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Hey, guys. Uh, I
just wanted to introduce you to someone that

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I'm talking to. He does.
He's a researcher, very intelligent guy.

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I got to know him, I
got to like him. I'm gonna do

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the Bullpen. It's a news channel. He's doing research for me, and

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I really actually want him on the
show with me. It's about, you

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know, the news, what's going
on in the country, what's going on

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in the world. He's very,
very knowledgeable, he's very smart. I

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saw him do his own speaking and
engagements, and I'm captured by his intelligence

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and uh and everything about him.
He's also doing research on history in a

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mafia. And this is his name, is Jay Dwyer sitting in his office

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over there in front of his books
and little nerdy. He loves books and

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loves stuff like that. He's not
a nerd nerd, but he loves that

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kind of stuff and it's fits right
into my situation. So this is Jay

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Dwyer. Thank you, Sam.
You honored to be here. Yeah.

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I grew up with a navy dad
and a mom that was an editor and

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a librarian, so I just grew
up around a lot of books. And

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actually I thank her for that.
So you know, that's why we got

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me sitting in here in my library, just because I kind of stumbled into

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all this stuff accidentally. You know, I grew up watching a lot of

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Mafia movies and watching movies that talk
about your life, movies that talk about

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stories around figures that you knew and
that you interacted with. So it's just

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kind of surreal to be here talking
to you. But thank you so much,

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glad to be here and looking forward
to get into whatever you want to

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talk about. And maybe I can
ask you some good questions too. Yes,

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well we talked once before. Now
I go back. I'm born in

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nineteen forty five. My mentor,
you know, into the Mafia was Tato

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Aurello. Actual, you know,
he was the mentor now. He was

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thirty one years older than me,
So if he was alive right now,

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he would be one hundred and nine
years old. So when I would sit

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back and listen to him, and
he would mentor me and talk about his

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life growing up, talked about people
like Lucky Luciano, Vito Genovis, al

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Campone, on and on on.
So I didn't live in that era,

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but I lived next to Tato for
years, side by side. I heard

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old the stories, so I do
have a lot of knowledge about those things,

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the hookups with the Church and the
World War Two. I was just

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born in forty five. It was
the end of the war, but I

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heard about a lot of things that
went on from people who were in it.

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A lot of mafiosos were actually in
that war. They fought. There

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was things I know about the hook
ups with the Church and jays. Yeah,

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very knowledgeable a lot of that stuff. Yeah. So a little bit

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about me. My background is I
did academic studies relating to psychological warfare and

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the Cold War. I have a
background of I was Roman Cali for many,

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many years, and then I kind
of got tired of that, wasn't

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very really interested in it anymore.
But I got a lot into the history.

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So I got deep into the relationship
between the Church, as you said,

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and other entities, not just the
history of the mafia connecting with the

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church, but also intelligence agencies how
they played into a lot of stuff,

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particularly in you know, World War
two. Uh So it's really a side

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interest that that I started looking into
maybe four or five years ago, and

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I got deeper and deeper into it
because you start to realize that, uh,

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these connections run really deep and they
overlap so well. My first two

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books they were on Hollywood. So
I wrote a couple of books on the

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history of Hollywood and the connections between
Hollywood and various uh you know, factions

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and groups u and how that also
overlaps with both the mafia and intelligence agencies.

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So that's what I what I cover
most of the time. During the

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week, I do a lot of
stuff with Alex Jones, I do his

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Fourth Hour, that kind of stuff, and then I do a lot of

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debates, and you know, we
do comedic stuff. We do a whole

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bevy of things. But so my
introduction came through a lot of the history

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of the church, and then I
realized that I'm gonna have to get deeper

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into the history of specifically the Sicilian
mafia. And my understanding is that that

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goes back to even the Renaissance area
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Medici's, you know, this period
when there was a lot of movements for

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Sicilian independence. And so my understanding
is that the history of the mafia is

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that it was a lot of guys
that wanted to kind of be local militia

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figures there were people who were local
figures protecting from invaders, you know,

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if anybody tried to invade Sicily,
So you kind of needed a local militia,

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and over time this developed into gangs
that developed into different freedom fighters.

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At one point, I think when
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a lot of the Maviozzi went and
fought for independence, specifically of Sicily.

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And so when you had people coming
over to America, it just seemed natural

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that people from the old country would
want to have people setting up in the

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new country. And if you can't
really trust the police force when you come

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to a new country, there's not
much you can do. They might already

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be co opted. So people people
turned to you know, local protectorates,

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right, is that correct? Yes? Absolutely. You know when it started,

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the mafia started in Sicily and Sicily
only and it spread to the rest

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of Italy. But it wasn't the
mafia. It was clans. It was

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you know, local invaders came in
and to protect their farms. They were

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farmers and they you know, they
had a very small police force there,

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so they ran to people and it
was like a clan. It was a

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family, uncles, cousins, brothers. Whatever belonged to this clan, and

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the neighbors in these small villages were
just like family to them. So when

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they had their meetings, the klan
got together, the women cooked, they

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went on the side. The men
talked and they talked about their problems and

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how to protect the people from these
invaders or different things from government. They

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didn't trust the government, that didn't
trust the police. Police. Sports was

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very very small in Sicily, and
actually they got favors from the mafia.

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But eventually that's what it became.
It became the mafia and mafioso's and they

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became you know, they went to
the elites. They had farms and they

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shook them down for protection. Now
we know it through the movies. They

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go in, they bullied them,
they shake them down. They didn't do

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that. They did they made them
get robbed. So the people who owned

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those farms, cow farms or whatever
it was would go to the head of

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the klan or the head mafioso and
tell him, you know, I need

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your protection, and he would charge
them, but he didn't put it in

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his pocket and walk away. He
built schools, hospitals, he helped the

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people, so he was beloved by
the people. It wasn't like you know

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it turned out years later and if
somebody like there was stories that I heard

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that someone's daughter was raped and they
went to the head guy, let's call

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him Joseppe. They went to Joseppe
and he said, who did it?

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And there was two military men who
raped this guy's daughter. And he got

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the clan together and they killed him. Now the town knew, they wanted

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the town to say who killed them. They would never give it up,

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no matter what, because they did
that to protect their people, their daughters,

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their wives, people like that,
so they loved them. They then

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they wouldn't give them up no matter
what the court was. And I heard

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a couple of stories that are a
little crazy, but I wouldn't doubt it.

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And and that's how it became.
And it wasn't a shakedown where he

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just got money like you see in
the movies. He'd go in, he

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got that money. He was shaking
them down for the people. It benefited

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the whole town, the whole area. And then he started resolving beefs within

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different families, arguments, husbands and
wives. He would sit down and you

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would go to him, and he
became a don and you went to him

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and he resolved problems, whether it
be a marital problem, a town,

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another town, the police, the
government. He was there for you.

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And when it got to the wars, the mafia hated Bascism, hated it

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with a passion. They always had
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and there's so many stories with the
Church and them, And you know,

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going back to the time, I
heard tons of story about Mussolini, who

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became the leader, and he eventually
was very close with Hitler. He made

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a deal with Hitler right then.
I heard stories that I'm not sure if

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it was Propius to twelfth or the
thirteen had a close relationship with Hitler as

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well. Matter of fact, I
heard this and I even read this,

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is that when Hitler had some sort
of a party, he made the cardinals

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or bishops, whatever it is,
go to him, congratulate him on his

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success, and try to keep a
real close relationship with him. Yeah,

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so you know, you would know
better than me because you have this research

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ability to go back into those areas. I've heard secondhand stories, but together

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if they're true, you know,
I would love to talk about all of

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those things. I think my understanding
is Mussolini. When he came to power,

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he saw the existing Maviiosi as a
threat. So he saw that as

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a threat to you know, his
running Italy, and so he basically booted

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them out for a period. So
this caused a lot of animosity, like

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you said. But and prior to
that, my understanding was that the Church

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was really in Italy was very pro
mabiozi. They thought that they were good

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at, you know, defending things, as you said, from invaders,

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this kind of stuff. So they
had a pro mabiosi attitude. But then

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there was a pressure that was put
on Pious at twelve at certain times to

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either side with the CIA in the
West first THESS and the CIA, or

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was he going to make alliances and
deals with Hitler. So he tried,

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i think for a while to play
both sides. Because one figure that plays

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a big role in this was the
CI director William Colby, because during the

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Cold War Colby was the first to
go and set up a relationship with Pious

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the twelfth for the CIA right.
And so that becomes the basis of this

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the famous story probably everybody has heard
about with the Vatican Bank and how the

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Vatican Bank starts to be this kind
of money laundering operation. So so I

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think that that Pies twelfth was trying
to play both sides because he wasn't they

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you know, he wasn't really sure
who was going to win World War two,

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so he probably hedged his bets and
then when it looked like the Access

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Powers were not going to win,
he decided to make deals with you know,

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the West, and that led to
a lot of uh, in my

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view, a lot of problems for
the Vatican in the coming decades because they

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were now under new masters. I'm
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of the Western intelligence structure, but
that same Western intelligence structure had done the

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same move with the mafia, both
in the US and in Sicily, making

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alliances. Prior to that, the
OSS and the Navy. The Navy had

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recruited I think Don Genovise to do
it to be a translator. So right

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before, right before and during World
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translate Sicilian, and so I think
Don Genovis was recruited to do translation.

