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Either they are or they are,
gentlemen, how welcome I am Luis Miguel

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Salgado. This is a good question. The truth is, I' m

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so happy, I' m so
excited, and I want to get them

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excited just like I am for my
guest today. Besides, I really don

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' t want to want them anymore. Just imagine eating a pipian with potato

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pancakes or a stuffed chili, with
beans, black mole, red, red,

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red, chicken with pork. Just
imagine a tasting. I am an

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expert in taco tasting to the pastor, but in dear guest today invites us

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to a tasting of fifteen moles.
Just imagine this multisensory experience, a wonderful

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thing. But aside mezcales, but
apart imagine this, a tla helps one

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with pie mole, mole mollets intomatadas, soft tacos. What' s that,

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what' s the wonder? We' ll talk about a lot of

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interesting things. Tania Arenas is with
me, the queen of moles, and

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for me it is a pleasure,
a privilege, my baby, Tania,

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welcome, I already want how you
are. Thank you very much, Disney,

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very well. Here we are from
Oaxaca, Mexico, the gastronomic capital

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of our country, very proud to
have been born in this land of illustrious

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men and women and, well,
of course, we have a vast gastronomy

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with five hundred and seventy municipalities.
Imagine eight different regions and, in addition,

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more than sixteen ethnic groups still surviving
in our territory, with sixteen indigenous

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languages. And well, we have
a vast culture here, even if they

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say so, you raise a stone
and find someone illustrious. Here, in

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Oaxaca there is everything in our beautiful
land, but especially to me it was

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the most delicious part to be born
in one of the most emblematic kitchens in

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Mexico. So, imagine, I' ve eaten very well and I'

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ve been very spoiled and we'
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people and great characters with these recipes
of seven generations that have been inherited from

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us and that, well, we
show the world this tradition with season.

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I can tell you, my dear
Tania, that I could not be living

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in Oaxaca because obviously, I would
eat it if I am already past my

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cheeks. Well, back there in
Oaxaca, I' d be giving him

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a hard time to get the tamales
to help him. Well, what a

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wonderful thing I invite you all to
do that if you don' t know

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Oaxaca, you can' t die. Look carefully, they are forbidden to

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die if they do not visit this
beautiful State before their culture, because what

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it says is also very true Tania. You lift a stone and there is

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an illustrious man or woman. Let
me introduce you as you deserve Tania Arenas,

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my guest is better known, as
I said, as the queen of

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moles. She is a researcher and
gastronomic chronicler born in the colonial city of

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Oaxaca. Degree in communication with speciality
in branding, teacher in high management and

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marketing, certification of work skills.
Meet at the national level. How curious

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I am being certified my dear Tania
precisely in skills of knowing, with two

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certifications, advisory sales and creation of
courses. Then we' ll talk later.

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She is the wife of Javi,
daughter of Letti, niece of Charito,

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mother of the talented, Renata and
Miranda. It has been born and

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grown in one of Oaxaca' s
most iconic traditional cuisines. It is heir

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to a tradition with season, with
recipes of more than seven generations. There

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you no longer tell me if you
believe, suppose or imagine what Tania and

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her entire team knows how to cook. You' ll tell me. It

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is not dedicated to the gastronomic rescue
so important to the generation of local consumption,

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to the gastronomic self sustainability. He
is an international gastronomic lecturer. She

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is decorated with the Oaxacan woman'
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two for her gastronomic research and in
the same year she was awarded the National

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Prize for Restaurant Merit, awarded by
the national candidate in the Chucho arrollo category

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for her rescue preservation and promotion of
Mexican gastronomy. In July of two thousand

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twenty- three receives the Bula Prize
the TAM for being the best initiative to

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preserve the gastronomic heritage of Latin America
and I could take good more than twenty

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minutes just to present it. For
me it is an honor, a privilege

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to accompany Tania Arenas and you who
see us and listen to us. If

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it' s okay with you,
we start, but well forward there Tonia,

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that even this Miguel for orienting me
to this space. And well,

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here we are ahead of you to
start the questions My dear dis Tania,

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I want to ask you before anything
else, beyond what we have read,

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from your preparation, from your skills, from all this effort that you have

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made nationally and internationally, Beyond all
that, I want to know who Tani

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Arenas is behind all this. Please
welcome. Sure, well, look,

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I' m really a very lucky
woman. I saw myself, as I

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told you at the beginning, I
had the opportunity to be born in a

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very rich and very vast land and
just because I was a very passionate woman,

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very dedicated. Everything I do.
I' ve studied many, many

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different subjects. Few people know I' m also a biographer and ballet dancer.

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I loved the dance part too.
I also studied everything that is Mexican

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folkloric and above all Oaxacan, and
in this way I have been able to

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bring Oaxaca from different areas, not
only gastronomic, but also cultural and folkloric.

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And, well, as you were
saying, I' m a communication

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degree. I' m also very
passionate about the part of the media,

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about communicating, about having that feedback
with people, I really like it And

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then, finally, as I was
saying, I also became a mom almost

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fourteen years ago from renata debian about
to turn ten and it' s one

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of my best facets that I enjoy
most that I love being with them too,

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enjoying from every step that they started
to swim. For me it was

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also a stage when I didn'
t have it planned, but when I

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decided to be a mom, I
think it was one of the best decisions

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I' ve made, just like
when I was born in Iris, because

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making the decision to have a second
daughter was also wonderful to know that they

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were two girls. Interestingly, it
allowed me to continue with a certain matriarchy

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that has been going on for many
years and that, just as you said

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well, I was raised by my
grandmother, by my mother, by my

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aunt. I have been surrounded by
very wise women who have taught me little

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by little how to get to know
and walk through this land and who,

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in some way, achieve as much
wisdom as possible, maturity and always be

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helping those who need it, whomever
is present. That benevolence, that empathy

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with the world is wonderful here when
you get to Oaxaca, even if they

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don' t know you, but
you come to say hello and go to

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the same kitchen, they' ll
invite you a glass of water. And

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that part is a courtesy part,
of kindness that comes here in the house,

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but it' s always been.
I mean, you can' t

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learn it. If you didn'
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believes me very well with pure women, but that part also strengthened me a

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lot and somehow, yes, I
really love it. I love the kitchen

