Hey, guys. Uh, I just wanted to introduce you to someone that
I'm talking to. He does. He's a researcher, very intelligent guy.
I got to know him, I got to like him. I'm gonna do
the Bullpen. It's a news channel. He's doing research for me, and
I really actually want him on the show with me. It's about, you
know, the news, what's going on in the country, what's going on
in the world. He's very, very knowledgeable, he's very smart. I
saw him do his own speaking and engagements, and I'm captured by his intelligence
and uh and everything about him. He's also doing research on history in a
mafia. And this is his name, is Jay Dwyer sitting in his office
over there in front of his books and little nerdy. He loves books and
loves stuff like that. He's not a nerd nerd, but he loves that
kind of stuff and it's fits right into my situation. So this is Jay
Dwyer. Thank you, Sam. You honored to be here. Yeah.
I grew up with a navy dad and a mom that was an editor and
a librarian, so I just grew up around a lot of books. And
actually I thank her for that. So you know, that's why we got
me sitting in here in my library, just because I kind of stumbled into
all this stuff accidentally. You know, I grew up watching a lot of
Mafia movies and watching movies that talk about your life, movies that talk about
stories around figures that you knew and that you interacted with. So it's just
kind of surreal to be here talking to you. But thank you so much,
glad to be here and looking forward to get into whatever you want to
talk about. And maybe I can ask you some good questions too. Yes,
well we talked once before. Now I go back. I'm born in
nineteen forty five. My mentor, you know, into the Mafia was Tato
Aurello. Actual, you know, he was the mentor now. He was
thirty one years older than me, So if he was alive right now,
he would be one hundred and nine years old. So when I would sit
back and listen to him, and he would mentor me and talk about his
life growing up, talked about people like Lucky Luciano, Vito Genovis, al
Campone, on and on on. So I didn't live in that era,
but I lived next to Tato for years, side by side. I heard
old the stories, so I do have a lot of knowledge about those things,
the hookups with the Church and the World War Two. I was just
born in forty five. It was the end of the war, but I
heard about a lot of things that went on from people who were in it.
A lot of mafiosos were actually in that war. They fought. There
was things I know about the hook ups with the Church and jays. Yeah,
very knowledgeable a lot of that stuff. Yeah. So a little bit
about me. My background is I did academic studies relating to psychological warfare and
the Cold War. I have a background of I was Roman Cali for many,
many years, and then I kind of got tired of that, wasn't
very really interested in it anymore. But I got a lot into the history.
So I got deep into the relationship between the Church, as you said,
and other entities, not just the history of the mafia connecting with the
church, but also intelligence agencies how they played into a lot of stuff,
particularly in you know, World War two. Uh So it's really a side
interest that that I started looking into maybe four or five years ago, and
I got deeper and deeper into it because you start to realize that, uh,
these connections run really deep and they overlap so well. My first two
books they were on Hollywood. So I wrote a couple of books on the
history of Hollywood and the connections between Hollywood and various uh you know, factions
and groups u and how that also overlaps with both the mafia and intelligence agencies.
So that's what I what I cover most of the time. During the
week, I do a lot of stuff with Alex Jones, I do his
Fourth Hour, that kind of stuff, and then I do a lot of
debates, and you know, we do comedic stuff. We do a whole
bevy of things. But so my introduction came through a lot of the history
of the church, and then I realized that I'm gonna have to get deeper
into the history of specifically the Sicilian mafia. And my understanding is that that
goes back to even the Renaissance area era, maybe the Borgias, maybe the
Medici's, you know, this period when there was a lot of movements for
Sicilian independence. And so my understanding is that the history of the mafia is
that it was a lot of guys that wanted to kind of be local militia
figures there were people who were local figures protecting from invaders, you know,
if anybody tried to invade Sicily, So you kind of needed a local militia,
and over time this developed into gangs that developed into different freedom fighters.
At one point, I think when there was a movement for Italian independence,
a lot of the Maviozzi went and fought for independence, specifically of Sicily.
And so when you had people coming over to America, it just seemed natural
that people from the old country would want to have people setting up in the
new country. And if you can't really trust the police force when you come
to a new country, there's not much you can do. They might already
be co opted. So people people turned to you know, local protectorates,
right, is that correct? Yes? Absolutely. You know when it started,
the mafia started in Sicily and Sicily only and it spread to the rest
of Italy. But it wasn't the mafia. It was clans. It was
you know, local invaders came in and to protect their farms. They were
farmers and they you know, they had a very small police force there,
so they ran to people and it was like a clan. It was a
family, uncles, cousins, brothers. Whatever belonged to this clan, and
the neighbors in these small villages were just like family to them. So when
they had their meetings, the klan got together, the women cooked, they
went on the side. The men talked and they talked about their problems and
how to protect the people from these invaders or different things from government. They
didn't trust the government, that didn't trust the police. Police. Sports was
very very small in Sicily, and actually they got favors from the mafia.
But eventually that's what it became. It became the mafia and mafioso's and they
became you know, they went to the elites. They had farms and they
shook them down for protection. Now we know it through the movies. They
go in, they bullied them, they shake them down. They didn't do
that. They did they made them get robbed. So the people who owned
those farms, cow farms or whatever it was would go to the head of
the klan or the head mafioso and tell him, you know, I need
your protection, and he would charge them, but he didn't put it in
his pocket and walk away. He built schools, hospitals, he helped the
people, so he was beloved by the people. It wasn't like you know
it turned out years later and if somebody like there was stories that I heard
that someone's daughter was raped and they went to the head guy, let's call
him Joseppe. They went to Joseppe and he said, who did it?
And there was two military men who raped this guy's daughter. And he got
the clan together and they killed him. Now the town knew, they wanted
the town to say who killed them. They would never give it up,
no matter what, because they did that to protect their people, their daughters,
their wives, people like that, so they loved them. They then
they wouldn't give them up no matter what the court was. And I heard
a couple of stories that are a little crazy, but I wouldn't doubt it.
And and that's how it became. And it wasn't a shakedown where he
just got money like you see in the movies. He'd go in, he
got that money. He was shaking them down for the people. It benefited
the whole town, the whole area. And then he started resolving beefs within
different families, arguments, husbands and wives. He would sit down and you
would go to him, and he became a don and you went to him
and he resolved problems, whether it be a marital problem, a town,
another town, the police, the government. He was there for you.
