WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.680 All right, guys. You know we are all huge nerds here at four 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.000 Finger Discounts, so we are very excited that the show is number one pop 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:10.320 culture convention. Super Over is returning once again on June seventeen through eighteen in 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.759 Sydney and twenty fourth through twenty fifth in Perth, with some amazing guests already 5 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.760 announced, including Elissa Milano, Superman himself, Tyler Hecklan, and the one 6 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:22.079 I'm very excited for is the co creator of the Ninja Turtles. Yes, 7 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.600 it's mister Kevin Eastman. Now. For more information, you can go to 8 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:27.559 Supernover dot com dot ayu, or just follow the link in the description of 9 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:30.920 this podcast, But for now, sit back and enjoy the show. D 10 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:35.079 it was a beautiful dead The sudden was shaming. He was driving to the 11 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:41.079 orphanage to best out toys. Suddenly that encourageable Simpson boy darted in front of 12 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:51.159 me. Oh my goodness, look what happened. Oh it's not important, 13 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:56.039 sir, Let's drive on. Were you despicable cool blooded monster? Regardless of 14 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.799 what you think, we watched someone help and comfort the dear boy until an 15 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:08.480 own good it arrives. M NA take me, I'm all, that's what 16 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:15.120 happened. What are you looking at me like that? For? You believed 17 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:34.400 his cack and bull story. Four Finger Discount, dude, Welcome to four 18 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.599 Finger Discount, the podcast that also comes with a faux pel necklace. Today, 19 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.359 we're heading all the way back to season two of The Simpsons to review 20 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.760 episode seven. A one zero Bark gets hit by a car. I am 21 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.799 Dando, I am guy, and we are not alone. No, we 22 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.040 are not. We are very likely to be joined by a man who continues 23 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.359 to pave his way into the top in Hollywood, whether it be writing for 24 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.079 Kim or writing Rick and Morty episodes, or you know, just casually writing 25 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.560 the scripts for blockbuster Marvel films like ant Men, The Wall, Quantamnia, 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.480 and the upcoming Avengers, that Kang Dynasty. He's of course, Jeff loved 27 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.560 this. Jeff, thanks for your time. How you doing, Hey, 28 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.919 guys doing all right? I am very excited to talk about this episode. 29 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.759 I don't think I realized that when I chose it. This is the first 30 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.639 Simpsons episode I ever saw, like, this is the for real this is 31 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.199 the episode that like broke it open for me. Yeah, I love this 32 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.240 one. Well, we're a similar age because you're you've just will happy birthday. 33 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.919 By the way, any couple of weeks agothday, Like, oh no, 34 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:28.919 no, that's wrong. For some reason, the internet has my birthday 35 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:30.800 March. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, because you didn't. 36 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.199 You didn't, you didn't mention anything on social media but your birthday. I 37 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.439 was like, Kale doesn't celebrate his birthday very much. June sixth man, 38 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.800 I'm a June sixth man. Wow, that's that's my mother's and my sister's 39 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:45.039 birthday. Dear Lord, all this d day annivers not the same person. 40 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.199 Let us clarify, not the same person. I don't know how it works 41 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.759 in Austria. Yeah, but no, yeah, I'm about thirty three, 42 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.039 gonna be thirty four. So like I sort of aged up with the Simpsons. 43 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.439 Yeah, it was like the dangerous show when you were a kid, 44 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.199 like my I was not allowed watch it. I was like forbidden from watching 45 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.240 It's same. So I was all right. But I've told the story plenty 46 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.879 of times in our podcast, how I watched Trios of Horror one that's where 47 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.680 they have the bad Dreamhouse where they're having the nightmares and it's whatever, and 48 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.159 they go Maggie goes into the kitchen and gets a knife. Well, I 49 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:15.840 proceeded to do the exact same thing. So my mom went, no more 50 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.520 Simpsons for you. Oh yeah, maybe your mom was right. That is 51 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.639 pretty one to one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it is. 52 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:25.159 It is corrupt in the youth. So you're similar ash to me. 53 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:30.360 Did you experience the BARTMANI always had already sort of gone by the time you 54 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:35.560 sort of found The Simpsons. Well, I'm a I'm from like a really 55 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.879 really small town in like rural California, So like I didn't really get a 56 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:44.360 lot of like Simpsons pop culture exposure. Like I didn't get to see all 57 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.960 the mania and the T shirts and things like that. So I certainly knew 58 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.120 who Bart Simpson was, but I didn't really get to see like the popular 59 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.439 American like takeover of pop culture. But certainly like he was a popular guy. 60 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:58.919 He was like a Ninja turtle, you know, he's everywhere. Can 61 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.800 you remember when you first saw the Simpsons, Like, what was it just 62 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.719 like this mind blowing experience? Yeah, because you said this episode was the 63 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.439 first one you saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not have 64 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:11.280 the Fox network and we only had three channels, and so like Fox was 65 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:15.199 off the table where The Simpsons came on, but I think CBS, which 66 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.079 is another channel, was playing like a rerun or something, and so the 67 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:23.519 first glimpse of it I got, I think was like call of the Simpsons 68 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.519 or whatever one where he's like the Bigfoot guy. I only saw like a 69 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.240 couple seconds of like a joke like the newspaper that says like, you know, 70 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.680 Bigfoot likes uh whatever his dinner was, and like, and then it 71 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.839 turned off because like someone said a bad word, like my mom ended and 72 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.519 very religious mother, and so like something something on a front to Christ happened 73 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.800 somewhere in those thirty seconds, and I was not allowed to watch it. 74 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.560 But then my neighbor invited me up to his place one day and we were 75 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.480 like playing video games or whatever, and then he's like, as if we 76 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.120 were about to do like rowin or something. He's like, hey, do 77 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.920 you want to watch the Simpsons? And I was shocked, and I was 78 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.759 like scared, But then he's like, no, no, no, I 79 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.879 think I think you'll like it, and so he pulls out a VHS tape 80 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.160 and this episode was the one we watched. I still remember it, like, 81 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.360 and it was like a bomb went off in my head. Like that 82 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:20.720 was the first kind of comedy that I saw that really like resonated on a 83 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.040 deep level with me, Like I loved it so much, And this episode 84 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:30.160 has so many great little tricks and jokes and characters, like this is almost 85 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.720 like a perfect Simpsons episode. I love it, Jeff. I'm wondering if 86 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:39.000 seeing something like that at such a formative age really sort of lit a bit 87 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.160 of a create or ignited a bit of creative spok in you as well. 88 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:45.839 I mean watching shows like this growing up, I mean, did they give 89 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.399 you some innate sense of half stories are told, how they work, how 90 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:54.240 they structured, how jokes work, which one's land, which one's doing. 91 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.160 Yeah, no, you're right on the money, like the Simpsons, I 92 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.920 mean starting from this episode, but I mean so many of them. I 93 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.199 really do think it is this is price in too controversial an opinion, Like 94 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:10.160 it is probably the best American form of comedy to be made. I think 95 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.319 it really is. And of course it's an international show and everything, but 96 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:19.439 like it really summarizes what is beautiful and chaotic and insane about American life, 97 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.879 and uh yeah to me, Like I mean obviously, like seasons, you 98 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.959 know, like two through whatever wherever you want to cut it off on the 99 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.720 on the purest list, but like it really is just the sharpest form of 100 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.439 comedy, right and if anyone from Conan, John Schwartzwelder to John Viddy like 101 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:40.000 so yeah, as a young person, like I just soaked it in and 102 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:44.439 I see even ant Man, I I kind of borrowed. I took inspiration 103 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.399 from a Simpsons episode for a big chunk of ant Man and a character. 104 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.959 So I mean it's still it pays off. Well, that's rock. It 105 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.600 was Frank Grimes. Have you guys, Yeah, have you guys seen at 106 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.839 Man? Or am I spoiling it? Yeah? Because spoiler Modoc who is 107 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.480 like Corey Stoll from the very first movie, like he's been gone for a 108 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.279 long time. I basically I wanted to do a riff on the Frank Grimes 109 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.800 dynamic. He's like, oh, I mean that's such a beautiful episode of 110 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:14.120 like this guy cannot win and this like loser slob has like the perfect life 111 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.560 that he wants and nothing goes right for Grimes. And I thought of playing 112 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.079 that with like a super villain would be quite funny of like to get into 113 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:24.439 the Marvel Weeds. I guess, like if your Corey Stole, he's been 114 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:29.759 gone since like ant Man one, which was basically like ten years ago, 115 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.040 and so in that time, Paul Rudd has you know, become an Avenger. 116 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.079 He's dating Hope Van Dyne, Hank Pim respects him, he's a superhero 117 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.920 beloved by the world. He's time travel with Captain America twice. Like to 118 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:47.439 me, that almost felt the equivalent of like Homer showing Grimes his wall and 119 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.720 like you've been made, You've been to space, you've never been, never 120 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.720 been, like to see my Grammy, all of that stuff. It felt 121 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.920 like a fun kind of jealous, arrogant dynamic to play with those two guys. 122 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.079 It's also a really great I guess evolution for Darren Cross as well, 123 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:07.639 because I mean I remember in the first ant Man, I mean I really 124 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.319 like Corey Stole as an actor, and you know he sort of plays alpha 125 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.279 ish guys. Yeah, but in the ant Man he's like, you know, 126 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.839 he's got the power suit on and he's got the power of stance. 127 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.399 He's he's someone who's clearly listened to a lot of Tony Robbins, but he 128 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.800 just can't quite pull it off. It's like Sam Roqueville and Iron Man too. 129 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.879 He's like, you really want to be Tony Stark, and under different 130 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.480 circumstances you'd be the alpha in the room, but you just can't, can't 131 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.039 quite pull it off when you're up against you know, DJ or Paul rud 132 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.000 or something like that. So yeah, that was that's I'm glad you picked 133 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.639 up on that. That was very much the other inspiration point. It was 134 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.519 like, look, man, I know you're trying, but uh, yeah, 135 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.639 it's kind of a big head. I'm sorry. Like if like Darth 136 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.960 Vader in episode three, you know, falls into that volcano and comes out 137 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.639 not wearing the coolest, most badass sci fi suit of all time, but 138 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.679 just with a deform head and little baby legs, like to have him be 139 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.159 to have that like insecurity, just at the core of Darren Cross the whole 140 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.480 movie until it blows up. That was. Yeah, that was a big 141 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.799 part of it. I'm really glad you did it with the mode went that 142 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.720 way with the Modoc character as well, because I mean, he's somewhere He's 143 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:22.799 something that you could make really gross or greatisque and the characters inherently is like 144 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.080 he's been a If there's any character you can use comedically in Marvel comics, 145 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:31.240 it's always been Modoc and so like, I almost felt it was a disservice 146 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.240 to the character to do like a serious, gritty adaptation of him. Like 147 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.759 I'm like, no, no, like that, that's against the spirit of 148 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.720 Modoc. He should be ridiculous and he should be like as comic accurate as 149 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:45.840 we can get, which we did pretty well. But yeah, there were 150 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.559 some talks about making him. You know, how do we make it real? 151 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.600 How do we make like Nope, shut those down, Like no, 152 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.720 no, no, no, He's just gotta be a big head, bid 153 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.399 baby legs. Let's sh Yeah, that's it. Don't make him like oh 154 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.679 is nanotech used with the wore to no no, no, no, no, 155 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.279 no, big head, big head. We're constantly pointing out in this 156 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.559 podcast that I want superhero movies to be fun again. It feels like and 157 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:09.639 DC did this slop and it's like the Dark Knight. Everything's dark and gritty 158 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.200 and real. It's like I grew up in the nineties with Batman Forever Man, 159 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.679 go back to that. I jumped back into Batman and Robin the other 160 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.600 day and like you know, maybe not the best film, but I kind 161 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.279 of had that same feeling of like, man, I kind of missed fun 162 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.759 Batman. Yeah, miss Batman. That was like pop culture, like the 163 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.960 art not art deco, what's the word, Like seventies technicolor, like sixties 164 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.039 and seventies. Like, yeah, that Batman stuff is fun. I kind 165 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.519 of like a more playful Batman than just like a perpetually foggy Batman. I 166 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.440 love that you chose Frank Grimes as well, because you go back to the 167 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.840 nineties. When that episode came out, he was the reviews were scathing. 168 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.600 Fans hated that card. And it's funny how it's now evolved tree people who 169 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.399 grew up in the nineties like at the time, the older audience at the 170 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:56.080 time hated it. Those who grew up with that episode look back now and 171 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.039 go, that's one of the greatest episodes of all time. It's funny how 172 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.159 the opinions just shift over time. I'm praying that happens with quantum Mania. 