1 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,920 Welcome to episode seven of Get Out Alive podcast, where me, your host 2 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,760 Ashley, comes at you every week with a new animal tech story, and 3 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:26,519 me, the other host, Nick, comes at you with some wild, 4 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:32,960 stupid questions and basically have no idea what'm talking about. And that's why we 5 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:35,880 love you. I need my role on this podcast. Please do not find 6 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:43,200 anyone stupider than me. So today it's part two of our coyote episode. 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,840 So last week we talked about the Colorado coyote attack and got into a lot 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,000 of history about coyotes, which I found super interesting and love love talking about. 9 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,320 So you're gonna get more of that today, whether or not you liked 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,759 it. Sorry, I'm sure it's gonna be a So it's split. Yeah, 11 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,679 Well, I mean, like I said before, a lot of people 12 00:01:03,319 --> 00:01:07,680 have their strong opinions about coyotes, so you are one of them. I 13 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,280 don't have that hard of opinions on them. You talk about this animal more 14 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,040 than any other one I know, which is weird because like I don't even 15 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:17,719 count them as one of my top five favorites. So I don't know why 16 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,319 I have such hard opinions. But I am a white woman, so I 17 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,319 have a lot of hard coyote sympathizer. Yeah is that a bad thing? 18 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,280 No? Okay, we like you said it like it was like, ooh, 19 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,560 you're one of those. Anyways, today we're talking about a local story 20 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,920 that actually happened in twenty twenty, so it's pretty recent. Should we just 21 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,400 get into it? Yeah, yeah, let's do it all right. January 22 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:44,319 twentieth, twenty twenty, Ian O'Reilly is hiking with this family when similarly out 23 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,799 of nowhere coyote started to approach them, and he first noticed it at the 24 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:51,519 corner of his eye, and they kind of tried to like show it off, 25 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,680 but it pretty quickly came after his son, his two year old son, 26 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,159 and grabbed his son's jacket's hood and dragged him to the ground. So 27 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:05,879 naturally, his parents were like absolutely not, and the mom acted instantly and 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,639 was able to somehow separate the coyote from her son. It doesn't really give 29 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:13,199 details there, but the boy managed to escape without being bitten, so just 30 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:17,000 his clothes are really tugged on. So Ian the father rushed between the coyote 31 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,080 and his family, which cost him a couple aggressive attacks from the coyote, 32 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,120 so it jumped it bit him on the arms on his chest, and when 33 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:29,960 he realized it wasn't going to leave, he just straight up kicked it in 34 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:35,520 the head and then pinned it to the ground and he was able to grab 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,159 its snout with one of his hands and then place his other hand on its 36 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:45,159 windpipe. He told his family to leave and like urged them to go get 37 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,479 help or whatever, and as they left, he sat there for ten minutes 38 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:54,159 with his hand on that coyote's neck and strangled it to death, which really 39 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,840 is Jesus. Yeah, that's a really intimate way to kill something or some 40 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:04,080 So, I mean he had no other option. Yeah, when it's going 41 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,840 after you, like, do you have a choice unless you have something with 42 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:09,280 you, like a knife or a gun. That's kind of the next option. 43 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:14,560 Yeah. And of course they're assuming that it's rabbid. Well, yeah, 44 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,759 just jumped out of the woods and starry attacking people like there's something wrong 45 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,639 with it. Yeah. So actually, in twenty nineteen, his four year 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,120 old son was bitten by a rabid raccoon. What what is going on on 47 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,000 in Kensington? I don't know. It sounds like a rough time, Yeah, 48 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:32,120 getting calls from there for work. No, I actually haven't. Maybe 49 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:36,800 you should, maybe maybe they should start calling. Yeah, well it sounds 50 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,039 like after this they got things sorted out. But yeah, so obviously they 51 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:42,120 were assuming, like he was, assuming this is rabid. I gotta kill 52 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,360 it because it's not going to stop. And I've already been bitten once, 53 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,840 so I'm gonna have to get treated anyways. Yeah, I already got to 54 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:51,439 go to the hospital. Yeah, so he killed it, and he said 55 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:53,560 he wasn't really thinking a whole lot when it happened. He just acted, 56 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,319 yeah, you know, like I said, it wasn't disengaging from them, 57 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:00,639 so he felt like they had no other option but to kill it and just 58 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,159 had his bare hands and no weapons. So, however, in the same 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:11,520 town that morning, there were two other coyote attacks, presumably by the same 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,960 animal. Oh whoa. Yeah, so the first was in Hampton Falls, 61 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,040 which is also by the coast, and that was at eight point forty in 62 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:25,240 the morning when the coyote attacked a vehicle. So that's usually another sign to 63 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,120 biologists or honestly law enforcement, if an animal is attacking a vehicle, especially 64 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,959 a wild animal, that's not a great sign. No, I think you 65 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:39,120 again would need something to be wrong in the brain to uh want to attack 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,319 a car. Yeah. So then at nine am, just twenty minutes later, 67 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:46,519 a woman in Kensington called the police and said that she and her two 68 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,480 dogs were attacked by a coyote. So her two dogs were bitten and she 69 