WEBVTT 1 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:54.719 There are countless stories in the city about the lives lived here, about how 2 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.159 the fates of others intertwined with our own in ways we can never expect or 3 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:06.719 predict. I'm a reporter. This is my job to see, to understand. 4 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.560 But there are stories behind these stories, stories about terrors. I've only 5 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:19.359 begun to train my eyes to see. I've learned this scene carries a heavy 6 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:26.120 burden. Is once open to the darkness, our eyes can never be closed 7 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:34.000 again. That was the voice of reporter Perry Read in the case we're calling 8 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.159 what's the frequency cold Check? It was the tenth and final episode of The 9 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.239 night Stalker, which was released, or, as we like to say around 10 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:49.359 here, dumped unceremoniously onto iTunes March seventeenth, two thousand and six. I 11 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.319 am joined, of course, by my regular co host, Well he's only 12 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.319 regular when he eats a lot of brand, mister Chris tashe and one and 13 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.840 a two and a three bum bum one. It's the frequency could check. 14 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.359 That's all I can think of. It just sounds like a goddamn song. 15 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.759 It is a song almost and our am song. And also joining us on 16 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:15.960 this episode is mister Richard had him I've been dragged here against my wishes by 17 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:22.199 Chris. You're welcome. Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything other than that. 18 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.280 Yeah, I'm glad you're owning it. With all of the talk of 19 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.840 the New night Stalker, I had never watched a single episode, had never 20 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.240 intended to, and now I can no longer say that. I'm no longer 21 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.240 a virgin. So much easier to make fun of something when you have no 22 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:44.800 experience of it. I mean, I exclusively mock things I've never seen, 23 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.639 because once you see it, then then in a weird way, you're sort 24 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.240 of investing. I mean, I don't know, or I get into a 25 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.719 place of all I see what they're trying to do, because you have to 26 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:59.439 realize I've worked with ABC. I swear to god. I worked with those 27 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:04.319 people, the studio executives that they were dealing with when this show was being 28 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.560 done. I did a show for ABC before this, and I did a 29 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.639 show for ABC just a couple of years after this, so I know the 30 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:15.599 experience they were going through when they were doing it, and even watching the 31 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.439 episode, I was like, oh boy, I can almost I can almost 32 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.680 I can almost read the network notes scrolling by at the bottom of the stream. 33 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:30.240 So spoiler alert, this is my favorite episode of Night Stock or two 34 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:35.960 thousand and five. Spoiler alert for me. This to me, for me, 35 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.360 just kind of another episode. I mean, look it this way, 36 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.960 It's okay. I think you're right, Mike. This is kind of top 37 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.639 of the pile for this show because most of the other episodes have been It's 38 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.400 interesting that we're going all the way back to the beginning of the series and 39 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:58.039 we are having invisible monsters again and mythology, well kind of mythology. Right. 40 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.800 That's a question I have for you, guys, because even not having 41 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.400 seen the other episodes, usually you can watch an episode, or I can 42 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:10.800 watch an episode of a show and go, oh, clearly this is referring 43 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.479 to stuff they've talked about before, or this is a big payoff. Clearly 44 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:20.079 this meant something to those who are following along that it may not mean as 45 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.279 much to me because I haven't been filled in. But I get it this 46 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:29.279 is a big payoff. But I was a little bit unclear if this episode 47 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.560 was providing any of that. Did they know this was the final episode? 48 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.319 Were they trying to do that? No, they did not know this was 49 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:42.000 the final episode, and we're not one percent done with Carl from two thousand 50 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.680 and five two thousand and six, because there were two more episodes, and 51 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:53.040 fortunately question Mark they released those scripts on the DVD release of this, so 52 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:58.040 we will be talking about those two scripts, including the one that they readapted 53 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:04.160 for one of the X Foul reboot episodes. So we're not done with Cole 54 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:10.839 Chack reboot, got it? Got it? Okay? So so they thought 55 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:15.120 they were doing maybe a full thirteen episode order. Yeah, and then I'm 56 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.519 not sure when they got told they're not doing anymore. But I don't think 57 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:25.279 that this well, this doesn't wrap up the series whatsoever. And for me, 58 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:27.399 and feel free to argue with me, Chris, because I know you 59 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.439 love to do it, this doesn't add to mythology whatsoever. This feels like, 60 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.040 what do you call it? A bottle episode. The mythology stuff that 61 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.639 they bring up in this episode is just that like, oh, this is 62 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.839 the thing you've always wanted to know, Cold Jack, because I'm the monster 63 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.439 that's going to give you what do you want? And like I'm just a 64 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.480 trickster monster that's giving you your deepest desires. So it's not really the mythology 65 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:54.439 you're right, but they bring up the mythology because they bring up col Chack's 66 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:59.600 dead wife, which is mythology just for this show. That is the show's 67 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.160 mytholog is the whole thing with Kolchak's wife and how did she die and the 68 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.879 mark of Kine or whatever whatever they're going for, that thing that they really 69 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:12.040 touched on like once and then never brought up again. I mean, as 70 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.480 far as I know, that is the core mythology. I mean, that's 71 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.000 that's the equivalent of Mulder's sister, right, So it's the mystery of how 72 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.199 his luck, which which by the way, so I mean again you know, 73 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:28.199 spoiler alert fourteen years later. But but one of the weird parts of 74 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.839 the episode was that there was a scene, you know, two thirds of 75 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:38.000 the way through where it looked like the implication was that the person I know, 76 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.680 we haven't really set up the episode, but the person you know, 77 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:45.959 who was the antagonist of the episode, it appeared that like it was being 78 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.639 hinted that he was the murderer of Coleshack's wife. At least I thought that's 79 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:56.879 what they were trying to say. But then Coleshack's behavior didn't necessarily you know, 80 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.600 he didn't immediately, you know, react to that information. Did anyone 81 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.720 else feel that way? I didn't get that he murdered the wife. It 82 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:11.839 sounded like he was in the same insane asylum and he heard about the wife. 83 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.759 But I didn't get the implication that he killed the wife. No, 84 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.800 he heard about Colcheck talking about it, right, But I didn't get the 85 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.040 inference as far as like, oh, yeah, and he had also killed 86 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.399 her. But yeah, you're right, we should probably set this up a 87 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:30.319 little bit better. We have this cold open of this guy getting pushed down 88 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.800 a hallway in a wheelchair and there's something at the end of the hallway and 89 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.759 he's very upset about it, and the guy who's pushing him a little off 90 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.560 balance, and then that's our cold open. Then, like I said, 91 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.800 Perry gets the vo That's the first time in this entire series that she gets 92 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.000 the vo at the beginning and at the end. It's the same kind of 93 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:54.879 horseshit that we've talked about before, with the way that Colcheck does the vos, 94 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.560 with the words on the screen and all this kind of stuff. I'm 95 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.399 not sure why she did it unless Stuart Townsend just wasn't available at this point. 