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You. Chilly Effect is sponsored by
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like you, Yeah and the check
May sixteen, twenty three, allegedly according

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to that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the show you're

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looking for. How do I know
that because you're hearing me say what I'm

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saying. Anyway, Tuesday, Tuesday, second broadcast day of the week for

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the network. Now, yesterday we
did not get a get mad with Chris

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Graves, but look, things happen. He had a guest call things off.

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That's just been the uh, I
don't know the coin of the realm

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lately. Uh, guests not showing
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And not him, I mean me
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spread to Chris. So he will
be back tomorrow, I believe with something

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of interest, I'm sure, And
you never know what direction he's going to

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come from anyhow. In meantime,
I'm coming back around and bringing things to

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the table as fast as I can. Yesterday's podcast only released so far on

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the regular podcatchers. I haven't put
it up on the website, but thought

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it was an interesting discussion with Mike
Wallack. So anyway, if you're catching

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this through the various feeds. I
mean, you don't care yesterday, today,

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another day. You can put them
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be listening anytime. But as I
speak to you, we are just about

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six minutes after eight pm Eastern,
okay, in what they used to call

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the United States, on Tuesday,
the sixteenth day of May twenty three.

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All right, with all that in
mind, you know, last week I

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got a lot of feedback from a
reappearance, if you will, I'm an

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old friend, and what I heard
was, man, am I glad to

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hear Pierce Redmond back because we hadn't
heard from Porkins in a while, And

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you guys are an interesting combination and
when you get together, it's an interesting

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team effort. I agree. So
therefore Pierce Redman is back with me.

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Of course, Porkins Policy, Porkin's
Policy Review, all of that longstanding podcast,

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however, not seriously active lately.
I have this idea that maybe Pierce

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is going to be a little more
active soon. Not sure, not sure,

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because life always gets in the way, as we well known. Well

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no, but hey, you never
can tell. Is that in the works?

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Pierce? As I get into a
couple of odd things. And by

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the way, we're gonna talk a
little bit about the swag program that we're

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gonna be running the campaign of you
will prochelly dot com because Pierce played a

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serious role in it the last time
we did it, so maybe we'll recruit

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him to do so again. Pierce. Yeah, I would say the time.

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I mean, I would say I've
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you know today included than I have
in you know, I was I finally

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posted are the episode we did was
this last week or two weeks ago?

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Now I can't even I'm not sure
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before. Yeah, but I just
ended. I just got around to posting

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it today onto onto my website.
And um, I mean, it's been

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a while since I posted anything.
I want to say. I'm just scrolling

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back. The last thing I posted
was twenty twenty one, Wow, and

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that was me and you talking about
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documents in South Park or something or
you know, so it was a while

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ago, who knows. Yeah,
the last thing that I posted I titled

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its cyber beating dead Horses, which
which is a reference to the trouble I

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got into with Jeffrey Epstein on YouTube
and I posted that on the third.

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So yeah, I guess that's uh
about two weeks almost two weeks ago.

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So okay, good enough, and
odd that the last thing you posted on

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your website before that was a couple
of years back, already twenty twenty one.

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You know, I think that I
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we might have like recorded some stuff
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didn't post it. Well. I
always love to get your take on various

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things in global politico if you will, um, because you always have a

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fascinating view on it. Your analysis
is always interesting, that's for sure.

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Now, if you guys look at
the graphic from the last show and every

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show that I put out with Pierce
on it, I always have this thing

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where he's posing with the o'chelly dot
com hat, and that along with your

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with that piece of artwork that I
think was what was that a fan piece

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of artwork at some point, Emma, oh, is your sister did yeah?

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Oh okay, that's right, that's
right. Now it does come back

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and your sister did this. There's
another there's another logo that I was using,

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uh for a while. Um,
that Errand designed, right, and

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that's the that's the other Porkins policy. Oh is that the one that we

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adapted into the show template probably yeah, yeah, yeah, with like the

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UM I'm trying to find it now, I'm sure I could, but you

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know, if you if you look
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will be able to find it.
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like this very orange had a very
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of like a city scape, I
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one that I'm talking about is the
one where he's outfitted very much like the

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Porkins character in Star Wars, with
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Suggestive not really even you know,
you're probably not going to be in trouble

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for like intellectual properties or whatever.
I had a recent issue with that,

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trying to get playing cards made for
the show where because I have a nomage

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to a Godfather graphic that I've been
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uh you know I have that.
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as a South Park character that I
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these things infringe upon the intellectual properties
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over to China. They don't give
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some of the new swag coming up. Now. The reason why I brought

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up the hat is just because we're
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the one that Pierce is modeling in
that picture. That design is no more,

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but the newer designs uh. In
fact, there's only gonna be one

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or two of a kind in the
first run of the hats. Not only

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that, but we're gonna have a
hat design for each of the shows on

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the network, approved by the artist
and the podcasters. Um, that you'll

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get as a thank you for supporting
the network. So we're gonna come back

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around with it now. Last time
it was thirty bucks, but inflation since

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twenty twenty one. Okay, um, guess what it's It's fifty bucks and

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you get a hat plush. So
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nice metal fountain pen or or maybe
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is you want to put in.
I'm going to select you're added extra items

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because they're all in limited run.
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a piece, and each of the
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different, although they have the different
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logo. One of them has the
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you know, the website's header,
which is the same kind that Pierce

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has, but the hat is very
different. Some of them are trucker hats,

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some of them are padded, some
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They're all a little different because I've
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almost none of them printed in America
because of costs. Okay, so they're

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printed all over Asia everywhere from Singapore
to uh well to China directly. I've

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had these things sampled and now we
have an inventory building of a bunch of

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these hats. So support any show
you want, and yeah, beginning at

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chipping in at fifty bucks. Uh
and that's the way it's gonna go.

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And there are shirts, there are
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very few uh sets of playing cards
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Uh So there's a bunch of things
that could be in your little grab

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bag depending on the level. Also
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the new metal pens, and maybe
the plastic ones. I haven't ordered

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plastic ones in a while. Pierce
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um and I do have a handful
of them. Just put aside for

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you the last ones. Sweatshirts too. Yeah, there's a sweatshirts, all

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kinds of stuff I'm making that you'll
have randomly inserted along with your thank you

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gifts. So honestly, uh,
fifty bucks not a bad starting level and

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you'll get stuff for it, So
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also going to be printed aces of
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as well. Bunch of stuff like
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packages, and everybody's package will be
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unique swag bag, if you will. And some of them might actually be

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in swag bags that have logos on
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a grocery shopping or whatever. You
know, when you go in and get

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your bag discount for using your recycled
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sou bunch of stuff like that,
and that's what's going to happen over the

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next couple of months. Anyway,
now that I've done a massive, large

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plug for the show, back to
it. Pierce started this whole thing though,

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because I want you guys, when
you get your hats, when you

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get your stuff, send me pictures
and we're gonna distribute them on the Instagram

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and the twitters of the show hosts. If you get a get mad a

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hat or whatever, if you get
a Age of Transitions hat or an Uncle

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hat, show us your hat,
where your hat, take a picture of

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yourself, whatever. Put it on
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kids, your dogs, whatever you
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and we're going to circulate him as
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promote supporting the network. So and
we did that last time, and we

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started with Pierce like he got a
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model and then built off it.
You remember that the little collages. Yes,

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no, no, indeed, So
we're doing that. That is back

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as of now, so um and
hopefully there'll be a whole web page devoted

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to it and all that and some
other goodies are going to come up later

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in the year. But there you
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to selling merch exactly. We're gonna
go to giving you thank you gifts for

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chipping in supporting and keeping us live. So that's the way it's gonna go.

