WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:07.440 Hudson River Radio dot com. And now it's time to listen to one of 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:15.679 my personal favorites. It's the Hallelujah Tabernacle Choir with their beautiful rendition of you 3 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:47.799 are having my baby? How does Sassie Jot from the Airsberry Jukes? Hey, 4 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.439 this is Tom Chapin. Hello. Did you speaking in Rock and Roll 5 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:57.240 History Show? You're listening right now? Hey, everybody, welcome back to 6 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.200 the Rock and Roll History Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horrowitz. 7 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.920 We have a weird topic tonight that I'm gonna let somebody else try and explain. 8 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.159 But before we get to that, as always, allow me to introduce 9 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:15.640 all the crambones joining us here tonight. First and foremost from the Richter Observatory. 10 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:21.319 He thinks the knight who invented King Arthur's round table was probably named sircumference. 11 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:26.159 Neil Richter is here. Oh and by the way, I am not 12 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:33.480 having your baby. I had to say, Neil, if you think back 13 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:42.079 real hard, I never asked. That's not on the radar. No worries 14 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:47.400 there. The host of Paranormally yours. She says that you can't hear a 15 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.920 terror dactyl go to the bathroom because the pa is silent. Yale Nukeam is 16 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.879 with us, yell yes it is that it is. From the silver screen, 17 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.480 she saw penguin walk into a bar and asked the bartender, has my 18 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:04.840 brother been in here for a drink? And the bartender says, I'm not 19 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.080 sure? What does he look like? Mercedes can't? Is here? Him? 20 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:15.719 Mercedes, the puzzled look like going over my head lately? What does 21 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:21.240 a penguin look like? Like every other penguin? There you go? No 22 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.639 like a waiter, No, like every other penguin. I would say a 23 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.479 penguin walking into a bar might be a little bit memorable, or it's a 24 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:38.800 really bad bartender. Maybe him Mercedes, Hi has everybody too? And joining 25 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.719 us from his spare bedroom, he says, a bug that can make a 26 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:49.879 decision is called a maybe. John Kelly is here. Hi, everybody good 27 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.199 to be here? Wow? That Ryan, you're I would not say you're 28 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:59.400 in rare form. This is this is just everyday good form. It's typical, 29 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:05.560 typical. And joining us farm our secret bunker, she says that if 30 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.800 people make you sick, you should just cook them a little bit longer. 31 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:16.439 Becky Weisman's here. That is awesome, Bran, And of course I knew 32 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:21.400 it's official Crambone. She left her phone number under the pillow and when she 33 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.199 woke up there was a dollar. It was the Bluetooth Fairry. Jessica Demas 34 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:31.280 back, jess Hey, everybody, how you doing? And popping on with 35 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.599 us tonight. Is the host of Getting Dirty Here on Hudson River Radio, 36 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.840 our show about farming and gardening. She is the founder and farmer at Dick 37 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.680 Farm in Westchester County, New York, which makes her the c I e 38 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:53.400 IO. Alison Turkey's here. That's exactly how I refer to myself all the 39 00:03:53.439 --> 00:04:00.159 time. So Alison is here because she and I. Last weekend we're a 40 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:04.919 far made recording interviews as we do every year. It was in Noblesville, 41 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.400 Indiana. My first time in Indiana. I don't know about you, Allison, 42 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:15.040 my first time in Indiana. Okay, there was so much corn corn 43 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:19.680 just good. Yeah, it's good. I had an evening off and I 44 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.720 have the motorcycle. I'm still on the road, so like tonight, I'm 45 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:27.319 in muscle Shoals, Alabama. Again. Last week I was in Indiana. 46 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.360 I have the motorcycles. I'm like, I got some time, let me 47 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.040 go explore and you can make ten turns and it's corn. Turn and it's 48 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:38.480 corn, and turn and it's corn. And then you turn around and it's 49 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:42.800 corn. And you better hope you know your way back because it's all corn. 50 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.439 It's like a giant corn maze. Brian, did you almost get lost 51 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.000 in like a Children of the Corn? Kind of a thick situation here. 52 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:53.079 I would have been a crying grown up in the corn if I was. 53 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:58.800 I'm gonna say that sounds like a horror movie just waiting to happen. Yep. 54 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.160 I mean, at some point, if you keep going straight, you're 55 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.199 going to run into something or somebody. But I found my way back. 56 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.079 It's all good. But we had a great time. We wound up recording 57 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.959 a bunch of interviews. They all wound up being with Farmers for getting dirty, 58 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.839 so those shows will be coming up. We met a lot of interesting 59 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:23.319 people. Didn't get any musicians this year. I think I don't think anybody's 60 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.959 getting the musicians anymore. It seems to be. I think there was a 61 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.560 hardcore you had to be, you know, totally messed up, and there 62 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:38.079 was a lot of protocol yeah, yeah, I didn't see anybody actually get 63 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.240 selected. I don't know. So well, we can peek behind the curtain. 64 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.560 So there's a media tent when you go as media, and then there's 65 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.680 a sign up sheet if you want to interview musicians, and the way it's 66 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.680 been the last several years we were there, it's like each musician has their 67 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:54.720 own clipboard and you sign up who you want to and who your you know, 68 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:58.399 your show or who you represent, And this year it was one sheet. 69 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:00.639 You know who you are, who you want to interview and for what. 70 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.519 And I think that went right in the shredder, I don't think. 71 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:10.120 Do you think the musicians don't want to do it? Did something happen that 72 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.879 they don't want to do it? No, I don't know if they did. 73 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.040 Like Allison said that, everybody on stage other than the performers was messed 74 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.079 up, and I think they were on a little more highlert because Neil Young 75 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.560 was back. True, that's true. He was back this year, so 76 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.560 maybe he was picky, you know. Maybe, I don't know, but 77 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.800 we did get some good interviews and met some interesting farmers and those interviews are 78 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:35.920 going to be on getting dirty over the next couple of weeks, right, 79 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:41.480 yes, sir, they are all right excellent, and you're gonna stick around 80 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:47.319 and give us your witty comments on tonight's selections. Absolutely. Tonight's topic is 81 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.879 Mercedes idea, and I'm just gonna try to let Mercedes explain it because I 82 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:58.680 knew you're going to pick on me about that. Okay, So our topic 83 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:04.480 tonight is bees, and I don't know does it really need an explanation? 84 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:11.279 I mean, anything about babies. I think it's it's weird, isn't it. 85 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.480 I don't know. Is it weird for me? It is? But 86 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:21.920 I don't know. I think something I know literally nothing about, except rumor 87 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.279 has it. I was one at one time. Ah, we all were 88 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.079 gale and and you shouldn't drop them. And if you do, don't tell 89 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:41.480 anyone. This is why I don't hold one ever. Think my inspiration was 90 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:46.319 was the Talking Head song, which I think nobody picked right. Which one 91 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:51.079 is that that's not going to blink out of the name? Now you know, 92 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.160 A little fingers, little toast sick all night, up, all night, 93 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.399 up all night. Yeah, yeah, that would have been a good 94 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.439 one. I didn't think of that either. Oh I read about that one 95 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.680 it's not about it's about actual infants, not like if it has the word 96 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.560 baby in the title, like like hey baby, Yeah, no, not 97 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.600 that kind of baby. Like young people, like tiny people, tiny humans, 98 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.839 yes, exactly nice, all right, every very young humans. Why 99 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.240 don't we hop right in and see where this takes us tonight. Becky is 100 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.639 going to lead us off tonight. So take it away, Becky. Thank 101 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:37.279 you. Brian Mercedes. This was a challenge. I looked at a lot 102 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:46.480 of songs, and I am not an expert in babies, and so I 103 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.960 just picked a really obscure song because I was happy to find it. And 104 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.039 it's very interesting. A lot of the songs you know about are about, 105 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.919 you know, people, people who weren't expecting to have babies and they did, 106 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.399 and so forth and so on, and that's connected to mine. So 107 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:09.360 my song is called Me in Honey by Rim and it was from their nineteen 108 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.799 ninety one album Out of Time, which was their seventh album. I did 109 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.159 a ton of research on RM for this and learned so much. I've always 110 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:24.080 loved Rim, but I didn't really know that much about all of the intricate 111 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:31.120 details of their history and so forth. So the song was written by the 112 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.480 members of Rim, Michael Stipe, Peter Buck, Michael Mills, and Bill 113 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.480 Berry. And I came to find out that they all of the members get 114 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:45.039 writing credits for all of their songs, which is pretty cool. And the 115 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.120 other reason I chose this song, other than it being kind of weird, 116 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.399 is that I listened to it and thought, do I hear Kate Pearson in 117 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:58.039 this? And the adler is yes, cool, Yes, Kate Peerson from 118 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.639 the VW fifty Who's Love Love Kate Pearson? And so Kate Pearson sang on 119 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.440 three songs on the out of time album Shiny Happy People is I'm sure you 120 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.000 remember that one? And she's on that one. It's just so awesome, 121 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.039 So she's considered this is considered a duet. She's not considered a backup singer. 122 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.000 Michael Stipe said, it's considered a due it with Kate Pearson and Mike 123 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.879 and Rim. So anyway, this song was written in response to the song 124 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:33.720 Eat for Two, released in nineteen eighty nine by ten Thousand Maniacs. And 125 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.759 so that song, if you've read about it, is about a woman who's 126 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.679 eating for two because she's pregnant, and it was unexpected pregnancy and so forth. 