96 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.360 Maybe I don't know. That's one of the frustrating things, is that 97 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.040 again, seeing that part, I knew, oh, this is different because 98 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.439 I know you guys have talked about how it's always obviously Koleshack doing the narration, 99 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:20.079 and I thought, oh, well, now that she's doing it, 100 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.279 it'll be an episode that's from her point of view. And then it wasn't 101 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.680 like that's all you could possibly infer from. Oh she's doing it now, 102 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.080 this is her journey. We're going to see the world through her eyes instead 103 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.720 of Koleshack. He'll be involved. So I was like, oh, interesting, 104 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.639 And then that did not happen at all. I'm not even sure she 105 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.919 was super clear on really what happened. By the end of the episode, 106 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.440 I'm like, well, c Clinton is still in the dark. To be 107 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.240 fair, I was kind of in the darkest to what happened as well, 108 00:08:54.279 --> 00:09:01.799 because you clearly see her show up at the house, but that's not really 109 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.559 her, I don't think. But is that so is it in their minds 110 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:13.039 or is it is it in their minds? It's an invisible goddamn monster. 111 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.600 Let's talk about that at the moment jumping the gun here, Well, but 112 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.440 here's the but the thing about Perry, the thing that you do mention about 113 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.279 Perry is that she's not in the episode very much. But let's be honest 114 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.200 here, I'm glad it wasn't focused on her because her character has been woefully 115 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.840 underdeveloped in this show. Anyways, Well, this could have been an opportunity 116 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.840 for her though, sure delfare. So okay, so now we're gonna we're 117 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.000 gonna get you know, start stealing that bucket a little bit so that you 118 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:46.600 know see clearly the Coleshack bucket. Uh isn't ringing anyone's bell too hard, 119 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.840 So let's do the other one. But you know, go ahead with more 120 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:54.000 of the recap of actually what happens in the episode. So we have the 121 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.639 vo we rejoined the story, and we've got Colchak working on a missing person's 122 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.039 case. It's kind of late at night, and Perry starts talking about this 123 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:09.200 birthday party, which I don't know if he was actually invited and forgot invited 124 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.639 and didn't want to go or just never invited, but it sounds like he 125 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.200 might go maybe. But anyway, she leaves a story. She's off and 126 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.399 her own thing. That's where we see Jane. Eventually we'll see Vincenzo, 127 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:28.120 not at the birthday party but after and then Colchak there late at night in 128 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.200 the office, gets a visit from this again rather unhinged guy who's played by 129 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:39.320 Pat Healy and what's his character's name, Paul, I think, and Paul 130 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:46.120 thinks that Colchak is sending him a code through the articles that Colcheck has written 131 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.879 throughout this entire series. So here I was thinking, Okay, now we're 132 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.039 going to tie together some of this stuff. It's going to be like the 133 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.720 end of the first season of Fringe, where they start to tie all of 134 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:03.720 these disparate cases together and bring them all together. But unfortunately Paul's kind of 135 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.759 a lunatic. He kidnaps Colcheck and then we spend pretty much the entire rest 136 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:15.519 of the episode in Paul's house and him talking with cold Check. It's almost 137 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.840 like a two man play of these two guys in this little room. And 138 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:26.039 there's potentially a monster at the end of the hall. And of course, 139 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.679 as I say that, I keep thinking about Grover. You know, there's 140 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.639 a monster at the end of this book. So we're going to talk about 141 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.519 that monster, which is called the Old Man. So it sounds like Paul's 142 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:41.159 got a lot of father issues and he has been dealing with this or not 143 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.000 dealing with this for a long time. And yeah, he lives a very 144 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.080 weird existence, like the only thing in his main room is a toilet, 145 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.519 and then stacks and stacks and newspapers, because it seems like he is very 146 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.360 obsessed with all of the codes that he is picking out of the newspapers. 147 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.799 And would also say that the name of this episode, What's the frequency, 148 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.799 cole Check, it's a reference to Dan Rather, and that he was attacked 149 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:13.559 by a guy on the street years ago who just kept saying, Kenneth's the 150 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.200 frequency, Kenneth, what's the frequency? And was beating Dan Rather all the 151 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.039 time while he was asking that. And then that kind of entered into pop 152 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:28.720 culture being the RM song. And then I read a great conspiracy theory book 153 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.039 years ago that was trying to tie in Dan Rather being in Dallas nineteen sixty 154 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:39.440 three with this Kenneth was the frequency, and it gets into real murky territory. 155 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.279 But it was pretty great. Yeah, And that guy apparently who attacked 156 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:50.120 Dan Rather, he thought that NBC was putting out some sort of or he 157 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.000 thought the news networks or the networks were putting out its kind of a common 158 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.799 delusion. They were putting out a signal directly to him, and he wanted 159 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.320 that signal to be turned off, and he needed to know the frequency, 160 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.720 so he attacked Dan rather to find out what that frequency was so he could 161 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.080 stop these messages beaming into his head. Later on, like ten years later, 162 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.600 that guy killed an NBC employee, like a security guard, because he 163 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.080 was trying to break into NBC. He was still plagued by that same delusion 164 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.639 and actually murdered a guy. So, I mean, it's a pretty dark 165 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.000 ending to that, So it's perfect for a pop song. It's like, 166 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.039 hey man, nice shot right about Bud Dwyer killing himself on Live DV, 167 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.440 which I, alice thought was about Kurt Cobain, But I just recently read 168 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.639 the Bud Dwyer thing, which is somehow way worse. Yeah, way, 169 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.679 way, way worse. Just like the conclusion to that story that Richard just 170 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:52.639 oh my god again having only heard about the show and then finally watching it, 171 00:13:52.639 --> 00:14:00.320 it's pretty clear that this incarnation of the night Stalker is preoccupied, like 172 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:07.000 really preoccupied with that sort of like really Chris Carter kind of level of almost 173 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:16.159 Millennium style. You know, the world is an existentially horrible place and there 174 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:22.919 is no solution to the mystery other than more horror and darkness. I mean, 175 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.440 that's definitely the feeling I got from this episode, and I kind of 176 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.639 assume that's the other episodes. Also, I'd like to point out here that 177 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.120 Richard just mentioned Millennium, a TV show that no one has mentioned in twenty 178 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.039 nineteen. Might one even say people don't even know that that show existed except 179 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.679 except for the crossover episode from Exiles. Lance Henrickson will remind you about that 180 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.200 if you ever talked to him, because he's still waiting for the movie. 181 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.360 He'll also remind you when you talk to him that he hates puppets and loves 182 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.679 making pottery. If he could do that for a living, he would. 