173 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.840 Man. I want history to prove me right. I want history to prove 174 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.360 me right. Verymatus in the ground, man, I was about to say, 175 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.240 I mean, I was reading a few interviews with you and listening to 176 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.759 a few news within we've talked about how Quanta Mania is proving kind of divisive. 177 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.759 That's kind of what the best movies are. I mean, you don't 178 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.440 want one percent cinemas, you know, a plus cinema schoo or one hundred 179 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.440 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. I mean it is. There will be Blood Fargo, 180 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.039 Winds of Desire, A Man of the Wasp, Quantumnia. Yeah, 181 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.679 those are kind of British filments that dude needs to redo that list real quick. 182 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:39.559 No, I mean like that, yeah, I mean I oh, 183 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.960 this actually relates to this episode two. Yeah, some of those articles that 184 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.759 you were mentioning, like, oh, I felt so betrayed. I felt 185 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.440 so like you're doing all these press junk at like zoom interviews, you know, 186 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.840 twenty minutes at a time, and like someone asked about the reviews, 187 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.799 I'm like, oh, yeah, I was kind of depressing. Oh you 188 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:58.480 know, but you you get over it and you kind of move on. 189 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.559 I tossed it away the like the most casual, kind of friendly, you 190 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.039 know, up speak kind of you know, tossed away comment. The next 191 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:13.159 day, it's like a swirling newspaper headline writer depressed and I'm like, oh 192 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.759 my god. And it went out to like Variety tweeted it, People Magazine, 193 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.440 like all these majors, like literally it was everywhere, and I got 194 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.000 all these hundreds of texts, like people asking if I was okay, if 195 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.200 I needed to see someone. So there's this joke in this episode two that 196 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.039 like, yeah, I think like Burns is gonna fire fire Homer and Speathers 197 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:35.320 is like, well, do you think that's the best idea, sir? 198 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.240 Think of the headlines the smart move by Burns. Ye hooray for Burns. 199 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.240 Great decision by Burns. I really did think of like a Simpsons headline when 200 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:52.159 like I said this small thing and then suddenly like the headline is so egregious. 201 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.679 So yeah, I don't know, man, I actually like, man, 202 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.039 I kind of loved the movie. You know, things aren't for everybody 203 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.399 and all that, but like I wanted to write a yeah, like a 204 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.440 fun comic book movie. I wanted to write something that was like colorful and 205 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.840 had quirky, goofy gags, like broad jokes, almost like dumb and dumber, 206 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.639 and then you had an awesome villain and like you get to have a 207 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.679 serious film and a fun villain. Like, yeah, it's kind of been 208 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.720 strange to see how this all play out. But man, I don't know. 209 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.720 I had a good time. I liked it. I think a lot 210 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:22.480 of people they get angry and they don't get what they expect, right, 211 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.559 it happened, And I was guilty of that. When the second Star Wars 212 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.440 film came out, what was it, the last Jedi. She's a lifelong 213 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.399 Star Wars fan. I was so angry. The longer it's gone on, 214 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.039 I've just gone that wasn't that bad. It's not for me. It doesn't 215 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.879 mean it's not good. It's just people just have this sort of ownership of 216 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.240 the Marvel universe, like it has to be the way we want and it's 217 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.960 not the way we expect that, then it's not good. Yeah, it's 218 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.080 gotten to that place where it's like a professional sports team or something. You 219 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.879 know, it's been it's been in the family a bit. It's reaching that 220 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.440 Star Trek age where it's been around for like enough for another generation to come 221 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.559 into like other things that the previous one didn't. So like, yeah, 222 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.600 I mean I grew up reading comic books. I'm a hardcore X Men fan, 223 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.720 so like, I know, you know these are sports fans. Boone 224 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.480 at the Yankees, you know, like I think we'll be all burns out. 225 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.399 People don't like the Yankees. I did find interesting that you love Blade 226 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.320 because my man, he go out he loves Blade as well. Blade is 227 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:20.879 so great that first movie. He no character arc, he just shows up. 228 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.960 He's Blade. He kicks ass for about ninety five minutes and it's great. 229 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.360 It's not evenutes of Wesley stops sucking up vampires. Lady, miss you 230 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.000 don't miss. I love the two thirds mark of that movie spoiler alerts for 231 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.399 Blade. He gets like three triple whammies at once. It's like, hey, 232 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.440 man, your mom she's alive. Bad news, your mom's a vampire. 233 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.399 Bad news, she's fucking the vampire you hate, like three in a 234 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.600 row, and he barely He's like damn. He keeps going back to fights 235 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.600 like that would have crushed any other man, but Blade just kind of took 236 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:01.159 it in stride, not Wisley. How much there is there any other Simpsons 237 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.600 inspirations in your scripts particularly obviously can't talk about it. Kan Dynasty that's you 238 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.320 know, that's under yeah, But is there going to be some sort of 239 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.720 like Simpsons influences in that film as well. Kane Dynasty is heavily influenced by 240 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.279 the minorrel episode That's that's one for one. Put a jointed little hat on 241 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.039 Jonathan Majens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got He's already practicing the 242 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.279 song I m man. I don't know. I mean, the Simpsons is 243 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.559 pretty deep into most of my comedy. I can't think of a specific reference, 244 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.679 So I guess, I guess I'll say no, but I'm sure something. 245 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.440 I'll pop up camp crops. We'll be in there somewhere, Pepe fear, 246 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.080 I don't know. Jumping back to um. Sorry we mentioned mister Burns 247 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.840 a little while ago and ub Oh. Yeah. I had a nice bit 248 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.120 of synchronicity this morning watching rewatching Barkeets hit by a car. But before that, 249 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:52.840 I read this really long article in Vanity Fair about the Murdoch family and 250 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.600 about about Rupert Murdoch especially, and how you know, the guys what a 251 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:04.600 something? What is he not? Three hundred like? But they've kept very 252 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.399 very quiet the fact that you know, he's just had multiple health issues over 253 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.919 the last you know, maybe five or six years, including one where he's 254 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.039 like fractured his back because Wendy Dan pushed him into a piano and he's just 255 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.720 you know, I'm like, what the fuck. But then watching this episode 256 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:23.960 and it's like, at least at the very start when mister Burns is behind 257 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.960 the wheel, like, oh, this is the kind of mean, threatening, 258 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.240 you know, own big wig in Pottersville, mister Burns that we used 259 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.039 to know. And then but then later on you've got I'm gonna crush you 260 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:42.000 like this paper cups that I remember being the first Like, that's like the 261 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.120 major joke of the episode that made me laugh out loud when I was a 262 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:51.759 kid. I've always remembered that paper cup joke, and it's it's like the 263 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.440 pre mister Burns voice he's doing these earlier seasons. Mister Burns, he's not 264 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.200 quite the like excellent kind of guy. I do like that that this is 265 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.799 like my favorite of Burns though, where he's he's not quite a super villain. 266 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.519 It's just a rich guy, rich old guy just abusing his power. 267 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.960 Yeah, I do. I highly prefer like an evil billionaire to a cool 268 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:14.200 billionaire. I never buy the Iron Man Elon Musk. Then give me an 269 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.119 evil Turn of the century billionaire any day. Magnate, like a robber baron. 270 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.200 Yeah, and it's funny how they change the character because we're going sort 271 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.480 of in chronlogical lorders aft the season seventeen now, and by this point the 272 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.119 Burns character is just how would you describing guy? He's just nothing. There's 273 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:36.319 no scariness, there's no evilness to basically a ghost. Yeah, like his 274 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.559 body falls upon any basically, Lenny, there's nothing to it. But this 275 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.599 is a really really monumental episode because this was the first appearance for Phil Hartman, 276 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.640 so that the first little hunt. I assumed watching this again, I 277 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.359 assumed it was the first appearance, but I cut that too. I'm like, 278 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.559 oh, and he went on to be such a mainstay Lionel Huts is 279 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.359 you know, almost every four episodes or something, I'll pop in. Yeah, 280 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.079 yeah, well Phil Hartman is just incredible. But yeah, but it's 281 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.839 almost like a different Huts here, because Huts would going to become sort of 282 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.519 like the here's the sleazy lawyer here going to be sort of become the bad 283 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.119 lawyer as the show would evolve on like where he was it was, it 284 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.119 was still sleazy, but he was just sort of he was just a really 285 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.000 bad lawyer wasn't good at his job, you know. Yeah, well that's 286 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.480 interest. That's a nice that's a nice discerning take. You're right. And 287 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.839 then he would just slowly get worse and worse and more and more incompetent. 288 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.480 Yeah. Is this the first appearance of doctor Nick too. Yeah. And 289 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.599 they just go hand in hand as a pet, don't they really? When 290 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:30.359 you think about it, it's the way you see it with a lot of 291 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.200 Simpsons characters, though. I mean, they'll start them in a relatively grounded 292 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.960 fashion, and I was like, well, we can turn this style just 293 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.039 a little bit, you know, make him not so much a sleazy ambulance 294 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.359 shase or it's just a guy like the Willie Lowman of lawyers. It was 295 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.559 like, then you can have this one. It's half full. Well one, 296 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.279 I just drank out of a toilet. It'll be back, which my 297 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.680 favorite huts exchange of all time. I love the small modulations that happen to 298 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:02.160 characters. I'm right there with you, Like watching older episodes with like Skinner 299 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.880 and all of his Vietnam flashbacks, like all of his Vietnam like he's an 300 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:08.559 unstable man, like he's ready to snap at any seconds, and then buy 301 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.640 about season what seven, we forget about the Vietnam War and it never comes 302 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:17.200 up again. Well in season nine is where they have the fact that he 303 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.640 wasn't even the guy. He wasn't even Yeah, that's what's your thoughts on 304 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.960 episodes like that where they really changed the cannon of a character. You know, 305 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:27.599 it's tough, it's I kind of do look at it the same way 306 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.799 as comic books, like every once in a while there's gonna be some weird 307 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.759 left turns, Like in the nineties they pulled that with Spider Man. It's 308 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:38.319 like, oh no, no, no, the character you've known for about 309 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.279 fifty years. I he was a clone. There's another guy, like, 310 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.960 he's not real, there's another like you know, a good twist can be 311 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.200 good, but then eventually it all kind of ends up resetting and in your 312 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.400 mind, like do you even believe that episode or do you kind of I 313 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.880 don't know. I like the Skinner we got like I like, so, 314 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.119 I don't know. I think I mean the Simpsons. How many episodes are 315 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.079 there even like a couple of thousand, I think seven fifties one. I 316 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.079 just recently Pops, which is still a ship light of episodes it feels like 317 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.079 a thousand. I think it's okay to kind of play fast and loose because 318 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:15.759 it's almost like Star Trek. You know, these are not sequential episodes outside 319 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.440 of a couple of them that have like a two parter. They're kind of 320 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.319 like, you know, in one episode spos got like a brother, then 321 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.400 you never hear about them again, you know. Or it's like or they'll 322 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.519 they'll do an episode like there's always an old girl friend of Bones that shows 323 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.799 up. It's like, how many old girlfriends do this guy have? Like 324 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.559 I think with American TV especially and the older style of it before it became 325 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.759 like this bingeable, streamable thing. You know, this might be the only 326 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.160 episode someone sees or the first episode someone sees, so you can kind of 327 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.839 like play fast and loose to the continuity. Well you're a knicks Men man 328 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:52.319 as well, and continuity and that sort of in that saga is just nomany 329 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.200 idea. How many time displace kids cyclops as they're all over the place. 330 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.079 So the end you just got a sort of roll to sign and just like 331 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:06.559 looks it's the mutants there this week they're doing this. You know, just 332 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:08.680 enjoy it. You just kind of I think that's fun with that style. 333 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.799 I mean same with like Star Wars, like reading all those novels in the 334 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:18.039 nineties or two thousand, like at that expanded universe kind of thing. It's 335 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.319 probably not quote Cannon, but like who cares like it's it's like a take 336 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.480 it as like a one off. Yeah. Nothing infuriates me more than people 337 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.319 who would just hell bent on continuity to the to the point where they're like, 338 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.799 well, you know it's James Bond is you know, he's played by 339 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.960 different actors, but they're all the same James Bond. They're just switching up 340 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:41.079 the double saven designation to different people. Like not the fuck they are. 341 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.480 Man's just understand what that means. It's all literally the same being. Or 342 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.519 I think, yeah, James Bond is just a code name that they give 343 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:52.839 to give to all these different guys. So you know, I mean, 344 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.400 so wait, they all have to be very very horny British men. Is 345 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.319 that the only pretty much the casting to type. I just assume he was 346 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.519 just the same guy, and you know, it's like playing basketwise out of 347 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.920 face. That's what it is. Describe the struggle trying to write, for 348 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.559 example, quantumentia. Right, you want to write a film that can be 349 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.079 appreciated and enjoyed as just the film in itself, but you got to also 350 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:15.920 incorporate all this other stuff that's come before and what's going to be coming after. 