1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,759 Chipping. The way that Donia teaches basically takes a lot of guests. Look, 2 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:11,720 so you talked about different carrying row proportions. Generally I like to teach 3 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:17,679 the pitching which the iron six irons, depending on the cost conditions without about 4 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:21,879 fifty percent carrying roll one third and then one quarter. So for example, 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,839 if I'm faced with a downhill chip that normally requires may eight irons, take 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,839 out the pitching which the key thing is, I put all of them around 7 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:34,799 the same type roll of fun is it? The seven iron is where you 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,520 grip right to the end of the shelf that approximates the putter height. It 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,200 gives you more or less the same feel as you put You want things to 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,000 see more or less consistent. And because you're using a chipping run, the 11 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:52,439 stroke is very very small, the smaller the strokes than left in goal. 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,840 Hi. This is ten sites from Fort Colums, Colorado, and I play 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:03,479 at Mountain Lifter Green. This if golf Smart number eight hundred and four analyzing 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,359 Tony Manzoni's Lost Fundamental Swing method based on Ben Hogan's secret with Justin Tang. 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:15,079 This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf Minds 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,879 to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, 17 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,120 Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Justin thank you, 18 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:30,560 Fred, thanks for the invite again to talk about mister Tony Manzoni. 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,599 Well, you know, it's interesting because you and I have been since the 20 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:40,120 first time you were on the podcast, We've talked a lot about Tony and 21 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:46,200 actually what you've learned from him, because you're the type of instructor that likes 22 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:52,519 to absorb what all the other instructors are talking about and incorporated into the way 23 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,799 you teach golf. And I think that's really amazing and I truly appreciate thank 24 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,879 you for using Golf Smarter is one of your resources. Thanks for it. 25 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,439 I think a lot needs to be fit about golf instruction right There is no 26 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,159 one way. Jack Nickliff didn't write Golf the Way, but he wrote it 27 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,840 my way. He called it Golf my Way. Similarly, mister Benogan wrote 28 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:22,120 the Five Lessons. I like to think that he wrote the Five Lessons more 29 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:28,199 of as a reminder of what he did in his golf thing and not what 30 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:34,400 you should do. Certainly, it provided a framework, a roadmap if you 31 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:39,560 will, for budding golfers looking to improve their technique. But I'm sure a 32 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:46,759 lot of these top golfers flash instructors never meant it to be a prescriptive. 33 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,039 Now, as a golfer instructor, you see golfers of all shapes insides, 34 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:58,520 even if they were of the same physical they mentioned, everyone thinks differently, 35 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:06,800 and therefore, as an instructor, you need to accommodate for all these nuances 36 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:15,800 in physical build and and a cognition. Mental cognition and gold Smarter has helped 37 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,719 me a lot in the sense that it pulled together all these great instructors from 38 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:24,159 around the world. And as an instructor or, all I can do is 39 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:30,039 to learn the various delivery methods. I think most of us are saying more 40 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,199 or less the same thing, right, things like a flat less risk, 41 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:38,960 things like proper weak shift set up. But all the key thing is this, 42 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,280 all of us are seeing it in a different manner. Now, how 43 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:47,520 I describe a proper group and how you describe a proper group maybe entirely different. 44 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,439 My method may resonate with one player, yours would resonate with another. 45 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Now, as an instructor, if you only have one way of doing things 46 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,840 and it doesn't sit well with a student, Then what happens. You can't 47 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:10,759 force the student to do it how to or do it more and somehow hope 48 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,639 that he gets it. Everyone learns differently. I just cannot emphasize that point 49 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:24,439 more well. Also the fact that Golf my way, not Golf the Way, 50 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,959 and also Ben Hogan's book were written a long time ago, and so 51 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,560 much has changed, not just an instruction, but the equipment has changed, 52 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:43,079 the balls have changed. The way courses are maintained is radically different. Then. 53 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,079 You know, if you look at old videos of even when Arnold Palmer 54 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:53,600 was playing, you'll see the greens are not as you know, pristine like 55 00:04:53,759 --> 00:05:00,199 tile floors. Is they as they are today? Yeah? That's good. 56 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,040 So while agronomy has improved a lot while teaching, the tools we used to 57 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:10,800 teach, golf have changed dramatically. The club that we've used to play has 58 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:18,199 changed dramatically, especially the ball. I think a lot of instruction has relatively 59 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:25,600 stayed unchanged. Let me explain a lot of people say that this saying the 60 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,560 more things change, the more things stayed the same. Now on one non 61 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,000 negotiable from way back in time is this, If you land the club in 62 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,399 front of the ball, you will hit the ball and then take the divil. 63 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:44,279 That is non negotiable. There's never going to change in the next hundred 64 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,879 years. All the top players did that, and they did it in a 65 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:56,160 manner that was they achieved that while moving their body in a manner that was 66 00:05:56,879 --> 00:06:01,519 comfortable to them, that was in line with how their bodies would were me 67 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:08,240 if that makes sense at all. So if you look at Benhogan, you 68 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:13,160 look at Jet Nicholas, you look at Arnold Palmer, all great ball strikers, 69 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,600 all great players, all multiple major min it All of them did it 70 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,199 differently. But the one thing that they did demintedly was they struck the ball 71 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:29,160 first ball and then just that doesn't change. Now Tony wrote a great book. 72 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,439 He passed away October twenty eighteen, almost five years now. He wrote 73 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:41,399 this book that was based on Benhogan's A Secret Letter. So apparently someone came 74 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:45,399 in through his door. One of his golfers on the golf course they were 75 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,120 teaching at came in through the door and said, hey, Tony, I've 76 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:53,720 got this letter from Ben Hoogan, and it what the letter from mister Wogan 77 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,519 explaining how he hit his driver and up till then no one really had that 78 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,319 sort of information mister Holden. Now, as Tony watched the video and read 79 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,959 the letter, he realized this thing that mister Holden shifts to his center of 80 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,600 gravity to the left prior to the completion of his backshing. He had to 81 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:20,199 rewatch that over and over again. So modern technology today has confirmed that, 82 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:26,040 hey, all the players, you need to have