183 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.039 I like how we both spoke to Lance Henrickson Mike, and neither one of 184 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.000 our interviews are even close to being one of them touched on anything close to 185 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.919 similar. What do you think about on a daily basis, how much I 186 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.519 hate puppets? In Potter and hopefully a Millennium movie coming soon, He's got 187 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.039 this idea of making a pot and then have it basically fired by the fires 188 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.320 of the mushroom cloud that will strike near his home, and then it turns 189 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.480 into a beautiful pot after the entire rest of the world has gone to ash. 190 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.360 That's astounding. Yes, you're right, Richard. That's the thing that 191 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:37.799 we've talked about multiple times on this podcast is that this show, this like 192 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.759 you said, incarnation of coal Check, is just the X Files, even 193 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.759 down to the fact that they pair coal Check with a female character who is 194 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.879 a skeptic and he's a believer. And there's a Skinner esque character in Tony 195 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.480 Vincenzo. I mean, not really as much as Skinner, because Skinner was 196 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.919 almost in every episode of The X Files and later on in the Run. 197 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:07.080 And you know that formula worked for the ex Files because you had really charismatic 198 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:12.080 leads in Decovney and Anderson, and there was actual chemistry, like palpable, 199 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:18.360 tangible chemistry between the two. And again, like we said before, there 200 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:23.519 isn't in this show. Stuart Townsend. It's not his fault entirely anymore than 201 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:27.480 it's Gabriel Union's fault. But they don't have any chemistry. And you know 202 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:32.639 what, this is the last actual episode of the show we're going to be 203 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:33.799 watching, and you know what, I think, Mike, you and I 204 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.120 can walk away and say that that never changed just having the benefit of seeing 205 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:44.360 only this episode. There is that one scene, which then we are told 206 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:49.960 is clearly imagined by Cole Shack, where she comes and tries to help him, 207 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.960 and I like, and of course me and I think maybe any viewer 208 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.759 just sort of looking for, you know, working for humanity, looking for 209 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.440 a human connection, a relationship to root for. I was sort of like, 210 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.160 oh okay, oh I see where this is going. They worked together. 211 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:15.200 I get that Koleshack is alone wolf, he's doing his own thing. 212 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.799 She clearly has some heart, and now this is a moment where they're connecting. 213 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.160 Oh okay, great, And I was really excited about that until what 214 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.920 happened right afterwards, and then until I found out that it probably wasn't real, 215 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.759 which it wasn't real. I mean again, I don't know how to 216 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.119 process what ends up happening in the later part of this episode, because what 217 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:38.680 Pat Healy is talking about at the beginning of the episode ends up not really 218 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:44.599 factoring into anything. There's like a weird body horror nod where it's like I 219 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.240 cut off my toe to get rid of the old man. It's like, 220 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:52.559 what this feels like is and we've talked about this on other episodes of the 221 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.640 show and on other episodes of other shows that we're on. This is a 222 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.960 good idea that ends up going nowhere, ends up being too scatter shot for 223 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.480 its own good. It's like when you and I talked about anti viral Mike, 224 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.680 It's like, how many good ideas can you throw at the wall? 225 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.640 You need to pick one or two and don't try to go for the full 226 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.319 spectrum of just bizarre shit to throw at the screen. When you have an 227 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:21.000 episode like this, the expectation when a guy is clearly crazy, usually a 228 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:27.839 character like that is used as you know, almost a non human way to 229 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:33.559 inject theme. You know. It's like it's like this person, because they're 230 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.559 crazy, doesn't have to follow any rules, doesn't have to have like a 231 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.160 motivation that we're like, he's not committing the perfect crime, he's just crazy. 232 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.640 So the purpose he ends up serving in a show like this usually is 233 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:51.480 I'm going to magically speak your heart. It's kind of like what Chris was 234 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:56.359 saying earlier, like I'm going to be a straight shot into Coleshack's soul, 235 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.599 and so this is going to be a way to reveal to the audience cole 236 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:06.720 Shack greatest hopes, dreams, fears in a way that feels like you arrive 237 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:11.519 at something and that you could not arrive at in any other reasonable way, 238 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.960 because Colesack involves in a crazy world, so only a crazy person could speak 239 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.359 any truth to that. I guarantee that that was the expectation, probably when 240 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.759 they wrote it and probably for anyone watching it, was we're not going to 241 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:29.000 get anything that makes sense. So at least we'll get the big thematic truths 242 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.720 of the show that haven't come yet. And I don't think we got that. 243 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.839 Did the thing that I wonder about with this show, because look, 244 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:41.319 we will never truly know what the potential of this show was going to be, 245 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.319 because, like you said, Richard, you can see the writing from 246 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.200 the studio kind of on the wall. When we talked to Frank Spott, 247 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:55.200 and it's what seems like Mike forever ago he said as such about the show, 248 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.160 that there was studio meddling. And what we'll never know is what this 249 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.559 show could have been, or what this show was before it was turned into 250 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:08.559 a cheap X Files knockoff, but thus the spark, the seedling of an 251 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.240 idea, like you said, Richard, is there for chemistry between the two 252 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:18.519 of them. It just it's too little, too late. It's really too 253 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.759 little too late. This is the last episode. And again, like you 254 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:26.799 said, Mike, they didn't know, but you're thirteen episodes in, like 255 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.440 come on. And then the weird part is the beginning. Her beginning narration 256 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.240 is all about how you know when you know there's darkness behind darkness, and 257 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.839 then when you see it, you can't unsee it again, which implies that 258 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:47.319 she is going to witness something that she's never witnessed, and it seems to 259 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:53.480 be or about to be paid off when she joins him in this muffross place 260 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:59.960 and then gets shot. And you know, when you're writing the episode, 261 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.480 as you're watching it and imagining various outcomes, you're thinking, oh my god. 262 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.920 So the final scene of this episode will probably be Coole shack and sees 263 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.720 in the hospital and he's standing by her bed and and she's like, what 264 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.119 the fuck was that? What happened? And he's kind of like, yeah, 265 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.079 honey, welcome to the party. I'm dealing with this ship all the 266 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.599 time. And if you love me or you want a relationship with me, 267 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.400 you know it got my wife killed. It's you know, it almost got 268 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:32.839 you killed. That's the challenge of being Carl Koleshack's girlfriend. And then the 269 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:36.400 question becomes, oh, so how is this relationship going to develop? If 270 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:40.599 that's the case, which could have been cool, Well, anything is better 271 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.200 than Jane McMahon is dancing at the party with those other people, right, 272 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.279 Yeah, that was the most depressing party I've ever seen. That was a 273 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.559 pretty bad party. Yeah. Yeah, Cole Check is lucky he got kidnapped, 274 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:59.240 right, he had the better night overall. I think the way you 275 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.200 have this show end, if they had known the show was ending, is 276 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:08.079 you have Perry Reid murdered. Colcheck goes on and he devotes himself more to 277 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:14.480 finding whatever. But that would be tough because I mean, don't you need 278 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.279 