351 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.799 Describe how hard it is this sort of incorporate all that that doesn't mess 352 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.559 with a film being able to be enjoyed as a standalone. Yeah, yeah, 353 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.200 I know, it is tough, Like especially this movie. It's like 354 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.680 the third movie. It also tailbacks tailbacks that's not a word, tailgates off 355 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.079 of a like Avengers End Game, which Aunt ma'am is a big part of. 356 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.759 And yeah, it's got to kind of introduce a character, a villain 357 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.160 that will be paying off, you know, however he pays off down the 358 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.440 road. It was definitely tricky and then like there's small things you might forget. 359 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.279 It's like, oh, yeah, Darren Cross, like Corey Stall in 360 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.920 our test audiences, people didn't even recognize him obviously, he's a big fat 361 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.079 head. So like we had to really remind people a few ways in the 362 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.359 movie, like a flashback and have Cassie mentioned it to kind of you know, 363 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.160 perk people up again. Same with like Michelle Peiffer. There's a lot 364 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.000 of backstory there, so we got a pipe that like, oh, yeah, 365 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.960 she was in the quantum realm for a while, you got to do 366 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.640 a flashback there. But then you also just have to let the movie, 367 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:15.920 you know, USh through itself in I don't know, like I kind of 368 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.799 use my parents as the as the as the rubric. They're not really like 369 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.759 Marvel fans or you know, they didn't see the other ant Man movies, 370 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.720 and they seem to more or less get what was going on. So I 371 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.920 don't know, you just try to you try to shoehorn in the exposition you 372 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.519 can get away with, and then kind of trust the audience for the rest 373 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.680 of it. Well, if someone's discussed racing in their podcast, how it 374 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.920 feels like Star Wars as a Lawsons, it's starting to feel like homework. 375 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:44.519 Yeah, that's I was trying in that way of like there was a blessing 376 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.759 in this movie. How like so much it just took place in the quantum 377 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.279 realm, so you don't really have to worry about like, you know, 378 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.640 oh it is Falcon gonna show up as she Hulk? Why don't they call 379 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.640 she Hulk? Like you got to have a little bit more of an isolated 380 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:02.400 experience and then bring in original character. There's like side side characters or the 381 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.920 Jello man with holes and all that. Like, yeah, I kind of 382 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:10.119 I did want. I tried to intentionally write this almost like a nineties adventure 383 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.640 movie, Like I want it to feel like something you could have seen like 384 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:18.599 Robin Williams in in like nineteen ninety four or something. Yeah, Hook, 385 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:21.839 Jumanji, that kind of stuff or um. So, I don't know. 386 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.119 Yeah, I think there is a danger of this stuff becoming too homeworky or 387 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.079 too interconnected. So I don't know. I just tried to make it a 388 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.799 fun Paul Rudd adventure kind of road trip comedy. What's Superhero would you love 389 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:34.559 to write a film for? Where they said, it's just a standalone nothing 390 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.880 else has to be involved. It's just a movie about this this character. 391 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.839 Who would you love to write a film about? You know? My favorite 392 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:47.319 Marvel character his Cyclops. I think I love Cyclops. He's such a loser. 393 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.039 I love he's just such like he's got the world on his shoulders. 394 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.920 His power's broken. Uh, nobody likes him. He's like that. He's 395 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.599 like the shift manager at a restaurant. And you know, like it's really 396 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.359 up to him to keep things moving. But big whole monitor energy. Yeah 397 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.480 yeah, yeah, teaching and teach you didn't give us any homework. Well, 398 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.319 but at the same time, like he's got to be that way because 399 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.240 if he slips up, he's gonna kill everybody he looks at. Like, 400 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.279 so it's I like the allegory of his powers too. I think there's a 401 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.720 really the broken sun quality he has with Xavier and Magneto, and then like 402 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:25.440 that translates to his powers and that lack of security. And then honestly like 403 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.240 the way he built himself up to become a hall monitor. Like you're saying, 404 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.440 like if you track his growth, it's like you're kind of proud of 405 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:33.400 him for doing the Like, oh wow, good for you man, Like 406 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.640 you were like a monster and you're like an eighty pound monster who who only 407 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.720 knew how to kill people and then you work your way up to be the 408 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.000 leader. I'm like that's pretty good man, Good for you. I'd do 409 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.720 one of him, And hey, man, I love Superman. It's like, 410 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:49.880 hey, if you know Superman of her rolls around, why not? 411 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.359 But uh, I'd go Cyclops for now. Patty get through the uh, 412 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.640 the self doubt. Luck from example, you knew what you wanted right with 413 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.119 Modoc, and they're coming with you an oldest nash More at this, I 414 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.039 really want to like this. How do you get to the point where you 415 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.839 go the compromise, where you go all right, I know what this needs 416 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.640 to be. How do you sort of convince an executive this is what it 417 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.880 needs to be? Oh um, oh man, there's I'm I'm not the 418 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.759 guy to ask on this. There's always a lot of that going on. 419 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.200 Marvel's pretty collaborative. And then like you know, certainly I'm not the final 420 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.160 word like Peyton read the director would have kind of the you know, the 421 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:30.400 final stamp, but I don't know. You try to acknowledge also, like 422 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.240 what's the note behind the note or what are they trying to say? So 423 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.440 like with Modoc, like I mentioned earlier, some test screenings didn't quite know 424 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.079 what was going on because they just didn't either they hadn't seen the first ant 425 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.079 Man movie or they had forgotten about him. And the CGI was pretty rough. 426 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.960 You know, we were showing test screenings six months ago, so like, 427 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.920 you know, yeah, clearly there's a disconnect there, and what's going 428 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.960 on, and so that note came through and I'm like, okay, that 429 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.400 is actually quite fair. I don't think it means we should cut him. 430 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.880 I think it means we need to clarify him. And so like you kind 431 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.359 of just try to like keep your energy and your point of view as solid 432 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.839 as you can, while also opening up the collaboration of like, yeah, 433 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.400 clearly something here's not working, Like here's my solution, let me drive it 434 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.440 through. But I do feel unless it's a do or die situation where you 435 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.000 got to make enemies and burn bridges, you're all kind of the same team, 436 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.079 so you got to kind of choose your battles and sometimes you're wrong, 437 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.440 yeah, and sometimes like you also got to see that you're wrong. So 438 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.079 like, I don't know, I don't know if I have a good answer, 439 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.920 because I got to work on my confidence as well. But usually when 440 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.599 you feel it and you've got that rhythm of how the joke should play out, 441 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.799 there's something to what you're feeling, and so try to find what they're 442 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:47.000 feeling too, and kind of get the harmonious chord between you if you can. 443 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.319 Speaking of confidence, and maybe this is just my sort of right as 444 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.440 neurosis spring to the full. But I mean I'm speaking as a cowdcarrying member 445 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.519 of Generation Exit, knowing you're going to be rotting the same Michelle Fife, 446 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.039 knowing she's going to be reading a script with your name on it. Yeah, 447 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.839 are you ever thinking while you're running it? God, I hope she 448 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.319 likes this though. God, I hope she thinks I'm cool something old. 449 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:11.839 You know, if Michael Douglas is rating it, Oh yeah, of course, 450 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.480 Bull Rodo, Evangeline Lily or who ever. But now all of them, 451 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:21.400 like Michelle Phifer especially, And that was a big part of me probably 452 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.240 getting the job for this movie or talking about it in the early days, 453 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.400 because I almost forgot Michelle Phifer was in these I'm like, oh yeah, 454 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.319 like she's yeah, they savor in the second one, and you know, 455 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.640 then at the end of the movie, you don't really get to explore her 456 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.880 too much, which makes sense for the second movie. But that was a 457 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.160 big part of what Peyton and I talked about, is like, we've got 458 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.920 one of the biggest movie stars of all time, Like, let's let's give 459 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.359 her the complicated father backstory that is usually in most of these sci fi things 460 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.359 like there's all. I mean, every other superhero movie is a father son 461 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.279 kind of story that's like a broken past at the father. It's a pretty 462 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.599 easy inversion to make it a mother daughter's story and that makes it slightly fresh. 463 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.440 Sure, And you get to have Mischelle Peiffer kind of be the Obi 464 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.680 One or the Gandolf kind of leading you through the quantum realm. So yeah, 465 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.319 that was a big And then you get to explore like her kind of 466 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:17.880 traumatic history and you get to you get to give her the Xavier Magneto relationship 467 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.519 with Kane, like she's you know, at the end of the day, 468 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.599 these guys saved each other and they lived together for years and years, and 469 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.400 like there is a bond between them. So I don't know, Like I 470 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.039 mean, I just wanted to lay her up as much as possible, and 471 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.759 she's a She nailed it. I love her scenes with Jonathan as well, 472 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.440 just really great performances. Do you want your comedy with the actor in mind 473 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.519 or do you want it with the charactor in mind? A little bit of 474 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.839 both, you know. It depends. Like with Bill Murray, like we 475 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:47.000 got him in the movie kind of later in the process that character had been 476 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.119 written and you know, you have other people in mind. Maybe, But 477 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:55.440 then once Bill Murray kind of got circled, Yeah, you certainly you certainly 478 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.359 go back, and I was like, yeah, I'll take another spin at 479 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.480 that. Now that I know it's Bill Murray, you can kind of write 480 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.400 it closer to the bone of what you know, what his vibe is. 481 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.119 But I think, um, you know, with comedy it can be very 482 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.200 helpful, like if you it depends on what you're making and your relationships are. 483 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.039 But like I love to write for like actor friends of mine or comedy 484 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.680 friends of mine because you know, they're rhythms, they can hit. Certainly 485 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.839 that's a you know that that's a pro. At the same time, I 486 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.720 don't know, I think the world can just benefit from just fresh out of 487 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.279 the gate characters. And like you know, sometimes when you write to type, 488 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.880 it just all sounds like the same thing, Like everyone's just writing the 489 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.279 same kind of quippy TV sitcom dialogue. So I don't know. I try 490 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:38.920 to write original, but if I've got like a north Star in my head, 491 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.359 I'll use that voice. It kind of feels like that's where The Simpsons 492 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.640 evolved to, where it was like we write joke and then assign it to 493 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.799 a character where back in the Glory is these earlier episodes that we're talking about 494 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.799 now, it's like swat Spotter, he wrote this episode. He's one of 495 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.279 the most iconic Simpsons writers of all time. You can tell when you're watching 496 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:56.640 an episode like this is a Swat Spotter episode. You can just tell from 497 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.279 the comedy. Who are some of your inspire when it comes to comedy rodding. 498 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.279 Did you have any growing up? Yeah? Yeah, I mean sports 499 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.119 Fielder is one of them. And it was funny how like I didn't you 500 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.640 know, I didn't know his name when I was a kid, But then 501 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.839 you start to see that name in the credits of like your favorite episodes, 502 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.000 and then I know what you're saying about. Like you can tell a sports 503 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.480 Felder episode almost right out the gate if it's got some like old timey Americana 504 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:27.400 and it's got like nineteen baseball or like factory workers or like the docs and 505 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:33.599 some sort of like he's he's always got like old timey things in their pioneers 506 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.559 and like cowboys. Um he I And then so like as I grew up, 507 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.440 then I noticed all his stamps on the episodes, and I just I 508 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.400 love the guy and I think he's like the sharpest writer to do it. 509 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:49.799 Conan O'Brien more so for his late night show like but that was a huge 510 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.720 deal to me growing up, especially his sketch comedy instincts that they had on 511 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:59.559 the show. Um, there's writers named Brian Stack and Brian McCann who were 512 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.680 like his kind of too go to comedy guys there. I'd say they were 513 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.039 huge influences on me and just they're kind of a very funny but also very 514 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.960 dumb and smart comedy at the same time in that American variety show format. 