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part. I love everything that has
to do with my gastronomy. I like

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to see how you can rescue those
traditions, because I grew up seeing traditions

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like that. My granny didn'
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You have to learn this because it
is and it didn' t always

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give me an explanation. He always
gave me one why things were happening,

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and I understood it and learned it
with a lot of love. And it

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is just the same way that I
want to convey to each of you every

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time you come to Oaxaca or want
to know about our traditions, for I

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will gladly always be here for you
to show you this beautiful side that life

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has allowed me to convey you hear. It' s very interesting what you

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' re doing. It is very
interesting your life, because with the training

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you have received with the studies you
have received, that is, when you

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know about the topic of communication,
you have a specialty in branding, you

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are a teacher in senior management and
marketing. S you are ratified on the

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subject of labor competences. Meet at
the national level. Being a mother creative

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wife, as there are many roles
that in one way or another move you

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into different questions. I don'
t think time is very important. Everything

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you do and how you do it. I think it is also very interesting

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and I would like to ask you
my dear Tania, how is it that

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we have a technical problem. Here' s a little technical problem. We

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just missed Tania. Let' s
wait for him to come back and see

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we' re going production. Help
us and I didn' t believe Tania,

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we had a little technical problem out
there, but it' s settled.

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Hey I was asking you how you
do it to balance your time With

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all of this licensed in communication,
Brandy master' s degree in work skills,

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Mom, daughter son of entrepreneur and
entrepreneur, how you combine your times

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tell us. Well, I'
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s very proso, for telling you
commitment eight like that part of the guy,

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and so I' m trying to
put them sacrifice as much as possible

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to be able. It' s
different. I wasn' t sorry.

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They' re telling me there'
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cutting and we' re not getting
there. We understand you' re talking,

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but we don' t understand you. You have to listen to see

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you can give it a little bit
stronger, maybe with the volume of if

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we can improve it. Please,
I don' t know if you'

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re listening to me. We don' t know what you' re talking

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about, but we don' t
understand you here. He listens to me,

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yes, a little bit to see. Let' s make this a

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little pause to correct this. We' re back spontaneous. You know the

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technology suddenly doesn' t play us. Well, that' s good.

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Tania told you how to combine so
many activities unless you have the power to

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unfold in other personalities, because I
think the day of twenty- four hours

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does not yield or yes, well, notice that respect as with the tics.

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Respectful or eye, not good.
I really tell you to share all

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these activities. They are very careful
and organized. In my time, especially

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I tell you to go respecting the
most important times, which is to be

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with my family, to take the
girls to school, to go for them,

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to be aware of part of their
education and, well, everything else

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is really to educate them based on
the example of how mom is very organized

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in the times and so they are
also being organized in their different activities and

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somehow this successful model is being replicated, not very respectful. Also to what

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now we have to do shopping,
cooking and, well also how to be

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able to attend to the customers and
do all these public relations that allow us

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in some way, because to have
all this a world so beautiful of gastronomy

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and, above all, to do
this gastronomic rescue. They are two young

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girls surely already learning to cook you
they tell you hey, mom help you

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help something in the kitchen or flat
they are not as involved as you,

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because look, yes and not really
as at all in the kitchen, cooking

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all the time, smaller. They
did get in a lot of trouble to

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see how the processes were carried out, because it starts to cause in some

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admiration what we did a lot are
the courses for kitchen children and obviously the

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attendees were then, obviously, they
helped and they know what the processes are

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like. But at this time,
where they participate most with us is in

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the tasting of moles, because they
sing in Spanish and Zapoteco and also speak

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in Spanish and Zapoteco. So that
the people who come to enjoy this gastronomic

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experience, because they are not only
can listen to them, sing and sing

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songs hundred percent Oaxacan, but also
the rescue of this language, because somehow

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it is lost over time. Not
many times do they think that there were

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people who felt sorry or embarrassed.
They speak Zapotec and Ahorita is doing the

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opposite. It is a matter of
admiration, of respect and of being able

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to continue to cultivate this tradition.
No, and it is proud, very

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proud, because in the end the
path is, therefore, millennial of the

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subject and in the end the path
gives us identity, gives us a cohesion.

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As Mexicans, now I want to
ask you something my dear Tanía the

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game of technology. Today we are
seeing that everything is fast, everything is

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immediate. Social media is immediate.
Moreover, our coexistence in Whatsapp, for

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example, is immediate. No people
get angry, they get upset because it

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takes you 30 seconds. Well,
30 seconds. It' s already rude

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not to answer a whatsapp. No. However, in the kitchen, as

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I know how little it cooks that
one day I' m going to go

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there to the pink restaurant to give
me a who lives with your cooks.

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You' ll see what a wonderful
thing. We' re gonna make some

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eggs, a super- rich thing. But let me ask you the technology

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helps. It doesn' t help, because making a good mole takes time.

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It' s not a place,
as we Mexicans say, It'

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s not in squealing a cake,
it doesn' t take time, it

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takes processes to make mole. The
tortillas and so on. All that you

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do by hand is a process as
you see it with versus the subject of

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technology. Help, not help,
Stop tell us, because notice that it

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might not seem that it would help
us much to the part of the kitchen,

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but do not notice that as a
result of the pandemic, I consider

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that it approached us and allowed us
to enter a new stage, that is,

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the Rosas restaurant exists since a thousand
nine hundred and fifty- three,

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as is the concept of roses that
of seventy- four. Officially it gets

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interested and roles are arranged and the
whole system issue that we already know understands

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entrepreneurs. But since the end of
the 19th century, my grandmothers, since

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my great- grandmother' s mother, imagine cooking for the people of the

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island of Juarez and well, without
any technology. Obviously, my great-

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grandmother wants to undertake something similar,
but that is already very much her and

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goes to the ore of nativity to
sell like these Oaxacan products to the miners.

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So it' s kind of starting
to grow. No, but when

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my grandmother is born they decide to
go down and I say go down to

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the city of Oaxaca, because the
northern Sierra is more than three thousand five

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hundred meters above the sea. Then
they go down to the city of Oaxaca,

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which is also very high, but
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tending tamales or padeguías, moles and
so on. Evidently, my mom

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' s coming. My mom divorces
my dad and comes in and takes care

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of the restaurant. But at that
time, in the 1980s, it turns

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out that my mom started to innovate
this gastronomy that Granny had, but selling

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it in super cuisine and I don' t know if you remember correctly.

