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Perfect or trick or treating in my
opinion. But coming up later will be

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Kevin Jackson to the Black sphere.
He's on one of the proud African American

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conservative voices in America. He hails
out of Arizona and Nevada, having moved

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out of Chicago, which made a
lot of sense to me. He has

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some several great columns up about the
real goals of Hamas and Israel and what

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it means down the road. But
until then, Christopher Smitherman, former vice

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mayor, former councilman, and so
much more. Chris, welcome again to

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the Bill Cunningham Show. And Christopher
might ask you a big question right at

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the front. Of course you can't. Yesterday I'm doing well. I mean

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it's Halloween, so you know,
I see Tony Benders all dressed up in

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his alien outfit like Joe Burrow.
And Joe Burrow did pretty well when he

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dressed up in San Francisco. Is
an alien? Of course to live in

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San Francisco, you'd have to be
an alien. But that's a different issue.

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And but yesterday you may know that
I had on your good friend of

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mine, the great Bill Sites.
He's been in the Columbus legislature for twenty

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five years, a quarter of a
century. He bounces between the State Senate

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and the State House, and every
time he's in a room, he makes

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a lot of sense. He's bride
his articulate, and so I spent time

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with him yesterday on Norfolk Southern issues, so called Issue twenty two. Now

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I want to know where the issues
between three and twenty two, but that's

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a different issue. There's got to
be a bunch of issues out there somewhere.

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And he made the point that he
and Senator Blessing, another rock rib

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conservative, put so many guard rails
in place to protect the money's one point

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six billion to be gotten from Norfolk
Southern that he would be comfortable voting yes

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on Issue twenty two because of the
guard rails. He said, Before legislatively

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we put in the guard rails,
I wouldn't have supported it, but now

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I do. Now, if the
guard rails are in place, if Bill

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Sitz and Lou Blessing are correct,
would you then vote yes on twenty two?

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No? No, so so first
of all, no, so,

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Lou Blessings, Uh Bill Sites,
good men, Uh, as you know,

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Uh Bill Sites endorsed me in the
previous election. I support him and

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with all of his good intentions.
You know, so many good leaders have

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good intentions. But you realize that
politicians, right after Bill Sites announced his

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retirement and he's going over to green
pastures, that the politicians that are left.

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You and I have to believe that
lock boxes can't be picked, right.

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You and I have to believe that
lock box, that I got social

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Security in a lock box? Where
where So if you listen to every person

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at the federal level who's told is
who said your social Security is in a

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lock box? Right? The reality
of it is you have to believe,

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which I do believe that Sites has
put every guard rail possible in place.

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But what he doesn't understand is that
we have the best lock pickers in Cincinnati

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that the planet has to offer.
We've got three members of council arrested by

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the Federal Bureau of Investigation, one
that's gonna be sentenced here in November.

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So please let's not lecture the former
vice mayor about guard rails. And and

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I'm telling you that lock boxes and
Cincinnati have been picked for a long time.

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And so my concern is I don't
believe them. Number Two, I

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mean, I don't believe it's not
I don't believe Bill Sites. I don't

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believe that the mayor and Council,
which is run by a very liberal democratic

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mayor, a very liberal council,
won't change their binding They have a non

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binding resolution meaning everything you're seeing on
TV. We're gonna fix the firehouses,

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We're gonna fix everything. Here's here's
the reality. Now let's go back,

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Willie. Did you remember the discussion
right before the street car vote when they

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said we're absolutely against the street car. In December, they voted, they

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voted to build the streets the street
against No, no, not now,

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not now, all right, go
ahead, just remember it. Just remember

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this, brother, Just remember this. They told us they were against it,

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and then they were for it.
Within thirty days, we had a

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streetcar that was a lock box.
It was picked. Now, what I

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want to share with you is that
that's a Capitol project? True or fall?

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Is that a Capitol project? Willie
Conningham, True are fall? I'm

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looking for hundred and fifty four Yeah, But my point is they spend one

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hundred and fifty million dollars on the
street car, ninety four million dollars in

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debt and I'm sharing with you.
Instead of fixing our roads and firehouses,

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instead of fixing our recreation centers and
buying snow review snow removal vehicles, they

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built a three and a half mile
to tree train downtown. So I'm just

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sharing with you that I don't trust
them. I would rather have the twenty

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five million dollars that's coming in every
year. By the way, in two

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years, Willie Cunningham, that number
jumps to thirty seven point four million dollars

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per year in perpetuity, and they've
never missed a payment in one hundred and

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fifty four years. I'll stop there. So it's not that I don't like

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Bill Site, great guy, great
intentions, But we have the best lock

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pickers in Cincinnati that the country has, and we've got some even being indicted

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and found guilty by the Federal Bureau
of Investigation. I can't tell you,

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brother, I just don't believe that
those guard rails will stay in place.

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It's odd bough bedfellows. When you
have Joe Mallory, who's a left wing

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extremist, along with Tom Brinkman,
who's a right wing activist. You've got

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Foxy roxy Qualls hooking up with John
Cranley. You got odd bedfellas coming together,

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and they are on opposite sides of
the fence, and sometimes they both

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agree, and sometimes they both disagree. And pg piraval are mayor at this

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point, doesn't he appoint the five
members? Right now? It's Amy Murray.

