way
down my throat and I could acutely feel

968
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:09.880
it until it got into my stomach, and then when it was swallowed,

969
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:14.119
I just disappeared and I was an
avoid of blackness. But in the void,

970
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:15.520
it's like imagine being in space,
but there's no stars. It's just

971
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.079
a giant black void that's as big
as you can fathom or imagine. And

972
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:26.079
in that void was a face that
I was beholden to. It was the

973
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.960
only thing that I could see or
experience, and it was so far away

974
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.239
and so massive, yet it was
in my face invasive, like I was

975
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:34.760
like, oh my god, like
I can't get away from this. It

976
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:39.800
sees me and it was a It
was what I understand to be like the

977
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.439
divine feminine, like the goddess or
the mother or whatever. But it was

978
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:53.039
comprised of waving, non collective,
non non connected, abstract lines of magenta

979
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:57.720
light. It was, Oh my
god, you just described the You just

980
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.239
described my trip. That's that was
the background that the trip was. It

981
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:06.880
was like not one solid color.
It was kind of a spectrum of colors

982
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:15.199
that were themselves active. Yeah,
yeah, like they were living. Yeah,

983
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:18.279
like it was the being. The
being I was seeing was it was

984
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:23.239
abstract and this like you know,
you draw a face, all the lines

985
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:26.279
are connected, Like I'm looking at
your faces now, and there are archetypes

986
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.880
of like circles and squares and ovals. You see these shapes that are very

987
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:31.960
hard, they're very logical. They
make sense. Everywhere you look around you

988
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.560
shapes make sense. What do you
do, DMT. None of it makes

989
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.920
sense. It's all abstract. It's
so foreign to the brain. Your brain

990
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.880
sort of melts and you can't really
understand what's happening, and you're processing all

991
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.119
this information simultaneously. There's multiple things
happening. It took weeks for it all

992
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:49.439
to come back to my memory.
But the main thing was this massive face

993
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:54.600
of the It was like it was
like an impression of a face that was

994
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.399
in flowing lines of magentle light.
And then I got the incense that I

995
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.039
or I got the impression that I
was to be trapped there forever. This

996
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:03.000
is my life now and I just
have to embrace it, and you know,

997
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:10.079
goodbye to my previous life. And
then it changed and I was inside

998
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.640
of a construct made of light.
I say construct because it's like imagine a

999
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.359
house that kind of has like the
idea of like a square structure, but

1000
01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:19.119
it wasn't like walls, Like it
wasn't like you're being in a house.

1001
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:23.960
It's like everything around me was light, like you know, you know,

1002
01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:27.319
if you go to like edit a
photo, or you're on the computer you're

1003
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.520
doing Microsoft Paint something of that nature, and there's like a color wheel where

1004
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.520
the colors are connected and you could
scroll the mouse. Everything around me was

1005
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:38.039
like that, but they were all
flowing and morphing into one of each other,

1006
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.520
you know. And then that face
that was out in the distance in

1007
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.039
the void was a little bit of
a smaller scale that I could fathom that

1008
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.399
it was inside of this construct of
light, and it was kind of like

1009
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:50.880
intimate. It was kind of like
it wasn't sexual, but it was like

1010
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.760
it was very It was very connected
to me. It was very intimate.

1011
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.279
It was like showing me, you
know what I mean. I felt connected

1012
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:00.720
to it, like we have a
bond here. But it didn't feel like

1013
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.640
impure or weird or anything like I
don't know how to describe it. Like

1014
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:10.199
it was a very deep, emotional, intuitive connection. And this face was

1015
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:14.039
moving through the construct and it was
just giving me impressions and feelings and all

1016
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.239
these downloads about what it was and
what it was communicating to me. And

1017
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.000
I got the sense that it was
the true form of the divine feminine that

1018
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.680
although is. You know, she
appeared to my dad in the form of

1019
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.640
a beautiful blonde hair, blue eyed
lady, and you know, you get

1020
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:31.439
this idea. But what I saw
was like it was fierce. It changed

1021
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.560
to be like a darker red,
and then it appeared a little bit more

1022
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:40.239
angry and wrathful, like it could
it could devour me or destroy me if

1023
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:44.479
it wanted to, but it's taken
care of me. It's both right,

1024
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.760
Like the feminine is powerful. It
can create, but if it wanted to,

1025
01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:51.439
it could destroy, you know.
It's it's just this powerful force,

1026
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:55.520
and I was very afraid of it
in the sense that like, I can't

1027
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.079
fuck would you? I can't do
anything. That's how I felt like literally

1028
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.840
in DMT, I was like,
I'm beholden to you, like yes,

1029
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.359
ma'am, yes, yes, I
was. Boy, I was. I

1030
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:11.520
was like you know, you know, I was. I was. I

1031
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.039
don't even know where to go from
there. I was, that's okay.

1032
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:16.479
Well, I wanted to ask Nick
about, you know, speaking of kind

1033
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.520
of the writing that line between the
you know, real warm fuzzies and the

1034
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:28.000
not so warm fuzzies. You said
something earlier about something not warm and fuzzy

1035
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:32.520
but in the spiritual realm, and
that like growing up in church, we

1036
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:38.840
were always it was always reference right, the good, the bad, the

1037
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:44.760
evil, the holy, and we
were always aware. And in my community

1038
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.279
it was you know, like we
didn't have cell phones then, but if

1039
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.319
we had them and they didn't work, it would be like, oh,

1040
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:54.960
that's the devil. He's trying to
stop us, you know, like like

1041
01:14:55.079 --> 01:15:00.039
it was always a part of our
daily lives and in the so silly ways,

1042
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.720
like you know, if your technology
didn't work, it was like Satan

1043
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.560
is working against us. But it
was also there was some really like gnarly

1044
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:14.600
things that I can't explain. And
so I know Brian has a couple of

1045
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.720
those. But Nick, you mentioned
something someone to hear from you what happened.

1046
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:23.479
So I don't know that I've had
I mean, I don't know I've

1047
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:30.079
had any negative experiences like with the
phenomenon per se. I mean, when

1048
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:32.159
I first learned about it, there
was a lot of fear. There was

1049
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:36.439
like I was like very I'm kind
of I've always been like a scared kid,

1050
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:41.279
Like to this day, I don't
watch a lot of horror movies and

1051
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.720
stuff like that. Like I'll never
forget the first night that Ryan and Jeremy

1052
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.720
told me about you know, they
dropped it on me like a huge bomb.