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,839 was trying to get them into the house and the coyote bit her on the 70 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,879 butt. It's a bad morning. Her name was The woman who was bitten 71 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,319 in the butt was pat Lee and she was sixty two years old. Oh 72 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,240 poor Patly. Her dogs already had their rabiy shots because it's legally required to 73 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:06,079 which we talked about in the last episode. But yeah, so she had 74 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,319 to go get her a series of shots too. And Ian O'Reilly received his 75 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:15,199 first rounds of raby shots immediately after the attack. But he has four more 76 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,680 remaining or had they currently? Okay, no, so he got the rabies 77 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,240 shots exist like something you once you get bit, you have to keep getting 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,279 these shots forever and everyone. No. No, so he got his first 79 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,720 rounds of rabies vaccines that day, but he had to go back and get 80 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,839 four more treatments, which is pretty typical, especially he was bitten so many 81 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,439 times. Yeah, I mean he was wrestling at rabbit coyote, or what 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,920 we assume to be a rabbit coyote considering it's attacking people and dogs and cars 83 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,480 because it's stupid. Yes, so it was confirmed by the health department in 84 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,639 this case that the coyote was rapid. So that being said, let's talk 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,680 about rabies. Is it possible that you worked on this coyotes's brain at some 86 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:58,319 point or it's samples? No? So I okay, So first and background, 87 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:00,279 I'm not going to say exactly who I work for, because I don't 88 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,759 think I'm really allowed to, but I do work for an organization that has 89 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,319 rabies in the name, so needless to set well, at least for half 90 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:14,120 the time, my job is weird, so we only test animals that are 91 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,680 found dead or our roadkill or whatever. If they've been exposed to humans or 92 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,360 pets, it immediately goes to the state Health department. Gotcha. So I 93 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,120 don't do any of that, But I have picked up a lot of dead 94 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,079 animals and had to cut their brains out because fun fact, the only way 95 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,120 you could test for rabies is to cut off an animal's head and scoop out 96 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,079 the brainstem because that's where it's localized. So if you touch a wild animal 97 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,800 that you're not supposed to, like a rabies vector species like foxes, skunks, 98 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:45,720 coyotes, raccoons, they have to kill the animal to test it to 99 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,319 see if it's rabid, and then if it's not, it's just sad of 100 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:51,000 for everyone because now it's a dead animal for no reason. Exactly. Yeah. 101 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,839 I had a woman call me and she was like, oh, my 102 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,160 little daughter, we kept finding these skunks under a porch, and you know, 103 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,240 we found two baby ones and I told her not to touch them, 104 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,800 and I turned around for two seconds and turn back and she was holding them. 105 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,600 So you know, they had to get tested for rabies. I was 106 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,959 like, yeah, you understand that means they died, right, Like, 107 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,639 that's no job. Head shopped off. Yeah, fun times. Is there 108 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,600 a way to test for in humans or is it the same thing. You 109 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,519 can only get to it from the brain stem, so you just get treatment 110 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,240 forever and ever and hope your brain doesn't start to eat itself. There's no 111 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,079 way to test in humans unless you took out the brain stem. So if 112 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,720 you are exposed to an animal that's suspected to have rabies, we just assume 113 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,040 that you get the shots, or that you'll need the shots. So that's 114 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,199 kind of how that works. You don't need the shots forever. You just 115 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,759 need like essentially a treatment of them and then you're good. But obviously if 116 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,240 you get exposed again, then you'll need more shots. So it's a bad 117 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:44,399 time, makes sense. Getting bit by anything is a bad time. Yeah, 118 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:46,240 So a raby's exposure can look like a lot of things. So I 119 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:50,639 think the scariest one, and the one that people probably don't think of, 120 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,720 is if you have a bat in your room while you're sleeping, oh, 121 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,759 because you might not even know, yeah exactly, because they might just crawl 122 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,639 on you and bite you and they're so little that you might wake up but 123 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,000 not realize that something bit you. Yep. So or I just think like, 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,519 oh, I got bit by a bug or something like, not even 125 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,399 consider it exactly. And there's different strains of rabies, so they're at least 126 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:16,000 in the Northeast, there's raccoon rabies and then there is bat rabies. So 127 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:20,480 I work with raccoon rabies because we're working to eliminate it completely because we actually 128 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,600 have already eliminated canine rabies from the US. Yeah, that's why it's illegal 129 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,720 to not vaccinate your dog every year because that's how we got rid of canine 130 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,879 rabies. Yeah, I don't know if anyone's ever been like, nah, 131 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,840 I don't believe in that raby's vaccine because it's like, oh, it will 132 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,960 kill. There's only one person who's ever survived rabies and they had to put 133 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,840 her in a coma for a long time. Is she like a superhuman now 134 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,279 or is she like superman? No, but she didn't go on to have 135 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,879 kids, so like, yeah, so she it worked out for her. 136 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,200 But yeah, she's the only person that's ever happened to So, but canine 137 