WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:56.840 The following presentation is del Marvi Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around 2 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.039 the world. It is time for another edition of the Latter Earth Files. 3 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:06.319 I hope this podcast finds you well. Everybody's having a great week. Tomorrow 4 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:11.640 our midweek episode will drop late Wednesday evening. I guess that's what December sixth 5 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.560 and our interview with John looking forward to that. Today, we're going to 6 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:22.439 read some of the listener feedback in regards to the quote unquote debate from Saturday 7 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.599 night. We also have one audio clip and then we are certainly going to 8 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:32.640 move on from that point. Again, a lot of divisiveness with it. 9 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:38.439 There's TikTok videos running wild, those that you familiar with r V Truth. 10 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.879 I guess his channel is actually now They Live Truth. He just released a 11 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:48.799 video this morning, Greg Locke versus Dean Odle and the Flat Earth Controlled Opposition 12 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.480 Exposed. I think he believes that both of these guys were in on it. 13 00:01:55.159 --> 00:02:01.159 Interesting thoughts from across the internet. But before we start, Ryan, 14 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:07.680 longtime listener, reminded us I'm going to read his email here and it says 15 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.879 the other day I heard them playing a clip of Jim Levell's nineteen sixty eight 16 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.879 Christmas reading of Genesis one about the firmament and the waters, et cetera. 17 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.599 That has to be the ultimate example of NASA mocking God and his creation. 18 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.960 And again that was from the Apollo eight mission, which was from December twenty 19 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.759 first to the twenty seventh of nineteen sixty eight, So again in a couple 20 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:34.680 of weeks, that'll be the fifty five year anniversary. It was the first 21 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.759 crude spacecraft to leave low Earth orbit and the first human space flight to quote 22 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:46.319 unquote reach the Moon. According to our history books, the crew orbited the 23 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:53.360 Moon ten times without landing, and then departed safely back to Earth. The 24 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:59.879 three astronauts involved were Frank Borman, James Lovell, and William Anders. And 25 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:07.719 those first two gentlemen, Borman and Lovell are definitely Freemasons. Noted noted Freemasons. 26 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.319 One belonged to I think it was the Long Peak Masonic Lodge one ninety 27 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:20.159 seven, and the other one was I think the Chicago Scottish write. I 28 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.840 saw an article from twenty sixteen talking about him. So there you go. 29 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:30.719 We're going to go ahead and actually play the audio of the infamous reading of 30 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.960 Genesis one and they called it a Christmas message December nineteen sixty eight, and 31 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.120 like Ryan said, this is really some next level mockery. Check it out. 32 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:50.439 I hoped an audio back on it. We're voting, all right, 33 00:03:50.560 --> 00:04:00.319 I read, I can, I have, I have been looking quite We're 34 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:06.360 now going over booking one of our future landing sites selected in this smoon region 35 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:13.840 to bol the Sea of Tranquility UH smooth in order to make it easy for 36 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:23.279 the initial landing attempt in order to UH recluite having to doc mount. Now 37 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:44.120 you can see the long shadows of the lunar sunrise. M Yeah, we're 38 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:50.399 now booking lunar sunrise. And for all the people back on Earth, approve 39 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:58.480 of apolloing has a methanage that we would like to send you. In the 40 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.000 beginning, Die created the heaven and the earth, and the earth with without 41 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:09.720 form and void in darkness, with upon the days of the deep, and 42 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.600 the spirit of God moved upon the face of the water, and God said, 43 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.920 let there be light. And there was light, and God saw the 44 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:30.360 light, there was good and divided the light from the darkness. And God 45 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:35.639 called the light day and the darkness a cold night. At the ending of 46 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:42.040 the morning with the brute day. And God let them be of the water, 47 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.560 and let it divide the waters from the water. And God made the 48 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:54.120 perm and divided the waters which were under the waters which were both from them. 49 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:59.800 And it was moved. And God told them in the end of the 50 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.279 and God let a lot of them in the heaven be gethered together into one 51 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.519 plate, and let the gualand appear, and it would go. And God 52 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:23.839 called the guy and Earth and the gathering together of the water, and Colleen 53 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:30.399 me and God thought that it was good. And from the girl a boli, 54 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:36.879 good night, good luck, a Mary Gredman, and God want following 55 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:43.439 you, all of you on the good Earth. And there you go. 56 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.519 And with the retrospect, that is a lot of mockery there right. And 57 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:53.879 again for sure two of those three astronauts were freemasons. So again thank you 58 00:06:54.240 --> 00:07:00.680 Ryan for sharing that with us. We're going to move into our feedback on 59 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:06.480 the debate and we'll take our first audio message from Waco, Texas. Hey 60 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.519 to words, This is Sundays by me. I'm calling from w Go, 61 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:16.920 Texas, and it's fine for continuing Monday. And I did listen to the 62 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:24.199 debate on Saturday night, and I was just felt very disappointed and very sad. 63 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:31.120 I didn't feel that it was a debate forum at all, and just 64 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.279 continue to pray for Pastor Locke, in for Pastor total Bos. One day 65 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:46.040 that I really haven't heard anybody say anything about is the fact that Pastor Locke 66 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.319 was invited to the Trump White House back when President Trump was in office. 67 00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:00.160 And I need to find the information, find the article in order to but 68 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:07.680 I'm just I'm just kind of wondering, is this all a you know, 69 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:13.920 a control opposition control for that to weigh more people and to help people see 70 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:20.600 that this division is so much necessary and causing so much more damage than not. 71 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:28.759 But you know, there's Pastorlock has a long history, a very long 72 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:37.399 insortive history in his you know, work career, and anyway, I just 73 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.799 wanted to to kind of bring up that topic and I'll try to find the 74 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.799 information intended to you. It was back when Prisident Trump was in office, 75 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.279 and he invited Pastorlock and about twenty other ministers and pastors and priests from all 76 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.639 everything in out of the States to the One House. And I remember watching 77 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:09.200 past Box sermon after that it ben and he was really excited, really on 78 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:15.600 fire, and just felt a passion for what Trump was doing. And he 79 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:20.039 alluded to the fact that you know, God was really changing and doing a 80 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:26.120 lot of things in the United States as well. So just some food for 81 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.919 thoughts and information that I haven't really seen brought up anywhere, but wanted to 82 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.039 just say, thank you so much for what you're doing. And I do 83 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:41.600 appreciate all perspectives on all sides of the arguments being represented, and I do 84 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:48.639 stand with with Pastor Odor and so thankful for his fullness and thankful for his 85 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.519 humility and his the truth that he's bringing to the forefront. Anyway, thank 86 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.480 you again for what you're doing. I appreciate it so much. Thank you 87 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.720 there you go, and thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. And 88 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.279 there's a lot of interesting takes on that. There are pictures of him down 89 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.720 in, you know, by the White House while Trump was in office. 