1 00:00:01,399 --> 00:00:05,639 Well awful weekend that has seen let's just say, a very interesting decision, 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,400 to say the least, in the top rank Bloxing ESPN main event, George 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,359 Campbosis gets his hand raised. There is some question about that. We're ready 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,320 to break that down and oh this is a little different. We're also a 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:23,160 bit in the preview mode for a Tuesday morning US Time Big Time Unified one 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,640 hundred twenty two pound title fight between Stephen Fulton and Naolia in a way, 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,320 so it's dual purpose here on the Fight Freaks Unite recap and the little preview 8 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:36,200 as well. I'm the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves. He is our insider, 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,880 Fight Freaks Unite is his substack. He is also insider for Big Fight 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,039 Weekend dot Com and he's about to put up with me face to face this 11 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:48,200 week in Las Vegas? Are you kidding me? For events? And Terence 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,159 Crawford, Hello, Dan, Rayphael, Welcome back to board. We'll see 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,000 about that. We'll see about that. The Clark County authorities have been notified 14 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:02,520 they are bracing for our arrivals later this week and the fighters I have already 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,400 been there and the hype is building it is officially fight week for Spence and 16 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:08,959 Crawford, but we've got other things to discuss and get to before we get 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,480 to that. My friend, as we keep saying, yes, sir, 18 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,879 let's get to it again. Thank you for finding us. However you've done 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,000 so. 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These are not massive names, but the continued online outrage and discussion 38 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:37,039 about the scoring in this fight makes it a juicy topic. So let's dive 39 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:43,840 right in your thoughts on the decision. How justifiable, especially a wide one 40 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,400 seventeen to one eleven card. Are you kidding me? Let's get into all 41 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,759 of it right now. Let's go. It's so disappointing because you know what, 42 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 it was so predictable that when you saw the way the fight was unfolding, 43 00:02:55,479 --> 00:03:00,960 that this was going to happen, and it's so cynical, so sad 44 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:06,039 that I think I started thinking this like round like five or six, where 45 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,159 you know, you think Hughes is winning the fight and you just you just 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,599 know they're gonna fuck it up. You know they're gonna fuck it up, 47 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,039 and there's no It's like you see the boulder coming down the mountain. You 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,159 can't stop it, and you know you're gonna get fucking flattened, and you 49 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,319 just you could just see it coming a mile away. This ain't my first 50 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,000 rodeo, and it's just it makes me sick when I think about that, 51 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,719 because I don't I'm so jaded now when it comes to that kind of thing. 52 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:30,439 You just could see it coming a mile away, and you know what 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:37,360 they actually did exactly what I thought. They fucked Maxie Hughes bad so George 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Cambosis, he's you know, he was the name guy, but I don't 55 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,560 even think about that from the standpoint of it being like in his hometown. 56 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,919 This was a fight between an Australian boxer, George Cambosis, and a British 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,000 boxer and Maxie Hughes. They're fighting in a Shawnee, Oklahoma on the top 58 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,520 rank show and it's it's you know, grant. It was not for a 59 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:01,400 major world title. It was an IBF lightweight tide of the Eliminatir, which 60 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,879 is important also from the standpoint that the winner is the mandatory challenger for the 61 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:11,560 title in that in that situation, especially given the fact that the likelihood and 62 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:14,800 will get to this later, that Devin Haney, who is the undisputed champion, 63 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,480 is going to vacate. Certainly he's not gonna fight George Cambosis for a 64 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,680 third time. There's no chance that that happens. And you're kind of like 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Cambosis is the A side, but you're like Max Uses fighting his ass off, 66 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,600 And you know, he's been on a good streak. He had won 67 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:31,319 seven fights in a row, he had gotten a big win over the former 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,560 featherweight title holder Kid Gallahad, and he has been in in a good spot. 69 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,439 And uh, you know, Cambosa says looked terrible in his last two 70 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,360 fights. Granted he was fighting Devin Hainey, so there's something, you know, 71 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,319 you can understand that, but he didn't really look very good against Max 72 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,920 Used. The best way I can explain it is he was extremely aggressive but 73 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,920 very ineffective, and I found it very difficult to give him enough rounds to 74 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:56,519 give him the fight. So here's the way I break it down, TJ 75 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,920 is the following. The official scorecards were, as you mentioned, one seven 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,079 teen, one eleven, from Joseph Mason, who was on my shit list 77 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:08,079 for life. We're talking about shortly keep going one fifteen, one thirteen from 78 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:12,079 Gerald Ritter, who is a well known referee judge and has done numerous fights. 79 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,000 And David Sutherland and Oklahoma judge who's also on the on the list of 80 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,240 officials at work fights in Las Vegas. Very experience. He added one fourteen 81 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:24,160 to one fourteen. So here's the way I look at it. Me I 82 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,800 scored to fight eight rounds to four in favor of Maxie Hughes. My former 83 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,040 my my longtime friend and former ESPN colleague Mark Kriegel on the broadcast had it 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:39,639 one seventeen, was at one seventeen to one eleven in favor of Maxie Hughes. 85 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,319 Also, that's nine rounds to three. Honestly, I thought that was 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,000 a little bit wide. I felt like we talked about the the range of 87 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,879 acceptable scores, that was like the fringe of an acceptable score. I supposed 88 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,560 to me it felt like the right scores. If you had it eight four 89 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,079 for Maxie Hughes, fine, If he had it seven five for MAXI it 90 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:04,000 was fine. If you're really if you're like Australian and you really wanted to 91 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,480 bend over backwards and give every possible benefit of the doubt to uh, mister 92 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,160 Cambosis. Maybe somehow, some way you could get to one fourteen, one 93 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:19,040 fourteen, But to have it for Cambosis seven to five, I just I 94 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,160 and I and Gerald. Gerald Ritterer, I think is a usually a good 95 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,279 a good judge and referee. His brother Gary Ritter was the referee for the 96 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:31,639 fight. They're guys have been around for a long time. I have a 97 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,800 problem with that. And then, of course it's always the fucking case TJ. 98 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:40,279 There's always some fucking outlandish, outlier score that just makes you want to 99 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,399 blow your fucking brains out. How in the world do you find that fight 100 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:46,680 to be nine rounds to three in favor of Cambosis. It's not possible. 101 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,480 He didn't land the punches. For crying out loud, I mean he landed, 102 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,639 uh, you know, uh, some shots, but not enough to 103 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:56,160 give him round after round, enough to round. Like I said, I 104 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,360 learned the the you know, the first and foremost thing lean effective punching from 105 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:03,720 the I can hear it in my mind until my days are gone. From 106 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,519 the late great Harold Letterman, how you score a professional boxing match, and 107 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:13,279 George Cambosis simply was not effective. He was aggressive, but he didn't land 108 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:16,000 punches. And we've said it a thousand times on the show. I don't 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,839 live and die by the copy box, but they do provide a reasonable guy. 110 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,319 George Camboss was landing less than twenty percent of his punches in the fight. 111 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,560 He was outland that, he was outthrown, and it wasn't like it 112 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,000 was some huge round that kind of skewed the numbers. It was pretty consistent 113 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:35,000 throughout the entirety of the twelve rounds. Just it was I felt so bad 114 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,399 for Max he Use, who by the way, was such a class guy 115 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,839 in defeat, Like you could just see the disappointment on his face and he 116 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,920 was like, I don't want He originally went to leave the ring. He 117 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:49,920 originally did not want to talk and was so angered, but then he composed 118 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,639 himself and you're right, one hundred percent anger. I think it was just 119 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,639 disappointment. It was all the above. It was I don't even want to 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,279 be part of this. I'm leaving. And then he posed himself standing right 121 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:03,319 out on the ring apron or the steps and thought about it and came back 122 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,839 in and was absolutely class to stand there and answer the questions when he obviously 123 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,759 won this fight. I'll go that far. He obviously won at least seven 124 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,439 rounds and I had to fight eight four on the big fight weekend car. 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,800 So I mean, so let's get into a couple of different aspects of this. 126 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,600 Yes, on the quantitative, that is what you always talk about with 127 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:31,480 CompuBox. It's a fairly close fight, but even Maxi Hughes outlanded on the 128 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,039 quantitative George Cambosas for the fight. This is interesting. Further on the quantitative 129 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,000 that even if you're trying to make the argument for Cambosas to have won six 130 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,320 or seven rounds, there's only five rounds, five where he landed more punches. 131 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,639 So that's I don't want I don't want to get into you. But 132 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,600 here's the more box a guy. But here's where I'm coming to back you 133 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,200 up. If you watch that fight, Maxie Hughes kept landing hard, straight 134 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,519 left hands and with more frequency that were more important than any big punch that 135 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,519 Cambosas was landing throughout the fight. He had to have landed. Would you 136 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,679 not agree at least a half dozen maybe as many as ten solid, good 137 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:20,840 straight left hands that were better than anything. So it's a quality of punches. 138 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:26,480 Who's winning the round with the more significant quality punch or two or three? 139 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,840 And that's that. I mean, it was just obvious. It was 140 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,399 Tim Bradley on the broadcast made the and he said this early in the fight. 141 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,000 He was one hundred percent right when they showed the angle where you could 142 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,399 see their feet. Max uses a south pod George Cambosa is a right handed 143 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,639 fighter. So the idea is, you know, we think about the arms 144 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:46,559 and the hands and the punching, but the base of everything is the feet. 145 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Where are your feet? How are you getting leverage? How are you 146 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,080 controlling where the fight takes place in the ring. And if you're in a 147 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,799 south versus right handed situation, the idea is for one of the fighters to 148 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,279 be able to put their foot on the outside of the other guy's foot to 149 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:01,960 create that in spot in the ring, which is going to give you a 150 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,320 better leverage. And as Bradley very you know, aptly pointed out, it's 151 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,039 not that complicated, but you gotta take you out to observe it is that 152 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,159 Max and Hughes was way more successful in getting his foot on the outside of 153 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,639 where George cambosis foot was, which was what enabled him to fire those hard 154 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,639 straight left hands and land and do some damage even though he's not a big, 155 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,799 big puncher, and Cambosas was seemingly awfully be fuddled and had a lot 156 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,679 of problems dealing with the with the south boss stance, and so from that 157 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:33,000 standpoint, he was able. In my estimation, I's not alone you and 158 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,919 lots of other people that watch it thought that that was enough for him to 159 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:41,080 be able to outland and outbox George Cambosis. I never liked to get involved 160 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,360 in using as a proxy straight copybox as a reason I got up on the 161 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,320 fights because I just won't do that. And there's nothing against copy box. 162 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,159 Like I said, they do a good job, but it's only a guy 163 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,440 to the fight. I've seen many fights where a guy may be outlanded and 164 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,440 the other guy wins, And I always make the point here in the most 165 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,600 extreme example, you could outland me a thousand to one, but if my 166 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,360 one knocks your fucking head off and you go down for ten, I win. 167 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,320 So that's right. Keep mind, so I'm not going to use the 168 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,919 copy box as the guy, and the stats weren't that wide apart. Uh. 169 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,399 But if you have two eyes and you paid attention to the fight, 170 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,480 Maxie, he was controlled the fight. That's it, end of story. 