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,159 rabies is still a huge thing in other countries, like I know India, 138 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,879 so many people die a year from canine rabies. Like it's no joke if 139 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:05,200 it's so many wild dogs out there and they're all rabid. Yeah, so 140 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,759 fun fact, let's back up. So dogs used to just run loose and 141 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:15,399 packs around Boston and this does tie into coyotes, I promise. Eventually there 142 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,960 was a huge rabies outbreak in Boston with dogs, so canine rabies and there 143 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,480 were so many of them, super hard to avoid, just random dogs in 144 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,879 the street, you know. So that's really when we first came up with 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,679 the current leash laws that we have, where you know, you have to 146 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,639 keep your dog in a leash and under your control, keep it in your 147 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,080 yard, whatever. So that all started in Boston because of canine rabies. 148 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,399 But when we decided that to keep our dogs, you know, close to 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,440 our house in our backyards on leashes, and there were no more roaming packs 150 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,200 of wild dogs, that's when coyotes moved into cities. We mentioned in the 151 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,600 last episode that there's bounties out for coyotes in some states still to this day. 152 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,960 And when I think of bounties being placed on animals, I think of 153 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,120 states out wet or down south. Yeah, but I guess it actually started 154 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,120 in New England as early as like the sixteen hundreds, because if you're not 155 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,720 familiar with New England the northeastern United States, the primary big predator we have 156 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,639 is coyotes, Like that's pretty much it. Black bears, they're not really 157 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,639 considered a predator. And another thing I wanted to mention that we didn't mention 158 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,480 the first coyote episode, just to show you how much we hate coyotes, 159 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,759 or at least used to. Yale did a poll back in the nineteen eighties 160 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,240 about public perception about a bunch of different animals, and coyotes were dead last, 161 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:41,039 and this pole included rattlesnakes, rats, cockroaches, vultures, like people 162 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 hated them so much. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't 163 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:46,799 understand why people. It doesn't make sense to me either. I mean, 164 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:52,799 rabies is scary, and I can understand being afraid of that, But there's 165 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,840 so many animals that are rabies vectors, so I guess for more information here, 166 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,039 rabies only affects mammals, so bats are mammals. There's a bat strain, 167 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,960 raccoons, The raccoons strain. Coyotes, foxes, skunks, rodents can 168 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,440 get rabies, but they tend to not survive long enough to pass it on. 169 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:15,399 Makes sense, Yeah, And the thing with rabies is that there's a 170 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,840 lot of contradictory symptoms. So some animals might act drunk and like stumble, 171 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,600 and then some might not present any symptoms at all. Some things might be 172 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:30,519 afraid of people, and some might go towards people, yeah, attack them 173 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,919 and cars and other dogs. Yeah, exactly. And I think something that's 174 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,240 really cool that I learned So there's this podcast called This Podcast Will Kill You 175 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:41,919 and it's all about diseases, and they have an episode about rabies. I 176 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,440 believe it's their fourteenth episode. If you're interested in learning more, go check 177 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,240 it out. They do a fantastic job. So have you ever heard that 178 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,480 a symptom of rabies is being afraid of water? No? Yeah, that's 179 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,799 a common symptom that people are usually familiar with. And if you listen to 180 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,519 that podcast, they'll tell you it's not that they're afraid of water. It's 181 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,639 that the rabies virus when an animal is affected, makes it extremely painful to 182 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,799 swallow. Really, they're afraid to like drink and swallow. Wow. Yeah, 183 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,080 do you want to know why? Yes? I do. Okay, 184 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,919 So I'll start this with a question. Do you know how rabies is spread 185 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,440 from animal to animal? I don't. I'm gonna guess through saliva. Yeah, 186 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,279 yeah, I should know more concidering how long we've been talking. Yeah, 187 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,840 Or it's if you have like an open wound and you touch an infected 188 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:31,480 animal and somehow, like part of its bodily fluids get into you through your 189 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:35,559 wound. So that's why I also don't handle animals. Without gloves on, 190 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,919 because that'll typically be an exposure. I once had to tell a man who 191 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,279 buried a baby fox with his bare hands that he had to go get shots, 192 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,200 so nice. Yeah, it was a terrible day, and then I 193 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,679 couldn't test for rabies as a whole thing. But anyways, it's so interesting. 194 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:54,360 The rabies virus collects in your salivary glands in your mouth, like that's 195 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,399 where they multiply the most. Really, so this virus makes it hard to 196 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,120 swallow, because if you swallowed a lot, you would dilute the virus from 197 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:07,240 your mouth. How the hell does a virus do this to like not just 198 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,440 one animal, but like to all of them, all the mammals, Like, 199 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,240 how the hell does it do that? It's horrifying. But isn't it 200 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,759 like objectively cool that a virus figure that out? Yeah, it's extremely cool. 201 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:20,480 Yeah, and horrifying viruses will be the downfall of us. But yeah, 202 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,000 so that's kind of how that works. And like I said before, 203 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,799 it kind of centralizes in the brain, so it truly is like a psychological 204 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,679 virus, like it affects their brain chemistry. Whereas I think a lot of 205 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,960 people when they see an animal with mange sometimes get confused and think it also 206 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,960 has rabies, which it could, but mange doesn't affect their brain necessarily. 