90 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:16.720 There was a very interesting article that the Tennesseean, which I don't know if 91 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.360 it's just a website where it's actually you know, maybe it used to be 92 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.279 the weekli er daily newspaper, but I wanted to read this. It says 93 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:30.240 Global Vision Bible Church Pastor Greg Locke has been a showman and willing to be 94 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.159 unconventional, and he has made some pretty grandeur type of claims in the past, 95 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.200 but the Mount Juliet pastor is also calculated, even before his explosion on 96 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:45.759 social media and dive into political issues. And as you guys know, Pastor 97 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.720 Odele ran for office as well, but he wasn't this type of grandiose showman 98 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:56.000 that Pastor Locke seems to be. You know, we've all heard well I 99 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.919 assume most of you heard the podcast when he came on our show, and 100 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.000 he's a very down to earth, very knowledgeable, very humble man. I 101 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.399 have not met Pastor Greg Block, so big difference. It goes on to 102 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.799 say that Locke acknowledges some very boldness, some very forthrightness, and things that 103 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.000 I do, and it's on purpose. His critics point to his dangerous rhetoric 104 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.120 and unfounded positions, and some even see him as a heretic. Heretic excuse 105 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.519 me, now, look at some of Greg Block's evolution. It goes back 106 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.279 to two thousand and six, so we're talking seventeen years now, and that 107 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:37.960 is when he started Global Vision Baptist Church in Mount Juliet. Twenty ten, 108 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.039 he started a yearly weekend retreat in January named the Homeless Experience with other men 109 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.120 from Global Vision who lived on the streets so that they could experience homelessness in 110 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:54.720 Nashville for a weekend using only money given to them. Twenty eleven, he 111 00:11:54.879 --> 00:12:00.960 formally split with the Independent Fundamental Baptists and he just changed his name to Global 112 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:07.000 Vision Bible Church. And I don't know if it was the Baptist saying please 113 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.559 step away. I haven't looked into it. Twenty twelve, Locke spends four 114 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.360 days and three nights in a scissor lift thirty feet in the air to solicit 115 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:22.480 donations for people experiencing homelessness. Twenty fourteen, he embarks on a three thousand 116 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:30.000 mile cross country bicycling trip to California and back to raise money for church expansion, 117 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.799 and he has done other bicycle trips and extended walks for causes. Twenty 118 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:41.440 fifteen, he'd demonstrated in front of a local middle school to condemn a school 119 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:48.039 district curriculum on Islam, posting excuse me posting a video of himself on Facebook. 120 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.240 Twenty sixteen, he criticized Target for general neutral bathroom policy, So you 121 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.440 know, a lot of the things of the day, he would jump into, 122 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:01.159 right and what your Fox News and CNN that would be the hot topic, 123 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.000 and he would jump into it. Same year, twenty sixteen, Lock 124 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.799 call's former Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam a major disappointment for vetoing a bill that would 125 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:16.000 have made the Bible the official state book. Twenty seventeen, Locke travels to 126 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.960 DC to return thousands of letters from Planned Parenthood. His actions spawned donations to 127 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.480 the group and his name. Twenty nineteen, lock protested Karaphem, which was 128 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.679 an abortion clinic that opened in Mount Juliet. He says, God didn't give 129 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.559 me a huge social media platform so I could sit around and be quiet. 130 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:41.639 And then twenty twenty is when he kind of came into my vision. When 131 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.399 I first started hearing his name, and I thought he was somebody to kind 132 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.440 of get behind, because he was one of the few pastors that was continuing 133 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:54.720 to hold these in person services at the beginning and throughout the COVID nineteen crisis. 134 00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:01.679 He became very critical of all the churches that closed, and he went 135 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.720 on later that year on the Advisory Committee for Angelicals for Trump, and he 136 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:13.120 received an invitation to the White House when Trump accepted the speech for the GOP 137 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.960 presidential nomination later that year. So he was a busy guy in twenty twenty. 138 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.159 And maybe that's when things started to change. Maybe the stage got very 139 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.559 big for him. And you know how that can affect some people, right, 140 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.279 that became a little more about him than what his original mission was, 141 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.799 because it seemed like he was doing a lot of good stuff earlier in his 142 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.120 life. And listen, the reason I'm putting this stuff out is because most 143 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.679 of the comments were obviously about Greg Locke. I think most people agree that 144 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.159 passed odal pastor odal excuse me, did a tremendous job and showed a lot 145 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:54.919 of restraint and courage. He did a great job being again he was on 146 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.000 the road, if you will. Maybe they should have done a neutral location, 147 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.879 right, you know. Hindsight twenty twenty twenty twenty, political operative Roger 148 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:11.159 Stone and Republican activist Charlie Kirk visit Global Vision on separate Sundays just before the 149 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.759 election, and I guess their tent was vantalized with spray paint right before Roger 150 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:22.639 Stone's visit and at this point you have to question how much of this is 151 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.360 authenticity and authentic I guess it's the correct word to use, and how much 152 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.360 of it at this point, once he goes to the White House, is 153 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.039 he involved? Does he get the talk from the big boys at the FBI 154 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.600 and CIA, we can make your stage bigger. You're going to be part 155 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.679 of the you know, the divide and conquer scheme. Something to think about, 156 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.200 something to think about. And even later in twenty twenty, there was 157 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:54.600 a viral Facebook video about a confrontation with a Duncan Donuts manager who requested that 158 00:15:54.679 --> 00:16:00.159 the pastor wear a face mask the next time he came in locked sharply to 159 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.080 size the employee and still stands by his beliefs in the video, but did 160 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:10.720 another post at acknowledge maybe I came across as a jerk for Jesus. And 161 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:15.120 again, listen, here's the thing. When you go into a private business, 162 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.600 you have to adhere by their rules. As much as most of us 163 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.279 didn't like the walmarts and things, and many of the people were empowered, 164 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:26.000 whar's your mask? Right? It got really weird in twenty twenty, but 165 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.919 there's certainly different ways to handle it, right, I get it that employee 166 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.320 was probably doing what he was told, and then you know, maybe Locke 167 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.559 was doing you know it get people like us who understood, like you can't 168 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.240 comply. There has to be some level of civil disobedience otherwise we're going to 169 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.559 get hosed, you know, at the same time, and you take it 170 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.080 out on the kid behind the cast register. It's just not sure it's the 171 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.240 right way anyway. Let's move on. January twenty twenty one, Greg lock 172 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:02.320 attends rallies in Washington, DC protesting the certification of votes for President Joe Biden. 