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And then Lucky Luciano was cruited by
the Navy precisely because of Mussolini. They

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wanted some intel on Mussolini, and
they had a plan in case they could

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use the mafia for a coup.
There was there were there were two different

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attempts at a coup where the Mafiozi
would have been put in leadership roles had

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those coups been successful. There was
a plan for a coup in the forties,

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I think, and then another plan
for a coup in the seventies in

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Italy. I'm not a not an
Italian historian. I'm just going to remember

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on this, but I don't think
either of those were successful, but they

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were plans that were there, and
they had the idea would have been that

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had those coups been successful against Mussolini
and then second and then later against the

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Communists, because the Communists started having
a lot of influence in Italy. And

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that was also part of the reason
why after Pious the twelfth and the popes

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after him, you know, they
wanted more of an alliance with the West

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because there was this fear that Communism
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Yeah, I mean that that all
makes sense to me. I mean in

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most of the stuff that I've heard, Like I said, tru Tato,

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I go back one hundred years maybe
not one hundred years, but I go

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back quite a bit, and I've
heard all of these stories told to me

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and stuff like that. I mean, Lucky Luciano had you know, when

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he got arrested. He got arrested
and he was sentenced to forty five years

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in prison for his war efforts.
They released him early, let him out

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and said, but you have to
go back to Sicily, you can't stay

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here. They did that. Now, what was his war efforts? His

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war efforts is they hated fascism.
They hated Mussolini for the relationship with Hitler

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and for the way he treated the
mafia and Sicily, the Sicilians. So

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they opened up the peers, not
only in the United States, but they

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opened up the peers in Italy so
the troops could come in, sneak into

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the country and defeat Maussolini and Hitler. And for those war efforts, which

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he did, he was released.
So I know all of that for a

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fact. There's all a fact with
that. He was working with the CIA

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and the United States just cut his
sentence off when the war was over,

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goodbye, good luck, have a
great life, and he left. So

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yes, those names, Bido Genovich, Lucky Luciano. Yes, they were

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involved with the CIA, with the
Italians, the people who hated fascism,

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but Massolini was all power and it
was hard to stop him. He was

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controlling the military, he was controlling
everything. So yeah, there's a lot

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of truth to all of that.
You know, I heard stories about during

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the war there was a lot of
Italians for some reason and had relationships with

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a lot of Jews. We also
know about Lucky Luciano with Maya Lansky.

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There was a lot of Jews and
Italians that had good relationships. And I

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understood this story. Todt Or he
told me once that in Why when Hitler

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was killing the Jews left and right, what the Italian mafia did was try

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to smuggle a lot of them out, especially the kids. They would get

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them out, they would dress them
up like little Talian boys or girls,

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put them on ships like their Italians
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And they were having trouble and difficulty
with that whole process. Then they

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went to the church. The church
refused to help and there was a split

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between the mafia and the church for
a while. Now. I'm not sure

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what you know, hope was there, but it was probably proprius to twelfth

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and so, you know, there
were so many stories like that. Then

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you wonder why, you know,
why did the Italian mafia have such a

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great relationship with the Jews. It
happened in the war. They were saving

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them. They really liked each other
a lot, and they were working together.

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And that's how Maya Lanski And you
know, there's a whole shipload,

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a whole boatload of Jews that were
close with the mafia from time to time

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the whole time, even during the
Joe Colombo days before he was killed,

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there was relationships. I remember that
he did these speeches for the Italian American

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League, and I remember one day
I was there the first time he gave

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the speeches, not the second time
when he got shot. But there was

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the Jewish Defense League. The head
of the Jewish Defense League was on the

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podium giving speeches and backing Joe Colombo
and the Italians. So there was a

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very very strong relationship between the Jews
and the Italians for a very very long

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time. My neighborhood growing up in
bets and Hurst, Brooklyn, was predominantly

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all Italian and Jews. I lived
in a house on both sides of us.

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Both houses were Jews, and my
father had a close relationship, so

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the Italian seemed to have that relationship
for a very long time. It stayed

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there and went away. It stayed, but you know, especially during the

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war, so a lot of these
things happened. That's where I'm a little

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confused. You go back to Papayus
the twelfth. I mean, you know,

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I only have hearsay about what went
on, but I know that title.

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Well, people like that who talk
to me had no reason to lie.

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We were just reminiscing, talking about
He would ask me about my childhood

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growing up, and in that conversation
he talked about his own childhood growing up

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and where they came from. He
came from Sicily and and people that they

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knew. You know, my father
would do that. Tadda would do that,

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So my grandfather would do that a
little bit. So, you know,

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I go back quite a bit hearing
the stories firsthand, and they're just

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stories. It's not made up.
It's not for a movie, it's not

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for a book. This was just
conversation. So they were beautiful conversations.

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When I look at it now,
what they're talking about, I feel like

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I'm part of history, right.
Yeah. No, it's great to talk

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to you because, you know,
what you're saying really kind of backs up

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a lot of the you know,
the research that you just read it in

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books, but you know, to
hear it from somebody who's talked to the

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actual people and been one of the
people in it, right, that's that's

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a whole other level of kind of
a confirmation of you know that the research

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is right. But you talked about
one of the things you wanted to get

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into was the history of the ceremony, right, so being made the symbolism

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of the origins of that ritual.
You know, I remember it came out

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I think in the seventies when one
of the first people who had been arrested

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when he flipped the way back in
the seventies, maybe even the sixties,

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but you know, he had talked
about the America, he talked about the

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ritual, and nobody had really talked
about it until, you know, until

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this time, and then it came
out and then oh yeah, so it

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turns out there's this kind of a
symbolic, quasi religious ceremony. Would you

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go into some of that, because
in my my understanding is and and I

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don't know a whole lot about it
other than what's out there in the public

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purview. Is just that you kind
of had an idea of an oath that

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that was binding on you, and
then you you have symbolic religious elements with

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the saint card, right, and
you prick your finger, and then it's

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a sort of an oath that's made
correct, right right. The guy,

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one of the first guys, I
think he sat in front of a committee,

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who this you know about the oath? I can't think of his name

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right this second? What's his name? The first guy who cooperated in front

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of us. I can't think his
name either, But yeah, I know

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you're talking about. That's what I
was trying to think of. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm it'll come to me
as i'm talking. A matter of fact,

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they gave him after he cooperated,
they put him in a prison.

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The Pollacchi and Vallacci turned around in
a prison. They gave him. They

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called the Vallacci suite. That a
crazy thing about the Vallacci and well,

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Ballacchi gave up the whole thing,
the ceremony. What it was about what

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happened in uh in uh in Italy. I mean he really was very,

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very, very knowledgeable. He was
a made guy. Uh And when I

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cooperated. I was with the government
for quite a while in Quantico in different

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places, and when I was done, they wanted to put me somewhere to

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do time, and they told me
they were going to put me in the

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Volacchi suite. So I said,
okay. It was in Texas, in

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a prison in Texas. When I
got in, there was a big steel

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door. You walk in the front
door, and right to the right,

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right on the side, there was
another big steel door. They opened it

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up with a long staircase going straight
up, so it's away from the it's

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in the prison, but it's away
from everybody. And I walked up there

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and went in and there was three
cells. That was the Volacci suite.

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Right across from the three cells was
a huge fucking shower and a thing where

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you could hang your clothes, and
a little bit of a closet there for

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towels and whatever. Then when you
came out, it was a station for

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a guard to sit there. And
you went in it was a big,

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big living room type of thing.
It had some windows but with screens on

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the locked and had a TV in
their refrigerator in their regular stove, couch

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chairs and tables, the whole nine
yards. You didn't eat the prison food.

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What they did is they talked to
me, what do you like to

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eat? And I'd give him a
whole list of food, and they just

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went out and bought it, brought
it back. And this was supposed to

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be heaven. Well, guy will
cooperated and safe as hell. You went

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up on the ladder and I went
up to the roof and there was some

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workout equipment, bikes, some bullshit
stuff that you could work out on the

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roof, so you could go do
that. You could do all these things.

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I think I was in that about
and it was weird because I knew

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the story of Alacchi. Yeah.
So when I went to bed the first

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or second night, I'm saying,
there was the three cells. I don't

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know what cell he was in.
Nobody was in the other cells, and

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the same with him. And I
laid down into bed and I thought,

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my god, I'm laying in Valachi's
bed. He cooperated, I cooperated.

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I didn't like it. So anyway, I got back and I called a

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government and I told him get me
the fuck out of here. I don't

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want to be in here. Why
say, I mean it's safe. You

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a get whatever food you want.
We're taking care of you one hundred percent.

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Yeah, I don't like it.
Put me in prison, put me

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back with people. If you leave
me in here. The God is petrified

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of me, I said, because
he asked me questions, you know who

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are you? So I said,
well, do you want to know for?

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He said, well, you must
be pretty famous for them doing this.

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He had no idea who I was, and I was breaking chops.

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I'm always a ball breaker, and
I told him I'm Jeffrey Dahma. The

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fucking guy was like what And then
then he found out he must have read

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out. He didn't want to be
at the same fucking place with me.

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So anyway, then he knew I
would send me the boat. And you

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know, he laughed a little bit, but I told him, listen,

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you're not a bad guy. I
just can't stay with you forever. There's

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no way I could just sit in
this room with you, would you know?

