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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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talk about the new opponent for Tim
Zoo and you'll hear Tim Zoo talking about

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Sebastian Fondorra and how this all came
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All right, A funny thing happened
out of the way to Keith Thurman's first

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fight in about two years and only
his second fight in the last five years.

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He's injured and so he's unable to
fight with a bicep injury. As

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it turns out, in training scramble
mode for Premiere Boxing Champions And can I

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say this to you as the lead
in We're gonna hear from Tim Zoo about

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it in a few moments. This
is a better fight. This is a

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better fight with Sebastiev Ondra. That's
me saying that. All right, your

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thoughts on everything that went down and
now Fondora is the opponent. No,

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I agree with you about that.
I do find it to be a more

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intriguing fight and it's nothing against Keith
Thurman. I actually didn't think that was

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like that. There were so many
people that were so negative about them the

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fight. I think the negativity was
not about the matchup. I think the

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negativity was more that it was on
a seventy five dollars pay per view.

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As I said all along, we
can have our conversations about, you know,

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being a pay per view. That's
a different conversation in terms of the

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matchup. I didn't have a problem
with the Tim Zu matchup against Keith Thurman,

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but I am more intrigued by the
matchup against Fondora. And I know

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there are those who are like,
wow, he got knocked out in his

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last fight, which is a while
ago, when he got stopped, you

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know, very shockingly against Brian Mendoza, a fight by the way, that

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Vandora had won basically every single second, and he got caught. It happens.

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But if we're going to be in
the type of people that often say,

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well, you shouldn't really just destroy
a guy over one loss, this

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is that exact the Zach moment to
not do that. Yeah, he got

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knocked out, Okay, he lived
to fight another day. Not an entertaining

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fighter. Is it something that an
intriguing matchup. He's a natural one hundred

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and fifty four pounder. He's not
moving up away class like Thurman. He's

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a younger guy, twenty six,
not thirty five. He has been far

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more active Keith Thurman. As we
talked about massive inactivity. This would have

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been his third fight in like,
you know, seven years or something like

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that. So I find it to
be more intriguing. I find tim Zeus,

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you know, the stones he has
to take this kind of match on

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twelve days notice, where not only
it's hard enough as a boxer to change

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the style of your opponent completely on
short notice. So not only is he

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switching from a five eight five nine
tall Keith Thurman to a six foot six

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Sebastian Fundora, the Towering Inferno,
he's also switching to a left handed fighter

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from a right handed fighter. Most
boxers would have pause to make one of

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those changes. He's doing both of
them. And for those who say,

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well, it's short notice for Ferndora
also, I would say, yeah,

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of course it is. But Fandora
is in training. He's been on this

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card all along. Remember he was
originally supposed to fight Boachek for the vacant

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WBC fifty four pound title. So
he's been in camp. It's not like

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he's suddenly brought in off the couch
and he's going to be in the ring.

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He's been in a full training camp
also, and in my opinion,

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besides the fact that it's a better
fight in the ring, more interesting to

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me for the reasons we just discussed, the stakes are higher. When he

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was going to fight against Tim Zuo
against Thurman, it was one hundred and

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fifty five pound non title fight because
and I agreed with this assessment, the

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WBO had declined to sanction it as
a world title fight. Zoo of course

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has the WBO title, but because
of Thurman's inactivity, because of the fact

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that he was moving up and weight, because he wasn't a ranked by the

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WBA, all those factors, they're
like, we'll give you the permission to

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take the non title fight. Obviously, if he lost, he would lose

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the title, but it wasn't going
to count as a title defense. Now

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he's fighting an actual one hundred and
fifty four pounder that's been active and is

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you know, in the rankings,
and is young and all that. So

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now not only is a WBO title
defense for Tim Zoo. They bring along

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the vacant title that Vendora was supposed
to fight for in the first place,

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so it's for a unification fight.
Yeah, So he goes from a non

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title to a unification in you know, twenty four hours. And for those

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concerned about Boachek, he stays on
the card. He'll fight Brian Mendoza,

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who is the guy that Tim Zu
beat in his last fight, who knocked

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out Fondor, but he's gonna come
back from that, and they'll fight for

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the WBC interim title at one hundred
and fifty four pounds. That'll be on

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the free part of the of the
prime video before the pay per view,

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along with the previously announced fight between
Elijah Garci and Cayron Davis. And they

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took the Julio Cesar Martinez fight,
his Flyway title defense against Cordova, which

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if you remember, was postponed from
December when it was supposed to be on

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the final showtime card, but there
was a visa problem and so it got

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delayed. So they've taken that fight
from the freeview and they've moved it onto

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the pay per view. The bottom
line is the fights are intact. Boachek

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is not being a grief. He's
still fighting for a belt. I'm sure

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he's still getting his purse. Fondora
is gonna make a lot more money.

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It's a unification fight. Now we
think it's a better matchup. Blah blah

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blah blah blah. So again,
you can inquire all you want about the

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pay per view aspect of the fight, fine, But in terms of an

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event, as something I'm interested in
as a fan, we got a bunch

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of good fights. Zoo Fondora is
a good fight, Roly Romero Pittbull Cruise

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is an interesting fight, Lara Zarafa
blah blah blah. Forget about that.

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Martinez Cordova nice fight. And the
free fights between Garcia Davis and Boachick Mendoza.

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They're free and those are good matchups
also, So I'm in all right.

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And again this is making lemonade out
of a lemon here, which twel

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days to go, and we got
a pretty good batch of lemonade. It's

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sweet, it's got some sugar.
So I want to add to the discussion.

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But why wait, Because when all
of this went down earlier this week,

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you were on a media call with
Tim Zoo hastily called media call.

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I'll explain that a little bit.
How that happens. So, I mean

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you suddenly got notification, Hey we're
going to make Tim available, right and

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we're about to hear from him,
But go ahead explain it. So when

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the change happened on when he found
out Sunday night that that that there was

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the possibility or the probability that Keith
was going to be out because it wasn't

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one hundred percent. He was going
to see the doctor on Monday, which

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is apparently what happened. He had
an MRI and he was ruled out of

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the fight. At that point,
they brought in Fundorra and you know worked

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everything out. It was, you
know, complicated, but not that complicated

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when you think about it, but
it takes time. I mean it's a

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fluid situation, got a lot of
people you got to do with. So

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he was ready, willing and able
to go. And when they finally made

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that announcement official later in the day
on Monday, that that was in fact

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what was happening. His promoter from
Australia, No Limit Boxing, I got

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a notification that Tim was going to
be available on a zoom call for a

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little bit and it was at ten
o'clock at night Eastern time. I would

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getting I was getting my time zones
all mixed up. He's training in Las

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Vegas, so it was seven o'clock
Pacific time, but it was really geared

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towards the Australian media, where obviously
he's got a a big following in a

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lot of fans, and where they're
talking about like noon the next day in

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Australia exactly. So when I saw
that, so I jumped. I got

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on the call a couple of minutes
late, but I had the opportunity on

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that Zoom call, and I've now
interviewed him, you know a few times,

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so I had a chance to ask
him a few questions. So we're

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going to now play for our listeners
the segment of that The Zoom calling lasted

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maybe about I don't even think it
lasted. It's probably like fifteen eighteen minutes,

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but I have about a two or
three minutes where I got a chance

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to ask him some questions. So
we're going to play that part where I

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asked him to about the specifics of
the switch. Just i'd like to hear

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your just your general reaction to when
and when you were told that Thurman was

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going to be out and what your
reaction was to that in making this change

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like it was. Of course,
it's a shock at first, but it's

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happened a couple of times. From
me said, it's not something that I

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wouldn't say. I'm used to it. It's happened a couple of times.

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Obviously disappointed a first because your hole
preparation, You're focusing on this one block,

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one stall and it's just to switch
sets. Must shift has fuck?

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My shift has changed? Sms cout
over the pic show I'm onto fundor Now

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when did you find out about his
situation last night? So that would have

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been Sunday night in Vegas. Yeah, And the other the other question is

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this. You know, I looked
at this and I'm like, wow,

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you know, got to give Zoo
a lot of credit because not only is

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he switching opponents on twelve days notice
in a very important fight, but he's

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switching from a guy that's like five
nine to a guy that's six' six.

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And he's switching from a as you
were just talking about, switching south

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you know, from a right handed
fighter to a SOUTHBA, which do you

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think is more complicated switching to a
guy that's that much taller, or switching

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to a guy that is now a
left instead of the right you were prepping

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for. And why probably the high
Yeah, because you come up against Southwest

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before, but to come up against
the South without tool, it's not very

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known, especially in the one fifty
four count division, you know. So

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I think that's the biggest challenge that
that have been in front of me,

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just the talls. And did you
have any hesitation whatsoever when the replacements were

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offered? No, I'm not furman
and only two three days to be able

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to analyze it was done like that, they told me, Fandora. Since

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yes, done, all right.
I thank you, Tim, I wish

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you good luck, appreciate it.
I love the fact that he is saying

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this and he said it to the
media, and here it is that he

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wanted this to continue on and he
even said I think this is fascinating.

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Two that in working with Brian Mendoza, he was even working against a Southpaw

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fighter previously, and he has worked
against Southpaw fighters that it doesn't bother him.