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I like her a lot. I
like Charlie Luke, and I wish

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you would seize power once again.
I like the attorney immute thing, and

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so I look at that. I
think Mark Mallory's on the does pg pyrival

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Does he appoint the five members of
the railway board? Yes, right there,

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but that board's been in place for
a long time, and so they

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don't dance to pg pyrival's tune.
At that point he could fire them,

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correct or whatever personality that's in the
mayor's office. Right you might wake up

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and your worst, your your best
dream comes that Smith had made an elected

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mayor of the city of Cincinnati,
and I decide to appoint your I decide

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to appoint your wonderful wife. Sounds
a judge down there. Brother who actually

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reads comes prepared to meet and let
me tell you, let me tell you,

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Norfolk Southern would be in trouble if
she if I appointed her to that

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real war. So my point to
you is that, yes, it is

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personality driven nic and I'm sharing with
you it is so important, it is

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so important that we consider that once
if this transaction were to go through.

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We now know that Norfolk Southern is
paying the majority of this campaign four point

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two five million dollars, which is
like dropping money out of a plane above

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us. No one's ever spent that
much money on an issue or a candidate

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in the history of the city of
Cincinnati. They're trying to buy the election.

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The entity that is trying to buy
our railroad. I'm saying to you

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that if citizens vote know on it, we then keep the land, we

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keep the payments for perpetuity, and
we go back and negotiate this lease with

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Norfolk Southern or whichever rail wants to
use our three hundred miles of rail all

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the way to Tennessee. Let's go
to point two. This is from the

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great Bill Sites who's out the stud
good Man in about a year. Good

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Man, he made the point,
and you're in the financial world as like

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financial advisor. He made the point
that no good person would put all their

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eggs in one basket. You got
to diverse things a little bit that Uh,

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the disaster in East Palestine, Ohio
cost Norfolk Southern eight hundred million dollars.

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If that railroad gets two or three
and more of those disasters, they're

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going to file bankruptcy. And suddenly
the city of Cincinnati have all their eggs

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in one basket. If we take
out of the deal the one point six

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billion, we can diversify those moneys
into various pots and maybe get more money.

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But nonetheless you're not as a financial
advisor. Would you tell Tony Bender

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to invest in one stock all of
his money? Answer that question, great

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question, Answer that question. I
will. It's a great question. First,

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Norfolk Southern to answer that question.
Is Warren Buffet the greatest investor arlier

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world? It's wind up the largest
investor in rail period period because rail business

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is expanding, it's not contracting.
And so this notion that rail that Norfolk

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Southern is going to find an alternate
route that cost them eighty million dollars.

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Their own consultants told them that eighty
million to change the route. They're not

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going to do that. And that
in some form that when you look at

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a company like Boeing who had two
planes drop out of the sky. They

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paid millions and billions of dollars in
penalties. That this that this multi billion

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dollar operation called Norfolk Southern is going
to all of a sudden go out of

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business because they've had a derailment two
in the state of Ohio one and that's

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master just a massive one in East
Palestine. That they are not going to

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pay those liabilities. That is what
reinsurance is for Willie Cunningham. Let's make

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sure we understand that Norfolk Southern pays
premiums to deal with that issue. They're

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not taking that money out of their
dog on EPs. They're taking that money

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out of the money that they pay
to ensure for those things that could happen.

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Period. And so no, this
is a this is a fly on

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the back of the biggest rhinos you
can find in the in the in in

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Africa, and it's an absolute non
starter. Christopher Smother answer the question,

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Well, you're tell Tony Bender to
put all his money in one stock would

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you do that? It's not it's
not the question. You're asking me what

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I will would I really would I
take one point six billion dollars and put

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it in the stock market. The
answer is hell no, meaning I'd rather

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take my my annuity payments that are
coming in from whomever is on that rail.

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You're acting as if Norfolk Southerland is
the only rail on the planet.

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It's just not a fair question.
What is a fair question to say is

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would you take one point six billion
of your money? And I know you,

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Willie Cunningham a little bit wrbon investor, would you put your money in

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the s and p. Five hundred
and say I'm gonna kiss this money and

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roll off into the sunset? Are
you? Are you a person that would

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say I'm gonna pay off my mortgage
is yes, I make sure that I

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have enough cast Yes, yes,
that's what you would do. You would

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not invest your money in the s
and p. Five hundred knowing that last

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year the bond market, the stock
market, all things went went south.

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And if you look at how the
city has handled the Cincinnati retirement system eight

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hundred million dollars unfunded liability, meaning
when the city had the opportunity to invest

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money, they didn't do a good
job. Willie. We can only look

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at people from their track record,
meaning the citizens don't even know what you

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and I are talking about. That
we manage a Cincinnati retirement system with the

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only city in the in the state
of Ohio that does it, and we've

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done a very poor job of it, and it could literally send us into

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them something about the City of Cincinnati
send us into bankruptcy. It's not a

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fair question to say, would I
put all my money in once back?

