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Welcome to the USA Think Tank Crazier
with your host Alejandrolo. Hon Hello and

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welcome. The intro. My music
is I like it. It's groovy,

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but it does sound kind of serious. You know. When I was listening

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to it just now it sounds like
I should be answering Hello. This is

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all one hundred less and welcome to
uf HO dink Tank. Instead of the

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way I usually do it, which
is hello and welcome. Do you have

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think Tank Radio? This is all
humbro. I like the second way better,

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honestly, and it demonstrates the excitement
that I have towards speaking with you

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all every time. And I am
excited to talk on this subject, to

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talk to some of my good friends
about some of the cool stuff going on

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in this field, and that includes
you, all of you wonderful listeners.

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Welcome. So today's guest speaking of
good friends is George Weiler. He is

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a retired major for the Air Force. He was in the Air Force Intelligence

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and some people will say that,
well, that means you can't trust anything.

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This guy's got to say he's got
to be one of the behind the

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scenes secret keepers. No, actually
that's not the case. Actually he does

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a UFO newsletter email newsletter that he
sounds sends around pretty much on a weekly

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basis. He's been doing this for
a very long time. Very cool guy.

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In fact, I'm really excited that
I've been able to make a friend

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out of mister Filer because he was
one of the people that I was really

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impressed with on the Disclosure Project.
He was one of the witnesses that came

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forward in May of twenty two thousand
and one for doctor Stephen Greer's Disclosure Project

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at the Washington Press Club, which, as many of you know, got

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me really involved with this stuff.
That was the moment where I was just

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like, I'm ready to jump in, let's do this. And that's when

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I decided, you know, to
get out there and try to get this

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information going. So it was very
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this guy comes out, George Biler, looks like a nice guy, He's

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got a nice suit on. He
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way, but with his sense of
humor. He cracks a couple jokes that,

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of course the crowd was really serious, as if they had just listened

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to the intro to this show.
They're just like oh, into good information

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here. I gotta be very you
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that you know Filer was cracking any
disrespectful jokes, but he cracks a couple

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of jokes, and they just weren't
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just kind of in the moved to
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But I thought that was kind of
neat because I chuckled when he made these

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jokes, even though I don't think
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I wasn't there, unfortunately, wish
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just really I thought, this is
a cool dude. I really like this

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guy. So the first time I
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he is a MoveOn Section director for
the northeastern part of the United States of

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America, not just a section director
for a state like I am. I'm

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actually, I don't know if I
think I've mentioned, I'm a state director

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section director for part of Arizona,
big part from here on south. But

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so he's got the whole Northeast there, and he's been a big influence on

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me and others, and he's done
a lot in this field. Why was

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he so important that he got to
speak at the National Press Club is probably

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what some of you are thinking,
And that would be a wonderful question that

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I'm more than happy to answer for
you right now. And the answer to

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that would be that when he was
in the Air Force, he was on

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an eight Air Force tanker over the
UK. This is a while ago.

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This was probably we'll ask because I
can't remember. I think it's even like

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the sixties and he's on the tanker
over the UK when they said, hey,

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we're getting some weird UFO. We're
getting some weird radar blip. Can

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you guys go check that out?
They fly to it. There's this large

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object they see boom flies away at
extraordinary speed. More interesting. And to

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get the details on the second one, which are really great, you're going

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to have to really listen to the
last radio show I had with George Pyler

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on because we spoke in detail about
Fort Dix when he was asked to brief

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some generals. He comes to work
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It's like, what's going on?
They say, well, there's some

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aliens running around on the base and
he's like, oh my gosh, how

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did some illegal aliens get on the
base. You know, he goes in

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and they're like, yeah, some
crazy happened and you're going to have to

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brief the generals on it. He's
like, what do you mean, Well,

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there was a spacecraft that landed on
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tried to run away, we gunned
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got a brief general so and he's
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think so, because of course he
didn't want to lose his job and be

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marked his insant. He didn't want
that reputation as a looney, and so

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he didn't see this ordeal happen.
But this is what he was told,

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and of course he believes that that's
what happened. And both of these incredible

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occurrences have inspired him to get very
involved with all of this, especially since

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his retirement, and he spends a
lot of time. So I'm very happy

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to have him on the show.
And he's actually going to be live just

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so you know, I'm going to
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here. And as you know,
when I dial, like try to do

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a little dial music. I'll come
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you know, my guests didn't come
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a busy guy, and I won't
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to fill back because I know it
wasn't intentional. Even if it was,

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you know me, I'm not like
a trash talker. I don't know what

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that's called. I know a flaming
is like online, but what's it.

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I don't know what it's called.
When he just talked trash about somebody,

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he's straight. It's probably straight something
because in the street everything's like straight.

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You know this or that. I'm
straight UFO talking. It's what I'm doing

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now. That's what we're gonna keep
doing. But anyways, George came on

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on some last minute stuff and so
we'll have it on mind. Very very

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exciting, as you all know.
Maybe I should call this the very Exciting

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UFO Show, because at least,
if nobody else is, at least I'm

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excited about all of this stuff.
And another thing that I'm very excited about,

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of course, it's a conference that
I'm putting together called the Cosmic Exploration

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Conference, which is going to have
a bunch of very critible speakers, some

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mainstream media, some scientists, some
professors, all getting together to talk about

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the mysteries of space, including extraterrestrials
and UFOs. So many of you are

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going, wait, hey, hold
it, buddy, they're called UFOs because

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they're unidentified. How do you know
they're extraterrestrial. The answer to that is,

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I personally don't. Of course,
people do believe that, and I

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think that that's most likely the best
theory. They call it the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

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In fact, we'll have Chris O'Brien
on soon. I just saw him

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do a talk about alternatives to the
extraterrestrial hypothesis. Okay, if these advanced

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technologies that we're saying don't come from
another planet, where do they come from?

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Smart guy? That's what I'm gonna
tell Chrish. Smart guy, and

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he's a smart guy, and he's
gonna give us some answers. So we'll

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talk about that in a while.
But you've got a good point there.

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I don't know that they're extra treastural. That's not the point. The point

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is that that's a great theory and
it's the best hypothesis I think right now

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that they are extraterrestural. So,
of course, the search for extraterrestural life

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is such a big deal. It's
in the news all the time. Mass

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is talking about it, said,
he's talking about it. Everybody's talking about

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it. So let's talk about it. So let's you know, put uupos

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in there because it makes sense because
if we are searching for extraterreustural life,

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Okay, let's say we find it. Let's say we find it on Mars,

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which is not out of the question. We're finding water and all this

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stuff. Let's say we find on
the Moon. The Moon's got water.

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People, if you haven't noticed,
hello, So if there is life on

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the Moon, on the very next
chunk of rock and space next to us,

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that makes it fairly certain at least
increases the chances that life is all

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over the place. If life is
all over the place, then it's even

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more likely that advanced intelligent life forms
have also developed. Would we consider ourselves

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advanced intelligent life forms? Advanced?
Yeah, look at the iPhone. It's

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pretty cool. That's advanced intelligent.
I don't know, but anyway, we'll

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discuss whether it's out there. You
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Let's bring some of those scientists to
talk about it. Let's throw in

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the mixed to UFO deal, see
what people think. A lots of these

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scientists believe in UFOs and think there's
something to it, which makes sense.