171 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,799 And it's terrible because uh and by the way, I don't this is not 172 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,879 I don't And I say this also about controversial with shit decisions. Can't get 173 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,200 on George Campos about it. He went in there and fought as best as 174 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,200 he could, fought his heart out as did Max Hus. It's not a 175 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,840 matter of uh, the blaming the boxer because he didn't do anything wrong. 176 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,559 I mean, I always thinking about the case of Timothy Bradley and all the 177 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:39,799 all the ship that rolled downhill when he got the victory against Manny pack Out 178 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,000 and everybody blamed him when it wasn't him, it was it was the judge, 179 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,679 as it was Bradley that took the brunt of that. Uh. But 180 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,840 I felt really bad for MAXI Hughes. This a guy that's been kind of 181 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,600 a journeyman fighter for his career. This was his biggest moment ever fighting in 182 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:58,240 a chance to fight for an actual world title and uh and uh and got 183 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,960 screwed and it sucks all right, So one more aspect to this just to 184 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,039 eliminate it. And I'm gonna give credit here to one of our writers on 185 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,759 Big Fight Weekend dot Com, Sadika med wrote about this on Sunday and we 186 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,279 put this out on social media. So the specific judge that we're going to 187 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:18,639 hone in on is Joseph Mason. He is a Colorado based judge. He 188 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,919 had the one seventeen to one eleven card, which again is indefensible. I 189 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:26,840 mean, I know that Joe Tessa Tour was kind of joking around after the 190 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:30,720 fight. Hey, you'd like to sit down with the judge and have pizza 191 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,279 and beer and have him show you the nine rounds. No, I'm not 192 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,600 going to go along with that. You would say, Joseph, you're not 193 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:41,440 allowed to work anymore title fights because the card is so off, or any 194 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,559 the very least. Yeah, at the very least. I want to hear 195 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,960 his explanation and just tell me what you were seeing. And here's the problem. 196 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,919 The reason why this stuff gets people so upset, and myself and any 197 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,440 others you whoever I'm sure Maxie used, is that very very rarely. It 198 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:07,840 happens occasionally, but it's very very rare that there's any accountability than here, 199 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,679 let me finish, and the regulators let me finish in my Rayfield impersonation. 200 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:18,240 So where I'm coming on the accountability is this guy has had two awful cards 201 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:24,840 recently in prominent main event fights that should have been some kind of red alert 202 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,840 that there is questionable judging in his background, on his competency and on his 203 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:35,320 accountability. One of those fights is the region's Progray recent title fight with Zoria 204 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,919 that was very hard to stomach and watch, very few punches landed, and 205 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:45,679 he had that fight one sided for Progray when it really looked like a fifty 206 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:48,200 fifty fight. Now in his defense, in Mason's defense, one of the 207 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:54,000 other judges in that fight had it very wide for Progray. But still two 208 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,639 of them not being competent or not being right doesn't mean that it absolves the 209 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,159 other one from not being or not being right. It was a bad card 210 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,000 and what was a very close fight that Zaria could have just as easily won, 211 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,519 and he had the fight one seventeen to one eleven. He also had 212 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,120 another card in another fight, and you may know, off the top of 213 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,039 your head, I was looking for the date on this the Channard Bunch Janielsen 214 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:22,159 Boca Chica fight. In that case, this same judge also had an awful 215 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:28,399 card where Bunch was apparently winning this fight, was winning the fight on the 216 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,320 other judges cards, and yet Joseph Mason, this same judge, had Boca 217 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,919 Chica winning ninety six ninety four in complete disagreement with his other judges, and 218 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,480 again it was deemed to be an awful card. You may remember more about 219 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,240 that and how recent that was. My point on the accountability Exactly what you 220 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,480 just said is, with those two previous cards, what is this guy doing 221 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,320 working a main event fight on top rank I know, in looking I'm answering 222 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,000 my own question and looking at his list, he mainly works cards in Colorado, 223 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,679 not TELEVI, not a big time thing. But he got the assignment 224 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,120 for the program title fight in New Orleans by the WBC. He was on 225 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,000 their list and he worked that title fight. Here he is on top ranks 226 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:15,039 list to work the main event fight. Well, let's not, let's not, 227 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:18,360 let's not mix things up. It's not a top rank list. Well 228 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:22,559 not a top rank Olahoma, I'm sorry. The Oklahoma list and top rankers 229 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:24,879 clarify that because I had a bunch of fucking idiots on Twitter today saying that 230 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,440 it's corrupt because top rank picks the judges and they wanted Cambosas to win, 231 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,080 and nothing could be I mean, they probably did want Cambosas to win, 232 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,960 but nothing could be further from the truth as far as who picks judges. 233 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:41,679 In no place in the world, there's the promoter pick the judges certain Oklahoma 234 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:45,240 and the IBF, because it's an IBF alone, it's not even the IBF. 235 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,120 It's not even I mean, yes, a would they have had input, 236 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,159 don't think there. But listen, I'm gonna say this one time and 237 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:58,639 pay attention everybody. The sanctioned bodies often will provide a list of who they'd 238 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:04,559 like to see and as a courtesy out you know, the locations, those 239 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:10,799 regulating agencies, in those state commissions or tribal commissions, they may go over 240 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,039 the list, and because they respect what they do and all that, they 241 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,279 may say okay, and they'll take one of the lists. But in the 242 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,000 end, there's only one group that officially picks judges and referees for fights. 243 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,879 And if the sanctioning bodies don't like it, or the promoters don't like it, 244 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:27,679 they can take their business elsewhere, and that is up to the State 245 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,879 Commission. So, as one example, when they select the judges and the 246 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,840 referee for the Arrow Spence Terence Crawford fight coming up this week at the meeting 247 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:40,799 that they're going to have in Las Vegas, it's up to the commission. 248 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,320 Now, what the Commission will do is they will ahead of time tell both 249 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,519 sides Spence's team and Crawford's team. They will provide them the list of the 250 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,840 pool people that are on the list. I believe it'll be six judges and 251 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:57,879 six referees something like that that they will choose somebody of so everybody has it 252 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,440 in front of them, and if for some reason that either side does not 253 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:07,119 like a particular referee or judge, and they can make the case, then 254 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,920 that might that person might be dropped from the list. And in the end, 255 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,079 the commission will be responsible for choosing one of those people from the referee 256 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,920 list from the pool, and they'll pick three judges out of the pool period. 257 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,160 And if the promoter doesn't like it or the boxer doesn't like it, 258 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,039 it's too bad, and that's the way it is. So the promoter had 259 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,960 nothing to do with choosing these three officials for the fight. That's on the 260 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:34,359 Oklahoma regulators. And also there's also state commissions, I mean regular rather tribal 261 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,119 commissions in Oklahoma and other states that would do the same thing. It's not 262 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,039 up to the promoter or the fighter. Are we done with that nonsense? 263 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:47,200 Good? Good with that clarification. And wasn't there I remember Jis Kleimus was 264 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:49,400 making this and I'm trying to remember what the fight was in the last month 265 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,480 or two where they were objecting on the front end to that judge whoever it 266 00:17:55,599 --> 00:18:00,039 was, and that judge had a questionable call in one of his moments of 267 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,960 any Probably yes, they were upset with that judge. They objected in Nevada 268 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,400 to that judge, and just like you're saying, it's taken under consideration, 269 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:15,680 but it's ultimately up to the Nevada Commission and whom they approve. So for 270 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,920 whatever it's worth, there's a good explanation on how it happens. But you 271 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,680 agree with me, there's now enough fire forget about smoke. Why why is 272 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,559 this guy working big time fights? Where's the accountability with that kind of card, 273 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,839 in that kind of fight. It's what plagues the sport. Where is 274 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,039 the accountability? So there you go, I mean, and the thing is 275 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:40,480 his card overshadows his terrible card kind of ends up giving cover to Sutherland, 276 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,519 and Ritter Sutherland had a draw to me. Again, it's my opinion is 277 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:51,119 like the outside of acceptableness, the fifteen thirteen is a real problem and his 278 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,039 shitty card gives cover. And that's not the first time it happens. Sometimes 279 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:56,200 you see a decision that's terrible, but it's you know, I'll put it 280 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,599 to you like this. If all three judges scored the fight one fifteen, 281 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,640 one thirteen in favor of cambosis, there'll be a lot less outcrier who plow 282 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,920 or even if it was one fifteen thirteen, one fifteen, one thirteen and 283 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,839 one fourteen one fourteen, people would still be up in arms about it. 284 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 But it's the crazy outlier card that drives people out, free up the wall 285 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 and causes the chaos. Two more points than We're gonna move on to Keyshawn 286 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,839 Davis and the co feature and move on to other stuff, including Fulton in 287 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,079 a way, and we're going to talk a lot about that in a couple 288 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,000 of moments. Camboss said in the ring after the fight, I will give 289 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,519 him a rematch. He deserves a rematch down the road, not immediately. 290 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,519 I see your look. I don't think he gets anywhere near this guy to 291 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:34,960 ever fight him again because of the southpaw stance, etc. I see it 292 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,799 in your face. You don't believe that, and I don't believe it. 293 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:38,720 I don't believe. I mean, listen, Georgian, it is good that 294 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 he said that in all, but you know, there's other business and he 295 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:42,839 did make the point he so why would I give him the media rematch. 296 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,799 I don't even think under the odd and I'd be laughing out loud at my 297 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:49,480 TV going because you lost this fight because he deserves to have his hand raise 298 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,200 and you lost. That's why. But his next stop is, as he 299 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,079 said, it's the IBF title because this was the eliminator. Or whether you 300 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:57,960 like the business or not, they're not changing it. It's not there's nothing 301 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,799 to protest or or you know, the same stuff that went on with the 302 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,119 Loma and Haney fight whatever. Although I didn't really have a problem with that 303 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,839 decision. But the bottom line is George Cambosa's next fight most likely will be 304 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,160 for the vacant IBF lightweight title, and you know, Max Hughes will have 305 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,640 to figure out what he wants to do. I hope that somebody gives him 306 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,000 a chance to do something. The problem with Maxie Hughes and Frankly Camboss it 307 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,759 was such a shitty fight that it's gonna be hard. You know. It's 308 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,640 not like Hughes had this incredible performance and he looked great and he made it 309 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,759 exciting, everybody wants to see him again. It was just a very pedestrian 310 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,599 kind of boring fight. So I certainly don't have anything bad to say about 311 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:36,920 Max Hughes. I was glad to see him put in that kind of effort 312 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,440 and felt bad that he didn't get the decision. But is somebody out there 313 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,240 gonna be willing to pay a lot of money to put him on in a 314 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,519 big fight. That's who knows. I mean, it seems unlikely, but 315 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,079 I hope for his sake he does get another opportunity. Okay, So on 316 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:55,960 that co feature, Keyshawn Davis won and won easily over Francesco Ptera of Mexico. 