127 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.399 So Michael Stipe said, I wanted to write a song about pregnancy from 128 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.679 the man's point of view, like, oh, I don't really want to 129 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.840 have anything to do with this, you know, like men thinking, oh, 130 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.679 you're pregnant. I don't want to have anything to do with this, 131 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:58.600 and then going wait, maybe I have feelings about this, Maybe I do 132 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.639 care. So that that's really what the song is about. He finds out 133 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.120 about his girlfriend being pregnant and he's like, oh, maybe I have feelings 134 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.120 about this after all. So that's really the gist of the song, and 135 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:35.360 let's take a listen to it and listen for Kate Pearson. I sat there 136 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.240 and looking ugly a piano me. I knew what you were saying. You 137 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.919 were saying to me, maybe he's got some new rules me. The shit 138 00:11:46.080 --> 00:12:00.720 just had in me seems shame ways to time thing seems and that waste to 139 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:20.639 time? Love me love, what is it? That's why honey in the 140 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:31.480 squirrel being with this hon and me got to do what you do do with 141 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:43.759 me? It seems to shame, waste of time for me, love me 142 00:12:43.679 --> 00:13:09.320 love? What is do? Not silly enough? Flat sideways down these things 143 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:16.120 that you up, turn you around, say your piece, say sweet to 144 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:28.799 me. It's all the same, same and me, it's all the same, 145 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:50.360 same, the same for me, Love me love, what it's baby's 146 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:58.480 got some noodles, babies that she's having me as a fly in the night, 147 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:11.799 baby's at a meeting. That's hard, that's hard of me. Love 148 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:41.799 me love? What is lovely love? What is? What about me? 149 00:14:43.720 --> 00:15:15.240 What about me? So when you're listening to the lyrics, I know I 150 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.679 wasn't paying close attention the very first time I heard this was, which was 151 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.559 years and years ago. But if you look at the lyrics, he does 152 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.679 say baby a lot, and that's his girlfriend that he's talking about. Babies, 153 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.240 got some new rules, babies said, she's had it with me. 154 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.320 So in those lyrics, he's talking about, you know, his girlfriend as 155 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.120 baby. But then at the very end and last verse he says, there's 156 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.679 a fly in the honey baby, he's got a baby with me, and 157 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.159 he also sings in the chorus, he sings, left me to love. 158 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.519 What it's doing to me? I never knew that's what he was saying. 159 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.000 So that's that's the whole gist of It's like, okay, flying the honey, 160 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.960 baby's having a baby with me. Okay, she's left me to love 161 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.200 what it's doing to me. So it's left me to, you know, 162 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.720 like think about this. And so I just thought it was a really interesting 163 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:10.799 song. But also I found out that as a response to Eat for Two 164 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:15.320 by ten Thousand Maniacs, there's a nice little tie there. Eat for Two 165 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:23.279 is not autobiographical by Natalie Merchant, but she did date Michael Stipe, and 166 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.639 so she Michael Stipe is the lead singer of r EM, so her writing 167 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:33.639 had a lot of influence on him, and so this song is not about 168 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.679 them and their relationship, but they did have a relationship that was very interesting. 169 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:42.399 I did not know that he's from Georgia. The band formed, they 170 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:47.480 were all students at the University of Georgia. I didn't realize that. I 171 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:51.840 know, the fifty twos were down in Athens, Georgia, and ultimately ten 172 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:56.399 thousand Maniacs spent some time in Athens as well. So I think that's how 173 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.000 they all just kind of got to know each other. And the other thing 174 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.799 I wanted to say about RM is that they were inducted into the Rock and 175 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.880 Roll Hall of Fame in two thousand and seven and just this year, twenty 176 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.279 twenty three, they were nominated for induction into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. 177 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.400 So that is what I have for this topic. All Right, that was 178 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.359 a good lead off. I think it fits the topic perfectly, So maybe 179 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.759 it won't be I think she did good. I think I would agree excellent, 180 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:36.400 gal, how did you do well? I'm about to make the quality 181 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.279 of things go way downhill because it kind of has nothing to do with anything 182 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:48.880 except just called rain and babies, which sounds kind of messy in more than 183 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:56.839 not dropping them idea, it sounds like they're slippery, so you gotta watch 184 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:03.759 out for that. Yeah, it's when it's raining and their way they're brand 185 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.960 new, or you left them out in the rain. They shouldn't be slippery. 186 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.400 And if you left them out in the rain, then we have another 187 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:19.759 problem. Yeah, this was definitely a challenging topic for me, and I 188 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:30.319 wanted to find something unusual, and yes I did. Flaming Lips, need 189 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:38.119 I say more? Uh, they're apparently considered a psychedelic rock band, which 190 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:45.680 I did not know. I best know them for their single from years ago, 191 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.000 she Don't Use Jelly, which the first time I ever heard that song. 192 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.880 The words are so silly in my mind. I laughed so hard I 193 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.960 almost drove off the road because the first time I heard that song, I 194 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:06.440 was driving home from work. So they're from Oklahoma City. They've been active 195 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.079 since nineteen eighty three. They are still active. The current members of the 196 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:19.480 band are Wayne Coyne, Stephen Drawsed, Derek Brown, Matt Duckworth, Curzy, 197 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:27.680 and Nicholas Lay. Coin and Drowsed have remained the band's only consistent member 198 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:37.920 since nineteen ninety one, and Coin's the only remaining founding member because the bassist 199 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:44.559 and keyboardist Michael Ivan's left in twenty twenty one. Now. The song I 200 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:49.519 Chose Rain and Babies is the third track on their fourth album. The album 201 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:57.359 is called are You Ready for This? In a priest driven Ambulance? I'm 202 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:04.440 trying to get a visual that and I imagine there are clergy people that also 203 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.559 drive ambulances. I don't know, but it's definitely a strange visual. So 204 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:17.640 this album was released in nineteen ninety I would say, if you're a patient 205 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.640 in that ambulance and you look up and see the priest standing over you, 206 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.200 I don't know, like it's it's a little worried, yea, or comforting. 207 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:32.920 You might not know. You might not know they're a priest because if 208 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.079 they're I don't like. I don't know if they would wear their little collar 209 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:41.039 with the uniform. And of course in my religion, women can be priests, 210 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:48.559 so you wouldn't know. But it's yeah, yeah, I don't know. 211 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.440 I think it would make me feel better personally, but that's just because 212 00:20:52.440 --> 00:21:03.720 I'm a church lady. Yeah, it sounds you kind of. I think 213 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:11.880 my first question would be, like, where am I in heaven? What's 214 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:19.640 happening? Oh goodness, Yeah, if there's heaven, I'm sure we're not 215 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:25.519 gonna be able to discern who's who was a clergy person on earth. So 216 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:34.359 anyway, so this song random Babies was not released at a single. As 217 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.839 a single, I was not able to find anything else about it, including 218 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:48.440 what inspired it something I found super super interesting. Another song on the album, 219 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:56.519 called Unconsciously Screaming, was shot at a religious theme park called Holy Land 220 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:06.759 USA in Waterbury, Connecticut. Now that place is abandoned, deteriorated. I 221 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:15.799 went there with a friend and her family in I'm thinking like nineteen seventy six 222 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:21.160 or seven, when it was abandoned. No, it was. It was 223 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.440 a working like religious theme park, like not with rides or anything, but 224 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.240 with you know, displays, And I would have done Moses in a basket 225 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.680 and you can ride that's the Lazy River. There you go, there you 226 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.279 go. But but if if you they still have photos and stuff on the 227 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:45.000 internet. So if you google Holy Land, usay in Waterbury, Connecticut, 228 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:52.039 you will find the background of that place. So anyway, let's listen to 229 00:22:52.160 --> 00:23:17.720 randon babies. What I'm thinking is so delicate. If I'm breathing now, 230 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:25.559 I'm all lose it. Its ad I've been the biggest potion I know I 231 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:32.559 ever seen, and at the moment it's big enough to drown the whole world. 232 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:52.160 This is not to take This is my frien to you take it back? 233 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:15.160 Why movies? I don't know else. It's training babies from the sky 234 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:27.240 out on the tiny drops from my windshield and in a second its ray to 235 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:40.640 training all over the whole world in my playford world. No wise, da, 236 00:24:42.000 --> 00:25:33.720 this is my friend. Take it Coppic. And what bigget is if 237 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:41.559 I beat you up, I'm a losing. This is a drop in the 238 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:48.720 biggest potion I know that I've ever seen, and in a moment its big 239 00:25:48.920 --> 00:27:04.759 enough to down the hall, my fra the world. So you see, 240 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.160 my choice was not quite the same quality as Becky's choice, but they got 241 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.960 our attention. I'll give you that good. I just added that to my 242 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:22.160 playlist. So good. Now you said they were They were called a psychedelic 243 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:30.559 bands. It says supposedly, Yeah, supposedly psychedelic, maybe psychotic. Maybe 244 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.079 that's why I like them. I don't know. I prefer both. So 245 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:44.000 all covers, all bases. It's good. So people sometimes wonder how the 246 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:51.680 Flaming Lips got their name. One theory is that it was inspired by the 247 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:59.240 nineteen fifty three feature film Geraldine, in which comedians stand for Freiberg sings several 248 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:08.599 songs, in concluding one named Flaming Lips. Another theory is there was a 249 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:17.160 nineteen sixty four Shirley McClain Shirley McClain film What a Way to Go, in 250 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:25.359 which Gene Kelly's character stars in a film titled Flaming Lips. However, the 251 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.119 thought started by two of the band members themselves, and I need toward this 252 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:48.200 very delicately came up with a rumor that they knew a classmate who had contracted 253 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:56.039 an STD after being on the receiving end of an intimate act from a partner 254 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.920 with active cold source. So if you wind up on the priest ambulance after 255 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:08.480 that, is it like an extra layer guilt? Usually a shot of penicillin 256 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.200 takes care of that. Yeah, and stay off your bicycle for two weeks. 257 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:26.240 Oh oh sorry? So are we supposed to vote on which one we 258 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:33.279 thought was the correct choice? I don't care. Well, you know, 259 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.319 there were three choices, Gil, and two of them were similar. Ver 260 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.960 one was not out there. I'm going with the third one. Yea is 261 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.359 not like the other. I don't think there's any doubt in there whatsoever. 