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Talk about some of these eliminated teams.

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Now, yes, let's talk real
quickly here about I want to start with

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the Warriors. Shocker. Yeah,
well, there's not a lot to say.

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I think honestly, you know,
I expected the loss going into the

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game six there, and so the
heartening thing was that it does seem like

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the core is gonna stay together,
at least they're they're speaking as if they

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want to do that. So maybe
Draymond will be back on a lower annual

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figure or just roughly where he's at
with his player option, whether he opts

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out or renegotiates and extends after opting
in whatever. The Jordan Pool trades a

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big thing. I think that's like, I don't know what the percentages are

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on that, but it seems more
likely than not to happen. And then

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the question is does Jonathan Cominga get
looped in as a sweetener, which is

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kind of wild that you might need
a sweetener on someone you signed to a

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fat contract just last offseason. But
yeah, other than that, I mean

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Myers, will he be back or
not? I don't know. That's a

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big deal. That kind of will
affect because if you bring someone else in

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in that job, although it seems
like they'll promote internally, most likely it

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is easier to bust up the core
of if you're so inclined it sounds like

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it might be a lake of there
is another there's Kent and Kirk, so

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you've got a couple of choices there. But yeah, I think I guess

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like, as a fan, I'm
heartened that at least it seems like the

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Core will stay together and if that
means there's a forty five win season next

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year with those guys involved and different
you know, supporting pieces, Uh,

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yeah, you know, I feel
okay about that. What are your thoughts?

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Like, do you did you were
you surprised that the Core was kind

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of like, yeah, we're gonna
run it back? Yeah? Well,

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what else did that? First of
all, most of them are under contract

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aside from Draymond Green, and we
don't know what Draymond Green's market would be.

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I'm trying to think of the team
he has a twenty seven point eight

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million dollar player option, what cap
space team is going to go after him?

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And then you're dealing with sign in
trade scenarios, and it's even kind

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of tough to spot, like,
well, which teams aren't think we want?

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There will be teams that want Draymond
Green would pay him that money,

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But what are you giving up to
get him? If you don't have a

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cap space, and so it feels
like the most likely outcohol alone was they

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running this back, And so the
questions become, well, if they bring

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everyone back, let's say Draymond Green
gets twenty, like his player option number,

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they're gonna be on the hook for
like half a billion dollars in player

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salary and luxury taxes. There.
They won't have their mid level to improve

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the roster they're gonna t If they
trade Jordan Pool in the cap space,

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they're not gonna have their mid level. I don't think, And it's just

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what are you my first? I
think we've we've buried the lead. You

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mentioned it though already what is going
to happen with Bob Meyers? And it's

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clear there's a report that the Warriors
have offered in multiple contracts. Do we

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know what his motivation for leaving actually
would be? Does he not want to

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do this anymore? Does he want
to do something else? Does he not

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want to be responsible for like the
non Steph era in in Golden State.

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I haven't seen unless I've missed it, I haven't seen anything on Why have

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the offers been that disrespectful? Which
I can't believe because it does seem like,

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aside from Steph Curry and Draymond Green, they kind of recognize that the

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third most important person is like the
arc, like maybe Curs up there,

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but like Bob Myers is one of
five most important people when it comes to

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building up this goal and state Warriors
dynasty. It seems like the illusions are

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that he just has options, you
know, like he could go he'd good

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a podcast during the season and it
was good, and like he could go

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into media, he could go work
for the league. He could go some

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other team where he would absolutely be
the highest paid executive in the league.

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It sounds like they're talking, you
know, the offers have been you know,

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well compensated, but I have not
seen it reported that that the Warriors

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have made him an offer that would
make him the highest paid executive in the

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league, which is kind of wild
consider. Yeah. I mean, although

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like if he would, it would
be hard to do that if you weren't

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sure he wanted to be there,
Like if it wasn't just the money,

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you know, that would I would. But yeah, like based on the

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Warriors have been the most successful team
from a championship perspective over the last ten

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years, Like he's kind of the
guy he's had his This is but by

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and large, like I don't know
how you don't reward that unless you're not

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sure he wants to be there.
So and really like it is all very

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tied together because if Myers is not
back, I think it just gets harder.