173 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.839 Locke makes it as far as the steps of the US Capitol during the 174 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:12.079 January sixth insurrection. Locke would later denounce the mob for Donald Trump that stormed 175 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.400 the Capitol. So it's interesting. You've got the big names. You've got 176 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:23.000 the what's his name, Alex Jones, you have Trump, and you've got 177 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:29.720 this Greg Locke, obviously a big name. And I think Owen Schroyer got 178 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.799 sixty days in jail, which is one of the guys who work on Info 179 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:37.920 Wars. But Owen Schweyer pled guilty. I don't know he advised him of 180 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.799 that, but he pled guilty. So he's doing his sixty days in jail 181 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:48.279 anyway. July twenty twenty one, during a Sunday service at Global Vision, 182 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.799 lockwarns people who are wearing masks a seat. Now, this is where it 183 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:57.279 gets weird to me. You can't champion freedom, freedom, freedom, Okay, 184 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.640 it works both ways. People have the freedom if you want to wear 185 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.119 a mask, hey man, and that's your choice. But at the same 186 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:07.599 time, we should have the choice not to wear the mask. And this 187 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:15.079 is where I think July twenty twenty one and December two, twenty twenty three, 188 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.480 you can see the guys start to change after the White House stint. 189 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.720 So this is July twenty twenty one. During a Sunday service at Global Vision, 190 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.240 Locke warns people who are wearing masks. Quote, I will ask you 191 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.759 to leave. I am not playing these democrat games up in this church. 192 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:45.400 That is verbatim. Now listen, Jesus didn't choose political parties. Okay, 193 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.799 anything that is divisive should be not in my opinion, Again, this is 194 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.400 his church. He's going to do what he's going to do. But if 195 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.039 you're running a church, if you're a shepherd right with a flock, you 196 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.720 can point out things I think it's fair to say, but to kick people 197 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:10.000 out who have different that's not like a core belief. Mask, no mask, 198 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.000 right, you still have people. And this is the thing. He 199 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.720 can't handle things that goes against his like he can't handle me. He doesn't 200 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.319 know how to deal with him, Like Flatters was something that he couldn't wrap 201 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:29.839 his mind around. So he acted like a teenager, like a young child, 202 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:34.599 and just lashed out. And again he had this belief from probably watching 203 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:40.240 Fox News twenty three hours a day and all the other far right guys. 204 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.599 Right, if you wear a mask, then you're basically son, you're soul 205 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.400 to the devil. No, it's people were scared. Not everybody's completely awake. 206 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:56.079 People were, you know, still just afraid. But to kick people 207 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.640 out of your church because of that, that's sign. That is a huge 208 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.640 sign. That's a big red flag. September twenty twenty one, Twitter band, 209 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.160 which I in in some ways is a badge of honor at that point, 210 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:15.640 for spreading misinformation about COVID nineteen. He also said Hillary Clinton is a 211 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.960 high priestess in the Satanic Church. I'm not going to argue that. December 212 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:27.000 twenty twenty one, Global Vision gave away sixty six thousand dollars and a reverse 213 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:34.000 offering held at a service just before Christmas with five hundred dollars checks offered to 214 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:40.720 anyone who came forward. Christmas with five hundred dollars checks offered to anyone who 215 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.039 came forward. Global Vision has also teamed up with those experiencing homelessness, which 216 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.480 goes back a long time with them, And kudos clap for you know, 217 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.720 pointing out we're quick to give hundreds of millions of dollars to Ukraine and all 218 00:20:55.720 --> 00:21:00.160 these other countries every single week, but we do a terrible and we I'm 219 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.079 talking about the philp down the DC to a terrible job of taking care of 220 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.119 our own. Now. January twenty twenty two, Locke says during a sermon 221 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:14.359 that some children who have medical conditions may be demonized and attacked, but your 222 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:22.920 doctor calls it autism. So he's basically saying that autism was from demons. 223 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:29.880 Well, it's so funny that he was so hip on the masks, but 224 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:37.319 he really doesn't understand that autisms are from this vaccine schedule. Of course, 225 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.279 he went on after all the backlash, and I'm sure within his own church 226 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.920 people who had children with autism. He caught a lot of flak. And 227 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.880 then he goes on to say, like he's weaseled out. Might my answer 228 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:55.920 it was taken out of contexts right, you know, that's what he does. 229 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.359 February twenty twenty two Locke and Global Vision. Lock and Global Vision hold 230 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:12.400 an event where items occult related items that needed auto check. This to the 231 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:17.839 author, items occult related items. Anyway, I think what that author meant 232 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:22.400 to write was Lock and Global Vision held an event where things were auctioned off 233 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.440 originally, and then they ended up burning books and items and all this other 234 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.279 stuff. Locke also encouraged anything tied to the Masonic Lodge to be part of 235 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:37.480 the burning. So they had this big event where they got all these occult 236 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.440 related items. They were burnt, and according to the story, he has 237 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:48.680 held these type of burnings before. And if you guys remember during the air 238 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:55.559 Quote debate Saturday night that he said he fought Freemasonry harder than anyone else, 239 00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:00.000 but really Freemasonry doesn't come to the forefront until after his visit to the White 240 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:07.200 House. Very interesting. Locke referred to the Masonic Lodge as a Satanic cult 241 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:12.240 no matter what your master Mason, fish frying grandfather told you, and I 242 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.119 get emails all the time from listeners who had a grandfather who was some type 243 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:23.640 of master Mason, et cetera. The Masonic Network asked that the Facebook post 244 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.880 be removed and stated, this kind of rhetoric is unacceptable coming from a Christian 245 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.960 leader, considering that a large number of Freemasons are a fervent Christians. So 246 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:41.160 the interesting there. February twenty twenty two, there was controversy over Locke's comment 247 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:47.519 in the sermon, what there are