WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.879 Oh boy, here we go again, another one for the books. Hey, 2 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:26.760 how are you? You know it's funny. I have talked about this 3 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:33.640 for years that our history is educated guests for the most part, and especially 4 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:39.399 when you start getting into civilizations that are a thousand years or older, we 5 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:46.320 don't know how many of these early people formed. We're talking Sumerians, we're 6 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:54.640 talking pre dynastic Egyptians. We we're talking the Maya, the China, Chinese, 7 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.399 and so forth and so on. A lot of these guys just appeared 8 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:04.640 on the scene completely formed. That's a huge problem for a lot of archaeologists, 9 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:11.879 Egyptologists, minus whatever you want to focus on. And it's a challenge 10 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.359 because there's no writing, you know, and we're just beginning to get a 11 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:22.599 sense of these cuneiforms, these clay tablets that go back thousands of years, 12 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:30.760 most notably the Sumerians, and they're descriptions of earlier civilizations that because our current 13 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:41.079 crop of archaeologists and scientists are not allowed or educated to go further than noted 14 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:48.439 and well documented kings and individuals, including civilizations, they don't accept it. 15 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:56.719 They don't accept the kings lists that go back ten twenty there's even evidence in 16 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:02.159 some of the Egyptian lists that are close to fifty thousand years in the past, 17 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:09.479 and that's just too much. And this is what's so frustrating about academia 18 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:17.120 and our current history. They need to see hard evidence well on Earth ancients. 19 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:23.360 We do our best to provide as much hard evidence as possible and research 20 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:30.039 and we got it today with my returning guest Matt Lacroix, who is going 21 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:38.560 to drill down into what he has discovered and continues to uncover in Turkey. 22 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:44.120 And I have only been to Istanbul a couple of times, which isn't really 23 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:51.080 getting out in the backcountry like go Beckley Tepe, places like darren Kuru, 24 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.360 Cappadocia. These are hundreds and a couple of places are close to eight hundred 25 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:01.560 one thousand miles excuse me, not a thousand, close to eight hundred miles 26 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:09.439 from Istanbul, and this is where the real research and excavations are going on. 27 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.479 Now. We all know about go Beckley Tepee, which was dated to 28 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:22.919 what nine five hundred BC, roughly twelve thousand plus years ago. It was 29 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.879 established and then oddly it was covered up, it was buried for some reason. 30 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:35.560 It was protected. Now there's another site that's a few miles from go 31 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:40.319 Beckley Teppey called Carahan Teppi. And when we had Hugh Newman and JJ Ainsworth 32 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:46.439 on the program, who have been there a few times, we're getting in 33 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:53.599 a sense that there's still a great deal of guesswork. And when Schmidt, 34 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:59.919 the archaeologist who discovered and excavated go Beckley teppe first revealed the carbon daty, 35 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.599 he basically tipped the worldline and see here, because it was so far it 36 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:15.719 was so far back, so ancient, that it was hard for the academic 37 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.600 world to adapt. Now. I still think there's a lot of people that 38 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:26.800 are questioning these dates and are very uncomfortable with going that far back. But 39 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:32.759 in our program today, Matt is introducing a new book that he co wrote 40 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:39.800 with Billy Carson called The Epic of Humanity. And in that book, he 41 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:45.759 goes back. According to the cuteiforms, these clay tablets that are written on 42 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:53.560 he goes back two hundred thousand years. And that's where we begin to, 43 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.959 strangely enough, correlate with people like Mario Bill Reps. Remember he's a mathematician 44 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.040 that goes back. I think he goes back actually more than two hundred thousand 45 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:10.279 years. And then we got our own doctor Mark Carlotto, who, through 46 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:16.560 the use of alignments of temples, pyramids, and ancient buildings, he goes 47 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:21.560 back I think pretty close to a couple hundred thousand years. Now, these 48 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:28.879 are insane dates. I am college educated, many of you are college educated. 49 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.360 I studied some anthropology classes. But you know, whenever we get Jin 50 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:38.399 day On here, That's why I love Jin. She's an archaeologist. She 51 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:46.519 becomes quiet and subdude when she starts hearing dates that are one hundred thousand to 52 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.800 two hundred thousand years in the past, four sophisticated buildings. How do you 53 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:59.199 get over this, Well, you have to get over it through hard evidence. 54 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.079 And I haven't announced to make just the last couple of days. Jindo, 55 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:10.680 our own archaeologist here at Earth Agients, has agreed to join Matt Lacroix 56 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:21.800 and his team to go to Turkey to study these artifacts and through testing and 57 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:30.800 data analysis, work to get some dates for these new ruins that are coming 58 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:36.360 to light. So when I hear that our own Gendeo going to Turkey and 59 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.800 working with Matt, and I really admire Matt and appreciate him. He's got 60 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:48.839 the energy that I had at his age to head out and start uncovering more 61 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:56.439 evidence of this early civilization that he's all excited about. So our program today 62 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.920 is the Epic of Humanity, and my guest is Matt Lacroix, and we're 63 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.839 gonna go for a couple of hours today because we're gonna talk about not only 64 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:11.600 where we left off when he was on the panel with Doctor, with Reverend 65 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:17.639 Jim Willis and Jendo and myself. We're gonna drill down deep to that, 66 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.639 and then we're gonna talk about this book that just came out. I mean 67 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.680 it just came out, what is it, a couple of weeks ago, 68 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.000 So the Epic of Humanity And by the way, you can now get it 69 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:35.000 on Amazon, so check it out and see what you think. So this 70 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.160 is what we're doing today. We're gonna do a deep dive on Turkey. 71 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:59.920 So hold on to your hats, savateurs. Is well organized, Everything flow 72 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.560 easily. It was a fantastic tour from beginning to end. To be honest, 73 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.079 I was shocked by the private visits. I could not believe that we 74 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.199 were lucky enough to experience those. That's from one of the many people who 75 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.160 do the Earth Ancients Grand Egyptian Tour every year. We're in our fifth year 76 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:24.399 and we're looking forward to our next program. That's this April twenty eight through 77 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:31.720 May fifth, and it is a tour of ancient sites and it's a private 78 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:39.279 tour with our host, Mohammed Imbry Him, who is a wonderful world class 79 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.679 post and tour guide. We have a few spots left and this is an 80 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.519 invitation to you to come out and join us in what can only be described 81 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:56.039 as a VIP tour of Egypt. These are private sites we go to for 82 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:01.120 the most part. This is a view of some of the most intriguing sites, 83 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.879 including the Great Pyramid, Hathor Temple, the Bent Pyramid, the Red 84 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.960 Pyramid, so much more, and then we cruise on the Nile. This 85 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.120 is a way to really take in the ancient past and from start to finish, 86 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.480 the food, the beverages and the environment is first class. For more 87 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:26.000 information, please go to Earthancients dot com forward slash tours all the informations there. 88 00:09:26.519 --> 00:10:18.440 The Earth Ancients Grand Egyptian Tour April twenty eighth through May ninth. All 89 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.480 right, we've got a great show today. As always, we have interesting 90 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:28.879 topics, and I've invited Matt Lacrue back to the program. Not only does 91 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.080 Matt have a new book out called The Epic of Humanity. It's co written 92 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.759 by Billy Carson, but I wanted Matt to come back to give us the 93 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.840 kind of a deep dive on what's going on in Turkey. I have not 94 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.879 been to Turkey. We're doing our first Tour Earth Ancient Tour in August of 95 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.360 this year, and I'm looking. I mean, I've been to Istanbul, 96 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.039 but Istanbul is very modern and I didn't get a chance to go to go 97 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.279 back to the Tapy and so forth and so on. But I have invited 98 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.399 Matt back for a number of reasons. He's an exciting guy. He's passionate 99 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:09.000 like I am, about the ancient past, and he is taking Orthodoxy and 100 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:16.720 moving it beyond what we understand about ancient our ancient history, and giving us 101 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:22.159 a possible scenario for really exciting discoveries. So, Hey, Matt, welcome 102 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.480 back to Earth the Ancient. It's great to see you. Hey, Cliff, 103 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.000 it's great to see you again. I feel like this is like part 104 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.480 two, because we just had that other one we did, but truly, 105 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.120 it's an amazing way to come out of that show and then discuss even what 106 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.759 came out of that and these new discoveries that you brought up. So thanks 107 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.159 for having back on. Yeah, the panel was fun. I had a 108 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.519 lot of good positive comments. It's fun to have more than one person on 109 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.240 a panel. But as we discussed before we started, the time issues are 110 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.320 much tighter, So you know, before we start, Matt, I want 111 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.399 to get a little information about you. I mean I haven't had you on 112 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:03.679 by yourself for lee four years now, if not longer. Yeah, why 113 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.799 are you passionate about the past? What? What is it? I mean, 114 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.240 it's it like, oh, it's cool to look at new discoveries and 115 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.240 you're in Turkey, and Turkey's in ancient place and there's not enough feet on 116 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.039 the ground that are looking at stuff. But what is it for you? 117 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.320 Yeah? Who cares? Man? I mean, why why should we care? 118 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.879 Well, the funny thing about you asking that is that a lot of 119 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.360 my life I was interested in the in the idea of lost civilizations, and 120 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.720 I was fascinated by that concept. But I wasn't like a history nerd. 121 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.519 You know, you didn't walk up to me in the playground when I was 122 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.559 like twelve and be like Matt was the date on like when you know, 123 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.360 like Cortes conquered the astec Like I wasn't bad, Like that wasn't me. 124 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.200 I was like looking for crystals and rocks and I was, you know, 125 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.200 wonder. I was in awe and wonder of the stars above me and all 126 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.000 the kids. Everyone's like walking around doing their thing, and I was just 127 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.679 out out there staring around like and people. It felt very odd to me 128 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.039 that I felt very different than everyone else. I knew it very much. 129 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.960 Felt more like in my friend that I grew up with, Ryan would attest 130 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.679 to this, It's like it's like you don't know anything about being here. 131 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.759 It's kind of weird. It was an odd thing. It felt like more 132 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.240 like I was some kind of a tourist and I'm like I'm wide eyed and 133 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.240 I'm looking at everything, and I'm like out nature and I'm like blown away, 134 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.759 and everybody else is sort of like okay, And that's was my life 135 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.440 though. That was my life from a very young age. It's just being 136 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.480 completely unorthodox to everyone else. I was like a complete nerd. I didn't 137 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.600 have a lot of friends. I was usually spending most of the time out 138 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.240 in nature looking for rocks and crystals and gold and all kinds of things, 139 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.919 and I still do that now. I'm never like. In fact, there's 140 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.919 not that much difference between my passions from when I was young, except one, 141 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.159 not big one is that I've literally the embodiment of who I am and 142 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:03.320 my mission here. Literally, I feel like it is connecting the ancient narrative 143 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.840 of our lost civilizations and the origins of who we are in our consciousness, 144 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.320 these mysteries, these greater mysteries that encompass the totality of our existence here in 145 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.000 this reality. And that became far more than just an interest in something that 146 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.639 I was passionate about, but became something that I realized was more of a 147 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:28.320 voice inside me. It was more of like a fire that was burning, 148 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.840 that was something that I had to do, and there was nothing else that 149 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.000 I really could do. It was like that voice and that calling just became 150 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.399 stronger and stronger as I got a little older and into a different phases of 151 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.240 my life. And now it's to the point where I have to try to 152 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.840 go out of my way. And my wife will admit this to try to 153 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.279 do other normal things in life because I am so focused and obsessed with uncovering 154 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.519 these ancient mysteries. Yeah, we should also let our listeners know that congratulations, 155 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.559 you've just got married. I got married back in but but I mean 156 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:03.840 within the last twelve months. But come on, it's been it's been great. 157 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.039 She's an amazing woman. She's so beautiful. I feel very lucky to 158 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:13.159 have such a supportive, smart, just an incredible woman that is already driven 159 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.480 to want to explore the greater questions of things. Anyway, and that's really 160 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.559 part of what you want to share that path with. Yeah, that's that's 161 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.000 a perfect partner. You said something just now that I can relate to, 162 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:33.120 which is that I came back, I incarnated. I wanted to show people, 163 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.799 tell people, reveal the people that we are part of a much older 164 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:45.879 culture. Yeah. Do you have a sense of lifetimes in an earlier period, 165 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.360 perhaps not acknowledging them in dreams or whatever, but just because for me, 166 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.799 at a very very young age, I was like being kicked out of 167 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.000 Sunday School because I'm like questioning the Bible. Say, who's Jesus Christ? 