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The relationships are so like we're talking
about ten plus years for you know,

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so like it's just harder for any
other incoming executive. Easier if it's

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an you know, a promotion from
inside, to navigate every Clay Thompson's next

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contract negotiation, to to talk to
Steph about like what do we need and

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how like just all the dynamics are
so like solid and so established and so

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built over time and ups and downs
and all this other stuff. Like it's

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just anyone else in that position will
fundamentally change, you know, every aspect

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of how the every contract gets you
know, dealt with, or every decision

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gets made. It's it's hard to
overstate the Myers component of this, which

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is tough because I think the report
today was like He's gonna say a couple

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of weeks and think about it.
I mean, like, you know,

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July one's that the draft is coming
up and so was free agency. I

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mean, to be fair, there's
not much they can do on either front.

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So it's just like if you're worried
about the decision making, it's on

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trades or like finding I guess like
undrafted guys or second rounders. But has

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the other component to this is does
the way their season ended change the scale

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at which you think they need to
tinker with the roster to where Okay,

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Draymond, let's say he's coming back. We know stef is coming back.

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Clay Thompson had a pretty good back
end of the regular season. His performance

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towards the end of that Laker series
was just sobering and uncomfortable. And you

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look at what Jordan Pool contributed at
mostly a high level. Not so much

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in the finals, by the way, but he contributed at a high level

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to a championship team. I think
that matters. But even when he was

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at his peak, this idea that
he could carry units without step even going

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up against opposing benches was always sort
of overstretched. And the fact that he

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can be so easily targeted on defense, the fact that he was unplayable for

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stretches of this playoff push, Like, how what does that make you think

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that they need like is it do
they need another like Capslock Star or is

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this is this just a matter of
okay, well if they can futs and

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fiddle and add on the margins,
which they can't really add on the margins

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because of their limitations. It's if
you're looking at okay, we're willing to

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trade Jordan Pool and Jonathan Cominga,
and it's just what are you looking to

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get back in such a package.
It's a huge challenge because it's such a

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weird It's been hard to build around
the way the Warriors play and to have

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any you know, secondary creator like
work in support in relief of Steph Curry,

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Like who's the most Sean Livingston probably
like playing with andre Iguadala with like

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that's kind of the best the unit
ever was, and like, well you're

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not getting either, Like those are
weird player types. And they succeeded because

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they just didn't really turn it over
and they defended and they won with size

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and they were smart. I think
in answer your question, they need someone

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who can do what Pool was supposed
to do, which is if you can

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play with Steph Curry, great,
you know, and be a threat on

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and off the ball to relieve pressure
from him. But the main thing is

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you've got to get somebody that can
make it so the offense doesn't just come

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on glued whenever Curry rests. So, yeah, you need it. It's

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tough because then, well, if
pools the guy you're trading, where are

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you gonna get the guy that's just
like better than him, you know,

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at what he's supposed to do.
It's a weird kind of challenge trade,

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a one for one kind of thing. I don't think it will be a

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one for one. I think Kamingo
will probably be involved somehow. But yeah,

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you just need someone that can make
the offense work with or without Steph,

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but certainly without So I don't know
what that is like. It's it's

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interesting to me to think, well, could they go get Ann Andobe for

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COMINGA and Pool and I don't know, some weird package structured that way,

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Like yeah, maybe, but is
An does someone like Anna Obe solved the

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problem? I don't know. I
mean it makes the team like more dangerous

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in terms of like a defensively and
like maybe you're closing five scarier because Pool

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was rarely part of that anyway.
But that doesn't solve, you know,

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the the what do we do when
Curry's not running the offense? Stuff like

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that? That's that's the hard solve. I don't know what the answer for

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that is. I think that's where
I'm at is. I feel like that's

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what they need the most, and
that feels like an incredibly large acquisition needs

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to be made. So and and
I just don't know if they have the

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asset fire power to do that.
So I'm I'm at a loss there.