317 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:00,359 Knocked him down. I thought we might be looking at a late ko, 318 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,559 but to Petera's credit, he hung in. He was even firing back 319 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,319 at Keishaw Davis late. So give me your thoughts on another dominant win for 320 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,200 the former US Olympic silver medalist. I mean, Keishan Davis is a work 321 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,039 in progress. He's now nine and oh, I do reject entirely the notion 322 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,759 that he feels like he should be fighting for world titles in his next fight 323 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:19,720 and all that. You know, not everybody is Loma Chenko and he's going 324 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:22,200 to come and fight for world titles in their first handful of fights. And 325 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:26,160 I actually thought that what Brian McIntyre, who's his trainer, said in his 326 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,279 interview is that yes, he knows that his fighter wants to get right to 327 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,440 that big spot row read immediately, but he understands he does need some more 328 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,079 seasoning and the fact that, uh that he scored a knock down and couldn't 329 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:37,880 finish him like that, and maybe he is a part of that. You 330 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,480 do need some season I'm not saying he needs thirty fights or anything before he 331 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,279 can fight for a title, but he probably needs you know, two to 332 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,000 three, you know, maybe next year, and then then after that he 333 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:51,000 gets another gets the sort of bigger fight. He wants to move quick, 334 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:55,480 and I totally appreciate the you know, the excitement and the exuberance to get 335 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,960 your career going and get into the bigger money and bigger profile fights. I 336 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,640 don't think he's a great prospect. I just don't think he's ready for that 337 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,079 just yet. He did get to the knocked down, but he also have 338 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,000 to remember the fighter he was fighting. It's not like he's a superstar Francis 339 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,440 so Patara, but he he he was there to try to win. Also, 340 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,319 he did the best that he could when he was taking punishment, he 341 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,519 dished it out. Also he gave it back to a degree. And you 342 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,000 know, he's now got four losses, has never been stopped, So it 343 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,240 wasn't really I don't think an accident that he didn't get knocked out by Keshan 344 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,279 Davis. The bottom line is this was actually a good ten rounds for Keshan 345 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:26,920 to get some of that professional experience that he needs. That will serve him 346 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,640 well as he moves along in his career and eventually does get the opportunity to 347 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,240 fight for bigger fights and titles, etc. And look, the lightweight division 348 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,319 is loaded. It's about to have a lot of opportunity because of the fact 349 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,839 that we all think that Heiny is moving up and wait, those belts will 350 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,920 become vacated. Not to say that Keshan's in position to fight for one of 351 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,160 the vacant titles, but what it does is it kind of it relieves some 352 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,759 of the congestion and guys start to fight. Titles become filled, and there's 353 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:55,279 eliminators that get decided, and maybe he fits into one of those at some 354 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,279 point. But I'd say I agreed with what Keishan said, have to fight. 355 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,359 He you know, he graded himself. He said, I give myself 356 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000 like a C plus B minus. I thought that was a really honest and 357 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,480 fair assessment of his performance. Yes, he won a shutout and two scorecards 358 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,759 and one round went to Peter. On the other scorecard, he did score 359 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,519 the knockdown, but I kind of thought he would stop the guy. I 360 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:19,680 kind of expect a little more. Pizzaz. I'm gonna mark him off for 361 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:25,640 his team agreeing to let Tessator do that absurd interview with him during his ring 362 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,960 walk, which you know it's not see it, but I saw your reaction. 363 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,599 So he was literally doing a walking talk as he came through the ring. 364 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,960 Yes, Now, then that's not Keishan's fault, and it's you know, 365 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,039 that's when when you're the broadcaster, that's something that comes to you from 366 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,640 your producer. So I don't in any way lay that at the feet of 367 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,519 Joe Testator, who's a tremendous broadcaster. He was doing what he was told, 368 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,240 but it was a badly thought of idea. It was even a worse 369 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,720 executed idea because you could barely hear what Keishan was saying since he was wearing 370 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,680 the Spider Man outfit with the with the mask on. It was just a 371 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,440 freaking train wreck all the way. It's a Saturday Night Live sketch. Just 372 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,319 wow. Bottom line is interview fighters in the dress room, and he must 373 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,920 set fine interview them after the fight if they're medically okay to do so fine. 374 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,359 I've even seen at one time or another, you know, over the 375 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,440 course of years, they might even have a guy make a comment towards them 376 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,440 during the actual fight or when they're in their corner, but during the ringwalk, 377 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,559 it's come on, that's it's showtime at that moment. You know, 378 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,079 it just seemed a very poorly executed idea. I just did not like that 379 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,960 at all. I'm now on a little bit of a tangent, But in 380 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,480 the end, look Keishan Davis. He keeps the train moving, got good 381 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,680 ten round experience against a solid guy. And by the way, the reason 382 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:40,359 why this was the opponent that ended up being a contracted for the fight is 383 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,920 when Top Rank was looking around for an opponent for Keishan to face, they 384 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,480 were looking for a fighter who was in the ratings among the Sanctation bodies, 385 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,079 and Patara is in the lower part of the rankings, and you know they 386 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,759 wanted that ranking. And by beating a guy in the ratings, that's going 387 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:57,279 to help Keshan's ratings improved, because at some point when he does get the 388 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,039 chance to fight for a world title, it seems like he's gonna be the 389 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,599 kind of guy that not a lot of guys are gonna rush to fight that 390 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:07,079 just to heads their bets. They're gonna have to put him into a mandatory 391 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,799 position. And you know, as I have been told numerous times through the 392 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,640 years, you get him in the mandatory position and then you worry about how 393 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000 you're gonna get or who you're gonna fight for the title, not the other 394 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,880 way around. So you get the position. You can always turn down the 395 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,319 title fight. If you're a matchmaker a promoter, you don't feel your guys 396 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,839 ready, but the idea is lock in this position. So when you think 397 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,119 your guys ready, then you can take advantage of it, as opposed to 398 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359 the other way around, where the guy's ready and then you gotta wait for 399 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,079 six months or a year to get him in the position. You get the 400 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,640 guy in the position, and you worry about doing the title fight next or 401 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:38,480 later. You don't do it the other way around, and they're in the 402 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,359 process of getting Keyshun in position, and they'll worry about it later when if 403 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,920 they believe he's ready for that fight. The conversation will continue in a moment. 404 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,519 First, a couple of words about a couple of sponsors. 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Here's where just because of the way that it falls Tuesday morning 442 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:32,440 US time, Tuesday night in Japan, even though this is a recap podcast 443 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,119 that's out late Sunday and a Monday, we get to preview this one. 444 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640 In fairness, you and I have already previewed it on the bet US Show 445 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,359 bet US's Boxing show on their platform's YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, etc. 446 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880 We did this on Friday, so they can go back and watch the full 447 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,799 handicapping version. But let's get into this just a little more here for the 448 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,160 podcast audience, we're both excited for this. At the time we're doing this, 449 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,839 it is Sunday evening US time. They're gonna have the way in in 450 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,079 a few hours from the time that we're doing this, and then fight is 451 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,880 obviously Sat. Thursday, Tuesday night, excuse me, Tuesday night in Japan, 452 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Tuesday morning in the US. So we're interested in this, and with 453 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,559 good reason. This has the potential to be a tremendous fight, So give 454 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,160 me a couple of thoughts on it, because now it's about to be here 455 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,839 in the preview mode. Listen. As soon as this fight was made, 456 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,000 myself and I think most diehard boxing fans were like, this is one of 457 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,359 the greatest fights you can make in the sport today. This is the bandom 458 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,319 Waite, undisputed champion in a way, one of the best fighters in the 459 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,160 world, undefeated, big puncher, big star, just the tremendous fighter, 460 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,759 three division champion, legit pound for pound quality guy taken on, you know, 461 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,680 as he moves up in wait having vacated those undisputed titles. You know, 462 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,839 all the belts at one eighteen going up to junior featherweight to fight a 463 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,000 fighter in Fulton who has two of the titles, who I think is by 464 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,640 acclamation considered number one in the weight class. No offense to Marlin, to 465 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,279 Polace who holds the other two belts who pulled the upset against Aclandalaieff to win 466 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,480 them. Nobody really ever had Akmandali of number one. And to Paulus you 467 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:04,799 know, again, all due respect, I don't think anybody has him number 468 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,839 one coming off that win. Fulton's the guy. He's got wins that matter. 469 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,440 You know, he'd beat Danny Roman, a former unified champion. He 470 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,160 beat Brandon Figueroa in a unification fight that was a great fight, Fight of 471 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,799 the year candidate. You know, he beat Angelo Leo to win the title, 472 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,240 who was an undefeated fighter. I mean he's you know, he doesn't 473 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,000 have a long track record of the top fights, but of the weight class 474 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,599 as it exists today. He's the best guy and he looks to part as 475 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,519 far as like, you know, there's what you've done and how you when 476 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,279 you watch the guy fight, what do you think of the performance? You 477 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,759 know when he seems like he's a well rounded fighter. He's got good talent, 478 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:40,279 good skills, good speed, good iq. Not the biggest puncher, 479 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,359 although he disagreed with me about that on our podcast that we had him on 480 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,200 not that long ago. People can go back a couple of shows ago and 481 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,359 listen to that. I you know, he's a fearless guy. He embraced 482 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,599 going to Japan. Not a lot of guys want to do that. Obviously. 483 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,960 Part of that is getting paid more money than he's ever made even close 484 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160 to it for this fight. You know, my understanding isn't getting in like 485 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,720 the three to four million dollar range for this fight, which is this money? 486 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,319 Yeah, you know, a guy that's never been a big draw or 487 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,839 sold a bunch of tickets or anything like, it's a you know, it's 488 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,359 a for him. It's a huge opportunity. And yes, money of course 489 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,519 plays a huge rolling, But I do genuinely believe that Stephen Fulton was the 490 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:18,799 kind of guy in my interactions with him, that wanted to test himself that 491 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,559 you know, if I'm not going for the biggest fights, why am I 492 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,680 in this sport. He's got a certain level of accomplishment in his weight class, 493 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,119 and he had the opportunity to go over and fight one of the biggest 494 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,119 stars in the sport, and he's taking and I think he's gonna show up, 495 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,599 and I think he's gonna fight his ass off, and I think in 496 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,359 a way is going to do the same thing. Now, remember this fight 497 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200 was scheduled earlier in the year in March. It was postponed because in a 498 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,480 way had a dislocated knuckle that I reported about that They seldn really talked about 499 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,079 the injury of what it was, but my sources that told me it was 500 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,160 a dislocated knuckle. He's okay now apparently, and they're doing the fight now 501 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,319 just a little bit later on, as I joked, instead of being the 502 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,039 best fight of the spring, it's one of the best fights of the summers. 