WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:05.360 Okay, guys, you guys tell you know. This is the John Cast. 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.519 We got Jay Dowell for the first time, guys on my show. 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 He interviewed me a while back when I first got at a fish tank, 4 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:17.719 same thing with a couple of his buddies. Jay is extremely well known in 5 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:23.359 the community of the Christian Warden Orthodox world. Guys like Jay is one of 6 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:26.960 the best people you need to look up to if you're trying to get closer 7 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:31.000 to God or learn more about God in the history, or if you're trying 8 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:36.600 to figure out about Freemasons and gate keepers and all the secret societies, Jay's 9 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.920 the man to do it. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. 10 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.759 That's nice words. I don't think of myself as a that. I just 11 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.679 think of myself as a guy who, you know, talks about fun things 12 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.479 on the Internet that I like, and I joke about stuff, and I 13 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.240 talk about the books I read. So that I don't see myself as like 14 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.079 a religious guide or anything like that. So more like a philosopher on the 15 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.480 internet. Well, you're most definitely a philosophal, that's for sure. Well, 16 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:10.920 what's the most recent book you've read. That's a good question. I'm 17 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.640 reading in two books right now. One of them is a book that I 18 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:18.200 read. I got it right here quite a bit many years ago, and 19 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.680 I never did finish it, so I've gotten back into it to finish it. 20 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.439 It's called Firing the Minds of Men, and it's about the history of 21 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:32.840 revolutionary ideas like communism and socialism. I'm not a communist socialist, but I 22 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:37.760 don't like those views. But this guy wrote the history of those revolutionary movements 23 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:44.280 up until the point of the founding of America and even after that into the 24 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:49.840 Bullship Revolution in Russia. So that's a book that's kind of giving a historian's 25 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:56.760 perspective on the French Revolution and the Bullshric Revolution and so forth. And it's 26 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.480 good to read because he's kind of a defender of it, and I would 27 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:04.799 be somebody who's critiquing it, so I want to know, Like you mentioned 28 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.960 secret societies, like, it's not a conspiracy book. It's just a historians 29 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:13.800 book. But the first several chapters are about the secret societies that influenced the 30 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:21.400 French Revolution and even the American Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution. So so that 31 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:25.800 one's really good. It's really long and heavy, but I'm also reading another 32 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.199 book on church history and the rises of papacy in the Middle Ages, So 33 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.240 that's the last two books I was reading. And then fiction wise, I 34 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:38.840 did The Godfather. We did a whole podcast, actually we did like four 35 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:44.719 podcasts going through the whole book The Godfather, and then now I'm reading Alice 36 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.879 through the Looking Glass, so I'm gonna do analysis of that. That's that's 37 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:54.280 awesome. One reasonally meant to get into social media in the first place, 38 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:04.520 into what social media and making content all this stuff. So back in like 39 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.080 two thousand and seven and eight, I started grad school out of college, 40 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.680 and I thought I wanted to be a professor, and I didn't realize yet. 41 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.680 I mean, I'm starting to realize that the academic system is kind of 42 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:21.639 a scam and they don't really want people who, you know, don't have 43 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:27.400 totally crazy liberal world views. So I realized that I might not fit in 44 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.479 that world. I had some problems with some really awful professors who were super 45 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:36.560 liberal, so I just decided to leave. And it was at the point 46 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.000 when I was in the middle of writing my master's thesis and I just walked 47 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:43.639 out and didn't know what I was going to do. So I worked some 48 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:50.039 kind of wage cut type jobs for a while, and then I decided I 49 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.599 would just try to start writing. I wrote a lot of movie reviews, 50 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.800 ended up writing about what amounts now, it's about six hundred pages worth of 51 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.719 stuff. Oh wow, So I read book because like all of my philosophy 52 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:06.840 essays, but not my movie reviews. So I wrote another eight or nine 53 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:12.199 hundred pages worth of movie reviews and then I turned that into a book in 54 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:16.000 twenty sixteen. From a blog. I just was posting movie reviews every week, 55 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:20.800 and then a publisher reached out after I did some interviews and said you 56 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:25.360 want to do a book. I said yeah. So everything just kind of 57 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:30.319 snowball from there. That was about twenty fifteen sixteen, and I started doing 58 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.519 more podcasts. So I went from blogging to podcasts. This is kind of 59 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.560 the evolution that a lot of people went through in the late two thousands early 60 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:44.160 twenty tens. And then I moved into doing a lot of video and YouTube, 61 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.199 and then more stuff on like you said, social media, So a 62 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:51.560 lot more stuff on Twitter in the last year. But and rock Finn, 63 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:59.879 my sponsor was Rockin I did so yeah, so I just kind of snow 64 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.199 into doing this NonStop full time as my own job, and it turned it 65 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.240 into a job, mad it a business. And then we also expanded into 66 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:13.399 doing other businesses like real estate, so we've got another business. So we 67 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:18.279 have some properties, and I have some other I'm into cryptos, so I've 68 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.600 got three or four things that all of this kind of expanded into out of 69 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.240 just started blogging. Actually, dude, that's that's actually a really cool story. 