to have some investment in that relationship for that murder? To me, it's 279 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.720 like the wife's murder is nothing, but okay, we just need to set 280 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:27.519 up, you know, context. But I mean, the joke about the 281 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.119 X Files is people really did tune in to watch that relationship and they didn't 282 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.440 really They said that relationship less than You Fee the Cactus, and people still 283 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:42.799 were so into it. This episode had moments for me, real good jump 284 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:49.559 scares, like when Paul's caseworker shows up, mister Kim, and when Paul 285 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:55.920 shows up and zaps him with a taser rudimentary taser. I was like, 286 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.319 okay, you know, like, hey, this guy's gonna come. He's 287 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:00.759 gonna you know, I know that this is coming, but it still was 288 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:02.920 just like, get out of there, get out of there kind of a 289 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:10.079 thing. Yeah. And then when Carl's got a thermographic camera for whatever, 290 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:15.759 right what maybe just carries it around with him, and when he gives it 291 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.160 to Paul and he's like, oh, go ahead, you know, look 292 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.039 at the end of the hallway and you'll see nothing. And then when he 293 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:23.759 holds it up and there's an actual shape there, it's just like, oh 294 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.599 shit, now it's on. So I was like, Okay, these are 295 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:32.279 some real good moments here. Like I said, this is my favorite episode 296 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:36.000 of the show, but that doesn't mean very much because the rest of these 297 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.319 episodes have been so poor. So it's just like this is like a good 298 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.000 trip to the doctors. You still have to go to the doctors. But 299 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:48.400 at least like you didn't have to get a you know, a rectal exam 300 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.440 or something. What is it. Our friend father Malone always says, the 301 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.519 world's tallest midget. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Well okay, 302 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.960 so so let me let me circle back to something that you questioned before, 303 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.200 which again seems like pretty low hanging fruit, but still it was too high 304 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:11.160 for the world's tallest midget. In the first scene where we're in the newsroom, 305 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.759 you know, the office where Coolshak works with Perry, she comes by. 306 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.680 She mentions, Okay, they're throwing me this party and everyone knows about 307 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.880 it, and Colshack's like, I don't know about it, and she's like, 308 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.759 no, it's okay. I know you don't have to keep the secret. 309 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.720 And he's like, no, I really don't know about it. I 310 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.319 actually thought that was really cool because I thought the joke was they literally didn't 311 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.119 invite him, but then later on you find out that they did invite him, 312 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:42.039 which then not only made it like less fun to go, oh my 313 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.200 gosh, Kleshak is such an outsider that they don't even invite him to this 314 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:49.920 party, but it also made it well, no, they did invite him, 315 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.720 and he's insisting either insisting they didn't, or he's insisting they didn't so 316 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.240 he doesn't have to go, which then seems weird because it's like, well, 317 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.240 dude, you know, that's kind of throwing cold water on whatever relationship 318 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:08.640 I'm hoping for here. And then the third weird part of all of that 319 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.079 was he doesn't appear to be doing anything in office. He doesn't even have 320 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:17.519 a story like, oh, I'm waiting for an important call or I'm meeting 321 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:22.200 someone, or there's a reason I'm here. He's literally bouncing a ball off 322 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.440 the window. He's not doing He's not engaged in anything. So I was 323 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.680 confused by all of that. I thought, for sure, Okay, this 324 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.720 guy is creepy as fuck, let's not invite him. So I was really 325 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.559 hoping that it was going to be more of that social outsider kind of a 326 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.279 thing. I mean, at least that plays into his character. If that 327 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.920 would have been cool. But tell me who's the dude at the party though, 328 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.279 the dude who is talking to Perry. Is that a guy? Is 329 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.519 that a regular in the show. Yeah, that's Jane McManus. He is 330 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:55.279 their roving photographer. Imagine a character that's willfully underdeveloped. Yet one episode they 331 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:59.039 pretend to kill him off and we're supposed to care about that, which we 332 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:00.640 don't. Well going to say, are we supposed to like him or is 333 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.960 he like comic relief or what role does he play in the show? You 334 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:10.240 kind to just mentioned all of it, like he's almost a shaggy but not 335 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.759 this endearing and he doesn't need as much. The character you're missing that is 336 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:19.920 good is Alex Niby, which is unfortunate because Eugene Bird is as Alex Niby 337 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.799 is actually one of the better aspects of this show, and he only was 338 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.160 on what are we say in three episodes? And what does he do? 339 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:33.680 What's his deal? He worked at the Morgue? Oh okay, okay. 340 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.039 It is funny how there's sort of the parallels to the old show, like 341 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.599 he's the John Fiedler. Yeah, he was not Gordy the Ghoul by any 342 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.680 stretch of the imagination. He was actually helpful to pole Jack. I mean, 343 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.400 I've gone around with Chris about this as far as is Jane completely superfluous, 344 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.000 and I always come around to the point of, yes, I don't 345 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.279 think that he really needs to be there because he's more like we've talked about 346 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.119 this before as far as is like Perry takes turns with him, as far 347 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.960 as being the damsel in distress, and neither what because they've split essentially what 348 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:14.160 could be one character into two characters. Neither character is very well developed, 349 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.240 because like that could be one character theoretically, right, Mike, I don't 350 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.799 think I'm like really stretching on that one. But Jane McManus now and here 351 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.599 at the end of the show kind of a post mortem of what we've seen, 352 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.519 Jane McManus and Perry Reid could have just been one character. Having not 353 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:37.599 seen the pilot episode of the more modern version, did it feel like in 354 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.440 that pilot episode, Like, did feel like, Oh, it's like they 355 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.920 obviously want this character to be a particular thing, but it just never ended 356 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:51.000 up happening, like like, oh, clearly he's the goofy friend. But 357 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.000 then oh, I guess not. I mean, was there anything like that 358 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:57.079 going on? Was Jane even it was Jane? Even it was Jane even 359 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.400 in the first episode of the show. I'm pretty sure he was there in 360 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.359 that garage when they first meet Colecheck, who's already beat them to the scene, 361 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:10.799 and he calls them by the wrong name or something like Jane calls Colcheck 362 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.559 by the wrong name. I'm pretty sure he was there and somebody for period 363 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.480 to have like an as an ally against Colechack. And that's kind of that 364 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:25.519 same role that he's played. But then he's kind of to fill you in 365 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.839 a little bit more, Richard, he's gone back and forth and he's mostly 366 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.759 swung over to Colchack side, where it's just like, Okay, yeah, 367 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.079 you're saying it's monsters, then it's probably monsters. Let's go look at for 368 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:40.279 the monsters. But he's he doesn't even have that like jaure, that passion 369 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:44.720 or anything where he wants to, you know, be the new monster Hunter. 