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But I think it starts with Bob
Myers. I would expect. I would

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say Draymond Green will be back.
I think if I just set like a

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percentage of Jordan Pool and Johnathan Cominga
still being on this roster next season,

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i'd said it below for sure.
Yeah, I think so and Clay will

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be back. I just don't,
you know, I don't think he's tradeable.

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I think his next contract will be
significantly smaller. I don't But I

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can't believe any of this. Uh, you know, he wants a full

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max Like that's just not realistic.
The Warriors wouldn't do that. He's not

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and look, he's just straight up
he's not worth anything near right right?

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Uh? Glasgow says, what do
you guys think about Newurlands now? Well,

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for the Warriors not solving the problem. Their bigs were fine, right,

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like Looney and Draymond were fine.
Uh so, yeah, they need

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guards, they need wings, they
need guys that can do something with the

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ball. They probably can't afford Neurylands. No, Well though it might cost

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them their mid level exception and like
two first round picks because of the second

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apron if they signed like literally anybody
without trimming tons of salary, almost impossible

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to do. The Phoenix suns.
I would love to talk about. They

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fired Manny Williams, who I think, Uh that you saw it coming,

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but I think he's the one.
I don't know who got more. I

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think he got more of a raw
deal than Mike Budenholder. I'm in the

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side Mike Pudenholzer lost his brother.
That was just very effee. The other

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thing we mentioned with these coaching finings
is you always think that they're made.

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When they're coaches at this level,
it's very easy to say you already mentioned

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this, like, Okay, it's
easy to say when the team needs a

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new coach, but it's harder to
say when you make that decision. And

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to who are you getting? I
feel like and we haven't seen any of

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the vacancies filled yet, and granted
Doc Rivers was just created and say with

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money, Williams. These are decisions
you make when you have the guy right

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like that you know that you want, but so a million things to talk

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about. I want to know,
though, what you make of Woag having

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in his piece that Matt Ishbia has
taken full control of basketball operations and then

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removing it, which as a not
a reporter but as a writer, like,

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there's got to be something an earlier
version of this story when it's that

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major of a thing, It wasn't
a statistical correction, but like you removed

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a key piece of information. What
are we fucking doing here? We know

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you pissed off somebody, Like we
understand how this were, like, come

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on own it like he's put it
in there an early version mistated, But

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I'm like, between how the Kevin
Durant negotiations shook out and now this,

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I'm like, this is either I
respect Matt Ishba is willing to spend at

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least it seems like whatever and the
whole the broadcast right stuff that he seems

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willing to eat money on that fantastic, But like this is either gonna be

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all right, hell yeah or oh
oh no, no no, no,

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oh no right the hand the hands
on owner is is a little concerning.

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Yeah, I had that thought too, of and woj I think did go

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on on the air and basically say
the same thing that he pulled out of

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the article. So it seems pretty
clear that like this was an ishpi A

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decision to fire Williams. Whether that
was coming or not, you know,

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I don't know. It's it's hard
to imagine it would have happened so quickly

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had it not just been almost predetermined. But yeah, like you know,

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we've talked about how there's like a
reasonable case to be made that the Durant

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trade is gonna like not age great
and may not look so you know,

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you probably do it all the time. It's Kevin Durant. We said it

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over and over. But like that
seemed to be an ISHPIA thing, you

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know, including what was it Crowder
was the sticking point and they threw him

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in there or something else, Like
it seemed like he just was like make

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it happen. And then the coach
firing was kind of like this is what

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we're doing, and then it's a
little different. But like being on the

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sidelines and getting into it with Yokich, like that's just another like tiny data

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point of like this dude is like
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I don't know if that's good.
We didn't talk about this. I like