players, any amateurs, 83 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,040 all their all of them, get their center of pressure less as soon as 84 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:36,279 possible. A lot of indeed players actually say that once they get their shaft 85 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,160 parallel to the ground on the backshing, they feel like they're beginning to sprout 86 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:46,639 their dancing. And Terry Hashimoto, the founder of body Track, a pressure 87 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:55,720 play a pressure mat so two to see how to see where your center of 88 00:07:55,759 --> 00:08:00,920 pressure shifts on the golfing. He's confirmed that also with the pressure trace this. 89 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,920 So that's the amazing thing. Although technology has penny evolved, what the 90 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,680 human body has done is doing hasn't really changed. Technology is just confronting them. 91 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:20,240 So I wouldn't oh the irony, the irony of Tony's video and bo 92 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,519 lost fundamental. Maybe it should be called I don't think we've left at home. 93 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,279 Well, well, you know, we're talking about Tony Manzoni. And 94 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:37,080 the reason we're talking about Tony Manzoni is because, as Justin said, he 95 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,720 passed away in twenty eighteen, and he was a regular on Golf Smarter for 96 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,600 for many, many years. And over the time that he was on twelve 97 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,360 or thirteen times, I would get letters every single time. I'd get emails 98 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,559 every single time of people saying, this guy is figured it out. I 99 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,919 don't know what it is, but he's singing to me. He's like, 100 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,399 you know, it's like being at one of those concerts and he was looking 101 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,519 directly at me. The way Tony was able to explain what he was doing 102 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:16,639 and how he was teaching really resonated with so many listeners in the Golf Smarter 103 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:24,679 community that since he passed, we've started running those episodes again. And when 104 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,200 I like to do it is to open each season. I guess, you 105 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,879 know, the golf seasons really kind of starts picking up in March in April, 106 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,960 so all during March in April, I take all of those episodes and 107 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,879 I run them one week after the other, and we run them on golf 108 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:46,759 smarter Mulligan's. And so when Justin had talked to me and told me how 109 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,000 much he appreciated what Tony was teaching, I thought, what a perfect thing 110 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,240 to do is let's kick off the next Tony Man's only season with some praise 111 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:03,279 on his instruction and maybe even a little bit of insights into what he was 112 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,240 saying. So with all of that explanation, I also want to say that, 113 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:16,240 like when we talked about Ben Hogan, he his stature, his size, 114 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,720 his body was very different than so many amateur golfers. And so even 115 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,799 though what he was doing it was about getting the club, hitting the ball, 116 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,240 then hitting the ground right, having the bottom of your swing in front 117 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,399 of the ball, which is a revelation for so many golfers. Indeed, 118 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:41,919 so instead of Tony, Tony should have caught his book that Pine left fundamental 119 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,519 instead of the Fundamental, because I don't think it was muff at all. 120 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:54,480 And a lot of comparisons have been made between Ben Hogan and for example, 121 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:01,799 Stack until a golfing machine morette I think that theme the csain differences the same 122 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,519 nesses are that a lot of all of them pivot around a single access which 123 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:11,679 is the left hip. But how they do it all of them have some 124 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,879 differences to their method. But the beauty of moving around a single pivot access 125 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,879 is this. It prevents you from making massive weak shifts, massive and movements 126 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:31,919 of the body and the head and allows you to allows your contact point. 127 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,679 The contact point is basically where the club land makes contact in relation to the 128 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,399 ball on the ground. It allows it to stay in front of the ball. 129 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Now, this was very different in the times of mister Hogan, where 130 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,799 the predominant teaching method was to make a massive shift to the right and then 131 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,919 make a massive shift to the left. As you can imagine, as you 132 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,399 start trying to shift your weight right then left, and you don't do it 133 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,120 correctly, you're gonna move the base of your net off the ball and then 134 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:09,159 you're gonna try to move it back on the ball, all in a matter 135 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,559 of one plus second while swinging a heavy clip. I don't think you get 136 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:26,320 very consistent results as that. So Tony's Tony's loves fundamental if you will help 137 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:28,440 a lot of people. The sense it when when you set up with your 138 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,919 weight sixty fourty on the left and it progresses the seven thirty on the top 139 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,559 of the sing you suddenly take one one side of the body out of play. 140 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,200 You're just shifting around like a door around a fixed axis at the door 141 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:52,000 jam. Nothing else moves, so the less moving parts the lest can go 142 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:58,480 wrong. Now, when people start start hitting the ball first before hitting the 143 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,000 ground, it's gonna increase the enjoyment of the game. It's going to create 144 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:07,559 a sense of Hey, you know what, I'm actually quite talented. Let 145 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,519 me start practicing other areas of my game. Or let's try the love of 146 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,919 fundamental on this short game, which is Tony's big thing. Tony was always 147 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,399 let's get let's get you doing the shorter lower strings correct before you progressed. 148 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:28,759 Let's talk a little bit about Tony's approach to teaching, Pony. All Right, 149 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,200 we're gonna but we're gonna do Tony's approach to teaching. But you know 150 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,080 what I've got to do. We gotta take a time out. We'll be 151 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:46,000 right back. All right, justin and just to make sure that people understand 152 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,440 that you're in Singapore. If I am and a golf smarter listener and an 153 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,080 instructor there at at a country club in Singapore, correct, Yes, I'm 154 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,360 based out of the Tanamera Country Club tonight. I want to go back to 155 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:09,799 getting more deeply into the sixty forty concept. Can you explain it a little 156 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,240 bit more so that we really understand what it meant. Yeah, So, 157 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,840 Tony always wanted students to set up with small week on the left link or 158 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,399 the neat side for left handed golfers, and the whole idea was to rotate 159 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,840 around the left hip pocket. Now, if you did that correctly, you're 160 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,799 going to feel that your right side, the right side of your body is 161 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,200 very light. You're not going to put any pressure on your right foot, 162 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,120 You're the base of your neck is not going to shift older the right knee. 163 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,559 Now that there's absolutely a key to hitting has just been shot for most 164 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:50,639 golfers. Certainly a lot of golfers will take videos pictures of pop professionals. 