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Super kitchens worked very well because moms
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starting to have a productive life,
and they weren' t spending so much

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time cooking. Then, my mom
had a lot of success in the super

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kitchen part and also selling mole in
pasta, because nothing else comes and it

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is easier to prepare it. Not
why, because the pasta is already ready

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to fry a little bit more tomato
or tomato, according to the case of

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mole and protein that you are going
to consume and in my case, when

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I was single, I started to
do what are the registered brands of the

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restaurant, to do the research and
otherwise not, And now married to two

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girls, Javier, neither mom nor
Aunt, also changes the situation because we

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are presented with a pandemic. Presenting
to the pandemic, obviously, technology,

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instead of being a opponent, was
an ally because it started to bring me

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closer to people from Brazil, people
from Peru, people like Lética Ahorita are

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in France people as interesting as you
and good, and so I started to

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know an endless number of entrepreneurs worldwide
and then, somehow begins to come to

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a certain internationalization of these gastronomic conferences
to talk about this tradition. But also

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make them come true and get your
mole letter package. Then it began to

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take to walk the fifteen different loves
to the high void. They came to

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his house with their mezcal, so
everything was ready, and we started to

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renata Miranda, Javier and I the
virtual mole tastings. Then I came to

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your account packages on Thursday and we, Friday or Saturday were already doing your

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virtual mole tasting and we connected several
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couldn' t see each other,
we didn' t know each other,

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but we started to get lovable with
that kind of client. And also through

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technology, because it arrived in Oaxacan
mandadito in less than twenty- four hours,

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unlike other products that sent you Oaxacan
products that tell you. I send

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you a mezcal, I send you
chocolate, I send you help, I

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send you mole. Specifically, Luis
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what Tania. I like mezcal and
you help her. Perfect. Then Luis

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Me has been read his package with
fla, aids, beans, that yes

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I, chapulines and his mezcal,
because he wanted to help him, but

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he wanted maybe moles. Then Letti
was going to send me three different four

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moles, because she wasn' t
interested in that so we started customizing the

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shipments and somehow it also helped us
a lot. Also to write a book

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that is called a Consason tradition,
in which it tells the history of Oaxaca

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gastronomically, speaking in the pre-
Columbian era you are contextualizing until arriving in

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Island of Juarez with my family and
that you will begin to know how that

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tradition began and how to be until
our times, surviving pre- Hispanic products

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at our current Oaxacan tables. So
I consider that technology, rather than corrupting

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us, helped us improve these processes, helped us position certain products as the

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stones. For example, stone is
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is like America or you love it
or I oog it to America, I

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hate it, no, but not
mole, but there are no midpoints.

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So, that stone is missing.
That tradition. Early in the pandemic.

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We started to promote it, we
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and now again you can come to
Oaxaca and in many small places you find

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stones. And that' s very
important, because we' re helping little

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by little and a lot to keep
traditions from getting lost. Then I consider

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that technology knowing how to occupy it
is a great ally. Hey, remind

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us of the stones as what they
are. Please, for those people who

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are in other countries who say what
that is about stones. Please, very

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well the stones. That' s
exactly what I was going to explain to

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you I missed it so quickly.
The pebbles are a sun- dehydrated bread

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you let it become dehydrated and at
the same time you are making a vinegar,

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a very sweet vinegar with panela,
but it is also bittersweet. You

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put nahoria, papita, onion oregano
and good soak that stone or dried bread,

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they are soaked in that vinegar and
you put the conchil then it is

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like adridulce. It' s a
whim, it' s very accompanied by

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the mezcal. It' s a
good pairing to do it, try it

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with mezcal and good. Yes,
it' s very her kind as I

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tell you, very typical of her
kind. Not everyone likes stonework, but

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it is a delight for those of
us who enjoy this tradition. The truth

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is, let me congratulate you because
I think you' re generating experiences and

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you' re breaking borders, because
this is something very special and I think

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vision is something very important. I
think today with this you talked about institutionalizing

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the brand of putting order in the
roles of having a long- range business

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plan. That' s very important, because many restaurants before are lost and

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lost and stumble why, because they
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they don' t know how to
export, how to send food, how

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to package it. I mean,
it' s a whole context and the

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truth is not just the context.
Imagine that the package arrives, that everything

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arrives broken or that badly packed your
image goes in the way. However,

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you have also done that you give
yourself the luxury. Allow me the expression,

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the adjective of being able to generate
a distance experience. Then I can

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be in France and do a tasting
of Mexican Oaxacan moles, a delicious thing.

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I think that is very worthy of
recognition and I want to invite all

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the people who see us beyond Mexico. To people from Canada, the United

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States, Argentina, Chile, Spain, everywhere, try Oaxacan mole. You

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have the chance with Tania Arenas,
the queen of moles, to say hear

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my message, I want to try
moles. Mexicans will really fall in love

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with Mexico. Just trying the moles. And that' s a small part.

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Now, my dear Tania, I
want to ask you you become very

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demanding you are very demanding with the
taste of moles, not only in your

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restaurant. I imagine that you,
when you travel, imagine that you are

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going to Cancun, or traveling to
the Capes or traveling to Monterrey, and

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suddenly you offer yourself nodi here of
mole and try it and you become demanding

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and you say here is missing a
bad broque that ahuate lacked chocolate. You

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become demanding in food or simply with
a critical distance, you respect and don

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' t get so involved tell us
that yes and no And both. I

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mean, it' s an ambiguity
here because I can tell you that I

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' m very respectful of all the
molin recipes, because everyone has a different

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history, they have a different process. And although here, in Oaxaca,

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as I said, there are more
than five hundred types of mole imagine yourself

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in this house we have more than
fifty recipes of mole before UNESCO. Fifty

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mole recipes are registered worldwide. Then
we have a vast gastronomy. The black

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mole of us, which is from
the Northern Sierra, is not the same

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as that of elism. It'
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varies in many ways. However,
they are all delicious and very rich,

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because if you make them with love, the best moles is always going to

