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Well, do we have anything to
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we do as we come in on
the Fight Freaks Unite recap podcast here as

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part of the Big Fight Weekend podcast
feed. I am the somewhat competent,

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somewhat capable host. He is our
insider from his Fight Freaks Unite substack as

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well as Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Dan Raphael, my goodness, hope

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Mother's Day weekend was good as we
come off the weekend and we got boxing,

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we got action, We've got we've
got controversy, even we've got much

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to discuss here on the show.
First of all, Dan, off the

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weekend, how you feeling? How
are things? I'm probably feeling a lot

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better than Ishmael Barroso, m and
or Tony Weeks right about now, although

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we haven't heard at the time you
and I are recording from or maybe Stephen

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Butler or Stephen Butler, which does
Stephen Butler know that he's in Canada or

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in California or where he is after
what happened to him in the top ranked

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main event. So so much to
go over. A little nostalgia, a

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little news, little nostalgia here on
the podcast, A lot to recap.

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Thank you for finding us, however
you've done so social media link. Dan

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does such a fantastic job of helping
promote and we do as well off of

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Big Fight weekends social channels. However
you found out about us, Thank you.

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Make sure you're following subscribing great content. Again. We preview coming into

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the weekend, usually out overnight Thursday
into Friday. We recap off the weekend

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fight Freaks to night recap on Sunday
night into Monday. So here we are

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getting ready to start another week.
All right, yeah, go ahead in

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an interview this week. Yes,
and we've got a special guest coming up.

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The WBC one forty pound King reaches
Progray here for a full one on

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one conversation with Dan. You did
a phenomenal job and I'll mind propping you

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up teasing this if you were with
us on Friday. Here the payoff where

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Pro Gray is talking about why he
signed with match Room Boxing when he had

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other offers and opportunities. What's maybe
out there? Dan has done some follow

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up after the conversation on what's maybe
out there for a unification title fight,

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etc. But it's fair to say, as the kids like to say,

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because you've got a son and I've
got the daughters. The kids like to

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say it's popping, it's popping.
It's popping at one forty right now,

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and a Regis program is one of
the reasons why it's popping at one forty.

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Well, you will hear from him
on the podcast. Yeah, it's

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popping at one forty Regis. Look, I love I love interviewing Regions Program've

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interviewed him several times over the years. You know, to me, he's

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one of the guy and a lot
of fighters are like this, but not

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all of them. My Regis falls
into the category of guys who just tell

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you what they think. Yeah,
there's no bullshit, yes, uh,

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they just you know, you ask
a question. I feel like you get

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an honest answer. How he's feeling
at the moment and doesn't really be us

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around it too much. If he
doesn't really want to talk about a topic,

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you know, he just will.
You know, I said, i't

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really want to talk about it,
and you know, but I respect the

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way he handles himself. And by
the way, if it's popping at one

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forty with the Regis, we're going
to talk about that showtime card which was

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three h fights at one forty that
had different levels of excitement and or pop

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or not pop. Yeah, by
the way, I was just motioning at

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you because I them out of the
NFL world again working with the Tampa Bay

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Buccaneers, and so many times the
coaches in particular try to say nothing.

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They go to great links to say
nothing, stock answers, cliches, don't

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want to get bulletin board material to
the opponent. So much of professional sports

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is that. In a lot of
ways, it is refreshing when somebody speaks

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their mind and gives you an honest
answer. I love that. I love

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the candor. Yes. In boxing, half the point of promoting your event

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is to talk shit and give the
opponent bulletin board material. When a guy

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says bad things and I'm gonna knock
your block off, right, Yeah,

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this is kind about your mom or
your girlfriend and your wife or you know,

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try to not get too personal.
But we've all heard the terrible back

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and forth between fighters, and sometimes
it makes for a more interesting promotion.

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Sometimes it's irritating, like it was
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the Benavides Plant fight, at least
in terms of my opinion. But one

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of the reasons I like covering boxing, and I've covered other sports. I

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mean, in my earlier days,
I covered I have covered some NFL,

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I've covered Major League Baseball events,
I've covered major college basketball things along those

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lines. In boxing that the fighters, the trainers, the promoters, the

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managers, the TV guys, even
they they they'll talk and they and you

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know they some of them are completely
full of shit, but it makes for

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a good quote and you kind of
got you gotta fact check them sometimes.

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I have never had a problem doing
that. But the personalities, let's say,

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much more come out and are much
more media friendly than it is necessarily

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in major professional sports. So if
you are covering the NFL and you're working

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with the tam Tampa Bay Bucks,
and when he was playing, you wanted

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to talk to Tom Brady, for
example, that's a complicated thing. You

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gotta go through this, you gotta
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top fighters if I need to talk
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respect the boundaries within the context of
the promotion. So if a guy's getting

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like put it like this, Devin
Haney fights Lomachenko next week. If this

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was out of training camp and not
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wanted to talk to Devin Haney about
something, I would call him on the

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phone or I would send him a
text message or whatever, and it wouldn't

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be an issue. I could done
that with Ryan Garcia, with Tank Davis,

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with any which, by the way, is how you got Joe Goosen

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on the podcast a couple of weeks
ago. Is because you reached out to

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him and but you found him and
he was wanting to come on and give

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you some honest answers and it was
great stuff. But that's what's great about

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not just me, but lots of
people that are involved in reporting and writing

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and talking about boxing have extensive phone
lists and rolodexes, etcetera, and contact

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information and you don't have to go
through thirty five layers of pr people and

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all that to to deal with the
people. And if they don't want to

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talk to you, you know,
they'll say, you know, no thanks,

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which is fine. They have every
prerogative to do that, but it's

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it's a much more for all the
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of boxing. In terms of as
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I said, fighters promoters, managers, television folks, you know, commission

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people. It's a it's a lot
easier just to get in touch with them,

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to make the call, you know, and to make the email or

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the text message and h and narrow
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program in that regard coming up here
in a little bit. By the way,

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rate us and review us on Apple
podcast in particular, several of you

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have done that. Dan again is
admonishing to the audience. If you love

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us, help us out. It
does help us out with the algorithms that

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are out there. It'll move us
up on the podcast charts. By the

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way, if you rate us and
review us, and some of you here

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in the month of may have been
doing that, so keep that up.

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Okay, let's get into it.
Let's start with the Showtime PBC card where

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the main event fight was won by
Roli Romero over is Yeah one marks one

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in quote marks we're not writing allegedly
one fights stopped in the ninth round.

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It is the buzz off of the
weekend in terms of controversy. Should that

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fight have been stopped by veteran championship
referee Tony Weeks, you can already tell

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by Dan's comment, and I'm letting
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the legions. And Dan, by
the way, blasted away on social media

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and we were retweeting you right away
with a great with a great point about

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this and about the referee in the
stoppage Tony Weeks, because he was the

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referee of Corrals and Castillo, which
he was letting go until the death apparently,

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well I'm exaggerating, I'm using hyperbole. Am I allowed to do that

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on the podcast? He was allowing
brutality to go on where Coralis has got

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a swollen shut eye and has been
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and he hasn't stopped the fight and
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And then we get to Saturday,
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twenty twenty three, and he jumps
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it was very telling. And you're
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Ronalo and al Bernenstein had I think
America and the world's universal reaction what or

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in Espanola would be kay as in
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The fight is over all, right? Pick it up from there. I

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mean you actually have to pick it
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in the fight. First of all, let's just cut to the chase.

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It was a pretty bad fight overall. I mean, that's not Tony Weeks

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this fault. I mean, you
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roll Romero both respected each other's power
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taking anything of significance. And Roly
Romero frankly said as much in the lead

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up, says, I know he
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the way he performed against Servant to
Davis, very cautiously. You know,

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the Rolie show is ROLEI building up
the fight. I've come to realize that

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the ROLEI show doesn't translate when the
bell rings. Unfortunately, it just when

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he stepped up to a different level
of opponent. It just hasn't really translated

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to big entertainment value. So this
fight with Barroso, which you know a

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lot of people were critical of in
the first place for even being for the

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WBA Junior welterweight title, partly because
you have role coming off of a knockout

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a year ago to Davis in the
lightweight division. You have Barroso, who

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you know is a hard working veteran. But you know, really, let's

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be honest about I have nothing against
Broso. I feel bad about what happened

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to him on Saturday. He really
didn't have that much business being in a

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world title fight. You know,
he was posted Rollie fight quo. He

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got stripped to the title because he
felled the drug test. It was just

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a big mess from the from the
beginning. But all respect to everybody and

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Bob, they salvaged the event.
They made the fight fair enough. They

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can't help if it's a good fight
a bad fight. We all kind of

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expect it would be a pretty good
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comment TJ when we were doing our
Kimricer was the podcast or on our bet

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Us show. I said, if
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bad fight, because my feeling was
they wouldn't they would be being cautious one

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another. And that was really the
case. All right. So Barroso uh

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uh knocks rolling down in in the
what the third round? Not not you

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know, uh not not a clean, clean knockdown, but it was into

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the ropes, and you know,
it was a good shot. All right,

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it was a big time left.
Yeah, it was a good shot.

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So now you get further into the
fight. And as as kind of

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bad as the fight was very little
punch out. But but Barroso, the

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forty year old guy who looks like
as we joked about in the posters and

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the photos, looked like he's about
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right, He's ahead on going into
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He's ahead on all three scorecards appropriately
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But you know, I felt like
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seven seventy four going to that now. I will say this though, I

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personally scored round one ten to ten, which I'd probably do three times a

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year, because like, literally,
you know, Rolie, I think was

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landed like one punch and bars like
two punches and night. I have to

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confess I was not glued to this
and watching every round like you work,

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because I was doing other work on
the site and putting up the Janabek knockout

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win. I was working on your
undercard fight stories. I was only sort

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of being able to pay attention on
your card. Do you believe Barroso was

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winning the fight that ninth round.
You're saying, yes, absolutely, I

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didn't have it as wide as as
Steve Weisfeld, who was one of the

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judges he had at seventies seventy three. And by the way, have all

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the respect in the world for Steve
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time he's probably the best single judge
in boxing. But it's okay. You

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know, the point is, there
was very There was no dispute that Barroso

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is winning the fight. However you
had it. He had it by one

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point two points, three points.
He's winning, He's got the knockdown,

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he's growing more punches, he's landing
more punches. Whatever. Okay, So

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now we get to the ninth round, and what happens in the ninth round,

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TJ. You get a knockdown scored
against Barroso because Rolie lands like a

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decent shot, but then basically with
the right hand I believe it was the

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right hand essentially pushes him down with
the right hand. Yes, there was

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no real punch that landed. He
lands on the floor. You're like,

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oh, yeah, it's a slip
or a trip or a push or whatever,

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and suddenly Tony Weeks is counting.
So that was the first terrible move

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by Tony, and he exacerbated it. Turned out it didn't matter that knockdown,

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which was a bullshit knocked down anyway, and the videos were very clear

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as day that it was not a
real punch that caused him to go to

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the mat. And I guess,
technically speaking, the commission could have recommended,

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you know, they have a replay
official could have asked they had the

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round come to an end without a
knockout, They could have asked Tony,

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hey, you know, I don't
remember who the replay official was. Oftentimes

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it's Jane eighty. He'll say to
the revenue, you might want to look

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at that again, or the you
know, the executive director might say that,

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and then Tony could take a look
at the replay and hopefully would have

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made the determination that it was the
wrong call and ruled it to be a

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slipping that wouldn't have cost a point. In any event, it didn't matter

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because then the fight ended later in
the round. Okay, Roly Romero lands

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a decent shot. Barrosa goes to
the ropes. He looks tired, you

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know, he's forty, it's been
a you know, it's been not a

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grueling fight, but you know he's
in the ninth round. He hasn't gone

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you know, rounds like that in
a while against a good puncher like Roly

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Romero. And then all help breaks
lose TJ and I still can't believe what

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I witnessed. And I'm sure any
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probably scratching their head as they're listening
to this's going Yeah, that was just

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fucked up. Man. So he
does hit him with one shot, he

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goes to the ropes. Now he
throws what three more punches, and then

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like after like two and a half
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and stops the fight. Those shots
did not land. Tony Weeks was in

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the wrong position. Hold on.
Tony Weeks was in the wrong position.

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He was behind Rolie Romero. So
he sees him throwing punches, but he

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cannot unless he's fucking Superman see through
him with his head three, So he

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doesn't know if the punches are landing, and Barroso is firing back. He's

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not a fenceless dan. He's firing
back, and Weeks has to see that

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point, Barroso, while he's taking
those or not taking them, but while

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Romero is throwing those three punches,
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half of them are thrown because it
was he kind of got in there like

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while the other punch was still being
fired. You are correct, Barosso threw

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back, I believe, a left
hand, and the fight was stopped on

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nothing. If you're stopping boxing matches
for that, why does boxing exist.

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That means you're not allowed to hit
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the opponent. I mean and again, and I know we're here, we're

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now about twenty four hours after the
fact as we record this, And I

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said it even last night to people
that were texting me who I was talking

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to as I was writing my story
about the fight. I'm not being emotional.

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I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm just
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Actually I wasn't at the time,
and now as we were here a day

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later, I've spent some time thinking
about it. TG. I have been

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watching boxing for over forty years of
my life. I'm fifty two years old,

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been watching boxing since I was about
seven eight nine years old, so

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about forty four years something like that. I've been covering boxing professionally from living

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from my main source of income and
for my job for the better part of

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twenty three plus years. I've been
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I have watched probably twenty five thousand
fights in my life. I can't think

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of a worst stoppage in my entire
life. And I'm again, I'm not

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being hyperbolic because literally nothing happened to
cause the stoppage. And what really irritates

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me more now, everybody makes a
mistake. I get that, and I

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mean, I'm not gonna say that. You know, we shouldn't one hundred

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percent vilify Tony Weeks. I want
to make that very clear. He's probably

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going to be a Hall of Famer
one day. He's had a remarkable career.