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All right, all that aside,
let's get back to business, because,

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as I said, I really missed
your analysis on a great many things.

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And I'm curious what you're paying attention
to while you're not strictly having to

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create new content constantly. What is
catching your attention lately? I mean,

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is it the uh the circus that
is the Biden administration? Are you are

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you into Oh oh, you got
the new report? Right? What is

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that? The Durham report came out, so you must be interested in that,

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right, Yeah, really that's my
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I've I've been uma. I you
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presidency more than any other presidency,
probably aside from when I was like a

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child and truly didn't have to care. Um, so that has not been

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like a top priority for me in
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would I you know, I was, I was rattling off a few of

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the stories and stuff I thought we
could touch on. I'll just briefly say,

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you know, one thing that I
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stepped away from you know, the
Epstein stuff, I still I will always,

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you know, uh take the time
every couple of months to just google

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his name and just see what's in
the news. But something that caught my

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eye yesterday was a headline. This
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from the Guardian, and I will
all drop it in the chat as well

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if anyone is uh is there.
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eye and it's Elon Musk subpoena over
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Un you know, hang on,
hang on a second, because I love

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this because Elon Musk, while you
were sort of away, peers, Elon

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Musk became an even more divisive figure. Now. I know. I had

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been playing around with the you know, the guy artist in Lope that was

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on Aaron Show, and we were
doing little reports on what Elon Musk is

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up to and SpaceX and what the
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etcetera. Right, um, he
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while you were away buying Twitter for
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now this week, big announcement.
Right, he's got a new CEO that

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he's gonna put in charge, Yes, because he's gonna be yeah, former

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executive at NBC, right, former
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who's going to actually handle the day
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into another prominent role there. I
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or something. I kind of something
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he yeah, but you know,
it's also all these reports of you know,

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he wants to be very hands off, but he is, you know,

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so obsessed with micromanaging everything. I
saw some some some headline about you

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know, he wants to approve anyone
and everyone that's hired UM at his companies

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right now, Alan, which is
an insane thing if you think about a

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large some of these um companies he
owns, and the vast amount of people

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that are probably hired and fired on
a daily basis for him too. Yeah,

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and billionaire Look, billionaires getting this
involved in the micromanagement of anything,

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whether it's Twitter or otherwise. It
is kind of strange because usually these are

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the guys that are hands off,
stand back, and you know, when

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stuff goes to court it's almost always
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going on, you know, day
to day operations. I'm the head of

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the company. How would I know
what's going on? And that's usually the

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standard. Fair. But what's weird
to me with Musk is that he became

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this either a villain or a hero
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right. I mean, the guy
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that's not quite the pop culture,
you know, a piece of street cred

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that it used to be. But
still he shows up to host Saturday Night

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Live. He's a big deal.
Everybody's talking about it. Well still it

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still it has you know, Look, it's carries some gravitas, right,

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but it's not exactly the thing it
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is this the strangeness with which we
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media deciding that certain people are either
heroes or villains, alongside of what the

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MSM does. Now. I gotta
tell you, we could get into Tucker

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Carlson if we have enough time,
but I'm only going to take an hour

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with you today. Okay, so
I don't know if we're gonna get there,

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but I mean Tucker Carlson, right, being embraced by the alleged ault

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media, who is ready set go
for the right wing, you know,

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sitting there and now he's gonna come
out and he's gonna be on Twitter and

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do exactly what I said he would
do, which goes to begin to invade

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independent media space. Right. He's
not signing a contract, he's not going

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to do the you know, startup
a website and bill O'Reilly route of the

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no spin news. He's coming out
and he's going to invade independent media's territory

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by coming out with a no frills
here I am, I'm presenting some thing

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on Twitter allegedly. Um and Elon, is there any sense of what that

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will even look like? Well,
Beau, is it just him going to

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be tweeting constantly? Is it?
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you know, see, here's the
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else with the Twitter spaces and spaces. I just saw that today. He

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saw Elon Musk being interviewed today on
it him right, Well, but what

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it is is that a lot of
podcasters now also have the option to broadcast

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live or to share their podcast through
Twitter. See Twitter is morphing into something

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else where. It's becoming not just
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Right. So a lot of indie
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are putting their stuff out either primarily
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in the many places that they broadcast, right, So this is turning into

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something else. I mean, sort
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You know, it's actually working.
People are tuning in that Facebook Live thing

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as you know, good of an
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catch on because you know, Grandpa
can't figure it out. But Twitter is

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a little more for younger people.
So independent media people have been embracing it,

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using it as a platform going out
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live. And there is no contract
required. You can do it basically for

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free. I mean, you know
they want you to pay for the blue

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check mark and all that, but
nonetheless you can do it for free.

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You can do it right now,
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Twitter and then it comes up on
people's speeds. Now, there's no contract,

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there's no agreement that I know ab
outside of your user agreement with Twitter

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and Elon Musk even made that clear
immediately after Tucker came out and made his

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declaration. Right, Hey, I've
been inside the mainstream media and I know

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the deception, so I'm here to
tell you, you know, basically making

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his I'm an alternative media person case
pleading for it now on Twitter he did

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an official announcement, but that means
that he's going to be able to go

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out and do that. And Musk
even came alongside of him to say,

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hey, look, he's not gonna
get any special treatment. He's like everybody

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else, selling it as now not
only I mean now, we're really looking

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at a town square because it's not
only just the social media limited to so

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many characters, you know, tex
tweets, share your videos, make your

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videos, make your podcast here,
it's going to become a catchall and it's

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evolving. Now. All of that's
going on, and yes, indeed there

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are people saying that, you know, Musk again being embraced by the alternative.

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They're saying that Musk is one of
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who is actually on the right side
of things, who is you know,

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not going to allow it to fall
into liberal media's hands like everything else

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you know, it's not quite truth
social, but it's going to be something

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new because of the vision of Eli
on Musk and I find it very strange

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who they're embracing as yet again another
hero. Like I said, Tucker Carlson's

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a new hero and he's gonna go
do his thing on Twitter now, which,

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by the way, probably doesn't violate
any of his no compete causes,

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you know what I mean, because
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canceled his show. But if he
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well, that's not really an agreement
with a media company per se, because

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how do you classify Twitter at this
point? It's not you know, it's

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not like you went to a competing
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He didn't go to CNN, right, he didn't go to ABCNBC,

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you know, the whole alphabet.
He's going to Twitter to do his things.

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So this is actually something different.
You could argue that it doesn't even

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violate any sort of competition clauses in
his contracts or anything else, which I

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find interesting. But even stranger is
he laid the groundwork his cred if he

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will street cred was being established with
the whole you know JFK. Okay,

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the CIA was involved in JFK's murder. Good Night everybody, you know,

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and a couple other things. He
said, you know, maybe we should

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question the vaccines. Good night everybody. He laid that ground work before getting

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dismissed by Fox, which allegedly was
over these you know tweets coming out during

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the lawsuit there with dominion right.
I find it very interesting that he's being

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embraced as a new hero among the
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and so is Tucker Carlson, when
meanwhile, how do you get more

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establishment than Tucker Carlson. But anyway, so now your hero billionaire yet another

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one. Hey, maybe he should
run for office. I don't know if

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that's coming, but who knows,
right, Oh, at some point,

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I'm sure that you know, Trump
is in many ways to sort of opened

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the door for that sort of celebrity
businessman. You know, imagine this is

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an unstable team about Trump and Musk, and it's a ticket and you know

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what, you don't like me,
Musk will be my vice president, even

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though wasn't. Musk was the one
that sort of walked away from Trump early

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on right, well, yeah,
but alliances, look, loyalty doesn't really

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matter, doesn't No, No,
of course not yeah, yeah, I

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mean no, no, yeah,
And I guess just to again, just

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to put it all into contexts this, you know Musk the savior is uh

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is being subpoenaed by the US Virgin
Islands because of uh, you know that

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for information I think relating to you
know Epstein in particular, but that the

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uh, it is believed that Epstein
may have referred or attempted to refer Elon

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Musk to JP Morgan as a client
and uh, which in and of itself

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is maybe not the most uh um, I don't know, like fascinating aspect,

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but it did just remind me of
the fact that Elon Musk's brother,

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Kimball Musk, was apparently dating a
woman for a year, uh, and

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that was introduced to him by Jeffrey
Epstein. There are the pictures of Gillain

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Maxwell and uh Elon Musk at parties, which you know must claim she just

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photo bombed. Um. There's his
ex wife to Lila Riley talking about going

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over to Epstein's house. Rumors that
Epstein had a you know, private tour

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of SpaceX so you know, it's
just one of those It piqued my interest.