six witches within Global Visions membership threatening to 248 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.880 expose them? It's that's weird. Imagine, you know, showing up the 249 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.039 church on Sunday and the pastor goes, all right, guys, there's six 250 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:02.000 witches in this congregation. I want to expose its just And then April twenty 251 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:07.839 twenty two, Global Vision holds panel discussions that include Locke, Roger Stone and 252 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:12.400 others interviewed on their feelings about COVID nineteen following a review of a documentary series 253 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:19.240 by Ty and Charlene Bullinger named Propaganda Exposed. And then of course what happens 254 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:23.880 Saturday? And I'm sure there's much more in between there. But this guy 255 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:30.119 obviously loves the spotlight. I think that's fair to say. And I think 256 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:37.119 early on he had great intentions, intentions and championed some very good causes, 257 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.400 but also he thrives on divisiveness telling that so basically Sunday at the debate, 258 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:49.079 that was not the first time he told people not to come back to his 259 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:53.440 church. That's a big problem. That is a huge problem to me. 260 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.039 So before we kick off the listener feedback, I want to thank Shane for 261 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:04.680 sending this in. This was actually posted on I think this was Sunday or 262 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:11.680 Monday on Greg Locke's Facebook page the church newsletter, and it was an official 263 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:18.359 press statement and it begins December second. The Flattereth debate between Pastor Dean Odle 264 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:25.599 and Pastor Locke and they both have flatter Earth next to Dean Odle and spherical 265 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.759 earth next to Pastor Locke came to an abrupt end after four long hours when 266 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:37.400 Locke decided Odele and his followers, who were the large majority of the attendees, 267 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.680 had not come in good faith, but were there only to attack, 268 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:51.359 intimidate, and provoke Locke and others who were there for a peaceful debate based 269 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.079 on the Bible. And I gotta tell you that the crowd itself and again 270 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:02.200 I was watching on YouTube. I wasn't there, but they didn't seem really 271 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:07.359 that unruly. But hey, let's just keep reading. Locke opened up the 272 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:14.640 evening in the spirit of unity and reconciliation and delivered clear instructions for the crowd 273 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:21.839 to remain civil and loving, but Odle wasted no time to angrily threaten a 274 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.680 walk out after Locke levied his first line of questioning. Odle repeated his threat 275 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:33.200 every time Locke challenged him on a point of fact, but Locke continued showing 276 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:41.039 great restraint even while Odele delivered his opening presentation by stating the false premise that 277 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.480 the Bible was not in any way a book of metaphors, but had to 278 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:52.839 be taken literally at all times. So again that first five or six senses 279 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:59.039 are really grease in the wheels, really stretching the truth there. Odele then 280 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.319 went on to deliver a two hour filibuster. It was actually one hour and 281 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:10.119 forty minutes, but I digress. Wrought with pseudoscience, fallacies and gross misinterpret 282 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:19.559 misinterpretations of scripture. Locke and his minority crowd remained quiet and civil throughout Odele's 283 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:27.559 very long monologue and even applauded along with Locke when appropriate, never once disrupting 284 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:34.799 Odle. Locke then followed with his very brief biblical presentation, but Odele's crowd 285 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:44.480 repeatedly interrupted Lock with heckling and disruptive outbursts. When Locke concluded his opening presentation, 286 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:52.039 Odle retorted with more combative language and continued bullying posture while denying the biblical 287 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.440 truth Locke had presented, which further incited his crowd to outbursts that put the 288 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:04.079 security team on the alert. That is ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous. 289 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:12.000 Locke eventually decided he had seen enough and told Odle to leave. Odle respotted 290 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.599 by throwing his microphone at Lock. Again, that's a stretch. He kind 291 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.680 of tossed it to the side. He did not throw it to him. 292 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.599 It was under hand, like whatever, I'm out of here type of pitch, 293 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.319 and then Locke swatted it to the ground, which is of course he 294 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.319 Pastor Locke left that part out. It was clear he had got exactly what 295 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.680 he came for. The Global Vision Bible Church security team did an admiral job 296 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:45.880 of keeping the peace while Odele's Flat Earth supporters erupted with two hours misspelling there 297 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:51.599 with anger and took to the floor. So he's descrying the seam of Mayhem, 298 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:55.839 and I saw Austin Witz's video and everybody's just got a like their shoulders 299 00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:00.200 are struggling and what just happened, and everyone's kind of walking out. That's 300 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.079 why. If you guys remember when I was live streaming the audio, I'm 301 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.440 like, I can't believe this. These guys are rushing the stage, and 302 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.440 then there's the one lady in the background, a twirling flags. It was 303 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.759 something out of Amani Python or a mel Brooks movie. You know, the 304 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:22.519 church service ends. You got guys in full battle rattle, rushing the stage. 305 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:30.880 It was not what Pastor Odle is writing here. The Global Vision Bible 306 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:37.039 Church security team, I'm sure it'll be passing out purple hearts this weekend. 307 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.799 At service, several of Odal supporters had to be restrained for rushing toward lock 308 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:47.799 while yelling profanities, and many more screamed and raged against the small number of 309 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.920 Global Vision members and attendance. The visitors continued raging in the parking lot is 310 00:29:53.480 --> 00:30:00.200 some defiantly smoked marijuana in the parking lot, those dang hippies. One enraged 311 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:07.240 visitor rammed three cars as he sped away, further necessitating police involvement. Now, 312 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.000 so I guess that's his way, because as you guys know, they 313 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.680 did call the sheriff, they showed up. Maybe that happened, maybe it 314 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.839 didn't. I don't know. Sadly, despite four very difficult hours, the 315 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:27.039 actual debate never happened. For this and for the bad faith behavior of Dean 316 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:33.480 Odle and his flat Earth supporters, Global Vision, Bible Church and Lock Media 317 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:41.839 have decided to remove the event from all platform archives. They decided that literally 318 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.599 five minutes after the event. They pulled it immediately, I mean right away. 319 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:53.000 We will not help them promote their deceptive fairy tales and conspiracy theories coming 320 00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:00.519 from the guy who again some conspiracy theories are OK. A rigged election in 321 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.359 COVID nineteen, We can talk about that. If you wear your mask, 322 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:10.119 get out of my church. Well wait a second, you're telling me that 323 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:15.240 we're not spinning where, We're not hurtling through space at hundreds of thousands of 324 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:19.559 miles, We're not chasing the sun at sixty six thousand miles right, water 325 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.079 can stick to a ball. You're just out of your mind. So again 326 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.400 he