70 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.560 That's actually phenomenal. Not gonna lie, And I was going to ask 71 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.319 you because I'm for a lot of people, they need to read books for 72 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:40.199 many different reasons. The younger generation they don't read books often. Really, 73 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:45.959 what five best books would you recommend for someone to read or like need to 74 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.959 read to open their advisors a lot more. Yeah, that's a good question. 75 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.199 I mean I would say it kind of if I had to pick one 76 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:59.439 five for everybody, I'll pick those. But then kind of depends on also 77 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:00.720 what you plan to do. Like, you know, if you wanted to 78 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:04.800 let's say you wanted to start a business and that's your goal, there's certain 79 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:10.600 books I would read about, you know, money and goal and currency and 80 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:16.160 investing, right, like the Creature from Jackal Island or Peter Schiff's book on 81 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.920 Basic Money Principles, something like that would just be an introduction to economics. 82 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.800 Maybe even Ian Rand, even though I'm not a huge supporter of Van Rand. 83 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.560 It's good to get an introduction into the ideas of economics and starting your 84 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.120 own business. And a lot of people start with Austrian economics. That's definitely 85 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:39.199 better than socialism. But I don't think Austrian economics has like every answered everything, 86 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:43.959 but so, but I would say just for general knowledge for people, 87 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.720 five books that everybody should should know about. The Bible would be number one 88 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:54.959 that definitely have read the Bible in your life. Number two, I would 89 00:06:55.000 --> 00:07:02.319 say probably something like Lord of the Ring trilogy, or if you're new to 90 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:09.600 reading, maybe something easier like C. S. Lewis's Narnia series. Those 91 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.639 are pretty easy to read. They're written for a young audience, so those 92 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.879 are like Line, The Witch and the Wardrobe or Magician's Nephew. Those would 93 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:24.439 be good introductions to literature because everybody should be familiar with not just like investing 94 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.120 or something that you need to have a well rounded education, so you need 95 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.639 to you need to read some good literature as what I'm trying to say, 96 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.759 right, and then you could work yourself your way up to Dostievsky from that, 97 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.480 Like, you're not going to be able to start out reading Dostievsky if 98 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:40.480 you've never been reading, It's gonna be really difficult. I would say, 99 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.399 you know, in terms of literature, Flannery O'Connor is good. Uh, 100 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.680 Dostievsky is good. It'd probably be good to get, you know, a 101 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:53.720 basic idea of like some of the main Shakespearean plays, that kind of stuff. 102 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.600 But other than that, I mean, it just kind of depends on 103 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.519 like the direction that you want to go. If you want to learn more 104 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.600 about philosophy, I would say you need to read some Aristotle and maybe Plato's 105 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:11.199 Republic or some of the Plato's dialogues. What really got you into reading books 106 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:15.399 and becoming a philosopher, I guess at a young age. Was there something 107 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:20.480 that the key moment that got you on this path? Well, my mom 108 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.959 was a copy editor and a librarian, so I was raised with books in 109 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.399 my whole life, so there was never a point where I mean, I 110 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.440 think I remember the first time I started reading. I read Wrinkle in Time 111 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.799 when I was in I don't know, fourth or fifth grade, and then 112 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.679 I read Lord of the Rings in sixth grade, and so I think I 113 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.799 was pretty much hooked on reading from them. And then I started reading C. 114 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.720 S. Lewis and Narnia, so that was kind of introduction to reading. 115 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.879 And then I later got into more like science fiction type stuff. As 116 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:54.559 I've gotten older, I don't really like a lot of science fiction because it's 117 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:00.600 so kind of cook and soy andy, But a lot of the class fantasy 118 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.279 stuff is not, like Lord of the Rings and C. S. Lewis 119 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.039 is pretty solid. Lewis the Space Trilogy is really good. It's actually a 120 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.960 science fiction story that's based in Red built. The aliens are actually demons, 121 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.679 so so it's pretty good. True, that's true. A lot of people 122 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.919 don't know about that. Yeah, he put that in his uh in his 123 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.799 science fiction, like, you know, fifty sixty years ago, so he 124 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:28.399 was telling the truth back then. So yeah. So I just kind of 125 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:35.840 always grew up around books. And my dad was really technical and like a 126 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.759 craftsman. He was really good at building anything and engineering type of things. 127 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.120 He's not an engineer, but he could like just go build. He built 128 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.840 a car from scratch one time. Oh, Wow, he's like built entire 129 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.759 houses from scratch. I mean, my dad's like a super kind of mechanical 130 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.039 minded. Yeah. And then my mom is much more of a a literary 131 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.679 person. She she edited edited, uh actually science journals for a long time. 132 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.600 So okay, so that's that's my upbringing and that that was a lot 133 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.120 of it. Uh was that? No? No, that's actually phenomenal. 134 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.559 So I've a quick question. Have you seen that commercial that's been going around? 