And when it got to the wars, the mafia hated Bascism, hated it
with a passion. They always had this super tight relationship with the Church,
and there's so many stories with the Church and them, And you know,
going back to the time, I heard tons of story about Mussolini, who
became the leader, and he eventually was very close with Hitler. He made
a deal with Hitler right then. I heard stories that I'm not sure if
it was Propius to twelfth or the thirteen had a close relationship with Hitler as
well. Matter of fact, I heard this and I even read this,
is that when Hitler had some sort of a party, he made the cardinals
or bishops, whatever it is, go to him, congratulate him on his
success, and try to keep a real close relationship with him. Yeah,
so you know, you would know better than me because you have this research
ability to go back into those areas. I've heard secondhand stories, but together
if they're true, you know, I would love to talk about all of
those things. I think my understanding is Mussolini. When he came to power,
he saw the existing Maviiosi as a threat. So he saw that as
a threat to you know, his running Italy, and so he basically booted
them out for a period. So this caused a lot of animosity, like
you said. But and prior to that, my understanding was that the Church
was really in Italy was very pro mabiozi. They thought that they were good
at, you know, defending things, as you said, from invaders,
this kind of stuff. So they had a pro mabiosi attitude. But then
there was a pressure that was put on Pious at twelve at certain times to
either side with the CIA in the West first THESS and the CIA, or
was he going to make alliances and deals with Hitler. So he tried,
i think for a while to play both sides. Because one figure that plays
a big role in this was the CI director William Colby, because during the
Cold War Colby was the first to go and set up a relationship with Pious
the twelfth for the CIA right. And so that becomes the basis of this
the famous story probably everybody has heard about with the Vatican Bank and how the
Vatican Bank starts to be this kind of money laundering operation. So so I
think that that Pies twelfth was trying to play both sides because he wasn't they
you know, he wasn't really sure who was going to win World War two,
so he probably hedged his bets and then when it looked like the Access
Powers were not going to win, he decided to make deals with you know,
the West, and that led to a lot of uh, in my
view, a lot of problems for the Vatican in the coming decades because they
were now under new masters. I'm speaking specifically in my view, I think
of the Western intelligence structure, but that same Western intelligence structure had done the
same move with the mafia, both in the US and in Sicily, making
alliances. Prior to that, the OSS and the Navy. The Navy had
recruited I think Don Genovise to do it to be a translator. So right
before, right before and during World War two, they needed people that could
translate Sicilian, and so I think Don Genovis was recruited to do translation.
And then Lucky Luciano was cruited by the Navy precisely because of Mussolini. They
wanted some intel on Mussolini, and they had a plan in case they could
use the mafia for a coup. There was there were there were two different
attempts at a coup where the Mafiozi would have been put in leadership roles had
those coups been successful. There was a plan for a coup in the forties,
I think, and then another plan for a coup in the seventies in
Italy. I'm not a not an Italian historian. I'm just going to remember
on this, but I don't think either of those were successful, but they
were plans that were there, and they had the idea would have been that
had those coups been successful against Mussolini and then second and then later against the
Communists, because the Communists started having a lot of influence in Italy. And
that was also part of the reason why after Pious the twelfth and the popes
after him, you know, they wanted more of an alliance with the West
because there was this fear that Communism might take over Italy, right right,
Yeah, I mean that that all makes sense to me. I mean in
most of the stuff that I've heard, Like I said, tru Tato,
I go back one hundred years maybe not one hundred years, but I go
back quite a bit, and I've heard all of these stories told to me
and stuff like that. I mean, Lucky Luciano had you know, when
he got arrested. He got arrested and he was sentenced to forty five years
in prison for his war efforts. They released him early, let him out
and said, but you have to go back to Sicily, you can't stay
here. They did that. Now, what was his war efforts? His
war efforts is they hated fascism. They hated Mussolini for the relationship with Hitler
and for the way he treated the mafia and Sicily, the Sicilians. So
they opened up the peers, not only in the United States, but they
opened up the peers in Italy so the troops could come in, sneak into
the country and defeat Maussolini and Hitler. And for those war efforts, which
he did, he was released. So I know all of that for a
fact. There's all a fact with that. He was working with the CIA
and the United States just cut his sentence off when the war was over,
goodbye, good luck, have a great life, and he left. So
yes, those names, Bido Genovich, Lucky Luciano. Yes, they were
involved with the CIA, with the Italians, the people who hated fascism,
but Massolini was all power and it was hard to stop him. He was
controlling the military, he was controlling everything. So yeah, there's a lot
of truth to all of that. You know, I heard stories about during
the war there was a lot of Italians for some reason and had relationships with
a lot of Jews. We also know about Lucky Luciano with Maya Lansky.
There was a lot of Jews and Italians that had good relationships. And I
understood this story. Todt Or he told me once that in Why when Hitler
was killing the Jews left and right, what the Italian mafia did was try
to smuggle a lot of them out, especially the kids. They would get
them out, they would dress them up like little Talian boys or girls,
put them on ships like their Italians and ship them out to America and freedom.
And they were having trouble and difficulty with that whole process. Then they
went to the church. The church refused to help and there was a split
between the mafia and the church for a while. Now. I'm not sure
what you know, hope was there, but it was probably proprius to twelfth
and so, you know, there were so many stories like that. Then
you wonder why, you know, why did the Italian mafia have such a
great relationship with the Jews. It happened in the war. They were saving
them. They really liked each other a lot, and they were working together.
And that's how Maya Lanski And you know, there's a whole shipload,
a whole boatload of Jews that were close with the mafia from time to time
the whole time, even during the Joe Colombo days before he was killed,
there was relationships. I remember that he did these speeches for the Italian American
League, and I remember one day I was there the first time he gave
the speeches, not the second time when he got shot. But there was
the Jewish Defense League. The head of the Jewish Defense League was on the
podium giving speeches and backing Joe Colombo and the Italians. So there was a
very very strong relationship between the Jews and the Italians for a very very long
time. My neighborhood growing up in bets and Hurst, Brooklyn, was predominantly
all Italian and Jews. I lived in a house on both sides of us.
Both houses were Jews, and my father had a close relationship, so
the Italian seemed to have that relationship for a very long time. It stayed
there and went away. It stayed, but you know, especially during the
war, so a lot of these things happened. That's where I'm a little
confused. You go back to Papayus the twelfth. I mean, you know,
I only have hearsay about what went on, but I know that title.
Well, people like that who talk to me had no reason to lie.
We were just reminiscing, talking about He would ask me about my childhood
growing up, and in that conversation he talked about his own childhood growing up
and where they came from. He came from Sicily and and people that they
knew. You know, my father would do that. Tadda would do that,
So my grandfather would do that a little bit. So, you know,
I go back quite a bit hearing the stories firsthand, and they're just
stories. It's not made up. It's not for a movie, it's not
for a book. This was just conversation. So they were beautiful conversations.
When I look at it now, what they're talking about, I feel like
I'm part of history, right. Yeah. No, it's great to talk
to you because, you know, what you're saying really kind of backs up
a lot of the you know, the research that you just read it in
books, but you know, to hear it from somebody who's talked to the
actual people and been one of the people in it, right, that's that's
a whole other level of kind of a confirmation of you know that the research
is right. But you talked about one of the things you wanted to get
into was the history of the ceremony, right, so being made the symbolism
of the origins of that ritual. You know, I remember it came out
I think in the seventies when one of the first people who had been arrested
when he flipped the way back in the seventies, maybe even the sixties,
but you know, he had talked about the America, he talked about the
ritual, and nobody had really talked about it until, you know, until
this time, and then it came out and then oh yeah, so it
turns out there's this kind of a symbolic, quasi religious ceremony. Would you
go into some of that, because in my my understanding is and and I
don't know a whole lot about it other than what's out there in the public
purview. Is just that you kind of had an idea of an oath that
that was binding on you, and then you you have symbolic religious elements with
the saint card, right, and you prick your finger, and then it's
a sort of an oath that's made correct, right right. The guy,
one of the first guys, I think he sat in front of a committee,
who this you know about the oath? I can't think of his name
right this second? What's his name? The first guy who cooperated in front
of us. I can't think his name either, But yeah, I know
you're talking about. That's what I was trying to think of. Yeah,
yeah, I'm it'll come to me as i'm talking. A matter of fact,
they gave him after he cooperated, they put him in a prison.