1053
01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:54.439
Like Ryan's brother Jeremy was like,
yeah, it's probably aliens outside right

1054
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.199
now because the dogs were barking,
and I was like, oh wait what

1055
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.239
excuse me? And Ryan was like
dude, shut up, shut up,

1056
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.560
don't don't don't say anything. Just
just don't it's it's too early. Don't

1057
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:09.039
tell him about this. Our documentary
had just come out to our first Oh

1058
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.760
that made it feel like even more
real to me. So I was like,

1059
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:15.760
what, what's but I mean no, I never I never had any

1060
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:24.000
experiences with the phenomenon that were bad. Necessarily. I've had some spooky sightings

1061
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.159
that didn't feel so good. Okay, actually, hang on, something's coming

1062
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.680
back to me a little bit.
Well, a couple of things. Actually,

1063
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.319
now now you got my Now you
got my brain jogged. They just

1064
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:40.399
weren't experiences with Ryan. So one
time I was at a friend's house very

1065
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:45.279
late at night, and I saw
a humanoid figure, like of a shadow

1066
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.560
on a wall. And this was
like we had we had like a few

1067
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:54.840
friends over. This is a my
buddy, Oh Raven, he's been on

1068
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.640
the show. Shout out Raven.
We were all over at Raven's house and

1069
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:00.880
there was like a few of us
over there. So I assumed, like,

1070
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.520
oh, somebody's in the back room, that's their shadow. The shadow

1071
01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:08.840
like continued walking until I couldn't see
it. So I walked back into that

1072
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.880
room, the only place that the
shadow could have been coming from and then

1073
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.760
I look, nobody's in the room, and there's like I even opened the

1074
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.199
closet because I was like, you're
not gonna get me, Like you're not

1075
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:21.359
about to get me right now.
If there's somebody in this room, I'm

1076
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:26.880
gonna find out open the closet nobody
in there. That was like super super

1077
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:32.319
eerie. And then another thing is
since I was like ten or eleven,

1078
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:39.560
it stopped a few years ago and
is far less frequent now. But I

1079
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:46.560
used to have sleep paralysis like once
a month. And when I was little,

1080
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:50.880
it was like really simple, basic, like bad dream stuff. But

1081
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:57.359
the older I got, it started
feeling more and more real in the sense

1082
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:03.640
of it carries real, not consequence
into my waking life. But it was

1083
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:10.640
like telling me messages about it is
similar to like the psilocybin thing. It

1084
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.319
shows you things that you might need
to address, even if you're not ready

1085
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:20.039
to do that in a shocking exactly
in an abstract and shocking way. It's

1086
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:24.920
like you you probably won't even immediately
understand that. That's what I meant,

1087
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.680
Like it forces you to suffer.
It's like it's not for a bad person.

1088
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:30.520
It's like some things you just you
feel like you're not ready to see

1089
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:34.680
but you need to. Yeah.
I feel like with psychedelics, you can't

1090
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:40.239
sign up for what kind of experience
you want to have. You have to

1091
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:44.760
sign up for I want an experience, sign your name on the dotted line,

1092
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.960
and that's the only bit of control
that you have in the experience.

1093
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:54.159
It could be great, it could
be a panic attack. Ultimately it'll probably

1094
01:18:54.319 --> 01:19:00.359
benefit but similar with sleep paralysis,
it was like for you, it was

1095
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.640
just terrifying to me. There was
no there was no like lesson to be

1096
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:10.760
learned in my mind. There was
no wisdom to be gleaned from this.

1097
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.199
It was just like, oh,
I'm being attacked by my own mind.

1098
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.079
You know. But did you coming
from the context of the church and churches

1099
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:23.760
in your case that you were in, did you did you code it as

1100
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.960
this is evil or this is double
or did you have a more secular perspective

1101
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.760
of it that it was a fabrication
of your own imagination. That's a good

1102
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:38.279
question, I think, I think
so. What I can say for sure

1103
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:45.119
is that the earliest experiences felt very
malicious. They were they were like scary,

1104
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.920
scary. There were sometimes I mean, I've had it probably over a

1105
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:54.399
hundred times in my life. There
were some times where it was just like

1106
01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:57.680
I'm frozen and I can't move,
and it's like that's it, you know.

1107
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:01.079
But then there were other times where
there was like voices in the room.

1108
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:04.239
It was like, you know that. The scariest type that used to

1109
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:09.000
happen to me was like I would
fall asleep, but there was no lapse

1110
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:13.760
in my vision, so I thought
I was still awake, and yeah,

1111
01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.920
very very very spooky, so like
hearing like scary ghostly whispers in the corner.

1112
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:23.279
But then I would wake up from
it and realize it was a dream

1113
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:32.680
kind of thing. So I have
lucid dreamed a few times. But it's

1114
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:39.479
it's really interesting with with like sleep
paralysis. I even for a while was

1115
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.920
like trying to train how to lucid
dream, you know, because you can

1116
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:46.840
there are things that you can do
to increase your chances. But with sleep

1117
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:51.720
paralysis, it is I am completely
at the mercy of whatever this is.

1118
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:59.159
So to answer your question, I
don't think I ever felt like, oh,

1119
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:02.760
this is like biblical demons attacking me. Even as a little kid when

1120
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:08.520
I was like very in the church, it didn't even feel like that.

1121
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:14.800
It just felt it. But it
did feel like like malicious spirits. It

1122
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.439
was weird. It was like,
I didn't feel like it was demons,

1123
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:21.319
but it felt like malicious spirits to
me. I think I think that's the

1124
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:25.560
best way I can answer that.
I think that makes sense. It does

1125
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:29.119
because I've experienced it one or two
times. I've has Sley paralysis like one

1126
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:30.239
or two times in my life,
and each time it did feel like some

1127
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.760
sort of malicious thing. Yeah,
oh there was I mean Polder guys though,

1128
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:39.000
Ryan, right, like you had
Polder that's when I was awake.

1129
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:46.920
But I think that's really interesting because
you know, in your dad's book he

1130
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:55.039
does talk about some of the negative
phenomenon experience paranormal experiences that he's experienced on

1131
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:59.960
the property. But well, let's
clarify that. Let's clarify that the experience

1132
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.960
is that we had weren't negative.
It was the interpretation of the people around

1133
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:08.199
us that was negative. You know, like the phenomenon, the Poultergeist activity

1134
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:13.680
in the house was viewed as negative
by my mother, who was telling us

1135
01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:17.720
it was scary. You know,
don't talk about this, but these entities

1136
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.640
never harmed us or did anything to
us that was malicious. I mean it

1137
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:26.479
like, I wouldn't say that we
ever had a negative experience. It was

1138
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.039
the people around us telling us it
was negative, telling us it was demonic

1139
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:35.760
or were crazy or whatever. But
isn't by definition the word poltergeist or like

1140
01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:44.359
the category of poultergeist activity mean that
it's malicious. I'm not. I don't

1141
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.920
know, things that like cabins get
opened and closed. I mean, yeah,

1142
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:48.760
like, I mean, the way
I think about it is just like

1143
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:53.960
things bumping around in the house,
that there's some sort of higher entity there

1144
01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:56.319
jiggling stuff around, messing with us. I mean, it's not like some

1145
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.920
malicious spirit was like tormenting us.
I mean it was like, you know,

1146
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:04.680
we we definitely were like some people
called it a portal. I think

1147
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:08.279
it's deeper than that. I think
it was just these beings messing with us.