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People say, scientists aren't into this
stuff. Yes they are, they're talking

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about it all the time. It's
just when they're talking about it, they're

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huddled in the corner of a dark
closet with the door closed and a lighter

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because they are too embarrassed to tell
the public that they're into this stuff,

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because they don't want people to look
at them. Funny, you and I

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we don't care look at us.
Funny, what do I care? You

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know? But no, seriously,
there are some scientists that aren't afraid to

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come out of the closet, as
the saying goes, and talk about this

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stuff and say, yeah, there's
something to this. Mitchell Cock, who's

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talking about it all the time,
we talked about this, We talked about

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Mitchello talking about this. One of
these scientists is Ben McGhee, who's going

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to be on the Chasing UFO's television
show for National Geographic and that starts next

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weekend. I finally got a iowe
up for him on the Cosmic Explorations website.

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You will find that very impressive.
He has a aerospace consultant company that

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he is the founder and leaked scientist
for. He's done a lot of cool

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stuff. You can read about it
at Cosmicdhexplorations dot com or just go to

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UFO Daily News dot com. You'll
find a link at the top of the

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screen. Or I also have the
domain cosmicex dot com, just one that's

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a little shorter and they help you
get there. So Ben mcke's coming,

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that's really cool. Also, I
got an email from a professor at the

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University of California Davis. Turns out
the University of California Berkeley nearby are the

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people who are kind of working with
SETI search for extratrustural intelligence, and so

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does doctor Albert Harrison. He actually
gave us talk at the British Royal Society

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and twenty ten. He is in
sociology and psychology. Very very exciting,

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and he says he would be delighted
to speak at the conference, so he

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will be there. What's exciting about
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people I have contacted, you know, and I'm thinking, man, this

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person is a professor. They're really
cool. They have some incredible stuff to

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talk about. I hope that they'll
say yes. They are very enthusiastic about

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the idea of speaking with other credible
people and with other university professors and things

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like that. I mean, so, if nothing else, the speakers are

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really excited about all of this,
and me of course, so I'm really

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happy that he's going to be able
to join us. He talks about extraterrestrial

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life, of course, and what
people think about it. He talks about

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SETI. He talked about the prolonged
effect of working and living in space on

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humans, on the psychological effects,
and this is particularly interesting. I think

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he feels he feels that the public
opinion on UFOs is going to have an

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effect on the type of contact that
we have. He feels that we will

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have contact with extradustrial civilizations, and
our view on UFOs and all of this

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is going to have an impact on
that communication when it happens. How interesting

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is that? Terribly interesting? So
of course you want to get seats.

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And here's another reason why you want
to go register sooner than later. I

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only have limited seating for the banquet
where you get to have dinner with all

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of these cool dudes and it's I
think it's going to start to blow up

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where the seats are going to go
pretty quick in the next month. And

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here's why I'm actually posting a Kickstarter
for this UFO Kickstarter. I don't know

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if there's ever been a UFO project
put up on Kickstart. Probably there has,

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I don't know about it. It
hasn't made the UFO news rounds as

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far as I know. Anyway,
because I don't know any better, I'll

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just play them and call this the
first, the first Kickstarter UFO project.

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I got a Kickstarter ready to go. There's of course different paperwork, sign

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whatever that you got to get done, and that's going to be done very

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soon. In fact, this thing
could be up as soon as tomorrow or

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the next day, certainly this week. And so what I'm doing here is

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the conference is going to happen.
I don't need Kickstarter money for that.

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But here's what I'd like to do. We're bringing all of these wonderful speakers

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to talk about these cool subjects.
I would like to tape them. I

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would like to provide people the ability
to buy DVDs at reasonable prices. A

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lot of places are offering DVDs.
I don't know that the prices are that

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reasonable. To be honest, I'm
not gonna lie. I would like to

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offer reasonable prices. I'm talking ten
bucks come on clude shipping anyway. I

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would also like to post these videos
on YouTube for free. I mean,

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they're full of ads. I'd make
it add full chuck full of ads.

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I mean, I'm sorry. You
know, everything on YouTube has a lot

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of ads, and but at least
you can watch them on YouTube, even

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though they have ads on them and
everything. Or you could buy the DVD

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and then there's no ads. But
at least then people can watch these incredible

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talks on YouTube. In order to
do that, I need some av equipment.

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Of course, I've done these conferences
before, so I know what I

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needed. I know how to do
it. I just need some help with

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that part. So kickstarter dot com, if you've never heard of it,

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posting the project up there saying hey, I want to get some video equipment

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so I can film these great lectures
and put them online and to sell DVDs.

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And if you want, here's what
you do. You can put in

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some money and if you put in
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Put in twenty I'll give you three
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more DVDs. Put in more,
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to you know, come to the
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to it, and I will be
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this is gonna be fun. I
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is a lot of fun. So
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it's I think it's gonna go out. We'll see. So that's enough with

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that sort of news and my excitement
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we're not getting away from my silliness
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UFO news that's going on. Some
of this maybe we talked about a little

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before, but we'll talk about some
more funny enough. There's a big ad

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for chasing UFOs National Geographic There is
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There's my good buddy James Box who
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who's been on the show who also
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Aaron Ryder. Pretty lady. I
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lady, and so that's why that's
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all very cool. I got to
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told you about that. This is
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He was I think the first to
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on the Baltic Sea. Was it
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long time ago. No, they
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something. It looks like it's just
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went down there and they were not
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so there's a story on what was
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of gotten me frustrated. I'm gonna
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drone causes stir in DC area.
People report UFO on a a truck bed

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in DC and it wasn't a UFO. It's a Navy drone. Hello,

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you ran this story. It's like
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of a story that already happened when
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country months ago, different people were
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They think the Air Force is driving
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most people knew, you know,
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of air Force thing. And so
they're making a big deal about this again

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because they're driving it around in the
DC area. How many times are they

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going to try to make a big
deal about this thing which is nothing.

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I don't know, but I don't
like it. Cut it out. In

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Ohio, there was a large meteor
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Perry and Circleville. Wooster and Circleville, Holy Only those are some funny

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names. So it disappeared, I
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a lot of people got excited about
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of secret Air Force or that was
a Navy jroone, but this is an

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Air Force still is the X thirty
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thing that they've been flying around for
like a year. And it's kind of

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funny because they call this this top
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these publicity pictures and it's in the
news all over the place. So not

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much of a secret, is it. What is a secret is what's inside

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of this thing. They haven't said
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test bed, but then when they
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can't tell you that secret, Well
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Well, we can't tell you that
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satellite deal was up there doing.
But yeah, isn't that incredible this little

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thing flying around for a year.
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saying, wow, they got this
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unquote secret flying around. What could
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and we don't know about and couldn't
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couldn't have extraterrestrials in it or monkeys. They used to find monkeys in space.

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We probably know that. Who knows
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of an interesting story, I think. Of course, there's more stories about

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planets being found that hint that they
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that has all this you know,
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of news and excitement per SETI.
Like I mentioned earlier, Search for Extraterrestrial

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Intelligence. They had a conference this
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of news. Sounds like a lot
of fun. Looked pretty cool. Also

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in the news a lot has been
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Joel Harder, who has retired and
now someone else will be taking it

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over. So there's been a lot
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including this story from NBC. UFO
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extraterrestrials. See and that's the whole
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extraterrestrials. You know, yeah,
these things that are far far away and

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too far to get here. What
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come on, guys, what if
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This guy's is them better question,
my friends? And it should be

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represented in your conference. And if
you're not going to have it in your

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conference, I'll have it at mine. So hmm. So yeah, so

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that's what we're doing, and so
that's been making news. This is kind

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of funny too. Lee Spiegel,
of course, of the Huffington Post,

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our good buddy, has written about
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But he wrote about Paul Krugman as
economist who and it's hard to get

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a read on whether this guy was
joking around or just being serious. He's

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just kind of saying, you know, if we want to boost the economy,

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we should fake a war with extraterrestrial
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build weapons, and it will boost
our economy. So what's interesting this guy

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keeps making this statement kind of reminds
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you know, we'll all get together
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thought extraterrestrials were attacking us. So
we asked some things. Lee went around

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and asked, like John Alexander,
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retired Army colonel what he thought.
He thought that it's good for Hollywood,

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which is kind of interesting, and
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like this like they do in Hollywood, maybe it would boost the economy.