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He's been involved as a referee some
incredibly important fights and great fights and

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the stalwart of Nevada boxing, and
he's been one of the best referees in

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the world for a very very long
time. Has he lost the step at

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this point? I mean, again, to be honest, Yeah, now's

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I don't know Tony well, but
I've at him many times We've chit chatted,

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said a load to each other.
How you do him? Pat on

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the back. I've seen him a
thousand times at fights. Ran into him

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one time at the Boxing Hall of
Fame and sat in bullshit with him.

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Who was there with my boy,
the late grade Steve Smoger, and we

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had a nice conversation. Anyway,
I always like Tony, so this is

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not in anything a personal thing,
but the way he handled that fight last

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night was just not good. But
here's the most important thing, and this

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is what I can't shake and what
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Ishmael Barroso, whatever you think about
his warrant, whether he warn't it to

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be in that fight for the world
title or not, he is forty years

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old. He's obviously near the end
of his career. He was winning the

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fight handily against a twenty seven year
old guy who was a heavy duty favorite.

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He's winning the fight, had him
on the deck, He's cruising essentially

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to a apparently through nine rounds,
he's winning handily, and now that is

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taken away from him, and he
is forty years old, and the likelihood

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of him getting another opportunity at this
stage, at that level, is not

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good. So his entire whatever's left
of his career, the arc has completely

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changed because of a poor, arbitrary, agreable judgment decision from a referee.

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And it was so it was such
a bad move. And what made it

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even worse was the fucking audacity for
the Commission and not Tony himself. I'm

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sure it was the commission that recommended
this to Tony that they wouldn't even go

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on showtime to be accountable to Jim
Gray an interview, you know, and

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you know they don't want to make
quote unquote Jim. You know, it

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was a tough, tough interviewer,
probably because they don't want him to quote

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unquote make them look bad, when
in fact, they made themselves look bad.

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Because I actually had a brief text
exchange with Jim, who I'm friendly

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with, after the fight, and
I joked to them, I said,

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you're not gonna make them look bad. What you're gonna do is you're gonna

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put your microphone in Tony's near his
mouth. You're gonna ask him, respectfully,

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Tony, let's take a look at
the end of the fight. Gonna

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look at that, you know,
fifteen seconds of video and you're gonna ask

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him, Tony, did you see
any punch's land And the answer has to

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be no, because no punches did
land if we live in a reality world.

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So they took away a crowning moment
and achievement of Ishmael Barroso's career gave

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him an unnecessary loss at an age
of forty, where the chances of him

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to get another chance like this are
very, very small, and that is

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a fucking shame. Okay, well, I got a couple of points on

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this, so number one. At
the time we're releasing this, Tony Weeks

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has still not said anything to anybody, And to me, I understand part

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of it is in the heat of
the moment. Maybe they want to talk

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to him, etc. But to
me, he needs to be accountable for

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why he did what he did and
maybe now he realizes horrifically I shouldn't have

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done it. So there's my take
on that. Go ahead. It is

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common practice after a boxing event in
Nevada. I can't speak about this in

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other locations, but I know it
for a fact in Nevada. I've seen

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it. I've talked to people about
it. They'll go to a corner of

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the arena, maybe a dressing room
maybe whatever. And the folks that are

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there that are involved with the commission, that's the inspectors, then the director,

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whatever commissioners are on hand, the
referees, you know, all the

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people that are involved, and they
will do a debrief right there, so

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it's everything's fresh and everbody's buddy's mind
and they'll talk about what, you know,

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good, bad or ugly, whatever
happened they'll discuss. So I'm sure

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that they went through that process last
night, after this event, and I

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wouldn't be surprised because you know,
this is just a normal practice. If

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there's anything that's even remotely controversial of
good or bad, whatever, it wouldn't

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be surprised if Tony Weeks, you
know, takes a ride over to the

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commission office tomorrow and goes into the
office and sits with Jeff Mullen, the

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executive director, and maybe another referee
or a commissioner or whatever in an informal

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sort of way and just take a
look at it. They'll look at the

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video and have a conversation about it, you know, whether anything comes to

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that or not, you know,
I don't something should something should come of

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that, including them making public statements
about good, bad, or different,

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and we know it's bad about what
they're doing. So let's bring this just

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and we're going to move along to
other things as we want to get to

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reach this program as well. But
let's bring this around to a couple of

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things. Again. I work in
the NFL world. This is the case

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in the NFL. It's the case
in Major League Baseball, the NBA,

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and the NHL. So those are
team sports. The officials that are involved

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are not readily made available to the
media after a call, a terrible pass

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interference call in a big playoff game, or a terrible charge call in an

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NBA playoff game, or strike or
ball or outer safe in baseball, the

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media who we are, we're not
able to get to them, except in

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the exception of a pool reporter that
at times, if there's a controversial situation,

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we'll be able to go talk to
the head referee, the crew chief

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in Major League Baseball, the crew
chief of an NHL or NBA officiating team

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and ask them a question or even
a couple of questions, including a follow

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up about something controversial that is,
essentially, what did you see on that

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call? And what is the rule
and let him explain it. And that's

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the extent of it. It's not
a grilling, it's not a cross examination.

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That's it. So it's just interesting
that it's different in every sport.

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Well you also generally speaking, I
just want to know from you. In

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boxing, they don't even have a
pool reporter thing after the fight that's set

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up. It's different commission to commission
in the country, but it's not really

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set up right where anybody from the
ringside media can go and ask why did

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you stop that? Stinking My recollection
is that has happened occasionally, Okay,

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there have been times. I'll give
you a great example. On the night

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that the massively controversial decision I believe
it was the Timothy Bradley Manny Pack Yale

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first fight. Who's I forget the
off top of my head, which the

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judge was it had that her in
this scorecard? Was it? Don't know.

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It was just one of the worst, you know, again, to

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me, probably one of the single
worst two or three decisions I've ever seen.

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I still remember that night. I'm
doing National sports radio on Fox Sports

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Radio. On that Saturday night,
I'm the national host. I came on

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the air as the show began and
said, I have been watching and following

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and been around boxing for the better
part of thirty five years. That's the

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worst decision I've ever seen. I
came on the National Sports Everything Show and

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said that about that night, while
you're looking up who that judge was in

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any event one of the and it's
happened happened a few times that night.

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They knew that was such a controversial
call that The executive director of the Nevada

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State Athletic Commission at that time was
Bob Bennett, who retired a couple of

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years ago and was replaced by his
deputy, which is Jeff Mullen, who

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is now the executive director of the
Commission. Bob Bennett came to ringside to

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address the press about the scuorecard in
question. I believe maybe I'm thinking of

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the wrong fight, but there was
definitely a hugely controversial Vegas fight where it

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was so egregious in the views of
most people at ringside, in terms of

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the television announcers as well as the
ringside media that he came and made the

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comments to them, but they he
was protecting his own people. Now like

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you were talking about with professional team
sports, there is the Major League Baseball

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League Office, the NFL League Office. They'll oftentimes on a Monday, after

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a controversial play in a football game, whatever it is, the league office

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will make a statement. They'll review
it. It's not instantaneous, but they'll

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make some kind of comment. So
in this instance, the Nevada Commission,

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in essence, is the the body
that would be akin to the League office

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in that situation. And I believe
it is incumbent on the Nevada State up

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Letic Commission. It doesn't have to
be Tony, but it should be somebody

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above him at the commission, that
is his boss at the commission, that

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at least addresses it. You can't
just leave it out there, you know,

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stinking for days and days and days. You got to address it.

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And you know, if they don't
do that, that's a problem. And

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the other thing that's always unfortunate is
you know what happens. You know,

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there's gonna be another fight. There's
a big show next week with a you

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know, Devin Hani and Vassel Lomachenko, important fight on disputed lightweight championship.

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There's a bunch of fights on that
card, other world title fights. Are

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we gonna Are we gonna see Tony
Weeks work on that show next week?

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Great question. I'm gonna say there's
probably it. I'd say there's a decent

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chance we don't see Tony on that
show. We're certainly not in one of

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the future fights. Because those officials, to my recollection, they will be

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officially assigned this coming Wednesday when the
Commission has their monthly meeting. That's the

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same meeting where they're going to address
the positive drug test at Alberto Puyo and

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and again we don't want to go
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referee and has been for thirty years. He's worked World Championship fights over the

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last two or three years. Tony
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with the likes of Terence Crawford and
Oscar Valdez, every all kinds of all

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kinds of fighters. But for whatever
reason, a step slow, like you're

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talking about reaction time, whatever was
going to make one want to make more

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good about this. One more point
about this, because I saw so much

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of this on Twitter and on other
social media. It was a bad call.

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We all acknowledge that. I do
not believe, however, a singular

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moment that the people are suggesting that
somehow Tony Weeks was corrupted and was somehow

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bending over backwards tonight, you know, because Rolly Romero is the house fighter

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and they wanted to win. I
want to make it one clear, not

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for two seconds, one second and
half a second, a millisecond. Do

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I believe there's any element of Tony
Weeks being corrupted. What we often joke

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about is there's a difference between incompetence
and corruption, or stupidity and corruption.

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This is more about stupidity on what
was done than it is corruption. This

407
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,680
was just a terrible call, Okay, So a little context, and I

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want this for you. You're saying
maybe worst of all time. I went

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back to two things, and I
wrote about this on Big Fight Weekend,

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dot com plug plug plug go read. I wrote a lot about this,

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and I don't you know again,
I have been around it. So two

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references are the Meldrick Taylor Julio saysar
chav is ending, because that's the all

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time controversial stoppage ending in the final
seconds of a fight that Meldrick Taylor was

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00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:53,839
about to win. We know this. He was ahead on the cards,

415
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,559
he was about to win, and
it was stopped with two seconds left.

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So that's the all time most controversial
one. Whatever you think about. So

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I know of another one, which
was four years later. Lennox Lewis's first

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pro loss as heavyweight champ to Oliver
McCall Manchester, England, is on a

419
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,640
one punch knockdown in the second round. He got hit right on the chin,

420
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,799
right on the buttons, as the
fight analyst and trainers and fighters always

421
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:23,640
say, got up WOBBLI and Jose
Garcia. Jose Guadalupe Garcia is the WBC

422
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:30,119
Mexican referee that was standing and he's
very small. Lewis is very huge.

423
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,599
He's standing down at about waist level, rib level counting up at Lewis.

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00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,440
He actually counted to nine with Lewis
still standing in front of him. He

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00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:42,640
counted seven, eight, nine,
Dan Rayphael and then he looked at him

426
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,039
and then he just waved it's over
and he grabbed Lennox Lewis around the waist

427
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,599
and the ribs didn't even know.
No, no walk this way, no

428
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,319
put your gloves up. So those
are the two that I would reference on

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Star Crazy Stoppages go ahead. The
reason why this is way way worse than

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00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:06,039
either of those is because in the
other fights you mentioned Chavez, Meldrick Taylor,

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00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:11,799
Lennox Lewis against Oliver McCall one and
chab Az Taylor one. There was

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a knockdown that occurred. The referee
then took their time, looked at the

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00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,039
fighter, made an assessment, whether
you like the assessment or not, and

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00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,440
elected to stop the fight. Now
we could have a whole separate podcast discussing

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00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,960
the Chavez and Taylor fight. The
fact of the matter is Meldrick Taylor did

436
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:34,279
not respond. He looked the other
way, bleeding like a you know,

437
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,519
like his face is all swelled up. He'd been dropped. It was even

438
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,200
though he's winning the fight. It's
a grueling, grinding, brutal, fucking

439
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,759
fight. So again, you can
disagree with Richard Steele's assessment, but he

440
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,000
assessed it and he stopped the fight. And in the case of the Lennox

441
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:53,160
Lewis Oliver McCall fight, once again, big knockdown on the chin. He's

442
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,680
up. He may not be,
you know, in perfect condition, but

443
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:00,880
some might feel he was perfectly capable
of continuing. But again you can disagree

444
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,759
or you can agree, but the
referee made an assessment decided to stop the

445
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,119
fight on a knockdown. In the
case of what happened on Saturday with Barosso

446
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,559
and Romero. In the case of
what was happening there at that in that

447
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,559
sequence in the ninth round. First
of all, the referee knows that the

448
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,839
previous eight plus rounds there was no
real punishment inflicted on either guy knockdown of

449
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,680
rolling notwithstanding, and now you see
what's happening here. There was no assessment

450
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,599
other than he felt like he had
to stop the fight because of punches that

451
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,119
were thrown but literally did not land. Clear as day on a replay,

452
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,240
Tony was in the wrong position.
He stopped it, presumably because he thought

453
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,839
punches landed that he actually didn't see
ye, you know it just he What

454
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,680
can I tell you? It was
to me, That's why it rises to

455
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:51,160
the level of far worse than those
two. At least in those two examples,

456
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,440
there were knockdowns and the referee was
assessing the situation after a knockdown.

457
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,119
In this case, there was no
knockdown and had been no punishment previous the

458
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,799
Lewis case at the time. Jim
Lampley went crazy on the HBO call.

459
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,039
So did Larry Merchant going crazy,
and I believe George Foreman was with him

460
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,640
that night. I always thought that
the Lenox Lewis knocked out call was actually

461
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,920
no, I didn't really think that
was a big that was in that Controversially.

462
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,519
The only thing about it though,
is it's the heavyweight champ. It's

463
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,640
one punch, and are you gonna
give him a chance to at least defend

464
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,240
himself for grab on, etc.
We'll talk more about that. He never

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00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,599
gave the chance. He waved it
off. Okay, so we've spent a

466
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,279
lot of time on that. Oh
and I know what else I was gonna

467
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,720
say. Immediately, fighters were on
social media, George campbos Is saying it

468
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:40,440
even Dame time. Even Damian Lillard, the Portland Trailblazer, All Star,

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00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:44,880
All Everything scoring guard who's a huge
boxing fan, he weighed in about how

470
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,799
awful it was watching the fight live
from wherever he was seeing it. And

471
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,519
so, you know, this is
a big deal. And we'll see what

472
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,759
the fallout is from this. We'll
see if Tony Weeks is working this weekend

473
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,839
or what the Nevada Commission says.
We in conclusion, and then we're going

474
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,799
to the rest of this card.
We're gonna get to Regis program coming up

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00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:06,279
in just a few minutes. We
as the boxing media, the boxing fans

476
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,720
and observers. We deserve some kind
of comment and there needs to be some

477
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:14,920
accountability on why that was done.
And one more, the WBA can step

478
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,680
in here too and say we believe
this was unfair if they want to,

479
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,319
and I'm sure you're gonna run this
down as well, and maybe they order

480
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,160
them to fight again at some point
in the near future because Barroso deserved a

481
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,839
better outcome than what happened. W
BA. Certainly the w BA could do

482
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200
that. I tend to doubt they
will, and I'll say the reason and

483
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,119
I don't know that for sure they
have. They're dealing with the Playo situation.