The Pollacchi and Vallacci turned around in a prison. They gave him. They
called the Vallacci suite. That a crazy thing about the Vallacci and well,
Ballacchi gave up the whole thing, the ceremony. What it was about what
happened in uh in uh in Italy. I mean he really was very,
very, very knowledgeable. He was a made guy. Uh And when I
cooperated. I was with the government for quite a while in Quantico in different
places, and when I was done, they wanted to put me somewhere to
do time, and they told me they were going to put me in the
Volacchi suite. So I said, okay. It was in Texas, in
a prison in Texas. When I got in, there was a big steel
door. You walk in the front door, and right to the right,
right on the side, there was another big steel door. They opened it
up with a long staircase going straight up, so it's away from the it's
in the prison, but it's away from everybody. And I walked up there
and went in and there was three cells. That was the Volacci suite.
Right across from the three cells was a huge fucking shower and a thing where
you could hang your clothes, and a little bit of a closet there for
towels and whatever. Then when you came out, it was a station for
a guard to sit there. And you went in it was a big,
big living room type of thing. It had some windows but with screens on
the locked and had a TV in their refrigerator in their regular stove, couch
chairs and tables, the whole nine yards. You didn't eat the prison food.
What they did is they talked to me, what do you like to
eat? And I'd give him a whole list of food, and they just
went out and bought it, brought it back. And this was supposed to
be heaven. Well, guy will cooperated and safe as hell. You went
up on the ladder and I went up to the roof and there was some
workout equipment, bikes, some bullshit stuff that you could work out on the
roof, so you could go do that. You could do all these things.
I think I was in that about and it was weird because I knew
the story of Alacchi. Yeah. So when I went to bed the first
or second night, I'm saying, there was the three cells. I don't
know what cell he was in. Nobody was in the other cells, and
the same with him. And I laid down into bed and I thought,
my god, I'm laying in Valachi's bed. He cooperated, I cooperated.
I didn't like it. So anyway, I got back and I called a
government and I told him get me the fuck out of here. I don't
want to be in here. Why say, I mean it's safe. You
a get whatever food you want. We're taking care of you one hundred percent.
Yeah, I don't like it. Put me in prison, put me
back with people. If you leave me in here. The God is petrified
of me, I said, because he asked me questions, you know who
are you? So I said, well, do you want to know for?
He said, well, you must be pretty famous for them doing this.
He had no idea who I was, and I was breaking chops.
I'm always a ball breaker, and I told him I'm Jeffrey Dahma. The
fucking guy was like what And then then he found out he must have read
out. He didn't want to be at the same fucking place with me.
So anyway, then he knew I would send me the boat. And you
know, he laughed a little bit, but I told him, listen,
you're not a bad guy. I just can't stay with you forever. There's
no way I could just sit in this room with you, would you know?
I know I could eat whatever I want. I was ordering ice cream
every fucking thing. They would give me whatever I want. I said,
I don't want nothing. I just want to be with people. Like myself
criminals. They had witness units. Put me in a unit. I don't
care what you want to do with me. I need other people with me.
I told that to the government, to the God because I didn't want
to disrespect him. I didn't want him to think I didn't like him or
I didn't want to be there. And I told the same thing to the
government and they moved me. So this goes back to him and that whole
thing, and that's who Vallacchi was the first guy to disclose the whole thing.
Now a ceremony. It took off a religious content. For this reason,
is going back, like we were just talking, the mafia always had
a close relationship with the Catholic religion. And you know, even in Brooklyn,
you past guys who were made guys, you'd see the Madonna or the
Mother or all the statues in their yards. They went to church, they
fought in the wars. They had this religious belief with them. So with
the oath, I think took on this religious thing that we're all Catholics,
we're all Italian, we're all in the mafia. And then when they take
this oath, they try to make it so strong and I'm going to give
you what it is. They tell you today. You're born. Forget your
past, whatever it was, the rebirth. They're born as of today,
and this becomes number one in your life. It's above God, country,
and family. Now they're just saying that. They don't really mean that.
They just want you to understand how powerful it is. If you can believe
like that, nobody's going to ask you. They tell you, if you're
in a hospital where your son is dying and the boss sends you, you
leave them and come. Now, that's a rule, but nobody's ever going
to ask you to do that. If you're in a hospital with your kid,
nobody's going to call you out of that hospital. Oh, let's say
it's an extreme emergency and nobody's going to stop you from loving and praying to
God. Sure, but if you take that oath to that degree and you're
willing to that, you're willing to die for God in Austraa. You're willing
to kill for Gozen austra for the good of this secret society they want you
to. They want to drum that into you one hundred percent, so you
will do the most outlandish things. I didn't hit the Johnny Keys thing,
and everybody and his mother said just said, I mean, you're gonna die.
This is insane. I walked into to a war in Philadelphia with this
Johnny Keys. I can't discuss it too much because I'm doing a movie about
it, so but it was so insane, but I did it anyway.
Toto was my mentor. He's the guy who proposed me to come and made
guy. He was my godfather. The post of the family is my father.
The second time I went to meet Johnny Keys, everybody was saying no.
He hugged me, kiss me. When we broke the kissy had tears
coming down his eyes and he's a real tough guy, and it shruck me.
I never saw him cry. I never saw anything like that. But
I walked away. I said, he doesn't think I'm gonna make it.
He thinks I'm gonna die. And then I felt proud of him because he
loved me. That's why he was crying and he thought I was going to
die. But yet, because an usher came first, I had to do
what I had to do. And if it meant that I was going to
lose my life in the process, he wasn't okay with it. It bothered
him, but he wouldn't stop it. And that's loyalty that goes in Ustra.
That's beyond words. It goes back to the oath. This thing comes
first beyond God, country and your family. I was his family because an
Ushra was first, so you know, and that's what that oath came.
And that the saint. When they burned this saint, it's burning in your
hand and you're juggling it back and thoughts or your hand don't burn. It
burns anyway, but a lot less. And when they're done, you're repeating
the oath with him, and then you crush it and the ashes go into
the airs ray and he says, if you betray the oath, may your
soul burn in hell like the saint burnt in your hand. So it's so
strong, the oath. It's that not only part of your heritage, it's
part of your religion believes. So if you believe in God, you believe
in your background, who you are, you're Italian, or you believe goes
in Austra, you believe in this secret society, you're willing to die for
it, go to prison for it, whatever it may be, so they
instill that in you, and most people take that very serious. It fell
apart in me. As we'll get into that later, we'll go to why
there's so many different reasons, but before that, we're talking literally about the
history of it, so we'll stay with that a little bit and any other
questions. Yeah, so I was thinking, you know, when you were
talking about describing this, it sounds like it's got elements of, as you
said, the Catholic with you know, Catholicism with the saint. And it
also sounds like an element of secret society, which I've heard you, you
know, compare this to a kind of a secret society. Maybe maybe not
identical to other secret societies like Freemasonry, but maybe there's elements of things that
are similar to it that are used and brought in. And it also seems
like, you know, the brotherhood element also seems like the family clan element.