165 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,159 They say, hey, look this guy shifted your hit way to the right. 166 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,879 Well, if you did, it's undeniable that fy V golfer actually shifted 167 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:07,200 their pressure to the right side. But you got to understand their background. 168 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,200 They've been doing this since they were five years old, and they've been doing 169 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,879 every day. So that level of coordination that they've trained in their body started 170 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,000 at a very young age for a very long time. You've picked up golf 171 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,919 in your late forties or thirties as the case, maybe it's not going to 172 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:30,879 happen the path. Your path is very different from the golfer. So there 173 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:35,039 are always exceptions. So there will be some golfers who say, hey, 174 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,360 I've tried Tony's method, didn't work for me. Again, there will be 175 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:43,879 exception. And Tony never said. Tony never said you do this, you're 176 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,080 gonna be a scratch golfer. But what I'll say is this, Tony had 177 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:56,000 a very exceptional track record as a college coach. I beneath. He taught 178 00:15:56,039 --> 00:16:00,519 for twenty nine years at the College of the College of the Desert, and 179 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:08,000 he walked away with five state community championships and twenty eight other type of conference 180 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:15,200 type of I believe, Yeah, they won the conference championship twenty eight. 181 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:21,879 That's correct. So this this method I have should did they use method? 182 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:29,240 This system that Tony was teaching, as we will get into shortly produced results 183 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,840 over a long period of time. This wasn't a get rich quick scheme or 184 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:41,279 lose fifty pounds overnight type scheme. It stood. It stood the test of 185 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:48,159 time, and as we mentioned earlier in the episode, modern technology has confirmed 186 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:55,840 whatever Tony has if teaching from mister ben Holden's love letters. So a lot 187 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:03,559 needs to be fit about that. So while Tony thought this system, he 188 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,839 also wanted you to have your own signature about it. If you look at 189 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:15,039 Tony's teachings on the DVD as well as the book that's available on Amazon. 190 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,720 He was never prescriptive about most other things in the golf sing. He certainly 191 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:27,960 didn't prescribe a particular grip. He didn't prescribe a particular look about this thing. 192 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,319 It was all about principles. He was happy to let you use your 193 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,000 own grip, whatever let's felt, whatever felt comfortable to you. So if 194 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:44,599 you are a golfer that is predisposed to having a strong grip underhanded grip, 195 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,000 then just need to know that your back string is going to be flatter than 196 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,480 a guy who has a more on the top grip, and consequently there will 197 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:57,359 be slight differences in the look of your string and also in the pressure you 198 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,079 put in the ground as the result of But the principles stay is this team. 199 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,240 So the principle that this set up with your B sixty fourteen on your 200 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,559 left side. Now, the next thing you want to think about is this 201 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:15,279 if if for the listeners they are listening to this, let's just put our 202 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:22,640 hands around our body as though we were hugging ourselves and just made a turn 203 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:27,440 to your right while keeping your right side light. So as you turn to 204 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,519 your right side, you want to feel that you're wait increases in the proportion 205 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:40,039 of seventies to the left and thirty to the right. Now, if you 206 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,839 do that, you will feel that the base of the net leven really shift 207 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,599 this way. It doesn't shift to the right, so it doesn't shift the 208 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,319 right. You don't have to bring it back to the And you also notice 209 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:56,559 that your shoulder turn is not as big as you would think it necessary. 210 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:02,440 It's certainly not ninety three or one hundred degrees or one hundred and twenty degrees 211 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,400 that the case may be. Now we're going to take our hands off our 212 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,160 chat. Now we're just going to put our left arm across the chest. 213 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Now, this is the key thing. This is the backswing that Tony that 214 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:22,079 Tony taught. Once you're in your setup, as you take your backswing while 215 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,319 keeping your right side light, you just want to pull your left arm across 216 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,680 your chest. That creates a connection between the left upper arm and the left 217 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,359 pectoral muscle. Now, as you do that, notice that you're left pump 218 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,640 is more or less pointing up that thous us that the faith they didn't fan 219 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:48,359 open and they didn't close on the back fin. So the club faith is 220 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:55,960 basically controlled by the inclination of the torso and the rotation of it. As 221 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,920 you Now, as you take a golf club and make you're saying, you'll 222 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,279 see that the blade should stay fairly square. That tells us is all you 223 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,599 continue, all of you. If all you do on the dancing and mean 224 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:18,880 and do not disrupt the inclination of the cup phase in relation to your torsore, 225 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,759 it's probably going to get a pretty square face at impact. So these 226 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:30,440 are again principles. Now, what was holgan pepret Everyone said that he had 227 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:36,759 a secret A couple of breasts. But this is the secret as interpreted by 228 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:45,640 Tony mister Hogan tailbone when to the left of the target just prior to the 229 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:49,079 completion of dispatching, that was the move. That is the move that's going 230 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:56,680 to move your center of your weight distribution fifty forty, etcnt the bad f 231 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,680 and at impact you want to have eighty percent of your week on the left 232 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,400 side, twenty percent on the right side. If you finish, it's gonna 233 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:18,240 be ninety ten. So wow. As listeners incorporate this, he could in 234 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,079 their game and did, They're saying, they will notice that the contact point 235 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:29,000 where the club makes contact with the ground ball more often than not be ahead 236 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,559 of the ball. You're gonna you're gonna create a one to call a hit 237 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:40,720 and run accident with the club face against the golf ball. You will shoot 238 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,119 the ball first and then they divid You will automatically have a flat left wrist. 239 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,200 At impact, you will automatically have sharpening. And this is highny. 