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I know I could eat whatever I
want. I was ordering ice cream

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every fucking thing. They would give
me whatever I want. I said,

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I don't want nothing. I just
want to be with people. Like myself

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criminals. They had witness units.
Put me in a unit. I don't

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care what you want to do with
me. I need other people with me.

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I told that to the government,
to the God because I didn't want

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to disrespect him. I didn't want
him to think I didn't like him or

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I didn't want to be there.
And I told the same thing to the

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government and they moved me. So
this goes back to him and that whole

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thing, and that's who Vallacchi was
the first guy to disclose the whole thing.

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Now a ceremony. It took off
a religious content. For this reason,

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is going back, like we were
just talking, the mafia always had

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a close relationship with the Catholic religion. And you know, even in Brooklyn,

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you past guys who were made guys, you'd see the Madonna or the

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Mother or all the statues in their
yards. They went to church, they

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fought in the wars. They had
this religious belief with them. So with

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the oath, I think took on
this religious thing that we're all Catholics,

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we're all Italian, we're all in
the mafia. And then when they take

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this oath, they try to make
it so strong and I'm going to give

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you what it is. They tell
you today. You're born. Forget your

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past, whatever it was, the
rebirth. They're born as of today,

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and this becomes number one in your
life. It's above God, country,

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and family. Now they're just saying
that. They don't really mean that.

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They just want you to understand how
powerful it is. If you can believe

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like that, nobody's going to ask
you. They tell you, if you're

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in a hospital where your son is
dying and the boss sends you, you

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leave them and come. Now,
that's a rule, but nobody's ever going

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to ask you to do that.
If you're in a hospital with your kid,

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nobody's going to call you out of
that hospital. Oh, let's say

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it's an extreme emergency and nobody's going
to stop you from loving and praying to

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God. Sure, but if you
take that oath to that degree and you're

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willing to that, you're willing to
die for God in Austraa. You're willing

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to kill for Gozen austra for the
good of this secret society they want you

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to. They want to drum that
into you one hundred percent, so you

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will do the most outlandish things.
I didn't hit the Johnny Keys thing,

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and everybody and his mother said just
said, I mean, you're gonna die.

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This is insane. I walked into
to a war in Philadelphia with this

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Johnny Keys. I can't discuss it
too much because I'm doing a movie about

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it, so but it was so
insane, but I did it anyway.

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Toto was my mentor. He's the
guy who proposed me to come and made

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guy. He was my godfather.
The post of the family is my father.

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The second time I went to meet
Johnny Keys, everybody was saying no.

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He hugged me, kiss me.
When we broke the kissy had tears

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coming down his eyes and he's a
real tough guy, and it shruck me.

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I never saw him cry. I
never saw anything like that. But

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I walked away. I said,
he doesn't think I'm gonna make it.

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He thinks I'm gonna die. And
then I felt proud of him because he

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loved me. That's why he was
crying and he thought I was going to

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die. But yet, because an
usher came first, I had to do

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what I had to do. And
if it meant that I was going to

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lose my life in the process,
he wasn't okay with it. It bothered

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him, but he wouldn't stop it. And that's loyalty that goes in Ustra.

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That's beyond words. It goes back
to the oath. This thing comes

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first beyond God, country and your
family. I was his family because an

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Ushra was first, so you know, and that's what that oath came.

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And that the saint. When they
burned this saint, it's burning in your

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hand and you're juggling it back and
thoughts or your hand don't burn. It

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burns anyway, but a lot less. And when they're done, you're repeating

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the oath with him, and then
you crush it and the ashes go into

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the airs ray and he says,
if you betray the oath, may your

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soul burn in hell like the saint
burnt in your hand. So it's so

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strong, the oath. It's that
not only part of your heritage, it's

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part of your religion believes. So
if you believe in God, you believe

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in your background, who you are, you're Italian, or you believe goes

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in Austra, you believe in this
secret society, you're willing to die for

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it, go to prison for it, whatever it may be, so they

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instill that in you, and most
people take that very serious. It fell

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apart in me. As we'll get
into that later, we'll go to why

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there's so many different reasons, but
before that, we're talking literally about the

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history of it, so we'll stay
with that a little bit and any other

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questions. Yeah, so I was
thinking, you know, when you were

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talking about describing this, it sounds
like it's got elements of, as you

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said, the Catholic with you know, Catholicism with the saint. And it

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also sounds like an element of secret
society, which I've heard you, you

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know, compare this to a kind
of a secret society. Maybe maybe not

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identical to other secret societies like Freemasonry, but maybe there's elements of things that

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are similar to it that are used
and brought in. And it also seems

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like, you know, the brotherhood
element also seems like the family clan element.

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And there's also the blood element with
the blood oath. And is that

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because there's the history of it being
clans in the sense of you know,

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one hundred percent pure Sicilian bloodline,
and that's all part of it too,

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right to create that binding effect,
right, Yes, Yes, it goes

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back and when they teach you you're
going back in history. You're what you're

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doing is walking forward in the future, but you're walking in people's footsteps from

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way back where they started and what
it was. So you're having your emotional

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00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:29,960
being is thinking, I'm part of
this whole history. It's like Illuminati and

407
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,880
all of these different groups. Now
they have different rules, different regulations,

408
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,240
but they have these secret societies.
Some of them come out of colleges and

409
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:45,000
universities, some of them come out
of different places. They have similar beliefs,

410
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:52,880
but not totally. Some of them
go into devil worship and weird fucking

411
00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,720
places that that that we didn't.
We went more into religious beliefs along with

412
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:07,279
our history, our background. That's
what blended us. These other ones have

413
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,160
different type of them. I note
you know some of them. I had

414
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:17,000
my brother in Lo Angelo, I
believe was he was an engineer. He

415
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,240
was a legitimate guy. He was
an engineer and he worked in buildings and

416
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,519
he got a promotion to a job
one time, a job offer, and

417
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:32,960
these people owned about five big Manhattan
hotels and they wanted him to be their

418
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,599
engineer and they interviewed him. It
was brilliant. I mean, this guy

419
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,519
here. As a hobby, he
would build a television in his house,

420
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,720
putting things together, the burning wires, made his own television. What the

421
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,400
fuck does that, you know?
But anyway, he was into all of

422
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,720
that stuff and they offered him this
job and it was a big rais,

423
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:02,000
big opportunity. I remember I'm at
home talking to my sister. My sister

424
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:07,679
talked to me about it. This
is my oldest sister. And the problem

425
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:15,199
was is that they were Freemasons who
owned this, these buildings, and they

426
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,239
wanted their head engineer to be a
Freemason. And that was the problem.

427
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,920
He was talking to my sister that
they're not, you know, Freemasons,

428
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,639
they're Catholics, that they don't even
know anything about it. He knew a

429
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:36,719
little bit about it, and there
was a conversation whether he would join and

430
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,920
make this open and become there for
the job and for everything else. And

431
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,239
I don't think my sister wanted it
to happen. She thought, she,

432
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,679
I don't know, she is betting
up my brothers in the fucker mafia.

433
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,760
And how you're going to be a
freemason. You didn't want it. And

434
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,320
I remember there was little, you
know, arguments not arguments, but discussions

435
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,039
about it. But I think he
did become one because he got the job

436
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,639
as an engineer. And I had
asked them, Angelo, did you join?

437
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,320
No, I listen, I don't
even want to discuss it. So

438
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,599
I think he joined and he was
bound by whatever oath he took, and

439
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:23,360
he was and I respected that,
so I backed off. But I knew

440
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,760
myself for him to get the job, you know, and he don't want

441
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:37,039
to discuss it, he joined,
so but he wouldn't discuss anything that they

442
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,599
say or do anything like that.
So I never knew their rules or anything

443
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,519
like that, but but I knew
that these organizations, they do exist.

444
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:54,239
Yeah. Yeah, So you had
mentioned also the history of in the US,

445
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,000
the impact of mafia on US culture, and this is this is where

446
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,960
it gets really fascinating, because there's
there's just so many angles to which you

447
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,880
know the history of what you guys
were doing and involved. It just it

448
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,119
just hits at so many angles.
Right, You've got JFK, You've got

449
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,039
the FBI, You've got Marilyn Monroe, You've got so many movies coming up

450
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,280
to even you know, the present
time. It's hard to know where to

451
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,159
begin. But maybe let's start with
some of the JFK stuff, because what

452
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,360
seemed to come out over time,
and I know there's a million theories about

453
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,400
JFK, but what seems to make
the most sense to me from what I've

454
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:38,119
read, is that you had a
complex relationship between Joe Senior, who was

455
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:44,000
running liquor with al Capone at one
point out of Arkansas, from Chicago down

456
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,719
through Arkansas. And if you go
to Hot Springs, there's a whole history

457
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,199
that you can do there in Hot
Springs because you know, the Mafia had

458
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,519
a time period when they had a
lot of meetings and whatnot in Hot Springs,

459
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:59,519
Arkansas. And then so there was
a close relationship between the Mob and

460
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:05,280
the Kennedy And then we got essentially
the Mafia helps the Kennedys get elected.