168 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.200 Did he get out of here? Right? Get out? Of that exact 169 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.120 same thing happened to me too. It's crazy, you know, Kenny. 170 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.000 You say that because I was in Sunday School and I also got kicked out, 171 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.480 So it's funny that we walked a similar path in that way, Cliff, 172 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.919 But you're right. The way to describe it is this, as I've 173 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:26.240 been uncovering and connecting this narrative of from the Canaean form tablets and the Sumerians, 174 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.360 Acadians, Babylonians, Assyrians up through ancient stories around the world, whether 175 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.639 it's Vedic texts or ancient Aztec texts, it came it came more in line 176 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:40.279 with this understanding that there was something that need to be brought together. There 177 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:44.360 was an understanding there was a there was a story, a thread that had 178 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.840 gone around the world that had been lost, that had been fragmented into pieces 179 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.759 over time from catastrophes and conquerors and various other means that have come along and 180 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.759 just time itself. And for me, something spoke to me as being like 181 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:03.559 an ancient like an ancient librarian or sage or something like that. Because and 182 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.799 I say that not in a way to sound cool at all. I don't. 183 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:14.240 It's more of this fire within me of to literally dedicate every single thing 184 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.240 I have to these mysteries and protecting these ancient texts and the knowledge that's within 185 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.440 them, and where that comes from. It's the only thing that makes sense 186 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:25.400 to me is it has to come from some previous life that that was literally 187 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.519 what I did. And thus I guess, like you said, maybe we 188 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.880 come back for different reasons. We have many different lifetimes. We all have 189 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.920 a great tapestry we play in this grand scheme of reality. But what if 190 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.240 some of those lifetimes we had a very pivotal role at one point, and 191 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.359 then we come back to almost replay that role again in another life. And 192 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.960 I very much feel like that may be why I'm doing this and why maybe 193 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:56.079 some of these secrets are are connecting and becoming known in a way where it 194 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:02.160 almost seems more familiar than anything else. It's like remembering rather than learning for 195 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:06.599 the first time, yeah, or bringing it back as quickly as possible. 196 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.920 One of the interesting things that has been an issue for people is well known 197 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:21.359 as Graham Hancock and the hundreds of people that we have on the program each 198 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.839 week or every year, I should say, is the fact that we are 199 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:34.319 dealing with an orthodoxy that doesn't recognize earlier sophisticated cultures Atlantis, Limoria, you 200 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:40.559 can name it, the people who who perhaps had technology that is more earth 201 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.000 centered. And I'm dealing with this right now in my writings with the Maya, 202 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.640 the earlier Maya who did have an earth based, geomagnetic, tuloric filled 203 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:59.079 society built around a science that we're just discovering right now. This is a 204 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.559 huge problem. And what you're doing is great because you're revealing through your writing, 205 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:08.440 through your research, through your travel, uh, that there are earlier 206 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.440 civilizations. Why do we need to look at these people with a fine tooth 207 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.559 comb? Why? Why? Why should we care? I mean because I'm 208 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.799 curious. I just it's kind of a secondary question to you, but it's 209 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:30.039 important because why Well, the first thing to the way to answer that question 210 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.799 is the state is to first point out that this view we've have our of 211 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.400 our past in a linear way of slowly progressing from like stone tools and you 212 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.039 know, beating each other over the head with like the whole flintstone idea, 213 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.240 that concept that is like kind of silly, but the idea that that started 214 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.920 there, and then we've slowly gotten smarter and figured things out over time. 215 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.759 Is this model that is portrayed to us and nearly everything that we see. 216 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.160 And then so when people look back and they're like, what do I care 217 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:02.640 about history with some primitive people that or doing something in the jungle or somewhere 218 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:03.920 like, I don't care, Like what does that matter? Like there's nothing 219 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.880 I can learn from them. It could not be more of the opposite the 220 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:14.839 truth. It literally could not be more of the opposite of that statement in 221 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.200 literally every single way. And let me tell you why. The first thing 222 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.039 is that when we look at the ancient past, this linear progression from starting 223 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.160 in a primitive place to getting to where we are now and thinking where the 224 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.079 pinnacle of knowledge and different aspects like that, first of all, I think 225 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.759 is very very wrong. I think it's very very wrong. And secondly, 226 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.480 when we look at the history of how far back our story goes and the 227 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.359 levels of civilizations that have risen and fallen over time, looking at something like 228 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.960 the Yuga cycles out of the Hindu Yuga cycles, which point out that that's 229 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.039 literally the nature of the cyclical nature of our existence. Here you find that 230 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.720 our story is far more complex than we've been told and instead of being something 231 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:00.880 where those primitive hunter gatherers were very stupid back twenty thirty thousand years ago, 232 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:06.519 we're now looking at evidence that is emerging from Turkey in other parts of the 233 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:10.000 world, but especially like Vaughan that we're going to talk about, that is 234 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:18.880 showing us that there's an entire chapter of our story that is enormous and mysterious 235 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:25.400 and mythical and seems to have this origin point that we couldn't figure out, 236 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.720 but that the output was that all these giant civilizations were building temples and pyramids 237 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.200 and connecting to that, like you said, that great word, the energy 238 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.200 of the Earth. Love it that energy that flows through the earth that Nikola 239 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:44.039 Tesla figured out through magnetism, that energy. They already had figured that out, 240 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.880 so they embodied in everything they did. And so we look now where 241 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:52.640 we are with cars driving by everywhere in trains and planes flying over our head, 242 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.079 and were like, look at the pinnacle of all of our achievements. 243 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:02.640 And yet we can't even usually usually say a couple sentences without having some kind 244 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.440 of a slang word or using some grammar that's inaccurate. We're like, we 245 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:11.720 don't, We're not that well educated comparison comparatively to these poets of our past. 246 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:17.799 Go if you read something like John Taylor's book that I just a good 247 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:23.920 an example of this, Like, give me an example I spent. I 248 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:29.559 just did a podcast on this book two days ago. This is from the 249 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.680 eighteen hundreds, from man named John Taylor. In reading his words, you 250 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.799 realize that we've lost so much even from the eighteen hundreds, the way they 251 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:42.039 speak, the way they see the world, the way they value interaction and 252 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:48.519 respect, and the way they value all those things. That degradation has continued 253 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.759 to the point now where we no longer value our elders, we no longer 254 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.039 value our past, We no longer value the things that really matter, like 255 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:02.480 the Earth, are role in the universe, are the totality of reaching balance 256 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.519 and what all all these things can unlock. But that's why I think it's 257 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.400 so profound to go back to some of these earlier writers and some of these 258 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.559 earlier thinkers to remember what we've lost. And of course if you want to 259 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.880 go back for them, that you'll truly see it. Go back to read 260 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.839 read the ancient Sumerian tablets like read like the Auma Elish or octra Hasis or 261 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:29.079 Epic of Gilgamesh, the earlier versions, because though they were rewritten in other 262 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.319 in our later cultures. But what you find is the most beautiful form in 263 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:38.680 which they were describing our connection to everything, our connection to nature and the 264 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.720 source of of like what we think of as God, and the totality and 265 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:48.720 the fabric, this invisible fabric that exists all around us, that we're almost 266 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.720 invisible. It's almost invisible to us. Now we no longer look at it, 267 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.480 we no longer care about it, we no longer respect it the way 268 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:57.240 that we used to. And the ancients are trying when we're trying to tell 269 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.880 us all along. If you want to go back to the very almost ancient 270 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.880 text of all, they say that if we lose the balance and harmony we 271 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:11.440 have within ourselves the microcosm of the macrocosm, within the earth and nature and 272 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.119 within the universe, we literally become disconnected from the true sides of who we 273 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:21.799 are. And that is what the true biblical idea of hell is. An 274 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:26.039 angelic like divine being that starts at a place where it's connected to source. 275 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.599 It finds this way so lost eventually that it literally has no connection back to 276 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:37.960 it our current civilization. Right it's almost like a whisper in the wind of 277 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.119 what used to be long ago that we've forgotten, that we're almost trying to 278 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.279 listen to, like it's an echo, but we don't really know what it 279 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.559 is, and we're trying to rediscover it. And that voice from the past 280 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.880 that's kind of flowing on the wind that we hear is getting louder and louder 281 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.319 as the ancient past and these discoveries are merging. The old world is merging 282 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.240 with the new world coming together. Right now, we're finding that synergy of 283 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.559 energy. Finally, we're finding that awakening of consciousness and that flowering that's emerging. 284 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.119 And I truly believe that these discoveries at Lake Vaughn is that origin point 285 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:17.799 we've been searching for for thousands of years. Yeah, it's funny because you 286 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.079 know, when we had you on this panel, you were you definitely have 287 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:26.079 an affinity for Turkey, but it's gone beyond just an affinity. It appears 288 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:32.960 to be that you have found, through others research, a link to the 289 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.680 very very ancient past. Let's talk about your interest now. I want to 290 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:45.119 talk about this underwater temple at Lake Vaughan. What was the dates they came 291 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.440 up with on that, wasn't it something extreme? Well, first of all, 292 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:55.079 it was discovered those those temple temple walls in the in the temple foundations 293 00:25:55.079 --> 00:26:00.920 that were left over was discovered underwater in Lake Vaughn had more than one hundred 294 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:07.200 feet deep. Okay, but only in twenty seventeen. You know, think 295 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.440 about how right now, if you go on forms or you're on anything ancient, 296 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.480 go Beckley Teppee and Karrahan Karahan Tepe are sort of everyone's talking about them 297 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:21.160 because they're shaking things up and they're changing our timelines. But those were found 298 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.839 during World War Two. These discoveries in Lake Vaughan, if people are wondering 299 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.119 why they haven't heard of them or why a lot of this seems brand news 300 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.799 because they are brand new. They're brand new discoveries in the scheme of history. 301 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:38.119 Like if you find a site like for instance, when they discovered Ayanis 302 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:42.079 in nineteen eighty nine, they didn't discover the temple. They discover the lower 303 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:47.880 megalithic walls way down below. Took them thirty years to find the temple, 304 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.559 thirty years to get all the way to the point where they could find that 305 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.200 Haldy temple with all those ancient symbols that we're gonna talk about. So even 306 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.880 if you make a discovery in some location, it doesn't mean that you find 307 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.640 the heart of what you're looking for right away, right And what you were 308 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:08.319 getting to your point about the discoveries is that I was confirming with conferring with 309 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.680 the megalithic expert of the world, Brian Forster, who's one of the experts 310 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.799 on this film, and he was I was asking him on like, Brian, 311 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:22.359 is this the only underwater megalithic temple wall that has megalithic precise blocks anywhere 312 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.039 in the world, because I can't find any other ones. He thought about 313 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.279 it for a minute and he's like, I believe that's the only one in 314 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.400 the world as well, which is already phenomenally fascinating because then you have something 315 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.279 that's in a place that doesn't exist anywhere else. But then then beds a 316 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.440 question, Well, okay, so it's not a primitive wall. I'm not 317 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.240 saying there's no other underwater stuff. We have plenty of stuff off Alexandria in 318 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.720 Egypt and other areas of Greece and so on. But how could you have 319 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:56.640 cliff a highly sophisticated megalithic temple wall that was clearly built over one hundred feet 320 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:03.440 underwater in Lake Vaughan. If our history that we're told with civilizations emerging out 321 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.960 of Mesopotamia is only six thousand years old, it doesn't make any sense if 322 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:12.119 you have over one hundred feet underwater. It would have had to predate the 323 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:18.480 lake levels of that lake, right, And that's exactly what they found. 324 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.440 It was fascinating to read. If anyone's curious to go read some very interesting 325 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.160 papers, go read about the underwater discoveries in Lake Vaughan and where they discuss 326 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:32.519 geologically and climatologically when the lake would have been low enough to be able to 327 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:37.079 build at that level. And some of the scientists were like throwing out dates 328 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.960 like fifteen thousand years ago because that's what the glacial minimum for when that lake 329 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.079 was as low as it was, which literally ties in exactly with the timeframe 330 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:51.160 of everything we're talking about now with this new timeline of history and these lost 331 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.839 civilizations. So who are the people who build I mean, because the photographs 332 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:03.720 that you present on your website of this ruin in Lake Vaughan is beautifully designed. 