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at SETI, who we just talked
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well, we're all kind of toast
if that happens for real. So I

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don't know how it would boost our
economy, but so that was kind of

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a funny answer. He asked Carol
Rozen, who's an aerospace executive. We've

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had her on the show. She's
a great lady. Also, he asked

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fIF Simonton, the former governor of
Arizona, also an Air Force officer,

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a gentleman who says he saw the
Phoenix lights and thought they were extraterrestrial in

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nature. Kind of talked about how
there's no way to prepare for something like

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that, and instead what we should
do is colonize Mars, because that's something

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we could do and may help simulate
economy. So that's great a politician who

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has a more practical idea. And
then he asked Stanton Friedman, who kind

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of looked at it very more practical
too, which is is, do we

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know what practices would be effective on
resisting aliens? When we have to convince

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all the countries and we'd all have
to agree on one military tactic. We

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can't agree on anything. And maybe
it would be nice if we spend trillions

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of dollars on something else other than
the military. Where would this money come

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from? He says, Krugman seems
to be suggesting more lies or what is

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needed. How about everybody cutting their
military budgets in half and feeding people instead.

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So mister Santon Friedman, the nuclear
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solution and kind of saying, come
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I think we all feel that way. Quit lyon your butts off people China

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X files. This is interesting.
I'm sure George Filer has something to say

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about this, and that is China
just recently launched a rocket and they are

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really getting on the ball with their
space program. They have been practicing docking

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with a space station. They don't
have one yet, but they want to

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build one. They had their first
female astronaut on this rocket, and some

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believe they spotted UFOs during the launch
of the rocket. How interesting is that

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China has a huge We've talked about
this before UFO organization. By the way,

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that was helped start that. It
was began by some academics see just

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some conference. But anyway, all
these academics are into this stuff. They

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really are. And these academics kind
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government loosened up a little bit and
Russia kind of went and minded their own

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business back in like the sixties and
seventies, they went to the government and

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said, hey, can we want
to make a UFO journal And they said,

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sounds good. Not only can you
do it, let us help you

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pay for it. And this is
an exciting story from silver screen saucers and

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he really got it from coast to
coast am And there's this gentleman named Chase

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Brandon. He's a thirty five year
old veteran of the CIA. He just

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wrote a book. It is a
book on Roswell and conspiracies, and he's

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pretty much saying, in fact,
his quote is it's one hundred percent guaranteed

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Roswell happened. There was a craft
absolutely cadavers. So a CIA veteran talking

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about how Yeah, this happened.
People get hip to it. Just check

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it out. So that's kind of
interesting. Definitely an interesting story, and

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hopefully we'll hear more about that over
time. Maybe I can can get him

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on the show. Love being on
my show. It's fun, man.

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And then speaking of radio shows,
I want to thank j Lawrence of KTAR

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local talk radio channel out here in
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it might be the biggest. Anyways, he had me on the show on

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Saturday and it was a lot of
fun. So check out the Jay Lawrence

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Show on KTAR. And I want
to thank Tony Forty who helped me get

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on the show, who suggested me. So he's a friend of Jay Lawrence's,

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I guess, and helps him out
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thank you very much, Tony,
Thank you very much, Jay, and

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thank you all very much for listening
to the news. Next, let's have

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George Feiler get on the line and
let's talk to him about UFO and stuff.

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Let's see, I'm going to have
to dial his number here. So

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oh man, I had a song
and I can't remember it, so we'll

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just do that. Dot dot do
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do Do Do Do Do Do Do
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doo. That's all it took.
I'm already Dyland, all right, i'd

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be right, Tylers. Hello,
it's Alejandro. How you doing, Alejandro

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good? How are you fine?
It's always fun to hear your voice.

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And uh, I was mentioning earlier
when I was talking about you being on

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the show that it was a lot
of fun when I saw you on the

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Disclosure Project. You were one of
my favorite people up there talking and everybody

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was very serious in the room,
you know, listening very carefully, and

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you cracked a joke here they there
that made me chuckle the crowd. I

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wasn't in the mood to chuckle,
I don't think, but that certainly endeared

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me towards you, and I've been
a fan ever since. Well, thank

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you, yep, thanks for joining. Oh thanks. So how's it going

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there? It's going good. It's
really hot out here in Arizona, so

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thank goodness for air conditioning. And
if we lost air conditioning, I would

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have to leave this area of the
country, I think, but probably many

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would. Well, that's how how
are you doing out there enjoying your summer?

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Yes, it gets hot hair too. You know it was ninety eight

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Sunday. Oh really, so you
had a warm weekend, right, you

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know, we lived through a course, part of it is that we have

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air conditioning too, So yeah,
exactly, Thank goodness. So I wanted

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to talk more along the lines because
we've talked about your exciting Port Tacks story

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and some of that, But like
we talked earlier, I would like to

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talk a lot more about Air Force
intelligence because of course there's a lot of

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the UFO situations or events where Air
Force Intelligence has been involved, and you

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have a particularly unique insight into that
as you used to be part of Air

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Force Intelligence. Yeah, almost twenty
years so quite some time is to fly,

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and I wasn't flying. I usually
had a desk job in intelligence.

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M h. So I guess we'll
go historically, so going back earlier on

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to well, of course, well
I'll just ask, you know, going

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even further than we were talking about
before the food fighters. I mean,

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did you ever hear much in the
way of that and when you were in

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the Air force stories about these balls
of light during World War Two? Frankly

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no, I heard about, particularly
in the Pacific theater, that they had

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seen, not if they were actually
balls of light, but they had seen

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objects that they thought were UFOs.
And it's kind of I don't know if

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I ever told you my experience in
chasing one. Yeah, you did,

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but let's feel free to tell us
again. Well, I was flying tankers

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in England and one day they came
to us and they said that would be

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willing to chase UFOs over England.
That some of the fighters had not come

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back when they chased them, and
the chase takes a rather long time frequently,

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and that they had limited fuel the
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That's one of the reasons the tankers
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said, sometimes the fighters don't come
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hadn't heard that part. They didn't
say why or anything. They just people

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don't realize. But back in the
you know, sixties and so on,

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00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:44.079
that we lost a lot of fighters, I mean in terms thousands. This

405
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.239
doesn't necessarily have anything to do with
the UFOs. It's just that they were

406
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:53.400
not very good airplanes and fell out
of the sky and you know, wings

407
00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:00.440
fell off and all that kind of
thing. Oh wow. But but in

408
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:07.440
any case, for example, General
Benjamin Chidlaw said that they had lost,

409
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:15.880
you know, large numbers of fighters
chasing UFOs, and that was even published

410
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.280
in Time magazine. But in any
case, they asked us if we'd be

411
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.559
willing to chase them. We said
sure, And the idea was that apparently

412
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:29.800
if you fired at them, they
would return the fire or block it or

413
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:36.079
someway or create problems with your capture
your I'm not sure what would happen,

414
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.920
but in any case, it was
not a good idea to fire on them,

415
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:46.400
and we were unarmed and they apparently
were aware of that. So when

416
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:51.800
the tankers chased them, we could
play almost as fast as the fighters,

417
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.199
and we had, you know,
twelve fifteen hours of fuel on board.