484
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480
They've got a promise to the winner, which was Romero, that he

485
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,799
must fight the mandatory, which is
O'Hara Davies. They've got other things going

486
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:51,200
on, but more significantly a rematch
with did with Romero and Barroso after how

487
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,559
bad the fight was. I just
don't think Showtime wants to spend the money

488
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,599
on that. They've got a lot
of other fights to do. I'm showing

489
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,680
a limited budget with which to do
it, that that fight won't come cheap,

490
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,519
and there's really really no public demand
for it. If you will.

491
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,359
I just I mean you never say
never. I mean we've seen worset rematches,

492
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,759
I suppose, over the years,
but that just seems like this is

493
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,200
it's not meant to be a rematch. Who cares. I mean, you're

494
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,720
upset about the decision. You just
wish they would have done the right thing.

495
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,680
It just the whole thing. It's
just a disaster. It stinks,

496
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,920
it smells okay. Rest of that
card, Rancis Bartholomy ends up winning and

497
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:31,000
also Sims, Kenneth Sims and Occupade
off. That might have been the best

498
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:35,359
fight of the entire weekend. Your
thoughts real quick to wrap that card before

499
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,440
we move on. Well, I
don't know about might of it definitely was

500
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,240
the best fight of the weekend,
not even close, but as far as

501
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Okay, So Barthelomy in war As
that was the co feature, didn't really

502
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,880
quite understand why that was co feature
position when the other fight on paper was

503
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,039
a better fight and it was for
higher stakes because it was an eliminator in

504
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440
any event, Look, Barthelomy was
the old war horse, two time or

505
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,880
two division title holder coming off a
knockout loss to Gary Antoine Russell, looking

506
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,119
to get back on the track.
He got Warez, who had had an

507
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,240
upset loss, who had won three
in a row, was a much younger

508
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,559
guy. He's like a twenty three
year old kid. Barthellamy's like thirty seven.

509
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,160
So you know, it's the the
essence of a crossroads fight. And

510
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,920
you were wondering, you know,
which guy is gonna be able to impose

511
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,359
their style. Is it gonna be
Warres as aggression or Barthellamy sort of let's

512
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,039
try to stink him out kind of
way he fights. And the problem with

513
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,799
Warez is that he had any time
he's letting his hands go and and being

514
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,400
active and throwing shots and coming forward, he was you know, doing a

515
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,599
number on him. He was winning
big sections of those rounds. The problem

516
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,920
was he could not consistent with that. He stopped too much, he admired

517
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,839
his work. He would suddenly get
caught up in sort of just you know,

518
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,119
not doing anything, and the activity
level would would go down dramatically,

519
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,279
at which point, you know,
Barthellamy could take advantage. He had pretty

520
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,359
good head movement and you know,
put his punches out there and was able

521
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,640
to do that more consistently than Warez
and Warres. When he goes back and

522
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,599
watches that video, He's going to
kick himself because that fight was there for

523
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,519
the taking. He just could not
stay consistent by keeping busy. It wasn't

524
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,359
like Barthelmy was hurting him or doing
damage or anything. He just, you

525
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,199
know, Warres just you know,
I don't, for lack of a better

526
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,199
word, I would He wasn't lazy, he just didn't. I don't think

527
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,079
he understood what was going on in
the fight. No, I'll help you.

528
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,519
No sense of urgency. He did
not have a sense of I'm losing,

529
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,840
I gotta change this up. I
gotta step on a gap. And

530
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,480
and the corner was telling him the
right things. As I was listening to

531
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,280
the corner dialogue, They're telling him, don't leave this to the judges.

532
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,800
Let's go get him, step on
it, pick up the pace. They

533
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,400
were telling him the right stuff to
do, and he couldn't do it.

534
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,480
So Barthelmy gets out of there,
you know, with a competitive decision,

535
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,480
but a rightful victory. And you
know he I'll looking like this, and

536
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:44,480
this is not always the case in
certain fights. It's hard for me to

537
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,480
say that Barthelomy won the fight.
I'm more look at it like Warrez lost

538
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:52,280
the fight. That makes sense,
ye, But good for Barthelomy. He

539
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,719
keeps the keeps the chain moving.
He comes back from the victory or from

540
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,159
the rather the knockout against Gary Anton
Russell. What I did find kind of

541
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,360
interesting was Barthellomy in the interview after
the fight saying, you know, he

542
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,559
would much prefer to have a rematch
with Gary Antoine Russell then even if somebody

543
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,239
offered him a title shot. So
that's like a pretty big statement from a

544
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,679
fighter, particularly Barthelmy, whose goal
for the last several years. Remember he

545
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,039
had won a title at thirty one, a title at thirty five. His

546
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:20,800
goal is to become the first ever
three division title holder from Cuba. So

547
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,079
for him to say he'd rather have
the rematch with Gary Antoine Russell instead of

548
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:28,639
opportunity to win a title and another
weight class, that's tells you how big

549
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,800
that loss was to him. So
you know, I'm not never been a

550
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,119
big Barthelomy fan, But he got
the job done. Warez did not get

551
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,039
the job done. And you know, the old vet beats the young kid.

552
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,960
And as far as you want to
talk about the Kenneth Sims and Illet,

553
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,039
but Bear aka duff Okay number one, you put that right into the

554
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,679
conversation for Fight of the Year.
It probably won't win, but it was

555
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,519
on that level. We've talked about
a bunch of outstanding fights that there have

556
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,239
been this year. That's just another
one to add on the list. We

557
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,360
went Frombor, we went through that
stretch and like you know, February March

558
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,480
where there seemed to be like the
year candidate, like pretty much every week

559
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:05,599
he had the great fight between who
was at Toronto and Erica Hernandez, and

560
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,920
we had Navarette and Leah Wilson,
and I think there was was it a

561
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,639
Lee Wood against Mauricio Lara, and
there was just a whole bunch of them.

562
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:15,480
I have to go back and look
on my list, but this was

563
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,840
this was a tremendous battle. This
was I thought that I thought the guys

564
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,559
on the Showtime broadcast said exactly what
I was sort of thinking. I think

565
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:29,400
was al Bernstein and Abner on the
commentary, Basically we're saying, you have

566
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:32,880
the tier Achmadov and Kenneth Sims both
doing exactly what they wanted to do,

567
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,159
employ the exact style they wanted to
and that's what made it a great fight

568
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:42,760
because they were both able to do
what their plans were and then the other

569
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,159
one was able to do it back
then what they wanted to do. So

570
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,719
they both were fighting at a very
high level, both having success, and

571
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,559
it just made for a great fight. Sims was more of a you know,

572
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,360
I mean not to say that he
didn't land and be aggressive a little

573
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,360
bit, but he was more countering. Akmadov was more coming word. They

574
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,280
both did a great job in that
fight. I tipped the hat to both

575
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,000
and that was a great battle.
I always have thought of Kenneth Sims as

576
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:12,159
a guy who had a huge amount
of talent but somehow could never have it

577
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,119
all come spelling out, come,
you know, come to the forefront.

578
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,639
I thought he did that last night. Finally kind of realized some of that

579
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,159
potential. And you gotta have you
you got to feel bad for Akmandob because

580
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,559
he's now got three decision losses.
He certainly could have won the fight last

581
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,480
night. It was that close,
you know, it could have gone either

582
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,159
way. He could have been a
draw. Frankly. His other loss was

583
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,760
the previous fight to Playo in the
vacant world title fight. That was a

584
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,239
split decision. A lot of people
thought he'd won that fight, and then

585
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,840
you'd go back a couple of years
earlier, he had to fight for the

586
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:44,639
WBA's secondary one forty title against Mario
Barrios. I was at that fight,

587
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,719
and I and many of us at
ringside thought Akmadov got completely hosed that night

588
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,159
on the decision. He's got three
decision losses for w BAE hundred forty pound

589
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:58,880
titles that easily he could have won
the fight, and he's now got three

590
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,920
losses against them. And you know, if you gotta you kind of gotta

591
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,880
feel bad for the guy. But
on the other hand, you gotta feel

592
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,639
thrilled for a kid like Kenna sims. He's not really a kid anymore.

593
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,639
I mean, he's twenty nine years
old. This was a big moment for

594
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,400
him. He's now put himself in
position to be involved in some much bigger

595
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,360
fights in this very talent rich hundred
forty pound way class. And I'll be

596
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,559
honest, the worst thing in the
world wouldn't necessarily be to see him have

597
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,079
a rematch now. Kenna said afterwards
he wants a title fight. This was

598
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,639
an eliminator, but it wasn't an
eliminator to make him number one and be

599
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,159
the mandatory. Obviously, the WBA
A hundred key said he wants the winner

600
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,639
of the main event, which was
rolling Romero. That is probably unlikely in

601
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,639
the immediate future because that w B
A belt. As I mentioned before,

602
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,400
it's backed up with other stuff going
on. Whether the situation with Playo was

603
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,360
going to get ironed out with his
hearing, with whether there might be a

604
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000
you know, whatever happens. If
there's any kind of rulings about a rematch

605
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,119
potentially with Barosso and Romero, then
there's the O'Hara Davis mandatory that's sitting out

606
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:54,400
there. So that title is is
going to be in play for other fights

607
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,280
for the time being. But I
would encourage everybody as brutal and horrible as

608
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,440
the main event was for a lot
of different reasons and the war as in

609
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,320
Barthelomey fight, not a terrible fight, but just an average fight. The

610
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,800
real gem was Kenneth Simms Jr.
Against Bethier Achmandov. Go find it,

611
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,519
go watch the replay, go on
showtime on de band. We'll find the

612
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,840
replay on your DVR when they replayed
in the next couple of days. Just

613
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,039
a tremendous, highly enjoyable, highly
entertaining fight. No dead spots in the

614
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,519
fight starting round one through twelve.
I guess the only thing it lacked there

615
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,159
was no knockdowns or true drama,
but just a really bad as fight between

616
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,559
two very strong, willed and big
hearted guys going at it with skills well

617
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,280
set in summation there. Let's move
on to the top rank ESPN card,

618
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:44,760
which was in Stockton, California,
which saw Jason Maloney win a less than

619
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,920
enthusiastic twelve round decision. How do
you like that for the verbiage? As

620
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,320
he won over Astrolabbio, the Filipino
fighter gets the decision, gets his world

621
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,840
title. You called it. You
and I kind of went back and forth.

622
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,400
I kind of liked astrolabby maybe to
get the win the Philippine fighter for

623
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,320
that title, but as it turns
out, Maloney gets the decision win.

624
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,440
Then in the main event, as
we both expected, I think everybody expected

625
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,960
Jannabeca lib Cannoely. We went into
this fight asking would he be spectacular?

626
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,719
Would he get there quickly? He
did against Steven Butler and bombed him out

627
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,079
in the second round. And by
the way, as you're about to make

628
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,480
your comments here, we had the
opposite in that fight watching it live because

629
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,800
you were on the showtime card where
referee veteran championship referee Jack Reese of California

630
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,800
let Stephen Butler not only get knocked
down a second time hard and let the

631
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,599
fight go on. But then Jannabeck
delivered a brutal two left hook two shots

632
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:44,159
to the head that are troublesome,
and Butler slammed his head the right side

633
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,079
of his head on the ground,
and you were really concerned that Jack Reese

634
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,480
didn't stop it quickly enough. Dan
Raphael the opposite end of the spectrum of

635
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:53,840
Tony Weeks. All right there,
I said a lot, give me your

636
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,519
thoughts on the ESPN top ranked card
before we get to Regis program coming up

637
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,840
rough night for the referee in both
main events and both guys who have been

638
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,519
great referees for many many years,
but unfortunately both had shitty knights for opposite

639
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:07,920
reasons. But in terms of that
fight, I think this might be the

640
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,920
time where we mentioned that I was
six and oz on our bet Us Pick

641
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440
show, uh nailing all of the
winners, the methods and the overrunners on

642
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,119
all three of the title fights.
So there you go. I was I

643
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,760
was four and one. I did. The only one that I didn't pick

644
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,239
and oh you know what, the
one five and one. The only one

645
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,639
that I got wrong was Astrolabbio,
but I had the over in that,

646
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,280
so we did pretty much whisked out
and took the money line. Anyway,

647
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,440
so I did well. I just
I thought he would win. I didn't

648
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,320
know how, and he didn't end
up winning. But anyway, but any

649
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:39,559
event on the ground fight on the
res point, clearly Butler is wobbly and

650
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,639
he maybe could have stopped that fight, Dan ra Rayfield, now that you've

651
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,840
watched it after the first knockdown,
but he certainly could have stopped it after

652
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,039
the second knockdown. Your thoughts real
quick? Okay, Well, let's go

653
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,519
in order. I'm gonna go back
to the Maloney fight because I started that

654
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,239
first of all. That was the
kind of fight where I feel like,

655
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,920
even though Asha Labio lost the fight, and I didn't think it was when

656
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,800
I went back and watched the scores, uh, and I'd heard that the

657
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:06,039
ESPN commentitter thought it was a very
wide scorecard and then it becomes a majority

658
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,239
decision. I felt like the scores
were definitely too close, that Maloney clearly

659
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,159
was the winner. With the length, with the jab, with the foot

660
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,440
movement, with just sort of you
know, make it kind of befuddling Ashal

661
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,280
Labio at times. You know,
he's a good puncher, but he can

662
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,480
never find the way to land it. I mean, it's like my old

663
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,920
pal from ESPN, Teddy Allis,
would always say, you know, if

664
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,079
you've got the firepower, that's good, but you got to find a way

665
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,519
to deliver it. And his delivery
system, uh, you know, basically

666
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,719
all of his his firepowers left in
the garage, so to speak, because

667
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,360
he couldn't land it. But I
do think that's the kind of fight where

668
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,840
ashe Labio could improve and learn from
and that he still might have a future

669
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,320
to win a world title down the
road, that that was maybe just a

670
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,639
bad style for him and he might
have hopefully learned something. But in the

671
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,440
case of Maloney, third times the
charm, what can you say he got?