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be your mom' s, your
aunt' s, your grandma' s,

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and that' s not going to
compare or take the place away from

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that mole by trying others. When
I try a mole I always do one

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with a lot of respect, two
yes, thinking about the texture that gives

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me, the aroma that leaves me
on the palate and, of course,

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another very important part, the topic
of digestion. Many times here is a

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dilemma, it is a myth and
within our tasting of grinders we break these

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myths that mole hurts you by eating
it. Yes, yes, usually your

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very recurring that I dropped very heavy
the exact mole notice that in our case

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the recipe of us, which is
seven generations, the test from little children,

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does not bite them old age.
They don' t get itchy,

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they don' t get indigestion.
The people who come to our mole letter,

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I mean, they see 15 moles
and they say wow, I'

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m gonna get sick or I'
m gonna get out. Very indisposed of

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this. Not exactly that mole letter
breaks their paradigms, because we have one

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of the great secrets. If you
normally see the cooks put everything in the

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same pot, you agree to be
mole and everything goes to the mill at

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the same time. Yeah, yeah, that one for me as a cook.

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Yes, it is a general criticism, because we separate species that are

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polyalmonds, it is not oregano,
etcetera, etcetera, we prepare the already

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clean chilies devenados without tail and in
another casuela we put the third casuela the

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seeds of the chilies and in the
last casuela we put the tomatoes. Depending

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on the color of mo we'
re going to cook, it puts on

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the tomato type. So there what
we do at no time did you have

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in this process the protein. The
protein must be completely independent, because it

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has a different cooking to these ingredients
that I' m mentioning to you.

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These ingredients I' m mentioning to
you have no animal origin. The protein,

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which has animal origin, comes to
break down this process in a different

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way. If you add it before
you, then it' s not.

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It' s not. Other moles
don' t hurt because they have this

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whole process. One hundred percent organic
natural without conservatives and, of course,

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very separate to protein. So whenever
I go to try a mole I see

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what this process consists of. If
they managed to balance it and really nothing

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else is that I know very well
the mole is that the mole does not

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end up doing indigestion in me in
my organism. That is a third point

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that is very important. No,
and of course, the presentation why.

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Because for me in a mole the
most important thing isn' t protein,

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it' s mole itself is mole. He is not the whole of two

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cultures and even more cultures different from
Italy. It would be nothing if we

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hadn' t given it the tomato. Yes, the United States wouldn'

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t make a great super Bowl if
we hadn' t given them avocado to

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make their guacamole and all the tons
of guacamole made in the super era and

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so we' re seeing with different
products that for me are eight important ingredients.

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Notal no pal pumpkin, corn,
Chile, avocado, tomato. I

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' m forgetting another one. But
these are important elements that we have since

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pre- Hispanic times and that until
today they remain in vogue at our Oaxacan

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and Mexican tables and at world level
have given an unparalleled place to each of

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the countries where they have arrived.
Then I always tell you the most important

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thing. I try a mole with
a lot of respect, but trying to

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open up to that recipe you'
re introducing me to. We are in

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a changing world, in a world
where all that remains is change. Everything

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changes so weird. In this world
today, if twenty or thirty years ago

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we would even talk about it at
a table, at a table table,

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it would not be possible to conceive
of it. And today it' s

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a reality. I give you very
drastic examples, the fall of the Twin

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Towers, the fall of the Berlin
Wall, many historical things, but one

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of the things I have learned is
that being ready and ready for change.

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What if the day of tomorrow falls
off the Internet because of any situation in

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which you want us to communicate.
But I go further and now on the

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culinary issue, what if some element
disappeared. I don' t know,

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I' m going to exaggerate that
avocado didn' t exist, that there

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was a transmutation that happened biologically,
and that there wasn' t one of

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the ingredients in the mole. First
question, you could continue to make mole

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and, second, that here is
fine where I want you to, please,

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deepen us on the subject of you
have won a very important award in

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terms of preserving the gastronomic heritage.
This preservation has to continue with you and

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your generations. That is to say, these recipes must be the best kept

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and today, as a gastronomic heritage
of Latin America, they must be treated

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and preserved as such. That was
a fight. I imagine you are untiring

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to stick to these traditional recipes,
these millenary recipes, where there are many

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chefs that combine and that I have
seen in the programs of these gastronomy television

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that suddenly invent things and the mole
even throw honey and suddenly throw things that

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say wait for you. Wait,
this is already out of context, not

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because that feeling very in or very
up- to- date or with a

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new current that doesn' t exist. So, the first question would be

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hey. In this part, mole
may still exist for a few years,

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how many years. And the second
part would be how you intend to continue

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preserving this culture of mole, because
I think it is by being heritage,

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because it is very important. My
dear tanía clear look at the mole I

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would love to have existed more than
a hundred years. However, we are

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living, as you say, such
a changing time. There are new generations

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of cheps that make very interesting topics, combinations and mergers extremely interesting and precisely

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thanks to them. It is when
I decide to dedicate myself to the gastronomic

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rescue, because those who present a
mole in a traditional way, those who

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make a mole in a traditional ancestral
way, as my great- grandmother'

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s mother did, are getting lost. Then that loss leads me to what

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the gastronomic rescue is. But to
have this gastronomic rescue, I need to

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generate a local consumption in my community
that not only gives me a sustainable economy,

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but also generates identity. Why,
because I occupy endemic oaxaca peppers,

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I occupy chilies that are not Chinese, we try to search because there is

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a very big difference between Chinese chilies
and Mexican chilies, that more quickly.

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We talk about this topic if you
want, but we are looking for products

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that are 100% Oaxacan and producers
that do not bring things that at best

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from Puebla, from other states,
from Tehuacán at best, but that are

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very Guaxaqueños to help our field.
Okay, sometimes if we buy other products

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that come from our country, or
sometimes we also buy a product that is

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Guaxaqueño, but that take it to
the Central de Abastos of Mexico, it

408
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.199
returns to the Central de Abastos of
Oaxaca and it is its third round and

409
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.199
comes with our marchanta. Then it
is the fourth round, then it is

410
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.840
a resale, but it is an
Oaxacan product that also exists that market we

411
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.480
also buy products that exist that are
Guaxaqueños, but that sometimes sell them in

412
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.519
Walmar. There are some friends who
are producers and who come to talk to

413
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:16.360
different groups of chains like that and
who come to sell their products and that

414
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.360
is also interesting. It' s
another resale or it' s an indirect

415
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.920
local consumption. However, all this
local consumption stuff we realize that the same

416
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:31.800
producer who sells me ten kilos of
amusing tomato can sell them to me every

417
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.079
two months. Then that producer will
buy it for you every two months.