333 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:08.240 It's like really, you know, high tech or we don't want to 334 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.640 say machine because we can't tell if the stones were cut with a machine or 335 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.519 not. But nice tools though, like high end, yeah, really high 336 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.839 end. Beautiful bronze age not bronze age. Yeah, So what is this 337 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:26.960 suspicion in terms of an age for that, because we were talking about the 338 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:33.319 glacial melts into the river, that could be pre ice age or maybe at 339 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:38.119 the end of the younger dress you just suggested twelve fifteen thousand in the teens. 340 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:42.279 Sure older than that. Yeah, I actually think and I'm going to 341 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:48.039 make a definitive statement here as someone who studied every megalithic temple and every megalithic 342 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.440 site in the world that I can find, and every temple site too, 343 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.000 because we have to remember the early Sumerians with Arado and Shirupak, they didn't 344 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.240 build with megalithic stones. They specifically built with brick for a purpose that they 345 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.680 wanted that time. And it's actually describes in the tablets, and I'll paraphrase 346 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:11.400 it says they laid bricks in pure places and so they had a reason for 347 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.680 that for that. But that also makes us so any kind of brick structures 348 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.799 can't really survive unless they're buried under a massive amount of inundation layer of mud, 349 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:26.799 which is why ad Srupeks survive. However, in saying that, when 350 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.519 you excavate and go look at those sites, you don't see the remains of 351 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.359 there's no beautiful temple still like it's just all eroded with pottery and fragments of 352 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.640 cuneiform tablets. Right, it's so ancient, there's nothing really left in terms 353 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.319 of it. It's megali, it's nature of it, of its temples and 354 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.680 its structures, they're not really much left. So having said that, I 355 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.000 believe that ionis temple with the absolutely stunning recreation they put into it. The 356 00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:02.640 University of Anchora is standbul out there, Vaughan University Professor pasaically phenomenal job. 357 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.640 Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You guys seeing that sight when 358 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.559 they first discovered it, Cliff, when they first uncovered the Holdy Temple at 359 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:15.319 Ayanis, it was like it looks like an apocalypse destroyed it. There's vitrification 360 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.920 marks strewn all over the walls, extreame melting and burning. Things are thrown 361 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.240 all over the place. It looks like a tsunami and then some kind of 362 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:29.920 corollass ejection heat event just destroyed that whole area, which is why they found 363 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.599 it such a enormous amount of sediment. But getting back to what you were 364 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.880 saying at the beginning, the discoveries under Lake Vaughan with this megalithic temple shows 365 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:45.160 us that there's a timeline here that is sterious because if Quebecley Teppe has been 366 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:51.880 radiocarbon dated further to the west as being eleven six hundred years old, it 367 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.559 begs the question on how old these temples could be though, because when we 368 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.000 look at the ancient Sumerian stories, this Christian Noah figure that is from the 369 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:06.640 original Sumeri, last Sumerian king of Sharrupak known as Untapishtam or Zaya Sudra, 370 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.759 you find that that's where the heart of that entire story came from. And 371 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:15.400 it's this epic of the last line of Sumerian kings and priests that were going 372 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.839 to be destroyed from this event, and they want one of them with his 373 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.480 family was warned and that's where the story comes from. But that's how that 374 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:29.759 family got from the Sumerian region over to Vaughan was from literally a catastrophe on 375 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.759 the earth, and it's very true. It's very well documented in at least 376 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.599 four different sets of tablets, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Haitian Autrejasus, 377 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.359 the Legend of Itsubar, and there is even a couple others too that are 378 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:47.359 kind of obscure that described that that flood story in almost the exact same way, 379 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.559 with this seed of mankind being seed of mankind being preserved from an ancient 380 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.839 bloodline of the Sumerian king and his families, three sons and his and they 381 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.960 they are then the ones that we're finding these bizarre kings lists coming out of 382 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.079 Lake Vaughan from cliff Okay, That's what I mean is like this mythical kind 383 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:13.480 of Christian story that is like, of course, I think there's a lot 384 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.680 of it that's not accurate in the dating and all those things, but there's 385 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.319 this origin point back to the original Sumerian versions and all these Babylonian versions. 386 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.119 And then what you find is that makes this so like mind blowing is that 387 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.079 there's a site at around Lake Vaughan, at the southern end of the lake 388 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:34.240 called Cavistepe, and at that site there's a megalithic wall that's surrounded by the 389 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.480 more primitive Urartian work. And in that wall it has a translation cliff okay, 390 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.000 And in that translation it says, and I'm gonna paraphrase because I don't 391 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.200 have it right in front of me, but it says something like I King 392 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:52.559 Hike and Haldy built this great temple and this civilization and all these things. 393 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:58.599 And you see that, and you look up King Hike in Wikipedia. You 394 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.440 don't even need to go in deep d deep, it's anywhere. It's very 395 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.039 obvious. You find that. It says right in there that he literally was 396 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.320 a direct descendant of Japeth, who is a directed was one of the three 397 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:13.480 sons of Noah. The last Sumerian version of this Untapischtam. It's like the 398 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.039 whole story came full circle. The whole thing became a reality, from like 399 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.079 the myth and legend side to the archaeological evidence driven side the whole the two 400 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.039 things merged and we found these mysteries that just got deeper and deeper. That 401 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.519 was just the beginning. That was like the tip of the iceberg. For 402 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.880 how deep that mystery truly went. So to answer your question, though, 403 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.880 how old is it? I don't even think that those disasters that caused that 404 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.760 event that led to them going there and then building that. I don't even 405 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.559 think that was the last ice Age Younger Dryas twelve thousand years ago, which 406 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.960 is what I think destroyed Atlantis and all these others. I think it was 407 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.840 an entire event before that, which is how they were able to then pass 408 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.480 that Golden Age around the world, which was then destroyed by the Younger Dryis. 409 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.639 But that means that Ianis, I truly believe is the oldest and most 410 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.760 important temple in the world. And I think it's it's more than twenty thousand 411 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:09.400 years old. Yeah, I was. I was waiting for you to throw 412 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.559 that at me. Uh. It's interesting how the Sumerians chronicle these guys uh 413 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:23.880 in their in their writing, in their their tablets. But you are I 414 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.320 want to continue with this a little bit. Then we're gonna jump into this 415 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.639 book because it transitions very nice. And don't forget the new addition to the 416 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.519 team too. Yeah, we should mention that that Jindeo, who's been on 417 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:40.360 earth the ancients for years, has now joined Matt's team. Uh and uh, 418 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:47.360 so Jin Jin's a real deal archaeologists. She's done research and done studies 419 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.840 too. Yeah, she's an anthropolitic. Obviously, you have to be with 420 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.679 origins and you get archaeology. It's yeah, she's gonna be fun to It's 421 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:59.239 gonna be fun to hear what she has to say. But you're assembling this 422 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:07.119 group with the goal of what the goal is to have expertise from every single 423 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.599 possible area we can so that we're in when we're in a place that has 424 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.320 megalithic stuff and archaeology, we need to have people that are experts in megalithic 425 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.360 stuff and archaeology. When we're in the same place that has religious iconography and 426 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.760 ancient symbols that tie back to the origins of spirituality religion, we need someone 427 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.840 that has deep, deep knowledge in within from the church but has not from 428 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.199 within but has come out that has the biblical background, but also that spiritual 429 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.119 shamanic understanding, right, and then we also have to have people that understand 430 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.800 ancient texts, like me from the degree of where these names and where all 431 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.039 these stories come from, and where we can follow this thread. And so 432 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:53.440 that ended up emerging into five experts from around the world, myself, Billy 433 00:36:53.519 --> 00:37:00.800 Carson, Brian Forrester, Jennifer do and now Paul Wallace as well, to 434 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.480 make five total to create this like a dream team. And I just want 435 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.639 to I want to go back though on what you had mentioned a minute a 436 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:14.239 second ago about Jennifer Dio. If anybody wants to watch that wonderful panel that 437 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.760 we did just recently that is on Cliff's channel and is on mine. It 438 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:22.079 was amazing because I had never met Jennifer. Cliff introduced me to her just 439 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.440 Ada Blue in that panel, and you'll see right in it like during the 440 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.119 process, I'm kind of like smiling, and I'm like, hmmm, because 441 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.199 you can. I've already figured it out very clear that Jennifer was the one. 442 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.119 She was the only archaeologist I ever met who's open minded in that way 443 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.039 to look at evidence that is from an academic and evidence driven place. She's 444 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.079 got a lot of experience, she's very smart, but she comes to the 445 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.559 place where she's not going to be rigid, just like every other archaeologist. 446 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.239 And so I feel very honored that Jennifer has joined the team and is willing 447 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.840 to help investigate this mystery to truly see if we can change history. So 448 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.639 that's what it's all about, bringing these together for a film that's gonna go 449 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.519 not only in Turkey, but we're we're working right now to see if we 450 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.599 can make it happen on another mysterious country in the Middle East that I can't 451 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.920 mention yet. But then we're gonna We're gonna include Peru and Bolivia as this 452 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.679 expedition around the world to to follow this mystery and try to see if we 453 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.599 can lead it back to the very origins of everything. Mm hmm. So 454 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:30.960 the goal is to have real solid uh content for this film. But the 455 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:38.320 secondary result of this research would be that you would be publishing in papers your 456 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.079 your work. Right, Yeah, let me get Let me explain that for 457 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.559 a minute, because it's important that people understand the scope of this is that 458 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.400 I parted ways. I was working at Gaya back in November up until November, 459 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.800 and I parted the part of Ways in Gaya with these new Discoveries and 460 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.719 started started my own company, oh my honest legacy Okay. That became the 461 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:05.199 entire foundation behind the film, the Discoveries everything. It was the engine behind 462 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.599 this and all this work, and so I'm doing that full time now with 463 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.000 bringing on a couple people soon, which is incredibly exciting, and we're gonna 464 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.719 be launching this as a media and discovery company to then go multiple times, 465 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.920 not even once in so far this year, we're scheduled to go to Lake 466 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.280 Vaughan and those sites two times. We're gonna be there for like a month 467 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.480 total. We're gonna be capturing, we're gonna be doing full surveys, no 468 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.199 digging, because we're not gonna break any laws or rules, but we're gonna 469 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.559 be doing measuring surveys. We're gonna take measurements of the stones. We're gonna 470 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.320 be doing everything we can that we're allowed to do to then go forward and 471 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:51.039 write a whole book on this going forward, and Jennifer might actually join me 472 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.280 in that book. We're still talking about it. But at least we're going 473 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:58.840 to be coming at this in the most academic way possible to present these this 474 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:08.239 findings with every single avenue of academic and I guess sort of like studying background, 475 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.760 sort of self studied background as well, the academic side sort of coming 476 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.119 together to try to see if we can prove that this is truly is accurate, 477 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:23.400 and so far the consensus is that, yes, this is not at 478 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.800 all what we've been told. This is not the Urartian civilization that we're showing 479 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.920 with these sites. It is from another completely different epic in history, and 480 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:37.519 now it's just about going and proving it. We're going to take a short 481 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:44.599 commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will be right 482 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:49.760 back with my guest today, Matt Lacroix, discussing his newest book, The 483 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:59.360 Epic of Humanity. We'll be right back. You don't want to practition. 484 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.519 My guest today is Matt Lacroix. He is the author of the latest book, 485 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.000 The Epic of Humanity, co written with Billy Carson, and he is 486 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:43.840 doing some exciting research in Turkey, which is the topic of our discussion today. 487 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:51.920 I want to ask you about this because when go backly Teppie was first 488 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:58.800 revealed to be was it nine five BC? And then Carahan Teppee is I 489 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.280 don't know if it's older or not, few thousand years old, the same 490 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.599 thing they're built around. They're pretty close. Yeah, that was hard for 491 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.320 the community to swallow. It's just there's still I mean I remember, and 492 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:19.079 this is not that long ago. The Egyptologist was asked about Go Beckley Teppe 493 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.239 and he was like, what who, what, what is that about? 