370 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.599 And like you know, he's like he's nowhere near Mutt from Constantine or 371 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.759 something. He's not like, oh, I want to be the next monster 372 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.000 Hunter. And he's not even the lone gunman from the X Files. He's 373 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.839 just kind of there. He's there. He is definitely there, just like, 374 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.480 oh, by the way, Richard, let's also point out again, 375 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:08.839 since we're kind of now just talking about the show, Vincenzo yet another woefully 376 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.720 underserved character in this version of the show. But hey, you got to 377 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.680 actually see him in this episode, which I think is the first time in 378 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.680 like three episodes. So yeah, he doesn't like to show up very often. 379 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.200 And that was weird too. Yeah, that was a weird little moment 380 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:30.279 with him, because again he didn't It's like it's like at a loss for 381 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:36.079 doing anything else. They just have people continue to echo the you don't understand 382 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:41.000 the darkness that Coleshack lives with, you know kind of party line, which 383 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.200 feels like the like that's kind of what Vincenzo was saying, Like whatever he 384 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:51.240 was saying in this episode, it just felt like it was just reinforcing this 385 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:56.319 notion that Coleshack's a dark guy in a dark world and you know, the 386 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:03.039 end Instinctionally, I'm like out in the other show, Vincenzo was the you 387 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.759 know Nemesis antagonist. You know, he wasn't the monster, but he was 388 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:15.079 the real wife person saying Coleshack, you're wrong. And then up Dike was 389 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.440 like, I'm like, oh so is McManus, is James and Gannus sort 390 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.400 of was he starting out like the up Dike or I guess not, or 391 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:29.359 he's not even the marml Stne Speaking of Monique, a certain someone may have 392 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.799 sent us a certain signed picture by a certain Monique marmal scene. Well you 393 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.039 know you you you guys have an admirer, you know out of the podcast 394 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:45.559 first doubted the Warner Brothers lot. Just just put it on the pile with 395 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.839 all the other gifts you get from your listeners. Boy, that is a 396 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.839 pile of what. Be careful, Chris, you might die under the pile. 397 00:30:55.279 --> 00:31:00.079 The pile lapse on me. You know. I think the thing about 398 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:06.279 this show is, you know, we've had some interviews where we've talked to 399 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:12.680 folks like Frank spot Bets, like Eugene Bird. Their hearts were in the 400 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:19.200 right places, but it just it failed in spite of I mean, look, 401 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.160 it was a good idea, but at the same time, I still 402 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.799 kind of question remaking a show that was essentially made a lot better twenty years 403 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.920 after it came out. Anyways, I think ABC executives went, Okay, 404 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.839 we own this show called The night Stalker, it's one of our properties. 405 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:45.839 And recently a very very huge, humandously popular show called The X Files was 406 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:52.000 on TV. So maybe there's a way to meld those two. But the 407 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:57.160 problem being anyone tuning in for The night Stalker isn't going to get that because 408 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:04.039 there's no humor, no charm, no fun. And then anyone turning in 409 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.319 for The X Files is not going to get that either, because they're getting 410 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.000 a warmed over substitute. You end up. I mean, I tell you, 411 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.160 I feel Frank Spotts's pain. I listen to that interview and I'm like, 412 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.559 yeah, you know, he had an original idea that's like, well, 413 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.440 maybe this is a way you really can can serve as the character and 414 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.359 the fans of the old show, but updated a little bit. And I 415 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.839 think ABC was just like, no, your X Files guy, just give 416 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:37.039 us, Please bring your X Files compatriots in with you to write this episode. 417 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.240 Vince Gilligan is credited as a writer in this episode, and we all 418 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.519 know Vince Gilligan is a good writer. It's it's a disappointment. And look, 419 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:49.920 I know you go on the cold Check Facebook pages or anywhere where they 420 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:57.039 talk about the show, and this show gets piled upon constantly, almost I 421 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:01.039 wouldn't say unnecessarily because some of it is deserved, but this show gets piled 422 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.759 upon and some of it is deserved. But at the same time, a 423 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.480 lot of those folks didn't even watch it. We watched it. We watched 424 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:15.000 it like we watched Suffer for our suffer my children. But it's it's not 425 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:22.200 that bad. It's really not It's just not much of anything. To be 426 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.039 perfectly honest, I will say one thing, and I'd love to hear your 427 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.119 opinions on this, though. I thought the look of the show was really 428 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.160 ugly, Like I just thought, what is going on? It's like super 429 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:42.359 like really brightly lit and then also extremely dark, Like it was almost physically 430 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.720 uncomfortable to watch, just in terms of like I mean, the X Files 431 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:51.119 was a beautiful show. I even liked the look of the original Nightstocker TV 432 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.160 show. This was kind of unpleasant to look at. And I think, 433 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.279 I mean, I'm gonna say maybe that was because they just they wanted it 434 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.440 to be jarring and jagged and handheld, and but I didn't love to look 435 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.960 at the show. What about you, guys, I can totally see what 436 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.760 you're saying. As far as I mean, this episode in particular was very 437 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:20.440 very stark, and the lighting in Paul's place was really harsh. I kind 438 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.320 of thought that worked in service of it. But as far as the stuff 439 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.320 outside of Paul's place, and I don't mean outside of his actual house, 440 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.880 but I'm talking about like the world at large. Yeah, it looks like 441 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.119 warmed over garbage. And here's the other thing about this show, right, 442 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.639 I mean we have to talk about when this show came out. Show came 443 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.440 out in two thousand and six. And look, Richard, I mean you 444 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.400 mentioned The X Files, and The Xiles is a beautiful show until it went 445 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.840 to LA and left Vancouver, and once it left Vancouver, the X Files 446 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:55.920 became similarly drabbed to this show. And this show. It feels like if 447 00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.800 you showed the show to someone and asked them when do you think this came 448 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.280 out? I think someone would be able to put it within a couple of 449 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.760 years of when the show aired, because it has that mid two thousands original 450 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.199 CSI feel to it. You know what, Yes, that's what it looks 451 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.039 like. It looks like CSI like shitty CSI. Yeah, And yeah, 452 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.239 camera movement for no reason, just to you know, keep things interesting quote 453 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.679 unquote. I honestly try to consciously remind myself watching this episode. I'm like, 454 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.119 well, don't compare it to the original, because obviously it is not 455 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:36.280 that. But what if you just were changing channels and landed on this show. 456 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.320 What would you get from it? And I think that's when I arrived 457 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.679 at that place of Wow, this is just pretty grim. This is just 458 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.679 like really unpleasant. You know, poor Reggie Lee, who by the way, 459 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.320 was on Grim when I worked on Grim. So I was like, 460 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.760 oh my god, there's Reggie you know ten, you know, five years 461 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.519 before, seven years before Grim. Look, he got work. So I 462 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.559 was so happy to see him and so disturbed to literally watch him bleed out 463 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.639 right in front of America. It's like, oh fuck, and then turn 464 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.880 into a monster. Maybe to your point from earlier, Richard, that is 465 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:20.840 where he comes out and is trying to implicate that Paul murdered Colcheck's wife. 466 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.039 So you were absolutely right, there is that moment in there of the implication. 