1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:16,760 Made destange, Oh pays sunny sund on ihdurasione nice so nat Hey, everybody, 2 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:21,600 welcome to for crying out loud, A little different voice starting the show 3 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:26,600 for us today. Hi Wana, Hi Stephanie. We're super excited because we 4 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,000 have a special guest that I forced to come on the show. And she's 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,920 a friend of mine. She's a comedian. She's an Emmy nominated WGA Award 6 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,520 winning writer for Conan. Yeah, she's wow. Yeah. She's also written 7 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,799 for The White House Correspondence, Dinner. Oh, we'll have to ask you 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,439 about that, The Late Late Show, and Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn. 9 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,640 She's performed stand up on Conan, The Late Late Show. You know, 10 00:00:53,799 --> 00:00:56,799 there's so many things in her in her bio, I don't have to read 11 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:00,119 you everything. She's also written two books, Dead People Suck and the New 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,760 York Times bestseller Shitty Mom. You guys probably read that. She's got a 13 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,680 podcast called The Jackie and Laurie Show. And right now she has a new 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,439 comedy special and it's called Cis Woke Grief Slut and it drops. It already 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,680 dropped. It's on Apple TV and I've watched it. It's super funny. 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,519 Her name is Laurie Kilmartin. Hi Laurie. Thanks you guys. This is 17 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,719 so exciting. What a beautiful studio you have too, Thank you. Thanks. 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,719 It's not ours, it is for the next hour, so I'm confidence. 19 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:36,840 Yes, it's our friend Patrick's house. He has a podcast called bad 20 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,040 TV. Oh cool. Yes. And when we left our previous studio, 21 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:47,280 we didn't we were studio lists, which is so sad. Ye don't have 22 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:52,879 studios, and our friend Patrick offered us his studio. Cool. Yeah, 23 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:57,319 worked out. So you're also a mom, correct, Yes, for a 24 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,719 like about six more months, and then he turns eighteen, right, and 25 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:05,519 I wash my hands of it. Yeah, it is, but he's only 26 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:07,360 a junior. We were talking before the show, and he's only a junior. 27 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:10,639 So you have another you have the rest of the school year, yeah, 28 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,879 and then you have next year. Yeah. You're lucky. Yeah, 29 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,800 because I'm thinking about it, and I know my kids graduate on June sixth 30 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,319 and turn eighteen on June seven Oh my god. Yeah, all in one 31 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,080 week. It's so huge because it end plus with twins. I mean, 32 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:32,400 the whole thing took over your life for eighteen years. Yeah, and now 33 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,280 what now? What? I mean some of it. I don't know if 34 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:40,280 that they're gonna leave home necessarily, housing prices, like like the whole world 35 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,960 that is offered to them is kind of, you know, a little terrifying. 36 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,360 I think I see my son staying at home for a couple of years 37 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:52,159 for sure. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird how when you have 38 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,240 a kid, especially I was when you're like a comedian, right then you 39 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,120 have a kid, and your whole life does change, even if you think 40 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,479 it's not going to and it's like your identity and I'm sure you were saying 41 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,039 like writing your act and writing jokes, and I've written all these books about 42 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,240 parenting. It just like it's so all consuming, right, and you got 43 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,879 especially when they're babies, and then their little kids, and then their you 44 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:22,000 know, grade school kids, and they're and then all of a sudden, 45 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,400 like they're grown, and you're like, oh shit, yeah what yeah, 46 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:30,759 I mean you just am I The responsibility takes over your whole brain, yes, 47 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,919 right, and then you you do the things you're supposed to do, 48 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,280 which is twenty you know, constantly checking, triple checking, all that kind 49 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,759 of stuff. And then at some point, you know they can they can 50 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,960 function without you, and you start, you can pull back a little bit, 51 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 and then it's just more and more pulling back. But I think you 52 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,919 get so because the first couple of years are so dangerous, you know, 53 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:58,400 like anything bake and walk any place and run into anything and step on anything 54 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,479 that you're your brain just grows this extra you know, sort of sense that 55 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,159 now what do I do with it? No one needs me to save their 56 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,759 life or make sure they don't run out into traffic or put that thing in 57 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,959 their mouth or whatever. And that thing never goes away, No, it 58 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,879 doesn't. Like for me, I still have my kids on life through sixty 59 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,720 and even like my older ones. So my older daughter is at community college 60 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,480 just for this year and then she's going to be going to going away, 61 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,279 but it's so hard to because she still lives at home. Yeah, so 62 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:35,040 I still feel like I need to know where she is all the time. 63 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,439 That's kind of time ahead. My thing will be too. Yeah, I 64 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:42,839 mean yeah, like at night, Like if it's late at night and I'm 65 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,959 like, well, I know she got off work a couple hours ago. 66 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Where is she? Yeah, Like I'll just check because it's like it's not 67 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,879 an invasion of her privacy. In my mind, it's more like, well, 68 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:54,399 I just want to make sure she's fine. Yeah, you know what 69 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,920 I mean. It's she doesn't have a curfew. Yah, But it's like, 70 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,680 well, she is coming home. But I wonder or if she lived 71 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,920 at home, or if she went to school and then came back and was 72 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,319 living I wonder if I'd be the same way. Probably would she let you 73 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,360 track her if she went out of state to school? I get, I 74 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:16,079 don't know. I have a friend whose son who went away to school, 75 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,120 our friend Robin, and her son was like, no, you have to 76 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,439 take me off Life through sixty now you can't track me. And I'm devastated, 77 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:29,319 and she was like, okay, but yeah, yeah it's it would 78 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:32,600 It's I don't know, I'm gonna be It's gonna be hard for me because 79 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,759 I'm so used to just checking on them and making you know, I just 80 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,160 want to know like they're okay. Yeah, And I know I'm like looking 81 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:43,439 she had her she in her class right now, or she had her dorm 82 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,279 right now, Like it tells you specifically, I don't have Life through sixty 83 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,839 because my son usually forgets his phone. That's our separate issue, which is 84 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:54,639 where. I don't know where he is age or forget his phone. I 85 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,399 know now I have the what do you call it? To find my people? 