135 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.679 Well, there's a guy in the elevator, it's a mountain duke commercial 136 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.759 and they drink and they start drinking mountain dew and he's look and pants to 137 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.200 a mule and it turns into a reptile and not a human. Have you 138 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.320 seen that commercial? Likely there's a mountain dew commercial show all these different people 139 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:39.960 and they turn into the webtiles or other animals and like they paneble and they're 140 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.600 looking at themselves through a mule and they see who what they truly are. 141 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.559 Have you have You haven't? I haven't, but it sounds interesting. Yeah. 142 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.639 It kind of makes me think of like you know then you know, 143 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.960 like you know how the Freemasons they like to p jecked. They have to 144 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.320 tell the truth, you know, to some degree, you know, the 145 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:07.440 elitist world, it's like they have to tell the truth so they can't have 146 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.519 the blame on themselves. You know what. I think there's some truth to 147 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.519 that idea of telling what you're really doing. It's kind of a psychological work 148 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.320 there, technique to hide things in plain sight, and then by doing that, 149 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.399 it's kind of just because of human psychology, people don't notice it or 150 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.080 people are conditioned to accept it. So yeah, one of the things I 151 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.720 wrote about in my books was that a lot of fiction, a lot of 152 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.360 movies predict the future, right, And how do they do that. Well, 153 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.679 it's not because they have a crystal ball and they can literally see the 154 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.159 future. It's because they want to condition people to where they want to take 155 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.919 people in the future. So this is a big part of propaganda, and 156 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:54.320 you know in movies and even even books, is to prepare people for the 157 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.360 world that the power elite want to bring about, which is a technocratic, 158 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.080 socialist of order. So I think that, Yeah, I think that when 159 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.440 you see commercials like that, I mean, I don't actually be believe that 160 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.399 there are reptile people, but I think that the commercials like that will reveal 161 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.440 number one, the way that the corporatively view humans. They view them like 162 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.440 children, like animals, like cattle, cavemen, right, most like cavement, 163 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:28.360 so that they see people as basically less than human or animal animals. 164 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.960 So yeah, they so they want to try to control and corral people into 165 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.279 ultimately, like I said, of technocratic order, but they like to throw 166 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.080 it in people's faces. So it's kind of like it's form of gaslighting. 167 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:48.480 Yeah. No. And I was in New York the other night at some 168 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.720 Christmas party and I was just walking down the street looking at all the apartment 169 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:58.440 complex and it's just boom boom stack stacked all over the place, you know, 170 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:03.480 and me thinking it almost looked like there's farms in California. How they 171 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:09.759 have chicken cages all these little cases with a foot radius, but chicken could 172 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.320 walk in. I'm like, they're just cattle. Everyone that's in New York 173 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.840 City is just cattle. That's why I was thinking, that's what it looks 174 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.080 like, you know, the setup that is like a factory form. Right. 175 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.240 Yeah. Now, when I was when I was in we did an 176 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:30.559 LA show and we were here comes there when I did my LA event, 177 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.399 a few weeks ago, or actually a couple of months ago, we were 178 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.799 hanging out with a pretty famous comedian and we went up to his to his 179 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.039 condo because that's where he filmed his podcast, and he was talking about how 180 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.159 he just noticed that the condos that he bought that were really he bought a 181 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:54.879 condo, this this condo structure was really expensive. It's over in the Hollywood 182 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.200 area, and he was talking about how he realized it looks just like something 183 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.960 out of it just tope be in story where the humans are basically stuck in 184 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.039 giant bens, like a kind of a farm or a factory farm. So 185 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.600 he was actually the same thing that you were saying about the condos in Hollywood. 186 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.720 No, it's true, and like, I do not understand how someone 187 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.759 could live in a city like that, me personally, Like, I'd rather 188 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.399 be up in the mountains, you know, in Ogan. And I'm sorry 189 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.759 you would probably before the same thing. Oh yeah, yeah, So I 190 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.919 think you can have fun in the city, and you know, if you 191 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.200 if you had enough money and you want to have a city condo. My 192 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.279 family has a condo in Nashville that we go to sometimes, but I wouldn't 193 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:45.320 want to live in that area. Because I mean, like you said, 194 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:52.519 cities were designed a long time ago to be mechanisms for really controlling people. 