467 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.760 But yeah, Colcheck never seems to go off. Yeah right, Okay. 468 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.519 I thought it was crazy. He's like he came back with blood on 469 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.840 him and he yeah, okay. And what it seems like is that the 470 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.800 old man or whatever this creature is that has been tormenting Paul, like we 471 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.719 all like we're initially we're supposed to think, oh, it's all about his 472 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.920 head and then we think, oh, well, maybe there's a creature. 473 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.159 And then we think again, okay, maybe it's in his head. And 474 00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:00.320 then when Kim comes out and he's like, yeah, it's all you know, 475 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.000 he tried to kill your wife or blah blah blah, then it's like, 476 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.639 okay, now he's is that really him? Is that something else? 477 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:13.360 What's going on? Is he trying to use colcheck in order to get him 478 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.119 to murder Paul? And basically yeah, that's how it goes, because then 479 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.880 Parry shows up. And when Perry shows up, I was just like, 480 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.599 well, that's really weird. How did she know where colcheck was? And 481 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.760 then she gives this excuse of oh I traced a call, and it's like 482 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.000 okay, But then when she comes into the apartment or into the house, 483 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.800 I'm just like, what the fuck are you doing? Get the fuck out 484 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.760 of there. And they're talking so loud in that front room. I'm like, 485 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.400 what are you doing? I thought the exact same thing. I'm like, 486 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.559 what is going on? And not only that, but why is he 487 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.840 not saying why is he not crazed? Why is he not like there is 488 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.239 a man in the next room who murdered my wife? I have found a 489 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.079 man who killed my wife and I'm going to go kill him and Perry's like, 490 00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.360 no, no, don't do it. Like I was expecting some of 491 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.239 that. Then I'm like, well, maybe I misheard it. Maybe I 492 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:06.800 was just making that up thinking that's what I wish was happening. It was 493 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:12.480 confusing. That's Stewart Townsend. You cannot get a rise out of Stewart Townsend. 494 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.960 He was if he was ever invested in this show, he was definitely 495 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.440 not. By this point. I've never seen him even raise his voice. 496 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.320 You know, he's just the deadest and yeah picked up. It was funny 497 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.960 at the end when when he grabbed him and he did the rigs line from 498 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.159 a lethal weapon, He's like, you think you're all man down there, 499 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.280 let's go see him together. That's the only time I've seen him emotional in 500 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.519 this whole thing. So I was just like, wow, that's very surprising. 501 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.960 So I think maybe that also helped kind of, you know, push 502 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.280 the needle up a little bit for me. And when it came to this 503 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:49.760 episode, like oh oh shit, he's actually emotional, he's actually going to 504 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.159 do something. He's defending Perry. Wow, this is this is fantastic and 505 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.760 he manages to murder this guy. Yeah, it doesn't. And that is 506 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.760 what you want. I mean, look, you you want this guy to 507 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.480 be killed. Yeah, there's no part of it. It's just well, 508 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.840 no, just arrest him. I mean, it was very satisfying, horribly 509 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:13.559 enough to watch Cole Shack, you know, do what you think is throwing 510 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:21.960 him to the lions essentially right, and and yet still unclear how that guy 511 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:28.000 then ultimately died unless he just hit the wall really hard, and and and 512 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.559 then unclear how we're supposed to feel about Coleshack, his wife's murder, and 513 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.000 his relationship with Perry and his hallucination. So a lot of things kind of 514 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.280 left on the table, which I don't know. Maybe the next maybe those 515 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:46.480 two scripts, uh you know, or the the reconfigured one will explain what 516 00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.400 do you think I'm not hold my breath. Yeah, I wouldn't hold your 517 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:59.440 breath because the likelihood is you're not going to get a satisfying conclusion, which 518 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:04.239 I they concluded it right as far as what with this episode, No, 519 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.280 the other episode like the one words like to the Sea or two parter right 520 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.119 in the middle of the season, which again it's like what the fuck are 521 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.760 you guys doing? I thought that they had already wrapped that up. Yeah, 522 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:20.159 the Source Part one in part two, episode six and seven wraps what 523 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.440 story up. They pretty much tried to so we had a little bit of 524 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:29.559 that mythology the whole like he's got this weird mark on his wrist, and 525 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.119 so did his wife, and so did these other people, YadA YadA, 526 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.800 And they bring that up in the first episode, I think a little in 527 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.800 the second, more in the third, maybe in the fourth they just kind 528 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.920 of throw it on, and then the episode six and seven they really go 529 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:52.400 all in on mythology, and then after that we don't hear about it really. 530 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.440 I think there was a mention of it what in nine Chris. It 531 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.000 seemed like there was just a real quick throwaway kind of thing. But yeah, 532 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.719 they pretty much they didn't wrap up the mythology, but they just were 533 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.519 like, here's some mythology. Now we're going to go away from it, 534 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.639 and now we're back to Monster of the Week. The mythology, I mean, 535 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.599 look in the X Files, it's there until it's not, and then 536 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.400 but it always feels like it's still underneath everything in this show. It's almost 537 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.199 like they forgot about it, Like you said, like, did they ever 538 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:23.920 help anyone in this show? Like does he ever? Like in The X 539 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:30.320 Files, they ultimately were kind of theoretically helping people like Okay, well we've 540 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.360 solved the weird murders in this town, you know, so you kind of 541 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.599 were they were called into a case and then they solved it. I mean, 542 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.079 does it ever feel like they were doing it on this show? Was 543 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.920 that ever like a structure of an episode? Thanks fack, you help something? 544 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.280 Gosh? Usually they were like a daily and then Dallas short when it 545 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.079 came to so many of these cases. I think they helped apprehend some people, 546 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.800 like I'm thinking of burning Man, which was a very generic CSI of 547 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.760 yeah, and like the five people you meet in Hell, like, but 548 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.280 you never get that warm, fuzzy feeling of like this person's going to go 549 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.920 off and live a wonderful life now that these people have solved this mystery, 550 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.239 right right, I mean, at least in the old Colfax show, it 551 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.960 was never warm and fuzzy, but you're at least like, wow, okay, 552 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.360 so, I mean I guess you know, the Moss Monster is not 553 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:27.599 going to kill anyone more that one's done with. Yeah, and the other 554 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.280 problem, you know, I kind of misspoke when I said, you know, 555 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.760 Monster the Week, because that was the thing with this show was there's 556 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.840 no monsters, you know, in this episode is typical of that as far 557 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:44.840 as you know, I think Timeless was the last time we saw a really 558 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.119 like a halfway decent monster, and that was just basically a rip off of 559 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.159 the night Strangler again, where it was just like, oh, this person 560 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:57.119 