1148
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.119
As people had nothing to do with
the property. But we were a

1149
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:18.520
location where there was an extreme,
shocking and unfathomable volume of activity that was

1150
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:24.479
was instigated by entities from another dimension. I mean things like light bulbs being

1151
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.199
unscrewed inside the casing, you know, the lights on in the back porch

1152
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:29.920
and then the lights off and then
I walk outside and the light bulbs unscrewed.

1153
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:31.159
I mean, it was things like
that. That's what I say is

1154
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:35.199
poltergeist activity. It wasn't like stuff
tormenting us. You know, it wasn't

1155
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:39.560
like that. If poulter Geist is
the wrong word, then then it's the

1156
01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:42.119
wrong word, you know. It's
yeah, I don't know. That was

1157
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.880
just you know, because you know, run to the light Caroland, like,

1158
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:48.960
that's that's my idea of poulter Geist. I saw that one. I'm

1159
01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:53.319
telling you, I'm scared. Yeah, that's a movie. That's a movie

1160
01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:56.159
that's fridly as negative, but you
know, living the reality of it.

1161
01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:00.199
Actually, every time these every time, these supernatural experiences happen, and I

1162
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:05.079
can't get enough of it. And
I've only actually had one sighting of any

1163
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:10.479
form of entity that I felt was
negative, and it was attached to an

1164
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:15.600
individual who was in a very dark
and depraved vibration. And it was like,

1165
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:17.760
I didn't get the sense that I
was having this experience, you know,

1166
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:20.800
as the phenomenon or whatever. I
got the sense that I was in

1167
01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:25.039
a state at that time. I
do believe that we can slip into higher

1168
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:28.199
spiritual states unconsciously and I think I
was at a time where maybe I was

1169
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:31.399
a little more sensitive, and I
did see a shadow being attached to an

1170
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:34.720
individual one time and I was like
freaked out. But other than that,

1171
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:40.560
no, I've had thousands of times, thousands of bizarre supernatural experience. I

1172
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.920
mean you can again, you can
ask Nick and Alex. They've combined,

1173
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:48.399
they've seen beyond one hundred, one
hundred and fifty orbs with us, not

1174
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:53.520
to you know, the sheer number
of years that we've gone through seeing that

1175
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:57.159
many, so many nights. I
mean it's been thousands. And there was

1176
01:24:57.279 --> 01:25:00.439
that one time that I just told
you about that I was gared. I

1177
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:03.000
mean, these entities have never invoked
a feeling of fear in me. I

1178
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.520
mean Nick was at my dad's house
this summer with his whole family. We

1179
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:12.279
did a whole episode about this.
We had this insane group sighting and there

1180
01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.960
were orbs two feet away from Nick, all around him, and he was

1181
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.920
walking towards them, trying to get
closer because he was so he wasn't scared.

1182
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:25.479
You know that he played some sick
guitar and so they were like his

1183
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:29.720
autograph, which if you had asked
me, like prior to that. Like,

1184
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:32.319
if I would be afraid of that, if I would be afraid if

1185
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:35.199
that happened to me, I would
say, yeah, I'd absolutely I'd be

1186
01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:40.319
terrified if that happened to me.
But it happened, and I was I

1187
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:43.520
didn't think twice. I just walked
towards it. You just want to get

1188
01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:45.960
closer. You have a six hours, just I want more. And I've

1189
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:49.039
never I mean, I've never seen
anything like that. That just happened six

1190
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:53.079
months ago, not even probably.
I saw an entity in my room.

1191
01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:55.399
It physically touched me, and I
wasn't afraid of it. I wish it

1192
01:25:55.439 --> 01:26:00.760
didn't leave. I had expand on
that. Please sure, sure, sure,

1193
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:02.239
I mean wherever you want to go, Like I just I want to

1194
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.520
elaborate out there. You know,
it's one thing we're talking here, But

1195
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:09.319
my concern always in the back of
my mind is the listener out there.

1196
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.479
I never want to leave an image
of fear in their mind. These entities

1197
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.079
are very benevolent, you know,
and and and they've never done anything to

1198
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.760
harm any of us or scare us
or Okay, well, the first time

1199
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.720
they appeared, it scared the ship
out of my dad and my brother.

1200
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.960
But how could you play the right
the first time. It was that their

1201
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:29.479
intention. I doubt it, you
know, but I would like to think

1202
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:30.560
they least get a little kick out
of it, you know what I mean.

1203
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.640
I think I think I was listening
to one interview that you did about

1204
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:38.520
like anything that's in Maybe maybe it
was you, but it was like anything

1205
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:43.680
that's intelligent also has a sense of
humor. So some at some level they've

1206
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.920
got to, you know, have
a you know, a happy hour,

1207
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:53.039
like a phenomenon happy hour where they
get go to them on beer or bar

1208
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:56.119
and they they round up and they're
like, all right, did anyone shot

1209
01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.399
their pants today? Bob's got a
story. Check it out, Bob,

1210
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.880
Bob, It's good, it's good. Yeah. The entities that I know

1211
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.239
have healed people of cancers and other
diseases, you know what I mean.

1212
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:11.159
They've they've they've performed miracles that we've
only ever read about in ancient texts.

1213
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:17.439
But so you don't feel like there's
any negative or dark forces out there at

1214
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.720
all. They all benevolent. I'm
not saying that there are dark forces,

1215
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.520
but you know, it's up to
you if you want to attract that.

1216
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.159
What I am saying is that The
entities that I have experienced are not dark

1217
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:31.600
forces. They are benevolent. You
know. I have experienced a particular group

1218
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:38.479
of entities that I mean have occurred
over seventeen years. You know, the

1219
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.319
same orbs and all this stuff is
appearing, and you know, are there

1220
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:45.760
other beings out there? Sure?
It's just like you go in the ocean,

1221
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.439
there's whales, there's sharks, there's
fish. You know, you go

1222
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:51.479
on the farm, there's chickens,
there's pigs, there's there's every biome you

1223
01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:56.239
go to. There's there's a diverse
group of existence, you know what I

1224
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:58.640
mean. There's light and there's dark. There has to be. Yeah,

1225
01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:00.920
I mean, we actually had one
of our friends, Bobby, I mean

1226
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.520
he's been on the show a couple
of times, and he tells, I

1227
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:09.439
mean one of the most bone too, now two of the most Both of

1228
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:14.840
his episodes were horrific, very dark
sports with witchcraft and things like that.