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It does not. He was not
going to let that stand in the

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way of postpone. This. He
understands there's a lot riding on not just

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this fight, but if he wins
this fight. And we'll get to that

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in a second, but I think
he should be credited again because there are

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guys that would have said I'm not
fighting a six foot six, dangerous left

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handed guy on twelve days notice.
No, thank you, Tim zu didn't

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say that. Listen. Tim Zuo
is quickly becoming one of my favorite fighters

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for that reason. One he'll he
literally by his actions is showing you'll fight

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anybody. Remember he signed to fight
Charlot, He's taken Fondora on twelve days

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notice and switching to a bigger guy
who's left handed. He's fought whoever they've

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asked him to fight. He's been
ready, willing and able. He's excited

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about the possibility to fight if he
wins. They've made Terrence Crawford the WBO

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mandatory challenger or maybe the WBC which
organization, so there's a possibility that that

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might happen next. That's a great
matchup, I mean, probably the best

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fight that that Crawford could have within
one hundred and fifty four. That's a

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huge, huge interest fight, especially
in Australia. To have Crawford be the

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opponent for Tim Zu Yeah, I
mean he's got to be first obviously,

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But anyway, as far as the
actions that Tim Zoo was taking the combination

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of a very crowd pleasing, entertaining
style and that sort of audacious attitude where

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he's like, I'm fighting anybody and
he's going to make the most and he's

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been We've talked about a million times. He's active. You know, he's

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fought. Uh he fought in a
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and April of this year. I
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twenty two and April of twenty twenty
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he has been off for a little
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he he's just going through the you
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Take that back. He fought three
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coming back in quick order. What
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October was his last fight with men
yep. So he's staying active. So

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this will actually be you know,
his fourth fight in the span of twelve

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months, which is a glorious thing
because he has been able to fight in

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Australia obviously now he's fighting basing himself
in America. So, like I said,

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the style of boxing is exciting and
entertaining. The attitude is he got

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he got bit by a dog and
had surgery and stuff fun. How do

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you not love the guy? It
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on that. All right, So
a lot of stuff there on that.

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A lot of things got settled over
the last couple of days. And here

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you are cutting edge on the big
Fight Weekend preview. You heard from Tim

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Zoo himself about that that Fight Week
next week main event coming Saturday night,

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the thirtieth. We look forward and
out of that fight card, which is

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Zoo and Fundora again, we'll get
to Sanissa Estrada and her undisputed women's trawweight

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unification fight. She talked with Dan
about that, her career, et cetera.

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We'll get to that conversation in a
few moments. First, the most

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prominent fight card for the weekend is
the match Room Desne show with junior welterweight

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contender Dalton Smith on the rise against
veteran Jose Zepeida. How many times have

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we talked about Zappeieda in this role. He's been passed around in this role,

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like the offering played at church,
my friend. That's the main event

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for Saturday in Sheffield, England,
on a card that also has a women's

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world welterweight title fight and Campbell Hatton, the son of Ricky Hatton. So

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give me a little more in the
preview mode because it is a preview podcast

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about that coming Saturday. Well,
he asked about Zappeida, you know,

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kind of being around and fighting this
guy and fighting that guy. But this

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is this is like, by one
hundredfold, the most significant fight that Dulta

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Smith will have taken on because it's
the first, Like I don't mean this

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as a negative towards his past opponents, but the first like quote unquote real

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guy, if that makes sense if
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like an experienced world class level guy, to coin a phrase from the

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Brits, a solid operator, if
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You know, even when he's lost, he's generally been competitive. Dalton Smith

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is an interesting character because he's twenty
seven, so he's not like a young

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young guy. But he's only got
fifteen pro fights, but he's been considered

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one of the best younger fighters,
are up and coming fighters in England for

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quite some time. Fight in front
of the hometown in Sheffield, and this

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is an opportunity against you know,
like I said, a good name,

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a guy that's been in world title
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himself not only on the British stage
of the European stage, but to make

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a point that I can hang with
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stage also. So this is this
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of opponent. So he's fifteen to
ohero with eleven knockouts. A couple of

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years ago, I did have him
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of the year that I like to
talk about. I've been watching him for

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quite a while. He's looked good. He's been beating the guys they put

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in front of him, not like
the superstars. But he's done what he's

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supposed to do. He's won the
British title, you know, he's won

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the Commonwealth title and now he's going
into a bigger level fight. So this

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is for one of the regional titles
of the WBC and in Zappeida, you

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know, he's a little long in
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so that's a different look for him. He's coming off of an absolutely wipeout,

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shutout decision that took place in September
against the excellent up and comer,

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also undefeated Richardson Hitchins, the New
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wipeout. But that's a totally The
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and eighty degrees from the kind of
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a pure boxer. Hitchins very fast, different kind of situation. So while

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I don't expect Dalton Smith to you
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twenty tw one hundred and eight,
you know, it's it should be a

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little bit more of a test.
But that the style matchup for Supada and

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Hitchins was just brutal. And remember
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title fight with Reachi's Progray back in
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landed some shots on Progray, but
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So we know this name, and
you're right, it's the biggest name

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by far for Dalton Smith. Yeah, no, that was it. Look

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the performance against Pro Gray, that
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was a good you know, the
scoring was you know, Regis was winning

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the fight and he did end up
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like a bad it was a good
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and he got the win. And
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in Mexico and score a victory.
But you know, he's been around for

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a while, He's fought, you
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Vargas, went to his hometown to
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You know, he's beaten. You
know, Ivan baranchik as a former world

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title holder. You know he's been
in the ring with a victory against Jose

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Padraza, who's only lost to pretty
much the best guys. He lost a

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majority decision. By the way,
that was for a world title. That

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was very very close, and you
know, some people would thought that he

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won the fight when he challenged Josey
Ramirez back in twenty nineteen. I mean,

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this is a guy that's been in
with everybody and so it's a great

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test for Dalton Smith, who was
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All right, on that undercard again, Sandy Ryan and Terry Harper battle for

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Ryan's WBO welterweight championship. Tell me
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mean, we look forward to handicapping
in on the US Boxing show as well

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the Dalton Smith main event in this
women's world title fight. Give me a

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little more on this one. Match
Rooms Saturday afternoon in England. Yeah,

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Terry Harper is she's a woman that
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I mean, when you go back
and take a look at her record,

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she won her first world title when
she was the only person to have or

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I take that back, she won
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Her one loss came against Alisha Bombgardner, who went on to become the undisputed

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champion. But then when she was
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didn't just jump up from thirty to
lightweight to junior welterway, she went right

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to junior middleweight and ended up winning
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And then she had in her last
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who was going to be a first
BOTT Hall of Famer, who was the

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forever reigning welterweight undisputed women's champion that
took place back in October. But now

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instead of staying in one hundred and
fifty four pound weight class, she's dropping

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down and wait to challenge Sandy Ryan
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it's you know, it's an all
British kind of fight. Sandy does not

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have as many professional fights. He's
only got seven fights going into the or

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eight fights going into this. She's
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Women's boxing they move much quicker because
there's not there's not a huge universe

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of other women to fight. But
on paper anyway, it does shape up

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like a pretty good fight. Sandy
Ryan's coming off. So you got Harper

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coming off the draw against the City
of brec who's which is nothing to be

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shamed about in that kind of result, and you have Sandy Ryan. She's

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coming off of a somewhat disputed draw
against Jessica mcasko that was in September when

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they were in the fight for the
welterweight belts that were at stake in that

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fight, and so you know,
it shapes up as a co feature on

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this card if you like, if
you follow these two women. They one

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thing about Terry Harper, she usually
makes a very good fight. That's the

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one thing. She's an action kind
of fighter. And so you know,

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I'm not like, I'm not like
overwhelmed by it. It's like I'm like,

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oh my god, I must see
this. But you know, it's

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not a bad fight. I mean, if you like those weight classes,

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if you like women's boxing, it's
definitely the two of the better women out

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there, you know, doing their
thing, and it's kind of a rivalry

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fight, so it should be it
should be pretty solid. And I was

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just thinking this when you were saying
this. We talk about these women's championship

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fights over and over and over again. We cover the sport every which direction

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men women. Very rarely is there
a dull or bad women's fight. Almost

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all of them have some action to
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Who knows what we're gonna get out
of this one. But you don't

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see stink bombs. We've seen plenty
of stink bombs already in the start of

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twenty twenty four on the men's side. You rarely see a women's title fight

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be a stink one. And the
story of Terry Harper's is like it can

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only happen in boxing. She was
like a waitress, you know, serving

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beers and fishing chips or whatever,
and then she started the box and she

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ends up, you know, winning
a world championship kind of out of nowhere.

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I mean, she did have the
one knockout loss to Bomb Gardner,

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but she's rebounded well from that.
She's won three in a row. She

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got the dry in the last fight, and she's making money, and she's

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putting on good fights, and she's
bringing in fans. And you know,

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Sandy Ryan doesn't have that the number
of fights that she has, but she's

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kind of, you know, doing
her thing. Also, she's been fighting

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you know, good quality opponents.
And this is just another example we talked

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about all the time. In women's
boxing, getting the best women to fight

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the other best women is way easier
than it is in men's boxing for various

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reasons, and this is that kind
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That's where the money is. Campbell
Hatton also, as I made mention

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on the Rise, also a junior
Welter Waite has the name. Is this

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James Flint gonna even be a test
here or are we too early in the

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test phase for Campbell Hatton here?
I think this is actually a step up

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for the types of opponents that Campbell
has been fighting when he turned professional.

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He's, of course the son of
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and when he turned pro, Like
a lot of sons of fighters, or

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in the case of like a Leay
Lally, the daughter of a fighter,

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they start out and it's the attention
they receive is strictly based on the name

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value of their parent, whether it's
Juliossar, Chad As Junior, Shane Mosley,

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you know Junior. Obviously Campbell hadn't. I mean, we can go

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there's a there's a ton of them
over the years. So when I first

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saw Campbell had I'm like, this
kid is terrible. He literally can't fight

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at all, Like, I don't
know what is up with this. He

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couldn't throw a punch the right way. Not trained by Ricky, trained by

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his uncle Matthew, who was a
longtime professional. But again they turned pro

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at a young age. You got
to give him time to develop. So

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I didn't like, you know,
rip him or write you know, bad

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things about him, like okay,
let's see what he can do. And

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he's he's winning, but it's like, dude, what is you just?