503 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,960 What we've got going on, and it listen it is. It's an 504 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640 eight plus fight. I mean, if it wasn't in Japan and it was 505 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,759 a take in place in the United States, it'd be like the big fight 506 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,680 of the week on you know, HBO in the old days or Showtime or 507 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,240 ESPN or whatever, and it would be, you know, a much bigger 508 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960 event. But this is now, it's kind of hidden away from the Americans. 509 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,359 They did a great job promoting and hyping it up on the ESPN broadcast 510 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,319 during the Cambosis and Hues fight. And just so people know, because I've 511 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,000 gotten this question already like a million times on my social media. They start 512 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:27,240 to broadcast on ESPM plus four thirty in the morning am four thirty am Eastern 513 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,079 Time Tuesday. That's when the stream starts. But they got about four fights 514 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:34,920 on the show, a couple of Japanese fights, and we'll talk about this 515 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,359 in a minute. The Robessi Ramires featherweight title defense is the co feature and 516 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,200 then the main event. So the stream is at four thirty Robo Ramirez approximately 517 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:50,000 six ish, and the main event they say approximately eight ish am Eastern, 518 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,559 So set your alarms and plan accordingly. I don't want to hear anybody telling 519 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,079 me they missed it because they didn't know what time it was. But less 520 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,720 end of the day, t J. It's a great fight, and the 521 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,400 good news is again it's on ESPN Plus where you can get it on demand, 522 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,400 even if you're having to watch it a couple of hours later, because 523 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,079 I fully realize you and I are in the Eastern time zone. If you're 524 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,440 in the Mountain or Pacific time zone, you're talking about five o'clock in the 525 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,839 morning or six o'clock in the morning earlier. To try to watch the main 526 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,200 event. Not everybody know the results, Stay off Twitter, that's right off 527 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,200 your phone, and then and then watch and enjoy. Okay, a couple 528 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,319 of other aspects to this, and again you and I are both on board. 529 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,519 You like the n a way for handicapping purposes, the monster ko. 530 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,880 I think Fulton hangs in. I think this is a distance fight. We're 531 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,559 gonna find out. It's interesting because this has come out over the weekend, 532 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,720 So let's address this that. At the Saturday press conference, Fulton's trainer, 533 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:47,039 Waheed rahim It brought up the hand wraps of in a way that he uses. 534 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:51,359 And they've seen the hand wraps and they've seen the hands being wrapped. 535 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,039 They are questioning whether or not rapping with the tape then putting more gauze and 536 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,240 rapping with the tape a second time doesn't create ate almost like a plaster effect, 537 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:07,559 almost like a bigger not so much padding, but almost plaster, harder 538 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,760 ability to punch through the padding of the glove effect. They went so far 539 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,559 as to say that they would be willing to you know, they would be 540 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,119 willing to say, okay, we'll wrap our hands the same way, but 541 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,159 what about fighter safety? So there's obviously an objection to that. How big 542 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,000 of a deal do you think this really is? Or is this gamesmanship? 543 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:30,480 What do you make of this? Because he clearly spent time and answered a 544 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,280 couple of questions about it at the press conference. The head trainer for Fulton, 545 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,800 I mean to me, it's I mean, maybe from their point of 546 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,400 view, it's a legitimate question. Part of it could be games and the 547 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,440 ship also just to you know, to get any little edge mentally, to 548 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,599 kind of disrupt or, you know, or aggravate or whatever, to get 549 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:46,800 your opponent thinking about things they don't want to be thinking about. I mean, 550 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 to unnerve them, to needle them. I mean, you know, 551 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,079 there's boxing is physical, but there's a lot of mind games when you go 552 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,039 into these types of fights. For sure, I expect to see some of 553 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,199 that next week, you know, are coming up and later in the week 554 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,599 with Benson Crawford, you know, big stakes. Obviously. My understanding is 555 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:07,079 that the way that he wraps his hands is by the rules of what the 556 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,800 Japanese Boxing Commission allows and how they have done it. And there's a ton 557 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,239 of fighters that have traveled to Japan and I've never heard that being issue before. 558 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,039 I mean, I don't know. I'm the hand rapping expert. The 559 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,679 one thing I am understand is that at least here in the United States anyway, 560 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,920 you can't put tape on the hand. Glau's got to go on the 561 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,119 hand first and tape over the hand. If you put the tape on the 562 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:30,079 hand, that may make it a little bit more hard because of the sweat 563 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,280 and then it gets wet and it just becomes a bit of a problem and 564 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,079 you have to do it in the appropriate way. Most trainers, so I've 565 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,440 talked, they don't really care how much tape you use as long as it's 566 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880 not on the skin, and it's if it's on the I mean, there's 567 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,199 still rules they have to follow, but they want the gauze first, and 568 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,519 the tape over the gauze. So again, this is not going to stop 569 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,239 the fight. That maybe gamesmanship, maybe they have a valid point about it, 570 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,760 but in the end, Stephen Fulton is not walking away from this fight 571 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,119 in a way is not going to radically alter the way his hands have always 572 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,920 been wrapped, unless how some way the Japanese Commission makes a thing about it. 573 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,920 And I'll say this, I don't remember there being a problem when in 574 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,079 a way, who has fought the vast majority of his career in Japan, 575 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,920 but he has had at least, off top of my head, at least 576 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,199 three fights in the United States, one in Los Angeles, two in Las 577 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,280 Vegas, and there had never been any questions or issues that I'm aware of 578 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,679 in terms of things related to his hand wraps. So you know, I 579 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,480 do think it's probably much to do about nothing, but I don't blame them. 580 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,679 Just make sure when the fight's going on that you know you're have your 581 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,880 guy in there watching the raps the proper way, and make sure if you're 582 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,599 in a way that you have one of your people watching Fulton, just to 583 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:36,440 make sure there's no funny business. So two or three interesting points, because 584 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,599 we did have this debate before, and we'll just do this real quickly. 585 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,760 First of all, you brought up he's got a knuckle injury, so you've 586 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,960 got to be careful. You don't want him reinjured once the fight is going 587 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,079 on on how you wrap the hands and make sure they're protected, So that's 588 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,239 a concern. The second thing is I remember this from the rematch with don 589 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,079 Are. They used different gloves than the first flight fight, and I remember 590 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,840 you talking to us about, hey, when you're selecting the different style of 591 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,599 glove, you testified here on the podcast that it can have an effect, 592 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,800 and there is no doubt he blitzed done Air in the second round of that 593 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,880 fight when it was a great twelve round fight the first goal round, So 594 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,119 that kind of adds to the Okay, how much I don't remember. I 595 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,960 don't remember what did they switch the brands or something like that, right, 596 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,079 and it was a different brand with a different feel or whatever, and it 597 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,159 made it have made that a big a deal, But it just adds to 598 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,079 the intrigue on how much do the wraps and the gloves really matter or not. 599 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,320 If you've got big time punching power, gloves make a big difference. 600 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,119 They make a big difference. There's a reason why, guys, you set 601 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,880 it out in the in the boardroom, you know, in the contract stage, 602 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,840 to get the kind of gloves they want. Now, the greatest example 603 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,440 that I can think of is the first fight between Manny Paco and Eric Morales 604 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:45,599 where Morales was allowed to use uh the Rayas gloves and or I'm sorry, 605 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,840 I forget who it was. One of them wanted to use the winning gloves 606 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,360 that were more protective of the hand. The other one, I think it 607 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,079 was Morales, I wanted to use the Rayas and uh pack was upset when 608 00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:57,400 his side negotiated that away. Um and a lot of people like, oh, 609 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,119 what's the big deal. It's like gloves, Like, so you're wearing 610 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:00,239 a pair of Nikes or in a pair of Adidas or you're wearing a pair 611 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,920 of Rebox whatever. I'm gonna tell you something again. I have there. 612 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,199 They're eight ounce gloves. They weigh the same. But I have literally stood 613 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,119 and I've held a Ray's glove in one hand and I've held a winning glove 614 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,679 in the other hand. And I'm gonna tell you right now, not that 615 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,639 I want to get hit with either one, but I would a thousand times 616 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,000 rather get hit with that winning glove than with the raised glove. The Rayers 617 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,760 Ray's gloves, which is known as the quote unquote puncher's glove. They're small, 618 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,719 it feels like, and they're sharp on the sides, and it's just 619 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480 a different feel winning, you know, not to be to exaggerate, but 620 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,679 they are like pillows. No I'm not sure which what kind that in a 621 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,159 way and foldon are going to use, but that and that this is not 622 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,760 the issue in this case. It's more about the wrapping. But there is 623 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,400 a difference in the type of gloves that that that fighters select. I mean, 624 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,800 there was a whole big thing I remember having. I joked around about 625 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000 it not that long ago with Leonard Ellerbye, you know him, and I 626 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:58,079 unfortunately got into a terrible shouting match in the media center when Floyd was fighting 627 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,159 Madonna and one of their fights over the conversity of the gloves where they ended 628 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:05,119 up paying Madonna. I think it was like six hundred thousand dollars additional to 629 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,199 make him change his random gloves really the kind that Mayweather wanted real and it 630 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,639 was a whole big to do. Um, trust me it gloves matter. 631 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,960 Six hundred thousand dollars payoff to switch the gloves. That is striking. That 632 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,000 is striking, and so that's why you are who you are. On the 633 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,320 gloves, he wanted like them to wear the I think it was the everlast 634 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,400 power lock version, but he wanted the other everlast version. And there is 635 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,280 a difference. And you know, listening like if you if you're the best 636 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,480 guitar player in the world and somebody screws me these strings, you know it. 637 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,440 You know, if somebody moves like the same thing with the same thing 638 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,000 with a baseball bat, or with golf clubs or anything else, it's by 639 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,880 field, same thing with boxing gloves or wraps or anything you're using with your 640 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,480 hand, you're gonna know that it feels differently, or that the same keyboard 641 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,119 in my office and suddenly somebody puts a new keyboard in front of my computer. 642 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,119 I'm gonna know there's a difference. I want what I want. So 643 00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:59,159 so two other things. One it reminds me of the Deonte Wilder controversy with 644 00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:00,760 Tyson Fury. What or you believe about that? About the gloves where the 645 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,039 gloves loaded up? Are we're going to use a different type of glove? 