494 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.880 Which is scary because he knew he knew, I mean he knew. Yeah, 495 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.639 but this is what we're you're dealing with. You're dealing with a community 496 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:37.559 that just will not budge on a timeline with sophisticated cultures, and I mean 497 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.960 you're hoping to show them in the same kind of a context like here's Go 498 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.159 Beckley Teppe, but now we have an even earlier people from Turkey that were 499 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.880 much much more sophisticated. Because one of my big problems with Go Beckley Teppe 500 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.960 is, although it's great dating, it's very rudimentary. The sculptures are just 501 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.400 the t shape pillars are the only thing that is of an in trust to 502 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.280 me. I mean, I'm an artist, I'm a trained artist and sculptor, 503 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.880 and when I see the sculptures, I'm like, this is very crude. 504 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.920 These guys are like, you know, what do you think about that 505 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.960 compared to like some of the beautiful stuff at Lake Von though, well that's 506 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.360 what I was saying. The stone work and on this under water temple. 507 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.039 It looks like Humapuku or it looks like very sophisticated egypt temple work. So 508 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:30.239 it's like and that's the big problem with with a lot of alternative work, 509 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.519 is that you go way way back and you see extremely sophisticated machine cut stones, 510 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.800 sculptures. We can go spend a day on that, and then there's 511 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.199 a period where it recedes and then it picks up again. So and this 512 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:52.639 is where I think archaeology has a problem is that they are confused as to 513 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.440 where these timelines. And this is my big problem is the timelines are screwed 514 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.400 up exactly that and that, and that can not be more apparent with a 515 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.679 site called kef okay Kef Temple. It's called Kef Klesi, but I don't 516 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.119 use the word klesi because it means fortress. It's kind of like calling the 517 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.880 Great Pyramid of Za Kufu's pyramid because he had nothing to do with it. 518 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:19.079 So it's silly. But anyway, when you go to Kef, I've shown 519 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.400 on that and you've seen that giant box relief that has the winged gods and 520 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.440 all that, just like it's made of a basalt. It's like some of 521 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.840 the most beautiful work you've every ever seen the world. It's amazing, and 522 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.199 the symbols and iconography in that is so fine tuned in the layers of how 523 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:38.239 they did it, it's beyond comprehension. I'm of the opinion that I'm I 524 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.320 am skeptical that it was even done by hand. I don't understand how it 525 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.079 was done. I don't know megalithic stone expert has ever been able to explain 526 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:52.519 to me, especially something like that three by three by four foot giant basalt 527 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.519 box relief that is coursed a big part of all of this, But how 528 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.079 they could have carved that in literally like you've seen, it has layers, 529 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.039 that has three different layers that are have been carved into it with cost within 530 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.280 it. It's like mind blowing. How could they could do that? But 531 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.880 the point I'm trying to make is the reason I said all that about how 532 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:17.239 amazing it is is because that's how the archaeologists found felt when they found it. 533 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.760 When they discovered it, and that site was not found during ey honest, 534 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.480 it was like a whole other time period and it became sort of lost 535 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.960 and no one ever heard of it again. But it was found in nineteen 536 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.960 fifty eight nineteen fifty nine ish that time period they were in excavating and they 537 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.119 found that giant box relief with fragments and other things. And what's really sad, 538 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.760 and I talked to Jennifer about this too, and it's something that we're 539 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:49.119 reading and talking about for the film to discuss, is that there was archaeologists 540 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.079 that came in that established the narrative of Turkey before that, okay, and 541 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:57.199 then when these archaeologists came in to excavate, like kef above Adel Savez and 542 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:02.039 they found that they were amazed by it. They were they wrote pages about 543 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.039 this and about the icons and everything. But what was sad about it was 544 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.599 that they kept talking about the symbols and how the symbols that have been identified 545 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.079 earlier by the other archaeologists. It was like they were trying to mold to 546 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.599 it and it was difficult for them. They would say things like, well, 547 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.639 we've been told that this looks like a lance or a spear, but 548 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.039 it really looks a lot like the tree of life symbol on here as well. 549 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.320 It's like they're arguing with each other, but in a respectful way where 550 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.880 they're not overstepping there they're like discussing how well it doesn't really match, but 551 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:42.280 and they're trying to like make it bend so they'll be like, well, 552 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.519 the lance or the tree of life image, it's like one's a war symbol 553 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.519 and one's a symbol of like balance and harmony in nature and essention. Like 554 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.400 they literally couldn't be the more opposite symbols. But what that did is it 555 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:59.840 created this entire mentality to try to to try to take the entire teachings that 556 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.480 within that and try to weave it into the Urartian war empire that made primitive 557 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.559 Bronze age tools and all this stuff that had none of the artistic work. 558 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:13.119 The last point I want to make, Cliff, they mentioned how the interesting 559 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:19.519 thing is that they found nothing culturally is advanced with artwork or pottery or stonemasonry 560 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.360 anywhere else in the Urartian civilization. And instead of being like, well that's 561 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.920 strange, their answer was, well, I guess they figured it out. 562 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.760 It's like that was their answer. And I'm not putting down those archaeologists that 563 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.480 said that they're just doing the best they can. They're just trying to do 564 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.079 the best they can. It gives us the avenue to come in now and 565 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.559 to try to really lay this in the way that's evidence and objective driven. 566 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.519 And Jennifer has already looked at that and agrees with me that we're gonna we're 567 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.880 obviously not gonna go with the Urartian background here because it doesn't make any sense 568 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.800 any longer. And just like around the world, Cliff, whether it's the 569 00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:02.039 Inca or of you know, Machu Picchu or Oea Tombo or Saskylaman there or 570 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.280 Tiwanaku and Pumapunku, it's the same thing. There's an older story in the 571 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.039 bottom and then a younger story on top. But you see that in Egypt, 572 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.920 you see that in Mexico, you literally see it everwhere in the world. 573 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.760 And that's the timeline that we need to get established so that we can 574 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:23.800 create this understanding of when things occurred and not lump it all together and get 575 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.159 it all confused like we are right now. Yeah, I'm gonna look forward 576 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.320 to hearing from you and of course Jenna, and on what you guys put 577 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:39.199 together and the outcome obviously the movie, the documentary and whatever books or white 578 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.920 papers that you release. One of the things. As a final note, 579 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.719 one of the things that I have come to realize is that the orthodoxy the 580 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:57.159 academic community is hindered in so many ways. And I got a wake up 581 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.119 call when I was introduced to doctor Edwin Barney Hard, who's a Mianist who 582 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:07.800 we we just did a tour with him in Chiapus, Mexico. He made 583 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:15.000 a statement that was profound to me, very very clear, very to the 584 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.159 point, which is that we only know and have only excavated about one percent 585 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.800 of the Maya world. We only have thirty known cities, and we know 586 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:34.360 there are literally hundreds of thousands of communities from Honduras to Yucatan the jungle like 587 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.440 lost right. And he said that, and he said, how in the 588 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.199 hell can we know so? And this is what I try to get across 589 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:51.280 to the listener is that science science, and these archaeologists are doing guess work. 590 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:57.280 This is our history. It's guessing. And to say that we know 591 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:04.880 conclusively about a culture that is over three thousand, five thousand years old is 592 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:10.920 not fair to the reader. And it's also unfair to alternative researchers like yourself, 593 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.719 like myself, like hundreds of other people that you know. How do 594 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.119 you feel about that going forward, and how do you work with the orthodoxy 595 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:29.440 that is rigid, unyielding in their understanding of previous early civilization. You know 596 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.760 how, if you've ever been in your life in many different situations, maybe 597 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.239 you've just been in a situation with people you know around you where maybe you 598 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:43.000 have an idea that is rejected by everyone else and you feel very isolated, 599 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.719 and it's like, am I sure I'm right about this? Or like how? 600 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:50.840 And then let's say instead, you like, maybe you meet a new 601 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.159 friend you're part of that group, and their friends like, guys, listen, 602 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.440 I've been studying this. Like everything he's saying is I think it's right. 603 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.960 You really should listen to what he's saying. And then a third friend 604 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.400 of that, maybe a group of six, right, is like, I 605 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.519 think he's right too, and then they like they walk over next to you, 606 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:08.440 and then before long everyone is like, yeah, I think maybe we 607 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.000 should look at this in a different way. And but you're like, wait 608 00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.280 a minute, you guys just told me I was like ridiculous and silly six 609 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.559 months ago or whatever it is. I'm just there. This is a hypothetical 610 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:24.800 analogy, but that concept is basically archaeology that's archaeology. That's that's the whole 611 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:30.719 and mentality of archaeology. Are these academic moguls of their time, these these 612 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.519 heroes that have laid this foundation, and they're well studied, and they're up, 613 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.679 you know, sitting in a stiff room with a they're all like, 614 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.880 no, like, let that go. That's not that that's not the future 615 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.559 anymore. Archaeology is being done by young people around the world that are open 616 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.679 minded and you just want to undercover the truth now. And so you have 617 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.159 all these students that are part of academic universities that are like amazed by this 618 00:51:54.239 --> 00:52:00.840 stuff. But they're waiting. Everyone's waiting for that tipping point to have all 619 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.400 those friends walk over to the other side of the group. And that's what's 620 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.320 happening, I believe right now, and I mean right now. Look at 621 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.679 something like it's a stepping stone thing. Look at something like we Beckley tepping 622 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.119 Krahan pushing that narrative back, finally being accepted a little bit. Then you 623 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:22.239 get things like Braham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse getting the mainstream, start getting more understood 624 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.679 and accepted. All the stuff that's going on with the podcasts around the world, 625 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:28.159 and it's blowing all this stuff up. People like, all right, 626 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:30.800 let's look at this in a different light now. And then, now, 627 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.840 for the first time ever ever, you have in the light of having the 628 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.440 interest of being knowledge and getting at the truth, and people that have their 629 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.159 hearts in it and they're in put everything they have in this. You have 630 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:51.920 actual academics for the first time, archaeologists coming forth. They're like, we 631 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.719 need to look at this again. I don't know if we've been right about 632 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.199 this, sorry, but it's time we need to look at all of this 633 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.039 again. And then I think it's like that domino effect. You get a 634 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.559 couple academics, they start agreeing, and then all of it just flows the 635 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.920 other way. And I think we are right at that tipping point right now. 636 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.559 That was my next question is how do you hope to have the orthodoxy 637 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:16.639 buy into your your world. Let me tell you how we're gonna do it. 638 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:22.760 We have a whole plan the film. The film is gonna just be 639 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.880 this this obviously like kind of like the great It's like the dinner of the 640 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:29.880 day, the big big event, right, the big dinner, and where 641 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.119 the film is gonna be taking people in expeditions around the world and showing all 642 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.440 these things with expert it's gonna be incredible. But on the all the on 643 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.719 the other sides of that, there's still there's a breakfast, there's a lunch, 644 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.719 there's dessert. What I mean by that is we're gonna be going to 645 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.159 all these sites and we're gonna be doing surveys. We're gonna be doing all 646 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:52.119 this professional work that's not even part of the movie where it's like measuring everything, 647 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:58.719 looking at it from like the super nerdy scientific angle to your following protocol. 