86 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:01,759 Okay, right, my friends? Yeah, find my friends. Yeah, 87 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,079 that's what I have. Yeah, but maybe they'll take me off. 88 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Yeah. My kid also doesn't drive yet, so I'm sure when he starts 89 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:14,000 driving, I will be tracking. Yeah, you know, so why doesn't 90 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,040 he drive? One of my kids is working hard at getting her license, 91 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,079 and the other one is not care. My son does not care. My 92 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,160 son goes I can walk to Popeyes, that's all he feels like he needs 93 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:30,040 to drive to. That's what my son he said. I can walk where 94 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,040 I'm saying places that I need to go, I can walk there. Yeah. 95 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,000 My son has a car and doesn't he rarely drives it. Wow, 96 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,920 walks everywhere he likes to walk. How How in LA are we raising nice 97 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,680 New York City kids? I don't get it. It's weird. I know 98 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,720 they are weird. But my daughter will not walk anywhere like she needs her 99 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,519 car. Right. Yeah, maybe it's a boy thing. Yeah, maybe 100 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,560 it might be because he is of my twins. My daughter is like hell 101 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,519 bent on getting her license and we're going Okay, slow down, you're not 102 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:08,879 quite ready yet, like we've been. But she wants to practice all the 103 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,319 time. Every day She's like, let me drive. I mean she has 104 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,720 her permit. She wanted to get her permit the second she was old enough 105 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,240 to get her permit. Yeah, and my son is not done. He's 106 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,680 signed up for to get his permit on the drivers direct and then he still 107 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:26,920 hasn't done even the online portion of it. I'm trying to push now. 108 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,399 You know. It's interesting. I wonder if the girls. You both of 109 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,639 your girls seem like they want to be independent as quickly as possible. And 110 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:35,600 I mentioned to my son lesson, I'm like, you, I want you 111 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:40,120 to eat your driver's license before you're at so you can practice driving around here, 112 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,600 so that when you start driving to community college, you're more comfortable and 113 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,879 you're more and I use like and you're more independent. And his eyes didn't 114 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,560 light up. You just want to like independent? Are you trying to kick 115 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:57,079 me out? Like maybe they want to be mothered Yeah, for a couple 116 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,680 extra years. R know. Wow, there's like that's saying that the Italian 117 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:09,000 sons usually stay with their moms until they're like married. I didn't realize I 118 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,800 was Italian. But yeah, but maybe yeah, I don't know, yeah, 119 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,879 something about the boys. Yeah, yeah, So I wanted to remind 120 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,120 you of something that we and I'm trying to remember what year it was, 121 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,160 but I feel like it was like twenty sixteen that we did this thing together. 122 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:31,519 We were both like, I think you had written Shitty Mom at this 123 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,639 point, possibly and I had written my book. Maybe I had just finished 124 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,960 doing the Parental Discretion. But we got hired to do this a sketch for 125 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,679 Pop Sugar. It was a website but they were doing videos and we'll show 126 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,519 a bit to video that everyone thought would change economy. Yes, and the 127 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,440 other girl that was in there with us was named Nikki. She did the 128 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,240 She did a bit a very a podcast that was really big call. It 129 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,840 was about her best friend dying of cancer and having sex, going like having 130 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:11,000 this whole sexual reawakening when she was anyway, Niki, Yeah, I remember, 131 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,080 I'm gonna have to look that up, Kaitlyn, Will you look this 132 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,399 up for me? NICKI podcast about best friend having cancer and it will it 133 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:22,840 should come right up. It was a really big podcast. Nicky Boyer, 134 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,639 Yes, oh okay, yeah, what was a podcast? Called uh dying 135 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,639 for sex? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay for that anyway she 136 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,879 played, So we were all given these parts of like playing these certain types 137 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,440 of moms. Yeah, and you were like if it's sex and the City, 138 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,840 you were the Carrie. You were like the relatable mom who's like, 139 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:45,759 oh my god, all these moms are crea. Then there was like a 140 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:48,799 drunk mom, right, and there was like and we were at some sort 141 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,399 of mom party, right, we were kind of dressed stuff or something. 142 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:58,559 Yes it was a mess, yes, but we all had to like know 143 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:01,519 the script, and yes it was supposed to be a party scene. But 144 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:09,960 what I really remember is that everybody, everybody was very I was very, 145 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:18,559 very scared politically of Trump and everybody. I remember that I couldn't because of 146 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:22,840 the way the conversation was. I couldn't figure out if you loved Trump or 147 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,039 if you didn't. And I was like, oh wow, I really wanted 148 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,440 to ask. I really wanted to ask. But it was one of those 149 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,480 weird things where it kind of pitted people against people if you were like you 150 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,080 know, and I just remember we were all kind of obsessed with it, 151 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:41,159 but I wasn't one hundred percent sure what side you were on so somehow are 152 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,639 you like, do you still have questions? Well, it's just so funny 153 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,519 because you're the opposite, because well, it took like a couple hours into 154 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,919 the day before I said something that was like, oh do you I can't 155 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,200 remember what I asked, and you were like no, what the fuck? 156 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:03,159 No? No, I hate him? Like and then and then I was 157 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,240 like, oh my god, we can be friends because we were talking and 158 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,679 like having fun. But you remember when it was just permeated the air. 159 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:16,639 I mean it was yea twen sixteen. Yeah, people were tense. Yeah 160 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,799 right, yeah, I don't think anyone stopped being dense. No, no, 161 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,480 no, it's it's even worse now. Yeah, but I'm just saying 162 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,679 at the time, I just remember being like, it just felt so weird 163 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,799 to just be at some house in like Palace Verdes, with everything that was 164 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:35,840 happening politically in the world and just being like, oh, we're just doing 165 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,320 stupid mom shit. Yeah right yeah, yeah, yeah. Had you written 166 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,039 shitty mom at that point? I wrote it came out in twenty twelve, 167 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,639 so okay, twenty sixteen for sure. Okay, So tell us about like 168 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:54,200 you're before having a kid, you were just doing stand up or yeah, 169 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,320 writing for stand up time I was writing for I wrote for Tough Crowd before 170 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,600 it I got pregnant. I was I had written for Tough Crowd and a 171 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,679 little bit on The Ferguson Show and then Too Late with Adam Caroll. I 172 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,879 wrote on that show. Oh, and then that's where I met you, 173 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,240 very quickly, at like the party at the end of the season. So 174 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,639 funny. Yeah, yeah, wow. And then I came back to New 175 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,320 York and I got pregnant sometime during that, so I had a little bit 176 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,120 of writing under my belt before I had the baby. Oh that's it. 177 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:28,919 Are you doing are you doing stand up now? Or or because you're just 178 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:33,159 tellous about your special like that's really cool. Oh thanks, Yeah, yeah, 179 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,000 I mean, you know, I've been doing stand up since eighty eight, 180 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,759 eighty seventy eighty, a long same. Yeah, but I stopped a 181 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:45,240 long time ago. But yeah, that's about when I started. My dream 182 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,759 is to stop and where did you? But where did you start? San 183 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,960 Francisco? Okay? Yeah, So yeah, I just kept doing it, 184 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,759 you know, even drought having a kid, and especially actually because it was 185 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,039 so such a wild nuclear bomb that I needed to talk about and stuff. 