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You're not good? I mean,
what are we going to turn the corner?

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I have to be honest. He's
starting to turn the corner and I'm

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glad to see it. So he's
looked pretty decent. He still doesn't have

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a ton of knockouts, not a
lot of punching power. Five knockouts and

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fourteen wins, but he's got no
losses and I think this is now it's

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his first time he's going to be
fighting for any kind of title, and

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in Britain it's like a big deal
when you fight for the lesser, like

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before you even get to the British
title, you might fight for like the

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Southern Area title. He's fighting for
the Central Area title in the one hundred

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and forty pound way class. And
James Flint, who is his opponent,

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who's thirteen one and two. I
can't tell you he's a world class level

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fighter because he's probably not. But
again, this is the level that he's

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at where it is considered a step
up for him as well as probably for

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James Flint, and they're gonna see, you know, if Math, if

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not Matthew, if Campbell can win
his first belt, because you know,

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James Flint goes into this fight as
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and again a work in progress,
and see if he can continue to develop,

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and if he can, obviously because
of his last name and the passion

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that the fans have had for his
father for all those years, you know,

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maybe he can do something. One
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Campbell haddn't had basically very very little, if any, amateur background, and

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he's only twenty three years old.
He's being molded from scratch, so he's

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basically in the early professional fights.
It is his amateur career. So I

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give him the benefit of the doubt, and I'm actually interested because I do

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think that this matchup is a step
up for him. Okay, again,

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that's the match room. Deszone shows
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forward to those without further delay.
As we progress on our preview. She

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is in the top rank ESPN main
event on the undercard of Oscar Valdez and

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Liam Wilson that is coming next Friday
night, the twenty ninth of March,

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Snissa Strada and Jocasta Vallet for the
women's strawweight Unified World Championships. You don't

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have to wait till next week to
hear from Sinnisastrata. You can hear from

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her right now. It's my pleasure
to be joined on the podcast this week

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by none other than the Unified Women's
strawweight Champion, minimum weight champion, however

403
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,319
you want to call it, Sonise
estradas you have a very big fight coming

404
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,680
up and were heard to talk all
about it. First of all, welcome

405
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,559
to the show. Thank you so
much for joining me, Thank you for

406
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,039
having me. It's my pleasure.
So we'll tell the folks. You are

407
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,880
gonna defend your two titles and go
after the other two titles to try to

408
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,039
become the undisputed champion in your way
class against Jocasta Vaye. She's the IBF

409
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,920
and WBO champion. You are the
WBC and the WBA champion. You're going

410
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,599
to take each other on ESPN Plus
at the Desert Diamond Arena in Glendell,

411
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,599
Arizona, March twenty ninth. Heck
of a fight, heck of a card.

412
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,920
Actually, we're gonna get to that. But first of all, just

413
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,960
I know that anytime a champion is
wins a title and then they get to

414
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,240
unify, I've heard a million times
in my career it's always I want to

415
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,559
be undisputed. So now you're on
the doorstep, just just give me your

416
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:47,799
general thoughts about just being so close
to what the ultimate goal is for every

417
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:53,240
boxer. Yeah, a disputers is
something I've been wanting for a long time

418
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:59,039
now, and I feel like it's
long overdue. You know, I'm on

419
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,640
the top five pound for poundless and
I and everyone who's ahead of me is

420
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,480
undisputed. So I just feel like
it's it's been long overdue for me to

421
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,440
become undisputed. So I'm excited that
it's finally happening, happening. It's a

422
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,079
fight that I've been wanting to make
for a couple of years now, so

423
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,839
I'm happy that it's happening now it
didn't happen before because now it's such a

424
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,359
better time. The women's boxing as
far as exposure and people being more interested

425
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,160
in women's boxing. So when you
started your professional career in twenty eleven,

426
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,480
could you have imagined that a you'd
be a pro for thirteen years, that

427
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,640
you'd be the unified champion and you'd
be about to fight for the undisputed title.

428
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,359
I mean, that was not the
sort of thing in women's boxing back

429
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,480
then. It has evolved so much
over the last decade or so, So

430
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,359
am I crazy to think that that
couldn't have possibly been in your mind back

431
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:53,319
in those days? You know,
it was in my mind, but it

432
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,839
was very discouraging because at times it
felt like it was never going to happen,

433
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:03,400
Like Jesus, like, wow,
I've been a professional for so long

434
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,920
now, and yeah, I felt
like it was never gonna happen. And

435
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,559
women's boxing it felt like at times
it wasn't going to go anywhere. And

436
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,640
I mean I wasn't even a fan
of women's boxing honestly, because there was

437
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,119
no entertaining or skilled fighters. So
I kind of I felt like, man,

438
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,319
like, if I'm not even a
fan of women's boxing, how the

439
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,720
hell do we expect men to become
a fan of women's boxing. So there

440
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:32,279
was a moments that were very,
very difficult and very discouraging, but I

441
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,400
kept going. I don't know how
about how I kept going, but I

442
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,680
did, and I'm glad. I'm
glad I kept going in and didn't stop.

443
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,400
So it has been a remarkable evolution. As I said in that side

444
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,920
of boxing, women compared to men. You know, as I have read,

445
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440
you started boxing as an amateur,
you know, when you're eight years

446
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,839
old, when you first picked up
your gloves. At that time, like

447
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920
you said, women's boxing was not
it was a thing, I guess,

448
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,240
but there was no big rivalries,
no you know, super fights. There

449
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,880
were some great women boxers, but
they weren't having the kind of competition that

450
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,039
uh the top fighters enjoy today.
So I wonder when you were growing up

451
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,279
with with the boxers that you looked
up to. I mean, maybe there

452
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,319
was men's boxes that you admired,
but were there any women that you were

453
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,119
fans over, that you a fan
over, that you looked up to?

454
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,759
You know, I didn't growing up
when I first started boxing, and all

455
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,799
three they all through the amateurs,
there wasn't really any women to look up

456
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,119
to who were in the professionals.
You know, my dad told me about

457
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,279
Christy Martin, so we would watch
her fights and I thought she was awesome,

458
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,279
and Leila Ali as well. But
besides, besides that, there just

459
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,400
there wasn't many, nothing that was
consistent. When I first started boxing,

460
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,839
women's boxing was kind of dead for
a whole more than a decade. Yeah,

461
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000
So I looked up to fighters like
sugar At Leonard for Berto Durant because

462
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,440
that was my dad's favorite fighter,
Roy Jones Junior. So I kind of

463
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,960
I kind of grew up just watching
watching men's boxing. And I remember,

464
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:57,799
uh, sitting on the couch with
my dad when I was seven years old,

465
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,880
right before I started boxing, and
I said, Dad, do girls

466
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
box? And he said, oh, yeah, they do, but there's

467
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:07,519
just not that many. So I
had no clue that there was even a

468
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,440
such thing as women's boxing. All
I knew was that I wanted to do

469
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,559
it even if there wasn't. Seems
to be a pretty good choice. Now

470
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,720
you're going to do this big fight
with VA, and it's it's obvious from

471
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,200
hearing you women speak and and and
the way things have gone in the build

472
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,440
up and even before the fight was
officially made, you two women just do

473
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,200
not care for each other. Obviously, I don't think that's any big breaking

474
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,920
news, but I wonder what's the
basis for the bad feelings, because it's

475
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,119
not like like I don't know that
you had any kind of like scuffle or

476
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160
there's been a beef before. I
don't even know other than a press conference,

477
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,960
even do you even know each other
or met each other? No,

478
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:52,720
you know, the I think it
all started and it became personal for me

479
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,400
with her was because the whole lead
up to this fight, she was always

480
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,839
in every interview, also tweeting that
I was scared and then I'm ducking and

481
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,839
that she's trying to make the fight
happen, which was always completely false because

482
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:11,119
there was only effort from my side
to make the fight happen leading up to

483
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,000
this fight. So that's that,
And of course you know, it's no

484
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,759
secret I'm Goldenberg Promotions is my expomoter, and they signed her because of me.

485
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,599
But it was bad timing that I
we parted ways and now you know

486
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:32,680
they still signed her. But it's
just a yeah, it's just a build

487
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,720
up to a lot of things,
you know. And March twenty ninth,

488
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,480
I'm just excited to go in there
and just show that show who really deserves

489
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,079
to be the underspitted champion. So
you just mentioned about how you had parted

490
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,599
with Golden Boy. You ended up
sitting out most of twenty twenty two after

491
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,240
you split with them, and you
signed with Top Rank, But you're off

492
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,119
for about a year, and I
just wonder what was the you know,

493
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:57,599
and this will be your fourth fight
since you've been with Top Rank. I

494
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680
just wonder what was it that happened
with the way. It seemed like it

495
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:08,079
ended on a pretty bad way.
Uh. Yeah, So I wanted more

496
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:13,640
money, and that's something that they
were not willing to do. They didn't

497
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,400
even want to budge budget, not
even a dollar more, right, And

498
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,000
you know, my trainer always told
me, he's like, yeah, when

499
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,799
I first signed Golden Way, He's
like, great, you know, we're

500
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,640
I'm happy that we signed with Golden
More Promotions and you have a promoter and

501
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,880
you're going to be able to fight
consistently, But the problems aren't going to

502
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,759
stop here. You know. He
warned me about it because he's been in

503
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
he's been in the boxing game for
it well now almost thirty years. So

504
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:44,039
he warned me about it. And
he said even even times where I was

505
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:45,960
unhappy with what I was being paid. He said, you know, one

506
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,519
day you're going to have to say
no. He's like, I'm not going

507
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,559
to tell you when, but whenever
you feel like saying no, then I'm

508
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:58,599
with you. So yeah, that
that that that time, that point came

509
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,920
where I said, no, you
know, I can't. I can't do

510
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,599
it. It's it's just it's not
worth it. I'm not going to be

511
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,519
fighting for an amount of money that
I'm not happy with. Because of course,

512
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,160
that's that that just takes away my
whole motivation of going into the gym

513
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,119
and fighting and stepping into the ring
and fighting. So yeah, it was

514
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,680
the money was the issue. So
I stood out. I called my trainer

515
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,400
and I said, you know,
I can't do it. I'm not going

516
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,160
to fight. And they offered me
about three fights in a row and I

517
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,359
kept saying no, and I said
no, and I think there was surprise

518
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,400
that I was sitting out for that
long, but I felt like I had

519
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,359
to do it. I had to
do it or else there there would never

520
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960
be a change for me or change
for any other woman in the sport.