418
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.880
Consequence, we could go for a
long period of time and make a long

419
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.320
chase if it was necessary. In
any case, one day we were up

420
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:13.400
refueling in about eight o'clock. All
the fighters have been refueled and left us,

421
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:21.239
and about that time London Control called
us and said we've got a unidentified

422
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.960
would be willing to chase it?
You know? We said sure. They

423
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.199
said it's over the center of England. We were out over the north Sea

424
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:36.679
in a refueling pattern. In any
case, they gave us heading towards actually

425
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:43.719
Oxford or the Stonehenge area. The
UFOs are often over Stonehenge for some reason.

426
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.039
Apparently I like that area. Yeah, But in any case, we

427
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.079
were like thirty three thousand feet.
This thing was like a three thousand feet

428
00:37:52.159 --> 00:38:00.800
so we had to let down and
we're well excited about the so to speak,

429
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:02.800
and trying to get there as quickly
as possible. And we went through

430
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.480
our red line air speed of the
aircraft and had to pull back on the

431
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:14.679
power. But then I turned on
the radar and about thirty miles ahead was

432
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:20.880
this huge radar return. Now,
when you took off out of England,

433
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:27.239
you could pick up the Firth or
Fourth Bridge in Scotland, which is similar

434
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.639
to the Brooklyn Bridge or the San
Francisco Bay Bridge in one of these huge

435
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:37.000
bay bridges, and it was about
a mile long, you know, made

436
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:45.519
as steel. And when I turned
on the radar, I thought something was

437
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:52.840
kind of wrong that we were picking
up this bridge over Scotland, in fact,

438
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.760
over the middle of England. In
other words, the radar return from

439
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.480
the bridge and the un were almost
exactly the same, which was indicate that

440
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:08.400
the UFO was probably almost a mile
long, you know, assuming that the

441
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.920
radar was working correctly. Any cases, we let down and got closer to

442
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.480
it. It you know, filled
up the radar screen, so to speak,

443
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.280
and we could see it way off
in the distance. That it was

444
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:28.519
nighttime. We could see a bunch
of lights, like twenty lights. You

445
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:35.199
know. Really it looked like an
ocean liner. Ugh, if you've ever

446
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.400
seen an ocean liner, co see. But that kind of a situation only

447
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.199
as it's flying. And in any
cases, we got closer and closer,

448
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:52.360
we're really only seeing lights, but
they're horizontal to the ground, about twenty

449
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.760
or so lights. Any case,
we've got about a mile or so away,

450
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.440
and it's a big, huge radar
return and this thing goes straight up

451
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.960
in the space. Mm hmm.
Could you get a sense of the shape

452
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.440
from the light? Well, I
from the light it looked like a cylinder

453
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:15.679
or a cruise ship or something like
that. Now I guess it could it

454
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.159
could be have been a you know, a circle or a disk shape.

455
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.440
But we were looking at it from
a side view. M it looked like

456
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:36.119
a long, long series of lights, right, But I really couldn't tell,

457
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:43.199
you know, exactly the shape.
But I I have seen photographs and

458
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:53.119
video of motherships that are the long
cylinder shape objects. So that's what you

459
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:58.159
saw. So what do you think. What did the rest of the crew

460
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.559
think of this situation? How did
they react? Well, most of us

461
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.679
saw the lights, but I was
really the only one looking at the radar

462
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:15.320
and everybody's it's kind of funny.
There's about eight man crew, of course,

463
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.880
somewhere in the back and zon.
But some were all excited, and

464
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:25.760
you know, I thought it was
from outer's space, and others didn't think

465
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:34.280
it was anything significant. It's almost
from from denial to you know, we

466
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.760
saw a ship from outer space.
Now. The interesting part of the story

467
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.639
was that, you know, we
land, and we tell people, and

468
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.840
some of the people in the squadron
leavers and some don't. You know.

469
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.920
It's kind of like if you ever
you happen to have a sighting today,

470
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.840
you know, as a person,
not everybody believes you. There's this factor

471
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:04.360
about, but in any case,
a couple of weeks later, there was

472
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.880
a what's call it dining in where
they invite the officers to the officers club

473
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:16.639
and we all dined together, and
the speaker that might happen to be Prince

474
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:27.280
Philip really and Prince Philip gave a
nice talk, and after his talk he

475
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:34.719
said, I would like to have
dessert or you know, finish up dinner

476
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.880
and talk to the aircrews that have
been chasing UFOs. So we were real

477
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.360
surprised that he knew that we were
chasing UFOs. But when we thought about

478
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.519
it, London Control was the one
who was giving his headings and everything,

479
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.920
so he probably had a contact there. So any case, we sat down

480
00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:02.719
with him and he was very friendly
and really a nice guy. And there's

481
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:10.119
about eight of us, I guess, and he was still real dapper back

482
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.559
then, I'm sure, huh.
A couple of the other crews, well,

483
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:20.559
he was like forty or so and
maybe fifty, but he looked young.

484
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:27.480
And he was a you know,
flow planes and was into that military

485
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.760
type stuff, you know. And
in other words, he felt comfortable with

486
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.719
us, and we felt comfortable with
him. And that was the same night

487
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.440
that you had your sighting. No, this was like two weeks later.

488
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.960
Oh two weeks later, okay,
wow, but still pretty close. That's

489
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:51.960
incredible, and well, I was
very impressed by it, frankly, I

490
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:58.719
mean, and the fact that he
was interested in the UFOs made me become

491
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.239
more interested. And one of the
reasons something do you know that I'm still

492
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.119
studying him after all these years,
but of course I want you to see

493
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.239
one and believe it. But not
only that, is that he confirmed to

494
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.599
us that the UFOs you know,
are real. And I asked, I

495
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.639
told him my story just pretty much
like I told you just now, and

496
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:30.559
asked him why he was interested,
and he said that Lord Manbatten or Earl

497
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:38.159
Mandutt and his uncle had raised him
and his uncle had also seen them,

498
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:45.480
you know, like we had,
apparently when he was in the head of

499
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:52.440
a task force or something in the
Pacific, and that so many words,

500
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:58.079
because his uncle believed that he believed
and he wanted to find out more about

501
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:04.000
them. And I understand that the
whole family through the years is you know,

502
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:10.239
kind of looked after them and received
like you know, the British documents

503
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:17.079
on them and so on. His
aides would go out and interview the various

504
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.599
crews that we're seeing them or you
know, individuals type things. As a

505
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.480
matter of fact, there's some books
about that his aides have written saying that

506
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:34.320
even going so far as the saying
that Aliens wanted to meet with Prince Philip,

507
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.280
and I don't know if this ever
occurred, but in other words,

508
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.880
people high up, you know,
with very high clearances and so on,

509
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.639
like Prince Philip would have know a
lot more about this than they. Certainly

510
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.960
the average person in the public knows
about it. Well, yeah, he's

511
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:58.440
married to the queen, for goodness
sakes, and it's always so interesting.