515 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.039 I don't know. I mean there's plenty, like when I was Garth Marenghi's 516 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.759 Dark Place. Yeah, that show that was like again, that was like 517 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.440 another bomb going off in my head. I think I saw it freshman year 518 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.359 of college and like he, I mean, that's a big one. Obviously 519 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.359 arrested development. I remember that one being kind of a big water shed came 520 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.200 out a few years ago now, but that was a big one. It's 521 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.400 just you start to notice or even like my dad watching Mash and Frasier, 522 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.119 like I ought to see some older kind of classic American comedies through my dad 523 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.200 and like I love the way. I mean, you know, everyone seen 524 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.839 Mash I suppose, but like it is a pretty ingenious mix of comedy and 525 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.400 drama and tragedy, like it really and when it works, it works really 526 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.920 well in a way that doesn't pull its punches. And then Frasier, h 527 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.880 Frasier is like perfectly. It's like a finely tuned watch, Like you can 528 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.640 set your watch to a Frasier episode, And I mean that with like a 529 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.839 compliment, like it's so well structured, it's so well done. It's elegant. 530 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.279 David Hyde Pierson here, you know, he nails every line, every 531 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.960 joke. It's like so well done. And in my Rick and Morty days, 532 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.640 one of my final episodes was like mister Nimbus, like this ocean man 533 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.759 thing. I basically just stole the structure from a Frasier like dinner party episode 534 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.559 and un that on Rick and Morty, which is you know, I don't 535 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.279 think people would compare Rick and Morty to Frasier as far as like sensibilities, 536 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.039 but it really was like the bones of comedy writing you can really find in 537 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.920 those classic good sitcoms. I'm glad you brought up Rick and Morty. Jack 538 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.559 I didn't want to ask about it. I mean, it seems almost lazy 539 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.240 at this point to make the draw the comparisons between Rick and Morty and the 540 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.920 MCU. But I mean three credits make a trend as far as I'm concerning 541 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.039 Bouldron, Jessica Gao and yourself. I mean, I wonder if could tell 542 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.960 us a bit about of course it's a it's a Justin Royland show, but 543 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.319 it's also got Dan Harmon's fingerprints on it as well. I wonder if you 544 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.679 could tell us a bit about the Harmon school of storytelling so to speak. 545 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.360 Harmon's a master at it. Yeah, he I mean, I don't think 546 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.719 I've met a guy who knows structure better than he does. He has that 547 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:17.760 story circle, and uh, you know, there's a variety. I mean, 548 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:20.760 at the end of the day, it is just like a trick or 549 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.280 it's a diagram to kind of help you get your beats down. But I 550 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.639 mean, damned if there'sn't a better one. You know, like he's got 551 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.679 a pretty good one and it really works. That guy has like a like 552 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.400 a super computer brain at hacking things. And I don't think there was a 553 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.079 script that he didn't touch. That wasn't made better by it. You know, 554 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:45.079 he's Harmon's the real deal as far as comedy writers go. He's really 555 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.960 good and so um sorry, like and we could break when he was on 556 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.519 fire, well he would like I think we broke the vat of acid episode 557 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.119 in like a day, like an afternoon we went to rock right that. 558 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.639 But like, there's a joy and a comedy way, or there's misery, 559 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.719 but like, I love the joy of a comedy writer's room because once you 560 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.840 get that electricity and everyone's kind of pitching around at the same time, it's 561 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.519 just like it's the most fun place to be. And I would listen to 562 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.079 interviews with cohnan talking about the Simpsons writer's room, and I remember it was 563 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.840 like a source of almost like pride for me. I've been working for a 564 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.239 long time and things weren't you know, there's always projects that go and die 565 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.559 and whatever. But then I got Rick and Morty and then I started to 566 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.199 really be friends with like all those great writers in the room. And I 567 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.760 heard Conan give that interview and I was like, oh, I know what 568 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:36.519 he's talking about. Oh I know what he's talking about, And like I 569 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.239 felt like a writer in that moment is that the thing you missed the most 570 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.360 going from writing you a script for a film with your credit to being in 571 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.360 the writer's room where you're just bantering and bouncing off of each other. Do 572 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:52.519 I miss being in a small airless with twelve very depressed men in the mid 573 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.039 to late now? I that is a thing like I miss having, especially 574 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.159 when it's going well, like just yeah, being able to to vibe with 575 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.639 a lot of funny people and then yeah yeah, and the trust fall quality 576 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.119 of knowing, like, you know what, I'm gonna write this script. 577 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.280 I think it's pretty good. If it's not good, they'll tell me. 578 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.679 And if it's not good, they will, you know, make it better 579 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.760 with a joke. And that's the way I believe the old Simpsons writing room 580 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.400 worked, like just machine gun jokes at this thing, no ego, let's 581 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.360 make this thing as good as we can. That's it can be hard to 582 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.280 achieve if your room is not all on the same page, or if there 583 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.519 is ego, or if there is like you know, territorial stuff or whatever. 584 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.719 But that room was pretty great, and so we got to that level 585 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.079 of like, hey, this is really fun. Here's my shot at it. 586 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.440 Let's all make it better together. That is a great thing. However, 587 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.840 I think I do if I had to choose, I don't know. 588 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.920 I think I like writing something on my own because like, at the same 589 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.079 time, there's gonna be so many cooks in this kitchen anyways, Like you 590 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.199 might as well just be the guy to kind of drive the boat through it, 591 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:00.239 because yeah, at the end of the day, there are If there 592 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.800 are thirteen other people trying to pitch a joke, it takes a lot longer 593 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.519 to get that joke, and it might end up being the first joke he 594 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.880 wrote. To begin with. You mentioned the word trust just before. It 595 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.079 must just be incredible from your perspective. Way you took a chance in yourself 596 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.199 when you left Kimmel, right, and that was a big deal, you 597 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.960 know, and it must be some self doubt moments threat there. But it's 598 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.679 paid off now to the point where you know, Disney, Marvel, they've 599 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.199 trusted you to write the upcoming a vengeance film. That's a that's huge man. 600 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.960 Thank you. Oh no, that's that's really nice for you to say. 601 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.280 I've been thinking about that. It's like been us Kimmel was definitely I 602 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.119 was like, so nervous, and that was my first job. I should 603 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.639 not be a writer, you know, it made like comedy videos on YouTube, 604 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.199 and then like I got a job on a TV show from like a 605 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.800 YouTube video I made. Like it all was like a fluke, you know. 606 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.599 It was like a you know, like a I don't know what to 607 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.599 even call it luck. And so I always had that kind of fear and 608 00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.400 that small town kid fear in me of like, I don't know is gonna 609 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.199 work. I got to stay here, and Kimmel was a great job. 610 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.119 I was there for many years. But yeah, there was this feeling. 611 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.599 I think I've said this before somewhere else. I had a feeling, you 612 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:14.639 know, we were doing Thanksgiving jokes. It was Thanksgiving, You're writing jokes 613 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.400 for the monologue, and I wrote some and something just felt weird about it. 614 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.960 And I went back through my emails and I had written like the exact 615 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.440 same joke like three years earlier, and it was this feeling of like, 616 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.039 ah, okay, it might be time to go, like it might be 617 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.519 time to do something new. But I was really nervous. I was like 618 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.599 terrified of it. And then at Rick and Morty I did the kind of 619 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.239 the same thing. I'd written six episodes five at the time, I guess, 620 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.159 and I had that same feeling of like, and it's hard to explain 621 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.480 because it is like one of the most popular shows. You know, it's 622 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.199 kind of that it's Apex or whatever. But I just had that same feeling 623 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.719 of like, I think I've done all I can do here, Like I 624 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.320 think it's good to go out on mister Nimbus, like that's a good one. 625 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.639 And then I came back to help kind of write the an Alley but 626 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.920 like it, um, I don't know. I'm trying to trust that feeling 627 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.360 a little bit more. I'm sure it's gonna blow up in my face one 628 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.559 of these days. But like that has been if you're a writer or whatever, 629 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.280 like hold on to that itch, like that itch man, I Sometimes 630 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.480 you don't want it to be there, but sometimes it is there and you 631 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.039 got to just kind of go with it. But I don't know, it 632 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.920 could be a big mistake. We'll see, we'll see yet. How many 633 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.559 billions of dollars an endgame? Makoy? Sorry, how much? Oh? 634 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:34.000 Oh? Oh, well, that's it's like they're handing you the cays to 635 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.360 the Lamborghinian's, Like, oh, my god, I get to drive a 636 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:37.599 Lamb Ginnie. It's like, holy shit, what if I crashed this Lamb 637 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.679 beginning? Yea, yeah, I'm on my learner's permit. I've got to 638 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.199 have five get far with me? Well, I mean I'm looking at it 639 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.239 of like, man, this is nuts, Like it feels like it's like 640 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.920 a crazy thing, and so I'm cheating it of like I'm trying to take 641 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.840 ego out of it. I'm trying to take like even yeah, like fan 642 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.559 reactions or internet stuff. It's like, yeah, that's you know, Yeah, 643 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.800 you're playing the major leagues. People are gonna boo you from the audience, 644 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.960 you know, Like that's that's literally how it's supposed to go. And 645 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.679 so I think I've it took a bit, like it took a bit of 646 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:13.159 acclimatization because I grew up on the internet, you know, But now I 647 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.880 am pretty excited and like we're kind of in the process. I can't really 648 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:21.639 say anything, you know, but like I get to write like the biggest 649 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.039 movie possible that I can swing at, with as many characters as I want, 650 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.119 with like really great actors, and like it's ah, hey, I 651 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.239 mean like it quite literally is a dream job and so hey, we'll see. 652 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.079 It's like it's that when I put that in perspective, it's like, 653 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.280 oh yeah, I can take a couple mean tweets at me like and like 654 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.800 it doesn't go my way. I got out of Montgomery Creek, California, 655 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.840 and it does go my way. Hey we got another Avengers movie. Great? 656 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.440 Did did I tell you to not worry about the response online? The 657 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.559 SHD? No, they got enough stuff going on. You know, they 658 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.559 got they got Disney Black Site Prisons to clean up. I don't know, 659 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:07.559 no, I mean they they I think they're also big enough to where like, 660 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.599 you know what, this is how it goes. We just got to 661 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.239 be above it. It's almost like I almost had the Catholic Church. It's 662 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.559 not right, but like it's almost like hey, like what are you gonna 663 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.079 do? Like, yeah, we're here, like you know, try to 664 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.239 kind of get to the sea level we're at and then you can you can 665 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.679 go with it, which I think is actually kind of healthier. It's very 666 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.199 Buddhist. It's like engaging in that stuff is beneath you, like that you 667 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.320 are wasting your time if you engage in that all day, So like you 668 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.760 gotta kind of rise above. I suppose believe do what you think is best 669 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.239 and just just paw through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind at the 670 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:40.920 end of the day. I mean, you're the guy with his name on 671 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.760 the credits of a Marvel movie as opposed to some guy who's got ten k 672 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.840 views on YouTube. Well he'll get there, yeah, I mean, I 673 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.159 Hey, I'm more paut of that little scrap ten years ago. I was 674 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.159 exactly that, so I I sympathize, Jeff. I'd like to ask about 675 00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.480 multiverses for a moment, and why they're so big right now. I mean, 676 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.960 I have a theory that you know, we're fucking up this reality pretty 677 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.119 bad. Like it's good to know they might be some other ones out they 678 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.519 end up doing okay. But um yeah, between the mcube everything everywhere at 679 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.079 once, Morty, I mean, we seem to be really big on other 680 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.440 dimensions and other other realities. I think you're right on the money with your 681 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.079 theory. I think you're right on the money. I'd also say there's maybe 682 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.079 a more callous theory about like there's a lot of IP to exploit and like, 683 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.599 hey, Michael Keaton was a good batman, right, Let's use him, 684 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:31.840 Like, hey, like, Hey, Tobey Maguire is great, let's 685 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.599 bring him in. It's nostalgia as well. Yeah, I think I think 686 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:42.920 we're reaching kind of then idea of nostalgia IP mining, and seems like we 687 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.440 got to do something else there. We're running out of you know, we 688 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:51.679 were running out of Ninja turtles to However, there the good side of that 689 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.280 is, like it really does I mean anything from like the Robert Frost poem, 690 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.719 you know, like the Road Not Taken or the Garden of Forking Paths, 691 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.920 like Borhe's short story Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow, Like the good parts 692 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.119 of a multiverse are based on choice and regret and things you could have been 693 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.719 or didn't do. It's a wonderful life, you know. And any of 694 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.199 these movies Christmas Carol, you know, like any of these movies are almost 695 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:22.119 multi verses in themselves, and it just presents you know, choice and humanity 696 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.280 and it's certainly everywhere, everything, everywhere, all at once. Did that 697 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.719 beautifully with you know, um, both of those characters kind of meeting in 698 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.159 different realities Cloud Atlas. No, No, that's not that's not a multiverse. 