207 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,759 Are you familiar with mange? I just know it's a kind of a skin 208 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,919 condition or a parasite, I think, yeah, So it's almost like having 209 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,919 fleas. It's a mite, and the most common mange is sarcoptic mange, 210 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,399 So that's the little mite that gets on you whatever. Essentially, the mites 211 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,799 get on an animal, they reproduce, reproduce, reproduce, and unlike, 212 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,200 which are just really itchy. And yeah, if you have a lot of 213 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,960 fleas, it can do a lot of damage. But mites, it makes 214 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,159 all the hair fall off and it gets their skin all crusty and gross. 215 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:11,799 So I've had to deal with mange quite a bit too, just at the 216 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,039 work locations of them at sometimes and it eventually starts to crust over their eyes 217 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,879 if it gets really bad. Yeah, So either the poor animal dies of 218 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,559 exposure because all their furs gone, so they can't, you know, stay 219 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,279 warm. Yeah, exactly, they can't regulate the same way they used to. 220 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,919 If it starts to cover their eyes, they also can't hunt. And 221 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,200 then also they're so itchy all the time. They spend so much time scratching 222 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,559 themselves. They're also not sleeping as much. Yep, they really can't hunt 223 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,480 as much. So I had this really unfortunate thing where, if you saw 224 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,879 me on Twitter a few months ago, I was posting about this young fox 225 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,279 I was trying to catch because it was alone. But then I did spot 226 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,080 an adult, but she had mange pretty bad, and there were three other 227 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,559 fox kids. I was only able to trap one and bring it to a 228 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,600 rehabber, but all the other kids died because the mother had mange so bad 229 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,519 that she literally just couldn't take care of them. Yeah, so that's pretty 230 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,000 bad. But that doesn't affect their brains so much as it makes them really 231 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,559 desperate. So sometimes they'll approach people just because they're literally dying and need food 232 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:11,200 and water and whatever. So that's really unfortunate. But oh boy, do 233 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:18,919 I have a fun story about mange and coyotes. So another story from Dan 234 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Flores's Coyote America book. I'm going to read a quote from James Galen, 235 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,639 who used to be Glacier National Park superintendent. In nineteen thirteen. This guy 236 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:37,840 got super excited about killing off predators with biological warfare. So James Galen wrote 237 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,240 to the State Veterinarian and said, and I quote, I am desirous of 238 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,240 inoculating with Mange some coyotes to turn loose here in the park, with the 239 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,519 idea that I may eventually kill off all the coyotes in the park in this 240 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,840 manner. I don't understand why. So Montana was like hell yeah, brother, 241 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:03,360 and gave them two Mange coyotes and let them loose, And then eventually 242 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,559 Congress was like, nah, what if we just use poison. Oh that's 243 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,000 great. So that's how that all happened. From the last episode, I 244 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,240 still want to know why, like what this guy was doing that was so 245 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,440 bad to this national park where they were like I got rid of all of 246 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,120 them. That's the night we just hated predators. Something I just don't understand. 247 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,240 And people go to Yellstone, who see the predators that's a whole purpose 248 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:27,960 of it. Yeah, now they do. Yeah, I guess we're not 249 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,759 not as affected by them as much anymore. But still it's just it's had 250 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,919 wild to me. Well, part of the reason that is that we're not 251 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,519 so against them anymore is there's this man named Aldo Leopold. He's a very 252 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,600 famous ecologist. He wrote the Sand County Almanac, which is a really famous 253 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:51,080 book if you're into nature and environmentalism and whatnot. He was the first person 254 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,799 who realized that killing predators wasn't a great thing. No, or maybe even 255 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,000 if he wasn't the first person who realized it, he was the first person 256 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,359 who vocalized about it to like the American populace and wrote about it, because 257 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,160 he was like, huh, you know, there's all these predators here, 258 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,880 and we came over here and murdered all of them because we thought they would 259 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,000 kill off all the things we wanted to hunt. But I guess they all 260 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,359 lived here for hundreds of years before that and didn't kill off all the elk 261 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,839 and weird hear, and it's like, wow, crazy, right, It's 262 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,359 almost like we have no idea what we're doing, and we still don't. 263 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,559 Yeah, of course not. We were all clueless. Do you know what 264 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,599 year he started, you know, voicing his opinions on that nineteen twenties, 265 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,160 So that wasn't that long ago. That was only one hundred years ago. 266 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:40,480 Yeah, isn't that scary a little bit? What are some signs of an 267 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:42,559 animal being rabid, like, other than approaching people, Like, are there 268 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,559 things that you should look out for, like I said before, you know, 269 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:48,599 stumbling, drunk like behavior, those are things. But once again, 270 