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how he did handle it afterwards,
want to want to make that clear agree,

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But it's still you know, it's
it's like there's those two things,

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the trade and the coach firing,
and then like a million miles down the

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list there's the Yokis thing. But
it's just it's still another thing. I

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think an impulsive owner or one that
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total double edged sword. And you
said it like might be great, might

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spend a bunch, might really go
all in to win. You want that

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from every owner generally speaking. But
then like you know, the vet Ground

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of DVA and Sacramento really was hands
on in a lot ass spects of that

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franchise for a long time and it
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a line to walk, and I
don't know, it's way too early to

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say what side of that line is
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the coach Monty Williams getting fired might
be like leaning a little bit to the

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wrong side of that line. I
think, although like this is the last

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thing I'll say, Like if Booker
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like unequivocally, he's still there,
so like that could being Monty for whatever

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weirdness existed with DeAndre Ayton and was
little like culpable at all, and the

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Jay Crowder situation that seems like a
total organizational failure on everyone's behalf. But

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like even that, it's just like
unless Devin Booker and Kevin Durant were like

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campaigning for it, not to be
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actively advocating for a different coach.
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he kind of got it wrong.
Like he had eight games during the regular

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season with Kevin Durant before getting into
the playoffs, and I think you could

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argue, as Zach Loo did,
that they weren't inventive enough on offense with

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Katie. It's just like, could
they maybe get like a training camp though,

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or something if you have the guy
and I don't know who the guy

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is they've been linked to the same
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Which are the same names, is
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I or many of the same names. I should say, I don't know

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what the outcome there is, but
there was also they need I think you

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look at this roster and it's easy
just to say Kevin Durant we'll be back,

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Devin Booker will be back, and
the certainty ends there. There was

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already report that they're going to try
and shop Chris Paul, who has like

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almost sixteen million guaranteed next season,
and then DeAndre at And who's oh,

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three years, one hundred and two
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feel very comfortable in saying that you
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not because I don't think he has
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can't for the center he is.
You can't allocate that type of money to

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the five when you're paying as much
for Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. I

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just don't. And I'll have trades
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segment, and we already went through
one of them that you shot, and

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I agree with you like, these
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just Deondreton's value is at It's an
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he's making more, it gives him
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But like when he's making thirty plus
million dollars a year and playing like he

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just did in the playoffs, well
that's just gonna make him a lot more

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unattractive to other teams. And I
don't know, I think the Suns will

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still be able to use their mini
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they're gonna run into that Apron issue. It'll be tight, but I don't

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think they're gonna run into that second
Apron issue just yet. But it's just

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like they're gonna be like a target
that would make a lot of sense for

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them is a Bruce Brown. That's
someone who's gonna get more in the taxpayers

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midlevel exception at this point. And
so unless teams start to hold on to

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their full mid level and want to
use it as in trades or whatever,

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but it's not gonna be easy.
Just that they need like depth at almost

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every turn. And so the idea
of will let's turn these large salaries of

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CP three and DeAndre Ayton Deandreton into
more digestible contracts who actually play. My

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question to you, is it gonna
be easier to do that with CP three

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or DeAndre Eighten? That's tough.
It probably eighton And just I wanted to

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get back to the point you're making, like subtract all the like communication issues

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and the bad body language and all
those benchings and stuff. The issue with

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Aiten is just like he's paid too
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and like part of that comes from
being the number one pick. Part

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of that comes from the idea of
potential. Part of that may come from

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like what he might actually be able
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fifth option. So there's upside there, but like it's just a financial thing.