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I know that last last time I
was on, we were talking about,

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you know, what's the big story
going to be, and there were

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a lot of people, you know, they keep talking about this, there's

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gonna be this big bombshell, this
big bombshell, and I don't know that

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this is No, I don't think
so either. But there, I mean,

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it's I think it's it's I don't
think that, yeah, that it's

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gonna be like oh Musk and him
or but I think that a bomb could

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just be or a a small bombshell
is just that Again, this guy is

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connected to everyone, even these supposed
heroes, you know, Elon Musks fighting

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against uh, you know, globalist
tyranny and you know, all this other

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stuff. And and he's hanging out
with Epstein. He's you know, I

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mean, so it's just he was
just sort of like another funny thing,

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you know, this idea that you
really think this person see what I okay,

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what I find stunning. And you
know me, I love to just

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you know, throw us into the
into the fire. As soon as the

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prying pan comes out, right,
let's just do it. Here's the thing

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you and I have known each other
for years, all right, Um,

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and I am not recommending you to
a bank, uh to do stuff.

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I mean, look if you ask
me too. I mean, I might

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vouch for you if you wanted to
put me down on your application for an

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apartment, and you might do the
same for me, but it would be

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a discussion. Uh. And you
and I have known each other for years,

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So you know what kind of relationship
does that imply if he's like giving

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his recommends to a bank. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah,

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I'm also I'm unclear as to you
know what how this even works? Like

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it? I don't know is Elon
Musk is it? Is it officially known

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that he is a client of JP
Morgan. As a client of JP Morgan,

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I mean this is I would assume
this is UH as a private individual.

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This is not you know, they're
not managing his money. They're not

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managing the company. They're they're managing
Elon Musk's money. Right, Um,

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so yeah, I don't I mean
it would be I would be interested to

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know if anyone, if anyone does
know, uh, you know, let

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us uh, let us know.
Well it's such a broad well see but

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that's the thing. It's such a
broad based, uh declaration. Right,

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Are we talking about his private money? Are we talking about his side projects?

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Are we talking about the very complex
uh you know area the world of

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loans? Because remember when he bought
twit or for what was it? I

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mean how many billions of dollars forty
and forty billion dollars or whatever. It's

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not all his money, So he
had to get money from somewhere. I

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mean, the bank at some point
gets involved there. If you're funneling investment

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money of that size, I mean, you can't do it, you know,

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by yourself going and collecting checks door
to door. Um, you know

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what I'm saying. So what are
we talking about? Are we talking about

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them helping or being involved with that? Or do we know that the guy

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even has a bank account with them? I mean, do we know any

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of that? And if so,
what does this mean? I mean,

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is this is I mean, it's
open questions unless I'm wrong. What do

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you think? Oh no, yeah, I have in the fiestad. Yeah.

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I think it's just more Uh,
it's just more indicative of the the

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story as it continues to sort of
very slowly unravel with Epstein that you.

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I mean, it's even this,
it's it's unclear as to what is what

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are they really looking for? You
know, is you know, is the

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um the government of the Virgin Islands
simply on a you know, to quote

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like law and order a fishing expedition. You know, is this are they

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I don't know, I'm not sure
what exactly they are trying I think what

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they're really trying to do is just
get more information. Well, doesn't have

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anything to do with the standing lawsuit, because there was supposed to be Well

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it does. Yeah, this is
all part of this is all part of

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the Virgin Islands um you know UH
lawsuit UH involving Epstein, involving um,

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you know, money that's owed the
victims and the connection between JP Morgan and

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the the the notion that JP Morgan
was covering for him. So this is

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all connected to the victims who are
seeking some sort of restitution from his estate

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via the things that are held in
the Virgin Islands in right, I believe.

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So I think that that is that
is ultimately what this is all stemming

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from. Uh. And and this
is why, you know, the Virgin

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Islands has been very aggressive in subpoenaing
lots of people, lots of lots of

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very rich people, lots of wealthy
bankers and people you know in that sort

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of world, along with apparently Elon
musk Well. And one wonders if this

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is a massive signal to those that
have used it as the quiet little shelter

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you know, to hide monies for
various reasons. Is this is a signal

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now, hey, look the party's
over in the Virgin Islands, because that's

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what seems to have happened every time
one of these lawsuits, you know,

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starts shedding light on stuff like this, right, is all of a sudden,

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it's like, oh, well,
can't go to that little tax shelter

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anymore, can't go to that place
where the US government doesn't look anymore,

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because they're going to start making things
public. Right. I mean, we've

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seen this repeatedly with these different especially
island nations. It seems like to me,

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maybe I'm wrong that you know,
become these havens for laundering money.

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I mean, let's just be blunt. Whether it's Russian oligarchs, or it's

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you know, the billionaire class,
or it's uh, you know, the

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various guys who have been involved in
different schemes, Ponzi schemes and whatnot.

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Or it's the uh the crypto guy. Oh, by the way, what's

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going on with the crypto guy?
Anybody check in on that lately? Uh,

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you know, the last crypto guy? Yeah, Sam Freeman. H

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you know, I'm just asking.
I'm not asking you, Pierce per Se.

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I'm just throwing things out here.
Um, I'm just saying, is

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that a signal though, to the
others that might be seeking to launder their

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money there? Or what? You
know? I mean, what does this

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mean? Yeah, I mean I
don't know. At the end of the

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day, probably nothing, you know. And uh, we talked about that

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a couple of weeks ago. I
didn't really think that this was I mean,

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it's not It is not particularly interesting, and I don't think it's,

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like I said, this is not
going to be the bombshell that we're all

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uh you know waiting for. Um. I think it's just it just it

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just proves how uh pervasive Epstein his
his influence in his reach with uh,

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pretty much everybody. You know.
Again, even this is even someone like

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Elon Musk, who who in at
least in public, he comes off as

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is he's so smart, he's ahead
of the curve on everything. He's he's

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warning us about you know, Skynet
taking over and you know AI and we've

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got to colonize Mars and all these
stuff. But yet he's still hanging out

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with this uh social pariah, um, Jeffrey Epstein, and he's he's possibly

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taking financial advice from him, you
know, and and getting recommended to one

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of the most most powerful influential banks
in the world. So yeah, I

409
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.839
think it's just it's it just it
just goes to prove that, you know,

410
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.599
even I think with all of the
pressure on him, unlike other people

411
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:07.160
that have fallen out of favor for
even similar stuff to Epstein, apparently his

412
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:14.359
uh you know, his influence was
was still such that people were willing to

413
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.160
kind of just completely look past that. Yeah. I mean, he didn't

414
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.839
go the way to Kevin Spacey,
where you know, instantaneously his career was

415
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.319
over and nobody would talk to him
anymore, uh, you know, and

416
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.599
that was based on allegations that,
by the way, eventually sort of evaporated.