195 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.759 So there's always been a kind of a battle between the people from the country 196 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:58.799 and the people in the city. And the people in the city think that 197 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.639 there's sophisticated and they're better than the country people, and country people are stupid 198 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.039 and that they're superstitious, And there might be some truth to that. The 199 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.799 city people can be just as dumb or even worse or more dumbed down and 200 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:18.799 controlled and NPC you know, bugman, rootless consumer men who are derastinated and 201 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.240 divorced from their land and from their heritags their people. So that's the purpose 202 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.600 of the city as a kind of social engineering mechanism. Now, city could 203 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.480 be good, it doesn't have to be that way, but most modern cities 204 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.639 are designed that way. No, that's true. So I have a good 205 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.440 question for you. What can people find your book and what can they buy 206 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:45.039 it? Which book there's most recent one that came out? Yeah, I 207 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.559 got two different ones. If you go to my website, Jason analysis dot 208 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.759 com, there's a shop and the shop is both both. All the books 209 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.799 are there, but the new books. This is just a little philosophy book. 210 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.440 It's kind of it's a little difficult. You don't have any philosophy background 211 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.240 or knowledge. But this is a newer book. It's called Meta Narratives, 212 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.039 Essays and Philosophy and Symbolism. I think it's twenty or thirty bucks. I 213 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.960 forget exactly how much it is. I think it's thirty if it's get it 214 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.919 signed. And then this is the big fat book that's like all the essays, 215 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.960 and you can get both of those at the website. This is a 216 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.240 nicer done book. This one's kind of a homemade thing. I don't even 217 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:26.480 know who actually put this together, but that's a long story. But so 218 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.320 both of those are on the website. Okay, awesome. And then my 219 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.480 other my other books are still there, but they're they were they were published 220 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.080 with a publisher. They weren't still published in their essotery Hollywood, And there's 221 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.919 two there's part one in part two and how long have you been selling books? 222 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.279 For now? In writing? So this one was published and the first 223 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:52.399 book came out in twenty sixteen. Okay, this was seven years ago. 224 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.120 It still sells like every day, which kind of blows me. Away, 225 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.159 but I chose to write on something that you know, ended up kind of 226 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:04.279 being evergreen. So I wrote about symbols and movie movies and conspiracies related to 227 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:08.279 movies in Hollywood. So the book is about like all the movies that predict 228 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:14.519 the future and what predictions have come true, and the different kind of attitudes 229 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:18.240 of the directors and the you know, how they want to mind control everybody 230 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.880 basically. So that book has just proven to be really popular. And I 231 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.839 think after you know, Epstein and all that stuff came out a lot of 232 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:32.880 what I talked about in it, because the first several chapters are about Kubrick, 233 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.319 and Kubrick had a theme where in his movie, especially as White Shot, 234 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:41.039 like he was exposing Epstein style stuff. So, you know, I 235 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.519 was talking about Epstein style stuff in twenty sixteen, you know, before it 236 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.440 was like mainstream news. I know, he had already been in one court 237 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.319 case, but people didn't The world had not heard of Epstein yet. No, 238 00:17:53.480 --> 00:18:00.440 yeah, they did not at that point. And you've been you've been 239 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:06.079 having some pretty big guests on your show. You interviewed Alex Alex Jones the 240 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.240 other day, didn't you. Well, I host Alex's Fourth Hour. I've 241 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.200 been doing that for three years. So yeah, we did a special with 242 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.839 Alex a few months back, maybe six months ago. But yeah, we've 243 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.039 had some really pretty big interviews lately, I mean either being on somebody's podcast 244 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:26.640 or they've been online. We did I mean, we did Jamie Kennedy, 245 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:32.359 we did Colonel Douglas McGregor, I did Tristan Tate a few years ago. 246 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:38.400 We did uh uh, I did Eddie Bravo's show the other day. Uh 247 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.200 So, yeah, we've had quite a few pretty big name people of late. 248 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.160 Do you know when you're gonna get on Joe Bulgan's that's gonna happen eventually, 249 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.599 I don't know. I mean, I don't think he I mean, 250 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.440 I would definitely go on there, but I don't think he really likes a 251 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.119 lot of the stuff that I would talk about. He doesn't seem to really 252 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:02.119 care about, you know, Christianity or Orthodox christian or anything like that. 253 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.000 So I mean, I would do it, but I don't. I'm not 254 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.640 holding my breath, but I think, you know, there might be a 255 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.759 possibility of like going on Patrick med David's podcast. That would be huge, 256 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.759 that'd be awesome if you do. I mean that we were. I've talked 257 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.680 a couple of times to the to those people, so maybe maybe one day. 258 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:23.240 I was also on timcast in January. Last January. Yeah, so 259 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:29.440 what are your big plans for this upcoming yeal. I'd like to score some 260 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.759 bigger interviews, I mean some uh some uh, you know, big names 261 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.480 like you said, more of those. Those are always fun. I'd like 262 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.640 to, you know, really get deeper into some of the books I haven't 263 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.680 covered yet. I want to cover more fiction stuff. I mean, we've 264 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:51.200 done so many theology talks and so many history talks and philosophy talks, and 265 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:53.240 for me, I just like to branch out and do other topics. It's 266 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.640 not that I don't like those things, it's just that it gets it's kind 267 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.960 of boring if you just talk about one thing over and over and over. 268 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.480 So maybe we can expand into doing more fiction stuff in the next year. 269 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:10.359 I have a big Muslim debate in January. That'll probably be the last debate 270 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.640 I do for a while. I'm just kind of I've been doing debates for 271 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.680 like five years. I'm kind of tired of that, so I'm gonna take 272 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.720 a little break from debating. Yeah, but Yeah, I'd like I'd like 273 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.039 