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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hey, everybody, we're here.

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We're alive and thrive in the world's
most culturally diverse city, Toronto, Canada,

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home of Blue Jay's Raptors, Maple
Leafs and Canadian psychic Robert Lindsay Millen.

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That's me, Welcome to my side
of the crystal ball. I always

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tell you we got a great show, and that's because we always do have

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a great show. And my guest
tonight is someone who's taught me a great

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amount. Her name is Nicole Ancinette
and her podcast and her show on Facebook

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is Guiding Echoes and she's also on
YouTube and incidentally channeler, psychic, teacher,

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healer and brilliant with social media.
And she's going to be with me

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on the Experts sitting in the Experts
yare, and she's also the main event

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before you. And of course there's
going to be a WWRS and incidentally it

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is a direct result of my conversation
with Nicole. Tonight's WWRS. Will stick

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around for that one before we get
started in this very exciting show. I've

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Lindseymilon dot com. You can find
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and you can also find me on
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now, without fault further Ado,
let's get this show on the road with

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ww RS. We are unique.
There is no other being in the universe

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just like us. Each one of
us are different and we see things from

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different points of view, and each
one of us has different skills, abilities,

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awareness and talents where different, but
we're the same where people were humans.

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Several years ago, like maybe twenty
five, I decided to have a

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major change in my life and moved
down to outside of Toronto into this small

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town called Beamsville, rather near Niagara
Falls, Ontario. It was a brand

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new neighborhood. The subdivision had not
yet been started. It was just a

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big field and we bought My partner
and I, Deborah, we bought our

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house from plans and everybody had done
that and we were waiting for our houses

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to get built. I decided that
I wasn't going to tell anybody in the

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new neighborhood what I do, and
I was going to be incognito as Robert

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Lindsay Mill in the small town of
Beamsville, and I was just going to

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see how people would respond to me
as a person. A friend of mine

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was part of the development team for
the construction site and he had been to

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me for several readings, and I
told him I wasn't going to tell anybody

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I'm psychic. But he happened to
mention to the construction foreman, this man

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whose name was Hugh O'Malley, and
he was a tough old irishman from Belfast,

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a really good guy. He was
a finishing carpenter and and he was

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the supervisor of construction for the entire
subdivision. And my friend told Hugh what

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I do, and Hugh started asking
me a lot of questions. So I

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told him that I would answer any
questions about being psychic on the condition that

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he doesn't tell anybody what I do. We both agreed, and he started

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asking me questions. And over the
six to eight months, he asked a

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lot of questions about being psychic.
And I am almost always patient with people,

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and I share my knowledge and information. All right, now we move

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into our beautiful house. We've been
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day I'd get home from work,
drive you from downtown Toronto, and Debra

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says to me, Robert, look
at this news this article in the magazine.

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It was Martha Stewart Living. I
didn't know Martha Stewart living, so

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anyway, she showed me and Martha
had put pegboard on the wall. I

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think it was in her pantry or
something. And Deborah said, I would

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really love to have pegboard on in
the garage. And I thought, well,

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how difficult could pegboard be to put
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okay, well I'll do that.
She gave me the magazine with all the

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instructions and details, and I thought, of Martha can do it. I'm

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sure I can do it. Saturday
morning comes around. I get up really

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early, drive down to the small
store, the hardware store in a small

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town. It was about twice the
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the way, So get into,
you know. I go in, I

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you know, I shoulder guide the
magazine and he already knows I'm from away.

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So I say to him, I
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do I need? And he got
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okay, so what do I need
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said, because I have no no, no trills. So I buy absolutely

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everything I need to do the job. Everything loaded up in my beat up

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old jeep because I was living in
the country, drove home, put everything

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in the garage down on the garage
floor, and then looked around and said,

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now what hewn am I going to
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and I thought, ah, well, I just didn't know what to do.

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So I went out and I was
sitting by the curb, feeling rather

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dejected. And I looked down the
road and who's driving up. Hugh O'Malley.

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And remember he was a finishing carpenter
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the building of the whole site.
Now, sometimes people men that do you

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know, men's work, physical work, building and you know, constructing and

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smashing down, and they kind of
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to do that. And I'm one
of those guys. So as Hugh was

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driving up, I ran out on
the road flagged him down, and I

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looked at him and said, Hugh, what's the first thing you do if

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you were going to do a psychic
region? And I looked the man and

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said, how the hell should I
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what's the first thing you would do
if you were going to put pig board

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on the wall? And and I
saw him thinking, you know, it

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was a wheel one around and then
he said, oh, here, I'll

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show you. And he got his
toolbox out and brought some tools, you

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know, and the saw. And
he came up into the garage and he

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looked around and he said, here, I'll leave the saw for you.

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So I picked a saw up and
I looked at it and I said,

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how do you how do you turn
this on? And he came over.

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No, I'm not going to leave
that for you. He then went over

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to the wall, looked at it, looked at the pig board, did

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a couple of little zip zip measurements, and then ten minutes later, all

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the pegboard was on the wall.
It would I still would have been working

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on it. I didn't know how
to do it, but I showed you

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that I'm an expert at my field
and he's an expert at his field,

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and I spoke to him in that
self respect and respect for him. Every

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one of us on the planet has
something good that we can do. Everyone,

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if we're alive, we can do
something. If we have something and

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we all do. When we do
it, we're doing good. So when

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I say good night to you and
I say do good, there's something you

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can do that's good. And that's
what Robert says. Tonight, I'd like

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to introduce my guest tonight, and
her name is Nicole Antoinette. And Nicole

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Antinette has a Facebook channel and a
podcast called Guiding Echoes. She's got thirty

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three thousand followers. She's a psychic, medium, intuitive teacher, counselor.

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Here she's really funny as she's really
got a great personality. This is our

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second meeting, by the way,
our first interview for some reason it got

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deleted and we're doing like a replay
of the first one. This is going

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to be just as much funner,
even more so, I'd like to introduced

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Nicole Antonette on my side of the
crystal ball once again. Here we are

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getting the opportunity to talk about what
we love the most, doing our work

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and glad to see you again.
How are you doing? I'm doing great.

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How are you? I'm doing great? So you've been a functioning,

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performing professional psychic. Is that what
you would call yourself a professional psychic?

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For? How long? Now?
It's been about ten years now? Wow?

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Yeah, I know right? How
did that happen? So? The

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way I even discovered that I had
psychic abilities, all right, I guess

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I should say when I first realized
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actually came pretty much by accident.
So one year I wanted to decorate my

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home for Halloween, and I decided
I was going to create a seance scene

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in my front yard. And that
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or inspired by, the Haunted Mansion
at Disneyland, because I'm a Disneyland freak.