521
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,079
So when you were making the match
between yourself and Vai obviously she was still

522
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:46,720
with Golden Boy and you're obviously with
top rank, you know, and there

523
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,119
was the back and forth as you
mentioned, with her saying you were ducking

524
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,759
or in this and that, but
in there, in reality, compared to

525
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,240
your average significant fight, especially for
an undisputed championship, this did not take

526
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000
that long to make. It seems
to me. Haven't watched it unfold,

527
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,279
And I find that to be a
trend in women's boxing that when the best

528
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,799
women are out there and they say
let's fight. Yeah, you know,

529
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,679
there's some back and forth, and
there's any like anything. It's all might

530
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,639
take a few weeks, maybe it
takes a couple of months, but a

531
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,480
chrs heck doesn't take, you know, multiple years, like we've seen a

532
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,000
take for some of the biggest fights
in men's boxing. So I just wonder

533
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:21,119
what's your perspective and why is it
so I'm not gonna say it's easy,

534
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,840
but it's certainly not easier in terms
of making the major women's fights than it

535
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,719
is in terms of men's fights.
What is it about the women that makes

536
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,239
it so much easier? I mean, you're making the women are making maybe

537
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,960
not the same kind of big,
big money as the men. But you're

538
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,960
still being paid these days, you
know, pretty good persons compared to what

539
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,960
it was was. For sure.
Yeah, it's definitely so much better than

540
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,920
what it was, and it's continuing
to improve. But I think the reason

541
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,639
why it's easier for us to make
these fights and the reason why we want

542
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,320
to make them is because we're not
making five million dollars even two million dollars

543
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,039
of fights where we can just sit
back and say, eh, you know,

544
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
I'm good, let me chill for
a little bit, and you know

545
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,840
I'll say no to this opponent,
say no to that one, but then

546
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
I'll pick this opponent. You know, we don't we don't have that.

547
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,639
We don't we don't have the opportunity
to do that. So I think for

548
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,840
us, we want to we want
the biggest fights because we want to make

549
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,559
the most money possible. So you've
also been a champion, yours champion now

550
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,599
in the minimum weight division, but
you've also previously been a champion in the

551
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:27,880
junior flyweight division. You've gotten down
in weight to try to clean up this

552
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,320
division, unify the titles, and
I wonder, you know, whatever happens

553
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,480
in the fight on March twenty ninth. Are your plans to stay at one

554
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,320
hundred and five and I'm not sure
who else is out there for you to

555
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,159
fight that would make a big fight, or do you want to go back

556
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,000
to one hundred eight pounds or maybe
even there's a bigger fight for you at

557
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,079
one hundred and twelve pounds. You
know, maybe you have a little unfinished

558
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:51,039
business with Marlin Asparza from that messy
technical draw from a few years are not

559
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,920
technical decision that you want back in
twenty nineteen, So I just wonder what

560
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,079
your thoughts are as far as plotting
things out beyond what happens March twenty ninth.

561
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,159
Yeah, I definitely don't want to
stay at minimum weight. I'll move

562
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,519
up to either light flyweight or flyweight, and I would love to have a

563
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,000
rematch with marlinus Barza, So if
we can make that happen, that'll be

564
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,519
great. I'm not sure what her
plans are, but I would like to

565
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:23,719
find out and see what she's thinking
about doing next. Well. She unfortunately

566
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,239
just had a what was supposed to
be a unification fight for the undisputed and

567
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,039
flyweight postponed because of her opponent's visa
issues. But from a Golden Boy says

568
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:36,920
they're going to reschedule that when it
gets figured out. So my thought was

569
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,199
the undisputed champion, if you win
at one hundred five pounds and the one

570
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,519
hundred and twelve pound undisputed champion,
makes for a pretty big women's fight.

571
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:46,960
That's what I was thinking about.
Yeah, same here. Yeah, that's

572
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,239
definitely that'll be huge and I'm definitely
up to do it, So hopefully we

573
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,760
can make that happen. Well,
I just want to wrap up with this

574
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,639
and you and you and your opponent
via I mean, neither one of you're

575
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,960
both obviously excellent box Neither one of
you is known as a big knockout puncher.

576
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,079
You're twenty five and oh you have
nine knockouts. She's got a couple

577
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,559
losses. Thirty and two also has
nine knockouts. So looking at it on

578
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,719
paper, you might would suggest that
this fight is going to go the distance,

579
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,119
is going to go a long way, and that the winner is going

580
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,599
to be the person that's gonna just
do a better job boxing and you know,

581
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,400
using the technique and speed and making
the other woman miss and all that.

582
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,039
I wonder what is what in your
mind is the fight come down to

583
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,199
and do you think I'm right in
my assessment that this is probably a ten

584
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,960
round fight? Yeah? Possibly.
I mean it's hard with having only two

585
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,320
minute rounds. I wish we were
doing three, but of course me being

586
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,840
the WBC champion, WBC still won't
allow that for the same reasons that Suliman

587
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,480
believes, and it seems like nothing's
gonna change his mind on that. But

588
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,800
yeah, I think I'm just gonna
my plan. My game plan is to

589
00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:01,800
just go in there and completely take
away, completely exposed her weaknesses. And

590
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:07,440
I think and all the opponents that
she's faced, they fight the same way.

591
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,800
You know, there's a lot of
clashing, there's a lot of they

592
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,079
fall into the trap of how she
likes to fight because they fight the same

593
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,239
way. So I think with my
footwork and defense and timing and everything is

594
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,559
just it's gonna come together and show
I'm gonna be able to separate myself from

595
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,840
what all her other opponents have done
against her. So yeah, I'm going

596
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,039
to show had Garada two different skill
levels. I just wanted to follow up

597
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,920
on one thing you mentioned about with
the WBC and you wanting three minute rounds,

598
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,719
but of course their rules are not
going to allow that at this point,

599
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,360
you know. I think about Amanda
Serrano, she was undisputed. She

600
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,679
gave up her WBC title because she
was insistent upon not only having three minute

601
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,199
rounds, but also to have her
fights be scheduled for twelve rounds in length.

602
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,480
The other organizations went along with that, and she has gone forward and

603
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,679
made other featherweight title defenses that did
not include the WBC. I mean,

604
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,559
I know, you want to be
unisputed, so you're gonna play by the

605
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,280
rules at this point of the WBC. But in the future, do you

606
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,639
see a point where you'd be sort
of what Manda did, would say,

607
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,760
listen, I'll respect to you guys, but you know I want to do

608
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
with twelve rounds for a championship fight. I want to fight three minute rounds,

609
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,920
and you would just go in the
direction of the organizations that would allow

610
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,199
that. Yes, definitely. I
think that's really cool that Amanda is in

611
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:28,800
the position and has that power to
say not fighting for your belt, you

612
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,360
know, and it's that that takes, of course, her still making the

613
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,039
kind of money she wants while I'm
saying that she's not fighting for that belt,

614
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,960
And of course, like you said
I have to play abound the rules

615
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,679
in this fight because it wouldn't be
considered undisputed fight if I were to complain

616
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,480
about the WBC not allowing us to
do three minute rounds. But I would

617
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,400
love to be in that position at
a magazine, to be able to say

618
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,159
no and to be able to say
I don't want to fight for unless you

619
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,519
let us do twelve, twelve rounds
or minutes. And I know top rank

620
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,679
supports that, so I'm glad that
I have their support with whatever I decide

621
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,800
to do when it comes to that
at the right time. Well, the

622
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,400
right time right now is for undisputed
against your cost of Value on March twenty

623
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,239
nine. So Sonise, I wish
you the best of luck. I thank

624
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,280
you very much for your time,
and maybe we'll talk again when you're going

625
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,559
for championships and other weight classes.
Thanks Dan, appreciate it. Appreciate that,

626
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,440
all right, So again we look
forward to that fight you'll cost a

627
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,400
vae. By the ways, you
were talking to Sonissa about in that upcoming

628
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,400
strawweight unification fight, and you know
I may mention of it a little earlier

629
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,280
when we were talking about Sandy Ryan
and Terry Harper. This is an action

630
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,480
fighter in astrata. I can't confess
I didn't even know how to pronounce a

631
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,760
name. I know a lot about
Vaye. We'll learn more. Obviously.

632
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,920
It's the fight gets close, really
good. I mean, this is expected

633
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,800
to be an action fight. They're
both going to have volume of punches.