to get back on some of those big podcasts. Oh, we did the 274 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:23.440 Tucker I was on the Tucker Special. That was a big thing. So 275 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.799 I'd like to, you know, go on Tucker Carls and I'd like to 276 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:32.279 go on some of these shows in the next year. No, no, 277 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.119 and I think it's more than possible for you. Quick questions and when you 278 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:41.440 debate people about Muslims and orthodox how do you win the debates? What key 279 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:48.119 points do you make to people? That's a good question. I think the 280 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.079 key to being good at debate and winning a debate is a few things to 281 00:20:52.160 --> 00:21:00.240 keep in mind. It's kind of like playing chess. And I'm not good 282 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.200 at playing chess. But Jamie, my wife, she's actually really good at 283 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.839 chess. She always beats me at chess. But kind of like, you 284 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:11.160 think ahead and the steps that people will make, and so you're planning your 285 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.880 moves and your arguments based on what you know they're going to make. So 286 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:19.000 I think the number one thing to winning a debate is knowing the opponent's position 287 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.160 as well as they do, or maybe even better than they do. And 288 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.680 if you are good enough at that, then you already know pretty much every 289 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.799 argument or move they're going to make. Number two, know the informal fallacies, 290 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.519 and it kind of just becomes second nature. If you've done a lot 291 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.599 of debates, you'll kind of know, You'll kind of sense even if you 292 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.519 forget the names of the fallacies, you'll kind of sense that, Okay, 293 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.119 that's not right, that argument doesn't follow. So knowing the fallacies is key, 294 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.720 and then it helps also to if you've done a lot of debates. 295 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.119 So I've been doing debates since I was eighteen or nineteen, so that's like 296 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:04.240 over twenty years, and you know, started in college. And one thing 297 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.519 you learned from doing that for over twenty years is that most of the time, 298 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:14.359 people will make the same moves and make the same mistakes over and over 299 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.359 and over. Really, so that's pretty common. So someone they don't want 300 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.200 to really adapt it be this is going to I guess, is the human 301 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:27.359 habit essentially. I think, oh, I think part of its human laziness. 302 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:33.720 To you know, it makes sense, Yeah, it's people want to 303 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.119 rep people want to fall back on easy, simple, lazy, emotional things. 304 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.880 So like the most common thing is if you're having a debate with somebody 305 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.960 and you're sticking to the issues, they'll try to divert it over into making 306 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.920 it about you. So that's the most obvious quick diversion tactic. And so 307 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.039 let's say you and I were having a debate about I don't know whatever. 308 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:07.039 Well, let's say we were debating whether we'll say morals of abortion or something 309 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.960 like that, and then you said something like, well, Jay's wrong because 310 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.920 uh, look at this, look at the mean comments he made on the 311 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.359 internet, and he's a bad person. Yeah, well, me being a 312 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:25.920 mean bad person, even if it's not, doesn't it disprove that not being 313 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.279 it doesn't have anything to do with what we're arguing. But most people will 314 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.519 fall back into that because that's the easiest way to reply. It's the laziest 315 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:40.039 way reply, and it actually is pretty effective for duping a lot of low 316 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:44.720 IQ people in the audience. So if you have a dumb audience, they're 317 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.240 going to just go with that, Oh, yeah, he is dumb, 318 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.720 so he can't be right. Look how mean he is. Yeah, well 319 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.319 but that's a bad argument, right. So uh, And that's not to 320 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.480 say that there's not a place at time for jokes and jabs and rhetoric. 321 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.920 But if your whole position is purely rhetoric or you know, just kind of 322 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.359 jokes and satire and jabs. That's pretty flimsy, and it's going to be 323 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.240 pretty obvious that you don't really have a good case and you're just kind of 324 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.720 deflecting. So you know, if you've done this for a long time, 325 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.680 you'll start to see the same old patterns most people. Most people do, 326 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:26.119 and part of that's because people aren't really taught effective debate skills and strategy and 327 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.960 rhetoric and logic. So people don't learn that in college or even if they 328 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.440 get a college degree, like a lot of times, for example, if 329 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:38.680 I'm debating like an atheist, like an atheist biologist, right, yeah, 330 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.720 they most likely, I would say ninety five percent of the time. And 331 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.480 I've had a lot of debates with those kinds of people. Like they've never 332 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:52.799 had a philosophy or logic class, so they'll know a lot about biology or 333 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.839 some niche area of biology, and they won't know anything about what a fallacy 334 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:02.039 is. So they're not going to win a debate no matter how much biology 335 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.920 they've studied, because they're going to immediately violate the rules and laws with making 336 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.400 no that's true, and that happens quite a bit. Like I'm not a 337 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.839 perfect debate I'm trying to learn how to become a better debate. And I've 338 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.279 seen some of the tactics you've been doing, like on Twitter, spaces or 339 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:23.200 some of the things just places different places you debate, and I would say 340 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:30.319 you extremely proficient at the way you do it. And I've been I've been 341 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.960 trying to pick up some of just some of the things you do well. 342 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.960 The main thing I do is just notice if what they're saying logically leads to 343 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:44.680 the conclusion of the argument they're making. And most people don't even make arguments, 344 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.279 like they don't even know what an argument is. Like people think an 345 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:52.480 argument is just stating your position or just asserting something. Abortion is wrong because 346 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.839 it's bad. Okay, well that's it's not an argument, right, that's 347 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.720 an assertion. But we need to know why it's bad. Right, abortion 348 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:04.480 is because it damages the person and it leads to, you know, collapse 349 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:11.079 of society. And these would be giving arguments supporting claims for the assertion. 