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,839 that can be a little tricky too, because if you see an animal who 271 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 was just hit by a car, then they're stumbling. They might just have 272 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,680 a broken leg, yeah, or concussion or something. Yeah, So that's 273 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,440 when it can get a little confusing. Seeing animals during the day not a 274 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,920 sign of having rabies. A lot of animals come out during the day to 275 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,160 hang out, Like even owls come out during the day and they can't get 276 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,039 rabies because they're not mammals, so like they just kind of do what they 277 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,319 want. You know. People see bears out during the day and get nervous 278 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,720 sometimes too, But these animals are way smarter than we give them credit for. 279 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,440 And if there's a food source that's only available during the day, like 280 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,000 your bird feeder, if you take it in at nighttime, they'll just come 281 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,160 out during the day. Yep. So that's kind of a big one. 282 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,599 You know, just because it's out during the day doesn't mean they're rabid. 283 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,240 However, usually if you see a bat out during the day, that's not 284 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:34,880 a great sign. Okay, that's when you should avoid. Yes, especially 285 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,720 if the bat is on the ground. Don't touch it, okay, just 286 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:42,039 like put something over it, take it somewhere to somebody. Not great. 287 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Hey, Ashley, can you chop off this bat's brain for me? Oh 288 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,839 god, I've never done a bat. That's actually surprising. Yeah, I've 289 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:56,160 done mostly like raccoons, bobcats, foxes, skunks. So cool. What 290 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,480 animals can and can't get it? I know you called it raccoon rabies, 291 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,880 but is that like the only raccoons can get That was just what they call 292 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,759 the type for all those small mammals. Yeah, well that's where it's confusing. 293 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,480 So it's called raccoon rabies, but any mammal can get it, like 294 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:17,039 literally anyone, any mammal. So I can go throw a rabbid raccoon at 295 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:18,400 a whale and the whale will get rabies. Is that how it works? 296 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,200 Oh my god, Me and my coworkers have talked about that so much in 297 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:26,200 theory. Yes, you could give like a seal rabies. That's so interesting 298 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,680 and I don't want it to happen. No me either, I see you 299 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,680 winking at me. Oh no, no, no, no, no, 300 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,480 no, not me, No, that would be That would be crazy. 301 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,799 Though. Can you imagine finding like a rabbit dolphin like just like swimming out 302 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,640 and make the Florida keys and you're like, oh, cute a dolphin and 303 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,799 it starts like attacking you. Yeah. I can't do a dolphin dolls. 304 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:59,319 So that again again, Oh boy, do you know what sounded dolphin mix? 305 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:04,960 Do? I just can't make it? Oh God, So what's worse? 306 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:12,079 So what's worse? So stupid? So raccoon rabies is just I think 307 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,839 that's just the first animal they discovered it in and that's what they call it. 308 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,240 Okay, but but this is exciting. There's vampire bat rabies, specifically 309 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,319 for vampire bats. I guess I should say, like vampire bats can get 310 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,839 rabies, Okay, And obviously that's horrifying because their whole mode of eating is 311 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,599 drinking blood, biting things. Yeah, so if vampire bats get into because 312 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,839 right now they're really encroaching on the United States, but they're not really here 313 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,480 yet. Well, they're just down in Mexico or yes, Okay, so 314 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:51,400 it'll be very scary if they get here because in the southern parts of the 315 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:52,680 US. Well, I mean, it's a huge problem all over the US, 316 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,839 but specifically in the South we have feral swine. Yeah, so massive 317 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:04,680 big old page that are aggressive, nasty. Yes, and vampire bats feed 318 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,440 on farrel swine if they can. Yeah, that'd be a good place to 319 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,680 go for it, and they group up, so it would be real gnarly 320 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,519 if they came up here and passed on rabies to feral swine. I also 321 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:19,359 know that there's mongoose rabies, a strain of that in Puerto Rico. That's 322 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:25,039 pretty gnarly right now too, So yeah, so there's different strains. Any 323 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,079 male can get it in theory. Yes, also the marine mammals. But 324 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,240 raccoon rabies is really just a thing on the East coast right now because some 325 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,319 jackwagon took a raccoon from Florida and hiked it up north up here and brought 326 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,640 rabies here. And that's another reason why we don't enjoy people relocating wildlife, 327 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,480 because you might be transferring rabies. He just like befriended a rabid raccoon, 328 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:49,519 and like, how do you hike with a raccoon without being a friend? 329 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:55,079 Oh? I met he like trapped a raccoon and like drove it or flow. 330 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,599 Oh okay, I thought you said hike. He hiked it up literally, 331 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:00,720 like up the appalation trail. I was like, no, that would 332 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:04,559 be wild. No, it was wild in the sense that he brought a 333 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,599 whole new strain of rabies to a place where it didn't exist before. Yeah, 334 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,240 that's a bit unfortunate for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, So that's why 335 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:18,319 we discourage people from relocating wildlife because a lot of people have no idea where 336 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,000 rabies is located and where it's not and what strains are are not. What 337 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,039 would a human with rabies kind of like be showing what signs would a person 338 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:29,839 have? Yeah, so similar symptoms, right, So foaming at the mouth 339 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,039 is a big one because, like we were talking about, the rabies really 340 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,160 collects in your salivary glands, so it causes you to excessively salivate. So 341 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,920 foaming at the mouth is a thing for animals, but also people will do 342 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:45,519 it, and also people will bite other people if they have rabies. It's 343 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,880 like a zombie virus. It is the closest thing we have to zombies. 