648 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.679 Right, We're gonna we're gonna hit this from every angle, films like 649 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.880 back behind the scenes, measurements and analysis and papers and books, and so 650 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.719 we're going to be tackling this from every side we can to try to bring 651 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.880 the world's attention to what looks like this great mystery that really whenever someone looks 652 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.280 at this, I've gotten very little pushback, and I think that's a good 653 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.039 thing. I would love if people would like to come back and challenge this. 654 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:28.880 But maybe it's one of those things, Cliff, where we've been searching 655 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.280 for some something. Collectively, a lot of us have been searching for something, 656 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:38.760 and it's coming together now to this point where it was. It was 657 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:45.800 an origin of knowledge that has been far more important and preserved in secret places 658 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.800 than we ever realize. Cliff, because the cross that is that Ionis and 659 00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.800 and a site one of the hardest stones on earth, the first cross that 660 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.519 was lowered there by Haldy. This anuna God that's literally identical to end Lil 661 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:02.039 and Zeus and Greece. You see this, He's passing the cross and these 662 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:07.559 doorways of knowledge on how to reach ascension and all these things. But that 663 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.599 cross, that specific cross, the exact one, for my honest, just 664 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.800 so happens to Cliff become the exact cross that the Knights Templar were protecting, 665 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.320 and also the cross that then became the Vatican. That the number they'll cross 666 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.679 on the Vatican. The Pope what his cloak that he wears that cross, 667 00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.239 and the British Royals have the same exact cross, from my honest, not 668 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.519 the Christian crucifix cross, but the Ionis cross. What it's telling us is 669 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.400 that there's an ancient, ancient story that's been protected here, that's been preserved 670 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.719 but has been not known about, and if anything, maybe it was lost 671 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.079 at one point and then over time, we're finding it, finding our way 672 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.679 back to it again. But I believe that the secrets that come out of 673 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:59.360 Ionis and the civilization I'm calling the Lost ra As civilization around that whole region 674 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.639 with Temple and Caavis and others, and the underwater stuff. The secrets that 675 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:09.000 come out of those incredible artifacts, reliefs, and these these symbols and the 676 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.920 ancient megalists and all the teachings that it embodies that then travel around the world 677 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:19.559 everywhere that becomes the core of nearly every law civilization. I truly believe that 678 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.039 when we unders when we finally uncover the mysteries of that. And I have 679 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.519 very interesting, very powerful people around the world that are interested in this and 680 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.960 are joining forces with me. But when we uncover the mysteries of this, 681 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.239 we will finally uncover the mysteries that has led us so far away from who 682 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.159 we truly are in our origins of the divinity of what mankind actually is. 683 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.599 Very cool. I was waiting for you to say, now, Elon Musk 684 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.280 just gave us half a billion, and we'll be Elon. But hey, 685 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.039 we're getting there. Let's let's put it that way. No, I'm serious 686 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.960 he's totally into this kind of stuff. He'd be a great sponsor. Yeah, 687 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.519 you know, before we before we transition into this new book. Uh, 688 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.079 do you have a place where people can send donations and reading. We're 689 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.960 bringing that up. I really appreciate that for anyone who wants to support the 690 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.679 film, because we're not trying to raise as much money as far the research 691 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:14.119 alone. It's right now, it's four countries. Now. I have not 692 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.599 mentioned one of those countries yet because I want to make sure we get that 693 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.400 secure at one hundred percent before I mention it. But one of them is 694 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:22.320 amazing. Like when I mentioned that people will go wild, so try to 695 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.559 think big. There somewhere that the outside world hasn't really seen. But when, 696 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.159 when When if people want to support this film, because honestly, we're 697 00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:34.960 trying to do this with whatever we can. We're trying to come from this 698 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.320 from every angle we can, including crowds funding, right, and so if 699 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.119 people want to be a part of this, there's incentives that you can go 700 00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.519 to the stage of Time dot com and go to the documentary page and once 701 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:51.280 you'll see if you scroll down with all the team members and the information and 702 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.920 the images of locations, you'll see a silver and a gold tier for people 703 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.239 that want to be part of this movement. It's not even the movie, 704 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.400 it's the movement. The film is part of a movement. And so if 705 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.320 you give one hundred dollars, you get to have your name on the website. 706 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.400 But if you give five hundred or more, you get to have your 707 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.360 name the credits of the film at the end. And that's and that's on 708 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.880 there right now. If you want to be a part of history. And 709 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.239 a lot of people are coming out of the woodwork people I never imagined. 710 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.559 It's almost turning into like a like like an Indiana Jones movie. It's very 711 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.079 cool. But I will say I really appreciate everyone that believes and supports in 712 00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:29.920 this and if you want to be a part of that film, it just 713 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.760 keeps getting bigger and better, and it gives us more to do more that 714 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.679 we can have to make this into the most grand and incredible experience possible. 715 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:43.159 Excellent. So the stage of time dot com and then there's what you scroll 716 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.519 down, there's a donation, Yeah, there's a there's links you can contribute 717 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:51.679 and plenty of places for that like check it out. It's really I really 718 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.360 feel an honor. You'll see all the names on there, so if anyone 719 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.840 hasn't actually gone to look, I'm very diligent about putting those in. And 720 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.880 you'll see a lot of people I believe in the and put and it put 721 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:06.079 their some of their money and time into this. Excellent, excellent, all 722 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.159 right. I want to transition into this new book, The Epic of Humanity. 723 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:14.159 You co wrote it with Billy Carson. Yeah, and a great cover, 724 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:15.960 by the way, Thank you, thank you, Billy Carson. And 725 00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:20.480 I I got to tell a little story, is that Billy came out to 726 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.519 visit me three and a half years ago, getting out four now out in 727 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.239 Maine where I nobody really knew me and I was starting out. I was 728 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.480 unknown and I didn't even have the I think I had just published The Stage 729 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.239 of Time or something like that before that, relatively recently, and Billy came 730 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:43.159 out and we were sitting on this beautiful ledge that sits over the ocean at 731 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.679 Portland Head Lighthouse. At anyone listening who's from Maine or in Hampshire, loveonill 732 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.840 that spot, beautiful spot. We're sitting there on the cliffs and I'm sitting 733 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.400 there with Billy, and we're we were there to do something for his network. 734 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.840 It wasn't even related to what I'm about to tell you at all. 735 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.599 We had no plan for that. Sitting there, We're having lunch, and 736 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.519 I'm like, Billy, we should write a book together. And I said, 737 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.480 we should write a book that's based on the epic of our entire story, 738 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.920 but lay it out with timelines, and would try to give evidence to 739 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.960 lay the whole thing, to create a complex timeline that helps the whole thing 740 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:20.840 unfold in a way where we can say, well, we're gonna place like 741 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.000 Shrupak. Here, what's the evidence that Shrupak actually existed at that time. 742 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:30.400 So the book is about our story and our struggles of almost being destroyed from 743 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:35.360 catastrophes and having the ancient stages then travel around the world and then create those 744 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:39.159 civilizations with that lost knowledge, which of course I feel like now derives back 745 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:44.000 to Lake Vond. But the book is a lot more than that, Cliff. 746 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.800 The idea was not just about telling our timeline and not just about telling 747 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.480 our story. It was something a lot greater in the purpose. And I 748 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.239 told Billy, I said, I said, you know, I put a 749 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.800 lot of ancient texts in my book The Stage of Time, my previous book, 750 01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.000 and as I'm talking, you'll have a segment that's got a a segment 751 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.519 of excerpt from that text, and it's very powerful, and I have it 752 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:07.119 so you can, like, if you want to look up, if you 753 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.599 want to look up the outrahasis, you can go find where that is and 754 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.679 all that right, And I realized that perhaps that's the most important thing that 755 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.320 we've lost, is that if you want to go read the greatest teachings and 756 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.679 the greatest writings that have been left behind by mankind, how are you going 757 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:28.280 to know where to look? How are you gonna know on this internet full 758 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.960 of all this stuff and all these misdirections, like how are you gonna know 759 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:35.320 what to read? How you going to know what's important? And not that 760 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.519 we are the ones that are supposed to determine that, but so many other 761 01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:45.239 people have already determined that long before me, on these amazing pieces of work 762 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:49.199 that are either the oldest things we have or are come from this time period, 763 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.280 that all can join together with these teachings and all these things, and 764 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.400 there's there's an enormous amount of them, whether it's Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian 765 01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:00.639 tablets or or Egyptian texts like the Book the Dead, and others like Pyramid 766 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:06.360 texts to Gnostics texts and even Greek texts like the Timaeis and Critias and so 767 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.239 on. We have many, many others. We have Vadic texts and all 768 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:14.280 those others. But you realize that perhaps that's the most important thing all along, 769 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:21.159 is preserving the most important ancient teachings of all mankind and put them in 770 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.760 one place. And that is what we did with the Ethic of Humanity. 771 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:28.639 And we're prideful to say, and it did exceed the stage of time a 772 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.719 little bit, but I we're prideful to say that this has the most amount 773 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:37.000 of the ancient texts excerpts of any book in the world. And it'll give 774 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:42.199 people the opportunity to that wide variety of different things to then come back and 775 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.760 be like, have this totality of knowledge and understanding that then doesn't just come 776 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:51.280 from our words and trusting our words, but reading the actual words of the 777 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.880 ancients themselves. Yeah, it's got a lot of a great material. You 778 01:02:53.880 --> 01:03:00.199 know, it's funny you just brought up Timeline and you feature a timeline of 779 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:06.239 your own creation that begins approximately two hundred thousand years ago. Yes, and 780 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:12.199 you get into the Anonachi and the fact that your belief is that we are 781 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:21.960 a hybrid civilization, we were actually planted here by a much earlier civilization, 782 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.920 and there's a lot of people that are beginning to talk about that but non 783 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.800 aliens. Though. I'm not a UFO alien guy, and I'm glad you 784 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.679 said that, because that's not I have a huge problem with the ancient alien. 785 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:37.360 I think they've destroyed the whole concept by basically anything that's not explainable was 786 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.559 ancient alien. I have a very different perspective around that, and I think 787 01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.920 that's one of the reasons actually that a lot of powerful people and people interested 788 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:51.920 in this in a tangible academic way have come around me in this because we're 789 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.920 looking at this in more of a way of I think we haven't understood our 790 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.360 reality in the right way. The ancients have told us, all along with 791 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.840 it's ay gnostics, that this is really an illusion and that there's so much 792 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:05.000 more around us, and that perhaps what we are missing is understanding the multi 793 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:11.119 dimensional side that exists with us and any beings that are related to us in 794 01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:15.079 a way that perhaps we haven't been looking closely enough about what are considered angels 795 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:19.760 and demons nearly enough right in the way of which that's been the influence all 796 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:26.079 along, and not this influence of a UFO with some green men coming down 797 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.000 to the landing and then creating us. Even though like that whole concept of 798 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.639 that whole concept doesn't make sense because when they show these ascended beings or these 799 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.760 beings that are related to us, they look exactly like us. Right, 800 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.480 So at one point we have to stop and be like, hmm, let's 801 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.159 look at this whole like gret alien narrative, and let's backtrack a little bit 802 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.239 and maybe look back at a different way to look at this. That's a 803 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:56.039 little bit more of really, If anything, Cliff, it only empowers us 804 01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.559 in our role in importance in the universe in a way that's makes you feel 805 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.840 a lot more a part of something rather than being like, well, someone 806 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.639 randomly came here and they just wanted to play around with DNA, and hey, 807 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.760 poof, we came out of nothing. We came out of some like 808 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:14.079 Neanderthals like apes, and that's it. It's so much more complex than that 809 01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:18.199 it's more of like a grand stage in the universe where we're playing out how 810 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:24.159 to exist in a physical body, but we are actually a multi dimensional consciousness 811 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.639 and these like ascended beings. But we get come back here and we're part 812 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.639 of this like grand stage of reality, like almost like a movie where we're 813 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.519 almost trying to find our way back. But it's part of this karmic system 814 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:40.000 where we have to live lifetimes of learning lessons and finding your way back to 815 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.440 where we began. It's actually quite beautiful, it really is. And I 816 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.840 think I think that if anything, we should be going outside and looking up 817 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:53.880 at the sun and just being like amazing that we have this existence. Thank 818 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.760 you, And that's really what it's about. The book has so many fun 819 01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:02.079 dimensions. I want you to talk little bit about the clay cuneiforms, which 820 01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:06.599 are featured in the very beginning. And one of the areas that just as 821 01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:11.880 a complete disconnect for me, and it seems to be for academia, is 822 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:16.800 these Sumerian kings lists. And we also see it in Egypt too, and 823 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:26.360 the academic world uses it to identify known pharaohs. Yes, and here it's 824 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.320 the same thing with the Sumerian we know about really identical. It's like, 825 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.159 yeah, they're almost the same thing. Which is very interesting too, the 826 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.599 rains the reins of these like bloodline royals. But I want you to talk 827 01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:41.079 a little bit about the fact that the Sumerians go back tens of thousands of 828 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.800 years, if not further it with some of these very very early kings, 829 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:50.159 and there's a disconnect with orthodoxy because it's like, well, wait a minute, 830 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:56.440 we can't have sophisticated cultures that go back ten fifteen to twenty one hundred 831 01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.199 and fifty two hundred thousand years. What's the deal with that. I mean, 832 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:02.039 well, I accept it, but they don't. Well, the first 833 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:06.320 thing is having an anthropologist. Now we have to remember, let's look at 834 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:13.519 other anthropologists like Lloyd Pie They very distinctly found that the human brain doubled in 835 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.639 size two hundred thousand years ago. I'm not creating a two thousand year timeline 836 01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.519 just because of the Sumerian king list. There's a lot of other factors in 837 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:25.559 place to create that timeline that is woven into that. The Sumerian king list 838 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.960 is just one of them, and that simply is the dynasties of the original 839 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:34.400 Sumerians those they're separated by a catastrophe that a new line of kings has to 840 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:39.559 take over the new world. It's very distinctly shown in the Legend of Atana. 