And there's also the blood element with the blood oath. And is that
because there's the history of it being clans in the sense of you know,
one hundred percent pure Sicilian bloodline, and that's all part of it too,
right to create that binding effect, right, Yes, Yes, it goes
back and when they teach you you're going back in history. You're what you're
doing is walking forward in the future, but you're walking in people's footsteps from
way back where they started and what it was. So you're having your emotional
being is thinking, I'm part of this whole history. It's like Illuminati and
all of these different groups. Now they have different rules, different regulations,
but they have these secret societies. Some of them come out of colleges and
universities, some of them come out of different places. They have similar beliefs,
but not totally. Some of them go into devil worship and weird fucking
places that that that we didn't. We went more into religious beliefs along with
our history, our background. That's what blended us. These other ones have
different type of them. I note you know some of them. I had
my brother in Lo Angelo, I believe was he was an engineer. He
was a legitimate guy. He was an engineer and he worked in buildings and
he got a promotion to a job one time, a job offer, and
these people owned about five big Manhattan hotels and they wanted him to be their
engineer and they interviewed him. It was brilliant. I mean, this guy
here. As a hobby, he would build a television in his house,
putting things together, the burning wires, made his own television. What the
fuck does that, you know? But anyway, he was into all of
that stuff and they offered him this job and it was a big rais,
big opportunity. I remember I'm at home talking to my sister. My sister
talked to me about it. This is my oldest sister. And the problem
was is that they were Freemasons who owned this, these buildings, and they
wanted their head engineer to be a Freemason. And that was the problem.
He was talking to my sister that they're not, you know, Freemasons,
they're Catholics, that they don't even know anything about it. He knew a
little bit about it, and there was a conversation whether he would join and
make this open and become there for the job and for everything else. And
I don't think my sister wanted it to happen. She thought, she,
I don't know, she is betting up my brothers in the fucker mafia.
And how you're going to be a freemason. You didn't want it. And
I remember there was little, you know, arguments not arguments, but discussions
about it. But I think he did become one because he got the job
as an engineer. And I had asked them, Angelo, did you join?
No, I listen, I don't even want to discuss it. So
I think he joined and he was bound by whatever oath he took, and
he was and I respected that, so I backed off. But I knew
myself for him to get the job, you know, and he don't want
to discuss it, he joined, so but he wouldn't discuss anything that they
say or do anything like that. So I never knew their rules or anything
like that, but but I knew that these organizations, they do exist.
Yeah. Yeah, So you had mentioned also the history of in the US,
the impact of mafia on US culture, and this is this is where
it gets really fascinating, because there's there's just so many angles to which you
know the history of what you guys were doing and involved. It just it
just hits at so many angles. Right, You've got JFK, You've got
the FBI, You've got Marilyn Monroe, You've got so many movies coming up
to even you know, the present time. It's hard to know where to
begin. But maybe let's start with some of the JFK stuff, because what
seemed to come out over time, and I know there's a million theories about
JFK, but what seems to make the most sense to me from what I've
read, is that you had a complex relationship between Joe Senior, who was
running liquor with al Capone at one point out of Arkansas, from Chicago down
through Arkansas. And if you go to Hot Springs, there's a whole history
that you can do there in Hot Springs because you know, the Mafia had
a time period when they had a lot of meetings and whatnot in Hot Springs,
Arkansas. And then so there was a close relationship between the Mob and
the Kennedy And then we got essentially the Mafia helps the Kennedys get elected.
So they help campaign, they tell them to you know, they go to
the unions, they go to the workers, They get the machine, the
Chicago machine, and all these kinds of you know, the political machine to
get the Kennedys into power. And then when the Kennedy's get in power,
you get this really tense relationship, a lot of things going on. You
got Sam gun Khana Momo in Chicago. He's, you know, with Marilyn
Monroe flirting around for a time. Marilyn Monroe was flirting around with the Kennedy's
for a time, and so there's this weird relationship with her. Where my
theory is, I kind of think she might have been kind of a sex
operative or somebody there to kind of get dirt on everybody, and that might
have led to what happened with her demise. But long story short, it
seems that the Kennedys kind of win against the people that had helped them,
and this was a play to key factor perhaps in the downfall of the Kennedys.
What do you think about, Well, now you're coming into my era
and my time. Now, I was young. I was eighteen years old,
and I don't want to say that I knew the Kennedys. I was
eighteen years old when he was killed. But I know you're coming into my
time where I come in. I'm really knowledgeable about that stuff. Now,
as far as the Kennedy assassination, let me go back where you started with
his father. His father was a bootlegger. Yeah, when they did probition,
he was a bootlegger and he was hooked with the mafia. Now you're
saying without Capone and whoever and uf facts to that, which is great,
But I know that he was definitely a bootlegger and he definitely came to the
mafia, whether it be Al Capone, whether it be some of the bosses,
it immediately ran around to the entire mafia. He's asking for help.
He's hooked up in Chicago, he's hooked up in a bunch of places,
and he's asking for help to make his son the president of the United States.
This went all over the place, in every state in the United States,
not every every state that there was a mafia family. All the bosses,
great idea. Everybody put in their little ideas. If we get him
in, if we do this, how do we stand with the government.
Yes, And the story comes back from Joe Kennedy. Great, the government
is going to love the mafia. We're gonna bypass you. We're not gonna
hurt you, we're not gonna bother with you, we're not gonna do anything.
We're gonna actually even open doors field. Should they go in this massive
push to make him the president. They get in touch with every boss in
the country. They get in touch with every union in the country, and
there's a massive push to push him. Now, I was a kid,
so I'm running around to grocery stores and putting up signs, and if there's
another sign with another president, I ripped that down. Have the owner there
get this fucking sign out of here, but lift this one on. And
we're telling the Italian people in our neighborhood, this is good for us,
for the Italians. So there's a massive, massive push for him to become
the president of the United States, and he wins. He wins. Now,
I wouldn't say one hundred percent the mafia did it. I think he
was smart. I think he was fair. I think he was a good
guy. I think he listened to his father. He got help help.
Yeah, So I don't want to say that the mafia put him in,
but it was a big, big helping hand. But he had all those
other qualities he also had. And this comes from the mafia. Hollywood,
Yes, because they had the rat pack. Sinatra, Dean Martin, the
whole nine yards. Mala Monroe that you mentioned, was super, super close
with the rat pack. They were part of her success. They helped her,
They loved her as a person. She was a sex object, no
question about it. They talked to her and she was cool with these things.
I don't want her to look slottly when I talk about it. But
they talked to her and they said, listen, go down with the president
were there's a whole thing. There's a pack the mafia with us. One
of the Kennedy's brother in law. The fuck is his name, Peter Lawft
his brother in law to in the Kennedy's. He's related to him. So
now Hollywood is packed in there, The mafia is packed in Their unions are
packed in there. You know, you don't need too much more. And
it's it's over over the top. He wins. So and Madelon Monroe goes
there and she's banging them, but she really goes there to do a favor.
But she gets to really really like him a little too much. Maybe
I could even extend it to say maybe she fell in love with him a
little bit. It was not just a job anymore. She enjoyed him,
so she continued it. Sam Gia Kanna had a girlfriend, Judith Wexler.
History shows it. She's she's uh sam Giacanna's girlfriend, Gumara, whatever you
want to call it. He sends her to Kennedy with packages. There's documents
about that she's having sex with him. Yeah, now, and he's sending
packages back. Nobody knows who's what's in those packages going back and forth.
I don't think. I don't think it's ever been disclosed. Now, that's
John Kennedy's little thing. He's sexually active. He's got Malon Monroe here,
Judith over here, he has a beautiful wife and a couple of more gumnas
here and there. But he's like any other guy. He's sexually active,
very active. The problem comes that Bobby Kennedy hates the fact that his father
and his brother are in bed with the mafia. That that's how he got
elected. Right, he becomes the attorney General and against his brother's wishes,
he goes against the mafia to try and distance his family from them, and
the mafia feels betrayed. Now this is where I come into I know,
not I heard. I start to know there's they're bitter, They're real bitter
about things. And it takes a while for me. I don't know right
then and there, but I get to know. Marilyn Monroe becomes hooked on
drugs, the mafia is worried. Now. She was perfect, good person,
loyal, sexual, beautiful actress, perfect marriage they had. But now
she's on drugs and that's former part and they're worried about it. From what
I understand now, when she sings at his birthday in front of the whole
audience at the birth they missed the president right, Well, that was how
that sentence. The mafia looks at that. Oh my god, the whole
world is looking at this. We got the president. We have to protect
him. She'll lose his presidency. Bha. I was told we killed her.