350 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.279 No, that's true. So I have another question for you. How long 351 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.440 have you been a follower of Jesus Christ, and when did you first accept 352 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:26.039 him? Well, I I was raised Baptist, but I didn't get serious 353 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.559 about reading the Bible until my senior year of high school. So I was 354 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.960 eighteen when I started reading the Bible and kind of taking church more serious. 355 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:38.599 And then I had a long period throughout my twenties of where I was studying 356 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.359 church history, and I went to the Catholic Church for a long time and 357 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.720 became Catholic into two thousand and three, and then started to doubt that in 358 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:52.599 about two thousand and eight nine somewhere in there, and then I kind of 359 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.960 just didn't go to church for a few years. And then I started King 360 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:03.599 of the Iron Fist Tournament five Orthodox Face, especially in about twenty seventeen. 361 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:11.200 But I was already convinced of it in twenty fourteen. Okay, So so 362 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:19.519 it's been it's been twenty plus years essentially, Yeah, pretty much. Okay. 363 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.000 And how many people do you think you've devoted from Islam to Christianity? 364 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.799 Has anyone came up to you and said that you've done it? Or yeah? 365 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.440 I mean we have a discord of like over ten thousand people. So 366 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.160 not all of those people were Muslims, but I mean, we've seen thousands 367 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:48.720 of people from all different groups of products Atheists, Roman, Catholic, Muslim, 368 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.119 and even some Jews have converted to Orthodoxy from a lot of the work 369 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.920 that we've done. I mean, it's possible to know for sure, but 370 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.839 we do know for for sure. I mean, I've had at least a 371 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:07.279 few thousand people tell me through emails, DMS, conversations that's actually, that's 372 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.680 actually pretty cool. Anytime I've had someone told me I've helped them get closer 373 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.440 to God, it's like a good feeling. Yeah, it's one of my 374 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.039 favorite things to do. But no, that that's actually pretty awesome. Have 375 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:26.319 you heard about the white clock, dude, I guess it's a phenomenal that's 376 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:33.000 been happening with Muslim people. Well, what is that white cloak? It's 377 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.920 what they're falling him to guy. Yeah, a guy in a white clock. 378 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.920 I've heard people talk about that. I don't know about it, but 379 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.079 like they see a vision or something and they convert. Yeah, so a 380 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.960 lot of these people, usually in the same town. Is when it happens, 381 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.599 like sometimes five thousand men we get the same dream all one night. 382 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.160 Oh really, Yeah, and there was before to him as the White clock 383 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.200 Man, but it's Jesus Christ going to them and showing them the wait. 384 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:06.279 And a lot of these people end up devoting to Christianity from it. But 385 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.599 most of them they don't want to say it was Jesus Christ, which is 386 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:14.559 why they say the white cloak Man, because they don't want a lot of 387 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:19.000 people they don't like committing they've been lied to. Usually I've noticed, Yeah, 388 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.839 I like to read more about that. I mean, do you know, 389 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.200 is it just something you saw online or is there a place to read 390 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.240 about that? You know what? I didn't, so I didn't see a 391 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:36.160 personally. My buddy Blue was extremely into Christianity. I actually had his dream 392 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:37.880 with him a couple of weeks ago. He actually got He helped me to 393 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.839 get back home. I was stuck in Texas for a little bit and he 394 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.240 helped me get back home. He was a strangel. I just sent him 395 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.400 a DM but I knew he was a Christian and he just helped me get 396 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.559 back home. He's an amazing guy. But he was telling me all about 397 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.400 this. I guess there's a whole bunch of articles on the internet. He 398 00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:02.319 was reading in different videos of people interviewing people about this as well. But 399 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.039 I think it'd be something cool to go out and interview people specifically about that. 400 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.039 Hmm, yeah, that's worth looking into. I don't know much about 401 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.920 it. I mean, most of my focus has been on just kind of 402 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:22.039 the the philosophy of Islam and like whether it's logical or whether it's consistent. 