672
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,880
You know, he lost a heartbreaker
against Emmanuel Driguez in the World Boxing

673
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Super Series and abandoned white title fight
a few years ago. He got you

674
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,000
know, a run over like a
like a train, you know, hitt

675
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,320
in a something on the train tracks
against Noia in a way with a big

676
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,519
body shot in the title opportunity.
Noia in a way vacates all the belts,

677
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,480
moves up. He gets this opportunity, so you gotta be happy.

678
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,719
The Maloney's, by the way,
nicest guys in the world. Him and

679
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,840
his twin brother Andrew, just just
good people, good team. Howardton to

680
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,280
be anything but thrilled for them.
And as he made the point afterwards,

681
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,920
it's only a part one of what
they hope is a big week for the

682
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,960
Malone team. Because he won this
world title. Saturday, his brother Andrew

683
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,840
fights for a Jinger Band away title
on the undercard of Lomachenko and Devin Haney.

684
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,159
And there's a good chance that you'll
come this time next week you'll have

685
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,960
the twin brothers, Jason and Andrew
both having world titles. I guess the

686
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,199
first twins since Charlowe has had titles
at the same time they had theirs in

687
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,000
the same way class In any event, Jason Mooney gets to win, good

688
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,960
for him. It's the titles are
now being filled. They vacated all of

689
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,639
them when in a way went up, and now you have Maloney filling this

690
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880
WBO belt. He had Takuma in
a way in a way's younger brother who

691
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,320
won one of the vacant titles on
a card in Japan a few weeks ago,

692
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,199
and the other two are still vacant, but it's starting to get filled

693
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,800
up and we'll see what happens going
forward in the weight class. All right,

694
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:07,679
on the main event? Where can
I start on this one? As

695
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,440
terrible to night as Tony Weeks had
in the most terrible stoppage I've talked about

696
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,280
seeing maybe in my entire time of
watching boxing, both as a fan and

697
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,679
observer as well as a journalist,
I can't say that Jack Reeses was the

698
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,519
worst non stoppage I have ever seen. But he was awfully braven there.

699
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,280
First of all, tip of the
cap to the balls and the heart and

700
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,880
the guts that Stephen Butler had.
I didn't give him a chance to win

701
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,039
this fight. I thought he would
get run over. He did, but

702
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,840
he didn't quit man, No quitting
that guy, no doll. He got

703
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,519
to give him credit for showing the
heart that he did. He kept getting

704
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,559
up. His legs were all fucked
up from the first knockdown. He could

705
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:44,159
barely I mean, Jack rees ton
him walked this way, walked that way,

706
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,719
the guy could barely fucking take two
steps without falling. And even in

707
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,599
the commentary, andre Ward said,
he is out on his feet and that's

708
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,320
exactly what it looked like. And
yet the fight continued. Dan, I

709
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
cannot believe that they ookay, they
let the fight go on. I mean,

710
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,840
like you said, they absolutely could
have stopped the fight after the first

711
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
lockdown. I'm glad that they gave
him a chance. I mean, it's

712
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,519
a world championship fight, it's professional
boxing, that's part of the job description.

713
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,400
Then there was another moment in the
fight where he went down again in

714
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:15,400
the second round and borderline slip,
exhaustion, whatever, but he called it

715
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,679
a slip. They could have maybe
even called out a knockdown. Dude,

716
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,599
there could have been four knockdowns.
He called that one a slip. But

717
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,800
you can tell when Butler got up
from the supposed slip, his legs were

718
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,400
messed up. He couldn't really do
anything as far as get his equilibrium together.

719
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320
And then comes the second official knockdown. That's a booming knockdown. You

720
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,719
know he got up now Jack Rees
said to him, are you okay?

721
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,719
And you could clearly hear on the
audio Stephen Butler said I'm good. I'm

722
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,000
good, And no, you weren't
good because you're saying it's kind of like

723
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,039
walking. He's walking to the left
away from the action. Yeah, you're

724
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,079
good if you walk over here,
Raphael, as long as you're not getting

725
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,239
near Janetbeck, you're still good.
I've seen guys on a Friday night,

726
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,239
drunk off their ass and penn station
in New York City walking straighter lines.

727
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Steve. I mean, he was
his legs were completely gone. And then

728
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,639
you know, I'm Jannabeck. By
the way, It's not like he's a

729
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:06,199
soft puncher. The guys, you
know, got a tremendous left hand,

730
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,679
and he hits him with the uppercuts
and with the with the straight shots.

731
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,320
I mean, his head's all over
the place it was, and then he

732
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,800
hits him again and he falls down
too, like fucking missiles. I mean,

733
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,559
look, terrible, terrible judgment on
that fight. And I've always admired

734
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,039
Jack Reese for a lot of reasons. Is the way he handles fights,

735
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:28,880
because he lets the fights go to
their natural conclusion. He's not over officious.

736
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,599
He gave for example, Tyson Fury, where ninety nine point nine percent

737
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:37,599
of the referees would stop that fight
after the twelfth round knockdown that he suffered

738
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,719
in the first fight against Deante Wilder, where he's laying down and his legs,

739
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,480
you know, his eyes are closing
and his knees up in the air.

740
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,639
That's an automatic stoppage to many,
many, many, many referees.

741
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,760
Jack did the right thing. I
actually had an extensive interview about that situation

742
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,519
for a piece I wrote prior to
the rematch between Wilder and Tyson Fury.

743
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,880
So he made the right call there
at this time around man, he was

744
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,800
just way too brave for his own
good, for for for Stephen Butler's good

745
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:07,199
and Stephen Butler, you know,
he was a warrior. He wasn't going

746
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,480
to quit. And Jack he was
too late on the trigger. And look,

747
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,400
what Jack did is way more dangerous
than what Tony did. Tony may

748
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:21,079
have deprived Barosso of a potential victory
and a crowning achievement and all the things

749
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,519
we talked about about snuffing out the
greatest moment of his career and changing the

750
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,360
true directory of his career. But
the guy he's not going to die.

751
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,320
You know. Butler was in a
position where he could have taken enough punishment,

752
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,679
we could have seriously been injured.
And we're not over and we're not

753
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:38,880
over exaggerating here. I'm not because
because, for example, we saw Patrick

754
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:44,960
Gay rest in peace, take a
vicious shot and his head slam on the

755
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:49,880
mat and he never regained consciousness and
died a few days later after that.

756
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,559
So to think that, yes,
we were laughing a few moments ago,

757
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,440
to think this was not serious stuff
when Jannebec laid him out with the left

758
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,679
and he fell hard on the right
side of his head, it could have

759
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,840
been much more serious in that moment. And so you're right. The old

760
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,760
axiam in boxing of better a punch
too soon than a punch too late does

761
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
stand in so, but in the
case of twenty weeks, there's got to

762
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,639
be a punch that lands. There's
got to be there was no because there

763
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,559
was no punch, an attempted punch
or two too soon that did not land.

764
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,679
As we go back to kidding about
it, but there you go,

765
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,280
all right, one quick comment from
you, then we're onto Regis Progray and

766
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,760
you're one on one conversation. Jannabeck
called everybody out except for the late Marvin

767
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,199
Hagler. The late Carlos Monzone and
anybody else moving forward. What do you

768
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,920
give me, Give me a gauge, what do you think is realistic for

769
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,639
him in the next fight or two
of a big magnitude because he did his

770
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,920
part, he got his big knockout
look. He called out two specific names,

771
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,480
and I love the fact that he
called it out. He said it,

772
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:50,719
he said it in English. All
good there, you know, so

773
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,280
the fans and the press and everybody
evolved could understand clearly what he was saying.

774
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,679
You could understand the emotion in his
voice. He called out Canelo Alvarez.

775
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,960
I can't blame him. That has
these zero chance of happening. Kennello

776
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:05,519
is a super middleweight. He's the
undisputed champion. No one's dictating to him,

777
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:07,719
and all due respect to Jannebeck,
he doesn't bring anything to the table

778
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,239
financially. He's not a mandatory it's
it's a different promoter, you know,

779
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,400
it's uh, you know, just
not gonna happen. Kennello is not tied

780
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,159
to anybody promotionally. He could theoretically
pick him and maybe do a deal with

781
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,159
top Rancor or wherever. But this
there's zero is going to come of that,

782
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,000
but you gotta gotta can't knock the
hustle. Put it like that.

783
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,719
So the other guy called that was
Jermalis Jamaral Charlo, the WBC's middleweight champion,

784
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,519
a highly unlikely fight to happen.
And I say that because while Charlo

785
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,440
has not fought, it'll be two
years coming up in a couple of weeks

786
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,800
that he hasn't had a boxing match. He is allowed to take an optional

787
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,079
defense when he comes back, if
the WB sticks to its previous ruling,

788
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:55,519
and then if Carlos Adamis Adamas rather
wins his upcoming interim titled Defense. The

789
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,199
ruling from the WBC said that both
Charlo and Adamas could take in her fights

790
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:01,920
and they'd have to fight next.
So a Damas has his fight coming up

791
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,039
in June, and then Charlo will
have his whenever he comes back, presumably

792
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,079
sometimes before you know this summer.
I can assure you that he's not going

793
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:16,320
to be picking Jannebeck to fight off
of a two year layoff for that kind

794
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,280
of fight. It's just highly highly
unlikely, particularly across promotions and across networks

795
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,559
where it's one thing for the people
with Showtime and Golden Boy in the Zone

796
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,119
and PBC to get together and work
and get a tank. Davis Ryan Garcia

797
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,599
done because there was gargantuan amounts of
money and a huge fight. Jannebeck against

798
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:37,360
Charlo is not a huge fight in
terms of the money it would generate.

799
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,519
So you know, he's not going
to get those fights. He's not going

800
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,440
to get a fight probably with a
guy like say Triple G. I just

801
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,840
don't see TRIPLEG wanting to fight his
fellow Kazak. That's a big factor,

802
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,079
I believe, forget about and by
the way, TRIPLEG is forty plus.

803
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,519
He's not going to go mess around
with a young stud like that. You

804
00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,440
know what the middleweight division, as
we joked around about in the previous you

805
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:01,599
know, it's like you say you're
the best middleway. That's kind of like

806
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,679
being the heavyweight champ of the Bahamas. You know, good for you,

807
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,000
but it doesn't mean anything. So
I'm not sure. I don't believe there

808
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,159
is a big fight for him at
the moment. Is there a top name

809
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,440
at one fifty four that's about to
move up? Is there is he gonna

810
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,760
go to sixty eight, which is
you know, not the deepest at the

811
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,400
moment, even though, uh,
you know, because Canello has already beating

812
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,199
so many of the top guys there. You know, it's it's really it's

813
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,880
a tough call. You just have
to hope it's going to be a situation

814
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,599
like what happened with this fight where
top rank was left to look at the

815
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,239
writings of the WBO which he holds
the belt, look at their top you

816
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,920
know, ten or fifteen, and
try to pick a guy that a is

817
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,599
willing to fight, comes for the
right price and gets approved. Jennebeck's okay

818
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,119
with it, and try to make
the best opponent possible. I mean,

819
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:51,239
they're just in a tough spot because
if you're you're you're We know Jennebek is

820
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,679
a good amateur. We know he's
been good pro even if he had some

821
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,760
trouble with Bentley and didn't look so
good in the first defense. But what

822
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,400
he's done now is here's his resume. Knockouts against the am former secondary title

823
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,800
holder, knockout against Robert Brant,
a secondary title holder one the interim title

824
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,400
was elevated, you know, won
the enterm title by destroying Danny dignam in

825
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,360
like what one or two rounds,
then had the defense against Bentley, where

826
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,360
he looked terrible but still won a
clearer decision. And now this fight,

827
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,480
you know against Steven Butler, who
he just you know, destroyed like a

828
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:28,280
ragdoll, not exactly murderers row of
his world title type fights. So he

829
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,760
fights in a terrible weight class and
good luck to him. What can I

830
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,440
say? I'll interject one thing,
and then we're getting to your interview.

831
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,719
You know what would make a lot
of sense, and it's boxing, and

832
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,440
nothing ever logical happens is tell oscar
Deal La Joya and himI Mungia, get

833
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:44,559
your butt in shape, get down
to one sixty where you were, where

834
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,960
you were the number one contender,
and find a way to make that fight

835
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,920
because he's the WBO champion. Jana
Beck, make that fight, and I'm

836
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:57,400
certain, I am certain that the
top ranked people would be interested in that

837
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,400
fight because it would draw from the
Mexican fan base, etc. Have the

838
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,199
fight in California, in Las Vegas, it would draw. That is something

839
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,199
that could maybe happen. But if
the mismanagement of Mungia's career is going to

840
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,599
continue, then we don't even have
that. Why can't even mentioned Mungia because

841
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,360
he's now fighting at superman, That's
what I mean. And he has a

842
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,320
fight scheduled against which is not as
good of an opponent as Jannetek would be.

843
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:28,320
At least Devin Chinko older perhaps whatever
is a quantum leap from the garbage

844
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,360
he's been fighting. All Right,
that's not gonna but I will say,

845
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,119
though you admire me for at least
trying in theory, that's a good five

846
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,400
bonus points. That would be a
very interesting fight. That would be something

847
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,679
where I would say, you know
what, you know, it's going to

848
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,960
be a good fight. And Mungia
was the number one ranked contender for at

849
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:50,039
least a year and a half or
two years in the in the pre fight.