418
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.639
And there' s another producer who' s gonna sell it to me every

419
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.079
three months. Then I' m
going to be doing a dynamic with each

420
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:51.760
of these producers. I am setting
a calendar who has harvest or is going

421
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:58.159
to have in such months, depending
also if I have a reasonable amount of

422
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:02.480
mole work, then that will generate
a local consumption, but from different producers,

423
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.760
because maybe not everyone will give me
the twenty fifty kilos of tomato that

424
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.719
I require but it will give them
to me between two or three producers.

425
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.679
That' s where I' m
generating local consumption. Another subject. There

426
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.679
are pumpkins, too. For example, the pumpkin of Castile. We occupied

427
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.679
it in October, November and sometimes
in December, but we do not have

428
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.400
to base Castile. In January,
February, March or April or March April

429
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:37.079
we have what is called the chilacayota. It' s another pumpkin and that

430
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.920
pumpkin we make water with that one. We don' t make sweet a

431
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:43.360
voice that' s called chilacay water
news, it makes with panel. But

432
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.960
in June, May, June,
July, we have pumpkins that are going

433
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:54.599
to give us guides that go like
all the guides of the Cinderella. Those

434
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.760
we make soup guides, which is
a delicious soup, it is heavy with

435
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.760
pussy and I and well, what
results are generated seasons lhis Ney. We

436
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.119
' re not eating here like we
want to eat the guide soup. Ideally

437
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:14.159
we don' t have it all
year round. We should only consume it

438
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.119
May, June, July, the
Calabaza de Castilla, noviela, October,

439
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:24.079
November, December, the Chilacayota to
March, April and Maya. I remember

440
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:31.760
then I, as the creator of
Oaxacan products, have to respect those times.

441
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:38.599
And respecting those times will give me
self- sustainability so that I don

442
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.679
' t end or prede or environment. Yeah, the ecosystem, because if

443
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.079
you finish it yourself, you'
re getting your foot on your own.

444
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.519
No, and that' s going
to cost a little work, because people

445
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.280
hear. I want guides, but
the guides are delicious and make them delicious.

446
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.719
If you don' t give it
to me, I' ll go

447
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.119
with someone else Go ahead. Yes, of course, in my time I

448
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:09.000
will only have in that season guides, in this season Chilacayota, in this

449
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.320
season pumpkin of Castile, in this
season tamales of tender lot, in this

450
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:22.199
season chilli. And so unimaginable products
are appearing. I have a farm that

451
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.960
consumes us especially a few kilos of
chin teisle, which is a pre-

452
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.679
Hispanic mole. You won' t
even imagine why they barran as the base

453
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.840
of their pizza instead of tomato the
chintesle. So they' re generating indirect

454
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:44.960
local consumption that they' re helping
to rescue a tradition and they' re

455
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:52.480
doing it fabulously, because we'
re producing it and they' re maintaining

456
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.360
that tradition and apparently they' re
not rescuing gastronomically, but they' re

457
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.039
doing it. So it' s
a production chain that if you break that

458
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.079
house of nothing, you' re
not going to achieve this self- sustainability.

459
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.639
A lot of people do it for
fashion. It' s not fashion.

460
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.320
It' s a very important issue. Water is missing all over Mexico,

461
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.920
not just Oaxaca. We' re
suffering from a whole water issue.

462
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.599
So that' s exactly why there
hasn' t been any rain. You

463
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:23.440
don' t get the water from
the rains. The products we are waiting

464
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:29.239
for to be born as guides are
not doing because they are not seeing rain.

465
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.840
Then this is going to delay the
season. Okay, but people,

466
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.119
when they come to consume with us, they taste perfectly. Right now in

467
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:44.519
Santa week we have white beans with
this shrimp and well, we also have

468
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:49.320
the cheese chilies in caldillo. We
have a lot of products that are making

469
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.760
this season. Enriching her like those
who call her Moors with Christians as well,

470
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.840
but we also have chickpeas in sweet
combined with rice with milk, which

471
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:05.679
is very typical in Easter but ending
Holy Week bye ended that season. Let

472
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:10.960
' s start another one to wait
now for nelaguetza and make the products we

473
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.679
made at that time. Then I
tell you we are very respectful of the

474
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.719
seasons and that we are going to
generate self- sustainability and helps us to

475
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.079
preserve and rescue, which is very
important, because promoting it we can promote

476
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.880
clearly that boja. I say what
you think I don' t have mole

477
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.039
anymore, it' s no longer
clear if I came to Oxaca because of

478
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.000
the mole, because, of course, why, because it' s up

479
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.159
to me to take care of it. Then I admire many chefs who make

480
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.480
new proposals, which is wonderful,
but in my case I have to do

481
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:49.400
the gastronomic rescue. I believe and
I want to congratulate you because this explanation

482
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.440
really opens up the picture of what
this local consumption is like and how a

483
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.719
win is generated, how a profit
is generated or for the consumer. Forgive

484
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:07.960
me for winning not only for the
consumer, but really a chance to taste

485
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.239
these foods that are truly delicious.
Now that you' re watching, I

486
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.320
' m already salivating. Woman,
right, I mean, you don'

487
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.199
t want to. Now I want
to ask you something. What' s

488
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:27.639
the weirdest country that asked you to
say oh, boy I sent to mole.

489
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.719
And the other question would be how
does it feel? What does it

490
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.079
feel like? That your mole is
in that corner of the planet that maybe

491
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.519
you don' t even know physically
and you say because I see it on

492
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:45.480
the map and it' s there, but how nice it feels that what

493
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:51.039
the feeling is, tell us the
most beautiful thing was to send Chile Fill

494
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.519
and grind to Dubai Ok. We
had there as you said a moment ago,

495
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.320
it' ll be here, it' ll be in good shape.