417
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.319
Um. And still that guy's career
never recovered. Okay, none of

418
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.240
that's ever going to recover. People
stopped talking to him. I mean,

419
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.480
uh, you know, I I
think people are are more forgiving of what's

420
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.759
his name there, the guy who
ran the film company. Um, why

421
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.480
I think people are more forgiving of
Weinstein who's in prison, uh than actually

422
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.920
been convicted, has been convicted.
Um, you know really you know where

423
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:56.519
they're like, well, look,
you know, I mean it was the

424
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.880
time we worked with the movie company
what he want us to do? But

425
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.720
you know, nap, you know, it's sort of like out. I

426
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.759
think that's also because he was so
much more beloved. You know, I

427
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.000
don't think anybody was like, oh, I just love Harvey Weinstein. You

428
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.079
know, they might find him interesting
or something, but no, but they

429
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.839
loved his product, his movie.
Yeah, that is true. But I

430
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.000
don't think that anyone had like the
same. You know. It's like you

431
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.559
watch The Usual Suspects for the first
time and you're just you're blown away.

432
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.119
You can't believe, oh my god, Kevin Spacey is so great, and

433
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.359
then to find out that he might, you know, he might be this

434
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.319
creepy predator who I mean, it
seems to have been very close with Jeffrey

435
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.519
Epstein and Maxwell and whatnot. So
yeah, I think that's just it's it's

436
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:41.599
like a hard field to swallow.
I think it in the same way that

437
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.039
a lot of you, even peeple
like Woody Allen, people have real trouble

438
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.680
um, you know, coming to
terms with that, and that results in

439
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.000
him being completely canceled. I don't
want to talk about him. Don't don't

440
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.319
tell me about his movies. I
don't want anything. I don't want to

441
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.960
know anything about him. You know, he's evil, that's the end.

442
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.680
Yeah, But Woody Allen is he
again? Woody Allen is again almost forgot.

443
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.279
I mean they literally knocked House of
Cards right out of Kevin Spacey's hands

444
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:16.039
when it was responsible for really setting
up the future of streaming services and original

445
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.720
content. I mean, without it, I don't think we would have ever

446
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.599
seen the CBS All Access and uh, you know, and and things like

447
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:30.279
this even attempted had there not been
a serious showing there that original content could

448
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.519
be generated by one of these streaming
services and it could not only compete with,

449
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.359
but defeat you know a lot of
these other you know, television networks

450
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.000
and things. And Kevin Spacey was
integral to that, and they knocked it

451
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.160
out of his hands, took him
out of the show, you know,

452
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.000
seriously considered removing it. I think
it's still up on Netflix, but seriously

453
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.440
considered, I mean totally removed the
show, turned it over to Robin Wright

454
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.799
right for her to run and ran
it she did into the ground. Um,

455
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.279
you know. And I almost think
that was done on purpose too,

456
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.880
to completely eliminate the need for any
sort of legacy where it's like, oh

457
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.839
well, at least he still had
this great piece of work going. It

458
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.720
was all taken away with his cancelation, you know, sort of like Al

459
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.359
frankin uh, with with his situation. Other politicians surviving that the one guy

460
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.440
that's another guy I was wondering if
you had any comments on on uh,

461
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.680
the guy who has just now been
been drawn into court and uh and it

462
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:37.200
is actually being put on trial now
for all these things down in South America.

463
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.960
You know, I'm talking about the
congressman from New York. Oh uh

464
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.000
Santez. Yeah, Oh, I
mean I love him. I can't get

465
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.400
it. I mean, I hope
he I mean, I hope he does

466
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.039
go away, but I at the
same time, I hope he doesn't.

467
00:33:52.359 --> 00:34:00.079
I encourage the listeners to go to
his especially if you're from New York to

468
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:07.519
go to his Twitter account. There's
a video um that he posted on like

469
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.599
opening day of baseball and it is
I mean, cringe. Isn't even like

470
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:17.599
a word I would I that would
qualify as a descriptive for this video he

471
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.119
did in support of his his so
called beloved Mets. I don't think this

472
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.480
guy's ever been to a Mets game. I don't know that he knew the

473
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.360
Mets existed until this moment that he
posted this video. And then I said,

474
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:30.800
I'm not like a Mets fan at
all, you know, always the

475
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:37.840
Yankees fan growing up. But it
is so offensive and it's just such a

476
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:43.719
ridiculous thing. But no, I
oh, I love because he is such

477
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.199
an amazing contrast to Al Frankin,
who had to be removed right, had

478
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:53.239
to resign for for I mean for
really like a stupid crude thing um that

479
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.400
you know, uh, it doesn't
doesn't look good. I don't think it's

480
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.159
something he should be proud of.
But it was like it is sort of

481
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.280
a bit like you know, he
is a comedian. It was maybe distasteful.

482
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.119
But Santos is I mean the fact
that he got the fact that he

483
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.519
was elected when everybody knew exactly what
he Like, this is not like a

484
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.880
shock and any it's your grab bag. I mean between grifting, you know,

485
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:28.119
U between grifting a traumatized veteran over
his rescue animal and you know,

486
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.119
being a drag queen apparently, and
then also being what was he He was

487
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:37.840
a Jew and then he wasn't a
Jew? You know, I like you

488
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.000
was just some of the people like
this sort of like you know, gay

489
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:45.320
Twitter. They don't even think he's
gay. They think that's true. That's

490
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.239
a grift, you know that he's
just making that up. But the whole

491
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.880
thing is he was married to a
woman. Yeah, but that's what I'm

492
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.280
saying, Like you can't stop the
bizarre contradictions. And you would think the

493
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.800
Republican Party would be like, yeah, we need to get this guy gone,

494
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.280
because I mean the Democratic establishment was
like Al Frankin's gotta go you.

495
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:09.360
I mean, can you imagine a
if George Santos was the Democrat? I

496
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.760
mean, he wouldn't. It just
wouldn't have. I don't and I don't

497
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.639
say this to be like partisan.
I just don't think he would have gotten

498
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.519
that far well, and you know, you would not have, you know,

499
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.599
Nancy Pelosi standing there like Kevin McCarthy
did, going, well, look,

500
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.119
he's not actually on any committees,
and the people of New York elected

501
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.159
him. So you know, what
do you want me to about food?

502
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.199
As out of there? If he
even made it that far, you know,

503
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.760
I just whatever you want to think
about her, there's no way she

504
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.760
I mean, I think I think
actually the George Santos thing to me really

505
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.559
illustrates how weak McCarthy is, as
as it's just so funny. I love

506
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.559
his his basic explanation, which boils
down to, look, the people of

507
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
New York elected him, So what
do you want me to do about it?

508
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.679
I mean that that's pretty much his
I mean, unless I'm wrong,

509
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.800
I think that. I mean it's
crazy. I mean he's he's would check

510
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.639
roud in Brazil. Um, yeah, I mean you don't even have a

511
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.920
auto, you know, payments haven't
gone. I mean, it's it's it's

512
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.440
like insane. He was getting money
from the guy, the horrible thing.

513
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.719
He's collecting money for the veteran who
wants to get his rescue dog, and

514
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.239
then he doesn't give him the money. I mean that was I mean,

515
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.639
that guy came out like the one
that got me it's in terms of these

516
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:29.679
thirteen felonies that he's been and this
is this is only counting the United States.