850
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,079
He didn't say it after the fight, but in the pre fight comments

851
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,639
that Jennebec made he talked about Mungia
was a mandatory. He ran away from

852
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:00,159
me. Demitrius andre was the champion. I was interim champion. He he

853
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,400
ran eight pounds away for me to
not take the fight. So there is

854
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,559
something to and I don't know if
they're true. Well, look, ANDREI

855
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:07,960
was doing his thing. He was
struggling with the way. I'm not gonna

856
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,960
say I love the fact that he
left and didn't fight the guy, but

857
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,039
I kind of understand it. The
mangia is just a straight thuk period and

858
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:20,840
the story mismanagement. Okay, with
that, let's get to somebody that has

859
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,559
delivered in the ring. Enough build
up, here we go. Regis pro

860
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,679
Gray in a recent conversation with Dan
Midweek last week, off of his recent

861
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,599
title win WBC Junior welthaweight Championship victory. What's next for him? New deal

862
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,440
with match Room Boxing, et cetera. Dan and Regis covered all of that.

863
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:44,000
We get to that conversation now,
I'd like to welcome into the podcast

864
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,679
this week. It's none other than
the WBC Junior Weltaway Champion of the World,

865
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:50,800
the two time Junior Welteraway title holder, or Regis Progray. Regis,

866
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,840
welcome to the show. Thanks a
lot for doing this. I think you're

867
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,960
the second time you've been on the
show with us, so I appreciate it.

868
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,320
How you been going, have been
a busy week for you? Yeah?

869
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,320
Man, been a busy week.
Man Stone never stops going off,

870
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,599
you know, So I literally just
woke off from like a thirty minute app

871
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:07,320
just to talk to you. So
I am. I'm beyond honored for that.

872
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,800
I know what that's like, all
right, So let's get into it.

873
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,320
You know the reason you're in the
news. You were you have been

874
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,679
for the last couple of months.
Really, in my mind anyway, probably

875
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,239
the most notable boxer in the world
that's been on the free agent market,

876
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,000
that you were able to go with
any promoter or any broadcaster and do your

877
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,239
thing. You know a much.
You're fighting a great weight class. Obviously,

878
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,159
just won the WBC title at the
end of last year, and so

879
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,679
here you are making the rounds.
You decided to sign with Eddie Hernam Matchroom

880
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,559
Boxing. You made the announcement with
Eddie in an interview. You were down

881
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,920
in Guadalajara, Mexico during the Canelo
Alvarez John Ryder event, and that had

882
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,440
ian and made that big announcement.
And now not only that you not only

883
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:51,480
was it announced that you would sign
with nat Room, but you would have

884
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,679
your first title defense on June seventeenth
at home in New Orleans. You would

885
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,840
take on the undefeated Australian fighter also
with Matchroom, named Liam Paro. So

886
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,519
congratulations on that. Can you just
just tell me just your feelings. I'm

887
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,440
just getting it out of the way. Like finally, you know what,

888
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:08,440
you took your time, you talk
to the different outfits out there and came

889
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,719
to a decision. Is it a
relief. Yeah, it's definitely a relief,

890
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,719
you know for my whole almost my
whole career. Man, I feel

891
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,119
like I haven't been really promoted properly, you know, I feel I mean,

892
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,039
it's it's how many two time world
champions you know out there right now?

893
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,840
It's I mean, of course they
haven't, but um, you know

894
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,840
their profile is probably way big to
mind. So now it's just like I

895
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,639
feel like I'm I'm gonna start getting
the exposure that I really deserved. And

896
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,880
yeah, it's just it's just a
kind of like a weight limp up my

897
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,559
show that you know, I'm done
with. Of course I would sign with

898
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,679
like the prevail up they turned disrupt
you know, all that was kind of

899
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,159
going on then you know, after
that, everybody find out I was a

900
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,159
free agent. Then of course,
man, man, my phone when once

901
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,239
people find out I was a free
agent, my phone was blowing up.

902
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,599
What it is right now, Like
my phone everybody people was out there saying

903
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,840
they managed me. People I don't
even know they were talking about they manage

904
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,880
me all kinds of stuff. Man, it was just going It was just

905
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,119
like things were just kind of getting
crazy. Um, you know. But

906
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,960
then you know, I talked to
Eddie, I talked to Top Rank,

907
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,199
you know, people from like PBC
reached out, and um, you know,

908
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,119
I just I felt I felt like
the Eddie just had the better deal.

909
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,880
That's why I went with Metric.
Do you feel a sense of relief

910
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,880
to get it over with and now
you know when your next date is,

911
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,599
you know that you're gonna be with
the same group for the next few fights,

912
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,000
et cetera. Yeah, exactly.
Feel definitely relief. It's not a

913
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,159
you know, over the over my
past few years of my career, it's

914
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,880
always been all right, I fight, and then what's going on? What

915
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,920
is supposed to happen next? Like
you know, when am I gonna fight?

916
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Who am I gonna fight? What
network? What promoted? Like,

917
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,280
what is going on with my career? I don't know? So now I

918
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,719
just got that. That's a it's
a big relief that now I know what's

919
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,559
my pad gonna be. You know, I have I think Eddie's gonna line

920
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:45,559
up the fights for me. He's
gonna put me on the net. Just

921
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,840
everything is just kind of in order
right now. All right, So before

922
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,599
we get into the more detail about
your upcoming fighting, the decision making process

923
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,960
all that, I'd like to go
back a little bit because last time I

924
00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:00,000
spoke to you about things was right
before you had your title fight against jose's

925
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,679
A Pado fighting for the WBC vacant
title that you now have. That was

926
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,519
a really good fight back in November, day after the Thanksgiving weekend, actually

927
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,920
in California. You stopped him in
a really good fight in the eleventh round,

928
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,199
won a tunnel for the second time. Just give me your general thoughts

929
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:17,280
on that performance. I mean,
I can't imagine you it couldn't have been

930
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,400
any It probably couldn't have gotten any
better than you would played it an exciting

931
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800
fight, You get the knockout,
you get in some rounds and uh and

932
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:28,960
and made a good payday and all
that. Right. It would like you

933
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:30,679
said, Man, it couldn't have
went any better. You know, I

934
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,320
think because you just like you said, it went rounds. We went eleven

935
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,639
rounds. I stopped to eleven round
Um. You know it was in his

936
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,039
backyard, so I had a lot
going against me. Um and Depato was

937
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,360
like I mean, for me,
Zapatos probably, if not one of my

938
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,920
toughest, probably probably my toughest fight. And um, you know, I

939
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,280
went up there and I just felt
super confident. I just I felt super

940
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,039
good about everything, and I went
up there. I got the job done

941
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,119
against a Killerato is a you know, people don't Ada is a killer.

942
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,039
You know, he had all these
big, top top knockouts, and you

943
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:05,920
know, he was really really good. And I went out there and I

944
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,360
stopped a bit. I feel like
I solidified myself right now. Is probably

945
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,719
one of the best at one forty, if not the best at one forty

946
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,559
right now. Yeah, I mean
I think obviously Josh Taylor as a champion.

947
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:16,880
You know, he did defeat you, albeit very closely, so some

948
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,679
might say him he's been out for
a while, but certainly in the top

949
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:24,679
two. Let's say after you won
the title, the WBC ordered you to

950
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,039
make a mandatory defense against Jose Ramirez, who had previously turned down the vacant

951
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:35,280
title fight against Jose Zapeta, and
because he was getting married, he hadn't

952
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,079
have a good schedule, so he
had to take care of business. And

953
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,920
my question for you is, when
you won the belt, and they ordered

954
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,519
the fight. That seemed like maybe
that might be the next fight. His

955
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:51,920
team said, we want, you
know, to explain. It was supposed

956
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,199
to go to a purse bid,
which would have been sixty five thirty five

957
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,480
in your favor as the champion.
He said he wanted forty of a purse

958
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,519
bid, and therefore turned down the
fight ended up fighting Richard Comey instead,

959
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,519
obviously a much lesser fight, at
least in my mind, and I think

960
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,599
most fans and I was always kind
of like perturbed by that because the sixty

961
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:14,400
five thirty five was only in the
event it went to a pursepit. In

962
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,519
other words, if you sit down
as business people and negotiate, there's no

963
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,960
percentage. You just come up with
the number you're happy with, and vice

964
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:23,440
versa. Maybe it doesn't work out, but maybe it does. What were

965
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:29,599
your thoughts about him just using that
five percent as a reason not to even

966
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,400
have a conversation, much less a
purse but or negotiation. I mean,

967
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,760
listen, it's it's a clear duck. I feel like it's definitely a clear

968
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,039
duck no matter what I mean.
I suppel the fight back in twenty eighteen.

969
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,000
It never happened. So now Jose
Rare Mirrors back in two thousand eighteen.

970
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,639
It never happened, and it's just
a clear duck. It's just like,

971
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,000
why would he even be allowed to
be, you know, in that

972
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,239
position. He already turned down the
fight was a paid up, and now

973
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,639
he turned down the fight will meet
the fight. Like I said, people

974
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,880
a lot of fans don't even know, Like they're saying all kinds of stuff

975
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,559
about why that they're not given the
five percent? Why didn't this he didn't

976
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:05,480
even accept he didn't They didn't even
let it get that far. They just

977
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,760
said no off the top, you
know. So it's just for me,

978
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,840
I think it's a clear like honestly, I don't think I would like right

979
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,920
now, in my head, I
don't think that will ever fight on the

980
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,920
Rare Mirrors because it's just like it's
always something that's always gonna come up.

981
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,119
They know, they know I'm a
dangerous fighter, and I mean, unless

982
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:23,480
he just want to cash out and
just retire you something like that. But

983
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:28,559
I don't think that he would ever
want to fight because you had a chance.

984
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:30,800
And so now I saw that he
was supposed to be a like order

985
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,960
to fight the dude, I'm fighting
Leah Powell for an eliminator, Like why

986
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:37,719
you can fight for eliminated when you
could have fought for the belt. It

987
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,440
just it's literally it makes no sense
at all. I mean, he has

988
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,280
his he has his die hard Fresnel
fans, of course, but like the

989
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,639
I think the overall people they know, like, like what is going on?

990
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,400
You know, And don't get me
wrong, it's a small move on

991
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,719
his manager not to fight me.
You know, it's definitely a small movie.

992
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,199
Go fight call me and you know
whatever. But like, I just

993
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,000
want the fans understand that the it
didn't even get to the purse bid,

994
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,280
Like they say, no before I
even got there, Like they didn't even

995
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,880
they say, oh, they say
about the money and stuff, I'll make

996
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,000
more. How would you know you
didn't even get awful nobody never got off.

997
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,880
Well that's what I say, Rey, just I wasn't even gonna I

998
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,360
was gonna go even back one step
the purse. But is only in the

999
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,679
event where the sides decide they can't
make a deal or don't want to make

1000
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,800
a deal and put it up for
auction. My impression of this entire scenario

1001
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:30,800
was there was never any actual discussion
between your side or his side, and

1002
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,480
it was just they just basically said
on Twitter or in the press or whatever,

1003
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,360
no fight. We're no, we're
not gonna do it if we don't

1004
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,960
get that percentage, like like a
take it or leave it. I mean,

1005
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,920
yeah, exactly, and it really, I mean honestly, there's five

1006
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,039
percent make the difference? Like it
really, I don't think five percent really

1007
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,280
makes that different if they were serious
about what we could have did the five

1008
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,719
percent, but that even make a
difference. They didn't even let it get

1009
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:55,920
that ball. Soon they heard that, they were just like, no,

1010
01:02:57,159 --> 01:02:59,360
we out whatever. So I was
like, all right, you know,

1011
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,480
because I thought that I was gonna
fight him next. That was my that

1012
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,440
was in my head. I was
I thought that after this it was gonna

1013
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,039
be it was gonna be as a
payda and and then after it was gonna

1014
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,960
be Romorus. And then obviously it
didn't happen, So I was just like,

1015
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,480
what up? And then after I
was supposed to be to and that

1016
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,559
didn't happen either, So I was
like, man, whatever, But I

1017
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,880
just you know, I just felt
like listen, I need to go to

1018
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,679
now. I need to focus on
me. I was worried about these fights,

1019
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:24,440
not even focus on me and go
find you know, a big promoter

1020
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:29,400
that's low promoting. Listen, at
least with Tiafimo, he ended up taking

1021
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,679
a fight with the guy that beat
you. So you can't really dog in

1022
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,280
for that. I guess no,
Yeah, but I was wondering about it.

1023
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,679
When you became a free agent,
you, like you mentioned earlier,

1024
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,760
you had been with Probellum. Uh, they give you a couple of fights.

1025
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,639
Uh, they closed up shop,
they sold some of their assets or

1026
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,199
you know, signed some of their
contracts to this disrupt outfit, which has

1027
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:51,920
been awfully quiet for the last few
months since they made a grand announcement.

1028
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,480
What was going on with you with
them? In other words, how did

1029
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:59,320
it end with you and Probellum Android
Disrupted Disrupt Or did they try to make

1030
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,000
an attempt to keep you? Did
they just uh you know, release you

1031
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,039
at your request or just release you
because they wanted to? How did that

1032
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:09,239
all come to a conclusion that made
you a free agent? Point just we

1033
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,239
just came in to agreement. Um
that It's just like nothing that is,

1034
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,000
I felt like nothing is going to
happen, Like what is gonna come out

1035
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:15,719
of it? You know? And
I think I was. I know there

1036
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,199
was there was releasing a lot of
people, but I was like one of

1037
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,880
the last people that actually got released. You know, obviously I think I

1038
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:25,119
was, if I'm not mistaken,
I think I was probably like one of

1039
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,280
the only world champions at the company. So you know, of course they

1040
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,039
want to they want to hold me
longer. So but I was like one

1041
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:33,199
of the last people that got released. And um yeah, I mean they

1042
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:39,599
I don't know what was going on
with them any any like animosity in the

1043
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,320
release or was it all professional or
was there any issues or it is just

1044
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,920
it was all professional. I mean
from I never really talked. So what

1045
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,960
happened? Was they so they had
they asked you to offer the fight they

1046
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:53,760
offered me. They offered to fight. Um I think it was Jack Cato.

1047
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,039
That was the only thing they had
for me, is the Jack Cattero

1048
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:59,920
fight. But um it was I
think it was okay, money and stuff

1049
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:01,719
like that, but at the same
time, it was for me. I

1050
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,559
want after I want my belt.
My thing is I want to defend at

1051
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:09,119
home. I have why I should
defended my hometime New Waters, So that's

1052
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,800
what I wanted to do. And
on top of that, they didn't have

1053
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,039
a network, so I'll be in
the same position that I'm in right now.