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I love Disneyland. Yeah, so
this was going to be my homage

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to the Haunted Mansion. So I
started looking at different tarot cards online and

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there was a particular set that was
really calling to me, but it was

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thirty dollars and I didn't want to
spend that much because I was being kind

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of cheap and I just wanted these
for decorations, so I don't want to

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spend a whole lot of money on
them. So I kept looking at different

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cards and that one kept popping up
and it was like, man, these

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cards are beautiful. So I put
them on my wish list and then walked

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away. And I think it was
like two or three days later, in

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the middle of the night, I
finally bought them because they were haunting me,

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like, I kept thinking about these
cards, and so finally one day

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our one night wasn't able to sleep, got up at like two or three

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in the morning, don't really remember
it, and bought them. It was

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finally able to fall asleep. What's
funny is I forgot I had bought them

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like almost immediately after. So they
arrive in the mount and I'm like,

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what did I order? I don't
even remember ordering anything. Open up the

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box. I was like, oh, my cards. What was the name

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of the deck? By the way, I'm just curious. They're no longer

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in print, but they were called
the Wizard's Tarot. And there's a lot

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of different decks now called the Wizard's
Tarot, but it's not that same one

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yet, It's not then had the
original. Yes, yeah, it was

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a gorgeous deck and I still have
it. Yeah, I still have it.

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So it's a very sentimental deck of
cards. So when I pulled those

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cards out of the box and I
felt them in my hands and I was

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looking at the artwork, it was
just like, this is too precious to

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use, Like I cannot use these
for decorations, And I felt this need

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to protect the cards, and so
m I decided I was going to learn

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how to read them. So I
bought all of these. I'm kind of

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one of those like go big or
go home people like I ended up that

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ended up buying all these different books
on how to read tarot. Joined an

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online group where we exchanged tarot readings, readings for beginning beginners, and I

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just had a knack for it,
and so I was blowing all the students

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away, Like even people who had
been doing this for years are like,

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whoa, You're really good at this. And so shortly after, can I

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just interject here for money? So
you were just learning about the tarot and

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you were doing better than all these
people that have been doing it for so

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long. Yep. Did you know
the meaning of the cards because you read

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about it or did you know the
meaning of the cards because they talked to

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you? They talked to me,
Yeah, they absolutely talk to me.

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a card and I would be like, well, I know that the three

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appentacles means a mastership, but that's
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So, you know, I would
just go on my own tangent and

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it would turn out to be correct, you know, nine times out of

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ten. Actually it was more like
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was Yeah. So yeah, Taro, I'm yeah, Taro is definitely one

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of the things that I'm still very
very good at and good with. Um.

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So yeah, So shortly after I
took the class and realized I had

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a knack for it. Um I
started guiding echoes and so back then,

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UM, I just had a Twitter
account. I put what is guiding echos?

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So, guiding echos is my business? Okay, um that's where I

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offer my online courses and online membership
and my psychic services. And it is

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also the name of my YouTube channel, and um of course people can follow

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me on Instagram at and Facebook at
guiding echos, at guiding echos. Okay,

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guiding echos. Um So started guiding
echos. And at that point I

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just had like a crappy little website. Yeah it was. It was bad

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man, like ten years ago.
Yeah, okay, all right, this

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was this was when people were just
getting on the word press bandwagon, but

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you still had Jumla and all these
other things. So I had like this

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handmade HTML site that was that was
awful, but almost all websites were awful

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back then, so you know,
it's all right. Um So, um

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I had a Twitter account and I
was mostly just tweeting inspirational things and tweeting

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my my um insight on different tarot
cards, and so that audience actually started

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growing really big, very quickly,
and so I was able to start UM

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getting clients that way. And what
was really interesting was that once I went

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professional, once I started UM working
with clients, there was this fascinating thing

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that happened where spirits started to come
through. And I didn't really understand what

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was happening at the time, because
how did you know they were spirits coming

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through? Um? I don't think
that I really did in the beginning,

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Like, I didn't really understand what
was happening. But what it felt like

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for me is there was definitely a
presence in the room and I could feel

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from what direction it was coming from. Usually it was from the front to

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front left side. It would they'd
come in this way, so I'd feel

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them, but in my mind's eye, I would see them, and I

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usually see them pretty clearly. You
would actually see a four in my mind's

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eye. Yeah, of course I
understand that, yes, yeah, But

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the combination of the presence and how
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was so distracting that I had to
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seeing, and I would ask my
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able to verify that, yeah, that

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was in fact someone that they knew
in spirit and so and the spirits would

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come forward and they would give idea
and a fine information. So they would

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show me what they were wearing maybe
on the day of their death. They

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would give me different details about themselves, like if they were someone's father or

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what the relationship was. Like yeah, yeah, so I was getting a

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lot of information. And remember I
was not trained as a medium. At

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no point had I ever been trained
as a medium. So this was just

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through you know, I think my
energy was just opening up and inviting them

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because I'd been meditating every day and
working with tarot, so those two things

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were like blowing everything up. Yeah
and so so yeah, So I was

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telling one of my friends who was
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She's like, I think you're a
medium, and I'm like, I

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think you're crazy. But the more
this started to happen, I realized,

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Okay, I I am a medium. And so then I started going down

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that path. What does that feel
like when like when you set yourself I

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am a medium? What was that
like? It felt weird? Like honestly,

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it felt it was like the the
impostor syndrome kicked in immediately, and

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I still have it I still have
the empathy too. So it's like,

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and it's your impostor syndrome. Is
that what other people think that you're an

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impostor, or you think yourself as
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not being good enough for what you're
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So like your self esteem in that
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doing it as opposed to when you're
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it, you're you're you, you
believe it. And then when you're not

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doing it, right, okay,
good, all right, So when you're

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in the moment, right, when
you're in the moment, all this information

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is like this is amazing. Yeah, okay, that's a right, okay

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yeah, and then like you know, two hours can go buy and you're

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like, am I really doing what
I think I'm doing? This real?

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Yeah? Um? And especially you
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the comparison game that we all I
can play with other people because we'll see

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another medium who seems to be better, different psychic who seems to be better,

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But when you get to talk to
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find out that they're just as confused
sometimes as you are, like, well,

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they go through the same struggles.
You know, we do our job

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helping people so that we can help
ourselves. That's why we do what we

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do. You know. Empaths,
we don't come down from heaven. You

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know, we fight our way out
of hell. So in our fighting out

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of hell, we have all kinds
of things that we have to work on.

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But that's what makes us good at
our job, at our work,

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at our calling. I think so
too. Yeah, I think that.

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I think that in most professions where
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serving people, you have to have
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that's why a lot of psychics and
mediums and healers will go through absolute hell

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absolutely because they need to be able
to identify the absolute pain that those other

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people are going absolutely and you need
to feel it to empathize and connect to

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it. Yes, absolutely, yep. Um so, yeah, I started

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working on the mediumship aspect. You
must have been reading my mind. I

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was going to ask you about that, but we are psychics, um so

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I wanted to start developing that,
but that actually ended up being far more

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difficult than you know, for finding
things on Taro yeah, because mediums fight.