512
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.719
I always wonder, because him and
his uncle have been so into it,

513
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:07.000
what conversations, what she thinks she's
because I think they've probably had conversations,

514
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:13.000
and we know she's read books on
crop circles. So I always wonder,

515
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.760
you know, what conversations they may
have had, and where the Queen's interests

516
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:24.639
lie, or any of the other
princes. But he apparently got the data

517
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.320
on a regular basis. And of
course some of our presidents like President Reagan

518
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:36.119
and Carter have been very interested and
they have asked for that intelligence data and

519
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:42.880
be filtered through them. Now,
besides my job is flying, I have

520
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:47.760
almost five thousand dollars, but I
would be an intelligence officer and I frequently

521
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:58.360
brief generals and admiral as far as
you know about intelligence, and I would

522
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.920
say once a month or so we
would we would have a sighting pretty much

523
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:07.639
like you get you know, a
UFHONU had seen a UFO and flew off

524
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:15.000
their wing or you know, flew
over them. I don't know if you

525
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:22.920
remember the sighting over Tehran, Tehran, And in any case I brief that

526
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.880
the general staff about that sighting,
and that one that one stucks on in

527
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.719
my memory of the fours try to
attack a big mothership out near Tehran,

528
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:45.519
Iran and their weapons systems essentially wouldn't
work and they had to turn back to

529
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.599
land. That in a Tehran Air
Force base. But in any case,

530
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.880
on a regular basis, we would
brief about u F. But it wasn't

531
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:07.280
you know, I didn't learn,
you know, if we hadn't captured anybodies

532
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:13.519
or anything like that. Did they
ever talk about their ideas about the nature

533
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.400
of the phenomenon. Actually, whenever
I briefed the generals, they would just

534
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:27.599
kind of smile and look at each
other, and you know, they never

535
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.199
criticized me or anything. It was
just like, this is something that exists

536
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:37.559
and we like to know about them. Say. I was at various times

537
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:49.960
in Tactical Air Command and and Military
Air Command, and as as the briefer

538
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.239
for the four star generals, so
we would get most of the data that

539
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:59.000
was coming on, you know,
the coming through the channels. We would

540
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.199
get the information from the IACIA,
the Air Force channels and so on.

541
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.079
It was mostly the aircrews that were
seeing them, or like you know,

542
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.599
say the Brazilian Air Force or some
other air force around the world that had

543
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.840
a good sighting and it would report
it and would get into the traffic and

544
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.639
people were aware of them and just
kind of treated as something that existed,

545
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:32.920
you know, in the sixties with
your first sighting, and were you and

546
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.559
or the crew at that point afraid
to report what you had seen, because

547
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:44.400
that seems to be predominant, at
least especially these days. Well, well,

548
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.800
we wrote it in the navigator's log, you know, such a time

549
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.960
we saw UFO and that was about
all we did. And nobody really made

550
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.599
much of a big deal about it. Prince Philip was the one who made

551
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.039
the biggest deal about it. How
cool, which was kind of strange,

552
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.639
you know, mm hmm. I
mean, air force people really didn't make

553
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:13.719
much of a lot of it that
you know, reported it as something else

554
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:22.480
that we have seen and something unusual. You know mm hmm. Yeah.

555
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:30.840
I had an interesting story from an
older gentleman at a kawanis I did a

556
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.960
talk at and it was kind of
funny because everybody was polite, but you

557
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.639
could tell they were like, I
don't know about this stuff. And there

558
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.320
was a table of older gentlemen and
there was this one businessman who was very

559
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.239
interested and after everybody had gone,
he was still doing business there. And

560
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.039
there's a table gentleman much older.
I mean, these guys were a lot

561
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.239
older, and he said, thanks
for talking stuff. You know who should

562
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.000
talk to is that guy over at
that table. Because I had been by

563
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.960
that table and they didn't seem too
interested. I was handing out mupon fla

564
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:04.639
and telling him about moufon and so
I went back to that table and I

565
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.639
talked to this older guy and I
said, you know, I heard you

566
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.039
were in the air Force and I
should talk to you about this stuff.

567
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.199
And his friends kind of leaned back
and chuckled and they all look at him

568
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.320
and he says, oh, yeah, those damn things. I used to

569
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.239
have to chase those things all over
the place, and you know it really

570
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.880
then everybody's like, oh wow,
hand me a fire, you know.

571
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:30.440
Then they're all excited and wanted to
hear more. But I always just said,

572
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.559
you know, I'm fascinated about that
period of time because things were so

573
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:42.159
much different. It seems before this
real ridicule factor had solidified or it become

574
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:47.440
so predominant. Yeah, Well,
the news mean he used treated as a

575
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:54.840
very serious situation, and I think
later on they got into the you know,

576
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:02.599
scoffing at it. There's some indication
that a government program to do that.

577
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.760
Well, that's interesting. You know. That segue is exactly into kind

578
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.239
of what else I wanted to ask
you about. Are some of these well

579
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:20.239
what we know and what's just theory? For example, it's theory in many

580
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:27.679
cases that especially, I've heard some
theories that this whole phenomena is just created

581
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.639
by this idea to make the Russians
back in the you know, sixties for

582
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:37.400
instance, or eighties even and during
the Cold War, to make the Russians

583
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.480
kind of chase their tails and go
on wild goose chases and think that we

584
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:45.679
recover technology that they don't have,
or make them think that you know,

585
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:52.920
there were ufoster to kind of weed
out the trails because I know, you

586
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.440
know, one tactic and maybe you
can tell us about this is to seed

587
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.400
some false information and see where it
goes. Jeuice, you can find out

588
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.239
where that the information lines are and
that this whole phenomena is the air Force

589
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.559
back then, you know, creating
all these stories to mess with the Russians.

590
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:21.800
Well, my personal belief is that
you know, the UFOs are here

591
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.920
and have been here from other planets. I think guess they could be from

592
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:32.000
under the sea or you know,
someplace like that, or hiding in mountains

593
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.320
or whatever. But I think there's
objects at least that I saw and had

594
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:45.360
on a radar that you could not
explain as belonging to anything that humans had

595
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:52.159
built. On the other hand,
as far as the Russians are concerned,

596
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.760
I know from intelligence sources that they
were very interested in UFOs, just like

597
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.280
we are. Almost all nations of
the world are, because they're an advanced

598
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:13.360
technology. And if you can get
a UFO and you know it re engineer,

599
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.320
so to speak, that you have
a very advanced craft. That's a

600
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:22.039
very important object. And I do
know that this. I was told by

601
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:34.239
several people using Richard Dodi that we
had manufactured documents to sell to the Soviets

602
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.800
that had some truth in it concerning
UFOs, and I had, you know,

603
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.199
some false data and that they were
more interested in buying UFO data than

604
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:53.159
they were, you know, as
than something like our own at that time

605
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.360
would be like an F one eleven, you know, in other words,

606
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.239
our advanced aircraft. They were more
interested in the UFOs they were in our

607
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:08.599
advanced aircraft. Now maybe they had
comparable data, you know about our advanced

608
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:15.360
aircraft. Weren't worried about that,
but they were very interested in buying data

609
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:23.000
on UFOs. If you think about
most nations, whoever builds the latest aircraft,

610
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.320
it probably has the best craft,
and then you know, next year

611
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:37.239
we build the best one, and
the following year the Soviets build the best

612
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:45.039
one. That kind of thing.
Consequently, in most cases that our nations

613
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:51.119
aren't that much ahead of each other
if you follow me where if you get

614
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:57.760
into it a UFO technologically, it
may be one hundred or even you know,

615
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:07.039
thousands or twenty thousand years ahead.
But they just found a cave in

616
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:14.400
Spain where there's what looks like a
mother ship painted on the wall, and

617
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:20.159
they figured that the cave drawing is
forty thousand years old, so they may

618
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:29.280
have been visiting us for eons of
time. And there's another factor that people

619
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:37.000
don't think about. If you look
at a chimpanzee body or bones that are

620
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:44.960
two hundred thousand years old, their
brain is exactly the same size it is

621
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.639
today. And if you look at
an ape brain and you know, two

622
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.840
million years old or whatever, that's
exactly the same size as it is today.