841 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:43.519 If anybody would like to read the Legend of Atana, I wish I 842 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:45.119 had that on the read right now. I don't, but it's basically like 843 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.599 it goes into saying, well, there was a disaster on the earth. 844 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:53.719 Everything was destroyed, and then there was a new king that was chosen to 845 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:58.039 be the architect of the new world. It literally says that an architect of 846 01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:00.199 the new world. His name was Aa, so it's called the Legend of 847 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.559 Atana, and he became the first king of Kish. Year was that Well, 848 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:08.079 that's the thing that we're trying to figure out is we have no idea 849 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:12.840 because we're told that that time period of Kish came from like four thousand years 850 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:16.920 ago in that Mesopotamian era but with the Syrian time. But what we're finding 851 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:18.680 is that no, no, no, no, no, hold on, 852 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:24.520 guys, let's look at Charupak. We found three distinct layers of civilizations there, 853 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:27.880 not one, meaning that if you were to look at a region like 854 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.640 Iraq, the Sumerians was like an ancient ancient legacy that had nothing to do 855 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:36.640 with the same language all of the Assyrians or Babylonians or Chaldaeans. Just because 856 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:41.600 they write in qneiform wedges does not mean it's the same language. I think 857 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:43.960 that. I don't think a lot of people know that. No, it's 858 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:48.279 important to understand because the Sumerians were like this mysterious ancient language. And I 859 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.880 want to use the paraphrase what Jen said. She said, you don't get 860 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:57.000 a fully cooked culture like the Sumerians out of nowhere. She said that, 861 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.960 and she's one hundred percent right. There's this like mysterio vious origins of the 862 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:04.760 Sumerians that they don't even state that they invented everything, because they literally invented 863 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:09.760 everything, and I mean like everything came from there. They invented writing, 864 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:15.079 the first writing, the first currency, agriculture, that building blocks of civilization, 865 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.880 laws and rules, metallurgy, astronomy, mathematics. You literally could go 866 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.520 on and on and on. It's almost like if you were to create a 867 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:27.159 civilization, you're like an angelic group of beings. You're like, Okay, 868 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.079 let's create a civilization here. What is necessary to do so well, we 869 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.760 will lower the divine laws and rules, and they actually had a name for 870 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.920 it. I haven't talked about this nearly enough, Cliff, and I'm glad 871 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.159 you brought this up. They call those set of rules that they lower like 872 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:45.880 the code of Hammurabi, where there's like moral laws and rules and how to 873 01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:50.960 govern a society, the things needed to create a civilization. They called them 874 01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:59.920 the mes m apostrophe s, the royal mes. They did and they discussed 875 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:06.600 how the mes, these these tablets would like the commandments like Moses. These 876 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:12.600 commandments would be on these tablets, and they would reside in a certain city. 877 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.039 Okay, they would reside in a certain city, and when they were 878 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.720 there in the royal library, these these like royal mes from the gods, 879 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:24.199 that city would be chosen to be the dominant city of the gods. And 880 01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:28.840 it was Aridu for a long time, and eventually it moved over to uruk 881 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.840 Er and then eventually Shrupak and others. It moved and at one point it 882 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:40.039 talks about how Anana stole the meat from Aridu. Okay, it's wild. 883 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:44.199 Okay, you can go read what's called inky in the world order. You 884 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.079 find out that Anana was in charge of other civilizations in other parts of the 885 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:53.760 world, like maybe Iran, in parts of maybe Turkey and other areas. 886 01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:59.039 But it's described how she stole it. She stole the me tablets and then 887 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.560 brought it to their patron city and they almost got in like a war over 888 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:04.680 it. It's really really fascinating. But the point I'm trying to make we 889 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.159 got down that long road is this was decided long ago. It was like 890 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:14.199 a blueprint for civilizations to then create them. But then the Sumerians were destroyed 891 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.840 by that catastrophe that flood, the First Deluge, and that's where the whole 892 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:24.239 Noah story with these bloodlined sons of like Vaughan comes from, because they were 893 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:28.479 then tasked with creating the new world. And but they but they had a 894 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.239 lot of tools that the Sumerians didn't have. They had the megalithic building style, 895 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:38.399 they had these teachings of ascension that were lowered at Ionis and others that 896 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.760 then passed around. And so what I see it as the story that makes 897 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:48.119 the most sense is that imagine three sons governed by divine gods. Anana became 898 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:53.399 Athena to the Greeks. She's right there. Imagine Enlil right there, who 899 01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.600 became Halty is right there, and Ki's right there, and they're like these 900 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:00.319 like the they're like they're basically the eloheme of this count, deciding our fates. 901 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.399 And they say, Japath, Shem and Ham, you shall therefore go 902 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:11.840 about each part of the earth and create the new Golden Age. And Japith 903 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:15.319 is shown just in Christian. It's just like Christian Hebrew bloodlines. He's taking 904 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:19.199 over Europe. He's supposed to have Europe in Greece. And then you see 905 01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:24.439 Shem is supposed to be in charge of Egypt, the Great Pyramids of Egypt, 906 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:30.560 which is exactly who John Taylor thinks in the eighteen hundreds built the Great 907 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.399 Pyramids of Egypt. The sons of Noah Shem. Really that is where these 908 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.079 This has led me down that rabbit hole. That has blown my mind because 909 01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:43.760 I didn't have any evidence to support that until I found Cavistepi and these other 910 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:48.600 sites. But it was absolutely fascinating because I realized so then Cham the other 911 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:56.199 son was tasked with going through Iran in India Southeast Asia, and you're like, 912 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.920 whoa, so wait a minute, So this is supposed to go to 913 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.840 Europe with the ancient Greeks, and you find through to Timaeus and Critius that 914 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:09.600 during Atlantis there was a pro to Athenian civilization that rivaled Atlantis, one of 915 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:15.600 the greatest civilizations in Earth's history, that came out of Japithan Lake Vaughan in 916 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.680 Greece and to this day in Athens. If you go to Athens, Greece, 917 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.199 I would really like to add this to the film if we could, 918 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:25.399 is a possibility we might be able to. Let's see, okay, and 919 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.720 maybe or maybe just another trip. But if you go to Athens today to 920 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:34.560 prove this theory, there is a wall called the Picks Wall that is gigantic 921 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:40.119 megalithic wall, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful that it has the same indentations of 922 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:45.520 three levels on the stones as this teaching that comes from Lake Vaughan as well. 923 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.439 And I want to pull this up. I want to say very very 924 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:55.279 much thank you to the comment that someone left on my channel, because I'm 925 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:59.239 discovering things all the time, I'm learning things all the time. We don't 926 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.359 none of us all know everything. So this was pointed out to me that 927 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:08.640 in Greece there is the Greek equivalent of Noah is known as Dusa Lyon Italy 928 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.880 is the Greek equivalent of Noah in Greece, showing that the whole story connected 929 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:17.279 all through. And that's really where this has become wild, because you're you're 930 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:21.079 imagining, like, wait a minute, so Twinaku and pom pom Pu and 931 01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:28.520 Bolivia the same symbols, same stonework, same cross. We're gonna take a 932 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:32.199 short commercial break and we will return with my guest today, Matt Lacroix, 933 01:14:32.880 --> 01:15:14.640 discussing his latest book, The Epic of Humanity. I guess today Matt Lacroix 934 01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:18.600 is coming to us from Colorado within the United States, and we're discussing his 935 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:27.479 latest book, The Epic of Humanity and his research in Turkey. That's what 936 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.800 I wanted to talk to you about because you actually show in this book Epic 937 01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:42.000 of Humanity similar design features in Pumapuku and early Turkey and also perhaps construction. 938 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:46.039 Yeah, engineering that's very similar. It's literally it's not even similar. Clip 939 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:51.199 it's actually weird because let's take for a minute Leg Vaughan in eastern Turkey. 940 01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:56.800 It's the largest Turkey lake in Turkey. It's over one thousand feet deep. 941 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.319 It's actually over fifteen hundred feet deep, incredibly deep. It's one of the 942 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:04.079 deepest lakes on Earth. And remember Easter Island, the Moai. There's this 943 01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:11.159 obsession with a navel. Remember a navel into the earth. Okay. Meanwhile, 944 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.600 they're really bizarre thing because these are sun temples. By the way, 945 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.079 if anyone wants to know their solar sun temples, I honest is a sun 946 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:20.800 temple. Meanwhile, across the world, in South America, you have another 947 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:26.199 giant lake, high elevation lake that's over a thousand feet deep called Lake Kitty 948 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:31.680 Kaka. And both of those lakes are surrounded by volcanoes, like massive volcanoes, 949 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.079 and they all have basalt and andesite. In fact, the word andesite 950 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:40.000 comes from the word andes from South America. But they were building an aside 951 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:45.680 in Lake Vaughan. So it seems to me, Cliff, that the builders 952 01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:51.479 of Lake Vaughan packed up graveled across the entire world to Lake Titi Kaka somehow 953 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:58.000 knowing everything about it, and then created almost a mirror of the exact same 954 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.520 civilization there that you're The khana symbol is from the step pyramid symbol from the 955 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:08.279 box relief of kef the the cross symbol is at is at Pumampunku, the 956 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:13.359 exact same cross, the same the same T shaped pillar that I'm calling the 957 01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:17.199 ascension pillar that became the Gobekley pillar and Minorca pillar in Spain as well as 958 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:23.319 this this pillar we see in Puma Punku, but it's got other more jagged 959 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:27.600 edges to it. They added extra edges. I think it's a completion thing. 960 01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.880 But then there's it's like goes on and on and on. It's like 961 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.920 they mimicked it, and then they created these civilizations to mimic around the world 962 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:40.479 and then taught all these things and then catastrophes came through and like wiped them 963 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.359 all out. Everything. He wiped them out. Like that's why Machu Pichu 964 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:49.520 I believe was originally built by the same group from Lake Vaughan, because if 965 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:55.600 you look at the descriptions of Haldy how he's shown in his descriptions, it's 966 01:17:55.680 --> 01:18:00.560 identical to Ua Kosha, identical and it's not the same being as Kukocon and 967 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.840 Ketzaquata either, because they're feathered serpent beings that are about knowledge. I think 968 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:11.319 that's more like inky Thoth Viri Kosha seems to be like basically a direct mirror 969 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:16.920 of Haldy from Vaughan with these like lightning bolts and controlling being like a powerful, 970 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:20.960 powerful god that is also does end up passing a ton of wisdom and 971 01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:24.399 knowledge. We have to look at this whole thing in a different light, 972 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.119 I think, going forward and understanding cycles and energy and things. But the 973 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.760 point I'm trying to make just before you jump in, is just to say, 974 01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.560 like, this linkage is around the world, and it's profound. It's 975 01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:39.039 profound, and that's why so many people are coming together to uncover this mystery. 976 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:43.680 Because it goes from Turkey to Saudi Arabia to India, to Egypt, 977 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.720 to South America to ball back Lebanon, to Greece, to Peru to Mexico. 