186 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,879 So yeah, it's just like an hour long, you know, snapshot. 187 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,399 I talk about my mom dying of COVID. I have a chunk of material 188 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,960 about that, about you know, parenting and being docksed by Fox News watchers 189 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,360 doing an abortion joke on MSNBC, and yeah, so a crazy stuff. 190 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:28,919 Yeah, yeah, So a long time ago, you started tweeting when your 191 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,200 dad was sick, right right, right right. That was the first thing 192 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,639 that happened, and people started you started developing like a following. Yeah, 193 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,360 it was weird. I just was my dad was. He was in hospice 194 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:45,000 and with lung cancer, and I'm just stuck at the house. I didn't 195 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,240 want to leave the house in case he died. I didn't want to like 196 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,080 go out do a set and come back, and I, you know, 197 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,039 had missed my dad's last words or whatever. So I just started tweeting little 198 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,360 jokes about what it was like to sit with your parent as they died, 199 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:03,279 and because I couldn't tell him on stage at night. And then people started, 200 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,639 you know, paying attention to that kind of thing. And then somebody 201 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,600 like, did anybody beg retweet you? I think did? Patton Oswald was 202 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,720 like, holy shit, Laurie's dad's dying and she's tweeting about it, and 203 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,919 so that directed a lot of attention to me. Yeah, and then I 204 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:24,879 did a special about it, and I wrote a book about it, Okay, 205 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,759 Yeah, and then then I kind of did a similar thing while my 206 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:33,159 mom got COVID because she lived with me. She moved in with me, 207 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,039 and she lived with me for four years and helped me with my son so 208 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,919 I could run out and do sets without paying fifty dollars to a babysitter. 209 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,960 And so you didn't get along with her that well, we you know, 210 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,159 as much as mother daughters do. I mean, it's you know, it's 211 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,159 a tough one. Yeah, mother daughter. Yeah, and her own mom 212 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,200 died when she was young, so she didn't have you know, she had 213 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,559 all this stuff and never went to a day of therapy, you know, 214 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:05,440 so she had whatever, she had her issues, and she was you know, 215 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:11,480 Republican as a lot her parents are. And so yeah, we didn't 216 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 get along in those ways. But you know, she loved my son and 217 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:16,799 so you know she and she led me too. Was just you know, 218 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,240 mother daughter stuff. It's hard. It's hard, and we're in a thousand 219 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,360 square foot house with one bathroom, so you know, there's you can't get 220 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:31,919 away from anyone. So she ended up she had fallen as old people do, 221 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,679 and we took her to the hospital and they they sent her to a 222 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:41,440 rehab sent her to you know, like a skilled nursing facility so she could 223 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,519 rehab her leg a little bit. And that's where she got COVID, and 224 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,960 so I started tweeting about that too, and that also she died early in 225 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,279 COVID. So I think a lot of people if they were telling about their 226 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,639 parents or whoever was had died, it was afterwards. And I was sort 227 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:02,240 of doing it during the whole, you know, having them on the iPad 228 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,519 and just having taken the iPad around the house constantly and talking to them even 229 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,679 though she was unconscious, you know, that whole. It was just just 230 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,159 it was June. She hadn't come home. She was still in the rehion 231 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,240 didn't She never came home, So she went to the rehab place, she 232 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,240 got COVID. They moved over to Huntington Hospital in Pasadena, and then we 233 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,879 had to My sister is a psychiatrist, so she belongs to a women's physicians 234 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,759 group on Facebook, and they lobbied for us to be able to go visit 235 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,919 my mom. At the time, they were like, you can't visit and 236 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:38,759 Huntington was one of the last holdouts of letting people visit someone with COVID. 237 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,120 We got them to let us go, and so we had to dress up 238 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:48,480 head to toe and beekeeper outfits and like, you know, no skin was 239 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,879 exposed. Were holding our mom's hand with you know, plastic gloves and all 240 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,240 that kind of stuff. It's like it's ebola, yes, exactly. It 241 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,080 looked we dressed free bowl, right. I thought that's a good way to 242 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,120 put it. Yeah. Yeah, that's got to be brutal. Yeah, 243 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,680 but also fun in comedy terms. So there's stuff about that on the special 244 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,640 and whatever. Yeah, so it seems almost like you believe that COVID's real. 245 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:18,640 I knew this podcast would take a turn. Yeah, this is an 246 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:26,920 intervention. It's not it's not real. Wow. So so you I feel 247 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:32,119 like, have mind comedy from lots of dark places? Have you always been 248 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,440 like that? Yeah? But but I didn't have a ton of dark things 249 00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:40,319 happen. Uh, I mean I guess I had. You know, it's 250 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,680 the usual coach, you know, we all we've all I'm sure all been 251 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,200 through that as young women, but like, you know, uh, I 252 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,200 guess I was ready when the real shit hit the fan, you know, 253 00:17:55,559 --> 00:18:00,880 for like to you know, dive into talking about death and loss of a 254 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,599 parents and all that kind of stuff. I was pretty ready for it comedically 255 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,839 when it happened. So do you think that having a kid and talking about 256 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:14,160 being a mom, like, do you think it's helped or hurt your stand 257 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,799 up? I would say helped one hundred percent. It just gives you something 258 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,160 else in common with the audience. And then even if you're talking to you 259 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,920 know, all these shows where the audience is like in their twenties and none 260 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,480 of them were parents, and they may not even want to be, but 261 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,000 they're very close to my son's age. So I kind of, you know, 262 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,519 you can kind of you know, you're not so disconnected from young people 263 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,920 because you've got one or two or three in the house and you know, 264 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,720 so I don't know. I for me, both ways, it helped me 265 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,519 connect with audience members who were parents, and then I think it helps connect 266 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,839 with younger audience members because you just have like, I know what you I 267 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,960 know the TV shows you watch, right, I know the anime you watch, 268 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,759 Yeah, I watch it too. Yeah, my son, So I 269 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:04,960 know kind of what you're talking about. Not everything, but kind of right. 