1054
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,480
I was like, all right,
I'll fight. And it was supposed

1055
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,320
to be in let me um in
a fight, was supposed to be in

1056
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,800
Saudi Saudi Arabia, and so like, all right, I just want to

1057
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,760
belt. And now I got to
go travel to Saudi Arabia to fight and

1058
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,159
on no network. It just you
know, for me, it just no,

1059
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,480
it made no sense. I was
like, no, I don't want

1060
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:36,280
to do that. Why would I
want to do that? Obviously, you

1061
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,960
know I fight Jack Catterall. But
I was like, I'm not gonna go

1062
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,400
fight. I just want my belt. I want to fight at home,

1063
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,719
you know, at least in the
States. I mean, if it if

1064
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,239
it's not at at home in New
Orleans or Houston, it has to be

1065
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,440
for me in the United States.
So they wanted me to fight it Saudi

1066
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,599
Arabia and then no type of network. It's like, I'll be in the

1067
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:58,400
same boat that I'm I've been in. It just you know, basically just

1068
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,639
like fight for money but no profile, right And I know at a boxer,

1069
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,880
the profile is part of it because
it helps you make more money down

1070
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,679
the road after that. I understand
that probably one of the things I found

1071
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:12,039
interesting reach just about your free agency
is that you basically ended up going through

1072
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:16,039
the process on your own, in
the sense that usually there's a manager to

1073
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:19,599
guide the person. Now, I
know you had been managed by Sam Katkowski

1074
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:23,760
for quite some time. I actually
saw Sam when I was out in Las

1075
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,360
Vegas at the Tank Davis Ryan Garcia
if I ran at him. I've known

1076
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,199
him for years. We talked a
little bit about it. Said, you,

1077
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,159
guys, you know, just came
to the decision that you decided to

1078
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:35,320
part ways, no hard feelings.
I guess I'm not sure necessarily believe that.

1079
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:40,039
But what can you tell me about
going through the process without a manager

1080
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:44,280
and why split from a manager at
the exact moment when you might actually need

1081
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,360
the manager of the moment was going
into free agency? Um? I mean,

1082
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:55,360
well, I say about it without
saying too much, it's like right

1083
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,400
now, Yeah, it's just like
right now, I just feel like,

1084
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,760
man, like, do I really
need Like I don't know if I really

1085
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,239
needed a manager or not. That's
all like, right now I'm going to

1086
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,960
a free agency. Obviously, I
feel like, you know, maybe a

1087
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,400
manager could help me a little bit, you know, but is it is

1088
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,880
it really worth Is it really worth
it to have um, you know,

1089
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,280
somebody taking a percentage of your money, and how much of a percentage of

1090
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,400
your money are they're gonna take?
And can you do the stuff yourself?

1091
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,800
And I mean I feel like,
you know, I feel like I do

1092
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,000
feel like I'm telling you, I
read a lot of books all the time,

1093
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,119
and and I do want to know
the business side myself. So I

1094
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:31,800
want to be in a and I
want to have the um the conversation with

1095
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,559
the promoters myself. I'm meeting these
guys, you know when I went,

1096
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,679
you know, I met when in
Vegas with Type Rank, I met with

1097
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,599
Eddie myself. You know, I
have an assistant, I help my lawyer,

1098
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,320
of my coach, and that's I
feel like, that's all I need.

1099
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,159
You know. Now, I'm not
telling I'm not telling nothing. The

1100
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:48,239
young fighters don't have a manager.
But as far as I you know,

1101
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,079
right now, like I'm a I'm
a two term world champion. I already

1102
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:55,079
like things are kind of mapped out
for me already, and I can tell

1103
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,800
I can tell a promoter you know
what I want basically already. So and

1104
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,440
I want to learn this business myself, and you know with another thing with

1105
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:04,840
the with Eddie what Matrium is like, I'm starting my emotions thing, so

1106
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:09,440
I'm learning the business thing. I'm
learning the business side of things myself.

1107
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,119
And that's why I feel like,
man, I don't I just feel like

1108
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:15,039
I don't need one at this time. Now. Maybe I changed my mind

1109
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,000
in a you know, down the
line the future, but right now I

1110
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,560
just felt like it just I just
felt like I didn't need a management maybe,

1111
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,159
like I think, maybe they could
give me a little more money,

1112
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:27,520
but it probably equals to the same
thing once you pay them, right,

1113
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,600
So does it matter? I mean, does it really matter? You know,

1114
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,760
the numbers are what they're gonna be. You know that's all. Okay.

1115
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,359
So you you made that decision,
you went through the process you just

1116
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,159
mentioned, you talked to Top Rank, you had PBC's interests, you obviously

1117
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:46,039
had conversations and ended up signing with
Matrium. And was there something specific?

1118
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:49,720
In other words, I would think
when a boxer's a fridgent, they're looking

1119
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,600
at a number of things, the
activity obviously, the money, What type

1120
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,199
of opponents can they offer me if
I get a bigger fight? Can we

1121
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:00,760
really go to town and make it
as big a profile event as possible.

1122
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,479
Obviously Eddie, you know, has
done huge events, but I don't know

1123
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,399
if the money was the same.
He doesn't seem to be that deep in

1124
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,439
your weight class compared to other promoters. So I'm just curious when you were

1125
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,000
making your checklist of these were the
things that were most important to me,

1126
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,199
what was it that made you say, Okay, natural is where I should

1127
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,840
be. And they're obviously a good
promoter. Nobody's disputing that, right right

1128
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:26,359
right. Well, first off,
the money activity, well really, I'll

1129
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:28,720
tell you. I mean it's kind
of out there. To Rank actually offered

1130
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,439
me. They at first they wanted
five fights, then they offered four fights.

1131
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,680
Obviously it was more money than the
three fights and stuff like that,

1132
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,960
but it was more money at top
rank, but it was it was between

1133
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,279
those two. I went back and
forth. It was like three or four

1134
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,640
weeks, man, I went back. I would wake up and say,

1135
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,279
all right, man, I'm going
to tie rank. Called to Rank,

1136
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:46,279
I'm going to tie rank, and
then I would just go to sleeping like

1137
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,960
man is matrim And literally I did
that every single day for a long long

1138
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:57,319
time. And what really came down
to it. So I know with Todd

1139
01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:00,159
so Todd Rank, the first fight
was gonna be August. It was.

1140
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,680
It was supposed to be Barbosa in
August. Not a bad fight after that,

1141
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,119
not a bad fight, not a
bad fight, not a bad fight,

1142
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:11,159
Barbosa August. And then after they
said maybe Ramirez and maybe like TiO

1143
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,520
and maybe Josh Taylor. The problem
all those people. Of course, all

1144
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,960
those people, I want to fight
Barboza or whatever, you know, that's

1145
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,920
what but Ramiro and John Taylor,
ta female. Of course I want to

1146
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,680
fight those guys. But the thing
is, I'm what I'm hearing is that

1147
01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:27,800
Ramirez has one more fight on a
contract goal chalk rank. So what do

1148
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,000
he fight me after that? I
mean, he been he didn't want to

1149
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:31,439
fight me all this time, So
what do you really fight me? I

1150
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,359
don't know, you know, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna guess it,

1151
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,880
and just you know, go that
way. And then he well then he

1152
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,920
doesn't have a belt or nothing like
that either, but still and the um

1153
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:45,439
and then like a TiO TiO,
maybe he has one more fighter espn two.

1154
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:46,600
I don't know. I heard he
kind of has, you know,

1155
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,760
his deal is coming up with with
esp in the top rank. Listen,

1156
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,760
I'll just interject your t Female says
a lot of things. My understanding is

1157
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,600
T Female, he's not going anywhere
after the Josh Taylor fight win or Lewis.

1158
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,079
He's he just resigned with top rank, not that long ago. They

1159
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,920
got him from right, right,
But the point I was hearing other stuff

1160
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,840
right, but then and then so
it's and then the Josh Sailor thing.

1161
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,640
He might go up to one forty
seven. So with Eddie, you know,

1162
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,359
he kind of mapped out a plan
and I do want to I do

1163
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,720
want to have the belts. I
do want to get the belts, and

1164
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,199
I think from what I understand,
Eddie is um, you know, he'll

1165
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:20,680
give me a few time of defenses
to get some you know, some guys,

1166
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,760
maybe some tough, tough, tough
competition. But from what I understand,

1167
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,960
Eddie is close to getting a deal
done with Matias. I've heard that,

1168
01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:30,720
and yes, so I heard that
too. It he told me that

1169
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,920
already and then it's kind of out. So that's somebody who I want to

1170
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,039
fight. And if you look at
I think, besides myself, that's a

1171
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:43,439
belt good who's the most dangerous in
the division. It is Matias. That's

1172
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,880
probably from the from for me as
a die hard fan, if you really

1173
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,640
want to see a good freaking fight, Regio's program against Sabrill and Matias,

1174
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:56,399
there's a really good fight. There's
no doubt exactly right. So he's already

1175
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,520
he's supposed to be closing with him, and I think that at the end

1176
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,720
of like not at the end of
the year, but probably the beginning next

1177
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,439
year, it'll probably be me and
it'll probably be being but Tissot foot um

1178
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,359
unified. I have a belt,
he has a belt, and that's the

1179
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,079
fight I want, you know.
I feel like, of course he can

1180
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,560
build his profile up a little bigger. He can get a few, like

1181
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,840
two fights and build his profile up
a little bigger. But I think that

1182
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,920
me and him will have up a
mega fight, a huge huse fight,

1183
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,520
and then he has a belt,
something that I do want to It'll be

1184
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,000
a lot of money and he has
a belt, so it's something that I

1185
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:29,279
want so um, you know,
that's why I went with match Rim.

1186
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,640
Another thing with matt Rim, they
literally told me like you're gonna fight next

1187
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,399
There was like you're gonna fight in
June, like, listen, if you

1188
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,600
sign this. That's where we had
to hurry up. There was like listen,

1189
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:43,119
if you get this done, you
already have a fight, don't No.

1190
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:45,079
I was already no, no,
no, I was already training.

1191
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,479
I've been training the old time.
Yeah, I've been training already. So

1192
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,039
because I kind of done about it
already, like Eddie, we met with

1193
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:57,439
Eddie. Um now it was like
I think it was last week. It

1194
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,680
was like last Monday we met with
him. And literally after that and you

1195
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,479
just how people know when they hear
this last Monday is the Monday before the

1196
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,560
Canelo John Ryder, Yes, yes, exactly. So he was going to

1197
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,079
Guala Howard, but he stopped the
Houston just to have dinner with me,

1198
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,279
and you know, we talked in
we I'm not alive. He felt the

1199
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:16,920
too. We didn't have a good
conversation, We didn't have a good meeting.

1200
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,119
You know. It was just like
it was kind of like, uh,

1201
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,359
you know whatever. Um And then
after that I went one because I

1202
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,640
knew something might happen and I was
just like, man, let's you know

1203
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,279
what, let's just get it done. Let's let's get this fight done,

1204
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:31,920
because I do want to fight that
they're already was playing this stuff him.

1205
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,000
They're planning to be fighting in June
in New Orleans. So it's like,

1206
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:39,239
man, let's let's get this.
Let's get this deal done, all right.

1207
01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:42,239
So I mean the possibility of the
of the maybe the names like the

1208
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,600
female Taylor Winner or or Ramirez or
Barbois or whatever, that was interesting to

1209
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,359
you, But in terms of what
they had to offer you a naturum,

1210
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:53,199
you obviously get the first fight with
Paro. I don't think anybody's gonna look

1211
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:55,640
at Paro and say he's not a
good fighter, but he's not maybe on

1212
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,800
your level necessarily. But besides that, the guys that it seems to me

1213
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,680
as I look at the roster that
Natural has. If he signs Mattias,

1214
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,119
obviously that's gonna be a big fight
for both of you guys. He has

1215
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:10,359
Catterall now, who he just signed, that's obviously the top contender. They

1216
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,239
have Richards and Hitchins, who's been
making a lot of noise, he's undefeated.

1217
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,079
Are those the sort of other than
Montana Love is there who's maybe fighting

1218
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:19,640
Richards and Hitchins this summer? Are
those the sort of names that they like

1219
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,119
penciled in and said, these are
the kind of guys are gonna offer you.

1220
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:26,199
Yeah, of course I don't think
they pestled them, all of them

1221
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:28,279
because it's only a three fight.
Oh right, No, I don't mean

1222
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:30,399
I know that. I'm just saying, but though, yeah, so really

1223
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,840
it'll really it'll just be it'll be
the second fighter, like all those names

1224
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,319
will probably only be narrowed down to
really like the second fight, because the

1225
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:41,119
third fight, like I said,
it shouldn't be Matias. Oh, if

1226
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:45,079
it's not Matias, it shouldn't be
somebody somebody else, like a big fight,

1227
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:47,880
you know. So of course obviously
we have all power roll next month.

1228
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,159
Then after that it'll be somebody and
then maybe we can hopefully we can

1229
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:56,279
get them a Tias fight, right
um so um. But and then but

1230
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,680
another thing I signed with Eddie.
Eddie, a lot of the promoters they

1231
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,960
have, they have big eagles,
right, they don't want to work with

1232
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:05,880
other class like fighters exactly, Yeah, they do, right, But Eddie,

1233
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,760
I feel like Eddie would pick up
the phone if it's a major fight.

1234
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,159
I say, Eddie, look I
want Josh Tailor. Man, I

1235
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,399
gotta get johs tail Let's make the
Johs Tailor fight happen, Eddie. I

1236
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,560
feel like Eddie as at least he's
gonna try to make that fight happen.

1237
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,439
He'll really really try. He'll like, he'll gonna call Bip, He'll call

1238
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,800
Todd the Buffet. He'll like,
Man, let's let's make this fight happen.