240 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:55,960 This is critical. A lot of golfers take a an eight iron, they 241 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:02,559 add loss to it, They increase sharpening, so it decreased sharftly into the 242 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,039 right side. The eight iron becomes a pitching which if they woven took an 243 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:12,400 eight iron, it increased shaft lean towards the target. The eight iron became 244 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,920 a seven iron. Nothing about this. Right, when you start needing the 245 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,759 shaft forward the street spot, the sip of six nine of the club fix. 246 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,599 But to make contact with the ball, you lean the shaft that lets 247 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,759 you're going to make contact on the first and second groove of the golf club. 248 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:34,160 This is why mister Holden and tell pros any amateurs, the air ball 249 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:41,359 flight takes on a totally different trajectory from the average golfer. Just street spot 250 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:47,079 contest, just physics. So if you start doing the lost fundamental, you're 251 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,920 going to experience this more and more. Now, don't get excited and say, 252 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,599 hey, let's go out, get me a small bucket of balls, 253 00:22:52,960 --> 00:23:00,359 take a six iron, start doing it. Doesn't work that way, So 254 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,279 how do we do it again? Tony was a big advocate of starting small. 255 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:10,720 He would first get you to do the lost fundamental while chipping, so 256 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:17,480 he advocated the chip and run putting. The lost style advocated using nine, 257 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:22,240 eight, seven and six iron from around the tween. Now againstead of in 258 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:27,400 the same manner sixty forty bias to the left, crept down on the call 259 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,279 an eight iron, nine iron, stand the shaft up as common in those 260 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,519 days. Again, coming back in Vote one Tour, if you stand the 261 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:44,440 shaft, you will find it. If the soul on the toe end of 262 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,759 the club, they make contact that they clown. You get a very tiny 263 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:52,400 footprint as opposed to putting the entire club underground. Let me just get a 264 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,039 club for your thing. M hm. No, this is this is one 265 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,799 of my secret weapons that I talk about a lot. Is how Tony taught 266 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:07,000 me to to to bring the shaft more upright. Yeah, and have the 267 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,880 toe down correct when you're chipping, just to get the ball onto the green 268 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,960 and rolling. Yeah. So look at this right, this is the entire 269 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:23,200 soul against the ground. Have you standing up the very tiny footprint. It's 270 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:29,960 very hot to stop the chip shots in there and when you when you do 271 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,119 that, you're gonna make contact with the pole stud of the club face. 272 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,559 You minimize black spin. It produces a very predictable roll of the ball. 273 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,079 That's the That's one of the main issues with the amateur spind they start chipping, 274 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,319 they get too much soft lean, create too much ball speet. So 275 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,920 your ball speet and your ball spin, when I say they do not match, 276 00:24:53,519 --> 00:25:00,079 you get a very unpredictable outcome. So all right, listen another time 277 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,319 out and then and then I want to come back and talk a little bit 278 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:11,680 more about what most of us do as recreational amateur players, how we approached 279 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,759 chipping onto the green and how we're approaching it wrong. But we're going to 280 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:27,440 do that after this again, we're just reliving the lessons of Tony Manzoni with 281 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:33,559 Justin Tang, who was introduced to Tony Manzoni by Golf Smarter. I mean, 282 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,200 it's not like you ever had a chance to meet him. You only 283 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,400 got to hear him the show. But you read his book, You've you've 284 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,880 watched his video. You know this idea of chipping up onto the green with 285 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,680 a eight seven eight nine iron by bringing the shaft more upright instead of leaning 286 00:25:53,680 --> 00:26:00,160 it back and being up on the toe of the club. The point of 287 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,319 this, and I think that a lot of people try to fly the ball 288 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,359 as close to the hole as they can and hope it stops, but they 289 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,119 don't know how to do that. And most instructors that I've spoken to about 290 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,200 chipping onto the green is you want to use as much as the putting surface 291 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359 as you possibly can. You want to get the ball onto the green as 292 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,200 quickly as you can, but you may not necessarily want to put from off 293 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,519 the green because that rough. Whether it's the first or second cut that you're 294 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,839 putting over is pretty unpredictable. You may not know you know what you're going 295 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,599 to get. So you want to get the ball just slightly over that, 296 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,039 get onto the green as soon as possible, and let it roll as long 297 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:45,279 as you can. Now, the longer, I should say, the lower 298 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,119 the club numbers. So of a seven iron, it's going to roll a 299 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,880 lot longer than a nine or a pitching wedge because of the loft of the 300 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:59,920 club. Correct. Okay, so I've interpreted this properly. Yeah, games 301 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,799 really interesting. This is why I tell both of my players the information that's 302 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,920 in the short game is at least three times that of the man game. 303 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:15,240 Wow. And another thing that I have to my players is let's get it 304 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,440 high off the tea and low around the green. That's great, So low 305 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,319 around the greens we always start. Can I put it? If I can't, 306 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,079 Can I chip it around it? If I can't, I've got to 307 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:33,119 pitch it and your lob birds, your your flop shot. That really only 308 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:41,759 for emergency purposes. It's a shot of last result. Short game is where 309 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:48,279 you get to express yourself, your creativity. I use and use all sorts 310 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:55,160 of grips but there are three different heights to crip the club depending on the 311 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:03,640 required shot at hand. So chipping chipping the way that Tony teaches basically takes 312 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:11,240 a lot of guests foot. So you talked about different carrying row proportions. 313 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,839 Generally I like to teach it this way. I use the pitching with a 314 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:22,759 iron six iron, depending on the cost conditions without the ABU fifty percent carrying 315 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,400 roll one third and then one quarter. So for example, if um basically 316 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,400 downhill chip that normally requires may eight iron, probably take out the pitching. 317 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,599 Which the key thing is I prep all of them around the same type roll 318 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,640 of thumb. Is that the seven iron is where you grip right to the 319 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,680 end of the shop. That approximates the putter hype. It gives you more 320 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,680 or less the same feel as your butter. You want things to see more 321 00:28:53,759 --> 00:29:00,279 or less conscious bent. And because you're using a chipping run, this stroke 322 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200 is very very small, the smaller the stroke than left in golong. And 323 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,799 because it's so, is it more like a is it more like a putting 324 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,559 stroke? Yeah? Actual swing. That's great. The great Raymond Floyd called 325 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:19,119 it putting with loft. Yeah, I thought it set up with the shot 326 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,880 as though you're going to make it. But the only difference is this, 327 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,079 you want to lean this shop a little bit more forward and just make it 328 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,400 butping stroke, try to get contact on the tour of the clock. You'd 329 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:38,839 be surprised with how effective this shot can be. So when when you're making 330 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,799 a chip and run stroke in the manner that Tony taught, it's going to 331 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,559 be really slow. Now when it's slow, here's the magic. And it's 332 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,400 slow, you're able to feel the lost fundamental looking for you, theft the 333 00:29:52,480 --> 00:30:00,559 thing ring. Everyone conceptually gets the idea of the lost fundamental. They think, 334 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,000 because I know it, I can execute it. That as far from 335 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,319 the truth as it gets. Now think about this. I'm right handed. 