270 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:10,960 Right, So when you were when you were in San Francisco, did 271 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,519 you grow up there Walnut Creek, it's a suburb east of San Francisco, 272 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,200 Okay, And then did you always know you wanted to Like when did you 273 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,480 know you wanted to start stand up? Because you obviously started young. I 274 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,039 started when I was twenty two, but it wasn't I didn't. It was 275 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,759 only after seeing like I went and saw a bunch of comedy in San Francisco's 276 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,000 a great place to see it. It still is, but only when I 277 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:38,000 saw someone who wasn't very good, like continue, i would see their name 278 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,079 pop up on all the flyers, and I'm like, they're not even They're 279 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,920 not even funny. I'm like, well, maybe I could try it. 280 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,960 Yeah, that is how I've done my whole career. I swear to God. 281 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:53,440 I you know Bonnie McFarlane. I love Bonnie. Yeah, so she 282 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:59,599 and I are really it's one of my closest friends. And when we used 283 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,839 to have this conversation all the time, I was like, that is the 284 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,000 only way that I try anything new. That I do anything is by going, 285 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,279 well, there's somebody shitty or somebody's shitty doing it. I used to 286 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,680 wait tables at open mic nights at comedy clubs when I was too scared to 287 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:15,880 try stand up. I worked at the laugh Factory. I wrote White Bees. 288 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,359 I worked at these clubs, Oh my god. And I would see 289 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,680 terrible comics and I would be like, you know what if this person who's 290 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,240 getting no laughs, I'm not going to be worse than that person. I 291 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,200 may not be better than them, but I'm not going to get be worse 292 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,720 because that person just bombed. But they're doing the thing that I think I 293 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,880 want to do. So that's how I would make myself do it. I 294 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,839 mean, if you ever read a novel that's described as hilarious and you're like, 295 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:47,960 what, yes, I smiled once it was okay, yeah, yeah, 296 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,759 I mean that I started and not all right, Writing a novel is 297 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:52,640 a hard thing, so I haven't finished it. But I was like, 298 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:59,799 the hilarious novels drive me insane because they're almost never funny, right right, 299 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,920 right, Okay, let's take a quick break and we're back. That is 300 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:10,960 so true, So you I just set expectations low for myself and then I'm 301 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,279 like, okay, that went fine. Yeah right, But comedians, I 302 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,839 think it's easier to write something that's funny because we have, you know, 303 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:25,039 our hour. Not that funny is still funnier than somebody who's not a funny 304 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,400 person most funny, right right? Yeah? So did when you started out 305 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,759 where you was your group like Margaret cho Greg Barrin. Yes, I'm just 306 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,119 gonna say after after you said Margaret, I'm like Greg, Tony, Kamene, 307 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:42,079 Kevin kind of Oka, Karen Anderson. Karen Anderson was like one of 308 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,720 the founding you know, writers of Ellen's Afternoon, you know, yes, 309 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,400 yes, yeah, who else? Ray James, Dave Anthony. We were 310 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,720 all, you know, various nights hanging out at the Holy City Zoo waiting 311 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:03,359 for our turn. Wow. And then when did you move to la Let's 312 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,079 see, I go back and forth, but I moved here for Conan in 313 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,839 twenty ten or excuse me, twenty eleven. Basically, oh, okay, 314 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,559 did you get that? That's amazing? Just I had done packets for him 315 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,400 a couple times, for actually all three shows, and so the TVs show 316 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,599 is the one that did it. But I had tried to get on Late 317 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,519 Night and I tried to get on the Tonight Show. Was it fun? 318 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,559 How long did you work on Conan the whole run of the show seek twenty 319 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,440 ten or I guess it was twenty ten to twenty twenty one, so eleven 320 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,480 years. Wow. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, that's awesome. It 321 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,880 was fun. I mean the last you know, year was hard because of 322 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,319 COVID and stuff, and it just you know, when we ended in June 323 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:56,160 of twenty one, it was after after everyone had a lot of people had 324 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:02,839 gotten vaccinated, but right before people started being angry about vaccines, and right 325 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,000 before Delta, the Delta variant, So it felt it was that feeling of 326 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,559 we're free, We're done with this nightmare, right And so we had live 327 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,240 shows at Largo and they were really really fun. But you know, it 328 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:19,000 was like a year over a year of you know, everyone on Zoom meetings 329 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:26,519 and shows and it it you know, it was so weird to when we 330 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,680 left the office in March at twenty twenty, it was like we're going off 331 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:33,920 on a hiatus week and I just remember saying, we might not be back 332 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,599 for a little while, you know, because no one really knew what the 333 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,160 COVID thing was. It was kind of like sneaking up on us. And 334 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,519 then the next time I was back was when they had taken the studio down 335 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:51,599 already and they had they had like the whole the whole set, the whole 336 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,599 Conan set was just piles of wood in the studio. I remember just I 337 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,240 peeked in and I was like, I wish I hadn't it. It looked 338 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,680 like a bomb had exploded. And then because we all get you know, 339 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,599 we're let in to grab our stuff out of our office. You know, 340 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,319 this is one at a time. Yeah, it was like, oh, 341 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,720 this isn't you know, this isn't the way anyone wanted it to end, 342 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,920 you know, but that's how it did end. But it was a great 343 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,559 job. I really loved it. Yeah, did he call it quit or 344 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,440 he did? Yeah? I think, you know, you know, I 345 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:33,519 think COVID accelerated. You know, it was just everyone was tired of working 346 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:40,200 from home and everything. But I think he really loved doing the podcast. 347 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:44,279 He started his podcast and he didn't have to do hair and makeup, and 348 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200 he could have these really long conversations and he could be more himself. And 349 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,279 if you listen to the podcast, like that's exactly how he is all the 350 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,720 time at work, you know, just kind of always ball busting but funny 351 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,160 and self deprecating and stuff. And I think he, you know, the 352 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,559 constraints of a of an hour long show and then a half hour long show 353 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,519 or you know, you have like two or three minutes max with somebody you 354 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,880 know, and you can't be your true true self, you know, because 355 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,640 you have tourists that were that were you know, cold from uh some boulevard 356 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,799 and put you know. It's so I think it's more fun. And I 357 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,720 think he, you know, really just enjoyed that from he hadn't I don't 358 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,160 know, I guess because he'd been doing this show since the early nineties, 359 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,599 so he'd never really had that, you know, time off, like he 360 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,279 had a whole family and he never really had more than two weeks off to 361 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,079 hang out with his kids and stuff like that. So I think he really 362 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:48,000 enjoyed that. So, uh, that's probably that probably also led to him 363 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,720 deciding not to do it anymore. And also late night as a genre is 364 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,960 just changing so quickly and so much like no one watches it when it aired 365 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,240 or the people that do watch when it airs, are you know, aging 366 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,799 and we'll be dying soon and everyone else kind of watches it as the clips 367 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,519 come up, you know, So the future of Late Night is is also 368 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,519 you know, it's not locked in. You kind of don't know. Yeah, 369 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480 do you feel do you feel like what am I going to do? 370 