344 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,039 Yes, that's pretty cool. It's horrifying, but it's objectively very cool. 345 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Is objectively objectively of course, very cool. Yeah. Oh, but the 346 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,400 confusing thing about rabies too is that you can be bitten and it might take 347 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,039 a while for the symptoms to show up. So like, you could be 348 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,000 bitten and it can lay dormant in you, and like two years later you 349 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,960 could start foam at the mouth, and when you start presenting symptoms for rabies, 350 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,359 it's too late. So it's important if you get bitten to get the 351 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,519 shots right away because if those symptoms start to develop, you're already on. 352 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480 If you get bit and you wait like a couple of weeks, is that 353 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,960 going to be too late? Is the virus already in you? Like? 354 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,200 Will the vaccine kill it? If it's already in you? I'm not like 355 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,680 a disease biologist, but the theory is like, if you are not presenting 356 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,039 symptoms yet, get your shot, if you were suspected of being bitten, 357 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,920 But if you're showing symptoms, the SHOT's not gonna do shit and you're gonna 358 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,400 die. Gotcha, plain and simple, one hundred percent of mortality, right, 359 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,920 I remember you're telling me this or ninety nine point nine ninety nine because 360 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,119 that one late, lad, Yeah, exactly, So you could have been 361 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,319 bitten by a bat that you picked up to put outside and two years later 362 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:00,839 kick the bucket. So if there's a bat in your house, how would 363 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,200 you suggest to remove it safely? You know what's ironic? I was looking 364 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,440 at my Snapchat memories and exactly one year ago I had a bat in my 365 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,440 house. Crazy And it's really funny because here I am a wildlife biologist who 366 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,440 used to do public presentations with a live bat, and I literally just put 367 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,039 a blanket over my head. Someone else deal with this. That sounds like 368 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,799 you. Yeah, it does. Open a door to any room that has 369 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:32,319 windows, get the bat in there, somehow shut the door, or okay, 370 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,119 before he shut the bat in the room, open all the windows in 371 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,160 that room. Make sure that there's no screens in the windows so the bat 372 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,960 can fly out. Shut the door, leave the bat inside there and it'll 373 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,759 fly out on its on. Okay, that's a pretty easy thing to do. 374 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,119 Yeah, it works really well. The only tricky thing is if the 375 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200 bat's been in your house for a long time, it lives there now, 376 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,160 well, no, it starts to get weaker because they eat ten thousand insects 377 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,519 in one night. Yeah, so they eat a lot because they have a 378 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,160 quick tabolism. So if they're not eating and they're stuck in your house for 379 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000 two days, they're probably gonna get really weak and be like on the floor. 380 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,279 So yeah, rabies, man, it's scary. Yeah. I also 381 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,920 have a raby shot for other reasons. Don't know why I had to get 382 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,680 it. So it's a rabbit. We're not the rabbit. But like all 383 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240 the raccoons that were around your dumpster at the time, I'm sure health that 384 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,960 we had several raccoon interactions. I don't know if you'd label them as a 385 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,359 tax probably could, but they were interactions for sure. Did they bite you 386 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,519 not me? No? Oh that's good. Yeah I was. I was 387 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,400 too quick for him. I'm an athlete. Didn't one fight like a trash 388 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,160 bag that you were taking out? Yes? I did have to hit one 389 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,640 with a trash bag and run away after the bag was torn apart. Oh 390 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,960 my god, they were bad. They were really cool. Wow that sounds 391 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,799 snarly, but yeah, so you know, in my work with rabi's I 392 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,119 also, like you mentioned the last episode how you were like, oh, 393 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,039 who drops rabies vaccines from airplanes? That is the thing I've done. That 394 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,000 is the thing you've done. Yes, So there is efforts to vaccinate wildlife 395 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,839 from the eastern seaboard of the United States because we're trying to eliminate raccoon rabies, 396 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,400 So how can you get a vaccination through a pill? Like, why 397 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,079 don't we just do that for people? I've had a lot of people ask 398 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,079 me that. Like I had some really old man get really close to my 399 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,480 face and ask me that once and like spit all over my face as he 400 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,079 was chewing skittles. It was really unpleasant, but I'll never forget it. 401 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,240 And he was like, Wow, I can't I just take my dog's rabies 402 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,880 vaccine and get vaccinated. It's because we don't need it. Yeah, how 403 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,640 many of us never interact with rabies in our lifetime? Probably majority of us. 404 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,599 Yeah, yeah, hopefully no one has to interact with it exactly. 