496
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.719
Usually we do it in the high
vacuum doesn' t lead to conservatives.

497
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.440
We' re trying to make it
go in the best possible condition. And

498
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:13.159
well, after almost four days came
the product and the truth super happy,

499
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.519
because mer Sam did come very well, all excellent. It was a while

500
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.079
and I saw the mom of the
person who asked us to have small water

501
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:28.719
and she tells me amazing, that
is, my daughter says that they arrived

502
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.519
delicious, the stuffed chilies, the
wonderful mole. So what an outrage.

503
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.039
You' ve passed the test and
I said well, I swear to you,

504
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:42.360
or I' m percine and I
say thank you, because thanks to

505
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:47.440
the fact that they ask for that
the families of the team that work here

506
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.920
in the roses not only stay,
but you also give them a satisfaction that

507
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.840
we' re doing the right thing, that maybe they' re really small

508
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.239
steps and, suddenly, when you
reach a goal, you taste it deliciously,

509
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.719
not because you say thank you very
good that if we' re doing

510
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:12.840
it right, that maybe it'
s costing work, not because it'

511
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.079
s new gastronomic currents and it'
s coming strong and everything, but also

512
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:16.639
the part of presenting, as I
told them, I insist, these traditions,

513
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:16.639
this rescue, because it' s
a rescue, because it' s

514
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.039
a rescue. Luis, of course, there' s a lot of iterification

515
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.119
in Oaxaca. We' ve seen
that all over Mexico there' s going

516
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:30.960
to be a certain gentrification. We
are living it, but I think we

517
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.679
have ourselves as well as we have
to educate the tourism that comes with us.

518
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.679
Now forgive me for interrupting you,
too, because I want you here

519
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:43.800
before I miss telling you something very
important. Your whole team. Your whole

520
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:49.440
team must truly be proud and must
understand from the moment that the valose,

521
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.400
the flimsy, the chilies, the
one that puts in the casserole, the

522
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:59.639
one that goes to the market,
must understand that they are part of this

523
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:05.760
great team and that today that product
is coming to places on the other side

524
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:07.880
of the literal world and that that
must be cause of pride. But not

525
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:14.360
only that. You cause them to
speak well of Mexicans, that is,

526
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.280
not only carry a dish, not
only bear the responsibility of a recipe,

527
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:25.360
not only bear the brand of your
restaurant of this initiative, They bear the

528
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.679
mark of an entire nation and put
the very high name of Mexico. And

529
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.639
that I think is very worthy to
recognize and all those who are part of

530
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.519
your team, indirect or directly also
because, obviously, who buys you,

531
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.320
for example, the pizza shop this
one that buys you the mole that makes

532
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.960
other pizzas is part of this economy
and, at the end of the way,

533
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.760
I think that is worthy of being
admired and recognized. Now also the

534
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.559
interesting thing about this, my dear
Tania, what is the dish they ask

535
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.960
you the most I understand that there
are several, that they are all,

536
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.039
that it is that you did not
talk about it, it is by period,

537
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.159
but that you say. This is
the number one hit and that you

538
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.159
invite, please someone who is in
Spain or Portugal hear me order try it

539
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:17.679
and probably as well as Letti who
is in France. No, obviously they

540
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:23.679
say hear it the same and even
a cool business in. I do not

541
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:30.719
know Italy, in Yugoslavia, how
I know clearly that, of course,

542
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.159
the most requested is black mole.
Of course, he' s the favorite.

543
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:42.639
We' ve got black mole,
red mole, little coloring, chichilo

544
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.800
chintesle, yellow mole, green mole. We have red stew, green stew,

545
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.000
it' s toasted, almondd,
stewed to the caper. We have

546
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:54.559
pot mole, we have what is
pipianmberde, red pipian, stain, tablecloth

547
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:59.639
and good Evidently, the king of
moles is the black, it is the

548
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:05.559
most. From there go the stuffed
chilies, which we have five different types

549
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.920
of chilies, which are two endemic, of oxaca, which is the Chile

550
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.000
of water, the Chile pasilla mige, which is a smoked Chile. The

551
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.800
Chile of water is green and it
is fresh and from there we fill it

552
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.719
with chicken picadillo, body picadillo or
cheese and let' s go hello time

553
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:29.400
we do with Chile poblano, that
is when above all are the chilies in

554
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:35.760
Novara. But the third point they
ask a lot is the serrano taquitos,

555
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.679
which are filled with the picadillo of
the peppers filled with mole, that is,

556
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.119
it is like a small fusion,
but it is still very traditional.

557
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.159
And the room that asks a lot
is the stuffed chili cake, that is,

558
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.519
everything is based on these and the
Chilean cake is delicious. I swear

559
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.920
to you, but every little while
I' m all over Chile' s

560
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.559
cakes. Regue I' m going
to ask you, I' m going

561
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.239
to ask you, I' m
going to ask so that almost everything with

562
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.519
the mustaches stained, is to tell
you good more, how you have me

563
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:13.639
woman I want to, I want
to thank you for this talk. The

564
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.719
truth is that how interesting and I
find it very interesting and the next question

565
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:24.320
would be how you don' t
hold on. But you do keep this

566
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.280
part, because, obviously, when
a person in a different way in this

567
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:37.480
sense, with the master' s
degree in communication, with the specialty in

568
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.880
branding, because you could have said
I' m going to work some transnational.

569
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.119
I' m not going to work
in such a place. If I

570
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.840
am from Oaxaca, yes, I
like monle, but now that I have

571
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.760
this knowledge, as many people say, my focus is on working on a

572
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:59.280
transnational. However, you turned you
said here I have ground gold, not

573
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.440
to a possibility, not only of
business, but of giving work, not

574
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:10.079
only of giving work, but of
helping the municipal, state, national economy,

575
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.599
and not only that, but generating
an experience. Why didn' t

576
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:21.400
you go to a transnational, why
did you stay here and go to that

577
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:27.239
vision of where you took it tell
us, because as I told you at

578
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.880
the beginning and if you heard,
my grandmother raised me and Mom Oli taught

579
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.239
me to love Oaxaca. I mean, he never imposed anything on me.