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,440 Yes? There is every day. I mean right now, I'm just doing 371 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,440 stand up on the road and it's okay, you know, I mean I 372 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:32,039 love it. It's really fun. Money wise, it's okay. You know, 373 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,160 it's quite a hit from what I was making on Conan, but my 374 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,039 expenses haven't really changed, so you know, I'm going through savings quicker than 375 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,799 I wanted to and going, oh my god, I can touch my IRA 376 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,359 in a year. Okay, you know, like I wanted to put that 377 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,359 off till I was like eighty and not grab it at fifty nine and a 378 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,519 half and a day. But you know, you never know, do you 379 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,839 want to write on another show? Or yeah? I would love it? 380 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,680 I mean it was fun, yeah, fun. Yeah, it's hard because 381 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,079 it has all really changed, and the type of shows that there are to 382 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,759 write on are like that's changing, you know what, there aren't like you 383 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,000 said, there aren't these kind of late night shows, or if they are, 384 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,200 they're very transient. You know, they're they're trying something new, and 385 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,680 then they're off, and you know it's it's hard. I mean, and 386 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,799 coming back from the strike, I think everyone was like, all right, 387 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,000 here we go, and I don't know, like the studios are like, 388 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:37,920 I don't know, maybe we'll just show reruns for ten years and teach you 389 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,039 guys a lesson. You know. So everything's really although someone told me that 390 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:47,279 was because of the looming Iatzi strike. You know, if Iatzi strikes, 391 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:52,000 then everything shuts down again. It's like, guys, like the Writer's Guild 392 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:56,480 got almost everything they asked for, the actor SAG got most of what they 393 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,119 asked for. Like, you're gonna give Iatzi pretty much what they asked for, 394 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,200 So let's just do it and get back in business. What what's what's 395 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,759 with these in these months long delays that hurt everybody except the CEO who gets 396 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,519 you know, zas Lov got like a huge extra bonus for killing the industry. 397 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,240 Yeah, it's weird. I mean, television's changed so much. Yeah, 398 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,400 there's not any sitcoms that are huge anymore. I know, like there's 399 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,160 not I mean there's Avid Elementary is the one that's broken through that I think 400 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,079 everyone's seen at least once and some people watch all the time. But everything 401 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,400 else is like stuff's been on for seven season and seasons and I just hear 402 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,839 of it because of a tweet that comes through, and like, why how 403 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,680 are you on CBS for seven seasons? I don't know, you know, 404 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,960 it's really weird. I know it is, and like like even like Modern 405 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,720 Family had such a good long run, and then you know, there really 406 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,680 just isn't any like must see TV really anymore, you know, like it 407 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,599 used to be, right, and I guess it's the our attention span maybe, 408 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,720 or even just just seeing clips instead online, you know, like John 409 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,240 Stewart on The Daily Show, Like I don't even need to watch it because 410 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,200 I come across as you'll get it. Yeah, clips, all of them 411 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160 I see, Like I all right, Like I basically saw his whole Monday 412 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,480 Night show on Instagram, right right right? It keeps coming up. Yeah, 413 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,200 So yeah, it's just weird. Yeah, I mean and there's so 414 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:34,359 much more to watch too, yes, so many more channels that we're not 415 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,279 all watching the same things. Like it's weird when I think of the references 416 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,519 my kid and your kids too have, like it's not common references. I'm 417 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,359 watching The Americans with my son, and so have you seen that show at 418 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,240 all? Now? Oh, it's so good. It's my third time watching 419 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,680 the whole thing. But it's about uh, these were real life, although 420 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:03,440 the show isn't about the actual couple, but Russians would they would send d 421 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:10,720 they would train KGB agents to be completely Americanized, and they would just infiltrate 422 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,400 the United States and there were some that lived like in DC or Jersey and 423 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680 all that kind of stuff. And and so this is about a couple that 424 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:23,920 are are Russian KGB agents and they live as Americans and they live across the 425 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,000 street from an FBI agent who's hunting Russians. And it's it's a great show. 426 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,759 But it also takes place during the Reagan administration. And I'm like just 427 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,079 explaining a lot of stuff because oh, I'm like, oh, I live 428 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,920 through that. This is my Like, I'm the same age as Page. 429 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,839 The daughter that's she's a couple of years younger than me. And so it's 430 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,039 just I keep going. And I was at a show last week where a 431 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:52,599 friend of mine references the the the fall of Saigon, you know, like 432 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,640 like it's the last helicopter out of Saigon. And I'm like, our kids 433 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,720 aren't even gonna know what the fuck they're talking about, Like you have I'm 434 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,799 like, you have to, you don almost have to do the Afghanistan War 435 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,960 to get do they even? I don't know. It just their history and 436 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,880 their sense of what a common reference is so different from us, and we 437 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,920 have so much in our brains that they don't. They're never gonna will never 438 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,839 feel comfortable or like secondhand knowledge to them. It's so weird. Yeah, 439 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,440 maybe every generation goes through this, though, Yeah. Maybe. Well I 440 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:30,319 think about the fact that so many people don't like nine to eleven feels like 441 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,880 yesterday to me, you know, and it's like this dumb thing they have 442 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:40,319 to learn in history, right, It's like how we learned about Pearl Harbor. 443 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960 And you're like, oh, there's still Pearl Harbor people alive, whoa 444 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:48,119 wow, But there are thousands of years old and we're the Pearl Harbor people 445 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:49,680 now, right, But we could talk about nine to eleven. It's so 446 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,599 hard, I mean, because nine to eleven is not just I mean, 447 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:59,759 that was that was a humongous thing. I was writing on a show. 448 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640 It was you know, I mean, we didn't go to work that day, 449 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,079 and then when we went to work, all the writers were like in 450 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,799 a room crying together. Everybody knew somebody and people like and we had a 451 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,880 British boss. It was I was working on whose line is it? Anyway? 