can wrap his mind around some but not around others. This is a 327 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.920 big one. So he closes to say, again, we will not help 328 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.200 them promote their deceptive fairy tales and conspiracy theories, as we consider them to 329 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:48.200 be doctrines of demons. So I guess I promote demons. Wow, the 330 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:56.200 truth is clear. The Bible never claims that the Earth is flat. Of 331 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.359 course we know the Bible never claims that the Earth is round either. And 332 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.559 again that hour and forty minutes. I messaged Dean. I said you need 333 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.039 to click that hour and forty minutes and just the rest of it, get 334 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.400 rid of and repost it. And he said he'd look into doing that, 335 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.480 that it was a good idea, and I hope he does. Just keep 336 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.839 that hour forty minutes. It was really well done. You had people in 337 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.640 their testimony. Great job the hour, the first hour, you know, 338 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.920 and of course the WWF that last you know, forty sixty minutes whatever it 339 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.920 was, that can be clipped as well. That was all divisive nonsense. 340 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.519 And again you've got Pastor Locke and I'm sure he didn't write this. I'm 341 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:42.440 sure he had one of his, one of his folks write that, just 342 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.000 a stretch of far far stretch. Let's get into some of our emails. 343 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.920 Our first email comes from Jacques and he says, Sir, I've listened to 344 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.960 the supposed debate twice and I picked up on some things. Number One, 345 00:32:54.119 --> 00:33:01.200 the host, pastor got offended fairly quickly over non essential thing agreed. Number 346 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:07.039 two, He repeatedly interrupted and would avoid direct answers to questions the guest rays, 347 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:15.000 but demanded direct answers to his nebulous questions and assumed facts. And I 348 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.079 said this before, it seemed like Pastor Locke how he prepared for this. 349 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.000 He spent thirty minutes on the Flat Earth Society's website right because he talked about 350 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.119 the disc going up right, which is something we don't believe his flat earthers. 351 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.200 Number three, the host hinted that the guest was heretical in the first 352 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.440 hour, and then he cut off the mic. He did call him heretic, 353 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.960 Yes he did. The host is now a friend of potential false teachings, 354 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.680 and that kind of ministry is something I have a history with for ten 355 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:52.680 years I was a teacher and a small group leader. The church started out 356 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.720 sincere and steadfast, preaching the Gospel and believing that spiritual gifts are alive because 357 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.599 we do not put limits on God. But we preached to tell the truth 358 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.199 and be excellent and be holy, that we serve an excellent and holy King. 359 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:14.599 When Benny Hin came near, many of the ill and the congregation we 360 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:22.360 went to see him. One single mother of a wheelchair bound child told everyone 361 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.519 she was going to see the man of God and her child would be off 362 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:30.840 the machine and out of the chair. Well during the service, the Man 363 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:37.519 of God asked about the awful noise in the church. It was the child's 364 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:44.360 respirator and the lung suction device, and he asked that she be removed from 365 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:50.119 the prayer service. I mean, imagine putting your faith in Benny In and 366 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.800 with a congregation you travel to see him. You have a single mother with 367 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.159 a wheelchair bound child, and she believed that this man of God was going 368 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.679 to heal him. He'd be off the machine, out of the chair, 369 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.920 and he complains about the noise and kicks him out of the church. And 370 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:12.800 you know, now we know in July and Benny Hinn and Pastor Locke became 371 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:21.400 chummy. That's awful. Number five. When you have the truth, present 372 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:27.000 that truth. When your argument is emotion, play on other emotions. Right. 373 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.920 When you have nothing, you point your fingers and you pound your chest. 374 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.960 The host did the latter. After seeing the guests present facts and sway 375 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.760 emotions, he became angry. Right, That is very important context. When 376 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:47.159 Pastor Odele finished his hour and forty minute or so lecture, you could see 377 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.079 and kind of feel the congregation was understanding what was going on. And I 378 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.840 think Pastor Locke understood Pastor Odel and he's like, oh my gosh, Number 379 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.639 one, I'm going to be out thirty thousand dollars. Number two. You 380 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.639 know, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who likes to say he's 381 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.000 sorry. He's that kind of guy, Pastor Locke. I'm always right. 382 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.400 So what does he do? He lashes out? Right. While in ministry, 383 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.679 I noticed how many people love the scriptures that make everyone happy, but 384 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.760 don't like the context. So many prophets that came through our church would quote 385 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.800 Jeremiah twenty nine to eleven for I know the plans I have prosper hope, 386 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:34.159 but verse ten provided the context. After seventy years of captivity, during one 387 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.400 of our leadership meetings, the pastor and I were discussing scriptures, and we 388 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:44.239 disagreed about Corinthians thirteen and love, and I wanted the first part, which 389 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:50.360 says thou I speak with tongues of men and angels, but have not love. 390 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.079 I'm a banging gong. So when I wouldn't change my view because of 391 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:00.360 his great reasoning, because because that's that that was his reasoning, right, 392 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:05.159 that's just the way it is, he ran across the room and attempted to 393 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.159 choke me. So because of a disagreement on Corinthians thirteen. And when he 394 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.360 asked for an explanation, the pastor said, that's that's that right. They 395 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.599 just were not going to discuss it. And you get that a lot from 396 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:22.480 people, especially in a flatter type of conversation. Why do you believe we're 397 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.039 on a globe spinning, That's just what we're taught. That's that right, 398 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:31.440 same type of thing. It's actually try to choke him. Well, listening 399 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.039 to the debate, those pastor attempted to all shucks and hillbilly disarming speech. 