336 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:17,039 I certainly know how to write as it with tiny sixth elphebe, but that 337 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,720 does not mean I can immediately pick up a pin with my left hand and 338 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,839 right it at the same speed of my right hand. Just doesn't work that 339 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,960 way. There is a process where your brain and your body has to go 340 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:41,039 through. It's creating a habit essentially, before you can execute the various mortal 341 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:47,079 movement pattern at more or less the same speed as your dominant hand Now if 342 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,039 it took me, I'm forty three years. Year, it took me forty 343 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:56,400 three years to do a certain to reach a certain proficiency of a certain task, 344 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,200 It's not going to take me just six months of hard work on my 345 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,960 non dominance like to reach that same level of proficiency. Once you have felt 346 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,680 the lost fundamental and you can execute it at a fairly good speed with your 347 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:17,160 chipping stroke, then Tony would want you to move on to the pitch shop. 348 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,640 So again, nothing else changes. Sixty forty on the leartht The only 349 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:32,400 difference is you're gould use a fifty six or fifty four degree. Now you 350 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,319 are able to move your left arm so that it's parallel to the ground on 351 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:42,480 the tapshing. How As you do that, you're gonna incorporate a little bit 352 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:47,039 more of the weight shift that we've talked about and get your sensor of gravity. 353 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:53,039 Move it so that your weight distribution and siventy thirty on the left foot. 354 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:02,079 Again, the speed and the length of the pitch shot if considerably lower 355 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:07,319 than that of the full sin if you worked through it and feel the loft 356 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:13,519 fundamental, which again is simply shifting a center of vity the left pride of 357 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:20,440 the completion of your back sin. You have a better chun of adressing this 358 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,920 more when you try to make a full sin with Heaven nine and then perhaps 359 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:32,680 if the trisa or if three would Tony was I don't want to say obsessed 360 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:42,039 with, but he spent so much time studying and analyzing everything he could about 361 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,160 Ben Hogan and his swing because he just loved I think he even got to 362 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:53,200 see Ben Hogan play once, probably more than once, and he You know, 363 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,319 there's so many times that I've talked to instructors who said, you know, 364 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:05,279 I've figured out ben Hogan's secret, and everyone had a different interpretation. 365 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:12,039 Yeah, everyone seemed to be onto something. Yes, I would say Tony 366 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,640 is one of the few instructors that they saw mister Googan make that shoot the 367 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:22,640 left. But here's an interesting bit right we mentioned earlier about the other treat 368 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:30,720 While mister Hogan had a secret, my interpretation decides this the sensitive gravity moves 369 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:36,000 that he knew his string, he knew the various components, he matched them 370 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,920 up to make it his string. I think that was his genius. I 371 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,759 see too many good golfers these days. They go out own to copy this 372 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,799 guy. Adam Scott copy thy would sing, but hey, you're you're built 373 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,680 that Yan Musnum. While you trying to copy here this left type of sin, 374 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:58,920 it just doesn't make sense. So if you're six foot four, I 375 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,799 think you shouldn't copy the look of ben Hoogen swing. That's why I tell 376 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,480 a student, I can help you hit it like Ben Holden. I may 377 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,880 not be able to make you look like Ben Holden. There's a chromatic distinction 378 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:17,840 there. I can help you hit a power feel. Tell me what you 379 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,119 exactly that that difference. Go into detail on that when you talk about there's 380 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,679 a dramatic difference there. So, mister Hogan, how you hit the ball, 381 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,079 very strong trajectory, power feel right, hit the ball before you hit 382 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,199 the cliff. I can help you do those things. But if you if 383 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,840 you want your swing they look like ben Holden's, I may not be able 384 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,320 to do that for you. A good starting point if if you built like 385 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,280 a Davis Love and you try to swing like at Ben Hoogen, You're not 386 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:57,000 gonna look like Ben Hoogen at all. From the from the videos that I've 387 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:01,719 analyzed, it looks like mister Hogan's were his spring spent. If you were 388 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,840 to stand in a crucifix position and you measured him from finger tip to finger 389 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,559 tip, it looks like it's more or less the same as you's. Like. 390 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,280 Now, if you're a guy like me who got arms like an ad 391 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,360 very long arm, it's not going to look the same. At the top 392 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,639 of my back thing, my arms are going to be further behind me than 393 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,639 mister Hoogan. That means I've got to get them out in front again, 394 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,440 so I've got that extra move to make. Now, it's my instructor doesn't 395 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,159 teach me to make that extra move, or physically I'm unable to do it 396 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,840 or coordinate it. Mentally, I'm not going to be able to play decent 397 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,840 goal because I'm not swinging according to my DNA. Everyone has a particular DNA. 398 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,719 How you rotate on your back string, which side you feeither, whether 399 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,239 you head moves right or left or up and down. All these have predisposition. 400 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,239 How you grip the club, all these are predisposition. You do a 401 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,559 simple test like this, you can see me goes above the right shoulder. 