634
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,320
We're looking forward to that one more
time. Look, these are two pound

635
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,800
for pound level women in boxing,
whatever their weight class. They're the two

636
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,440
chain image of the divisions. It's
to unify all four titles to produce the

637
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,360
undisputed champion. Sinissa goes in with
the WBA and the WBC titles. Her

638
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,519
opponent Vy goes in there with the
IBF and the WBO titles. There is,

639
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,840
as you heard in the interview,
there's definitely a rivalry there bad blood

640
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,280
between them. Not only does she
want to beat up on Vaya, but

641
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,480
she has She didn't leave her parting
of the ways with the Golden Boy in

642
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:28,000
a dispute over the amount of money
she was being paid, as she talked

643
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,440
about, was not good and she
would love to stick it in her former

644
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,119
promoter spaces. Of course, now
with top rank and you know, to

645
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,119
the credit of Golden boy at the
top rank and to the two women involved,

646
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,239
they were able to you know,
deal with each other and make a

647
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,360
deal to produce this fight. And
as women's fights go, this is this

648
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,599
is about one of the best fights
you can make in women's boxing in my

649
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,159
opinion. And you know, it
probably would have been its main event in

650
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,599
its own right, but for different
reasons of the timing of when they were

651
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,960
able to finally get the deal done
and the availability and a lot of different

652
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480
reasons, they ended up making this
as the co feature. It's not an

653
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,239
indictment of the fight. It easily
could have been the main event. Just

654
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,800
makes that card on March twenty ninth. That topic as is something that I

655
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,320
consider like a musty kind of show
because who doesn't love Valdez against Wilson and

656
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,519
these two women are gonna lay it
out. Also, I can't wait for

657
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:12,880
this one. And she's very well
spoken, as we heard there on the

658
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,400
pot. I enjoyed her on the
commentary on a recent top ranked fight card

659
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:21,679
early morning with Christina Poncher doing commentary
as well. But she can fight,

660
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,599
She can fight, and so she's
a job on that. She's a very

661
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,079
very fun fighter to watch for the
most part if her opponent comes to fight,

662
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,679
which I think will. She's well
spoken, she's a very nice woman,

663
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,840
and she's just got a good personality. You know, you can I've

664
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,239
interviewed a million fighters in my career, and not every interview is good.

665
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,599
You know. Sometimes it's like col
and teeth. Sometimes they're in a bad

666
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,920
mood. Sometimes they have nothing much
to say, where they have an attitude.

667
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,280
But interviewing her was like, you
know, it was a pleasure because

668
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,280
she was she was interested to talk, she had good answers, she was

669
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,519
thoughtful. So I enjoyed it.
Good stuff, I news and nostalgia before

670
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:07,440
we are done. So Canelo and
Jimi Mungia met with the media for the

671
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,840
first time this week, officially kicking
off the promotion for the May fourth fight.

672
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,880
We're headed, We're headed that way. We're finally on track and headed

673
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,039
that way. You and I are
intrigued by this. What are your thoughts

674
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:23,519
on the press conference that got everything
underway back on Tuesday. I have no

675
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,159
doubt that the fight itself will be
way better than the press conference, and

676
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,920
that look, Heimi Mongie is a
nice guy and he doesn't never start up

677
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,480
with his opponents I've never heard him
talk shit ever in his entire career.

678
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,679
I've watched him since he's been at
any kind of you know, televised level.

679
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,599
You know, he just is a
is a cool cat and respectful and

680
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,239
humble and just goes in the ring
and lets it all hang out. And

681
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,719
Canelo has had no problem smack talking
his opponents. But if you've watched his

682
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,880
career or followed a lug, he's
not the guy that ever really starts it.

683
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,039
The other guy starts with him,
he'll give it back big time.

684
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,559
We saw what happened with you know
in different fights. Obviously Caleb comes to

685
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,639
mind, but if Mungia wasn't going
to start with him, you know,

686
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,760
Canelo was was his normal, respectful
self. So the press comverence itself,

687
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,480
you know, being honest, it
was a little boring. A lot of

688
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,360
talk about, you know, how
wonderful this is for Mexican boxing. We're

689
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,159
going to put Mexican boxing a big
stage and give the fans a great fight,

690
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,039
which I think they will. There's
nothing wrong with all that. The

691
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,800
more interesting part of the press conference
was what wasn't said or what you didn't

692
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,239
see, which was any kind of
acknowledgment whatsoever. Sitting a few feet away

693
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,280
from each other, was between Canelo
Alvarez, you know, the A side,

694
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,119
the champion whatever, and his former
promoter and now I guess adversary if

695
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,679
you will, Oscar de la Hoya, where clearly they don't like each other.

696
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,679
I mean, I can't speak for
Oscar, but Canelo has said out

697
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,719
outwardly he doesn't like Oscar, and
so you know, he made the point

698
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,639
in some of his interviews that Oscar
wasn't really part of the negotiation. Obviously

699
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,159
Oscar has signed off on stuff and
all that, but really the deal itself

700
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,840
that in the room, if you
will, on the phone or in the

701
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,960
text message or whatever, really was
on behalf of Mangia. Uh, based

702
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,719
on what every everybody's talking about,
it really was Fernando Beltron, who is

703
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,519
from Zanferd Promotions, who's the partner
with Mangia with Golden Boy, but he

704
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,519
was the one, you know,
dealing with Canelo and his team on on

705
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,199
the behalf of that. I love, I love all the tweets that were

706
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,840
flying about, oh canelos not even
making eye contact with Oscar ta la hooy,

707
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,400
And I'm going, how is that
any different than the last two promotions.

708
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,079
When Canelo was trying to get out
of his deal and he was being

709
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,880
promoted, he didn't want to make
eye contact. Then with Oscar sitting right

710
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,880
outside him, I think what it
comes down to is that at that point

711
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,360
he was still promoted by Golden Boy. Now he's not with Golden Boy,

712
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,719
but Oscar even then he definitely doesn't
have use for him after the divorce,

713
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,480
but they're on the stage together because
he's the co promoter of Mangia, not

714
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,880
the promoter of the show. The
show is being promoted by, you know,

715
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,280
by Canelo Promotions, is what they're
saying. And then of course he

716
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,039
got the in association. There's involvement
obviously from Zandfer, from Golden Boy,

717
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:01,239
from TGB that does you know the
PBC fights during the time, So that

718
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,280
was an interesting aspect of the promotion. But the fight itself is going to

719
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,119
be I think a really good fight. I know we've talked about it before.

720
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,360
It's not maybe everybody's number one choice. We wanted to see the David

721
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Benavite's fight, But as I've said, you can sell, you can sell

722
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,559
have a good fight if it's your
number two choice. This is still a

723
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,760
good fight. We'll get to the
Benavitaz thing in a second. But there's

724
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,199
there's one other aspect to this part
of it. We know Mongia does two

725
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,199
things, like we keep saying,
he punches and he's there to be hit.

726
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,119
So there's a lot of there's a
lot of intrigue in this and this

727
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,559
is a much better fight. Here
we go again than fooling around with Jamal

728
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,639
Charlow if that was what it was
going to be. So we'll take this.

729
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,960
I know what you're saying. We'll
take this right now. Two more

730
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:49,800
interesting aspects with all of this one
I've found this in I guess maybe this

731
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,559
one. We'll spend a couple of
minutes on this. When it was over,

732
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:57,519
there were interviews with Canelo after the
press conference about David Benavitez and about

733
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,440
the offer and he and he said, no offer ever really came to me.

734
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,679
And he goes in and I guess
he was hinting that Samson Lukawitz and

735
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,039
their side didn't have that money to
offer. Whatever he meant by the David

736
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:14,119
Benavide's side would not have made the
offer. The offer would have come from

737
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,719
PBC, which works with both of
them. So Oscar is saying that finish

738
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,559
to say that that the Benavid's camp
didn't make the offer, I personally find

739
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,320
that to be disingenuous because there never
would have been an offer from them anyway.

740
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,159
That's the questions that were being asked. Canelo was the first one to

741
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:34,679
say they didn't have it to offer. It's not their offer. He was

742
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,119
saying. Problem with a boxing so
called boxing media is they don't know how

743
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:42,320
to ask a goddamn question exactly because
if they asked it in a manner that

744
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,119
doesn't make any sense because if they
had a fucking brain, they know that

745
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:51,639
it wouldn't be uh Samson Boxing or
the benavide side making any offer. It

746
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:57,119
would be PBC or DGB on behalf
of BBC. The other thing that came

747
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:00,159
with that answer that he gave after
the press conference, and this is where

748
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:04,880
I'm going to disagree. He kept
saying Canelo in English, he doesn't bring

749
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,159
anything to the table. He doesn't
bring anything to the table, and sorry,

750
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,679
he brings a lot to the table
in Benavidez from where I sit and

751
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,039
I think most people sit because he's
an unbeaten fighter, young, big puncher,

752
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,159
former world champ who has on his
own also brought attention and sold out

753
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:25,760
Arenas. So this whole notion that
he doesn't bring anything to the table.

754
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,119
He brings more than a lot would
bring to the table, and even some

755
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,880
of the guys that Canelo gave opportunities
to previously. So I don't go along

756
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,679
with that. And I think there
is a school of thought that Canelo absolutely

757
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,800
knows how dangerous Benavidas would be to
fight, So fight Haimimongia instead right now

758
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,760
in the short term while you figure
the rest out. I just I didn't

759
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,239
I disagree completely with he doesn't bring
anything to the table. He's been the

760
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,199
number one contender for like two years. He is able to if the WBC

761
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,880
would order the fight, we might
have a fighting chance of getting it.

762
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,440
So look, I've been I've been
a Canelo defender a long time, but

763
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,840
I got to call call. I
gotta be real, And for him to

764
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,719
say that David Benavides doesn't bring anything
to the table is just not accurate.

765
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,920
By the way he made other comments
to uh this, you know, scrums

766
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,559
and of the other media, you
know, saying if they want to pay

767
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,519
me, you know, one hundred
and fifty or two hundred million dollars,

768
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,360
I'll fight Benavide as well. You'd
probably fight your mother for two hundred million,

769
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,840
exactly. You'd try a grizzly bear
at the circus exactly. Yes,

770
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,599
So okay, if you if you
just pulled a thorn of the non Benavides

771
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:35,719
fight out of your skin for a
minute. The the Mangia fight's still a

772
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,159
good fight. Yes, I said
that. I'm excited for it. I'm

773
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,519
going to travel for it, I'm
going to go to it. I'm looking

774
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:43,280
forward to it. But it's not
the Benavides fight. That's the fight that

775
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,000
should happen. But you know,
what are you gonna do? You can't.