646 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,440 There have been battles. Is the point over gloves? A bunch? This 647 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,800 is about hand wraps. I'm going to impress you right here because I know 648 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,079 why they don't do it anymore. But back in the day long ago, 649 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,559 in the nostalgia, they would have the fighters come to the ring and then 650 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,400 they would wrap their hands in the ring and glove up in the ring. 651 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,960 The reason they don't do that now is you want to build up the anticipation 652 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,320 for the fight. You want to have them come to the ring, have 653 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,039 everybody anticipating, and then start the fight, not stand around for ten minutes 654 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,719 to wrap the hands, wrap the gloves, put the gloves on, lace 655 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,519 them up, tape them up, shadow box a little bit to get loose, 656 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,599 and then do the introductions. But I just I think that part is 657 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,039 fascinating people. People have to understand that in the thirties, forties, fifties, 658 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,840 and maybe all the way up, maybe even into the sixties, they 659 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,119 were still wrapping seventies in the ring, even in the seventies, and it 660 00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,239 was being done in the open in front of everybody to watch what's going on. 661 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,000 That's why that's necessary. I mean, I'm not saying it is. 662 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,400 I'm saying they do it in the back room. Both sides are allowed to 663 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,239 watch the other side wrap. They've got the officials there from the commission. 664 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,199 And once they're wrapped up and they're gloved up, obviously there's an inspector there 665 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,400 that shadows them everything, every every spot that they go, and they spend 666 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,400 some of the time, you know, loosening up, and they do hit 667 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960 mits and and and you know it's not just shadow box and they hit the 668 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,320 mits. And that's a better way to do it. Like you said, 669 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,440 it's it serves a better purpose for the public, and it serves a better 670 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,320 purpose for the athlete. All right, and real quick, the co feature 671 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:34,480 fight again is Robi Ramirez and Shamizu. Shamizu again older not a lot of 672 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:38,239 pro fights. Ramirez on the rise as the featherweight world champ, the WBO 673 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,679 featherweight world champ. He's a decided favorite. You and I both agreed on 674 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,239 the bet Us show this should be a Robes Ramirez knockout, and this is 675 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,679 just gonna be something real quick on that because that's the co feature fight. 676 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,800 Somewhere around six six thirty Eastern time. Adjust your time zone accordingly Tuesday morning 677 00:41:55,079 --> 00:42:00,320 as we preview this before the main event Fulton and the Monster. Yeah, 678 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,599 I mean, look, Robesi Ramiers is on the ascent. He's a two 679 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:06,159 time Cuban Olympic gold medalist. We've all we all know. It's been well 680 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,880 chronicled how he lost his professional debut uh for for uh you know, which 681 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,920 seemed like a disaster at the time, but he's certainly certainly strained himself out 682 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,880 since then, changed teams and he's been on a great run. Had an 683 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,440 excellent performance in his last fight to win the vacant WBO title where he really 684 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,519 essentially shut out Isaac dog Bay to a large degree, scored a knockdown in 685 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,840 the twelfth round that he didn't need to necessarily get the win, but just 686 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,559 made it. Like the cherry on top. So he's he's on the ascent. 687 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,280 He's a tremendous fighter and do a lot of different things. Can fight 688 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,840 going forward, can fight going backward, can fight like a you know, 689 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,639 uh with both hands. Um. But he's this output also and when top 690 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,639 rank, you know, who's the co promoter for in a way, when 691 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,760 when the NWA team was putting together this event, they wanted a second world 692 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,239 title fight, and so they took Ramirez who was available and was ready to 693 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,440 come back on short note, you know, not short notice, but not 694 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,079 that long after his title win that was in in April, So it's it 695 00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,519 is a relatively short turnaround, and he's gonna go over there and fight this 696 00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,840 fight, and they're giving the opportunity to Shimizu and Mesu. As you mentioned, 697 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,159 he's he's got, you know, a pedestrian career so far in the 698 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,960 sense he hasn't really ever fought a top name. He's eleven and one with 699 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,920 ten knockouts. His one loss was by a knockout. He's also a South 700 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,039 PA. He's thirty seven years old, but he's known in Japan because he 701 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:20,440 also was a two time Olympian, although much earlier in the days than Robici 702 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,880 Ramirez. So he's getting this opportunity. He has won three fights in a 703 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,800 row, and uh, I think they sort of look at it like, 704 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,639 you know, he's near the end of his career or at least in terms 705 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,280 of his age, and so we're gonna get him this opportunity and as I 706 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,639 as I have sort of thought, they're kind of like feeding him to the 707 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,239 wolf, to the young guy um or the much younger guy. And so 708 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,880 it's a chance for Ramirez on a bigger stage just in the United States in 709 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,239 terms of worldwide, going to Asia where there's lots of title fights to take 710 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,320 place in those way classes over the years, to shine on a big card 711 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,519 and uh, maybe gained some fans. And uh, you know, he'll 712 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,880 be the bad guy obviously because he's gonna be in there with a with a 713 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,880 Japanese fighter that all the crowd will be rooting for. But uh, it's 714 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,000 a I view it as sort of a showcase fight for Amiras not quite the 715 00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,719 same as the main event, which is that a level fifty fifty matchup, 716 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,639 which is like I said, I know, we spent a lot of time 717 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:13,760 on the rap still just from a pure fight and fan a fan fight. 718 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,159 It's just an awesome matchup. And by the way, we didn't discuss this 719 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,559 about it. It took five minutes from them to make the fight. We 720 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,519 spent five years dicking around trying to get Crawford and Spence in the ring together, 721 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,800 and thankfully the fight next week. When when When in a Way won 722 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,920 the bandom Wait undisputed title by knocking out Paul Butler at the end of last 723 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,519 year and said in his interview afterwards he was gonna go up and wait, 724 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,360 and he had said it before the fight even happened, that he was going 725 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,960 to be moving up after this fight and he wanted to fight, you know, 726 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,639 for another world title on a fourth weight division. And then Stephen Fulton 727 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,559 heard that and basically told his people, can we you know, do this? 728 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,159 And I guess the in a way people inquired the bottom line it was 729 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,679 they both sort of thought like, hey, hey, let's fight each other. 730 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000 And I swear to God TJ. It was like a week later the 731 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,400 fight was made. But the point you're making is the fighters wanted the fight 732 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,880 to happen, and Terence Quawford even said to you when the Q and A 733 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,199 that we played on the podcast, you got a quick two questions in for 734 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,400 Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. During the media call last week, Terrence Crawford 735 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,599 said to you on your question, the reason this happened is Errol got on 736 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,400 the phone with me and and we worked it out, and Arrow basically allayed 737 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,800 whatever the latest fears were to get it to get it worked out. In 738 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,079 this they also could have got on the phone five years ago. I mean 739 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,360 that's true too, And I will continue to say this all week long. 740 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,079 We have to pick sides with all this. The reason this fight has not 741 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,679 happened for this long is Terrence Crawford didn't want the fight to happen, especially 742 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,840 last year when he was a promotional free agent, and last summer became last 743 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,599 fall became last winner, and Terence Crawford, as it turns out, was 744 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:45,679 working his own deal to fight somebody else. So incontrovertible. As Don King 745 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,639 used to say, that you were looking to do something else besides fight Errol 746 00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,719 Spence. You're the reason why that fight didn't happen last year. So anyway, 747 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,960 but he said to you, we got on the phone, we got 748 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,719 it worked out. I get the feeling here that in this case these two 749 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,920 guys, while they may not have actually he talked, they realize we need 750 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,079 each other. Fulton realizes this is a huge payday in a way, realizes 751 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,880 this is two belts at once in the upper division against a marketable, big 752 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,719 time name and an American fighter that's a two belt world champion. Let's make 753 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,719 the fight. Let's all make a bunch of money. Let's make the fight 754 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,880 not hard, not hard. When the one thing about that, though in 755 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,559 a way, could have easily gone to junior featherweight, just picked a regular 756 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:27,239 kind of you know, contenders type opponent, made a huge amount of money, 757 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,000 still packed the house, and then after that got the opportunity to fight 758 00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:35,039 for your title. He didn't have to do this now, but he wants 759 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,440 to be great anyone. You know, certain guys have that mentality. They 760 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,280 don't want to screw around. They want to go for the gusto right away. 761 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,559 You know, it's it's uh, I mean to me, it's great. 762 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:45,599 It's a great thing for the sport in a way. As a phenomenal 763 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:47,800 fighter, he's gonna be a Hall of Famer someday, no matter what happens 764 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,559 against Stephen Fulton. And how do you not respect that he went from being 765 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,719 undisputed at bandom wait and said, you know what, now it's on to 766 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,519 junior fearueit. Let me go for the best guy right off the bat, 767 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,800 and same deal with Fulton. Put my titles up, no rematch clause by 768 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,039 the way yea and the way it should be, and I'm going to go 769 00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,880 over to his home country and let's see what happens and hopefully we get a 770 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,039 great fight. Okay. One more note out of all of this is as 771 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,519 we go to Las Vegas later this week for Spence Crawford and all the coverage 772 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,800 that we're gonna have, and let me just say this again by way of 773 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,559 promo here, you want to be locked in on this podcast feed because if 774 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,199 we get special stuff, special interviews, they may be set apart besides just 775 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,199 the big fight, we can preview the full bonanza that we're gonna have like 776 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:36,159 a Vegas buffet on Thursday night into Friday. So keep it locked in here 777 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,519 because we'll have some different stuff on the Big Fight weekend podcast feed as the 778 00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,320 week goes on for Spence Crawford. While we're out in Las Vegas. You 779 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,400 thought it was interesting, and I thought this was I don't understand why we 780 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,360 had to have a coin flip, but there's going to have a there's going 781 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,119 to be a coin flip between Spence and Crawford. I don't know who gets 782 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,800 to call the coin. I would hope the three belt world champion gets to 783 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,159 call the coin and whoever wins the coin flip gets to make the decision to 784 00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:00,960 come out to the ring for second. And you would assume whoever wins wants 785 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,519 to come out. Yeah, that's it to determine who walks last. I 786 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,280 mean that was sort of you know, can you clarify. I don't know 787 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,039 why we're having a coin flip. One guy's got three world titles, one 788 00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,079 guy's got one. The guy that's got one should walk to the ring first. 