580
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:40.320
She was never an impositor with me
at some point she didn' t teach

581
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.000
everything with much love and when she
died, I was just going to live

582
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.199
in Puebla, to study, dance, to the udla and, as I

583
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.480
told them yesterday, she was a
choreographer. Also then I said I'

584
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.679
m going to study the utla dance. But she died and then I see

585
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:01.119
that this had a high potential to
get lost because, because my mom was

586
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.119
sad, my aunt was sad,
they were living a duel. I was

587
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.800
living it, too, but I
had a different vision. Then I said

588
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.400
if I don' t keep this, it' s going to be lost,

589
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.840
because surely they can make others,
have other plans and in my plan,

590
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.760
the way to exalt the life that
Mom Oli had lived was, then,

591
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.039
that this tradition was not lost.
Then I start working directly with them

592
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:32.599
studying the communication career. And I
really studied her for not stopping studying.

593
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:37.719
But, however, it seemed to
me afterwards that I fell in love within

594
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.159
the race. I fell in love
with the race itself and understood that it

595
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.760
' s all about communicating. To
eat is to communicate, to talk on

596
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.000
phones, to communicate, to make
a card, to communicate. My body

597
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:57.440
language is communicating. So I said
all communication, it' s all can

598
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.639
be done. And if you see
the social networks and all the people who

599
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.559
don' t and on social networks
from the queen of the moles the pink

600
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.559
restaurant, both on Instagram and Facebook
and on the Internet page, what happens.

601
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:13.760
We are communicating, We are communicating
a message of love, of gastronomic

602
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:21.639
love, but we are communicating and
precisely based on this, I decide to

603
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:27.519
continue to do what the registered brands
are, to do the whole part of

604
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:35.880
organizational communication within the company, to
give it some distinctive as modernizing, like

605
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:42.239
the h that will not only give
us important guidelines to carry with hygiene the

606
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:47.159
restaurant, but also the administrative part, the processes that are lived in every

607
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:52.599
moment, but also the strategy through
social networks. So, for me,

608
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.800
it was much more important this love
of Oaxaca, love of my land,

609
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.840
my customs, than being able to
go elsewhere, I would now be anywhere

610
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:06.840
in the world and I also consider
that I would be very happy. But

611
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.960
today, doing this analysis, I
consider that I did well, because also,

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as we coaplatize and insist a lot
on the gastronomic rescue. The traditional

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00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.239
way of doing it is being lost
and there are people who do it,

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00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:27.840
but it does not have as the
voice, the leadership and the potential to

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00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:34.440
defend it. I believe that within
my Community I have the perfect leadership to

616
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.360
defend it, to say, do
not forget these processes. I mean,

617
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.000
mo is always going to be mole, no matter what is in mirror anyway,

618
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:51.039
but this is an intangible heritage of
humanity. No one would think,

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not, for example, that the
one who makes burgers, that the McDonald

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' s owner, for example,
ate all the burgers. No one would

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think the owner of one of a
brand, of a meat restaurant, eats

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meat all the time. Not in
your case, tell us on a personal

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level, if you keep eating mole
or already flat and you say no and

624
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no. Or if you keep eating
mole regularly. Not sure if we eat

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00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.400
mole regularly, especially when we do
it comes out as I told them about

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00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.480
the four casuals I was telling them. Yeah, the dough comes out of

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00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:36.440
there. Then we, from that
pasta what we do we buy pellets and

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00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.840
we muddy them and mole cakes.
They are a delight of that mole in

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00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:46.199
pasta, as it is prepared we
usually eat it and do the first test.

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That is, we, as a
family, are eating the first plate

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00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.719
of the mole of every casuela that
is prepared from every production. Then let

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' s try it. If it' s perfect, it' s not

633
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:05.199
missing this, it' s missing
the other hour and let' s go

634
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and then in the inter depending on
how long that mole lasts, because it

635
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.599
has a certain duration that will depend
on the number of diners they require.

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We' re eating it to me, as I said personally, serrano taquitos,

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00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.800
that is, it' s the
way I love and love to eat

638
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.599
mole. Also in the aid that
is the aid, but it throws toast.

639
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.199
Sometimes, if they can' t
cough, we toast it in the

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00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.480
mic to make it very practical,
because we uproot it from that first mole

641
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.000
and test it. And it'
s a delicacy in the morning with eggs,

642
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:44.239
oh look muddy with mole. It' s another delight. I mean,

643
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.119
maybe it' s not the enchiladas, the taquitos, yeah, yeah,

644
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.559
sure, but yeah. Those are
the ways we have to consume the

645
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:57.480
bowl. And what was the comment? Evidently, you know the product is

646
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.079
good, that is, when you
know what you' re doing. It

647
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:07.440
' s good when you know your
strategy is working, when you know you

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00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.880
' re generating wealth. Look here
very important this wealth. I' m

649
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:17.320
not talking about money. Wealth is
in its entirety. Yes, you generate

650
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:22.639
money, but you' re also
helping the Community, generating jobs, but

651
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.960
you' re also buying regional product. But also in another way, you

652
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.400
' re making money, but you' re also gaining recognition. That I

653
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:37.199
call wealth when you generate wealth is
also part of this wealth certain comments of

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00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.599
certain people. Evidently, when you
know you' re doing things right,

655
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:47.280
good comments are like very regular.
A foreigner doesn' t come and tell

656
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:53.119
you how rich how wonderful you listen
to me Granny It' s that you

657
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.679
reminded me of my Granny when I
cooked the mill. But there are certain

658
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:02.719
comments that one treasures in his heart
because you say" son" to him

659
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:07.280
that no one had told me.
This no one had seen and this I

660
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:13.960
value beyond that even without meditating on
the prizes. I don' t see

661
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.440
it that way I didn' t
win the oscar. But that particular lady

662
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.159
' s comment filled my heart.
You remember some comment like that, some

663
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:29.639
recognition. So yes, above all
look at the best recognition that we have,

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00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.960
undoubtedly, is when the mole dish
comes so clean or clean the table.

665
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.679
Yes, it is the best recognition, because it is very rare.