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I don't know if you know this. I haven't hung out with a

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lot of people over my career.
I haven't hung out with that many people

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that do the work, So I
don't know the eccentricities of my of my

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contempt for hours. Gotcha. Um. Yeah, it was really it was

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really confusing because psychic mediums disagree on
a lot of different things. So,

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you know, you'll have one psychic
medium that is like, there's only Heaven

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that is the only realm that people
pass into, and then you'll have another

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medium so it's like, well,
no, Heaven's not Heaven's just one realm,

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but all the other realms are all
light and love, there's nothing more

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than that. Then you'll have another
medium who's like, well there's there's everything,

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there's dark, there's like you know, and so more like that guy

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or that person. Yeah, yeah, well because we see that contrast here

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on our absolutely, you know.
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quickly because I wanted guidance on that
path, and when I was reading all

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these books that were conflicting in information, it really started to mess with my

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head where it was like I didn't
know what to believe anymore. And then

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I started wondering if a lot of
things I was experiencing was just in my

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head because I had seen darker things, you know. I mean, I

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wouldn't classify them as evil exactly,
but maybe just like you know, if

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if a lion breaks into your house, that's you know, it's going to

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act out because it doesn't belong in
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sometimes I think different energies can end
up in a place they really just don't

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belong in and they cause havoc because
it's not where they belong. So so

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it's a messy energy and I do
think, you know, I wouldn't call

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it evil or malicious, but it
is destructive, you know, because it's

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not where it's supposed to be.
So, you know, I think,

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I think that my willingness to learn
and my desire to be guided actually did

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more harm than good in the beginning, and I think that's where some of

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the imposter syndrome came from, because
it's like I want to I respect this

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work so much that I want to
be absolutely certain that what I am teaching

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and what I am telling people is
correct, because this work is way too

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important for anything less than that.
That's good. I like that, thank

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you. But the catch site is
that it's spirit and so I don't know

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if we'll ever have that absolution until
we die, you know. Transition.

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When it comes time to identifying or
labeling UM being psychic, I'm I'm more

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of a minimalist. And instead of
you know, with my with with with

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the people that I mentor and and
how I've taught this work, I've done

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my best to keep everybody away from
I'm a clairvoyant, I'm a claire sentient,

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I'm I'm this uh, and just
get away from it and just follow

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what's going on inside rather than rather
than saying you're a telepath or a medium

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or you're a psychic, just do
it um well and then experience it from

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there well. And that's also good
advice because well, first of all,

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people love labels, but psychics tend
to be very e electic. I have

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not known a single psychic who is
like, No, I'm just a clairvoyant.

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No, I just work with crystals. No, I'm just a terror

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reader. Like. They all have
a wider range of tools and gifts that

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they rely on, and intuition doesn't
talk to us in just one language,

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it talks to us in several and
so yeah, so to be clairvoyant,

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clear, sentient, and those are
really just the psychic senses. So it

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is a little funny to me when
people are like, I'm a clairvoyant,

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just do it rather than rather than
label it and have an expectation and fail,

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just just say what you feel.
That's where I come from. But

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yeah, I'm old school. Yeah, yep, so no, I agree.

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I mean you have to have titles
at some point. Like if I

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wasn't time people i'm a psychic medium, they'd be like, what do you

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do? I mean, I could
still say I talk to dead people,

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but when I say i'm you know, they get it. I I always

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just called myself a psychic until you
know, I started doing shows and stuff

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and everybody had all these titles.
So I decided, Okay, we'll all

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be an intuitive psychic, or I'll
be an intuitive psychic counselor I still do

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the same thing, right, Yeah, I've I've been struggling with that for

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a long time too, because it's
like I do a lot of different things

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as well, so it's like a
my spiritual mentor my psychic mentor psychic teacher,

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my spiritual teacher, my intuitive teacher, my an intuitive mentor like what

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am I I don't know? Man? Right? Well, yes, of

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course, because because it's you know, trying to fit into a description,

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and we may not necessarily fit that
description. True, and we all do

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our work differently. Yeah, this
is true. So yep. So we

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were talking about how you discovered that
you are psychic or that you are a

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medium and that. So what does
do you remember what it was like the

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first time you accepted spirit? We're
talking to you. I do remember that?

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Oh wow, sure that so?
Um well, I don't know if

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it's the first. I don't think
it's the first. Man, I don't

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remember the first spirit, but I
do remember. I do remember when it

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was so strong in that moment where
it was like, Okay, this is

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real and this is what I really
can do, like I am in fact

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a medium. Um So, at
that particular time, what happened was I

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was doing a tarot reading for a
client, a very lovely lady, and

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as I was pulling cards for her
and reading the cards, these two gentlemen

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walked in and I saw them in
my mind's eye. So they were these

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two. Okay, So they went
and didn't walk in the room. They

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came in your mind, okay.
Yeah. So I saw them come through,

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and their presence was so strong and
the image imprinted in my mind of

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them was so strong that I could
not continue the reading because it was their

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presence was so distracting. So I
stopped the reading and I told the woman

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like, I'm sorry, but I
have to take a break because I actually

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have two gentlemen here and I believe
they want to talk to you. And

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so I went on to describe who
these two gentlemen were. So there was

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one man and they were both they
were both college age kids. They were

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both in their young twenties. And
so one of them was wearing a hoodie

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and he was crying. And then
there was another gentleman like blonde hair,

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blue eyed, looked like you know, he probably played on the football football

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team, had his arm around the
guy that was crying, that was wearing

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the hoodie, and he was like
it's okay, it's okay, like everything's

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fine, like we're okay. So
I told the woman what I was seeing,

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and she was like, oh my
god, I know exactly who that

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is. What turned out that These
were two of her friends that she had

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known in college, and the one
that was wearing the hoodie had gotten the

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two of them into a car accident
and he had been the one at fault,

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and so they had both passed away, they'd both transitioned in that car

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accident, and so that spirit had
come forward with a tremendous amount. Okay,

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I can't believe it. That's a
mess. I'm sorry. I have

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to sign the package if we can. Okay, I'm sorry for missing out.

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Up. Sorry, that's a way. Um. So it turned out

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that yeah, right, So it
turned out that that the one that had

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been crying was responsible for the car
accident that took both of their lives,

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and he was and the car accident
was his fault. And so this had

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happened years ago, but that spirit
was clearly still carrying guilt and remorse for

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it. And so when this when
I told the woman the story, she

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was she was just astounded and she
verified, you know, everything that I

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told her, and she said,
well, tell him that we're all okay,

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like we love and we care about
him very much, like no one

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blames him for anything. And so
as she was saying this, like you

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could feel him. I'm getting goosebumps
talking about this because it was such a

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cool story, and so you could
feel his energy starting to lighten, and

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that was the healing that he needed, like knowing he was forgiven, knowing

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that people still thought of him fondly, no one was mad at him,

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Like there was something about that that
healed him, and I believe helped him

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to be able to adjust to life
on the other side without that guilt and

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without that regret any longer. So
it was fascinating because it was like I

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saw a spirit transformation take place right
in front of me. And you know,

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of course I was very, very
very new to the mediumship journey,

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and so I wasn't aware that things
like this really happened, or you know,

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if they did, you know what
this you know what this type of

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transition or experience would look like.
So is the that is the time when,

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you know, after that experience,
I got off the phone with my

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client and I really just kind of
sat and thought about that whole experience for

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a while. It was that it
was like, Wow, that was real,

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that really happened, Like these people
came through so clear, And that's

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the point when it was verified to
me that to me, like validated to

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me that I was a medium.
Okay, Um, slightly off topic,

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but but but similar about about spirits. Okay, So when those two figures

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came to you in your mind in
your mind's eye, is that correct?