461
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,360
So they help campaign, they tell
them to you know, they go to

462
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
the unions, they go to the
workers, They get the machine, the

463
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:15,079
Chicago machine, and all these kinds
of you know, the political machine to

464
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,599
get the Kennedys into power. And
then when the Kennedy's get in power,

465
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:22,239
you get this really tense relationship,
a lot of things going on. You

466
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,480
got Sam gun Khana Momo in Chicago. He's, you know, with Marilyn

467
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,559
Monroe flirting around for a time.
Marilyn Monroe was flirting around with the Kennedy's

468
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,639
for a time, and so there's
this weird relationship with her. Where my

469
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,360
theory is, I kind of think
she might have been kind of a sex

470
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,880
operative or somebody there to kind of
get dirt on everybody, and that might

471
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,800
have led to what happened with her
demise. But long story short, it

472
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,119
seems that the Kennedys kind of win
against the people that had helped them,

473
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,159
and this was a play to key
factor perhaps in the downfall of the Kennedys.

474
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,920
What do you think about, Well, now you're coming into my era

475
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,920
and my time. Now, I
was young. I was eighteen years old,

476
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,719
and I don't want to say that
I knew the Kennedys. I was

477
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,840
eighteen years old when he was killed. But I know you're coming into my

478
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,840
time where I come in. I'm
really knowledgeable about that stuff. Now,

479
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,440
as far as the Kennedy assassination,
let me go back where you started with

480
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,079
his father. His father was a
bootlegger. Yeah, when they did probition,

481
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,239
he was a bootlegger and he was
hooked with the mafia. Now you're

482
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,519
saying without Capone and whoever and uf
facts to that, which is great,

483
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,639
But I know that he was definitely
a bootlegger and he definitely came to the

484
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,840
mafia, whether it be Al Capone, whether it be some of the bosses,

485
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,719
it immediately ran around to the entire
mafia. He's asking for help.

486
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,480
He's hooked up in Chicago, he's
hooked up in a bunch of places,

487
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,920
and he's asking for help to make
his son the president of the United States.

488
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,159
This went all over the place,
in every state in the United States,

489
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,639
not every every state that there was
a mafia family. All the bosses,

490
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,960
great idea. Everybody put in their
little ideas. If we get him

491
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,239
in, if we do this,
how do we stand with the government.

492
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:31,199
Yes, And the story comes back
from Joe Kennedy. Great, the government

493
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,119
is going to love the mafia.
We're gonna bypass you. We're not gonna

494
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:37,840
hurt you, we're not gonna bother
with you, we're not gonna do anything.

495
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,880
We're gonna actually even open doors field. Should they go in this massive

496
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,599
push to make him the president.
They get in touch with every boss in

497
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:54,119
the country. They get in touch
with every union in the country, and

498
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:59,079
there's a massive push to push him. Now, I was a kid,

499
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,280
so I'm running around to grocery stores
and putting up signs, and if there's

500
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,920
another sign with another president, I
ripped that down. Have the owner there

501
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,079
get this fucking sign out of here, but lift this one on. And

502
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,280
we're telling the Italian people in our
neighborhood, this is good for us,

503
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,400
for the Italians. So there's a
massive, massive push for him to become

504
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,840
the president of the United States,
and he wins. He wins. Now,

505
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:36,239
I wouldn't say one hundred percent the
mafia did it. I think he

506
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,719
was smart. I think he was
fair. I think he was a good

507
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,159
guy. I think he listened to
his father. He got help help.

508
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,159
Yeah, So I don't want to
say that the mafia put him in,

509
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,039
but it was a big, big
helping hand. But he had all those

510
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,760
other qualities he also had. And
this comes from the mafia. Hollywood,

511
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:06,440
Yes, because they had the rat
pack. Sinatra, Dean Martin, the

512
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:15,079
whole nine yards. Mala Monroe that
you mentioned, was super, super close

513
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:21,000
with the rat pack. They were
part of her success. They helped her,

514
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,559
They loved her as a person.
She was a sex object, no

515
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:30,679
question about it. They talked to
her and she was cool with these things.

516
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,519
I don't want her to look slottly
when I talk about it. But

517
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,519
they talked to her and they said, listen, go down with the president

518
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:49,199
were there's a whole thing. There's
a pack the mafia with us. One

519
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,400
of the Kennedy's brother in law.
The fuck is his name, Peter Lawft

520
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,000
his brother in law to in the
Kennedy's. He's related to him. So

521
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:06,000
now Hollywood is packed in there,
The mafia is packed in Their unions are

522
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,880
packed in there. You know,
you don't need too much more. And

523
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:15,519
it's it's over over the top.
He wins. So and Madelon Monroe goes

524
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:22,039
there and she's banging them, but
she really goes there to do a favor.

525
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,840
But she gets to really really like
him a little too much. Maybe

526
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:34,679
I could even extend it to say
maybe she fell in love with him a

527
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,159
little bit. It was not just
a job anymore. She enjoyed him,

528
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:49,519
so she continued it. Sam Gia
Kanna had a girlfriend, Judith Wexler.

529
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:57,559
History shows it. She's she's uh
sam Giacanna's girlfriend, Gumara, whatever you

530
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:04,480
want to call it. He sends
her to Kennedy with packages. There's documents

531
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:10,440
about that she's having sex with him. Yeah, now, and he's sending

532
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:15,079
packages back. Nobody knows who's what's
in those packages going back and forth.

533
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:21,159
I don't think. I don't think
it's ever been disclosed. Now, that's

534
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:29,760
John Kennedy's little thing. He's sexually
active. He's got Malon Monroe here,

535
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,840
Judith over here, he has a
beautiful wife and a couple of more gumnas

536
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:43,960
here and there. But he's like
any other guy. He's sexually active,

537
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:55,840
very active. The problem comes that
Bobby Kennedy hates the fact that his father

538
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,559
and his brother are in bed with
the mafia. That that's how he got

539
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:07,760
elected. Right, he becomes the
attorney General and against his brother's wishes,

540
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,239
he goes against the mafia to try
and distance his family from them, and

541
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:22,039
the mafia feels betrayed. Now this
is where I come into I know,

542
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:30,039
not I heard. I start to
know there's they're bitter, They're real bitter

543
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,000
about things. And it takes a
while for me. I don't know right

544
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,840
then and there, but I get
to know. Marilyn Monroe becomes hooked on

545
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:50,039
drugs, the mafia is worried.
Now. She was perfect, good person,

546
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:57,840
loyal, sexual, beautiful actress,
perfect marriage they had. But now

547
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,880
she's on drugs and that's former part
and they're worried about it. From what

548
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,719
I understand now, when she sings
at his birthday in front of the whole

549
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,679
audience at the birth they missed the
president right, Well, that was how

550
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:20,280
that sentence. The mafia looks at
that. Oh my god, the whole

551
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,280
world is looking at this. We
got the president. We have to protect

552
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:32,239
him. She'll lose his presidency.
Bha. I was told we killed her.

553
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,199
When I say me, I'm not
involved in it, but we killed

554
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Tarta mafia. And when I heard
it from Tado, I was she was

555
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,360
my idol. I loved her just
like every other kid my age. And

556
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,280
I what I told him, we
killed her for what? And this is

557
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:57,199
the story he had told me.
With that song and this and that,

558
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,039
nobody wanted to She was great,
but she became a junkie. We lost

559
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:08,320
control of Huh. They fell in
love. They had to break this up.

560
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:13,800
Got to stop it or they lose
the presidency. What's more important now,

561
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Monroe or the president of the United
States? In your back pocket.

562
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,519
So that was the decision that was
made. That's all I knew. I

563
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,639
mean, I don't know it factually, but I heard it so to speak

564
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,199
right from the horse's mouth, now, Toddle. I asked them, did

565
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:30,559
you take part? No? No, but I listen. I know what

566
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:35,920
I'm talking about. So that he's
not talking like he's cooperating or he's talking

567
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960
to me. Me and him just
shooting the ship. So I take it

568
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:49,599
for factuals Now, when I cooperated, the FBI came down and talked to

569
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,320
me. The FBI was handling me
and watching me and talk on me every

570
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
day. They said, Sammy,
a couple of have you guys are coming

571
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,079
down from Marshington. I joke around
a lot of stuff. Don't joke around.

572
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:04,079
It's a serious shit, all right. They came in a bunch of

573
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,599
them suits. Nice Sammy. We
want to ask you about the Kennedy.

574
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:29,679
What do you want to ask?
Who did it? From Dallas, Texas,

575
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,880
the flash apparent, the official President
Kennedy died at one the Central Standard

576
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:46,599
time two o'clock Eastern Standard time.
What do you want to ask? Who

577
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:54,880
did it? I told him,
you must be joking, I said,

578
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:07,159
I know everybody hated Bobby Kennedy.
Hated him with a fucking passion. The

579
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:14,719
head of the FBI, Hoover,
the vice president, the CIA, the

580
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,599
mafia, you name it. They
hated him. His own brother John.

581
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,400
He went to his brother John.
There was a doctor he had a bed

582
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:29,119
back and was giving him injections.
He found out that an injection had some

583
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:34,480
sort of painkiller and cocaine mixed together, and he wanted arrest the doctor.

584
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,360
And John Kennedy told Bobby Kenny,
get the fuck out of my office.

585
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,800
I don't care what he's putting in
my back. I don't feel any pain

586
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:49,039
when he does it. Mind your
business. Joe Kennedy tried to stop Bobby

587
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,039
Kennedy, but Joe Kennedy had a
stroke or something. Of course, now

588
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:59,800
that mafia was growling at him,
and he got sick, so he went

589
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:07,599
on the back burner. That is
an old Sicilian saying, you chopped the

590
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:13,039
head of the fish off and the
fish dice. So who's the head,

591
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:20,320
Bobby or John? John? Yeah, so that that could have been.