402 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:07,800 I've got some students who are here that tells you where you're armed should be, 403 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,920 what kind of plain you should be using on your vac sine whether it's 404 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,280 high track above the right shoulder, medium trap at the right shoulder, or 405 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:27,400 lower trap, and your transition all are determined by your your anatomical proportion in 406 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:34,199 relation to one body part to another. You've got a longer tosso versus a 407 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:38,000 shorter tosso, how you look like when you addressed the ball hold selection is 408 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,760 all going to look different for me. For example, if if I'm not 409 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,960 mindful of my longer arms, and I go go to the golf shop and 410 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,880 just pick a set of clubs off the rent, off the shelf, I'm 411 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 not going to play good golf. I need shorter clups. So guys were 412 00:36:55,559 --> 00:37:00,840 longer armed, That's sorry, guys were shorter. You need longer and slept 413 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:07,039 the life. The way I explain it, it sounds logical, but a 414 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:14,920 lot of people don't think like that, and they are things that All right, 415 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,599 we're gonna take we're gonna take another time out. Sorry to interrupt you. 416 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,519 I'm gonna take our last time out. We want to come back and 417 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,760 start talking about the full thing. Just picking up right where you left off. 418 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,320 Yeah, the full swing. We'll be right back. The main reason 419 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,920 I wanted to bring Justin on this week's episode is because this Friday is the 420 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,000 renewal of our two months of episodes featuring our conversations with Tony Manzoni, whom 421 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:44,079 we lost to cancer in twenty eighteen. As you've heard me say, and 422 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,480 as you can tell by Justin's praise, Tony's lessons and appearances on Golf Smarter 423 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:57,559 received more reaction from golfers around the world than any of the five hundred plus 424 00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:02,679 teachers we featured, And because he was not very Internet or social media savvy, 425 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,920 there's really no place other than Golf Smarter and this podcast where you can 426 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:13,559 learn what made him so special. So this Friday on Golf Smarter Mulligans, 427 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,960 we kick off nine consecutive episodes dating back to twenty ten, but our first 428 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,039 one is actually from twenty fourteen, when Tony talked about a letter from Ben 429 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:30,519 Hogan that reveals his secret that became an obsession with Tony NFL walk in my 430 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,039 office and tell me would you like a copy of a letter that Ben Hogan 431 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,199 wrote by explaining how to hit the driver. He had some private film that 432 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920 he had jaken and no one had actually seen him been Hogan swing. I 433 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,400 almost jumped to his lap. The first thing I noticed was that Hogan, 434 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,800 on the top of the back swim, his weight shifts to the instep of 435 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,480 his left foot, and when I read it, I thought, watching he 436 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,119 means the instep of his right foot. And then I watched the film and 437 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:59,320 it was very obvious that he was staying on his left side sixty forty through 438 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,320 all the back swing, and I think, when you really center your head 439 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,320 to the golf ball, you must be a little bit more on the left 440 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,840 side of the right side. I noticed that as right dipp was aligned on 441 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,360 the inside of his right foot, and I just noticed that when he swung, 442 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,880 he rotated his shoulders around the spine, and his shoulders really were more 443 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:22,159 level than his earlier swings. And the film that I had was after the 444 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,519 accident. That's really when he said, I'm going to start playing off the 445 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,440 left side. That's golf Smarter. Mulligan's episode two hundred, number one of 446 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,320 nine, featuring our friend and mentor Tony Manzoni. Stay tuned to the end 447 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,039 of this episode or check the show notes to learn how to get Tony's book 448 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:44,519 The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move, Better Golf Forever and gain access to 449 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:49,360 his video of the same name. Please subscribe for free to or a sister 450 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,320 podcast that revisits the best of the Golf Smarter podcast called Golf Smarter Mulligans, 451 00:39:54,679 --> 00:40:06,880 being released every Friday from wherever you're listening right now. One of the things 452 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,719 that Tony really impressed upon me over and over again was keeping your arm attached 453 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,920 to your left for a right handed golfer, to your left pack or your 454 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,119 left hit. As he would say to um, keep it connected as you're 455 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:28,280 making your swing, as you're making your full swing. So when you make 456 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,960 the golfing thing about it, if and integrate the motion like all other spots. 457 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,280 You don't hear a separation of arm the thin, but you don't hear 458 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,880 the arm body debating other spot if not even a thing. It's only in 459 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,320 golf. Oh no, I you feel that the swinging of the arms, 460 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,639 but you know what you're stinging with your entire body. If you throw a 461 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,079 Jevlin, you're not gonna just you your arms and throw the income. And 462 00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:01,599 if the Jelyn fun better go very far thinking about this as an integrated motion. 463 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,800 But the same time, instruction must be relative relative to what you feel. 464 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,079 So if if the student came to me and he presents a certain motion, 465 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,199 I might tell that the student, Hey, you know what, just 466 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,960 feel that you're using all armed or all body as the case me being based 467 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:29,519 on what I've seen hearing too in person. So we talk about being the 468 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:34,239 left arm acraft the chief that simply allows the body to look in an integrated 469 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,880 manner. A lot of the beginning of offers, they certainly just used arms 470 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,840 just to motivate the club hit. Now, golf swing is not about singing 471 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,079 the club hit. The golf swing is about swinging the entire club. If 472 00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:52,239 you think of swinging just the club hit, unless risk is going to bend 473 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,920 like there's gonna den like this, you start adding loft. But if you 474 00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,360 think of swinging the entire club, now the left the left arm stay is 475 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,199 connected to the chest. How important is this when you're um wrestling right, 476 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,800 If you're just using the the rotation of your upper arm, you show the 477 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,880 soccket you're going to lose a lot of unwrestling matches. But if you use 478 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,239 your so called body weight, you're going to win more than your fair share 479 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:32,079 of unwrestling matches. So the same excuse me is the same principle, but 480 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,119 of keeping the left arm across the chest, and it also maintains the square 481 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:44,920 clop. Say there is no independent articulation of the elbow joint, no excessive 482 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:52,280 le arm supernation or extension of the left wrist where you cut it, flip 483 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,719 the club, none of that. And when you do that, the whole 484 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,719 thing actually feels much slower then you think it should be. No, when 485 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,239 you have the less arm across the chest and you make one enough golf thing, 486 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,320 call it while your arm and your body, I'm making one revolution. 