405 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,640 But if you're a wild life professional and you handle animals, then it makes 406 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,160 sense. It's called pre exposure prophylaxis. Those are the shots that you get 407 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,279 before you're exposed, just to keep you safe. And it's just like not 408 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,680 a necessary thing. Since we eliminate canine rabies, that's really the animal you'd 409 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,240 probably get it from the most yeap since you have to get the shot anyway 410 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,920 after you get a bit like you specifically, what does the vaccine do for 411 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,400 or does it extend the amount of time you have before the virus would become 412 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,640 lethal. Does it possibly just eliminate it completely, But you go get the 413 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,720 shots anyway. So your pre exposure shots are basically to buy you time if 414 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,359 you do get exposed, and give time for that animal to be tested by 415 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,160 the health department to see if you would have to get those additional shots, 416 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,519 because once again they're expensive, they can be painful, So just kind of 417 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,799 to buy you time. Because if I'm working and i have a dead animal 418 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,000 in front of me, and I'm wearing gloves, but I scratched through those 419 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,640 gloves and there's some remnants of blood, that's considered an exposure, so I'd 420 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,279 have to go get the extra shots after if the animal was to test positive. 421 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,960 So the gentleman who was at the beginning this episode who was attacked with 422 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,559 his family, I'm assuming he was okay. Yeah, all the injuries are 423 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,839 probably relatively minor compared to other things we talked about. Oh yeah, especially 424 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,039 compared to the last episode. The guy who like got what looked like knife 425 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,839 slashes all over his face. Yeah, so ian O'Reilly was fine. I 426 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,200 don't even know if his two year old son needed the vaccines because he technically 427 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,279 wasn't bitten. It was just his jacket. But yes, so the father 428 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,039 did get the shots and he's perfectly fine. Yea. And if you're out 429 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:04,720 on a hike and you think you may be being approached by a rabit animal, 430 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,880 what would you suggest we do? Yeah, great question. See, 431 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,200 the hard thing with rabies is that they're not acting normally. Yeah, you 432 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,279 can't really scare it off the way you would. Yeah, it's you know, 433 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,880 if an animal's approaching you and it has rabies, clearly doesn't have a 434 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,359 fear of people. So I would suggest to try to back away as much 435 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,799 as you can. If you can get like a big stick to try to 436 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,480 poke it away from you, that'd be great. But yeah, that's a 437 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,839 hard one because they're not in a right state of mind. So if you 438 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,079 could call somebody, that would be great. It depends on the ant, 439 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,440 Like if it's a if it's a rabid skunk, then you could easily run 440 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960 away from a skunk or a raccoon, But if it's a coyote or something, 441 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,079 it's a little harder. Oh. Also another thing, just as a 442 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,960 caveat, so skunks. A lot of people assume skunks are also a rabid 443 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,960 because skunks will sometimes approach people. Skunks are just chill. There's so many 444 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,359 cases of people petting skunks because they thought it was their cat. Because skunks, 445 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,559 no, you're not going to try to eat them. The only thing 446 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,200 that really eats skunks regularly are great horn owls because they don't have a good 447 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,559 sense of smell, so they can't smell have terrible skunk smell. Yeah. 448 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,319 Also they're badasses. They don't care. Ye deliat anything. Do your best 449 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,400 to just avoid an animal you suspect to be rabbit. Any interaction you we 450 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,119 have with wild animal, probably talk to someone and see if you should get 451 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:19,440 a RABI shot. Yes, if you physically interact with any animal that is 452 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,759 acting funky to you in some way, definitely talk to your healthcare provider. 453 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,279 I am not a doctor, talk to them. If you suspect an animal 454 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:32,759 has rabies, call your local Honestly, if it's really acting sick, I 455 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,880 would call your local PD, just because I know state wildlife agencies like it's 456 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,200 harder to get a hold of them and get a good response time, so 457 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,640 your local PD will be more helpful. And they're the ones who can discharge 458 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 a firearm, so they can help you out. Yeah if it needs to 459 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,799 be put down, Yeah, if it's really bad. So do you remember 460 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,160 a few months ago the rabbit bobcat that attacked that woman in their driveway? 461 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,039 Oh yeah, there was a video of it, right, yes, So 462 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,960 this woman. For those of you who didn't see it, or for those 463 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,880 of you who did, here's a recap. The woman and her husband are 464 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,839 walking out their house. She's carrying a carrier which I think had a cat 465 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,799 in it, honestly, and you just hear this whow and no woman scoops, 466 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,039 Oh my god, and this bobcat just climbs up her leg and is 467 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:21,119 attacking her. So the husband drops his tray of brownies, runs over to 468 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:26,119 the other side of the car, and then comes around holding a bobcat above 469 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:32,400 his head and chucks that thing like he's throwing in a soccer ball into a 470 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960 game, like it is wild. And there were so many people I saw 471 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 on Twitter who were like, Oh, he really didn't have to throw it 472 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,279 like that, And I'm like, bitch joking have you never been around a 473 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:47,720 cat? My cat, she's like seven pounds. They're so gnarly. Bobcats. 