1239
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,399
You know. So it's like I
said it with the mental it's just

1240
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,640
more It's just more freedom, you
know. That's that's kind of it's sort

1241
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,600
to Some people might say, you
know, if you really really want to

1242
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,560
tailor in the short term, and
of course you don't know if he's gonna

1243
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,239
win the fight come June against Tiafimo, they would say, why didn't you

1244
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:44,640
sign with top Rank, because he
would be he's with them. You could

1245
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,359
definitely make that fight if you're all
in the same umbrella. Well, it

1246
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,920
was because the Toy Rank deal was
just longer, I think I was.

1247
01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:53,680
It was just I feel like I
was gonna get stuck in something long term.

1248
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:59,199
Oka. And so if I after
these three fights, I can still

1249
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,119
go to right if I want,
you know, fty street fights, I'll

1250
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:03,760
be I'll be right in an fty
street fights. I'll be right back in

1251
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,520
the same boat again. I'll be
a free agent. You know. Um,

1252
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:12,279
if every hopefully everything goes well,
I have I'll have three more fights.

1253
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,840
If I get them with tears,
I'll have another belt and I'll be

1254
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,880
a free agent. So the thing
is what my plan is that, Um,

1255
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:24,880
I can go knocking on whoever's doing
again with another belt and with three

1256
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,880
more fights on my on my resume
with a whole other belt. So guess

1257
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,039
what the numbers they gave me.
They're gonna be time Street. It's time

1258
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:34,520
and you're obviously you're betting on yourself. My question is those three fights,

1259
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,239
is there a time frame in which
they're supposed to take place? By it

1260
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:42,359
less than they Okay, well that's
great because that means you're active. Um,

1261
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,439
that's terrific. Let me, I
want to wrap it up with this,

1262
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,920
just just to talk because you do
have a fight coming up. We

1263
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,920
can't ignore Liam Paro. He's gonna
be in the ring throwing punches at you.

1264
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:53,640
Uh, just give me your general
thoughts about Parlo. He really is

1265
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,000
not I've seen him fight before,
but he's only got the one win in

1266
01:16:57,159 --> 01:17:00,359
my mind that really resonated at all, which was the Brocks first run knockout.

1267
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,920
He maybe a little bit of a
lesser win against Alamar. What are

1268
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:09,199
your thoughts about him as your first
title defense. I didn't know, honestly,

1269
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,199
man, I ain't do nothing about
him, But I don't look.

1270
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:15,319
No, I don't never overlook nobody, just because this is a huge fight.

1271
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Man, this I think this is
gonna be a real big event in

1272
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,479
the Wallace that night. You know, we got a lot of people coming

1273
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,520
out, so I can't disappoint.
I can't go out there disappoint nobody.

1274
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,000
I definitely can't go out there and
loose. So I mean, I'm training

1275
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:29,880
just like it's on, you know, like like it's the best person in

1276
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,479
the world and all the second best
in the world that won for you.

1277
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,880
I'm training just like that. So
you know, I don't I don't know

1278
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,119
nothing about him, but I mean
I'm I'm training just like I always trained.

1279
01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,680
And one last thing, just your
thoughts about you know you have fought

1280
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,920
at home in New Orleans before,
but it's been a while and not as

1281
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,119
a newly minted champion. How excited
are you just to be in the hometown.

1282
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,680
I mean, I actually cover the
fight New Orleans a long long time

1283
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,560
ago. When Roy Jones box there, you know, it's a real underrated

1284
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,520
fight city. It seems to me, Yeah it is. I mean the

1285
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:00,600
boxing coach isn't there. I mean
I was the like I was the first

1286
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:06,119
world champion um from New Orleans and
like since Winni Pastronto. Okay, so

1287
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,079
that's a long time ago. You
know he trained with Ali. Of course

1288
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:12,399
your history just like ye, so
he tried Ali and all of them.

1289
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,239
So you know that was a long
long time nineteen sixty something. Um,

1290
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,560
So it hasn't been on the map
for a long time. But you know

1291
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,039
that's what that's what I'm here for. I'm going to bring it, you

1292
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:24,880
know, bring it back again.
I brought it back in twenty eighteen.

1293
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,119
We did a big thing on ESPN, and so now it's just it's just

1294
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:30,520
gonna be a whole I think it's
gonna be a whole different level that was

1295
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,039
even before I was the world champion. I'm a two time world champion and

1296
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,760
my profile is way bigger, and
I just feel like everybody just want to

1297
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,880
help and everybody wants to kind of
fill up this arena, and it's a

1298
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,279
way big arena. It's I think
it's it's just gonna be a great night

1299
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:45,319
overall for the whole city. Well, I certainly wish you the best of

1300
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,119
luck in the fight. Wish you
lucking getting the bigger fights that you want

1301
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:51,640
over the course of this new contract
with Matt Roum. Congratulations on the deal

1302
01:18:53,039 --> 01:18:55,000
and thank you very much for joining
me. Wish you the best of luck.

1303
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:58,640
Regius Man, Thank you man,
great stuff. As always, you've

1304
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,960
been rolling along and in if the
Matias fight, which you've been talking about,

1305
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,560
you talked about on the preview podcast
that maybe that's not the next fight

1306
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,600
right in the matchroom deal, but
maybe the third fight Matias comes on board

1307
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,640
theoretically with Matt room to Zone defends
the w what to help Me WBA version?

1308
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,279
Which one does Mattias has the IBF
version, Matis has the IBF fight.

1309
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,159
Actually, Matis was on his social
media in the last three days talking

1310
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,079
about how how much he wants Program
okay, and when he won the title

1311
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,399
a few you know, several months
ago, he even said in the post

1312
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,359
fight unprompted, he wants to fight
Program. So it the if you follow

1313
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,279
the bread crumbs, if you will, the comments from regis my own reporting,

1314
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:44,119
the things that that he's been saying. The fighter has been saying it

1315
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,359
feels like he's going to close a
deal with Mattrium, which is gonna mean

1316
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,880
that again, not in the next
fight, but certainly within the content.

1317
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:54,279
Let's put it like this regises contract
with Mattrium, he said, calls for

1318
01:19:54,399 --> 01:19:58,199
three fights less than a year,
which means coming this coming summer, the

1319
01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:00,159
one that's coming up in June,
another fight before the end of this year,

1320
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:04,560
and then another fight probably that would
be theoretically first quarter issh of next

1321
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:09,279
year, and that would mean that, yes, in that third fight,

1322
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:11,680
we could very well see if that
deal is consummated. I love that.

1323
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:15,920
That's a great matchup. I hope
it happens, and you know, props

1324
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,640
to both guys because they want to
take a tough opponent. And let me

1325
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,359
tell you, if you're a junior
welterweight, with all due respect all the

1326
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:24,439
other it's a very deep weight class, as was discussed at length on the

1327
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,640
showtime card, and you can just
look it down, pick any kind of

1328
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,640
set of rankings wherever you choose to
look at them. It's just a great,

1329
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,399
great, greatly deep weight class.
You can mix and match, you

1330
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:38,479
know, ten fifteen sixteen eighteen.
Guys come up with good matches, but

1331
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,720
h Mattias against program my mind is
probably from an entertainment point of view,

1332
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,159
the best fight you can make in
the weight class. Sign me up on

1333
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:48,000
that one. I would like that
quickly. Some news and then some nostalgian

1334
01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:55,239
we're done here on the podcast,
you are reporting that they are locking in

1335
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:59,399
here. It's not announced yet,
but an IBF lightweight title eliminator. We

1336
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:06,199
mentioned George Cambosis being none too happy
with Tony Weeks's stoppage of the Romero Barroso

1337
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:10,399
fight. Cambosa is gonna be back
in the ring coming up. Give us

1338
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:13,520
some quick update on that. So. I'd recorded quite a while ago that

1339
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,520
they were doing a deal for him
and Maxi Hughes from the UK from England

1340
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,079
to have this IBF eliminator fight.
It was going to originally be in Australia

1341
01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:23,319
and they were, you know,
trying to work out the deal and get

1342
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:27,439
the date squared away. As it
turns out, from what I am told

1343
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,279
now, the folks that work with
Tim Zoo, No No Limit Boxing,

1344
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:34,079
George Ros they now basically have a
lockdown on pay per view in Australia from

1345
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:39,279
the big providers for domestic fights,
which means if you are George Cambosis fighting

1346
01:21:39,279 --> 01:21:42,600
in Australia, you can't be on
their pay per view platform. Means you

1347
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,279
can only be on their pay per
view platform in Australia if you're not fighting

1348
01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:48,159
in Australia. So that fight with
Hughes and Cambosis is now going to take

1349
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:53,600
place in the United States. He
has done a contract extension with Lou Debella,

1350
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,000
his promoter, who is now going
to co promote George with top rank.

1351
01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:00,760
This fight between George and Maxie Hughes
is to be a top ranked ESPN

1352
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,159
card and it will take place in
the United States. It will be July

1353
01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:08,800
twenty second in Shawnee, Oklahoma,
and you know, George is looking to

1354
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,640
try to get back on the winning
track after the back to back losses to

1355
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:15,000
Devin Haney in their undisputed title fights, the first one to unify all the

1356
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:17,640
belts, the second one obviously in
the immediate rematch. Maxie is a bit

1357
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,199
of a veteran from the UK.
He's got some losses, but he's on

1358
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:24,680
a real good run lately. He's
got seven wins in a row or so.

1359
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,560
He's you know, knocked off some
decent opponents and look, that's not

1360
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,479
a bad fight. And but the
thing it tells me also is that when

1361
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,600
your top rank and you're the promoter
of fighters, at least for the time

1362
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,560
being of Devin Any, you have
Vacilly Loma Chenko, you also have other

1363
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,640
fighters in the weight class. You've
got your course Stevenson obviously, who's soon

1364
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,560
going to be the rainmaker, it
seems to me in that weight class you're

1365
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,279
looking to load up with your talent
at one hundred and thirty five pounds.

1366
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,760
And if you've now done a deal
to be the co promoter of George Cambos's

1367
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:55,319
junior and and he's going to be
on one of your one of your shows

1368
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,720
working with Debella, that just another
chip in your reserves because if you're going

1369
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,199
this is something that every promoter understands, not sure if all the fans quite

1370
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:08,239
get this. If you are the
promoter of one of the lynch pins of

1371
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,439
a division, the best thing you
can do is also have the guys in

1372
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,159
and around who can fight each other
or fight him to create the action and

1373
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:17,319
the activity in that weight class.
And by getting a guy like Cambosis,

1374
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:21,600
who is a reputable fighter who's been
in some good fights, who was no

1375
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,920
question of unified champion, and now
he's part of your stable. You can

1376
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,279
maybe make him hey there and by
the way, it won't shock me if

1377
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,079
he sticks with top Ring for a
little while. Then maybe eventually he goes

1378
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:33,760
to one forty and down the road
we see a rematch between him and Tithemo

1379
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:41,039
Lopez Good being one other nugget here, Liam Smith, what is believed the

1380
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:44,560
British media is saying a back injury, a slight back injury for what it's

1381
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,920
worth, in training, has postponed
briefly the Chris you Bank fight, the

1382
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:54,319
rematch of the knockout, the surprising
upset knockout by Liam Smith when they fought

1383
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:58,880
earlier this year. So you're reporting
this, have they confirmed this? They

1384
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:01,720
move out back announce it. Yeah, Boxer which is the promoter of the

1385
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,000
of the fight, and they put
on the first fight. Uh, they

1386
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:08,640
announced it, they didn't announce the
injury. I've read the same reports and

1387
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,800
heard the same thing that it's some
kind of as as William said in his

1388
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,439
statement when the when the postpone was
announced from June seventeenth to July first,

1389
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,359
he called it a niggle. I
guess that's a British like you got a

1390
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:23,079
little bit of a problem. I've
never really did. To me, I

1391
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,880
got worried when I hear about when
I hear the word back and minor,

1392
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:32,079
I'm always to me, that's always
us as a red flag because back injury.

1393
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:35,399
So in the US injury vernacular in
sports, we call it a tweak

1394
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:40,439
or a twinge. They do seriously
call it. What is that a niggle?

1395
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,520
A niggle in my back? Ouch, babe, I can't train this

1396
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,840
week. We got to move the
fight back. So again they're again,

1397
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,600
they're postponing it two weeks June seventeenth
to July one. It's still going to

1398
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:54,640
be Sky Sports box Office, a
pay per view in the UK. Still

1399
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:59,640
no definitive outfit for an American broadcast. The first fight was, of course

1400
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,880
string on the zone in the United
States. We'll see if they are able

1401
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,880
to pick up the rematch or perhaps
it will go elsewhere. In any event,

1402
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:10,199
you know, not the worst thing
ever. I mean, he never

1403
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:12,640
likes sea fights get phoned. But
his postponed. But as long as you're

1404
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,880
able to get it back on track
for two weeks later, and they're keeping

1405
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,960
the rest of the card in the
same schedule, so everybody's gonna be delayed.

1406
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:23,720
You've got the undisputed women's super middleweight
fight with Franchion Cruise on that card,

1407
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,840
and some other notable, you know, somewhat notable fights on there too.

1408
01:25:28,279 --> 01:25:30,359
So two weeks not two weeks postponment, not a huge deal. July

1409
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,039
first, now for that rematch in
the UK, all right, without any

1410
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:38,600
more delay. We've had a very
busy show. Let's spend a couple of

1411
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:43,439
minutes talking about the anniversary on this
one. May fourteenth, the Sunday that

1412
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,760
we're doing this. We've released it
into Monday, two thousand and five,

1413
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,560
almost twenty years ago, my man
the Wink, Ronald Winky Wright, former

1414
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:56,399
two division world champ Boxing Hall of
Famers, scored arguably the most impressive win,

1415
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,279
if not the biggest win of his
career. You were there as he

1416
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:01,840
beat Felix Trinidad. Now two days
ago, we were popping up Trinidad's knockout

1417
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,920
of William Joppy. You were there
for that electric atmosphere. This was the

1418
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:12,880
opposite. This was everybody thought Trinidad
should win, and Winky dominated the fight.