comes out every thirty five years and needs to feed. So it's like, 561 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.119 okay, great, we've seen that. You know, Jeepers, creepers, 562 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.360 yeah, Victor Toombs, yeah, oh yeah, almost like a show that 563 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.159 did it better exactly. Again, I think at the end of the day 564 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.079 with this show, the thing that I really come away from this show with 565 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.280 is a just general feeling of I want to watch The X Files. I 566 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.119 essentially watch an episode of The X Files every time I watched an episode of 567 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.840 this to kind of remind myself of what this could have been. And then 568 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:30.320 I realized that ultimately at the end of the day, we kind of, 569 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.599 in my mind, should have silenced some of the people that were like, 570 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:40.039 this is fucking garbage. It's not really it's just just watch the original show, 571 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:46.239 because it is the original show is better. But also the other thing 572 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.880 is, do not pretend that the original show is perfect, because if you're 573 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.199 going to say how bad this show is, you also kind of have to 574 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.039 grapple with the fact that the original show has a lot of nostalgia baked into 575 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.480 it, and a lot of people are unwilling too. They're just like, 576 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.159 well, the original show is great and the new show is garbage. They're 577 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.079 still sounding chamber. Everyone agree with me. Yes, yes, yes, 578 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.760 yes, that's kind of what it feels like. Yeah, I totally agree. 579 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.440 But I will say that I think part of that ceiling is engendered by 580 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:27.199 the fact that the original show traded so much on charm and humor and just 581 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:32.000 the charm of Darren McGavin, so that it's easy to remember it fondly, 582 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.760 you know, because it's like someone it's like, oh, that was my 583 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.559 favorite uncle, and then this was like a really scary substitute teacher who wants 584 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.679 to murder you. Oh no, I completely agree. I mean the thing 585 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.920 about the original show that is why it was so successful is because Darren McGavin 586 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.800 is so charismatic. Look at why Supernatural has been on the air for thirteen 587 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.639 seasons. Look at why The X Files has had two reboots. It's because 588 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.679 you have people in the roles that matter, that are charismatic, that people 589 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.039 can get behind, that people care about and like. Look at shows like 590 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.639 I Don't Know Anything, Jesus Christ, Stranger Things, any show that people 591 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.679 watch, they like the characters because the people in the roles are charismatic and 592 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.519 good at what they do. I'm not saying Stewart Town's in as bad as 593 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.400 what he had, what he does, or Gabriel Union. I'm just saying 594 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.840 they aren't in this show, and that's a bummer because it could have been 595 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.840 like the original show. They could have really played up the charismatic nature of 596 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.079 Cold Check as opposed to making him, like you said, Richard, mister 597 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.920 dark and gloomy all the time. Well yeah, and this is you know, 598 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.519 obviously me arguing my taste. But when you hang your hat on dark, 599 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.679 existential nealism and horror, I mean, I actually think that's a pretty 600 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.679 you know, that's a pretty narrow target to hit. And then even when 601 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:01.559 you hit it dead on, what you've achieved is pretty cold, which is 602 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.800 a flavor. And that's you know, you don't. Not everything has to 603 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.639 be you know, aspirational and life affirming. But that's a that's a hard 604 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.960 thing to hit over and over and over again and feel like you're you're adding 605 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.400 up to something because I think instinctually people are watching a TV show looking for 606 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.960 a long term storytelling and and A and A part of that long term storytelling 607 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:30.320 being the development of relationships that you get caught up in and have a stake 608 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.519 in those relationships succeeding. And that's what gives you tension. Oh no, 609 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.360 that these people might break up or they might die or whatever. You and 610 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:44.800 that's easier to achieve in a way. So I think another thing you had 611 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.880 with this show is is the result of the studio wants one thing, that 612 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.440 network wants another thing, that people actually doing the show want another thing, 613 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.760 and then none of those things get achieved. And what you're watching is what 614 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.679 is the levers? You know, what got left behind, the stuff that 615 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.639 was so unobjectionable or that no one you just had the energy to fight. 616 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.360 Okay, here's what's left. And we've all seen shows like that, and 617 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.119 I think this is one of them, and it's it's like no one's fault 618 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.920 because the studio didn't want to ruin this show. They wanted a hit so 619 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.239 to the network, so they all thought they were doing the right thing. 620 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:31.280 Yeah, it's that old what success has many fathers and failure has none? 621 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.199 Or how's that go? You know what? I'd like to point out that 622 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.800 I was actually the one who gave Jason Vorhees his mask set eight different people 623 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.840 in the documentary about the series. But yet, but yet, no one 624 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:51.119 will claim responsibility for Jason Takes Manhattan being filmed in Vancouver. So yeah, 625 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.440 it's that same shit. It's like you said, no one wants to take 626 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.519 responsibility for this show being a failure. And I'm not blaming Frank Spotnitz, 627 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.960 but someone should shoulder some of the blame other than just saying it's the studios 628 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.519 invisible men on the other side of an invisible mirror or like a two like 629 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.960 a one way mirror. You know, it's it's at that end. Look, 630 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.440 I mean, Richard, you work, you work in the industry, 631 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.960 so you know that it's a convenient thing to blame. And honestly, a 632 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.280 lot of people probably blame it for their own inadequacy's been being able to craft 633 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.320 a worthwhile story to tell. What none of us have spent five minutes doing 634 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:29.039 on this show is talking about what a shit writer Jim Skill again is because 635 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.679 you know he isn't He did good work before this, he did good work 636 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.079 after it, So that's part of what you factor in. And again it's 637 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.760 personal taste. But it's like, all right, well, you know Frank 638 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.320 Spott, and it's did some good work before this, he did some good 639 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:45.400 work after this. So we're going to assume he might not have been the 640 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:52.440 number one reason that this was not successful, either financially, ratings wise, 641 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.679 or even creatively. And I think obviously he kind of admitted it. He 642 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.559 would be like, look, this was not what I've wanted. So in 643 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.320 a way he's saying, you know, my aspirations were high, and this 644 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.679 time we didn't get it. I've been a part of a lot of those. 