1229
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.199
Like, yeah, that that stuff
is real. It's out there, for

1230
01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:20.920
sure. It's not experiencing that.
I haven't experienced that. I've met other

1231
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:25.119
people who experience it. And oh
and you know what they worship the fucking

1232
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:27.680
devil and things like that. You
know, what I mean, Oh,

1233
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.800
well, you know you're you're,
you're you're addicted to meth. You know,

1234
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:34.319
you're you're doing all this dark ship. Yeah, no, no,

1235
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:40.159
wonder Sherlock that you're having dark experiences. It's well, I think the fear,

1236
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:45.079
Yeah, I think the fear for
people that come from a background like

1237
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:54.760
like I do, is the the
belief that you can get a hitchhiker,

1238
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.279
which, if you know, for
people don't know what that means. It

1239
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.199
means like you you go to a
haunted place, the haunted thing hitchhikes and

1240
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:11.279
follows you home, Or that you
open yourself up and you invite accidentally negative

1241
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:16.399
things in or third that you open
the veil between the living and the dead

1242
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:20.359
and you don't close it again and
bad things happen. And so there's this

1243
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:30.439
hesitation among people who have a spiritual
background of any sort that being unskilled in

1244
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:35.359
this area and also dabbling can have
serious side effects. And I think that's

1245
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:41.199
that's the concern, is like,
oh, I don't want to fuck with

1246
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:45.319
you know what I don't know about
I totally get that, you know,

1247
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:49.560
but like here's my perspective, right, I think we can all agree that

1248
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:54.199
there is wisdom in the Bible.
There's very good spiritual wisdom that I think

1249
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:56.920
much of it is true, you
know, in the New Testament stuff.

1250
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.119
Anytime Jesus speaks about some sort of
spiritual knowledge or wisdom, I believe he's

1251
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:04.159
just as masterful as a sage as
any of the other masters of you know,

1252
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:09.039
these these wisdom traditions. And my
point is we can be not strict

1253
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:12.880
Christians and still take from what he
said. And if I remember correctly,

1254
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.600
he said that we have dominion over
spirits, right, and that we could

1255
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:18.680
test these spirits in their nature.
And it's like, here's the thing.

1256
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:24.520
There have been so many people in
the last seventeen years that they spam comment

1257
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:28.479
on you know, my YouTube or
dad's thing. Satan could appear as an

1258
01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:30.039
angel of light. Satan could appear
as an angel of light. Okay,

1259
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.439
well, okay, so we're talking
to a Christian here, So let's just

1260
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:39.680
get down and like Christian semantics,
you're telling me that we can go out

1261
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:44.239
and we can pray to God and
Satan can overcome and appear, right,

1262
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:45.560
we can. We can pray to
God, we can pray to Jesus,

1263
01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:49.439
and God is so weak and powerless
that the devil or some malicious spirit can

1264
01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:53.800
invade and overcome. Like, first
of all, that doesn't sound right.

1265
01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:58.079
You know, if you're gonna if
you're gonna attack what we're actually experiencing outside

1266
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:00.119
of your not you, but you
know a madary person who said this,

1267
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.880
outside of your limited little world of
just commenting negative shit on the internet,

1268
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:08.479
you're going to go and try to
like attack somebody with real experiences over your

1269
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:12.199
belief. Let's go revisit your belief. It says we have dominion over spirits,

1270
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.520
right, Okay. It also says
that when we pray to God,

1271
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.600
that God is not a god of
confusion, and that God will appear and

1272
01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:21.880
will you know, I don't know
the scripture word for word, but my

1273
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:27.159
whole point is like, how can
you think that we're the only people in

1274
01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.000
the world that we go to and
pray to God and we see these lights

1275
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:33.560
and have these crazy experiences, and
we're literally telling you and documenting all this

1276
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:36.840
crazy shit and going on TV and
showing that it's really happening. And we

1277
01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:42.720
have witnesses coming out saying, you
know that they have been healed of this

1278
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.000
kind of thing, and we're telling
their story, writing about it in the

1279
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:48.840
book, But like the devil is
just tricking all of us and is overriding,

1280
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.159
and you know, we're out there
praying to God, but it's the

1281
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:57.359
devil that's just so stupid. It's
so ignorant to think that, you know,

1282
01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.840
Like, here's as simple as it
is. We go outside, we

1283
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:08.319
say God, please, you know, show me a sign. How how

1284
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:12.319
can we like, how can we
how can we fuck that up? How

1285
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.279
can we invite something evil there?
How can we invite something dark there?

1286
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.960
You know, but alternatively, alternatively, to really hammer home your point,

1287
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:24.239
I was in Tampa last week and
visited my good friend Jordan, who has

1288
01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:28.880
been on our show. Shout out
Jordan Crowder. He's a very phenomenal human

1289
01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:31.920
being. He has a really good
TikTok channel called Alive and Kicking, and

1290
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:34.479
like I said, he's just been
on our show. I was talking with

1291
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:39.399
him and his wife was telling me, I really hope that they're okay with

1292
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:44.079
me sharing this. But his wife
was telling me she had a tarot reading

1293
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:49.479
in what's the town The town of
Louisiana. I'm blanking the main one,

1294
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:55.039
New Orleans. Yes, she had
a tarot reading in New Orleans and she

1295
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.000
felt sick and nauseous and like she
had to puke and they had to go

1296
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:00.960
home, and she had the sense
that there was an evil spirit trying to

1297
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:03.680
attach to her from the energy of
the place. So yes, we can,

1298
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.560
like we can think that we're savvy
and smart and try to like engage

1299
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.359
in these strange, you know,
mystical practices, and if we don't know

1300
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.079
what we're doing and we're not adept, I think that negative, nasty things

1301
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.239
can attach to us. But you
have to really fuck it up to walk

1302
01:33:18.279 --> 01:33:23.079
outside or you know, stay inside, doesn't matter, and pray to God,

1303
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:26.920
pray, pray in your mind,
imagine the highest, most loving,

1304
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:31.840
pure vibration of light in your mind
and address that and something negative a peer,

1305
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.479
I've never heard of something like that
happening. Yeah, well, I

1306
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:42.600
mean it's it's part of it's part
of the inner dialogue of people that come

1307
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:47.359
from communities like we come from.
And your dad, it's something really amazing

1308
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:53.560
to say about it. When I
interviewed him, his response was that that

1309
01:33:54.279 --> 01:34:01.279
sort of distrust of our own prayer
process is part of the structural control that

1310
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:10.840
keeps us tethered to, you know, the organizations that desire to you know,

1311
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:15.760
direct your lives and keep us giving
money and and those sorts of things.