789 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:20,000 But Errol Spence is also the guy that's the more established star. He's 790 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:22,000 the more established pay per view fighter. It's not a knock on Crawford, 791 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:27,039 I mean, but he's just not the a side in terms of the accomplishment, 792 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,119 which is the number of belts he has in the weight class. For 793 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,119 this fight, it's three against one, and Spence is the guy that is 794 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,960 sold a lot more tickets and sold a lot more pay per view in his 795 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,599 career. So this was one of the things that if it was at all 796 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,119 a concern to Crawford, who wanted to just do it fairly or get his 797 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,159 chance to at least walk when he wanted to. Spence said, okay, 798 00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,239 fine, why are you going to dick around about the little stuff. At 799 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,039 the end of the day, the bell's gonna ring and they're gonna have to 800 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,519 go to battle, and whatever happened in those few minutes should not change what 801 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,760 occurs in terms of a few minutes you're waiting or walking around. Don't they'll 802 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,719 make I'm sure that it's it's fair, and you know, it does kind 803 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,360 of add a little bit of spice if you will to fight weekday have and 804 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,039 said, I actually asked some of the promoter types, you know, when 805 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,679 they're gonna do this coin flip. There was not anything specific. The feeling 806 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,880 was probably at this yes, so that's a probably. See this is where 807 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,800 I rely on you. Who's flipping the coin? I expect Rayfield to get 808 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,320 to the bottom of before it happens. Who's flipping the coin? Is it 809 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,440 a Nevada Commission person? Is it Bob Aram? I want to know if 810 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,159 it's Wayne Newton. Is Newton still playing in Vegas? Is it gonna be 811 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:36,239 Wayne Who's flipping the coin for the ring walk? For Spenson Crawford. I 812 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,280 expect nothing less than you're getting to the bottom of that. I think there's 813 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,480 probably they're gonna I mean again, if they do indeed have it at the 814 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,480 press conference, which will be on Thursday afternoon. I mean they they can 815 00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,920 invite a celebrity, you know, or some maybe the president of the of 816 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,559 THET T Mobile Arena. Maybe it'll be one of the promoters, you know, 817 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,039 if it's Tom Brown, you know who that knows what what's the difference. 818 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,559 It's a fifty fifty choice. I mean, is long as you flip 819 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:01,880 the coin, who cares who flips it? I mean, I'm going to 820 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,280 be Jimmy Lennon Jr. We know what. It could be Jimmy Lennon Junior. 821 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,639 It could be, you know, one of the moderators of the press 822 00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,199 conference. It could be one of the showtime people, could be a Vegas 823 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,760 showgirl, could be Danny Gans, could be uh, I don't know. 824 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,400 Jimmy Garoppolo is reporting to Raiders training camp. Maybe he's available to flip the 825 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960 coin for the raiders. I don't know. As long as the person has 826 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,119 the competence to actually flip the coin, it shouldn't be a problem. All 827 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,280 you only have to make sure it's a two headed coin and it's not loaded 828 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,639 coin, and it's like the same on both sides, you know. But 829 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,880 look, it's you know, I can appreciate. Aron was like, you 830 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,360 know what, I'm not gonna sweat this. Who cares? I mean, 831 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,599 I can just for my own mentality. If I was like an actual boxer 832 00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,559 and it came down to like this type of situation. That was one of 833 00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,119 the big deals to try to get a deal done. Who cares whose name 834 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:57,440 goes first? Who cares who's walking to the ring first? My only concerned 835 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,800 to be whose name do they say after the fight? That's what matters, 836 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:04,880 because you're the winner. Good enough, Now you made mention. You made 837 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,880 reference to this earlier a little while ago about the extension for Devin Haney and 838 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,760 Regis program and as it relates to Haney potentially vacating all of his lightweight titles. 839 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,679 As we were talking about George campbos as the Future and the future at 840 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,679 one thirty five, So what exactly is going on here with the deadline extension 841 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:24,880 to later this week. Okay, So, as I have said and written 842 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,760 and others have done the same, the WBC did present a request of that 843 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,119 Devin Haney on this past Friday give them an answer to whether he was going 844 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:38,920 to opt to fight Shakor Stevenson and his mandatory WC lightweight title defense or go 845 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,159 up twe hundred and forty pounds and be installed as the mandatory for the WBC 846 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,920 title holder, which is Regis Program. And from my point of view, 847 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,280 if he decided to do either one, I'd be totally game for it. 848 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,639 If he fights Program, that'd be interesting. If you fight Shor, that's 849 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,239 I'd like that a little better actually, but they're both perfectly fine interesting fights. 850 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:00,800 Then match Room Boxing, which is the promoter for he just the former 851 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,559 promoter for Haney who is currently a free agent, but he has a good 852 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,440 relationship with Eddie Hearn and the folks i'm at Ram who did promote him for 853 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,119 a while. They are trying to make a deal to do a fight between 854 00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:14,840 Regis and Devon, and so they asked the WBC to give them the six 855 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,000 day extension till Thursday of this coming week to see if they can get that 856 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,760 done. So it seems as though if they can get that done, that 857 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,159 Haney will in fact go to one hundred forty pounds, which would mean that 858 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,840 all those lightweight belts will become vacant. As I said before, he wasn't 859 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,559 under no obligation to answer the WBC because he still has belts and other organizations, 860 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,760 So it wasn't like, you know, he didn't have to tell them 861 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,480 what he wanted to do. They were asking, They asked for the extension. 862 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,440 They're working on the fight. If it doesn't work out, there's still 863 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,159 other options for him because he could then stay yeah, I'm gonna fight shakor 864 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,519 he could try to move towards one of the other organizations. He can certainly 865 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:51,159 become the mandatory in the WBO, for example, He's had the back and 866 00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,840 forth with Tifimolpez, who obviously is going to come back and fight after saying 867 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,760 he wasn't going to actually retire. But if he does end up going and 868 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,840 the route and making a fight with Regius program, that's a good fight. 869 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,039 It's gonna be a lot better than that Zuria abortion we watched a few weeks 870 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,039 ago. Um and uh, it'll it'll line up all the jockey for the 871 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,199 lightweight belts, including Cambosis after the win over us to get his his shot 872 00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,360 at the vacant belt against whoever they put a Bilemos or somebody else in their 873 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,280 ratings. Um. But anyway, that's a pretty good fight. But I 874 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,599 mean it also, uh is interesting if Haney does go to one hundred forty 875 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:30,199 pounds fighting a bigger man, a stronger man, a good puncher, that's 876 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,840 a very fascinating fight. I'd love to see this record fight. That's the 877 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,440 ultimate chess match and in a really interesting fight. As I've said before, 878 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,599 I think it's a big fight. But I think if there's ever a fight 879 00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,239 that actually did need a little bit of marination a word that I don't really 880 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,920 care for much in boxing, that is a fight that could use a little 881 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,960 marination. Is marination a word marinating And we're going back to Don King words 882 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,440 again, marination. So that's that's a bob Aram word is wanted. By 883 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,800 the way, I should make mention to the WBC that is so hot to 884 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,199 try out if they want an answer from Devin Hanny. You know where I'm 885 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:06,920 going from this. Who just fought Lomachenko back in Ape. But what April 886 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,360 right, Uh may Progray just fought and defended his title a couple a couple 887 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,400 of months ago. WBC needs some resolution on this. The same WBC that 888 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,960 is now twenty five months in counting not saying that Jamal Charlo you have to 889 00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:27,239 fight someone. The WBC has no credibility none until they do something at middleweight 890 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,880 with somebody that hasn't fought in twenty five months, still being their world champion 891 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,719 and has defended it against no one, has fought no one. So I 892 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,360 will slightly disagree with that standpoint, but I understand the irritation about the about 893 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,639 the the middleweight title belt. It is unfortunate at least Carlos so Adamas has 894 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:49,159 an interim title and has been active in the sense, uh, elevate him, 895 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:53,320 then elevate him and let Jamal Charlo come fight him later his act together. 896 00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,360 That's it's I mean, let's go kind of like that. It is 897 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,719 it appears that the rules are being enforced in a way that is not even 898 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,119 handed among all weight classes. Now remember also here's the difference though in the 899 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,320 lightweight division. They've got a bunch of guys jockeying want the shot want the 900 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,679 title fight. There's nobody really doing that in middleweight. They're not really aggrieving 901 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,320 anybody. Adamas has got his fights, he's being paid. He just fought 902 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,760 a couple of weeks ago. It's not like there's twelve other top top guys 903 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,880 who are saying, I want to fight for the title. In the lightweight 904 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,519 division, which is very, very loaded. You got a bunch of guys 905 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,159 prowling around who are making, you know, requests and demands of the organization. 906 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,840 So as long as the WBC's not taking any heat from fighters and promoters 907 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,199 and managers center in the middleweight division that I'm just saying, they're not harming 908 00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:43,920 anybody's on it should well, you're harming the guys that you know. In 909 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,920 a Damas's case, and I don't work for him, he should be the 910 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,719 world champ at this point. They should elevate him and make him the world 911 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,840 champ because the other guys fought no one. At the very least, you 912 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,159 ordered the fight with Charlotte, which they what they did do if you paid 913 00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:01,599 attention to the convention, what they did do was they ordered that fight Adamas 914 00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:07,960 to fight Charlou. Adamas had become the interim champion. They then said you 915 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,400 can each have an interim bout, which I believe was the fight that he 916 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,880 had in his most recent play. Adamas Charlo has not yet had the interim 917 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,039 to each other. Yeah, he didn't fight anybody and hasn't fared anybody. 918 00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:24,119 I get you, Okay, Moving on a death, the Wan kid Mesa 919 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:30,039 has passed away, give me more on that name who he was more of 920 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,079 a fighter in the seventies and the eighties. So I know we're going back, 921 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,039 especially for the millennials, the gen zers, but give me more of 922 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:38,599 the sky. Yeah, it's good to teach a little history because you know, 923 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,199 back in their day, this was a guy that was talked about the 924 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,079 way that we talked about some guys today that you know, twenty five years 925 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,360 from now people may well have forgotten. But you know, if you watched 926 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,079 network television boxing like I did in the nineteen seventies, a late nineteen seventies 927 00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:57,920 into the nineteen eighties when it was still predominant on you know, CBS, 928 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,840 NBC, ABC on a almost every single weekend practically, Juan Kidmeza was one 929 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,559 of those guys that you saw. He was a junior featherweight. He won 930 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,400 the WBC title. He's probably, unfortunately Desk known for the two losses that 931 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,719 he took against Hall of famers wherever. The first time he had a chance 932 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,840 to fight for a title was against the great Wilfredo Gomez and he got stopped 933 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,559 in a fight in Atlantic City for the one hundred twenty two pound title back. 934 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:22,760 This was in nineteen eighty two, again a nationally televised fight. He 935 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,760 won a bunch of fights after that, and then he was in a fight 936 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,599 and again this was a network television fight. He got a chance to fight 937 00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,440 against Haimi Garza, who was forty and zo at the time and a big 938 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,840 time puncher, and you know, he pulled what people thought at the time 939 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,480 was a big upset. It was considered that, I believe it was the 940 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:43,280 Ring magazine round of the year in nineteen eighty four. They exchanged knockdowns, 941 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,079 but he knocked him out in the first round in what was a very big 942 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,199 upset in of all places, Kingston, New York, not too far from 943 00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,199 where I was born and grew up. On national television, it was like 944 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:55,000 a big deal a matter of fact, after I heard, you know, 945 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:59,559 the WBC, which is the title that he helped. They announced his passing 946 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,320 at age sixty six. That took place this past Thursday. I actually went 947 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,639 on YouTube because I had I had watched the fight a million years ago, 948 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,000 hadn't seen that fighting forever, and rewatched that a very exciting, you know, 949 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:14,079 one round shootout. So you know, Juana's is not a guy that's 950 00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:15,679 going to be in the Hall of Fame. But he had a very credible 951 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:21,079 and an exciting career. He fought uh from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty 952 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,039 seven. He then retired for ten years, came back and had two fights 953 00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,440 in ninety seven one one lost one, and then retired for good. So 954 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,360 I consider his career eighties, you know, seventy seven to eighty seven. 