262 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.759 Yeah, so that's my song. Thank you for humoring me. All right, 263 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.319 thank you, Gil. I was really afraid that you were gonna that 264 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:07.000 it was named after the movie I think it was called Chatterbox about a woman 265 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:17.960 who has parts of her body the talk. Oh lord, I've never even 266 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.440 heard of that. Yeah, it's it's a very obscure movie. It's probably 267 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.119 for the best that I yeah, it's gonna say it should probably say that 268 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.519 way. Yeah, yeah, very funny though. All right, on that 269 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.240 note, we're going to take our first real quick break and we will be 270 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:40.119 back with more, so stick around Hudson River Radio dot com. This concludes 271 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.119 the first part of this cassette. Please turn the cassette over and begin again 272 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:53.359 on side two. If radio dcs had taught me anything about radio that you 273 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.559 gotta do poof things, turn it up and rip that noo Hudson River Raio 274 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.599 dot com and welcome back to the rock and Roll History Show Tonight. We're 275 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.079 talking songs about babies and we have a special guest tonight, the host of 276 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.279 Getting Dirty or Gardening and Farming Show on Hudson River Radio, Alison Turkin, 277 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.319 is with us. Alison and I were at Farm Made last week. I 278 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.039 was going to ask, what's your favorite act on stage was, but we 279 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.440 all know it's Dave Matthews right, yes, yes, hands down. Yeah. 280 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.839 I thought he he rocked it. Yeah, yeah, he rocked it. 281 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.200 I would say, I'm sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead. 282 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.079 I was gonna say Nathaniel Rayliff is one of my favorites. He came 283 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:40.720 on and they did a cover of Bruce Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark that nobody 284 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:45.160 expected and knocked it out of the park. His version. I think is 285 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.759 better than Bruce's. Yeah he's a badass too. Yeah. I mean, 286 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:55.240 what a great show. So there's a media event before they opened the gates 287 00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.119 for everybody where everybody comes out and you know, Mellencamp and Willie and and 288 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.599 Dave Matthews, Neil Young, they're all up on stage along with some farmers 289 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.480 and they show videos about the farmers. They're interviewing them and talking about their 290 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.839 stories and all that, and some of them are the ones that Alison got 291 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.920 to interview. So you want to give us a little sneak peek on what 292 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.119 might be coming up on Getting Dirty. Absolutely, we were excited to be 293 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.440 able to interview almost everybody that was on the stage featured at Farm Aid this 294 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:30.559 season, which was exciting. We spoke to one of the farm One of 295 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.400 the farms was Fisher Family Farms in Indiana, and we spoke to David and 296 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:40.480 Joseph Fisher, father and son of a seventh generation family farm and exciting. 297 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:45.480 You know, we mentioned before corn corn is good, but not that kind 298 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.640 of corn, but we won't get into that now, but well you can 299 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.160 because I learned that most of the corn there is for feed, yes, 300 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.240 right, so you see, yes, you see all that corn, and 301 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.680 that corn is going to cows, and cows are not even supposed to be 302 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:06.839 eating corn. You know, the system is challenging, to say the least. 303 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:13.200 But what I really liked about Joseph and Dave David who was they've taken 304 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:20.920 the seventh generation family farm and they've turned it into regenerative uh beef cattle farms. 305 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:27.000 So instead of horrible situations that animals live in, these guys are not 306 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.880 only doing things that are good for the land, but they're good for the 307 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.319 animals. I know there's some vegetarians on this crambone panel right here, but 308 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.240 for those who do enjoy meat at least you would want to know that that 309 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:44.440 meat had a nice life before it was, you know, steak on your 310 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.759 plate. Well, they were talking about controlling methane, you know, methane 311 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.240 from a thing, and yes, they were talking about how they're actually helping 312 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.160 to control that with the cow's diet and all that. Yeah, it was 313 00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:00.039 interesting and just the way that they just the way that they run their farms. 314 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.359 So they're managing land in a good way. And what's nice about that 315 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.599 is their four thousand acres, which means that you know, systems can change 316 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:13.480 on a bigger scale. But the press conference was good too. Press conference 317 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.519 was good. We'll get back to that. So you definitely need to check 318 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:20.000 out getting Dirty, especially over the next couple of weeks as they put these 319 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.880 interviews out. So it was a lot of fun and I always learned stuff 320 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.039 every time I'm there. And I've said it before, when you go to 321 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.119 farm Mate, it is the only concert where you wind up buying fresh fruit 322 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.960 from a concession stand. Yes, you want like it is actually really good, 323 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.440 Like you're buying apples from the kids who just grew them. Yeah, 324 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.039 you know, I'm about a whole bunch of plums. Yeah. Where have 325 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.760 you ever walked around a concert eating an apple before and not stuck out like 326 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.800 a sore thumb? You know, That's just the way it is there, 327 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.440 and it's Yeah, they had a vegetarian booth too, they did. The 328 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.440 line was much shorter for some reason, so I went, right, were 329 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:06.800 they serving real vegetarians? Yes, yeah, they served Alison. When you 330 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.440 get a chance, you should look up North Haven Pastures in Red Hook, 331 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.039 New York. It's a beautiful two hundred acre cattle and pig farm that they're 332 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.159 doing a lot of interesting things up there. You should give them a look. 333 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.079 See, I definitely will. Thanks for the tip. Do there a 334 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.920 live stock of good lives too? Yes? They do. Actually, I 335 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:32.400 am at this particular farm most Monday afternoons for my for my regular job, 336 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.760 and it is a beautiful piece of property. They're doing a lot of interesting 337 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:45.280 things with raising cattle and pigs and trying to do it in a sustainable way. 338 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.239 Uh and kind of like a free range kind of a situation. And 339 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:57.280 it's it's a new venture and I think you should look it up. I 340 00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.599 am going to look it up. And I leave that thought with get out 341 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.159 there and for your family farmers people, that's a family farm. That's a 342 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.400 family farm, by the way, run by run by two people and their 343 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.760 families. That's it beautiful cool, And we'll talk with Alison Moore because there's 344 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.840 lots of stuff to talk about, but we're gonna turn it over to Neil 345 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:22.639 for his selection on on Baby Songs. It sounds like you had an awesome 346 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.239 time there, and yeah I heard there was a special guest to the kid. 347 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.239 Yeah, that's what we're talking about in a little bit. Talk about 348 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:35.440 that. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. It's very cool. But 349 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.280 anyway, well, my song it isn't about a baby per se. It's 350 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:45.000 not about babies per se, but it's about something that every baby needs every 351 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.280 once in a while. And no, not a diaper change, no you 352 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.519 read my mind. No, I'm talking about a babysitter. In the song 353 00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:00.480 I chose for today is called Babysitter and it's by the Ramones. Now I 354 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:05.039 know that I've picked many Ramones songs here on the Rock and Roll History Show. 355 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.400 I was gonna say, what a surprise. Yeah, and we're we're 356 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.039 shocked, in part because of course I think they're, you know, the 357 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.440 greatest band that ever was. But in addition, also because they seem to 358 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:23.480 have they always have a song ready for every occasion. So as you've proved. 359 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.320 Now now for the best benefit of those out there might not know who 360 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.000 they are. The Ramones formed in nineteen seventy four in Forest Hills, Queens, 361 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.400 New York. Joey, Johnny, Dedy and Tommy all adopted the surname 362 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:43.400 Ramone. It wasn't their real last name, and by the way, they 363 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.519 got it from an alias that Paul McCartney used to use to avoid fans when 364 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.360 he checked into hotels or et cetera. That kind of thing. He was 365 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:59.519 Paul Ramone. They were pioneers in the New York City punk rock scene in 366 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.840 the midnight seventies, and in a nutshell, basically, they were influenced by 367 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:10.199 everything that came before them, and in turn influenced just about everything that came 368 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:15.559 after them. Their career, with a few personnel changes, lasted twenty two 369 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:21.800 years. They performed two two hundred and sixty three shows, released fourteen studio 370 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.920 LPs, tons of singles, live albums, videos, and a movie, 371 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:31.039 all before retiring in nineteen ninety six. They were inducted into the Rock and 372 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.519 Mall Hall of Fame in two thousand and two. Okay now. The song 373 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:43.079 Babysitter was recorded during sessions for their second LP called Leave Home on Sire Records. 374 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.519 It was recorded at Sun Dragon Studios in New York City in October and 375 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.400 November of nineteen seventy six. The budget for recording Leave Home was about ten 376 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.599 thousand dollars compared to their debut, which they'd only received a mere six thousand, 377 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.719 four hundred dollars to record, wouldn't produce, so they got a little 378 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.719 bit of a raise and it also allowed them to hire Tony Bongiovi to help 379 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:15.039 produce the album, and yes he is the cousin of John Yes. This 380 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.079 also allowed them to put more emphasis on the mixing and production, which resulted 381 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.679 in a better quality sounding LP than their first album. Dede and Joey were 382 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.840 pretty much the primary songwriters in the band, with Tommy contributing songs as well, 383 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:39.119 but all the original songs. Kind of like what Rim did. What 384 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:44.360 Becky was saying there was they gave credit to the whole band. The whole 385 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:52.519 band got credit for all their original songs, initially, Babysitter being no exception, 386 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.239 and it wouldn't be until later that they began receiving their individual credit. 