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Um? And but you saw their
forms, you know what they looked like

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and stuff? Um, where did
they live? What do you mean?

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Where they are they? So?
Like like like when they come to you,

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where did they come from? Uh
to talk to you? Like,

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like where do they like like do
they have their own pods? Somewhere?

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Are they in a house? They
they all gather on on the beast front,

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Like did they have a their own
home? Like? What happens there?

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Because I just believe from what I've
learned and tune into the other side

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is everyone every person has a different
idea of what their heaven is, and

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so when they get to the other
side, heaven looks vastly different for everybody.

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And heaven is just the term that
you know, we as humanity of

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coined for whatever lies on the other
side. Um, But it's it's different

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for everyone. So people go to
I would call them different layers or different

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realms based on their energy based on
their beliefs, based on a lot of

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different things. And so for those
two particular people, I'm not exactly sure

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where they were, but since the
two of them were together, you had

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the one who was remorseful and the
one who was Okay, Um, I

410
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480
don't believe that they were earth bound, you know, So they weren't stuck,

411
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,039
they weren't ghosts. They had crossed
over, but it was that one

412
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,160
still had a very very heavy heart
and probably wasn't able to enjoy the afterlife

413
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,960
because that pain and that regret and
that guilt was so heavy for him.

414
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,480
And so you will run into that
once in a while where people have been

415
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,599
on the other side for what's years
for us and maybe seconds for them,

416
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,839
like to them that trauma and that
yeah, it can be it can still

417
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,960
be new because time works differently over
there than it does here. Um.

418
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,920
So as far as where those two
came from, I don't know. I

419
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,359
would assume that they must have been
close to this woman or you know,

420
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,039
her family or whoever, because while
I was talking her, they came through.

421
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:43,160
So so, Um, what you
said is is that, um,

422
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:51,200
heaven is what we make it.
So if we have a vision of what

423
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,720
our heaven would be like it would
be like that most likely, Yeah,

424
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,599
I would be it would be a
better version of it. Yeah, really

425
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,319
what would your first b Oh gosh, that's a great question. I think

426
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,920
that I would probably have some cool
mini castle because I'll want an actual huge

427
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,239
place, but like a mini castle
by a by an ocean. Yeah,

428
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,480
beautiful weather all the time. I'd
be sporting barbecues because I love socializing.

429
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,519
So I have like the best coffee
nook. Actually, I want that here.

430
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,760
I don't want to wait till heaven
for that though, Well you can

431
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,360
do that. Mine is my my, my, my dream of of of

432
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:37,159
heaven would be um did you ever
see the movie um Um City of Angels

433
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,679
and Nicholas Gays? But yeah,
okay, so I would love that job.

434
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Only have feelings there you go.
Now, that would be heaven for

435
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:50,440
me doing that job as as the
angel just sort of when people are passing

436
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,840
over or when they're going through something
really big. That would be my That

437
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,719
would be my idea of heaven.
Well, and you could, because that's

438
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,119
what that's what spirit guides do.
You know, you could cross over and

439
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:05,639
you could sign up to be a
spirit guide and help people with their the

440
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,320
heavy life transitions that they go through. So yeah, so that that would

441
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,920
be my idea of heaven. Well, there's a few others, but we'll

442
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:22,719
keep it to them. There you
go. So, how do you teach

443
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:29,400
what you do? How do you
teach what you do? Yeah? Well,

444
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,559
I mean that's a loaded question because
basically, basically what I do is

445
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,400
when I'm working with people one on
one and they're wanting to learn how to

446
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:44,280
work with their psychic abilities, I
meet them where they are because everyone's at

447
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239
a different level. You know,
some people are just opening up. Some

448
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,000
people are actually very seasoned in their
abilities, but maybe they shut them down

449
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:57,000
for a while because of social pressures
or you know, the environment there and

450
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,719
whatever the cases. And so I
just meet them where they are, and

451
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,760
I want to learn more about their
experiences. I want to learn what they

452
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,119
love about being psychic, what they're
intimidated by, what their best what their

453
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,800
best experience has been as a psychic, And if they could create more of

454
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,440
one thing as a psychic in their
life, what would that be? You

455
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,400
know, would it be helping spirits
to crossover, would it be connecting with

456
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:27,320
loved ones on the other side,
would it be being able to tune into

457
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,679
the future, would it be healing
people, you know emotionally, Like,

458
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,039
everyone has a different ideal of how
they would use, you know, their

459
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,199
psychic powers. And I believe that
whatever you're most inclined to is what you

460
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,760
already have. You just have to
learn how to mold that and how to

461
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,840
groom it a little bit better.
And so I believe we all have different

462
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,800
psychic gifts. And once I find
out, once I'm able to really tune

463
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:59,480
into what someone wants to develop based
on what their purpose seems to be pushing

464
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,559
them to wards, that's when I'll
start to develop a plan for them.

465
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,519
So I don't really have a one
size fits all technique for anyone. It's

466
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:14,480
very custom and individualized for that person. A lot of times I will walk

467
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,920
them through guided meditations that I channel
as I'm working with them, so it's

468
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,159
not like anything pre made or pre
written. I'll tune into their energy and

469
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:28,440
just kind of see maybe what needs
to be healed or what needs to be

470
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:34,400
addressed. Because the thing, the
reality about being a psychic is a lot

471
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,400
of people make the psychic world about
the bells and whistles and the shiny objects,

472
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,599
and it's this amazing show. But
really, at its core, it's

473
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,320
about healing. It's about being better
people. It's about looking at our struggles

474
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,760
and being able to face them and
finding the courage and the faith and the

475
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,480
resilience to get through them with a
soft heart. And I think that's really

476
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:00,679
really difficult thing to do sometimes,
because you know, life beat us down.

477
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:05,440
Life can beat us down. And
so when you're able to tune into

478
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,519
your own psychic abilities and you're able
to enhance them and work with them,

479
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:13,960
you can, in fact, I
think build a better life for yourself.