978 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:53.319 It goes everywhere. Yeah, I think people are intuitively curious and they 979 01:18:54.319 --> 01:19:00.319 are weeding about our history and going this, something's missing here, There's there's 980 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.640 missing links that we need to discuss. I want you to talk a little 981 01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:09.359 bit about what you call the myth of Adappa. Sure, And the reason 982 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:15.600 I like this is because I am fascinated about the creation of homo sapien sapien 983 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:19.600 the various levels. And when you talk about Noah, we read about their 984 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:26.079 very amazing longevity three four, five, six, eight hundred years of age 985 01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:35.000 or more sometimes, and these are unique beings that must have had a physiology 986 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:40.840 that was very hearty to last that long. So talk about that. I 987 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:45.600 think it's the idea of kind of merging these higher beings of us like like 988 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:49.079 us, but with a mortal being, and then you get kind of a 989 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:54.960 mix in between of a long longevity. But eventually, as that bloodline becomes 990 01:19:55.039 --> 01:20:00.439 more diffused over time, our ages either either either somehow through manipulation. Because 991 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:01.720 it is weird, all of a sudden, we became kind of capped off 992 01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.319 at one hundred and twenty. That is weird. I will say, there's 993 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:09.439 something odd there that needs to be looked at. But it's it's great that 994 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.479 you brought that up because it's important that you look at Let's look at the 995 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.840 Samarian king list, right. They say, this is what they say, 996 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.880 academics, Well, you're wrong about the age because you're you're wrong about the 997 01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:25.279 number of what is considered the age of a shar shaar. A shar is 998 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:29.199 how they measure time in Sumer. They considered it in shar, so they 999 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:33.039 would be like, well, King Ubaratutu live for this many shars, and 1000 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:39.159 then so academics are like, you guys, got that wrong. It's must 1001 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:43.239 be like months, not years. It's impossible. There's a problem with that 1002 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.680 though. There's another whole set of tablets called the Iraq List of Kings and 1003 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:51.039 stages that came from a whole nother city called Iraq that has the same the 1004 01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:58.319 same kings, same thing mimicked from another time period another one. Then they 1005 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.880 might not also know that there's another whole set of them as well from that 1006 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:08.600 region called the Borocious King List. Borocious was the high priest of Marduk in 1007 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:14.159 Babylon, not the New Babylon, the old Babylon. Babylon has an ancient 1008 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.600 history too that's older than people think. Babylon was actually conquered and rebuilt in 1009 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:24.039 a later time period as well. In the original Babylon, there were these 1010 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:29.880 ancient lineages just like Sumer of these kings that really did rule that long. 1011 01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:33.560 And the evidence for that is just gore Genesis. It shows right in there, 1012 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:38.960 Noah in there that was seven hundred years old. It's like we ignore 1013 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.319 the Christian side too in the Hebrew side that literally mimic it. But okay, 1014 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:45.399 like fine, you don't believe that. Let's add another whole one. 1015 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:51.039 Let's add the Egyptian Turin King list from Egypt. Yes, okay, literally 1016 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:57.479 identical. It shows these dynasties of pharaohs over time, and it shows Cufu's 1017 01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:00.880 group down the dynastic pharaohs. Later they're like a whole nother page. They're 1018 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:04.880 like way down the list, right, but at the top is this like 1019 01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:13.359 original group like raw and all these others that are from completely different agents. 1020 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:17.840 I mean, isn't Osyrus on that list and all these which they turned into 1021 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:21.880 gods because they're so far back in antiquity. Well, I think it's I 1022 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.600 think that the royal lineage of who was ruling was directly connected to them, 1023 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.720 like there is a direct relation to that. But the Turing king list or 1024 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:39.439 also knows the Egyptian king list mimics the same thing, mimics consumer mimics all 1025 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:44.640 these texts with Well, it shows these enormous lineages of these ancient ancient Egyptian 1026 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.439 rulers, and then the number gets less and less and lower in age till 1027 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:53.760 it gets to the same ages that we are, and you're like, hmm, 1028 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:56.840 it's kind of weird, right, how is that mimicking all around the 1029 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.319 world? But yet, what does that mean? Well, it means means 1030 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:05.159 that if that's true and the brain size jumped doubled in size two hundred thousand 1031 01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:10.159 years ago, and something happened with Homo sapient sapians, then and you add 1032 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.920 up the entire Sumerian king list for rackalistic kings of sages, or the ferocious 1033 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.319 king list or the Turing king list, and guess what you get? Two 1034 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:24.279 hundred wisdom change two hundred thousand years ago. I know it's so you gotta 1035 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.079 look at that. You can't ignore it. And that's why I put Sharu 1036 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.279 Pak and error do in that timeline way up at the front. And then 1037 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:32.079 if I was gonna add something to that which I need to now, I 1038 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:38.800 would put Lake Vaughan and the error at Civilization. Probably would have to put 1039 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.119 it something like I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but I probably would 1040 01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.720 have to put it at something like fifty thousand years ago. See, I'm 1041 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:50.520 looking at the university professor listening to you is going like it doesn't make any 1042 01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:55.399 other sense. It didn't any other sense, like platistically wise, because for 1043 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.439 instance, Edgar Casey, who I think was the only true channeler in the 1044 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:01.119 world that I actually, like, really really respect in the way that he 1045 01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:05.359 did. He gave this age of fifty thousand years for Atlantis being created. 1046 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:12.880 And also the Cuban geologist it Are All Day in Cuba, who is investigating 1047 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.920 these underwater ruins off of Cuba that I did a whole episode with for Guy 1048 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:23.039 Ancient Civilizations season five, he speculated that tectonic changes that could have led to 1049 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:26.720 that being subducted would have had to have been fifty thousand years ago or so. 1050 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.359 It's really interesting that these numbers keep coming up and correlating, because that's 1051 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.600 why I said, I honest is at least twenty thousand years old, because 1052 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:39.239 I think that that Lost Civilization chapter we're talking about, it ended at the 1053 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:44.119 younger Dryas, didn't start there, ended there. That's when everything was destroyed 1054 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.199 and repped. And so what I mean by that is like, well, 1055 01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:53.000 okay, so remember the date that Plato is given by Solon for when Atlantis 1056 01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:57.800 is destroyed is exactly the same date eleven six hundred years ago or eight in 1057 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:02.640 that timeframe for when the Younger Rias shows this pulse water of massive events around 1058 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:08.800 the Earth that flooded and subducted plates. It literally matches exactly. It means 1059 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:12.560 that we can create a timeline. It means that lost civilizations all around the 1060 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.920 Earth were systematically destroyed during the Younger Dryas. Okay, so that means that 1061 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:21.359 they were destroyed at we'll call it twelve thousand years ago, but that means 1062 01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:27.079 that the whole lineage of when all of them existed was before that. That's 1063 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.359 why I give this idea that, yeah, I think that was like this 1064 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:36.439 fifty to potentially one hundred thousand year period of time that we created the most 1065 01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:43.079 magnificent structures on Earth and literally created a bond with Heaven on Earth with the 1066 01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:46.840 stars, and then forgot everything and forgot who we are. Yeah. I 1067 01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:53.680 have the same feeling that you do, that that there's the ancient civilizations not 1068 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:57.720 only in Turkey, Egypt, but in the Americas and China and so forth. 1069 01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:02.560 Ye China Golden Age, and and there was something that wiped them out. 1070 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.960 The big issue with Orthodoxy is that where's the evidence. I mean, 1071 01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:11.239 there's a famous story of Mark Lair and are talking to Robert Shaka, like 1072 01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:15.079 show me the potshards from I can give you the evidence, but I've already 1073 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:17.960 come up with it. My feeling is that these buildings were there, they 1074 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:23.560 were reused by the pharaohs and they put their cartoon sh on it. We 1075 01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:29.039 now know that Ramsey's the second was a example, yes, great example of 1076 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:34.439 pyramids and making them his These guys had egos that were off the charts. 1077 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:43.479 But make a few comments about that in terms of the antiquity and how we 1078 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:47.439 identify these earlier places and how that fits into this book Epic of Humanity. 1079 01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:57.520 Well, we have evidence to We're having emerging edit evidence coming forward that is 1080 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:01.600 supporting all of this in a way where let me provide that evidence. The 1081 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.439 first is that when we study some of these structures in places around the world 1082 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:10.119 that are showing that Telfale sign of not being from the culture that we're told 1083 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:15.239 highly advanced, highly sophisticated, same types of things we see, we can 1084 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:17.039 we can label them all and it's kind of map them out and I did. 1085 01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:19.479 I've done shows with Brian Forrester if you want to check it out, 1086 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:24.640 where we literally discussed every single megalithic civilization around the world and try to like 1087 01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:30.119 categorize them all and catalog them all. Okay, that endeavor is something that 1088 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:34.399 we need to go forward and take because it's becoming more apparent that that's not 1089 01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.680 that hard to identify. To be honest, if you know what you're looking 1090 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:41.479 for, it's pretty obvious to see the difference. But having said that, 1091 01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:44.199 still, like, what's the evidence, Well, I want to give a 1092 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:47.079 big piece of evidence or two big piece two big pieces of evidence. One 1093 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:54.000 I'll say three. First, one is the stone that the hardness of the 1094 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.399 stone, with the sophistication of what they've built and the and the tool marks 1095 01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.760 left behind show us that it wasn't bronze a tool and there was some kind 1096 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.520 of tools they use to build them that we have no idea what it is. 1097 01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:06.760 That is like a foundation right now that we don't know what could have 1098 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:11.000 made these scoop marks in Asthwan, We don't know what did that. We 1099 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:15.079 don't know what made these saw marks in Abusir in Egypt, or these drill 1100 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:20.760 holes in Peru and Bolivia that are perfect, literally perfect. We don't know. 1101 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.479 If anybody wants to nerd out on one of those types of things, 1102 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:29.000 go look at the altar at ianis that stone altar? Look right in the 1103 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:33.000 bottom of the altar. Somehow they drilled these tiny holes to create like a 1104 01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:36.880 flower of life or sun symbol and the bottom. How could they have done 1105 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:42.640 that? It's literally mind blowing to think that. But there's that, And 1106 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:46.720 then we add on to that, these sites that we've now identified have extreme 1107 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:51.840 vitrification and damage on them, spots where the rockets melted in a way where 1108 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:58.239 it's non normal erosion. These indications that some extreme event heat event, all 1109 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.439 water event like the sphinxing closure. That's what blew off of this whole thing 1110 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.239 with Robert Bovall met up with a rubber shock and they said, that's not 1111 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:10.159 wind erosion on the sphinx enclosure, proving that had been water. But it's 1112 01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:13.520 a desert. So when did it rain enough or flood enough to create that. 1113 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:15.399 That's the kind of consensus we're getting at. But I want to add 1114 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:18.159 the big one at the end that I don't feel like it's talked about nearly 1115 01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:20.920 enough. Cliff. I guess it's the sort of part of my brand to 1116 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:28.439 talk about this, But when I've studied the most incredible megalithic aspects of these 1117 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.119 civilizations. The most grand work they ever took on. Right, go from 1118 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:38.319 Easter Island with the moai. Largest moai they ever created, never made it 1119 01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:41.239 out of the host rock, didn't have any cracks in it or anything. 1120 01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:45.880 So let's just separate that silly argument for a second. It never made it 1121 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:48.680 out of the host rock. But not only is it the biggest, it 1122 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:55.520 was three times larger than any existing moai on the island. Stay with me 1123 01:29:55.640 --> 01:30:00.920 here, unfinished left abandoned the quarry with several others as well, same like 1124 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.119 they were about to take on something. This is the picture of the one 1125 01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:08.239 that's massive that's still not completely cut out of the quarry, like laying down. 1126 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:13.239 Yeah they yeah, yeah. Now let's go to other places. Let's 1127 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:17.119 go to say ballbeck Lebanon. Right, largest stones they ever created, over 1128 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.199 twelve hundred, thirteen hundred and fourteen hundred tons, never made it out of 1129 01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:25.520 the quarry. They were being shaped and fitted and moved and they're literally still 1130 01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:28.960 sticking out of the ground like they're half out. And you're like, there's 1131 01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:33.359 another example. Let's go to Egypt. Got as one egypt largest obelisk ever 1132 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:39.279 created by far by far was was being moved out of the rocks seven hundred 1133 01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:42.880 tons, and they were about to move it, and then they abandoned it. 1134 01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:45.039 And then and then archaeologists was like, no, no, no, 1135 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.359 look there's a huge crack through the middle of it. That's why they abandoned 1136 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:53.399 it. Or the fact that it's been fifty thousand years or whatever it was 1137 01:30:53.479 --> 01:30:58.960 since it was carved and earthquakes and events cracked it. So now add that 1138 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:01.640 one I mean to be honest is zeb Tepi is thirty eight thousand years ago, 1139 01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.000 So that if you want to be honest, that's when I think Egypt 1140 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:08.000 was first built. If we want to give dates, is that there's a 1141 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:12.920 thing, there's a there's a place called Aindaro ain Dhara in Syria that gives 1142 01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.640 these ancient datings that kind of match with when we look at ancient Egypt with 1143 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.840 Zebtepi on the wall for this thirty eight thousand year period. But anyway, 1144 01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:25.079 the point is, let's continue and let's go all the way around to China. 1145 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.039 Now, let's go to the Yangshen Quarry in China, which what is 1146 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:34.479 the single by far largest megalithic stone that was ever being moved everywhere in the 1147 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:36.920 world. And I don't even mean by a little, by a lot. 1148 01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:41.439 The stone of the ancient quarry that was being moved, which we know is 1149 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.159 non natural, has all the groove marks where they're cutting it. And then 1150 01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:48.000 there's other ones that are already fitted in place called stelez that that section, 1151 01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:55.800 that area, that stone, that giant yancient story, yancient quarry stone. 