387 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.199 But in my mind, in my opinion, Babysitter sounds like a song that 388 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:08.159 Joey wrote. That's just my opinion. It's a tale of young love that's 389 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:14.840 written from the point of view of an adolescent teenage boy whose girlfriend calls him 390 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:20.119 up and says that her parents are going out for the evening and she invites 391 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:25.840 him over for perhaps a little romance. But there's just one catch. She 392 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:32.000 will also be babysitting her younger sibling in her parents' absence, and in an 393 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:38.400 ironic case of who's watching who or who's chaperoning who, it turns out the 394 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.760 kids kind of peeping tom and it's likely to tattle on them if he sees 395 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:52.079 anything risque going on, thus forwarding any attempts at making whoopee. And that's 396 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.360 the technical term I was gonna say, You're you're getting real technical on us 397 00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:02.239 here, Neil keeping your family friend of course. All right, now, 398 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:09.599 let's hear the story of the babysitter by the the moment she says she's been 399 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:19.360 sitting and do that, she says, come over. It's a hard rest 400 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.719 on the Cattrick must as a wolf, but the timoth ever born at bore 401 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:35.599 On the cat but a wolf, but the Timoth that we won at Boar. 402 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:45.039 She says, She's been and done that, She says the other it's 403 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:54.159 a whole rest. Yeah you know how the tivvy are only playing Let the 404 00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.800 buds are gone? Yeah you know why the damon are are we glad that 405 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:24.519 the bus are gone? She went to see the kids, she said, 406 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:37.679 the quiet the boy. We can'st on eating and day, why we can't 407 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:46.039 go to give and to get the live by she says, she's baby me 408 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:58.920 to do that. She says, go mother, it's our rat on the 409 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:06.920 gather of the But the demin never won ever y you no will hasn't did 410 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:14.880 it on on we g that the f dog she is then she baby did 411 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:31.639 that. She's done off the all right, she's den in baby that she's 412 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:45.119 the mother is the all right? All right? Ah, yeah, it's 413 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:51.639 all right, or maybe it wasn't so and now the original release of the 414 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.760 LP Leave Home did not contain the song Babysitter. It was left off the 415 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:02.639 initial release, but that album did include a song called Carbona Not Glue, 416 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.000 which presumably was a follow up to their classic song Now I Want to Sniff 417 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:14.519 some Glue that from their debut. Yes, that is until they found out 418 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:20.599 that the name Carbona was a registered trademark and the record label had to remove 419 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.800 it from the album. They had to take the song off the album now, 420 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:29.159 although some copies of the LP with the offending Carbona song did get out, 421 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:35.480 like the one I Got. Carbona not Glue was later replaced by Sheena 422 00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.400 is a Punk Rocker, which was on the US release, and Babysitter was 423 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:45.639 then the replacement on the UK release. Now, Babysitter would not get a 424 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.639 proper us release until nineteen seventy eight, when it appeared as the B side 425 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.320 of a single, and that's where I first got a hold of it. 426 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.760 Although they used to play it live, so I was aware of the song, 427 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.360 I just didn't know where it was, but it was on a B 428 00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.039 side. The A side was their cover of Bobby Freeman's classic do You Want 429 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.599 to Dance, which is found on their third LP, Rocket to Russia and 430 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.800 Do You Want to Dance. It was also featured in the film Rock and 431 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.760 Roll High School. If you've seen it, you know that the scene where 432 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:23.840 they're going down the hallway. Anyway. Subsequently, Babysitter did find its way 433 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:30.599 onto several reissues, compilations as a bonus track, demo versions, live versions, 434 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.159 etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, I think it's an, 435 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.360 you know, a rather obscure gem for them, and I've always liked it. 436 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.800 I always liked it when they played it live, and I was glad 437 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.480 that I finally got a decent recording of it. I'd say, now it's 438 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.679 on every you know, any comp you can find it easily. But it 439 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.400 wasn't so in the day. You know, back then, it's like you 440 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.320 couldn't go online and and look it up on YouTube or anything like. No, 441 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.280 it was more fun. You had to go to the record. So 442 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:04.559 it was a yeah, that was yeah. But anyway, yeah, that's 443 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.000 my baby song, the Babysitter. I love it. That was great. 444 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.199 That was great. Yes, that was a great one. Jess, you 445 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:20.239 are up, okay. So I too went into a different direction than babies. 446 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.760 Babies, I think Gail and I have more in common than I realized. 447 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.280 I yeah, I find them a little bit, you know, scary 448 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.199 when they're small and like dropable. You could beat them up, you had 449 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:43.760 too, don't worry about it, Okay. So I actually went with a 450 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:50.639 song that's more about as being apparent as your child gets older. So the 451 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:55.119 child song I chose is called Here for You by Neil Young. It was 452 00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.920 on his album called Prairie Wind, which was released September twenty seven, two 453 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.719 thousand and five. So Happy Anniversary. That was his twenty sixth studio album 454 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:12.800 that was recorded in March of two thousand and five at Masterlink Studio in Nashville, 455 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.519 Tennessee. The genre is described as country rock, folk rock, or 456 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:23.039 Americana and the label is Reprise. The album heaked at number eleven on the 457 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:29.519 US Billboard two hundred and The song is described as being very emotional, heartfelt, 458 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.559 and straightforward. According to songbacks, it was written for his daughter Amber 459 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.920 Jean, who was twenty one years old and in her last year of college 460 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.760 at the time, and it speaks to balancing being supportive and letting your child 461 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:47.119 grow into an adult, which I think is probably one of the more difficult 462 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:54.079 tasks of being a parent. And Neil Young also had some very special challenges 463 00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.840 with letting this particular child grow and become independent, and we'll talk more about 464 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:15.480 those after we hear the song. When your summer days come tumbling down and 465 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:24.440 you find yourself below, then you can come back and be with me. 466 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:38.239 Just close your eyes, can all be there. Listen to the song this 467 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:52.920 so hard Beating for You. Yes, I miss you, but I never 468 00:48:52.480 --> 00:49:24.599 want to hold you. Might say I'm here for you. When the winter 469 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:35.119 comes to your new home and snowflakes are falling down, then you can come 470 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:45.519 back and be with me. Just close your eyes and I'll be there. 471 00:49:47.320 --> 00:50:02.400 Listen to the song the soul Hard Beating for You. Yes, I miss 472 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:14.480 you, but I never want to hold down. You might say, I'm 473 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:30.280 here for you, spring protective arms around me in the bar, well, 474 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:46.760 let you go on your way. Happiness, I know always spire and man 475 00:50:46.880 --> 00:51:35.599 it does I hope at it scares. Yes, I miss you, but 476 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:45.639 I never want to hold you. Now. You might say I'm here for 477 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:58.679 you. Yes, I miss you, but I never to hold you now 478 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:19.119 you say you always. So through this exercise I got to learn a little 479 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.639 bit more about Neil Young and his family through an article in far Out Mac 480 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:30.079 magazine written by Joe Tayson and published on January twenty one of twenty twenty one. 481 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.599 So, Neil Young is actually the father of three children. The first 482 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.119 one his name is Zeke and he was born in nineteen seventy two to carry 483 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:44.840 snodgrass and then in nineteen seventy eight, his son Ben was born with his 484 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:50.639 wife Peggy, and both of those two children were diagnosed with cerebral palsy. 485 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:57.400 So yeah, so you know, raising those two children and caring for them 486 00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:01.920 is something that you know he had with with two different spouses. So when 487 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:07.559 Peggy was pregnant again, you know, this was a challenge for them, 488 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:13.119 and this whole thing was about healing and overcoming their fears. And in nineteen 489 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.519 eighty four is when Amber Jean was born, and luckily she was healthy, 490 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:23.239 and so you know, she's the only one who was able to grow and 491 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:29.559 become independent. And I can't imagine what that was like for him, you 492 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.239 know, when she's twenty one and kind of, you know, like moving 493 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.679 out on her own. And in nineteen eighty eight, Neil Young actually interviewed 494 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.920 with Rolling Stone and talked about what the challenges were with having disabled children. 495 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.719 So, like I said, I can't imagine, you know, after that 496 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:54.719 experience then trying to raise a healthy child and balance independence and support and what 497 00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:01.000 that letting go experience must have been like. So so that's my song. 498 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:06.000 And I guess you guys got to see him perform at Farmade as well. 499 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.519 We did, Yes, we did. But that's why he wasn't at Farmade 500 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.800 because when COVID happened, he was very, very concerned about transmitting any kind 501 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.440 of disease or COVID obviously to his kids. So he had been away and 502 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:24.880 then finally we got him back this year. I'm glad he was able to 503 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.880 be back this year. He did a shorter set for a reason. We'll 504 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:34.559 talk about after our break. Jess, did you call this an exercise I 505 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.719 did researching is listen, it's brain work. It's it's brain work, and 506 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.559 it's it's fun brain work because it gets to use a totally different part of 507 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.320 my brain than I than I normally get to the inside us. I don't 508 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.880 use the inside very much. There's a lot of squishy stuff in there. 