517
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.599
This is not counting the felonies the
check fraud and other stuff that,

518
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.400
um, you know, he his
problems in Brazil, um, which who

519
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.960
knows that maybe those will come back
up. But the one that really got

520
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.920
me was three counts of money laundering. Yeah, and and I'm not maybe

521
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.719
you would know this spinner truck,
but because I didn't, I couldn't quite

522
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.039
figure it out initially. But I
mean, is this because I know that

523
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.559
he was depositing these like or strained
you know, it's like I forget what

524
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.119
the number is, but there was
you know, there's a certain number or

525
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.599
if you're if you're getting donations to
a political campaign above a certain amount,

526
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.320
you know they have to be filed
in a special way. And he was

527
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.000
whatever that amount was, it was
like, you know, a dollar short

528
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.480
of that. But I mean with
some of these, my impression with the

529
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.159
at least with the because money laundering
to me seems weird for you know,

530
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.840
campaign finance. Why are fraud I
get, um, you know, making

531
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.000
false statements all of that sort of
stuff, But the money laundering. Is

532
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.280
that is that just like he's funneling
money from gut from what you know,

533
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.639
from he's you know, he's scamming
people in Brazil and then he's taking that

534
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.199
money and then putting that into his
campaign to watch it so that he you

535
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:45.119
know, and then use it obviously
to buy whatever stupid crappy So I mean,

536
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.920
that's it's just so unbelievable. Like
it's the level to which he is

537
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.079
so corrupt and just and he's just
not very good at it. And I'm

538
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.199
so familiar with various scams. Uh
you know that like you know, ob

539
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.800
guys pull off where it's like Okay, we're gonna raise money for this,

540
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.800
but we're actually gonna put it over
here and we're gonna pretend it's for something

541
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.039
else. I mean, you know, very much like the whole Trump thing

542
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.320
with the cancer kids, where it
was like okay, well I have to

543
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.880
hire a place and I'm just gonna
hire my dad's place. Uh, you

544
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:21.119
know, the whole my event things
like like I get all that kind of

545
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.280
stuff where you bring somebody in who's
kind of like you know, already juiced

546
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.519
in. I don't worry, I'm
gonna take care of you here, you're

547
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.320
gonna make a profit stuff like that. I don't understand some of the scams

548
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:36.400
that he's got running because they don't
make any sense. I think I think

549
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.440
he's well, one, he's obviously
a compulsive liar, Like there's there's some

550
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:45.400
sort of underlying psychological issue with him. Yeah, um, but because I

551
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.599
mean some of these things were I
mean, the one one that got me

552
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.719
was like he was claiming to be
a producer for Spider Man Out of the

553
00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:00.480
Darts idiotic musical, and it's just
it's like, why why are you lying

554
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.639
about that? Like what are you? You know what is? And that

555
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.159
he had employees at like the Pulse
nightclub shooting. I mean, just like

556
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:15.880
it's it runs the gamut of just
like just so bizarre and so varied in

557
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:21.079
his line that it just seems like
he wakes up and I think he's unclear

558
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.360
as to who he is and like
what you know he is. He's so

559
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:30.400
bad as a confidence man that I
don't I don't know if he can even

560
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.679
remember all of these like lies.
I mean, that's why he's gotten caught

561
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.280
out so many times. But the
thing is, but obviously it went on

562
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:43.239
long enough that he could build up
this track record because I mean, this

563
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.079
is a lot of stuff going on
and you're running for office. I mean,

564
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.760
look, kudos to somebody who can
keeps some plates spinning, because there's

565
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.880
a lot of crap going on and
I can't even sort it out. I

566
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.679
mean, it's just wild to me. And also that his own party.

567
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.639
The only reason why I even bring
him up is because, like I said,

568
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:07.039
Al Frankin, it was like everybody
turned on him. This guy has

569
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.760
like scandals going in eighty different directions. I mean, moral turpitude coming on

570
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.440
from every direction, right, Uh, different scams, different people. He's

571
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:22.280
beaten out of money, okay,
different different you know again, all these

572
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.079
different felony charges, all sorts of
financial crimes he's committing, you know,

573
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.599
the the obvious thing when you bring
you know, nine hundred ninety nine thousand

574
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.320
dollars somewhere, you know, just
so that you don't get to that,

575
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.679
you know that one more dollar or
whatever it is. I mean, all

576
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.280
that stuff is going on and nobody
is going, yeah, we need to

577
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:47.239
ask him to resign. Nobody does
that, but Al Frankin get him gone.

578
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.320
I mean, it's just I don't
know. To me, that's just

579
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.719
the weirdest thing to watch happen.
But but anyhow, look, that's not

580
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.000
even the biggest point that I wanted, and I didn't want to spend a

581
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.239
lot of time on this. I
just wanted to point it out that this

582
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.400
is the world in which we live. And meanwhile, I know that some

583
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.079
other stuff caught your attention. I
want to get to it because we've already

584
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.159
run through so much time on this. Well, George Santez Is, I

585
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.320
mean you can't. I'm glad you
brought him up, just because I don't.

586
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.400
I don't really talk about him much, you know now, but it

587
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:23.079
istatic. It's a wonder to to
It's like one of those things that's like

588
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.039
very much. I mean, the
old the old standby, right, it's

589
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.079
the car wreck. You can't turn
your head away even though you really don't

590
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.360
want to be watching it. Uh, that that's what's happening there. But

591
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.159
meanwhile, you know, people have
also brought up stuff about nine to eleven

592
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.920
to me recently, and uh,
it's very strange, you know, the

593
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:45.599
world we find ourselves in there regarding
the the nine to eleven truth community and

594
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.920
what has happened to it in recent
years. Especially um. But there's still

595
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.960
stuff going on regarding this, and
I know that some stuff caught your attention,

596
00:42:55.039 --> 00:43:00.320
and I don't think anybody is bothering
to look at an advance regarding nine

597
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.800
to eleven. I mean, it's
very much quiet on the on the truth

598
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.679
or front. I know, you
know, somebody like John Gold might take

599
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.880
objection to me saying that, But
but the truth is, I haven't seen

600
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.639
much discussion of it lately. It's
not been in the hopper, so to

601
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:20.920
speak, with the all media or
anything lately because they're too busy getting ready

602
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.199
for the twenty twenty four Circus event
that's about to unfold and all that.

603
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:29.719
Um. But I know you've taken
notice of some stuff recently and uh tell

604
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.840
us about that. Well, yeah, I would, um, and I'm

605
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:37.519
sure I'm sure John would probably be
annoyed with both of us. But it

606
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.119
is true. I don't really think
it's in the news very much. Although

607
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.079
I just I just went onto um
h, John, I was just looking

608
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.039
up John's Twitter account nine to eleven
Justice Now, yeah, and it does

609
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.679
seem like he was talking about um
what. I'm uh what I just just

610
00:43:54.039 --> 00:44:00.719
discovered um earlier today, But that
a twenty one page for a big,

611
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.440
big huge shout out, look,
big huge shout out to John Gold before

612
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.159
you go any further. He's always
on this stuff. He's always aware of

613
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:13.000
what's going on. I love him
for this because that he has not ceased

614
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.920
when it comes to this. And
of course, if you go to we

615
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.079
were lied to about nine to eleven
I think that's the name of his website,

616
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.400
right, we were lied to about
nine to eleven dot com, and

617
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:29.000
or if you follow him on Twitter, either way you can stay abreast of

618
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:35.360
what's actually happening regarding the search for
truth regarding nine to eleven. He's practically

619
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.199
the only guy who is absolutely it
seems like twenty four to seven on it.