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Of course I wouldn't put all of
my money. I'm answering your question,

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but I don't do that. That's
what we're doing for one hundred and fifty

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four years. We've never had a
mispayment. We have the land, we

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have the air rights, we have
the fiber optics on three hundred plus miles

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of it. It's just a bad
deal for us. I look back in

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the history to the fathers, and
there were all fathers. I think of

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the city of Cincinnati. No other
city in America has had things like we

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own a railroad from here to Chattanooga. We have a water system, which

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is the envy of the world.
We have a sewer system. We had

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Blue Ash Airport. We forget about
blue Ash Airport that's now being developed.

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That was going to solve lots of
economic So the City of Cincinnati had assets

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all over the place. No other
city did this kind of stuff, And

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at one point I think the city
administration wanted to sell the parking meters.

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The parking meters are gone, the
water was gone, the sewer is gone,

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Blue Ash Municipal Airport is gone,
and now the railroad is gone.

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Hell, what's going to be left? Nothing? Now you got convince it.

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I'm somewhere. If it's not,
if it's not nailed down. This

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council and mayor have tried to sell
things and it's never a good thing.

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What we need is a mayor and
a council that knows how to balance the

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budget. Remember what they've done with
the Cincinnati retirement system for decades is the

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prior to John Cranley is they were
underfunding the pension and then saying they were

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balancing the budget. They balanced the
budget on the back of our assme workers.

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And now that that Cincinnati retirement system
is struggling because when the market was

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down, they didn't put they didn't
put their required contribution. When the market

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was up, they didn't put their
required contribution. And so what has happened

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here is over decades we have an
unfunded liability, probably eight hundred million dollars

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in that pinsion. I don't want
to see our asset of one point six

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billion dollars squandered by politicians who know
how to pick locks. Now unfair fair

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for us to say that that money
is going to be in a lock box.

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Well, you am fare Well.
I can't find the damn lock box.

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I forgot about the lock box.
Well used to have kings and queens

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on city council. I can name
Lez Keating and Scottie Johnson the other seven.

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I have no idea who they are. Do you know who they are?

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Who are these people? Where they
come? Have it? I have?

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Yeah? I haven't. I haven't
met them. But I can tell

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you that Liz Keating is somebody that
is incredibly important for I like her on

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this city council. She's a good
person, she's thoughtful, she's she's she's

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conservative around our budget, and she's
a voice that we need to have.

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And I can tell citizens that they
don't go in there and vote for her.

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Can you name anybody on council?
Who are these people? Yeah?

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Listen, you know that we have
of Kearney, who's my neighbor, who's

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the vice mayor of the City of
Cincinnati. I mean she's lost her way.

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Let us go. I'm not going
to sit here. I'm not trying

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to promote people on council, she
said, spent out and the and like

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I seventy one and shut it down. They're committing crime. Let's give them

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city property to commit more crime by
having the having the broughtout artists go to

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the Hamlet County Fairgrounds and Carthage.
Let's give them access. Well, Chris,

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we got to go. But tell
you what, Uh, I don't

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live in the city of Cincinnati.
I did once. Thanks for giving me,

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Thanks for giving me the time.
Brother. No, I'm a no

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no, no, no, no
no. And I just pray no,

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I pray, I pray that citizen
now. Like the water issue we rejected,

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the parking issue are rejected. They
tried to still portion. You forgot

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that blue ass airport, the demutualization
of Anthem, all of these things,

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all the money was spent lock boxes
with promises. And we have the best,

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we have the best faith pickers downtown. We should absolutely reject that.

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Do you trust me? Do you
trust pg? Pure of all? I

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do not trust our mayor pure of
all with my money. M O.

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N E. Y. I don't
know the mayor pure Ball. I've never

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met him. I've never had lunch
with him. I met him. I

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can just I've not met him.
He might be a nice guy, wonderful

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man. We good stresses. Smell
with an asset we've owned from one hundred

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and fifty four years smells goods unfair? How about this? You got peridof

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sitting there? Joe Dieters is on
the right one side, I'm on the

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other side. And both of us
looked at the pierval and said, how

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you feeling now? He said,
not good? Look right, and this

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isn't good anyway. We got to
run. Chris, keep walking with that

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lock box. If you're located,
let me know. I'm gonna look for

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the lock box. People find me
on at voat Smithermans, find us,

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look for a no on twenty two, Willie, I'm gonna we're gonna pound

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this into Novembers. Pound after that. No, look, even after they

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spend five million dollars, imagine when
I come on on November the eighth and

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they lost. Keep paying talk keep
pound. No, thank you, Christopher,

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thank you, Let's continue with more. I'm going an event that the

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three of us are sitting and I'm
going. I said, I, you're

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in trouble. He said, I
don't know. I don't like my position

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right here. Let's continue. Bill
Cunningham, News Radio seven hundreds, w

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l W Rocky Here. Who do
I trust for all my floorin needs?

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You know who it is. Shock
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