592
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:30,079
Now there's conversations that Carlos Massala from
Louisiana, Sam Jeff Traffic Canty from Florida,

593
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,280
were two major guys who were pushing
to kill the president. A lot

594
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,440
of other bosses were going along with
that as well, even though they didn't

595
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,920
want to. They had to stop. What was about happening to them,

596
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,840
the betrayal that Bobby showed. Yes, they couldn't control the father no more.

597
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,039
It was sick. It was an
invalid. So the decision was to

598
00:49:55,079 --> 00:50:00,920
stop it. But I told the
FBI guys who were with me, I

599
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,239
can tell you one thing. I
know for sure. Mafiosos were not sitting

600
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:13,760
on that grassy knoll. That's not
the way we killed. Those are guys

601
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,760
with high powered fucking rifles with scopes. That's your CIA guys. That's you

602
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,760
guys who did that. Right now, we're all part of it. Hoover

603
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,559
was the head of the FBI.
He never publicly says those this thing as

604
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:37,079
a mafia. That's a joke.
Your ten year old kid would say,

605
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,480
yeah, there's a mafia. He
didn't know it. Of course he knew

606
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:44,840
it. So everybody concealed that.
Everybody was working together in a group,

607
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,719
whether it was the government, the
mafia, Jewish organizations, all every fucking

608
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,199
thing working together, and they all
had one thing in common. I remember,

609
00:50:53,239 --> 00:51:00,360
and I told was they hated Bobby
Kennedy. He destroyed his own fingly

610
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,800
and he was destroyed. This whole
relationship that went on to make his brother

611
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:13,679
the boss. Ted Kennery was just
as bad. Ted Kennedy had a girlfriend

612
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:20,039
who worked for him, freshed his
car in a creek. He gets out,

613
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,360
she don't get out, and he
runs away. You don't swim back

614
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,559
to try to help him. He
don't do anything. He runs home to

615
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:32,639
try to cover it up. From
what I read, that poor girl stood

616
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,119
sixteen hours in that car with her
face. Of course the car was upside

617
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:44,119
down on the top, sucking air. Took us sixteen hours to die.

618
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,119
He could have saved her at any
Give him fucking time. There's another piece

619
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:54,639
of shit in the Kennedy family.
So Bobby and him Teddy, and there's

620
00:51:54,679 --> 00:52:01,639
another one who lived in Connecticut who
raped then a young girl. So there's

621
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:07,599
all kinds of stories. The highlight
of that family was Joe Kennedy and John

622
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:14,360
Kennedy. John Kennedy gave a speech
that remained with me my whole life.

623
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Don't ask what your you government could
do for you, ask what you can

624
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:28,519
do for your government. So he
was a great president. He fucked up

625
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:35,440
in Guantanamo. Obey Cia was involved, he didn't follow through. So everybody

626
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:40,440
there was all kinds of beefs with
that whole relationship. But John could have

627
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,519
made a fuck up, you know, anybody could suck up. They wouldn't

628
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,360
have never killed him for that.
It was what Bobby did. Yeah,

629
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,920
So I told the government that's what
I know. The government guys who were

630
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,960
there talken to me, let me
get back to that said stop this convers

631
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:07,599
station, scrub all these notes,
and we weren't here and left. Wow,

632
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,039
And I never heard about it again. Huh. So I must have

633
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:15,719
hit a button somewhere along the line
that they didn't like that. It was

634
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,960
then that did the actual hit.
Now I watched the car with him and

635
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:25,000
his wife driving. Yeah, I
could tell you I'm a hit, you

636
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:30,039
know that. I could tell you
one thing. You get hit with a

637
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:37,159
rifle in your neck, in the
back of your head. You're going forward

638
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:42,320
on right now he is when you
see the shot, he's going forward.

639
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,960
Then all of a sudden it stops
on a dime. It looks like the

640
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,840
front of his head bursts open and
he goes flying backwards. So it looks

641
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,079
like whoever was in that tower through
the first shot hit him in the neck,

642
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,920
wasn't enough. The guy under no, get him square in the forehead.

643
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,639
He goes back. Nineteen different people
disappear or are murdered. In the

644
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:15,719
investigation. Medical records disappear that the
motorcade was slowed down from twenty miles an

645
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,719
hour to twelve miles an hour.
I don't know the exact number. The

646
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,559
mafia. I had told them,
we don't have connections to do that.

647
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:30,320
It's you guys, know. Yeah. In my conversation with them, and

648
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,079
I mean, one guy looked at
another guy and all of a sudden,

649
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,119
the boss said, listen, this
meeting's over. Let's get the fuck out

650
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,440
of here. It'scrubble. The notes, no notes, no nothing. Wow.

651
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:49,000
So my opinion is it was a
combination of everybody who killed them,

652
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,159
and it was Bobby Kennedy's fault.
The blood is on his hands, his

653
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:59,360
brothers hands, the people who implemented
it, implemented it. It's all over

654
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,880
the fucking place. And I understood, even the vice president hated him.

655
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,440
Everybody gave a nod and it was
done. That's the way I got it.

656
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:15,239
So that's what I know about the
Kennedy hit, right, Yeah,

657
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,400
that makes perfect sense. That's exactly
what the line of thought I had on

658
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,639
that. And also too, Bobby
had had personally insulted and gone after Carlos

659
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,960
Marcelo. He shipped them out of
the country and him in a jungle.

660
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,280
Yeah, and shipped him and put
him in a jungle from prison, taking

661
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,079
him out of prison from them on
a plane, dropping him in the middle

662
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,280
of a jungle. Yeah. And
this guy survived it. I mean,

663
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:46,639
he was the hatred he had for
the Kennedys from that. I mean,

664
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,559
so you know, everybody say this
is crazy. This is how the country

665
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:58,000
worked back then, and there was
different groups working together, and and all

666
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,079
you people who say this is crazy, who listen to this, Look what's

667
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:06,000
going on now. I don't want
to get to now. But now looks

668
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:13,559
like looks like so many fucking people
working together, ugly, ugly shit ten

669
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,559
times worse than these times were in
the mafia. Yeah, but we'll get

670
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,639
that to that amount of time.
You know a couple of movies that I

671
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,639
recently watched that that I'm curious as
to how historically accurate you think they might

672
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:28,519
be. I don't know. If
you saw them, but you know there

673
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:34,239
was Marge Scorsese, did I think
the Irishman right? And this this gets

674
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,960
into Hafa and the unions and Jimmy
Hoffa's control of the Unions, and then

675
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,920
how he had to sort of make
alliances with organized crime, and then a

676
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,840
lot of people wonder you know,
was there Carlos Marcelo and people in Louisiana

677
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,920
involved in the disappearance of Hafa.
That's one of the theories out there.

678
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,159
I don't know if you can comment
on that, if you have any ideas

679
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:57,599
on that. Yeah, I know, I know. I know a lot

680
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:07,719
about the hit. I know I
know why he died. I know what

681
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:14,320
family got the hit. I know
what captain got the hit. He had

682
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,400
a guy around him and I can't
think of his fucking name. He went

683
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:24,639
down and did it. Now,
you influenced the movie in it the movie,

684
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:30,960
I don't think. I think they
bought a book, The Irishman,

685
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:39,320
and they went by his book.
They did a great job. I wasn't

686
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,039
a fan of the movie, to
be honest, even though I like some

687
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,039
of the people who are involved making
the movie, but I wasn't a fan

688
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,119
of it. And the only reason
it was done well. The only reason

689
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:53,079
I'm not a fan of it is
that the story is not true. Okay,

690
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,519
the irishman did not kill Jimmy Offa, did not put a gun on

691
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,440
his body like they showed him the
movie. The fuck would do that?

692
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,039
And then he says he also killed
crazy Joe Gallo. I know for a

693
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:15,719
fact he did not do that.
So once you once I'm watching a movie,

694
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,360
it you know, I listen.
I'm a movie guy. I like

695
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,639
movies, Godfather, Good Fellas.
You don't have to have one hundred percent

696
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:29,320
truth, but you have to have
enough for truth that keeps me interested in

697
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,920
I understand it. And I understand
Hollywood. If you do a great job,

698
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,719
even if it's not one hundred percent
accurate, I love it. But

699
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,440
when you don't get any accuracy at
all, I start to not watch it.

700
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,679
I watched the movie h and it
didn't, you know, make me

701
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:53,239
look good. The guy he won
with ton what the fuck is his name?

702
00:58:54,079 --> 00:59:00,360
And I'm on the s side.
A great actor did a great job.

703
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:05,320
It's pretty good, you know.
Then it make me look good.