480
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,559
Doesn't mean that you're not going to
go through hell to get it, but

481
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,960
you can build a better life for
yourself. And if you're talking about developing

482
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,239
your your your psychic and truitive of
course, right okay, yeah, and

483
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,639
then you can also teach other people
how to do the same because you've already

484
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:35,400
been through it. So psychic abilities
are wonderful, but they're not a means

485
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,199
to an end. They are a
tool to help us live our life here

486
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:46,400
on this physical plane because we're from
here. Okay, I absolutely agree what

487
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,920
you said about on this physical plane
and um, I agree with that,

488
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320
um, And we're here, we
have a purpose, we have a reason

489
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:01,360
or that we're here. Um,
okay. And what I noticed over my

490
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:07,719
career is that no matter what I'm
doing with someone, when I'm tuning into

491
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:14,519
them doing during the reading, It's
always been something that I have understood or

492
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:22,199
experienced myself. And the reason for
that is because regardless of where it's coming

493
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,320
from, it's coming through me.
And if it's spirits, I don't know

494
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,039
if it is or it isn't,
but but but but if it is or

495
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:36,519
the energy coming through me, they're
using my body, in my mind,

496
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:44,199
and and they can only speak and
use what is stored in my brain.

497
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:51,280
Um, and that would that is
restricted to what's in me. So I

498
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,880
can't see something in someone else unless
it's in me. Right, you agree

499
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,800
with that too, But I absolutely
agree with that. Yeah, we'll see

500
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:05,119
and see. I have this weird
theory that TV makes us better psychics,

501
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:07,199
and a lot of people would fight
with me on that because they talk about

502
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,960
how TV blinds your third eye,
and I'm like, you know, way,

503
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:16,159
give me. TV allows us to
have experiences that we will never have

504
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,079
in real life, Like I hope
to god I never have an actual die

505
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:22,840
Hard movie experience like I don't ever
want to go through that, right,

506
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:30,599
But there are a few movies I
would like. Star Wars would be rat

507
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,400
I'm all about that. That'd be
cool. I want to Wars. Yeah.

508
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:39,360
I would My other dream job to
two fantasies for me is I would

509
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:47,679
love to be um uh uh an
adviser to a ship's captain um like like

510
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,119
uh like like Diana Troy pardon,
oh, oh, you're talking about us.

511
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,000
Yeah, I would like the Enterprise, Yes, I oh, I

512
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,840
would love to be uh, you
know, ship's counselor on a starship.

513
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,280
That would be. That would be
my dream job, yep. And the

514
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,079
other one would be I would love
to meet a real beta zoid and take

515
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,519
psychic lessons from her, I suppose, and I hope us or her right

516
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,880
or her or him right, so
that that would be my second fantasy.

517
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,360
That'd be amazing. Yeah. Yeah, well, and see, I think

518
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,800
it's I think it's actually through those
wonderful stories that we see on television that

519
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,880
our minds are expanded. And when
you're an EmPATH or HSP, you empathize

520
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,920
with the characters and what they're going
through, even if you've ever been through

521
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,960
it yourself. And so I do
think that there's something to actually television being

522
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,760
an amazing tool because in a reading, you know, as you're as like

523
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,159
you were saying, spirit can only
work with the images and the understanding that

524
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,440
you have. Yeah, So if
spirits trying to show you something that you've

525
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,320
never been through before, they might
and this has happened to me, I

526
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,800
don't know if it's happened to you
before. They will show me a scene

527
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:05,079
from a TV show. You're far
more visual than than I am. You're

528
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,559
you're You're much more visual. For
me, it's just knowing and the words

529
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,599
come through, So I don't I
don't usually get those, you know,

530
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:16,159
Um, I don't get the really
happy scenes, and fortunately I don't get

531
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:21,119
the really awful ones either. It's
it's more of a thought and a feeling

532
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,599
rather than seeing. Yeah, I
get, I get all of it,

533
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,280
and it just I think it depends
on because I do work with with spirits,

534
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,719
though, I think a lot of
it has to do with, um,

535
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,679
how they like to communicate. So
if someone came comes through in a

536
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,360
reading and they were like this vivid
talker, then they're going to talk my

537
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
ear off and I'll tell my client, well, this person's a talker,

538
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,480
and they'll laugh and they'll be like, oh my gosh, yeah she was.

539
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,239
But then you'll have other spirits who
are super quiet and they don't say

540
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,800
much, and so I'll ask my
I'll ask my client, was this person

541
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,320
either very private or very shy and
they'll say yes. In the moment I

542
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,480
get the yes from them is when
they'll start to open up a little bit

543
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,480
more. But yeah, spirits keep
their personalities on the other side, So

544
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,880
if yeah, so, if they
were really quiet, those can be the

545
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,400
worst to do readings with because it's
fine and and and and the ones that

546
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,119
are quiet on this side also can
be really paying readings for right, Yeah,

547
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,960
because they're not they're not they're not
giving they're not giving off the energy.

548
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:28,880
Yeah, they're not. They're not
participating in their reading. And it's

549
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,079
like I don't want It's like I
don't want you to talk through the reading

550
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,320
because obviously I need to be able
to pull this information myself, but I

551
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,320
do need you to tell me yes
or no. Right, I'm on the

552
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,239
right path, absolutely, especially when
you ask for yeah, especially when you

553
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,760
ask for usually at that point I'm
begging, right, but please giving something?

554
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,280
Yeah, Yeah, put the energy. Yet, So what do you

555
00:43:53,400 --> 00:44:02,599
love the most about doing your job
and being you doing your job? What

556
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:07,840
do you love the most about it? Well, I love the thing I

557
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,719
love about me doing my job is
I feel like that's when I'm at my

558
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,199
most authentic self. That's when I'm
really Yeah, it's when I'm really in

559
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,960
tuned with my own spirit. It's
when I'm in tuned with the field,

560
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:24,760
with the spirit world, and it's
when I'm not even focused on myself.

561
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,920
It's when I get to focus on
someone else and help them through something.

562
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,280
And so it is, yeah,
absolutely, And so my favorite part about

563
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,920
the job that we do is hearing
the relief in someone's voice when that spirit

564
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,119
does come through, or hearing the
sigh of relief again when you tell them

565
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:52,119
things are going to be okay.
It's that relief or that that lightness that

566
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:59,199
you feel in their energy when you
realize that they have some hope now.

567
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,079
Because a lot of times, as
a psychic or as a medium, or

568
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,440
as a healer and whatever label you
want to put on there, we get

569
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:12,400
people who feel broken. They're not
broken, but they've something's happened in their

570
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,039
life that's convinced them that they are
broken, so they're not broken. They're

571
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,800
hurting, sure, they're in pain, but they're not broken. So being

572
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,199
able to work with these people and
help them to accept either the psychic selves,

573
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,039
the psychic part of themselves, or
the shadow part of themselves, or

574
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:34,360
whatever it is, and helping them
to integrate that more is very satisfying.

575
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,639
But also being able to be that
bridge to the other side, or to

576
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,480
be that person who has a phone
call into the future where I can put

577
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,480
out some tarot cards and give them
idea on where things are heading, is

578
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:54,320
very valuable and one of the things
too. I think that's been a very

579
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,000
important lesson for me as a medium. And this is what I tell all

580
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,559
of my students now that are developing
their psychic gifts and learning how to give

581
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:10,920
psychic gredients. Is the emotional response
of someone else is not your responsibility.