955 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:36,719 Finished his career with a record of forty five and nine with thirty seven knockouts, 956 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,199 but was typically in exciting fights. Had a ton of his fights in 957 00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:45,840 Inglewood, California, thought it the old Silver Slipper in Las Vegas, a 958 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,679 ton of his early fights, had one successful defense when he finally won the 959 00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,280 belt against Mike Ayala, who he stopped in round six, and again not 960 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,760 a not a Megas star, not a Hall of Famer, but for that 961 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,639 time period in the late set and he's into the eighties, one of the 962 00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:06,639 stalwarts of these smaller weight classes, an exciting fighter from Mexico, fought a 963 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:10,599 ton of fights in America and was a future prominently on some of the network 964 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:14,960 television broadcasts. And if you were watching boxing back in that period of time, 965 00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,239 you certainly heard of Wan Kidmaison. And so anyway, I thought, 966 00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:21,679 you know what, it's it's important to not forget that what these guys did 967 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,119 in the past, especially when they passed into at least, you know, 968 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,480 put some glory on their name and all the things he didn't there. And 969 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,719 I'll just go along the same line to early eighties Salvador Sanchez, the great 970 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,719 Mexican featherweight. The anniversary of his final fight was what last week, you 971 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,880 had some nostalgia that was up there, and he died. He died three 972 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,719 weeks later in a car crash. After that, a Zooma Nelson and a 973 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,920 Zooma Nelsa fight, but a Zooma Nelson fight, if I get it out 974 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,840 of Yeah, he was Sanchez. You know, Santez was a big star. 975 00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,159 Sante was a first ballot Hall of Famer and one of the all time 976 00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,119 greats. But I'm just pointing out that he was on network TV all the 977 00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:59,320 time, on those Saturday afternoon shows that you're talking about on ABC, CBS 978 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,559 whatever world title fights and building up to it. He was only twenty three 979 01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:07,119 and died in a car crash, his own car crash, speeding in a 980 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,440 in a sports car in Mexico three weeks after. So that anniversary is coming 981 01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,480 up here in a couple of more weeks after his final fight, which the 982 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,880 anniversary was just last week with a Zuma Nelson. By the way, Zuma 983 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,880 Nelson is in the Hall of Fame also, but when he fought Salvador Sanchez 984 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,400 in that fight, he was really unknown. He was I don't know if 985 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,119 he was. He wasn't a late replacement like in the last couple of days. 986 01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,480 But he came in later to take that fight with Nelson with Sanchez at 987 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,519 Madison Square Garden, and he put up an incredible performance. It was I 988 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,760 believe it was a fifteenth round knockout for Sanchez, but it was the great 989 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:45,559 fights of that decade, and he went on Nelson to become I think it's 990 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:52,159 not even arguable he's probably not probably he is the greatest ever fighter from Africa 991 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,360 that turned professional. You know, all due respect that all of it was 992 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,480 at your point as all of it was after the loss to Salvador Sanchez, 993 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,960 right, the loss to Sanchez could put Hi on the map. But then 994 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,800 he became, you know, a big deal. He won titles in you 995 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,360 know, multiple weight classes at a featherweight, super featherweight where he was done. 996 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,039 The bulk of his work had some you know, ended up on HBO 997 01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:15,480 and Showtime and you know big big undercards, had two two three actually even 998 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,639 though one was later on Big Fights against Jeff Fennick. I mean, it's 999 01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,760 a great fighter, but he was unknown in that first and the first big 1000 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,360 fight he had with Sanchez. But uh, you know, we digress. 1001 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,039 Well, it's still good nostalgia though, go back and see it in the 1002 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:32,280 eighties and real quick, this is on the rundown Manny Pacquiol exhibition. He's 1003 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,079 made the announcement the sickness, the sickness is bleeding through my rundown here from 1004 01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:43,000 Dan Rayfield that we're keeping up with Manny Paciel's exhibition with a retired Wee Tai 1005 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,880 kickboxer that's coming. You know, I put that on the rundown, just 1006 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,480 because I know how these exhibitions drive you crazy, because I know how much 1007 01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,239 you'd like to talking about like when Floyd made their Floyd Mayweather had the exhibition 1008 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,320 with your boy Degie and my boy right, your boy deg So yeah, 1009 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,320 I mean pack yell. Look, he's still from what I under stand, 1010 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:02,519 still, I thinks he might come back for a real fight. He is 1011 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,679 forty four. I hope he doesn't do that. He's one of the all 1012 01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:07,880 time greats. Is any forty five? Like late this year, he's like 1013 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,639 forty four and a half right now too, and he hasn't fought in a 1014 01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:15,079 couple of years. He did have an exhibition in South Korea not that long 1015 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,599 ago. But anyway, here's the point. He is. They did this 1016 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:20,280 press conference. I watched some of it. It's it was like a big 1017 01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:23,800 thing outdoors at a stadium in Bangkok, Thailand, and he's gonna take on 1018 01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,639 I guess a guy who there is a big star. I don't I've never 1019 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,320 heard of him. A muoi Tai kickboxer, a Mui Tai star and a 1020 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,800 kickboxer. Do you want me to to try the name, don't you bukataw 1021 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:42,440 boncha meck is what it looks like from tullakaw me okay in the Kicking the 1022 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,639 World, somebody somebody enlightenings that how big a deal this guy is. But 1023 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,239 he's like, I guess he's a retired Timytai bought kickboxer, uh forty one 1024 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,840 years This is a boxing match, correct, I can't believe pack Yeah, 1025 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,760 I would agree to anything other than that. And what is it? Four 1026 01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,159 rounds? Is it? More? From what they announce what was said at 1027 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:04,519 the announcement, it will be a six round fight in the junior middleweight division. 1028 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,679 It'll take place in Bangkok. The date was not announced, but they 1029 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,360 said the first quarter of next year. You know, we'll see if it 1030 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,920 actually happens. But yeah, they did like they did like a big deal. 1031 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,800 They had like a big press coverts in the pack out. Obviously someone's 1032 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,480 gonna pay him a lot of money to do this. In the you know, 1033 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,519 the big lawsuit that's going on with what is at Paradigm Sports where somebody 1034 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:29,480 gave Manny the big signing bonus and maybe the fight happens and maybe a dozen 1035 01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,920 and Manny's counting money. Well that that Paradigm it was settled and he lost. 1036 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,000 Yeah, but I mean he got the deposit and tried to say, 1037 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,679 audio, so you gave me my money bottom light And uh, I love 1038 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,840 to talk exhibitions just for the mere fact that they aggravate you. So all 1039 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,119 right, let's move on to Nostalgian. Then we gotta get kind of just 1040 01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:50,039 make one more point about the mania I think. I mean, it's not 1041 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,360 the biggest deal in the world. Manny Paco had two professional fights of his 1042 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:58,360 glorious career in Thailand. It's actually the location in Thailand where he won his 1043 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,800 first world title at flyway in nineteen ninety It was the lineal flyweight title and 1044 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,639 the WBC title. That was a line you could trace all the way back 1045 01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:08,880 to Miguel Canto, the great Hall of Famer. So Thailand has a lot 1046 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,639 of great memories from any where. He became the world champion back in nineteen 1047 01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,760 ninety eight. And it also happens to be where he lost that flyweight title 1048 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,320 in nineteen ninety nine in a fight in which he failed to make the weight, 1049 01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:21,840 got stripped of the title, and then got knocked out in the fight 1050 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,000 when it went through. So he has one of his great wins of his 1051 01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:29,159 career in Thailand and one of the more forgettable moments of his career also on 1052 01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,079 Thailand. And now we're going for the third big moment, this monster exhibition 1053 01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:38,840 match. This is why you are who you are. It is a sickness, 1054 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,719 but I am I am gonna hold you right now accountable. You gotta 1055 01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,000 find out who'slipping the coin on the ring walks for Spence Cross, I don't 1056 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,199 care about you going in the nostalgia for for Thailand references for Manny Pat. 1057 01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:51,400 I want to know if Chris Angels flipping the coin. I don't think they 1058 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,079 actually know yet because they didn't even know where it was gonna take I know 1059 01:04:55,199 --> 01:05:00,880 when when? When? When Errol Spence spoke to some of the reporters after 1060 01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:04,159 his workout that took place the media workout in Las Vegas a few days ago, 1061 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,239 he brought he brought that up about it was going to be a coin 1062 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,360 flip for the ring Walk, which he didn't like the idea of doing, 1063 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,000 but he agreed to do it. So I made a few phone calls and 1064 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:16,880 I was told they didn't know exactly when it was going to take place, 1065 01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,400 where it was going to take place, and I didn't ask who was going 1066 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,440 to flip the coin, But I can only imagine if they didn't know when 1067 01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:25,480 or where, they didn't know exactly who's gonna flip the coin. Maybe it's 1068 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,639 one of the Vegas Golden Knights. Maybe it's Celine Dion. Stay tuned, 1069 01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:31,159 we'll be in Vegas later in a week to find this out. Speaking of 1070 01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:33,519 nostalgia, let's do a little bit real quick and then we're out of here. 1071 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,920 Terrence Crawford has an anniversary. His first unification title bout was a win 1072 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,280 over Victor Postall, who we've been talking about recently, just got beat a 1073 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,480 couple of weeks ago in a KO loss. This was seven years ago. 1074 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,960 You were ringside for this in Las Vegas for Crawford real quick. Yeah, 1075 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,199 I just thought it was interesting that here we are, I'll getting set for 1076 01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:59,119 this big monster unification fight for undisputed for between Errol Spence and Crawford. And 1077 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,239 it was seven years ago when Crawford, who was at the time the WBO's 1078 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,920 one hundred forty pound champion, got his first unification fight on the way to 1079 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,840 becoming the undisputed junior welterweight champion, who took on Victor Postal. Now we 1080 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,679 all know Victor Postal, you know, looked every bit of his thirty nine 1081 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,360 years not that long ago when you know when he lost on the Showtime card 1082 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,880 last week. But at one point he was a very formidable fighter. Don't 1083 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,679 forget that when he when he fought that fight against Crawford, he had a 1084 01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,239 lot of people thinking that he had a real chance in that fight. He 1085 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,679 was twenty eight oh going into that fight. He was considered a dangerous guy. 1086 01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:33,320 Now Crawford, my recollection, was the favorite in the fight for sure. 1087 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,519 Yeah, but people are like, Victor Postal might give him some trouble. 