776
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:46,760
I'm not gonna spend the next three
months bitching and moaning because we're not

777
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,199
getting Benavides. It is what it
is. He's not fighting him right now.

778
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,880
He's he's got that right to decide
who he wants to fight, and

779
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,360
he's taken on Magia. It's not
exactly like he's going from fighting uh,

780
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,880
you know David to fighting you know
a shmir. I mean, Mungi is

781
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,360
a solid guy and he's proven himself
in the super middleweight division in the way

782
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,519
he's handled his business. In the
last two fights, with the fight of

783
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,679
the year type fight against devyrn Chenko
and then doing what Canelo couldn't do,

784
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,360
and that's knocking out John Ryder in
an excellent fight, a good performance also.

785
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,159
So this is what we've got and
I'm now going to focus on this

786
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,000
and when this fight's over with,
if Canelo is the winner, then we

787
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:23,559
can get back to betching and moaning
about the Benevtas fight. All right.

788
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:30,599
Next up on the news, Top
Rank has made it official for the vacant

789
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,239
lightweight title. Imanuel Navaratte just moving
up in weight classes, fighting Dennis Branchitch

790
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,920
May eighteenth. They made that official. Also an undercard fight of note will

791
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,199
be on this Dan give us more
details real quick on it. So never

792
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,039
at against Brentchik for the vacant title
of the wo lightweight title. Not exactly

793
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,480
a secret. I've reported about that, you know, for a while.

794
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,360
That's been in the in the plans
May eighteenth at the Pachanga Arena in San

795
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,800
Diego, where Nevrette's actually fought before. He made two different title defenses when

796
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,719
he was featherweight title holder in that
same arena. So, as you mentioned,

797
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,840
he's going up in wait to be
to try to become a four division

798
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,719
title holder. It doesn't really have
the cachet it once had when you see

799
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,119
the types of things are happening,
because especially we love Navarette because he's so

800
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,199
exciting. But they're all WBI,
all WBO belts. It's yet another vacant

801
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,559
title that he's fighting for. So
it kind of it is what it is.

802
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,400
But you know, if you want
to get just to the brass tacks

803
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,119
of the numbers, he will be
able. If with a victory, he'll

804
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,519
become the sixth Mexican boxer to win
titles in four weight classes. I remember

805
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,199
when nobody had ever done it.
He would join now Eric Morales, Forge

806
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,039
Rsa, Juan Manuel Marquez, Leo
Santa Cruz, and of course the great

807
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:45,039
Canelo Alvarez. So that was an
official announcement, so that fights on that

808
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,239
it's still a pretty solid fight.
Brent Chick is no joke. He's a

809
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,639
good fighter, he was an Olympian, he's undefeated. But they also added

810
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,000
the San Diego welterweight Giovanni Santion who's
with Top right now, who's from San

811
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,079
Diego and didn't really get a lot
of love, was not really that you

812
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,000
know, in the in the in
the in the higher level thought process of

813
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,599
people thinking about the top wealth rates. But he really proved his metal because

814
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:13,880
as the underdog, he went to
the hometown area of Alexis Roacha when Top

815
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,199
Rank was going to make a deal
with Golden Boy this past October, and

816
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,039
he went in there and he just
you know, beat the stuffing out of

817
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,800
roach and knocked him out in a
tremendous performance and by far the biggest win

818
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,239
of his career. So they're bringing
him back and the co feature. His

819
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,079
opponent is not set yet, but
they're keeping him active, and you know

820
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,639
he's going to get an opportunity because
Roacha when he beat him, roach had

821
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,400
been the number one WBO contender and
now Santon is very high up there also.

822
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,239
I would think that in the next
year, within the next year,

823
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,239
so he will get some kind of
title opportunity, particularly because Terence Crawford,

824
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,719
who is you know, probably going
to be moving up to one hundred and

825
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,480
fifty four pound way class and the
belts that he still has are going to

826
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,199
eventually become a splinter. All right, good stuff on the Top Rank show

827
00:52:54,199 --> 00:53:00,480
coming in May, we have an
injury speaking of May and the Lomachenko Cambosa's

828
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:07,519
undercard that was to have had veteran
Carlo's quadras in his WBC Interim Junior bannamweight

829
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:13,440
title defense quadras now injured, he
was to have fought Andrew Maloney the Australian

830
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:19,960
and ouch babe torn achilles and those
those can be career threatening, not good,

831
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,480
not good, that's a that's a
rough injury. So the crazy thing

832
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,519
about it is I had been reporting
about this fight then Top Rank went ahead

833
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,519
and announced it with the Bello Entertainment
a week ago or so, and as

834
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:34,599
it turned so that we didn't,
this sort of actually stayed kind of quiet

835
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,119
for a while. He had suffered
the injury. Literally a couple of hours

836
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,039
or a few hours after the announcement
of the fight went out that he suffered

837
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,079
his injury. It wasn't until this
past Monday where he had the surgery on

838
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:50,119
the achilles. And if you could
look on Carlos Squadras's instagram and everything,

839
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,960
there's some pictures of him in the
hospital bed with the thumbs up with the

840
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,360
doctor. So good for Carlos.
He's on the men. He's been a

841
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,599
very good fighter for a very long
time in that weight class. But he's

842
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,400
obviously he with a with a torn
achilles and us having had surgery, he

843
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,079
clearly is not going to be prepared
to fight in May. So they're going

844
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:10,559
to keep Andrew Maloney on the card
and they're gonna they're gonna strip the interim

845
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,079
title from Quadras because he's not gonna
be able to fight for quite a while,

846
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,519
I would imagine, and they're gonna
make that available. Uh. The

847
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:20,679
reason the title was available in the
first place is because the long inactivity of

848
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,320
one francisquaes Strata, who's gonna be
coming back anyway, probably against Bam Rodriguez,

849
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,199
but that's a different story. We
talked about that in a couple of

850
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,400
shows ago. Uh, not not
official yet, but anyway, So with

851
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,159
Quadras out, you'll see Maloney take
on the former Junior Flyway title, theer

852
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,639
Pedro Guivara for the interim title,
and that seems like a pretty reasonable fight,

853
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:43,320
particularly because Guavara, at the end
of last year was the guy that

854
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,480
Quadras defeated for the interim delt around
the WBC Convention card that took place in

855
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,880
news Bekistan and in Quadras you know, eked out the split decision in that

856
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,800
fight. So it was a very
competitive fight, even though he dropped Guavara

857
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,519
two times. So that's the new
fight to go along, you know,

858
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,719
with the card that they've already announced, all right, and again those are

859
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,599
six months nine months minimum on Achilles
and Quadrus. Being a veteran, you

860
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,679
don't know, you don't know how
well or not he can come back from

861
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:15,159
that. And a positive update here
because there was some concern for Hands of

862
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:20,400
Stone, the legend Roberto Duran,
who had gone to the hospital with heart

863
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,880
problems. You have the update here
on on Roberto Duran, one of the

864
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,679
four Kings that we always talk about. What's the latest. The latest is

865
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,599
that thank God that Roberto Duran is
good. I saw some of the videos

866
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,159
he put on his Instagram, you
know, thanking people for their support and

867
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,639
for their good wishes, and and
you know he had gone as family,

868
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:42,920
had taken to the hospital last week
with some kind of heart ailment. He

869
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,599
had some kind of some kind of
blockage. It was corrected. The way

870
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:50,320
it was corrected was he received a
pacemaker and so he's got that to take

871
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,000
care of the I guess is you
know, he had a little bit of

872
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,960
a heartbeat that was not going and
when it was supposed to go. What

873
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,840
do they call that irregular heart?
How about my father has a pacemaker.

874
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,960
It means your heart is not staying
in rhythm, and the pacemaker obviously helps

875
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,320
you with your heart stay in rhythm. We love that. Okay. So

876
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,760
now Duran, Duran is now out
of the hospital, and and like I

877
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,400
said, I saw the videos.
He sounded good, look good. You

878
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,960
know he's seventy two. He's like
he's a treasure for boxing. I mean,

879
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,360
I think you can make the argument
that, besides maybe Sugar Ray Leonard,

880
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,719
that Duran is the greatest living fighter
in boxing currently and we hope he

881
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,119
stays. Interesting debate when you think
about it, interesting debate, Yeah,

882
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:30,519
well, I mean, you know
it's it is debatable. I mean,

883
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,440
I would say Ray just because he
the way that he beat Duran in the

884
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,079
in the second fight, in the
other accoplishments. But Duran, look,

885
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,119
Duran is a marvel. Duran was. I think if you asked your your

886
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,599
average boxing historian would tell you he's
the greatest lightweight of all time. He

887
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,079
ended up having you know, big
comebacks when people didn't expect him to by

888
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,719
winning the Jernam middleweight title in an
absolute beat down against Davey Moore in nineteen

889
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,760
eighty three to win the WBA one
to fifty four title, and then obviously

890
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,199
you know he finished up the four
Kings era. But the fact that he

891
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:06,840
was able to rise up to the
super middleweight division. I take them back

892
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,880
to the middleweight division and haven't no, it was superman a weight, just

893
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,880
an awesome Supermanwight, WBC Superman Awight
title, incredible fight with Iran Barkley.