623
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:02.559
And the only really different Homo sapient
type thing, in other words,

624
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:12.320
the brain that's different as in people
in humans, in our Homo sapiens,

625
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:17.519
our brain has grown through the eons
of time from you know, like from

626
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:25.159
a orange sized brain to you know, a melon sized brain is like tripled

627
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:30.239
into size. Well, why has
you know, chimpanzee brain, says stayed

628
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:37.960
the same, and why has our
brain through the years grown so much larger

629
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:45.199
and made us so much smarter and
so well, assuming that they we've been

630
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:52.920
visited all this time, and maybe
because somebody's meeting with us who happens to

631
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:58.960
have larger brains, and so suspe
just speculation that that that we may be

632
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:09.599
almost you know, like catlet or
dogs that we breathe and increase in intelligence

633
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:19.320
and capa and so on, we
maybe somebody else's harm animal citizens, right.

634
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.679
I want to get more into those
ideas. But I'm really interested in

635
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:30.360
talking to you more about Richard Dody
because he's such an enigma and I've interviewed

636
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.000
other people on that whole area,
and I think that his story is really

637
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.360
important. It's difficult because I don't
know. It's hard to know with him

638
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:44.519
what's truth and what's not because the
story has changed here and there. But

639
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.840
he was Air Force Intelligence out of
Kirkland Air Force Base, and we know

640
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:54.159
he was releasing different UFO documents and
things. And so when you said you've

641
00:58:54.199 --> 00:59:00.639
been able to speak with him,
yeah, he's also a police officer,

642
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.000
I don't know if yeah, I
knew he was a police officer. I

643
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.480
think in New Mexico at least for
a while. I'm not sure if he's

644
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:14.039
still doing that. But so,
what sort of things did you talk to

645
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.599
him about? Well, I asked
him about, you know, his experience

646
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:24.719
in the Air Force, and he
basically said that they, well, part

647
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:32.199
of their job was to hide our
advanced fighters like the one seventeen and so

648
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:40.679
on in In other words, they
want to keep certain military capabilities silent and

649
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:51.519
sounds funny, but UFOs aren't a
good explanation for advanced aircraft. And I

650
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:57.920
think there's a certain amount of you
might call a truck wery there that we're

651
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.079
trying to hide our capability it is. And I think some of the UFOs

652
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.320
that are being seen even today are
you know, advanced, not very aircraft

653
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.760
mm hmm. So, and that's
what it seems like he was doing at

654
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:19.719
Kirkland with Paul Benowitz. Is Benowitz
was seeing technology, and that's what he

655
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:24.119
said before, although the stories kind
of gets more of that, uh,

656
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.199
And then he was trying to make
him see me like he was seeing UFOs.

657
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.519
So if the Russians caught wind,
you know, they would think this

658
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:37.679
guy's some crazy guy seeing UFOs and
he thinks there's echieth and stuff, and

659
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:44.320
so they wouldn't really put much stake
into what he was saying. People don't

660
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:49.599
remember too much, but we were
virtually at war with the Soviet Union at

661
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:54.679
any time, you know, basically
could have destroyed the world or ourselves at

662
01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:02.000
least, and the Soviets, you
know, and everything. So a lot

663
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:10.519
of well things were done that maybe
you don't agree with completely, but you

664
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.480
know, they were trying to protect
the United States and in effect the world

665
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.840
from you know, World War three, So you sometimes you do things that

666
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.679
may not be completely on the upper
up. It's kind of like all all

667
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:36.400
games and love and warm that.
I think he was doing his job,

668
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:44.079
trying to protect the country, and
not everybody would agree with what was done,

669
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:52.719
but it's reasonable that would be done
to protect their assets. Mhm.

670
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:02.039
With dirty And it seems is though
he was I mean, he was releasing

671
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.559
to document and information that wasn't true. But he also says that some of

672
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:15.239
what he released was true. Do
you get a sense of what was true

673
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.880
or not or is it kind of
that difficult for you to determine as well?

674
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:25.960
Well, you know, you go
back to let's say, Roswell.

675
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.760
Mm hm. That's the first time
most of this came up, you know,

676
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:40.360
and there's allegedly a crash at Roswell
and I talked to astronaut, you

677
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:44.760
know, Edgar Betchel, and he
said it was real as occurred. And

678
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:49.320
I talked to you know a lot
of other people, a military and the

679
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.920
light who all basically said it was
real, and at least all my contacts

680
01:02:54.719 --> 01:03:00.480
indicate that it was real. Now, one interesting thing is that the higher

681
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:09.199
that I want in contexts, the
more the aliens looked like us. Mm

682
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.280
hmm. I don't know if that
makes sense, but you know, there's

683
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.800
this story that they look like grays
and so on, and then there's other

684
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:29.159
stories that they'd look very human and
mm hmm. There's even indications that that

685
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:35.679
some aliens are helping us that look
very human. They generally described as you

686
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:42.000
know, as the Blondes. Well, and I guess to get back to

687
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.159
kind of some of Richard Dody,
it's just one of these suggestions. One

688
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:51.639
of the suggestions was that because he
seem to be putting out a lot of

689
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:59.840
information, he claimed to have broken
into Paul Benowitz's offices, which is,

690
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.800
you know, not necessarily legal,
and at least, like John Alexander has

691
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:09.679
suggested, he was probably rogue at
some point. Some of those things were

692
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:15.440
probably things he wasn't sanctioned to do. Being an Air Force intelligence yourself,

693
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:19.280
do you think Air Force intelligence would
go that far as to tell people to

694
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:28.480
break into people's offices to kind of
monitor them. Well, I never heard

695
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:33.320
any personally, you know, never
heard anything like that. Mm hmmm.

696
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:43.079
R. In other words, anything
illegal is illegal, if you know what

697
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.960
I'm saying, it's one thing selling
the Russians something that may not be you

698
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:55.400
know, completely true documents. It's
another thing to break an entering. But

699
01:04:55.519 --> 01:05:00.679
Benowitz was a essentially was working for
the government, you know, with contracts

700
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:10.280
and so on, and it was
causing problems. And Uh I talked to

701
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:27.360
I forget the captain's name, but
they his commander and the general that was

702
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.480
a commander. I tried to look
into the ben I went to affair for

703
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:43.239
a while back and m h talked
to different people over him, and they

704
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:50.880
didn't have real high praise for him
US but other way mm hmm. Yeah,

705
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:55.760
and I and I got the impression
that he got into some kind of

706
01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:06.559
trouble mm hmm. Then he ended
up leaving O s I and working in

707
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:15.119
other areas in the Air Force mm
hmm. Yeah. Indicated that he went

708
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:20.719
somewhere else, you know, I
don't know, but at least with me,

709
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:28.760
he always was very forthright I think
mm hmmm. Talked about he had

710
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:40.400
UH guarded a UFO at one time. I'm apparently an alien UFO that they

711
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:45.400
they had captured one or it landed
or whatever, but he was guarding it

712
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:57.039
out towards somewhere in Nevada. Mm
hmm. That he kind of indicated they

713
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.599
had been here, but we're gone
now. Was so I don't know,

714
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:09.800
Yeah, I know he promoted the
oh Man I cannot remember the name,

715
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:15.480
oh Surpo documents, which was that's
what the scenario was there is that,

716
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:20.320
you know, they came kind of
the close encounter thing. We exchanged humans

717
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:27.159
and aliens and they aliens stayed here, humans went out there. They brought

718
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.199
our humans back, we gave them
their aliens back and it was just a

719
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.400
scientific exchange program and then they left
and that was it. And according to

720
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.639
the CERPO documents, you know,
there was no more aliens coming here after

721
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:47.320
that and that was our only contact. Well, of course we're getting a

722
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:57.840
thousand UFO reports a month, so
somebody's flying around. I guess it could

723
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:04.960
be Thisss identification and all that.
Now getting back, I guess some of

724
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:14.559
them are still arown. Yeah,
getting back to what you were talking about

725
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.600
with the different types of creatures or
different types of entities reported. You've been

726
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:24.640
in this for a while, have
you seen a trend? I know?