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You can't overpay for centers than aren't
superstars are like no questions asked,

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you know, total defensive anchors.
That that makes it harder. Having said

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that, I just don't know what
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you so, he's got like fifteen
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and the guaranteed eight is like shortly
after the finals it's like late June,

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right, so do you want him? Like what which version of that

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salary do you want? Like do
the Sun's wave and stretch him. I

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think there's just more questions, Like
it's harder to fit him in a lot

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of places because of his age and
because of the just the way he's gonna

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play. So I don't I just
think it's more complicated to move Paul,

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and and and Aton is still like
even though you know the bloom's off the

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rows a little bit, or there's
concerns in his on court impact, his

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attitude, all this other stuff,
he's still like a twenty you know,

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not quite twenty five year old number
one overall pick that was the starting center

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for a team that made the finals, was up two oho and then one

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sixty four games next year. So
like it seems like he's a little more

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I could talk myself into there being
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Paul's a weird fit financially and otherwise. I almost wondered that if the shorter

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term commitment makes it him more appealing. And but I will say the market

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seems more finite because of his age. It's like, Okay, the Clippers

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like Marcus Morris and Robert Covington for
CP three, and however, the money

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needs to work under the new rules. Done. Actually the aggregation stuff doesn't

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start till next year, so done, Like you could do something like that,

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but it's like, okay, well
now you're starting to run out of

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Maybe the Wizards, because they're the
Wizards, will be like, hey you

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CP three, be like what are
you getting? Who are you getting from

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the Wizards. We're not getting christophs
Porzingis to pair with youon like that would

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make absolutely no sense. But I
could so see the Wizards of being a

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team where it's like, well,
hey, like ned I will say,

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though, like I don't even know
all the players that they would trade are

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just too valuable to be like,
well we'll give this up for for see,

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like you could give up Monty Morris, but you're not getting that thirty

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million dollars number you have beal and
Porzingis is your main salary. L So

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I do think it's harder to find
like teams that would house CP three.

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I mean would like if Brooklyn's trying
to straddle that line of like, hey,

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we want to be competitive now and
we want to give mcal Bridges help.

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So we're gonna run back the you
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Johnson Partnership and they'll give you Spencer
Dinwitty and like like Patty Mill or something

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like. They're not going to give
you Royce O'Neil in that deal. I

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don't think so like something like that. I'm with you that there's more of

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a market for Aden, but he
also kind of feels like the riskier acquisition.

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Well, he's just costs so much
for so much longer, that's the

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thing. And Paul Paul can be
a mistake and you're out from under it

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pretty quickly with eight and it's like
you're kind of back where the suns are,

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where you're spending a significant amount of
money on someone that might not warrant

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that level of commitment for a while. You know. That's that's the concern

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with it. You want to give
me some who says, nos, is

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that what you got? Yeah?
So and these are like kind of just

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mostly off the cuff for me.
But and I'm not I'm making clear,

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I don't know that I would do
any of these. I'm just saying like

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realistic packages that maybe Phoenix would try
and propose. Even if they make a

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difference, you just want to see
me squirm, is what this is about?

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Well? Yes, always so the
first one would be We've done this

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one, but I gotta throw it
back out there again. Miles Turner for

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DeAndre and straight up who says no, I'm pretty see. This is the

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problem with me is I've always forget
what I said before. I think Turner

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is a better player, So I
think the Pacers say no, you're you're

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spot on then for that this is
I don't know how badly the relationships involved

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a fracture, but he was linked
to the Suns after the Kevin Durant trade.

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But it would be CP three and
DeAndre Ayton in a sign and trade

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for Kyrie Irving and then insert salary
X. Is it Tim Hardaway Junior?

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Is it Dallas Burton's is it MAXI? Kleibo? You're taking back Javamagee,

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Reggie Bullock. I kind of like
the idea of Eton and Dallas, and

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I also kind of like for Dallas
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So I think does Phoenix say no, I don't know, I don't know

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what to do with I think they
should but yeah, I think they probably

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should too, basically be it would
basically be Deandreen and Chris Paul for Kyrie

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Irving sign and trade and salary X. Yeah. No, I think I

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think the Suns should say no to
that, would they? I don't.