894
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,800
Scored the upset in one of the
great action fights. I was really like

895
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,400
the last you know, big win
for him because it was after that that

896
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,000
he've eventually lost the third fight against
Ray Leonard and then he still fought for

897
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,800
a number of years after that but
never was at that level again. But

898
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,280
the fact is he fought from nineteen
seventy in two thousand and one. That's

899
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,239
about as long a prayer as you'll
see. You've talked about that. You

900
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,159
know, he fought one hundred and
twenty times roughly, I mean, seventy

901
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:44,039
knockouts. I mean, just one
of the all time greats, any one

902
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,559
of my favorite fighters of all time, I mean, and just as a

903
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,800
person. He's so so likable these
days. I mean, he doesn't have

904
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,280
that scowl. When he was an
active fighter, he was scary, you

905
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,400
know, he's you know, mean
and nasty and knocking everybody out. And

906
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,599
now he's like a big teddy bear. I've seen him at fights many times.

907
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,400
I've had the chance to hang out
with him. When I ran an

908
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,079
item about his recovery from this situation
in my Substack newsletter, I used a

909
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:10,519
photo to go with that section of
myself with Duran when I have a few

910
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:15,559
photos of myself with Duran. But
when I was at the Errol Spence fight

911
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,719
against Mikey Garcia back in twenty nineteen, I believe it was you know,

912
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,280
I got a chance to see he
was there part of the promotion, and

913
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,119
we hung out a little bit and
we gotta have a great picture of him,

914
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:25,719
and we were waiting at the Cowboys
Stadium to kind of get in for

915
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:29,559
the press cover. So you know, we were outside just sort of you

916
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:30,519
know, joking around, myself and
a few of the other guys in the

917
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:34,119
media, taking some pictures and so
just a wonderful, wonderful guy. And

918
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:37,679
I'm world that he's on the mend
in filming better. I still love the

919
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:43,079
great job that Matt Whitecross did with
that documentary with the Four Kings, the

920
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,719
Showtime four part series and the story, and I believe it's around the Leonard

921
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,880
fight. I got to go back
and rewatch when he won the first Leonard

922
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:57,920
fight. He was hailed as such
a hero in Panama that he got the

923
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,000
use of the president's private plane.
You remember we've been talking about this,

924
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:05,960
and he was gone with the president's
private plane for literally like eight or nine

925
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,039
days, and the president had to
call him twice, the President of Panama,

926
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:14,599
can I have my plane back?
Because Duran was going everywhere all over

927
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:19,000
North America and wherever else you wanted
to go. Fighters are builth different he

928
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,599
had the plane. That reminds me
of a funny story that I will tell

929
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:27,239
briefly. Remember, I remember covering
the Oscar de la Joya Arturo Gaddy fight

930
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,039
and got he got beat up and
it was a good fight, but and

931
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,559
he kind of did better than I
think a lot of people thought he would.

932
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,039
But he got knocked out and it
was a rough knockout, and they

933
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:38,480
took him to the hospital and get
checked out to make sure everything was okay.

934
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,119
But the fight was at the MGM
Grand and the MGM Grand, like

935
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,599
you know, he rode in the
limo and when he got checked out,

936
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,880
he asked, can I keep the
limo for the rest of the night because

937
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,039
he got knocked out, but he
wanted to go out and party. And

938
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:52,360
it just reminded me he said the
same thing, like he didn't have the

939
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,639
plane, but he had. He
had the limo and Duran had the plane.

940
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:59,679
I'm just saying, the president's plane
in Panama back in the early eighties

941
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:01,320
a little more than a limo,
just a little more than the limo.

942
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:05,599
No, it's not the cost,
it's the mentality. I understand the mentality,

943
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,760
but it's a bigger ask when the
president is calling a second time to

944
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,760
try to get his private plane back. All Right, a little more nostalgia

945
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,599
and then we're good here on this. It was twenty seven years ago as

946
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:22,320
we taped this podcast on Thursday,
release it into Friday on March twenty first,

947
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:29,280
nineteen ninety seven. Roy Jones and
Montel Griffin and I remember this vividly

948
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:35,559
and all the debates after this because
Roy Jones was decued for hitting Montel Griffin

949
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:37,800
after he had knocked him down.
He was down, like on one knee.

950
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,800
He caught him again while he was
down and it was deemed to have

951
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:49,039
been a punch wild Griffin was already
down a foul. Griffin laid on the

952
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,599
mat and was counted out and was
awarded a victory on a disqualification. Rayfield

953
01:00:52,639 --> 01:01:00,599
controversy for Roy Jones's first loss of
his career back now twenty seven years ago.

954
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:04,760
Lord's I remember watching that on HBO
at live when it happened. He

955
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,679
was thirty four, and oh Roy
Jones, he was the number one pound

956
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:13,960
per pound, not touchable, just
the dominating force in boxing, certainly in

957
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,000
the light heavyweight division, defending the
WBC light heavyweight title, and the fact

958
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,079
that he got disqualified like that was
about as shocking as you could ever possibly

959
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:30,199
imagine that Roy Jones would suffer a
loss like it. Never even I never

960
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:31,360
contemplated that. It was like,
I'm not going to tell you it's like

961
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,400
Bus or Douglass beating Mike Tyson.
Obviously, there was a little weird circumstances

962
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,079
in terms of what happened. He
did hit him when he was down,

963
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,199
and by the way, you know, Montel Griffin was a real tricky cut

964
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,639
lefty. He did give Roy some
trouble, but Roy was still winning the

965
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:47,880
fight. Even though it was competitive. It was actually probably up to the

966
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:54,079
point of the knockout, was as
competitive as a professional boxing match as Roy

967
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:59,119
Jones had had to that point in
his career. But he did hit him

968
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:00,440
after, you know, he had
knocked him down. I wish he wouldn't

969
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:07,239
have done that. From my I've
rewatched it. He didn't blast him,

970
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,199
No, he hit him while Maul
Griffin was on a knee. And I

971
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,880
distinctly remember debating this point, and
you can go back and see it on

972
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,599
the video. There's a half second
there where Montel Griffin realizes this is my

973
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:23,000
opportunity and just lays there. And
I, to this day, twenty seven

974
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:27,599
years later, am still dubious that
he could have gotten up. The fight

975
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,320
could have continued, but that was
his opportunity to win by DQ. And

976
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,599
there you go. I don't I
don't punch people for a living. I

977
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,679
don't take punches, so it's easy
for me to say that. But I'm

978
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:39,239
just telling you with what I saw. So follow up on that, well,

979
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,519
Roy had knocked him down earlier in
the fight seventh round. I think

980
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:47,400
at that point Montel, whatever success
he had had earlier on, realized,

981
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,280
like I'm in, it's not gonna
like I've done what I can do,

982
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,679
and it's gonna get worse as the
fight goes on, because clearly Roy at

983
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,400
that point had sort of figured him
out whatever issues he had in those first

984
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,800
you know, six or seven rounds. Now, like you said, he

985
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,079
gets to the ninth round, he
scores another knockdown, and there's definitely you

986
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,639
know, a beat before he goes
to the mat. And so what I

987
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:07,639
would say to you, this will
tell you what my opinion is is not

988
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:13,199
only did Montel Griffin walk out of
the ring that night with the WBC light

989
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,559
heavyweight title, he should have also
walked out with an Oscar Award and an

990
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:21,599
Emmy Award that night, because that
was as my opinion is, like you,

991
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,119
absolutely he could have got up and
continued. I thought it was a

992
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:28,239
sham, but the referee had no
real real choice to do anything other than

993
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,360
that based on what it occurred.
He did hit him after he was down.

994
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:35,880
Whatever you think about that result,
I think Roy proved the point because

995
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,159
they had an automatic rematch a few
months later, and Roy Jones didn't fuck

996
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,199
around. He knocked him on in
the first fucking round and absolutely annihilated him.

997
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,039
Yes, and just made like you
don't poke the sleeping bear, and

998
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,719
Montell poked the sleeping bear and he
paid the price because it was an annihilation.

999
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,639
That's I still think if you look
at the great history and the great

1000
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:59,639
career that Roy Jones had, there
are a few transcendent wins in that career,

1001
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,079
and one of them is the Montel
Griffin rematch where he just absolutely pulvarized

1002
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,760
him. He did that leasing shot
in the first round, an absolutely brilliant

1003
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,119
and brilliant knockout. But again for
the fans, if you're not familiar,

1004
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,400
to go back and watch it on
YouTube or wherever you can find it from

1005
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,360
March of ninety seven and judge for
yourself. Rayphiel and I have our opinions,

1006
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,119
and again we should say this,
we don't get hit, We cover

1007
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:23,000
this, we talk about it,
we don't get hit. But that to

1008
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,000
me look like this is my opportunity
to win the fight. I'm gonna now

1009
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:27,719
just lay it. But you know
what, when you watch it, as

1010
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,119
long as we watched it, certainly, in my opinion, as far as

1011
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:32,239
long as I've covered it. When
you make the assessment, you're not just

1012
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,119
coming at it out of the blue. You're using your past experiences and comparing

1013
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,559
it to things you've seen through the
years. So when you've seen other guys

1014
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,320
disqualified or other guys get hit when
they're down, you know, you look

1015
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,079
at that and you compare it to
what occurred in this fight. And I

1016
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:50,280
don't think it's the reasonable. I
think that on that night that Monteal Griffin

1017
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,480
didn't give his best effort to continue. Put it like that, that's putting

1018
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:59,519
it kindly. He laid there and
took the DQ, is what I will

1019
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:01,920
say. All Right, one more
piece of nostalgia real quick, and that

1020
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:05,400
is twenty five years ago, earlier
this week, on March twentieth, on

1021
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:12,679
Wednesday, ike Ibya Bucci wiped out
Chris Bird in a huge HBO win.