400 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:44.880 When that failed to get the emotions. The Mario approach to where he puffed 401 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.719 his chest and did a Mike Jagger chicken walk, great analogy, a Mick 402 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:54.039 Jaggered chicken walk, followed by straw man arguments indeed and name drops, and 403 00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:01.760 then character assaults in essence, preaching to the choir right, attempting to gin 404 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:08.400 up a boogeyman and have his true believers castigate the guest speaker. Let all 405 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:15.119 things be done decently and in order was Paul's advice to the church, and 406 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.320 the debate lacked a decency and order, but it kind of got done. 407 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.840 The host preacher has a lot of tendencies of the faith movement of the nineties 408 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:30.159 and beyond. And he was insulting when the army pilot was introduced, and 409 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.639 that he claimed that military pilots were not real pilots. And I got a 410 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.480 little offended to that too. You got pilots a fl C seventeen globe masters 411 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.840 all over the world, and he's like, oh, that not real pilots, 412 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.880 Like he doesn't even understand that we actually have them in the army, 413 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.320 we have real airplanes. He went thirties fives. This guy is just in 414 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.320 another when he said that I wasn't the only one who's like, what is 415 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:02.920 he talking about? And actually, Astor Odell had an opportunity when Pastor Locke 416 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.880 mentioned helicopters. You could have said, Okay, Pastor Locke, if our 417 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:14.000 earth is spinning, why can't a helicopter go up and just kind of stay 418 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.000 there and let the earth move under him for thirty minutes and then land, 419 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:21.679 right if the earth is continuously moving, And you would have got the same 420 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.280 type of answer, because that's a right, that's you know, you get 421 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.840 the same type of answer. So very very interesting and a great email, 422 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.280 Jack, a lot of great observations. Let's get to the next email, 423 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:40.039 and this one is Alex from Alberta, Canada. He says, hope all 424 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:44.199 is well on your end. Just wanted to bring out my perspective on the 425 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.440 Saturday night debate. I was really looking forward to the debate, but wanted 426 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.280 to point out that the poster image I saw reminded me a lot of UFC 427 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:59.599 advertisement posters. Right this Sunday night, you have a picture of two gentlemen 428 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:05.440 with their corresponding names beneath them, with a versus in the middle. Right, 429 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:12.320 that's a very great observation right team flat on one side, team globe 430 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.440 on the other. Something did not sit right with me. Uh with just 431 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.519 that right there where we have seen this kind of one to one split down 432 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.719 the middle before. I wonder we've seen it everywhere, especially in the last 433 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:30.679 four years. Politics, religions, vaccinations, masks, Russia versus Ukraine, 434 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:39.480 Palestine versus Israel, and now flat Earth versus globe eirth. Apart from Pastor 435 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:46.559 Dean's slideshow presentation, everything else made me very uncomfortable one hundred percent the way 436 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:51.440 Pastor Greg was talking. I ended up turning off the video. I personally 437 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.880 could not handle it, but I ended up catching the last twenty minutes from 438 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.320 the audio you shared, and I was just shaking my head. It doesn't 439 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.400 matter whether you believe in flat Earth or not, at least to the sense 440 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.199 that it is not a salvation issue, and whether we believe one way or 441 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:13.719 the other, we should be treating each other with compassion, love and kindness. 442 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.639 I did not see anything of the sorts in that debate, be it 443 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.880 from the stage or the sounds or from the audience. The whole thing reminded 444 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:28.199 me of how we as flat earthers get treated when we speak our mind but 445 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:32.320 amplified times one hundred. So it got me thinking, call me crazy, 446 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.400 but something did not feel organic about that debate. And listen, some people 447 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.719 ask me not to read their emails, and this is something that a few 448 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.079 people said that the entire thing didn't seem organic about it. It says you 449 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:50.000 mentioned that Pastor Dean's mike volume being lower, which I noticed as well. 450 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:55.920 Is it also a coincidence that Pastor Gregg's congregation is called Global Vision Bible Church, 451 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.119 right? I kind of made a joke to it. There's no way 452 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.480 he could, you know, surrender and admit flat Earth because he'd have to 453 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.679 change the name of his church, his business cards. Just a joke, 454 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.760 of course. It almost feels like this debate was designed to be divisive, 455 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:17.400 whether knowingly or unknowingly. Pick a team and fight like a UFC cage match, 456 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.960 just like the system wants us to do everything else. And then you 457 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.400 have the Illuminati card game, which oddly enough, one of the cards is 458 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:32.199 a flat Earth card, just like the Simpsons. That card has also predicted 459 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.280 quite a lot. Did the Satanic leaders of this world know there would be 460 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.280 a flat Earth uprising? And did they plan on using it as another tool 461 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:49.559 to divide and conquer. Was this debate infiltrated in any sorts or was it 462 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.760 simply a matter of globe earth and doctrination ingrain too deep into Pastor Greg that 463 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.480 caused him to defend it so strongly. Now, this is me talking my 464 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.000 thoughts before we resume. I thought there was a chance we could get through 465 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.960 to him, because again, here's a guy who back in twenty twenty and 466 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.199 twenty twenty one, right, he kept his church open, you know, 467 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.280 he didn't force masks on people and things of that nature. So it seemed 468 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.280 to me like he was the type of guy who would be opened up to 469 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:23.199 these type of conversations. But he wasn't whatsoever I mean at all? Again, 470 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:30.960 was it infiltrated like like Alex says? Or was there something a little 471 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.119 more nefarious to it? Was it? Was it just that glob eirth and 472 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:40.440 doctrination was ingrained too deep. Continuing the email, many of us have been 473 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.639 there before, defending the greatest reception of all time. So I'd like to 474 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.400 remind myself and everyone not to look at Pastor Greg poorly because of his actions, 475 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.320 but instead to pray for him. I concur one hundred percent. Most 476 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.800 of us do not know him personally, nor do we know what he is 477 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:05.039 going through on a daily Being a church leader is a big responsibility, yes, 478 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.679 indeed, and I do not agree with his mannerisms as one, but 479 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.119 he is still a human just like the rest of us. Pastor Greg, 480 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.760 whatever demons you may be facing, we pray for you and hope that you 481 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.559 are over over able to overcome them. Sorry, we pray that you may 482 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:30.079 find peace and not let the divisiveness of anything in this world steer you away 483 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:36.119 from loving thy neighbor. Really well done, Alex, thank you for the 484 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.960 email. And indeed, right, we don't know what he's going through his 485 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.960 personal life. You know. Maybe he did change a little bit when he 486 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.440 got away for that fame a couple of years ago, right, And maybe 487 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.719 he was afraid if he was associated with flat Earth that he would be shunned 488 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.159 from whatever cliq he may have joined. I don't know. At the end 489 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.599 of the day, again, you pray for everyone, so so hopefully he 490 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.360 does work out whatever issue he has, Because to me and all the emails 491 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:12.320 and messages we got, something really seemed off Saturday. He was just not 492 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.960 acting in a very pastoral way. So hey, thanks for that, Alex. 493 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.239 We're going to move on. We have an email from Adam and he 494 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.039 says, so if you're doing well, I just listened to the debate between 495 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:28.199 Pastor Odell and Pastor Locke. Now my opinion is coming from someone who had 496 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.599 high respect for both pastors. But I am a Christian who believes Pastor Odele's 497 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.960 interpretation of the word to be correct. But my reaction to the debate isn't 498 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.480 about their interpretations of the word. But I couldn't believe the way Pastor Locke 499 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:49.840 was talking to Pastor Odele. He was very intimidating, very judgmental, and 500 00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:54.320 by the end I even questioned whether Pastor Locke is spirit filled or not. 501 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.199 The way he was yelling at the end sounded evil. Right. He was 502 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.880 telling people not to come back to his church. Right, He told him 503 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.320 if they believe in flat earth, don't come back to this church. But 504 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.119 it's just like you always say, that's how people react when backing the Globe. 