487 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,039 Because of the law of the level, You've got a very long level or 488 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,119 left arm straight in line with the club. Show the speed the mouth per 489 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:28,039 hour at the end of the head. It's higher than if you had bent 490 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,679 your lever. So while you feel slower, the speed is actually much higher 491 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,519 because of the unbroken lever. A lot of people go it doesn't doesn't feel 492 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,119 right, and say, hey, give this a show, And then when 493 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,880 they do it correctly, they go it, Hey, I'm actually hitting the 494 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,360 ball the same distance, if not further, with the same effort. They 495 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,280 say, hey, golf becomes much easier that way. Well, because because 496 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,480 you're using the club in the way that the manufacturer intended to be used. 497 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,000 If they're a place for flipping, yeah around they been flap shot, good 498 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,280 shot, but that these are the only places where you actually one it cut 499 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:19,199 left with impact or extended left with that impact. So there is the time 500 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,559 and place for everything. It's it picks a wisdom to know when do you 501 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:30,239 use eeting. Everything is permissible, but is it the time for it? 502 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:37,559 Right? Right? A lot of people will compare stack until to a Tony 503 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:42,719 did, what would you how do you compare the two? And what would 504 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,679 you say to people about that? So it's just like stack and tell the 505 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,719 way Tony did it. So again the thing that says of this right there, 506 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:57,119 they encourage a e golf thing that's based up one axis. That's that's 507 00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:04,239 where the differences end. So Tony flash with the Hogan encourage a more old 508 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:13,079 election of the torso it's set up and the back sing back until it is 509 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:20,079 a little bit different. They encouraging more, they encourage more extension of the 510 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,559 upper tosso on the back swing. So when you look at these two, 511 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,639 when when you look at two golfers one doing a lot of fundamental undering stack 512 00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:37,119 in two, you will see that from face on the stack and tilt golfer 513 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,679 will have shipped the less side of his body more in a straight line, 514 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:49,920 whereas the ben Hogan will have his spine tilted slightly more to the red side. 515 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:53,920 So that's the away from the away from the target, away from the 516 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,519 target. And again you can see this on the than the PD of that 517 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:05,639 you're going to spend the Yeah, but all of them. So again these 518 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:13,559 are these are the main differences. But depending on your your your build, 519 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:19,800 how you you you see and preceive certain things in the golf thing. If 520 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,719 stack and still looks so you and helps you get a flat left rist and 521 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,800 get your contact point in front of the ball, great. I think a 522 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:34,599 lot needs to be shipped about adapting various systems to shoot yourself. I certainly 523 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,880 don't want to demonize any methods or a single I say this is the only 524 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,960 way or this is not the way, because for every ten golfers that they 525 00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,320 tastill doesn't work for me, I can show you another ten guys that work 526 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,599 or that that can still look for you. You show me five guys with 527 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,480 say I've got foot blinks stack, and I'll show you five did your third 528 00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:02,679 pass. Who is it? This is the best thing for that decks any 529 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:12,559 mythshit, well enjail you if you don't do it correctly, well said, 530 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,400 I get. I frequently will get emails from people saying, so you've had, 531 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,639 you know, so many different people on what method do you use? 532 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,519 And it's like all of them, you know, it's like, I don't 533 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:29,239 incorporate. I take bits and pieces of everything and every that I learn and 534 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,760 everyone that I talk to, and some I incorporate more than others, and 535 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,199 some I'll try it and if it's not working, I just I'll not use 536 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,159 it anymore. Doesn't mean that it's not right, And that's that's part of 537 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,840 my position here on the show is that I'm not a PGA professional, so 538 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,360 I'm not here to judge whether what this person wants to teach is correct or 539 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,480 incorrect. What I want to do is put it out there, let the 540 00:47:54,519 --> 00:48:00,559 audience absorb it and use it or not use it aside for themselves if it's 541 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:07,079 valid or not valid. And if you don't like it, come back next 542 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,599 week you're gonna probably hear something completely different. Yeah, that's just the thing 543 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,840 and the thing right, he has missed the right just not right now. 544 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:22,920 So a lot of a lot of concepts that you see discussed in golf media. 545 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,800 Yeah right, but are they right for you? Again, there's not 546 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:34,840 so much about about whether it's correct. It's it's relatives doesn't resonate with you. 547 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:39,719 That's the thing. I discussed this with some other instructors before I say, 548 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,280 there's only one non negotiable in the golf thing that every one of us 549 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,320 can agree upon. It's not how you set up, because you can look 550 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,519 at set up and you spectrum it. Some guys am we right, some 551 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,000 guys am we left. Some they have a very neat grip, some have 552 00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,840 a very strong grip. Vex things again and other another area where that a 553 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,039 ton of spectruming can be done. You've got a met wolf vatching, and 554 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,360 then on the other end you've got a rieky fouler vatching. In fact, 555 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:14,280 another area where there's a lot of spectruming. You got guys up on their 556 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:20,320 toes, guys like Dustin Johnson, more more squatted, more rotated, then 557 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,440 right arm wakin emon metoperera, and then you've got on the other end you've 558 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:30,800 got guys who like Brian Gay fully extended Ben because there's food fully extended, 559 00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:38,440 so lots of spectrumming at P seven impact. But one thing that all these 560 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,280 guys can agree upon it they're trying to do. But the club hit the 561 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,239 land flightly in front of the ball, so that we hit the ball and 562 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,960 then to that is non negotiable. So what I do with students there generally 563 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,599 the let's trying to make a sound in front of the ball using the club 564 00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,360 hit. Now, how you do that? What you look right? When 565 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,000 you do that? It's going to be different from the guy in the next 566 00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,559 third b. But the key thing is this all of you are should doing 567 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,320 the ball firth and then taking a difference and then from there, now we've 568 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:20,400 got a pretty decent cannabis to work around. Then we start optimizing certain things. 