509 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:59.840 I don't want to make it well, you know, if I'm not mis 510 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.119 steak. And Neil Young has a I don't know if it's a yeah, 511 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.199 like a clause or whatever. It's called the Bridge School, which is actually 512 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:15.920 I know he's done concerts for that. It's for developmentally challenged children. You 513 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.840 know, it's like and I think it was in part because of his own 514 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.840 kids. I know he's I don't know if he still does it or what, 515 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:29.440 but yes, it is so cool. I love it when artists get 516 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:35.880 involved in you know, causes and awareness and what better better reason than your 517 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.760 own kids. So I'll always have a soft spot at a soft spot in 518 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:43.920 my heart for Neil Young because he was at the first rock concert that I 519 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.559 ever went to. Wow. And I'll tell you the story if I may, 520 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.519 yeah, yeah, and I'll you know it was. It was in 521 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:55.360 nineteen sixty seven, that's right, nineteen. I was about a week shy 522 00:55:55.480 --> 00:56:00.519 of my twelfth birthday. I was seven back and one of the one of 523 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:07.119 the neighborhood parents got a whole bunch of tickets for a show in White Plains, 524 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.719 New York at the Westchester County Center and the headline it was the Beach 525 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:14.840 Boys. So all of us kids piled in the car we went. But 526 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.239 one of the opening acts of several was a band called the Buffalo Springfield, 527 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:27.800 which would go on to become more famous because of Neil Young and Stephen Stills 528 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.119 and of course Crosbie Stills, Nash and Young. And I didn't know who 529 00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:36.360 they were. I had not, but I remember watching them and saying, 530 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.880 this is the real stuff. This is I thought they blew the Beach Boys 531 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.960 off the stage. Personally at twelve years old, I was like, this 532 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.320 is insane, this is great. And then, of course I learned more 533 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.880 about them later and I was like, yeah, you know what he Neil 534 00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.599 Young is a rock and roller in spite of it all, deep down and 535 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.320 he's never quit. So yeah, he's got that. I mean twenty six 536 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.079 albums and he probably has more sense then. That's pretty amazing in and of 537 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.519 itself. Well, I'll tell you one more story that I just remembered too, 538 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.360 and this was probably nineteen seventy four. He was doing a solo thing, 539 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.239 or I think he was with Crazy Horse, and it was at Madison 540 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.400 Square Garden. I know, Brian, your favorite police it was, but 541 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:30.039 it was nineteen seventy four. The only Canadian was Neil Young. You were 542 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:36.280 safe. The borders were tighter back then. Anyway. Anyway, before the 543 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:42.079 show, there was rumors that then President Richard Nixon was going to be on 544 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.480 television making, you know, a big announcement, and we were all kind 545 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:50.920 of hoping what it was going to be, but you know, nobody dared 546 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:55.000 hope that much. Anyway. So I went to the show and some friends 547 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:59.840 I knew had tickets right up front. They were like third row, so 548 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.159 I kind of snucked down to where they were able to hand me the ticket 549 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:07.039 stub that they had so I could get through the you know, through the 550 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.960 gate and get down there. So I snucked into the third row to see 551 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.760 the show, and about halfway through, somebody came out and hands near the 552 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:16.639 Young a piece of paper and he kind of stands off to the side, 553 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:23.119 opens up, reads it, walks up to the microphone and says, the 554 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:35.239 Vietnam War is over. Wow. Nice. The whole place Madison's We're going 555 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.079 went insane. People were crying, hugging, and I turned around and looked 556 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.400 into the you know, the from kind of almost the view that he would 557 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.920 have had the entire bowl, except I wasn't up on the stage, and 558 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.360 they turned on all the lights and people were just it was like it was 559 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:59.119 it was. It was such a celebration. It was so crazy. I 560 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:04.519 was just I had just turned like eighteen, so I was, you know, 561 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.679 stop the draft. Yeah, but I was. I was, you 562 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.960 know, I could have been, so to me, that was like, 563 00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.519 whoa, Okay, that's one thing I don't have to, you know, 564 00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.880 be concerned about. But on a larger scale, that was just the fact 565 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.280 that it was that it was over. You know, it was and Neil 566 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.320 Young, of all people, was the man that I heard it from. 567 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:29.199 It was it was that's amazing. Better than Nixon, right, But of 568 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:37.880 course, yeah, yeah, what a story that ten soldiers and Nixon's coming. 569 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.599 Yeah, so that yeah, there you go. Anyway, that's my 570 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.360 Neil Young story. So I want to hear you guys from what he was 571 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.719 doing at the over the last weekend too. Yeah, but first we're going 572 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.519 to take another real quick break and then we'll come back and talk about that. 573 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.679 All right, So stick around this more coming up. This is Hudson 574 00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:12.800 Riddle Radio dot com. Oh right, Hudson Radio dot com. A nicer 575 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.719 hop you can't stop and welcome back everybody. So we left off talking about 576 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:21.559 Neil Young, so we should probably just pick it up from right there. 577 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.920 He was back at Farm Made this year, so Alison I got to see 578 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:28.960 him. He was out there by himself, no band, you know, 579 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.119 for the last few years it's been Lucas Nelson's band, promise of the real 580 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:36.639 behind him, nothing, just him by himself. Came out, played I 581 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:40.960 think three songs and that was it, and excuse himself because he was turning 582 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:46.760 time over to the surprise performer that showed up unannounced, and that would be 583 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.840 about Dylan. Yes, but I just want to say though the three songs, 584 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.960 you know, Neil Young with a guitar and his harmonica, it's still 585 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.840 good. But I have to say I missed keep on rockin in the Free 586 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.360 World. Oh yeah, I mean I was like, you know, yes, 587 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.440 that absolutely carry the stage by himself without the band. Yes, sounded 588 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.920 great. He couldn't kept going. Nobody knew he was going to be cutting 589 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.679 it short. And then yeah, Bob Dylan came out. But apparently Dylan 590 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.960 asked for all the big screens to be shut off, so if you were 591 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.360 in the back, he couldn't see anything. And I don't know if there 592 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.000 was a problem with the lighting or if it was done on purpose, but 593 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.599 it was done on purpose. I read it. Okay, yea, I've 594 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:35.880 heard both, because you know, everything was kept really dark and then the 595 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.719 lights would come on a little bit and go right back off, and you 596 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.880 know, so he sounded just like himself, which you never know what you're 597 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.920 gonna get with Bob Dylan. I keep flip flopping how much of a fan 598 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.840 I am. But his backing band was the Heartbreakers. It was Tom Petty. 599 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.320 Oh my gosh, yeah, yes, that's crazy, that's cool. 600 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.440 Yeah, I mean they sounded great, Yeah, it was. It was 601 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.480 weird from my perspective of where I was on the stage. I see the 602 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:01.880 you know, I could see everybody, but I was kind of on the 603 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:06.920 side, uh, and everything went dark and it was just so bizarre, 604 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.960 and I'm like, why did Neil young willl do three songs? What's going 605 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.480 on? Right? And then you know the voice is unmistakable. And then 606 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:20.159 he started playing Maggie's Farm and that's pretty recognizable for Bob Dylan, and we 607 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.960 moved in a little closer and just yep, that's him. Well I could 608 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.559 see from where I was sitting, because you know, I was like kind 609 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.199 of in the middle, and I could see him straight on, even the 610 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.599 outline with the with the giant hair. Yeah, you know about Dylan hair, 611 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.800 so like, yep, all right, I know it's coming. Yeah. 612 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:42.039 He didn't say anything, he didn't introduce anything, no talk about anything. 613 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:46.760 He did his songs and and schedaddle. But it was the thirty eighth 614 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.719 farm, Maide, thirty eight was at the first one, so I think 615 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:57.639 that was a big part of what I Also I read that he was playing 616 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.840 guitar, and lately he's only been playing yano at his at his concerts, 617 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.360 so this was also another rarity. You know that, yes, playing guitar 618 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.679 again. Yeah, yep, he was playing guitar. Yeah, I mean, 619 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.199 I definitely, you know, we'll check it off. Like, Okay, 620 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.519 I saw Bob Dylan. That's it, it's he did. It was 621 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:21.079 a few years ago. He was doing the minor league ballpark tour. I 622 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:25.000 forgot who he was touring with, but like his shows were universally panned. 623 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:29.920 Everybody said it was awful. He sounded awful, the acoustics were awful, 624 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.719 everything. So I'm like that, you know, why am I going to 625 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:37.079 go be disappointed? But he he sounded as good as Bob Dylan cans sound 626 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:42.000 at at farm Aide. I know he's he's like a love hate people love 627 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.679 him hate him. Yeah, I keep flip flopping, but I'm glad I 628 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.639 got to see him. I'm glad I was there for that. It was 629 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.239 yes, me too. Yeah. So all right back to our topic, 630 01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:57.360 Mercedes, you're up. Well, I guess I took this in a whole 631 01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:03.079 different direction than all of you. Oh okay, I think it's so interesting 632 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:09.679 that y'all had a problem with the topic because it just seems really a problem. 633 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:17.360 It was just it was very specific. Okay, So we like challenges. 634 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.960 It was good. Nobody's yeah, it's good. It's good. Challenges 635 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:26.320 good. So in looking for songs about babies, I found a few good 636 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:32.000 ones and a lot of really bad ones that were so sappy that it was 637 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.880 tough to listen to it. That's why I couldn't do it. Everything was 638 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:41.320 too syrupy. Yeah, well, I hope you don't feel that way about 639 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.960 my song because I like it. And this song I finally picked is Kooks. 