620
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.320
I love John. I got to
get him back on the show against

621
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.760
soon. Sorry, I just wanted
to make sure we drive away. Yeah,

622
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.000
I mean that end. Like you
said, I mean, he's just

623
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.880
devoted his life to it. Oh
yeah, and his books are there for

624
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.559
free, by the way, on
his website. He's not trying to sell

625
00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.800
you anything. He is just you
know, after after truth number one and

626
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.880
uh and and number two, some
level of justice would be nice to see

627
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:07.360
two. And there's a lot of
different ways to go with that. I

628
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.800
mean, and he's focused on the
families, the people that are still suffering

629
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.519
all these years afterwards, the people
that have died as a result, uh

630
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.320
not just from the events of that
day, but you know, from the

631
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.440
aftermath. Uh So yeah, absolutely, I would recommend people look at John

632
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.119
Gold and look him up. If
you never heard of him, Uh,

633
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.000
please just pause this podcast and go
look up John Gold, j O N

634
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:35.719
and then Gold go o LD.
Okay, So his website is we were

635
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:40.159
lied to about nine dot com.
That's it. We relied to about nine

636
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.559
one dot com. Yep. Yeah, and there's uh, I mean,

637
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.880
you can you can find I think
johnsal has a lot of his interviews.

638
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.760
He did a really in depth podcast
series for a while, uh interviewing all

639
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.840
sorts of different people. But uh, he has you can it's for free.

640
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.599
You can download it a book version
of every single interview he did right

641
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.760
um on his website. Great stuff. Look for him on YouTube as well.

642
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.599
A lot of his great interviews are
still up on YouTube. He hasn't

643
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:15.280
been banned. It's really an amazing
reasoned because nothing he says is you know,

644
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:21.639
he's he's very I wouldn't say cautious, but he's not. He's not

645
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.360
you know, like speaking out of
you know, his ass about that,

646
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.880
you know what I mean. No, it's fact based, it's fact.

647
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.639
The thing he's saying is incorrect,
right, fact based, fact based and

648
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.679
not not you know, speculation,
very very limited, very direct evidence.

649
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.559
Actually talks to the real people,
talks to the people that were affected and

650
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.480
lets them speak for themselves. And
how the hell are you going to ban

651
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.599
that? So he does not get
banned on YouTube? Which is really great

652
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.159
anyway, I'm just saying, big, huge tip of as many hats as

653
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.519
I got to John Cold, so
go ahead and talk about what it is.

654
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.320
He was. It was something that
caught my eye, which is um

655
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.079
and it's funny. Uh. It
was just I was like looking it up,

656
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:06.760
and you know, I saw it
was like in the Gray Zone.

657
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.880
I saw it there listed somewhere and
you know, bombshell filing nine to eleven

658
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.960
hijackers or CIA recruits, um.
And then you find out, well,

659
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.440
it's the gray Zone. Didn't even
it's not even their story. It's actually

660
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.280
um. It was written by or
was published in spy Talk, which is

661
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.119
uh, which is actually kind of
an interesting It's a sub stack Um.

662
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.760
People should should check it out spytalk
dot co. Um. But you know

663
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:40.599
it's it's they were reporting on some
recently declassified UH court filings, in particular

664
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.599
twenty one page court document and I'm
quoting from spy talk UM, filed in

665
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.880
twenty twenty one at Guantanamo Bay Naval
based in Cuba, where the cases of

666
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.920
the nine eleven defendants are being heard. The document was on the public docket

667
00:47:54.039 --> 00:48:00.480
docket but went unreported because it was
completely redacted except for an unclassified marking.

668
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.199
Spy Talk obtained an unredacted copy and
nothing in it is all that new.

669
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.960
It was compiled by this guy Don
Kennastaro, who was an investigator for the

670
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:15.000
Office of Military Commissions. But it
it And again you know, John gold

671
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.679
is tweeting about how this isn't really
news. Um. I saw UM.

672
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:27.760
You know my friends Raindo, michelski
Um and John Duffy who wrote The Watchdogs

673
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:34.280
Didn't Bark Um and who also were
the people behind the probably probably one of

674
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.239
the best podcasts or early podcasts,
UH, you know, a series called

675
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.599
Who Is rich Blee? They wrote
about this a lot in their book,

676
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.119
UM. But it basically just it. It just lends more credence to the

677
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:53.639
idea or the theory put up by
many people. Um that al Hamsey and

678
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:59.079
Almadar, who were two of the
nine to eleven hijackers, they were on

679
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:04.320
the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. They are also famous for their sort

680
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:10.880
of escapades in Malaysia. They were
at this very famous Al Qaeda's summit where

681
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.280
they were you know, videotaped coming
and going by the CIA, but who

682
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.760
you know, neglected to bugget for
audio. And they were also famous for

683
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:29.559
their comings and goings in San Diego
and their meeting with a character Bayoumi,

684
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.960
who was there's no doubt about that
was a Saudi intelligence officer, but it

685
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.119
just it was It's maybe not the
most interesting story if you're familiar with this,

686
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:46.079
but it just is there's just further
evidence compiled by other people that these

687
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:53.159
guys were definitely you know, connected
to Saudi intelligence. But it also puts

688
00:49:53.199 --> 00:50:00.880
forward the position that the CIA might
have in fact truly been a been trying

689
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.039
to recruit them, uh, you
know, and that they were working through

690
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.480
SOUNDI intelligence And it just quote it
just quotes more people, um and it

691
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.119
just you know, uh, it
kind of lends a little bit more credence

692
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.639
to that. What I found interesting
one is that it just sort of goes

693
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:22.199
unreported and then it kind of gets
like, you know reported, uh you

694
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.679
know in the gray zone as this
like bombshell and it's not really a bombshell.

695
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.719
All of this was was well known
and in fact, there's there's nothing

696
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.280
in this that you haven't heard.
And you know, even even combing through

697
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.800
the spy Talk article, you see
that a lot of these um uh you

698
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:45.159
know, there are different people,
different FBI agents and stuff that are referred

699
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.159
to uh, you know as not
even pseudonyms. It's CS three, CS

700
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.880
four, and you know you're able
to kind of figure out exactly who these

701
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.559
people are. And they've they've been
on the record before, they've talked about

702
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.679
this openly. That yeah, that
you know, there were all these rumors

703
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.400
flying around that the you know,
the CIA was out there and they're trying

704
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:07.119
to recruit al Qaeda operatives that they
knew more. There's a lot about Alex

705
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.960
Station again, all stuff that John
Duffy, rain of Michelski, John Gold

706
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:16.119
and others have talked at nauseum about
um. But it was just, um,

707
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.840
what caught my eye about it Chuck
was one is just that you know,

708
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.159
it's like further, you know,
there's just every couple of years,

709
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:31.400
there's more and more and more evidence
that at the very least the Saudis knew

710
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.679
exactly what was going on. They're
running all these people, and that you

711
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:42.320
know, best case scenario, the
CIA was one hundred and ten percent aware

712
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.400
of this and just you know allowed
this to all happen, and if you

713
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.480
really start to kind of peel it
back, that they were obviously involved as

714
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.639
well. But the thing that I
found so interesting about it what peaked it

715
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:57.320
is one, is that it it
you know, it's like bombshell filing.