699 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.519 That's more of a time thing. But Uh, I don't know. 700 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:42.559 Yeah, there's like a there's a there's a there's a callous way of looking 701 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.400 at it, and then there's almost like a beautiful way that it really opens 702 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.000 up a lot of potentials with storylines. So I don't know, I'm trying 703 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.360 to look at the good side. I think I think there's plenty of good 704 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.360 stuff in it. Let's get to bakets hit by a car. Getting back 705 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.039 to it. So it was on the first episodes you saw. It's definitely 706 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.840 an episode you can appreciate as a kid, but once you get now I'm 707 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.840 for so long, I'm talking about ten years watching as an adult. I 708 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.760 think it's a credit to John swatswatter right because he manages to evoke such emotion 709 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.599 in that final scene with Marge and Homer from a story that started about one 710 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.039 minute prior to that. Yeah, that was dark. I actually was like, 711 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.280 oh my god, Homer, what are you say? But it just 712 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.840 came out, It just comes out of nowhere, that that little thread. 713 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.280 It felt that to me felt like oh man. In TV writer lingo, 714 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.360 it's like, oh man, I think we're about two minutes short on this 715 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.039 episode. We got to add something we did have the same thing on a 716 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.000 Rick and Morty episode. The vat of acid came in like four minutes short, 717 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.920 and so our director just made a little beautiful short film in the middle 718 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.039 of it and put it in there, and that's the best part of the 719 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.599 episode. So I feel like maybe they added that in or something. It 720 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.320 was like a little they need an extra little you know, sea salt to 721 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.800 kind of land the plane. That's not a phrase, but no, like 722 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:58.679 it's got super child friendly jokes, and then it's got clever like newspaper jokes, 723 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.360 and it's got ambulance chase your jokes, you know it's and it's got 724 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.880 this like, yeah, broken marital story at the very end, and the 725 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.519 price of telling the truth. It's a I guess my favorite joke is probably 726 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.480 the paper cup and then the mister Burns newspaper headline. But I remember as 727 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:17.920 a kid I loved and I thought it was like revolutionary. I've never seen 728 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.719 the two kind of like the Raschaman, the two different versions of the story. 729 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:29.880 Yeah, that was I'm old. Yes, that that line. I 730 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.840 think that was the line that like drove the nail into my brain of like 731 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:40.519 take me, I'm old. That is like a perfect thing. The perfect 732 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.480 thing about that too, is that that Burns is this story together clearly hasn't 733 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:49.360 runned by Smiths. Because he runs you just throw Smiths under the bush. 734 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.480 The Orphanage donate toys. Yeah, but it's just a great sort of a 735 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.760 little insight into just the exploitation of the court system where they're both doing the 736 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.000 wrong thing. It's just which one is the jew we're going to believe. 737 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.920 Oh No, I've actually been impressed with The Simpsons going back to those older 738 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.000 episodes, like they were kind of ahead of the game and seeing that like 739 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:14.679 the American legal and police systems are really bad, and like from day one, 740 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.119 like Wigham is just completely incompetent. Everything's going wrong with the cops. 741 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.920 Never help anybody in that show. They're completely off the ball. The billionaires 742 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.360 evil doesn't care about safety regulations. The whole town lives next to like an 743 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.159 open reactor and a trash fire, you know, like corporate environmentalism is yeah, 744 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:39.000 is ravaging the place. It's it's like a surprisingly politically progressive show, 745 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.639 even for like nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and it's a kind of thing 746 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.639 where we've discussed this with a previous guest but I feel like it introduced politics 747 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.920 to a whole generation of viewers. All these kids were just like, what's 748 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.880 politics? And you watch the Simpsons like, Oh, I think they sort 749 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.039 of instilled the idea of politics in your mind from a young age. It's 750 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:00.880 actually kind of depressing when you watch Simpsons episodes now and like there's so much 751 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.960 more invested in their community than we are now. It's like, would you, 752 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.880 at the drop of a hat, would you go down to the like 753 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.840 the city hall or the church to have like a town meeting that you get 754 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.920 riled about. Like every other Simpsons episode they're showing up for like PTA meetings, 755 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.840 they're out of you know, they're out of they're at the mayor's talk 756 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.320 back, they're at at the church, like it's uh, they're pretty cypically 757 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.360 minded in that show in a way that I'm envious of. Well, it 758 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.760 came along at a really interesting time in the American society though, because I 759 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.920 mean, we tend to think of the nineteen seventies is really sort of cynical 760 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.280 and grimy era. Then of course Reagan comes along at the start of the 761 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.880 eighties. It's a new don't you day in America? And I think by 762 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.760 the tail end of the eighties, people are starting to think, wait a 763 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.960 minute, I think we might have got sold a bill of goods here. 764 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.239 I think they're richer getting richer, and we're getting fucked. So in the 765 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.719 Simpsons sort of walks the line of both of those. It's like, hey, 766 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.280 things are prosperos, things are pretty good, but I think all our 767 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.840 institutions might be kind of corrupted out for themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's 768 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.840 a great take. It's that post Soviet Union in nineties America of like, 769 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.840 Okay, the war is over, what are we now without an enemy? 770 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:12.039 And turns it out not much, turns out like unless we got another you 771 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.599 know one, thank God for nine to eleven. Dear God, thank you. 772 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.199 We need it. We need it. Yeah, Like, but I 773 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.119 think that time period, I'm kind of working on something about that. I 774 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.480 think that Clinton era, you know, when I was a kid too, 775 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.119 Like when the Monica Lewinsky scandal, at least in America, you know, 776 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.679 we're so puritanical, like that shut down the country, Like that was such 777 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.000 a like big deal and uh, you know, clearly not a good thing, 778 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.800 but also it's like it was that enough to shut down the world but 779 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.679 like that seems to be like the innocence lost of the nineties is like when 780 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.440 uh, when the Bill Clinton thing. At least for me, I remember 781 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.559 being like seven or eight and being like, wait, I think America's got 782 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.840 problems. We got a well that It's My favorite line in this episode is 783 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.719 Maud to the in saying I'd like you to forgive me for the right thing. 784 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.599 Yeah, that's great. Oh yeah, and the public schools. I 785 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.519 love that about the Simpsons. They've they've been at head of the curve and 786 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.320 like, our schools are terrible. They are not funded. They have to 787 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:15.519 beg for scraps. Like oh that was another thing. I'm like from day 788 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.360 one, they've had America on a social level pretty well, pretty well tracked 789 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.119 any more. Brain Busters. Now, we have a little game we'd have 790 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.800 to play here at four Finger Discount, Jeff, where it's called the Blockbuster 791 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.079 Brainbuster, where we go back to the visual air date of this episode and 792 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.519 I pitched I tell a guy the date, and you've got to try and 793 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.239 guess what were the top three films at the US box office for that day 794 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.440 for that week. I give you a clue for each I'll give you guys, 795 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.079 the clues and let's see if you can come up with it. Right. 796 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.559 So the number one movie, the clue is Wet, the clue for 797 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.280 number two is Party Pooper, and the clue for number three is Quantumnia. 798 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.440 Yeah, okay, Wet. I'm going to say, like Free Willie. 799 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:58.239 No. Well, if we're talking ninety one, yeah, so we're talking 800 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.000 a bit of bleed over from nineteen ninety. So what was big at the 801 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:06.000 end of nineteen ninety January ten ninety one is when it ends flash. Now 802 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.760 that's eighties, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's Home Alone with the 803 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.119 Wet Bandits. It's Home Alone with the Wet Bandits. Yes, oh, 804 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.639 oh, okay, I went too far into the water. They're pretty loose 805 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.400 to Clusia, I must have been when he went. I'm like I was 806 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.000 thinking base againstinct. Number Number two is a Schwartznaker film. What's it called? 807 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.519 Or what was the hint? Oh? The hint was party Pooper. 808 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.719 Don't be a party pooper, Kindergarten cup well done? Yes, Number two 809 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.719 with Kindergarten cop and number three think of what was Quantumnia in a series brilogy? 810 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.199 Yeah? Third one? Oh, it's a beauty. Oh, it's 811 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.519 an epic of the heart. It's a you know, to treat us on 812 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.280 modern day America, what do we say? Uh, a classica have its 813 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.400 to It's god Father three, right, it's the god Father three? Correct, 814 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.000 guy? Yes? Oh god Oh I didn't get that god Father three. 815 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:54.840 Oh yeah. Yeah, so that is like some mania. Yeah, 816 00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:01.199 the guy he initially misunderstood but now lovingly embraced third installation of a classic saga. 817 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:06.119 Yes, I will also missed a couple of hit. It also stars 818 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.639 a young teenage daughter. Yeah, it's got all of it. Yeah, 819 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.760 you do you honestly, I feel like, and we've discussed this as well, 820 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.360 where you know, a film that was poorly received in the nineties, 821 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.719 it's almost like we're always looking back down and going you know, at the 822 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.400 time I didn't like it, but on palm reflection, it was actually pretty 823 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.320 great. It's happening more and more often now. Oh yeah, yeah, 824 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:30.159 I uh, it's actually kind of interesting. Like any I'm not saying that, 825 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.800 I'm not saying that Kuantamania is like Dylan going electric or anything, but 826 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:39.079 like, um yeah, like also, people are idiots and people are just 827 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.760 like no one knows what's going on. We just need some sense of certainty 828 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:45.960 and he needs someone to feel like they know what they're talking about. But 829 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.000 yeah, half these movie reviews don't mean anything and they don't believe it and 830 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.199 they don't buy it. So like, I don't know, But I also 831 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.480 love movie critics, Like I grew up with Roger Ebert, the American film 832 00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.239 critic, and like I would race home to watch his show, and like 833 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.199 good film critics. I mean, yeah, they really open up the world 834 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:05.840 of movies to you. But at the same time, hey, who cares, 835 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:07.079 Like just watch it, see if you like it or not, watch 836 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.400 it with your cousins, see if you laughs, or like the likes the 837 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.559 holes guy, Like I think, especially these types of movies, Like I 838 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.119 wrote it, I wrote it for like again from that super small town. 839 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:21.840 We didn't even have a movie theater. Like we would drive to church on 840 00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.000 the weekends, and if it was like a good weekend, we could go 841 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.360 see a movie after church. And it was always just a dumb movie that 842 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.920 no one really wanted to see. It's like we all compromised on it, 843 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.599 you know, or like whenever is that action comedy whatever? But there was 844 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.440 a joy to that and I love that feeling of like watching a movie with 845 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.559 your cousins or your brother and like kind of a movie you all agreed on. 846 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.639 And I kind of wanted to write Quantumania like that. I'm like, 847 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.280 I want to write one of those like fun movies you can go see with 848 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:50.719 like your high school friends or your middle school friends, and like it doesn't 849 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:52.360 have to be you know, it doesn't have to be Andre rube Lev or 850 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.920 something or Solaris, but like you can make like a fun cheeseburger. I 851 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.920 think that's the that's the route. That's the best type of comic book movie. 852 00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:02.760 I think, persolutely. Look some of my fondest movie owing memories, 853 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.960 you know, from in my twenties or my lighteens or whatever. I mean, 854 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.079 tang in Cash. It's a piece of shit. But I saw it 855 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:13.719 with a group of friends at the cinema, you know, one night, 856 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.400 and I don't know, we maybe had a burea or two beforehand, but 857 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.880 yeah, we just had an absolute blast with it. I went to revisit 858 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.079 a little while ago. I was like, du was all that good? 859 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.760 But you know, my memories of it and that of that particular screen, 860 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.760 you're like, oh man, that's such a blast with it. History will 861 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.719 redeem Quantumania, Yes, I will stick. No, But I remember I 862 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.079 was once again my second nine to eleven Records of the Night. I was 863 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.199 like right after the nine to eleven and like the you know, the whole 864 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.079 world is, you know, confused and full of tragedy. And we went 865 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.159 to go see the movie rat Race, and I've never laughed. Loved that 866 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.840 movie when I was growing up, loved It's so good. It's so stupid, 867 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.840 it's so fun. Yeah. Each character is goofy and big and broad. 