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I feel like there's weird shit going
on between k D and ky right now,

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So I'm gonna say that they I
think they would. Yeah. Uh,

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this one was so CP three for
Marcus Morris and Robert Covington. Does

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that make the Suns better enough?
And? I think, well, I

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think the Clippers would do that.
So I guess it would be the Suns

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that have to say no, because
I think the Clips would do because saying

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teams say yes, you don't have
to say that. I know someone's got

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to say no. Damn, these
can't work. Yeah, I think the

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Sons would say no, just because
the Clippers would definitely say yes. Okay,

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Uh, what's the other one I
got here? Oh? This Lord

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DeAndre Ayton for Kelvin Johnson. Hmm. How do the Spurs get Wemban Yama

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which we'll find out in like five
hours from now. I have no idea,

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but they can include Zach Collins too, if they're worried about using too

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much of their caps based on DeAndre
eight, I think the I think I

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think they should do that. I
think, but I'm gonna give you your

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both teams say yes answer because as
I think, obviously Johnson's a little cheaper,

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and you know, we don't need
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And then maybe Pop could coach up
DeAndre aden. I mean, maybe that

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number one pickluster really matters Aton and
Vassel and whoever else they get in the

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draft. That's kind of interesting and
so on for a while. I like

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that. I think that's it.
That's exciting. Here's a challenge. Trade

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CP three for Kyle Lowry. Ooh, I mean the way Lowry is playing

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right now, but he's like a
sixth man. I think, oh,

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I hate this trade. It's making
me think. You tell me who you

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think. First of all, I
think about it. If I'm the heat

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I think, I say, no, I might trust you trust TB three's

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playmaking and I guess like ability to
get to his spots more than Lowry now.

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But if you're still invested in Tyler
Hero, I think that. I

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think. I think Miami says no. I think Miami says no too,

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And it's because Lowry is still giving
you like when you need it, volume

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three point shooting and defense and all
the other stuff. And I don't know

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that Paul's value is as great,
if really in the moments that matter.

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Butler is going to be on the
ball all the time anyway, so I

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don't know if he adds as much
there. Who says no? DeAndre Ayton

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to Oklahoma City for big Jalen Williams
and two first round picks. Not okay,

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see picks other teams as picks that
will be protected. The thought being

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Phoenix clears some flexibility can then send
those picks out in other trades. M

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I think that's a pretty good deal. Well, I think probably the Thunder

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would do. You're like the girl
who was trying to kumbacha drink. You

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remember that meme where she's like the
facial expression. I know, Well,

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I'm not looking at my screen,
so I don't know what my terrible things?

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Probably do the Thunder do? The
Thunder want to be in the eight

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in business like, this doesn't seem
like a team that's trying to give one

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hundred and thirty three million dollar contract
to a conventional non stretch center. That's

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good that he's only on the books
for one hundred and then, isn't it.

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Oh right, yeah, well off
the hook for the first quarter of

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that deal, I think probably.
I mean, I think the Thunder would

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have to do that. They got
a zillion picks. Jalen Williams is nice,

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but like you know, he's undersized
as a five and his defense depends

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on taking charges. So I think
the chance to get eight and then you

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could rehab his value and maybe get
more for him if you decided to flip

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him later. How about that?
Okay, here's who says no CP three

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to Orlando for Jonathan Isaac and Gary
Harris. Everybody says yes to that.

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I think that's a good tree.
I kind of feel like everybody should say

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no. The magic should probably say
yeah, Well, what's the difference.