505 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.320 I believe this is because facts and science are not on their side, 506 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.320 and when Pastor Odele shows scripture wasn't either. Pastor Locke, again, already 507 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.440 having his mind made up, not willing to change it. He became very 508 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.199 emotional, and he let the debate turn into an emotional argument instead of a 509 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.119 debate. As much as I hate to say it, I have lost respect 510 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:45.039 for Pastor Locke with the way he carried himself during the debate. And you 511 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.880 know, I had mentioned to add On that my sentiments were very similar to 512 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.800 his. I had hopes it would be a spirited debate. And again each 513 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:58.719 side present let the congregation decide for themselves, because again it's not a salvation 514 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.320 issue. Shake camp to praise Jesus, see you tomorrow at eleven am. 515 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:07.239 Right, And again Pastor Otel's hour and forty minute presentation was really well done, 516 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.559 and he skipped over half of slides. It could have done it easily 517 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.199 by himself a three or four hour presentation. But at the same time, 518 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:22.280 when I was working on my slide show, I wanted to make sure that 519 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.920 I kept it to X amount of time because when you introduce somebody to this 520 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.320 theory, they can only handle so much, right, so you want to 521 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:36.559 get the most pertinent issues the Bible versus you get a little support from from 522 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.719 all facets and say here you go, give them enough to make them curious 523 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.519 to start their own research. So you know, I made sure of that 524 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.159 when I was working on my slide presentation. So when we start presenting locally, 525 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.559 we don't, you know, flood them with too much information and everything. 526 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.440 You only have so much time, so you need to make sure you 527 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:02.599 get the important points in. I went on to say that again the first 528 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.719 hour, everything Pastor Locke said was pretty troubling, and you could sense the 529 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.599 tenseness right off the bat. And again I told him that our church experienced 530 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.719 something like that in the eighties and it divided the church. But even worse 531 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.119 than that, not only did this divisiveness the type of event that week SPA 532 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.079 wasn't flat Earth, obviously, but we had a pastor who divided the church. 533 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.280 And the events of that Sunday not only split the church where many people 534 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.760 left and never came back, they went to different churches, but there was 535 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:37.239 people who left the church completely all together and never went back to church, 536 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.079 any church. They walked away from from church, and that is just unfathomed, 537 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:53.840 just terrible. And Adam did reply that he wanted to respond with Pastor 538 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.599 Locke, being close with Benny Hant, it is a problem. I hear 539 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.360 the clip you played with him talking to Benny hen and the fact that Pastor 540 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:06.760 Locke used to not believe in the gifts of the Spirit tells me that his 541 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:13.119 interpretation of the Word is not correct. But not only that has me questioning 542 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.480 whether he is spirit filled or not. Even more, I mean, no 543 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:22.800 one filled with the Holy Spirit would ever tell his own congregation that if they 544 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.760 believe Pastor Odele's interpretation of the world of the Word, that they're not welcome 545 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.320 back to his church. And then, on top of that, to tell 546 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.880 them that they are Bible deniers and part of the end time deception. That 547 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:43.599 was insane. Adam says that he gained so much respect for Pastor Odele with 548 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.840 how he carried himself while constantly being interrupted and belittled. He is a man 549 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.800 of conviction and I love that. I'm going to try to dig a little 550 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.000 more about Pastor Locke's history. Something tells me he's more of a showman than 551 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.840 a pastor. I've just never seen a man of God act like that before. 552 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:06.639 It is mind blowing. And our next email comes from Raoul from the 553 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.559 firma Metal podcast, and he says, I hope this email finds you well. 554 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.519 I just wanted to make a few statements of my evaluation of this debate 555 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.199 between Pastor Locke and Pastor Odle. First off, I will start by saying 556 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.320 I find Pastor Locke to be cringe worthy and right off the jump, he 557 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:28.000 was very condescending. He tried to act friendly and welcoming, but it didn't 558 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.239 take long for him to start some show. I'm sorry it didn't take long 559 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.639 for him to start to show some of his true colors. I feel that 560 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.960 Pastor Odele did a good job on his presentation. I would like to have 561 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.760 had him tie more physical proof of the Earth, but what he did was 562 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:49.039 pretty good and he had a good execution on the scriptures he referenced. I 563 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.440 think a really big one to get people to understand the flat earth concept is 564 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.159 the skyclock. I would have liked to him to do more stuff out of 565 00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.480 Genesis and the Greater and Lesser life lights and present evidence to support that. 566 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.800 Yeah, I agree, right, the lesser light it's not a reflection of 567 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.480 the sun. It is illuminary. Right, that's a huge thing that I've 568 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.079 seen when you mentioned the moon and reading that part of Genesis that you start 569 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.519 to see a little bit of flicker in people's eyes to kind of understand. 570 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.000 He goes on to say that when it came to Greg Lock's turn, I 571 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.039 feel like he presented some of the evidence for his debate very confidently, but 572 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:32.159 he lost me completely when all he would do is reference Nathan Reynolds writing it 573 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.719 was more like debating that paper instead of directly debating Dean Odle. Great point, 574 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.920 and Dean called him out on this, and of course the way it 575 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:46.159 ended was absolutely disgusting as well. The points that you made about their microphones 576 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.599 was legit too. So many it wasn't just me that heard that good. 577 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:57.079 Several people had noticed that he definitely had home field advantage. And I don't 578 00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.639 know what the hell he was talking about about the whole Bible denire thing. 