868 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.079 I yeah, no, I still. I mean that is probably punch 869 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.239 for punch, the most emotion I've had in a movie theater, just uproariously 870 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:06.639 laughing at Race, like that's the way to do it. Rights is one 871 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.320 of those movies where I didn't expect. I don't really know what I was 872 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.320 going into, and then it just it's just so fun. There's so many 873 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.599 stars in that movie just catches you off. God, that's my favorite type 874 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.039 of Yeah. I mean, they just stacked that. It's so good. 875 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.239 Yeah. Do you think the response to quantum Mania has it did an impact 876 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:29.400 in any way your work with the upcoming Avengers film, Like when it comes 877 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.239 to writing. Did it change your mindset of a few things but you sort 878 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:36.760 of second guest certain elements. Yeah, I mean yes and no, like 879 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.039 without getting into too many details, Like we got basically the idea and it's 880 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:43.800 not going to affect all too much. But I mean, of course, 881 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.360 if you're a writer, you want to see how your work is received. 882 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.679 You want to see what people like, what they didn't get, what you 883 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.599 could do better. That's all you know. Writing is eternal homework and research, 884 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.519 and especially if you're neurotic, like you said, I'm the same way, 885 00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.800 like you want to read everything and learn everything. You want everyone to 886 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.199 love view. But no, I think we had a pretty good idea going 887 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.280 in and I don't think it's going to deviate too much. I don't know, 888 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.800 these things can change all the time. But I was talking with Peyton 889 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.760 about this the other day, Like if quantum Mania had been like a nightmare 890 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.079 and we all hated each other and you know, it was some you know, 891 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.599 disaster from the beginning, then maybe I would feel bad about it. 892 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.119 But no, I actually had a great time work with good people and like 893 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.599 we still like the movie, and so like, I don't know, I 894 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:31.920 think other people got to catch up. I kind of dig it. I 895 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:36.320 love that Modoca death scene. That's like my favorite thing I've ever written. 896 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:43.920 Like, I love that he's such a loser and he's so he's so needy 897 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.920 and he needs to be appreciated by these people and they just have to lie 898 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.079 to him and let him on the Avengers and I don't know, like I 899 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.639 think there's stuff in that movie to love. So it didn't Effectivengers too much, 900 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.840 but you know, you try to just be a better writer as you 901 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.599 go forward. Well, Disney now owned the Simpsons, Would you have a 902 00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.719 one to Penna Simpsons episode? Oh? Man, I would love to. 903 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:06.960 I actually did write at Jimmy Kimmel. We had a little Simpsons crossover and 904 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.320 so I did. I got I mean, it's just a small, little 905 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.760 like sketch, but I got to write Homer and I cried in my car 906 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.039 like he um. I did not it like hit me on a religious level, 907 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.039 like in my in my heart like it. I did not expect it, 908 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.360 Like you know, you you go and you hear the recording and it's 909 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.320 you know, it's damn castle Amita sane lines that you wrote that maybe more 910 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.360 so than anyone I've ever written for, Like that got me and like I 911 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.159 didn't expect it. I cried in my car, like I was like shaking. 912 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.079 So man, I would love to write a full Simpsons episode that Uh 913 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:46.119 who would I love? I love Skinner and Moe, I love a Pooh. 914 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.679 I don't know what I would do, um man off to think about 915 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.880 it, I mean Burns. I would would be like a story that incorporates 916 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:57.079 the town, like a monorail kind of episode, or do you think it 917 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.639 more more more? Sort of a tone down. I love a town episode. 918 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:05.000 I also love a good Lisa episode when they get those in there, 919 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.599 those can be so emotional, like which I didn't appreciate as a kid. 920 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.480 I didn't love the lasers get older. I'm a father of a daughter. 921 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.440 I'm just like, oh my god, they said, you said it's so 922 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.480 emotional. When you're a kid, it's all about Homer and Bart, and 923 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.039 then when you grow up it's about Lisa and Marge. And you're like, 924 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.760 oh, man, did you realize Lisa? Yeah, yeah yeah. If 925 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:28.800 I or you turn into Marge too, your life is left you you Marge. 926 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.519 I would man if I could crack a Marge Lisa episode those are rare, 927 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.840 that'd be fun. Um, I don't know. I mean that's the 928 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.400 beauty of the show. It's almost like Marvel comics, like there are so 929 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:44.360 many good characters. All you have to do is like hit it and show 930 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.079 each one. Like I love Lenny, like my favorite. I love just 931 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:51.079 the running narrative of Lenny. If like you can't quite pin down is he 932 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.559 a war hero? He lives in a in a house where nothing else is 933 00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.719 there. But then I'm going these eyes, Yeah, I love Lenny. 934 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.800 Like that's a perfect character. He's only spoke, you know, he speaks 935 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.840 maybe ten lines, maybe in an episode in a season. He's just perfect. 936 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.159 Yeah. Lenny's just one of those characters where you think, who which, 937 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.960 who would want to who would you want to be your friend? From 938 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.960 Springfield? So many people just say Lenny, Oh yeah, of course he's 939 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.719 Oh and there's that one episode I forget where it was from. It it 940 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.039 was like mid mid you know, the teens or something. But like Homer 941 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.360 uses a dumb lie to get out and go bowling. He's like, oh, 942 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.719 yeah, something's wrong with Lenny. We gotta go not Lenny, like 943 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:36.039 not Lenny. To my knowledge, they've never even met each other. It's 944 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.599 so good. I mean, it's a beautiful show. I would love to 945 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:44.000 write for it. I'm thinking if you could do like a Margin Lisa road 946 00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.360 trip story in the vein of like Lady Bird, you know that movie Lady 947 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:52.440 Visiting Colleges or something. I think that would be fantastic. Oh yeah, 948 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.960 that is really good. Yeah, a good Margin Lisa episode that that would 949 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.719 tug at the heart strings. And yet I also came back around on Bart 950 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.719 because obviously you can love Bart as a kid, but like the sportsfielder, 951 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.719 Bart Simpson is like just a little rascal, like scamp. He's got like 952 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.199 very like turn of the century American nannerisms, Art Brothers stuff. Yeah, 953 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.960 I really like him. Yeah yeah. The original air day of Barkeets Hit 954 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.800 by a Car was January tenth, nineteen ninety one. It was written by 955 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.639 John Swatswelder and directed by Mark Kirkland. The chopball gag I will not sell 956 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.159 school property, and the cash gag sees Homer bump everybody off the couch. 957 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.400 Basically the episode kicks off of BArch just skateboarding down the street, and I 958 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.960 thought it was interesting. It had the caption the title of the episode, 959 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.440 and he ever does that with this episode and the Telltale Head where he steals 960 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.760 the head of Jebedi Stach Jebedi Springfield in the in the first season, they 961 00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.239 never do this. I don't know. Would you do you think? Do 962 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.519 you think it adds to the episode? Do you think they did as just 963 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.840 like a visual gag of like here's the title and then immediately bargets but that 964 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.760 could actually we can have actually seen it that way. Yeah, I was 965 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.840 wondering about that. Did they Did they not do that for like season one 966 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:59.360 episodes at all? Just the Telltale Head that's the only one. Yeah, 967 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.360 I am. I think the boy's hurt. Oh for crying out loud. 968 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:13.000 Just give him a nicola. Let's get going. I think we should call 969 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:17.800 an ambulance, sir dude. I just love the attitude mister Burns, just 970 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.119 like move on in the way that switches with the story later on. But 971 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.639 then we get the Escalator to Heaven. This is the phil Hoptman's actually doing 972 01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:29.480 the voice of the escalator man here. And then we get a first little 973 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.800 insight here in Snowball Snowball one with it with the tire marks over and things 974 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.280 like that. What do you think of the devil and the Devil's great. 975 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.559 Oh what I noticed it was like the hieronymous Bosh painting. Yes, well, 976 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:42.360 and that actually impressed me because I'm like, wait, this is like 977 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.000 nineteen ninety one, this is kind of pre internet. No one has any 978 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.960 idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had to actually know what that 979 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.880 was to reference it. And then like I love the thing about the Simpsons 980 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.760 and also like X Men especially or comic books, they will reference thing that 981 01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.000 if you're you're they will reference things that as a child you don't know what 982 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.639 they are, but you know it's something. It's like it's a bigger mystery 983 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.519 out there. Like someone will quote I was such an idiot. There's a 984 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.800 line that Magnetos said in this X Men cartoon. I thought it was just 985 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.800 a Magneto quote. It turns out of Shakespeare like in the year later. 986 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:21.599 I'm like, oh, okay, it's like hyperlinks before the Internet was invented, 987 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.519 and mean, you know, and if you're lucky, you sort of 988 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.880 you read an article, you get clued in by someone who's a bit more 989 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.639 savy than it was, like, you know, the referencing Citizen Kane with 990 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.519 that angle there, like which it is in kine, but then you discover 991 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.079 a citizen gain and you will expand it just a little bit. Yeah, 992 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.239 yeah, yeah, it's fantastic when I throw in Easter eggs before even the 993 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.360 tone of Easter eggs, I think, and I think it's almost like a 994 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.320 almost like a like a duty or a responsibility. Like I felt that way 995 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:52.159 of like because I was that kid. So it's like in whatever you would 996 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.880 call these quote unquote like lower forms of art or pop art or whatever you 997 01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.679 want to call it, Like, it is really cool when they can kind 998 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.039 of crack the window a little bit and give you, if you're a kid, 999 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:06.559 kind of a window into maybe a deeper literature, you know whatever, 1000 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.119 Like it shows you a world beyond just the comic book that you got. 1001 01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.159 I think that's one of the best uses of them. It's thought that took 1002 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.400 it upon themselves. It's our job to educate the youth of America on pop 1003 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.199 culture references that they're not gonna understand anywhere else. Yeah, and then even 1004 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.920 not Yeah, it's like but also it's like also it can just work as 1005 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:27.920 a cool, groovy image, you know, Like it doesn't it's making a 1006 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:30.519 point of it. It just has it there in the Tapestry of America. 1007 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.880 It's cool. It's funny because the visual actually looks like it's almost the design 1008 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.400 of trou McClure the way they drew it. So we'll not it's about to 1009 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:45.280 be true mccluaugh. He wasn't even a part Simpson, who the hell are 1010 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:51.760 you? Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm not that all, and 1011 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.920 you've earned eternal damn nation for your lifetime of evil deeds. Bart spitting off 1012 01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:01.719 the escalator just clenched it. Hey, I'm innocent, man, innocent. 1013 01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:08.960 Everybody's innocent. Okay, let's just pull up your file here because okay, 1014 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.079 it seems to be a mistake. According to this, you're not due to 1015 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.639 arrive here until the next time the Yankees win the pennant. That's nearly a 1016 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.239 century from now. Boys, my face, Red Bart bart Um say, 1017 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.519 is there anything I can do to avoid coming back here? Oh? Sure, 1018 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.920 yeah, but now you wouldn't like it. Okay, see you later 1019 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:34.800 then goodbye, Bart. Remember why jee steel and listen to heavy Man on 1020 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.480 me. It was that Yester. So we got the hommer at the power 1021 01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:39.519 plant here, and he's saying, you know, if I wasn't spineless. 1022 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:42.679 I'd marchinton burns his office. Did you have a moment like that, Jeff, 1023 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.280 where You're like, damn it, this joke is good. I'm not 1024 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:46.519 gonna let him take it out. I'm gonna march in there. But you 1025 01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.320 just you just didn't quite have the guss to do it, Like did you 1026 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.960 have have a joke? Oh, yeah, every day. Yeah, I'm 1027 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:58.679 very I'm very good at being a spineless worm goes along with it. No, 1028 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.880 I think that was actually good training at like the I was at the 1029 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.039 Onion for a bit and then Jimmy Kimmel to where like are you know, 1030 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:08.360 you want to fight for the stuff that you like and you want to make 1031 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.840 it good and you want to get it all the way there. But even 1032 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.360 if you lose, it's like, all right, we'll do another show tomorrow, 1033 01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.280 like you gotta it. Almost There is that thing with a writer, 1034 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.679 like you can get a little precious about your work, like I found, 1035 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:25.760 especially with like comedy writer friends and myself, if you have like one pilot 1036 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.440 that you've written and that's the one you're putting all your chips on, you 1037 01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.760 get really defensive about it. Or if like someone gives you notes and is 1038 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.559 well, like yeah, but you know, man, it's a show about 1039 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:38.360 roommates. Maybe you can add a little bit, well, but are you're 1040 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:41.440 talking about like you get a little defensive if you've just got your one little 1041 01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:45.360 baby, whereas it's good to kind of diversify. And that that was good 1042 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:49.039 at Kimmel, Like it allowed me to realize that, like, maybe the 1043 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:53.920 right form of this joke isn't there yet, Maybe there's another permutation of the 1044 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:58.239 joke, Maybe there's another version of it, like modocs. Certainly that was 1045 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.360 yeah, that's a good example of it of like stand up for the idea, 1046 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:04.000 but then also realize that, like, hey, something isn't quite translating 1047 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.760 here and like okay, how do we how do we bridge that gap? 1048 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:12.239 So that was maybe like the third or fourth narrative attempt at getting that character 1049 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.800 right. Um So, I don't know. I've certainly buried my pride a 1050 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.440 lot and taking the lumps, but I don't know. You gotta choose your 1051 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:23.000 battles. I think that's just the maturity that comes with experience, really, 1052 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.000 isn't it. I don't know, or just dead in the soul? Are 1053 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:34.280 you losing? What's the point yeah, now we'll get a real doctor's opinion. 