704
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,679
But it was a good movie.
The Next Guy movie was made by John

705
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:14,480
Jr. It was a fucking nightmare. It was ridiculous, there was nothing

706
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:20,800
was the truth. Horribly done John
for Volta playing John Got It was a

707
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,360
joke, it was a sin.
I'm sure John Gott he must have been

708
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,480
doing flips in his grave if he
knows what was done. I think every

709
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,840
single what are these people who give
you know? They they you know,

710
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,760
percentages of how good it is or
bad it is or what they But they

711
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:45,159
make eight critics, eighteenth of the
top critics in the world gave it a

712
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,760
zero zero a zero. So I
mean they should win an award because I

713
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,159
don't think any movie ever did that. I mean sometimes when it's like that,

714
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:58,000
when I bet the lottery and I
don't hit that all them numbers,

715
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,519
I don't hit one fucking number,
I should win something. Who could miss

716
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:07,280
every fucking number. So anyway,
they had to try hard to be that

717
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,440
bad. Yeah, really try hard
to be that bad. So this was

718
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,840
And and one more thing, I
was in the movie. The producers were

719
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,039
telling me, saymy go to the
movies and see it. I didn't want

720
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:19,079
to see it, and they said, come on, it's gonna ask you

721
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,840
questions about the movie and whatever.
So I went to the movie and I

722
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:27,960
was watching it. There were seven
people in the movie theater. Seven.

723
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:34,199
I thought I was gonna get whacked. I said, nobody's here, Bob,

724
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,760
I'm gonna get whacked. I know
it was the subject set up.

725
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,960
So anyway, one aisle behind me
and over to the side to the right

726
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,639
a little bit, there was a
guy and the girl a husband and wife

727
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:47,800
or boyfriend and girlfriend and whoever they
were, and I'm watching them halfway through

728
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,400
the movie and I was like sick
watching this. So the girl tells the

729
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:59,039
guy, my god, there's guys
running around. What's their names? Who

730
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:00,840
are they? I mean, I
don't know what's going on. Yeah,

731
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,159
it's hard to follow. It was
added to really bad, It's terrible.

732
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,159
I wanted to turn around and say, sweet on, my name is Salvato

733
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:12,920
Sanity Bubano, and I don't know
what the fuck is going on? Why

734
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,320
should you? But I didn't say
nothing. Ied to almost the end that

735
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,960
I just couldn't take them more.
At the end, before the ending,

736
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:25,239
I walked out. I mean,
a horrible We watched that recently, uh,

737
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,559
the John Travolta Gotti, and I
was I wanted to ask you about

738
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,400
that because the first thing that stood
out to me was, And you're obviously

739
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,599
the best person to ask about this
is that John Travolta's portrayal of Gotti.

740
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:40,960
I don't think he smiled once,
you know, he was always just scowling.

741
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,960
And every scene is half the movie
streaming yelling. Yeah, see the

742
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:49,920
pot in that when they shoot the
guy in the bar, he comes out

743
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,199
of the shallow shadows. He didn't
shoot the guy. Yeah, the government

744
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,920
knows that. Every wise guy knows
that he didn't shoot the guy. It

745
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,360
wasn't him. It was another guy
who shot the guy. So, I

746
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,199
mean, everything in the thing was
fake. But they were listening to the

747
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,800
sun who gave him I don't know, a bunch of bullshit. He didn't.

748
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,039
Oh, he wanted to make him
look like I don't know. Well,

749
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:19,400
stick to uh uh, you know, disco danny bullshit movies, you

750
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,480
know, not not gangster movies.
Bro, you're not a gangster. We

751
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,760
don't the fuck you are. Go
go dance in a fucking disco someplace.

752
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,639
You know. Well, you know, you get the impression when you watch

753
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,280
a lot of interviews, you watch
a lot of your content, you watch

754
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,239
a lot of documentaries and this kind
of stuff. You know, you guys

755
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,440
are cutting up a lot of the
time. You guys are having a good

756
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:42,559
time in that movie. Nobody's smiling, nobody's cutting up. It's just always

757
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:46,480
just a scowling and it doesn't And
John wasn't like that. John, Listen,

758
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:52,119
I had my things, my problems
with him, but he wasn't like

759
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,840
that. He was a happy,
go lucky guy, smile and joke and

760
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:00,800
tease and whatever. That's what I'm
saying. This was a total disrespect to

761
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:06,840
him. That really was not him. Now, in the other movie he

762
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:12,599
looked great with I'm unders said this, but this movie just, I mean

763
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,519
completely was not him. It's well, didn't even do the crimes. And

764
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:20,920
then you're right, this was not
his personality. It wasn't him. It

765
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,400
made him look horrible. You the
guy that portrayed you. You probably don't

766
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,400
think he portrayed you well either,
right, No, listen, I've got

767
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,679
personal connections in Hollywood now a lot. And I'm told first movie, second

768
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,679
movie, they reached the actors and
actresses don't do a fuck it to make

769
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:44,719
up look horrible. The directors and
everybody make them look horrible. They wouldn't

770
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,119
pick a good actor to play me, you know. And I understand.

771
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,559
I'm not mad at that. I
don't even care. But you know,

772
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:54,639
if you're gonna do, like if
I'm working on some movies, if I

773
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,000
do a movie that he's going to
be in it, I want to pick

774
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,679
a good actor to play Joe.
Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, you

775
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:08,719
know. I want to pick Danny
DeVito to play John Now next time.

776
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,199
Wait, did you hear what I
said, Danny Devita? Oh okay,

777
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,679
so you're joking. Well I thought
for a second, I was like,

778
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,559
is he being serious? What?
No? No, yeah, that's a

779
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:23,519
joke. That's definitely a joke.
I want to I really would pick a

780
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:27,400
decent actor to play him. He
deserves that. You know, I'm not

781
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,599
happy with him. We had beefs, but I'm not going to, you

782
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:34,239
know, make him look like he
wasn't. You know, I wouldn't do

783
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,440
that. What about uh you know, something that you may have touched on.

784
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,440
But I'm curious about. Another movie
I recently watched was Black Mass with

785
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,760
Johnny Dupp, where he's playing uh, Whitey Bulger. And so you know,

786
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:55,840
during this time of the seventies eighties, what's the relationship of Kozinostra to

787
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,320
the Irish mafia and these kinds of
characters like Whitey Bulger, And what did

788
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,760
you think of that film? Did
you think it was a good portrayal.

789
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:08,760
I'm really I mean, they're from
they're from where the hell where they were?

790
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:13,239
Uh? Boston? Boston. Yeah, I didn't have no connection with

791
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,800
them. He was a fucking complete
degenerate from what I understood and heard.

792
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,440
I did time with two guys who
were in his crew, two the rightful

793
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:27,480
Man and another one I can't think
of his name. The guy actually went

794
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:31,039
to Harvard University and his crew.
I did time with both of them,

795
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:35,840
and I understood what he was.
He was a total fucking degenerate piece of

796
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,960
shit. I'll talk about him at
some other time. I'll talk about what

797
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:45,480
he did. He was going out
with a girl, and he was going

798
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,039
with the girl's daughter, and then
he would pass her around she was sixteen,

799
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,480
and pass him around to our friends. And then when she got a

800
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:57,840
little upputy and he was afraid it
was going to come out, he killed

801
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,039
him. So that's what That's what
white Bulger was. And there's a lot

802
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:05,519
more, but I don't even want
to He was a disgusting I did time

803
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:13,039
with Frankie Cadillac who was the boss
and he was in jail because of him,

804
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:17,760
Mighty Bulger, and I did time
with him, and he was the

805
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,239
boss for a while, and I
did time with him as a fucking morlan.

806
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,079
The guy was a moron, I
think, I gotta be Did Sicilian

807
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,599
mafia and Irish mafia have a decent
relationship but something that doesn't come up very

808
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:32,039
much. We we did in a
couple of places now over there, I

809
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,960
don't know about their relationship. In
Boston it was obviously with this jerk,

810
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:41,440
it was horrible. But in New
York there was the West East, and

811
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:45,440
we had a relationship with them.
And then they were eventually hooked up with

812
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:50,400
the Gambino family that were close with
the Gambino family and h that was a

813
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,480
deal that Paul Castellano made with them, right, Is that right? Yeah?

814
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,480
Yeah, Then while Paul was the
they sat down, it was a

815
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:03,400
famous they sat down in Tomaso's restaurant
on eighty six Street events in Nurse Brooklyn,

816
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:10,400
and uh, they came to an
agreement with them, and they controlled

817
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:15,119
some unions. I worked with some
of the people, and uh, they

818
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,960
had the iron workers' unions and they
had they had a lot of things.

819
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:25,639
We worked together back and forth.
They had a lot of shooters, A

820
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:30,639
lot of them were loose cannons,
so to speak. But we had relationships

821
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:34,400
with the Irish on and off so
and there was a history of them.

822
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:39,440
There was, you know, different
guys got killed, different guys took over.

823
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,519
Then finally a guy named Bosco took
over. He was Czechoslovakia, and

824
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,119
I believe I was very very close
with them. I did a major case.

825
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:51,239
We we bribed the Durors and did
everything, and uh, John beat

826
01:07:51,280 --> 01:08:00,480
the case and it all blew up. Everybody got pinched eventually. But well,

827
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,119
we had a relationship with them,
and I was pretty close with Bosco.

828
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:08,639
Matter of fact, when he got
arrested, thank you so much.

829
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,239
When he got arrested it I was
doing time and they wanted me to testify

830
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:19,399
against him because they wanted to use
him and he was in They wanted to

831
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:28,279
use him against Melosovich in the World
Court. And I refused to testify against

832
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:32,079
him. I didn't want to make
a deal with them. Interesting and they

833
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,039
held him about five months. Then
they had to let him go and he

834
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:39,920
was out. Matter of fact,
there was a writer who went and go

835
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:45,720
meet him in wherever he was Bosnia, and he did an interview with him.