1152 01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.800 You see all the areas were about to be moved, all of them. 1153 01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.319 It's like very we could see it very clearly. They basically take these grooves 1154 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:03.960 out underneath and they carve it out and they somehow like lift it out of 1155 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:09.399 the host stone. However they did that, we've don't know. But in 1156 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:15.520 all those examples of like the most supreme projects that these civilizations that all be 1157 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.720 taken on, and I would argue perhaps it was all happening at the exact 1158 01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:25.600 same time right around the world. Is that when you see all these projects 1159 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:29.000 that are of the most monumental scale possible, it means a couple of things. 1160 01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:32.560 One, it means that that civilization reached the height of its entire level 1161 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:38.319 of sophistication. First thing, not not like weakening and disappearing. Two, 1162 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:45.560 it means that the work that the work to stop happened suddenly and unexpected, 1163 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:50.319 right. And three, it means that because they can never come back to 1164 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:54.960 it, it means that they all died or like all were wiped out. 1165 01:32:55.840 --> 01:33:00.399 Those are the three ways to prove that theory of saying no, they had 1166 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:03.640 actually reached the height of the Golden Age. And then the younger dryest events 1167 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:08.399 were so extreme over a fifteen hundred year period, especially in the front in 1168 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:12.279 the back end, which doesn't even include the older dryest That is a whole 1169 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.720 other thing too, is another part of it too. But just imagine events 1170 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:23.479 with tsunamis and massive volcanism and maybe cosmic impacts, but potentially a whole host 1171 01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:28.199 of things happening and literally causing that entire legacy of that group to be wiped 1172 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.720 out. To all that was left, Cliff, were a few survivors in 1173 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:38.319 sages and teachers from those civilizations that found all the indigenous groups around the world 1174 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:42.079 that already knew how to survive because they lived in the indigenous like in basically 1175 01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.760 within nature, that then they had to teach them or they would discover the 1176 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.920 remains, but had no idea how replicate it. Yeah, that's how I 1177 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:56.199 see our history and our story. Yeah. I love that. Matt Lacroix, 1178 01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.079 we could speak for hours. We're really down to our final point here, 1179 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:05.600 this new book, the Epic of Humanity. What do you want people 1180 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:13.039 to get from the book and what's the what's the message? Because it's one 1181 01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:15.520 of many of your books, of course, this is co written with Billy. 1182 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.520 It feels to me that it is funny because we're talking about this research 1183 01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:26.600 project in Turkey. It fits nicely with that. It does, it actually 1184 01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:30.560 doesn't, and you may not have intended that at all. My timeline doesn't 1185 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.560 even need to change. I just need to add like they're as civilization into 1186 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:40.880 it. I don't even need to anyway. The core is this humanity has 1187 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:45.119 been governed for far too long to make us think that we're nothing and insignificant 1188 01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:48.000 in the universe. Whether or not it's through Darwinianism or just through any kind 1189 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:53.840 of an academic mind or through the industrial age, various different reasons have come 1190 01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:58.479 into place that have very much engineered our mindsets to think that we're nothing and 1191 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.000 they were part of an empty universe, and we're random, and that what 1192 01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:05.000 happens to us doesn't really matter, and that couldn't be further from the truth. 1193 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.159 And really what the message in this book is the epic of humanity, 1194 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:15.000 is for us to truly understand how epic our story is and who we truly 1195 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:19.680 are, the struggles and strives that we've come through, these incredible epics that 1196 01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:26.880 that great descended masters have that barely survived and like taught other civilizations to carry 1197 01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:31.199 on. That story and message is so moving. It describes in the Entra 1198 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:36.279 Haste as how when that first catastrophe is created to destroy the old world, 1199 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:45.560 that the gods weeped at seeing humanity like destroyed, like they felt, they 1200 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.600 felt like they'd made the biggest mistake they'd ever made. And it was this 1201 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:53.760 moment where in time where we realized that we're obviously part of something great. 1202 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:58.800 We're obviously part of something that's far more important than just the randomness of thinking 1203 01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:02.000 that we're not, that we're not a greater purpose than just the earth in 1204 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:05.560 the universe. And I would like to leave people during this time of challenges 1205 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:12.319 and time of transition into great ages, to remember to have that peace of 1206 01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.600 mind, to sit out in nature and stare up and realize that You're part 1207 01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:17.840 of the greatest story ever told, and you can be a hero in that 1208 01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:23.000 story whenever you want to be. But in the end, you're playing a 1209 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:27.439 pivotal role no matter what in the progression of how that all unfolds. And 1210 01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:30.279 I feel greatly honored to be a part of the role that I'm playing to 1211 01:36:30.479 --> 01:36:35.159 help tell this story in the way that it was intended all along. M 1212 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:39.399 I love that. Man. That's a great way to end our time together. 1213 01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:45.439 Give people contact information. You gave us the Stage of Time for this 1214 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:48.119 documentary you're working on, but how can people learn more about you? Give 1215 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:53.239 us your contact info? Check out my YouTube page at of course, Matthew 1216 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.159 Lacroix, and the YouTube page the Stage of Time dot com. And we 1217 01:36:56.199 --> 01:37:00.439 will have an entirely new, massive social media campaign and branding run Ey Honest 1218 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:04.279 Legacy. So who was listening to this, Get ready for new YouTube channel, 1219 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:08.479 all new content for that. We're going to be creating this whole all 1220 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:12.520 these discoveries and bring them all into another whole platform in addition to that the 1221 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:15.800 ones that already exists. So get ready for just unbelievably exciting things. In 1222 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:23.319 twenty twenty four, two Trips to Turkey, that other mystery country, Peru, 1223 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:26.800 Bolivia, Egypt. I mean this, it's gonna be amazing. So 1224 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:31.079 buckle up because this epic journey of doing all these incredible things and changing history 1225 01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:35.239 has truly just begun. Fantastic man, it's exciting to listen to you. 1226 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:43.760 I love it when you are expressive, and this is all heartfelt material. 1227 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:47.880 So congratulations and thank you. Thank you keeping up. Let us know and 1228 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:53.920 we'll get you back on the program once you begin to expose some of these 1229 01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:59.079 findings to a larger audience. Thank you, Cliff. It's always a pleasure, 1230 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:01.479 my friend. Let's let's connect again after I come back from Turkey. 1231 01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:09.399 Okay, definitely, thanks again, Matt, see you. Just before we 1232 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:15.359 started, Matt was telling me that he will be posting the results of a 1233 01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:20.840 lot of their research and data analysis not only to his Facebook page, but 1234 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:27.800 also to his website. And it gives me a great opportunity to have Gin 1235 01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:33.800 on his team because Jen and I communicate very closely on what she's considering good 1236 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:40.640 stuff. And you know, it's funny. She as a trained archaeologist. 1237 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:45.039 She goes by the book in terms of analysis, so that means you have 1238 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:51.279 to get into very expensive research or labs, data labs where samples are taken 1239 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:58.199 and they are you know, you're working with what they call clean rooms where 1240 01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:03.119 everything is sterle because you don't want to contaminate a sample, otherwise you won't 1241 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:10.119 get an accurate date. And so I honestly don't know to what degree this 1242 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:14.359 research is going to be done. When we talk about research, we can 1243 01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:17.720 also look to other parts of the world. You might remember our good friend 1244 01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:25.039 Marco Vigato. He works with INA, which is the Archaeological Community of Mexico, 1245 01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:30.239 and when he's doing his research on let's say, well Haaka Meetla, 1246 01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:43.840 that underground cavern and temple is being surveyed and scanned and they're using ground penetry 1247 01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:48.880 radar with the blessings and the cooperation of ENA. And this is really critical 1248 01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:58.399 because when you incorporate a local research organization that is validated through the country, 1249 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:03.880 then you you can begin publishing your data with their blessing. And this is 1250 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:14.079 where Jen really shines the brightest because she is a research archaeologist who has done 1251 01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:17.520 field work for ages and has spent a great deal of time in the Middle 1252 01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:23.720 East, and so it's going to be fun asking her and discovering what really 1253 01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:30.399 is the insight in the background and the revelations before it's published. And so 1254 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:36.439 stay tuned for more information on Turkey because I think that we're going to get 1255 01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:45.039 some really really fun data on what is looking more and more like a very 1256 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:54.239 very early civilization that goes back perhaps tens of thousands of years before the Sumerian. 1257 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:58.760 So we'll have to see I mean, I have I mean I don't 1258 01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.479 want to get into the whole and Anaki thing because that is where we spin 1259 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:05.840 off into another realm. But you know, when we have valid data, 1260 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:15.000 we have evidence in temples, in buildings, in artifacts, then we can 1261 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.880 say, okay, this is crystal clear and we have the evidence that we 1262 01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:26.800 need, so I can I expect to hear back from Matt and Jin and 1263 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.199 other members of their team on this research. So I hope you enjoyed that. 1264 01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:39.359 That's exciting. That's exciting news, and I am always open to receiving 1265 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:45.159 data from good research. So fun. Hey, if you are a fan 1266 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:49.079 of Earth ancients, perhaps you might consider a vacation with us. We got 1267 01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:55.039 three tours coming up this year. We have Egypt April twenty eight through May 1268 01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:59.760 ninth. We have Turkey, first time in Turkey August fourteenth through the twenty 1269 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:04.600 four and then we just announced we just posted Mexico. This is going to 1270 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:12.880 be the Grand Yukatan Tour of all the pyramidal buildings and temples in Ukatan, 1271 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:17.760 Mexico, November seventh through the eighteenth, and that is love. I haven't 1272 01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:23.640 been the Yukatan now in probably I want to say four years, it might 1273 01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:30.840 be actually five. But Yukatan is a wonderful place to see ruins, to 1274 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:35.600 climb pyramids. It's really an adult playland. And we're gonna be connecting with 1275 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:41.800 my old friend Mimo Gonzalez. I reference him to anybody who wants to see 1276 01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:45.880 Chichinitza because he works there. But I just heard that they have unveiled a 1277 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:51.439 new portion of Ushmol, which is where the Pyramid of the Magician is and 1278 01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:59.680 Ushmol is magical, magical. So if you're interested in any of these sites, 1279 01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:05.119 go to Earthancients dot com, click on the tour button and you'll see 1280 01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:11.600 the itineraries for all three of those places. Now, this is probably the 1281 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.760 last year we're gonna be able to hold our price down for Egypt, and 1282 01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:20.640 Egypt is magical. We not only go and see the major pyramids and the 1283 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:28.600 Giza Plateau, we go to the Red and the Bent Pyramid privately without any 1284 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:33.560 of the general public. And I've added a couple of new sites where we 1285 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:43.239 get to see these monoliths, these monstrosities, fifty to seventy ton statues that 1286 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:47.399 are not only beautifully carved, but it's really a question as to what the 1287 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:54.720 tool to carve them from, granted was, we don't know because there's no 1288 01:43:54.960 --> 01:44:00.680 tooling marks. And there's greater speculation now about these because the Egyptians are allowing 1289 01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:11.760 outside scientific study and I'm waiting for some Germans research to come back that really 1290 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:19.520 is shedding light into laser technology or some form of heat that can burn stone 1291 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:26.119 as being the tools for carving these megalithic stones. Come out and join me. 1292 01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:30.960 We only take small people, small groups, twenty maybe thirty people. 1293 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:35.960 We're about halfway full right now. We want to complete this so everyone can 1294 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:41.239 have a blast. It is not to be missed. April twenty eighth, 1295 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:45.000 May ninth from the Full light itinerary. Go to Earth Ancients dot com forward 1296 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:49.239 slash tours on any of our tours. If you have any questions, send 1297 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:53.880 me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients the number four of the letter 1298 01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:57.880 you at gmail dot com, and I'll get back to you. These are 1299 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:04.399 not only wonderful experiences, they're very deeply spiritual. These are sacred places that 1300 01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:12.039 we go to. So we do a small meditative access point is called we 1301 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:16.760 call it the intention work, so that you don't simply observe it visually, 1302 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:24.000 you tap into it spiritually and physically, so that you get the full experience 1303 01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.479 that you'll never forget again. For more information, go to Earthagents dot com, 1304 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:34.079 forward Slash Tours and check it out. All right, that's it for 1305 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:38.279 this program. When I think my guest today Matt Lacroix, coming to us 1306 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:43.680 from Colorado, USA, and as always, the team of Gail Tour, 1307 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:49.359 Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock, all 1308 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:53.439 right, take care of be well, and we'll talk to you next time. 1309 01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:42.680 SHO show st