1054 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:43.039 But no, your son is a very sick boy. Just look at 1055 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:48.199 the X rays. You see that duck spot there we blush Welsh. Oh 1056 01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:54.639 no, and this smige here that looks like my fingerprint. No, that's 1057 01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:03.239 trauma. Am I gonna die? Homer? No, of course you're not 1058 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:08.920 going to tie. Everything's fine. Well, I ever played baseball again, 1059 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.639 but I played baseball this morning. That's right. He did. Excuse me, 1060 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:19.280 but doctor Hibbert has been our family physician for years and he thought bar 1061 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:26.519 was fine. No, doctor Hibbert Jenkins medical too. Without due respect, 1062 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.199 Missus Simpson, you're not a doctor. The boy's not a doctor. I'm 1063 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.840 not a doctor. The only person in this room who even comes close is 1064 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:38.639 this man. Stop you're embassing me. Doctor. Are you sure there isn't 1065 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:43.840 a little soft tissue trauma in the facial area? Oh yeah, tons of 1066 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.480 it. Just so well, doctor Nick making his first appearance here. As 1067 01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:50.119 I said, like doctor Nick, I never really put him with one on 1068 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:55.360 hospital. They're just other perfect pair, aren't they working in Unison? Yeah? 1069 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:57.920 Yeah, I always associated with him like he had a TV show, 1070 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.679 right, like hi, doctor Nick, Like he's usually on the able access 1071 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.239 on Feels Unlock one of those true McClure shows once you know, Hi, 1072 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:08.559 I'm Trum McClure. One of those kind of shows facial if he's an infamocial 1073 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.480 guy inmcial. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. But what are 1074 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:15.320 your thoughts on the Doctor Nick character? Oh? Uh, you know that's 1075 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:16.800 when I don't have too many thoughts about it. I don't know, like 1076 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:23.159 he's he was never never really my favorite. There's a few side characters that 1077 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.599 I, oh, I know, I don't really care for doctor Nick, 1078 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.199 and I don't really care for Professor Frank. He never really does it, 1079 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.039 Okay, yeah, yeah, for some reason, I know they're doing like 1080 01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:38.559 a nutty professor like old like Jerry Lewis thing, but like, yeah, 1081 01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.159 Frank never does it for me, and neither does Nick. Really like. 1082 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.760 I guess I like Nick a little bit better because he can have more medical 1083 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.079 jokes or things like that. But I will say I think Frank is my 1084 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:51.360 least favorite character. The God's last favorite character is Grandskapa. Willie just does 1085 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.920 not like him. Oh interesting and fair enough, fair enough. I think 1086 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.840 he's got he's got some good stuff in there, but I can see what 1087 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:04.599 you're saying. Yeah, right in here, mister Simpson, and he calls. 1088 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:10.880 Della calls, Oh, calls, Yes, the Supreme Court called again. 1089 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.679 They need your help on some freedom thing. Tell them to sit tight. 1090 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.760 I'll get back to them this way. Mister Simpson, you sure have 1091 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.920 cut some education. Mister Hutch, Yes, Harvard, Yale, MT. 1092 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:30.520 Oxford, the saber on the lubra. Oh oh well, mister Simpson. 1093 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.920 The state bar forbids me from promising you a big cash settlement. But just 1094 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:41.960 between you and me, I promise you a big cash settlement. My fee 1095 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.199 is fifty percent. You'll be getting more than just a lawyer, mister Simpson. 1096 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.920 You'll also be getting this exquisite faux pearl necklace, a ninety nine dollars 1097 01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:56.560 value, as our gift to you. Well, I don't know, you 1098 01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:00.600 and I might have different ideas about just how big a big cash gentleman is 1099 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:06.159 a million dollars? Who I can't correct it a million bucks? Hey, 1100 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:11.800 Okay, I just loved the Della the secretary and the way huts is just 1101 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.920 sort of he convinces these people to walk through the door that he's a legitimate 1102 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.399 lawyer, when really he's not good at all. I mean that's a lovely 1103 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.640 little shout out as well. If we're talking little easter eggs, I mean 1104 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.479 the fact that she's named Della. I mean Perry Mason, the famous TV 1105 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:28.439 lawyer. His secretary slash girl Friday was was dellast really so it's um, 1106 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.560 Oh didn't know that. I've never seen Perry Mason. I gotta get on 1107 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:33.319 that. And the voice of her was, um, lunch lady Doris, 1108 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:39.760 Doris Graw. I can see that. Yeah, I'm ying in those huts. 1109 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:44.000 Who are your favorite voices on The Simpsons, Jeff Oh, I mean 1110 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:47.840 I think mister Burns is fantastic mo of course, like so Azaria Shearer, 1111 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:53.760 Um Herbapple, I always liked Herbapple. I think she's got a great voice 1112 01:09:53.880 --> 01:10:00.199 and always Bart the lover before choosing this episode, I mean Mark, I 1113 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.760 mean again, yeah, I guess he can I say, Homer like the 1114 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:09.119 the like the sophistication, the delivery. I mean, how yea seven hundred 1115 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.680 and fifty episodes each one he knocks it out of the park like it is. 1116 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.319 Oh. And also Lisa, I mean like she's Lisa's got a lot 1117 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.000 of emotion in her voice and a lot a lot of range, and like 1118 01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:24.760 the way Yard Lisa does that, I'm choosing pretty pretty obvious ones. Oh 1119 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.079 yeah, you know, I don't. I guess Frank comic book guy doesn't 1120 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.359 quite do it for him. He's fine, but like, I don't really 1121 01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:39.600 care. H I love the smaller side characters, like the sarcastic business guy 1122 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:45.119 who's always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's my guys. My 1123 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:53.199 man's character must be the ladies. I don't know. I mean, there's 1124 01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:57.319 just so many. It really is like a beautiful show. I liked um. 1125 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:03.800 John Lovitts is like the ater director of the Streetcar named Desire episode well 1126 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:10.439 and clip plus Professor Lombardo Yeah yeah, Jacques like the French Ball apparently he 1127 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.119 came back and a yeah. And there's a lot of outrage because speaking of 1128 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:17.920 Cannon earlier that there's there's a clip show where Marge tells Homer about that story 1129 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.279 because it's like a love story clip show, right, I go back to 1130 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:25.239 that story and Homer's annoyed by it. But in this one, Homer didn't 1131 01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:27.479 know about and everyone's like, oh, but she's already revealed it, No, 1132 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:29.720 twenty seven years ago, how does he not know it now? And 1133 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:31.600 everyone's like, it's like, just relax, It's just she had. Also, 1134 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:36.279 Homer has been to space and then the Barbershope in the eighties. Apparently 1135 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:40.560 he also went to high school in the nineteen seventies and the nineteen nineties. 1136 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.880 Yeah, the show has a lot of ret kinning. So take off that 1137 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.399 genius at work T shirt, sir, and just you know, enjoy the 1138 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:54.439 show. Springfield Municiable Court is now in session. Judge Malton Presiety Urana. 1139 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:58.520 My client has instructed me to remind the court how rich an important he is, 1140 01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:00.439 that he is not like other men. I should be able to run 1141 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:09.199 over as many kids as I want. Mister Burns, I must warn you 1142 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.520 that if you continue to disrupt the court in this way, I will have 1143 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.880 to site you for contempt. You well, no, I guess I wouldn't 1144 01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:27.319 calling Barthami J. Simpson to the stand. Oh please, hello, Bart, 1145 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.960 Now you know the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie, 1146 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:39.479 don't your son? Maybe? Well, you wouldn't lie to the United States, 1147 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:45.079 would you? Bart? Oh? No, good, proceed, mister 1148 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:46.760 Huts. I should be able to run over as many kids as I want. 1149 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:53.199 Thought about that joke that got me It's like, that's how he starts 1150 01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:57.000 the that's how Court starts. Yeah, it just lives in this bubble away 1151 01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.279 and rules to stand applot to me. Also, like Burns mentions Ogre a 1152 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.119 lot. He always mentions you don't want to be an He did in this 1153 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:06.439 episode, and I think there's another one where he doesn't, like, I'm 1154 01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.680 not an Ogre. I just want to bash your bones from to make my 1155 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:15.800 super or something like that. I really enjoyed the animation of both the stories 1156 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.000 really, in particular bats one were talking about the luxury car of death that's 1157 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:20.840 coming to getting But you can just tell that the director and the animals just 1158 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:26.119 had an absolute ball making those stories. Yeah, that's always fun even Yeah, 1159 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:28.920 like the Rick and Morty side of it, like you have kind of 1160 01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.039 like your your house style of like, hey, you know how the episode 1161 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.680 looks, but then every once in a while you kind of get you get 1162 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.880 to go into like a magical realism or a fantasy or something like that, 1163 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:42.079 and you get to kind of play around Simpson's probably, I mean Probace started 1164 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.560 that. I don't know, maybe maybe Looney Tunes did back in the day, 1165 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:48.319 but like anytime they do a little like Homer dream sequence or You're inside 1166 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:51.720 of a brain or something like. That's where some of the best jokes come 1167 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:55.520 from. I didn't enjoy as well when Burns was yelling at lays or. 1168 01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.520 By the way, this is the first appearance also of the blue Head Lawyer. 1169 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.159 Oh, I do like that guy. He's always fun. Yea. 1170 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:04.439 Yeah. Now he's based on Roy Kone or something roy kone. Yeah, 1171 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:12.399 it's um an evil, evil person. He was lawyer for Senator Joe McCarthy 1172 01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.319 back during the Blacklist era. Oh wow, I think he might have been 1173 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:19.159 the mentor of this guy Roger Stone, who's like an advisor to Nixon through 1174 01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:26.560 Trump. Yeah, basically just yeah, he's Satan essentially, But yeah, 1175 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.520 the blue Head lawyers are much nicer those. I'm a big fan of Blue 1176 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:30.920 Heir lawyer guy. Yeah, he's always good. Now, I know you're 1177 01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.199 shot on time and Jeff, so we'll just we'll just get towards the end 1178 01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:36.800 here. So basically, yeah, so the Marge, she speaks the truth. 1179 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:40.359 I did love when they're in mister Burns's mansion, this little little peep 1180 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.239 holes through through the painting things like that. But I'm just the way to 1181 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.319 sort of shuns about. But this released the hounds, like he knows he's 1182 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.520 one. Great. That was a great shot that that. I don't know 1183 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.680 why it reminded me of a hitchcock, but just that really sort of high 1184 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:55.680 angle shot of them running across the lawn, you know, with the with 1185 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.000 the with the hound chasing, felt like something out of north By Northwest or 1186 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.239 whatever. Something I really dog just pride of that though. It was burns 1187 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.039 Max's offer of half a mill. He's crossed out a mill, rots half 1188 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:09.960 a mill, and then puts a little smiley face. He's been your wife 1189 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:14.319 for ten years, You've had three children together. It's time to be honest 1190 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.880 with her. I'm not sure I love you anymore, but don't worry. 1191 01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:21.560 I'll never let on. I'll still do all the bed stuff. Maybe you 1192 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:26.720 won't be so bad. Oh my lord, Well, I don't want to 1193 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.159 wait another minute to find out whether you love me anymore. I think that 1194 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:35.600 you should look me in the eyes and find out. No, Homer, 1195 01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:41.239 look at me, all right, all right, look at her if it'll 1196 01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.560 shut her up, start with the feet still angry. Good, good, 1197 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:48.399 Homer, good, This is a tough neat refreshment. Good old trustworthy beer. 1198 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.319 My love for you will never die. All right, all right, 1199 01:15:51.520 --> 01:16:01.279 gotta look at the wife straight in the eyes and tell her, oh my 1200 01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:06.760 kidding, I love you more than ever. I love you, Choder to 1201 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:14.920 scare you like that, baby, Okay, everybody for the age fifteen minutes, 1202 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:21.920 one dirt off on every picture, one podcast in my domestic beer only 1203 01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:28.960 I ain't no sharing more. Yeah. So the ending here, it was 1204 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.840 just like we said, it just seemed to just come out of nowhere, 1205 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:31.640 this little element. Didn't it of just that? Like you said, it 1206 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:33.960 felt like they sort of run out of time. Maybe, but I find 1207 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:38.000 it I find it hard to believe that Schwartzwater would have found it hard to 1208 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:42.199 fill out twenty two minutes. It feels like I feel like he wanted this 1209 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.680 in there. But maybe do you think it maybe need a little bit more 1210 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.000 time to have more effect. I still think it had enough emotion. But 1211 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:48.960 oh, I think it certainly had emotion. You know, I don't know 1212 01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:53.600 any far be it from me to credit John schwartz Felds like the best Simpsons 1213 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.760 writer there ever was. You know, It's like, I'm not the episode 1214 01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:59.680 of I wrote the Slut Dragons, episode of Rick and Morty. I don't 1215 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.359 know, Penny, but like it. I guess if I'm looking at as 1216 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:05.760 like a TV writer perspective, it's like, yeah, Homer's is the main 1217 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.920 character. It's like he hasn't had much of an arc yet, So maybe 1218 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:12.960 you need to have a bit of a consequence and then you need to like 1219 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.359 you need him in Marche to have like a reconciliation over their differing views in 1220 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.439 the episode of like she wants to tell the truth, he'd going down the 1221 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:25.159 sleazy wrote route. You need to have almost like the outcome of that. 1222 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.520 It does feel a little heavy or a little like the same time, if 1223 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.000 he's just disappointed, you only have about two episodes, two minutes to go. 1224 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.319 So maybe he did go in strong because they have such a great episode. 