1312
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:18.560
And I thought that that was that
was really insightful. And but you're

1313
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:24.640
right. I have heard you say
and your dad say about you know,

1314
01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:30.800
when y'all are going out in the
backyard basically and just sort of you know,

1315
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.079
not do a vote, like hey, we're here now, you're just

1316
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:36.359
sort of like we're here, yeah, hey, yeah, could you give

1317
01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:42.520
us a sign? Thank you God. I wanted to ask I wanted to

1318
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:51.520
ask you all about because of the
correlation between prayer or meditation and the orbs.

1319
01:34:53.279 --> 01:35:00.680
What is your hot take on Stephen
Greer. Well, let's just say

1320
01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.239
I like to that's that's tricky because
it's like, you know, what I

1321
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:13.279
really feel might be private. But
let's say this. I don't buy it.

1322
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.399
I just you know, it just
doesn't sit right with me. You

1323
01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:19.920
know, somebody charging five thousand dollars
a pop to shine lasers up at the

1324
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:27.039
sky and uh sort of trademark this
specific meditation, but there's really not like

1325
01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:34.359
much presented evidence that that you know, it's it's it's going on. It's

1326
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:36.920
like this, it's it's like,
uh, it's like an attraction it's turning

1327
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:41.279
into an attraction. Like you got
to do this specific protocol. And you

1328
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:44.000
know, if you come to my
retreat for five thousand dollars, you can

1329
01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:45.920
stay with me for a few nights
and we'll go outside and we'll get into

1330
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.840
a group meditation and we'll do the
protocol and we'll shine light to the sky,

1331
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.279
you know, like we just walk
outside and we just pray and even

1332
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.079
write in the book. Like you
can do it too, Go try it,

1333
01:35:55.640 --> 01:36:00.039
you know, do it seriously.
I was you go ahead. I

1334
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:00.640
was just saying when I talked to
you on the phone, Meredith, what

1335
01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:02.680
did I say? I was like, Oh, I'll be in Florida in

1336
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.359
a few months. Yeah, where
do you have Let's go SkyWatch together.

1337
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:11.000
I didn't ask you to bring your
check book or anything like that. You

1338
01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:15.840
know, like it should be free. This God, God is free to

1339
01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:17.359
all that. You know. Stephen
Graham might not say it's God. It

1340
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:20.039
might say it's being so it's an
alien or whatever. But I mean,

1341
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:23.840
at the end of the day,
you know, the UFO subject opens the

1342
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:27.199
Pandora's box. What's out there,
what's out there is God? What's behind

1343
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:29.840
all of it is God? Right, It's like Okham's razor. Let's cut

1344
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.760
through the shit. Let's get to
the heart of what it really is.

1345
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:38.079
It's God, all of it everything. Someday people don't understand that what we

1346
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.520
are. We gonna say it.
Oh, I'm just gonna say that.

1347
01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:44.640
I've seen it so many times.
I've been a part of it so many

1348
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:49.279
times. There's no ritual, there's
no I mean, obviously I believe no,

1349
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.399
I believe that meditation could in some
cases probably help, but that's never

1350
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:59.920
once happened with Ryan's dad and the
you know, I've been with ten fifteen

1351
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:02.800
people all looking at one time.
Everybody's just chit chatting. We're literally just

1352
01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.520
outside just like yo, new Zelda
game about to come out. Bro,

1353
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:11.840
oh my god, yeah, Jeremy. Jeremy's over here ordering a gaming chair

1354
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:15.680
on his phone. And then Ryan's
dad is like, everybody quit, quit

1355
01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:18.439
the chit chat and look up.
And we look up and it's like a

1356
01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:28.199
light show for an hour of completely
inexplicable majestic sights. That there's these lights

1357
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.880
just doing these things that you know, you just you don't see that anywhere,

1358
01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.960
and there's no there's no smoking mirrors
method, there's no method there's no

1359
01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:40.199
ritual, there's no nothing. It's
just go outside, believe it's gonna happen,

1360
01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:43.439
ask for it. There it is. Isn't it so funny how we

1361
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:48.920
are such ritual seeking things though we
like it's almost like at first it's this

1362
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:56.600
you know, existential experience, and
then it becomes like how can I how

1363
01:37:56.640 --> 01:38:01.359
can I formula it? How can
I eat it? How can I seek

1364
01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:05.000
it out? Make it a checklist
and do it on Friday night? Yeah?

1365
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:12.359
I feel like that's probably attachment to
an expectation or like desiring that result,

1366
01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:15.000
Like, yeah, results driven,
That's what I was saying, because

1367
01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:16.880
as humans, like we want to
hit the light switch and the light come

1368
01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:19.479
on, Like you know what I'm
saying. We want to be able to

1369
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:25.159
know exactly what we need to do
to have something happen every time. And

1370
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:30.279
it's like that's how Madder might work, but like, our spirits don't work

1371
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:34.159
that way. It's far more complex
than that. But I totally get it,

1372
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:39.119
like how do I write down the
steps? What are the exact instructions?

1373
01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:42.680
Like I would be that kind of
person if I didn't know that it

1374
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:50.600
doesn't work that way for sure.
It's just like you know, to go

1375
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:56.880
back to your question about the greer
thing, It's like I have seen so

1376
01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:02.680
many things in my life, like
I just wish people could just like see

1377
01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:06.600
through my eyes for a moment and
and and see all these lights, and

1378
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:10.960
like the impact that that has on
the mind and your perspective and and and

1379
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:13.800
how you see things, and you
know, how how you view this And

1380
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:16.760
like one thing that my dad and
I and my family we we really don't

1381
01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:21.479
like when people have the notion or
the attitude that they could do some sort

1382
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:27.560
of ritual protocol to like some of
these beings like fucking dogs, to just

1383
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.720
like obey their command. It's just
not how it works. I'm sure that

1384
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.520
it works sometimes where they might like, you know, they might, oh,

1385
01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.279
well, there's there's a there's a
light. It's not like that these

1386
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:39.399
beings have free will. As a
matter of fact, they created us,

1387
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.800
and they are from a higher perspective
than we are. You know. It's

1388
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:48.239
like you draw on a piece of
paper, this two dimensional that entity in

1389
01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:54.039
the second dimension, if it if
it existed in its own plane in some

1390
01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:58.199
limited form, and you take a
pencil and you draw a hat on it,

1391
01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:00.800
right, you draw a little on
that little character, well, that

1392
01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:06.640
little two dimensional character poof just had
this godlike miraculous encounter where they look up

1393
01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:10.640
and there's a hat on their freaking
head. Oh my god, some higher

1394
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.720
dimensional form just manipulated my reality and
there's a hat on my head. And

1395
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:18.079
now we're here in the third dimension
and we're having these experiences with beings from

1396
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:24.800
a higher perspective. They are there's
no difference between what they are capable of

1397
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:29.079
and magic. They can defy the
very laws of reality. There is no

1398
01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:32.760
physical obstacle to them. They told
my dad in the initial encounter that they

1399
01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:38.000
could sometimes they'll just take your soul
from your body, leave your body on

1400
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:40.279
the couch at night, so you
know, your wife thinks you're home asleep,

1401
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:44.039
and we're gonna take you on a
journey and put your soul right back

1402
01:40:44.039 --> 01:40:45.640
in your body. They said,
we can pop out of your light bulb.