452 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Oh? And our boss came in and he was like, well, 453 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,839 I know you're all very upset about this, but there is a show to 454 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160 write. Let's get back to work. And we were like this guy, 455 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,359 this fucking guy, he doesn't get it. He's not American. You know, 456 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,359 he probably grew up in London after the bombing, so he's you know, 457 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:36,279 there's the there's they lived, went through World War two in their own 458 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,119 city night, So yeah, right, I don't care. But it's just 459 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,799 like I remember, you know, the world changed that day, and like, 460 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,680 you know, most a lot of people were not even born yet. 461 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,680 I know, I lived in New York City on nine to eleven, and 462 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:54,039 just that whole week afterwards of people had put in their handmade posters of their 463 00:32:54,079 --> 00:33:00,559 loved ones all over New York City and like maybe like one or two days 464 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,440 for a day or two you're like, well, maybe they're trapped under the 465 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,880 rubble and they'll be found. And then each day that goes on, you're 466 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440 like, oh, this, this person's dead, this child's dead, this 467 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,759 mom's dead. Like it's then by the end of the week, it's it 468 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,000 was like just oh they were that these pictures of looking for became like unspoken 469 00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,880 obituaries of these people. It was. It's so haunting think about it. 470 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,920 Like Adam's agent at the time lived in New York in one of the suburbs, 471 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:36,680 and he told us that like seven guys on his street didn't come home 472 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:43,359 that we're gone. Yeah, yeah, that's in that like seven neighbors. 473 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,359 I'll never like, just that tiny tidbit just stuck in MyD It just felt 474 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,720 so yeah. And then they went to New York like a week after for 475 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:59,240 like the Hugh Hefner roast Adam and Jimmy. Adam and Jimmy went on. 476 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,319 Yeah, they went, and I was supposed to go, and I was 477 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,039 like, fuck, no, I ain't getting on a plane, No way, 478 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,679 I'm going to New York have fun. Like I was looking forward to 479 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,679 it, but I was like, oh no, hell I was. I 480 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,119 was not flying anytime. Soon, right, And and then Adam told me 481 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:21,079 that Jimmy was like they were like sitting near the front of the plane and 482 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440 Jimmy was like, we're gonna we're gonna take anybody down, and we're gonna 483 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,239 anybody. He's like, Adam, you're a big guy, You're a roller. 484 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,239 We're gonna roll. He's like, anybody's like, I got my eye 485 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,280 on that cockpit. And Adam's like, as soon as we take off, 486 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,840 Jimmy's like his mouth is open. His past guy, he's flound asleep. 487 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,760 He's like snoring out. I love when men planned to take down uh yeah, 488 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,920 kidnappers and yeah right and fuck him up. Yes, but yeah, 489 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,519 it was. It was crazy nine to eleven. And I try and teach 490 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,320 my kids some like, you know, every year it comes around and there's 491 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,280 like the specials on TV. I'm like, look at me. I could 492 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,280 look I you know, your parents grew like I was. I was working 493 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,719 at ABC during this time, Like yeah, whatever, exactly, you know, 494 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,599 Okay, it doesn't feel as close to them as I mean, World 495 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,400 War One feels as close to them as nine to eleven, does, you 496 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,239 know? Right, right, let's take another quick break. But then they 497 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,360 all knew where they were. When Jojo Siwa said she was gay, well, 498 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,880 I guess that's a mother of daughter things said, I have. No, 499 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:31,840 I didn't. I only learned who she was later. But yeah, 500 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:37,239 okay, yeah, I mean in a way it does make us hipper though 501 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,400 in the like watching Quiet on the set, which we watch it, okay, 502 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,679 so disturbing. Yeah, well I almost felt like it was my not 503 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,719 nine to eleven, but in the way of like, oh, I lived 504 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,360 through all those shows because I carle all those shows that Dan Schneider was in 505 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,760 charge of were from my kids watching TV era Drake and Josh and like, 506 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,559 you know, you pick it up through osmosis. You don't necessarily have to 507 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,719 sit down and watch it. But I mean my kids were raised on you 508 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,679 know, uh I Carly and Victorious and all these and Bunked and what's the 509 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,320 one with Debbie? Oh my god, what Jessie? Yeah, hey, 510 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,079 Jesse and we I mean, all those theme songs are firmly implanted in my 511 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,840 brain, you know, so that when I when there's something like Quiet on 512 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,360 the set, I'm like, I almost feel like I was a kid. 513 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,639 Yeah that era being the bomb of that era, but our kids don't have 514 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,280 that same thing with adult stuff. But this is why I believe that our 515 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,719 memories are so bad, is because we know too much shit, Like we 516 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,280 lived through too much. We have so much information that our kids don't have. 517 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,360 Yeah, they don't have to remember as much stuff as we do. 518 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:57,000 So that's why when new information, when we come across new information, we 519 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,920 have to lose a little bit of old information. Yeah, how much can 520 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,519 how much gray matter do you have? And we're in a built for this 521 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,239 right exactly? So Okay, so you like to write on a show again 522 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:14,760 just for that that daily Like I like the collaboration, I like the money, 523 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,519 I like the health insurance. But but also like you know, it's 524 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,000 it's fun to write for it's fun to write comedy and for late night. 525 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,119 It's fun to write at that day and see it on TV that night, 526 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,360 and you know, it's the whole immediacy of it is really fun. It 527 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,800 is weird to see I've never worked on like a half hour show, but 528 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,079 the delay and constant tweaking, Like at some point you don't have time to 529 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:44,559 tweak something because the show starts in four minutes and so it's it is how 530 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,920 it is, and you can't tweak it, and so sometimes stuff goes out 531 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,199 raw and like awful. But you know, it's also nice to just go 532 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,880 it's done, stop talking about it, and just you know, let's go. 533 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,719 Yeah, I had were There are a lot of women on the staff 534 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,000 of Conan. Yeah, there were more. I was the first one that 535 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,719 of the TBS crew, and then Jesse Gaskell came a little bit later, 536 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,239 and Leah Krinsky. I remember Lea christ Yeah, yeah, I think she's 537 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:22,639 doing she's also a licensed psychologist or psychiatry maybe psychologist or therapist something where, 538 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,639 yeah, she can help you, And I think she's doing that. Again, 539 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:31,280 that's cool. I'm like to help that skill. That's a good skill 540 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,840 to have, it really is. Yeah. I mean comedy too, that's 541 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,639 good. It's better than comedy writing right now, for sure, I feel 542 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:42,119 like I never had. I don't know if you feel the same way. 543 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,599 Something else I could do Because I wanted to be a comedian when I was, 544 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,679 you know, in my very early twenties, and I thought, I 545 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,159 just want to be a comedian and that's it. And then when I was 546 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,679 a comedian, I was like, Okay, I kind of like this. 547 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,280 But it's also I don't like the feeling of being scared every single time I 548 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,519 do it, and that was my thing. I would just get so nervous 549 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,880 and I just didn't like that. But it was like, well, what 550 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,800 else can I The only other thing that was like comedy adjacent was writing, 551 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,960 and then so once I got into writing, it was like, well, 552 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,920 I have to keep doing this because what there's nothing else I would not be 553 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:23,559 happy. I couldn't just go be a psychiatrist. Psychiatrist, like as if 554 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,760 anybody