403 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:29.960 So we've debated pretty much all of the big big name Muslims except for one. 404 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.920 I think Muhammad his job is about the only big name Muslim that we 405 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.960 haven't done any debates with. Yeah, I mean there are probably some other 406 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.839 ones I'm not aware of. But have you thought about having a warder Stones 407 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:48.359 on your show? Yeah? I asked somebody who knows them, and I 408 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.559 don't know if the message ever got to him, but yeah, I asked 409 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.119 him if he would want to do a show an interview sometime, and I 410 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.279 don't think I ever got a response. I messed him on Twitter, I 411 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.799 think one time too, and I didn't get a response. You want me 412 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.400 to text him that just had him on my show, and I could you 413 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.680 could tell him that I'd be open to doing a conversation. I enjoyed his 414 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.400 interview he just did with Alex the other day talking about Henry Kissinger. So 415 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.839 that'd be a good place to talk, a good place to jump off, 416 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.119 because I just did like three or four talks on Kissinger when he died the 417 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.839 other day, So that'd be perfect. Oh yeah, no, most definitely. 418 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.200 Yeah, right after this, I would send him a text I would 419 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.640 give him over. Yeah, hopefully that goes through, which I think you 420 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.839 would have an amazing conversation with him, to be honest, it'd probably be 421 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.039 extremely insightful. Yeah, he knows all the details of what was happening, 422 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.559 you know, in the Nixon administration, because he was there with Nixon at 423 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:42.599 that time when Kissinger was doing all that stuff. Well, what do you 424 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.359 think is going to happen for twenty twenty four election? The election? Who 425 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.279 knows? I mean, they could do anything. They could roll out another 426 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:59.680 scamdemic. They could we got a big cyber attacks, cyber polygone like cloud 427 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.400 stock about. They could try to have a World War three. I mean, 428 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.799 who knows. I mean it could be none of those things. Might 429 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.200 have an economic collapse. I mean, any of those things could be rolled 430 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.559 out. I'm sure they're going to try to stage you know, fake t 431 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.039 E R R O R and claim that it's you know, mock people, 432 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:22.440 and I would say that's that's probably pretty likely. No, that's I think 433 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.039 they're going to try to do the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if 434 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:32.519 they do that. I think it's extremely likely that they're going to. I 435 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.759 feel like, what's going to happen. Biden's going to die and then the 436 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.319 chick below him is going to take office and we're going to go to wool 437 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.960 and then quote unquote like you were saying, it's going to happen, and 438 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.480 she's just going to stay in office. That's a dictator. It could be. 439 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.160 It could be something like that. I mean, anything is on the 440 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.640 table. I think after we saw the last election and then that they use 441 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.839 the the excuse of COVID and all that for the oh we got mail in 442 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.000 the A L l O T S right, I'm just trying to avoid because 443 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:13.720 the YouTube's you know, I know you know what I mean. Yeah, 444 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.599 No, I know what you mean. I think everyone in the audience knows 445 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.519 what you mean too. Yeah. But they might try to do something like 446 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.599 that again to avoid because they know that that Biden is pulling like some outrageous 447 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:34.319 amount like twenty percent behind Trump and that I think it's never been that way 448 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.079 never, There's never been that much of a disparity in this in the in 449 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:43.079 the early polls before. Yeah, there's no better. That means they couldn't 450 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.119 steal it, right, Like that's too much of a disparity to outright steal. 451 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.680 So they might have to just completely pull it. Who knows what. 452 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.160 Yeah, it would be impossible because, like you're saying, there's gonna be 453 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.680 too much out there. And I think a lot of people they realized how 454 00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:02.160 shitty he was as a president, and everyone's paying the price for voting for 455 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.400 him. At this point, there's not going to person that's not paying for 456 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.519 the price. Like I'm sure obviously the v elitist is making a lot more 457 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.920 money. You know what I find crazy though? How uh all the people 458 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:21.760 in the government. If you watch how much money they're making trading stocks and 459 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:27.920 doing all that entitle trading, they're making more than a professional trade all right 460 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:32.239 now, Like you look at the stuff they're making, it's like it's like, 461 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.280 dude, well that's the real reason people were run for office. Yeah, 462 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.599 they're running for the entire stuff. That's why they've been doing it. 463 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:46.000 The whole time. Yeah, I just find that so insane. It's like 464 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.320 it got to like I'm sure back in the day it was probably a lot 465 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.159 less like this delific was a lot less when Nixon was president, or maybe 466 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.920 it's when Jeff k was in president, but since then they made it so 467 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.280 when someone becomes president of once for office and all the people that backing them 468 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.360 up yoday know this though, they back them up and then they come in 469 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:08.519 like, oh, do this and this and this, and we pay you 470 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:15.239 for this and this. Yeah. The King Tournament five Hilary was running and 471 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:22.719 it came out with open to explain your truth. That is the ancient promise 472 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:29.159 continued in this campaign. They when she when she came to power, she 473 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.199 would basically divvy up Libya and give it to, you know, the Saudis 474 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.159 and the people that had donated to her campaign. Yeah. What what do 475 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:45.400 you think about the war in the Middle East with the santas And I think 476 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:51.519 that's kind of a control scenario that uh, they have had their sights on, 477 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.960 uh you know, oil and gas, uh Greater Israel project, I 478 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.280 mean all of the non plan that pretty much planes everything that's happening now. 479 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.559 It was planned a long time ago. Albert Pike. No, no, 480 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.239 no, I don't. I mean, I think there are probably plans for 481 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.800 a future of World War three, But I'm skeptical of the Albert Pike letter. 