When I say me, I'm not involved in it, but we killed
Tarta mafia. And when I heard it from Tado, I was she was
my idol. I loved her just like every other kid my age. And
I what I told him, we killed her for what? And this is
the story he had told me. With that song and this and that,
nobody wanted to She was great, but she became a junkie. We lost
control of Huh. They fell in love. They had to break this up.
Got to stop it or they lose the presidency. What's more important now,
Monroe or the president of the United States? In your back pocket.
So that was the decision that was made. That's all I knew. I
mean, I don't know it factually, but I heard it so to speak
right from the horse's mouth, now, Toddle. I asked them, did
you take part? No? No, but I listen. I know what
I'm talking about. So that he's not talking like he's cooperating or he's talking
to me. Me and him just shooting the ship. So I take it
for factuals Now, when I cooperated, the FBI came down and talked to
me. The FBI was handling me and watching me and talk on me every
day. They said, Sammy, a couple of have you guys are coming
down from Marshington. I joke around a lot of stuff. Don't joke around.
It's a serious shit, all right. They came in a bunch of
them suits. Nice Sammy. We want to ask you about the Kennedy.
What do you want to ask? Who did it? From Dallas, Texas,
the flash apparent, the official President Kennedy died at one the Central Standard
time two o'clock Eastern Standard time. What do you want to ask? Who
did it? I told him, you must be joking, I said,
I know everybody hated Bobby Kennedy. Hated him with a fucking passion. The
head of the FBI, Hoover, the vice president, the CIA, the
mafia, you name it. They hated him. His own brother John.
He went to his brother John. There was a doctor he had a bed
back and was giving him injections. He found out that an injection had some
sort of painkiller and cocaine mixed together, and he wanted arrest the doctor.
And John Kennedy told Bobby Kenny, get the fuck out of my office.
I don't care what he's putting in my back. I don't feel any pain
when he does it. Mind your business. Joe Kennedy tried to stop Bobby
Kennedy, but Joe Kennedy had a stroke or something. Of course, now
that mafia was growling at him, and he got sick, so he went
on the back burner. That is an old Sicilian saying, you chopped the
head of the fish off and the fish dice. So who's the head,
Bobby or John? John? Yeah, so that that could have been.
Now there's conversations that Carlos Massala from Louisiana, Sam Jeff Traffic Canty from Florida,
were two major guys who were pushing to kill the president. A lot
of other bosses were going along with that as well, even though they didn't
want to. They had to stop. What was about happening to them,
the betrayal that Bobby showed. Yes, they couldn't control the father no more.
It was sick. It was an invalid. So the decision was to
stop it. But I told the FBI guys who were with me, I
can tell you one thing. I know for sure. Mafiosos were not sitting
on that grassy knoll. That's not the way we killed. Those are guys
with high powered fucking rifles with scopes. That's your CIA guys. That's you
guys who did that. Right now, we're all part of it. Hoover
was the head of the FBI. He never publicly says those this thing as
a mafia. That's a joke. Your ten year old kid would say,
yeah, there's a mafia. He didn't know it. Of course he knew
it. So everybody concealed that. Everybody was working together in a group,
whether it was the government, the mafia, Jewish organizations, all every fucking
thing working together, and they all had one thing in common. I remember,
and I told was they hated Bobby Kennedy. He destroyed his own fingly
and he was destroyed. This whole relationship that went on to make his brother
the boss. Ted Kennery was just as bad. Ted Kennedy had a girlfriend
who worked for him, freshed his car in a creek. He gets out,
she don't get out, and he runs away. You don't swim back
to try to help him. He don't do anything. He runs home to
try to cover it up. From what I read, that poor girl stood
sixteen hours in that car with her face. Of course the car was upside
down on the top, sucking air. Took us sixteen hours to die.
He could have saved her at any Give him fucking time. There's another piece
of shit in the Kennedy family. So Bobby and him Teddy, and there's
another one who lived in Connecticut who raped then a young girl. So there's
all kinds of stories. The highlight of that family was Joe Kennedy and John
Kennedy. John Kennedy gave a speech that remained with me my whole life.
Don't ask what your you government could do for you, ask what you can
do for your government. So he was a great president. He fucked up
in Guantanamo. Obey Cia was involved, he didn't follow through. So everybody
there was all kinds of beefs with that whole relationship. But John could have
made a fuck up, you know, anybody could suck up. They wouldn't
have never killed him for that. It was what Bobby did. Yeah,
So I told the government that's what I know. The government guys who were
there talken to me, let me get back to that said stop this convers
station, scrub all these notes, and we weren't here and left. Wow,
And I never heard about it again. Huh. So I must have
hit a button somewhere along the line that they didn't like that. It was
then that did the actual hit. Now I watched the car with him and
his wife driving. Yeah, I could tell you I'm a hit, you
know that. I could tell you one thing. You get hit with a
rifle in your neck, in the back of your head. You're going forward
on right now he is when you see the shot, he's going forward.
Then all of a sudden it stops on a dime. It looks like the
front of his head bursts open and he goes flying backwards. So it looks
like whoever was in that tower through the first shot hit him in the neck,
wasn't enough. The guy under no, get him square in the forehead.
He goes back. Nineteen different people disappear or are murdered. In the
investigation. Medical records disappear that the motorcade was slowed down from twenty miles an
hour to twelve miles an hour. I don't know the exact number. The
mafia. I had told them, we don't have connections to do that.
It's you guys, know. Yeah. In my conversation with them, and
I mean, one guy looked at another guy and all of a sudden,
the boss said, listen, this meeting's over. Let's get the fuck out
of here. It'scrubble. The notes, no notes, no nothing. Wow.
So my opinion is it was a combination of everybody who killed them,
and it was Bobby Kennedy's fault. The blood is on his hands, his
brothers hands, the people who implemented it, implemented it. It's all over
the fucking place. And I understood, even the vice president hated him.
Everybody gave a nod and it was done. That's the way I got it.
So that's what I know about the Kennedy hit, right, Yeah,
that makes perfect sense. That's exactly what the line of thought I had on
that. And also too, Bobby had had personally insulted and gone after Carlos
Marcelo. He shipped them out of the country and him in a jungle.
Yeah, and shipped him and put him in a jungle from prison, taking
him out of prison from them on a plane, dropping him in the middle
of a jungle. Yeah. And this guy survived it. I mean,
he was the hatred he had for the Kennedys from that. I mean,
so you know, everybody say this is crazy. This is how the country
worked back then, and there was different groups working together, and and all
you people who say this is crazy, who listen to this, Look what's
going on now. I don't want to get to now. But now looks
like looks like so many fucking people working together, ugly, ugly shit ten
times worse than these times were in the mafia. Yeah, but we'll get
that to that amount of time. You know a couple of movies that I
recently watched that that I'm curious as to how historically accurate you think they might
be. I don't know. If you saw them, but you know there
was Marge Scorsese, did I think the Irishman right? And this this gets
into Hafa and the unions and Jimmy Hoffa's control of the Unions, and then
how he had to sort of make alliances with organized crime, and then a
lot of people wonder you know, was there Carlos Marcelo and people in Louisiana
involved in the disappearance of Hafa. That's one of the theories out there.