1403
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.720
We can do whatever we want to
do. We can vibrate through the

1404
01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:53.600
the molecules in your wall, we
can get beneath the atoms, and we

1405
01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:58.039
can go through anything. There's nothing
we can't do. They can't not do

1406
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:01.239
anything. They are higher beings.
If they wanted to kill me, if

1407
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:04.079
they wanted to kill my family or
anyone around us. They could have,

1408
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:12.039
they didn't. They've They've done very
good, very amazing, wonderful things throughout

1409
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.880
my life that I've seen. And
here we are now we're making a show

1410
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:15.960
just to tell all about it and
try to, you know, to spread

1411
01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:21.119
what they're all about. But it's
crazy to describe them about, like all

1412
01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:24.680
the things that they could do this, and they could do that, and

1413
01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:30.000
they could flip over atoms. What
I'm hearing you say is their creative and

1414
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.880
I see creativity and that I see
play, and that that's why I'm sure

1415
01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:39.279
they have a sense of humor,
like they gotta, you know, like

1416
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:45.039
because the highest I mean on earth
anyway, that the things that are of

1417
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:50.479
the highest intelligence they prioritize play.
And so I think it's I don't know,

1418
01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:57.399
it's kind of cool to think about, to think about play being so

1419
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:03.640
important that even these beings make it
at the top of their list. And

1420
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:10.279
we're over here like stress and about
stuff. We're in a realm of creativity.

1421
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:15.560
That's all there really is. Like
creativity is God, It's all.

1422
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.000
It's all in the same Vin diagram. Like imagine this for a second,

1423
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:25.920
Like yes, scientifically, our eyeballs
are perceiving everything around us. Yeah,

1424
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:28.039
you can look at it that way
if you want to, But you can

1425
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:33.600
also look at it as like the
portals in your head are drawing infinitely beautiful,

1426
01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:40.680
immaculate, incredible, Like you can
only experience your reality through your own

1427
01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:44.039
eyes, no one else, even
somebody sitting in the same spot as you.

1428
01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:47.520
It's not going to be exactly the
same. Life is just one big

1429
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:53.720
creative act. I think this realm
that we're in is just a creative act

1430
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:59.880
infinitely. And yeah, I think
pure light beings that are the pure,

1431
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.960
unfiltered essence of this realm, and
the realms beyond are like that's that's gonna

1432
01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:10.199
be all they care about, because
that's all there really is. I think

1433
01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:15.920
it's just creativity and then a bunch
of distractions, like matter is just a

1434
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:18.479
distraction. We talk about this a
lot on our show, Like, you

1435
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:21.520
know, if you look at pop
culture and you look at it through the

1436
01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:25.600
lens of like maybe there's some wisdom
to be gleaned, because you know,

1437
01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:29.039
surely people at the top of the
humanity putting out the majority of you know,

1438
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:31.079
pop culture, they have to be
in on some sort of knowledge.

1439
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.079
I mean, if you believe in
that sort of concept, right, that

1440
01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:38.560
there are secret societies that you know, the top members of society are involved

1441
01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:42.720
in. Just just hypothetically. We
see this trend in a lot of movies,

1442
01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.000
a lot of shows, a lot
of art and media in general of

1443
01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:51.720
this sage like figure who is really
light, really like like Yoda for example,

1444
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:56.920
this jolly little green dude who you
know, Luke Skywalker goes to train

1445
01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.239
with this ancient master and he finds
him in the forest and he's just kind

1446
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:02.560
of like laughing at him and just
giggling, and he's really silly, and

1447
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:05.640
you know, like that's kind of
what I think, Like the higher you

1448
01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:14.279
go into wisdom, I think,
the more like joyful and childlike and care

1449
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.880
free and silly. Right. But
like when I was in Mexico a few

1450
01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:23.000
months ago, I happened to go
to this city where it's like the heartland

1451
01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:29.600
of this really ancient five thousand plus
year old shamanic Payote tribe that still exists

1452
01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.640
today. They're one of the only
ones that exists today. After you know,

1453
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:38.159
Mexico was colonized or whatever, a
lot of those ancient traditions were wiped

1454
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.520
out, but this one still exists
today. So I was like, dang,

1455
01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:43.479
this is awesome. Got home and
watched a documentary on him, and

1456
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:48.039
you could see like some of their
most enlightened members of this shamanic tribe.

1457
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:51.920
Who are the ones, like the
elders of the village, Like they're just

1458
01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:56.720
like, you know, decrepit eighty
ninety year old men, and they're just

1459
01:44:56.800 --> 01:44:59.199
like playing with all the kids,
and they're laughing and they're smiling, and

1460
01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:01.319
they're joyful and silly, and they're
they're they're the ones who are supposed to

1461
01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:03.840
be the master of this stuff.
You think they'd be serious like in the

1462
01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.760
church, right, But no,
I like, yeah, And I don't

1463
01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:10.399
think the phenomenon is any different.
I think like the higher you go into

1464
01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:15.840
the scale of like you're you're you're
you're becoming enlightened, right, keyword being

1465
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:18.840
light in the middle of that word, the more enlightened you become, I

1466
01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:24.159
think, the more joyful and care
free and you know, humorous. I'll

1467
01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:29.720
tell you what one night, the
first major insane high strangeness encounter that I

1468
01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:31.520
had not to mention, you know, seeing orbs in the sky for five

1469
01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:35.720
years of my family, but like
a like a close entity encounter. They

1470
01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:44.039
moved at me like cows and listen, I can confirm there are no cow

1471
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:48.920
farms anywhere. Mire Ryan's out miles
and miles away. Remember the lady appeared

1472
01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:54.119
as a bull to my dad first, So she was like, She's like,

1473
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.880
do you think he'll get it?
Guys? Do you think I didn't

1474
01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:01.600
get it? For five years?
My mind is My mind was melted,