could. Yeah, I mean I am part time psychiatrist, but I 555 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,960 didn't go to school. That's just based on instinct. Yeah right, right 556 00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:34,760 right, But I'm just saying, like I could. I can't imagine like 557 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,079 going back to school and start and trying to do something different now, I 558 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:43,199 mean, god bless people that did. Yeah, but I'm stuck. Yeah, 559 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,320 but it's like what profession are we stuck in right now? Like it 560 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,880 doesn't you know. Part of me's like I got to finish my specscript and 561 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,199 I'm like, DoD, why what's happening? Right? So I'm sort of 562 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400 like leaning into stand up and posting a lot of clips all that kind of 563 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,760 stuff. What was it like writing for the Correspondence Dinner. Oh, it 564 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,760 was just Conan, it was hosting it. It was fun, fun, 565 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:15,000 and uh, yeah, I have a I have a screenshot of ConA telling 566 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:20,599 a joke about Mitt Romney and they the camera went to Obama and he's laughing, 567 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,440 but it's that laugh of I shouldn't be laughing at this, and I'm 568 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,920 like, ooh, I love it. So yeah, yeah, that was 569 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:30,000 that's been fun. Yeah, tell us the story about the abortion joke. 570 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:32,800 I know you talked about it on Ye Marin, but I don't know if 571 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,559 there's a lot of crossover. Yeah, anyway, I just was, uh, 572 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,159 you know, MSNBC has these shows where you can zoom in as a 573 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,800 guest and sometimes they have comedians as guests. It was it was Aiman show 574 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,519 on Sunday night. It was Mother's Day night, and I don't know, 575 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,639 my son was like fifteen at this point. Mother's Day's over. You know. 576 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,559 I had to remind him to give me something. He'll draw something for 577 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,119 me, right if they're not an elementary school forget. Yeah. So, 578 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,719 uh, it was the weekend that they leaked that Roe was going to be 579 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,280 overturned. If you remember that week and everyone was like, what the fuck? 580 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:12,079 Yes, and so I just made a dumb little joke about it about 581 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:16,400 who the leaker was, and that joke, uh, really angered a lot 582 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,159 of people. And it was a joke, it was. It's not that 583 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,599 good of a joke. That's why I hate repeating it. But I said, 584 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,920 I hope the leakers are Republican because I want to find him, have 585 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,920 sex with him, get pregnant, and joyfully aboard the fetus. Okay, 586 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:31,880 that was it, right? It was more like a quip. It's a 587 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,639 quip. It wasn't. I wouldn't even officially. It was more like an 588 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,480 under you know, a low voice, little quip to move the conversation. 589 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:45,239 It wasn't like And that got clipped out on a bunch of right wing talk 590 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:52,440 shows like late like Facebook shows, and then that got all the way up 591 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,840 to Sean Hannity and he did a segment, Oh my god, you know, 592 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,800 like a whole segment, yeah, with Lara Trump and like Pam Bondy, 593 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:07,360 who's the former Attorney General of Florida and was the one that led him 594 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,400 off on the fraud case Trump University, which had she not done that, 595 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,360 had she prosecuted him, he made not even you know, gone the next 596 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,760 step to run for president. So so so then what happened? So how 597 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,800 did you find out that Sean Hannity did a did a text? So it 598 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,119 was like you said it that night and then the next day everything was just 599 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,039 set a Sunday night and no one watches MSNBC on Mother's Day night. I 600 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,920 got. I watched MSNBC religiously and I don't even know that show. Yeah, 601 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,159 so so I think maybe my manager like, hey, I flipping through 602 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,599 the channel, saw you. Whatever it was. I got zero feedback whatsoever. 603 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,400 And then uh, somebody in MSNBC sent put the clip on media mediaites 604 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,719 this site where they it's a little troll farm where and so they said comedians, 605 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,119 she's no. They called me a guest, they said guest or maybe 606 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239 woman Democrats something where I sounded like I was a spokes person for Obama instead 607 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,199 of a stand up comic. Right, guest says she joyfully abort Republican fetus 608 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,960 or something like that, which, of course, of course that's going to 609 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,079 get picked up by Republicans, right, And so that's how it that's how 610 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,039 it got into the system. Okay, the system of the anger system. 611 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:32,679 You know, MSNBC did It wasn't like crowded was watching their show. They 612 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,320 helped there. It's there. They they're they're psychotic both, you know, 613 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:42,199 both sides of it. To me. Uh, they what they feed and 614 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,400 what they keep going. And they're just constantly shoveling coal into the it's a 615 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,119 whole machine. Yeah, I need the metaphor the oven or whatever, but 616 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,599 you know, to keep it going. So Sean Hannity does it like the 617 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:58,159 next night he did a Monday night. Yeah. Wow. And then somebody 618 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,119 texted you, yeah, like are you watching this or I'm like, uh 619 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,039 no, I'm not, what are you talking about? And then I saw 620 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:09,280 it, of course, and then and then just the emails for several days 621 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:16,679 were so uh vicious and rude and mean, and you know, how are 622 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,559 people finding you? Were they tweeting at you? And you found your email? 623 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,679 I think I had my email on my website. Uh huh, So 624 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:30,199 you were getting random not people. Oh yeah, I just ran there was 625 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,400 oh there's this one guy. And I responded to a lot of them and 626 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,480 then got in fights with them, and I'm like, this is not a 627 00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,239 good use of my time, but I always I do like to fight with 628 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,320 people. Before then I get tired, because then it's then it's like it 629 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,199 feels like it's one man, but his head has been put into twenty thousand 630 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:50,559 different men. So they all they all say the same thing, right, 631 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,280 so some of it could be boughts. I solve that. Yeah, I 632 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,079 mean, I what, I don't know to keep that rage going. I 633 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:04,119 think they they're our bots that do respond in a similarly I mean AI bots 634 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:06,199 or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but go on. So this 635 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,880 one guy in Florida was like outraged he and his wife were never able to 636 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,320 have children's all right. So then so I'm like, I'm sorry, you 637 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,199 know, but I'm you know, I'm a comedians. I don't know. 638 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,679 I just kind of pleasantly responded. And then he's like, I can't believe 639 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,159 replied to me. But then he goes, but since you're a computer expert, 640 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,079 like the fact that I responded to his email, I him think that 641 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,760 I was neverble tech. Yeah, he goes, how did you find my 642 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:44,639 email? You must be some sort of woman, are you with the C 643 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:51,400 I A, yes, I replied, because I'm I'm when I whenever I 644 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:58,599 go on the on the internet, there's these ads for uh gay cruises O 645 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,119 wow, which we know means he's looking at gay but he doesn't know that. 646 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,280 And I'm like, well, is there someone else that has access to 647 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,199 a computer, maybe a handy man, maybe there. I gave him every 648 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,639 at I'm like, maybe someone's looking at gayborn on your computer. And it's 649 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,880 like, I'll look into it. That you and the good that's funny, 650 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,719 that's amazing. I love you. You should have said like, have your 651 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,000 wife It sounds like this is like a email me so she can also express 652 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,920 her displeasure at me and I can talk if I can help. Yeah, 653 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,400 hilarious. So it but it kind of died down after like a week. 654 00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:44,320 But for a while it was scary and people threatened me and stuff, and 655 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,719 I ended up getting like a home like a simply safe home security system, 656 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,000 which is not cheap. And then but then it's sort of it's it's like 657 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:57,960 it's very intense, and then they are directed by the shows they watch to 658 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,119 be mad about something else and they go away, they go on to something 659 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,880 else. Yeah, yeah, did you learn your lesson or do you still? 