I don't know if you can comment on that, if you have any ideas
on that. Yeah, I know, I know. I know a lot
about the hit. I know I know why he died. I know what
family got the hit. I know what captain got the hit. He had
a guy around him and I can't think of his fucking name. He went
down and did it. Now, you influenced the movie in it the movie,
I don't think. I think they bought a book, The Irishman,
and they went by his book. They did a great job. I wasn't
a fan of the movie, to be honest, even though I like some
of the people who are involved making the movie, but I wasn't a fan
of it. And the only reason it was done well. The only reason
I'm not a fan of it is that the story is not true. Okay,
the irishman did not kill Jimmy Offa, did not put a gun on
his body like they showed him the movie. The fuck would do that?
And then he says he also killed crazy Joe Gallo. I know for a
fact he did not do that. So once you once I'm watching a movie,
it you know, I listen. I'm a movie guy. I like
movies, Godfather, Good Fellas. You don't have to have one hundred percent
truth, but you have to have enough for truth that keeps me interested in
I understand it. And I understand Hollywood. If you do a great job,
even if it's not one hundred percent accurate, I love it. But
when you don't get any accuracy at all, I start to not watch it.
I watched the movie h and it didn't, you know, make me
look good. The guy he won with ton what the fuck is his name?
And I'm on the s side. A great actor did a great job.
It's pretty good, you know. Then it make me look good.
But it was a good movie. The Next Guy movie was made by John
Jr. It was a fucking nightmare. It was ridiculous, there was nothing
was the truth. Horribly done John for Volta playing John Got It was a
joke, it was a sin. I'm sure John Gott he must have been
doing flips in his grave if he knows what was done. I think every
single what are these people who give you know? They they you know,
percentages of how good it is or bad it is or what they But they
make eight critics, eighteenth of the top critics in the world gave it a
zero zero a zero. So I mean they should win an award because I
don't think any movie ever did that. I mean sometimes when it's like that,
when I bet the lottery and I don't hit that all them numbers,
I don't hit one fucking number, I should win something. Who could miss
every fucking number. So anyway, they had to try hard to be that
bad. Yeah, really try hard to be that bad. So this was
And and one more thing, I was in the movie. The producers were
telling me, saymy go to the movies and see it. I didn't want
to see it, and they said, come on, it's gonna ask you
questions about the movie and whatever. So I went to the movie and I
was watching it. There were seven people in the movie theater. Seven.
I thought I was gonna get whacked. I said, nobody's here, Bob,
I'm gonna get whacked. I know it was the subject set up.
So anyway, one aisle behind me and over to the side to the right
a little bit, there was a guy and the girl a husband and wife
or boyfriend and girlfriend and whoever they were, and I'm watching them halfway through
the movie and I was like sick watching this. So the girl tells the
guy, my god, there's guys running around. What's their names? Who
are they? I mean, I don't know what's going on. Yeah,
it's hard to follow. It was added to really bad, It's terrible.
I wanted to turn around and say, sweet on, my name is Salvato
Sanity Bubano, and I don't know what the fuck is going on? Why
should you? But I didn't say nothing. Ied to almost the end that
I just couldn't take them more. At the end, before the ending,
I walked out. I mean, a horrible We watched that recently, uh,
the John Travolta Gotti, and I was I wanted to ask you about
that because the first thing that stood out to me was, And you're obviously
the best person to ask about this is that John Travolta's portrayal of Gotti.
I don't think he smiled once, you know, he was always just scowling.
And every scene is half the movie streaming yelling. Yeah, see the
pot in that when they shoot the guy in the bar, he comes out
of the shallow shadows. He didn't shoot the guy. Yeah, the government
knows that. Every wise guy knows that he didn't shoot the guy. It
wasn't him. It was another guy who shot the guy. So, I
mean, everything in the thing was fake. But they were listening to the
sun who gave him I don't know, a bunch of bullshit. He didn't.
Oh, he wanted to make him look like I don't know. Well,
stick to uh uh, you know, disco danny bullshit movies, you
know, not not gangster movies. Bro, you're not a gangster. We
don't the fuck you are. Go go dance in a fucking disco someplace.
You know. Well, you know, you get the impression when you watch
a lot of interviews, you watch a lot of your content, you watch
a lot of documentaries and this kind of stuff. You know, you guys
are cutting up a lot of the time. You guys are having a good
time in that movie. Nobody's smiling, nobody's cutting up. It's just always
just a scowling and it doesn't And John wasn't like that. John, Listen,
I had my things, my problems with him, but he wasn't like
that. He was a happy, go lucky guy, smile and joke and
tease and whatever. That's what I'm saying. This was a total disrespect to
him. That really was not him. Now, in the other movie he
looked great with I'm unders said this, but this movie just, I mean
completely was not him. It's well, didn't even do the crimes. And
then you're right, this was not his personality. It wasn't him. It
made him look horrible. You the guy that portrayed you. You probably don't
think he portrayed you well either, right, No, listen, I've got
personal connections in Hollywood now a lot. And I'm told first movie, second
movie, they reached the actors and actresses don't do a fuck it to make
up look horrible. The directors and everybody make them look horrible. They wouldn't
pick a good actor to play me, you know. And I understand.
I'm not mad at that. I don't even care. But you know,
if you're gonna do, like if I'm working on some movies, if I
do a movie that he's going to be in it, I want to pick
a good actor to play Joe. Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, you
know. I want to pick Danny DeVito to play John Now next time.
Wait, did you hear what I said, Danny Devita? Oh okay,
so you're joking. Well I thought for a second, I was like,
is he being serious? What? No? No, yeah, that's a
joke. That's definitely a joke. I want to I really would pick a
decent actor to play him. He deserves that. You know, I'm not
happy with him. We had beefs, but I'm not going to, you
know, make him look like he wasn't. You know, I wouldn't do
that. What about uh you know, something that you may have touched on.
But I'm curious about. Another movie I recently watched was Black Mass with
Johnny Dupp, where he's playing uh, Whitey Bulger. And so you know,
during this time of the seventies eighties, what's the relationship of Kozinostra to
the Irish mafia and these kinds of characters like Whitey Bulger, And what did
you think of that film? Did you think it was a good portrayal.
I'm really I mean, they're from they're from where the hell where they were?
Uh? Boston? Boston. Yeah, I didn't have no connection with
them. He was a fucking complete degenerate from what I understood and heard.
I did time with two guys who were in his crew, two the rightful
Man and another one I can't think of his name. The guy actually went
to Harvard University and his crew. I did time with both of them,
and I understood what he was. He was a total fucking degenerate piece of
shit. I'll talk about him at some other time. I'll talk about what
he did. He was going out with a girl, and he was going
with the girl's daughter, and then he would pass her around she was sixteen,
and pass him around to our friends. And then when she got a
little upputy and he was afraid it was going to come out, he killed
him. So that's what That's what white Bulger was. And there's a lot
more, but I don't even want to He was a disgusting I did time
with Frankie Cadillac who was the boss and he was in jail because of him,
Mighty Bulger, and I did time with him, and he was the
boss for a while, and I did time with him as a fucking morlan.