836
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,239
I got it in the magazine.
The guy wrote a whole article about

837
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:55,079
him and booked him about me and
he wrote the article I got the magazine

838
01:08:55,119 --> 01:09:00,760
that was in. So, yeah, we had relationships different people, different

839
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,840
groups, different groups. We had, you know, relationships with Black Mafia.

840
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:11,439
There was different people at different times
who were close with the mafia,

841
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:17,039
some for drug reasons and some for
other reasons. We had some relationships with

842
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:24,520
Mexican mafias and Russian mafias. I
was close with some people who were in

843
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,880
the Russian mafia. Michael Franchise was
doing some stuff with guys in the Russian

844
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,920
mafia, the oil and gas and
stuff like that. He was well known

845
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,079
for that. So we were hooked
up with a lot of different mafias.

846
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:44,159
We always had somebody had relationships with
the Jews. We always had some sort

847
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:51,239
of a friendship or relationship or whatever. But they kind of advanced the Jews

848
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:57,640
in this country and they went on
and pulled away from crime. Like you

849
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,399
know they were during Lucky Lucian In
those days, they were really head deep.

850
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:06,479
Maya Lansky and may Orlansky and Lucky
were really close and they were murder

851
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:13,119
incorporated was old Jews. The shooters
were old Jews. They weren't even Italian

852
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,319
guys that were Jews. So we've
been after that, they more or less

853
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:24,239
pulled away and and uh did different
things, but there was always friendships and

854
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:30,359
relationships and people knew somebody or something
you had mentioned next the you know,

855
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:33,119
from the time of the nineteen fifties
to the seventies, especially that a lot

856
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:36,439
of corruption you know, got exposed
in this period on the part of the

857
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:41,039
government. And what's ironic, I
think is that you know, when we

858
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:43,600
watch movies, who watch Hollywood,
we think, oh, the you know,

859
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,079
the mafia is the bad guys.
They're doing this, they're doing that.

860
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,279
But then it turns out that the
people really running the country, you

861
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:51,319
know, the shadow government, this
kind of stuff, that are pushing for

862
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,079
a global order. And you know
what we've seen in the last few years,

863
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:00,119
all the crackdowns, the lockdown,
all this crazy stuff. That's the

864
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,840
real organized crime. That's that's who's
really you know, trying to bring in

865
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,960
something. I think that's bad news. So do you want to get into

866
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:11,119
some of the present day topics,
Well, I'm gonna do that when we

867
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,119
talk about our you know station,
if you're going to come on with me

868
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:17,039
and that. But I will say
one or two things. I say this

869
01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:20,640
to my crew, I say this
to everybody. You know I'm involved in.

870
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,560
I didn't kill nineteen people. I'm
involved in nineteen murders. And uh.

871
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,239
Some people say, oh my god. Now I look at what they're

872
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:34,680
doing now. They're allowing drugs to
come into this country. There's no question

873
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,399
about open borders, just allowing it. They know it's bad. They know

874
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:45,640
what's happening. There's one hundred thousand
deaths, one hundred thousand deaths from right.

875
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:50,359
So if you think I'm a badass
bro, I'm not a I'm not

876
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:55,399
a boy scout. Compared to them, I'm a boy scout. They they

877
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,920
allowed one hundred thousand of these lives
to die. Maybe we couldn't have stopped

878
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:01,560
more. But I bet you if
they would have put an effort in,

879
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,600
we could have stopped fifty safety thousand
of them to die. They don't give

880
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:12,119
a fuck. That's an ugly mafia. How was I think had a little

881
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:17,560
bit of heart and soul, some
rhythms, Some dealt with other nationalities.

882
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,760
We cared about certain people certain times. Not everybody in the mafia, no,

883
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,119
but some of us did. These
people don't give a fuck about nothing.

884
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,880
So when we talk about the news
and what's going on, I would

885
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:38,159
love to just uncover that analyze it
between me, you and Anna and I

886
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:42,800
talk about it, and people I
don't understand how they're not waking up and

887
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:48,520
doing things. I mean, I
just watched the video of a woman in

888
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:57,920
San Francisco on the floor. Young
woman gave birth, probably drugged up.

889
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,479
The baby came out of her and
her face, the baby's face is laying

890
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:08,119
on the cement. The smith is
all dirty. It looks like a shithold

891
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,880
in this thing, and the baby's
laying on the floor. What really got

892
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,399
me is the camera backed up.
There's some good, good guy there trying

893
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,039
to help her, and he's got
my phone, so I assume he's talking

894
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:21,239
to the cops and he's a decent
guy trying to help her. The other

895
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:27,439
guy standing over haul, he's got
slipp is on and the camera goes up

896
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,399
and you look at him, he
looks like a fucking like a zombie.

897
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:35,960
Yeah, yeah, I mean,
and this is what's walking around the streets

898
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:41,800
in San Francisco. Now they want
to get this fun. They had a

899
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:47,760
shot to get rid of Newsom.
Do they they go to an election,

900
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:56,479
they'll overwhelmingly re elect him. What
the fuck are they thinking? Even if

901
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,600
you're a Democrat, you would turn
around and say, yeah, I'm a

902
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:05,159
Demo, I voted for him,
but what he's done to California. Fuck

903
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:11,760
this guy. I'm gonna I'll go
vote for anybody else bought him, and

904
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,760
not a Democrat. I'll vote for
a Republican or independent. I don't give

905
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,319
a shit who it is, but
I'll never vote for this guy again.

906
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,239
You're living in it, don't you
see it? Yeah? I don't know

907
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:25,600
how they're doing. This is beyond
me. So this is when we talk

908
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,079
on the news station. I would
love to talk about things like this,

909
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:30,760
and I don't want you to.
I'm not going to convince you to vote

910
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Republican. I'm going to say because
there's Republicans I don't like either a lot

911
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:41,159
of them. But I want to
say, when you see somebody's fucking bed,

912
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,600
don't say I vote for him because
I'm a Democrat. No, what

913
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,239
you give a fuck what you are. You're a human being. You have

914
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:55,279
a husband or wife, for children, and grandchildren and whatever. Switch switch

915
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:59,600
sides, get rid of them and
vote for somebody else. Don't vote in

916
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:05,319
the same anything that's destroying your city
over and over again. So uh so,

917
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,279
I don't want to talk to Republicans
or independence. I want to talk

918
01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:15,560
to Democrats. I know, use
people are Democrats. I know you're walking

919
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,439
around with a bad label because of
what they're doing, but you're not bad

920
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:23,880
people. But it's up to you. If you don't vote them the fuck

921
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:28,720
out, then they're there. Don't
take you, sir. I'm a Democrats,

922
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,840
So I'm going to vote Democrat.
No we if they're doing it and

923
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:36,000
you see it, vote for somebody
else. That's what the country is about

924
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:43,640
anyway, don't be a speaker.
Yeah, speaking of that, do you

925
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,239
have any thoughts on the background,
because you've done a few videos where you

926
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:51,159
talked about Trump and maybe one time
there was a thought that y'all might try

927
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,640
to shake down Trump and he was
surrounded by people and then it turns into,

928
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:59,039
you know, something that didn't didn't
end up happening. What do you

929
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:01,000
think about the whole I'm phenomena.
You have any takes on that? Is

930
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:04,760
that something you want to say?
For later. We can save it for

931
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,439
later, but I will I will
say for this. I'm not a Trump

932
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:17,439
loyalist or supporter or something like that, but I will say this. If

933
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:25,840
I'm gonna vote for someone, I
don't care if the guy is the ugliest

934
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,840
bastard in the world, and this
guy looks like Brad Pitt, I'm not

935
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,960
gonna vote for your looks or if
I like you as a person, I'm

936
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:39,720
gonna look at what you do.
You might be the best looking guy in

937
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:45,079
the world, talk real nice,
but everything you do fucking turns the ship.

938
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,479
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
vote for you, simple as that.

939
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:56,800
So what I'm gonna say about Trump
is that I'm not a Trump loyalist

940
01:16:57,039 --> 01:17:00,640
or supporter or nothing. He's not
gonna do nothing for me way or another.

941
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:09,000
But I analyze the whole presidency under
him, and he made this country

942
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:15,399
ten times better. We were going
in the right direction. The world had

943
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:21,000
respect for us in common sense.
I'm not an extremely educated guy like you

944
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:26,000
with a lot of other people out
there, but I look at it now,

945
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:31,640
even without a fucking Harvard degree,
I look at it and I say,

946
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:38,000
well, this is fifty times fucking
worse than this. Yeah. So

947
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,680
if I don't like Trump personally,
I don't want to have a drink with

948
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,880
him. I don't want to be
with a broad me and him and abroad

949
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,479
having to treat him. No,
I don't want that either. I don't

950
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,159
want to be around him. Okay, but the way he runs the country,

951
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:55,279
I'm with him, bro, I'm
on it. So I would vote

952
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:58,079
for him. Now I'm a convicted
follow my camp both, so I might

953
01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:01,399
as well shut up. But if
I could vote, I would vote for

954
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:09,000
him. He showed me results.
Maybe you don't like the way he talks.

955
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:13,520
And you know, I always said, if Trump would have changed two

956
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,359
words in his vocabulary, he might
be the president of the United States.

957
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:21,159
So if he's listening and I'm going
to tell him those two words, get

958
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:26,880
rid of the word I and me. I did this. It was me.