640 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.599 It's a song written by David Bowie and it's on his nineteen seventy one 641 01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:54.239 album Hunky Dory. His fourth album the same album is Changes and Life on 642 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.840 Mars. I have never heard this song, didn't know anything about it. 643 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.480 He wrote this song to it and Angie's newborn son. The song was similar 644 01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:08.639 in sound to early nineteen seventies Neil Young, So I'm gonna go back to 645 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.119 Neil Young a little bit, because Bowie was listening to a Neil Young record 646 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.599 at home on May thirtieth, nineteen seventy one, when he got the news 647 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.840 of the arrival of his son. Some speculations from one article as to which 648 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:26.800 Neil Young album it was after the gold Rush, which has a song called 649 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:31.000 I Believe in You. But also the sound is similar to according to this 650 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.199 article, is similar to Till the Morning Comes from the same album, which 651 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:44.559 features a similar swing tempo acoustic production, trumpet interlude and backing vocals. Musicians 652 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.000 on the song are David Bowie obviously lead and backing vocals, acoustic guitar and 653 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:57.320 Alto Sachs, Mick ronson string arrangement, Trevor Boulder bass and trumpet mid Sorry, 654 01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.719 Mick wood Men, how do you say that? Would man say? 655 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:10.679 Woodman c on drums, and rich Rick Wakeman on piano. Wow. But 656 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.840 Bowie said in a press release, the baby was born and it looked like 657 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.840 me, and it looked like Angie. The song came out like if you're 658 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:25.679 going to stay with us, then you're gonna grow up bananas. The couple 659 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.880 divorced in nineteen eighty. I don't know. I think it was like drug 660 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.360 issues. Does anybody know for sure what the deal was there? I don't 661 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.639 know. And that's they alluded to that in one article that I read, 662 01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:45.239 and Bowie got custody. I have a son. At age eighteen, Zoey 663 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:49.360 decided that his full name was Duncan Joey. I don't know if it's pronounced 664 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:58.679 Zawe or Joey. It's Cowie anyway, Yeah, as his full name was. 665 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.519 But then somewhere else it said it was pronounced like zoe, like if 666 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:11.199 a girl's name zoe or Zoe. Yeah, Zoe. I've heard that pronounced 667 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.119 both ways too, so I don't know anyway. His full name was Duncan 668 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:20.960 Zoe Heywood Jones, and he would use his name Duncan as his first name 669 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.079 starting at age eighteen. He said, I always did feel in the shadow 670 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.280 when I was growing up, he once said an interview, and how can 671 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.119 you not feel like that with a father like David Bowie? Yeah, I 672 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:38.440 mean really so. Duncan Jones now works in the film industry as a successful 673 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:42.360 director. And I just want to I just want to tell you a couple 674 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.880 of lines on the song because I thought, I think it's really cool, 675 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.280 So I think you should listen to this. A funny old crib on which 676 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:51.760 the paint won't dry. I bought you a pair of shoes, a trumpet 677 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.480 you can blow, and a book of rules on what to say to people 678 01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:59.639 when they pick on you. And another line is, and if you ever 679 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.119 have to go to school, remember how they messed up this old fool. 680 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.519 Don't pick fights with the bullies or the cats, because I'm not much cup 681 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:13.599 at punching other people's dads. And if the homework brings you down, then 682 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:17.560 we'll throw it on the fire and take the car downtown. Love it, 683 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:28.199 Love it, so let's hear the sun. Will you stay in a love 684 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:34.319 a story? If you stay, you won't be sorry because we believe in 685 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:42.640 you. Soon you'll grow, So take a chance with a couple of gooks. 686 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:49.680 I'm a bromance sing Will you stay in a love a story? If 687 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:58.359 you stay, you won't be sorry because we believe in you. So you'll 688 01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:03.039 grow, So take a chance with a couple of cooks. I'm a banoon 689 01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:15.680 man saying, we bought a lot of things to keep you warm and dry, 690 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:21.439 and a funny old crip on which the paints won't dry. I bought 691 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:27.159 you a pan, shoes, a trumpet you can blow, and the book 692 01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:31.000 of rules of what to say to people when they pick on you, because 693 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:36.000 if they stay with us, you're gonna be pretty cookie too. Will you 694 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:43.199 say in a love starry? If you stay? You want this alright, 695 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:50.039 because we believed in you. See your brow, So take a chance with 696 01:09:50.159 --> 01:10:03.680 a couple of cooks. I'm a baloon man saying, And if you ever 697 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:10.159 have to go to school. Remember how they messed up this old fool. 698 01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:15.000 Don't big fights with the brothers on the carts because I've got much got at 699 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:21.119 bunching other people's darts. And if the homework brings you down, then we'll 700 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.079 throw it on the barren. Take the car down town. Will you stay 701 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:32.720 in a love story if you say you won't be a surren? The sweet 702 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:41.880 field in you seeing your brown so'll take a chance when a couple of cooks 703 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:48.720 up an old man say, well, you say in a love story if 704 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:58.279 you say you won't be a surre as we believed in you. So obviously 705 01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:02.960 bo uses the word coop in like calling themselves geeks or something. Today it's 706 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:09.399 sort of self deprecating. And I had to laugh at one of the comments 707 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:14.000 in the comment section on song Meetings because, oh my gosh, somebody wrote 708 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:17.000 in I'm pleased to discover that this was written for a son. I always 709 01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:20.399 thought it was about a couple of old perverts trying to get a younger girl 710 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:31.319 to live with them. A crib weird, Yeah, crib that's a little 711 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:38.199 bit kinky. Yeah, well your crib is your department kind of you know, 712 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.600 true, that's true, But it's like, will you stay in our 713 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:45.279 lover's story. I don't know. There's a couple of lines of fit. 714 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:49.840 She didn't really paid. I was thinking, you know, Jess had to 715 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.560 tug at the heart string song of the week until that one, and I 716 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:58.479 think that one was a little more tugging at the heart strings. I never 717 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:03.600 would have taken in that direction. What which one it lost me? Was 718 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:09.840 more tugging at the heartstrings even really, yeah, I think it's very sweet, 719 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.079 like tugging in a good way. Yeah, okay, okay, good, 720 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:19.880 okay. So. Patrick O'Neill, a history professor at Methodist University in 721 01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.319 Fayetteville, North Carolina, wrote in an article Cooks seemed to have been written 722 01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:30.039 from the perspective of a member of the gender bending counterculture who's struggling to figure 723 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:33.920 out how to be apparent when all the examples of fatherhood around him mimic the 724 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:40.319 authority structures those folks were fighting against, Just says O'Neill, Bowie solves that 725 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:44.479 problem by inviting his child into his life, which I thought was very cool. 726 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.520 When asked in twenty thirteen if Koks was written for him, Duncan said, 727 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.720 truth is it was written to pass coded messages to the KGB controllers in 728 01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:02.560 Moscow. I was just a cover, Joel. It's great joke. Keep 729 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:09.359 them guessing. The British indie band the Kooks named themselves after this song. 730 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.479 And that's my child song, my baby song. That was a good one. 731 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.119 I enjoyed that. Thank you, Mercedes. I wish David Bowie was 732 01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:29.359 my dad. Be interesting? Yes, nice? All right, John, 733 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:34.800 your turn, Okay, everybody. My selection for tonight was Lullaby, good 734 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:40.079 Night My Angel. It is the seventh track from Billy Joel's nineteen ninety three 735 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:45.399 album River of Dreams, released in nineteen ninety four as a fourth and final 736 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.800 single for the album. I know you're so shocked that I would pick something 737 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:54.560 from Billy Joel. Anyway, I'll tell you a little bit about the song 738 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.880 here, we'll listen to it. I have a couple of little snippets after 739 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.159 that. You know this, it's an interesting topic for me, you know, 740 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:05.479 given my work. I spend my days working with children with various special 741 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:11.720 needs, so it's it has a kind of a significant meaning to me. 742 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.079 When you're talking about children, I should say, or babies or juveniles, 743 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.840 whatever you want to call it. Billy Joel wrote this as a lullaby for 744 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:25.039 his then seven year old daughter, Alexa Ray, in response to her question 745 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:29.920 where do we go when we die? Now? I did not know that 746 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.560 this was written in response to that specific question until I did a little bit 747 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:39.159 of research on here in twenty sixteen. Billy Joel said he told Alexa when 748 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:43.840 she first asked him about life after death. He said, after you die, 749 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:46.880 you go into other people's hearts and they take you with them through their 750 01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:51.359 lives, and then you pass that along to your children. She seemed content 751 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.359 with that answer. It was kind of a scary question, but the answer 752 01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:00.439 made sense to her. So without further ado, let's go to the song 753 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.000 and we'll talk about it afterwards. Good Night, my angel, Time to 754 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:15.520 close your eyes and save these questions. Foreign are the day. I think 755 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:23.239 I know what you've been asking me. I think you know what I've been 756 01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:33.439 trying to say. I promised I would neverve you, and you should always 757 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:45.680 know wherever you may go, no matter where you are, I never will 758 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:55.399 be far away. Good Night, my angel. Now it's time to sleep, 759 01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:04.640 and still so many things I want to say. Remember all the songs 760 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:15.600 you sang for me when we went sailing on an emerald bab and like a 761 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:29.640 board out on the old Shane. I'm rocking you to sleep the waters dark 762 01:16:30.119 --> 01:17:05.439 and deep inside this anchient heart, You'll always be upart of me. Good 763 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:14.840 Night, my Angel. Now it's time to dream and dream how wonderful your 764 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:21.439 life will be. Sunday your child may cry. And if you sing this 765 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:31.119 lallaby, then in your heart there will all always be a part of me. 766 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.319 Sunday will all be gone, but La llah By is gone and on 767 01:17:51.680 --> 01:18:13.600 they never die. That's how you and I Whooby Lullaby good Night My Angel 768 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:17.000 by Billy Joel. It's an interesting song. Again, it's always I always 769 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.680 like to see where people's inspiration comes for their music, and this one was 770 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:27.479 fairly obvious, but it also kind of goes deeper. I think into the 771 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:33.239 struggle that adults have in trying to address difficult topics with children, and the 772 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:39.000 surprising ways that children cope and deal with them, as I know all too 773 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:43.159 well in my daily work. A couple of interesting points here. On the 774 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.399 River of Dreams album, he wrote each song in reaction to the one that 775 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:51.239 came before it, and Lullaby was written to precede the title track. He 776 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:55.840 wrote it as a piano piece and had the melody before he came up with 777 01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:58.319 the lyrics. I could just kind of picture of my mind. I'm trying 778 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.159 to put this together. There's a gentle idea was for it to be a 779 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:06.479 part of a suite with the River of Dreams. Another interesting point about this 780 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:11.399 song because right about this time, Billy Joe was also going through a breakup 781 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:15.680 with his then wife, Christie Brinkley, and he didn't want his daughter to 782 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.079 feel like she was being abandoned in the midst of a split with his then 783 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:23.279 wife, so he used the song to reassure her that he'd always be around. 