579 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.159 I don't even think that scripture that he was referencing was relevant in the way 580 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.960 he was using it. I don't think so either. The closing was weird. 581 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.079 If you know, if you believe him, you're a Bible denire, 582 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.079 ibill denier and don't come back to my church. That was just insane at 583 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:24.159 a minimum. You know, maybe you would think in that little formal what 584 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:30.119 was it the press statement, the official press statement that we read at the 585 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.199 beginning of the podcast, that maybe, just maybe he would have mentioned something 586 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.000 like, you know, maybe I went a little too far when I told 587 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:38.920 people not to come back too much to know, he's a very prideful man. 588 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:45.760 That cannot be disputed. He is a very very prideful person. And 589 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.119 of course he said, what a sad way to end it. I wish 590 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.280 this would have had a lot more structure, like you said, and it 591 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.280 should have definitely yet should have had a moderator, and they should have asked 592 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.880 questions from the moderator directed at both of them, and both be given time 593 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:07.079 for presentations and then time to have an open form questions. Anyhow, I 594 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:12.320 think it's a learning experience, agreed, Raoul. Hopefully if this ever happens 595 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.639 again, it's more structured, Like you said, I hope something like this 596 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.639 does happen again, and I'd like to see more of this style of debate. 597 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.599 Anyway, much love from your brother at the Firmer Metal Podcast, and 598 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.559 Raoul, thank you so much. Great points as well. It should have 599 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:31.320 been a neutral location, should have had a moderator. But even still, 600 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:40.000 I think that when you have somebody that's not that locked in to his beliefs, 601 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:47.800 which pastor Lock was. But again, like many of the other emailers 602 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.920 said, we were that guy too, right, we would defend the ball 603 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.719 even though we had very little knowledge about it. We didn't really understand the 604 00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:00.840 whole helio noncentric system, right, And then when we actually take the time 605 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.960 we put our guard down and research it for ourselves, we realize how ridiculous 606 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.719 it actually is. So thanks for that email. And lastly, Patrick, 607 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.960 just a quick note. He says, at some point us flat earthers have 608 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:24.920 to stop dropping breadcrumbs and start making toasts. How about that, stop dropping 609 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:30.880 breadcumbs and start making toast. I'm not sure what that looks like, but 610 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:36.480 that debate fired me up, and I'm done being the stupid one. Just 611 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:42.119 my two cents, right, because we are you know, at the family 612 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.159 gatherings. You see that guy over there, his name's Georgie's my cousin. 613 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.400 He thinks the earth is flat, right, And then you know, next 614 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.639 thing, You know, why are people looking at me so funny? Right? 615 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.559 Where really it should be the other way around. Hey, that's Don 616 00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.960 over there. He thinks water sticks to a ball, all right, But 617 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:05.039 again, kudos to the matrix and the indoctrination system that's been put in place. 618 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.880 So anyway, I hope you enjoyed that. That's the feedback from the 619 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.039 debate. We are going to move forward. You know, let's pray for 620 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.480 Pastor Locke and of course Pastor Odal as well. He in my opinion, 621 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:21.119 whethered quite a storm on the road. He was asked as a guest to 622 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.079 drive up from you know, near Auburn, Alabama, to Mount Juliett, 623 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:30.000 Tennessee to have a debate, a spirited debate, and you know, it 624 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.000 should have been done, you know, with the glory of God. And 625 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.199 that's not just what happened. But like Raoul said, hopefully this is a 626 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.239 learning experience and the next time maybe we can do this again. But we 627 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:45.360 can show them how it can be done. And hey, maybe I can 628 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.440 find a pastor locally who's willing to do something that will lead the way and 629 00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.719 we'll show them how it should be done where we can still even walk away. 630 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.760 Fine, you don't believe what I say, but we still we're not 631 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.440 going to throw rocks, toss people out of church for it. So there 632 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.679 you go. Looking forward to our interview tomorrow, Night with John. Hope 633 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:13.280 you enjoy that, and then we'll have another episode for you Sunday evening at 634 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:19.239 eight pm Eastern time, another interview, So stay tuned, appreciate the feedback, 635 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.159 and of course we appreciate the support. God bless each and every one 636 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.679 of you. And until the next time we meet my friends, we will 637 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:37.519 see you. I know it's been struggle. I don't know if you've had 638 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:47.639 spain. I feel the TI tell down all the way. Yeah, I 639 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:59.280 know you feel them. You smile ain't the same? Also go from you 640 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:07.519 she like you've lost your way. Don't give up. No, don't give 641 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:15.119 it and never is home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't done 642 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:20.880 yet. He's got a plan. Why it's away time got up? Lem 643 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:37.559 me come? Why wait God, m I can see the straight beside you. 644 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:45.559 Child's are putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than anything. C 645 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:55.960 Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a bed found beautiful, 646 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:04.639 You're shoving ride, Yeah, you're living, breathing, move, you can 647 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:12.679 hold your head a pie. Don't give up. No, don't give in, 648 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:19.719 never lose home, don't let go on the primies. It ain't doniets 649 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:25.360 God up lay, Why it's some raintown the God of me come, don't 650 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.719 give up, no, don't give in you never lose home. Don't let 651 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:36.639 go on the primies. It ain't god life, It's worth live in? 652 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:46.000 What's a way town? The god of baby colt Why sur pray down? 653 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:57.079 Got up? Oh yes, what's a pray down? The God up baby 654 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:15.679 call? Oh yeah, gott don't give up, no, don't give in, 655 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.400 never lose home. Don't they go oft the primis? I mean and 656 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:29.559 done? Ye's guide up playing waits and die kind of even a coat, 657 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:36.440 and don't give no dog giving whatever the home? Do they go of the 658 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:43.039 primes? It ain't done. Lover's worth living in? Wat's and die. 659 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:59.760 The god of every colus all, the god of needs watch dun the god 660 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:16.119 you're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, Mammy mhm