482 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.000 I just I don't know if it's authentic. I mean, yeah, 483 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.760 it looks like it's not authentic, But I think there are people that do 484 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:25.920 plan in those kinds of scenarios. But do you mean what's happening right now 485 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.639 in the Middle East or like the future World War out of the Middle East? 486 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.480 I guess I think this is the expand Israel expansion, this project that 487 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:40.559 they've had for a good while. So okay, yeah, well what do 488 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.119 you like? I know, there's this Tom caught about a wartime is harvest 489 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:52.440 time. Have you heard that Tom before? Mm hmm. It's like from 490 00:36:52.480 --> 00:37:00.159 the elitist when they do when they go to war in a Pacific alba, 491 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.760 that's usually when they kidnap all the kids and do their sacrifices with their kids. 492 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.679 Yeah. Well, I think that wartime definitely allows for a lot of 493 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.800 black market operations. Yeah, so when there's a war, people are displaced, 494 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.760 that allows human trafficking, that allows the establishment of black markets, drug 495 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.320 running, all kinds of things that might not have previously been there. So 496 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.199 that's definitely true. Yeah, yeah, no, I think so too. 497 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:36.079 I think that's a bigger thing than people realize. It's kind of crazy to 498 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:43.519 think about how how crazy it woke again, Like it's kind of crazy to 499 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.719 even think of. You know, we live in America. We don't see 500 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.920 nothing nearly like that in the States, at least not yet, right, 501 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.199 you know, like imagine living in Europe or the Middle East, and like 502 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.400 the Middle East, like that stuff's happening all the time, Like in South 503 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.559 Africa, example, South Africa, people have to defend the house on a 504 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.920 daily basis from raidos in some places. Yeah, you know, it's just 505 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:13.119 crazy to think about we live in such a luxurious lifestyle where we don't have 506 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.800 to worry about our livelihood. Yeah, that's probably not gonna last for it 507 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.239 forever. I mean, if we continue on the path that we're on, 508 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.519 all of the prosperity and all that will go away and oh yeah it's going 509 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.400 on. Yeah, I mean, America can easily collapse, right, I 510 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:34.320 mean, there's no there's no magical power that protects America because of you know, 511 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.880 the powdered wigmen that drew up the Constitution, and they put their powdered 512 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.119 wig, their magic powdered wig dust on the constitution to make it infallible, 513 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.159 and it will never fail. I mean, the whole country could collapse very 514 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:52.960 easily if we had I think it would only really collapse with people on the 515 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:59.159 inside bringing it down. I don't think that we would fall to external armies. 516 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.599 I've read and listened to different military analyzes. I'm not an expert on 517 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.280 any of that stuff. That's not my field, but a lot of the 518 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.719 military people that talk about this say that, you know, it's really hard 519 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.480 to militarily take down America because of the way it's positioned, because of all 520 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.719 the bases, because of the seas, and you know how we're protected and 521 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.400 guarded, because it would be difficult to invade from you know, Canada or 522 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.159 Mexico unless you had open borders, and then and that would be done by 523 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:37.679 people, moles and traders within right selling the country out. So I think 524 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.719 that the biggest danger, the real danger to America falling, would be internal 525 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.280 subversion and sabotage. And I think that's very possible. So how that will 526 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.960 happen or what will happen. I don't know, but a lot of the 527 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.719 fiction that they're preparing is, you know, they're preparing for, oh, 528 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.679 civil war, right, collapse in civil War. I mean that's been in 529 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:05.519 the the fiction going back to Red Dawn, going back to Walking Dead. 530 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.920 And this new Obama movie is about you know that. And the new Alex 531 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:14.000 Garland movie coming out next year is called Civil War. So they're really pushing 532 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.480 this idea of the collapse of America. Okay, yeah, and so I 533 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.159 guess you know, do you have any closing statements you want to say before 534 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:30.960 you plug your social media caps closing statements? Thanks for having me on if 535 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.719 you're If people are interested in my stuff, you could go to my YouTube 536 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.400 channel, Jay Dyer. You can find my fourth hour of Alex Jones over 537 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.800 at bandt Video every Friday. You can find me on the X or Twitter 538 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.159 under my name Jay Dyer. I'm almost at sixty thousand, so y'all can 539 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.679 help me hit sixty thousand on Twitter. You can follow me on Instagram. 540 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.239 Same stuff, Jays Analysis books at the website and the shop. And then 541 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.199 there's also another free speech based platform, rock Finn. 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Thank 560 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.679 you again, J DAWs so much for having me, for having for having 561 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.840 me to let you be a guest on my show. I glad to chat 562 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.079 and a really cool brief conversation. I joyed it. Thanks man. Yeah, 563 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.159 thank God. Have a good day you too. God bless