666
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:44.000
It' s very rare that your
house doesn' t have such a clean

667
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:49.440
plate of mole. Yeah, in
that case we asked what happened. Oh,

668
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.960
it' s not much for me
I' ve already been filled up

669
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:53.760
or I' ve been filled up, but that' s it. But

670
00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:01.159
one of the very nice comments I' ve had is that he evoked his

671
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:07.119
mom, his grandma. That'
s a nice point. Another one who

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00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.800
might have been clients who came when
my grandma was alive and they said and

673
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.559
now they come with us and they
say it tastes exactly the same as the

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00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:20.440
pier. No difference in hand.
That' s for us like wow,

675
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.000
because we know we' re doing
things right. No. And the other

676
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:31.039
is that he is a Guaxaqueño who
has gone to many sides and who has

677
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:37.679
never come with us and who says
it is the most spectacular molle than likely.

678
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:43.519
So it' s interesting, too. They are not different points of

679
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:49.559
view, but they fall into the
recipe, to have preserved that recipe,

680
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.440
to make it exactly the same.
Sure, now we don' t do

681
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.840
it on coal, we do it
on a stove. The only thing that

682
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.960
changes is cooking times. It'
s the only thing and why, because

683
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:07.159
doing it on coal also damages your
lungs and can give you a touch of

684
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:12.079
the lung system. So what happens, because we are also improving our quality

685
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.119
of life, but we are not
losing that essence. I want to congratulate

686
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:22.000
you in fact, this conversation.
There was also a second part that I

687
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:27.320
then invite you to follow. These
microphones are open for you and the restaurant,

688
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.320
the roses in Oaxaca all the time, not someday. Someday I'

689
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.719
m going to go there and from
now on we' re going to broadcast

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00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:36.840
and I' m going to be
testing the cool mole. I' m

691
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.000
gonna stay there like a month I
think to try everything at the rose restaurant.

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00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.079
But I would like you to tell
us your last message, The idea

693
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:51.519
of this of what a good question
it is for me to ask different questions

694
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:57.119
on different subjects that are unrelated and
play a little bit with the imagination and

695
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.639
know how you think, how you
feel. But for me it was very

696
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.760
important to talk about this culture,
this rescue that you are making gastronomic.

697
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:09.119
For me it is very important to
impact, because we have had the fortune

698
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:15.679
to cross borders with this podcast and
the idea is that this message will reach

699
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:21.280
other countries, other nations and that
they prove it, obviously, to give

700
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.559
us one last message. Please,
I' d love for you to think

701
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.360
of this message as if it was
a message you were going to give to

702
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.679
the whole planet. It' s
going to be translated into all languages,

703
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.960
in all languages, in all dialects, it' s going to be a

704
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.400
message in which it' s going
to be transmitted by all means and that,

705
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:44.760
in one other way, that message
can change the direction and destiny of

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00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.960
this planet Earth. What message would
you give us Tania adenas, because I

707
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:54.800
want to tell all the citizens of
this beautiful world to take care of our

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00:59:55.159 --> 01:00:01.760
planet, we can do it from
our trenches, each one, as in

709
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:08.880
our case, rescuing the traditions and
customs of Oaxaca, presenting them through our

710
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:16.199
tradition, with family season, but
also generating a local consumption, with a

711
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.199
self- sustainability of our environment without
predating it. It is very important to

712
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:24.360
do what we like, but above
all, from whatever trench we find ourselves,

713
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:32.440
we are taking care of our environment
and our environment in a physical,

714
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.559
social, demographic way and from all
aspects that lead to this. We want

715
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:44.199
to invite you to live this tradition
with this season, as I told you

716
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.400
on the social networks of Instagram and
Facebook, like the Rosa Restaurant, the

717
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:52.760
Queen of the Goles and also from
our web page ww la Rosa Restaurant.

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01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:59.559
Com mx visit Oaxaca and when you
visit Oaxaca, give yourself the opportunity to

719
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:06.159
start this wonderful trip to our State
with our letter of fifteen different years,

720
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:12.760
where you will find a multisensory experience
with Oaxacan music, with Zapoteco. One

721
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:19.360
hundred percent Oaxacan with fifteen moles,
different agaves, wild of natural conservation and

722
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.119
good, of course, at the
hand of a family very Uaxaqueña, very

723
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:29.679
nativeris, own in its genre,
of being representing this beautiful and delicious tradition,

724
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.800
concesón that we make as a team, because also all the collaborators of

725
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.800
the rose restaurant and also my mother
char my mom Letti Ruiz and my aunt

726
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:45.119
Charito Ruiz, who are in hand
with us fifth, sixth and seventh generation,

727
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.920
we are still hand in hand providing
this delicious tradition. Ponce are from

728
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.599
the pink restaurant. I invite you
to cultivate your traditions and customs from wherever

729
01:01:54.719 --> 01:02:00.760
you are and from there and they
are Mexico, they are Oaxacan, they

730
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:07.960
share from that cultural wealth to the
world, many blessings, really, for

731
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:12.800
You, for all your restaurant team, the roses, many blessings, for

732
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.800
Letti, for Charito, many blessings. Thank you, Thank you, Letti,

733
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:23.079
Charito, for keeping this wonderful tradition. Thank you because you too are

734
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:30.000
very important in this equation, because
without this, because obviously Tania would be

735
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.119
as director of some transnational and today
she is here. And not only that.

736
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:38.280
Thanks to Satania, because obviously,
Renata and Miranda are also seeing with

737
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:45.159
their eyes the miracle of being able
to preserve a Mexican tradition so important and

738
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:50.679
beyond all the gastronomy that falls,
we have to learn to eat, but

739
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.079
we have to learn to eat well
and for that nothing better than to go

740
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:59.639
to the rest of before the roses
and try a good molet and all the

741
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.000
prontillos that have thanks of true lives, many blessings. My dear Tania,

742
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:06.599
I send you a big hug and
I' ll invite you back to talk

743
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.360
to you about everything else. But
thanks to everyone and you too, I

744
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:16.840
invite you to share this chapter,
because in addition to the fact that I

745
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:21.039
have already eaten, because you already
asked for water in your mouth, no,

746
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.039
but what is also important is that
you know a little more about Mexico

747
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:28.639
through its culture and through gastronomy.
I' m Luis Miguel Salgado. This

748
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.519
is what a good question we see
and hear in a next chapter. See

749
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:37.480
you later, Tania Thank you very
much. See you later, see you

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soon bye gives money n