959
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:30,680
I did this. It was me. Get rid of those two fucking

960
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,840
words and change them to we and
us. Yeah, and people will love

961
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,560
you. It's a good idea.
Yeah, Really honored. It's amazing,

962
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,920
Probably one of the wildest best interviews
I've done. Really thankful to be here

963
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:49,479
with the with Sammy the Bulgravano.
One. One thing I'm really looking forward

964
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:56,079
to talking about is how they want
to push this global unified digital currency,

965
01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:00,079
a new order globalization. I want
to talk about some of the wild events

966
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:03,800
that have happened in the past few
years. Why are they trying to kill

967
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,720
off livestock, trying to ban meat? You know, I just did a

968
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,960
Tucker Carlson special and in that special, they were highlighting how they want to

969
01:19:13,079 --> 01:19:15,960
ban farming in various European countries.
They probably want to push that here.

970
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,079
Looking forward to talking about maybe the
what was going on with the Trump indictment,

971
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,039
whistle blowers, in terms of Obama
Biden, crime families, the real

972
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,840
big crime families that are out there, Mike McCormick, stenographer, this kind

973
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,279
of stuff. Maybe the possibility of
World War three, the Fourth Industrial Revolution,

974
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,119
Klaus Schwab, Davos, all those
guys in the future of AI.

975
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:45,079
Where's all this going. I'm looking
forward to getting Sammy's taken all this well.

976
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:48,119
I got a surprise the answer feel
I know about all of that stuff,

977
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,840
and a lot of that stuff,
I'll tell you why. I'm not

978
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:55,840
trying to break one win gangsters.
We did a lot of these things that

979
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,119
they're doing on a very small scale. Yeah, we took a piece,

980
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:03,079
a little bite, like a bird
took a little bite of the pie and

981
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:09,720
flew away. These motherfuckers want to
eat the entire pie. Yeah, But

982
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,239
I see what they're doing. And
it's not only me, Because Michael Frenchs

983
01:20:14,319 --> 01:20:17,359
became very friendly with me. I
talked to him and he feels the same

984
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:21,640
way. He sees it too.
He was more of a racketeer business guy

985
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,600
in the life, and he's got
a very strong opinion. So maybe if

986
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,239
we put on a show, maybe
we'll have him on our show every once

987
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,880
in a while. But he sees
it too. There's a lot of gangsters.

988
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,000
They see it. It's clear as
a bell to them because they've done

989
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:40,159
it. So I'm going to know
a lot of those answers, and I

990
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:44,279
have a lot of some of those
answer questions. I have questions to you

991
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,760
about, you know, what would
this do? Why is this? I

992
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:53,680
know why it's happening, it's how
it's happening. The effect of what's going

993
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,640
to happen, and what's going to
happen to the people, my daughter,

994
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:05,479
my son, my grandchildren. That's
a big concern for me. I'm seventy

995
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,439
eight, I'm a big boy,
I got big shoulders. I could fight

996
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,880
back, but I look at them
and I look at, you know,

997
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,399
some of the people around me.
I got this woman around me, an

998
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:20,359
Arab woman. I mean, she's
got two beautiful kids. She's hustling to

999
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,600
hustling to make a living, to
help them to do things, and we're

1000
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,479
crushing the fucking shit out of this
country. I look at her, and

1001
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,479
sometimes she's talking, she's so proud. I say to myself, I don't

1002
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:39,439
tell her this. Those kids ain't
got a shot. They ain't got a

1003
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,680
fucking shot, not the way it's
going, not because they don't have brains

1004
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,199
and looks and every talent. But
what they're doing to this country, I

1005
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:49,600
don't know. If there's gonna be
an opportunity. Who the fuck knows.

1006
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,359
And I'm not just talking about her
kids. I'm talking about my grandchildren and

1007
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:59,680
everything. Anybody else. Anna's got
a son, a beautiful son who's big

1008
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,199
boy and trying to live a life. Young boy. You know it's it's

1009
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:08,319
I would appreciate these countries, and
this is why I want to have this

1010
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:14,560
show with you, with myself,
and we discussed these things, and maybe

1011
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,000
we can reach some people and help
them. I get so many people who

1012
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:24,399
were telling me I did some stories
about drugs, thanking me. I'm three

1013
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,800
months, so I'm eight months,
sob I appreciate Sammy. I was on

1014
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,800
a buy listening to you. I
stopped and I'm eight months, so I

1015
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:36,359
love it. So hopefully that with
this news stations, Mafia News Station,

1016
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:44,600
is that we reach people, help
people and make people understand what's going on

1017
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:51,000
around us and that they better talk
up now otherwise when they look at their

1018
01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:56,319
kids for four years from now,
five years from now, I don't know

1019
01:22:56,359 --> 01:23:00,159
what they're going to tell them,
and you talk up? Why didn't you

1020
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:03,319
stop it? One? Didn't you
try to stop it? Yeah? I'm

1021
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:06,279
a Democrat. Is that what you're
gonna say? And that's why I voted

1022
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:11,720
that way, And that's what you're
gonna tell your kid. I had no

1023
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,479
more tentative, That's what I am. Yeah, And if I would wouldn't

1024
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,920
want to hear that from my mother
and my father, and I ain't know.

1025
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:24,880
My father was a grease ball off
the boat tying and my mother too.

1026
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,800
And I'll tell you one thing about
grease balls. It's a little bit

1027
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:33,479
of a slurg word. But Italian
people we use it. They gave a

1028
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,319
fuck about their kids. You couldn't
touch their kids. They were like lions

1029
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:43,039
and we were like their little cubs. They couldn't talk English right, they

1030
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,000
couldn't do a lot of things right. But they worked and they slaved for

1031
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:49,920
you. And they you come near
them, they would be I'm on,

1032
01:23:50,319 --> 01:23:57,119
they're ready to rip you apart.
Are we not doing that anymore? Do

1033
01:23:57,279 --> 01:24:00,960
we not care about our kids?
Our grandchildre see it all fake? When

1034
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,359
you go over, you pick the
kid up and give him a kiss,

1035
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:08,840
another run away and not care.
No, when you pick the kid up

1036
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,760
and you hold them and you jump
them up and down and you kiss them

1037
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:17,479
on the cheek, put him down
gently and say you have no future Because

1038
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,239
I'm not going to do anything to
help you say that. At least have

1039
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:27,640
the fucking bulls to say that to
a fucking three or five year old who

1040
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,960
don't understand what you're talking about anyway. So you go with that, all

1041
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:34,039
right, Jay, listen, if
we can get together, it would be

1042
01:24:34,119 --> 01:24:38,199
my pleasure to get together. And
you guys who are listening, this is

1043
01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:43,000
Jay and I'm high on him.
I am asking him publicly to be on

1044
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:48,640
the show to Bullpen and partner up
with us and help show the people and

1045
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:54,119
help the people. I think that's
him, you know, to the core.

1046
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,920
So you guys who are listening to
this and see this, send me

1047
01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:02,319
back comments, you know, so
if they're bad comments, I'll take them

1048
01:25:02,359 --> 01:25:06,439
out, you know, Jay taking
them out is not a good thing for

1049
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:12,039
mafia guy tells you he's taken out, So don't smile about that. Take

1050
01:25:12,079 --> 01:25:15,640
other comments, yeah no, not
the copts so anyway, but if you

1051
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,880
like them, you know, hopefully
I can show them and we can do

1052
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:24,800
something together, and this will be
a thing. There's twofold one is a

1053
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:30,199
mafia news station, the Bullpen,
and I'm very serious. I'm bent on

1054
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,680
him, and I already have a
few other people. We're gonna do the

1055
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,560
history of the Mafia, and you
guys are gonna love this more than anything.

1056
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,560
We're gonna go back to the twelfth
century, where it started, where

1057
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,399
it began, why it happened,
when it came here, where it went,

1058
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:51,800
and everything until current times. It's
gonna be long, but it's gonna

1059
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:58,479
be something. You guys, if
you loved my podcast and listen views,

1060
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,880
I know you loved it. We
had as of today I think ninety five

1061
01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:10,000
million, three hundred and something thousand
views and we have five hundred and fifty

1062
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:15,079
thousand subscribes. So I know you
loved the podcast, and this is going

1063
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:17,800
to be even better because you're going
to hit a whole history of it,

1064
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:24,880
how it evolved, like he's talking
about the Jews and the CIA and different

1065
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:32,640
countries and how it really worked behind
the scenes and with each other in deals

1066
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:38,000
and stuff, whether it was the
government, the CIA, the mafia,

1067
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:43,199
the Jewish Defrench League, the Black
Mafia, or whatever groups there are,

1068
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:48,439
at some time or another that we
were entangled. And that's how this country

1069
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:54,279
became the greatest country in the world. And now we got liberal elites who

1070
01:26:54,359 --> 01:27:00,039
are untangled undo everything that was great
that was done and make it just I

1071
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,520
don't know what they're gonna but it's
I don't know what it will be,

1072
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,960
but I think we'll untangle it and
at least we'll tell you what it's gonna

1073
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,960
be or what it looks like it's
gonna be. So that's about it.

1074
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,800
Jay, you want to say something, just thanks for having me, and

1075
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,239
uh, yeah, it's great to
be here. A great conversation. So

1076
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:20,960
yeah, I'm looking forward to it
okay, great, all right, So

1077
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:26,119
let me end up with my little
thing for my Mexican buddies. Adios,

1078
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:28,159
motherfuckers, Bye bye,