582
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,760
You are not responsible for how they
perceive, how they take, how they

583
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,000
use that information, or how they
behave with it afterwards. You are solely

584
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,280
responsible for delivering that message with the
most compassion and love possible. That is

585
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:31,360
all you have to do. What
they do with that afterwards is on them,

586
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,000
and when you're able to make that
distinction and when that really sinks in,

587
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,079
and when you give that person permission
to be responsible for themselves, it

588
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:45,400
takes a load off of you because
now you can function as the message giver

589
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,320
and you don't have to you don't
have to worry about anything else. That's

590
00:46:52,320 --> 00:47:00,679
an interesting concept. What is it
that you don't like about our job?

591
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,719
You like to make different? I
don't like the social stigma. I don't

592
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,159
like how people think that, well, if you're psychic, you should know.

593
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,599
It's like, that's not for breakfast, right, yeah, exactly,

594
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:22,199
it's like well, judging by your
breath onions. Um, but that's yeah.

595
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
I don't, I don't. That's
the thing I don't like the most

596
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,840
is the social stigma because it does
put a lot of unfair pressure on us,

597
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,280
and um, it keeps a lot
of people in the psychic closet,

598
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,800
so to speak, because they do
have gifts and they do have abilities,

599
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,280
and they're afraid of sharing that with
people because they think they're going to be

600
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,960
teased or they're afraid of being wrong, and those are all very valid concerns.

601
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,719
Um. So yeah, it's just
that whole people don't understand that when

602
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,679
you're psychic, you have you have
a sixth sense, And that's really all

603
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,440
most of us claim to have.
But people twist that and they start to

604
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,960
see us as if we have these
godlike powers. And it's like, well,

605
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,000
I've never claimed I was the God. I think we're all many gods

606
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,039
because we all come from sources.
But I don't. I don't. I'm

607
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:13,599
not going to take credit for creating
this planet in the universe, like,

608
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,320
that's not my thing. So so
that's the thing. Is like a lot

609
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:22,039
of people try to test us as
if they're testing God because they think we

610
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:23,519
should know everything. It's like,
well, I'm not. I'm not all

611
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:30,800
knowing. I wish I was,
and maybe not. And if you were

612
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,239
all knowing, you wouldn't be walking
on this planet. This is true,

613
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,639
Okay, you would be you would
be off somewhere else. Well, what

614
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,280
a what a struggle that would be
to be all knowing? Because all knowing,

615
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,800
like you know everything, What is
there left to learn? What is

616
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,159
there left to discover? Right?
Yeah? Yeah, right? And so

617
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,760
it just do you say God would
be all knowing? Well, is that

618
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,800
where the case would have nothing to
learn? Well, I don't think that

619
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,719
we could God become stale? What
would happen if you were praying it.

620
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:09,519
Please help me, I'm in a
pissing mood today. Do you think God

621
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,559
would do that? Well, according
to the Old Testament, Yeah, that's

622
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,400
exactly what it does. I don't
I don't think that. I don't think

623
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,639
any of us have the right idea
of what God is or isn't anyhow,

624
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,360
like my perception of God is.
I do believe that there's an energy that

625
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,119
holds everything together. I believe this
energy is intelligent. I believe this energy

626
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,079
creates because it loves to create.
It's meant to create. I think it

627
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,119
loves to learn. I think it
learns vicariously through all of us. I

628
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:45,119
think it's incredibly loving. But I
also think it's very complex, and I

629
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,440
think that within that energy field there
are other beings that we may call gods

630
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,360
or angels because we don't know how
else to identify them, and they seem

631
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,280
to be higher up on a hierarchy
than we are. Um. So you

632
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,280
know, I don't think that that
intelligent force that creates gets in a pissy

633
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,840
mood. I think it's just excited
all the time to be creating, kind

634
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,880
of like kind of like a kid
who hasn't in the supply of paper pens

635
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,840
and markers and paint. It's just
like going crazy with the markers and creating

636
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,079
all the time. So yeah,
okay, So so God doesn't get in

637
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,920
a pissing merrit, I don't.
I don't think okay, okay, God

638
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,400
is God punishing? Do you think
God cares? I don't you think gods

639
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:32,199
like like the guy at the top, like the guy at the top of

640
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:39,119
the pyramid of all creation. Do
you think God cares about individual um one

641
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,840
on one? Do you think that
that would become personal for God? Well?

642
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,119
I think that. Here here's here's
my weird belief on gods. Like

643
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,039
I said, I believe God is
an energy, So I think it's intelligent,

644
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,360
But I don't think it's sitting there
handing out judgments or anything but within

645
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,199
that creation because we're a creation of
that energy, and so there's going to

646
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,679
be other intelligent beings and life forms
and life forces that are also a creation

647
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,159
of that energy. And I think
that those different aliens or life forces or

648
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:14,679
wherever you want to call them,
can claim dominance over say like a universe

649
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,280
or something. So I think that's
why you know, in the Protestant Christian

650
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,880
Bible. You have a God which
is some type of being. It's not

651
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,000
the intelligent force that created everything,
but it's some type of being that's like,

652
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,800
hey, I'm better than all the
other gods. You gotta listen to

653
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:37,199
me, you know, everybody.
It's not though, because when you when

654
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,920
you look at different faiths, when
you look at um like Hinduism and and

655
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,559
you know the Roman gods and everything, there there were a lot of different

656
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:52,239
gods. And so you had the
gods that were very loving and forgiving and

657
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,000
compassionate, but then you had the
other ones that were more um, you

658
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,480
know, dominating. So there's there's
this wide range of different gods that have

659
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:09,559
different um personality personalities attributed to them
and without different qualities. And so I

660
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:15,880
think that's and I think that what
people were believing to be God, we're

661
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,760
probably I mean, I don't want
to get too weird, but probably some

662
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,079
type of aliens or you know that
we know that they weren't of this planet,

663
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,559
and I do believe that they existed
somewhere and we had contact with them

664
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,480
at some point in time, and
and I think that's where a lot of

665
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,360
these stories come from. So you
know a lot of what we have from

666
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,840
the Bible and from different older texts
are exaggerated stories, but they are I

667
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,119
think a lot of them are based
on something that happened, but it was

668
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:47,039
I don't know. But there's a
movie it's a joke, but but I

669
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:51,840
think it's called The Gods Must Be
Crazy, Okay, And it's a story

670
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,639
about this guy flying a biplane.
You know, there was open and he's

671
00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,440
flying along and he's going over the
planes in Africa, and he's drinking from

672
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,559
a bottle of coke and he throws
the bottle at the window or over the

673
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,679
side of the plane, right,
and it lands in front of the bushman.