569 00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:22,599 If your grips suitable for you, we put them through a battery of 570 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:28,719 test, if the ground forces that you use a compatible with your for example, 571 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:36,679 if you're anchoring all these things compatible, and then we start this journey 572 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:42,119 to what's optimizing your golf friend, But we never lose sight of the non 573 00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:49,039 negotiable. Not fundamentals could be one of the systems that I use the Staton 574 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,480 to. It could also be one of the systems that use the right side. 575 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,639 That sin could also be one of the sisters that I use. But 576 00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:00,719 I never lose that these are merely delivery methods of helping me get the student 577 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,400 be the non negotiable. Now when I am able to do this with students, 578 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:14,199 they are what I calls stinging according to the DNA. And when you 579 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:19,280 swing according to your DNA, it's very difficult to forget on the first team. 580 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,800 Now, if you're predisposed to making a little shift to the right hand, 581 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,119 found there and say you've got to go stack and tilt all or by 582 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,519 feversa on the first day, you're going to be confused. But if your 583 00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:36,920 found according to your DNA and say, hey, ball to the target, 584 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,079 and then I need to get ball to the target. I need the clock 585 00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:42,559 hit. You may have found in front of the ball. How difficult is 586 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:49,519 that? Just stick in the implement after this thread, Just take a stick 587 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,960 and make a sound against the topet. You will see that your body yourself 588 00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:00,360 all the night and do whatever it's necessary to carry out the intention. Not 589 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,519 difficult this thing. I think of the golf club as a golf club, 590 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,800 because when you do that, you suddenly have this a lot of preconceived idea 591 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,519 about what you should do with the club, but instead just look at it 592 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:20,320 as a state, make a sound against it. If you're right, I'm 593 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,000 street then so if you get if you have to do it with more rotation 594 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:30,440 of the tosso so we but let's get that non negotiable going fast. And 595 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:38,960 then because optimizing the other component the golf thing excellent excellent advice. Well again, 596 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,079 um Justin has put together a really nice PDF that honors Tony Manzoni, 597 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:52,960 but it also goes deep into um what he's learned from Tony and also comparing 598 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:58,440 it to stack until that he's been teaching for quite a while. And I 599 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:04,400 am going to put this all on this PDF. I'll make this available on 600 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,559 the blog post at Golfsmarter dot com for this episode, and also we'll make 601 00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:15,320 sure to remind everybody that Tony's book is available on Amazon. We've been able 602 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,239 to get it republished and it's available on kindle format as well. It's called 603 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,360 The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move, Better Golf Forever. And if you're 604 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,039 interested in the DVD that he created that's no longer in print as well, 605 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:32,159 but here Golf Smarter is the only place you're going to be able to find 606 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,199 it. We have a link for it on a private YouTube channel that we 607 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440 can get it out to you as well. So we really look forward to 608 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:45,559 having all of you reach out and start listening to Golf Smarter mulligans and you'll 609 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,039 hear Tony Manzona, you'll get if you have not heard him before, you're 610 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,840 going to understand what we're talking about. And if you have, you're going 611 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,159 to be glad you're listening to it again because we always find a new nugget 612 00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,840 whenever you're listening to too. Justin thanks so much for your time, your 613 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,360 patients, and your energy and putting this together. Than do you mind if 614 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,119 I complain about a good thing. The bad weather that's gripping the US these 615 00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:17,400 days has delivered more rain in northern California than we've had in years. The 616 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:22,119 great thing is that we really really need the water and the snow that has 617 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:29,119 been absent during this state's driest period on record. But it's really been tough 618 00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,280 to get out and play, at least for a weather wimp like me. 619 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,960 I can hear so many of you in the northern states of the Continental us 620 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,239 rolling your eyes and yelling at me to shut up, because every year you 621 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,840 have to wait anywhere from four to eight months to get out and play in 622 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,239 short sleeves. So I apologize to you and want you to know that I 623 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,639 understand and feel your pain. But a couple of weeks ago we had a 624 00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:58,840 break for a few days and I got to go out for a full round 625 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:04,320 it one of my favorite and most challenging courses, Foxtail North in Sonoma County. 626 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,400 Again, I've not played regularly since November and having practice in my yard 627 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,519 that much either. Well, the rounds started out pretty well, getting pars 628 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,760 on number one and number two. Number three is a par three that I 629 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,760 hit a low shot that actually rolled up and gave me a shot at birdie, 630 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:28,400 which I made. Number four a par five, great drive, laid 631 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,199 up for position, and then I overshot the green by about four yards on 632 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,800 my third shot, but actually chipped in for birdie. Okay, two under 633 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,679 after four holes. Yeah, I shot a thirty nine on the front, 634 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,679 but then it all went downhill, scoring a fifty one on the back. 635 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,559 There was something weird going on there because I couldn't get the yardage on my 636 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:57,840 club's right. So I went to my local club fitter last week, who's 637 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,639 also a playing partner, and asked him to check the lie angle of each 638 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:06,760 of my irons, especially my five, seven, and nine irons. First 639 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,159 thing he noticed was that the shaft on my seven was bent. Okay, 640 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,920 now we're getting somewhere. And while I was there, I mentioned that I 641 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,199 was considering taking the four hybrid out of my bag and replacing it with a 642 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,239 five wood. We started testing different fairway woods and he asked me when the 643 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:29,280 last time I was fitted. It was actually about nine years ago that we 644 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,559 put a four wood and a new driver in my bag. He then observed 645 00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:37,639 that he'd played enough times with me to know that my swing and my game 646 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,840 has evolved since then, and it was time to replace the four wood with 647 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,960 a three wood and that hybrid with a five wood because I was hitting some 648 00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:51,440 of the new clubs about twenty yards longer than the old ones. So I'm 649 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,360 hoping to get my new clubs and some new shafts later today, but we've 650 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,880 got rain predicted for the next two weeks, so I won't be able to 651 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,079 report in my prog us until things warm up, and they better warm up 652 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:07,519 soon. Because I've got a trip to Bandon Dune schedule for June and want 653 00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:12,079 to make sure I'm playing to my potential. And yes, I'll be doing 654 00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:15,880 at least one episode on Bandoned Dunes in the next few months. Stay tuned 655 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,480 for that. 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