716
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:00.280
Nobody you know, this was not
like a big headline for I mean maybe

717
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.719
people on Gray Zone side, but
it definitely kind of flew under the radar

718
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.119
um and it's it's just it's interesting
that it still has this like resonant power

719
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.360
to kind of you know, to
come out and people get kind of interested

720
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.239
in it and then it goes away, uh you know, and and I

721
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.119
don't know, there's just something about
that. And also just you know,

722
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.920
in terms of stuff like you know, I was perusing, uh the spy

723
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.679
Talk website after that, and I
saw, you know, Jefferson Morley writes

724
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.480
articles for them, and um,
you know, and I know, you

725
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.599
know, obviously, you know,
with the JFK, stuff you know,

726
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.599
becomes ever more relevant and it kind
of you know, people kind of tease

727
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:38.840
out this stuff and I'm sure you
get this a lot where it's sort of

728
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.679
like it's kind of more of the
same um. But it's interesting that it

729
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.760
still has that power and that to
an extent in the ult media, it

730
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.880
can kind of be tried it out
as this thing and people can kind of

731
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.440
look at it and people can kind
of talk about it as if it's some

732
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:00.920
brand new bombshell um, when it's
just the same piece of information packaged over

733
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:06.000
and over again. And I think
that the sad thing is that it gets

734
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.400
reported on as this, h you
know, brand new breaking news story,

735
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:15.159
and then it's just filed away and
then that's it, and there's no real

736
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.440
kind of one that all this stuff
was out there, the fact that this

737
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.960
is all out there and that we
still haven't done anything, that these guys

738
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.320
are still just sort of out there
operating doing whatever, that none of these

739
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:32.320
people have really been held accountable,
even though every couple of years the same

740
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.679
story comes out. Oh yeah,
well look just this week, right,

741
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.320
you'll be amazed to hear this.
You talk about Morley, and Morley is

742
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:46.400
well aware of this. Just this
week more documents were actually released, more

743
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:53.639
CIA documents that again lead us to
the idea anyway, that you know that

744
00:53:53.760 --> 00:54:00.159
that Lee Harvey Oswald had people that
were connected to the CIA directly involved than

745
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:05.320
his life, you know, and
it's like, oh hum, nobody reported

746
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.079
on this, and I do mean
nobody, And there it is. You

747
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.320
know, here we go a little
more incremental confirmation over what's going on.

748
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.320
How does that mean the CIA was
directly you know? Is it the the

749
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:20.679
grand declaration that we got from you
know, Tucker Carlson, Hey, the

750
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.599
CIA was involved? Can I everybody
you know giving you no facts, no

751
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:29.159
nothing to back it up at all, just giving you sort of an agreement

752
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.159
with some sort of confirmation bias.
Yes. True. But at the same

753
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.559
time, even when this evidence does
come out, it's never given any attention.

754
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.199
Even the people that you would think
should be paying attention to it don't

755
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.679
want to hear about it. You
know, nobody wants to hear about this

756
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.159
stuff. I mean, we still
have to anyway, It's just the way

757
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.639
it's gonna be. And Moraley,
I appreciate what he's doing, I really

758
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:52.960
do. He's got a thing over
there, I think the tale of two

759
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.800
Defectors and you know, trying to
compare and contrast to what went on with

760
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:04.719
Oswald with another well own defectorum.
And he makes good points. But these

761
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.519
are things that have been around for
a while. Nobody's really going to pay

762
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.679
attention unless you're an avid follower of
you know, Morley sub Stack or something.

763
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.159
You're not even gonna know about this
stuff. I mean, did you

764
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.480
see I saw this because then I
was looking at Morley's substack that there's a

765
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:29.239
um a a new JFK film that's
that's uh that David Mahman has written.

766
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.480
Have you heard about this? Yeah, yeah, I heard about it.

767
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:36.559
No, there's there's a couple of
them, uh supposedly in the works,

768
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.400
and some of them might get you
know either um, either they're gonna run

769
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.400
out the trailers or they might run
out of film that you know, maybe

770
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.360
has been produced that we didn't know
about in progress, uh, right around

771
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.960
the sixtieth anniversary toward the end of
this year. Uh, They're they're gonna

772
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:53.800
either drop new films or they're gonna
try and get you, you know,

773
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.880
psyched up for new film. Um. And yeah, there's all kinds of

774
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:04.199
weird things going on in jfk Land, and uh, even people in JFK

775
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.440
Land don't want to hear about it. It's it's really weird. Um,

776
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.119
you know, it's it's like,
there's just what did we call that before

777
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:19.880
the oversaturation of information has caused people
to become really just numb to a lot

778
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.639
of this stuff. So, you
know, incrementally you get confirmation on a

779
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.800
whole bunch of things that you know, we're speculated about only a few years

780
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.119
ago, that people had limited evidence
to go on a few years ago,

781
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.920
that a lot of people did some
you know, very serious work trying to

782
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.079
get the information out there, and
now it's just kind of lost in the

783
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:43.880
sea. You know. It's really
kind of a sad circumstance um that we

784
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.599
find ourselves in. And uh,
a lot of it being deactivated and derailed

785
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:53.039
in my mind, by these by
these strange political characters who come out make

786
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:58.599
these brand you know, the the
these grandiose, brash statements, you know,

787
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.280
like oh, Donald Trump was telling
the truth about the Iraq War during

788
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.239
the campaign, remember that, you
know, it was like, oh yeah,

789
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.199
kind of but you know, but
then it just sort of, I

790
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.719
don't know, it's weird. It
kind of derails the actual work that went

791
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.519
into it. And does Donald Trump
give you anything to work with so you

792
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.960
can back that statement up? No? Does Tucker Carlson? No, you

793
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:23.840
know, Elon Musk with his weird
statements, does he give you stuff to

794
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.360
back it up? No? And
then even when he does, you know,

795
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.480
the Twitter piles, Remember that was
a big deal a little while ago.

796
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.880
Interesting, how you know, maybe
that's not so reliable anymore, right,

797
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.360
sort of everybody gets kneecapped at the
end. It's it's a very weird.

798
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.960
It's funny you bring up the usual
suspects, because that's what I feel

799
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.360
like, you know, at the
end of it, the one guy who

800
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:50.039
was actually responsible walks away and you
were talking to him the whole time and

801
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.519
you didn't know it, You know
what I mean. It's just it's the

802
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.280
general feel I get from all of
this anymore in the indie and all media

803
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.760
world. But what is the point
of what I'm saying? You know what,

804
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.800
I kind of don't even know anymore. That's really the point of it

805
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.039
is, do you know what the
point is anymore? You know, like

806
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.599
it all gets lost in the sea. I don't know how else to put

807
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.920
it. Pierce, maybe you can
help me out here. No, no,

808
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.360
I agree, And that's why I
guess I don't know if I was

809
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:22.199
if I made my point clear.
I think I was sort of rambling with

810
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.840
the nine to eleven stuff. But
it feels, you know, it feels

811
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:30.039
like that too, that it just
it's it's being reported here to just sort

812
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.599
of to then get lost in all
of it because again, nothing, there's

813
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:38.280
nothing actually like new in any of
this, right, And I don't know

814
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:45.320
what is the point of reporting on
this um other than it's like a little

815
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:52.000
bit more confirmation from you know,
about a topic that was all but you

816
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:59.039
know, exhausted by people like John
Duffy, Raina Michelski, John Gold and

817
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.679
others. And yeah, I don't
know. It's just odd to me exactly.

818
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:05.480
It's like, what is the point
is this? Why is this happening?

819
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.880
Now? You know? What are
they trying to get out of this?

820
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.159
Well, they're certainly not trying to
use it to distract us from the

821
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:16.840
ridiculous circumstance we find ourselves in financially
as the financial crush continues to uh,

822
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.719
you know, punish the majority of
us the way it seems. Uh,

823
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.199
it's certainly not there to take us
away or distract us from, uh,

824
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:30.199
the ongoing conflicts on the planet,
the fact that we're being divided and conquered

825
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.320
repeatedly and subdivided and meant to be
pitted against one another. I don't know,

826
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.159
it doesn't seem to be a significant
enough distraction just yet. Almost seems

827
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:44.000
like we're waiting for the next big
bombshell to really drop. You know,

828
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.760
what is the next big problem that
we're going to have to face collectively?