674
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:14,159
The bushman has never seen the bottle
before, right, and he looks

675
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,280
at it and because he saw it
come down from heaven, and then he

676
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,639
took it back to his tribe.
And then the story goes from that point

677
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:28,320
onward how all the different people interpreted
the purpose of the coke bottle, of

678
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,840
the bottle. And then there's another
episode in the next generation where the Enterprise

679
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:43,639
goes into this lesser developed place and
they're hiding because they're observing the culture,

680
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:49,000
and then they get recognized. So
Piccard decides he's going to come down and

681
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:55,360
explain what has happened to these people. And these people thought that Picard was

682
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:00,880
God right because of what he did
and what he was doing. Yeah,

683
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:08,519
and each person in that group or
in that species had a different impression of

684
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:15,039
how they could deal with the piccard. And some were violent and you had

685
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,920
to do this because that's what the
piccard wants. Some were gentle and loving

686
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,719
because that's what the Picard wanted,
and the real Picard was going, holy

687
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,360
shit, that's not I'm not that
person. I'm not got And I think

688
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:37,159
I think that's probably pretty close to
what's actually happened, you know. I

689
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,159
mean I could be wrong, but
I think that, Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

690
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:51,639
Now you've come from a very strict, um, narrow minded um religious

691
00:54:51,679 --> 00:55:00,519
background. Yes, what caused you
to be able to get away? And

692
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,360
because you were getting away from what
you were taught and you were risking hell

693
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:13,639
and damnation for doing that, what
gots you have? Thank you? Well?

694
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,440
I didn't like who I was as
a Christian, so I think that

695
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,800
was a big part of it.
I just didn't like who I was,

696
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:24,159
you know, Christian. The type
of Christians that I were around were very

697
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,519
judgmental, even though they preached love
and not yes to be judge yourself,

698
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,199
right, yeah, and and I
mean we have to be honest. Like

699
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,880
there's there's a certain amount of judging
that is good because if you don't have

700
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,840
a good head on your shoulders and
you're not judging, you know, a

701
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,000
situation and people's characters, that can
get you into some really badswers. Incidentally,

702
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:52,920
incidentally, when you're judgmental, basically
what you've done is formed an opinion.

703
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:59,519
So, Nicole, I have judged
you. I've judged you you were

704
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,280
really great person, right, but
I've judged you because because so as soon

705
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,440
as we have an opinion, we've
made a judgment, it doesn't have to

706
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,800
be negative. Okay, right,
yeah, yeah, this is true.

707
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,519
Um, But the type of Christians
I was around, they were they were

708
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,000
very negative and so you know,
they believed that, you know, they

709
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,679
were the like you were saying,
the Turner Burne type of Christians. And

710
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,199
so that's what I grew up with, and I got away from that.

711
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,760
I tried to get away from that
when I became a young adult and got

712
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,719
kind of pulled back into it because
it's what I was programmed for. That's

713
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,719
right. Yeah, And um,
so I went through a season in my

714
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,480
life where everything was going wrong.
I had lost my job, my condo

715
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,719
was going into foreclosure. Um,
some of my Christian friends had, you

716
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,599
know, turned on me in the
most vicious ways. Um, the guy

717
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,559
I was seeing ended up cheating on
me. It was just like all this

718
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:57,199
stuff happening at once, and I
was just like, where is God in

719
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,880
this? And I was exhausted because
it was like I was one of those

720
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:06,719
evangelists that were knocking on doors every
Tuesday night. You were doing that,

721
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,639
did you get like spit on and
yelled at? And oh I never,

722
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,880
I mean I would get people would
roll their eyes and be like, oh

723
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,079
god, you know that sort of
a thing. But what was interesting,

724
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,159
though, this is really cool.
What was interesting is I always knew because

725
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:24,360
I went in groups, I wasn't
by myself. So I went of course,

726
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,760
of course, and I always knew
which house was going to accept Jesus

727
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,079
Christ as their personal God and say
you are, so we would pull into

728
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,119
the neighborhood. I be like that
house, we got to go to that

729
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,880
house right now? Okay. And
so it was funny is like when people

730
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,719
first started working with me, they
were like this girl's nuts and so um.

731
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,280
So we would make our rounds because
we had this very distinct pattern that

732
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,400
we followed, and they call the
sack or whatever, we have to go

733
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,840
to the house, not because Yeah, so we'd finally get to that house

734
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,159
and low and behold, you know. So yeah, so I was always

735
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:05,400
right. I was never ever ever
wrung. Yeah, I guess so well.

736
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:13,400
They so they learned to listen to
me. And then when we started

737
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,679
going places, and I was like, that house, that was the first

738
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,000
one we wait to hit. Because
what ended up happening one time is I

739
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,280
kept feeling this urgency like we're supposed
to be at that house. We're supposed

740
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,159
to be the right now. They're
like, show, we're going to be

741
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:25,800
there in like, you know,
ten minutes. Well, during those ten

742
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,199
minutes, the people that lived in
that house got in the car and left.

743
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:35,599
So after that, when I start
seeing certain houses like with the little

744
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:37,320
blow and the little Aura, and
I was like, that's the one they

745
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:45,079
started feeling. So you know,
here I was doing all this stuff for

746
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,159
the church and for ministries and for
God and for Jesus, and I was

747
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:51,280
praying all the time and memorizing scripture
and my whole life was going to hell,

748
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,880
and I was like, this is
hell, Like this right here is

749
00:58:53,960 --> 00:59:01,079
hell. So something's not making sense. And um, I ended up getting

750
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,119
so desperate just to have some relief
from the depression and everything that I was

751
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,320
feeling that I turned to meditation because
I was in an online forum and that's

752
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,639
what they were talking about, like
meditation can help a lot with depression.

753
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:16,719
And I was scared to death of
meditating because I'd been told that was demonic,

754
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,320
and so like, I decided I
was going to try it. I

755
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,440
was so afraid I was going to
be demon possessed, but I was like,

756
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:29,719
I gotta try something. So I
tried this guided meditation and it helped.

757
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,320
It helped a lot. And what
was interesting was, you know,

758
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,039
and keep in mind, at this
point, I have no idea what clairvoyance

759
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,840
is, Claire audience, because I
haven't been taught any of that. Yeah,

760
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,000
but when I closed my eyes to
meditate and followed the story of you

761
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:46,280
know, you're walking by this beach, you're in a blue lagoon, I

762
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:52,599
was able to see everything very clearly. And in that meditation you were supposed

763
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:54,840
to just see a beach, but
in that meditation, I ended up seeing

764
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,519
a man walking towards me, and
he had this dog, and I fell

765
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:04,239
in love with the dog, and
so I got I'm excited about this dog

766
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,159
and this meditation. So I started
talking to the dog, and then the

767
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,639
guy comes up and starts talking to
me. It was interesting, is that

768
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:13,280
was just like my mind or whatever
doing its own thing, because you weren't

769
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,039
supposed to meet anyone in that meditation. And so later on when I started

770
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:20,239
talking to people about it, they're
like, that sounds like you met a

771
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,360
spirit guide. And I'm like,
well, what's a spirit guide? And

772
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,119
so from there it just kind of
unraveled from unfolded from there. And I

773
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:35,320
do remember. I do remember one
day where I my house had gone into

774
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:43,039
foreclosure and I was back at my
parent's house. That's just awful, it

775
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,320
is. Yeah, I lost so
many of my things because I didn't you

776
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,639
know, I couldn't put it in
storage or anything. So looking back with

777
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:55,400
my parents in their molden fested house, and one day I just said to,

778
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,159
you know, to God or whatever
was out there, I'm like,

779
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,400
if there's more to this than what
I see, I want to sign.