474 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,319 Yeah, she's really messed me up sometimes. So like a bobcat, 475 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,559 which is upwards of twenty pounds, and also one that has rabies, so 476 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,480 it's constantly coming after you. Absolutely not. So that guy ended up shooting 477 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,680 the animal, which was the right way to go because it did have rabies. 478 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240 Yep. I feel bad because there's not a lot of great information besides 479 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,960 stay up to date on rabid animal cases or suspected animal rabbit animal cases in 480 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,319 your town if you can so. I again, I think the best thing 481 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,440 we can do is if we have a physical interaction with an animal, we 482 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,599 should go get the vaccine. Go get vaccine, to talk to a doctor, 483 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,759 doesn't matter, YEA. Even if you aren't sure for it's act and 484 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,200 weird, it's still better to be safe because, like you said, it 485 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,680 is one hundred percent fatality rate, and there are reports that come out every 486 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,920 year for rabid animal cases in your state. So buy your state health department 487 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,640 typically, so if you can get the information, get it, just see 488 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,480 if it's around you. Because in New Hampshire, for example, we have 489 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,160 rabies in southern New Hampshire but not northern New Hampshire. So my whole job 490 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,359 is, Yeah, that's why I go and look for road kill up north, 491 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,759 because I'm looking for rabies cases. You don't care about finding them down 492 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,599 south because you know it's there, so you're trying to make sure it's not 493 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,279 spreading exactly. So you know, when I heard about the coyote case in 494 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,279 Kensington, that's not a surprise because we knew rabies was there. Yep. 495 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,839 So cool. Well, I think that about wraps this episode up. I 496 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880 just I kind of just wanted to cover rabies because I think it's super interesting. 497 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,319 I think it's a very important thing to cover too with a podcast like 498 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,599 this. Yeah, and I could probably talk about rabies for a long long 499 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,279 time, but in the interest of keeping our episodes within a certain timeframe, 500 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,559 I say we cut it short. But if you ever have any questions, 501 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,400 once again, check out that podcast. This podcast will kill you. They 502 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,839 have a fantastic rabies episode. If you have any questions about rabies and wildlife, 503 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,559 feel free to reach out. I'm happy to chat about it. You 504 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,880 can reach us at get Out a Live podcast at gmail dot com. You 505 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,400 can find us on Instagram at get Out a Live Pod. You can find 506 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,880 me on Twitter at the Angry Ologist. You can reach me through Ashley's social 507 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,920 media. She will be my assistant. Find us on Facebook get Out a 508 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,359 Live Podcast. Nick will respond to your things there, right, Nick, 509 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,359 I mean what everyone's asking QUESTIONNS like. Also, apparently I need to get 510 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,319 clearance to make sure that our responses are appropriate. Yeah, we went over 511 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,680 this. You can't say an animal has a big but DOC to a random 512 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,119 person, but she did. That's okay, we can keep it to ourselves 513 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,240 next time. Fine. Anyways, thank you so much for joining us. 514 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,039 This was our first two parter. The first step was quite different from this 515 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,759 app to try to make it a little less controversial and possibly try to make 516 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,039 it more disease focused, because I think I'm sure there'll be cases that come 517 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,680 in the future of animals that have Rabi's and we can chat more about specific 518 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,400 things then. But if anything comes up that we haven't touched on in this 519 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,640 episode, Yeah, this is a actively flowing and in production podcast, So 520 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,160 things pop up tomorrow, we'll probably talk about it next week. Yeah. 521 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:52,640 And also we got our first sticker samples yesterday. Today they look so good. 522 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,160 Our patreon members have already seen them and given us advice and feedback, 523 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,759 which has been great. You can become a patron of ours on dot com 524 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,599 slash get Out a Live Podcast. There's also a button on our website get 525 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,680 Out a Live Podcast dot com where you can join our patreon. But and 526 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,840 that's where you get to you know, get different benefits for different tiers, 527 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,400 so you can vote on episodes, see these stickers, get discounts on all 528 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,800 of our merch that's going to come out, So check it out. We 529 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,400 would appreciate it. And also I have a lot of ideas for bonus episodes 530 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,639 that I would really love to do, Like we could do more episodes like 531 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,440 this and make them bonus episodes. So I joined our patreon. We'll do 532 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,199 more of those. They might look a little different from the episodes we do 533 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,119 on our main feed. It might be more like, you know, wildlife 534 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,840 attacks in the news this week, or debating which animals are most deadly, 535 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,000 which ones we could take in a fight. Yeah, because uh, that's 536 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,880 what the world needs is more white guys talking about what they could fight. 537 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:51,119 There's probably not many, to be fair. Thank you so much for joining 538 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,880 us for this weird little episode seven of get o A Live We love you 539 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,880 and we will see you next Wednesday for a new animal attack story.