1088 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,440 You know, he's a good fighter, and as I said, he 1089 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,480 was undefeated at the time, and so they had to fight. It was 1090 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,360 an HBO pay per view, the top rank put on at the MGM Grand 1091 01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:48,360 in Las Vegas. Again, I was at the fight, and you know, 1092 01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:50,400 Postal was sort of a mystery to a lot of people. I mean, 1093 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,199 they didn't really know a lot about him. I'd seen a couple of 1094 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,840 videos of him before that fight took place. But Terrence Scrawford went in there 1095 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,079 and did what he does, and that was sort of like at that point 1096 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,840 you're starting to think to yourself, Okay, he had done what he did 1097 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,920 as a lightweight. He had won the title in US, in US Scotland, 1098 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,679 you know, in Ricky Burns, his home area. He had defended 1099 01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:13,360 it a couple of times. He had that great shootout with the your yorchist 1100 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,559 Gamboa, who was still undefeated when they fought, even though he was moving 1101 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:19,159 up where he had been a featherweight champion. So you really didn't know, 1102 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:21,920 like as Crawford gonna is he just beaten like these types of guys, or 1103 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,119 he's gonna really be something special, like you know, now we know he's 1104 01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:28,280 something special. At the time, you're sort of like, we think he 1105 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,639 might be. But it was sort of the jury was out when he completely 1106 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:35,039 blew away, not in terms of a knockout, but just smoked him on 1107 01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:40,880 the scorecards and one easily scored a knockdown cruise to the one side of decision. 1108 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,159 At that point against a very very well regarded fighter like Postal, you're 1109 01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:46,880 starting to think yourself, well, maybe we got something there. Maybe he 1110 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,320 is as special as as as you know, maybe he thinks he is, 1111 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,039 or that we some people think he could be. And from there. He 1112 01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,280 went on and had two more fights in the way class, and then ultimately 1113 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,199 he got the chance to fight for the other two belts against Ango, who 1114 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,760 was never did anything after that, but had won the two belts one by 1115 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,360 one on the road in the other guy's hometown and was undefeated when he came 1116 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,079 to Lincoln, Nebraska, about an hour from Omaha, another fight that I 1117 01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,560 was ringside for, and Crawford put on another spectacular performance with a body shot 1118 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,000 and just blew him away in the third round. But the victor postall fight. 1119 01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:24,960 I always considered that to be like his first win. That's to me 1120 01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:28,239 anyway. I knew what he had done it light weight for me at junior 1121 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,880 welterweight. When I saw what he did that night against a fighter that I 1122 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,800 had a lot of respect for, I was like, Okay, this guy 1123 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,880 really is the real deal, and we may be hearing from him for a 1124 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,840 very long time. That's seven years ago. He's still undefeated, He's still 1125 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,800 at the top of his game. He became undisputed at one hundred and forty, 1126 01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:45,039 he won a title and has dominated so far the guys he's faced. 1127 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,560 At one forty seven, and I was going into the biggest fight of the 1128 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,920 year, at least the most significant fight of the year against Errol Spenson. 1129 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:55,800 So it just shows you the evolution from seven years ago to where he is 1130 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,359 today. He doesn't even seem like he's lost a step at all. He's 1131 01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:02,560 not good. And one more piece of nostalgia here before we head to Vegas 1132 01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:06,880 for Spenson Crawford. Real quick, it was fifteen years ago coming up on 1133 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,960 Wednesday, and you made reference to this about the hand raps and Antonio Margarito. 1134 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,399 He stopped Miguel Coto in the eleventh round, won the WBA welterweight title. 1135 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,119 You were ringside, and the controversy that we kept referencing about forty five 1136 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:26,359 minutes ago on this podcast, it reared right after this and all of this. 1137 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:28,239 Man, I still remember this, and I can't. I don't want 1138 01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,760 to accept My twins weren't quite born yet. This was fifteen years ago that 1139 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,199 this took place. I can remember one thing very specifically, when Margarito and 1140 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:41,479 Koto was first made. It was one of the handful of fights that in 1141 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,520 my time of covering boxing, I was among the most excited for a fight. 1142 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,079 I knew I was gonna go cover all the fights. I have covered 1143 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,439 a couple of those fights that you just really like, I cannot wait to 1144 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,760 be there. This is a phenomenal matchup. I just I was so excited 1145 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,600 for Margarito against Koto and it turned out to be the heck of a fight. 1146 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,319 And again it was Margarito who just was like not going to be stopped 1147 01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:08,880 that night. I used the analogy of the train coming down the hill with 1148 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,560 no breaks. I mean, he just kind of ran Miguel over and it 1149 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,319 was a glorious victory for him, and you know he felt bad for Koto, 1150 01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:16,880 but he had acquitted himself. Well. That fight really changed mckel Koto's 1151 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,359 career. And now you go forward from that fight taking place in July of 1152 01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:24,600 two thousand and eight, fast forward to January of two thousand and nine, 1153 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,039 and I'm at Staples Center now whatever they call it, Crypto Arena and Los 1154 01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:31,880 Angeles, and they're about to walk out to do Margarito's first defense of that 1155 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,239 title against Sugar Shane Mosley, and we get word at ringside that they're having 1156 01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:42,960 to rewrap Margarito's hands because of some type of illegal substance that they found, 1157 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,920 and they were that was why there was a delay, and it obviously became 1158 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,960 a humongous scandal and the biggest story in boxing. Margarito was found to have 1159 01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:53,840 illegal hand pads in his hand wraps. He claimed he didn't know about it, 1160 01:10:53,880 --> 01:11:00,359 but nonetheless, the late great trainer Nazee Richardson, who was working chain 1161 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,439 for that fight, was one of the was the person that was the representative 1162 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,560 in the in the dressing room. Now he went to the dressing room, 1163 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,560 Margaret already had one of his hands wrapped, and he wanted him to unwrap 1164 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,920 it and redo it, and they commission wouldn't let him do it. They 1165 01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:16,079 let him just watch the second hand be rap and that's when he when he 1166 01:11:16,199 --> 01:11:19,359 made a comment about whatever he saw was going on, and they realized there 1167 01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:23,319 was some type of illegal pad in the in the wrap, and so they 1168 01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:26,239 made him unwrap the hand that Nazim wanted them to unwrap in the first place, 1169 01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:30,439 and they found it in that one also, so he had bad raps. 1170 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,600 He ultimately got suspended, had his his license revoked by this. California 1171 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,039 said a letic commission fight for a year and a half or whatever it was. 1172 01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:41,000 But the point why I'm saying this as it relates to what happened with 1173 01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:45,840 Kota Margarito, is that nobody that I know. If you know that he 1174 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,840 was caught red handed with the bad raps for that fight, and you saw 1175 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,479 what Miguel's face looked like after the first fight that they had. It is 1176 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,840 my opinion and that of many, that he found a way to find to 1177 01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,960 fight Miguel Quota with illegal raps. Now was never proven. Then I had 1178 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,199 a commission signed off on his his hand raps. I have said this a 1179 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,560 million times. I'll go to my grave believing he cheated in that fight, 1180 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:11,920 and the commission just missed it. They probably destroyed the evidence through all the 1181 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,319 stuff away, no way to go back and find it and know what happened. 1182 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,000 But step look at Koto's face, which is what your point is. 1183 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,000 Yeah, and so I guess I'll use this. This point of view also 1184 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:27,479 is that most likely, if he was cheating in the Mosley fight, it 1185 01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,319 wasn't the first time he did it. There's always if you're gonna do something 1186 01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:33,479 wrong like that, there's always a first time. It would strike me as 1187 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,880 unusual that you would have just knocked out Miguel Kodo and now suddenly you need 1188 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,600 to use illegal raps against Shane Mosley here like a humongous favorite against and without 1189 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,319 the raps being loaded. Mosley, you know, who was considered sort of 1190 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:48,319 passed his prime at that time, went in there and actually beat the living 1191 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:51,239 shit out of Margarito and knocked him out, a guy that had this indestructible 1192 01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:56,279 chin and sugar Shane had, I think other than the Oscar delawaya victory in 1193 01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:59,359 the first fight is the biggest win of his career when he when he knocked 1194 01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:01,640 out Margarito, is a big underdog in that fight. So you know, 1195 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,880 the anniversary of the great fight between Koto and Margarito, their first fight fifteen 1196 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,520 years ago. But to me it's always tainted because in the retrospect, I 1197 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,479 believe he was using loaded wraps in it altered Miguel Koto's career. Now he 1198 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,359 got revenge and we went on and had some other big fights, became middleweight 1199 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,640 champion, etc. But he was never quite the same after that Margarito first 1200 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,199 fight. Good nostalgia, good on all this. We've gone for a while 1201 01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:27,520 and now we get ready for Fulton. And in a way, first the 1202 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,319 Monster and Stephen Fulton, cool boys staff. They are fighting Tuesday morning, 1203 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,359 US time. Again. We'll be running all about him on the Big Fight 1204 01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:39,800 Weekend website, your Fight Freaks Unite substack, you'll have recap of it. 1205 01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,760 We've made our predictions, our analysis, and then how about this as we 1206 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,520 wrap it up on the podcast, I will see you in Las Vegas, 1207 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,359 my friend. We will be around each other and we'll be part of the 1208 01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:54,880 preview podcast for Spence and Crawford with all kinds of guests. Again, you 1209 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,760 want to follow or subscribe on this podcast feed because if we get some special 1210 01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,000 stuff as the week go on, we may put it up as a standalone, 1211 01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,319 etc. And if you're following or subscribing, you won't need a prompt 1212 01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:09,920 a social media link or something like that, a web link to tell you 1213 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,520 that we've got something new. You'll get it automatically on Apple Podcasts, Google 1214 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,439 podcast, Spotify. So enjoy whatever's going to take place in Japan early Tuesday. 1215 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:23,680 I will see you Wednesday in Vegas, my friend for Spence and Crawford 1216 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,800 coming later this week, Dan Raphael, look forward to it, look forward 1217 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,920 to the fight week, look forward to seeing you, look forward to the 1218 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,960 fight itself. Can't wait and find out who's doing that coin flip, and 1219 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,000 then we got to find out where we're going to dinner one of these nights 1220 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:34,920 as well. We got plenty to do. We got to figure out how 1221 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,199 we're gonna do the how we're gonna do the well, we'll figure out the 1222 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,680 preview podcast because we'll both be in Vegas. We got to figure out how 1223 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,319 we're at Heck, we're gonna do the Sunday one for the recap because we'll 1224 01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:45,960 both be traveling. We're going to figure all of that out. But the 1225 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,840 peach will be well served here on the podcast Speed with our preview stuff, 1226 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,199 our recap stuff, the bet Us Show live from Las Vegas, God willing 1227 01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,079 later on in the week as well. Plenty to get to Dan. Thank 1228 01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:59,079 you, have a great week. We'll see you later in a week in 1229 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,119 Vegas. To serve there is Dan Raphael. I'm merely TJ Reeves again, 1230 01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:05,119 thank you for being with us. Keep following and subscribing to the Big Fight 1231 01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:10,800 Weekend Podcast Speed because you get content like this The Fight breaks you night. Recap by