1475
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.439
like like it might my brain moved
out of my ears. And my dad

1476
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:09.239
had to like tell me. He
was like, dude, like that's your

1477
01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:12.239
you know. I was sitting there
telling my begging him. I'm eighteen years

1478
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.079
old at this point, five years
in. Chris Junior doesn't want anything to

1479
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:16.960
do with this stuff, you know, which nobody blames him for. But

1480
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:19.680
he was at this point where he
was running away from it, didn't want

1481
01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:23.720
to talk about it. And I'm
outside, me and my dad are skywatching

1482
01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:26.319
at night in the summer, and
I'm like, Dad, I I don't

1483
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:28.680
understand, like why he got to
be there that night and he doesn't want

1484
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.479
anything to do with it. Here
I am walking outside every night, going

1485
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:32.800
out, you know, in the
backyard and the dark, trying to see

1486
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:35.000
them, trying to see these entities. Why won't they come to me,

1487
01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:38.760
Why won't they approach me? I
don't understand. Why did he have this

1488
01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:42.520
experience? It doesn't make sense.
It's not fair to me. And Dad's

1489
01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:45.399
like, you gotta like, you
gotta be more humble, Like you have

1490
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:50.159
to understand, son, these are
not aliens. These are magical beings.

1491
01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:55.800
They're not up there spinning around in
a ship spying on you with some telescope

1492
01:46:55.840 --> 01:47:00.399
and some you know, listening antenna. They're knowing your thoughts and passed in

1493
01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:03.520
the present in the future, and
they know exactly what you need when you

1494
01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:06.720
need it. And God's time works
differently than our time. He was like

1495
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:10.920
it' Psycha says in the Bible,
a day in God's times a thousand years

1496
01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:13.680
in our lifetime. And you just
have to be patient and understand that when

1497
01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:15.520
you're ready, you'll have an experience. But first you have to understand what

1498
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:18.479
it is. And he's telling me
this stuff. He's like, they're magical,

1499
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.279
they're spiritual, they're divine, and
I'm like, Dad, I just

1500
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:25.399
I don't understand that, Like everyone's
telling me that's not so. I don't

1501
01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:29.119
understand that. Then they started moving
at me like cows and they were all

1502
01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:31.560
around me. There's just cows moving
all around me. There's no cows in

1503
01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:34.119
miles and miles. My dad got
up the next day and drove around and

1504
01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:39.680
looked for all that. There's no
cow farms five ten miles away, you

1505
01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.279
know. And I had four or
five cows in my backyard. I didn't

1506
01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:45.479
see them, but I heard four
or five cows mooing at me and my

1507
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.359
dad and we're just standing there,
like overwhelmed by the sound of these cows.

1508
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:53.279
And my Dad's like, you got
what you asked for. That's so

1509
01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:59.079
funny. It took five years to
accept that. So do y'all believe that,

1510
01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:06.279
like the traditional i'll say, alien
figures, the traditional space ship excitings,

1511
01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:12.880
that that is real and that's something
separate than what y'all are experiencing.

1512
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.239
I believe that, like we have
two phenomenon going on there. I do

1513
01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:19.439
think that they have some kind of
secret government stuff that they might be flying

1514
01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:23.239
around in some highly populated areas.
I don't know that for sure, but

1515
01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:26.840
I kind of do tend to think
that that a lot of these the world

1516
01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:30.920
governments have advanced crafts. Yeah,
okay, yeah, stuff like that.

1517
01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:34.880
But I also think that, like
people do see things that appear to take

1518
01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:41.199
that form, because sometimes entity experience
are a projection of your consciousness and how

1519
01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:46.199
you interpret things and how you understand
things. It's like a reflection of like

1520
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:50.199
for example, when people were reporting
UFOs in the eighteen hundreds, they were

1521
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:55.800
like massive flying warships and blimps,
you know, and over time it changed.

1522
01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.159
Then around the nineteen thirties or forties, we start popping up with reports

1523
01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:02.840
of flying boomer. Then in the
forties they tell this story to the mass

1524
01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:06.800
consciousness, you know, that they
put out all this shit about Roswell and

1525
01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:10.720
these flying saucers or you know,
in the fifties, the culture is,

1526
01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:14.119
you know, they come from above
and war of the world, and we

1527
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:16.880
have all this imagery of flying saucers
being beaten into our souls, you know,

1528
01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.960
and it's like there comes a certain
point where when the collective sees something

1529
01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:27.880
and understands something this way, it's
gonna manifest in a certain way to match

1530
01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.119
that form. Sometimes, like I
think I think that, like I think

1531
01:49:31.199 --> 01:49:35.319
that consciousness is reflexive, right,
I don't think that that that you know,

1532
01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:42.199
there's actual physical, alien biological abductions
happening. I do think that people

1533
01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:45.520
have seen things that appear to be
like saucers. I've seen things that looked

1534
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:53.880
similar to that. What about you, Dick, Yeah, I think I

1535
01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:57.560
think I agree. I'm I'm the
type of person that doesn't like to like

1536
01:49:57.680 --> 01:50:01.680
close the book on anything. So
who knows, you know. I think

1537
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:09.640
there's billions and billions and billions of
star systems and planets and who knows what's

1538
01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:15.840
going out going on out there beyond
our reality here. But I have read

1539
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:20.439
things like Ryan's talking about, where
it's a spiritual encounter that will start off

1540
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:27.039
manifested as like a flying saucer,
and then it'll turn into a ball of

1541
01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:31.159
light, and then it'll come down
and then it'll turn into a humanoid figure

1542
01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:36.119
something something like that. So I
definitely believe that that happens. And as

1543
01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:41.319
far as, like the actual Green
booker guys on other planets and stuff,

1544
01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.119
maybe maybe I don't know. I
don't see why not. Maybe I don't

1545
01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:48.760
close the book on nothing these days. I used to, but I think

1546
01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:55.720
mushrooms took that out of me.
All I know is love that the lady

1547
01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.000
told my dad in twenty twelve when
they first met. She said that there's

1548
01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:05.439
a dark force at the top of
humanity scripting out the Book of Revelations to

1549
01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:11.199
try and force a cataclysm to bring
us into this negative timeline where you know,

1550
01:51:11.239 --> 01:51:15.039
the biblical prophecies are true because we
manifest them through fear the masses.

1551
01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:19.199
They're trying to constantly barrage the psyche
of the masses. It's like social engineering,

1552
01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:23.359
you know. They want us to
believe a certain outcome so much that

1553
01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:27.039
we play into it and that we
manifest it to be true. She said

1554
01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:31.680
that this was happening with a great
deception. There's going to be a great

1555
01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:38.000
deception, this push that there is
this evil alien narrative that there is no

1556
01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:40.960
God, there is no spirit.
The goal is to completely break us down

1557
01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:45.119
and to rip away our spiritual belief
in our connection to that world. That's

1558
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:49.119
the goal. She said that the
deception would be to portray the phenomenon in

1559
01:51:49.159 --> 01:51:54.439
a negative light, completely separate from
you know, spirituality and from God.