829
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.440
That's almost what it leaves me wondering, because at this point, I mean,

830
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.719
you know, how how numb do
you have to get? Uh,

831
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.480
you know, in order to stop
caring about every thing? I mean,

832
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.760
it's it's like apathy is being enforced. You know what was that statement?

833
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.920
You know? Uh? Oh man, I'm trying to think of the great

834
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:15.159
jellab out for line. Uh you
know where Uh it's like apathy is now

835
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.119
enforced by law or something. You
know, It's it's like, yeah,

836
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.079
it's like now now it's it's just
it is the way of the legal constructor.

837
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.599
This is the way things will be
conducted from now on, you know,

838
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.320
And um, I think it's it's
meant to sideline the people that really

839
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.199
were intensely interested. You know,
nothing new here, nothing to see here,

840
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.599
folks, you've already seen it.
And for those that don't know and

841
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.320
didn't care, they don't see it
either. It's just it's just meant to

842
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:44.400
be, you know, part of
the background noise, the white noise of

843
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.400
the world. Yes, you know, and um, it's hard to articulate

844
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:51.559
what that really means. Where are
we going next? I don't know,

845
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:52.679
Pierce. If I knew, I
would put it out there though, and

846
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.800
I'd sell it to somebody and warn
them about what's coming next because I don't

847
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.079
feel good about it. But anyway, I've killed an hour with Pierce Redman.

848
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:06.960
So how do you feel about it? Pierce? Anything you want to

849
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:09.119
drop in here before we get going, And by the way, I feel

850
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:13.159
free to post this, uh as
soon as you want to. I'll give

851
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.280
me the you know, obviously,
all permissions posted on Porkins Policy review dot

852
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.360
com. That is the full website, right, yeah, Perkins Policy Review

853
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.119
dot com. Okay, and trying
to remember because it's been a while since,

854
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:28.159
I know, I have to remember
too sometimes. No, just just

855
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.039
an add chuck, that's been it's
been great, um doing these again with

856
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.639
you. And just as we were
talking there, I was just in my

857
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.800
head thinking of getting you know,
uh, maybe getting John Gold, maybe

858
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:45.960
inviting John Duffy back on to and
interview him. Maybe related to this,

859
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:52.400
you know, brand new bombshell News
article about nine to eleven, which was

860
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.239
reported on years ago by both of
them. So yeah, just yeah,

861
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.840
I don't know, that's it.
Just it's it's been good, uh kind

862
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:04.440
of you know, easing back into
recording stuff. So I you know,

863
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.000
I hope that we'll do more of
this h in the near future. Well,

864
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.400
I'll tell you what. Sometime in
the next couple of weeks, maybe

865
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:14.239
like beginning of June somewhere and there. Why don't we get together again and

866
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.199
if you want to invite some other
guests along, we can have a bit

867
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:23.079
of a roundtable discussion and let some
people smarter than me anyway have the microphone

868
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.320
for a minute. You know,
I'm not going to claim they're smarter than

869
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:29.960
you, but you know, somebody
like John or you know, or the

870
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:34.400
other John, you know, either
Duffy or Gold or whoever it is that

871
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.360
you want to bring on to comment
on this stuff and really give us the

872
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.159
state of the state regarding nine to
eleven, regarding what this all means as

873
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.639
we go forward. It's still forward
into the post nine to eleven reality,

874
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:50.559
because it's still important, you know, it is still important stuff. And

875
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.639
I think we need to pay attention
to what's not being reported more than what

876
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.000
it is they're laying out there as
like, oh, here you go,

877
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.960
here's your bone doggies you know too
on this for a little while. But

878
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.960
don't worry. We don't need to
feed your real food just yet. Uh

879
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:07.960
what are your thoughts? No?
No, absolutely, and yeah? And

880
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:13.039
I think yet just if if to
for no other reason than to just sort

881
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.679
of pose that question exactly why why
now? Why is this? You know,

882
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.639
why is this even being reported?
Um? And and yeah. And

883
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.679
then the fact that you know it
while it should be bigger news in the

884
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:32.119
sense that it is more confirmation that
the you know, largest terrorist attack in

885
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:37.440
America, um, you know,
was known about by our closest allies,

886
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:44.719
was known you know about by people
involved in ostensibly preventing it, right,

887
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.360
Um, you know, And and
the I don't know, I know,

888
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.760
it's it's very you know, it's
very it's much more in vogue to be

889
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.719
concerned with I don't know, Jeffrey
Epstein or the alt media or Trump and

890
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:01.880
de Santists and uh know, and
I don't know the deep state and all

891
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.320
this stuff. But I mean,
you know, it's like, if you're

892
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.920
really interested in those the deep state
and those sort of topics, I mean,

893
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:13.360
you can't really get much deeper than
nine to eleven um, you know

894
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.559
when it comes to this, I
mean outside of other you know, deep

895
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.440
state events such as JFK or I
Ran contraent and things like that. But

896
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.719
yeah, they're still they're still super
important. They're still living with all of

897
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.960
the aftermath of those things. And
if anything, these sort of articles that

898
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.400
come out, they don't they just
sort of they just sort of reinforce that,

899
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:34.760
yeah, this is our life now, you know, it's not it's

900
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.239
not actually it's not trying to seek
out new information. It's not trying to

901
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.880
contextualize or to understand it. It's
just sort of more confirmation that, yeah,

902
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:45.079
you know, every time you get
on a subway in New York City,

903
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.719
there's an announcement that police um can
just search you for no reason,

904
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.880
which is all, which is only
was instituted after nine to eleven. Yes,

905
01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:00.519
and if you completely ludicrous um law, that's still exist all over exactly.

906
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.960
But but don't forget, you know, if you're a whistleblower regarding the

907
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:09.079
Hunter Biden laptop though, you might
get removed because that happened this week too,

908
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.840
you know, just saying, Look, there are many systems of justice

909
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:15.719
and they're not serving any of us. And that's the way it is.

910
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.559
And the key thing to remember when
it comes to nine to eleven, as

911
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:23.440
far as I'm concerned, is exactly
what John Gold's website and book says.

912
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.599
We were lied to about nine to
eleven, and then that dot really should

913
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.920
be a period, but we were
lied to about nine to eleven. Dot

914
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:34.400
Com is John Gold's website. Porkins
Policy Review is Pierce Redmond's website. Go

915
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.639
there, check out his stuff,
check out his old stuff. And we're

916
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.119
gonna talk more with Pearce in the
future. The Ocelli effect is done no

917
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:44.800
matter who you are, where you
are, when you are remember I'm merely

918
01:05:44.840 --> 01:06:08.760
o'celly all of you are. Indeed, the effect Wall Street, Grewindow dot

919
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920
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:24.880
invested deeply, Perhaps you're not in
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921
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:30.159
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922
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.360
the brilliant author of the War State, understood these trends professionally for many years,

923
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:39.880
and now he gives you the benefit
of his knowledge. Wall Street,

924
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:45.039
Streindow dot dot. Go there,
now go there, now go there.

925
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:49.599
Now go ahead, calling in the
truth about the JAFFA assassination. Right,

926
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:54.559
well, what do you want to
know? Claim oswall girlfriends, you knew

927
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:58.119
Ruby and Barry cancer weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim I have

928
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.559
four wheels. It doesn't make me
a wagon. But okay, Oswald was

929
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.679
on the duty and science prevent the
murder of John Kennedy. Come on,

930
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:08.400
now, has it real? Eckert
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931
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932
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933
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934
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935
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936
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937
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938
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.920
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939
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942
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945
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946
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.760
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947
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948
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949
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950
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951
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.840
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952
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