645 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.320 Well the thing is, I mean, like we could even tide us 646 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.760 into something that Mike, you and I talk about on another podcast, the 647 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.360 twilight Zone nineteen eighty five, and we did those bonuses about the twenty nineteen 648 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.280 Twilight Zone. You have Glen Morgan on there, who wrote for the X 649 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.880 Files. He wrote a lot of really great X Files episodes, and then 650 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:34.239 he goes on and writes some terrible Twilight Zone twenty nineteen episodes. And again 651 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.960 we know he's a good writer, we've seen him write other things. Well, 652 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.400 it's just these weird missteps in this show. It just seems to be 653 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:49.000 misstep after misstep after misstep. There's never a time where there was a slowing 654 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.679 of momentum with the missteps. It seems that the missteps just continued and never 655 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.639 stopped. They picked up. The same thing happens to who I feel is 656 00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.599 you know, probably one of the great this writers of the twenty first century, 657 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.519 which is Max Landis. You know, he constantly is getting undermined by 658 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:09.239 the studio. Yeah, and sexually sexually assaulting women as well. But hey, 659 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.679 you know what, no big deal, It's okay. On a podcast 660 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.880 I recorded yesterday, I got to called Brian Singer child rapists. So we're 661 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.320 just keeping with the theme of let's just burn it all down, light it 662 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.679 on fire, and watch it burn. Wow. Wow, full circle. 663 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:29.079 Richard had him not on this episode, by the way, he wants to 664 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.679 still work in Hollywood when we're Chris and Mike, on the other hand, 665 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.039 never going to work in Hollywood. You know it is someone someone has been 666 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.880 calling around impersonating me on podcasts. So maybe this will turn out to be 667 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:45.079 one of those I will say at the trial and and and maybe helicopter would 668 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.440 land on you. Oh god, all the charges will be dropped mysteriously, 669 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.679 just like in the Kevin Spacey trial exactly. Oh Jesus, oh my god. 670 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:58.559 Non depressed. I'm more depressed than I was watching What's the frequency called 671 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:02.400 back? So since this is our last and I know that we're going to 672 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:07.920 talk again about the scripts and the X Files episode, but I want because 673 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.559 I've already kind of given mine, I want to know what you're kind of 674 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:19.039 parting post mortem. Final thought, Jerry Springer's style is on Night Stalker two. 675 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.679 First off, it was not live kid, so the test came back. 676 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.039 I'm happy about that, But that's Maury not okay what she want him 677 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:35.000 and his chicken chechny. So two thousand and five Cold Check is not as 678 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.880 bad as people make it out to be, but it's not good. And 679 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:44.440 of all the episodes, I still stand by this being the best standalone episode 680 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.639 I would I would be inclined to agree with you. Wow, I feel 681 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:52.000 lucky that it's the only one I watched. Yeah, and be good to 682 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:58.400 each other. Now, Okay, maybe a little too little, too on 683 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.880 the nose. Let's get onto the important stuff. When do I get to 684 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.920 come back and talk about Darren mccavin and one of those episodes you get to 685 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.079 come back next month when we're back to the original run of Colchak from nineteen 686 00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.320 seventy four, we're gonna be talking about what is it? The Nightly Murders. 687 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.960 So I'm very excited to have you back and it will be great. 688 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.000 So until then, Richard, what's been keeping you busy lately? Season two 689 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:30.119 of Titans? We are halfway through filming, we're breaking the last handful of 690 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.840 episodes, and we're ready to come back at you. I believe in September 691 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:42.320 on DCU Universe subscription only in the United States, and it's on Netflix everywhere 692 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:46.719 else Canada and beyond. So, yeah, Titans is taken up my days. 693 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:52.039 And let's not forget your show was not canceled after one season. Unfortunately 694 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.719 for one show. Geez, what the hell was I'm going to find out 695 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:02.920 what happened because I think there is a story we're not hearing. No one 696 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.880 well, come on, I mean, how you premiere a show and then 697 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:14.280 you announced that you've canceled it before the other episodes of like on what planet 698 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.079 does that help you as a network? The planet of DC, the DC 699 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:24.320 Universe planet is bizarre, it's weird, it's weird. It got great reviews. 700 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:28.480 I heard it, it looked great, and then I heard it was 701 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.840 canceled. So there you go, all kind of in the same day. 702 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.679 Yeah, pretty much, anyway, That's what I'm doing. And uh, 703 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.119 yeah, do Patrol doing well? Though? So there you go, and 704 00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.400 your your show seems to be doing well. Tigans is doing well, I 705 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.000 mean in a weird way. It might be, you know, one of 706 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.400 the one of the more talked about shows I've ever worked on, considering that, 707 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.400 you know, you can only watch it if you pay for it, 708 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.840 and even then it only shows up like on your miwave oven or something. 709 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.960 God damn this guy. He's got his own shovel and is burying his own 710 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.239 show. What's going on here? I can watch it on my t I 711 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.440 eighty three. Right, It's a great show if you can manage to see 712 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.079 it. But people just seem to be liking it, so yeah, and 713 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.719 uh, and second season. This is no secret. We meet and I 714 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:23.000 wrote the episode super Boy and Crypto nice. So yeah, I get ready 715 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:30.000 for some boy dog action Boy. I'm gonna be watching a video about that 716 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.199 later tonight. So I think that's a special Tablets still on the air, 717 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.960 You're talking about an American hero and Chris. What is keeping you busy these 718 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.760 days, sir? Everything and nothing. At the same time, I'm doing 719 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.199 a little podcast called the Culture Cast where you can find me talking about movies 720 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.440 with some friends of mine. Mike's on there. I need a Richard on 721 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:52.880 there at some point. I think I think it would be beneficial. Maybe 722 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.639 have him watch something good for once. I don't know, so he So 723 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.639 Richard doesn't think that I hate you're coming with us and watching Culture. I'm 724 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.440 dragging a mean one. I think we all agree on that. Man. 725 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.920 Yeah, there is a good Cop Bad Cop five on the show. There 726 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:14.559 is, and I prefer I don't prefer bad cop. I prefer good cop, 727 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:20.000 kinky cop. So my my handcuffs have feathers on them. They're like 728 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.159 fur line. But now you can find me on the Culture Cast. Mike 729 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.360 and I also do another podcast with our friend father Malone, where we talk 730 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.079 about twilight Zone nineteen eighty five. That is Dreams for Sale. You can 731 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:35.960 find that at twilight Zone eighty five dot com. And then I do a 732 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:38.480 little Tales from the Crypt podcast called Chronicles from the Crypt, and that is 733 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:45.079 over at Chronicles FTC dot com. Where can people find you, Mike when 734 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.920 you're not here? I do a podcast called The Projection Booth, which you 735 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.960 can find out Projection Booth podcast dot com. And every once in a while 736 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.119 I let Chris on the show, though I always wonder why, And don't 737 00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.760 forget guys, just so all your original col checks are aware. Two thousand 738 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:07.000 and five is done. That works for me. If you look into the 739 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:15.119 darkness long enough your eyes adjust, can you start to see that there are 740 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:23.119 evils in the dark. But in scene you learn a terrible truth that you 741 00:56:23.159 --> 00:57:00.400 have not found these evils at all, but rather they have found you. 742 00:56:51.400 --> 00:57:43.519 Try not to scream any stream times and the scream and you stand start music. 743 00:57:51.239 --> 00:58:07.719 But you said, trying to discuss slid comet to you said the suns 744 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:59.199 of you. You are saying, what's the thing that you can unders to 745 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:54.199 tell to sad was the shows? You are saying, stop. You can 746 00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:15.599 understand it said, I can understand, you can stand. I can't understand. 747 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:19.239 I'm gonna understand.