1225 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:42.520 They had the you know, Barton Hell and all that stuff. It's 1226 01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.479 like there's a lot of episode, a lot of dream sequences, there's a 1227 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.920 lot of stuff. And so maybe that he made the choice to hit him 1228 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.079 hard at the end and then you can have kind of a big emotion and 1229 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:56.640 then a big reconciliation. Whereas maybe in another episode that would have happened around 1230 01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.520 you know, the midpoint, that would have been apt too that Homer is 1231 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.439 disappointed in margin doesn't know if he loves it or not. But this had 1232 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:05.880 to come in with like two minutes to spare. That's say I've been closing 1233 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:09.560 on a line like well, not closing on it, but having a line 1234 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.920 with two minutes ago and saying I'm not sure I love you anymore. It's 1235 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:18.319 like you've got to pull some heavy gymnastics to pull that one back there. 1236 01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:23.000 Yeah, that's pretty heavy, man. I cut March from Slack. Great 1237 01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:25.880 directing though of just the way he's sort of looking up the body off from 1238 01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:27.920 feet, takes a drink and then goes to a face. But um, 1239 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.720 and and it's beautiful when Homer says no, like he's very like he's a 1240 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.439 sad puppy. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now one 1241 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:39.159 final question here is what we ask everybody. So it's nineteen ninety eight, 1242 01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:42.760 you've been given the task. You're putting together a Friday night Simpsons marathon on 1243 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:46.279 Fox, consisting of five episodes. What are you choosing? Oh, it's 1244 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:49.119 nineteen ninety eight. I kind of forget which one. So that's season one 1245 01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:59.560 to nine? Okay, uh, Flaming Mose Monorail the Bobo episode Dolphins. 1246 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:01.159 No, that's later, Dolphins, isn't nine is? I love the Dolphins 1247 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.720 Treehouse of Horrors. That's one of the greatst sort of like post Golden Ero 1248 01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:06.720 ones, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, I would do the Cane and 1249 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:10.920 Kodos, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole Treehouse. Then that's a great one. 1250 01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.119 You gotta have a chance of horror in the marathon. I feel like, 1251 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:15.119 yeah, oh wonderful. Yeah, of course. And then I would do 1252 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.399 like, um, Hank Scorpio, like the you Only Move twice. Maybe 1253 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:23.520 that that's pretty pretty safe choice another another episode, though at the time people 1254 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:26.199 didn't like it, but now Hank Scorpion is one of the most beloved characters 1255 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.920 of all time and EPs in one episode it was the ant man in the 1256 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:32.800 waist corn of many of its time. Yes, oh, and Bart the 1257 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:35.239 Lover. I would I would put that in there. That's a great well, 1258 01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:36.800 Jeff, Thank you so much for your time, mate. It's been 1259 01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:40.239 an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. And all the best with 1260 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:43.039 Avengers, the Kane Dynasty. Oh yeah, no, guys, just so 1261 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.680 much fun. Oh yeah, maybe I'll see you again down the road. 1262 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:54.479 That would be fantastic, Let's make that happen. Jeers Man, what a 1263 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.039 dude. Hey, I think it's like to say that he is an U 1264 01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.520 BFF and expect him on many more full think it just shows moving forward now, 1265 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:06.600 top dude. Yeah, really funny, very very clearly, very smart 1266 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:11.640 man. Yeah, absolutely no were We were stoked to have him on board 1267 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.000 and big time, Jeff, you'd be more than well, hey, my 1268 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.720 favorite. Now before we go, mister Davis, I feel like maybe just 1269 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.239 sort of skim through the episodes a little key moments just to sort of give 1270 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:24.000 the listeners what they want, because we didn't sort of cover everything of the 1271 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:27.000 episode, like what were your favorites in particular? We sort of discussed that. 1272 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:30.840 But yeah, well, look, of course it's great to hear Phil 1273 01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:34.000 Hartman. Yeah, in various form. Just yeah, that's such such it's 1274 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:36.399 such a big moment for the show. The fact that Phil's now joined. 1275 01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:41.359 He changed the show, changed the show. Yeah. As I said during 1276 01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:45.520 the episode, during the fourth fingered Disco of episode that we've just recorded, 1277 01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:49.479 it's the early phase of the early incarnation of Lionel hearts. He's not bumbling 1278 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:53.760 just yet. He's not quite he hasn't read guils a shyster. He's more 1279 01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:55.800 just yea, yeah, he's just he's just a shyster. He's just an 1280 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.199 ambulance chaser. He's literally chasing an ambulance at some stay, which I think 1281 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:01.479 is fantastic. I did also love it when he's like hears and goes, 1282 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:08.000 oh, just missed. And of course, you know, Hartman just knew 1283 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:11.840 exactly the right amount of must to put onlines like that. That's so great. 1284 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.439 Um, I might be with Jeff and the doctor Nick is kind of 1285 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.840 one note, and you know, sometimes you don't mind hearing that one particular 1286 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:21.800 note, but if you hear it over and over and over again, yeah, 1287 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:26.479 gets a bit. So. I did like though, when you see 1288 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:29.520 his office and he's got his various qualifications on the world. At least one 1289 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:33.760 of them says smooth operator. I think another one might say IBA like female 1290 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:40.359 body inspector. He's just got really shit qualification. Yeah, but we talked 1291 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.479 a bit about the ending, and yeah, it really is an emotional hairpin 1292 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:48.600 turn that I don't know the show absolutely nowhere. Yeah, the show is 1293 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:54.520 well crafted and you know, goodhearted enough to sort of pull out of. 1294 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.680 But yeah, I mean, if that was much, don't He's something like 1295 01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:01.279 dwelling on for why Yeah. Yeah. What I thought was interesting was, 1296 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.359 you know, we're in season seventeen now, and there's so many times lately 1297 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:08.720 where it feels like we're gonna give an emotional ending and it's comes out of 1298 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:11.680 nowhere, like even the one was it last week they see home a Run 1299 01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:15.359 where where Lisa says, you know what, Dad, you tried your best 1300 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:17.479 to change this town and I respect you for it, and it's like he 1301 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:20.720 didn't do anything like it just feels like they're sort of throwing these little emotional 1302 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:23.720 beats in at the end at the end of the episode, like the last 1303 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:27.159 minute or so. Here though I didn't realize that they've been doing it since 1304 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:31.000 season two. It works here now it seems very heavy. But put yourself 1305 01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.119 in Homer's shoes, right, you're about to win five hundred grand, but 1306 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:38.359 like a million dollar case, and your wife as much as your lover, 1307 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.000 you know she's doing the right thing, but she's just cost you half a 1308 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.880 million dollars. Like you can understand why he is, and he doesn't. 1309 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:47.479 He's never angry at her. That's what I liked about. He never yells 1310 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.439 at her. Never puts it down. Even at the dinner, he sort 1311 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:53.720 of says things along the lines of, you know, he's having his inner 1312 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.000 monologue. He's just depressed. Yeah, he's just depressed. He's just like, 1313 01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.439 oh no, I'm never gonna look at you the same way. Like 1314 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.000 it's not like he's angry yet her, He's just he's just he's he doesn't 1315 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.960 know how to feel anymore. Yeah, And I don't think he's even disappointed 1316 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.960 in Marge. I think he's just kind of disappointed it like he had he's 1317 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:12.399 had a little glimpse or little life that you know, he's always wanted, 1318 01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.439 and not just for him, for his family as well. It was just 1319 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.800 then reach and and it's gone. And it's not gone for bad reasons or 1320 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.359 a neptitude or anything like that. Like I said, I mean my favorite 1321 01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:24.920 liners that like you for to give me for doing the right thing. Yeah, 1322 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:28.000 it's not exactly a million bucks, but you know that'll keep your warm 1323 01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:31.279 at not knowing that you know, lived honorably. I really enjoyed Marge swearing 1324 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:36.960 under Earth. She sounded like she was teching out awfully. Seriously. I 1325 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:42.880 think as the episode progressed, as Jeff was mentioning John Swatswater when he writes 1326 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.359 Bart, he writes, like this little rascal. So at the start he 1327 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:46.159 was just kind of like, oh, be fine, But the more it 1328 01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:49.640 went on, he was just like he was enjoying the playing the role of 1329 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:55.600 the sick key year and at the start at tension in that way because at 1330 01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:58.159 the start he is more concerned. He's like, I was playing baseball this 1331 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.119 morning or Whatever's like, I'm okay, And then as you know, the 1332 01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.920 Hut's influence gets sort of like takes over. It is just like can you 1333 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:04.600 roll the eyes in the back of your head? Oh yeah, yeah, 1334 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.479 like this the kids are pro like Bart was in Bart was enjoying it. 1335 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:13.119 Yeah, well you see it later in like the Timo tool. Thankful. 1336 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.800 Yes. Anyway, overall, this is just, yeah, one of those 1337 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.079 episodes that I find out a lot with the season two episodes that I go 1338 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:21.239 back and I don't revisit them anywhere near enough. But you said, if 1339 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:24.479 you said to me, I do want to go watch Bart gets hit by 1340 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:26.199 a car, be like, yeah, I guess. And I watched this 1341 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.159 and I'm like, oh god, this is just great. Like there's just 1342 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:31.239 so many classics in this year. Yeah, for mine, it hasn't quite 1343 01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:34.399 hit top speed or peak performance yet. I don't think it really does that 1344 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:38.359 until season three. But it's really getting there and you can really tell. 1345 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:42.520 It's just it's still working yourself out. But like compared to season seventeen episode, 1346 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.319 Sorry Jeff, I'm doing a frank forever. But thank you guys for 1347 01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:51.600 listening to our chat with with Jeff Lovesness discussing the episode Bart gets hit by 1348 01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.439 a car. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I meant I'm just speaking 1349 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.640 to Jeff. I just that was that. That was great. I'd love 1350 01:24:57.680 --> 01:24:59.600 to have him, Jeff, you're listening, Like guy said, we'd love 1351 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.520 to have you back on the show whenever you would want to, because that 1352 01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:05.159 was absolute delighted. It's like I trying to say to him, you know, 1353 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:08.479 you're just you know, from a small town. You're right for Kim. 1354 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:12.640 Now you're writing an Avengers movie. That's like, does it get any 1355 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:15.640 bigger than writing an Avengers movie? In twenty twenty three, not really knew 1356 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:19.720 when it comes to writing blockbuster films, what is it? What would be 1357 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:25.079 a bigger blockbuster franchise film than an Avengers movie? I can't think of anything 1358 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:28.239 right now. I don't think I'd ever be able to sort of, I'd 1359 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:31.800 be too scared. Like imagine that the nervousness that must come with having so 1360 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.720 much at your fingertips, that that everything's writing on what you Obviously there's going 1361 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:39.800 to be changes here and there, but it's writing on the idea and that 1362 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:42.199 you're putting out there, you know. Like I said, I mean, 1363 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:45.600 you're taking the Lamborghini a for a spin and you really want to let it 1364 01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:47.640 rip, but you're also terrified you might put a dint in it. Yeah, 1365 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:50.960 but it's also having knowing that they've got the faith in you that must 1366 01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:56.760 be in the feeling you must feel knowing that Marvel Studios are putting there and 1367 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.840 they're pushing the chips and on on Jeff lpness. It's like, yeah, 1368 01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:02.079 but you have a chat to the guy and you can understand why. I 1369 01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:04.800 think I think Jeff is good in a room, shall we? Yeah? 1370 01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:08.680 But I think you can also back it up. Yeah, one hundred percent, 1371 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:10.319 of course you can. Yes, But yeah, I hope you guys 1372 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:13.039 enjoyed our chat with Jeff. You're definitely be coming on another episode in the 1373 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.520 near future. Don't forget guys too. Please continue to rate and review us 1374 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.560 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, check us five stars if you're listening that way, 1375 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.039 and don't forget. We are now part of the Spreaker network. We 1376 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:26.199 want to thank our friends at Spreaker for getting us on board, and yes 1377 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:28.960 I'm winding up. We'll hear at four Finger discap follow us on Twitter as 1378 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:32.199 well at four finger pot and at four finger Discame on both Facebook and Instagram. 1379 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.640 Plenty more we call this guy on Springfields to Go the old classic revisiting 1380 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:39.680 episodes, but plenty more of these with many more exciting guests in the near 1381 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.520 future. But this has been barkets hit by a car, mister Davis. 1382 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:46.199 Any final words for those incredible listeners out there. That's believable podcasting.