The guy was a moron, I think, I gotta be Did Sicilian
mafia and Irish mafia have a decent relationship but something that doesn't come up very
much. We we did in a couple of places now over there, I
don't know about their relationship. In Boston it was obviously with this jerk,
it was horrible. But in New York there was the West East, and
we had a relationship with them. And then they were eventually hooked up with
the Gambino family that were close with the Gambino family and h that was a
deal that Paul Castellano made with them, right, Is that right? Yeah?
Yeah, Then while Paul was the they sat down, it was a
famous they sat down in Tomaso's restaurant on eighty six Street events in Nurse Brooklyn,
and uh, they came to an agreement with them, and they controlled
some unions. I worked with some of the people, and uh, they
had the iron workers' unions and they had they had a lot of things.
We worked together back and forth. They had a lot of shooters, A
lot of them were loose cannons, so to speak. But we had relationships
with the Irish on and off so and there was a history of them.
There was, you know, different guys got killed, different guys took over.
Then finally a guy named Bosco took over. He was Czechoslovakia, and
I believe I was very very close with them. I did a major case.
We we bribed the Durors and did everything, and uh, John beat
the case and it all blew up. Everybody got pinched eventually. But well,
we had a relationship with them, and I was pretty close with Bosco.
Matter of fact, when he got arrested, thank you so much.
When he got arrested it I was doing time and they wanted me to testify
against him because they wanted to use him and he was in They wanted to
use him against Melosovich in the World Court. And I refused to testify against
him. I didn't want to make a deal with them. Interesting and they
held him about five months. Then they had to let him go and he
was out. Matter of fact, there was a writer who went and go
meet him in wherever he was Bosnia, and he did an interview with him.
I got it in the magazine. The guy wrote a whole article about
him and booked him about me and he wrote the article I got the magazine
that was in. So, yeah, we had relationships different people, different
groups, different groups. We had, you know, relationships with Black Mafia.
There was different people at different times who were close with the mafia,
some for drug reasons and some for other reasons. We had some relationships with
Mexican mafias and Russian mafias. I was close with some people who were in
the Russian mafia. Michael Franchise was doing some stuff with guys in the Russian
mafia, the oil and gas and stuff like that. He was well known
for that. So we were hooked up with a lot of different mafias.
We always had somebody had relationships with the Jews. We always had some sort
of a friendship or relationship or whatever. But they kind of advanced the Jews
in this country and they went on and pulled away from crime. Like you
know they were during Lucky Lucian In those days, they were really head deep.
Maya Lansky and may Orlansky and Lucky were really close and they were murder
incorporated was old Jews. The shooters were old Jews. They weren't even Italian
guys that were Jews. So we've been after that, they more or less
pulled away and and uh did different things, but there was always friendships and
relationships and people knew somebody or something you had mentioned next the you know,
from the time of the nineteen fifties to the seventies, especially that a lot
of corruption you know, got exposed in this period on the part of the
government. And what's ironic, I think is that you know, when we
watch movies, who watch Hollywood, we think, oh, the you know,
the mafia is the bad guys. They're doing this, they're doing that.
But then it turns out that the people really running the country, you
know, the shadow government, this kind of stuff, that are pushing for
a global order. And you know what we've seen in the last few years,
all the crackdowns, the lockdown, all this crazy stuff. That's the
real organized crime. That's that's who's really you know, trying to bring in
something. I think that's bad news. So do you want to get into
some of the present day topics, Well, I'm gonna do that when we
talk about our you know station, if you're going to come on with me
and that. But I will say one or two things. I say this
to my crew, I say this to everybody. You know I'm involved in.
I didn't kill nineteen people. I'm involved in nineteen murders. And uh.
Some people say, oh my god. Now I look at what they're
doing now. They're allowing drugs to come into this country. There's no question
about open borders, just allowing it. They know it's bad. They know
what's happening. There's one hundred thousand deaths, one hundred thousand deaths from right.
So if you think I'm a badass bro, I'm not a I'm not
a boy scout. Compared to them, I'm a boy scout. They they
allowed one hundred thousand of these lives to die. Maybe we couldn't have stopped
more. But I bet you if they would have put an effort in,
we could have stopped fifty safety thousand of them to die. They don't give
a fuck. That's an ugly mafia. How was I think had a little
bit of heart and soul, some rhythms, Some dealt with other nationalities.
We cared about certain people certain times. Not everybody in the mafia, no,
but some of us did. These people don't give a fuck about nothing.
So when we talk about the news and what's going on, I would
love to just uncover that analyze it between me, you and Anna and I
talk about it, and people I don't understand how they're not waking up and
doing things. I mean, I just watched the video of a woman in
San Francisco on the floor. Young woman gave birth, probably drugged up.
The baby came out of her and her face, the baby's face is laying
on the cement. The smith is all dirty. It looks like a shithold
in this thing, and the baby's laying on the floor. What really got
me is the camera backed up. There's some good, good guy there trying
to help her, and he's got my phone, so I assume he's talking
to the cops and he's a decent guy trying to help her. The other
guy standing over haul, he's got slipp is on and the camera goes up
and you look at him, he looks like a fucking like a zombie.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this is what's walking around the streets
in San Francisco. Now they want to get this fun. They had a
shot to get rid of Newsom. Do they they go to an election,
they'll overwhelmingly re elect him. What the fuck are they thinking? Even if
you're a Democrat, you would turn around and say, yeah, I'm a
Demo, I voted for him, but what he's done to California. Fuck
this guy. I'm gonna I'll go vote for anybody else bought him, and
not a Democrat. I'll vote for a Republican or independent. I don't give
a shit who it is, but I'll never vote for this guy again.
You're living in it, don't you see it? Yeah? I don't know
how they're doing. This is beyond me. So this is when we talk
on the news station. I would love to talk about things like this,
and I don't want you to. I'm not going to convince you to vote
Republican. I'm going to say because there's Republicans I don't like either a lot
of them. But I want to say, when you see somebody's fucking bed,
don't say I vote for him because I'm a Democrat. No, what
you give a fuck what you are. You're a human being. You have
a husband or wife, for children, and grandchildren and whatever. Switch switch
sides, get rid of them and vote for somebody else. Don't vote in
the same anything that's destroying your city over and over again. So uh so,
I don't want to talk to Republicans or independence. I want to talk
to Democrats. I know, use people are Democrats. I know you're walking
around with a bad label because of what they're doing, but you're not bad
people. But it's up to you. If you don't vote them the fuck
out, then they're there. Don't take you, sir. I'm a Democrats,
So I'm going to vote Democrat. No we if they're doing it and
you see it, vote for somebody else. That's what the country is about
anyway, don't be a speaker. Yeah, speaking of that, do you
have any thoughts on the background, because you've done a few videos where you
talked about Trump and maybe one time there was a thought that y'all might try
to shake down Trump and he was surrounded by people and then it turns into,
you know, something that didn't didn't end up happening. What do you
think about the whole I'm phenomena. You have any takes on that? Is
that something you want to say? For later. We can save it for
later, but I will I will say for this. I'm not a Trump
loyalist or supporter or something like that, but I will say this. If
I'm gonna vote for someone, I don't care if the guy is the ugliest
bastard in the world, and this guy looks like Brad Pitt, I'm not
gonna vote for your looks or if I like you as a person, I'm
gonna look at what you do. You might be the best looking guy in
the world, talk real nice, but everything you do fucking turns the ship.
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna vote for you, simple as that.
So what I'm gonna say about Trump is that I'm not a Trump loyalist
or supporter or nothing. He's not gonna do nothing for me way or another.