727
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:33.399
And what are your feelings that on
the types that are most likely visiting?

728
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:41.760
If there are well, there's one
group apparently that looks pretty human. I

729
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.800
mean, if you saw them in
Walmart, I might say they look a

730
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.840
little bit different, but an awful
lot of people in Walmart look a little

731
01:08:48.840 --> 01:09:03.000
bit different. Goodot. And the
other thing is, well, there's stories

732
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:11.159
of the grays. I've talked to
a lot of abductees who claim they've seen

733
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:17.319
the grays, and but I think
most people are aware of what they look

734
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.800
like. They're you know, four
feet high, with larger heads, that

735
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:29.039
kind of thing, and kind of
a grayskin, but basically humanoid other than

736
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:34.279
the fact that the head is larger
than than the average human ess. But

737
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:44.600
that way in large eyes and so
on. And recently I've seen it written

738
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:55.000
about, you know, the insectid
types that I've never seen those or hurt

739
01:09:55.079 --> 01:10:03.119
anybody, you know that who is
an abductee personally that claim. So I

740
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:10.840
don't know how factual that is.
That almost seems like a white mirror type

741
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:15.039
thing. It's not, maybe it's
not, you know, it's it's hard

742
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:24.000
to determine what's true and what's not. But I have enough people who have

743
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:31.399
claimed to have seen the well human
kind, you know, the blonde type,

744
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:40.520
although they're now blonde, but you
know, light skin might eyes and

745
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.680
light hair. Sometimes it's blonde,
sometimes it's a you know, redder or

746
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:54.079
sometimes a light brown type thing.
But in any case, that is at

747
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.640
least the people that I talked to
and claim to have seen them, the

748
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:03.720
abductees and so on, that seriously
what they're talking about or the or the

749
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:11.079
grays mm hmm. Now there may
be other types, but I haven't had

750
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.359
any you know, contact with that
with those types, whether they actually exist

751
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:19.920
or not. M. Now,
when you were at Fort Dix, and

752
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.840
I can't remember the year, so
maybe you could share that with us.

753
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:31.640
There there was an incident where people
had reported a craft had landed and they

754
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:36.520
wanted you to preach some generals on
it. What were the what were these

755
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:42.960
entities described like that? Well,
that was described pretty much like a gray

756
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:47.560
mm hmm. This was just January
eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight. Mm.

757
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:59.680
And did they have uniforms on or
anything? The description wasn't very exact,

758
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:08.560
but I got the imperson it was
a silver or you know, gray uniform,

759
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:15.760
pretty much like a flight suit.
M. Now, in this situation,

760
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:23.920
did the craft and the entities leave
or did they recover all they recovered

761
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:29.439
that night. Correct, Well,
what what one? Uh? The story

762
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:38.039
was that alien you know craft landed
on Fort Dicks in a secure area and

763
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:43.840
a military policeman happened to come upon
them and ask so many words, you

764
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:49.520
know, stop or shoot, and
he shot and killed one. Actually he

765
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:56.119
wasn't killed. He was wortally wounded
at the at the time at being shot.

766
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:06.159
And the craft supposedly took off otherwise
it wasn't there, although there's some

767
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.479
question whether it actually stayed or not. But that was a story we heard.

768
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:23.399
And the alien ran from Fort Dix
to McGuire Air Force please which are

769
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:30.479
side by side, just a fence
supports dividing them, and he ran over

770
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:40.760
to the runway where he was later
found then on the runway by Air Force

771
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:45.520
security policeman who I talked to and
said, yes, that he saw them,

772
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:51.840
and he guarded you know, he
guarded the body along with some other

773
01:13:53.720 --> 01:14:00.640
Air Force security policeman, but he
never got very close to the body,

774
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:05.399
so he couldn't you know, say
for exact exactly what it looked like other

775
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:15.920
than that look he might say alien. M Now, I've talked to other

776
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:17.680
friends about it, even generals and
they said, well, it could have

777
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.520
been like a deer or something.
Now he denies that. Now. I

778
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:27.600
went into work that morning at like
five o'clock and i'm, you know,

779
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:32.960
the general's brief are normally at eight
o'clock. I would give a briefing.

780
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.800
Actually easily, we had to have
a seven o'clock briefing for the colonel's and

781
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:44.520
they had decide if what I said
was correct or not, or something they

782
01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.520
didn't want to tell the general or
whatever. Normally they didn't say anything,

783
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.920
but could be. But in any
case than at twelve o'clock we had briefed

784
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.560
the generals about what was going on, and when I went into the command

785
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:01.840
post, they said, I'm just
telling you it was pretty much already saying

786
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:08.000
that an alien was found that you
know, shout at Fort Ditch and ended

787
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:14.399
up at McGuire that was coming in
from Mike Patterson to pick up the body.

788
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:24.439
And then I should brief for general
eight o'clock. And I questioned,

789
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:29.760
you know, an alien like you
know, somebody from some other country,

790
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:32.239
and they said, no, no, it was an alien space, which

791
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:39.800
was kind of surprising obviously, And
I question, and at this point,

792
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:45.720
it's a colonel's telling you this.
No, it's the it happened. The

793
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:50.159
fellow that was telling me was the
was his senior master sergeant that much ran

794
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:58.000
the ran the command post for twenty
first Air Force Command Post. There's there's

795
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:05.640
colonels in there, but the sergeants
do a lot of things, you know,

796
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:12.920
the kind of like running the place
like our restaurant or something, you

797
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:19.039
know where the uh, the fellow
kind of really in charge on a day

798
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:25.399
to day basis. Isn't the owner, you know, or the highest ranking

799
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:30.439
person they're They're making other decisions like
who's going to pick up the president or

800
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:35.479
who's gonna That's sound funny that we
were in charge of all the flights for

801
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:45.520
the president on down and there's some
three hundred aircraft that would fly from basically

802
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:54.920
from India to the Mississippi River.
We had half the world with wo and

803
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:03.079
in the case, they were telling
us to brief General Sadler and the staff

804
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:08.800
about what was going on, and
then just prior to my going on,

805
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:15.399
they said they didn't want it briefed
that And I was glad because I'd have

806
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.359
difficulty proving it one way or the
other. I didn't see anything. I'm

807
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:26.520
just getting these reports from various people
that are on the fight line and the

808
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:30.399
wink amand posts, and I talked
to security police, and I talked to

809
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:40.119
three other people at the control towards
try to get confirmation. Because Tom Zadler

810
01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:44.079
didn't have a real good sense of
yoga. Although he's a nice guy,

811
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:51.359
I'm not sure he would have accepted
that. You know, I didn't actually

812
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:55.560
even see the bodies, so I'm
not even sure to this day. But

813
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:03.279
I do know that one came in
and picked up something wow. And I

814
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:09.880
talked to a major who flew the
plane, and he he knows that he

815
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:13.119
picked up something special. He's flown
in in the middle of the night,

816
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:19.359
you know, the first thing in
the morning to pick it up. All

817
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:25.960
this has done very secretly, and
very few people really know about him that

818
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:32.159
kind of thing. Mm hmm.
The idea is to pretty much keep things

819
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:41.439
quiet. I think I think they're
afraid that, well, what our aliens

820
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:47.439
likely to do, it's not really
known for certain m and their technology is

821
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:57.279
so far advanced to ours that they
could probably do anything they want. And

822
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:04.319
and it almost appears that through the
years they've been helping us, at least

823
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:13.279
to many of them, mm hmmm. One question is that have you ever

824
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:17.199
tried to talk to anybody at Right
Patterson to get an idea of, you

825
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.920
know, what they would do with
this sort of stuff, or if they

826
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:28.199
get a sense of if they someone
remembers receiving that, or if they have

827
01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:38.399
this sort of thing there. Well, I've talked to dozens of people from

828
01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:45.920
Right Patterson pretty often, and the
average person who would just you'd say,

829
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:54.399
well, you know, show me
where it is, and they'd say I'd

830
01:19:54.520 --> 01:20:01.760
like to know myself. But most
people acted like, you know, yes,

831
01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:04.039
there was something going on, or
at least there was a lot of

832
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:13.520
rumors to the fact interesting. But
I'd never talked to anybody at Right Patterson

833
01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.159
who kind of took you aside and
said, look, I know there's stuff

834
01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:23.560
I've worked on. This stuff just
well, I've never talked to anybody who's

835
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:30.079
been on active duty who would admit
to anything other than they varied the rumors.