784 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.439 That's a little bit of the song. It's it's good good kind of 785 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.000 I don't know what didn't say a special meaning to me, but it certainly 786 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.399 had an interesting meaning tip to me, a bit of a different take than 787 01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:36.279 some of the other songs we've been hearing tonight. It was I would say, 788 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:41.880 was this a little sappy? Probably? But I think that's okay because 789 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.359 when you're dealing with kids sometimes it can be a challenging subject to talk about, 790 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:47.960 So okay, we'll enjoy. Yeah, it's a very stripped down, 791 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.720 simple, not a simple song but stripped down, you know, him and 792 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:57.640 a piano with some background instruments. Yes, it was like a Neil Young 793 01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:00.720 almost, you know, just guitar and him kind of feel. Yeah, 794 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.760 it's it's interesting. What's interesting is that it really shows the talent of the 795 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:14.000 musician here and how he can take this deep discussion with his daughter about her 796 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:18.399 question about death and also about his separation from his then wife and tie it 797 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:24.439 all together to a really beautiful piece of music. And it's a testament to 798 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:28.279 his talent as a musician. I should say so, agree, I hope, 799 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:31.399 yes, so, thank you, Hope you all enjoyed. That was 800 01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:33.880 a good one. I like that song. Yeah, yes, yes, 801 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:39.600 it's good. All right, one more quick break and then one more selection 802 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.600 to go. And if I don't say myself, say so of myself. 803 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.520 You don't want to miss this, so stick around. We'll be right back. 804 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:50.479 Brian. Yes, can I can? I tell the audience what you 805 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:57.560 wrote on our little chart? Okay? He literally wrote it's a surprise, 806 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:00.560 so we don't even know what the song is. Everybody listening out there, 807 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.680 we are all going to be as surprised as you are, So I'm expecting 808 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:09.479 it to be good. I'm scared as you should, probably with good reason. 809 01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:14.079 Yeah, all right, we will be right back Hudson River Radio. 810 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:25.640 Your dog likes us Hudson River Radio dot com and welcome back. One more 811 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:29.560 selection to go before I forget Allison. Thank you for joining us tonight and 812 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:34.439 for hoppings your pleasure to hang out with the Crambones. Thank you. I 813 01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:40.000 highly recommend to have you here. You have to check out Getting Dirty because 814 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:44.000 it's not only about farming, but it's gardening and it's tips and all that. 815 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.680 And and I will never forgive Allison and her co host Van because now 816 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:53.039 I have tomatoes growing in the home studio if you will time this fines, 817 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:58.319 I got avocados to grow, and lemon trees and all these things are in 818 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.479 this tighty little room. Yeah, and something I never would have done without 819 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:06.119 a little coaxing from the two of them. So thank you both. What 820 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:11.000 else can I say? All right, are you ready, Crambones? Put 821 01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:16.560 your seatbelt? Scared will ever be? We are going back first to the 822 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:29.880 mid fifteen hundreds in Italy. Yeah you were mid fifteen hundreds. Boy, 823 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:33.199 you're going way back. Is that a good wind? Yeah, you're gonna 824 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:36.319 be thankful you were not a kid back then. Let's just leave it. 825 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:42.079 You'll see what I mean. So, the predominant religion in Italy at the 826 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:46.600 time was Catholicism, as we've talked about before, usually on on our Winter 827 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:51.279 holiday episodes. The Catholic Church was the largest benefactor of music at the time, 828 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:56.239 along with royalty. There were no record companies, there was nothing like 829 01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.439 that. If you had a composer, they were hired by somebody to piece, 830 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:02.640 usually for a specific occasion. So church had a lot of money. 831 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:06.560 The royalties had a lot of money and they were able to hire these composers, 832 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.600 and these composers would write beautiful pieces. They contained notes combined from the 833 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.920 lowest low, the real low based notes, to the highest highs, and 834 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.640 all these notes blend together, and if you're a good composer, you know 835 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:23.319 what you're doing. It sounds really good. The singers of the highest highs 836 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.720 are known as sopranos mezzo sopranos. They're the ones who singing super high. 837 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:32.479 When it came to church music, specifically, women were banned from singing because 838 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:39.000 it was deemed too seductive, a problem that we still have today. Right, 839 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:45.960 I'll think of that next time I put my choir ropes on. There 840 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.039 you go, you gotta tread lately there. I'm afraid I know where this 841 01:23:50.159 --> 01:24:01.239 is going. Yeah, sit tight. So choir would use young boys to 842 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:08.279 substitute for these women because they had higher voice and as we know, without 843 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.880 picking a fight. The Catholic Church has a wonderful history with young boys, 844 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:17.039 right right, So as time goes on, what happens to kids they grow 845 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:23.079 up? Right, their voices change. The Church would spend all this time, 846 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:27.600 all this money training these kids, practicing with these young boys, just 847 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.319 like music school today. They would go to music theory classes, they would 848 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.560 learn how to compose, they would learn how to conduct, and in just 849 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:38.760 a few short years, these boys would just minuto themselves out of their jobs 850 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:45.319 by growing up. Just when I was thinking, yeah, so what if 851 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:51.159 there was a way to stop these high pitched voices from changing? Oh yeah, 852 01:24:51.880 --> 01:25:00.520 there just might be away back in the HU, I guess the snip 853 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:06.720 predated counter tenors. M. Yeah, we're talking ye old snip from both 854 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:12.279 the old Yeah. We're not going to get into exact specifics on how snip 855 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.039 snip was done, but I will say that many boys were actually killed by 856 01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:21.119 an opium overdose, which was administered before the procedure was performed. These kidnren 857 01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:28.479 sake God for the opium, right. Sometimes if they didn't have opium, 858 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:32.479 or in addition to they would compress the carotid arteries on the kid's neck until 859 01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:38.920 the kid passed out, and then they would submerge him in an ice bath 860 01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:45.960 in order to perform yield snip snip Right, sounds like those things where you 861 01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:49.600 wake up in a hotel bath stubb full of ice with no kidney. Yeah, 862 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:53.279 I was gonna say, I've definitely seen this movie. This is much 863 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:57.039 much worse. You have two kidneys. I mean, technically you have two. 864 01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:02.399 You know, they tended to take them both. Oh man bakes welcome 865 01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:08.399 back, Alison at Yeah, I know. I'm like, and what planet 866 01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:12.359 is this logical thinking? Oh, oh, don't worry, we'll figure it 867 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:17.439 out here. So if this boy recovered, if he survived, the recovery 868 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:21.800 would be about two weeks before he was back up on his feet. Proverbally 869 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:29.359 speaking, these boys would be known as castrati. They would not go through 870 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:34.319 puberty like a regular young man would. They would just develop a little bit 871 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:40.159 differently. A side effect of their procedure was that the growth plates in their 872 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:44.680 bones didn't fuse, so they would often grow super tall, over six foot 873 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:49.479 three, which was considered giant back then. They would have huge rib cages 874 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:54.479 like big barrel chest rib cages, which gave them powerful voices and the ability 875 01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:58.680 to hold notes much longer than most other singers could. Most of the time, 876 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.840 they didn't go bald because male pattern baldness is caused by testosterone, which 877 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.960 they were now lacking. They didn't age at the normal rate, and most 878 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.000 of them had baby faces for most of their lives. They looked much younger 879 01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:13.760 than they were, and they may or may not have had tons of affairs 880 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:18.000 depending on what resource you read, because they couldn't be a dad. Yep, 881 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:26.279 right, okay, So technically speaking, the church banned the practice early 882 01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:29.319 on, as in, no, no, don't do this, but if 883 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.159 you do, boy, we have a job for you. You know, 884 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:39.439 say what you will about following the rules. So technically they weren't allowed to 885 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:43.600 do this, So a lot of these boys would be given excuses to tell 886 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:48.039 the church, such as they were kicked in the crotch by a horse or 887 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:53.840 some other type of tragic crotch related accident that would allow them to keep their 888 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:58.720 high pitched voices and sound young, and then they were brought into the choir. 889 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.279 The height of popularity for these voices was around seventeen twenty. In the 890 01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:11.680 seventeen twenties, when an estimated four thousand boys were castrated annually, oh mike 891 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:17.800 annually. Most of them were from poor families and their parents were hoping that 892 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.760 their son would be able to make a good living and support the family. 