1419
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,199
You were ringside by the way.
We have talked about this before on

1420
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:20,000
the podcast I'm gonna prop up my
friend Jason. My friend Jason listens to

1421
01:26:20,119 --> 01:26:25,600
us from time to time, Jason
for work reasons. That week in two

1422
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,640
thousand and five was in Puerto Rico, was in San Juan, and the

1423
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,199
night of that fight, as he
related to me, was just bonkers everywhere

1424
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,760
in San Juan. They had to
fight on in like a town square on

1425
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,199
a big TV. They're waving the
flags like you talked about at Madison Square

1426
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:45,239
Garden when Trinidad fought there. And
he said, as that fight wore on

1427
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,920
because Jason lived here in the Tampa
Bay area with me, and Jason got

1428
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,960
to meet Winkie right through me.
At one point he's like the wink put

1429
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,720
it on him, and by like
the ninth round, the tenth round,

1430
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:59,119
they're throwing their flags down in this
town square and leaving they knew it was

1431
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,319
a shoutout. So there's my back
half of that. You were ringside for

1432
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:06,680
Winki's arguably biggest, most important win
at least to that point in his career.

1433
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:10,920
What about Yeah, well, for
a couple of things, but number

1434
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,880
one, Winky was a one division
champion at junior middleweight undisputed back in the

1435
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,720
day when it was three belts,
with his two first big victory over Shane

1436
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:23,800
Mosley followed by the rematch one junior
middleway titles twice because he earlier had been

1437
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:27,279
the WBO title holder at a time
where it didn't carry the same kind of

1438
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:30,439
weight as it did as it does
now. Anyway, Look, that was

1439
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,840
a big fight. That was That
was a huge deal. A couple of

1440
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,640
a little background of what was going
on there. So yeah, Felix Trinidad,

1441
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:39,800
he had beaten Joppy as we talked
about last week. As I mentioned,

1442
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,760
sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're
the bug, and this fight against

1443
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,840
Winky Tito was in fact the bug. But he beat Joppy obviously got knocked

1444
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,760
out by Bernard Hopkins. Had one
more fight after that and a homecoming against

1445
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,199
Sharifi, which the anniversary also was
a few days ago, a former title

1446
01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:59,159
holder just annihilated in in Puerto Rico, his last fight of his career in

1447
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:02,159
his home country, home island.
But after that fight against Shariq, he

1448
01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:06,039
had then retired for like two and
a half years. You know, everybody

1449
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:09,000
kind of thought he would come back, but you never knew for sure,

1450
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:11,840
but he finally came back. He
had the big win and a huge event

1451
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,560
against Ricardo my worka very very popular, exciting, tremendous battle, but uh,

1452
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,279
you know, dynamite action fight,
but clearly Trinidad the winner. I

1453
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:24,800
talked about the atmosphere of Madison Square
Garden for the William Joppy fight. The

1454
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,279
atmosphere for the Maorga fight was was
bonkers also, I mean just on the

1455
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:30,960
same level in many ways. I
always remember the first bell ringing for that

1456
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:34,479
fight and the entire crowd just standing
up at the moment the bell ring in

1457
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,560
any event, but he was going
to come. He didn't retire after the

1458
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,560
Myor fight. He came right back. That would the Miriorga fight was the

1459
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,039
end of four October. He comes
back for the Winkie fight in May of

1460
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:47,880
oh five. He immediately wanted to
fight Winkie right now. Nobody was calling

1461
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,479
out Winkie right so you gotta respect
Trinidad for doing that. And you know,

1462
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,159
after that loss, he then retired
for another long, long stretch for

1463
01:28:55,279 --> 01:28:58,800
like almost three years before he came
back and had the final fight against Roy

1464
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,479
Jones, which he retired for good
after. But the Winky Right fight.

1465
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:05,800
That was a WBC middleweight title eliminator. Winky Uh you know had moved up

1466
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:11,720
from junior middleweight. He had had
This was like the culmination of what was

1467
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,239
a tremendous run for for the Winkster. Well, I've always he's always been

1468
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:18,319
a fighter. I liked I liked
him because even though he boxed, he

1469
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:21,520
was not a big culture obviously,
but he would stand in the pocket and

1470
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:26,039
dare you to hit him. It
was like, you know, Pernell Whittaker,

1471
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:30,199
very very difficult to hit, always
to the shoulders, old school tactician.

1472
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:35,199
Yes. Yes, So he beat
Shane Mosley, became undisputed, beat

1473
01:29:35,279 --> 01:29:39,640
him again in the rematch, then
after the rematch when he moved up to

1474
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,399
one hundred and sixty, and the
next fight after the two Mosley fights,

1475
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,560
where now he's involved. He's got
an HBO contractor it's close to the HBO

1476
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,199
contract. He's getting regular love.
He's making seven figure pay days. He

1477
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:51,920
goes up against Tito Trinidad. It's
the main event on pay per view.

1478
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,000
Obviously Trinidad is the A side,
But that was like a pretty big deal

1479
01:29:56,039 --> 01:29:58,800
at the MGM. They had a
big crowd. It was a you know,

1480
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,640
a well received fight is my recollection. In terms of the public expectations.

1481
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,840
You got the great boxer against the
great brawler, but Tito was the

1482
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:11,880
favorite. I honestly don't remember who
I picked, but I'm quite certain whoever

1483
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,680
I picked, I certainly gave Winky
hell of a chance to win because that

1484
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:20,119
jab and the fact that that he
was such a consummate boxer and also was

1485
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:25,560
known, you know, he had
a pretty decent chin, and Trinidad was

1486
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,920
a great puncher. But you know, I felt like, okay, this

1487
01:30:28,119 --> 01:30:30,159
might you know, be competitive.
Whoever is gonna win? But then the

1488
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:34,640
bell rang, my man, and
this was I mean, all these almost

1489
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:39,000
twenty years later, when people talk
to me about what's the biggest wipe out

1490
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:44,199
you've ever seen between two like star
level pound for pound type fighters that didn't

1491
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:47,960
have a knockout, it always comes
to mind, is Winky Wright putting it

1492
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,399
on Tito Trinidad for twelve rounds.
Tito took a beating. His eye got

1493
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:56,760
messed up in that fight. He
took I don't remember what the copy box

1494
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,760
stats where we could probably look that
up, felt like ten thousand. Like

1495
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,760
his head was like a fucking bobblehead
by the end of that fight, just

1496
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,520
bouncing around the line. I love. It was like Lionel Richie all night

1497
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,479
long with that job. Pop pop
pop pop pop after round after round,

1498
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,199
scoring hitting and not getting hit.
It was a clinic. It was a

1499
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:20,600
clinic by the wink The scores of
that fight one twenty to one oh seven

1500
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:26,600
and two scores of one nineteen to
one away and the only reason why Trinida

1501
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,239
I didn't get the clean one hundred
twenty was because he was docked a point

1502
01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:35,119
by the referee for a low blows
at one point in round number nine.

1503
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,840
Um, all take the back that
Trinidad was docked the point, so he

1504
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,359
didn't you know, it wasn't one
oh seven on those other rounds. It

1505
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,720
was as comprehensive as one sided,
as big of an ass kicking, as

1506
01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:50,079
much of a beatdown as you could
possibly have minus a knockdown, and by

1507
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:54,640
the way, that propelled Winkie,
who then went on He had a kind

1508
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,640
of an easier fight in there,
but then he had to fight with Jermaine

1509
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,880
Taylor, which he kind of I
scored at a draw for the middleweight championship.

1510
01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:05,439
They never had the rematch because of
Winky's lunatic financial demands where we came

1511
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:10,720
up with the terminology of the Winky
Wright school of boxing business that I always

1512
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,279
talked about back in the day,
and I said, do with those chats

1513
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,600
back in my early days at ESPN. And then he just had a few

1514
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,760
more fights after that, the Quarte
fight lost to Hops, lost wings.

1515
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:24,520
But really the apex that we talked
about this, like we talked about with

1516
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,000
Canelo, What's what was the apex
of his career? Like what at what

1517
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,479
point do you look back on the
Hall of Famer's career and say, on

1518
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:35,520
that night he reached a very peak, the absolute apex of his career before

1519
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,039
he started down. So let's say
the other side of the mountain. And

1520
01:32:39,159 --> 01:32:41,640
in the case of Winky Wright,
a Hall of Famer or I was proud

1521
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,840
to vote for, he reached,
in my opinion, the apex of his

1522
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,560
career on that night twenty years ago, made fourteen, two thousand and five,

1523
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,960
almost twenty years ago, when he
rattled around Philip Trenand's head like a

1524
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:58,520
bubblehead for twelve rounds and beat the
great Trinidad easy. And I've and I've

1525
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,520
talked to you about this before because
as I cut my teeth early in my

1526
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:04,039
career as a sports radio host in
Tampa Bay with Winky based out of Saint

1527
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:09,439
Pete's Boxing Club with Dan and the
late Mike Birmingham, and this was their

1528
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,880
first world champ. This was their
guy. And I still remember this,

1529
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,840
Dan Raphael I had Winky Wright in
the studio with me talking to him on

1530
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,800
a radio when nobody outside of Tampa
Bay really knew who he was because he

1531
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,239
was only fighting in Europe. He
could not get a US fight contract.

1532
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,199
He was fighting in Europe. He
wasn't on TV in the United States at

1533
01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:31,960
all at times, and you talk
about his lunacy with his financial demands at

1534
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:35,720
times, he was fighting fights over
in Europe and making like twenty thousand dollars.

1535
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,479
Listen, he fought in Germany,
he fought in England, Yes,

1536
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:44,319
and France. He fought in Namibia, in Africa. Obviously, he had

1537
01:33:44,359 --> 01:33:46,720
fights in the United States. But
he was the epitome, the road warrior.

1538
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,760
He could not get the big fight. And yeah, and you have

1539
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,800
to a tip of the hat to
Shane Mosley, who was a competitor at

1540
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,920
heart also when when he kept trying
to get a big fight and Shane Mosley

1541
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:02,640
was looking for a competent competition.
He gave Winky Right the opportunity. Now

1542
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,119
Winky had a belt, but Shane
Mosley didn't have to do that fight by

1543
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:11,279
no means. Shane Mosey was you
know, was hot at that time.

1544
01:34:11,319 --> 01:34:14,319
He could have just done anything he
could have you know, he didn't need

1545
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:15,760
to have that fight as the point, I mean, he went in with

1546
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,399
the IBF title, Shane had the
other two, but he didn't have to

1547
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,359
do it, and it became like
a big deal. It was the first

1548
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:25,239
undisputed title fight in the Jinger middleweight
division for you know, many many years,

1549
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:27,840
I want to say from memory correct, was almost like thirty years when

1550
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,119
they finally fought, since he had
been that element of a unification in that

1551
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:35,920
weight class. And the thing about
it was it was such a big win

1552
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:41,319
that that again he had other accomplishment, but that that was the fight,

1553
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:45,479
the win for a Winkie that in
minds of many was like, yeah,

1554
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,399
yeah, one hundred percent. We
got to vot him in the Hall of

1555
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:51,159
Fame because of his defensive prowess,
because of the undisputed because of the rematch

1556
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:56,119
win over Shane, but the Trinidad
is the lynchpin victory of his entire career,

1557
01:34:56,199 --> 01:34:59,560
even bigger in many respects than what
happened against Sugar Shane Mosley. But

1558
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,439
Wink right, great fighter. Philip
trinadd was a great fighter too. You

1559
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:05,640
gotta give him prompts for taking the
fight. I mean, I'll quote our

1560
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:10,760
favorite fictional character, the Great Duke
Evers from Rocky two. Should have had

1561
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,119
that conversation with Tito Trinidad about before
he signed that contract. He's all wrong

1562
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:17,079
for us, baby. We don't
need a man like that in our life.

1563
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:20,199
Yeah, and Trinidad defied that and
he took him on, and look

1564
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:25,720
what happened. So, yeah,
eighteen years ago, love the Wink and

1565
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,600
the Wink still around in the Tampa
Bay area, playing golf and going to

1566
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,800
the big fights, et cetera,
and enjoying life. And good for him

1567
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,920
because he finally got those big flights. We didn't evention him. We don't

1568
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,079
have time here. We're gonna get
out of here. He beat Fernando Vargas

1569
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:40,720
that night in an HBO main event
in nineteen ninety nine, and they robbed

1570
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:45,439
him of the decision that night.
So Winky finally got some big paydays,

1571
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:50,159
etc. And some recognition because of
the of the skill he had and good

1572
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,760
good for that, A happy ending
on that, and some great nostalgia.

1573
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,680
Listen, very busy show, my
lord a ton here, rate us in

1574
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,359
review us. By the way,
if you enjoyed this, if you listened

1575
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:03,239
all the way through, including hearing
Regis Progray on with Dan earlier in a

1576
01:36:03,279 --> 01:36:08,279
one on one conversation, you don't
know when We're gonna occasionally get some of

1577
01:36:08,319 --> 01:36:11,840
these conversations as we go along and
put them up midweek in addition to the

1578
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,920
weekend preview or the weekend recap that
we have Friday and Monday. So if

1579
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,239
you are rating us, reviewing us, and you're subscribing and following us,

1580
01:36:20,359 --> 01:36:24,159
then you will get content when it's
up during the week, just like that

1581
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,760
conversation. Great stuff all the way
around. On the controversy with the Tony

1582
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,399
Week, stoppage, the big win
by Janabec, by Ko, everything that

1583
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,399
we had here on the show.
We got Hainy and Lomachinko later this week

1584
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,600
to preview and talk about. So
you're ready to have a good week.

1585
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,520
You're all good? Yeah, we
got we got that undisputed fight here in

1586
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,439
the States we got the women,
Katie Taylor moving up to one hundred and

1587
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,760
forty for the undisputed championship fight against
Cameron in the UK. So we got

1588
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:50,319
two important cards and keep on moving
along at what do we call it,

1589
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:54,159
TJ. We call it fight season. It is fight season right now.

1590
01:36:54,279 --> 01:36:56,800
So thank you Dan, Raypheel,
have a great week. All good.

1591
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,000
Thank you my friend you bet TJ. Talcular brother. We will see you

1592
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:03,039
soon on the Big Fight Weekend preview. Thank you all for finding us,

1593
01:37:03,079 --> 01:37:06,319
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1594
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:09,840
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1595
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,319
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1596
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:16,479
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1597
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:23,760
week. Haney Lomachenko discussion later in
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