780
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:07,159
I want to know, like if
this isn't the right path, I need

781
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,760
to sign yeah and um and I
said that so sincerely, And it was

782
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,159
like the next day I woke up
and I just felt different, and it

783
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:21,480
was like there was this inner knowing
of what the right path was. And

784
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:27,199
so it was through that prayer that
something was able to open up in me

785
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:32,639
and I was able to kind of
start the process of leaving the Turner Burn

786
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,880
religion behind me. And it took
years to be able to you know,

787
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:44,079
shed that for good. But yeah, that's that's kind of how that that

788
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,039
unfolded. So it was really through
depression, I guess you could say that

789
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:52,280
I found enlightenment and then just asking, like I said, gotten whatever was

790
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,639
out there, like hey, if
I'm missing something, if there's more,

791
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:59,760
if this is wrong, like show
me, and the next day just having

792
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:05,559
some form of clarity. Over over
my lifetime, I have had issues with

793
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:13,800
Christians and shocking yes and and um. So so I was performing beings,

794
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,119
I was doing psychic things and live
performances in the nineteen seventies and that was

795
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,400
back in the I was definitely not
popular back then. Oh no, and

796
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:27,760
and and and Christians, certain Christians
believed that they had the result they had

797
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,639
the right to interfere with my ability
to make a living. Yea, and

798
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,199
they would they would yeah, and
and and they would protest at a radio

799
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:42,639
station I would be at, or
if I was doing a live performance,

800
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,719
um, they would show up and
make so much noise I couldn't perform,

801
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,880
and and and things like that,
like they would override me. Uh,

802
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,199
you know, things like that.
Um. And I had been afraid of

803
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,960
Christians and disliked them very much,
in spite of the fact that I had

804
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:07,280
had some spiritual connections and around Christianity. On my very first podcast, the

805
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:15,079
very first one, the producer Michelle
recommended I have these two guys on the

806
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,639
show, and it was the two
mics East Coast Mike, West Coast Mike.

807
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,039
And these guys are Christians there there, they're pastors. They've been around

808
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,679
like like for twenty five thirty years, and I was really afraid to have

809
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,159
them on because of my relationship with
Christians. And these guys but they're also

810
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:37,320
behavioralists and they they're very well educated
in other areas, and I was really

811
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,920
afraid and nervous with them most of
the time. And then finally I confessed

812
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,639
that I was afraid of Christians,
and I told them why and instead of

813
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:52,039
the stick that they had, the
two of them both got very very serious

814
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:55,679
and East Coast Mike said to me, he said, we're just just settled

815
01:03:55,719 --> 01:04:03,440
down here, and he said,
what happened to you is there is the

816
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:10,320
business of the church, and then
there is the spirituality of the church.

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And the business church is the part
that hurt you and have hurt a lot

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01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:25,079
of people. And it's the spiritual
side of the church that would not do

819
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:30,159
that to you. And I thought
about it more and more and from that

820
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,159
podcast, well, I'm not a
Christian and I'm not going to be one.

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01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:43,360
I had a different relationship with Jesus, and I separated Jesus and Christians,

822
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:46,880
and I had a different connection and
saw things very differently. It was

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01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,920
a very healing experience. And it's
interesting that you mentioned that because a lot

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,920
of the people that I work with, whether it's giving them a psycho Gredian

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01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:01,039
or mentoring, a lot of them
have that Christian ground and they do walk

826
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:06,119
away from the church so they can
keep their faith in Christ and so they

827
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:11,400
do recognize that the Church, whatever
it is supposed to be, that's not

828
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,360
what it is anymore, and so
to protect their own spiritual faith in their

829
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,760
sanity, they have to walk away. So, yeah, what a fascinating

830
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:27,079
interview and talk that we have had
today. It's great, how wonderful.

831
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,440
And this is our second one,
you know, and it's even better than

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01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:34,519
the first. So how do people
get hold of you? If they want

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01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:41,760
your teaching, your guidance, you're
reading, your spirituality, or just want

834
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,320
to see your pretty face? How
do they get in touch with you?

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01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:50,559
There's a few different ways. So
they can my web they can visit they

836
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:54,840
can visit my website. I mustit
their website. They can visit my website

837
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,519
at guiding Echoes dot com. Um. My most active communities though, are

838
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:03,360
on you tube and on Facebook.
So on YouTube every Monday I release a

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,280
new video, and lately I've been
doing a series that teaches people how to

840
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,840
connect with their deceased loved ones on
the other side, and so that teaches

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01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,920
them how to do that. Even
if they're not psychic and they're not intuitive,

842
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,400
they can still learn how to do
it. So that's been my recent

843
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:24,639
series on YouTube. And then they
can also follow me on Facebook and Instagram,

844
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,800
and the handles on that are always
going to be guiding echos. And

845
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,920
by the way, Instagram has had
a huge problem with people impersonating psychics,

846
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,519
and so I am guiding echoes.
There's not going to be an underscore,

847
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,960
there's not going to be an additional
s in my name. It's going to

848
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,960
be at guiding echoes that will be
spelled correctly. Because scammers are recreating different

849
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,639
profiles and so they're adjusting the names, and so people will go to the

850
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:57,519
fake guiding echoes thinking it's me,
but the real guiding echos is at guiding

851
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:00,119
Echoes and it to spell correctly.
So there you go. That's athaking contact

852
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:08,360
to me. It has been a
delight, thank you, thank you as

853
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,679
wonderful to be here. Wow.
That brings us to the end of another

854
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,920
really special, exciting and happy episode
of My side of the Crystal Ball.

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:21,119
I'd like to thank my guest tonight, Nicole Antinette, for her positive or

856
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:29,800
happy, cheery self and her a
special awareness of her abilities, her skills

857
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:34,119
and how generous she is and the
way she shares it. Before I say

858
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:39,039
goodbye, I just have a couple
of those old requests. If you're watching

859
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:44,320
us on YouTube, could you please
like and comment and subscribe to our channel.

860
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:47,039
You know, subscribe to our channel
and gives us a higher rating in

861
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:50,920
the alpha rhythms, and that brings
more people to us, and then we

862
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:57,800
can do bigger and better and more
podcasts for us. Make a comment and

863
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,239
once again that gives us more energy, more attention, the more comments to

864
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,760
higher the ratings. Again, so
like comment and subscribe to our channel.

865
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:12,159
I really appreciate that. Incidentally,
you can find our podcast on Apple,

866
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,680
Spotify, or pretty much anywhere else
where you get or hear your podcasts.

867
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:20,560
If you'd like to find me personally, you can find me on my website

868
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:29,000
www dot Robert Lindsay Milne dot com. And now, just before I say

869
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,600
goodbye, i'd like to share this
with you. Do good, stay safe,

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01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:56,840
and above all, just be kind. Good Night, everybody,