660 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,639 Would you still be happy to do a joke like that? I would 661 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,679 not, you know, I Yeah, I talked about it. Yeah, 662 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,079 I did abortion jokes stuff, but I don't think I would go on MSNBC. 663 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,199 I was very disappointed that they participated, Like no one asked about me, 664 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,880 no one said, oh, sorry, this is all happening. They 665 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,840 just they because they contributed to it. Yeah, I would not I would 666 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,239 not appear on any of those shows again. Yeah, got it? Okay, 667 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:36,719 Well tell us about before we go your special. It's called Woke Sis 668 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,599 Woke Sis woke grief slug. Yes, so yeah. I named it that 669 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:49,119 because there's a there's a chunk about trans women that's positive. Yes, I 670 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,320 know, sis women need them, and I just wanted to do that to 671 00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:58,920 sort of offset, you know, the guys in my age range that are 672 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:02,119 coming on the coming at that issue from the other side. And I was 673 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:08,159 like, I was so so happy to I mean, I just loved your 674 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,920 special so much. I want everybody to watch it because it's there is so 675 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,840 much of that, like Joe rogankrowd like you know, and a lot of 676 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,039 comedians that are kind of railing against cancel culture to me for the wrong reasons. 677 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,719 You know, there is cancel culture and it's not great, but some 678 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,159 people are worried that they're getting canceled for the wrong reasons. It's like, 679 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,400 well, stop punching down. And I felt like your special was sort of 680 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,760 the opposite of that. It was like basically explaining without explaining what you know, 681 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,800 that we should punch up and not punch down. And I thought that, 682 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,639 But it also with lots of jokes and not being afraid to talk about 683 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,039 things that, you know, talking about porn, talking about your son watching 684 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,639 porn, or that whole you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, 685 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,360 yeah, yeah. I mean most of what I talk about on stage or 686 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,920 joke about is stuff that happens maybe, but also when I just see something 687 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,840 that irritates me in current culture, I'll talk about that too. So I 688 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,800 guess that that little check of material about trans women is kind of me reacting 689 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:21,360 to everyone else reacting to something that is in them. It's like, we 690 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,039 should only actually be hearing from trans women about trans women. Why why am 691 00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:28,920 I talking about it? Why are all these straight guys talking? You know? 692 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,559 I mean, like, why, Well, I'm going to talk about 693 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:36,039 it because you're talking about it, and so and I'll do a positive from 694 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,079 my little corner of the world. You know. That's great. Where did 695 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,559 you film it? Oh? The El Portel Theater nice in uh NoHo, 696 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,360 Yeah, right around here, yeah, el Portal. Now this is what's 697 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,760 the company that you did this, Comedy Dynamics. Comedy Dynamics. So they 698 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:58,400 so how did that work? They filmed like seventeen specials in four days? 699 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,519 Oh wow? Yeah, and it's a lot of work. Like I was 700 00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,480 the fourth one that night, and I could tell everyone was super tired, 701 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,760 you know, and your special is an hour long? Yeah yeah yeah, 702 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,880 all of them where yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was it a lot 703 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,840 of material that you already had or when you got the special where you like 704 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,199 having to go, you know, go on tour and workshop a bunch of 705 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,400 material. I think I got it maybe like in December. I mean, 706 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,079 I'm always just trying to write more stuff, so it's not like, oh 707 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,920 now, all right, I'm always tinkering with things and trying to get more 708 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,840 material because I'm I get bored with older stuff, and the sooner I can 709 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,559 dump it, the better. So I was like, oh, I can 710 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,360 dump on a bunch of material and the special and never tell it again. 711 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,280 That's good. And although I'm still telling some of it because I don't I'm 712 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,199 not I'm not a fast writer. It takes me years to write a new 713 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,760 hour. So sorry, Anyboddy, I don't flip it around. I'm not 714 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,880 a storyteller, you know. I mean, I'm a joke writer. Sometimes 715 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,800 I'll organize the jokes so they seem like a story, but they're each one 716 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:07,800 is hard one and it's not. You know, it's not like I wish 717 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,199 I was a storyteller. When I watched, I'm like, I don't have 718 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,639 the patience for it. After a certain amount of time, I'm like, 719 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,440 I'm not getting a laugh. I need a joke, And so I don't 720 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,840 kind of relax into longer stories. So it takes me a long time to 721 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,039 turn an hour over. Wow, I agree. Well, So you can 722 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,239 find the special on Apple. It's on Amazon Prime, It's on Apple TV 723 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,719 Plus, it's on YouTube, It's on Vimeo. If you're out of the 724 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:37,119 United States, you can watch it on Vimeo. I think starting April thirtieth, 725 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440 it's the first three months you had to pay to rent it or buy 726 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,800 it. So I think on May first is month four and I might be 727 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400 free. Oh perfect. So you watch it on YouTube with ads, you 728 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,639 will pay for You'll pay for it somehow. You'll pay you'll pay, but 729 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,960 if you have Amazon Prime it's free. So it's called sis well grief slut. 730 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:04,639 Yeah. Also, your Instagram is any Lori sixteen. Yes. Again, 731 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,559 did not realize how much I'd be needing Instagram or I probably would have 732 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:13,519 just used my name, but oh wow, that's okay, any Lauri sixteen 733 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,760 ye. And your Twitter or X yeah it is also any Lori sixteen. 734 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,760 And your website is Lori l A U r I E. Kilmartin dot com. 735 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,639 Yeah, all right, thank you, thank much, fun super fun 736 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,599 and yeah go please go download her special if you still have to pay for 737 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,679 it or watch it for free. Yeah you don't, thank you, thank 738 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:45,239 you. Okay, bye your parent now don if enough it's manny