836
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:39.479
Now I've talked to people who will
even call me and say that they

837
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:47.520
worked at Right Patterson at one time
and they were saw the UFOs and had

838
01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:53.479
one fellow say that he saw one
texting down the runway. Another fellows say

839
01:20:53.560 --> 01:21:03.399
that he would go underground own two
or three times a week, and he

840
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:13.039
would inspect the UFOs and make sure
that there was no no biological or chemical

841
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:18.720
or nuclear problems on board the UFOs
before they let the scientists and to examine

842
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:24.000
them. Hmm. I mean,
I've heard all kinds of stories. Whether

843
01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:31.760
you know whether they're true or not. Is well that that, you know.

844
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:38.000
I send on my filer's files to
eleven thousand, a couple of hundred

845
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:45.159
people a week, and consequently a
lot of people read them and if they

846
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:49.720
have any interest, you know,
they'll they'll call me or you know,

847
01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:55.439
and I don't know if they're telling
the truth or not, right, but

848
01:21:55.760 --> 01:22:03.479
but there's enough stories that I think
there's you know, there's and the fact

849
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:11.279
that I've seen them would make me
believe that there's something to the stories.

850
01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:15.800
M that's all the detail about it. I don't know. Yeah, it

851
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:20.399
is interesting that Right Patterson seems to
come up so often in these stories.

852
01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:30.680
Yes, and if if we get
a Chinese fighter tomorrow that lands in nationalists

853
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:36.119
China and they release it to the
United States, it'll go to right Patterson.

854
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:41.000
Then it'll be taking apart there,
you know, And so many words

855
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:45.680
that's our engineering hub where all this
kind of thing is done, whether it's

856
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:53.960
a UFO or a fighter from another
country or whatever. Now, I guess

857
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.560
before we're done, we're almost out
of time. But you had mentioned you

858
01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.479
believe that they've been helping us.
How do you think they've been doing that

859
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:08.439
or what makes you think that?
Well, people who some of the people

860
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:14.039
who get my files or from work
for a Lockeed and Boeing and so on,

861
01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:18.199
and they've mentioned that. Now,
I you know, I have no

862
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:24.439
first well, I have first hand
information that they've told me, you know,

863
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:30.199
face to face that they were being
helped and been rich. And others

864
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:40.640
have made comments along those lines that
were being helped. And if you think

865
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:46.920
about it, of our technologies has
rapidly advanced in the last fifty years or

866
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:57.319
so, and all the attendant Colonel
Case, of course I said that said

867
01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:03.960
that as well. And I don't
believe everything, of course I said,

868
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:10.199
but I think I think he was
truth in saying that. M and a

869
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.960
lot of a lot of people that
you talk to indicate that there's something along

870
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:21.880
that line. And then then if
you start thinking back, even even the

871
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:30.239
rapid development of of humans, you
know, Homo sapiens and these kind of

872
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:40.680
things. And I happened to talk
to a lot of abductees who feel that

873
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:46.039
in many ways that they're being out. And for example, you know woman

874
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:55.680
I interviewed the other day who said
that she was dying as a as a

875
01:24:55.760 --> 01:25:01.199
girl, and the doctor came in
and said, well told told the family

876
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:08.159
in somebody words psych goodbye to her
that she would not live throughout the night.

877
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.159
Well, that night she was picked
up by what she felt was aliens.

878
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:18.880
I guess they could be angels,
but you know, whatever is.

879
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:24.359
They came and they hailed her,
took her bout a craft, hailed her,

880
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.359
brought her back. And the next
morning her parents came in to see

881
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.680
expect to see her dead, and
she said, you know, can I

882
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.359
have some breakfast? I'm hungry?
But she swears that's true, and her

883
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:42.680
family swears it's true. M hm. So I feel that and and I've

884
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.279
similar type stories and in many ways
now some people are fighting to death obviously,

885
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:57.840
right, but if they get over
that, at least a lot of

886
01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:09.039
people have good memories. M h. Yeah that and well I hope it's

887
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:13.600
true. Let's put it that way, right, Yeah, Like what you

888
01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:19.239
say they have their best, their
best, what's the best for them?

889
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:25.399
In mind, they also help us
when they can't. Be a little bit

890
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:29.279
like a farmer, you know that's
taken care of us. He's going to

891
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:36.760
do things that helps the cattle in
the long run. But sometimes they don't.

892
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:44.000
Yeah, sometimes they scare the hell
out of the cattle. Right.

893
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:50.199
But I and if you think about
it, we could have been destroyed anywhere

894
01:26:50.199 --> 01:27:00.359
along the line and at will m
HM and people have been in Chernobyl and

895
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:09.560
the recent Japanese situation. You can
look at the film of the of the

896
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.359
power stations there the you know,
the nuclear power stations, and you can

897
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:24.279
see the u of os they're around. The point is is that a lot

898
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:30.000
the situation could be a lot worse
than it is. Yeah, all right,

899
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.319
well we are out of time.
Thank you so much for being on

900
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:39.760
the show again. People can go
get bilers byle at nationalufocenter dot com.

901
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:46.760
Is that the best U r O
or just just right major Star at Verizon

902
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:54.720
dot net and I'm happy to send
it town major Star att net YEP for

903
01:27:54.880 --> 01:28:00.560
free and we get about one hundred
new people awake that it. Wow,

904
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.560
I mean those people seem to like
him. Yeah, you keep busy.

905
01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:06.760
I mean, you don't miss a
step. I mean I've been getting these

906
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:13.439
for years now and they just keep
coming. You must keep really busy at

907
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:17.960
this about fifteen years yes, yeah, wow, long time. So that's

908
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:21.039
great. Well, thank you for
the work that you do in this field

909
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:29.600
and it's wonderful. And thanks for
sharing your story stories here with us today

910
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:35.560
again and we'll be in touch for
sure. Okay, anytime. Thanks,

911
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:43.800
all right, have a great night. Okay, oh all right, So

912
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:48.520
another great show with major George Biler. He's just such a wonderful guy.

913
01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:56.039
I love having him on. It's
incredible really, especially when he mentioned been

914
01:28:56.079 --> 01:29:00.319
doing this for so long, you
know how he's it's been so consistent with

915
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:05.359
keeping his filer's files come out so
really cool. Okay, we talked about

916
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:09.800
a lot of good stories. If
you want to follow up or more information,

917
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:13.359
go to ufodailynews dot com. If
you don't see a story there,

918
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.279
go to the UFO newsfeed and you're
going to see all the links there.

919
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.880
And in fact, if you're on
Twitter, join the Twitter feed because I

920
01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:23.840
update these twitters, you know,
a few times a day, at least

921
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:27.520
once or twice a day. So
check that out. Otherwise, thank you

922
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:31.119
all so much for joining us.
It's been wonderful to have you again.

923
01:29:32.159 --> 01:31:04.520
We'll talk to you next week.
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