893 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:28.520 Huh. There were a few boys who actually asked to have the procedure done 894 01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:30.840 because they wanted to preserve their voice and that was the line of work that 895 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.479 they wanted to go into. But just like now, the odds of a 896 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:41.600 successful solo music career were not very good. You were the odds were stacked 897 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:45.800 against you. But being a professional singer in a choir, in a church 898 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.760 choir was a steady job. They would always have a paycheck, they would 899 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.279 have a roof over their head, they would have food to eat, and 900 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:56.000 if they wanted to quit the choir, the church would quietly ordain them and 901 01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:00.720 give them another job to do somewhere else within the organization. And so it 902 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.520 was kind of a safe path for these boys to take. However, some 903 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:10.239 castrati were discovered in these choirs and then went on to have superstar careers in 904 01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.760 opera. They would leave the church and they would go into basically the secular 905 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:17.359 side of things and have these huge opera careers, and they were easily on 906 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:21.680 par with some of the biggest stars of today. The practice was not officially 907 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:28.880 made illegal in Italy until either eighteen sixty one or eighteen seventy again depending on 908 01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.960 which you know source you're looking at. But we're talking about the time of 909 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:36.560 the US Civil War. This all relap with that. It wasn't that long 910 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:45.640 ago. I'm still stuck on castrat Yeah, wow, I gotta take a 911 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:55.720 sip tog. Where on the internet there's a video with audio of one of 912 01:29:55.800 --> 01:30:00.760 the last cupstoms. Sit tight here now, relax, relax, you don't 913 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:05.439 just yet. Bryan did his homework. I did my homer. Only one 914 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:10.720 castrato was known to have made solo recordings, as Gail just alluded to. 915 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:16.840 His name was Alessandro Moreski. Now, remember the phonograph was invented in eighteen 916 01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:23.399 seventy seven, right around this time, not long after the last official snip 917 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:27.840 snip, So there was a little bit of overlap there. Alessandro was born 918 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.680 in Italy in eighteen fifty eight, just before the start of the US Civil 919 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.119 War. Nobody is really sure when he had the procedure, but it could 920 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:38.880 have been as late as eighteen sixty five, which may have been illegal at 921 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:43.520 that point, again depending on which resource you use. But long story short, 922 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:47.239 his ability was recognized early by the Church and he was recruited into the 923 01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:53.640 Sistine Chapel choir, which was pretty good, pretty big in the Vatican. 924 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:59.000 Sometime before eighteen eighty six. He was promoted to what we would call the 925 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:03.640 director in eighteen ninety one. He was immensely popular, especially in the Vatican, 926 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:06.079 but he never jumped to opera. He probably could have had a real 927 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:10.560 big career in opera, but he decided to stay with the Church for his 928 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.279 entire career. He died in nineteen twenty two at age sixty three, so 929 01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:17.520 one hundred and one years ago, not that long ago in the grand scheme 930 01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:23.399 of things, fortunately for us. In nineteen o two and again in nineteen 931 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:28.800 o four, Alessandro made some recordings in the Vatican. He recorded a total 932 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.760 of seventeen songs. Unfortunately, by this time, he was a little bit 933 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:35.319 past his prime and he didn't sound as good as he did when he was 934 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:41.840 younger. The critics kind of harped on him a little bit. The vocal 935 01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.720 stylings back then are not the same as we're used to now, so that 936 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.479 they sound a little bit weird to us. So I picked a song that 937 01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:54.680 we all know. I went with Ave Maria so we can focus on him 938 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:59.159 instead of focusing on a new song that we haven't heard before. This one 939 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:01.960 was recorded in nineteen oh four. It was recorded on a wax cylinder, 940 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:06.720 and remember at the time, the wax cylinders were mechanical recording device, not 941 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:12.000 electronic like we have now. It was a needle that would vibrate against the 942 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.880 wax cylinder as it was spinning, so you had to be loud. There 943 01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:17.760 wasn't a whole lot of dynamics, not a lot of soft sounds in there, 944 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:20.800 because the needle wouldn't vibrate enough to pick it up, so everybody had 945 01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:25.279 to be loud. The instruments had to be loud, so the dynamics aren't 946 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:29.439 there like you would expect nowadays. There's a little weirdness going on with his 947 01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:31.960 vocal jumps because again, the wax cylinder doesn't pick things up that great. 948 01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:35.239 But what he's actually doing, he's jumping up and down a tenth. He's 949 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:40.039 jumping more than an octave, which is kind of an impressive thing to do. 950 01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:44.000 When you hear and when you know what he's doing, then you kind 951 01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:45.119 of understand it. If you don't know what he's doing, it just sounds 952 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:50.239 like something's wrong. The recording quality kind of kind of messes things up. 953 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:56.520 So why don't we have a listen to the only known recorded Castrado doing a 954 01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:00.600 solo. Remember this is a big boy with a little voice here, I'm 955 01:33:00.640 --> 01:36:08.680 a Maria from nineteen o four. So ho say, and now I'd like 956 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.039 to open the floor to comments from the crambones. Yeah he was good, 957 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:17.000 a little squeaky there. I am speechless, but I'm often speechless after Brian's 958 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:24.880 picks. So that voice was a early forties, forty one forty two year 959 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:30.520 old man. Yeah, yeah, that was Mercedes. You had to pick 960 01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:34.920 babies, right, I had had to go there. You know, we 961 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:39.640 have to be very careful about Brian in our next few topics. Yes, 962 01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:43.560 let's all be very selective, ladies and gentlemen, Look, it's interesting, 963 01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.079 for sure. I've never heard anything about any of that. I never heard 964 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:51.199 of it either. Yeah, it's it's a fascinating subject. I mean I've 965 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:56.680 heard of a lot of things and dating back to the Middle Ages and you 966 01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:00.960 know, and going all the way forward into the eighteenth cent tree early nineteenth 967 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:04.840 century. But this one, Bryan, if nothing else, this is why 968 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:12.560 you don't run with scissors. Yeah, let up out. I've heard it's 969 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:18.479 suffering for your art. But no, no, nowadays approachols. You can 970 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:25.479 just transpose it up. You know, nowadays they have women playing those roles 971 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:29.920 in opera. At least you got to be careful with that seduction there in 972 01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:33.119 church and if you really need to get a counter tenor, or if there 973 01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:39.800 are any left, there is one actually that I have heard sing at the 974 01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:45.399 church that I go to in somers Oh, you have to just tell us 975 01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:53.960 what that means. Account Peter Sara from Chicago. What Peter Satara from chic 976 01:37:55.359 --> 01:38:01.640 is a male who can sing really really hot, really really realized. And 977 01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:06.800 if they're good and they're singing a piece you'll like, it'll give you chills. 978 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:12.640 There used to be a counter tenor in there was this group years ago. 979 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:17.439 Becky has probably heard of them, the Waverley Consort, Yeah, I 980 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:24.279 think so. Yeah. They were a medieval group and they used to do 981 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:31.880 a performance called the Christmas Story at Rockland Community College and they played medieval instruments 982 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:39.119 and they sang period music and they had a counter channel. I'm getting chills 983 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:45.560 just thinking about. Oh my gosh, was he good. I'm getting killed 984 01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:56.840 about the proceed I have to say hearing hearing this counter tenor in this past 985 01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:01.039 year in two performances it was. There were some fundraising concerts for the Ukraine. 986 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:06.880 Oh boy, I just I don't know. You close your eyes and 987 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:12.720 it sounds like it's a woman. Open your eyes and the dude, you're 988 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.920 just confused. You're just like, wait a minute, because this particular one 989 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:18.840 not only did he sound like a woman, we kind of looked like a 990 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:24.319 woman. Okay. And I'm just like, I'm just a bass clarinetist, 991 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:28.720 like I can hardly hear in those opp barches, you know, like the 992 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.760 whole thing is just breaking me out. Oh please let me hear some bass 993 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:38.439 notes. When a counter channer is good, they're really good. Yeah. 994 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:42.640 And you know, I used to work for Glimmerglass opera and I just so 995 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:48.840 much prefer seeing the women play with it's called a pants roll. Okay, 996 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:54.960 so instead of because we don't do the snip snip that Brian was talking about. 997 01:39:56.039 --> 01:40:00.359 So those roles that were written, especially both arts operas, they're played 998 01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:02.279 by women. So women dressed up like little boys and you know, like 999 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:06.560 that's a pants role and it's fun and they're usually you know, fun and 1000 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:11.000 cute and I don't know, it's it's kind it's fun to see women do 1001 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:15.920 those roles because they really get into it and I don't know, maybe they're 1002 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:19.039 really trying like to overdo it playing a little boy or something. I don't 1003 01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:21.920 know, this is really funny. That could be fun. Yeah, I 1004 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:27.840 think it's I think it's funny and really really fun. More power to those 1005 01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:30.479 women doing those pants roles. So we have to make one of those selections 1006 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:34.439 when we finally get the Crambones band together. Oh yeah, yeah, we're 1007 01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:39.399 going to do that. Yeah, good luck. I'm sure it wasna I 1008 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:45.399 have I've never had a band like. Somebody will do it. We're good, 1009 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:48.800 Ryan. It's it's very interesting to me that there are some there are 1010 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:56.800 some benefits to what to the snip stiff, like, what was it? 1011 01:40:57.079 --> 01:41:00.279 No balding they get their faces were very young. Yeah, they would keep 1012 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:04.960 their baby faces. Usually they didn't have bald you know, the growth plates 1013 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:11.199 didn't fuse, so they would grow super tall. So all right, we're 1014 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:14.279 going to get into with them. I'll go with the baldness. Okay, 1015 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:19.159 you know right now. Okay, I'm going to tread on the edge of 1016 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:27.720 it. So this was not precision laparoscopic surgery, so it wouldn't necessarily be 1017 01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:31.920 one hundred percent effective. So there may be a few cells left over that 1018 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:39.399 would produce just enough testosterone to allow certain functions and not others, which I'm 1019 01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:42.319 gonna let you, you know, finish that thought and all that. So 1020 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.319 yeah, but you know what, thanks, knife could slip too, you 1021 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:48.479 know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you're saying 1022 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:54.840 the benefits are not guaranteed. Anyway. I hate to change the subject, 1023 01:41:54.840 --> 01:42:02.960 but how about those Mets, Yeah, playing with all their balls? Yea, 1024 01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:10.840 Actually, if you're a Met fan, probably not too much, and 1025 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:15.119 not this year. The Yankees. Yeah, all right, right, I 1026 01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.159 want I want to thank you for this. Yeah, that is the Yeah, 1027 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:23.760 this is the time to pull the plug. Yeah, we're definitely pulling 1028 01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:28.560 the plug now. So thank you all for the Rock and Rolling Show. 1029 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.600 I never thought i'd see the day that we would hear at on this show. 1030 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:36.960 Oh yeah. I like a challenge, so we have to see what's 1031 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:43.319 coming in the future. Because all right, thank you everybody for joining us 1032 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:46.600 here. 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