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Why are you going to roll the
dice on Jonathan Isaac salary would be my

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if you think like he's healthy enough
to play. Actually he would makes some

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sense in Phoenix, but because then
you could play him at center and flip

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Aton if you're the Sons, because
you're not doing if you're the Magic,

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you're saying you shut it down if
they're if they say Faults and Harris for

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CP three, you're shutting that down, right. I guess the Magic fans

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in the Magic themselves really love folks, which I get a little bit,

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but I don't know if I can
get quite that high. So we'll go

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this route. If it's Isaac,
and there will be other permutations, but

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Isaac and Gary Harris and you get
the flyer on Rumo. OKK mean,

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I don't know that that's that's not
changing anything for me. He's okayk's your

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guy. You've been on him forever, I do. I will say Isaac

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is like my favorite fake trade guy
because he's such a mystery box. He's

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might lead author I think, well
sure, but you know, he might

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be a defensive Player of the Year. There's like a five percent. Well

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that's way too high. There's a
non zero person, non zero chance he'son,

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you know, the first team All
defense guy if he ever stays healthy.

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Would so I don't really know that
I love this one, but maybe

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how many of these do you have? How do you do this? Would

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you like me to stop? I
can stop, No, I'm just I

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can't believe it's amazing. So sign
and trade and the permutations here would be

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difficult because this other team is dealing
with issues as well, and it would

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be predicated on Okay, this player
doesn't want to be in Portland anymore.

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But you're looking at Jeremy Grant sign
and trade for DeAndre eight mm hmm,

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there's use of nurk It is already
in Portland. Yeah, Potland's gotta get

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off a nurkicch somehow, which went
might not be easy. Yeah, I

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think I like that for Phoenix.
Well, depending on what kind of number

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we're talking about for Jeremy Grant,
but even if he's like equal money with

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Aten, he seems like he makes
more sense as a modern, you know,

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postseason contributor. Yeah, I think
I think that's another like pretty like

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bilateral yes on that one, Like
it doesn't I mean, Aden, I

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don't know what to think of Aten, but he like he's better than Nurkics.

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I think that's fair to say,
and then Grant might just my my

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running take on Grant is that he, you know, had a really good

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year and was the third option on
a lottery team. So how much do

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you pay that guy if you're Portland's
not not a lot in my book.

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I'm pretty much I could have some
more, but not ones that I really

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want to talk about, because you're
like to just out there unless you have

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any destiny. You just gave me
a sign and trade, like, come

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on out, what's out there?
Give me give me your most out there

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one for for CP three or eighton. You pick whatever is the most ridiculous,

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all right, So CP three to
the Pelicans for Larry Nance Junior and

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Jonnis Valancinis. Oh m, and
then you're moving on and you're moving eight

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and in a separate to New Orleans
are the I don't think I'm doing that

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if I'm New Orleans, just even
though, like I think you gotta move

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off Valancinis somehow, But then you
need Nance in there unless you're getting another

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center, because Nance is your closer
at the five, and then Paul on

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the Paul is a point guard.
Is just like that's taking touches away from

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Zion, although Zion would have to
be on the basketball court. So I

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don't know that's a That's why,
that's why I didn't suggest that that was

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not among my my favorite one.
Yeah, I set you up for failure

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there. I said, what's your
what's your most ridiculous idea and then I

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dumped on it. Well, okay, so this isn't like that ridiculous,

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but if it would, it would
be some sort of like DeAndre Ayten for

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Zach Lavine. M Well, I
like the pieces would have to be involved,

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and you could, even like the
Bulls are still trying to maybe stay

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competitive, you could throw CP three
in there and you get to the number

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of just like you know you're gonna
have to include out with Phoenix take on

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Monzo Ball and that scenario roll of
dice on that, but sort of an

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eighten for Zach Lavine swap the assumption
being okay, which is gone. Yeah,

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don't you think the Bulls The Bulls
would need to get a decent amount

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more with Aten even though it Lavine's
contracting. I don't know, but it's

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CP three a positive I guess he's
a positive asset, just you know,

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short term deal. I'm doing that. If I'm Phoenix, I don't know

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who's gonna guard anybody, but I
like Lavigne, Booker and Durant. That's

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kind of exciting. Yeah, I
don't. I don't love it for Chicago.

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No, Uh, did you want
to take us out of here.

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I think that's a good okay.
I was like, just ready for the

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next Chris paltrade. Yeah, everybody, thanks for listening. We had pretty

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