But I analyze the whole presidency under him, and he made this country
ten times better. We were going in the right direction. The world had
respect for us in common sense. I'm not an extremely educated guy like you
with a lot of other people out there, but I look at it now,
even without a fucking Harvard degree, I look at it and I say,
well, this is fifty times fucking worse than this. Yeah. So
if I don't like Trump personally, I don't want to have a drink with
him. I don't want to be with a broad me and him and abroad
having to treat him. No, I don't want that either. I don't
want to be around him. Okay, but the way he runs the country,
I'm with him, bro, I'm on it. So I would vote
for him. Now I'm a convicted follow my camp both, so I might
as well shut up. But if I could vote, I would vote for
him. He showed me results. Maybe you don't like the way he talks.
And you know, I always said, if Trump would have changed two
words in his vocabulary, he might be the president of the United States.
So if he's listening and I'm going to tell him those two words, get
rid of the word I and me. I did this. It was me.
I did this. It was me. Get rid of those two fucking
words and change them to we and us. Yeah, and people will love
you. It's a good idea. Yeah, Really honored. It's amazing,
Probably one of the wildest best interviews I've done. Really thankful to be here
with the with Sammy the Bulgravano. One. One thing I'm really looking forward
to talking about is how they want to push this global unified digital currency,
a new order globalization. I want to talk about some of the wild events
that have happened in the past few years. Why are they trying to kill
off livestock, trying to ban meat? You know, I just did a
Tucker Carlson special and in that special, they were highlighting how they want to
ban farming in various European countries. They probably want to push that here.
Looking forward to talking about maybe the what was going on with the Trump indictment,
whistle blowers, in terms of Obama Biden, crime families, the real
big crime families that are out there, Mike McCormick, stenographer, this kind
of stuff. Maybe the possibility of World War three, the Fourth Industrial Revolution,
Klaus Schwab, Davos, all those guys in the future of AI.
Where's all this going. I'm looking forward to getting Sammy's taken all this well.
I got a surprise the answer feel I know about all of that stuff,
and a lot of that stuff, I'll tell you why. I'm not
trying to break one win gangsters. We did a lot of these things that
they're doing on a very small scale. Yeah, we took a piece,
a little bite, like a bird took a little bite of the pie and
flew away. These motherfuckers want to eat the entire pie. Yeah, But
I see what they're doing. And it's not only me, Because Michael Frenchs
became very friendly with me. I talked to him and he feels the same
way. He sees it too. He was more of a racketeer business guy
in the life, and he's got a very strong opinion. So maybe if
we put on a show, maybe we'll have him on our show every once
in a while. But he sees it too. There's a lot of gangsters.
They see it. It's clear as a bell to them because they've done
it. So I'm going to know a lot of those answers, and I
have a lot of some of those answer questions. I have questions to you
about, you know, what would this do? Why is this? I
know why it's happening, it's how it's happening. The effect of what's going
to happen, and what's going to happen to the people, my daughter,
my son, my grandchildren. That's a big concern for me. I'm seventy
eight, I'm a big boy, I got big shoulders. I could fight
back, but I look at them and I look at, you know,
some of the people around me. I got this woman around me, an
Arab woman. I mean, she's got two beautiful kids. She's hustling to
hustling to make a living, to help them to do things, and we're
crushing the fucking shit out of this country. I look at her, and
sometimes she's talking, she's so proud. I say to myself, I don't
tell her this. Those kids ain't got a shot. They ain't got a
fucking shot, not the way it's going, not because they don't have brains
and looks and every talent. But what they're doing to this country, I
don't know. If there's gonna be an opportunity. Who the fuck knows.
And I'm not just talking about her kids. I'm talking about my grandchildren and
everything. Anybody else. Anna's got a son, a beautiful son who's big
boy and trying to live a life. Young boy. You know it's it's
I would appreciate these countries, and this is why I want to have this
show with you, with myself, and we discussed these things, and maybe
we can reach some people and help them. I get so many people who
were telling me I did some stories about drugs, thanking me. I'm three
months, so I'm eight months, sob I appreciate Sammy. I was on
a buy listening to you. I stopped and I'm eight months, so I
love it. So hopefully that with this news stations, Mafia News Station,
is that we reach people, help people and make people understand what's going on
around us and that they better talk up now otherwise when they look at their
kids for four years from now, five years from now, I don't know
what they're going to tell them, and you talk up? Why didn't you
stop it? One? Didn't you try to stop it? Yeah? I'm
a Democrat. Is that what you're gonna say? And that's why I voted
that way, And that's what you're gonna tell your kid. I had no
more tentative, That's what I am. Yeah, And if I would wouldn't
want to hear that from my mother and my father, and I ain't know.
My father was a grease ball off the boat tying and my mother too.
And I'll tell you one thing about grease balls. It's a little bit
of a slurg word. But Italian people we use it. They gave a
fuck about their kids. You couldn't touch their kids. They were like lions
and we were like their little cubs. They couldn't talk English right, they
couldn't do a lot of things right. But they worked and they slaved for
you. And they you come near them, they would be I'm on,
they're ready to rip you apart. Are we not doing that anymore? Do
we not care about our kids? Our grandchildre see it all fake? When
you go over, you pick the kid up and give him a kiss,
another run away and not care. No, when you pick the kid up
and you hold them and you jump them up and down and you kiss them
on the cheek, put him down gently and say you have no future Because
I'm not going to do anything to help you say that. At least have
the fucking bulls to say that to a fucking three or five year old who
don't understand what you're talking about anyway. So you go with that, all
right, Jay, listen, if we can get together, it would be
my pleasure to get together. And you guys who are listening, this is
Jay and I'm high on him. I am asking him publicly to be on
the show to Bullpen and partner up with us and help show the people and
help the people. I think that's him, you know, to the core.
So you guys who are listening to this and see this, send me
back comments, you know, so if they're bad comments, I'll take them
out, you know, Jay taking them out is not a good thing for
mafia guy tells you he's taken out, So don't smile about that. Take
other comments, yeah no, not the copts so anyway, but if you
like them, you know, hopefully I can show them and we can do
something together, and this will be a thing. There's twofold one is a
mafia news station, the Bullpen, and I'm very serious. I'm bent on
him, and I already have a few other people. We're gonna do the
history of the Mafia, and you guys are gonna love this more than anything.
We're gonna go back to the twelfth century, where it started, where
it began, why it happened, when it came here, where it went,
and everything until current times. It's gonna be long, but it's gonna
be something. You guys, if you loved my podcast and listen views,
I know you loved it. We had as of today I think ninety five
million, three hundred and something thousand views and we have five hundred and fifty
thousand subscribes. So I know you loved the podcast, and this is going
to be even better because you're going to hit a whole history of it,
how it evolved, like he's talking about the Jews and the CIA and different
countries and how it really worked behind the scenes and with each other in deals
and stuff, whether it was the government, the CIA, the mafia,
the Jewish Defrench League, the Black Mafia, or whatever groups there are,
at some time or another that we were entangled. And that's how this country
became the greatest country in the world. And now we got liberal elites who
are untangled undo everything that was great that was done and make it just I
don't know what they're gonna but it's I don't know what it will be,
but I think we'll untangle it and at least we'll tell you what it's gonna
be or what it looks like it's gonna be. So that's about it.
Jay, you want to say something, just thanks for having me, and
uh, yeah, it's great to be here. A great conversation. So
yeah, I'm looking forward to it okay, great, all right, So
let me end up with my little thing for my Mexican buddies. Adios,
motherfuckers, Bye bye,