1560
01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:58.079
And guess what, you go look
at all the mainstream alien shit and it's

1561
01:51:59.239 --> 01:52:01.560
you come back to me and you
know, like you'll be like, dang,

1562
01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:05.960
you know, it's kind of looking
like the shoe fits, you know,

1563
01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:12.720
what I mean. Yeah, that's
interesting. Yeah, yeah, so

1564
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.600
our aliens out there, I don't
know, I don't care. You know,

1565
01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:21.119
I haven't experienced aliens. I've experienced
beings that come from a different place,

1566
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:25.239
a different realm, a different demand. They told my dad it was

1567
01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:27.840
like, they didn't call it the
spirit world. They called it the eternal

1568
01:52:27.880 --> 01:52:30.600
world. That it's where we go
when we die. They said that,

1569
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:33.520
you know, we all become as
them and we we go into orbs and

1570
01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:36.119
we go back to the eternal world. It's it's the grand journey of the

1571
01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:39.520
soul. It's immortal, the soul. This is what they said. They

1572
01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:42.199
said, the soul is a mortal
It never dies, and it goes through

1573
01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:45.960
on its on its journey and goes
back to the eternal world. You see

1574
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:48.199
your ancestors and your family and your
loved ones and all that, and you

1575
01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:50.760
you become reunited with them, and
you know, maybe you come back.

1576
01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:56.359
I don't know that that's depends on
the development of your soul. But yeah,

1577
01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:59.079
that's that's what I that's what I
care about, you know, I

1578
01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:01.439
care about what's right in front of
me, what I've what I've been experiencing.

1579
01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:06.359
Yeah, well, hopefully we all
have a very soulful future that isn't

1580
01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:12.399
just the nuts and bolts and the
facts, and it's joy and play and

1581
01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:20.680
mushrooms, joy play and mushrooms.
In the title of the episode, joy

1582
01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:26.520
play and Mushrooms, that is,
well, this has been great. You

1583
01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:30.359
guys, do you want to tell
people where they can find your your show

1584
01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:34.439
and your socials and all that stuff, because I really think that my listeners

1585
01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:41.279
would love to continue to engage with
what you have gone on. Sure,

1586
01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:45.359
yeah, blodsosetso dot com. That's
our website. You can pretty much find

1587
01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:49.199
everything there through link trees and all
that. Otherwise it's just blods so sets

1588
01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:55.439
so on all podcast apps and YouTube
and we have a pretty kick ass Patreon.

1589
01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:59.119
But maybe get your toes wet in
the show first before you start looking

1590
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:00.960
at that kind of stuff. And
yeah, I mean, we have a

1591
01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:06.079
heavy metal band, Twice Born,
and I think the same goes for our

1592
01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:12.560
audience. I think that they will
absolutely love you and your show, So

1593
01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:15.960
please do the same for our audience. Give them all the links and the

1594
01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:19.479
socials. And I'm just gonna go
ahead and say, everybody out there listening

1595
01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:24.159
on our side, jump over to
her side and listen. She please do,

1596
01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:29.239
please do support. Thank you so
much. Yeah, I'm most active

1597
01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:33.199
on Instagram at Meredith for Real and
my show is meredth for Real The Curious

1598
01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:38.680
Introvert and it's a yellow logo,
and yeah, it's weekly every Monday.

1599
01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:43.560
All the topics are completely different week
two weeks. It is very ady D

1600
01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.880
friendly, so you can kind of
jump around. And I do something kind

1601
01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:50.319
of fun where if you, you
know, kind of like YouTube gives you

1602
01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:55.920
recommendations off since you watched this video, you might like that video. I

1603
01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:59.359
kind of do that for my listeners, so it helps you kind of navigate

1604
01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:03.439
the variet of topics because for each
episode at the very beginning and the very

1605
01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:08.279
end, and written in the episode
description says, if you like this episode,

1606
01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:12.560
you will also like episode number blah
blah blah. So it can become

1607
01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:16.800
a fun way to binge the content. Yeah. Wow, that idea.

1608
01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:20.920
I have to say for our listeners, show show some support. We we

1609
01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:25.520
we have a really a good group
of people that listen to the show,

1610
01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:30.479
and just be sure to show her
support. Her vibe is amazing and you're

1611
01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:33.079
just a really cool person, a
really kind person. Thank you for collabbing

1612
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:39.079
with us, and you know,
hopefully, hopefully our listeners will see value

1613
01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:41.159
in each other, and you know, we'll just have like a big,

1614
01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:48.840
a big, big a big cousin
smoke sash, a big walking, so

1615
01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:55.840
many strange little phrases from this conversation
that I will share eternally. Thank you,

1616
01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:57.720
guys, I have I have to
tell you real quick. I know,

1617
01:55:57.880 --> 01:55:59.800
I know you got to go Marridis
that I do want to say.

1618
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:03.880
Of all the hundreds of episodes that
we've done, this was the first time

1619
01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:06.479
that I looked up and I was
like, damn, it's been two hours.

1620
01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:10.199
I was going to say, this
is the fastest that two hours has

1621
01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:14.439
ever passed. It was definitely the
fastest, genuinely, and that says something.

1622
01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:17.359
Thank you, thank you very much. I really I enjoyed it and

1623
01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:24.079
I appreciate the love. And I
know that my listeners will follow their curiosity

1624
01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:27.560
ride on over to what you guys
got going on, because it's really good

1625
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.720
and if there are anything like me, they will have a page of notes

1626
01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:38.279
of words and phrases and historical references
that will be enjoyable rabbit trails afterwards.

1627
01:56:38.840 --> 01:56:42.439
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome. I think our listeners are going to

1628
01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:45.319
do the exact same with your show. I love the variety of topics,

1629
01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:47.079
so well, can we sign off
our way? We have a ritual?

1630
01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:55.479
Oh okay, yeah, it's very
esoteric and spooky. We just say bye

1631
01:56:55.520 --> 01:57:02.960
guys at the camera, all right
bye. God. Weird things happen in

1632
01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:17.520
the backyard Blodso house and said oct
it was so weird coming closer to us.

1633
01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:28.880
Myer say his straight up like smiring
on the inside of it. No

1634
01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:50.279
one knows, mad, Wow,
it's come for I ever did a solid

1635
01:57:51.720 --> 01:58:15.319
driver. Ain't happy? Can be
having ch