1022
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,400
It was Bird's first loss who went
on a Bird went on to hold a

1023
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,039
portion of the heavyweight title after that. But it's more about ike Obeyabucci and

1024
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:25,440
what what didn't happen for him after
that after that night, So uh,

1025
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:30,119
nostalgia please on twenty five years ago. First of all, I can't even

1026
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:31,360
get over that. It's not long
ago. But this was like a great

1027
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:38,079
matchup on paper because you had Ibyabuchi
was like this dominating, massively big puncher,

1028
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,880
kind of a loose cannon, undefeated, being built up by HBO and

1029
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,079
by his promoter Sedria Kushner. He
got Chris Bird, who was also a

1030
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:47,840
cedric, who was, you know, the Olympian, but had thought in

1031
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,880
a much much later at the Olympian
in like the middleweight division, was always

1032
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,159
the smaller guy, but a tremendous
box or a southpawk cut. A lot

1033
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,559
of people couldn't stand to watch him, you know, because he would stand

1034
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,199
in front of a guy and just
make a miss and and but didn't really

1035
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,239
have much punching power. But these
guys are both undefeated. I mean Ikei

1036
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,679
Bucci was nineteen and oh going into
the fight. Chris Bird was twenty six

1037
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:12,400
and oh, and I Beeyabuci had
made a huge impression on a huge amount

1038
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,000
of boxing people because in nineteen ninety
seven he had one of the greatest heavyweight

1039
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,280
fights you'll ever see. I dare
say it might be the most entertaining and

1040
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,320
exciting heavyweight fight of the nineteen nineties
that you could think of, except maybe

1041
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,760
the first fight between a Vander Holyfield
and Mike Tyson. But they put on

1042
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,800
on the heass Tyson fight was in
the nineties, barely February of ninety.

1043
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,719
You're saying besides that, You're saying
besides oh yeah, no, besides my

1044
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:43,039
bad between besides Douglas Tyson and and
Tyson Holyfield number one, Right, it's

1045
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,519
on that level of the sidetrack.
You Beyabuci and who in that fight.

1046
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,400
David Tua, who was the undefeated
at that point, was being you know,

1047
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,800
marching towards the title shot when he
fought Ibeya Bucci. Ike was not

1048
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,599
really a well known fighter. Was
his first time really being in front of

1049
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:01,039
the general public on HBO. Uh, But they put on an absolute fucking

1050
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,320
twelve round war that is just an
absolute phenomenal barn Burner type heavyweight fight.

1051
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:12,400
So now he had had Abuci after
that win, he had had a couple

1052
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,079
of like lesser type fights, but
then he got another opportunity on HBO in

1053
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:19,760
this fight against Chris Bird. And
Chris Bird had been sort of kind of

1054
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:25,079
untouchable, you know, because of
the skills yet and I just just pummeled

1055
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,559
him with one of the It was
like probably the biggest punch I've ever seen

1056
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:32,079
land that didn't actually knock a guy
cold when he knocked him down, uh,

1057
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:35,119
you know, in the in the
uh in the round which ultimately ended

1058
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,719
it in the fifth round. But
no, there was like snotting spit coming

1059
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,079
out of his face. I mean, it was an absolutely fucking brutal knockout.

1060
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,320
But the thing about it is so
Ikybui Iyabuci gets this victory over Chris

1061
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,000
burd a huge, huge win in
a in a just a monstrous knockout,

1062
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:54,159
and he never fought again. People
thought he was going to be the next

1063
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:58,159
heavyweight champion of the world. He
will go down in history along with people

1064
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:02,039
like Tony Ayala and others where the
great question is what if what might have

1065
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:06,480
been? You asked what might have
been had TiO Philo Stevenson from Cuba turn

1066
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:11,519
professional? What might have been if
Tony Ayla hadn't gone to prison for rape

1067
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,320
and spent all those years behind bars, And then even when he came out,

1068
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,319
you know, fighting as an old
man but never going to be able

1069
01:08:15,319 --> 01:08:18,479
to come close to getting you know, back the mojo, if you will.

1070
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,279
When he was a young fighter on
the way up, well, Ibabuchi's

1071
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:26,079
in that same category because here's a
guy that had destroyed Chris Bird, that

1072
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,000
had scored a close, outstanding victory
against Tua, who was the undefeated,

1073
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,760
you know, top contender, a
big, big, big puncher, and

1074
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,520
Ibbe Buci gets this victory. This
is again nineteen ninety nine. There was

1075
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,880
a lot of possibilities for him.
There was a great heavyweight, a bunch

1076
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,079
of top guys that were that he
could have ended up fighting. But because

1077
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,560
he had he had serious mental problems, He got himself in serious legal problems,

1078
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,159
ended up going to jail because of
a of a of attempted sexual assault.

1079
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,000
Uh and he never fought again,
And I always think to myself,

1080
01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:00,600
what might have been matter. There
was a period of time when he got

1081
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,119
out of jail where there was a
lot of talk that he was going to

1082
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:05,000
make a comeback and he was going
to maybe do something with top rank,

1083
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:09,720
and they were trying to get him
license in Nevada and all this, and

1084
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,960
it was at that point he ended
up going back, you know, getting

1085
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,960
in trouble again and never fought again. I wish I don't even know what

1086
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,920
happened to the guy, but he
if you talk to anybody in boxing.

1087
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,039
Talk to people that dealt with him. Talk to like the people that work

1088
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,760
with Cedria Kushner. Cedric has passed
on. Talked to Lou de Bella,

1089
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,039
who did fights of his with hbo
Ibabe. Butcher was a nut job,

1090
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:33,399
I mean certifiable. But the dude
could fucking punch and had a great chin

1091
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,720
and looked like a heavyweight champion.
And we'll never know, We'll never see

1092
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,239
that if that prophecy could be,
I'm just looking. He did fifteen years

1093
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:46,079
in prison in Nevada for the sexual
misconduct plea agreement that he did. He

1094
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:53,119
was then I'm looking to see.
He was released in November twenty fifteen and

1095
01:09:53,319 --> 01:10:00,199
was sent back they pourted back to
Nigeria and then re arrested again in trouble

1096
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:09,239
again with the law for violating conditions
of his probation in Arizona, and and

1097
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,000
so uh it went back to went
back to prison for a short time,

1098
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:18,800
and then was released again in September
of twenty twenty after violating those conditions.

1099
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,399
Uh you talk about the what if
on on your nostalgia. He never fought

1100
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:27,479
again and has been in and out
of prison ever since then. For a

1101
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,520
large part of his adult that he
scored those two big wins. I mean,

1102
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,119
Tua and Bird were two of the
best heavyweights of that era, unquestionable

1103
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:42,039
and totally different styles. Bird won
titles twice, has the win over you

1104
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:45,439
know, beat a Beata vander Holi
for a title obviously the you know the

1105
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,439
famous uh the injury that that a
vitality Clitchko suffered that forced him to retire

1106
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,279
on the stool, and Chris Bird
won the title for the first time the

1107
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:57,479
WBO belt. Uh And and Tua
had been maybe never won a title.

1108
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,279
I only got a chance to fight
for the title once against the prime Monny

1109
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:03,239
Lewis, but he was he had
a great resume to it knocked a lot

1110
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:05,600
of good guys out, a lot
of guys that went on to be champions,

1111
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,920
you know, like Hassim Rockman,
like Old Leg mask I, I,

1112
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,720
like John Ruiz, et cetera.
Uh. And for Ibabe with you

1113
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,920
to have those two wins and never
fight again after the Bird fight, it's

1114
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:20,039
just a shame that we never will
see what could have occurred with this heavyweight.

1115
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:25,319
We have given you a ton folks. You have heard from Tim Zoo

1116
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:30,720
about his new opponent. You've heard
from Sonisia Strada about her undisputed Women's Strawway

1117
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,239
title fight. We've previewed the match
Room to his own show, You and

1118
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:38,560
I, we'll talk about it further
in handicap the Dalton Smith main event and

1119
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:44,319
the Sandy Ryan Terry Harper co feature
fight on the bet Us Boxing Show coming

1120
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,279
up one pm Eastern Time on Friday. Some news, some nostalgia. That's

1121
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:51,319
a full show. That's a full
show, my friend. Now you and

1122
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:55,960
I are back to the basketball.
Lots of college basketball coming as well,

1123
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,520
and then whatever happens in the match
Room show, etc. We'll cap it,

1124
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,680
and then we'll get ready for tim
Zu and the fight week with Fondora

1125
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,720
and all of the fights on that
undercard. And actually it's a busy week

1126
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,520
besides that with other fights that are
coming. We mentioned the Oscar Valdez Liam

1127
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,680
Wilson card his Friday Night. Zerto
Ramirez is in action also in a Golden

1128
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,680
Boy card next weekend, so we'll
we'll not only recap, but we'll be

1129
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,159
getting ready for those fight weeks next
week. The next time you and I

1130
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,439
talk on the podcast beat Yeah,
no, it's definitely. I mean,

1131
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,279
this is a little bit of a
low this week, but like you said,

1132
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,720
next week's going to be busy because
we got the pay per view.

1133
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,960
He got zero going for the cruiser
weight belt against Glmarian, you got the

1134
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,239
you got the Valdezan and Liam Wilson
card with the with the with the women

1135
01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:40,279
in the undistcuted fight. So it's
when it when it rains the poors,

1136
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:43,159
I guess, right like that for
one of them to be this week,

1137
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:44,960
you know, give us a little
more action. This a little more action

1138
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,840
this week, but it gives us
more time to watch the basketball game as

1139
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,199
well. All good stuff, Dan
Rayfield. We encourage them to find your

1140
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:56,520
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1141
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,000
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1142
01:13:00,039 --> 01:13:02,000
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1143
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,319
my friend, I'll see you on
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1144
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:09,199
Friday one Eastern time. That sounds
good. There is Dan Rayphiel. I'm

1145
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:12,760
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